The Critical Compass Podcast - ＂Diversity is Fundamentally a WEAKNESS＂ - Daniel Tyrie on How Remigration Can Fix Canada

00:00:00.000 and it makes no sense to bring people here if they're not going to succeed like

00:00:04.560 i'm pretty anti-immigration as a concept but like even i can concede that if there's a gap

00:00:11.280 in the in the labor force if we literally do not have these sort of specialized skills

00:00:16.560 and there is a person in another country that can uniquely fulfill these things like yes sure they

00:00:22.800 should be brought into our economy but if if people are being brought in and then subsequently

00:00:28.960 they're unable to bring in their family members who get to you know use our healthcare system even

00:00:35.760 though their family has not you know in intergenerationally been paying into our social

00:00:41.920 safety net or other dependents that are coming into the children taking advantage of our education

00:00:48.640 system fundamentally i don't we shouldn't be importing anyone that can't immediately adapt

00:00:54.800 and integrate into our economy and society and the priorities of our government should be to

00:01:00.240 serve the interests of our people not not foreigners coming into the country like that should this just

00:01:05.920 fundamentally i believe that that should not be the priority of our government

00:01:26.080 hello everyone well welcome back to the critical compass uh i'm mike and this is james and we're uh

00:01:31.760 uh pleased to be joined today by daniel tyree he's the uh former uh director of the pbc for about five

00:01:38.720 years i believe he's a uh canadian history buff and uh and he's uh his focus i would say in the last

00:01:46.160 little while has been centered around the concept of re-migration uh immigration of course is a uh has been

00:01:52.720 a hot topic in canada for for decades probably even more so in the last decade as uh as uh it's sort of

00:02:00.240 gotten out of hand most people would say and uh daniel can you um you know maybe give give the

00:02:05.680 guests a little bit of a uh of a intro on yourself and and kind of why why you're why you've decided

00:02:10.880 your focus is going to be on re-migration yeah for sure well first uh thanks for having me on you

00:02:16.480 guys it's nice to nice to talk about uh these things uh as you as james said uh i'm the former

00:02:24.880 executive director of the people's party of canada i've served in that role for five years

00:02:28.480 um i really got into politics uh with a focus on on immigration policy um i studied politics

00:02:37.040 throughout university at the university of waterloo um and got i jumped right into the ppc

00:02:43.280 right when it launched uh in the fall of 2018 it was right after i was graduating uh and kind of

00:02:49.920 throughout my degree uh i was focused on all sorts of different policies and i just kept realizing that

00:02:55.920 kind of everything leads back to immigration uh whether it be uh issues with our education system

00:03:03.760 issues with our healthcare system issues with the housing crisis uh everything just kept leading back

00:03:11.920 to immigration uh and this was back in in 2018 when when numbers were much lower uh than they are in

00:03:21.680 current year and in the last few years and especially uh so i started getting really concerned about

00:03:28.000 this issue and uh i dove right into the to try and make an impact in in politics in a way that i

00:03:36.720 thought was uh accessible and impactful and ever since then the situation has just got more and more out of

00:03:45.520 hand um and as a result more and more radical kind of solutions are are necessary uh i no longer work

00:03:54.400 with the the people's party of canada i'm just kind of a an independent citizen a bit of a content creator

00:04:01.600 uh and i try and do some some basic activism around the concept of re-migration uh so it's a pretty

00:04:10.160 simple concept as you can understand uh immigration is when people come here re-migration is when people

00:04:16.080 go back um so as i see it uh over the last especially through the tail end of the trudeau administration

00:04:25.440 immigration got so out of hand uh the the official figures for for permanent residents were

00:04:34.080 in excess of half a million when you factor in uh temporary foreign workers uh uh foreign students

00:04:43.840 these uh pathways that are technically supposed to be temporary uh streams of immigration but

00:04:50.560 with strong paths to permanent residency uh our immigration figures were well over a million

00:04:57.600 a year and we can see the impacts on their society uh the housing sector uh inflation uh increasing

00:05:07.920 unemployment especially amongst youth and elderly the more vulnerable uh kind of segments of of the

00:05:14.720 employment sphere uh all of these are massive problems but also we can see uh how our country's been

00:05:21.120 transforming uh especially over over recent years um uh we see you know massive cultural festivals

00:05:31.760 uh of foreign cultures we see we see violence and tribal conflicts playing out in our streets

00:05:37.920 um and even just some of the the largest kind of civic demonstrations are are you know mass protests

00:05:45.200 about foreign issues uh be it israel palestine or uh calistani referendums uh for for a seek ethno

00:05:54.800 state in a foreign country like this is some of the most massive political demonstrations that we're seeing

00:06:00.160 uh on a on a regular basis uh and it's really eroding canadian identity we don't see the same kind of civic participation from

00:06:11.840 uh real canadians heritage canadians and i i think that's having a damaging effect on our society writ large

00:06:18.640 um so as i see it the the only solution is not uh just to to reduce numbers as some people are getting

00:06:26.800 more comfortable saying you know mark carney pierre paulia there seems to be a general consensus that

00:06:31.680 things have gotten a bit too out of hand we need to slow things down a bit but really that's not enough

00:06:37.360 after the last few years like it's not enough to just plug the hole in the in the ship we have to

00:06:41.760 start bailing out water um and that's where this concept of re-migration comes in um so i find that so

00:06:48.960 many people think uh that the situation's just kind of lost we have to like live with the consequences

00:06:55.360 of justin trudeau and his radical ideology but that's not really the case in my book uh you know

00:07:03.920 politicians brought these people here and politicians can send them back just the same

00:07:09.520 so in practice um like what what would that actually look like because we have we have a whole range of

00:07:17.200 like ideas about immigration you have people that say well we need open borders and that's what a

00:07:23.360 liberal society will do and then you have people like well 200 000 that's a comfortable amount then

00:07:29.200 you have some people saying well we've got to pause it for five years then play catch up um but i i think

00:07:37.360 where you're coming from is you're looking at the almost like the supply and demand like it's a numbers

00:07:43.040 game aspect of like well we only have so much space in our hospitals we only have so many houses we only

00:07:49.840 have so many things and we currently are a welfare heavy country and all these social programs the

00:07:57.760 more you feed into it the more these programs are strained and they have not grown proportionately

00:08:04.800 with the population and this is a large influx of people who are there's no pressure to fully

00:08:10.640 assimilate so this is like a different flavor of immigration than what was happening even in like the

00:08:16.560 80s and 90s where you have people fully integrating and adopting canadian values in a way that we're

00:08:23.280 not seeing now because you mentioned yeah the grievances are being brought over as well so

00:08:30.640 if pausing is not enough what does that look like is it a is it like any temporary foreign workers are

00:08:38.880 automatically sent back is there a threshold for like the number of years somebody's been in canada

00:08:44.160 uh what are some rough what's a rough framework or like number for that that's a great question

00:08:53.520 and it's interesting that you bring up the the kind of 80s and 90s because this is really when

00:09:00.400 in my book mass immigration started so under brian mulroney who was prime minister in the in the 80s

00:09:06.560 um he transformed our style of immigration uh before then we had what was kind of colloquially

00:09:13.840 known as a tap on tap off style of immigration so when the economy was hot and we needed more workers

00:09:21.360 uh government quotas would go up and we'd bring in more people when the economy was stagnating or

00:09:26.480 or doing badly they would turn off the taps and there would be very little to no immigration brian

00:09:32.240 mulroney changed things so that it was just kind of an annual flat figure and since then we've only

00:09:38.080 seen that flat figure go up and up and up and up and up um so around that time it was we'd have you

00:09:44.480 know average 100 000 sort of a year uh brian mulroney brought that up to about 250 000 and it's steadily

00:09:53.760 increased year over year other than like a dip during covid um like even conservative prime ministers

00:10:00.080 like stephen harper have overseen a gradual increase in overall immigration um so it's funny that you

00:10:07.600 kind of bring up that period because that really is the kind of beginning of mass immigration it's kind

00:10:14.000 of a turning point in canadian immigration policy so perhaps that's a difference of uh i was more

00:10:20.000 pointing to the cultural difference in i feel like there was less abuse of a system so regardless of what the

00:10:29.760 numbers were and regardless of the rate of increase starting then i feel like the people coming there

00:10:36.800 worked a little bit harder to get in and their actual amount of contribution was a little bit higher

00:10:42.880 versus you're looking now and you have the like temporary foreign workers taking advantage of the

00:10:50.000 systems you have food banks being like people are telling like this is how you take advantage of this

00:10:55.760 free food you have a lot more of the like give something to me attitude when i completely agree

00:11:03.840 but it also comes down to that policy difference right uh because the way it was formed around uh

00:11:10.080 economic activity and and when our uh economy could integrate more workers more people were coming in

00:11:17.760 the numbers overall were lower allowing integration to to work a bit uh more smoothly now that these

00:11:25.120 factors have been taken off completely we've seen a gradual change now we're in in this radical period

00:11:30.080 where things are completely out of hand as you're saying the systems are being completely abused um

00:11:35.600 and a lot of it is is pushed uh to the uh to the next level by these temporary uh programs foreign

00:11:43.280 students temporary foreign workers which have really grown obscenely since since the period we're indicating but

00:11:49.680 that's why i wanted to bring it back to that period um this completely different style of

00:11:54.160 immigration allowed for better integration into socially and into our economy these things are

00:12:00.560 intertwined um whereas now especially with this burden of temporary uh migrants who you know have

00:12:08.720 even less incentive to to integrate into our society because they're not even going to be here uh

00:12:14.800 permanently um we're seeing really uh much larger social impacts um so uh to bring it back to to the

00:12:25.280 original question around uh remigration uh remigration is a kind of term that's been taking off mainly in

00:12:31.280 europe where uh where they've seen uh many many of these european countries are a little bit ahead of us

00:12:37.280 uh as a regard of waves of migration and migrant crises that have impacted those countries um it's

00:12:45.600 it's uh a term that's been popularized by an austrian activist named martin selner uh he literally wrote

00:12:53.680 the book on uh remigration uh simply put it's it's kind of an umbrella term including a wide variety of

00:13:02.240 policies with the general ends of uh returning foreigners to their homeland but it's rooted in

00:13:10.960 this uh idea that mass immigration has not only caused economic problems which it definitely has

00:13:19.280 um but also uh it's rooted in the concept that uh a country is more than just economic boundaries

00:13:29.280 with uh with laws and an economy countries are based based on nations and and strictly speaking

00:13:38.560 uh a nation like these while they're often used as synonyms country nation it's it's not exactly

00:13:45.760 accurate a nation is a group of people with common ancestry a common history a common culture a common

00:13:52.640 language um it's really the the next building block beyond the the family unit

00:13:59.600 um the nation is is really an extended family um and uh re-migration is kind of rooted in this idea that

00:14:09.440 uh mass immigration especially but immigration policies in general uh when they when used

00:14:16.800 irresponsibly uh have an impact on the ethno-cultural identity of the nation and fundamentally transforms

00:14:23.760 them into something else and we've been seeing this especially in in uh areas and even cities that

00:14:29.760 have become at the ghettos uh the common ones people point to are things like brampton and surrey um so

00:14:37.280 uh re-migration is not just to protect the economic interests of canadians or or whatever nation that

00:14:45.120 we're focused on it's also to preserve the the culture and identity of those nations for the long term

00:14:51.120 so in canada what would re-migration look like um it's going to differ from country to country based

00:14:56.640 on their laws and their own issues but in canada i see it as uh you know starting with an immigration

00:15:02.720 moratorium um putting it in indefinite pause on permanent residencies entering the country

00:15:09.920 um i would suggest uh entirely abolishing the temporary foreign workers program this is a

00:15:17.120 program that's been hugely abused but in in recent years in particular it was started as a program

00:15:24.720 just for temporary seasonal agricultural workers and it's spun up into this ridiculous program where

00:15:31.440 people are working at gas stations and fast food chains on temporary visas like these jobs

00:15:38.000 are one supposed to go to young people or or very old people um to get job training or to to to

00:15:47.360 augment uh you know social security and pensions um or or they're supposed to uh we're supposed to

00:15:55.040 expect our our companies to invest in capital and uh modernize and uh automate uh in order to use

00:16:03.920 labor more efficiently instead they're taking these kind of short-term band-aid solutions of temporary

00:16:08.640 foreign workers which have knock-on effects because you know even if you're here temporarily you still

00:16:14.720 uh you still bid up uh the prices of goods and services and create inflation you uh you still need

00:16:22.480 a place to sleep you still you know increase demand for rent and and so on um so i would say my

00:16:30.720 moratorium on immigration abolishing the temporary foreign workers program i'd like to see things like

00:16:36.800 a uh rather a uh a restriction of birthright citizenship um right now canada has some of the

00:16:46.480 most lax birthright citizenship rules uh across the world uh a person born to a tourist uh

00:16:55.680 uh an illegal immigrant uh a temporary foreign worker uh someone born in our boundaries to to

00:17:03.840 anyone like this automatically gets canadian citizenship um and this is really like non-standard

00:17:11.040 across the western world um so i'd like to see a change in those laws to decentivize what they call

00:17:16.480 birth tourism like there are programs out there that that help enable people to come here for

00:17:21.920 a vacation and have a anchor baby to help them and their families uh get on a pathway to permanent

00:17:29.840 citizenship um so i'd modify the laws around that to uh to restrict it so you need at least one

00:17:38.800 canadian-born parent in order to uh for the child to pass on uh citizenship this is pretty standard

00:17:46.880 among european countries um like there's a there's a wide variety of policies that we can uh discuss

00:17:55.760 that would follow under this umbrella term um the other important one uh would be something like uh

00:18:02.800 setting up a a voluntary repatriation program um so this would look like uh the government enabling

00:18:10.800 recent immigrants to renounce their citizenship and return to their home country often exchange for a

00:18:18.560 small uh uh financial incentive a lump sum um while uh you'd provide something like travel and help with

00:18:28.240 logistics to get them out of the country and provide them a financial incentive especially targeted

00:18:32.880 to people that aren't assimilating into our society the people that are are living as foreigners uh

00:18:39.040 amongst us um that might be more happy back in their home countries um and of course we have to engage in

00:18:48.560 a large-scale deportations according to official government records there's somewhere between 20 000

00:18:55.200 and 500 000 illegal immigrants across canada um and many experts expect the the number to be even higher

00:19:02.400 than that 500 000 figure um these people need to be located rounded up and deported from our country um

00:19:10.800 because they can't they shouldn't legally be here um so there's a wide range of policies i i have many more

00:19:18.960 ideas uh than than just these but this kind of gives you a picture of what a uh a department of remigration

00:19:29.040 uh might might prioritize uh under under my government hypothetically uh yeah you know that's you

00:19:38.560 touched on an interesting point there about about um incentivizing people to kind of leave voluntarily

00:19:43.840 so that you don't have to necessarily uh you know enact you know the logistics of of making that happen

00:19:50.160 the the you know the flights and the ships and whatever right um i i don't know that i could

00:19:58.320 point to you know a single source or a or a or a single piece of information that makes me think this

00:20:04.640 but it seems quite clear to me let's take india for example because i think it's pretty well understood

00:20:10.160 that the the the bulk of of immigration to canada has been from one country in the last decade or so and

00:20:15.360 then that's been india literally the majority comes from just three countries right uh about 70 of all

00:20:20.960 immigration over the last few years comes from just india china in the philippines right and india

00:20:28.960 leads the pack so it's not just now reception thing like it's it's quite literally yeah the numbers back

00:20:35.200 it up yeah yeah of course um now it seems to me that there there could be so what i was going to say

00:20:43.440 it seems that i you know i can't quite pinpoint exactly why i think this but there might be a

00:20:48.880 some sort of sort of government involvement in this uh you know where the where the indian

00:20:52.880 government is actually you know either working through embassies or through through foreign

00:20:57.200 influence in some way to to kind of keep this pipeline going um if if that is true i don't know

00:21:04.560 what you think about that but if that is true do you expect if canada you know say does kind of crack

00:21:10.080 down on this and really put forward a a remigration plan do you expect some resistance from from the

00:21:16.640 indian government from from indian um you know statesmen anything like that in any form of uh

00:21:23.440 maybe international incident that this might cause uh such a program would definitely require

00:21:30.800 international relations they would we would need to work with the foreign governments of these countries

00:21:36.240 uh to create kind of sustainable agreements uh to take back these people uh india as an example does

00:21:44.880 not allow dual citizenship so i know for a fact there are many indians in canada that illegally hold

00:21:51.520 citizens and citizenship in in uh in both countries um so there would need to be a uh a a level of

00:22:02.960 diplomacy in um maintaining these uh these agreements um that being said that's that's foreign relations in

00:22:10.560 general like you could almost see that there might be a fear of some people going back to india where

00:22:16.480 like oh if they're holding a canadian citizenship and they didn't they didn't get rid of their indian

00:22:21.680 one would they be punished when they went back to india so good diplomacy would maybe give them

00:22:29.360 amnesty or make sure that they're not going to get in trouble so you'd kind of set the tone for these

00:22:36.240 so they are able to go back without these kind of uh anxieties yes you need to make sure you have a

00:22:42.880 solution so that people don't end up completely stateless um but yeah that would be the the finer

00:22:49.120 points around um some of these programs and and certainly international relations and diplomacy will be

00:22:55.520 will be required um to to do this on a large scale um now especially with those three countries that we

00:23:03.280 mentioned the philippines um india and china because again that's it's the bulk of the the immigration

00:23:10.480 issue so working with these three countries in particular would be crucial um now that being said

00:23:17.520 a lot of these things can be mutually beneficial um a lot of these countries are suffering from from

00:23:23.200 brain drain from people coming to to canada and other countries to to find economic opportunities

00:23:31.840 uh re-migrationists like myself say it's time for you to go back it's time for you to to rebuild your

00:23:38.000 own country and do what's in the best interest of your people while we do what's been the best interest

00:23:43.440 for ours yeah there you know it's it's that type of you know amicable solution would be would be so ideal

00:23:52.400 because i've started i mean we we've all noticed you know sort of the um there's a term for it you

00:23:59.600 know like um like fatigue sort of like immigrant fatigue um and and even people in you know both

00:24:07.360 james and i come from you know pretty liberal backgrounds actually we we we sort of always were

00:24:13.360 uh you know pretty pretty classical liberal guys until you know the the pandemic was created

00:24:18.800 specifically to radicalize both of us um and uh we're all recovering libertarians yeah that's

00:24:26.320 exactly right yeah so uh you know even in our own families we've we've noticed kind of the discussion

00:24:31.920 changing a little bit and and to use my family as an example you know i'm i'm a first generation

00:24:38.000 canadian and um my family comes from south america and from and from lebanon and um and you know

00:24:46.560 die hard liberals their whole lives and even they have been saying you know where where whereas maybe

00:24:51.360 over a decade ago you know a little over a decade ago you could say like look you know look at these

00:24:55.360 these are syrian immigrants like their country's going through a civil war like we have to you know

00:24:59.520 you know these you know we gotta we gotta help uh you know legitimate refugees and now the

00:25:04.560 conversation is changing because everyone kind of knows now that these are not legitimate refugees

00:25:09.520 these are these are people you know searching for an economic benefit they're they're maybe leaving

00:25:15.200 a an overcrowded country or you know there there's there's reasons why these people are coming here

00:25:21.120 that are not that you can't boil down to uh simple humanitarian uh humanitarian you know uh outreach uh

00:25:29.680 so are you noticing the discussion changing a little bit you know in the whereas the the normal

00:25:33.920 canadian way would have been to uh you know sort of recoil at the at the concept of doing anything

00:25:38.960 mean to an immigrant whereas now people are sort of understanding that yeah the situation has sort

00:25:43.760 of changed and these immigrants are not really the same type of immigrants that we've been told

00:25:49.600 that we need to accept yeah no no well for sure and and like there has been massive changes to our

00:25:56.000 immigration policy just in general like the the the expansion of temporary foreign workers um in

00:26:02.000 particular under the trudeau government is is unprecedented compared to to the past governments and like these

00:26:07.920 people are they're almost like mercenaries right they don't really belong here and some of them

00:26:12.720 want to stay here permanently but it causes this weird uh dynamic in society and then on top of that

00:26:19.360 there's many uh like there's a whole industry that's built up around immigration there's immigration

00:26:25.520 lawyers and consultants and in all these devious people who have figured out how to game our system

00:26:32.080 and uh whether it be through temporary foreign workers and the the purchasing of labor market impact

00:26:39.440 assessments lmia's um to to start uh chain migration or just consultants that uh that reside here in

00:26:50.400 canada and and uh sell their services in countries like india and promise people a pathway to permanent

00:26:58.560 citizenship for for thirty thousand dollars and then they get here and it's uh uh the social

00:27:05.680 situations just literally not what they're being sold uh they end up in in houses with with 20 people

00:27:11.200 sharing a bedroom or whatever crazy stuff's going on um but uh like these people are also being taken

00:27:18.560 advantage of uh as much as uh people get their backs up on on uh the more uh canadian side and say these

00:27:26.720 people are taking advantage of our society like these people are also being taken advantage of

00:27:31.040 by these middlemen that are just profiting off of dysfunctions in our system um and yeah certainly

00:27:37.760 these ideas are getting much more mainstream um uh the the situation has become uh untenable and

00:27:46.800 completely unsustainable um i grew up in an education system where we celebrate celebrated uh

00:27:54.160 post-nationalist concepts like the uh cultural mosaic and other cultural mosaics yeah yeah odd

00:28:02.880 relics of trudeau senior um these things don't really hold up to analysis though because uh you you

00:28:11.920 you see the dei conversations hyper fixated on like well we need more representation and they're like well

00:28:20.320 what's the dei policy at tim hordens like they don't have a equal representation of the entire

00:28:26.880 population you have preferential hiring of people from a certain origin with a certain language

00:28:34.400 and yeah i thought we had laws against that kind of like preferential hiring and it's not being applied

00:28:42.000 equally because you're getting past it with either temporary foreign workers or it's just not being enforced

00:28:48.080 like even like it's not being enforced in the same way in some industries that it is in others

00:28:54.720 so this entire framework of dei is not even it's performative at best um it it's people like take

00:29:05.120 advantage of it and they just use it when it's convenient in their favor to to like elevate their

00:29:12.080 group and it really doesn't like the core principle of diversity does not hold up to any scrutiny at all

00:29:19.360 yeah and i would say it's further radicalizing people like just making basic things like getting

00:29:24.240 accepted to university getting accepted to different jobs of uh

00:29:31.840 dependent on on your race and your sexual identity

00:29:34.880 um like this is very much the reverse of what classical liberals would expect uh how classical

00:29:43.760 liberals would expect society to function like we went from it's not about the the color of your skin

00:29:48.960 it's about the content of your character to no actually it's about the color of your skin

00:29:53.920 um which is just kind of absurd like filling out any job or school application nowadays ends with

00:30:00.800 those kind of four questions where it's like are what's your sexual orientation uh are you uh white

00:30:08.400 or not are you straight or not and like guys like me get to go through these job applications and go nope

00:30:15.440 nope nope nope nope and then you don't hear back from any jobs and it's just backwards and bizarre and

00:30:24.000 lots of people out there will say well just lie like they can't prove you're not gay or whatever

00:30:29.120 um but personally i i have a certain uh principle to these things and uh it's not the way that

00:30:37.600 society should function so between these things like dei and this this like hyper fixation on race

00:30:45.040 while flooding our country with foreigners with millions of foreigners a year

00:30:50.880 it's definitely radicalizing people and changing the way that they talk about uh immigration and it starts

00:30:57.200 with the economic side um like it's very apparent to the average person that our hospitals are

00:31:02.640 dysfunctional and housing it is unaffordable uh and it's very obvious despite people like pierre pauliev

00:31:09.920 avoiding talking about it it's very obvious to to anyone with a shred of economic sense that immigration

00:31:16.880 impacts these things um and that's kind of the doorway to start talking about immigration

00:31:21.920 um but really what i what i find impacts people on the kind of core level which maybe they're a little

00:31:29.520 bit less comfortable talking about is just the cultural impacts like the our our society is changing

00:31:35.840 there it it it looks different it feels different the sense of community is gone one of my best

00:31:42.160 performing tweets of all time i didn't expect that was it was in was just this uh talking

00:31:47.440 shit about tim hortons uh it was something along the lines of uh uh tim hortons really encapsulates

00:31:56.320 the decline of canada writ large it's foreign owned uh shitty services run by foreigners no sense of

00:32:05.760 community um and i i i guess lots of people related with that because uh you know tim hortons wants a

00:32:15.920 pillar of uh of canadian community and identity it like now i don't i don't remember the last time

00:32:22.480 i went to tim hortons personally i don't yeah i don't go there anymore it's disgusting the food sucks

00:32:27.280 and they can't even get my order right because they don't speak english yeah um and it's because

00:32:33.120 they're taking advantage of incentives uh provided by the temporary foreign workers program the the government offsets

00:32:39.280 the wages of these people um to well while they're not even from here like and i like that that sort

00:32:46.880 of government policy doesn't make any sense yeah and a lot of people when i advocate for ideas like

00:32:52.240 remigration they say well how are you going to pay for that and like literally we have the program

00:32:56.960 programs like the temporary foreign workers program where the government subsidizes portions of their wages

00:33:03.040 like we're already wasting tons of money on immigration related programs that can be repurposed

00:33:07.840 uh not to mention money that's being wasted on all sorts of other silly liberal projects um

00:33:16.480 so we we really need to reorient our government to to work for for our people not for the international

00:33:22.960 citizen to be the kind of welfare state of the world well and uh to add to add to your point there the

00:33:30.800 the di program part of that is it's a redistribution of wealth to raise people up to try to achieve the

00:33:38.960 quality of outcome to try to get to they're saying like this group of people they're not doing very

00:33:44.000 well therefore we need to help them out and part of that is giving them more access to certain jobs

00:33:51.120 and then at a canadian level that is actually uh helping them out with either

00:33:56.240 like just on the welfare side it's like tax money going to these people preferentially

00:34:03.360 partially because they're not doing as well and i've taught we've talked about this before of like

00:34:08.160 anytime you have somebody who's been in canada for one generation two generation three generations for

00:34:15.520 the longer you spend in a country the more roots you have you've built up a community you've there's gonna

00:34:22.160 be you're gonna have an easier time the more you assimilate and the more time you spend in the country

00:34:28.640 so as you get higher immigration numbers it is inflating and making the dei problem look worse

00:34:36.880 they're saying well there's more inequity because look at all these people like we have all these

00:34:42.320 people from india they're struggling in canada they're not doing well but you're not setting them

00:34:47.920 up for success therefore like a liberal policy of endless immigration is giving them justification

00:34:56.640 for more liberal policies which enhances and it just amplifies over time it is completely backwards

00:35:04.560 in a way yeah and it makes no sense to bring people here if they're not going to succeed like

00:35:10.480 i'm pretty anti-immigration as a concept but like even i can concede that

00:35:16.240 if there's a gap in the in the labor force if we literally do not have these sort of specialized

00:35:21.440 skills and there is a person uh in another country that can uniquely fulfill these things like yes sure

00:35:29.440 they should be brought into our economy but if if people are being brought in and then subsequently

00:35:35.760 they're enabled to bring in their family members who get to you know use our healthcare system even

00:35:42.560 though their family has not you know in intergenerationally been paying into our social

00:35:48.720 safety net um uh or other dependents that are coming in to be children taking advantage of our

00:35:57.280 education system um like sure you can look at it from this like dei this this group is not doing well but

00:36:07.440 like fundamentally i don't we shouldn't be importing anyone that can't immediately adapt and integrate

00:36:13.920 into our economy and society and the priorities of our government should be to serve the interests of

00:36:19.840 our people not not foreigners coming into the country like that should this just fundamentally i

00:36:25.200 believe that that should not be the priority of our government it should be to represent the people

00:36:29.440 the the the unique canadian people um and too often i think uh uh uh especially in the kind of post

00:36:38.800 trudeau senior era it's been uh let's make this crazy multicultural experiment where everyone from

00:36:48.000 anywhere can come here and maintain their own uh religion and culture and and so on and we'll just kind of all

00:36:57.440 live beside each other and pretend there's no tensions and this isn't awkward and we'll we'll just uh gaslight

00:37:07.040 everyone into just being like you're racist and you're you're evil if you don't get along even though

00:37:15.280 you know like diversity is not a strength it is fundamentally a weakness

00:37:19.440 um and you need a sort of cultural identity to to have a cohesive high trust society um and some

00:37:30.320 some level of homogeneity is just necessary uh for that as we see you can look at examples of countries

00:37:38.080 around the world and really this sort of nationalist conception is only not uh like is only considered

00:37:46.880 intolerant in in western countries especially in america um but like china uh this is very much

00:37:58.000 how they they govern their state and you know most countries around the world they they don't uh look to

00:38:05.520 appease and bring in foreigners like they they uh for better or worse they they prioritize the interests of their own

00:38:12.880 their own their own people so i don't think that it's intolerant or at least it's not immoral to do the

00:38:20.640 same thing here in in canada yeah and and you know speaking of the immorality of it you know it's

00:38:28.320 people can't see it but you're probably familiar with that meme this is uh this was made for uh it was

00:38:34.560 a democrat it was an american meme but it was a two-panel comic of uh you know democrats in the 1800s

00:38:41.360 and then and then democrats in the in the 21st century and then democrats in the 1800s were like

00:38:47.300 well but if not for slaves then who will work the fields and then democrats in the 21st century well

00:38:53.580 if not for illegal immigrants who will work the fields you know so it's it's the same concept but

00:38:58.800 they can't really see that actually the only people now this is actually a topic that i've you know to

00:39:04.000 be fair i've actually had success you know having this discussion with you know my more liberal friends

00:39:09.260 family if you frame it in the way of you know we already know for a fact that um like there have

00:39:14.840 been studies on this specifically related to amazon i don't know if you're familiar but um they found

00:39:19.540 that in in amazon warehouses with a higher degree of with a higher amount of of race mix um those

00:39:27.680 warehouses were less likely to uh see pushes to unionize um and so when you frame it in a way of

00:39:35.620 like well you know i i often hear the the the excuse of like well you know who no one's going

00:39:40.660 to do these jobs you know like no one's going to be the janitor no one's going to be the overnight

00:39:44.580 shift worker at the mcdonald's no one's going to it's like well yeah that is actually a really good

00:39:49.640 argument if you're a multinational or for if you're a billionaire employing these people right

00:39:53.720 you you know you're making this these people's argument for them actually canadian citizens would do

00:39:59.380 those jobs if they were properly paid for what it would take to have a quality of life in this

00:40:04.160 country but if you if you import a group of people who like you said earlier are willing to live you

00:40:09.720 know 15 people to a house uh and you know never really you know each one of them working a minimum

00:40:15.600 wage job like a canadian citizen with a with a like a westernized citizen with a certain conception of

00:40:22.020 what their quality of life is going to look like yeah you can never compete with that yeah yeah no i

00:40:28.000 i think that's a great example and while while it's easy to to paint all these things as absurd

00:40:33.660 absurd and like why would anyone want this all of these policies benefit the people at the top they

00:40:39.760 benefit the the corporate elite right these people like especially temporary foreign workers like this

00:40:45.720 one's obvious like it's literally foreigners that come to our country temporarily to uh willing to

00:40:52.340 accept worse living conditions and lower wages like just in the name but yeah exactly but but

00:40:58.180 immigration in general has the exact same impact um it's literally you increase the pool of workers

00:41:04.520 and this stagnates wages like this is a this is basic uh labor market economics um and on on the

00:41:11.820 converse side while we bid up rents and housing costs which impacts us badly as citizens it benefits

00:41:20.260 the the the owners of uh these buildings be them individuals or multinationals um there there

00:41:28.780 definitely is a segment a small segment of society that benefits from these absurd social uh this absurd

00:41:36.380 social experiment that is mass immigration uh it's just not the average citizen and i don't think

00:41:42.200 that's acceptable um and and the the amazon example uh with unionization is is is really interesting

00:41:50.020 um because a union is you know a small collective unit of of uh people uh cooperating and i i think this

00:42:00.280 similarly can you can blow this up to to a societal level like people often talk about uh they want

00:42:08.580 you the race war is to distract you from the class war and stuff like this uh but like this micro

00:42:15.220 example of amazon is a great example of amazon is a great example about of how it it atomizes the the

00:42:22.380 workers without that kind of racial ethnic homogeneity uh driving them together and creating a level of of

00:42:32.320 social cohesion these people are easier to take advantage of and that's the exact same thing uh in

00:42:39.360 canada on a on a general political level um mass immigration has impacted our politics in such a

00:42:47.820 fundamentally negative way uh there we talk a lot about how uh politics is just about pandering now

00:42:56.380 there's just less talking of ideas it's uh it's all about showing up to the ukraine rally

00:43:04.620 with the proper garb and saying slava ukraine or or showing up to the sick temple with the proper

00:43:12.280 headdress and taking off your shoes and it's not about ideas it's literally about just signal

00:43:18.960 sending the proper virtue signals to the proper group and the way that especially ethnic communities

00:43:25.900 in canada are organized it's there's just so many incentives for politicians to do that

00:43:33.480 um like the politicians just want in an easy route to victory and going to get uh like heritage

00:43:42.400 canadians vote by vote by vote where heritage canadians in general are very atomized um you know

00:43:49.480 the with the decline of especially like religion uh there there is much less like collectivist

00:43:55.520 localized organizations whereas ethnic groups are much more uh organized typically around

00:44:02.540 uh faith temples but also through various advocacy groups and third party groups um and this makes

00:44:10.000 it really easy for politicians to access their support um they can get in front of old kind of

00:44:17.340 ethnic voting blocs or or uh community representatives that have knock-on effects that allows them to win

00:44:24.240 over large swaths of support rather easily whereas it is comparatively more challenging to win over

00:44:31.520 individual kind of canadian heritage canadian kind of votes so there's this huge kind of incentives

00:44:38.100 to to pander to these ethnic groups which just completely waters down our politics like it's not it's not

00:44:45.360 even about ideas and what's best for the country anymore it's about who can get who has the best uh

00:44:51.820 ethnic organizers and who plays dress up the best and and all these things and as as a canadian like

00:44:59.320 this is not acceptable yeah that's such a good point about uh about you know the with the decline

00:45:04.940 of religion you see the increase of these these other sort of you know less meaningful uh uh social

00:45:11.460 markers you know like you can see it and really like we've talked about it on the show before but you

00:45:16.420 can you can see it in things like you know it kind of sounds silly to say but you think you think of

00:45:20.840 like uh you know like vegan culture or you think of like uh you know uh um lgbt you know very the

00:45:28.180 various branches of that and you think every way that people yeah well like exactly as as the the the

00:45:36.020 the really meaningful spiritual bonds of a cohesive nation with a with a national uh religion

00:45:43.420 decrease then you you see people it peter bogosian has talked about this before i think he calls it uh

00:45:49.320 substitution hypothesis where you know as as the religiosity decreases the actual impulse for that

00:45:56.160 doesn't decrease it just gets filled with bullshit like it just gets filled with meaningless stuff and

00:46:00.180 so if you have a culture if you have a general exactly well if you have a post-national state

00:46:05.720 where nothing matters and everything is you know of equal value well then you can fill people's heads

00:46:10.940 with you know this sort of you know but yeah like you say taking your shoes off and wearing the prop or

00:46:16.920 whatever saying the phrases that's that's like a uh it's a false uh substitution for what actually

00:46:23.180 would matter yeah there's this snide kind of aspect of atheism that moral superiority kind of behind it but

00:46:32.800 the reality is human beings seem to require some level of faith in their lives um and if you

00:46:42.380 remove religion from the equation then they just replace their their kind of need for faith with

00:46:50.700 as you said veganism lgbtq stuff maybe it's faith in pierre polyev as as their pseudo savior or or whatnot

00:47:00.940 and then you see these people you try to talk to these people about these topics often and they're

00:47:05.600 completely incapable especially if you challenge them in any way they they suffer from a sort of cognitive

00:47:10.220 dissonance because they don't have thoroughly thought out views on these topics it it is something

00:47:16.580 that they've accepted on fate climate change is another really good one yes um they're not informed

00:47:22.340 on these topics they might be hyper uh passionate about them but they can't articulate anything of

00:47:30.280 meaning with them because they don't have well thought out views it is something that is fundamentally

00:47:35.260 based on faith um so it does seem to me that some some pseudo religion is necessary for for individuals

00:47:46.020 to function and then some sort of cohesive religious route is necessary for a society to function as well

00:47:55.300 um to kind of keep people on the same page and impose a sort of standard of morality

00:48:01.520 so from the the history aspect um this is where i've seen some more nationalistic types talk about

00:48:12.140 history and they kind of depending on where their lens focuses focuses on they have a different kind

00:48:18.460 of view of like well what a true canadian is and i know the the with different waves of people coming

00:48:25.720 over you well you had more from britain and france and then well for a while you had like a whole bunch

00:48:31.780 of irish come and then you had more slavic um people coming over to canada and from my understanding is

00:48:38.640 there was at least the common like i know there's catholic and protestant and a little bit of conflict

00:48:47.000 there but at least there's some shared faith in that way but uh it is interesting to see that it started

00:48:54.520 from a point like the irish were not very well liked for a very long time and the like the animosity

00:49:02.520 towards them conflicts with the irish is more of an american thing well it gets adopted and appear but

00:49:07.600 but the irish as a group especially in early canada were way larger represented uh than than in the u.s

00:49:15.580 like they were uh in similar numbers to to the english actually in early canada which kind of

00:49:22.720 placates uh these these kind of tensions just based off of numbers whereas they were more second

00:49:30.660 class citizens in the u.s which created uh different types of tensions um there and then slavic is an

00:49:38.800 example like or even early 1900s again are a much later wave of immigration the the the they more came

00:49:46.380 over in any sort of significant numbers uh during the settling of the west which happened post

00:49:51.620 confederation right in 1867 when canada was first founded it was just the the five provinces of

00:49:58.780 ontario quebec nova scotia new brunswick and prince edward island um subsequently when we started settling

00:50:06.460 the west in the early 1900s that's when more slavs started coming over eastern europeans to to settle

00:50:14.100 mostly the western provinces specifically alberta and and um in saskatchewan um so they're represented

00:50:21.200 in slightly larger numbers out there but even then the large majority of of settlers immigrating to

00:50:27.420 canada were from british origins and a large portion even the majority uh were coming from parts of um

00:50:38.260 eastern canada um of british isles roots um so even across the country there was like the there's

00:50:50.100 there's more immigration homogeneity than than many people realize oh sorry you cut out yeah you cut

00:50:57.020 out for a sec but um yeah that's the core and then you have these other waves from europe and when people

00:51:02.340 say like well white european now is a very broad encompassing kind of umbrella but depending on what

00:51:12.120 time frame and what lens you look at um that's kind of a different different equation but it feels

00:51:18.340 like the attitudes now and like i'm fourth generation i've got like some irish some ukraines like a little

00:51:25.460 bit of polish a little bit of german like i've got a white guy though right but i'm just a white dude

00:51:32.020 like so this is all water yeah like i'm your average alberton now so um so these things kind

00:51:39.500 of get watered down and i feel like the conversation in canada is a little bit different because we have

00:51:46.520 different flavors of multiculturalism over time than somewhere like well you you have the same

00:51:53.500 conversation about immigration for japan and people say you can't have mass immigration to japan

00:52:00.220 it will destroy their culture and they'll like japanese people cease to exist like well why isn't

00:52:07.900 that true anywhere else and then you look at you look at like ireland and like well they're pretty

00:52:13.920 homogenous or they were and they opened their doors and now like well what does it mean to say like

00:52:19.920 here's this irish like if you're from ireland what does that mean like these things become meaningless

00:52:27.400 and i i feel like it's tied to a this open door for policy for the west is tied to a fear of

00:52:36.500 nationalism and that fear of nationalism has it's 80 90 years in the making because bad things happen

00:52:45.420 in world war ii and they're like well anytime a group becomes unified bad things will happen and we

00:52:52.320 can't have solidarity like that kind of national unity because you'll you'll get mustache man 2.0

00:53:03.660 yeah and and i feel like there needs to be a culture shift to undo the fear of like to shift the

00:53:12.280 conversation because it's not just the immigrants coming in that like the numbers yeah that's hurting

00:53:17.420 things but it's fourth fifth generation liberal art majors with blue hair who are enabling these

00:53:25.180 policies and uh they're in our hr departments they're in all these institutions and they're

00:53:32.580 setting the tones for these things and using these like fundamentally flawed um worldviews

00:53:40.960 to make this all happen yeah no absolutely and it and it it comes down to the you know the the kind

00:53:50.420 of marxist uh cold war post cold war era long walk through the institutions right uh these blue-haired

00:53:59.020 hr leftists don't really come to these ideas uh naturally they're they're programmed this way through

00:54:07.660 higher education and the the institutions that that push these ideas on society um so uh a recapturing

00:54:15.880 of the institutions and a reorienting towards a more nationalist uh viewpoint would be a required

00:54:23.900 part of the solution uh for sure and and you're totally correct that it the the vilification of

00:54:31.920 nationalism is is is totally wrapped up in in world war ii which is which is really the the kind of

00:54:39.240 mythos of modern liberal society um mustache man was the the devil um and his ideology of

00:54:52.080 national his nationalist kind of tilt to his ideology is is uh is everything that's evil in the world

00:55:00.260 um he replaced the devil though yeah no absolutely devil in this in this level like it doesn't have

00:55:06.780 the same ring in this liberal secular society we have replaced creation myths and and so on with

00:55:16.920 world war ii um and again just like we were talking earlier with with this kind of contingency of uh of

00:55:23.640 this component of faith in an individual's life most people don't understand much about world war ii

00:55:29.580 um and it is a much more complicated situation than just uh you know mustache man bad like it it is a

00:55:38.840 complex geopolitical conflict between the world's nations like it can't be summed up in in a sentence

00:55:46.580 like that um i don't want to get too deep into a world war ii uh next next episode yeah yeah yeah um

00:55:56.880 but it it it is the root of kind of the the rejection of nationalism and the pivot towards

00:56:03.440 kind of the rules-based liberal internationalist kind of uh mainstream hegemon um and there's all

00:56:13.240 sorts of fascinating canadian history to get into there um but we do need to kind of reject the this

00:56:20.960 notion um ultimately the crimes of uh adolf hitler don't mean much to modern canada uh and we should

00:56:30.840 not be held back by the baggage of a foreign country when it comes to putting our people first

00:56:38.140 um so what i'm hearing is that you hate brown people is that that does that check out is that

00:56:45.900 i hate anyone i love my own people and want their interests to be protected i want the society that

00:56:52.380 i was born into i want to be able to pass that on to my children and grandchildren and the reality is

00:56:58.020 that society hardly exists anymore uh there's it it exists in corners and pockets across the country

00:57:06.540 um and increasingly it's disappearing more and more everywhere you go and i want to put my foot down

00:57:14.360 and say this isn't the kind of social contract my family bought into um and we don't have to accept

00:57:21.980 what people who did not keep our best interest in mind did to our society in fact we can take the

00:57:29.300 steps these radicals transformed our society our radicals are going to get in place and fix things

00:57:36.540 yeah yeah well that's that's the like we do it out of love yeah well and i mean that that's the

00:57:43.560 crux of it i mean the pendulum will always swing and the you know the fact is just two things i mean

00:57:48.380 the the people in government and in and in think tanks and in you know various institutions that have

00:57:53.880 instituted these policies uh without fail are always insulated from them they are never the people

00:58:00.300 that have to deal with the consequences of what those policies bring onto the average canadian so

00:58:05.040 um and uh yeah well i mean that that actually leads me to my i maybe we could we could actually

00:58:11.460 end on this because this is a uh this is a topic that we've we've talked about a lot on the channel

00:58:15.920 um and we talked a little bit about it before we went live speaking of nationalism

00:58:20.240 in our home province of alberta we are experiencing a bit of a uh nationalistic fervor a little bit of a

00:58:28.380 uh of a of an independence movement right now i'm just as i'm sure you're aware

00:58:32.200 um you mentioned briefly that you're you're personally you're not a separatist um but we'd

00:58:38.040 love to hear your thoughts on what what do you think you know what do you think of what's going

00:58:42.120 on in alberta right now as somebody based in sort of the heart of the country in ontario

00:58:47.000 yeah yeah uh i'll preface this by saying i i don't represent albertans i've only been out to the the

00:58:56.760 province uh once in my life i have some some friends out there for sure but i won't proclaim to

00:59:02.280 be in the heads of your average albertan i'm generally speaking a federalist i'm i'm a passionate

00:59:10.100 supporter of johnny mcdonald's vision for a coast-to-coast uh dominion um and don't support

00:59:17.880 anyone trying to break that up be it the quebecers or be it the albertans um i think we should

00:59:23.980 fundamentally we are brothers and sisters across this country and we should work together

00:59:28.680 to the benefit of all of us um i see um i don't see alberta separatism succeeding um just like

00:59:40.880 quebec separatism hasn't um i don't see alberta having even the same foundation for separatism

00:59:48.920 as quebec quebec's always maintained a more distinct society than um the rest of canada and

00:59:57.460 especially alberta um alberta lacks all sorts of kind of infrastructure um and social elements to

01:00:06.800 to drive kind of separatism for example uh y'all don't even have your own provincial police force

01:00:13.380 um we're working on it yeah just as a quick example um as well there's just not the same

01:00:23.380 kind of shared ethnic identity as there is in in quebec to kind of act as a cohesive unit towards

01:00:30.520 true um uh a sort of nationalist uh push i see alberta separatism as largely uh uh uh fueled by

01:00:42.280 a few economic grievances uh which are completely justified um the way that the the country's

01:00:50.360 resources have been managed um over the last few years in particular has been completely unjust

01:00:57.680 terrible for the country terrible for alberta especially um but resource extraction across

01:01:04.800 all the provinces could be done a lot better um and i don't think that something just based on

01:01:12.100 economic uh concerns like that has the kind of capacity to to blow up into the sort of uh viral

01:01:21.780 movement that would be necessary to uh succeed in a popular referendum um just like we were

01:01:30.800 talking on immigration like i don't think it can just be about economic concerns it needs to be

01:01:36.080 about more of a socio-cultural uh uh aspect to really catch on in the hearts of minds of of average

01:01:44.960 uh canadians um i feel similarly towards uh alberta separatism now if mark carney terribly manages things

01:01:56.360 um worse than justin trudeau i think that's hard to imagine just because of the difference between

01:02:04.320 the two men uh but i could see it perhaps fueling things but the way i've seen from what i've seen

01:02:10.320 of polls it doesn't seem like it's uh really catching on in any significant way and uh it does

01:02:16.920 seem like the the carney administration is is largely placating grievances across the country

01:02:22.560 um compared to the to the trudeau years which really inflamed uh polarization and partisanship

01:02:30.120 in general yeah certainly we're seeing carney definitely uh just in how he uh you know i i've

01:02:37.100 even seen articles comparing carney's governance so far as as more similar to harper than to to

01:02:42.240 trudeau which is kind of funny but i think that's true yeah yeah definitely there is an argument to be

01:02:47.980 made another legitimate grievance i think i've heard in addition to the economic factor that you

01:02:52.500 you hit on is that you know just a few months ago we saw basically you know in the federal election we

01:02:59.320 saw pretty much as polls were closing in alberta the election being called i hate that yeah uh i i'm a

01:03:07.960 big people will talk a lot about electoral reform but they always focus on first past the post

01:03:14.740 things that i want to see is is a reduction like i don't think that voting uh we should even start

01:03:23.540 counting ballots until we can start counting them across the country it's ridiculous that we can start

01:03:28.700 announcing results in atlantic canada when the polls aren't even closed uh in parts of western canada

01:03:37.360 um this obviously impacts things like uh to me uh election day should probably be a national holiday

01:03:45.940 um we should try and do as much voting as possible on election day no advance voting and stuff like no

01:03:52.480 no mail-in ballots you have you have the day off but you have to go and vote and then it should be

01:03:58.460 situated in such a way that um uh although polls might close at a different time in atlantic canada

01:04:07.380 the boxes remain sealed and we don't start we start counting everywhere at the exact same time

01:04:12.480 across all the time zones and yes and i think i think sorry just even in in addition you're exactly

01:04:19.700 right i mean obviously that will have an impact on the on the west coast of the of the country but

01:04:23.940 even more than that it's just the idea that you know it pretty much doesn't matter what an albertan

01:04:29.340 wants to see as their vision for the federal government you know it's already been decided

01:04:33.520 by the time the vote even gets to us you know what i mean uh yeah i mean oftentimes yeah but but that's

01:04:42.240 also just the population dynamics of the country um you know most of the the population is between

01:04:48.320 ontario and in quebec um but certainly logistically speaking the the votes in other parts of the

01:04:56.160 country shouldn't decentivize people from voting uh in the other half of the country um it is it is a

01:05:04.100 complicated dynamic but uh like this election was was very close it was not it was not solved by the

01:05:10.880 time we got to eastern canada um so i guess the one other the one other thought with this is uh

01:05:20.680 i think the the shared culture thing it depends on like how you frame it because uh you look at

01:05:29.140 alberta and like well early 1900s like a quarter of albertans were americans you have like a little

01:05:36.700 bit of that pioneering spirit and you look at like what people have done in the oil fields and like

01:05:43.460 even the rural communities that's a certain culture that is they there's some shared values there and

01:05:51.300 then obviously you go into the cities and the more people you pump into like uh public sector they share

01:05:57.640 more with the east than what the rest of albertans do so there there's a little bit of conflict there and

01:06:05.580 that's um i will agree that it's like it's not an easy easy sell because you still need a culture

01:06:11.320 shift on many of the many of the people in the middle some of the moderates some people who are

01:06:16.660 busy with their lives they haven't thought about these things um but i i guess even our conversation

01:06:23.360 with bruce party he was talking about like the whole founding of canada was almost like

01:06:30.680 the americans did their thing and canadians did not want to join the americans and canadians

01:06:38.280 are built on this identity of deference to authority in a way like we have a bit of socialism baked in

01:06:47.240 to the fabric of canada we see that in the confederation we see that in the equalization

01:06:52.980 aspect of it and this is where like some of these independence talks have been very much

01:07:00.160 really talking about like well what would the vision for a new alberta uh look like and it's

01:07:06.940 been quite fascinating not sure how much will actually materialize uh but it is fun to kind of

01:07:15.720 examine kind of the foundation of some of this yeah no i i find the foundation of canada fascinating

01:07:23.880 um i i don't really appreciate bruce's analysis to be totally frank like i i find him to be

01:07:32.380 he is fundamentally a liberal i think he would uh classify himself as such probably you'd say

01:07:38.960 something like a classical liberal but i think this is a unnecessary addendum that people use to

01:07:44.040 separate themselves from the liberal party um so i i think he finds himself on uh sympathetic to

01:07:53.340 the kind of american experiment which was uh uh a departure from how we organize society throughout

01:08:01.500 human history towards a launching point of uh radical liberalism and canada was certainly founded in

01:08:09.620 in defiance of that uh a significant part of our population were were the loyalists that fought

01:08:16.060 against american revolutionaries and then came to canada to join with the french to to to create a

01:08:22.840 distinct society on the same continent specifically rejecting those kind of liberal values uh you said

01:08:30.040 that that a tendency towards socialism was kind of baked in i would describe it as more collectivism or

01:08:37.440 communitarianism um yeah that would be a better better term actually so yeah uh the kind of

01:08:43.380 constitutional summary of the united states is of course uh life liberty and the pursuit of happiness

01:08:47.620 happiness our equivalent here in canada's peace order and good governance um our people rejected

01:08:53.140 liberalism in in in favor of a more strict hierarchical social order to be maintained we put we put the

01:09:01.440 public good and uh a structure of an orderly society above uh that of individualism and liberalism now

01:09:09.660 in the post-war period we've dramatically well the world's in general has kind of moved away from

01:09:18.580 um that and towards uh liberal internationalism as the americans became the global hegemon both

01:09:28.400 from a basic power perspective but also from a cultural soft power perspective um and canada was

01:09:34.900 impacted by that in a way in a unique way compared to all other countries you have to remember that

01:09:41.600 um from our founding even pre-founding till the second world war uh britain was the world's power

01:09:48.520 and they were our you know our our our mommy um and we had that unique relationship and that unique

01:09:56.100 dependence with them but then post-world war ii britain declined in power that we couldn't be as

01:10:02.140 economically dependent on them and we pivoted to the united states so as the world kind of pivoted

01:10:08.500 from britain to the u.s we also did due to our unique relationships with both of these countries

01:10:14.860 and that transformed canadian society in a way that explains why so many canadians

01:10:22.420 are lost and cannot articulate canadian identity because it was really taken from us

01:10:30.120 and that really reached its climax in the era of trudeau senior where he you know brought in our

01:10:40.180 american style constitution where he pushed for uh us away from our ethnic identity and towards this kind

01:10:50.640 of multiculturalism uh where he where he fully accepted post-nationalism and pushed us towards

01:10:57.560 that which again was really uh driven home under his son over the last few years so i i would think

01:11:06.780 that the issue um is not to become more like the americans but to become more like canadians

01:11:14.580 um and i think bruce and many current separatists are leaning towards the we should be more like

01:11:24.500 americans um but i think that's a mistake i think that's a betrayal of our forefathers and a

01:11:33.140 misunderstanding of what it means to be a canadian it's fascinating it the the dynamic is fascinating

01:11:40.600 and i certainly hadn't uh you know we we as you may imagine as a as a more uh you know conservative

01:11:46.560 libertarian leading channel we we certainly have a difficult time getting uh people on the show who have

01:11:51.740 uh contrary opinions to us so hey thanks for your time man i mean we've been we've been over an hour

01:11:56.420 here with you and and so i guess maybe just before we wrap her up is there anything i always like to

01:12:01.020 ask this is there anything that we didn't talk about that that you would have liked to talk about

01:12:04.480 or any any kind of final thoughts you would you would like to say on on anything we've we've discussed

01:12:08.400 no i thought i think it was a a fun well-rounded discussion uh you guys uh you guys make a good

01:12:16.120 conversation um you guys had some great questions i i think we really got into some some good stuff

01:12:22.460 um yeah awesome okay well that that's good um where where can people find you uh on uh online or or

01:12:30.720 otherwise uh i'm on most social media platforms uh my my main one's twitter uh so i'm at daniel

01:12:40.520 tyree on on twitter um i'm on tiktok and instagram i think i'm at dgv tyree on those platforms um but

01:12:49.580 yeah mostly mostly post on on twitter so follow me there um i have some exciting projects in the works

01:12:57.920 that we're going to be announcing soon so do do follow me there if you if you're interested in

01:13:03.220 canadian nationalism if you're interested in remigration if if what i said resonated with you

01:13:09.860 throughout uh today's conversation definitely be be watching my my twitter channels over the next

01:13:15.580 couple of weeks awesome yeah looking forward to it okay we'll we'll uh we'll put all that uh in the

01:13:20.620 in the show notes and uh daniel tyree thank you again sir it's been really been really fun thanks

01:13:26.200 for the for the chat yeah thanks for having me cheers

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The Critical Compass Podcast - July 25, 2025

＂Diversity is Fundamentally a WEAKNESS＂ - Daniel Tyrie on How Remigration Can Fix Canada

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