In this episode, we discuss Peter Bogosian's recent interview with a woman named Cara Dansky, and the reaction to his questioning of her about her fear of being attacked by a man. We also discuss the radical feminist response to Peter's questioning of Cara.
00:00:00.000And that's where she constantly discounts, if somebody watches through this, Peter advocates for all these other deterrents and or situational awareness and or talking somebody down.
00:00:14.600Like he doesn't discount them. It's not like he's suggesting that somebody just punches their way out of every situation. But if it really came to it, that last line of defense, like no other option, either you do something or you don't do something.
00:00:32.840Like if something has a 10% better outcome, you would do it. You would, you would include that. Like, wouldn't that be a net benefit?
00:00:43.860Peter Boghossian, friend of the channel. He's not. Future friend, a future friend of the channel. He has liked a couple of our tweets. So that's, that's good enough to start.
00:01:11.000Yeah. Uh, he, uh, I think last week, maybe a little over a week ago, but it was four weeks ago. Whoops. He, uh, he had, did an interview, uh, with, uh, Cara Dansky and in that interview, he, uh, they kind of had a portion of the conversation where Cara Dansky had said she was talking about as a woman, her, her general level, uh,
00:01:41.000of, uh, kind of distrust and fearfulness of, of, you know, in any given, at any given time in a social situation, a social situation regarding men, uh, you know, the, the, the possibility of being attacked or, or, or that sort of thing.
00:01:53.680Um, and so Peter asked her to give a, on a scale of one to 10, how fearful she was. And she said nine, nine out of 10. And so he said, so he basically the, he went into a little kind of, um, uh, um, Socratic questioning of her, of, of, of that, you know, to kind of suss out the roots of that, that statement.
00:02:18.120And he had asked her what, like, what she had done to mitigate those fears. If, if, if truly you feel a nine out of 10 fearfulness of this certain thing and you have not done. So as it turns out, she had not really, she hadn't taken any, like he asked her if she had taken any martial arts classes or if she carries any like mace or pepper spray or a gun or something like that.
00:02:39.020Uh, and if, and she doesn't. And so he was trying to understand why, if she truly was that fearful, why she didn't take any mitigating action. And the internet did not like this.
00:02:52.740And they thought he was cornering her and just played a, like a cheap trick.
00:02:59.040Yeah. They, they essentially like, it was, it was very obvious that these people didn't have any experience with Peter Bogosian or, or understanding of how he uses the Socratic method.
00:03:08.680And all of his discussions to get to people's root causes of their belief. Uh, and, and yeah, they just like the radical feminists just jumped all over him.
00:03:20.320We, we got into some discussions on Twitter with, with, um, Peter and, and, and some, um, and Matt Thornton, largely women. Um, but Matt Thornton was, was commenting too, because he, he referenced Matt Thornton.
00:03:32.740Uh, Matt Thornton, of course, being the, the founder of straight blast gym, I think it's called straight blast gym, SBG. Uh, one of the first, uh, jujitsu gyms in North America.
00:03:42.860He trained directly with the Gracie brothers. So he's very well known. He wrote a book last year.
00:03:48.620He released a book last year called the gift of violence. Great book. Um, and, uh, basically he was talking about how, you know, so if, if I were to summarize as charitably as possible, the radical feminist, uh, response to Peter's line of questioning to, to Cara, it's that.
00:04:09.320Uh, no matter what a woman is at such a disadvantage in a physical confrontation with a man that the best course of action would not ever be, uh, any self-defense knowledge or any, any aggressive action with pepper spray or mace, but would be to, uh, employ other methods of deterrence, such as trying to not aggravate and trying to not exacerbate a situation.
00:04:36.000Uh, it's almost like these are mutually.
00:04:41.260Yeah. Yeah. And there's, they're speaking like of an either, or that's right. That's right. And, and, and I'm, I'm going to play some clips from a video from a recent podcast that he did, uh, with, uh, with Julie Bindell, uh, and she's another, almost, it was a, almost not a direct followup, but they touched on a lot of those things of that original podcast.
00:05:02.300And some of the, some of the, some of the inflammation that happened after kind of set the stage for this conversation.
00:05:10.920Well, and the, and, and one of the points too, that, that both Peter and, and Matt Thornton, excuse me, had made a lot was that, yes, of course, in any confrontational circumstance, the best option is not to get involved in a physical confrontation.
00:05:26.140In any sort of heightened situation, uh, potentially dangerous situation where there is the risk of a physical confrontation, the best option is to not engage with it.
00:05:36.760It's to get away from the danger, run away, call for help, anything, but, and what Peter and Matt and others were, were trying to hammer home is that that's not what anyone is talking about.
00:05:53.440We're talking about in a situation where physical violence is unavoidable or is currently happening.
00:05:59.420Isn't it better to be somewhat competent and able to defend yourself in certain ways, you know, certain techniques, certain holds or jabs, or, you know, um, you know, certain moves that you can do to escape and potentially come away with your life where otherwise you might not have been able to.
00:06:19.720Isn't it better to know that than to not know that?
00:06:23.480And like you said, it's almost as if they are actually intellectually incapable of understanding that it isn't an either or that there can be two things can be true at the same time.
00:06:35.640The other, the other really common thing that I saw was that, well, if you say that women should learn how to defend themselves, what you're doing is you're excusing male violence or you're making, or you're victim blaming, or you're victim blaming.
00:08:27.340There are gangs of men who were maraudering around the underground.
00:08:34.380I'm just going to pause it there because the reason I started off with this clip is because this is at the point in the interview where I knew that this wasn't going to be an honest discussion.
00:08:43.140Because this type of mealy-mouthed, equivocating bullshit of, well, how would I know who these types of men are?
00:08:50.700She knows exactly who the type of men that Peter is referring to because they're talking about, and they do address it later in the video, and she does finally admit it.
00:08:58.420These are Muslim grooming gangs in European countries, primarily made up of Pakistani men, some northern African men.
00:09:14.020With that being, that's an increasing problem.
00:09:17.840If you can look statistically, like the number of incidences have increased over the years, which has correlated to with the number of newcomers who may or may not share the values.
00:09:29.380So if she's so focused on, well, we just have to teach men to be better, I'm like, well, what happens when people come in that do not have the same values that we have about treating women?
00:09:57.080Well, and when he was referencing the punching women in the head, that was, if you remember from a few weeks ago in New York, when there was reports of, like, it may have been one or two, like, just random attacks on women.
00:10:11.120Like, a guy would come out of the alley and punch someone and run away, a woman and run away.
00:10:18.400But this is a broader theme in that he was talking, Boghossian is talking about public attacks on women and grooming gangs that are trafficking in women.
00:10:33.340And multiple times through this conversation, Julie Bindel attempted to bring it back to a conversation regarding home abuse, like abuse in the home from spouses or relatives or, which we do know statistically is the highest amount of, that is where the highest amount of abuse occurs.
00:10:52.740But this isn't, they're talking past each other here because this isn't what we're talking about.
00:10:59.080We're talking about the frightening and rapid increase in these types of public abuse of women that we see as immigration from certain parts of the world that don't respect women and that don't hold the same values that we have enter into our society.
00:11:16.920Yeah, and there's, well, the conversation bounces a little bit between she's claiming that as a woman, she's so fearful on the street.
00:11:28.180So she's using that as a daily experience of fear, while simultaneously, anytime Peter brings up this issue of the public element of it, and what would you do to mitigate some of those fears or some of those risks in public?
00:11:44.680She brings it back to the domestic stats, because the public stats are less useful.
00:11:54.280Because, of course, and I think she'll say this earlier, you know, she says, like, what use would pepper spray be against, you know, your husband in your house if he's beating you?
00:12:04.080Yeah, that's right, but that's not what we're talking about here.
00:12:06.640We're talking about if you're fearful walking alone on a downtown street at night, isn't it better that you have something on you that in a random attempt at an attack, you can do a spray and run, rather than have nothing and have no recourse to have even an attempt at a defense in that sort of situation.
00:12:34.920And another thing that they don't talk about, and I wish Peter brought this up, because this isn't, like, sometimes the radical feminists will speak about these issues as if they are uniquely a woman's issue.
00:12:49.360I am, you know, blessed, if you want to say, to be a rather large man.
00:12:55.760I'm six feet tall, I'm 220 pounds, I'm a big boy.
00:12:58.720I've never really felt any certain, any level of, you know, particular fear at night walking around alone, you know, in our downtown or any of our, you know, sort of party streets or anything.
00:13:10.140Because I know that I'm not particularly vulnerable in that way, because usually if somebody, you know, sees a bigger man, that's not a good target to pick.
00:13:22.080That said, there are men who walk around, men are far and away the more victims of violent attacks than women, by the numbers.
00:13:35.500That's not a statistic that feminists like to talk about, but it is true.
00:13:38.840It's also the circumstances around that.
00:13:41.220So you walking on a street and you're just walking your mind in your own business, that's different than if, let's say you spent every weekend at a bar and you were drunk, you're putting yourself at a much higher risk of violence and or situations of that.
00:13:59.080So if somebody is really afraid of these, um, of this, these kinds of situations, first of all, like doesn't, doesn't matter if you're 200 pounds or a hundred pounds or a man or a woman getting drunk at a random bar is objectively not the safest thing you could do.
00:14:16.820So if that was a concern, you would, you would pick different avenues of fun and, or you would have, again, basic strategies of like, well, stumbling home, maybe not the best.
00:14:31.340Like, do you have somebody there who's sober?
00:14:33.500Do you have somebody like, where's, do you have a plan for where you're going?
00:14:48.700You're not, that's not to blame any of the, the existing victims of like, if some guy has got beat up and he was completely innocent, but like, well, if you don't go to those circumstance, if you don't spend time in those areas, you are less likely.
00:15:04.880Like, like just statistically speaking, you're less likely to encounter something like that.
00:15:12.000That's just a basic statistical reality.
00:15:17.060And, and what I was, where I was going to go with that too, is that even given those circumstances, not being an obvious target, being, you know, someone who's comfortable being, you know, walking alone at night or whatever the situation you want to say.
00:15:31.660I still like to have certain things on me.
00:15:34.380I still carry a flashlight that has a strobe option on it.
00:15:39.500That's a great non-lethal, non-violent deterrent to have.
00:15:42.580It's, first of all, it's useful to carry a flashlight on you anyway.
00:15:45.760Um, and, and, and I like to, I like to, you know, have certain, I have the situational awareness to know if I would ever need to, uh, use or have any sort of, uh, deterrent tools on me to say it in a, in a YouTube friendly way like that.
00:16:06.760Um, and, and, and, and that, that's the case for anyone.
00:16:11.680Anyone can be a victim of anything at any time.
00:16:13.720Is it the, is it the case that, uh, a small drunk woman on the street is probably statistically more likely to be a victim of a violent crime than a big sober man?
00:16:23.480But, uh, that doesn't mean that it's victim blaming to tell, to tell either of them that you should probably have your head on a swivel if you're in a bad part of town where there's tweakers.
00:16:35.180Because there, there is no, there is no amount of, uh, you know, academic feminism that will penetrate the brain of a man who's ODing on meth and wants to, you know, decides that he wants to get into a fight.
00:17:21.140And now you are included in their bad time because you address them.
00:17:25.600So, so, um, the next portion I've clipped to here is, um, Julie's, uh, initial reaction to Peter's, uh, interview with, uh, with Cara and short discussion on that.
00:17:41.980Equational awareness first, but, um, the number of people who became enraged at that was fascinating to me.
00:17:52.460Um, and I think you became enraged at me as well.
00:17:55.900Uh, or at least, uh, your online behavior was enraged.
00:18:31.240We don't agree on everything, but we do agree on some things and that they're the most interesting conversations for me.
00:18:36.100Um, and, uh, yeah, I, I was kind of swept along with it and then all of a sudden, in my view, you changed into what I can only describe as a kind of pound shot Louis Theroux, you know, you became all kind of, oh, I'm fascinated by it.
00:18:52.200Well, so Louis Theroux is his, I mean, you must know his style.
00:18:57.300Maybe you don't, but, you know, he's, he interviews people in kind of interesting and quirky situations, people living in extremities perhaps.
00:19:08.440And he kind of has this, oh, I'm really, really puzzled by this.
00:19:15.960And I, I, in, in my view, I saw you change into this kind of, rather than testing ideas and maybe playing devil's advocate, doing your job as a philosopher.
00:19:25.480And as someone who, who, um, you know, wants to tease out the kind of interesting bits, all of a sudden, it seemed to become quite personal.
00:19:36.100And I have quite a good antenna for this.
00:19:40.820And you said something like, to Cara, why do some women place themselves in position of impotency in the world?
00:21:05.560And you kept saying, why wouldn't you increase your confidence to decrease the likelihood if you found yourself in that situation?
00:21:13.000And you were very much speaking from yourself as a man who moves through the world without feeling, without having that feeling of always having to be hypervigilant.
00:21:21.620Now, you and I have spoken about this before.
00:21:29.460Being a girl in this society isn't an identity.
00:21:32.920And so I'm just saying to you what pissed me right off was you just put yourself as a man in the shoes of a woman, which you can never do, because you don't have to walk through the world hypervigilant.
00:21:54.500And I think you put her on the spot to the point of where, in my view, she started to backtrack in a way that possibly she wouldn't have done had you not done that whole faux kind of concern about why wouldn't she?
00:22:17.340But the one thing I wanted to point out before I ask your thought on that is that we went in a span of three minutes there from Cara is exceptional and she doesn't need me to say anything for her.
00:22:30.760She can hold up her on her own to one simple line of questioning was enough to, well, she had to backtrack from her point because she was so intimidated by your tone or your verbiage or something.
00:22:45.640Is she a strong woman who can hold her own point?
00:22:47.900Or is she a shrinking violet that the moment a man steps onto her stage and challenges her, she has to, out of fear for her own, you know, potential safety, then she has to modify her point to appease him.
00:23:02.040Yeah, the logical consistency is not there with Julie Bindle.
00:23:08.140I noticed three kind of, not pillars, but it's like she assumed motive at first and this is a tactic of kind of the very progressive or very leftist way of like you.
00:23:30.520You assume bad motive and then you say, it reminds me of these bad things of people saying something like, so now you have this like a guilt by association kind of thing.
00:23:46.700The Peter, he wasn't in any of those kind of court proceedings or anything like all those other examples have nothing to do with this.
00:23:55.220She just, I thought the tone reminded her of that and that's a, her problem.
00:24:02.280Like, so, and then again, misrepresents his point and doesn't actually address the meat of the argument because she talks about the victim blaming.
00:24:17.600And so kind of frustrating to listen to you.
00:25:05.640I should just have learned self-defense or carry a gun or pepper spray and no man could get me in the, in the bathroom.
00:25:12.640So you had that tone and also that you were saying things like, I would wear a bulletproof vest if I thought there was any risk of being fired at.
00:25:21.920And yeah, okay, we get that, but what you don't get is that being a war reporter, for example, so being a war reporter and wearing a bulletproof vest is, you would be an absolute certified idiot to not do that.
00:25:40.220For women, what you have to understand is, this is a daily reality.
00:25:47.580Now, we would be sent mad if we were to be vigilant, such as the war reporter during that time when he or she is reporting where the bullets are being fired.
00:25:58.720That reporter then, if they're lucky, goes back into their hotel room, puts Netflix on and has a stiff whiskey, right?
00:26:05.300So for women, we are at risk, particularly when we're the most relaxed, when we've had a few drinks, when we get in the back of a cab, when we're at home with our male loved ones, we're at risk.
00:26:19.860If we were to sit there thinking about doing some kind of self-defense move, we would be sent mad.
00:26:30.140We need to actually put it out of our heads as much as we possibly can, because as some women will say, depending on which communities and how vulnerable they are, it's like being under siege.
00:27:10.540And so it just felt to me like you were putting this woman on the spot in a way, in a manner that was different from your other line of questioning, which felt much more reciprocal.
00:27:21.420And she was on the back foot and she shouldn't have been because she shouldn't have had to explain to you what it feels like, which is pretty impossible to be constantly under threat.
00:27:32.940And to have to put that aside in order to live as normal and relaxed and happier life as possible.
00:27:48.060So the threat is so dire that at every point they are at siege, but because they're at siege, they have to not think about it.
00:28:02.940And any additional deterrent methods would be burning them out and creating more stress and would remind them of the threat.
00:28:13.100Therefore, ignoring the threat is easier.
00:28:17.220And as a man, Peter cannot understand.
00:28:20.720He cannot possibly put himself in that kind of in that mindset to understand what she is going through.
00:28:28.980I truly believe that he can't understand that because that is such a fundamentally illogical and and just it's it's such a like a lazy intellectually lazy point.
00:28:41.440Like, first of all, like you say, it's a contradiction because you're you're suggesting that, you know, the the the the women are so strong and they have to put up with so much and they have to do the the actually do take steps to, you know, to to mitigate in ways that are nonviolent.
00:29:01.720But doing any other steps that would be asking too much of them, because they're because it's just, you know, the the burnout that would occur because of that.
00:29:19.940And I don't know if I'm being uncharitable because I just fundamentally dislike this woman so much from how she's.
00:29:26.320She just came on Peter's podcast and not not resonating with you.
00:29:30.880No, no, no, I don't like her, but like I kind of lost my train of thought here, but I'll you you take it over because that's that'll that's what will boil my comments on this section down to.
00:29:55.780She assumes he's playing a cheap trick.
00:29:58.640And then the even the analogy she didn't like earlier in the podcast, he made an analogy of like, well, if he stepped out of his house and there is a nine out of 10 chance of an elephant stampede running over him, he would not leave his house.
00:30:15.860Like he was trying to get out of the way, some kind of let it be the bulletproof vest or some kind of thing where if the threat level is that high.
00:30:26.440You kind of have to take ownership over it, and this is a fundamental principle that relates to our discussions about before we're kind of like, well, we didn't directly say it, but we're kind of asking what role?
00:30:41.720Well, what level of responsibility do people have individuals versus the state around them and ultimately it doesn't matter how much the world is controlled around you.
00:30:56.160There's still that uncontrollable nature of people making decisions that are outside of the interest of you or that people, somebody may choose to violate your space.
00:31:10.580And ultimately, you are 100 percent responsible for what you can do for yourself.
00:31:18.180And either you take as much of that responsibility as you can, understanding the risks.
00:31:24.620And if you believe a risk is high, you take whatever level of responsibility to navigate that and be OK with it, or you defer responsibility and you hide from it or you downplay the risk or you make excuses like either you accept reality or you don't like this is what it comes down to.
00:31:48.660And that kind of reminds me of what I what I think I was going to say at a kind of later on in this in this interview.
00:31:55.200She she says she thinks she delivers a pretty sweet burn by saying, you know, I know that you're not a stupid man, Peter, but you are you're at a dangerous risk of sounding like it, you know, for him asking another clarifying question, basically.
00:32:08.840And and what I think her fundamental problem is, is that I know she as well is not a stupid person, but she is intentionally ignoring the, you know, the philosophical distinction of ought versus is like, is it would it be a better world?
00:32:29.300Where no one at any given time had to worry about their physical safety in any circumstance?
00:32:35.100Yes, of course, that would be for everyone.
00:32:36.940It would be lovely if that were the case, but it isn't the case.
00:32:41.240And so because of that reality, like you say, we have a couple of choices.
00:32:46.600You can go through life believing that, you know, any any steps that you take to potentially protect your own safety is a is a failure of society.
00:32:56.380And it's a you know, it's it's a you know, it's not something that I should ever have to worry about because, you know, people should just be better and men should just be better.
00:33:05.540And and and we should have we should stamp it out at the source so that we never have to worry.
00:33:12.800And so you can't you can't at the same time recognize that reality and and also refuse to take any steps.
00:33:21.040To as I've said a couple of times to mitigate that reality, you know what I mean?
00:33:25.840Yeah, and and again, not an either or and these things are not like well, awareness is one of them.
00:33:34.400But again, if you feel that far threatened or.
00:33:39.960Would you just wouldn't you include more steps like wouldn't the steps of mitigation and awareness scale up with the perceived level of threat?
00:33:53.200And that's where she constantly discounts as if somebody watches through this, Peter advocates for all these other deterrents and or situational awareness and or talking somebody down like he doesn't discount them.
00:34:09.960It's not like he's suggesting that somebody just punches their way out of every situation.
00:34:33.960You would you would include that like wouldn't that be a net benefit.
00:34:39.040We did think during some of our discussions on Twitter, we did make the analogy of like.
00:34:45.760Well, one of the arguments is that like, oh, if you have a weapon or if you have any form of deterrence, then it may anger the person and you might be subjected to more violence.
00:34:56.940And the thing is, in that situation, you're already subjected to.
00:35:02.640If there's nothing stopping them, then you don't know what they'll do.
00:35:05.660So you're subjected to any level of violence anyways.
00:35:09.320So you literally have no other recourse but to defend yourself and try to escape.
00:35:14.840But if you take that same logic to, well, you should keep your doors unlocked because a robber busting into your home might be upset if an alarm goes off or they might be upset that they have to break through the door.
00:35:29.940Like that's a lot of efforts and like you wouldn't want to anger them.
00:35:35.780Therefore, why not just unlock your doors and make it easy for them?
00:35:42.560Well, and this was part of our discussion with one individual on Twitter.
00:35:48.900The thread kind of goes a little bit further up, but essentially it's more strawmanning that, you know, Peter was suggesting that, you know, that male violence isn't a threat because, you know, that would be the only reason why you wouldn't prepare for it.
00:36:04.220But, and so, so not Betty okay okay on Twitter says that women do prepare for male violence by having avoidance strategies drilled into us from the time that we can walk.
00:36:17.940And Matt Thornton says that that's a very important aspect, one of several.
00:36:21.800So, she says, so claiming we haven't prepared to mitigate male violence is false.
00:36:27.080I said, you suggested one mitigation strategy, avoidance.
00:36:32.260Peter suggested another, training in a martial art like jiu-jitsu.
00:36:36.980And, you know, that I was, I asked her why she's fundamentally unable to accept that undertaking a positive rather than a negative mitigation strategy would also be effective.
00:36:45.380So, this response was one that we saw a lot of, not all women have the time, finances, access, or physical ability to take a martial art, so this comes off as victim blaming.
00:36:58.940And Thornton, Matt Thornton said, probably the best line of any of this discussion, because all women can't doesn't mean many shouldn't.
00:37:07.320Not everyone can learn to swim, but that doesn't mean we should stop suggesting others should learn.
00:37:11.420And it certainly doesn't mean that when someone suggests people should learn to swim, they are victim blaming people who have drowned in the past.
00:37:19.180So, I thought that was a really good reply.
00:37:22.400And that kind of, I had more of that video to show, but I've, I showed enough and we're at an hour and a half here.
00:37:28.880And then the brilliant reply under of like, water doesn't specifically seek out women.
00:37:33.820And you're like, unable, unable to grasp these analogies for what they are.
00:37:41.420Yeah, there was a certain point where we kind of had to give up a little bit because it was, the message was not going through.
00:37:48.140It is a, you know, you said it, it's a, it's a, it's an inability to.
00:37:53.000Yeah, and, and, and, and the, the fact that you can have, it isn't a, it isn't a, a one or the other situation.
00:38:03.140You can, at the same time that you absolutely should be teaching men from an early age to respect women, respect everyone.
00:38:11.400But I believe, you know, if it's sexist or not, I don't particularly care that men should be particularly concerned with the, with how they treat women.
00:38:21.040Because in general, women are, uh, more vulnerable to us than we are to them.
00:38:27.200So that, that creates a different dynamic that I believe that men should be more sensitive to.
00:38:52.260There's also like having people speak up and stand up for each other, um, which is actively being deterred from the progressive left.
00:39:05.080Um, you have your Daniel Perry situation of an, somebody trying to defend others from a dangerous individual being punished by the full, like being punished more than these criminals get punished when something goes, goes wrong.
00:39:21.280Um, and is that, was that the Marine on the, on the subway?
00:39:24.260Yeah, that was the Marine who like had a headlock and, but again, when you have somebody drugged up and, or it's things happen, but there are other cases of somebody sticking their neck out to try to protect other individuals.
00:39:43.940And getting prosecuted after, if, if, if they're only advocating for like, well, you just got to tell, tell men to do better.
00:39:53.300I'm like, well, some will not listen because there are many disagreeable people.
00:40:00.940There are people that are in and out of, well, you don't, wouldn't you also have a concern of like, well, this catch and release kind of strategies of, well, criminals that have been like.
00:40:14.920If you look at some of these stats, even Vancouver, there's for like random little break-ins and, or like you can see one individual having in a year, a hundred different encounters with the police and not being locked up and preventing that harm.
00:40:29.980So even if you were going over low hanging for you to address, well, repeat offenders with a list that high, if you took them off the streets, they, the risk would go down because they're committing the majority of the crimes.
00:40:46.180So reforming that aspect and you don't see any, these same people that are advocating to just tell men to do better also seem to believe sometimes in just this catch and release.
00:41:05.940They're already in a state where they're committing a hundred crimes in a year.
00:41:10.160So like, yeah, well, and, and, and I know that Julie Bindle would be the same, would be the same type of person to make that kind of argument because of at the very beginning of the conversation, how it took.
00:41:21.920So long for her to, to say out loud who it was, who, who were the majority of the people committing these crimes, because she may say that she doesn't like identity politics, but the way that she speaks and the way that she formulates her arguments suggests that she is taking identity politics into account when she makes these, when she makes her mind up, her mind up about things.
00:41:44.820And it's, uh, it's to the detriment of the, of the seriousness that one can, can really take.
00:41:49.740She was like careful not to give the wrong conclusion.
00:41:55.420It's like, it's, it's a, you have the belief structure and then you're like, well, if the data is racist, then we can't, we can't talk about the data.
00:42:05.320Like they train, I remember seeing, see if we pull this up at some point, they trained the AI on a bunch of scientific studies and then it gave racist results.
00:42:16.380So they had to shut it down and we're like, you know, like if the data is like, is the data racist or like the AI is not racist.
00:42:24.780It's just, you're, you fed it the certain results.
00:42:29.060So like you fed it data and you didn't give it a social enough of a social justice filter.
00:42:35.200So at some point you gotta, at some point we've got to have like real discussions outside of like, we have to make sure my one note on this is the overcorrection can be worse.
00:42:51.760And we have to be very careful on not blanket demonization of, so not all people who enter Canada who have immigrated in the last five years will be the same kind of personalities, the same kind of, you have a whole range of people.
00:43:11.200So you can't, even as we're seeing an increase of like some of these, some of these issues, we can't just, we can't go on a witch hunt.
00:43:22.920We can't go, we can't paint everybody with the same brush.
00:43:27.820And I think any calls for like mass deportations, like without any due process, like we're the, we're going backwards if we're going to be at that point, but we should at least pause and then reevaluate.
00:43:44.160And, or like it, it's not wrong to say like, well, maybe a good background check is a smart idea before letting anybody in as a permanent resident.
00:43:54.520And if somebody has something outstanding in another country, maybe we should bump them to the lower list, or maybe we should be like very diligent about these, like, like that would be addressing some things from the source.
00:44:10.420If, if, if in Europe right now, if these random attacks are increasing or like the, you have countries like Denmark, who at one point where it was 99% of one demographic, and now they have a mixed demographic and the crimes and the attacks are not coming from the demographic that used to, it's from a new demographic.
00:44:32.960So, well, and, and that's, it's a, it's an excellent point.
00:44:38.240And it's something that, um, it's actually, uh, it's, it's surprising to me that more people don't see this, but it's actually, it's actually more racist to believe that we can't talk about these things that we, we just notice with our own eyes.
00:44:55.460Um, for fear of people extrapolating that to mean that when I say that statistically in England, uh, the, the, the most public female, uh, abuse, uh, and rape and beatings are, are happening from Pakistani Muslims.
00:45:17.460Uh, as a fact, as a, as a, as a, as a, as a cold statistic to then assume that, well, well, what you are saying is that all Pakistani men are Muslim rapists and human traffickers.
00:45:32.960So it's of course important to recognize that the, the overwhelming majority of people from any place on earth are good, decent people who don't do these things.
00:45:44.460But the fact still remains that there are places in the world that are well behind the West in their treatment of women and their treatment of minorities of, of, uh, different alternative sexualities and lifestyles.
00:45:57.600And they have not caught up to us in the West.
00:46:00.040And when they come here, those particular, those, that small minority of people, if you import enough of them, of course, you're going to run into the ones who do behave in this way and who do act in this very destructive and disgusting manner.
00:46:15.240So noticing it doesn't mean that you're noticing that you're, that you're making a blanket blanket statement, nor does it mean that it's appropriate in any way to demonize anyone from anywhere who hasn't done anything wrong.
00:46:27.960So thank you for bringing up that point.
00:46:52.160Well, you know, we've, we've sort of been, uh, we've been, been blessed to have some, some good views and hits and likes in our few of our videos recently.
00:47:01.320And, and, uh, thanks everyone for watching and commenting.
00:47:04.180Uh, even, even those, you know, who are commenting, who, who think that we're so wrong about everything and, and, and have no idea what we're talking about.