The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - YOU SERVED, TAXES WAIVED Ft. Violet Chachki and Gottmik

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00:00:59.960 I was doing my solo show in Italy at, like, this gorgeous theater, and the Italian mafia showed up with guns.

00:01:07.900 You're like, I'm in a corset.

00:01:09.360 No, literally, I was like, zip my dress up. I heard about it. I was like, zip my dress up. Where are they? What are they going to do? They're going to shoot me?

00:01:14.100 Probably. 0.86

00:01:15.100 Literally, yeah.

00:01:16.760 Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring me, your favorite.

00:01:26.780 Everybody knows me. Nobody cares about me anymore.

00:01:29.120 The way that my audience is getting more and more like, okay, enough, onto the guests.

00:01:34.060 And speaking of guests, today, we have two icons, two living legends, two famous drag superstars, the one and only Gottmik and Violet Tchotchke.

00:01:42.660 Woo! 0.99

00:01:43.260 Woo! 0.99

00:01:44.800 Y'all sauce.

00:01:45.520 Hey, go ahead.

00:01:46.340 Hello.

00:01:47.360 Hey, thank you for having us.

00:01:48.640 Oh, my gosh. It's an honor.

00:01:49.840 Welcome to the show.

00:01:51.280 Thank you so much.

00:01:52.100 This show is slowly but surely becoming all of my favorite drag queens literally ever. 0.97

00:01:57.460 Perfect.

00:01:57.860 I have had so many drag queens, and I will continue to have them. 1.00

00:02:01.340 Good. You are a drag queen. 1.00

00:02:02.600 Period.

00:02:03.100 Yes.

00:02:03.540 I know, like, period.

00:02:04.520 Wait, you're not?

00:02:05.600 I'm in drag currently.

00:02:07.460 That's what you're asking.

00:02:08.820 Currently, I'm in drag.

00:02:09.460 You look stunning.

00:02:10.540 Thank you so much.

00:02:11.840 It's an honor to have both of you.

00:02:13.620 It's an honor to be here.

00:02:15.560 Thank you.

00:02:15.740 How are y'all doing?

00:02:16.640 How's life?

00:02:17.700 Busy bees?

00:02:18.480 Yeah, we're busy.

00:02:19.440 Honey, we're doing it.

00:02:21.020 I just, I've got my cup of joe.

00:02:23.020 I'm waking up.

00:02:24.140 I'm ready for the day.

00:02:25.280 You're having an actual coffee, like an actual cup of joe.

00:02:27.260 Truly.

00:02:27.820 We were, when we were talking before the show, I was saying how y'all work, like, at least

00:02:32.260 11 months out of the year.

00:02:33.620 Yeah.

00:02:34.180 Everyone thinks they want to be a drag superstar. 0.66

00:02:36.220 Good luck.

00:02:37.240 Do you have what it takes?

00:02:39.340 Girl.

00:02:39.640 Do we have what it takes?

00:02:41.920 It's an ever.

00:02:42.840 I ask myself that every day.

00:02:44.000 It's an ever evolving.

00:02:45.380 Every day you're just a little less sure.

00:02:47.080 Yes.

00:02:47.700 100%.

00:02:48.100 Gluing on my wig with wine tea here.

00:02:50.420 I know.

00:02:50.840 We just passed Halloween.

00:02:52.820 Halloween's probably an exhausting month for drag, I'm assuming.

00:02:56.620 Yes.

00:02:57.020 I still wake up in night terrors on Halloween.

00:03:00.300 What's more exhausting, Pride Month or Halloween?

00:03:02.780 I think I'm going to say, because I enjoy Halloween thoroughly.

00:03:05.460 Yeah.

00:03:05.720 I like candy.

00:03:06.740 I like pumpkin flavored things.

00:03:08.440 I like outfits.

00:03:10.060 Period.

00:03:11.220 Pride is like, I think, more draining just because you have to be like.

00:03:14.080 What does pride mean to you?

00:03:15.460 Yeah.

00:03:15.780 That question.

00:03:16.760 What does pride mean to you?

00:03:18.900 Every day.

00:03:19.360 And I'm like, honey, a paycheck.

00:03:21.340 What do you mean?

00:03:22.800 I'm going to collect a check.

00:03:24.060 Yeah.

00:03:24.540 You know why I'm here, girl.

00:03:25.600 You know why I'm here.

00:03:26.760 Yeah.

00:03:27.120 Let's turn on the tears and get the checks to flow it.

00:03:29.960 I was going to say.

00:03:31.400 Yeah.

00:03:31.600 Trixie told me like June is just like the month where she's like, whoo.

00:03:35.920 Yeah.

00:03:36.040 Like we're gearing up every April to May.

00:03:38.280 You're like, oh.

00:03:39.320 Truly.

00:03:39.960 Yeah.

00:03:40.080 You know the whole year is gearing up.

00:03:41.680 Truly.

00:03:42.040 I'm like, they're doing pride campaigns now probably.

00:03:44.000 I got to get on it.

00:03:44.800 I'm like, oh God.

00:03:45.760 You just reminded me.

00:03:46.940 They start so early.

00:03:47.640 They start in November now.

00:03:49.160 They start booking y'all up early, girl.

00:03:51.360 Yes, girl.

00:03:51.820 Yeah, it's crazy.

00:03:52.580 So y'all are very famous drag superstars.

00:03:55.580 You have a podcast.

00:03:56.940 Yes.

00:03:57.440 No gorge.

00:03:57.560 We have a published author, period.

00:04:00.760 I love it.

00:04:01.180 So exciting.

00:04:01.880 So many irons in the fire.

00:04:04.000 Right.

00:04:04.500 How long have y'all been doing drag?

00:04:05.880 Oh my gosh.

00:04:07.220 I don't.

00:04:08.440 How old am I now?

00:04:10.700 Time moves so differently in this industry.

00:04:14.140 I feel like we're living like dog years.

00:04:15.820 Like every one is seven.

00:04:17.640 Truly.

00:04:17.920 It's crazy.

00:04:18.780 It's insane.

00:04:19.500 Like it's holiday season now.

00:04:21.600 We're like, how did that happen?

00:04:22.820 I know.

00:04:23.300 No, this year flew by and it keeps flying by.

00:04:25.680 I'm like an old queen at this point.

00:04:28.400 Yeah, aging rapidly.

00:04:29.120 I'm aging rapidly.

00:04:30.380 I'm unhappy about it.

00:04:31.460 We actually did an episode on our podcast about aging rapidly.

00:04:34.640 Just a whole episode dedicated to it because we were like, this is a lot, a lot to talk about.

00:04:38.100 Well, I used to be the youngest one.

00:04:41.060 I was always like going partying with college people when I was in high school.

00:04:46.320 And I was always just like above everything.

00:04:48.640 And now the Gen Zers, I'm just like. 1.00

00:04:51.440 They're beating my ass, girl. 1.00

00:04:53.180 They beat my ass, girl. 1.00

00:04:54.040 They're beating our asses, bitch. 1.00

00:04:56.080 We've been putting SpongeBob memes in our videos like we always do. 1.00

00:04:59.860 Like in my brain, SpongeBob is like an eternal reference.

00:05:02.660 Like it's not.

00:05:03.760 They'll be like, cool it, boomer.

00:05:05.580 Yeah.

00:05:06.900 They're like, enough with the SpongeBob.

00:05:08.380 Get back to the home.

00:05:09.100 Yeah.

00:05:09.320 Like they're so like, I know they're so mean to me.

00:05:12.680 Sometimes I say things and they're like, OK, old man.

00:05:15.540 Yeah, literally.

00:05:16.740 I know.

00:05:17.060 When I had Conti on the show, I posted a clip where I was like, sometimes people think I'm young, like 19, 20, which is like not a lie.

00:05:25.360 I obviously when I'm in drag, I don't look like that.

00:05:27.580 But and the amount of comments I got where they were like, you don't look 20. 0.99

00:05:33.380 I was like, OK, bitch, first of all, humble yourself. 1.00

00:05:35.800 First of all, shut up. 1.00

00:05:38.260 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:38.700 Fucking rude. 1.00

00:05:39.760 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:40.180 Rude.

00:05:40.620 Second of all, what did I ever do to you?

00:05:42.320 Third of all, yeah, I do.

00:05:44.440 And?

00:05:45.100 And you're wrong.

00:05:47.780 So y'all have been in the drag world for a minute.

00:05:50.560 Hot minute.

00:05:51.100 I've been doing drag forever.

00:05:54.200 Yeah.

00:05:55.740 Forever.

00:05:56.060 Forever, I first went out in drag when I was 17, which would be 20.

00:05:59.440 That's crazy.

00:06:01.080 2009.

00:06:02.100 You can't even say 2009.

00:06:04.620 That's how long I've been doing drag.

00:06:06.680 You don't even remember anymore.

00:06:08.020 2009 is the first time I ever went out in drag in public.

00:06:10.440 I don't even want to do math, but I think I was like 19.

00:06:13.580 When you first started.

00:06:14.460 Yeah.

00:06:14.900 And then I've been doing drag seriously for maybe like three years now.

00:06:19.000 Yeah.

00:06:19.520 I know.

00:06:19.800 That's crazy.

00:06:20.880 I gotta take a sip.

00:06:21.660 I know.

00:06:22.300 What like kind of drew y'all to the art form just like individually?

00:06:27.620 I love drag so much because it was just like every form of art that I've ever been obsessed

00:06:32.420 with all compacted into one.

00:06:34.460 I was like, I could be a chef.

00:06:35.820 I could be a seamstress.

00:06:37.020 I could do whatever I want today.

00:06:38.440 It's so fun.

00:06:39.020 As long as I'm wearing a wig.

00:06:39.980 And I love that.

00:06:43.760 It's just, yeah.

00:06:44.380 If I wanted to go off in any career path, I'm like, wow, as long as I got my like poked

00:06:48.880 and prodded corset and wig, I'm ready to go and do it.

00:06:51.740 And I love that.

00:06:52.240 And a white face girl.

00:06:53.240 Oh, yeah.

00:06:56.040 What about you, Violet?

00:06:57.420 I mean, I think I subconsciously, my body like needed drag as like almost like a form

00:07:04.100 of therapy.

00:07:04.760 I'm always very rebellious.

00:07:05.960 And I went to Catholic school, so it was like very like uniforms and like gendered 1.00

00:07:10.520 and like, this is the boy uniform.

00:07:11.880 This is the girl uniform.

00:07:13.020 And like, I like remember very vividly in Catholic school and like we got our first communion,

00:07:17.840 body of Christ.

00:07:19.320 The girls got to pick out like stunning dresses and I couldn't.

00:07:23.120 And I was so jealous.

00:07:24.680 Yeah.

00:07:25.140 And so for me, drag was like always the thing like, no, no, no, you can't do that.

00:07:29.580 And of course, if you tell me, I'm not going to do something like, I'm going to do that

00:07:33.660 thing specifically in spite.

00:07:36.480 I feel like I've lived my life out of spite just in general. 0.97

00:07:39.040 You went from Catholic uniform, corseted to hell. 1.00

00:07:41.720 To fucking fetish. 1.00

00:07:42.580 Hard left. 1.00

00:07:43.340 Yeah.

00:07:43.860 Fetish demon angel goddess vibes. 0.96

00:07:47.960 So her drag started because she couldn't wear a communion dress.

00:07:51.660 That's my root, honestly.

00:07:52.960 If I'm being honest, like I was jealous of the girls in second grade who got to pick 1.00

00:07:56.240 out their first communion dresses.

00:07:57.480 Whatever gets you there.

00:07:58.560 And here I am.

00:07:59.380 I love a communion dress, girl.

00:08:00.820 I mean, I don't remember my communion dress.

00:08:04.260 So I'm glad it impacted you.

00:08:06.900 I'm glad there was a gay boy out there that was looking at my dress. 0.76

00:08:10.300 There definitely was a gay boy in your class like, I guess I'll put the khakis on. 1.00

00:08:16.100 Okay.

00:08:16.600 So I always ask every drag superstar I've had, I've always asked about drag race, obviously,

00:08:22.020 because that's where most people know y'all from.

00:08:24.080 But what was it like living?

00:08:26.060 Because I know when they describe it to me, they're like hell on earth, hell, awful hell.

00:08:29.940 But grateful for the life after.

00:08:31.940 Would I do it again?

00:08:32.660 Never.

00:08:33.280 So how do y'all feel about it?

00:08:35.100 I mean, it was literally, I feel like I was in the Olympics.

00:08:38.600 Truly, it's so hard.

00:08:39.780 I couldn't even get hard.

00:08:41.100 I was like, DeVoy, I felt like a eunuch.

00:08:43.900 I was like, I'm in the game.

00:08:46.800 Like, I can't think about anything besides like the strategy and like, how am I going

00:08:50.180 to learn the lip sync song?

00:08:51.080 And what am I going to do next?

00:08:51.840 And like, they put you in this like literal pressure cooker.

00:08:54.660 There's like no distractions, no phones, no nothing.

00:08:58.340 And I'm like such a competitive person, too, that I was like, and it's like, I think one

00:09:03.380 of the only reality shows that you can truly get a career from still.

00:09:08.160 Like, there's a few out there.

00:09:10.340 But like, if you do well on drag race, like you have a full blown career.

00:09:14.580 Yeah.

00:09:14.920 And do well in many different ways.

00:09:16.320 Like, not always just win.

00:09:17.800 It's also like, you know, be like a crowd fave.

00:09:20.860 And go on and keep.

00:09:22.000 Thank you for that, Drew.

00:09:25.300 It's true, though. 0.82

00:09:26.740 I don't know if that's true.

00:09:28.060 Katya's a good example.

00:09:29.240 Katya didn't win. 0.99

00:09:30.200 Me either.

00:09:30.900 Well, she was on the season.

00:09:31.520 Yeah, that's what I know.

00:09:32.660 That's what I'm saying.

00:09:33.400 It's like, it's all relative.

00:09:35.220 It really just depends on personality.

00:09:37.100 Yeah.

00:09:37.500 You know what I mean?

00:09:37.660 I had the best time ever on drag race.

00:09:39.540 Like, it was just gorgeous.

00:09:41.440 I literally thought I was in like life summer camp.

00:09:44.200 It was like boot camp.

00:09:45.080 I was like every day, like learning a new thing about me and my life.

00:09:47.740 I was like, okay.

00:09:48.480 I literally cannot imagine.

00:09:50.080 It's so fun.

00:09:51.020 Y'all wear so many hats.

00:09:52.060 And like, room being your like spiritual guide is like fierce.

00:09:55.080 Like.

00:09:55.580 Can only imagine.

00:09:56.640 Yeah.

00:09:56.940 I was obsessed.

00:09:57.800 We had completely different experiences.

00:09:59.580 We were obsessed.

00:10:00.140 We had completely.

00:10:00.920 I was anxiety station every day.

00:10:03.820 Yeah.

00:10:04.000 And I woke up with like birds lifting my comfort.

00:10:06.300 I'm like, so I'm ready to get dragged.

00:10:09.440 What are you guys' signs?

00:10:11.020 I'm a Leo.

00:10:11.840 I'm a Gemini.

00:10:12.900 What are you?

00:10:13.800 T.

00:10:14.040 I'm a Virgo.

00:10:15.040 That's why I'm so mean. 1.00

00:10:16.540 I'm a mean bitch. 1.00

00:10:17.700 I don't have an excuse, so. 1.00

00:10:19.080 I just do it for fun.

00:10:20.660 I blame mine on that.

00:10:22.140 Perfect.

00:10:22.680 Being a Virgo.

00:10:23.460 Are you organized?

00:10:24.980 Yeah.

00:10:25.460 I'm very like planner.

00:10:27.680 I love that.

00:10:28.180 I plan extensively.

00:10:29.580 Maybe I need a date of Virgo.

00:10:31.220 Like an organized.

00:10:32.160 You should.

00:10:32.660 You should date a Virgo.

00:10:33.260 Sounds great to me.

00:10:34.580 Yeah.

00:10:35.000 I think a Virgo, especially with like when it comes to like going out.

00:10:39.040 Like I'm always mom.

00:10:40.160 I'm the mom friend.

00:10:41.260 I might need a Virgo.

00:10:42.320 I keep everybody alive.

00:10:44.860 Like that's my job.

00:10:45.720 And I'm the one rushing everyone off the cliff and making the mess.

00:10:49.820 You need at least one Virgo.

00:10:51.560 Right.

00:10:51.960 Like in the group to balance the energy.

00:10:54.620 You know what I mean?

00:10:55.200 Luckily, I feel like there's always been someone there to pick up the pieces and take care of

00:10:59.100 us, but it's not each other.

00:11:00.920 Yeah.

00:11:01.760 You can't rely on each other.

00:11:02.780 Like there's always a random person there.

00:11:04.480 Yeah.

00:11:04.940 Gotta have a third.

00:11:05.700 Doing the mom.

00:11:06.160 Yeah.

00:11:06.460 Mm-hmm.

00:11:07.160 Even on Saturday, honey, I was wilding out and you were nowhere to be found.

00:11:10.760 What were we all doing on Saturday?

00:11:12.380 We went to go see Slater perform.

00:11:14.940 Ooh.

00:11:15.480 And then I had to DJ at Torture Garden, this like fetish party.

00:11:19.960 Okay, period.

00:11:20.820 And so it was like a hard, there was a lot of things to it.

00:11:24.080 And that's where it began.

00:11:25.600 And then we went to a rave.

00:11:27.380 Okay.

00:11:27.940 It was called Seafood Rave.

00:11:29.120 And they had like full like.

00:11:30.460 Lobsters.

00:11:31.160 Lobsters and like fish installations and like fake ice.

00:11:33.640 And girl, I was at the front all night, like shirtless, like grabbing the fake ice and

00:11:37.000 like throwing it.

00:11:37.560 Everyone's like, I'm eating it.

00:11:38.720 Stop.

00:11:39.360 Everyone's like, okay, please stop.

00:11:40.800 Please stop.

00:11:41.180 You're terrorizing me.

00:11:42.640 I was like.

00:11:43.640 You're like, we're having fun.

00:11:44.960 Leo.

00:11:45.560 Yeah.

00:11:46.000 Leo.

00:11:46.620 Mm-hmm. 0.99

00:11:47.680 That sounds like a busy ass night. 0.99

00:11:49.580 No. 0.99

00:11:50.040 Y'all were telling me that you're old now or whatever.

00:11:52.080 Like you feel so old now.

00:11:53.280 You're definitely not. 0.99

00:11:54.260 That's a crazy ass night. 0.99

00:11:54.880 Well, it's not me that's making me feel old. 1.00

00:11:56.440 It's the other bitches. 1.00

00:11:58.020 I feel like I still feel 12. 0.99

00:12:00.380 You know, like I'm still the kid in high school going to the college party.

00:12:03.440 I'm jealous.

00:12:04.120 In my brain.

00:12:04.580 I'm such an old man.

00:12:06.080 Really?

00:12:06.420 I don't like to do anything.

00:12:08.180 Nothing?

00:12:08.740 Yeah.

00:12:09.100 Like I remember I was in New York a couple weeks ago for work stuff and I got invited

00:12:13.340 to a show, which is like, it was a comedy show for like a really famous comedian.

00:12:18.440 I won't say who because it sounds mean.

00:12:20.160 But like I got the tickets.

00:12:22.460 Like my team was like, yeah, you should go.

00:12:24.260 And I'm like, okay.

00:12:25.240 And it was like 530.

00:12:26.800 It was going to start at 730.

00:12:27.980 I was like, okay, a couple hours.

00:12:29.100 Not bad.

00:12:29.740 I looked at how long that show was, girl.

00:12:32.040 I said, never mind.

00:12:33.420 They said three hours?

00:12:34.720 I'm not going.

00:12:35.280 Three hours of anything.

00:12:36.700 I don't think I can handle it.

00:12:37.900 Girl, I'm sorry.

00:12:38.240 Unless it's Titanic.

00:12:39.220 I can only teehee for so long.

00:12:41.300 Right.

00:12:41.680 I'm just like teehee.

00:12:42.400 Give him the razzle dazzle. 0.95

00:12:44.000 Yeah.

00:12:44.480 I was like three hours.

00:12:45.820 I can't go.

00:12:46.420 I'm sorry.

00:12:46.480 Are you not like a sneak out early kind of diva?

00:12:48.900 I don't know if you can do it in that because it was like a seated event.

00:12:52.400 Oh.

00:12:52.640 You know what I mean?

00:12:53.400 And they put you at the front.

00:12:54.460 They'd be like, oh, Drew's coming.

00:12:56.080 Get her in the front row seats. 1.00

00:12:57.400 Yeah.

00:12:57.480 They gave me good seats, which made me feel kind of bad too.

00:12:59.460 But I was like, I'm so sorry.

00:13:01.020 I'm tired.

00:13:02.700 Just the thought of doing that and being out for that long.

00:13:05.320 Even like, do you guys know Caleb Heron?

00:13:07.560 He's a stand-up comedian.

00:13:08.400 He's very, very funny if y'all want to look into him.

00:13:10.820 Love him.

00:13:11.140 I do like to laugh.

00:13:12.720 Love that.

00:13:13.660 I'm an ally.

00:13:14.800 Oh, because the only white men I feel comfortable around, the only white men I feel comfortable 0.99

00:13:18.540 around are gay. 1.00

00:13:19.420 So that's why. 0.99

00:13:20.040 There you go.

00:13:20.620 But he's a comedian.

00:13:23.140 That makes sense.

00:13:23.900 He might have made his show in New York recently.

00:13:25.620 And he was like, oh, yeah, you definitely come through.

00:13:27.880 I'm like, okay, perfect.

00:13:28.740 I'll come.

00:13:29.460 And obviously, he's my good friend.

00:13:30.640 So I want to go and support.

00:13:32.280 And he told me the show started at 10.

00:13:34.480 In the night?

00:13:35.180 And I was like, in the night?

00:13:37.700 The way I had to rally to go.

00:13:40.240 I was literally like, I'm being tortured.

00:13:42.040 I'm just like, oh my.

00:13:43.140 It's like, gotta have a Red Bull.

00:13:44.660 Yeah, I know.

00:13:45.440 Literally, my whole family and team were like, it's going to be fine.

00:13:48.320 We're going to have fun.

00:13:49.400 And I was like.

00:13:50.460 Everyone helping you get up at 10?

00:13:52.740 Literally.

00:13:53.300 I took a nap for like 30 minutes.

00:13:54.640 It's like you're right in bed.

00:13:56.160 It's like snipping through my fingers.

00:13:59.480 Literally.

00:14:00.100 I was just.

00:14:00.840 It's because I'm a million years old.

00:14:02.920 I'm just old now.

00:14:03.700 Well, now with daylight savings, it's the craziest thing I've ever experienced.

00:14:07.560 Yeah.

00:14:08.200 It's like I'm in bed at 5 p.m.

00:14:09.620 Wrap it up.

00:14:10.580 We got to wrap it up.

00:14:11.620 Girl, when the sun goes down, I'm like, I'm going home.

00:14:14.020 Yeah.

00:14:14.380 I'm going home.

00:14:15.860 Game over.

00:14:16.520 I'm partaking in the devil's lettuce and I'm laying down.

00:14:25.480 We went to an event the other day.

00:14:27.880 Yeah.

00:14:28.200 And we.

00:14:29.160 I've never been like fully.

00:14:31.920 A stoner?

00:14:32.260 At my peak high, I guess.

00:14:34.120 Really?

00:14:34.500 And I didn't know that.

00:14:35.480 That was the night you experienced it for the first time?

00:14:37.760 Yes.

00:14:38.500 I was like at this drag show.

00:14:40.800 Last Thursday.

00:14:41.920 I need help.

00:14:42.220 And we were in drag.

00:14:44.600 That's worse.

00:14:45.320 Well, maybe it might have made me perform better, honestly.

00:14:48.200 Oh, maybe.

00:14:48.580 I just meant because you all get recognized even more so.

00:14:51.260 We were working the event.

00:14:52.520 Oh, okay.

00:14:52.980 You're working.

00:14:53.640 I thought you were watching something.

00:14:54.960 It was like for a THC product.

00:14:55.940 And we were like, we thought it was.

00:14:56.880 Was it an edible or did you smoke it?

00:14:58.220 It was edible.

00:14:59.520 And they're fierce drinks.

00:15:00.760 Drinks, chocolates.

00:15:02.420 And we thought they were CBD.

00:15:04.140 We got CBD.

00:15:04.860 Yes.

00:15:05.420 We got CBD and THC confused.

00:15:07.960 So we're like, we're like, yummy chocolates.

00:15:10.420 You're like, yum.

00:15:10.940 Yum.

00:15:11.060 Yum.

00:15:11.260 It's like drinks.

00:15:12.080 Thinking it's just going to relax.

00:15:13.020 Yes.

00:15:13.740 We need to be relaxed.

00:15:14.720 We need to drink.

00:15:15.380 And I'm like, well, why not add alcohol?

00:15:17.660 I was so confused.

00:15:18.960 I was like, why would I?

00:15:19.360 We were mixing the THC with vodka.

00:15:21.740 The THC cocktail.

00:15:23.240 Dead sentence, girl. 1.00

00:15:24.540 Babe.

00:15:25.120 It was.

00:15:26.180 It was kukaraj sauce.

00:15:28.360 I thought I was melting into the couch.

00:15:30.800 I literally like grabbed Violet.

00:15:32.460 I was like, honey, help.

00:15:34.140 I was like, you're stoned, honey.

00:15:35.400 It's okay.

00:15:36.300 We need to eat.

00:15:36.940 We have the munchies.

00:15:38.280 Let's go get food.

00:15:39.360 I was like, no idea that you can get that high.

00:15:41.300 That's crazy.

00:15:41.360 You're all, ooh, CBD, yum.

00:15:43.120 Yeah.

00:15:43.980 And you're mixing it with alcohol.

00:15:45.680 It was Mick who was like, no, no, that's just as relaxed as you.

00:15:48.680 This isn't the stuff that gets you high.

00:15:50.660 And we were wrong.

00:15:51.760 That ain't the stuff.

00:15:52.000 I cannot believe that y'all performed like that. 0.98

00:15:55.160 When I'm like that, girl, I need to be put in a mental hospital. 1.00

00:15:59.520 Like 5150 me, bitch. 1.00

00:16:01.280 I'm too gone. 0.99

00:16:02.840 Well, this one's on the, we're teetering on the edge.

00:16:05.700 Teetering on the edge of glory.

00:16:08.440 Yeah, the day after I skipped that comedy show, well, that night, I was like, well,

00:16:12.260 I'm in.

00:16:12.820 Might as well partake.

00:16:14.500 Took edibles, right?

00:16:16.280 But we, okay, so here's a tea on me.

00:16:18.680 I already had my own, but I finished them.

00:16:20.680 And then my boyfriend had bought them from a dispensary there in New York.

00:16:24.280 And he was like, oh, you know, I think the guy kind of upsold me a little bit on the dosage

00:16:28.180 because it's not, I ate one yesterday and it was, I didn't feel anything.

00:16:30.980 And I'm like, okay.

00:16:32.080 So I take a half one.

00:16:33.400 They're like little pea drinks.

00:16:34.440 I'm like, half, take it.

00:16:36.120 Three hours pass.

00:16:37.080 I don't feel anything. 0.97

00:16:38.000 I'm like, damn, I don't really feel anything. 0.98

00:16:39.500 He's like, yeah, I'm going to take another one. 0.97

00:16:40.520 I was like, me too.

00:16:41.420 Took another one.

00:16:42.360 Girl.

00:16:42.860 It was all the time, mama.

00:16:43.660 I woke up in the morning.

00:16:45.660 I thought I had been roofied.

00:16:46.980 You know that scene in Wolf of Wall Street where he's on Quaaludes?

00:16:50.440 And he's like, I can't get out of the car.

00:16:51.820 That was literally the way I was like, oh, my God.

00:16:54.800 Oh, my God.

00:16:55.360 That was me.

00:16:56.460 And I was like in slow motion but not.

00:16:58.720 Oh, God.

00:16:59.420 Terrifying.

00:17:00.480 I was like, okay, let me go to the bathroom.

00:17:01.600 Maybe if I pee and like I get up, it'll help me.

00:17:03.900 Yeah, do something bodily.

00:17:05.100 Yeah, like human function.

00:17:07.120 Humanize me.

00:17:07.440 Yeah, I need like motor skills.

00:17:09.320 Like I need to practice.

00:17:10.120 I'm like need to grip something.

00:17:12.060 I go in my bathroom.

00:17:12.560 You're like in 2D.

00:17:13.560 Yeah.

00:17:14.380 I go in the bathroom.

00:17:15.980 And the bathroom, it was so strange because they separated the bathroom.

00:17:19.040 So it was like one room had a toilet.

00:17:20.580 One room had the shower kind of deal.

00:17:22.440 And so I go into the one with the toilet and I forgot that all the walls are black in there.

00:17:27.420 And then there's no mirror.

00:17:29.060 And so I was sitting there and I was kind of who designed this.

00:17:31.500 I don't know, girl.

00:17:32.640 And I was literally sitting there.

00:17:33.800 I was like, oh, my God, I'm scared.

00:17:34.920 Like I kept thinking like, oh, my God, I'm like in something.

00:17:36.740 I'm in someone's mouth.

00:17:37.560 I'm in a closet.

00:17:38.280 I was like making up all these scenarios.

00:17:40.400 I'm like, oh, my God, am I OK?

00:17:41.240 I'm in a whale.

00:17:42.160 Yeah, I was literally like, oh, my gosh, oh, my God.

00:17:43.940 Like I was just getting worse as I was sitting in there.

00:17:46.160 I go and I wake up my boyfriend.

00:17:47.600 I'm like, wake up.

00:17:48.820 Something's wrong with me.

00:17:50.040 And I had to catch a flight.

00:17:51.740 I had to get on a flight in like an hour.

00:17:53.540 And I was like, and I woke him up and he turned around.

00:17:57.280 His eyes were so wide open.

00:17:59.220 He terrified me.

00:18:00.940 And my boyfriend has hooded eyes.

00:18:04.340 So if I could see the top of his eye, I'm like, girl, you need to go to the hospital.

00:18:08.500 That's something.

00:18:09.540 I need to call the cops.

00:18:10.460 I have really hooded eyes.

00:18:11.720 And it's hard to even see the white.

00:18:13.700 That's what I'm saying.

00:18:14.680 I could see every white part around his eye.

00:18:17.000 I was like, I'm terrified.

00:18:17.560 Like full crease.

00:18:18.580 Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh.

00:18:19.440 And I was like, if I go to TSA, they're going to arrest me, girl.

00:18:23.060 I'm going to pass out or something.

00:18:24.680 I literally had to move my flight.

00:18:26.000 I had to call my I called my mom crying, sobbing.

00:18:28.640 I was like, I think something's wrong with me.

00:18:30.640 I think I'm drunk.

00:18:31.560 Gummies.

00:18:31.900 They'll get you.

00:18:32.440 She went opposite and went to, like, fight or flight. 0.59

00:18:35.540 I was like, we got to get out of here.

00:18:37.840 Yeah.

00:18:38.680 And she starts passing her.

00:18:39.500 I was like, we're moving the flight up.

00:18:41.040 Yeah.

00:18:42.040 I'm like, we'll play it cool at TSA.

00:18:43.520 What I would have done.

00:18:44.400 So I take back what I said about being a Virgo and being responsible because I could

00:18:47.800 not do anything.

00:18:48.520 I couldn't save either of us.

00:18:49.800 I was like, girl, what am I doing?

00:18:51.140 I called my mom.

00:18:51.680 My mom was like, just go to sleep. 1.00

00:18:53.160 Just close your eyes.

00:18:54.240 Close your eyes.

00:18:54.800 Go to sleep.

00:18:55.580 And I was like.

00:18:56.840 And you're like, no hospital.

00:18:58.380 Girl, yeah. 0.96

00:18:59.220 Call the cops.

00:19:00.300 Yeah.

00:19:00.560 Call the cops.

00:19:01.120 I call my mom instead of calling anyone else for help because my mom could solve it,

00:19:04.880 obviously.

00:19:05.540 But I had to move my flight, essentially.

00:19:07.760 And I had to go, like, hours later and fly home.

00:19:10.680 But it was, I don't even want to know what I looked like walking through that airport.

00:19:14.200 I mean.

00:19:14.620 I don't even want to know.

00:19:15.560 Probably gorgeous, honestly.

00:19:17.400 I've seen a lot of people at a lot of airports.

00:19:19.400 And it is rough out there for a lot of people.

00:19:22.400 My boyfriend had the silliest outfit on.

00:19:24.240 Like, he had these bright green pants that were mine.

00:19:27.720 They were just, like, super oversized.

00:19:29.820 He had those on.

00:19:30.700 A cropped hoodie.

00:19:32.180 No shirt underneath.

00:19:33.540 Sounds very nice.

00:19:34.240 That sounds like a great look.

00:19:35.420 And he had, like, a blue hat on.

00:19:37.540 And I was like, I was like, is that what you're wearing to the airport?

00:19:40.120 He's like, yep.

00:19:41.000 And I was like, you should probably change the pants.

00:19:43.060 Because, like, they were too big and stuff.

00:19:44.600 And he was like, if I take these off, I'm not making it on the plane.

00:19:48.180 It's a vibe.

00:19:49.020 All right, girl.

00:19:49.480 Do what you got to do.

00:19:50.440 Get into it.

00:19:51.000 Pants or me.

00:19:53.240 Yeah, choose.

00:19:53.900 He's like, you choose, girl. 1.00

00:19:55.340 You're like, pants.

00:19:57.520 I literally was in disbelief.

00:19:59.640 I was so traumatized by that.

00:20:01.420 I was like, okay.

00:20:02.140 Take a break from edibles.

00:20:03.760 Take a little break, girl. 1.00

00:20:05.120 And they also, at this event, they gave us, like, a lifetime supply of these edibles and chocolates

00:20:10.520 and drinks and everything.

00:20:11.700 And we took them.

00:20:12.440 I took them home. 0.99

00:20:13.660 Because I didn't want to get off my tits again. 1.00

00:20:16.440 My God, it was insane. 0.99

00:20:18.340 I think the gummies, like, I don't know if they can, like, properly measure.

00:20:23.000 Yeah.

00:20:23.620 And then if you bite a corner, like, did you get the corner that had the edible in it?

00:20:27.480 Or is it on the other floor?

00:20:28.100 And then you're like, maybe I'll take a little more.

00:20:29.780 And then you're seeing, like, you're on Mars immediately. 0.54

00:20:33.040 Like, everyone around me is a goat person. 1.00

00:20:34.980 I'm like, oh, my God.

00:20:36.660 And you know what's crazy is I've done that with edibles at least twice before.

00:20:40.660 Yes.

00:20:41.100 So I feel like I know what that feels like when I'm, like, freaking out.

00:20:44.180 I'm like, too much, too much, too much.

00:20:45.920 That, though, something else.

00:20:47.940 Something else.

00:20:48.520 I'm like, if I ever catch that guy who sold that edible to my boyfriend in the street.

00:20:52.460 New York is wild like that.

00:20:53.580 He and I are squaring up in the street.

00:20:56.620 If I ever catch that.

00:20:56.840 I better never catch you like it was you.

00:20:59.740 Yeah.

00:21:00.480 He ruined my life for 24 hours.

00:21:02.960 Like, we've both been burned.

00:21:04.720 All three of us have been burned.

00:21:06.040 Hurt by an edible.

00:21:07.260 Truly.

00:21:08.220 I don't trust them anymore.

00:21:10.080 You can't.

00:21:10.780 You just can't.

00:21:11.560 Every time I'm like, I'll be fine.

00:21:12.920 I'm so not fine.

00:21:14.500 It's the worst time.

00:21:15.200 Every single time.

00:21:15.440 When you let your guard down.

00:21:16.420 What would you say is the hardest gig y'all have ever performed at?

00:21:28.020 How much time do we have?

00:21:29.040 Yeah, hard for, like, multiple reasons.

00:21:30.760 Whether it's, like, location or maybe costume or maybe just crowd.

00:21:35.840 She's actually had the craziest ones ever.

00:21:37.580 Like, sometimes it's, like, story time.

00:21:39.180 I'm, like, on my stomach with my feet kicking in the air.

00:21:41.180 Like, what the heck is going on?

00:21:42.720 I've done drag.

00:21:43.720 Like, before Drag Race, I was doing drag at a high level.

00:21:47.880 And then after Drag Race, it got even crazier.

00:21:50.360 I remember probably the worst gig I've ever done was for always private parties.

00:21:55.600 Private bookings.

00:21:56.200 That's what every drag queen I've ever hung out with tells me. 1.00

00:21:58.980 It's like, I would rather go to prison than do another private.

00:22:02.280 A private booking is so awkward.

00:22:05.860 I can only imagine.

00:22:06.760 And you know you're going to be, like, on the floor.

00:22:08.800 And they're just going to be, like, at the party.

00:22:09.900 Be like, everyone make a circle or something.

00:22:12.320 Like, I've been to, like, that.

00:22:13.500 Like, a birthday party.

00:22:14.260 Yeah, because I remember one of my friends said, it's because one person there loves drag.

00:22:18.740 Yeah.

00:22:18.960 So that's why they hired you.

00:22:20.660 Yes. 1.00

00:22:21.020 Everyone else is, like, what the fuck is this? 1.00

00:22:22.200 What is going on? 1.00

00:22:23.240 Yeah.

00:22:23.360 Yeah, like, nobody else understands.

00:22:25.580 And then it's, like, I've done, like, 7,000 people at Wembley.

00:22:29.020 I've done, like, my show is 1,500 people.

00:22:31.060 And then you go from, like, and it's, like, they all know who you are.

00:22:33.760 They're all here to see you.

00:22:34.740 They're screaming.

00:22:34.940 Yeah, they, like, chose to come and see you.

00:22:36.320 They chose to come and see you.

00:22:37.620 And then all of a sudden I'm, like, in a villa in Venice in Italy at, like, some, like, weird girl's birthday party with all these, like, random Italian people.

00:22:49.080 I'm performing on top of a little table.

00:22:51.340 And they're all just, like.

00:22:52.060 A coffee table.

00:22:52.440 And I'm, like.

00:22:57.800 You're just, like, hamming it up even more.

00:23:00.180 And they're just, like.

00:23:02.800 We did this.

00:23:03.540 There's, like, a guy with hors d'oeuvres going by.

00:23:05.760 And I'm just, like.

00:23:06.120 Yeah, walking in front of you while you're.

00:23:07.660 He's, excuse me.

00:23:08.960 Yes.

00:23:09.660 And I grab a hors d'oeuvres.

00:23:10.760 I'm, like, all right.

00:23:11.080 I need to grab something behind you.

00:23:11.900 Ma'am, I don't, sir.

00:23:13.160 I don't.

00:23:13.280 I don't want to go there.

00:23:18.540 Literally that.

00:23:20.000 It's happened to me, like, three times.

00:23:22.620 That's insane.

00:23:24.140 But the check is gorgeous.

00:23:25.860 I'm, like.

00:23:26.440 And there's one person.

00:23:27.240 Give me an hors d'oeuvres.

00:23:28.020 That's, like, yes.

00:23:29.700 And everyone else is, like.

00:23:31.540 Yes.

00:23:31.800 It's awkward.

00:23:32.500 The pocket planner's, like.

00:23:33.360 Well, they said she's one of the fiercest drag queens in the world. 1.00

00:23:35.560 I don't know.

00:23:36.100 And it's, like.

00:23:36.660 Okay, well. 0.99

00:23:38.060 Like, Mariangelo over here doesn't know who the fuck I am. 0.98

00:23:41.320 Literally, like. 0.99

00:23:42.000 Girl, give me something.

00:23:43.380 Give me something.

00:23:44.060 Yeah, I'll have to be.

00:23:44.640 I'll do this.

00:23:45.240 Be, like.

00:23:47.780 Ah.

00:23:48.440 Ah.

00:23:48.980 Give it to me.

00:23:49.820 Give it.

00:23:50.160 Ah.

00:23:50.440 It's just, like.

00:23:51.020 They're, like.

00:23:52.360 Pitter patter of.

00:23:53.420 Woo.

00:23:53.640 There's one.

00:23:54.180 Woo.

00:23:54.300 Golf clap.

00:23:55.400 Yeah, those are pretty bad.

00:23:56.900 Yeah, those are crazy.

00:23:57.580 What's the worst one we've done together?

00:23:59.340 There was one gig we did recently where there was, like.

00:24:02.700 Like, the dressing room was underground.

00:24:04.980 And then you had to, like, walk upstairs, I guess.

00:24:07.520 To, like.

00:24:07.960 Underground?

00:24:09.260 Yes.

00:24:09.500 Where was this?

00:24:09.840 Tunnels.

00:24:10.560 And there was, like, gas leak.

00:24:12.960 Oh, my God.

00:24:14.400 Yeah, you're, like.

00:24:15.100 And I was, like.

00:24:15.560 It smells like gas.

00:24:16.660 Like, for sure.

00:24:17.360 And they're, like.

00:24:17.920 Yeah, we had a guy check on it.

00:24:19.160 But he said it's fine.

00:24:20.380 And I'm, like.

00:24:20.740 Okay.

00:24:21.340 But there was also, like.

00:24:22.720 A furnace.

00:24:23.720 Like, it looked like it used to be a moratorium.

00:24:26.900 And they had, like, a fan on it.

00:24:28.940 Not moratorium.

00:24:30.180 But is it?

00:24:30.800 Mortuary.

00:24:31.520 Mortuary.

00:24:31.800 Yeah.

00:24:33.120 And I was, like.

00:24:33.780 I think the gas is getting worse, you guys.

00:24:35.580 And we're underground.

00:24:36.740 I'm getting a little lightheaded.

00:24:38.000 Yes.

00:24:38.500 No.

00:24:38.660 It was crazy.

00:24:39.520 It was crazy.

00:24:40.140 It was crazy.

00:24:40.660 We made them move us.

00:24:42.120 We were, like.

00:24:42.440 We were, like.

00:24:42.880 Carbon monoxide poisoning you.

00:24:44.800 And they're, like.

00:24:45.360 Let's maybe step out into this room.

00:24:47.200 I'm, like.

00:24:47.420 We're still underground.

00:24:48.680 Like.

00:24:48.840 It's, like.

00:24:49.140 It's a cement.

00:24:49.920 Like, basement.

00:24:50.420 The gas is everywhere.

00:24:51.300 Yeah.

00:24:51.560 We should probably go above ground.

00:24:52.840 Yeah.

00:24:53.060 So that's my suggestion.

00:24:54.520 Maybe we move locations as a whole.

00:24:56.600 I forgot about that.

00:24:57.820 Yeah.

00:24:58.100 And they were, like.

00:24:58.700 Don't.

00:24:59.080 Also, like.

00:24:59.660 Don't talk about it upstairs when you go see everyone.

00:25:01.940 I was, like.

00:25:02.580 Okay.

00:25:03.060 So it is an issue.

00:25:03.400 Don't talk about it on the mic, either.

00:25:05.080 We're, like.

00:25:06.040 So there is a gas leak.

00:25:07.540 Yeah.

00:25:07.840 We prefer if you didn't tell people there's a gas leak.

00:25:10.060 And they also were, like.

00:25:10.780 Don't light anything.

00:25:12.200 Yes.

00:25:12.400 We were, like.

00:25:13.580 And I was, like.

00:25:14.460 Like.

00:25:14.820 You spark up.

00:25:15.880 And it's.

00:25:16.040 Yes.

00:25:16.420 I was, like.

00:25:16.720 Can I at least tell them that part?

00:25:18.200 I'm, like.

00:25:19.780 It's going to light my herbal candle.

00:25:22.060 But.

00:25:22.140 And I was fully, like.

00:25:23.300 Drunk.

00:25:23.640 Being, like.

00:25:24.180 This is how I go.

00:25:25.340 In a basement.

00:25:26.460 Basement gas.

00:25:27.540 Of this drag club. 0.99

00:25:28.620 Yeah.

00:25:28.760 In drag? 0.97

00:25:29.820 I was fighting.

00:25:30.500 There was, like.

00:25:30.960 There was, like, a massive, like, furnace down there.

00:25:33.780 Remember?

00:25:34.260 Yes.

00:25:34.460 That was the source of the leak.

00:25:35.740 It was crazy.

00:25:36.120 But, like.

00:25:36.740 I'm, like.

00:25:37.140 What would.

00:25:37.740 Was this before?

00:25:38.720 They're still stoking it.

00:25:38.820 They're, like.

00:25:39.060 Don't worry.

00:25:39.480 It's fine.

00:25:39.980 It's totally fine.

00:25:41.120 It's totally fine.

00:25:41.800 Yes.

00:25:42.040 And then.

00:25:42.460 Oh, my God.

00:25:43.000 And then I went to pee.

00:25:43.960 And, like.

00:25:44.180 The office.

00:25:44.860 That was, like.

00:25:45.340 Down.

00:25:45.840 Still in the basement.

00:25:46.740 And, like.

00:25:47.040 Going through the halls.

00:25:48.040 Or whatever.

00:25:48.400 And I heard them.

00:25:49.340 Being, like.

00:25:50.140 Are we sure we got that guy out there?

00:25:51.780 And I was, like.

00:25:52.260 He ain't, like.

00:25:53.140 I was, like.

00:25:53.880 No.

00:25:54.420 They're, like.

00:25:54.740 I just kind of told them that.

00:25:56.140 Yeah.

00:25:56.540 And I was, like.

00:25:57.080 I knew it.

00:25:58.660 You overheard that.

00:26:00.500 That's crazy.

00:26:01.700 Were you guys just kind of, like.

00:26:02.720 Okay.

00:26:03.620 Yes.

00:26:04.140 Thanks.

00:26:05.000 Well, I was being.

00:26:05.880 I was, like.

00:26:06.120 We have to get out of here.

00:26:07.380 I was so scared.

00:26:08.140 I've had.

00:26:08.640 And I'm, like.

00:26:09.120 Thinking about all the worst gigs ever.

00:26:11.380 Me, too.

00:26:12.580 One time the Italian mafia showed up to my gig.

00:26:16.160 Yes.

00:26:16.780 What gig?

00:26:17.280 Where were you?

00:26:17.660 I had.

00:26:18.080 I was doing my solo show in Italy.

00:26:20.260 At, like.

00:26:20.460 This gorgeous theater.

00:26:22.040 And I guess.

00:26:22.380 When you perform in Italy.

00:26:23.540 There's, like.

00:26:24.400 A special tax.

00:26:25.960 And, like.

00:26:26.560 My tour manager was just, like.

00:26:27.820 A hot mess.

00:26:28.500 And, like.

00:26:28.740 Never paid this, like.

00:26:30.400 Special tax.

00:26:32.380 And the Italian mafia showed up.

00:26:35.100 With.

00:26:36.140 Guns.

00:26:36.820 Oh, my God.

00:26:37.640 But, like.

00:26:37.880 When I say Italian mafia.

00:26:39.000 I mean, like.

00:26:39.660 Random men in suits.

00:26:40.900 With a piece of loose leaf paper.

00:26:42.180 That said.

00:26:42.700 You owe us $27,000.

00:26:44.060 It says.

00:26:44.280 You owe me a million dollars.

00:26:45.300 Yes.

00:26:46.320 They're, like.

00:26:46.680 Sorry.

00:26:46.860 I'm not even kidding.

00:26:47.860 So, I'm fine.

00:26:48.160 And they, like.

00:26:49.160 Opened their.

00:26:49.920 They were, like.

00:26:50.340 Oh, my God.

00:26:52.380 It, like.

00:26:52.720 Showed it at God.

00:26:53.780 You're, like.

00:26:54.120 I'm in a corset.

00:26:55.220 No, literally.

00:26:55.800 I was, like.

00:26:56.160 Zip my dress up.

00:26:57.080 I heard about it.

00:26:57.640 I was, like.

00:26:57.740 Zip my dress up.

00:26:58.420 Where are they?

00:26:58.940 What are they going to do?

00:26:59.400 They're going to shoot me? 0.91

00:27:01.280 They're going to shoot me like this? 0.80

00:27:02.500 That's the Gemini.

00:27:02.620 Dress like this?

00:27:03.680 Let's go.

00:27:04.120 That's the Gemini.

00:27:04.460 Like, they better.

00:27:05.560 Yeah.

00:27:06.000 This is the way to go.

00:27:07.140 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:07.880 Let's fucking hit it. 1.00

00:27:09.040 I will. 1.00

00:27:09.520 Bring me to the mafia now.

00:27:11.500 They are not ruining my show.

00:27:13.200 Gemini.

00:27:14.000 Yes.

00:27:14.360 Okay, Gemini girl.

00:27:15.480 And I stomped around that theater.

00:27:17.720 And you.

00:27:18.380 And you did the gig?

00:27:19.280 No.

00:27:19.500 My tour manager was, like.

00:27:21.160 Get back.

00:27:21.680 Get the dressing room.

00:27:22.620 I don't know.

00:27:23.420 What are they going to do? 0.96

00:27:24.320 Shoot me? 0.99

00:27:25.500 Probably. 0.96

00:27:26.500 Literally, yeah.

00:27:27.340 They're, like.

00:27:27.840 That's what we're saying, actually.

00:27:29.100 Well, yeah.

00:27:29.580 That's my plan. 1.00

00:27:30.500 To shoot you. 1.00

00:27:31.180 Yes. 1.00

00:27:31.700 Well, the show went on.

00:27:33.000 So, you can put the pieces together from there.

00:27:37.080 Committed to the gig.

00:27:38.460 The show must go on. 0.99

00:27:39.660 Okay, shoot me if you must. 0.98

00:27:40.780 Just let me do my number. 0.90

00:27:42.080 Yeah, let me do my show. 0.91

00:27:43.520 And afterwards, we can talk.

00:27:44.900 You're like, maybe this will change your mind.

00:27:46.600 Sit down.

00:27:48.320 Grab a drink.

00:27:49.660 Absolutely.

00:27:50.260 And it must have.

00:27:51.600 It must have.

00:27:52.520 Did they just leave?

00:27:53.400 They probably saw the show and were like.

00:27:55.400 We'll let this one slide.

00:27:57.000 They're like.

00:27:57.980 This one.

00:27:58.540 Honestly.

00:27:58.700 This one.

00:27:59.880 You have that.

00:28:00.680 And I was wearing Prada.

00:28:01.640 I was wearing all Italian brands.

00:28:02.700 You know.

00:28:03.340 So, maybe.

00:28:04.140 They were like.

00:28:04.640 Honestly, you served it to me.

00:28:06.240 So, tax.

00:28:07.640 Waved.

00:28:08.140 Yes.

00:28:08.620 Next time.

00:28:09.040 Next time, though. 1.00

00:28:10.440 I'm going to kill you. 1.00

00:28:12.720 Don't come back. 1.00

00:28:14.080 No.

00:28:14.560 My manager and my tour manager figured it out.

00:28:17.520 You're like.

00:28:17.900 Honestly, I swayed them with the power of music.

00:28:20.520 Yeah.

00:28:21.400 The power of drag, honey.

00:28:22.900 The power of drag.

00:28:23.240 Cross-dressing. 0.86

00:28:24.920 And who says drag is harmful?

00:28:27.020 Saves lives.

00:28:28.100 It's the opposite.

00:28:29.260 I know.

00:28:29.520 Literally.

00:28:30.160 It's the opposite, actually.

00:28:31.100 I thought you said, what's your least favorite gig?

00:28:32.680 And we're like.

00:28:33.460 Which one?

00:28:33.860 Death or birthday parties?

00:28:35.560 It was like.

00:28:36.600 Private party.

00:28:37.660 And when someone tried to kill me.

00:28:39.700 Those are probably the worst ones.

00:28:40.860 There's been so many other ones.

00:28:41.920 I could probably.

00:28:42.560 You could do a whole podcast just on the worst gigs I've ever done.

00:28:45.000 It's crazy.

00:28:45.520 There's two other ones I'm thinking about right now.

00:28:47.740 We should find a way.

00:28:48.820 It feels like a rite of passage at this point.

00:28:51.220 Yes. 1.00

00:28:51.520 But that one's fucking crazy. 0.99

00:28:53.860 My memoir is going to be insane. 0.98

00:28:55.380 There's going to be a whole chapter on the worst gigs I've ever done in my entire life.

00:28:58.380 Truly. 0.99

00:28:59.560 Holy shit. 1.00

00:29:00.280 That's insane. 0.99

00:29:08.140 Speaking of podcasts, though, y'all have a podcast together.

00:29:11.400 How exciting.

00:29:12.780 So how did that come about?

00:29:13.800 We just like to talk.

00:29:15.000 There is.

00:29:15.720 A lot.

00:29:16.380 You're telling me.

00:29:17.140 And we have opinions about everything.

00:29:19.960 Me too.

00:29:20.160 And nobody wants to hear them.

00:29:21.260 But guess what?

00:29:22.080 My show.

00:29:22.440 Here we are.

00:29:22.960 I got a mic.

00:29:25.040 So I get to talk about it.

00:29:27.060 Don't have to watch if you don't want to.

00:29:28.260 But please watch.

00:29:29.440 Love.

00:29:30.020 So y'all started the podcast when?

00:29:32.840 How long ago did y'all start it?

00:29:34.620 Two.

00:29:35.480 How long have I even known you for?

00:29:37.340 I know.

00:29:37.880 I don't even know what I meant.

00:29:39.020 A million and one years.

00:29:40.240 Yeah.

00:29:40.560 We started it.

00:29:41.100 We're on season three.

00:29:42.200 But I think it's been like two and a half years we started it.

00:29:44.760 Yeah.

00:29:45.120 Okay.

00:29:45.620 We just sort of make it up as we go.

00:29:47.360 Period.

00:29:47.960 Yeah.

00:29:48.360 We're very independent divas.

00:29:49.900 Yeah.

00:29:50.040 We literally just like got some vintage chairs and like went into my other room in my house.

00:29:54.760 I was like, let's talk about things and have opinions.

00:29:57.320 Period.

00:29:57.880 I think of it more like therapy.

00:29:59.380 We really like let it all out.

00:30:01.080 Yeah.

00:30:01.480 It's so funny.

00:30:02.220 I feel like when you have a podcast, especially one like yours, which is so entertaining and

00:30:06.980 so amazing.

00:30:07.560 It's like one half of it is therapy and you're like trauma dumping on each other.

00:30:12.040 And then the other half is you're being like, so what's your opinion on peanut butter

00:30:14.820 and jelly?

00:30:15.360 Yeah.

00:30:15.900 Here's mine.

00:30:16.400 Literally.

00:30:16.800 And you start, you just talk for an hour about that.

00:30:18.920 The list, we're adding peanut butter and jelly to our list of topics for sure.

00:30:21.980 Period.

00:30:22.520 I feel like actually thinking about peanut butter and jelly the other day because we're

00:30:25.440 on like a Matilda kick and she was like making peanut butter and jelly, but with like 1.00

00:30:29.880 the jar that has peanut butter and jelly like all the pre-mix.

00:30:32.940 Don't like that.

00:30:33.680 I didn't like that either.

00:30:34.600 Don't like that.

00:30:34.880 I was watching Matilda and I was like, no.

00:30:37.860 I want us to make like artisanal peanut butter and jelly.

00:30:40.820 Like I want to like crush the peanuts ourselves and like do the preserves.

00:30:44.140 Like I want to get like ciabatta, like gorgeous artisanal bread and like toast.

00:30:49.040 I want like, I want to like.

00:30:50.340 Am I a pilgrim?

00:30:51.160 Yeah.

00:30:51.520 Yes.

00:30:51.840 I want to turn the butter.

00:30:53.100 Yes.

00:30:53.940 Yes.

00:30:54.460 I want to like really elevate the PB&J.

00:30:57.560 Yes.

00:30:57.940 You can make like a gourmet like Michelin star PB&J.

00:31:02.240 I have mixed opinions about Michelin star.

00:31:04.100 We covered that on the pod.

00:31:05.800 Yeah.

00:31:06.200 I've been to many a Michelin star restaurant and I'm not impressed.

00:31:12.320 It's about the art.

00:31:13.660 It's not about.

00:31:14.080 I don't want to know about your art.

00:31:16.640 I just want to get a good meal in.

00:31:19.260 I actually have a lot of opinions on Michelin stars.

00:31:21.240 I didn't expect you to say that.

00:31:22.880 No, we have to do.

00:31:23.660 Say anything and we'll have it.

00:31:25.100 Michelin star is on our list of topics.

00:31:28.040 Yes.

00:31:28.340 I could do a whole episode.

00:31:29.860 Yeah.

00:31:30.120 On how much you hate Michelin star restaurants?

00:31:31.620 It's just the different experiences I've had.

00:31:34.040 Like honey, it's a chicken nugget.

00:31:35.880 Quit calling it a pureed pate of a joint.

00:31:40.580 It's a McNugget.

00:31:41.420 You're getting artistry and then you get food after.

00:31:44.740 No.

00:31:45.140 And they're so particular.

00:31:46.620 I'm like, oh, can I get the so-and-so on the side?

00:31:48.160 They're like, no, you cannot get the on the side.

00:31:50.580 No, you can't.

00:31:52.160 And then they show you a gun.

00:31:52.680 Okay.

00:31:52.920 Well, this is a really.

00:31:54.440 It's the Italian mafia following you.

00:31:56.600 He's following you everywhere.

00:31:57.440 With the same piece of paper.

00:31:59.320 By the way, you still owe me money.

00:32:00.520 Seriously, yes.

00:32:03.100 That's crazy.

00:32:03.840 I don't think I've ever been to a Michelin star restaurant.

00:32:06.100 I don't recommend it. 0.99

00:32:07.820 Honestly, fine dining of any kind to me personally is a waste of time because I'm a big bitch. 1.00

00:32:13.860 So like if you give me an entree and it's this big, I'm going to kill you with a gun. 1.00

00:32:17.360 That's what I'm saying. 1.00

00:32:17.840 I'm going to kill you with a gun. 1.00

00:32:18.920 So imagine this whole scenario. 1.00

00:32:21.600 Yeah, I'm the guy.

00:32:22.140 I pull off my face.

00:32:22.840 I'm the guy.

00:32:23.300 And they pull out one chicken nugget.

00:32:25.360 Yeah, it's just so like.

00:32:27.320 And I know they're always like, oh, it's about the experience.

00:32:29.820 I want to experience food now.

00:32:32.940 What do you mean?

00:32:33.920 So I see both sides.

00:32:35.000 It's like, yeah, it's like the artistry of it.

00:32:37.060 Cool.

00:32:37.940 But then maybe you should be an artist and not a chef.

00:32:39.860 That's what I'm saying.

00:32:40.660 Go to a museum, gorgeous.

00:32:42.020 Like I'm trying to go to a restaurant.

00:32:43.400 Go to the Lama, girl. 1.00

00:32:44.360 I don't know.

00:32:45.500 Do an installation somewhere.

00:32:46.980 Go to LACMA, girl. 0.95

00:32:48.320 I don't know.

00:32:49.220 I feel like it might as well be like a Sam's Club sample they're giving me.

00:32:53.000 And honestly, those taste good.

00:32:54.660 And you can probably go back for seconds.

00:32:56.220 Yeah, you can come back for three or four more.

00:32:58.900 And who's going to stop me?

00:33:00.680 Nobody.

00:33:01.560 No, we have so many random topics.

00:33:03.840 That's so funny.

00:33:04.820 Yeah.

00:33:05.180 I went to Paris for the first time this year because I went to Paris Fashion Week for a

00:33:10.020 little bit.

00:33:11.140 And I have never in my life eaten at restaurants where I felt like I wasn't really eating anything

00:33:17.620 at all.

00:33:18.120 Like I was trying my absolute hardest to eat.

00:33:20.200 And I was like, this is hologram food, girl.

00:33:22.340 Give me something substantial.

00:33:24.340 I'm starving.

00:33:25.520 I know.

00:33:26.140 There's like two spots we like in Paris that have actual food.

00:33:29.840 I don't know the names, but I know the stores that are next to them.

00:33:34.640 Landmarks.

00:33:35.240 Yeah, there's a vintage store we love next to the restaurant we love.

00:33:38.180 So we just have to find it.

00:33:39.420 And that's how you find it.

00:33:40.360 Yeah.

00:33:40.780 I love that.

00:33:41.660 I think even when I was there too, we ate at a couple of restaurants that were good.

00:33:45.240 But some of them, I was like, this food is so small.

00:33:48.020 Give me something else, please.

00:33:49.700 I'm starving.

00:33:50.140 No, and the range of restaurant in Paris is not, I'm like, okay, French cuisine loves

00:33:56.160 it.

00:33:56.780 But like, I'm feeling a little like Italian or Mediterranean or like whatever.

00:34:00.920 It's like they have Thai food and French food and that's it.

00:34:03.140 And I'm like, okay, like where can I get a piece?

00:34:07.520 One time I ordered a calzone and there was shrimp in it in France.

00:34:10.340 Yes.

00:34:10.980 Ew.

00:34:11.860 With the sauce and everything?

00:34:13.340 Like a marinara?

00:34:14.200 Yeah.

00:34:14.760 Girl, with shrimp? 0.96

00:34:15.720 I mean, I've been to Paris so many times and I've had so many odd experiences and I've

00:34:19.840 also ordered pizzas where they don't cut it.

00:34:21.520 That's a very European thing where they don't please slice.

00:34:23.240 How do you eat it then?

00:34:24.880 I'm in my hotel room holding a giant pizza like this.

00:34:27.860 You're eating it like a cartoon character.

00:34:30.280 Yeah, literally. 0.90

00:34:32.060 You're just gnawing on it like a rat.

00:34:34.120 And I started tweeting about this because it was happening to me so much when I was in

00:34:37.760 Europe.

00:34:38.160 They wouldn't cut the pizza up and I'd be in my hotel room and people would start bringing

00:34:42.820 me pizza cutters to my meet and greets.

00:34:45.320 Period.

00:34:46.060 And it came in handy, actually.

00:34:47.520 The girls are going to do it. 1.00

00:34:48.160 I love that.

00:34:48.600 The fans came through.

00:34:49.860 They are going to do it for you.

00:34:51.120 I don't want to solve your issues.

00:34:51.840 Also in Paris, the fact that their elevators are either non-existent or they're for people

00:34:58.980 for two aunts max.

00:35:01.420 Girl, what the hell is that?

00:35:02.780 I'm like, why is there a police system for this elevator?

00:35:06.480 No, it's like Willy Wonka.

00:35:07.580 We're in 2023, girl.

00:35:09.480 Lots of elevators.

00:35:10.400 And no air conditioning anywhere.

00:35:13.240 Hello?

00:35:14.240 Yeah.

00:35:14.840 Imagine having Elmer's glue all over your eyebrows.

00:35:18.200 Yeah, no ice either. 0.99

00:35:19.480 And when you ask for it, they're mean as fuck to you. 0.99

00:35:21.840 And then you're like, okay, sorry. 1.00

00:35:23.560 Or they'll be like, yeah, shit. 1.00

00:35:24.840 They're like, can't hang with Mother Nature, I see. 1.00

00:35:26.380 And I'm like, okay, didn't know I had to.

00:35:28.800 No, for real.

00:35:29.820 I was like, if I have to climb one more set of stairs, I'm going to off myself.

00:35:33.000 No, they're like fundamentalists.

00:35:34.600 They really are.

00:35:35.500 This is the weather we've got and this is the weather you're going to deal with.

00:35:38.780 This is the way I'm like, I'm so like, America, rah, when I go over there because I just need

00:35:43.620 air conditioning.

00:35:44.520 Like, I hate this country, but I go over there and I'm like, you know what?

00:35:46.960 Maybe America's not so bad.

00:35:47.920 I'm just glad we're on the same page here because I feel the exact same way.

00:35:51.960 And every time I go there, I'm like, you guys, I'm in drag.

00:35:54.480 I have a wig on.

00:35:55.180 I have my eyebrows glued on.

00:35:56.760 If the eyebrow starts sweating off, like, it came over.

00:36:00.240 Fantasy is gone.

00:36:00.560 Like, put the AC on.

00:36:02.260 Give me something, girl.

00:36:03.560 Give me a fan.

00:36:04.640 Oh, my gosh.

00:36:05.160 And that's Subway.

00:36:06.820 Did y'all have taken the Subway?

00:36:07.940 The way that that I know where they came up with the guillotine and they use it on that 1.00

00:36:13.820 goddamn Subway. 0.99

00:36:14.760 The way that those doors give you half a second to get in or they're chopping your head off, 1.00

00:36:19.420 girl. 1.00

00:36:20.100 I saw three people get slammed in those fucking doors. 1.00

00:36:23.840 One of them was a little girl. 1.00

00:36:25.540 Her mom still got on the train and this bitch was sandwiched between the little like, you 1.00

00:36:30.160 know, that's like a gate and then the door. 0.99

00:36:31.980 She was sandwiched in that gate.

00:36:33.580 She was like, ah, and then someone behind her just pulled her back and she got out and her

00:36:37.340 mom took off. 0.98

00:36:38.060 See you at the next stop, honey.

00:36:39.660 And then the girl was like, don't worry.

00:36:41.580 She was like, it's okay.

00:36:42.520 You'll see her at the next stop.

00:36:43.820 She's like nine.

00:36:45.020 Okay.

00:36:45.740 She's crying.

00:36:46.560 I'm like, that's going to be me.

00:36:47.980 I mean, anytime I got on any kind of public transportation, I go the wrong direction.

00:36:52.100 Like, even when I lived in New York, I'd be like, okay, I'm in Queens.

00:36:55.940 All of a sudden, I've lived in Bushwick.

00:36:57.940 Like, I've been in New York dozens of times at this point.

00:37:02.440 I still don't know where anything is.

00:37:04.100 When people ask me where things, like, like my friend Teffy, she lives in New York and she

00:37:07.980 was like, Teffy, yeah.

00:37:08.820 She, uh, she was like, oh, you're in New York.

00:37:10.440 Where are you staying?

00:37:11.180 I was like, I think Midtown.

00:37:13.080 And then she goes, what's street? 0.98

00:37:14.440 I go, girl, I don't fucking know. 0.98

00:37:16.240 I don't know. 0.95

00:37:17.320 Though when they're always like between Pearl and 27th, I'm going to drop you.

00:37:20.500 I was like, what are you, what is this between?

00:37:22.700 Like, this is the address.

00:37:23.980 Like, I need to go to the address.

00:37:25.780 I'm like, what's that mean?

00:37:26.500 And the Ubers are like, it's only 12 blocks.

00:37:28.760 Can you walk from here?

00:37:29.520 I'm like, no.

00:37:31.080 That's why I called the Uber.

00:37:32.680 One thing about me, I'm going to take a car.

00:37:33.660 In Fashion Week, I remember I'd be doing Fashion Week with Miss Fame and we'd be done.

00:37:38.460 Like, the highest Louboutin, snatched corsets, wigged, everything.

00:37:42.760 And we're like, trying to make it to the show.

00:37:43.720 And they're like, Miss Traffic, do you want to walk?

00:37:45.800 Amber running through Times Square trying to make it to the Marc Jacobs show.

00:37:49.180 Like, with Fame.

00:37:50.440 And then we get there and the show is over.

00:37:52.220 We were, like, running.

00:37:53.740 Oh, my God.

00:37:54.800 In full drag, too.

00:37:55.640 Full drag, Louboutined up, doe-eyed, lashed, wigged, all of it. 1.00

00:38:00.560 I know.

00:38:00.860 They're like, that's only, like, 27 blocks.

00:38:02.440 I'm like, oh, word.

00:38:04.880 I'm not walking.

00:38:05.940 And also, like, I'm not good at math.

00:38:07.400 Like, how long, how far is that?

00:38:09.360 Yeah, I'm like, what does that mean?

00:38:11.100 Like, how many minutes?

00:38:13.300 New York block is not an L.A. block.

00:38:15.160 Yo, for real.

00:38:15.980 I was like, how do you measure blocks, really?

00:38:17.700 I don't know.

00:38:18.840 I don't know.

00:38:19.940 I don't know either.

00:38:20.200 Like, I need minutes.

00:38:21.460 Also, I feel like their maps lie a lot in New York.

00:38:23.800 Like, they'll be like, oh, 27 minutes, you get in the car, it's two hours later.

00:38:27.200 You're still there.

00:38:27.820 You're not even close.

00:38:29.140 You haven't left.

00:38:29.880 I'm in my hotel room somehow, so I'm like, that's just me being late.

00:38:33.740 I do, as much as I think the train is convenient, it is also a nightmare sometimes, going on

00:38:40.700 the train.

00:38:41.120 I mean, I can't navigate it.

00:38:42.860 Me either.

00:38:43.240 I can't do it.

00:38:43.760 To save my life.

00:38:44.600 No.

00:38:45.020 I hold that phone like my life depends on it.

00:38:46.900 I'm like.

00:38:47.560 Well, then when you go underneath it, I'm like, not right now.

00:38:49.580 Yeah, like, two stops, two stops, two stops.

00:38:51.340 One, okay.

00:38:52.960 Then I'm like, someone's going to be local and see that I'm looking at the map and they're

00:38:56.480 going to, like, predator me or something.

00:38:59.180 They're going to be like, oh, she's a Taurus. 0.97

00:39:01.380 Let's get her. 1.00

00:39:02.080 No, literally.

00:39:03.080 What's so funny, this is off topic, but not really.

00:39:04.760 When I was on the subway last in New York, because I was just there like a week ago,

00:39:09.000 there was a girl who saw me on the train and she recognized me only because I saw her

00:39:13.680 go, oh, like that, right?

00:39:15.060 And I'm like, okay, T.

00:39:16.180 It's good indeed.

00:39:16.820 And so I didn't say anything.

00:39:18.480 I'm standing there with, like, my team.

00:39:20.300 We're standing there and I hear her telling her friend, I know that girl. 1.00

00:39:24.560 I know that girl, right?

00:39:25.380 And I'm like, I'm just ignoring it.

00:39:26.980 I'm trying to.

00:39:27.720 Pretend like it's just.

00:39:28.800 And then I see her pull out her phone and she's literally trying to look me up, but she

00:39:33.000 doesn't know my name.

00:39:34.140 Perfect.

00:39:34.400 So she's going like, girl on TikTok, who?

00:39:36.540 And then she's, like, deleting it.

00:39:37.620 She's like, girl on TikTok.

00:39:38.520 No.

00:39:39.140 And she's deleting it.

00:39:39.900 She goes, and I could hear her telling her, remember, she does, like, I forget what she

00:39:43.680 does, but she does something like that. 1.00

00:39:44.960 And I'm like, hey, girl, you're not whispering nearly as quiet as I think you think you are.

00:39:49.100 I can hear your entire conversation.

00:39:51.220 And I'm literally standing up right in front of her.

00:39:54.360 Like, smush in the subway.

00:39:55.040 You, like, put on a hat and a mustache and you're, like, telling her what she does.

00:39:57.760 Yeah, I'm like, oh, I think her name is.

00:40:00.560 I'm like, who said that?

00:40:01.700 I'm like, oh, my God, lots of fans.

00:40:04.200 You're talking about me?

00:40:06.700 So do y'all get recognized?

00:40:08.260 Like, do you have funny recognized stories?

00:40:09.980 I feel like that's, like, one of the silliest parts of these jobs.

00:40:12.680 I'm very like you.

00:40:13.740 Like, I can feel people be like.

00:40:16.020 And when that happens, I'm like.

00:40:17.220 I'm like, it's on them to come up to me.

00:40:21.560 I'm not going to be like, I saw you clock me.

00:40:23.800 Oh, my God.

00:40:25.000 You were right.

00:40:26.480 Actually, last night, our server, we went to this, like, really cute Italian restaurant.

00:40:30.120 Our server comes up and delivers our drink.

00:40:32.480 She was the bartender. 1.00

00:40:33.320 And the drinks were gorgeous.

00:40:34.740 Until they weren't.

00:40:36.340 That's a whole other podcast.

00:40:38.420 That's our food critic podcast.

00:40:40.480 She's like, I feel like I've seen you somewhere.

00:40:44.040 You look so familiar.

00:40:45.120 And I'm like, girl, I never do this, too.

00:40:47.600 I go, I was on TV one time.

00:40:50.280 And I go.

00:40:53.160 You're humiliating. 0.98

00:40:54.120 I'm gagging. 1.00

00:40:54.660 I'm like, what the hell?

00:40:55.420 I don't even know why I never do this.

00:40:58.080 Usually, I'm like, hmm, I don't know.

00:41:00.260 Me, too.

00:41:00.760 I do that, too.

00:41:01.420 I go, like, oh, I don't know.

00:41:02.400 Probably.

00:41:02.960 But for some reason, I was in a good mood.

00:41:04.800 I was choosing kindness.

00:41:05.820 I was like, let me, like, give a little razzle-dazzle.

00:41:09.440 And then she still was like, no.

00:41:11.980 No, that's not it.

00:41:13.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:41:13.980 She was like, no, that's it.

00:41:14.720 Then I was like, she was like, what were you on?

00:41:16.400 I was like, RuPaul's Drag Race.

00:41:18.360 Yeah.

00:41:18.800 And she was like, no.

00:41:21.820 And you're like, what happens when I do that? 1.00

00:41:23.040 And I was like, and then we just go, but I think this bitch is so gay. 1.00

00:41:27.820 I'm like, that is how girls flirt, bitch. 1.00

00:41:29.600 I'm like, I swear to God, she was flirting with Violet. 1.00

00:41:32.020 Because she was like, it was very like, you are just, I just know you.

00:41:35.840 Yeah.

00:41:36.160 And then you were like, oh, you're probably a big fan of me from Drag Race. 1.00

00:41:38.460 And she's like, no, bitch. 1.00

00:41:39.820 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:40.100 She's like, no, we won't fuck. 1.00

00:41:41.740 Like, I think so, too. 0.98

00:41:43.380 I don't think she was flirting.

00:41:44.540 It was just so weird.

00:41:45.360 Then I just go, I just have one of those faces, I guess.

00:41:49.940 The way it gets awkward immediately.

00:41:51.580 And then I sip a drink.

00:41:52.320 And then she's like, I guess so.

00:41:53.880 It was the weirdest thing.

00:41:57.360 It was the weirdest thing.

00:41:58.180 Oh, okay.

00:41:58.780 To me.

00:41:59.220 I was like, this girl is in it.

00:42:01.760 She wants it.

00:42:02.280 She's in it.

00:42:02.860 I don't know.

00:42:03.220 What about you, Meg?

00:42:04.080 We also play a game, though.

00:42:05.140 Whenever you get recognized and I don't, I always go like, one for you.

00:42:10.780 We always do that.

00:42:12.020 We're like, well, one for you, I guess.

00:42:13.460 Yeah, no, I think I, like, love it because I always, I have this, like, gorgeous Gen Z, like, beyond the binary following that I love to actually, like, talk to.

00:42:27.880 And Violet, like, hates it because I'll be like, so tell me your story.

00:42:30.720 I'm like, oh, my gosh.

00:42:32.260 What's to you, girl? 0.99

00:42:32.940 Because you guys will get, like, in depth.

00:42:33.680 Yes, my blue-haired queen, what is your story?

00:42:36.700 You'll, like, bring people to tears, and I'm like, we're having that talk right now.

00:42:43.660 And I'm like, yes, yes, yes.

00:42:46.660 And I'm sitting back there like.

00:42:51.480 I love that.

00:42:52.500 Yeah.

00:42:52.780 What can I say?

00:42:53.620 No, you love talking to people.

00:42:55.020 I do.

00:42:55.620 I just love talking.

00:42:57.100 Remember that one time we were in San Francisco, and you were in full drag, and you thought she was asking to take a photo?

00:43:03.140 Oh, my God. 0.93

00:43:06.260 We were, like, outside of the hotel waiting for our car in full hooker drag. 0.99

00:43:10.900 Like, period. 0.82

00:43:11.460 Smallest dresses you could ever see.

00:43:12.500 Tiniest little dresses, pumps, wigged, everything.

00:43:15.500 And there's this girl, and, like, it was actually that viral TikTok dress where you, like, pull the thing, and it makes you skinnier looking with the illusion.

00:43:22.860 She's wearing that dress, and she's, like, across the parking lot, runs up to us, and is like, oh, my God.

00:43:29.200 Oh, my God.

00:43:29.780 Can we take a picture?

00:43:30.680 And I'm like, yes, I would love to.

00:43:34.060 Absolutely.

00:43:34.500 And then she hands me her phone and steps to the side, and it starts posing by herself. 0.99

00:43:41.420 And it's like, and I'm like, oh, of you.

00:43:46.780 And I'm like, yeah, yeah.

00:43:49.100 Work.

00:43:49.780 Oh, my God.

00:43:50.940 That looks, the dress is dressing.

00:43:52.540 Why did she run over to you? 1.00

00:43:54.260 I was turning away, like, no clue.

00:43:56.160 And we were in, like, eleganza drag, too.

00:43:59.680 Like, I'm like, yeah, of course we can do a photo gorgeous.

00:44:05.100 It was a humbling.

00:44:06.500 And she's like, thank you so much.

00:44:08.140 No, yeah.

00:44:09.140 And she's reviewing.

00:44:09.860 She's reviewing.

00:44:10.980 She's reviewing.

00:44:11.260 She's like, can you take another one?

00:44:14.400 I can see.

00:44:15.600 I can see your sideburn.

00:44:16.460 She's like, you're a man, right?

00:44:17.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:17.960 Just like.

00:44:18.620 Give me a spot.

00:44:19.500 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:21.180 Dude, the way that that happens to you and makes just there.

00:44:23.780 Yeah.

00:44:24.760 Yeah.

00:44:25.400 Why me?

00:44:26.420 I'm always being clocked, and you're just there to witness.

00:44:30.000 And Vic was just dying laughing.

00:44:32.080 A bystander.

00:44:32.460 Yeah.

00:44:33.140 That's crazy.

00:44:34.260 That was a funny one.

00:44:35.360 I feel like.

00:44:35.800 And I feel like, too, sometimes they, like.

00:44:38.480 I feel like fans, a lot of times they have, like, the best of intentions.

00:44:42.280 They just get nervy.

00:44:43.460 But maybe that was, like.

00:44:45.360 Maybe she wanted to ask for a picture, and then maybe she thought. 0.99

00:44:47.580 Maybe she was turning it out on me, and she was like, I'm going to get this bitch. 1.00

00:44:50.620 And this is a funnier story. 0.99

00:44:51.860 And she was right.

00:44:52.980 And you won.

00:44:53.740 And you won.

00:44:54.460 You win.

00:44:55.080 You got me.

00:44:56.820 She's on Drew's podcast.

00:44:58.040 Period.

00:45:04.520 Speaking of drag, right. 0.78

00:45:06.620 We're talking about the art of high fashion in drag, right?

00:45:09.100 So, obviously, y'all are, like, huge fashion queens, right? 0.54

00:45:12.800 That helped bring, like, a very high fashion element to drag.

00:45:16.820 So, what would you say was kind of, like, that process for both of you when you were

00:45:20.860 kind of creating looks?

00:45:21.960 So, like, obviously, your drag evolves a little bit as you, I'm sure, as you get more seasoned

00:45:26.600 and you start having a lot more experience.

00:45:29.180 So, like, what has that, like, process been like for both of you when it comes to, like,

00:45:33.280 costuming, wigging?

00:45:35.000 I mean, my, it's like, when I, if you don't know me, I'm a transgender man, first on drag

00:45:41.460 race.

00:45:42.160 You're kidding.

00:45:42.940 What?

00:45:43.780 Surprise, if you didn't know.

00:45:45.020 Whoa.

00:45:45.460 I know.

00:45:46.540 Unclockable.

00:45:47.820 You are unclockable to me.

00:45:49.420 Stop, queen. 0.50

00:45:50.100 Honey, you have a full beard right now.

00:45:51.740 Yeah, for real.

00:45:52.460 Okay.

00:45:52.900 I didn't ask for compliments.

00:45:54.160 I was just saying.

00:45:55.200 Thank you.

00:45:56.940 But, so, what was I saying about that?

00:46:00.260 That's pretty much it on that.

00:46:01.940 But when I started doing drag, I just wanted everything.

00:46:05.580 I just thought I had to, like, prove myself that I was just as good as all the cisgender 1.00

00:46:10.040 drag queens out there. 1.00

00:46:11.380 So, I was just over the top with everything and it was so just dragoon out of my mind.

00:46:16.520 Just, like, drag, drag, drag.

00:46:17.720 Like, the biggest pads and aligners and lashes and it was crazy.

00:46:21.000 It was exaggerated.

00:46:22.060 I was like, leave a little lace.

00:46:23.540 Like, let them know.

00:46:24.260 Like, it was, like, crazy.

00:46:26.700 And then, like, as I got more comfortable with myself and really, like, into the fashion

00:46:31.140 world and, like, taking more control of, like, my life, I guess, outside of drag, I was like,

00:46:36.360 what am I doing?

00:46:37.720 Like, I am, like, fierce in drag and out of drag.

00:46:41.200 And so, I got more comfortable with it and started being more feminine and living and

00:46:45.800 actually helped me out of drag, which is just so, I know, it's so crazy.

00:46:49.400 And then I got, I just got to, like, really go off when that happened.

00:46:53.380 And it's, like, drag was actually my art and not something I, like, hid behind.

00:46:57.200 So, now it's, I know, it's so fun.

00:46:58.880 So, now I just design crazy and it's, like, I get to be more pretty and fashion forward

00:47:04.080 as before I was crazy.

00:47:06.340 Like, watch my season, honey. 0.99

00:47:07.840 It's, like, I'm, like, damn, I was drag. 0.97

00:47:11.620 That's probably all a learning process, too. 0.98

00:47:13.840 It is.

00:47:14.320 And it's always changing.

00:47:15.980 Like, even, like, a month ago, I'm, like, wow, really?

00:47:17.660 That lash.

00:47:18.660 Whoa.

00:47:20.100 It's, like, crazy.

00:47:22.200 Yeah.

00:47:22.660 Thank God for the evolution.

00:47:24.500 I know.

00:47:24.940 I mean, and I think budget also helps.

00:47:27.780 Like, I remember back in the day, I would get, like, a $500 bookie and I'd be, like, yes!

00:47:33.400 I can buy two Amazon wigs.

00:47:36.600 Yes!

00:47:37.760 No rent, just Amazon wigs. 1.00

00:47:39.600 Right.

00:47:39.900 Yes.

00:47:40.900 I mean, I've always really, really been into fashion and so I sort of, like, was hell-bent

00:47:46.860 on getting accepted into the fashion space, which is hard to do. 0.99

00:47:51.340 No shit. 0.88

00:47:51.520 And it continues to be hard to do. 1.00

00:47:53.140 And you went to the Met Gala, girl.

00:47:54.720 She went to the Met Gala, honey.

00:47:56.160 Which is fashion.

00:47:56.520 The first drag queen to go. 1.00

00:47:57.940 Period.

00:47:58.220 I know.

00:47:59.360 But similar to the birthday parties, there's always that one person on the inside who's,

00:48:04.480 like, really, really into you or really into drag and that's the same with the fashion

00:48:07.860 industry.

00:48:08.240 It's, like, there's only a few select people in the industry who really understand what

00:48:13.280 we do as artists, what we do as multidisciplinary artists and can appreciate sort of the fantastical

00:48:19.280 creative, like, aspect to it.

00:48:22.020 And they see the correlation between the fashion world and creative directing for, like, a major

00:48:26.140 brand and then creative directing your drag character.

00:48:28.580 It's, like, there's so much parallels.

00:48:30.660 So I've been lucky enough to really, like, get some allies in the inside of the fashion

00:48:36.220 industry.

00:48:36.580 That's really the only way you can get in there.

00:48:38.240 Yeah.

00:48:38.660 You gotta really, like, force your way in there.

00:48:40.240 You gotta force your way in.

00:48:41.280 And being in the room and showing up is, like, definitely, like, I would say, like, 75%

00:48:46.520 of the...

00:48:47.500 For sure.

00:48:48.000 ...of the zhuzh.

00:48:49.000 Yeah.

00:48:49.340 And then, like, looking correct and having a fresh perspective on drag and constantly

00:48:53.800 keeping it fresh.

00:48:55.620 Yeah.

00:48:55.980 Which is fun for me.

00:48:56.880 Yeah.

00:48:57.060 But it's a lot of work.

00:48:57.900 Even with, like, the art of drag, though, is so influential on popular culture, which

00:49:02.360 I feel like people, like, brands and, like, high execs are just now coming to terms with.

00:49:08.740 Oh, and only some of them, too.

00:49:10.140 Yeah.

00:49:10.640 And that's, like, even then it's very minimal.

00:49:13.060 But it's, like, they're just now starting to kind of let the door open just a little

00:49:19.620 bit more.

00:49:20.460 But, like, drag is so influential on every type of popular culture.

00:49:25.760 Like, and it's been around forever, right?

00:49:28.040 Right.

00:49:28.080 But they're just...

00:49:28.940 Some people are just now waking up and realizing that a lot of things that are popular now

00:49:33.380 with, like, Gen Z young millennials comes from drag, girl. 0.98

00:49:37.120 Oh, yes.

00:49:37.860 Oh, my God.

00:49:38.320 So much of it.

00:49:39.500 Oh, yeah.

00:49:40.280 I thought everyone knew, but I guess you're right.

00:49:42.040 People, like, don't...

00:49:42.920 They don't realize.

00:49:43.980 Well, that's what I'm saying.

00:49:44.980 I feel like they...

00:49:45.820 Tea and all the...

00:49:46.500 Even lingo and stuff.

00:49:47.520 Yeah.

00:49:47.600 Yes.

00:49:47.960 Lay.

00:49:48.660 They just...

00:49:49.120 They're so closed off to things they don't understand or have never experienced themselves,

00:49:53.600 I feel like.

00:49:54.180 Right.

00:49:54.640 Especially brands and especially in traditional media.

00:49:57.380 Like, fashion, TV, movies.

00:50:00.000 They're so closed off to what they don't understand and have never experienced or seen before.

00:50:04.140 And I was like, drag has been here for so long, first of all. 0.98

00:50:06.440 And second of all, they've deemed a lot of things that are popular.

00:50:09.780 It's almost like they influence young, especially women, but, like, just anyone who's not an awful 0.99

00:50:14.900 fucking person. 0.99

00:50:16.280 When they become huge fans of drag, they start implementing so many elements of drag into 1.00

00:50:21.440 their everyday life.

00:50:22.440 Absolutely.

00:50:23.220 Like, underpainting's a perfect example.

00:50:25.220 Uh-huh.

00:50:25.880 That's, like, contouring, all that.

00:50:27.700 That comes from the drag world. 1.00

00:50:27.900 Oh, yeah, the makeup, for sure.

00:50:29.540 Yeah, it comes from the drag world. 0.97

00:50:31.000 And it was popularized through, like, cisgendered media, but it came from somewhere else, girl.

00:50:37.540 Yeah, absolutely.

00:50:38.320 Well, even, like, to speak what you were saying, like, a lot of my fans that I meet at Meet

00:50:42.920 and Greed's, whatever, come up with me, they talk about confidence and how watching drag

00:50:47.400 queens has sort of, like, evoked some sort of confidence in their femininity and using 1.00

00:50:52.340 femininity as, like, I mean, I think I weaponize femininity.

00:50:56.340 Like, that's, like, what my...

00:50:57.740 I, like, I want to inspire...

00:51:00.140 Well, who inspires me is, like, really, really strong female-dominant women who, like, know 1.00

00:51:05.000 what they want and go for it.

00:51:06.440 Period.

00:51:06.840 And then I think me embodying that and, like, mirroring it back, when I hear young women

00:51:12.420 especially, like, that resonates with them.

00:51:15.020 It's, like, full circle moment.

00:51:17.140 Like, we get to keep inspiring these, like, strong femme people. 1.00

00:51:20.440 And, like, that's, like, the most rewarding part for me.

00:51:23.240 Yeah, absolutely.

00:51:24.380 Especially with, like, obviously the last couple years have been... 1.00

00:51:27.920 It's been a real war on drag from, like, conservative, awful fucking people. 0.99

00:51:31.740 I talked about that with Gigi a lot, too. 0.99

00:51:34.640 And it's very, very frustrating because it's...

00:51:37.420 Obviously, it's a mask to just attack trans people, but they're trying to get drag queens, 1.00

00:51:42.040 too.

00:51:42.640 But when they have this whole...

00:51:44.180 I was just having this conversation with someone the other day, but when they do this

00:51:47.260 whole, like, drag...

00:51:48.240 They're attacking drag queens and painting them as someone that they're not. 0.99

00:51:51.840 I always think to myself, especially about kids, they're like, oh, I'm just concerned

00:51:54.960 about the kids. 1.00

00:51:55.580 I'm like, you'd be surprised how many drag queens fucking hate kids. 1.00

00:51:58.800 Like, let me tell you something. 1.00

00:52:00.100 All of them.

00:52:01.260 That's what I'm saying. 1.00

00:52:02.220 I'm like, literally so many drag queens fucking hate kids. 1.00

00:52:05.260 They don't want kids anymore. 1.00

00:52:06.200 I literally designed my life specifically so that I would never have to deal with one.

00:52:10.840 They don't want them at the gigs.

00:52:12.360 And then when I see a child, I'm like, oh, yeah, those exist.

00:52:16.620 Yeah.

00:52:16.980 Like, when you see, you're like, that's like one out of 100,000 drag queens.

00:52:21.720 Like, if there even are 100,000 drag queens. 1.00

00:52:23.800 Oh, there are now.

00:52:24.840 Yeah, now there are.

00:52:25.740 All on Drag Race.

00:52:27.060 Every time you say drag queen, there's 20 that pop up.

00:52:29.980 Yeah.

00:52:30.380 That was another question I was going to ask y'all is, like, the evolution of drag.

00:52:34.080 Obviously, drag is so popularized now just in cisgendered media entirely.

00:52:37.420 But, like, have y'all noticed a huge shift as far as, like, a lot more people want to go into the drag world?

00:52:43.800 And they want to, like, be – I'm like, I want to be a famous drag queen.

00:52:46.480 Yeah.

00:52:46.920 I mean, for sure.

00:52:48.120 And I feel like now with, like, TikTok and everything, it's like they're, like, showing the process so everyone can just learn how to do drag so easy.

00:52:55.520 And drag is so much more accessible.

00:52:57.220 It's not the same.

00:52:58.520 I know it's not the same.

00:52:59.760 It's not the same.

00:53:00.420 Like, you can just go on and get, like, the most gorgeous lace front, the most gorgeous corset, the most gorgeous everything.

00:53:06.560 It's, like, much more accessible now.

00:53:07.420 It doesn't mean it's successful.

00:53:09.160 Well, the physicality and the look and the aesthetic is more accessible now.

00:53:13.600 But, like, I mean, I'm real old school.

00:53:15.940 I grew up in the clubs.

00:53:17.240 I was doing it before it was cool.

00:53:19.040 Yeah.

00:53:19.380 I was doing it before it was on Logo.

00:53:21.180 Like, we're talking, like, I'm back in my day.

00:53:24.180 We used to do drag in the dressing room.

00:53:27.540 Yeah.

00:53:28.160 There's, like, some sort of grit element to drag that you can't learn on TikTok.

00:53:33.860 Yeah, that's true.

00:53:34.560 Like, the dressing room shade and reading and learning how to be quick and witty and, like, all those things that, like, I mean, I was raised by wolves in the dressing rooms.

00:53:42.320 Like, truly, like.

00:53:43.840 A thick-skinned girl.

00:53:45.560 They'd be like, you're not wearing those shoes on stage.

00:53:48.640 I love that for you. 1.00

00:53:49.440 Take your ass home and get a real shoe. 1.00

00:53:51.340 They, like, really taught me tough love and, like, it wasn't all, you know, kumbaya back then when I was doing it. 1.00

00:53:58.920 I was, like, I was raised in Atlanta by the house of Brooks, Nicole Paige Brooks.

00:54:03.880 Period.

00:54:04.680 And, honey, it was, like, not like it is today.

00:54:08.980 And I don't think the caliber that's being produced for the younger queens is, I feel like they deserve more almost.

00:54:15.660 I'm, like, you guys deserve those, like, family, chosen family dressing moments.

00:54:22.300 And it's, like, you're behind a screen learning.

00:54:24.240 It's just, like, not the same.

00:54:26.400 Yeah.

00:54:27.240 There's probably a certain life experience that comes with it, too, and that's what you're getting at.

00:54:31.740 It's, like, you should have the life experience coupled with the technique.

00:54:35.720 Because drag is so much more than just looking pretty.

00:54:38.040 You know what I mean?

00:54:38.660 Yeah.

00:54:38.900 And serving, like, looks, like, whether it's fashion or makeup, it's a lot more than that, I feel like.

00:54:44.880 It's true.

00:54:45.260 I mean, historically, it's a lot more.

00:54:47.640 It's really community-based.

00:54:49.220 Yeah.

00:54:49.420 I mean, it's really about, like, finding your tribe.

00:54:52.420 Yeah.

00:54:52.680 And, like, being proud of who you are and all of those things.

00:54:56.020 And looking gorgeous.

00:54:57.460 Yeah.

00:54:58.040 And serving.

00:54:58.820 And serving it up.

00:54:59.440 Yeah, obviously.

00:55:00.400 Off topic, but not really.

00:55:01.540 When you're talking about, like, shade and reading and all of that, I was just telling someone,

00:55:05.860 I forget who it was, but I was talking about, like, because, you know,

00:55:08.580 a lot of drag queens, especially on my show, they've talked about how, like, you know,

00:55:11.880 like a Party City wig, bachelorette kind of thing at the drag show, most annoying girls 1.00

00:55:16.120 there.

00:55:16.740 Because they're like, I love drag.

00:55:18.420 I love drag.

00:55:19.400 And they don't know anything about it.

00:55:20.600 But they're, like, obnoxious and they bother you and they interrupt your set.

00:55:23.840 Whatever.

00:55:24.160 And we've kiki-ed about that here on the show, which is so funny.

00:55:27.240 But I was saying, a lot of times those girls are the girls that are like, oh, drag queens 1.00

00:55:30.560 love me.

00:55:31.300 Like, gay men love me.

00:55:32.700 Of course.

00:55:33.420 They love me.

00:55:34.060 Of course.

00:55:34.260 Like, they totally get me. 1.00

00:55:36.040 Which makes me laugh, because I'm like, if you hung out with any drag queens, your fucking 1.00

00:55:42.020 feelings would get hurt, girl. 0.99

00:55:43.080 And you wouldn't be wearing that wig.

00:55:44.700 That's my point.

00:55:45.680 I'm like, they are the meanest people alive, which is why I love them personally. 0.97

00:55:50.720 And I was like, and the funniest bitches alive and so talented. 1.00

00:55:54.180 And I was like, that's why I love them. 1.00

00:55:55.880 And they fuck with me because I can take a joke. 1.00

00:55:58.820 But that's why I was like, the mean shit, I'm like, that's part of it. 1.00

00:56:01.880 Oh, that's 100% part of the culture. 1.00

00:56:03.840 You gotta get a really thick skin.

00:56:05.760 Well, I love the videos of drag queens performing at, like, a brunch or something.

00:56:09.740 And there'll be just, like, a girl will, like, get up and go, like, not be paying attention.

00:56:13.440 And the drag queen will just, like, do a pirouette and, like, shove the girl. 1.00

00:56:17.520 Sometimes to the point where I'm like, how did they even do that?

00:56:20.160 Like, you just hospitalized that woman.

00:56:22.380 Yes, it's crazy.

00:56:24.100 I mean, it's fabulous for entertainment.

00:56:25.660 I hope the girls are okay.

00:56:26.820 Yeah, yeah.

00:56:27.660 I feel like, and that's why I was like, y'all don't know anything about hanging out with drag queens

00:56:31.840 girls, girl, they're mean. 1.00

00:56:33.580 Everyone's on their own journey.

00:56:34.840 Hopefully those synthetic wig girls will, you know, elevate and grow. 1.00

00:56:40.200 And, like, we all have to grow.

00:56:41.260 And I'm sure the next time they go to a drag show, maybe they'll wear a nicer wig. 1.00

00:56:44.880 Or no wig.

00:56:46.120 Or they'll learn.

00:56:46.880 At this point, they'll be on drag race pretty soon.

00:56:49.100 Those are also the ones that, like, hug you by your wig.

00:56:51.940 Oh.

00:56:52.140 And they, like, grab your neck.

00:56:54.380 And you're like, oh, oh, careful.

00:56:56.180 Oh, my wig.

00:56:57.520 Careful, careful.

00:56:59.080 Girl, speaking of hugging, sometimes when people take pictures of me, because I'm a

00:57:02.360 big girl, like, I'm tall.

00:57:03.740 And I feel like a lot of times when people meet me in person, they're like, oh, you're

00:57:06.320 tall.

00:57:07.480 Like, they think I'm, like, 5'6".

00:57:08.960 I'm like, oh, girl, no.

00:57:10.440 I was 5'6 when I was 15. 0.99

00:57:12.020 But I was like, now I'm six feet tall, so I'm like, I'm a big bitch. 0.98

00:57:16.220 And sometimes when they take pictures of me, they'll emphasize how much bigger I am. 0.99

00:57:19.940 They're like, oh, you're so much bigger than me.

00:57:21.360 You're so much bigger than me.

00:57:22.160 I'm like, first of all, relax.

00:57:23.860 Second of all, let's just take this pic, girl.

00:57:25.580 Yeah, zip the lip and splash the flash. 0.96

00:57:28.620 This is one of the worst things they do to me, though.

00:57:30.520 And it's so specific to me.

00:57:32.200 But, like, they'll pose with me and they'll hold me like this.

00:57:36.400 You know what I mean?

00:57:36.840 Like, and they'll put, like, the little shoulder up.

00:57:38.840 Like, and I'm like, well, don't hold me like I'm your man.

00:57:42.160 Like, a prom pic. 1.00

00:57:43.680 Yeah, girl, don't do that shit to me. 1.00

00:57:44.860 Bitch, that's what I do. 1.00

00:57:45.700 When there's a male in our meet and greet line, I'm always, like, yeah, a little feminine 1.00

00:57:49.800 diva.

00:57:50.640 Like, prom picture.

00:57:52.100 Love that.

00:57:52.540 Yeah.

00:57:52.720 And I was like, well, I'm not a man in the line.

00:57:55.520 So, like, don't hold me like that, girl. 0.91

00:57:57.940 I was like, just stand next to me normal.

00:57:59.920 You don't have to hug my tummy.

00:58:02.160 It's like a pregnancy photo shoot. 0.96

00:58:04.520 Like, leave me alone, girl. 1.00

00:58:06.120 Oh, my God.

00:58:06.480 That is so funny.

00:58:07.680 Yeah.

00:58:07.880 So, this is one of the TikTok videos that I was tagged in that's applicable to our topic.

00:58:20.940 And I'm just going to describe it for us.

00:58:22.760 So, it says, the caption of the video is, get ready with me, avant-garde edition.

00:58:27.080 And the drag queen in the video creates their own high-fashion look from their bedroom with 1.00

00:58:31.500 a dress, corset, and mask over their face.

00:58:34.100 Okay.

00:58:34.740 Period.

00:58:35.500 And then, um, the comments are hate comments, obviously.

00:58:38.560 No. 0.97

00:58:39.000 Because when cis straight men see drag, their pee-pee wiggles a little. 0.98

00:58:44.060 And then they get mad. 0.98

00:58:45.240 You can't handle it.

00:58:45.680 And then they write hate.

00:58:46.940 Right.

00:58:47.340 It's what it is.

00:58:48.040 Yeah. 0.99

00:58:48.480 And, uh, this first comment says, giving man get a damn jeans and t-shirt, really? 0.98

00:58:54.860 The funny thing about that is they're using drag lingo. 1.00

00:58:58.460 It's giving man.

00:58:59.580 It's giving man.

00:59:00.220 Okay.

00:59:01.060 They're like a Gen Z straight person. 0.53

00:59:03.220 Like, they don't know the lingo has, like, it's a cruel circle.

00:59:07.880 If I was a straight woman and my straight boyfriend's, he goes, I don't know, it's giving man.

00:59:13.500 Like, I don't know, Gorge. 1.00

00:59:16.420 It's giving you take it in the ass. 1.00

00:59:19.020 It's giving man. 1.00

00:59:20.260 It's like, okay.

00:59:21.780 Okay, queen.

00:59:22.860 That's why I'm like, well, most drag queens know they're a man, so. 1.00

00:59:25.920 It's part of the allure.

00:59:27.120 Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

00:59:28.720 They know they're a man.

00:59:29.640 That's kind of the thing.

00:59:30.960 It's giving man.

00:59:32.040 I love that. 1.00

00:59:32.800 Get a damn jeans and t-shirt. 1.00

00:59:34.740 But also, because that's what men give. 1.00

00:59:36.900 Because that's what they give.

00:59:38.720 Good old Levi's and a t-shirt.

00:59:40.720 Classic.

00:59:41.280 One thing about them, they're going to give you jeans and a t-shirt.

00:59:43.300 James Dean.

00:59:43.960 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:44.860 I can count on men for anything.

00:59:46.760 Jeans and a t-shirt.

00:59:47.580 And hate crimes.

00:59:48.360 Hate crimes.

00:59:48.680 Two things you can be certain they will give you.

00:59:52.780 Every single time.

00:59:54.280 This one says, why are you girls encouraging such behavior? 1.00

00:59:58.360 Which I'm assuming it's like.

00:59:59.540 Oh, girls. 1.00

00:59:59.960 How do they spell girls? 1.00

01:00:01.440 With a Z?

01:00:02.820 It's like girl.

01:00:03.760 Yeah, G-W-R-L. 1.00

01:00:04.560 How are you girls?

01:00:05.580 Girls.

01:00:06.500 It's giving girl.

01:00:07.680 Girl.

01:00:09.040 I think it's, okay.

01:00:10.240 I think it's because there's a lot of hype.

01:00:12.020 Like, all the girls are like, yes, give it to me.

01:00:14.620 And then he's like, why are you girls encouraging such behavior?

01:00:17.500 I mean.

01:00:18.520 What is this behavior?

01:00:19.540 Ugly.

01:00:20.480 Just say that. 0.91

01:00:21.720 If you can't give.

01:00:23.120 Well, if you don't.

01:00:23.820 The girls that get it, the girls that don't, don't. 0.98

01:00:26.120 Everyone plays their little troll role in life.

01:00:28.600 Yeah.

01:00:28.980 I don't.

01:00:29.380 That's what I'm saying.

01:00:29.920 I'm not knocking your jeans and t-shirt.

01:00:31.540 That's all I'm saying.

01:00:32.220 I am.

01:00:33.800 Yo, I'm going to.

01:00:35.040 You can count on me for that.

01:00:36.780 And this last comment says, why gays are everywhere in TikTok trying makeup dresses? 0.96

01:00:42.200 We don't care. 0.91

01:00:43.400 Okay.

01:00:44.020 Well, it sounds like you do care.

01:00:45.520 Well.

01:00:45.820 Cared enough to comment.

01:00:46.580 Yeah.

01:00:47.020 It's a for you page, baby.

01:00:49.180 It's populated by what you like.

01:00:50.880 Yeah.

01:00:51.320 So you interacted with something similar. 0.89

01:00:54.980 Why gays are everywhere. 0.95

01:00:57.420 We're everywhere. 0.97

01:00:59.120 Looking in the mirror question.

01:01:00.520 No, for real.

01:01:01.180 Maybe you should be asking yourself that.

01:01:02.660 Why you're seeing gay everywhere. 1.00

01:01:04.820 I see gay people.

01:01:06.160 Yeah. 0.98

01:01:08.840 Why gays are everywhere. 0.95

01:01:10.400 Okay. 0.96

01:01:11.020 The funny thing about that is whenever homophobic people are like, oh, everybody's gay now.

01:01:14.620 Um, it's like, well, people have been gay for a very long time.

01:01:16.900 Yeah.

01:01:17.420 And everyone is a little gay. 0.93

01:01:19.500 So. 0.96

01:01:20.680 Don't know what to tell you.

01:01:21.740 I know.

01:01:22.640 Well, sorry.

01:01:23.420 Sorry.

01:01:23.680 I had to be the one to tell you.

01:01:24.820 Yeah.

01:01:25.040 I had to be the one to break it to you.

01:01:26.220 I think they're learning in real time in the comments.

01:01:29.480 Right.

01:01:30.220 That's why I think like even when you go like so, so, so far back, people were so gay. 1.00

01:01:35.160 Right. 0.96

01:01:35.580 They were even gayer.

01:01:36.960 Honestly.

01:01:37.460 Oh.

01:01:38.000 That's true.

01:01:38.560 The ancient Greeks, honey.

01:01:40.260 Those vases.

01:01:41.320 Let me tell you.

01:01:42.260 And it's a known historical fact.

01:01:44.140 Yeah.

01:01:44.880 Before colonization, before gender binary was even introduced in the first place. 0.72

01:01:49.660 Gay. 0.98

01:01:50.080 Everyone was gay. 0.97

01:01:51.040 Gay. 0.98

01:01:51.240 Gay. 0.98

01:01:51.500 Gender nonconforming. 0.98

01:01:52.680 Gay. 0.98

01:01:52.700 Gender nonconforming and gay. 0.97

01:01:53.880 That is so true.

01:01:54.860 It's always been around.

01:01:56.000 It always will be.

01:01:56.620 Like the gender binary and like the idea of like, oh, people are only heterosexual.

01:02:02.500 That was where like man made inventions.

01:02:04.760 Absolutely.

01:02:05.420 So like, sorry.

01:02:08.040 Well, and it's found in other, is it mammals?

01:02:11.680 Other species.

01:02:12.800 Other species.

01:02:13.640 Yeah.

01:02:14.100 Homosexuality. 0.96

01:02:14.900 Absolutely. 0.97

01:02:15.680 The guys are at the zoo like.

01:02:17.840 They're like, no way.

01:02:20.140 They're like, they're holding a Bible.

01:02:21.940 Yeah.

01:02:22.900 You have to do this.

01:02:24.600 No.

01:02:26.700 That's, and that's why I'm like, they're great, great, great, great, great, great, great. 0.99

01:02:30.080 Grandparents are probably gay. 0.99

01:02:31.160 Yeah. 0.99

01:02:31.620 Sorry.

01:02:32.240 Yeah.

01:02:32.600 Sorry.

01:02:32.920 Don't know what to tell you.

01:02:33.380 And they probably are too.

01:02:34.220 It's genetic.

01:02:34.560 It's, you're born like that.

01:02:37.160 Yeah.

01:02:37.820 Yeah, probably.

01:02:46.340 Okay.

01:02:46.780 Just to wrap us up.

01:02:48.100 We didn't, we talked about it a little bit. 0.93

01:02:49.720 Not as much as we were laughing so fucking hard.

01:02:51.780 But what would you guys say is like your best piece of advice for people who are looking

01:02:56.120 to kind of elevate, maybe if they want to be in the drag world, first off, right? 0.97

01:03:00.220 First part of the question.

01:03:01.120 Second part is if they're already in the drag world and they want to elevate, maybe get to

01:03:04.640 the next level.

01:03:05.200 Like what you were talking about.

01:03:06.300 First drag, we can go to the Met, right?

01:03:08.100 Um, for both of you being so successful in your careers respectively off of drag race, what 1.00

01:03:12.560 would you say is your best piece of advice for them?

01:03:14.820 Whether they're getting started or they're already there?

01:03:16.420 People always ask me this, like, how do I get started in drag?

01:03:19.680 And I'm like, if you haven't started already, girl, don't.

01:03:22.400 Probably not for you.

01:03:22.840 Like, if you have to ask for advice, it's probably not for you.

01:03:28.620 That's tea.

01:03:29.380 Like, seriously.

01:03:30.040 That's a good point.

01:03:30.700 Because like my body just like did it.

01:03:33.680 Needed it.

01:03:34.320 Like I was putting makeup on.

01:03:36.300 Like drawn to it.

01:03:37.260 Like it just happened.

01:03:38.640 Like it's not, I didn't have to check in with someone about advice or like look at a

01:03:43.220 tutorial or a TikTok.

01:03:44.700 Just to get started.

01:03:45.500 My body was like, there's the lipstick.

01:03:48.820 Like put it on.

01:03:49.880 You must put it on.

01:03:50.720 And like, like, I don't think if you need advice to start something, I don't think you

01:03:56.340 should, I don't think it's for you.

01:03:57.720 Right.

01:03:58.220 That's tea.

01:03:59.040 Like you just do it.

01:04:00.080 Very Nike.

01:04:00.880 Yeah.

01:04:01.420 And I think nowadays too, it's like, like we were saying how everyone's learning off of

01:04:06.120 online sources, how to do drag.

01:04:08.380 I think just really find what makes you unique and run with that girl.

01:04:12.080 Because if you're just like one of the dolls.

01:04:15.260 Yeah.

01:04:15.460 I'm like, it's just kind of.

01:04:16.640 No, they all start looking.

01:04:17.760 And it's like, it's become so commercialized and homogenized.

01:04:22.220 And I'm just like, babes.

01:04:24.340 Like, again, Brack and Marty.

01:04:26.320 Like everyone had their like own angle, their own stamp, their own signature.

01:04:30.860 Well, that was the beauty of drag, right? 0.88

01:04:32.020 Right.

01:04:32.200 Which was just like the uniqueness of it.

01:04:34.140 Yeah.

01:04:34.580 The pageantry of it.

01:04:35.640 It was very.

01:04:36.120 Also, I saw, I know one of my, one of my friends who's a drag queen. 0.89

01:04:40.540 She was saying too, it's become very like, everyone wants to be very fish, like very

01:04:45.220 pretty, very.

01:04:45.680 Oh, we were just talking about this.

01:04:47.020 Yeah.

01:04:47.360 Like it's, it's like the art of it is getting a little lost.

01:04:51.180 Diluted.

01:04:51.560 Yeah.

01:04:51.760 It's getting very, it's watered down a little bit.

01:04:53.800 Yeah.

01:04:54.060 It would be pretty queens. 0.98

01:04:55.440 Even like, we were saying like cis women are in more drag than drag queens now. 1.00

01:05:00.460 You're looking at her.

01:05:01.360 Yeah, honey.

01:05:02.160 You look amazing.

01:05:03.420 Like, it's, it's true though.

01:05:06.040 And then it's like.

01:05:07.020 And that's probably part of the commercialization of it.

01:05:09.340 Yeah.

01:05:09.680 You want to be, people want to be marketable now, especially.

01:05:11.920 And it's like, I think this, the, the capitalism of it all.

01:05:17.520 It's like, you want to be marketable.

01:05:18.880 You want to be like palatable.

01:05:20.880 You want to be all these things for, so that hopefully one of these brands can like get

01:05:26.440 you in there and you want to be like, really like, and that's just like not what the essence

01:05:31.360 of drag used to be and where it came from.

01:05:33.300 It always was counterculture and always punk.

01:05:35.340 Yeah.

01:05:35.700 So it was just a really interesting time for drag in general.

01:05:40.200 That's two.

01:05:40.900 And then, I mean, I think like, like you said, like having your own signature and your own

01:05:44.800 stamp is.

01:05:45.440 It's so important.

01:05:46.200 True.

01:05:47.040 Just kind of stand out.

01:05:47.920 I don't even get why you would want to be doing drag if you just like looked like everyone 1.00

01:05:51.540 else or like going through the motions.

01:05:53.760 A alien.

01:05:54.640 Yeah.

01:05:55.040 That's, and you know, what's so funny too is that you can look at all, like you, the

01:05:58.640 both of you included and every other drag queen, that's like a legend. 1.00

01:06:02.040 They've been around for a long time.

01:06:03.280 They all have very specific looks.

01:06:05.980 Like, you know exactly who that person is.

01:06:09.020 Nobody else looks like that.

01:06:10.720 The two of you are included in that very specific looks.

01:06:13.640 So it's like, that's to your point, like those are the ones that last the longest,

01:06:18.760 right?

01:06:18.940 And succeed because they're very unique and very different.

01:06:21.400 It's like figure out who you are and then do it on purpose.

01:06:24.660 Yeah.

01:06:25.200 Yeah.

01:06:25.320 Not because it's like popular.

01:06:27.140 Yeah.

01:06:27.420 Do it because you really want to.

01:06:28.740 Yeah.

01:06:29.040 For sure.

01:06:29.600 I love that.

01:06:30.160 Okay.

01:06:30.680 So thank you so much.

01:06:32.480 The amazing Gottmik and Violet Chachki for being on this episode of the comment section

01:06:36.480 show.

01:06:37.340 Where can everybody find you?

01:06:38.700 You can find us on No Gorge, across the board.

01:06:43.220 You can find me at Gottmik.

01:06:45.260 I'm at Violet Chachki. 0.76

01:06:46.740 V-I-O-L-E-T-C-H-A-C-H-K-I. 1.00

01:06:49.880 Period.

01:06:50.560 Slow that down. 0.73

01:06:50.900 D-O-double-L. 0.98

01:06:53.200 And if you don't know where Violet is, just ask an Italian mobster. 0.98

01:06:57.160 They know where Violet is.

01:06:58.180 They will have a loose-leaf seat.

01:06:59.920 If you see that person with a gun, Violet's probably there too.

01:07:04.920 That's how you can find them.

01:07:06.340 Yeah, make sure y'all check out their podcast as well, No Gorge.

01:07:10.320 You can stream it everywhere, right?

01:07:12.060 Yes.

01:07:12.660 And we also have a Patreon where we're offering exclusive mini-sodes.

01:07:17.440 Period.

01:07:17.960 First access to live events.

01:07:19.760 Yeah, we're really connected.

01:07:20.600 We're watching movies.

01:07:22.120 Look at y'all.

01:07:23.480 Patreon too.

01:07:24.540 It's patreon.com slash no gorge.

01:07:26.940 Patreon.com slash no gorge.

01:07:30.360 Patreon.com, yes.

01:07:31.560 Make sure you check out their podcast.

01:07:33.320 All of their socials, Gottmik and Violet are truly awesome.

01:07:36.400 Icons and living legends in the drag world. 0.85

01:07:38.340 So I'm honored to have had you both here today.

01:07:40.320 Thank you so much for coming.

01:07:41.800 Make sure y'all follow them on everything.

01:07:43.320 Stream their podcasts.

01:07:44.480 Do all the things because I told you to.

01:07:46.980 And thank you so much for tuning into this episode of the comment section show.

01:07:50.860 Don't forget new episodes drop every Wednesday.

01:07:53.300 You can stream the audio anywhere you get your podcast audios.

01:07:56.400 Or you can watch the video exclusively on Spotify, which is our favorite streaming platform ever.

01:08:01.160 Thank you so much to my amazing guests.

01:08:02.480 Thank you all for joining us.

01:08:03.700 And I'll see you next week.

01:08:04.540 Bye.

01:08:04.860 Bye.

01:08:05.100 Bye, Gorge.

01:08:05.780 Bye.

The Comment Section with Drew Afualo - December 06, 2023

YOU SERVED, TAXES WAIVED Ft. Violet Chachki and Gottmik

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