The Critical Compass Podcast - Alberta Independence Update & 2025 UCP AGM Recap Rundown w⧸ Martyupnorth

00:00:00.000 the membership is sending a clear message that some of the things that we've done in the last 20

00:00:04.320 years don't work and we need to either just cancel them in some cases like dei policies and stuff

00:00:10.960 like that i mean there was three or four policies that said no more dei perfect there was many

00:00:16.640 policies around getting rid of net zero and fighting ottawa that was clear in there it's

00:00:20.880 like yeah we'll keep getting rid of net zero and fighting ottawa that's cool there was some very

00:00:26.080 pragmatic policies like we want a castle doctrine we want the right we want something entrenched in

00:00:32.560 our laws that make it uh you know people always say you have the right to defend yourself it's like

00:00:36.720 yeah but there's too much discretion for the cops and the prosecutors and we want that discretion

00:00:41.680 taken away so we went down that path yeah very happy about the agm the direction of the province

00:00:47.920 the way danielle's taking us i wish she was more of a separatist at heart but uh we'll deal with that

00:00:54.560 differently i guess we'll do a referendum

00:01:14.320 welcome back to the critical compass my name is mike and this is james and we are pleased to be joined

00:01:18.960 again by a friend of the channel mr martin belanger otherwise known by his stage name marty up north

00:01:25.120 how are you hey you said that super well belanger i people say belanger which i'm used to but belanger

00:01:30.880 is like the right proper french pronunciation cool you're not such a redneck after all i watched a lot

00:01:39.280 you know my my dad was a like i grew up as an oilers fan of course but my dad was always a

00:01:44.560 uh habs fan because he grew up in 16 hockey so we watched a lot of a lot of uh habs games so i got

00:01:50.640 used to the uh the french canadian uh parlance so i do my best hey uh so marty we're um we're coming

00:01:58.880 off a pretty big uh pretty big like five days here you know not quite a week but uh it's been uh yeah

00:02:05.120 it's been pretty eventful we just got back from the uh the ucp agm uh before that there was a uh a uh

00:02:12.000 memorandum of understanding which we'll talk about and and you know even in the week week or two

00:02:16.400 prior to that there were a couple relatively major announcements in uh bill 9 and bill 13 from the

00:02:22.320 provincial government where do you want to start um let's start with the let's start with the agm

00:02:30.640 quickly speaking right let's just let's let's just let's just uh get that out there um the agm was

00:02:36.560 in edmonton um age like what did they say like one it it is one of the largest events political

00:02:43.280 events in canada right i mean the uh last year's last year's agm had 6 000 people plus this year

00:02:49.040 still had 4 400 like that's that's cool right it's a it's uh albertans something ignited in albertans

00:02:57.120 in the last 10 years i think we all know what it is right i mean we we turned otherwise quiet

00:03:02.560 apolitical people into um definitely more engaged what would eva chip yuck say eva would say we are um

00:03:11.840 and we're empowered citizens yeah exactly there shout out to eva yes so you know the the event was

00:03:18.640 awesome um i'm i'm i'm happy to go to an event like that i mean i'm politically engaged already but to go

00:03:26.080 to an event like that and have 4 000 people show up i thought that was pretty it was a pretty good weekend

00:03:30.400 pretty awesome weekend in in that sense yeah and a good venue compared to last year where it was just

00:03:40.160 all on one level and it was if you're sitting in the back you wouldn't see anything um i feel like

00:03:47.040 everybody could see everybody could hear um they handled that 4 000 people it was actually even better

00:03:53.520 than at the bemo in calgary like it was it it it is a perfect venue for that maybe maybe they should just

00:03:59.120 hold it there permanently i know they won't but yeah i agree uh james the the whole arena concept

00:04:04.480 actually if they were going to do it in calgary next time they should probably do it at the um

00:04:08.560 at the olympic plaza or not olympic plaza the um the yeah cop or whatever there's a there's an arena

00:04:15.280 that transforms into a nice stage at cop and they could do it there um but yeah i know it was um um

00:04:23.760 typical well actually where do we want to go i mean um

00:04:30.640 yeah it's your show man where do you want to go

00:04:34.720 hey you're the guest of honor you know you okay all right let's talk about let's let's let's play

00:04:39.760 it chronologically let's be fair let's do it chronologically let's do it chronologically

00:04:44.000 right and i'm going to go back just a wee bit farther on the chronology so about uh what two

00:04:49.520 weeks ago carney announced the second batch of uh nation building projects that were going to be

00:04:58.800 forwarded to the major projects office right and so there was a batch in september of about five

00:05:05.440 projects and then a couple of weeks ago he announced the second batch of six projects

00:05:10.240 and these are all old projects that had been on the books for years that had been stalled because

00:05:15.440 of like you know there's no projects being built in canada for the last decade and we all know why

00:05:22.160 the rules are too complicated the government has passed all sorts of laws that make it difficult

00:05:27.600 to advance projects the political uncertainty has made investors and foreign capital scared to come here

00:05:34.640 so liberals can say whatever they want but uh in under the decade of trudeau leadership

00:05:41.200 they scared away all sorts of development and major projects and now 10 years later we're paying for it

00:05:46.480 so carney does this thing he pretends that he's serious about kick-starting the economy so he

00:05:52.000 announces a whole bunch of old projects that are now going to be passed on to the uh major projects

00:05:57.920 office and under bill c2 the one canada act we're we're suddenly going to fast forward them so after

00:06:04.720 two sets of announcements 11 projects one thing is absolutely noticeably noticeable for me as an

00:06:10.800 albertan for you guys there's no alberta projects on there there's no pipelines there's nothing so

00:06:16.640 people say well the ngl or the lng project in in bc uh the cecilium whatever one that was will will

00:06:25.440 burn uh or will uh liquefy alberta natural gas so alberta got a small victory in there sure you could

00:06:31.280 argue with that but it's pretty noticeable that there's nothing on the list for alberta and um

00:06:38.080 and and and and and so and then leading up to that we remember that a year or during the election in

00:06:45.040 march april premier smith made um a sent out an ultimatum to the future prime minister of the country

00:06:54.400 which uh which turned out to be carny right where she laid out six or seven or nine conditions

00:07:00.080 uh that that needed to be met otherwise it was going to start to what did she say foster or affect

00:07:06.400 the um the stability of the country right so call it whatever you want it was an ultimatum all right

00:07:12.800 so that happens and now we're going into the we're going into the um agm and uh and just before the

00:07:22.320 agm same thing all throughout the year there's a growing independent movement in the country

00:07:26.880 or in the province here actually in the country there's a big independence movement growing in

00:07:31.520 quebec at the time being but there's definitely one growing in in an alberta uh you have two

00:07:38.400 competing identities you have the alberta prosperity project that's touring the whole country the whole

00:07:43.360 province i keep saying the country i'm already thinking of alberta as a country like that's where

00:07:47.760 i'm at right so i gotta get used to say the province but so the alberta prosperity project

00:07:53.760 is touring the province doing these big uh pro separatist movements their popularity is climbing

00:08:00.560 and simultaneously there's danielle smith doing the alberta next panels which are in my opinion i've been

00:08:08.160 to two of them they were they they were making a good case for alberta independence

00:08:13.760 so we're all getting ready we all bought our tickets we're going to go to the agm and lo and

00:08:20.560 behold the day before the agm danielle smith and mark carney announced this weird memorandum of

00:08:27.520 understanding and in the memorandum of understanding basically uh he's he's conceding to a couple of her

00:08:37.600 uh ultimatum demands and he's throwing uh a project our way potentially a pipeline with a bunch of other

00:08:48.000 conditions he removed he agrees to some of her uh removing some of the conditions of her ultimatum

00:08:52.960 he adds a couple more they propose a weird pipeline and everybody sings kumbaya

00:08:59.600 well no not everybody two people sing kumbaya danielle smith and mark carney and um

00:09:08.560 and and then the rest of us are sitting there going like what just happened it took me it took

00:09:12.880 me about a it took me 12 hours lots of talking back and forth to try and figure out what the

00:09:17.600 heck this memorandum was right and and here's my opinion on what that mou was i i just described the

00:09:25.760 events going into the agm smith has her own sort of on you know her own issues she's got a a fracturing

00:09:34.080 party she has a separatist movement and she has a threat of the ndp so she has her own issues carney

00:09:39.840 has a lot of issues right carney has been parachuted into canada to to fix trudeau screw-ups that this is

00:09:46.960 how i view it too by the way like carney is not an independent right he came from europe powers that be

00:09:53.200 non-canadians like big powers that be as far as i'm concerned the same people who inserted trudeau and

00:10:00.400 took him out now realize that somebody like carney has to come and try and fix the problems

00:10:04.320 of trudeau because if they lose if they keep going down this path they're going to lose canada they're

00:10:09.200 going to lose the golden goose and they're going to endanger the agenda 2030 and other things right

00:10:14.400 so canada is a testing ground for some really nefarious stuff trudeau failed carney's brought

00:10:19.840 in yeah trudeau carney's been in power for six or seven months and he's like holy it's worse than i

00:10:26.000 thought right the country is absolutely economically damaged and then you got uh trump gets elected next

00:10:32.560 door and trump's like a beast right he's this massive black hole and he's pulling everybody into him

00:10:38.720 and so if you're hanging on to some weird climate change ideology or whatever the hell you want you're

00:10:44.000 you're gonna that's gonna disappear because trump is against that so carney has his own mess and and he

00:10:51.200 has a minority government and and and he's got an ultimatum so in my opinion carney and smith contacted

00:10:59.200 each other in advance and they're like we need to throw each other a bone and so that's where the

00:11:04.800 memorandum of understanding came in it's a quick quick solution to potentially not to solve any

00:11:11.200 problems but to appear like they're doing something and kick the can down the road and uh and i think

00:11:17.360 it backfired on both of them i've spoken a lot what do you guys think

00:11:23.360 that comes on the tail of like one of the biggest gathering like the biggest conservative gatherings

00:11:31.200 at the legislator for the independence rally thousands were there and i think that was a

00:11:38.080 a loud signal that could not be ignored and that that was less than a month ago

00:11:44.240 so given that backdrop um you could see why it was so important to get the appearance of all these

00:11:51.840 little well and and that's leading into the age yeah and that's danielle's backdrop uh in the day

00:11:57.440 just last weekend the cop 30 in brazil ended and that's you know canada's delegation was one of

00:12:04.320 the larger ones everybody else has given up on cop 30 and out of top 30 there was no no binding

00:12:10.160 agreement right they all um the the the the well i always say this the the cop 30 we're at the point

00:12:18.240 now in in in 30 years of cl of climate conferences and 30 years of climate change like we're finally at

00:12:24.880 the point where ideology is facing reality and reality is winning like we know i've always said

00:12:30.720 that climate change was just a really crappy bullshit ideology you know the the the concept that

00:12:36.880 that the hydrocarbons were destroying the planet and that we needed to wean ourselves off hydrocarbons

00:12:41.840 and that we'd run out of them and peak oil and all that stuff none of their prophecies came through

00:12:46.480 and now um the you know people people are waking up to the fact that the population is increasing a

00:12:53.600 third of the world is coming out of of uh the second world and joining the first world they want what

00:12:58.480 we've had anyway so the uh practicality for for for carney that was a big problem and i agree with you uh

00:13:06.160 james the the rally for um for danielle was a big problem so yeah the the memorandum to me is an

00:13:12.800 absolute nothing burger absolute nothing burger actually in the in the let me go back so i said

00:13:20.640 i said that they both came together and thought let's make the the appearance of doing something

00:13:27.520 which i think it basically kicking the can down the road they both lost carney lost bigger than

00:13:34.080 smith right so carney you know immediately in the aftermath of that carney lost stephen gilbo

00:13:40.960 and i think carney will lose a few more mps between now and christmas and when parliament resumes in the

00:13:47.360 new year he'll have he'll have lost three or four mps he's going to lose he's lost gilbo he's going to

00:13:54.080 lose um bill blair who's going to go become the high commissioner to england melanie joly is going to

00:13:59.920 become the ambassador to france i think there's a few ambassadorships that have to be filled and then

00:14:05.920 the liberals in ontario are having their own leadership race so people like karina gould and

00:14:13.520 nathan uh eskier and some of the other ones have already said that they intend on running in the

00:14:18.000 leadership race of the liberals you might even have somebody uh so you gotta you got a few people like

00:14:23.760 that so carney so i think carney lost big with his mou uh elizabeth may went as far today as saying

00:14:31.520 you know she's having second thoughts and uh she shouldn't have voted for the budget really lizzie

00:14:35.920 like like like okay sure um uh eve blanchette has been absolutely slamming this um eb is no fan of the

00:14:45.040 of the of the mou like nobody's in favor of it and and i go on french twitter and the quebecers are

00:14:51.760 absolutely angry about this they feel betrayed um so carney lost a lot oh no yeah um maybe that's even

00:15:02.800 uh that paints the case for like why alberta negotiating with ottawa is gonna ultimately

00:15:10.000 fail if every little win or a common ground is seen like a if it feels like a loss to anybody in

00:15:17.280 the east then what are we doing trying to make all these little excellent point if it's not even

00:15:24.240 politically excellent point we like it's not politically nobody cheers any wins for alberta

00:15:30.160 ever like exactly i mean if alberta wants a separate pension plan that's bad quebec wants

00:15:35.440 a separate pension plan good for you alberta wants to separate you guys are evil quebec wants to

00:15:39.920 separate you're absolutely right like we we cannot have any nice things in alberta which is why at one

00:15:46.400 point i wondered if danielle wasn't playing carney right because he looked so bad but then i had to

00:15:51.760 look at her and go no you you she took it on the chin too right we'll get into details it it came out at

00:15:57.360 the agm i mean she she was basically booed for the mou she i i don't know if she's convinced that it's

00:16:04.080 good the way she spoke about it she seemed to be in favor of it she gave up something i mean she gave up

00:16:09.440 on um well she didn't give up on the carbon tax right she's gonna she's arguing that the carbon tax

00:16:15.840 was the industrial carbon tax was set to climb and she sort of got a slightly better deal on the carbon

00:16:24.000 tax so she's gonna say i didn't really lose um she won by by getting no emission caps but she still

00:16:31.120 has uh a few other things so if she if if you look at what she gave up and the potential return okay it's

00:16:39.200 a pretty good deal and uh and and i would have made that same deal perhaps if i was her uh looking at

00:16:46.720 for me i would have made the same deal for different reasons i would have looked at carney like i'll make

00:16:50.160 any deal with you because you're gonna it's gonna you're gonna lose and it's gonna make you bad look

00:16:54.560 bad and you won't be here in three years so i would have made those deals i also would have made those

00:17:00.000 deals because i believe that practicality is going to always win out on on on um ideology so um in

00:17:08.960 practicality for us in our case is the fact that the world wants our oil and and no matter what our

00:17:14.000 oil will get to market because there's a because people want it so um yeah so the the the two sides

00:17:20.800 made the deal and then and then and then we went to the agm so just just one final just question on

00:17:28.400 that before we move on to that so do you think this and sorry if you sort of actually already answered

00:17:33.120 this in kind of a a different way do you feel that like do you feel that both smith and carney both

00:17:41.040 sort of feel like they're like getting one over on each other or do you think that this is it runs

00:17:46.800 a level deeper than like do you do you think that smith thinks that she's getting a big win and carney

00:17:52.800 also feels like he's getting a big win uh well let me put it this way who do you think actually

00:17:58.000 negotiated at the table in the days before the agm was it carney and smith or was it somebody on

00:18:04.080 carney's team and somebody on smith's team right it was two people yeah it would be a representative

00:18:09.040 from each side which is why the deal is so bad and then they quickly come back and carney goes yeah

00:18:13.520 i'll sign it and smith goes yeah i'll sign it so nobody nobody i don't but it but if it was them

00:18:20.800 negotiating i don't think it uh i don't think either of them would feel like they really got a

00:18:25.520 one up on the other right i mean carney carney is basically she she got a one up on she she didn't

00:18:32.160 sacrifice anything of her own core values i'd say other than maybe stepping back from the ultimatum

00:18:38.000 ultimatums are always dangerous right i mean she she got something she could save face she went as

00:18:43.680 far as saying that she got seven out of nine items on her ultimatum i i call you know that's a stretch

00:18:49.680 i mean maybe three or four out of the nine i because uh bill c69 didn't change the tiger the tanker band

00:18:56.960 didn't change um you know there's some very specific ones that that they promised to change

00:19:03.520 but um so she she didn't sacrifice too much he really went back on his values i mean suddenly

00:19:09.920 he's pro oil he's pro uh he's thinking of reversing some policies he's uh he went back enough that that

00:19:17.760 gilbo quit and i don't think that was just um showmanship by gilbo i i think gilbo is honestly pissed

00:19:24.720 off he's like you know no more electric vehicles no more but but the reality again is that gilbo's idea

00:19:31.600 gilbo's things that they impose they're ideological right like there'll be no electric vehicles by 2035

00:19:38.400 man that's not grounded in any kind of science so and and to me i think carney's reversing himself on

00:19:45.440 those temporarily because let's be truthful right carney wrote a whole book on this you're you're not going

00:19:51.440 to change your stripes overnight he does believe that that climate change is an existential threat

00:19:57.360 and that free markets are out of control and need to be reined in he kind of showed it right like we'll

00:20:04.000 choose the projects we'll choose who does it you have to buy canadian steel canadian lumber labor you

00:20:10.640 know things like that and i think carney is reversing himself temporarily because he's looking around him

00:20:16.960 and he's like eh trump will be gone in three years maybe i'll still be around you know he he's he's

00:20:22.720 selling out but only temporarily

00:20:28.800 and then we went to the agm to the agm yeah yeah yeah yeah let's uh so we were talking a little bit

00:20:36.480 about but about this before we hit record but kind of like i don't know so much stuff happened like i guess

00:20:42.880 maybe we'll start off with sort of what your what your overall uh opinion on the event was like did

00:20:48.960 you think it was well run did you think like it was like you know paced and structured well that kind

00:20:54.800 of thing but like what what did you really think about some of the major like the major policy

00:20:59.520 considerations and the and and different kind of uh important parts of an agm like what do you think

00:21:05.280 about that procedural aspect of it oh god from a procedural execution point of view the agm was brilliant

00:21:11.520 beautifully done like you know uh we the the you show up at the venue it's so well organized the

00:21:18.160 only thing that was slightly the only criticism i have and it's so minute minute is is the over the top

00:21:24.080 security and if they streamline the security a little bit then it would have been a fantastic venue

00:21:30.400 a fantastic event all around for for viewers who've never been to an agm you know on on day one

00:21:37.280 it's um it was a it was it was danielle giving a quick state of the union very quick state of the

00:21:45.120 union and then taking a few questions from the floor which is when jeff rath uh asked this question

00:21:51.600 but we'll ignore that so just mechanically speaking state of the union oh we will get there and then um

00:21:58.480 then after that it's um her bear pit session she called it where um all the uh she puts the senior

00:22:05.840 minister all the ministers on stage and same thing each one of them gives a quick overview of what they've

00:22:10.560 done that's a bit of a raw raw sales pitch i mean that's always a raw raw sales pitch right it's always

00:22:15.280 there and then um and then um uh where's my card what happened after that i'm i'm uh i don't have

00:22:24.480 my agenda yes i do uh let me just think they started some paul's policy uh no the yeah board

00:22:32.960 speeches we had board speeches then the bear pit session which is really good and and the bear pit

00:22:38.560 session is not open there's not a lot of questions right that's them talking to us mostly and then and

00:22:45.280 then there's the uh two three hours of uh policies but they were procedural what do they call them in in

00:22:53.200 governance policies right so so as a as a membership we get to debate governance policies how our how

00:23:01.360 our party does business and that part's a little dry right you got to be a real fan of politics to

00:23:07.040 want to sit in there but i i sat through that a little bit um the next day and and this happens

00:23:12.640 on friday so a lot of people are working on friday so this stuff is good to attend but they realize

00:23:17.600 that of the four thousand people who signed up maybe only you know half of them can go on friday

00:23:22.320 saturday's when the good stuff starts um it started with her uh what's it called keynote address

00:23:30.400 right so danielle smith delivered a keynote address for 30 minutes and and i want to talk about that

00:23:36.240 and then and then after the keynote address we went right into um what it was after keynote address

00:23:42.400 oh all the financial stuff right the annual reports from the board and the committees and stuff like

00:23:47.040 that and then we went into about two hours of policies and so the keynote i want to talk about

00:23:53.520 and the policies i want to talk about like which one do we want to talk about first

00:23:59.680 do the keynote um do you want me let me paraphrase so the keynote the keynote was really cool

00:24:07.040 and by the way and throughout all of this when when i was at the agm it it dawned on me why did she do

00:24:14.800 the mou stunt she shouldn't have done that like it looks like a stunt that backfired if she hadn't

00:24:19.760 done the mou it wouldn't have been brought up she would have had to deal with a little bit of

00:24:23.600 independence talk but there was very little independence talk and i think there's a reason

00:24:27.760 for that um but her state of the union it was 25 minutes and what i loved about her state of the union

00:24:34.640 i had a kind of weird epiphany during the state of the union so for five minutes the first five

00:24:40.240 minutes what she talked about is how much uh we've been fighting ottawa so she went on and on saying

00:24:47.840 it's an exhausting battle we've been fighting ottawa for five years or ten years we fight him at every

00:24:53.280 turn on everything but we're winning the battle so you know we fight ottawa but we're winning the

00:24:59.440 battle trudeau's gone sure trudeau's gone but he's replaced by carney who's supposedly a little more

00:25:04.640 reasonable but carney could be replaced by another lunatic and we we we won the battle and gilbo's

00:25:10.400 been is gone it's like gilbo will be replaced by another lunatic so her definition of winning battles

00:25:15.680 is interesting right you're battling constantly but you're winning wouldn't it be great if we didn't

00:25:20.960 have to battle but that's a different thought so the first thought was that the constant applauses

00:25:26.080 she was getting for battling and and when when people were applauding and giving standing ovations

00:25:33.440 i felt like asking people like so you so you basically agree that ottawa is our nemesis our

00:25:39.040 arch enemy right because you just gave her a standing ovation for it so then she spent 25 minutes talking

00:25:45.920 about uh what some of those victories look like and um and and advancing some what i would say are very

00:25:55.040 um quintessentially albertan things right so she talked about um at a high level she talked about

00:26:03.760 we're gonna introduce a castle doctrine law and we're gonna allow albertans to defend themselves no

00:26:11.280 other province does this we're gonna do this we're gonna she literally criticized health canadian healthcare

00:26:18.240 saying it's been the same model for 60 since the 1960s we're gonna do it differently we're gonna actually

00:26:24.320 allow a larger component of private healthcare i'm like great so um we're gonna she was very proud of

00:26:33.200 all the recent bills to protect children and things like that very you know uh blocking

00:26:39.120 puberty blocker stuff like that protecting children became a theme of what she was proud of

00:26:44.240 and then she would talk yeah yeah then she talked about um um um we'll burn we're back we're gonna

00:26:51.680 burn clean natural gas and it's gonna power ai centers right like we're gonna burn natural gas

00:26:56.880 despite that like nobody nobody else wants it but we're gonna burn it so yes we're proud of our

00:27:01.920 resources she even talked about bringing back coal like so and then what else did she talk we're

00:27:07.360 going to give landowner rights back to people she was proud of the charter of rights that she had

00:27:12.160 protection granted to uh she went on to you know several things like that and she got a standing of

00:27:17.920 she got about five or six standing ovations for things and same thing i felt like asking everyone

00:27:22.800 around me it's like so those are uniquely alberta things right that that nobody else is doing and

00:27:28.080 we're super proud of it so i kept thinking like wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to fight

00:27:34.640 ottawa and could just do all these things and so then you'd ask and i was on the bad side i was on

00:27:39.360 the no side you know the two sides and i literally asked a couple of people so like so why aren't you

00:27:44.640 pro independence why would you want to stay in canada and i never get a satisfactory answer to that

00:27:52.640 like the only answer i get from people is they like having a maple leaf on their shoulder

00:27:57.920 or there's an attachment to the flag yeah like it's it was so it's like it's a nostalgic

00:28:03.280 sense of uh like you're you're tied to the rosy idea of what canada was rather than what it is now

00:28:11.440 and they think it's maybe worth fighting for still they haven't seen the writing on the wall

00:28:17.120 no she was like when i was listening to her i'm like you're the perfect salesman for for uh for an

00:28:23.360 independent alberta she i mean she i get the same reaction from her when i went to the alberta next

00:28:29.520 panels i mean at the alberta next panels when she's like you know we need our own alberta pension

00:28:34.640 plan because we get a bad deal out of the cpp blah blah we're shorted uh we we get a bad deal

00:28:40.240 from the police force we get a bad deal from uh taxation we get she mentions all the things we get

00:28:46.080 a bad deal for but then she always finishes it with but she believes in a sovereign alberta stronger

00:28:53.360 alberta within a united canada so that's a that's a whole topic for another day i don't like i some

00:29:01.200 part of me thinks that she still has to say that just because she's the the premier of a province and

00:29:06.880 she cannot openly say independence that we're going to have to give her that mandate i think she wants

00:29:13.440 an independent alberta maybe she's seen it i mean the way she talks she can't have anything but that

00:29:18.560 realization that we would be better off independent but but i guess uh it's just it would be what's

00:29:25.440 the word like she took an oath to defend whatever um she took an oath to the king and to canada and

00:29:32.080 she cannot talk about independence until the day where we actually have a referendum on the subject or

00:29:37.920 if she got elected and it was a clear even if she put it as a as a campaign promise i don't think

00:29:42.960 she can get elected on that she can a premier in this country can suddenly talk about independence

00:29:49.200 if they get a referendum or well i actually i should correct that i mean i we've we've seen

00:29:57.280 parties get elected on an independence platform actually there has been in quebec right the party

00:30:02.880 does get elected on a clear independence platform and and and some uh some premiers of quebec like

00:30:09.600 jean chretien and jacques parizeau were absolutely blunt about it we're we're separatists and and and

00:30:15.120 we intend to separate so i guess danielle could uh if she doesn't feel that she needs that she has the

00:30:21.520 mandate that's that's something i'm i'm willing to accept and i'm willing to work to give her that mandate

00:30:27.840 um so so so as far as the so the yeah so the state of the union was interesting and um and that's where

00:30:36.960 she got the boo right she got one boo run pretty solid boo during her state of the union when she

00:30:43.120 mentioned the word no the actually the boo was the day before when she mentioned the word a sovereign

00:30:48.720 alberta within an independent um canada that got her a boo yeah she might have gotten more yeah well

00:30:58.480 um well yeah i remember talking about um this is not the time to give up on your fellow canadians and

00:31:06.080 she got a couple yeah booze because she was painting the case for like us fighting ottawa we're

00:31:13.040 winning these battles and then kind of brought it back to we can't give up on canada so i think there

00:31:20.160 is a little bit of animosity there why do you guys think do you have another theory why she might not

00:31:26.880 openly embrace uh separatism or separation

00:31:30.000 well i feel like we've talked about this a lot and i feel like there's i want to think that it's

00:31:38.560 more like kind of what you say like she's just being careful and she's being measured and calculated

00:31:44.880 and and not wanting to uh give the you know give her political opponents any more fodder to try and

00:31:51.040 come after her you know while you know we're we're a year and a bit out from uh from a provincial election

00:31:56.000 but i also heard rumors that you know there there's there's a potential for now this is very very

00:32:03.440 speculative but there she's such a popular figure amongst conservatives in canada that i heard through

00:32:11.040 the grapevine through people speculating that there might be in in this uh mou uh was a discussion

00:32:19.600 maybe you know a personal level discussion of her and ending up being a the leader of the cpc

00:32:28.240 at some time like pierre's a lame duck now you know pierre's not uh he's not going to inspire

00:32:34.160 to come back like the polls aren't in his favor and they want to parachute somebody in that's like as

00:32:38.960 pretty pretty much as high as you can be on on the conservatives uh popularity index right yeah that

00:32:44.800 would be good on a personal ambition point for her i mean that that would be good for her i don't know

00:32:51.200 what that would do for the province if she did that then the province would immediately then then

00:32:55.920 she'd have a battle on her hands because then i think whoever fills the void left by her in this

00:33:00.960 province would be a separatist a true separatist because she'd be yeah because she'd be somehow viewed

00:33:07.440 as a that would that would expose her as a true um a federalist but yeah interesting so

00:33:13.840 um yeah so i i i up until this point everything's good i mean it's uh you know there's a little bit

00:33:22.880 of separatism that got creeped up into the conference but i think most people understand

00:33:29.280 i definitely feel better about uh her state of the union and some of the things that have been

00:33:34.960 achieved and some of the things we're going to talk about the policies that are being proposed

00:33:38.800 i feel really good about generally speaking i feel great about the way she away the way alberta is

00:33:44.560 progressing i feel good about the way the province is moving forward and how she's moving the province

00:33:48.800 forward i feel great about that better than i did last year i mean last year last year i i had a hard

00:33:54.480 time last year getting past the fiscal problems of this province like i really had a hard time getting

00:34:00.800 past that and i'm still having a hard time getting past that but i'm kind of seeing that how

00:34:04.800 uh in the in the current state of things we we we we have to go into deficits we have to keep people

00:34:11.760 happy with the money flowing and while that well while that's the case she's addressing things that i

00:34:16.240 think are actually a little bit tougher to address like property rights gun rights protecting the kids

00:34:22.400 and i think those are things like if you're laying out your battle plans you need to make sure that

00:34:27.040 that that that the family and the kids and and and those things are well taken care of and then you go

00:34:32.640 on to the other battles so i think she's she's taken on the correct battles in the broad political

00:34:39.600 context of our country at this time so i'm very happy with the way the province is moving forward

00:34:44.640 and that she's taking us and i'm happy to keep independence out of the current discussion i'm like

00:34:50.640 i'm totally happy doing that that independence occurs we'll keep talking having the app events and

00:34:55.520 stuff like that and hopefully have a referendum and we can talk about the appropriate time to do a

00:34:59.840 referendum but at the time being i'm happy with the way she's taking the direction of the province

00:35:05.120 and and then i was i was even happier when we started debating the policies like the the 36 policies

00:35:12.480 that were put i was supposed to ask yeah the 36 policies that were put forward i was totally i was

00:35:17.520 like wow there's a again we are being um albertans are sent that not albertans but the membership is

00:35:24.640 sending a clear message that some of the things that we've done in the last 20 years don't work

00:35:30.000 and and we need to either just cancel them in some cases like dei policies and stuff like that i mean

00:35:36.560 there was three or four policies that said no more dei perfect that's just that's just that's just the

00:35:42.000 membership saying we don't that that didn't work that was a you know reverse discrimination all that

00:35:46.800 didn't work so get rid of that um there was many policies around getting rid of net zero and fighting

00:35:53.840 ottawa that was clear in there it's like yeah we'll keep getting rid of net zero and fighting

00:35:58.000 ottawa that's cool um there was some very pragmatic policies like we want a castle doctrine we want the

00:36:05.360 right we want something entrenched in our laws that make it uh you know people always say you have the

00:36:11.200 right to defend yourself it's like yeah but there's too much discretion uh for the cops and the prosecutors

00:36:16.960 and we want that discretion taken away so we went down that path um to the the app the alberta pension

00:36:25.200 plan she was given a mandate that like you need to make this happen i mean she had all sorts of

00:36:30.080 excuses for not wanting to make that happen that policy passed you need to make this happen uh no more pride

00:36:37.120 flags no more um palestinian flags on on public buildings and schools and uh city halls that pass again that's

00:36:46.400 just that's just call us what you want man that's just that's just the membership saying that that's

00:36:52.320 that's a distraction that's that's divisive we don't care like there's a million places where you

00:36:57.520 can fly your pride flag you're just not going to fly them at schools um one that i was really happy to

00:37:03.840 see the past again things that and again you can see how the membership is giving her if if she was not

00:37:09.360 doing it because she didn't have the mandate we're giving her the mandate remember the uh dr uh davidson

00:37:16.000 study the the covid uh man uh mandate study that came out last year which she commissioned but she

00:37:24.560 shelved it right she gets this beautiful 150 page book and it's all shelved and she's not doing anything

00:37:29.760 with it well we gave her policy number i don't know what but saying like you need to start implementing

00:37:35.360 the recommendations from that panel and um yeah so there is a lot of you know i i i what what else was

00:37:43.680 there um oh um oh the speed limit the speed limit no no the speed limit wasn't uh wasn't a policy uh

00:37:52.160 no there's a couple of here's a couple of good policies one that i really enjoyed

00:37:56.240 um you know we told her that you need to re like this idea of using our institutions of higher

00:38:02.880 learnings like our post-secondary institutions that it's a money maker no more of that like you need to

00:38:08.000 prioritize alberta students and that came up like somebody's like well we make a lot of money with

00:38:12.800 that i don't give a shit if you make money and my kids can't go to you know the the next generation

00:38:18.080 doesn't get the benefit of the alberta advantage so we so that came through um um uh policy saying that

00:38:26.720 people um well i don't know the exact wording but stop advancing kids to the next grade who don't belong

00:38:33.920 in the next grade and again that kind of that right that kind of targeted that there's two or three

00:38:39.280 policies that sort of actually there's more than three i i think there's about five policies that

00:38:43.200 sort of seem to target immigrants in general oh god that was right in there bluntly too right

00:38:48.560 we she she mentioned it before the agm that she's going to try and take control of of our immigration

00:38:54.400 but the agm gave her that mandate like um you know we said like no more uh driving tests can

00:39:01.520 only be in english if you don't speak english you don't advance to the next grade uh only you know

00:39:06.880 prioritize uh uh canadian students in universities and a few other ones and then there was a debate

00:39:12.160 on the floor people like well you're going to discourage some immigrants from coming here

00:39:15.760 fine i don't care like if you if you don't if you're not uh if you're not i don't know if you saw

00:39:21.520 what's that saw like when the driving school the language one some white guy said like oh this is

00:39:30.160 this is wrong and then some immigrants said like no they like we need to speak the language

00:39:35.280 so it's like yeah and and and i'm sorry oh that was the other one right we said we voted that there

00:39:40.000 was a policy that said that no no access to um government services if you're a visitor an

00:39:46.800 unsuccessful asylum seeker and a few other categories and again people are like that's going to discourage

00:39:52.560 immigrants from coming here it's like no it's going to discourage a group of immigrants we want the

00:39:57.120 right immigrants to come here and the right immigrants that we want here are the ones with

00:40:00.560 skills uh generally speak the language and uh are ready to integrate quickly like if you're going to

00:40:06.960 come here and you can't do any of those things and it takes a decade sorry but you know go to another

00:40:11.840 country or another province yeah so it yeah it was interesting yeah that was that was really heartening

00:40:18.480 actually to see yeah yeah so yeah which policy failed two two two policies failed um one was a

00:40:27.360 the one that failed was uh the one on uh property rights there was a you know somebody said proposed

00:40:32.960 that only canadian citizens could own provincial property and the way it was worded we knew what

00:40:39.760 they were trying to do but we're like no we got to vote against this because a you didn't specify the

00:40:44.960 kind of property which there are valid reasons for for foreigners to own property you know would i do

00:40:51.360 i want some restrictions sure perhaps but but the scary part of that was it said canadian only canadian

00:40:57.680 citizens can own property which specifically excluded corporations and and you know just a quick show of

00:41:05.040 hands like there's 500 farmers in the room that that own their land through corporations and with this

00:41:10.720 policy you could be excluded from owning your land that way so it's like take that away and reword it

00:41:17.360 and there was another one that failed but i can't remember which other one failed but uh uh which shows

00:41:22.880 that the process work right hundreds of people can suggest policies they get vetted uh they get fine-tuned

00:41:29.600 and then they get um ranked by the membership and then 35 that appear get voted on and and something

00:41:37.360 would be terribly wrong if half the policies got rejected so um so that's good yeah yeah very happy

00:41:45.840 about the agm the direction of the province the way danielle's taking us i wish she was more of a

00:41:51.280 separatist at heart but uh we'll we'll deal with that differently i guess we'll do a referendum

00:41:57.040 so essentially then i guess with the independence like looming in the background we don't know if

00:42:09.040 it's a guaranteed thing so if you're enacting if we're putting pressure and we're making wins along

00:42:16.000 the way then like even if it doesn't work out we're in a better position so yes in a game of chess this is

00:42:23.120 what we want to be doing essentially yeah uh just before you jumped on me and mike were talking about

00:42:28.960 you know in uh in engineering terms we often draw these um um these diagrams these wishbone diagrams

00:42:36.560 where you the you always have a positive negative and then positive negative so you have to think of

00:42:42.720 of uh of of something not happening i mean people talk about the referendum as if it will all

00:42:48.400 automatically win it no you have to put a a a yes no possibility right you can so in the grand scheme

00:42:56.160 of things everything that danielle's advancing for us right now is is useful period it's useful right i

00:43:02.400 mean um hey i mean it's my my ideal win is a separate alberta but if i can't be a separate alberta

00:43:10.720 i certainly do want a really really strong one within canada i just worry you know it's a topic that

00:43:16.480 comes over and over and over i mean i still worry the fact that they outnumber us out east man they're

00:43:21.040 they're there's you know 25 million to our five and they can always vote against us and i i get

00:43:28.400 pushback from this but i think it validates in the agm and other places we are different like people said

00:43:35.120 none of the things you voted are are are very different than what we have i'm like no they're

00:43:39.120 different i mean um the other one we talked about was like uh repealing the no fault um you know

00:43:46.560 alberta is getting ready to do no fault insurance and we and the membership clearly said no no no no

00:43:50.960 no no no no we don't want that i mean that's a fundamental difference from the rest of most of

00:43:54.880 canada almost everywhere else in canada insurance is a provincial and b no fault so we have private at

00:44:01.200 fault insurance uh gun rights are different here like we we we are promoting if if if the other the

00:44:08.880 to the canadians who argued with me online that they're the same as us then why are you doing things

00:44:14.000 differently like the proof is well completely we're just governed differently i'm like you're

00:44:20.000 governed differently because you're electing people and you're telling them to do things differently i'm

00:44:24.480 showing you that we are do we think differently and we act differently we we bring 4 000 people to the

00:44:30.400 agm and we vote on policies and we make our government change direction so there's no excuse

00:44:35.280 so if you're different in the rest of canada then show it by doing things differently like

00:44:42.960 yeah it's it's a it's a mindset that people don't really grab like people think that

00:44:47.200 we're being like you know we said it before like oh we're being redneck albertans or we're being

00:44:52.160 like cocky or being arrogant or whatever but no like if you've done any traveling or if you've lived

00:44:56.960 anywhere else in the country you know that there just is something fundamentally different about

00:45:01.200 the mindset of an albertan versus a a nova scotian or a pei islander uh you know there's just there is

00:45:09.120 and even even a an ontarian or a quebecer like there is there is something that happens fundamentally

00:45:15.600 when you grow up in a province like alberta that has always been an economic engine for a country

00:45:21.600 versus an economic recipient and more of a uh the the the holding place of a managerial or or an

00:45:30.880 administrative type class like they get used to to things being a certain way because they're allowed

00:45:36.800 to have that benefit because of the work that's done elsewhere that they don't see and so they don't

00:45:42.160 develop that mindset fundamentally and it and it's measurable now it's not just it's not just anecdotal

00:45:49.040 it's measurable right like today there was a today or yesterday this week there's a sure it's a report

00:45:54.880 from the fraser institute say what you want whether you like them or not but it's a report from the

00:45:58.640 fraser institute that shows the economic freedom of of all whatever 87 jurisdictions in north america and

00:46:06.560 alberta is the only one that's a second tier jurisdiction when it comes to economic freedoms

00:46:11.920 compared to other provinces and people go what does that mean economic freedom i just gave you an

00:46:15.760 example i'm free to choose whatever insurance i want if you live in other places you're not free

00:46:20.240 god in quebec they're so restricted i mean in quebec if you enter into a lease you can only

00:46:24.560 enter into a lease from july 1st to july 1st like that's in the law you rent an apartment in quebec

00:46:29.520 it's from july to july and so if you leave your part you know and rent control and things like that

00:46:34.400 like i could buy liquor from anywhere i want well that's a good one for quebec i mean quebec's free to

00:46:38.960 buy liquor almost anywhere they want but those are examples right like when you can enter in

00:46:43.760 contracts ages that you can do it the the the number of crown corporations i mean alberta has

00:46:48.560 less crown corporations than any other province so those are all those all contribute to your

00:46:53.440 economic freedom and then that economic freedom directly translates to uh gdp per capita and wealth

00:47:00.240 and other things so um the the the differences between canada between alberta and other provinces

00:47:06.320 are not just anecdotal they manifest themselves in a lot of data a lot of places you see it yeah yeah

00:47:12.640 i yeah so anyways well the the insurance i'll i'll let james hop in here after but the the insurance

00:47:18.400 thing is is perfect example of that because it's you know that that's a like it's just it's such an

00:47:25.040 like a it's a uh the i don't know the word i'm thinking of james you have to cut cut out me stammering

00:47:32.400 here but it's like the epitome of what uh you know when they say you know you take responsibility for

00:47:36.880 your life right because it's not only do we not want government insurance regardless of you know

00:47:42.720 of course i used to work in insurance the only thing that provincial insurance does is it increase

00:47:46.400 prices it never decreases prices but we we want to have the option and also we specifically don't want

00:47:52.400 no fault because we are we are uh accepting of taking on the risk of potentially having our insurance

00:47:59.040 increase increase because of an accident that we're at fault for because we don't want to pay

00:48:03.520 for accidents that we aren't at fault for that's that is the taking of responsibility of your own

00:48:07.760 actions yeah there's one more there's one more piece to to this equation is uh when you when everything

00:48:18.160 becomes either a restricted choice let it be a government decided choice or a regulated choice

00:48:26.480 or it's it's decided for you at that point what happens when the people deciding these choices

00:48:33.600 for you like maybe they they don't have your best interests in mind so like somebody may be

00:48:41.200 happy with all these government programs if they're run by liberals what happens if they're run by

00:48:46.240 another party so essentially if you if you have more choice and it's a private sector you will get a choice

00:48:55.040 that aligns with your values or the way totally the kind of service that you want and you're not

00:49:01.600 gonna run into that counter counterparty risk of somebody you don't like having to make that choice

00:49:08.000 for you and you see this right now in alberta the ndp voters are not very happy with the ucp doing anything

00:49:16.240 but they also don't want private to do anything they just want their guys to do it yeah yeah no a great

00:49:23.280 example of that is the raging debate around pensions right i mean everybody's like yeah i i if i could

00:49:30.000 opt out of the pension i would opt out of the pension i mean the pension you you have to contribute

00:49:34.800 whatever what is it 5.95 of your wages to the pension and your employer does another 5.95 if you're

00:49:40.880 self-employed it's 11 11 man i'll take that 11 and and and manage it myself right now even carny this

00:49:48.640 you know everybody's like it goes with the app right one of the reasons people don't want an

00:49:53.280 alberta pension plan is they trust the the federal government more than they trust the provincial

00:49:58.080 government and carny's about to show everybody that you can't trust any of them so uh yeah no that's

00:50:04.640 interesting with the ndp you're right james uh you know the which is why we it's all it can always be a

00:50:10.880 problem right people bring up the same kinds of problems if we separate if alberta becomes separate

00:50:15.520 then now we'll have new problems then then the problems will be um maybe it'll be edmonton versus

00:50:21.200 calgary i'm like yeah you know what i'll that's the balkanization but i'll i'll take i'll take an

00:50:26.720 independent alberta first and and get rid of ottawa and then we'll deal with the next problem after

00:50:31.760 but yeah that reminds me of my sign actually that we said we were going to bring in and talk

00:50:36.640 about quickly so give me give me a second we're gonna grab it we'll get that nice splash of orange

00:50:41.600 i'm trying to think of which other policy got rejected there was two policies that got um

00:50:46.720 okay so i don't i don't have my headphones on so bear with me this is the sign that uh we're going

00:50:52.000 to take and we're going to try and show around to campuses uh would the alberta ndp build a better

00:50:58.960 uh build a better future independent of a conservative canada and so we got you know a

00:51:04.240 little graphic oh cool and the reason i'll tell you that we we want to do this marty and you can you can

00:51:10.320 let us know what you think of this uh this plan is that we want to see if uh our our nd peers are

00:51:17.840 leftists are they consistent are they are they logically consistent because i've tested it on a

00:51:23.040 couple of my friends who i know are pretty uh pretty liberal-minded and i i don't you know set it up

00:51:29.120 with the sign but i give it you know sort of the preamble and their initial reaction is almost

00:51:34.400 exclusively yeah yeah of course i hate conservatives yeah i wouldn't want to be in a conservative

00:51:38.800 country it's like okay so you aren't fundamentally opposed to independence you just want your team

00:51:43.760 to be in charge it's yeah no that's that's valid um just in a broader sense i can talk to almost

00:51:54.160 anybody and i can get almost anybody to do flips and mental gymnastics trying to defend a position

00:52:01.360 and and people and sorry and politically it's even easier right even this weekend excuse me i had lots

00:52:12.400 of people that were um even even among conservatives i had people that are conservatives and then you

00:52:18.640 quickly see how they get caught up in um um i'm trying to think of a specific example but we had examples

00:52:27.120 where we're getting into the minutiae and i'm like no no no no no we have a we have a core statement

00:52:31.680 here the core statement says you believe in uh being accountable so if you believe in being accountable

00:52:38.720 and you just start there you can quickly see some of the other debates we're having are irrelevant

00:52:44.000 like if you're accountable then i don't need the government to set this standard or that standard

00:52:49.120 or whatever yeah so during the debates and afterwards i got it it's fun to watch how people quickly

00:52:55.680 get caught in a trap like so i think when you do it with uh with ndp socialists you're gonna have fun

00:53:03.920 with that one they're there you're gonna have fun we hope so so when you plan on starting that so it's also

00:53:12.880 depends how cold it is because people are less willing to talk when it's minus 20 and

00:53:17.760 uh we didn't get out before uh well this this weekend was busy well i i guess the part of the

00:53:24.880 reason for the the sign was to even if we went to the u of a with our blue sign that says independence

00:53:32.720 is best for all burdens change our mind people are already defensive they are already a little bit

00:53:39.120 triggered because i i wouldn't expect them to really get really engage with us on that question at that

00:53:47.200 point so we tried to reverse engineer like well how could we get them to engage is there a way of

00:53:53.120 phrasing this that we can talk about the merits of independence because i'm really curious if

00:53:58.960 in the scenario of a orange alberta leaving a fully blue fully conservative canada if they would

00:54:07.120 articulate well yeah like well we've got to protect our values or if they would paint the case for

00:54:14.720 independence at a principled level in in their mind independence is a big thing but i'll i'll i'll i'll

00:54:24.240 go here right one of the interesting like i think i think you're gonna find let me let me think about

00:54:30.240 how to phrase this conservatives are more common sense and conservatives come up with good approaches

00:54:35.360 to problems that's the conservative way right the conservative way is is uh you set up a something a

00:54:41.200 structure and then you improve it slowly the progressive way is not like that the progressive

00:54:46.960 way is everything can be everything has a limited life and eventually you destroy it and then you start

00:54:53.360 again so that's kind of my simple way of thinking about it and um and so and in recent event in recent

00:55:01.600 years conservatives will say that we certain things we did didn't work very well and now we just need to

00:55:06.960 bring him back and change him and i'm afraid that some of the socialists we have in our country

00:55:12.720 especially the ndp they will just oppose a a conservative way for the sake of opposing

00:55:20.880 like i because i don't see like an example was the alberta pension plan like this summer when we were

00:55:25.280 touring or last summer when we were touring around trying to get people to understand that the cons

00:55:29.920 that you know bringing the alberta pension plan here made sense again i couldn't find anyone give me an

00:55:35.440 argument why you wouldn't want to do the alberta pension plan like zero none but almost overwhelmingly

00:55:42.080 they opposed it because there was a conservative idea but what but what is a conservative idea a

00:55:46.560 conservative idea is not a conservative idea a conservative idea is a small improvement to something

00:55:53.840 whereas a a socialist idea is a complete reconstruction so the problem is they can't approve

00:56:01.440 they can't endorse what we're proposing all they can do is suggest a radical improvement but in some

00:56:06.960 instances there is no radical improvement or radical change so you'll catch them in a paradox right away

00:56:12.960 by saying if not alberta independent what there is nothing the only thing you can do for us it's valid

00:56:21.920 is we can we're actually being the progressives because we're saying the experiment failed and we need to

00:56:27.760 do something different if somebody if a progressive was true to their values they would be completely

00:56:33.280 in favor of an independent alberta so it's going to be yeah i look forward to your chats and seeing what

00:56:39.360 you guys find so yeah yeah we we've heard we've heard two specifically on the pension bit like i've

00:56:48.080 personally heard a couple you know major major refrains the first one is usually uh you know

00:56:53.600 both come out of like not actually really thinking very deeply or or or very much at all about it

00:57:01.200 but the first response is usually like kind of a scoff and it's like oh canada would never the the

00:57:07.520 federal government would never give us our funds back and it's like okay well like take that to its

00:57:11.920 logical like so are you saying that you don't think so the federal government is liberal now so you're

00:57:17.280 saying that a liberal government would withhold the money that belongs to albertans that is their pet

00:57:24.400 like they can people don't realize that you can move anywhere like there we have tax treaties with

00:57:29.040 all sorts of countries you can move anywhere your pension is yours wherever you choose to retire

00:57:33.280 they don't know that and so then when they're caught in that because then they then the other the

00:57:38.480 other choice in your you know your decision tree like you're saying earlier then the other thing that

00:57:42.560 you would pivot to is like well so you're saying a liberal government would would intentionally

00:57:47.120 withhold funds from you like for a punitive measure and it's like well no i don't really want to say

00:57:51.280 that because i am a liberal so i don't want to say that the liberal government would do that

00:57:54.880 so then they then they pivot to the third response which is well i don't trust the alberta government or

00:58:00.400 whatever private corporation they would have running it to properly manage the funds okay well that's a

00:58:05.440 different argument but you you then you'd have to also respond with well it's not like it's the like

00:58:10.960 mark carney's not sitting there like picking investments for the day he's not like doing

00:58:15.200 penny stocks so um it's it's a it's going to be a fund regardless and you can point to

00:58:20.640 um you know you can point to aimco you can point to um the qpp you can point to many different

00:58:27.200 large pension fund managers and and you can find similar you know similar returns across the board like

00:58:33.200 it's not like it's a it would be a major concept uh switch you know it's just a matter of really

00:58:38.480 the pencil in the books of like where the money belongs at any given time so it's not like

00:58:44.400 it's it's exactly what you say it's it's opposing it because it's a conservative government putting

00:58:49.600 forward the motion not because there's actually anything fundamentally wrong with the concept

00:58:53.680 yeah yeah we're we're we're tribal at this point right we're we're absolutely tribal which is um

00:59:00.320 which is we we could face the same problem right that's that's one of the things we have to

00:59:05.920 think about when we uh if we become independent and we shape our country our country but but again

00:59:14.000 and then and now i'm going all over the place the americans thought of it when they did right the

00:59:18.080 american constitution was designed to be uh agnostic to whatever government whatever side of the

00:59:26.240 political spectrum came into power in the future they designed it that way and so it's possible to

00:59:31.680 design it that way but some people just can't wrap their mind around the fact that that's a possibility

00:59:38.080 yeah i i ask that question all the time what if the guy you don't like that came up on the floor

00:59:42.480 actually that came up on the floor of the debate and and on some of the policies this weekend and that's

00:59:50.320 where it's important to go back to the fundamental statements the fundamental statements are if you

00:59:54.000 believe in in family and property rights and uh and accountability then some of the things you've

01:00:00.800 just suggested are are are independent you you you throw them out they're garbage and um and you hope

01:00:08.000 that the fundamental principles can't get changed by the next government that's a fear actually that's

01:00:13.760 something that uh that's something that i don't think we should fear let me rephrase that that's

01:00:17.760 something that still surprised me about this weekend when's danielle smith gonna stop talking about

01:00:22.800 the ndp do you guys think the ndp you guys live in edmonton is the ndp still the threat

01:00:29.840 kind of kind of there's still edmonton is sort of bone to be honest man like we just had our

01:00:35.520 municipal elections i don't think there's a single conservative counselor in the city like it's it's

01:00:40.240 it's pretty bad up here because i'm surprised that like my advice to danielle would be just stop

01:00:45.040 talking about the ndp but but i guess it is one of i think she should do that too like uh let like

01:00:51.600 yeah i i don't see i i i hear some noise around the ndp well i guess at the same time i mean i saw

01:00:58.640 what um what's his name thomas lukazic did with his petition and who did he get it to sign and there

01:01:05.200 there is still uh the the battle is not won yet the battle is not won yeah the but regardless your your

01:01:13.200 your thought is right though she should regardless if they're a threat in edmonton you know that's they're

01:01:19.280 they're always going to be a threat in edmonton to some degree but she should stop she should stop

01:01:23.600 viewing them as a consideration because it's hamstringing her in in moving forward with

01:01:28.560 policies that she probably should that if she did and and the the the very obvious gains from those

01:01:35.360 policies were realized maybe she would actually gain converts from uh you know fence sitters or or even

01:01:42.000 previous nd peers who see the results of of the conservative policy in action next year i'm gonna work

01:01:47.200 on proposing a policy i as when i can actually it's a it's timely when it's a good segue but

01:01:53.840 i'm going to propose a policy that uh we move ministries away from edmonton like it i think we

01:02:00.800 need saskatchel went down that path and other places went down that path like we can't have every

01:02:06.480 government ministry based out of edmonton i know they're not but i mean we need we need to dilute

01:02:11.520 edmonton there's way too many civil servants in edmonton we need we need i don't care you know the energy

01:02:16.400 the part the energy the ministry of energy should be in fort mcmurray maybe agriculture should be down

01:02:21.680 in grand prairie uh i don't know you know like move them around high education could be in red

01:02:26.960 deer i don't care but move them all around transportation where would you put transportation

01:02:31.200 go put them in medicine hat i don't know and move people around and uh and and use it as an opportunity

01:02:37.840 if somebody doesn't want to move from edmonton to medicine hat they can quit and then we'll rehire people

01:02:41.920 like it's uh there's way too much um yeah it was interesting to see that there was a oh we just

01:02:49.120 oh mike's coughing um no that's cool i was gonna mute my mic it was interesting to see that there

01:02:54.480 were actually a few people uh i felt bad for the people who came from writings like what was rachel

01:03:00.000 notley's writing called in edmonton what do you got uh strathcona right like uh yeah whenever you

01:03:05.360 you know for the folks right like we have these we have these lanyards and and on some of the lanyards

01:03:10.480 depending on it said what writing you were or you got to learn what the colors meant and and when

01:03:15.120 you met somebody who was like from strathcona it's like whoa you guys are conservatives from strathcona

01:03:19.680 that's awesome like like do you guys have a secret handshake or what do you do we found all dozen of

01:03:24.960 you yeah any weird takeaways for you guys from the event i mean you covered it in a different

01:03:30.640 perspective you did you get to participate much or did you mostly were there to document

01:03:35.840 i i voted but that was pretty much i voted on the board we took five minutes to vote but other

01:03:43.920 than that we were filming we were walking around uh we had lots of conversations but we were in the mode

01:03:49.680 of documenting the event specifically to make a little mini documentary and we didn't think we would

01:03:57.120 before the event i wasn't sure what kind of a story or how it would unfold or i i thought okay maybe we'll

01:04:04.240 we'll we'll film some interviews we'll be able to make something but with how everything unfolded it

01:04:10.800 kind of turned more into a a story i think you'll i think you'll enjoy the uh the uh the edit so

01:04:19.680 um for 14 minutes long so it's mini documentary not a full length but that's plenty plenty long for this

01:04:25.600 one little you made me think of a couple of things that we didn't cover quickly let's talk about the

01:04:30.640 elections right that is one of the other purposes of yes i was gonna ask that as a purpose of the agm

01:04:35.840 is to elect the um the the council that that that governs the united conservative party half the votes

01:04:43.440 are up for uh or half the council members are up for election every year for a two-year term so we had

01:04:50.640 nine people um there was a piece of paper handed out uh actually i'd never seen that much campaigning it

01:04:57.760 was crazy right like normally you normally half the positions are elected by acclamation so there

01:05:04.480 were two candidates or more for every position which is fantastic uh they had debates in advance they

01:05:10.720 had debates there they each had their booth it was like they were fighting for to get elected and there

01:05:17.040 were little pieces of paper handed out with um you know one side was considered more establishment the

01:05:23.040 other side was considered more um um um separatist minded uh on out of the nine uh the separatists are

01:05:32.320 claiming six out of nine as a pretty good victory which means that out of the 18 there's for sure six

01:05:39.520 probably two others so that the the the current council of the ucp is 50 50 with separatists on board

01:05:47.520 we think that's also kind of the ratio of mp of mlas mlas don't outright come out and say they're

01:05:52.960 separatists but we we figure there's almost half of them are separatists kudos to the party in general

01:05:59.200 i mean there's six women that were elected right some people say we're a party of rednecks there were

01:06:03.360 six women um the crowd in general i thought the crowd in general was the most diverse i've seen in a

01:06:10.320 long time like everything from that 15 year old kid that kept going on on the yes side and at talking

01:06:17.440 uh you guys covered the the the youth debate last year but the the spectrum was very broad like there

01:06:25.040 was old and young gray white blacks asians there is a reproach some people say that the that the panel

01:06:34.880 itself doesn't look very um doesn't look as albertan you know ethnically speaking there there's no

01:06:42.160 visible minorities let's say let's be blunt on the uh on the council they're not running like what can

01:06:48.560 we do i mean if they're not running they're not running so um but yeah six women elected this

01:06:55.040 go around i like man we get accused of being redneck but fundamentally we're pretty progressive

01:07:01.040 we like we move we're not lunatics man we move we progress forward at a reasonable pace knowing

01:07:08.880 that every decision can have unintended consequences like i love living in this province i love being in

01:07:14.720 albertan well i guess like if you look when i was pouring over the footage and i could see some of the

01:07:22.720 crowds like it seemed like people clean up really well like people are dressed up people were representing

01:07:29.440 and the only thing that made it not feel like a ndp agm was the lack of piercings and blue hair

01:07:37.840 so but like it it wasn't just all rural farmers like there's a few cowboy hats probably more cowboy

01:07:46.000 hats that you'd see at an ndp event but uh i wore dress shoes dress pants and a dress shirt on day one

01:07:52.640 i mean and and when i came out of that what you're always sure when i went upstairs to get dressed like

01:07:56.640 that my buddy jar is like what are you doing i'm like is i don't know it's just me day one tomorrow

01:08:02.240 i'll be more relaxed but uh yeah yeah uh i i was thinking of yeah well you know we have a go ahead

01:08:10.240 well you're thinking of that um we the numbers that we had seen were uh which i mean i think is

01:08:15.520 basically what you said we we had seen uh uh like 11 of 17 uh seats were like what we called or what

01:08:22.880 were called termed daniel smith loyalists and then four for sure were like candidates explicitly uh

01:08:31.120 pushed by the app and then there was a handful of others mixed in throughout the election of like

01:08:36.320 people who were who were known to be at least sympathetic towards independence as a cause

01:08:40.560 so yeah i think ultimately it ended up being like you say approximately 50 50 which um sort of like we

01:08:46.400 were saying i think before we hit record that was sort of your takeaway too about how um like what

01:08:52.320 you were what you were feeling on the ground like jeff rath said you know you know jeff rath god bless

01:08:57.200 him was you know going with the like 85 are are in favor of of independence and maybe that's true in

01:09:03.680 the in the amount of people that stood up and gave him a round of applause during his his uh speech and

01:09:08.080 his mic cut off moment there but um from what you were sort of feeling on the ground maybe it is closer to

01:09:13.120 a 50 50 60 40 sort of thing um tilting maybe either way for like the people who are actually

01:09:20.240 what you might call like diehard independence guys the reason i'm still going 50 50 at this point

01:09:25.920 uh actually for me it's lower than 50 50 i think i don't think that i think the province right now is

01:09:32.720 50 50 ndp conservative that's the way i see it and that's how it it showed up in the um

01:09:38.160 um and the popular vote even though we only had three by elections back in may or whatever they

01:09:43.680 they were 50 50 and i'm sure one of them was emington but it doesn't matter popular votes

01:09:48.640 popular vote popular vote was 50 50 i don't think there's too many ndp supporters right now that are

01:09:53.200 separatist i really don't i've yet to meet one um and i know the app says it's apolitical but it's

01:10:00.000 mostly associated with the conservative side so so at at best it's 50 of conservatives and when i walk

01:10:06.160 around the crowd and i meet conservatives if if i'll i'll say to jeff i'll agree it's probably it

01:10:11.840 could it is probably 80 of the people that were at the agm were separatists are they representative

01:10:16.960 of the whole conservative party not so i'm gonna go 60 so 60 of 50 puts me in the 30 to 35 range so i

01:10:23.920 think as a population in alberta it's 30 to 35 percent do you win a referendum with that no you don't

01:10:29.760 no you don't so maybe there's uh there's another layer to consider and this is where it gets muddy

01:10:38.160 and hard to know for sure is that oh this is where it gets okay it's all muddy mike it's all muddy um

01:10:46.720 people that are vocally active and politically engaged that's one side of things there's also

01:10:51.600 people who they believe certain things and they may agree with maybe like half or more of what

01:10:59.760 you're saying but they're not fired up enough to be vocal about it so they will stay silent until the

01:11:07.120 time comes that they have to cast their vote and then sometimes that is like that's not even reflected

01:11:12.960 on polling and this is where you get landslide victories where polling could not predict that but

01:11:18.480 we can't just go off the hope that these silent so people are going to lean a certain way but we have

01:11:25.280 to recognize that those people need to be connected with on a level that maybe they're not being

01:11:31.360 connected with with the raw i agree so on a on a on a non-contentious issue or a non

01:11:41.200 life-altering issue you will have you'll always have a silent minority a majority get that i totally get

01:11:46.800 that you mentioned something interesting which is the at the time of the vote something like

01:11:52.000 a referendum like if you're voting for do we do time change or not you know you can be silent on

01:11:56.720 it you're not going to talk about it because you don't want to piss off your friends but at the end

01:11:59.760 of the day you'll express your real opinion in the booth when you gotta decide whether to uh to separate

01:12:08.640 or not even if you're silent majority then you hit the booth hitting the booth and checking off

01:12:14.560 yes we're separating i think that's a big one i think that's a big one i mean i know what you're

01:12:19.840 saying like you know what i got i got people here like during the by-election or during the the

01:12:25.280 municipal election that like a lot of people weren't going to piss off our neighbors by saying they

01:12:30.000 supported you know candidate x even though they all did but then when the confidentiality of the

01:12:35.120 booth they go x it is because and that's that that's the landslide it was like how the hell did

01:12:39.360 samantha get in nobody seemed to like her no everybody liked her they just didn't want to

01:12:43.600 piss off everybody else yeah i'm i well that's a good let's talk about that briefly right i mean

01:12:51.440 lucasic scored a big victory yesterday i mean he kudos kudos to him i think he cheated god bless

01:12:58.960 i think he cheated to get his 400 000 but he got him it's going to be interesting to see what danielle

01:13:04.320 chooses to do with that so i i think two things happened i think he went to a lot of like old

01:13:12.560 folks homes and other places where essentially just said sign this if you don't want alberta to

01:13:19.040 separate become the 51st state i think he put a fear in them even further yeah yeah

01:13:24.480 there's lots of ways you can word it to to scare a bunch of

01:13:28.400 old people who didn't didn't have that on their agenda that day for people to come and scare them

01:13:36.160 about uh these kind of existential issues so um i think that happened but also i don't i think even

01:13:45.120 just on the streets or just with your regular alberton i don't think they actually phrased the

01:13:52.480 question or outlined or described what the actual petition was for it's the forever canada petition

01:14:00.560 to hold a referendum on the question of staying in canada but saying yes i want to sign on petitions

01:14:06.720 different than yes i want to stay in canada so my question is out of the 400 000 how many people

01:14:13.760 were independence-minded supporters that said yes i want a referendum i'm going to sign this anyways

01:14:19.840 and how many people are just saying yes i want to keep alberta in canada and i'm voting yes for this

01:14:28.160 by signing yeah yeah no that name so i don't think they were they i don't think they fully understood

01:14:35.360 the the whole setup i'd also like to see where he collected his signatures i'm sure the petition has

01:14:41.120 a rule that they got to be sort of broadly represent the province but does that mean like you know what

01:14:48.560 as long as you get one from each writing and then if you get you know 390 000 from edmonton but 10

01:14:54.480 from every other writing you've met the guidelines like or or does it need to be proportionally spread

01:14:59.920 because i can't see it being proportionate i'm i'm betting he bet he got he got his 400 000 in

01:15:05.760 edmonton and parts of calgary but we'll see but um yeah um have you been following uh jeff rath's and

01:15:15.040 and the app's petition or not petition but question like did you follow that a little bit yeah the the

01:15:21.520 you mean their court case yeah yeah still in the courts right now i think they're getting a um are

01:15:26.560 they having a is it another hearing or are they having the the ruling from a hearing in early january

01:15:32.480 so what's what's happening is they they met again they had all the friends of the court come in and

01:15:39.520 submit their concerns etc and then rath was able to argue and present their case and then there's a

01:15:46.960 few other friends of the court that are submitting a written version of their thoughts essentially so

01:15:53.600 they're not setting up court again to have everybody in there but they're waiting on those written

01:15:58.880 submissions and i think that's happening in the next week or so and then in january they'll come

01:16:03.280 back with a decision so i don't think they're actually going to be in court battling it out

01:16:08.000 again i think it'll just be the decision so fees b might be give a decision in january then that's

01:16:14.960 interesting yeah yeah nothing will happen with that well you know i was talking with

01:16:20.640 sorry i'm just saying i i don't think danielle will like uh she has the well thomas's group has to

01:16:27.840 do something today right like uh they have two days to actually push the next step which is kind

01:16:33.360 of formally request a referendum uh and then danielle probably won't do anything until january if she was

01:16:39.680 if she was by if she was good or not what's the word um she should wait until fees b uh rules on jeff's

01:16:49.120 petition i think that would be the right thing to do just to tell lukastic no matter what man

01:16:53.280 uh i'm waiting because she seemed that was one good thing she had to address right we didn't even

01:16:58.800 talk about this i mean she she she talked a lot about how she's trying to improve democracy and some

01:17:05.680 of the rules that she passed the recall legislation the uh citizens uh rights legislation and how some

01:17:12.160 of that is backfiring on her or not backfiring but how that might be abused she's she's cognizant right

01:17:18.400 now of the abuse of of her uh i call it her generosity i mean she she she made pub uh public

01:17:25.840 engagement easier but is being abused and she did mention that she might have to fine tune that and

01:17:31.280 i think it would be fair for her to say it's being abused right now and i'm at to thomas and others like

01:17:36.640 i'm actually going to pause here like i think it's a valid reason to to to um to not rush with a

01:17:43.360 referendum because that i mean there's 13 recall legislature or uh petitions right now and i think

01:17:50.160 every day i go to the alberta elections website i'm i'm i'm fully expecting to see a recall petition

01:17:55.360 on her like you know i i think she should i think she should throw a wrench into everything if i was

01:18:02.720 danielle smith like they have 90 days to collect their signatures for the petition let them do it for 85

01:18:09.280 days and then call a snap election on uh on day 86 i would call a snap election in february if i was

01:18:14.960 danielle smith right now that's what i would do just call their bluff yeah well i mean there's uh yeah

01:18:22.240 there's debate about whether or not nenshi has done enough uh to this point to to uh unify the uh the

01:18:27.840 ndp right now but you know just just maybe just to quickly wrap up on the the uh referendum question

01:18:33.280 uh we were chatting with uh with uh another friend of the channel eva chipiak uh and uh at the uh at

01:18:40.720 the agm and we were saying like you know i don't even i don't even necessarily mind if ultimately what

01:18:46.640 ends up happening is that lukozik's question ends up on the referendum instead of the app's because look

01:18:51.760 at these two questions that just like look at these two questions and think about from the point of view of

01:18:55.680 the average like not politically engaged alberton here's the app question do you agree that the province

01:19:01.840 of alberta shall become a sovereign country and cease to be a province in canada okay and then

01:19:07.840 lukozik's question do you agree that alberta should remain within canada that's clean like i actually i

01:19:14.720 actually like saying no to that even more no oh yeah yeah okay i see your point yeah yeah so if along the

01:19:20.560 same lines how would you rephrase uh wrath's question do you agree that can alberta should leave canada

01:19:28.640 done right just like that well there's just there's too many like there's too many words in

01:19:33.120 here that i just fear that the like you know maybe a person could get tripped up on and not know how to

01:19:38.240 answer people argued that uh that wrath's question is two a lot of people argued that like the if you

01:19:44.880 added a comma it was truly two questions but the way it's written it's something i said to by the way

01:19:50.640 i just wanted to uh right friend of the channel uh eva we're all friends and uh eva got to uh plant a

01:19:59.120 peck on the cheek of the most alberta man ever and uh i i got to meet him too in person i mean i i took

01:20:06.240 him hunting so i was pretty proud i i took him hunting but uh yeah he showed up at the event yeah

01:20:11.440 you guys were there too i think you interviewed him right or we yeah we we got it we got a quick

01:20:16.240 interview um uh we'll uh maybe we'll put it up on the uh on the screen here in the uh in the final

01:20:22.160 edit but uh god bless rise of alberta because i don't know what like if he was if he was like

01:20:28.160 pranking me or something but in every other post uh the the most albertan man in the world looks like

01:20:34.400 just you know a normal height guy and for whatever reason it'll become clear if we pop the image up he

01:20:40.400 made him like i'm six feet tall and he made this man look like like seven and a half feet tall so

01:20:46.320 i don't know like he he has an imposing he definitely has a presence about him doesn't he

01:20:50.880 ai generated video the one just before that uh like i'm on like when my wife first looked at that video

01:20:59.520 she's like when did you find the time to do that right and i'm like honey it's ai generated and she

01:21:05.440 looked at it closely she's like it the the the guy walking me walking in the video with the

01:21:10.800 with the lever action it literally is my mannerisms it's crazy and uh yeah i mean they can suck in you

01:21:17.920 know i have videos like this are are useful but i have videos of me on on youtube and places like that

01:21:24.080 hiking so they can pull those videos and then the way i was sitting down talking to that grizzly bear

01:21:29.360 that's how i sit around the campfire man like it was like my shoulders everything about me was like

01:21:34.480 yeah that's how you normally talk to grizzly yeah yeah rise of alberta is doing an awesome job

01:21:38.480 there's footage there's footage of marty talking to grizzly bears that they sampled for this big

01:21:44.000 boy you're being you're pissing me off and i just talk to them like that and they just go whatever

01:21:47.680 sorry like you know when they come in the backyard and going through the garbage can i'm like get your

01:21:52.080 ass out of there awesome awesome well marty we've uh we've had you for for a lot here hey maybe

01:22:00.000 before we uh we let you go um what um what do you think just sort of final thoughts wrapping up uh

01:22:06.960 wrapping up the agm wrapping up the last couple weeks like what are you

01:22:11.040 you know we're sort of getting to the end of the year here like what's your overall um assessment on

01:22:16.400 how this this um maybe this year you know this general rough year of the of the conservative world

01:22:23.040 of the politics is is ending and what do you expect what do you expect to be the major sort of

01:22:28.720 um you know obviously we're going into potentially a referendum but is there anything else you're sort

01:22:33.520 of predicting for 2026 that you you want us to watch out um the good year for me good year for

01:22:40.640 canadians i think uh or good year for conservative canadians and i think liberal canadians are going to

01:22:47.360 have a wake-up call i mean you know uh uh i wasn't upset on on april 29th when carney won i was a

01:22:54.320 little bit upset but in hindsight i'm like okay it's uh it'll help the separatist movement and uh he's

01:22:59.680 got a super minority government that's not going to move anywhere so right now my life hasn't gotten

01:23:05.440 harder which is all i can pray for at this point i'm just happy life's not getting harder uh i think in

01:23:12.000 the uh there's a couple of things i look forward to in the new year i i i think there will be uh

01:23:18.000 hey the budget like everybody thinks that we just approved the budget guess what we just approved

01:23:23.280 the budget in like month eight of the of the fiscal year so the next budget has to be approved in april

01:23:30.160 so i think this government could very well get defeated in april if if everybody is true to

01:23:34.720 themselves like elizabeth may and whatever no new laws are going to pass between now and april

01:23:40.000 and this government's going to get defeated and then we go back to the elections which is a whole

01:23:44.560 new uh a whole new ball game i don't know if we go into the election with uh with uh poilier or not

01:23:52.080 i mean he's up for leadership review by by april we're going to have a new ndp candidate which in

01:23:57.440 and of itself is a comedy like that is the most hilarious thing like i i hope i hope the ndp find it

01:24:04.240 in themselves to elect a moderate but there's hardly a moderate on the plate but i'd love a moderate

01:24:09.920 to split the right so i think we're going into it'll be rachel so i think there'll be no damage

01:24:14.960 between you know my life's not going to get harder as an albertan because of stupid liberal policies it

01:24:20.800 might even get a little bit better i don't think the government will last much past april and then

01:24:26.800 danielle has to release the results of her alberta next panel which is going to be interesting

01:24:32.720 uh and then of course there's donald trump and the reality that uh we need to smarten up and so i i i

01:24:41.600 think i'm i'm i'm optimistic i'm not i'm no longer being hurt right now so the hemorrhaging stopped

01:24:49.120 which is good and and i see a lot of upside i don't see a lot of negative in the new year i see a lot of upside

01:24:56.240 amazing amazing we love a positive marty don't we james that's a yeah you've seen me at my worst

01:25:05.120 right you were on that one show with um uh sheldon where i i got pretty upset so yes marty's positive

01:25:13.520 right now so positive he's gonna go yeah i'm going to go get a christmas tree tomorrow that's how positive

01:25:18.480 i am amazing yeah this is holiday uh december's spirit holiday spirit marty that's great awesome

01:25:24.880 guys okay man hey thanks a lot as always we super appreciate you it was great to see you again this

01:25:30.480 weekend and uh and i look forward to the next one let us know anytime you're uh you're in near the city

01:25:35.920 and um and i'm sure we'll we'll have you in on again and also um uh do you have anything coming

01:25:42.320 up any speaking engagements anything that you want people to know about uh i will be speaking

01:25:48.320 at some app events uh in the new year but not right now i actually i was almost going to turn

01:25:54.560 around and go right back up to white court and and fox creek two towns that are near and dear to me but

01:25:58.960 uh no i don't uh pretty pretty pretty quiet right now uh just yeah just pushing along

01:26:07.280 everything's moving fine in the right direction cheers guys awesome okay man hey thanks as always okay

01:26:15.600 we'll chat soon

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The Critical Compass Podcast - December 09, 2025

Alberta Independence Update & 2025 UCP AGM Recap Rundown w⧸ Martyupnorth

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