The Critical Compass Podcast - DEBATE ： Should Alberta Leave Canada？

00:00:00.000 we are planning and hoping to have a live debate tonight with everyone's favorite alberta

00:00:07.760 independence activist marty belanger and better known as marty up north you guys might have heard

00:00:13.320 that he just launched a brand new show with the western standard how exciting congratulations

00:00:17.720 marty yeah thank you i don't i'm not an activist i'm just a i'm just an average joe

00:00:30.000 pundit commentator activist i think they're all appropriate descriptions and um the plan is that

00:00:35.680 he will be debating troy westwood there's a little history here marty already got set up by troy

00:00:41.760 on at least one other occasion oh two other occasions okay so this is on us if he doesn't

00:00:47.680 come like this isn't even his fault you know the old saying fool me once shame on you fool me twice

00:00:53.920 so he seemed more serious this time i mean last time he uh he had a lot you know yeah he perhaps

00:01:02.160 had a valid excuse last time with the uh unfamiliar with spaces so then we were

00:01:09.440 incredibly accommodating this time right i reached out to him again and i said because

00:01:13.360 he's he's notorious for making these pretty uh offhand comments and uh and i said well let's

00:01:18.960 let's let's have a civilized debate and i reached out again and he agreed and thank you because i

00:01:24.640 said to him like i didn't want to give him the excuse of not being familiar with the space i

00:01:28.400 asked like what do you prefer if you want to do a podcast live recorded in studio i mean um it's his

00:01:35.760 uh it's his uh he chose this so well it is foolproof um i would know i've had many elderly

00:01:43.760 guests on my show and you know you basically get a link and you have to click it and it does

00:01:49.040 basically everything else for you so it is as close to foolproof as you can get on the internet

00:01:53.440 these days looking at the clock here at 701 he's just one minute late i think the old saying you

00:01:57.840 know you got to give everyone 15 minutes i personally wouldn't be 15 minutes late to a

00:02:02.000 debate but that's just me you know i'm old-fashioned like that um so we'll see how it goes here but

00:02:08.560 marty you've had an interesting week doing your canvassing i've inspired like there's a there's

00:02:12.640 a real part of me that i mean like i've sort of taken off my journalist hat for the independence

00:02:18.880 movement i would say i'm very much and very evidently pro alberta independence um and i have

00:02:24.880 no issue with talking about that it's i think the first really big issue that i could honestly say

00:02:29.600 like no like i've very much expressed my opinions on this and that i'm in support of it and why

00:02:33.920 you know versus other issues where um i'm more kind of reserved and keep didn't actually voice

00:02:38.560 my opinions this would be the exception to that and so i was i've been seeing your content marty

00:02:43.200 and i've been thinking that maybe i should become a canvasser and go out and sit and have my coffee

00:02:49.760 and get people to sign but then i'm just thinking about my little kids not sure how that will go

00:02:53.680 troy you're here thank you so much for joining us my pleasure figure out this camera uh just

00:03:01.520 while he's figuring it out i mean um hey troy how's it going hey are you

00:03:11.200 can you hear me we can hear you loud yeah we can hear you good yeah we're doing good here we're

00:03:17.120 we pushed it live so it's uh it's good to have you on uh we appreciate you accommodating some

00:03:23.760 time to explore these ideas so my pleasure great so marty you look good james you look

00:03:30.640 good troy you look good is everyone ready to begin or does anyone have any last minute questions they

00:03:35.360 want to go over i'm good okay excellent well got my got my shirt on come representing great well

00:03:45.760 it's 703 so we'll get started then hello everyone thank you so much for joining us for this live

00:03:50.720 debate between troy westwood and marty up north um you might have seen some of their content online

00:03:56.000 i my name is rachel parker i'm the host of rachel parker on youtube

00:04:00.480 um a well-known independent journalist in the canada and alberta independent media ecosystem

00:04:06.080 and my co-host today is james from the critical compass um so yeah we're gonna have a great

00:04:11.760 debate here um james why don't you start off by introducing our opponents yeah i'll give a little

00:04:19.600 introduction so we've got marty belanger aka marty up north he's the unacceptable fact checker

00:04:27.360 he's a vocal voice on x where he fiercely critiques current events canadian federal

00:04:32.560 politics energy politics and institutional failures he's a staunch alberta separatist

00:04:38.000 he challenges anti-independence narratives and debates unitists while exposing perceived lies

00:04:43.920 and biases in the media and the government with a no-nonsense style he pushes for alberta

00:04:49.680 sovereignty smaller government and a return to common sense governance often sparking heated

00:04:56.000 discussions and then we've got troy westwood he's a husband he's a dad 25 years in social services

00:05:04.000 working across frontline support program development and community advocacy 18 year

00:05:10.640 member of the winnipeg blue bombers great um and james i just want to make sure that you're

00:05:17.280 it's streaming live onto at least your youtube yeah we've uh we've got my uh critical compass

00:05:24.320 youtube is live and how about yours on your end it says that it is still waiting on my end interesting

00:05:33.040 um what about let's just do a quick double check with uh

00:05:42.640 is it streaming to your are your broadcasts going on x

00:05:48.800 you're asking me are you asking rachel yes yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

00:05:56.400 the uh yeah if your youtube didn't connect correctly i'll send you the files so

00:06:01.200 yeah i'm live on next as well so it's all good i think i think we've got enough across enough

00:06:06.640 platforms that all people will be able to figure it out um i just want to make sure no one misses

00:06:11.600 out okay so we did come up with a little structure just to keep things focused for today um there's

00:06:16.400 going to be six segments um each of you will basically get to host three or begin three so

00:06:22.480 each segment will start with a question the respondent will have three minutes to answer

00:06:26.800 that question their opponent will then have two minutes to respond and then we'll just allow for

00:06:31.520 five minutes of open debate before moving on to a new segment and we're going to cap it at an hour

00:06:36.880 um james and i we're not going to interrupt um with the exception that if there is a definition

00:06:42.640 or a term that's being used and it's clear that you guys each have different interpretations of

00:06:46.400 what that term might mean we might step in and just ask for clarity just for the overall um

00:06:51.440 sake of the discussion and clarity there all right well that sounds good to you gentlemen

00:06:56.000 we'll begin so um our first topic is culture and marty the first question will go to you you will

00:07:01.680 have again three minutes to answer so marty what is alberta's culture and why is it incompatible with

00:07:08.800 canada um actually that's a good question i i i don't think that alberta's culture specifically

00:07:19.120 is different than uh say other provinces i mean there it's slightly different you know it's

00:07:24.240 different than say quebec's culture it's different than uh newfoundland's culture perhaps different

00:07:29.920 than ontario but that's not the point here the point is when we talk about separation is that

00:07:37.280 whatever our culture happens to be it's not that it's right or wrong is that we just want to

00:07:41.680 protect our culture so a lot of albertans in the last several years have been have a real concern

00:07:48.640 about ottawa's out of control immigration because immigration is not a provincial matter it's a

00:07:53.200 federal matter and lots of and ottawa has basically opened the floodgates and allowed like

00:07:58.160 millions of immigrants and into the country and they land in toronto montreal places like that

00:08:03.280 but they a lot of them end up in alberta and so just in the last year alone uh last couple years

00:08:09.120 we've added like 300 400 000 immigrants to alberta which for a province of a population of only like

00:08:16.560 four million we've added like four percent we grew and it's out of control and it's damaging

00:08:21.840 so it's an example it's not the main reason why you there's a separatist movement but it is one

00:08:26.960 of them and it's not about the fact that our culture is fundamentally different than other

00:08:30.640 parts of canada but we've decided that we want to protect our culture if other if if the rest

00:08:35.760 of canada wants to let in a whole bunch of immigrants and be replaced that's fine that's

00:08:39.680 that's their choice but albertans have decided that uh no we we we want to protect our culture

00:08:44.240 you still have a little time my two minutes

00:08:48.740 i mean i'll just add right um you know i'm not against uh immigration and most albertans are

00:08:57.360 not against immigration because like fundamentally we're a late province to confederation and we were

00:09:04.540 a territory for the longest time and most people that we are the product of a mass immigration in

00:09:11.220 the you know late 1800s early 1900s so there's a lot of people who came here to help build this

00:09:16.780 province and so we're not against immigrants immigration most of us can trace back our families

00:09:22.160 to some form of immigration but we're definitely not in favor of the out of control immigration

00:09:26.960 that's going on and i and i also want to add this right now 25 percent of the people living in this

00:09:33.140 country were not born in canada like that's a big number like that's it's it's it's it's only been

00:09:38.480 that high once in our history so right now you know i don't it's it's it's it's beyond

00:09:45.120 just healthy immigration some of us feel i feel that we're being replaced okay thank you for that

00:09:52.240 marty um troy you will now have two minutes to respond now i would like to respond by asking

00:10:00.160 questions if i can do that and i'll just touch quickly on culture of canada which i absolutely

00:10:05.680 love and especially when you regionalize it the way marty did a little bit there but like you think

00:10:09.760 of the and for me as a prairie boy born and raised here right fairly boring with our culture in the

00:10:15.040 prairies saskatchewan manitoba the same thing same kind of people um drive forever on that flat that

00:10:22.560 the most boring drive there is in the world manitoba saskatchewan um but bc just the kind

00:10:29.040 of the west coast vibe sort of thing the laid back you think about uh surfing out in the island

00:10:35.520 or it's just different right you go to the you go to Vancouver or anywhere in BC and it's different

00:10:40.980 it's got a different vibe to it and then Alberta my folks lived in Alberta and spend I've spent a

00:10:46.280 bunch of time there and it just it's always been sort of the cowboy province and it's definitely

00:10:50.840 a different vibe out in Alberta which a lot of Canadians love and then like I was saying with

00:10:55.780 Manitoba and Saskatchewan and then you get into Ontario which is a whole bunch like Manitoba in

00:11:00.820 the early stages but as you move east then all of a sudden you find you're in the middle of the

00:11:04.260 universe in toronto right that a lot of canadians kind of have fun with and that sort of thing

00:11:08.760 and then of course quebec is like you're in a different country anytime you go to quebec it's

00:11:13.620 it's remarkably culture rich and there's something incredibly beautiful about it and then you get out

00:11:19.520 a little bit east of that and you have all of our brothers and sisters on the east coast there that's

00:11:24.140 holy cow do they have their own sort of thing going up there and some of the folks you can

00:11:27.700 hardly understand and and all the different things that come into play and man that's what

00:11:31.740 to me makes us so rich is that beautiful culture that we have across this remarkable spectrum

00:11:38.180 of space and area and land and stuff and that's one of my favorite parts of being Canadian

00:11:44.260 it's just the the wealth that we have of culture as far as being Canadian and born here and stuff

00:11:51.860 so I would just lean into and and I get the immigration concern like I it's it can be a

00:11:57.700 okay that is a two minute that's a two minute mark so now we'll head into five minutes of open debate

00:12:03.620 and i would like to begin that just by asking marty like why is there so much immigration

00:12:09.060 it's economically based right do you believe that it no i believe that um that uh canada has become

00:12:18.420 an extremely unproductive country and lazy in the sense and our gdp is failing and so the liberals

00:12:25.940 have inflated have allowed a ton of people into the country so that it artificially inflates the

00:12:31.300 gdp number and they love a high gdp number because they are borrowing money recklessly

00:12:37.460 and they're constantly and so they've been they've they've convinced us that we have a

00:12:41.620 an acceptable amount of debt by saying that our debt to gdp ratio is is adequate so they're

00:12:47.300 fudging numbers so we're allowing a whole bunch of immigrants into the country which is basically

00:12:52.420 slave labor as far as i'm concerned walk into any tim hortons and you'll see it and uh and and i

00:12:57.780 think it's it's it's not for healthy reasons we're we're letting in a whole bunch of people because

00:13:03.380 we are destroying our economy and this is a band-aid solution and there's another problem

00:13:07.940 too which is canadians are not the fertility rate of canadians is way low except here in alberta we

00:13:13.540 still have a high fertility rate and so the rest of the country is not having babies because

00:13:17.780 policies are so terrible that nobody can afford to have babies and then we can't keep paying for

00:13:22.840 these social services that we lavish on each other so then we have to have this out of control

00:13:26.880 immigration so i think there it's it out of control immigration is a is the result of other bad

00:13:33.380 policies but i do take offense and i've seen your posting before about you know the racial plays you

00:13:39.740 make on the tim hortons and stuff like that and i when i first saw some of the complaints about it

00:13:43.960 I was giggling to myself because I thought, oh, these rural folks in Alberta are freaking out because they're going to their local Timbs and it's got Indian ownership.

00:13:52.280 Those folks own Timbs, Marty, those folks that are coming in, like the number of Indian business owners in Canada is quite remarkable and beautiful and wealthy.

00:14:02.420 I understand, especially for white folks, the concern about the immigration when sometimes you can be a minority living in a large city in Winnipeg and your culture or your whiteness is a minority, but there's also something truly beautiful to it.

00:14:20.200 And I do profoundly disagree.

00:14:21.800 The one thing I'll agree with you a thousand percent is when some some a-holes are out in Toronto protesting and some folks start saying death to Canada and all that sort of stuff.

00:14:32.840 Those folks should be immediately taken either to jail or sent back home like that.

00:14:37.440 We need to be more careful in vetting who we bring into the country for sure to make sure that they're not fanatical and and they fall in line from that sort of standpoint.

00:14:46.260 there I would really like things to be changed but I think there's a lot of

00:14:50.400 beauty and the folks that come here and we live in a place that's there's so

00:14:53.520 many different cultures here that and I've grown up playing soccer my whole

00:14:57.180 life I coached soccer so that inherently a lot of the globe plays soccer so you

00:15:01.920 know around us we have a large Indian population a large Filipino population

00:15:06.480 and all kinds of other folks from different cultures and I think it's a

00:15:09.540 truly beautiful thing

00:15:12.500 marty did you want to respond or do you guys want to leave it there

00:15:16.340 uh yeah i'll just like i said that you know i'm not against people uh coming here to run

00:15:24.400 businesses i'm not against uh indians that would come here and own a tim horns that's not my problem

00:15:29.720 my problem is the fact that there's just so many of them i mean um tim horns used to be a place

00:15:34.720 where you would go and uh where kids would work and uh and retirees and now it's uh it's it's

00:15:40.640 slave labor from from from imported from other countries it's not slave labor though brother

00:15:47.300 they're getting minimum wage or whatever they're making same as anybody else and different folks

00:15:52.100 that are helping you know and that sort of a thing like i know like it's just it's a pretty

00:15:56.980 hardcore edgy sort of take that you have marty and and when you and you say you don't have a

00:16:02.020 problem with it but when you post some of the stuff that you do it sure looks like you do like

00:16:06.220 it comes off very hateful spiteful hard angry and like you just don't like when you go up to your

00:16:13.240 tims and if you're you know being served by someone who's indian which seems to me really

00:16:18.280 yeah i don't i don't like i i don't like being replaced troy i'm uh i'm proud of my culture and

00:16:23.840 i want to preserve my culture you keep talking about beautiful cultures but at the same time

00:16:28.200 my culture is being replaced and destroyed so where's your sympathy for my culture you keep

00:16:33.000 talking about beautiful cultures everybody else has a beautiful culture except the alberta culture

00:16:37.200 so you have no sympathy for my culture but you have sympathy for the for the filipinos that are

00:16:41.920 coming here and installing a restaurant like do you see the hypocrisy in what you're saying

00:16:46.260 where's your where's your sympathy for my culture or yours well your culture like you have you have

00:16:52.140 what i would call a suicidal empathy like you're being replaced and you're cool with it but i'm

00:16:57.040 not cool with being replaced so i mean we'll agree to disagree and we'll move on to another topic

00:17:01.580 I would say that we're not being replaced. I do not feel as a white dude that I'm being

00:17:07.160 replaced. I do feel that we are being enhanced from a cultural standpoint and that's a part

00:17:12.640 of the richness of Canada. That's my take on it. Perfect. All right. Well, let's move

00:17:18.380 to our second question then. This one is for you, Troy. Do you think Albertans have a right

00:17:25.400 to pursue self-determination through a citizen-led petition and a referendum

00:17:30.900 following the guidelines of the supreme court i'll say f no and if this was they were sitting

00:17:38.180 in the living room together here i'd you know swear openly but no hell no they do not i i just

00:17:43.220 don't i and i know that there is a pathway to it and i know that as when especially when marty and

00:17:50.980 i were younger i don't know if rachel and james you guys are born yet sort of thing but when

00:17:54.260 quebec tried to do it i was way younger i can't remember what year it was exactly but

00:17:58.660 it was a huge ordeal and it bothered me a little bit then my youth but now it would really bother

00:18:04.260 me i think it's something that should be taken away from the provinces and the territories the

00:18:09.060 opportunity any slight sliver and crack of it to leave canada i don't think that it should be an

00:18:15.380 option i don't think that any group of individuals should be able to come together that have some

00:18:21.700 level of discontentment for whatever it is each of those individuals is free to leave the country

00:18:26.740 i do not think that they should be able to come together and as if they own the province and leave

00:18:33.380 and and it's really hard i think for us as canadians and for us as canada to have a strong

00:18:38.980 stable nation when the threat is out there of a province leaving at whenever there's a group

00:18:46.340 of individuals that feel the want or need to leave and connect with it so i think it's something that

00:18:51.460 needs to be readdressed i think the option to do it needs to be taken away it's like that for a

00:18:56.260 bunch of countries in europe where states and provinces do not have the option to leave we are

00:19:00.900 sovereign nation as with our 10 provinces and three territories and i think that it should

00:19:06.420 stay like that and it really bothers me um in a huge way and and takes away from us overall as

00:19:12.660 canadians when there's this option that folks can be upset discontent angry spiteful all those sorts

00:19:19.060 of things and rip a province away from the country or attempt to okay marty we'll go to you for two

00:19:25.540 minutes for a response yeah i mean uh yeah we fundamentally disagree on that one you know i

00:19:32.180 again i treat it as nobody like troy's never asked me personally because he knows i'm a separatist

00:19:36.980 he's never asked me like why are you wanting to separate nobody asked that and and i've and i've

00:19:41.940 given you the example you know if if you have a a relationship between a man and a woman or whatever

00:19:47.860 kind of relationship for business people come together and suddenly it doesn't work out then

00:19:52.420 they should be allowed to separate so we came together as a country under confederation

00:19:57.060 provinces joined with the promise that there would be economic advantages and and defense

00:20:02.100 advantages and other advantages and one of the partners in this relationship right now canada

00:20:06.900 alberta in the past quebec is completely unhappy so in in your analogy you would you would be you

00:20:13.860 would reverse divorce laws you would say to a partner who is unhappy stick it out you're not

00:20:17.700 allowed to get divorced so that's how i view it and and and and then for me it's perfectly

00:20:23.460 constitutional and perfectly valid like why would you want to keep a partner in the relationship

00:20:28.420 albertans are unhappy they're not happy being in this relationship so i i mean i i lived through

00:20:33.940 the first referendum i lived in quebec for the first referendum in the 1980s and then i wasn't

00:20:38.260 there for the second one but i was cheering them on i'm like hey have at her if you're not happy in

00:20:42.260 in this confederation move on so so i i i i i can't make the emotional attachment and and

00:20:50.740 passing a law like that to me that would be a draconian law saying an unhappy partner can't

00:20:55.700 leave that's insane so no we're unhappy and we want to leave i think the i think the the

00:21:00.500 relationship comparison like a marriage is is probably the best one we have for this

00:21:05.540 i think it's a horrible analogy to use um but nonetheless when you and i find it interesting

00:21:13.380 too when you say completely unhappy because it's probably somewhere around 30 right now that

00:21:19.380 that that's the estimation anyway plus or minus whatever it might be of albertans would sign up

00:21:26.440 for independence so i think that i think one thing the folks the separatists that the notion

00:21:32.540 of false consensus phenomenon when they're around others that are always doing this and maybe when

00:21:38.060 you are out getting those signatures marty like you're around individuals especially in rural

00:21:42.780 alberta that really are turned into this or tuned into this but it's still by all accounts somewhere

00:21:49.740 around 30 or so and when you need a clear majority a clear majority like holy cow whatever a clear

00:21:57.340 majority it's very interesting how some of the um ambivalent type of language is in the clarity act

00:22:03.660 like a clear majority is that it's not 55 to me or 60 i don't know what it is but it's some big

00:22:09.660 number and then there's all the things that need to happen uh for you guys to ultimately be able

00:22:14.060 to carry forth your your goal and what you want to do but when you say completely unhappy you're

00:22:19.180 talking right now about a fairly small disgruntled group of individuals that don't like seeing

00:22:25.660 different shades of brown around them too much sure i feel like they're being mistreated by auto

00:22:29.980 and such well so you wouldn't even let those individuals voice their discontent by holding

00:22:36.300 a referendum so i'm i'm with you on this one let us hold that we're we're collecting petitions

00:22:42.220 smith gave us a beautiful piece of legislature called the citizens initiative and we will hold

00:22:47.180 a referendum and i'll stand by it if the referendum fails and doesn't get the majority then i guess

00:22:53.020 will have a mandate to try and renegotiate with ottawa but let us that that's that's not your

00:22:59.180 concern let us oh actually your concern can be valid if you if you think that uh would you agree

00:23:04.540 that if 60 percent of the albertans said we want to go in a referendum would you respect that or

00:23:09.900 would you still say no well i don't know i i inherently i obviously it would be way above my

00:23:16.380 head too i would not respect it for sure because i just don't think that any group of individuals

00:23:21.900 should be able to tear a province away from the country like that okay well that's an interesting

00:23:28.940 okay you made your point clear because i would say that you know if 60 of quebecers said they

00:23:33.420 want to leave i would say congratulations you've you've voiced your your demo it's your democratic

00:23:38.540 right and away you go and by the way i think it's higher than 30 and i also want to say this

00:23:44.140 um alberta was brought into confederation basically kicking and screaming almost annexed in 1905 and

00:23:50.620 there's been a separatist movement in this province every generation has seen one we had

00:23:54.940 one as early as the 1930s like within within a decade of joining confederation people started

00:24:00.140 going what's going on there was another one in the 60s the one in the 80s was huge when pierre

00:24:04.300 elia trudeau imposed the national energy program on us and destroyed us and we just got over that

00:24:09.820 and then trudeau comes junior comes back long we're about to forget about that one and then

00:24:13.900 the east elected carney so anyways the the my my point is you know i disagree i think it's a it

00:24:20.380 well you and i can disagree on this one the courts say otherwise the clarity act the courts ruled on

00:24:26.620 the on the uh quebec referendum and the clarity act says that if a properly worded question and

00:24:32.060 the proper majority uh say yes the province province is allowed to leave confederation

00:24:37.340 the confederate the the so people who call us traitors but are wrong yeah well i i do call and

00:24:43.980 especially individuals like jeffrey rath that you've mentioned like when you're out meeting

00:24:47.820 with what is now a foreign hostile a hostile nation to the south of us for the first time

00:24:53.260 in our lives you you can't say that when donald trump is threatening as a 51st state and whatever

00:25:00.060 else all of the the uh unstable aspect of america when wrath and his team were down there meeting

00:25:06.620 with them and they're helping to plan a way a road to succession to me that's that's vile and that

00:25:13.660 should be they should their ashes should be in jail so like there should be absent and and and

00:25:18.060 and i think i think what carney's doing no no go ahead i mean you're you're i find it very

00:25:24.940 interesting like i just find it interesting how like i would i never i would never feel like i

00:25:30.620 i own manitoba and if i wanted to make it if i was really unhappy i would run for a government

00:25:36.860 position and then make make my feelings uh and thoughts felt that way and if i wanted to make

00:25:42.860 profound change to this province i would be i would want to run for different offices where i

00:25:48.860 could make institutional change in that matter but to try and drive up no but i mean the the

00:25:57.740 the citizens precision is exactly that i mean we have as citizens we have two times when we can

00:26:03.820 exercise our our our voices one is every four years when we vote and then the other one is

00:26:10.220 through these predictions so this petition is a citizen's movement i mean a familiar like

00:26:15.660 we're doing what you're saying we're getting a million people are going to vote on a question

00:26:20.060 and effect change but but i want to come back to one thing uh jeff wrath and those guys they just

00:26:26.060 went to the u.s that was that's the story like that was the worst kept secret on the planet

00:26:31.100 rachel broke that story jeff wrath told rachel and others a year ago i'm going to the u.s to go

00:26:37.820 talk with the u.s like the worst kept secret on the planet and jeff and others went to the u.s

00:26:42.660 simply to talk to say if we were to separate and things got ugly back home could we count on you

00:26:50.200 for a little bit of help could what's the process of getting a loan or line of credit so they were

00:26:55.520 going there and investigating and asking questions no different than quebec did with france and other

00:27:00.280 countries in did you know that when france when quebec was getting ready to uh hold its referendum

00:27:05.800 it had a sheet of paper and the and the president of france was ready to declare you know vive le

00:27:10.800 quebec live and and and and recognize that quebec was a sovereign uh sovereign state by the way and

00:27:16.940 that's the other thing that is equally as wrong it is equally as wrong yeah so when carney last

00:27:22.060 week says uh so right now around the world so carney last week when he says hey i recognize

00:27:26.700 the people of palestine even though they don't have a border and i recognize the palestinian

00:27:30.600 state that's that's correct that's wrong or when he says i recognize if the people of greenland

00:27:35.720 choose to separate from denmark and choose to accept an offer from the us and carney literally

00:27:42.040 says i will respect that so i hope that carney will respect alberta's wishes when we separate

00:27:48.440 troy i'm going to give you just uh you have 20 seconds to respond and then we'll move on to the

00:27:52.040 next segment you can give him more but i think i think with uh with what wrath is doing i i'm just

00:27:59.480 shocked that there's no question the hostility right now that the united states of america

00:28:05.240 presents to canada and nobody is going nobody with who's following things closely is going to listen

00:28:11.640 to anyone in that administration or related to that administration who's saying that they're

00:28:17.080 speaking about this and that they're not giving certain uh speaking of certain names that are

00:28:21.000 doing any of the talking there is no question that america the united states of america has a bested

00:28:25.960 interest if alberta were to secede and it just it stinks it quacks like a duck walks like a

00:28:32.680 dog all these sorts of things it's stinky and i think that it's treason okay that brings us to

00:28:39.880 the end of that round um you guys have sort of just already started talking about what we're

00:28:43.640 going to be discussing next um in our third topic here which is u.s and international relations so

00:28:48.520 marty this question is for you there is a lot of criticism that if alberta does become an

00:28:54.280 independent nation it risks being very quickly absorbed by the united states of america how

00:29:00.760 can we have confidence that alberta would remain independent

00:29:06.440 well i mean i i honestly don't think that the risk of uh alberta being absorbed is any different

00:29:12.680 than canada being absorbed like if you want to think of it from uh let's say let's get crazy

00:29:17.960 and if you want to think of it from a military point of view if the u.s wanted to take over

00:29:21.560 canada that they could have done it but they haven't done it they've had 250 years to do it

00:29:25.400 and they haven't done it so i don't think there's that kind of relationship um so i'm not worried

00:29:32.120 about an alberta because in fact alberta already does you know 80 of its trade with the us and and

00:29:39.400 we have an amazing relationship with the us and we and and i and i don't see the advantage of the

00:29:44.600 us taking us over when they have such a nice relationship with us and there's also the reality

00:29:50.600 you know people the 51 state thing is is was was all blown out of proportion i think that was trump

00:29:57.080 uh toying with uh with carney and then it got blown up but but i also want to say this

00:30:02.440 um for for out for canada for alberta to be annexed into the us like in what form would that

00:30:09.240 be as a territory like invaded as a territory would the other states allow it i'm not sure

00:30:14.680 about that and i'll finish by saying this very pragmatically speaking you know if alberta

00:30:19.320 separates it's a large geography it's a country in in size and gdp similar to um similar to ireland

00:30:26.760 similar to norway or whatever and and can and alberta would still have a relationship with the

00:30:32.040 cat with canada with the us with nato we would join and we would have other partners that would

00:30:36.280 hopefully come to our defense if it was needed but it's not it's honestly not something i fear

00:30:43.640 troy you want to go ahead and respond i sure do when he's when marty's saying but they haven't

00:30:48.280 done it as far as America showing aggression, posing a serious threat to America. America has

00:30:54.300 never had an authoritarian as a president, which is what Donald Trump is and what he's becoming

00:30:59.840 as each day passes. When you're talking about Marty doesn't think he'll do this or that as far

00:31:04.500 as acquiring land, you have Donald Trump referencing the Monroe Doctrine. You have the Monroe Doctrine

00:31:10.160 referenced in Project 2025, which is like the playbook for Trump and the rest of it. And just

00:31:15.200 dive into that that's that that donald trump would love that the whole monroe doctrine and

00:31:20.560 the western hemisphere dividing that up and then it gets into things with putin and and chi as well

00:31:27.520 that sort of thing with with donald trump so no i don't i don't believe that that america would not

00:31:33.120 pose and is not a serious threat right now and i also want to reference when you're talking about

00:31:37.520 the whole statehood thing jeffrey rath in may 20 may 3rd of 25 we need to be an independent

00:31:44.800 country before we can join the u.s one step at a time he admits that after independence the 51st

00:31:51.600 state is on the plate and then rachel you yourself actually tweeted on april 3rd i believe it was in

00:31:58.320 2025 uh jeffrey rath and him saying that um jeffrey rath is says the delicate is planning to travel

00:32:05.840 to dc to pitch president trump on alberta statehood and then wrath's quote is it's quite evident that

00:32:10.880 we're being governed by idiots in ottawa there's a number of us in alberta that have had enough

00:32:14.800 So again, there, he's kind of implying the statehood element.

00:32:18.740 And I see all the time from Geoffrey Raff.

00:32:20.540 He's talking about independence first and then movement into the 51st state.

00:32:24.660 I think it's either naive or just flat falsehood when those who are interested in separating and tearing Alberta out of Canada,

00:32:36.260 I think it's being packaged as independent, so it's a little bit warmer for Canadians to embrace.

00:32:42.900 I think it's flat, though. Ultimately, they're going to become the 51st state if they succeed.

00:32:50.140 Okay, cool. So a quick rebuttal on my part. First of all, Jeff Rath is one of the senior leaders of the Alberta Prosperity Project, which is on hold right now.

00:33:00.780 if there's a referendum in alberta and we choose separation there's a lot of steps so we would we

00:33:06.560 would probably probably somebody like smith could say okay i'll i'll accept the the i'll lead the

00:33:12.080 province into separation or step smith could step down and we would have to elect a new group and

00:33:17.380 then and do do lots of things so jeff is not elected official he can talk all he wants but

00:33:22.720 down the road if we become independent there's a there we will do it then we will still be a

00:33:26.900 democracy and we will elect leaders so jeff can talk all he wants right now he's not a he's not

00:33:31.900 an elected official and on your trump point so back to what i just said if i'll the at on at the

00:33:38.760 best course right now alberta has a referendum at the end of this year starts a negotiation with

00:33:43.420 the rest of canada separates and becomes a nation that's like two and a half years from now in two

00:33:48.320 and a half years from now trump will be gone and so trump might be an aberration right now but he

00:33:52.800 but the americans have a beautiful system where they have a peaceful change of of of power and

00:33:57.920 let's not forget not too long ago the americans had an absolute lunatic named joe biden so right

00:34:03.220 now like if you ask most people in in alberta who might be pro joining the u.s if you said would you

00:34:09.620 want to join with joe biden as the leader or would you join in uh five years from now when uh elect

00:34:15.380 aoc is the new leader people are gonna go oh no so trump is a temporary moment in in that short

00:34:22.540 term and and then the long term uh i i don't see the u.s annexing us there'll be there'll be another

00:34:27.980 president after trump the trump derangement syndrome will come to an end i just want to

00:34:33.260 verify here marty and i get a kick out of folks that say trun straight and trump derangement

00:34:37.580 syndrome anyone could go through my timeline for the last 10 years find anything i've said about

00:34:41.820 trump that hasn't come to fruition but you actually called biden a lunatic and you've stated that you

00:34:46.860 support trump on many occasions so that that's something to digest yeah yeah i i absolutely

00:34:54.700 admire what he's doing for his country i mean he's bringing back the economy he's he's kick

00:34:58.940 he's kick-starting his economy he's bringing back job he's getting rid of the out of the illegal

00:35:04.300 immigrants he's uh lowering taxes is improving the standard of living i mean he's doing what you know

00:35:10.540 you don't have to like trump but trump is one of those politicians who says he's going to do

00:35:15.020 something and does it and so i admire that i'd rather have a guy who's a little bit edgy and

00:35:21.020 that's what he says versus a guy like we have who all who talks out of both sides of his mouth so

00:35:26.780 i mean by all measures my life as a canadian is worse off now than it was in 2014 because i've

00:35:32.700 had 11 years of failure so do i admire trump absolutely because he represents his people

00:35:39.420 it's interesting you're saying after all the failure because you in a tweet or in one of your

00:35:43.260 videos recently stated how last year was a great year for you financially and that your children

00:35:47.980 are all doing well leaving the nest and chasing their dreams so you're in such turmoil and so

00:35:53.260 hard done by in alberta current day that you're living a good life still doing well financially

00:35:57.740 and your children are as well and i want to move also with trump here you just because i'm the

00:36:01.740 last person to be points about no no just because you're just right person to be a thing about

00:36:08.220 marty you're trying to discredit me because i'm doing points and the economy no i'm not i'm not

00:36:17.280 brother i'm not i'm not trying to discredit you i'm just i'm just contradicting just because

00:36:22.300 it doesn't mean yeah yeah all right okay but your your support of trump is i i don't understand at

00:36:31.740 this point in time and i wonder what the percentage is of separatists who are mega or support trump

00:36:36.580 Like, it's huge. And at this point in time, everyone, James, Marty and Rachel, there is something wrong with individuals who are still willing to accept and embrace Donald Trump.

00:36:49.040 He is, you can't, and everyone here is intelligent and has the capability of thinking. The man is very obviously a pathological liar. And he and this Epstein thing is so vile and horrible for people to continue to support Donald Trump when it is, there is, it's not a mountain of evidence.

00:37:08.040 It's a mountain range of evidence with him and the Epstein situation.

00:37:12.460 And whether it blows up, whether it actually all comes to fruition and blows up in two weeks from now, in two months from now, or two years from now, it is going to come up.

00:37:21.180 And everyone that supported Donald Trump is going to have to justify how they overlooked all the obvious signs.

00:37:28.060 So you're going to drop our best, our neighbors, our cousins, the people with whom we've done trade for 250 years.

00:37:37.260 you're going to drop them because of a temporary because they got donald trump and you're going to

00:37:42.300 jump in bed with the communist chinese who by the way carney during the leadership debate last year

00:37:49.740 he wanted that he wanted the talking point so badly that he interrupted the the host and said

00:37:54.860 i just want to say that i think the worst threat to canada right now is china so he said it and now

00:38:00.540 he's jumping in bed with china and you're doing mental gymnastics and backflips to support carney

00:38:05.740 and support china and you're discrediting trump who's done nothing for you trump has not attacked

00:38:10.940 you trump all trump is doing is it should be a wake-up call for us that we've become lazy we did

00:38:16.540 not diversify our trade we've become complacent and trump is doing something for the americans

00:38:22.620 so like it's a way when a man is unstable he's not unstable marty when he has threatened us

00:38:29.500 he's not unstable come on man he has threatened us he's threatened us to make us have us become

00:38:39.500 the 51st state he's threatened to to invade us he's threatened all kinds of the trade

00:38:45.980 the tariffs and all the rest of it the man is a constant perpetual threat and to say that he

00:38:51.100 isn't is remarkable he's not trustworthy he's unstable and he's threatening us as a sovereign

00:38:57.180 nation and when you're talking also about the whole China and trading with China for Pete's sake

00:39:01.560 how look at the numbers are remarkable how deeply entrenched the USA is in trade with China and they

00:39:09.520 are a force and I know there's all kinds of things and I know Theo Fleury thinks by osmosis that we

00:39:14.520 as a nation are going to become communist because we're trading with a communist nation but but

00:39:19.840 China as an entity and as an economic power is is something to behold and it's remarkable

00:39:26.880 And when you have such a threatening, unstable force to the south of us for the first time that we've ever seen where you cannot trust Donald Trump in any measure whatsoever, and Mark Carney, I'm not necessarily a massive fan of any individual party, Marty.

00:39:44.800 But when Mark Carney has to leave Canada and cannot turn to America and needs to start finding other trading partners, I have a hard time not applauding what he has done, given the unpredictable elements of the states and how unstable everything is, where he is reinventing things on the fly along with Europe and everybody else.

00:40:07.020 Like he said, that whole New World Order thing that individuals that sort of are over on your side of the ledger with Theo Fleury and stuff, and all the acronyms come into play and stuff like that with the World Economic Forum and stuff like that.

00:40:21.340 But when Carney mentioned that, when the United States of America had a certain…

00:40:26.260 You were happy when Carney mentioned the New World Order.

00:40:30.480 I'm saying when he did that, Marty.

00:40:32.260 You really should read.

00:40:33.160 Let me finish.

00:40:33.800 Let me finish.

00:40:34.460 You should read.

00:40:34.920 When he mentioned that, he's talking about the standing of the USA.

00:40:40.080 I've given you guys a little extra time for the segment.

00:40:42.060 Marty, I'm going to go to you.

00:40:42.860 You can respond, and then we'll move on.

00:40:45.400 Nah, I mean, the New World Order should scare everybody,

00:40:48.440 and Carney gave us his plan.

00:40:52.180 He wrote a book called, you know, Value.

00:40:54.500 So read his book, my friend, because he's laying out his plan,

00:40:57.640 and he's going to do it to us.

00:40:58.860 So you're going to be on the wrong side of history on this one,

00:41:02.520 you're going to wake up one morning with owning nothing and being happy it's happening to you so

00:41:07.320 i hope you wake up on this one because getting in bed with china again i'm going to fundamentally

00:41:13.480 disagree but let's move on thanks all right um we've talked a little bit of the about the usa

00:41:20.200 uh let's actually i think it's good to bring it back to canada itself um so there are people that

00:41:27.240 are arguing that alberta would be better off like independent from an economic standpoint

00:41:33.640 troy what would you say to those people like what is the economic argument for why alberta's

00:41:40.600 better in canada than it is being independent and this is something james marty and rachel

00:41:49.320 that i do not know the intricacies and the remarkable complexities of whether or not

00:41:55.080 Alberta would be stronger or not in or out of Canada. I've read a bunch in the last week or so

00:42:02.360 about how the dreams and what a lot of those who want to have an independent Alberta, how there's

00:42:08.540 going to be a bunch of level of struggle involved in that sort of stuff from an economic base and

00:42:12.280 all this sort of stuff. But that's not even the question to me. I find it interesting because

00:42:17.060 when we first talked about getting together to talk to one another, Marty was like, you can tell

00:42:21.960 me why Alberta should stay in Canada. And that's not the situation to me. As a Canadian, I don't

00:42:29.580 need to get on my knees and beg that Marty and his separatists, please stay with us. That's not it at

00:42:35.840 all. And I think most proud Canadians are like, to Marty and anyone else that wants to secede from

00:42:41.920 here, get the hell out of Canada. If you're so unhappy and hard done by, then leave the country

00:42:47.260 And we will fight. Proud Canadians will fight to keep Canada a coherent, sovereign nation with the 10 provinces and three territories.

00:42:57.020 And I don't think that Albertans have the right.

00:42:59.580 Some rogue group of discontent individuals who don't like the changing landscape around them a little bit.

00:43:06.800 And they want to buddy up to this hostile power down south.

00:43:11.300 and whether trump was there whether it was trump or anybody else in the states i just can't stand

00:43:17.620 the notion whatsoever but canadians don't need to cow down and beg for these separatists to please

00:43:23.220 change their mind or change course they're right now they're in the minority i think the the further

00:43:28.420 we get into this that you hear more and more proud albertans taking start taking steps and making

00:43:34.980 themselves more vocal saying hey we are the clear majority alberta is staying and going nowhere and

00:43:40.020 And I'm very intrigued and interested to see how certain individuals,

00:43:43.740 Marty said that if, you know,

00:43:45.100 if it ends up being a loss for what they're trying to do,

00:43:47.760 that he'll wear it well and lose with respect and that sort of thing.

00:43:50.960 But I wonder what the likes of guys like David Parker and yada,

00:43:54.240 yada, all these others, guys like Theo Fleury, other individuals,

00:43:57.540 when this does, when this doesn't work,

00:44:00.160 what's going to happen with all these discontents that really push for

00:44:03.920 independence and it fails. And I think it's going to crash and burn.

00:44:07.800 Marty, we'll go to you.

00:44:08.720 all right so i'll yeah so all right i'll pretend that troy is asking me why am i pissed off and

00:44:14.720 why do i want to leave i want to leave for cultural reasons i want to protect my culture

00:44:18.560 but i also want to leave because i'm being economically abused so as canadians as an

00:44:24.480 albertan i pay taxes to three levels of government i my for for the ten thousand dollars i pay in

00:44:30.640 taxes a hundred a thousand bucks goes to my municipality three thousand goes to edmonton

00:44:35.840 and 6 000 goes to ottawa and of the six thousand dollars i send to ottawa i only get about 3 000

00:44:41.360 back in services so the rest vanishes and it's being um it's it vanishes in uh equalization

00:44:48.160 payments it vanishes and wasted programs it vanishes and all sorts of things and for the

00:44:54.000 longest time once in a while albertans can get over that because as i will admit we do very well

00:45:00.640 but once in a while we have a small downturn in the economy or things go wrong and we ask

00:45:05.920 for a bit of help and that help doesn't come but that's that's not even bad enough lately

00:45:11.600 we're being pushed down so they don't want us to they're blocking our pipelines they're imposing

00:45:16.960 net zero on us they're they're they're taking away our firearms they want to take away our land they

00:45:22.400 do all sorts of things but from an economic point of view as an albertan i get no benefit from being

00:45:29.760 in confederation i it's costing me money for me uh during the 18 years that my kids were at home

00:45:37.120 it's estimated that it was six thousand dollars per alberton so i have six kids in my family that's

00:45:42.320 thirty six thousand or six people in my family times 18. i sent six hundred thousand dollars to

00:45:47.840 ottawa that i never saw back and and and and then if we separate instead of wasting that money and

00:45:55.040 sending it to ottawa we'll spend a little bit of it to build our own defense but we will build our

00:45:59.200 slush fund like norway did norway started putting away yeah norway grew a two trillion dollar fund

00:46:06.400 in 30 years and they could and we could do the same thing and pay no income tax

00:46:12.720 okay we'll move to open open debate go ahead troy did marty just say he has six kids

00:46:18.960 four kids sick in my family four kids i have four kids i was gonna say pump the brakes fella if you

00:46:24.000 you got six kids it's trying to pump the brakes but i don't really have any rebuttal to that i

00:46:29.360 just like i i don't you know hey man taxes suck everyone hates paying them they're tough in all

00:46:35.360 the provinces we also have the benefits of the healthcare system that is far from perfect and

00:46:41.680 always a constant thing that's trying to be made better and all the rest of it but you know those

00:46:46.080 things are challenging and difficult and and maybe if alberta separated they would get a bit of a

00:46:51.760 relief from that but then there's all kinds of services that come into play and how they're going

00:46:55.120 to serve their population all the rest of it but again the the heart of the matter of this is i

00:47:00.400 don't really care if alberta and the separatists are going to be better off economically because

00:47:05.120 they leave canada the the option to leave canada should not be in play it is in play it's convoluted

00:47:10.800 as the dickens there's all kinds of hoops to jump through even if they end up getting the vote but

00:47:16.320 i think proud canadians are going to step up and play a massive role in in speaking up and and

00:47:22.800 anyone that's on the fence about maybe i should sign that and vote yes or not i think the the

00:47:27.440 more we get into this the more proud canadians are going to step up and influence people to stay in

00:47:32.320 canada but again troy i i find your argument in like weird so i'm telling you honestly i'm unhappy

00:47:38.560 so you're so if a million albertans said they're unhappy in the referendum you would say to all

00:47:44.400 one million of them get the heck out of the country i would say you are spoiled brats i would say

00:47:50.160 you're ah that one i hear often yeah we're spoiled how lucky we are to live where we live on the

00:47:56.480 planet and then move to alberta if you want to be spoiled with me if and right that's the

00:48:01.440 interesting thing right anyone like that for for the separatist thing that they own in alberta this

00:48:07.440 is my dog gone land that i'm stepping on we're gonna take it and go it's not separatist it's a

00:48:12.560 move into anybody people anybody from saskatchewan and manitoba can move in all the rest said this is

00:48:18.640 canada you can move into different provinces and and take part in the culture or wherever we feel

00:48:23.840 most at home we have the the ability to move around the country as we wish live where we want

00:48:30.080 and so some still have that ability to move you'll be able to you'll be able to

00:48:34.240 it's the whole like i don't know how you would well i would define the movement as a white

00:48:42.480 christian nationalist movement marty when i see that it just is and you want to try and argue

00:48:48.560 with me that it's not going to be more wrong how what what part of what i'm saying is wrong come

00:48:54.560 sit with come canvas with me i pull out my pickup truck and i go park it on the side of the highway

00:49:01.440 and i've been collecting signatures i've been doing it for seven days in a row now and i collect

00:49:05.040 40 or 50 signatures and there i cannot put my finger on the demographic of who's signing it's

00:49:11.040 it's it's trades people it's professionals it's old people it's young people it's immigrants i

00:49:17.200 could if i was allowed to i would read the names off the petition sheet that i have right now and

00:49:22.160 you would be absolutely blown away at who's signing that i've had it it is what percentage

00:49:27.760 of immigration you have signing that marty okay when i say high percentage meetings and all the

00:49:33.680 rest of it i don't see a single you're you're looking at it with your eyes closed troy you're

00:49:38.800 looking at it with your eyes closed i walked the crowds i walked the crowd hey the i walked the

00:49:44.640 crowd we showed you guys the video and you guys are putting the blinders on you are you are in

00:49:50.080 absolute denial of what's going on come see it with your own eyes man come see it with your own

00:49:54.560 eyes marty i see the videos though i see it brother like you're are you so are you trying

00:49:59.040 to tell me that there's a diverse group of canadians yes cheering on succession of alberta

00:50:05.920 yes a diverse group of albert game no no no no i'm gonna call it on that whatever i i i'm gonna

00:50:13.440 share a rural term with you because i grew up around horses a whole bunch i'm gonna call

00:50:16.720 horses on that one mark okay i will go out of my way then to keep producing your videos and putting

00:50:23.760 up videos because that's what i do i sit there at the canvassing location and i keep asking people

00:50:28.800 three questions three simple questions why are you signing uh what do you say to people who think

00:50:34.800 that this is a fringe movement and what do you want to say to carney i'm collecting all the what

00:50:38.800 do you want to say to carney and that's going to be an awesome video because albertans are absolutely

00:50:43.360 you guys are going to wake up and you're going to be shocked when there's when there's a million

00:50:47.200 signatures on that petition you guys are going to if there's a million signatures will you change

00:50:51.440 your tune no nothing will change my tune you have no right to leave the country but let me ask you

00:50:56.560 this what percentage of those who want alberta to succeed that you're signing up and stuff

00:51:02.560 what percentage of those individuals would be trump supporters in your opinion

00:51:08.320 um i don't know if they're trump supporters but i've asked a few of them uh if they prefer

00:51:13.840 independence as a country or join in the u.s and joining the u.s is like almost a big fat zero

00:51:18.880 so i i know you're trying to go there but there's no problem that joining the us would solve that

00:51:25.440 we can't solve on our own do you really think that i want to join the us and be a teeny weeny

00:51:31.120 little state farther from washington than i am currently from uh from ottawa like it solves no

00:51:37.360 problem the only the only thing that would be advantageous to joining the us would be perhaps

00:51:41.840 their their economic powerhouse and temporarily adopting their dollar and the umbrella of

00:51:46.640 security that they provide from defense but there's no there's no solution that we can't come

00:51:51.280 up on our own the problems that we have with confederations that's not the point that i'm

00:51:54.480 making though marty but the point that i'm making no but that's the question you asked and the

00:51:58.640 answer is nobody wants to join the u.s it's it's the by and large this movement that you're part

00:52:04.640 of is a white christian nationalist movement and i know for sure david parker embraces that

00:52:10.000 and pushes that in a huge way and there's nothing you can say to to change my mind on that mega is

00:52:16.240 a white christian nationalist movement at its base and so is the only in alberta i i will say this

00:52:23.840 i will say this i i think you're wrong on that one but i will say this there probably is more

00:52:28.960 albertans who who are like me who appreciate what trump is doing for his country than than

00:52:36.080 ontarians because it albertans and you're you're close as a as a manitoban we lived a different

00:52:43.120 history what the history of of of the prairies and the and the us is different than the history

00:52:49.760 of ontario and and new york and boston and the states there so i do say i have more in common

00:52:56.080 with my american counterparts with people in texas and and oklahoma than i do with people in

00:53:01.120 the maritimes so perhaps yeah and for that reason there is there is there is a there's a hang on one

00:53:07.200 second there hang on one second there's a kinship with the us and we also like trump because trump's

00:53:12.160 not a like trump likes us and we like him because he buys our oil we do business together we don't

00:53:18.320 antagonize each other whereas you guys through carney and doug ford are antagonizing trump so

00:53:24.880 of course it's it's all rubbed up but we don't antagonize you guys get when when trump wasn't

00:53:30.080 even elected yet and danielle smith was going into the us and meeting trump you guys were like

00:53:34.560 she's not on team canada my god like like you want us you you want politicians to do what they're

00:53:40.800 they're supposed to do and then you don't want them to do so daniel smith built a relationship

00:53:44.120 with the u.s and consequently and donald trump and he's not there's no animosity to us and you

00:53:49.000 guys have animosity and you wonder why doug ford does a commercial during the super bowl mocking

00:53:54.660 the americans ah come on so marty marty anyone that you guys are antagonizing the united states

00:54:01.000 of america like we we are we are responding to the antagonism of donald trump which is world

00:54:08.840 renowned marty but it seems to somehow fly past you or through you like the the amount of lying

00:54:14.360 the man does the threat and the lack of stability that he's got the entire globe laughs at donald

00:54:20.840 trump but yet you and it seems like the your circle embraces donald trump and yet he's one

00:54:27.080 of the most vile individuals on this planet who is also donald trump has done nothing with jeff

00:54:33.000 donald trump has done nothing bad to me donald trump is buying four million barrels of oil from

00:54:37.560 alberta no no he's the united states of america not the entire world is laughing at trump that

00:54:42.680 or ask the people in venezuela how much they marty go ask the p united states of america

00:54:50.440 of alberta now now you're gonna now you're gonna tout his his wars stopping ability and all the

00:54:57.720 rest of it you're you're in yeah yeah i am with them well you know what you're no i don't suffer

00:55:03.960 you're embracing you're bracing no i'm looking with my eyes and i can formulate an opinion on

00:55:08.760 my own i can formulate it so then how do you how do you how do you accept the whole epstein thing

00:55:13.560 marty and how do you tell me that i tell me how you think doesn't bother me i don't care i'm not

00:55:19.560 on why do you care about epstein because carney's on 69 times you want to go down that path you

00:55:25.160 have four no you want the facts get the facts oh well then you have four kids forget about

00:55:30.200 epstein then if you want to go down this path if you want to go down the path of protecting children

00:55:35.080 then then you should be ashamed of yourself for voting for the liberals who keep uh promoting

00:55:40.520 uh this transgenderism like come on man like you're going epstein epstein is dead and it's

00:55:46.440 an island and it's something that happened 20 years ago and it doesn't affect me epstein doesn't

00:55:50.360 affect you and it doesn't affect me it doesn't affect you man if you want to protect children

00:55:54.520 doesn't affect you should read critical of the liberals not when we were kids you're deflecting

00:55:59.560 we were kids marty deflecting i'm not you're deflecting marty when we were kids okay i'm

00:56:05.160 gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna let troy respond and then we're gonna move on to the when we were kids

00:56:09.640 marty when we were kids and i find it really sad that the generations and i think it's mostly gen

00:56:15.240 x and and certainly gen z here but when we were kids marty we heard about people who it has it's

00:56:22.120 not affecting me and they just let it happen right and the never again that whole the that that whole

00:56:27.640 notion of an authoritarian type rule and individuals the parallel now you're being a

00:56:32.360 hypocrite because now you're being a hypocrite because earlier you told now you're being shut

00:56:37.080 up martin because earlier yeah but earlier you said that it doesn't care because but for you

00:56:43.080 for you to just brush aside the epstein portion of donald trump's soul and all of his pathological

00:56:49.160 line which is undeniable okay guys okay guys all right moving i think ridiculous if you want to

00:56:56.120 get back to that at the end you can um i let you go quite a bit longer there because i i cut i cut

00:57:01.720 one of the segments because it was getting a bit redundant you had already talked about it

00:57:05.080 so this will be our final segment um and i'll give you a little extra time in this as well and we're

00:57:10.120 going to take a look at albert's future here um this question was originally for troy but since

00:57:15.000 he started with the last one um i will go to you marty let's say we have an independence referendum

00:57:21.800 and it fails should canada still seek to address separatist dissatisfaction with confederation

00:57:29.560 and if so how can that be done

00:57:33.960 i would hope so i mean if it if it fails you're talking very you know practically not getting the

00:57:40.280 vote but if if we get to a referendum that's still it's still a it's still a symptom that

00:57:45.560 there's something wrong so so i would hope that if we have a referendum but it doesn't get the

00:57:49.640 majority that that ottawa and maybe the other provinces will have a wake-up call and try and

00:57:54.360 fix confederation i still don't think it can be fixed because there's been those attempts you

00:57:58.520 know we had meech lake and we had other accords uh charlottetown accord and and the the the

00:58:06.280 playing field is not even and then the east is getting a huge advantage and they don't want to

00:58:11.400 open that constitutional accord and they don't want to eliminate the equalization formula they

00:58:15.960 they don't want to give the Ottawa and Ottawa doesn't want to give powers back to the provinces

00:58:19.700 so um yeah short answer it will send a message but uh well actually the interesting thing is that

00:58:27.520 I think before the end of the year Alberta will probably have a referendum and Quebec will elect

00:58:32.660 a uh separatist government again the PQ is going to get elected in Quebec so I maybe maybe there

00:58:38.540 will be a huge wake-up call for the country and maybe we will sit down and have a constitutional

00:58:44.360 debate but I'm not hopeful. Troy you want to go ahead and respond? I think when this fails that

00:58:52.900 there'll be a celebration for Canadians to some degree and certainly with our proud brothers and

00:58:58.580 sisters in Alberta that want to stay in Canada and hopefully there's no truly negative things

00:59:07.140 any sort of strong revolts or anything like that with the separatists that want to separate and

00:59:13.200 then their dreams get squashed and that sort of thing. And then I think it's very important. And

00:59:16.420 as Marty brought up, the flames that are burning with separatism or separating from Canada still

00:59:23.580 alive in Quebec. I think it's very important that we live in a time right now that is in this

00:59:29.320 hemisphere, the most turmoil exists now since World War II. And I think it's very important

00:59:36.080 that Canada takes steps and takes measures because we cannot be a strong, stable nation

00:59:41.400 until the option for provinces to leave is extinguished and changed.

00:59:45.400 And I think the laws need to be addressed.

00:59:47.600 We have all kinds in this day and age of disinformation.

00:59:51.080 We have foreign entities that are playing major roles in influencing thought,

00:59:56.720 creating all kinds of trouble on social media platforms that are unregulated

01:00:00.820 where disinformation runs wild and all the rest of it.

01:00:03.220 We have Putin, a very hostile Russia.

01:00:06.760 Trump, a very hostile America.

01:00:08.400 that Canada needs to protect itself, I believe.

01:00:11.980 So I think that the laws need to be rewritten

01:00:13.820 so that it can't happen again.

01:00:15.680 And hopefully things can move forward

01:00:17.540 where all these different, beautiful,

01:00:19.260 distinctive parts of Canada can work together,

01:00:21.920 come together to operate more effectively,

01:00:24.340 more efficiently.

01:00:25.120 And for anyone who is of Marty's ilk,

01:00:27.240 who is truly upset and angry,

01:00:30.120 you can either leave the country

01:00:31.320 or you can get involved at the governmental level

01:00:33.640 within the framework of Canada

01:00:36.540 and try to make change that way.

01:00:38.400 marty go ahead which is what we're doing we're getting involved within the existing framework

01:00:45.620 the constitution this clarity act and and other things say that we're allowed to do what we're

01:00:50.380 doing so i am getting involved i know you don't like it but citizens of alberta are getting

01:00:54.780 involved but at the end of the day i find your comment absolutely incredible like rather than

01:01:00.020 find out why a group of citizens in alberta or quebec are unhappy and perhaps addressing their

01:01:05.960 unhappiness and fixing what's wrong with the constitution your solution is let's just tighten

01:01:10.760 it down and let's not let those fuckers get out of here let's prevent them from getting pissed off

01:01:15.720 even though they're pissed off let's prevent them from voicing their opinion and if they're really

01:01:19.880 pissed off they can just get the hell out like that's such a that is such a draconian way to

01:01:25.260 think about the problem like you've literally not asked anybody why we're pissed off you're just like

01:01:31.460 you're pissed off but you shouldn't be pissed off and i don't and and i'm not going to allow you to

01:01:35.700 pissed off you're literally you were literally the kind of guy that if your neighbors who've

01:01:40.300 been married for 20 years and the girl said the wife or the husband said i'm fed up i'm being

01:01:45.220 abused i want out of this relationship you'd be like nope you can't get out because the law

01:01:49.500 doesn't allow it that's what you would do you would make the laws you literally need a different

01:01:54.800 analogy repeal the divorce laws in this country that's interesting that's fascinating and and

01:02:00.680 your typical liberal in a typical liberal you do not like you you your solution is more force and

01:02:08.860 more and take away the i mean you even said it you're pissed off that we're selfish you call us

01:02:13.860 selfish and you call us uh treasonous spoiled and spoiled sure spoiled and and so we're spoiled

01:02:22.640 and your answer to the us being perceived as spoiled is i'm just gonna make it impossible

01:02:28.920 for you to voice your concern wow that's that's interesting but i mean thanks for coming out

01:02:33.960 your concern and battling to leave the nation are two totally different we've been voicing our

01:02:39.400 concern for a hundred years see this hat here it says 1905 we've been voicing our concerns since

01:02:46.280 1905 but if you look at the map of canada there's this little triangle in the corner we have a

01:02:51.320 dispar by the way we have a disproportionate amount of seats we're not represented statistically we

01:02:56.860 are disproportionately represented we got a bum teal we have 34 seats in the house of common

01:03:01.660 whereas maritimes have like 34 but we have three times the population so even if it but even if it

01:03:07.900 was proportionate you draw a little triangle of montreal toronto and ottawa there's 25 million

01:03:13.020 people in there there's 30 million people out east and they keep voting for things that they care

01:03:17.260 about and they push them on the rest of us they don't like guns in ontario and quebec and and

01:03:22.540 And consequently, I'm not allowed to have guns.

01:03:24.880 They want electric vehicles because they believe in this bullshit net zero.

01:03:29.500 And I'm forced to suffer those consequences.

01:03:32.660 So the whole country is messed up.

01:03:34.660 And we've been fighting since 1905 to get out.

01:03:37.340 The separatist movement is not new.

01:03:39.340 Canadians have been ignoring us.

01:03:40.980 And finally, this one is taking root.

01:03:43.560 And we're really, really pissed off.

01:03:45.560 And so you guys are going to have to deal with the consequences.

01:03:48.160 And people who know, know that it's bad for Canada because it will break up Canada.

01:03:51.880 But I didn't break up Canada.

01:03:53.680 You guys did by constantly abusing us.

01:03:56.660 You know, the consequences are probably going to go out like a little burning brush fire when you guys end up with 30% of the vote.

01:04:05.520 Now, 1905, what's the ironic thing here, Marty, is in 1905, the same way that you view going up to Tim's and Indian individuals are helping you,

01:04:16.580 a French-Canadian going to Alberta in 1905 probably wouldn't have been embraced so much there.

01:04:21.360 like there's a whole that's a very i noticed when you talk about this you're damn right you know

01:04:25.780 damn well that's right if a french individual strolled into alberta in 1905 they would have

01:04:32.260 the exact same views as you as you do of the indian helping you attend there's that there's

01:04:38.420 no you could say that about maybe maybe the indians were concerned about the english and

01:04:44.320 the french coming but uh but the english weren't concerned about the french coming because they

01:04:48.400 both came at the same time and by the way there's a mountain in the in jasper park called mount

01:04:52.860 belanger which is one of my ancestors and he was a guy in this country in the in 1822 so we've been

01:04:58.460 here a long time side by side with the natives and we had a pretty strong relationship my so

01:05:03.800 anyways that's a that's a different story but um yeah hey troy kudos thanks for coming out man i

01:05:10.480 mean i was hoping you would do a sales pitch on why we should stay but now i see that you really

01:05:16.980 um yeah you you you really don't want us to leave but you don't want to listen to us of why we're

01:05:24.700 concerned and you want to force us to stay which is a very interesting concept it's uh that doesn't

01:05:29.280 seem very democratic to me but troy we'll give you 30 seconds to respond and then we'll close

01:05:33.960 it off for the evening i'm all ears for listening to discontent of what right now is a super minority

01:05:41.480 in Alberta of individuals, mostly white men.

01:05:44.560 From what we're seeing, there's this group of individuals

01:05:47.080 that support Donald Trump, that are really unhappy

01:05:51.400 with the immigration coming in, that are Christian by nature.

01:05:54.760 And there's just, there's some level of discontentment

01:05:57.220 and anger there.

01:05:58.060 And I struggle to understand the level of anger at what it is.

01:06:02.180 But hey, man, we see it in the States right now as well.

01:06:04.620 So I, it's, and it's a global thing a little bit right now.

01:06:07.280 So I struggle to understand it, but I'm all ears.

01:06:09.840 I hope that wherever this is going, that Alberta ends up staying, and I hope that all those that are truly discontent and unhappy in Alberta, that there could be ways found so that ultimately all those individuals and their families and children, generations to come, can grow up as proud Canadians.

01:06:27.000 Gentlemen, thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate both of you coming out and sharing your perspective, and also a huge thank to James, who really pulled us all together on the technical side of things.

01:06:35.640 So hopefully we can do this again sometime soon. Thanks, everyone. Have a great evening.

01:06:39.220 Thank you, James. Thank you, Rachel. Appreciate it. Thanks guys. Happy to have you both on.

The Critical Compass Podcast - February 13, 2026

DEBATE ： Should Alberta Leave Canada？ - Marty Up North & Troy Westwood

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