The Critical Compass Podcast - Election Interference & the Uphill Battle of Conservatives vs. the Corporate Press

00:00:00.000 when you look at the woke element,

00:00:02.620 we look at the ideology,

00:00:03.860 we look at the performative virtue signaling that filters out more people.

00:00:08.760 And if you don't do those things,

00:00:10.300 you're not with them.

00:00:11.660 So you can be a little bit left and you're not part of their club.

00:00:15.160 If you don't fit their specific,

00:00:17.860 like if you,

00:00:19.500 maybe you speak up against a land acknowledgement,

00:00:22.160 or maybe you're not a fan of pronouns.

00:00:24.900 Those are all rituals that are adopted on the left that will quickly

00:00:30.000 get you thrown out of the club.

00:00:49.640 And welcome back to another episode of the Critical Compass.

00:00:53.000 I'm James, and this is Mike.

00:00:54.780 And today we're going to be talking about elections

00:00:57.320 and drawing some parallels between the provincial elections here in Canada

00:01:01.420 and the federal elections,

00:01:04.180 the presidential race in the United States.

00:01:07.080 More specifically,

00:01:08.520 what it means to have a democracy when we have a compromised and biased media.

00:01:14.220 And we can see a lot of parallels between what's happening here in Canada.

00:01:19.360 And from what it seems,

00:01:21.980 it almost seems like,

00:01:22.980 well,

00:01:23.660 one party is almost running against another party and the media apparatus.

00:01:28.520 It's not really,

00:01:29.460 they're doing extra work.

00:01:31.760 It's not really a fair fight.

00:01:33.080 If from my,

00:01:34.700 from my perspective.

00:01:37.240 Yeah,

00:01:37.700 that sounds about right.

00:01:38.540 Yeah.

00:01:38.760 It's a,

00:01:39.120 they're facing it from all directions.

00:01:41.700 If you,

00:01:42.280 if you dare to,

00:01:43.560 to be anything other than the leftist of the left.

00:01:47.120 Right.

00:01:48.380 Well,

00:01:48.680 and we,

00:01:49.280 we,

00:01:49.700 we,

00:01:50.540 we both started on the left.

00:01:52.240 And for myself,

00:01:53.560 I remember a time where my perspective of what it meant to be a conservative

00:01:58.000 was obviously colored by these popular notions.

00:02:03.060 And some of these are like,

00:02:04.500 well,

00:02:05.420 okay,

00:02:05.680 well,

00:02:05.960 conservative doesn't,

00:02:07.020 they don't,

00:02:07.320 they don't care about poor people.

00:02:09.360 They don't care about like these baseline human rights.

00:02:12.600 They don't care about,

00:02:13.380 or they are racist,

00:02:14.660 or they're very like self-serving.

00:02:16.320 And those ideas were in my head until they were challenged.

00:02:22.000 And I,

00:02:22.380 I had to start thinking about them a little bit differently,

00:02:24.900 but the atmosphere was there.

00:02:27.940 Yeah.

00:02:28.540 And there was,

00:02:29.320 there was this notion.

00:02:30.100 I remember very,

00:02:30.920 very clearly,

00:02:31.880 you know,

00:02:33.700 watching guys like,

00:02:34.700 like John Stewart and Stephen Colbert and stuff.

00:02:37.640 And,

00:02:37.820 and like,

00:02:38.820 and they were good at the time.

00:02:39.980 Like they were,

00:02:40.560 you know,

00:02:40.760 obviously they were funny guys and the shows were good,

00:02:42.880 but the,

00:02:43.940 they had me believing really seriously that like we,

00:02:48.720 we lived.

00:02:49.620 And I mean,

00:02:49.800 I was young at the time,

00:02:51.060 young,

00:02:51.340 younger,

00:02:51.800 but you know,

00:02:53.040 that we lived in an environment of like,

00:02:54.900 it's,

00:02:55.760 it's those couple,

00:02:56.840 you know,

00:02:57.260 renegade rogue,

00:02:58.540 you know,

00:02:59.420 liberal media outlets against the world.

00:03:01.800 Right.

00:03:02.040 When really it's kind of always been,

00:03:04.940 there's like,

00:03:05.440 there's definitely at least in the time that I've been alive,

00:03:08.700 there's been far more,

00:03:10.520 far more in number and in volume of left leaning media outlets than right.

00:03:17.940 And I don't know why,

00:03:19.440 you know,

00:03:19.880 I just believed that it was like,

00:03:21.740 Oh,

00:03:22.020 you know,

00:03:22.240 it was,

00:03:22.740 it was,

00:03:23.580 you know,

00:03:23.720 MSNBC or it was,

00:03:25.140 you know,

00:03:25.380 those couple comedy shows.

00:03:27.920 Uh,

00:03:28.280 and then everything else was right wing and,

00:03:30.060 you know,

00:03:30.120 we were the counterculture and we were the,

00:03:31.900 you know,

00:03:32.580 standing up against the man.

00:03:33.900 Right.

00:03:34.100 But it's just,

00:03:34.680 it just hasn't been like that in my lifetime anyway,

00:03:37.120 and especially so now.

00:03:38.720 Well,

00:03:39.220 in the United States,

00:03:40.100 you do have Fox news and people would,

00:03:42.760 they,

00:03:42.960 they see Fox news as a juggernaut and they,

00:03:46.220 they think,

00:03:46.860 well,

00:03:47.320 they're the rightest of the right.

00:03:49.020 And,

00:03:49.600 but you look at their actual coverage and everything.

00:03:52.420 They're not as right as you,

00:03:55.840 you spend any amount of time on Twitter and you find out that like Fox news is,

00:03:59.460 first of all,

00:04:00.560 it's never mentioned people,

00:04:03.000 people don't even care about it because they're not diving really into the topics that a lot of these conservatives really care about to the degree.

00:04:11.820 There's obviously some maybe less informed or less critical thinking people that will just export their thinking to the media on the right and the left.

00:04:20.980 And I think on the right,

00:04:22.000 you will have somebody like Fox news doing that for people in Canada.

00:04:27.100 if you look at like our corporate media has been very much left dominated.

00:04:34.140 Oh yeah.

00:04:35.020 And because like you,

00:04:37.620 they're all center left,

00:04:38.580 like CTV global and like CBC,

00:04:43.700 especially,

00:04:44.520 yeah,

00:04:44.880 especially CBC will,

00:04:46.420 and they're all partially federally funded.

00:04:48.740 So the CBC gets direct like a billion per year in funding.

00:04:55.960 And then that that's in direct funding.

00:04:59.460 And then you have like ads and other like subsidies and these kind of less measurable ways of funding as well.

00:05:10.800 So the fact that their messaging has been mostly unified on a lot of these issues is not surprising given their funding.

00:05:22.000 We know that like funding can be pulled.

00:05:24.640 So if you challenge,

00:05:26.320 if you have the wrong ideas in certain places,

00:05:28.200 like you don't want to upset your,

00:05:32.640 your,

00:05:32.880 the sources of funding.

00:05:34.920 So that's very much that that's a fact regardless of,

00:05:40.420 of,

00:05:41.160 of,

00:05:41.420 of what happens.

00:05:44.520 But the only place that I've seen it kind of break the mold is the more local you get.

00:05:50.700 Um,

00:05:52.640 you,

00:05:53.520 you seem to get like a little bit more like balanced if they're not,

00:05:57.360 if there's less top down programming with something and somebody is just covering event and it's local.

00:06:02.600 Oftentimes they're like,

00:06:03.600 well,

00:06:03.780 here's,

00:06:04.340 here's just what we saw.

00:06:05.620 Yeah.

00:06:06.500 Uh,

00:06:06.740 yeah.

00:06:07.560 But as you get up to the levels,

00:06:09.960 the coverage becomes more editorialized and there's more crafting of the messaging.

00:06:15.300 And you find that while the views that are displayed through the media aligns with a lot of these ideologies that we see floating around.

00:06:26.040 Well,

00:06:26.580 isn't that so emblematic of,

00:06:28.120 uh,

00:06:28.720 you know,

00:06:28.960 the,

00:06:29.240 the general problem with simplified,

00:06:31.820 you know,

00:06:32.440 um,

00:06:33.020 coordinated messaging where when you,

00:06:35.540 when you actually drill down to the,

00:06:36.900 the minutia,

00:06:38.520 the,

00:06:38.760 the issues themselves are,

00:06:39.980 are relatively uncontroversial.

00:06:42.240 You know,

00:06:42.660 there are,

00:06:43.620 if you're thinking about a,

00:06:44.760 a local newscast,

00:06:46.020 like,

00:06:46.260 yeah,

00:06:46.440 you know,

00:06:46.880 there was a traffic accident today in this area and there was a,

00:06:51.120 there was a robbery here and there was a,

00:06:53.360 you know,

00:06:53.620 a local union protest for this.

00:06:56.080 And,

00:06:56.340 you know,

00:06:56.560 like it's very,

00:06:57.700 these are very everyday issues for,

00:06:59.360 for more people.

00:06:59.960 And then you,

00:07:00.300 as you go up in the,

00:07:01.860 uh,

00:07:02.320 in the,

00:07:02.780 in the next media level,

00:07:04.400 the,

00:07:05.300 the coverage starts to become more abstract and more about like,

00:07:09.020 you know,

00:07:09.560 they,

00:07:10.440 and,

00:07:11.020 you know,

00:07:11.460 maybe the,

00:07:12.340 maybe the intention is good,

00:07:13.420 or maybe it's a necessity to,

00:07:14.580 to speak in more abstracts is that the higher you go,

00:07:16.920 but yeah,

00:07:17.720 then you end up with a,

00:07:18.720 you know,

00:07:20.300 nightly,

00:07:21.000 uh,

00:07:22.060 uh,

00:07:22.440 editorial on the national where it's,

00:07:24.480 you know,

00:07:25.880 conservatives,

00:07:26.560 bad and liberals,

00:07:27.360 good.

00:07:27.560 Like how did,

00:07:28.240 you know,

00:07:28.420 how did we get from,

00:07:29.600 you know,

00:07:30.120 here's the,

00:07:31.260 here's what happened in your neighborhood to here's how you should feel about

00:07:34.460 everything political.

00:07:36.120 Well,

00:07:36.620 and,

00:07:37.020 and I guess it's,

00:07:38.440 there's a difference of saying,

00:07:40.900 here's what we're observing and you're passing that information on to people

00:07:45.260 who are watching.

00:07:46.240 And there's another level to be like,

00:07:47.780 okay,

00:07:47.960 well,

00:07:48.160 we're seeing an increase of drug use and we need safe supply so that people

00:07:54.400 are protected.

00:07:55.300 And we don't have any,

00:07:56.080 as many,

00:07:56.340 many deaths.

00:07:57.580 That's a conclusion first way of reporting.

00:08:00.800 And I think we're seeing that a lot more like where you have the moral

00:08:06.760 aspect of it interwoven into the coverage more often than not,

00:08:12.820 or you don't have something that challenges.

00:08:16.860 Maybe you'll bring somebody on and they have a very particular point of view.

00:08:20.980 And it is amazing that in some cases,

00:08:24.160 certain guests are challenged and in other cases,

00:08:28.620 guests are,

00:08:29.260 they have free reign to say whatever without any challenge,

00:08:32.880 even though the ideas,

00:08:34.100 if you try to break down the individual ideas,

00:08:37.020 they are quite extreme.

00:08:39.220 Like you have anybody who's like talking about gender ideology on a newscast

00:08:46.580 that goes unchallenged to make statements about biology.

00:08:50.040 That goes unchallenged,

00:08:53.840 but you have anybody who's contrary to that and they will get challenged that

00:08:57.560 they're hateful or like, 0.56

00:08:58.960 well,

00:08:59.120 we can't talk about this or like,

00:09:01.220 you don't have the same vibes from the,

00:09:04.720 from whoever's doing the interview.

00:09:07.920 And we're going to see in a,

00:09:09.180 in a clip,

00:09:10.200 probably not the first one,

00:09:11.220 but the second one,

00:09:12.160 or some,

00:09:14.200 I know maybe it is the first one where some claims are made about,

00:09:16.480 John Rustad in BC.

00:09:19.900 We're going to talk about the BC election.

00:09:23.300 Supposedly they had an election.

00:09:24.540 I don't know.

00:09:24.900 As of this recording on Wednesday,

00:09:27.360 October 23rd,

00:09:28.240 we still have no,

00:09:29.080 you know,

00:09:29.920 no news.

00:09:30.280 Yeah.

00:09:30.520 That was four days ago before we record this.

00:09:33.960 And apparently it could take another week or two.

00:09:37.240 So they're still messing around with mail-in ballots and.

00:09:41.000 Yeah.

00:09:42.160 Yeah.

00:09:42.880 They,

00:09:43.160 they're finger painting at this point.

00:09:44.720 There's,

00:09:45.200 there's some side activities going on.

00:09:47.860 Yeah.

00:09:48.320 It's a,

00:09:48.940 it's,

00:09:49.240 it's really bad.

00:09:50.020 And so we're going to hear some,

00:09:51.660 some comments about where I was going with this is that.

00:09:56.760 Apparently John Rustad is a,

00:09:58.340 is a climate change denier.

00:09:59.960 And so what I,

00:10:01.180 what I,

00:10:01.860 I don't like,

00:10:03.100 I don't have quotes or anything at the ready,

00:10:04.860 but what I could,

00:10:05.860 I would bet my house on.

00:10:07.240 And he has hit the extent of his climate change denialism is probably

00:10:12.720 something in along the lines of we shouldn't hamstring our oil and gas

00:10:16.420 economy to placate a global agenda because China and India are polluting 0.94

00:10:21.720 the world beyond recognition anyway.

00:10:23.520 So it's probably,

00:10:24.740 I would,

00:10:25.020 I would bet my house on it being something like that and not climate change

00:10:28.680 denialism because my,

00:10:30.740 to bring it back to what you're saying,

00:10:32.980 the,

00:10:33.300 the actual window of the,

00:10:35.540 like the Overton window,

00:10:36.620 they say,

00:10:37.020 right?

00:10:37.220 The,

00:10:37.360 the actual window of acceptable things to say in Canadian politics right

00:10:41.000 now is exceptionally small.

00:10:42.780 So they,

00:10:44.040 they,

00:10:44.600 the,

00:10:44.940 the national media makes mountains at a mole,

00:10:47.920 molehills on every issue that you can imagine.

00:10:50.160 So when you're specifically,

00:10:52.140 when you're talking about things like gender ideology or climate or race or

00:10:57.000 drugs or anything like that,

00:10:58.440 any sort of a dissenting view,

00:11:00.960 no matter how maybe,

00:11:02.560 um,

00:11:03.940 maybe,

00:11:04.300 you know,

00:11:05.620 minute in the grand scheme of things has to be painted as a very,

00:11:08.920 uh,

00:11:09.980 extremist view because there just isn't all that much,

00:11:13.120 you know,

00:11:15.100 disagreement on this.

00:11:15.960 Like most people aren't,

00:11:17.260 you know,

00:11:17.620 on,

00:11:17.920 on such extremes for these issues.

00:11:19.520 So any sort of deviation from the,

00:11:21.880 the,

00:11:23.140 um,

00:11:24.780 the,

00:11:25.080 the media narrative sort of has to get blown out of proportion for the,

00:11:29.380 for the clicks,

00:11:30.540 I'd imagine to different,

00:11:31.440 to even differentiate between these people at all.

00:11:33.420 Right.

00:11:34.040 Well,

00:11:34.320 if you're outside the window,

00:11:36.300 you're just outside in your extreme.

00:11:39.000 Yeah.

00:11:39.400 Don't differentiate between levels of extreme.

00:11:41.880 How far outside you are.

00:11:43.200 Yeah.

00:11:43.420 Yeah.

00:11:43.740 Because you could say,

00:11:45.060 well,

00:11:45.480 CO2 is plant food and there's still some debate on the extent which CO2 is

00:11:52.400 harmful.

00:11:52.880 Yeah.

00:11:54.200 Like you,

00:11:55.500 you can find scientists debating that very,

00:11:58.360 that very fact.

00:11:59.940 And like to,

00:12:00.960 to think there's a consensus is maybe a little bit,

00:12:04.680 it's jumping the gun.

00:12:06.140 And so anyone can go and read,

00:12:08.540 uh,

00:12:09.140 what's his name?

00:12:10.640 Something Epstein,

00:12:11.720 um,

00:12:12.680 who wrote,

00:12:13.300 uh,

00:12:13.560 fossil future,

00:12:14.340 uh,

00:12:15.580 Alex Epstein.

00:12:16.640 Anyone can go read that book.

00:12:17.960 It's in every single bookstore and he can,

00:12:20.660 he can show you the exact studies and the exact,

00:12:22.940 you know,

00:12:23.180 the,

00:12:23.480 the amount of scientists that there are active in the space talking right

00:12:28.280 now.

00:12:28.640 There is,

00:12:29.340 there is no consensus.

00:12:30.200 The,

00:12:30.540 the notion that there's a consensus about the extent,

00:12:33.740 the degree,

00:12:34.880 the,

00:12:35.600 the timeline of anthropos,

00:12:38.640 anthropocentric,

00:12:39.420 uh, 0.55

00:12:40.440 climate change is nonsense.

00:12:42.680 There is no consensus.

00:12:43.620 It's,

00:12:44.080 it's ridiculous to assume that,

00:12:46.400 but,

00:12:46.840 but,

00:12:47.040 but people don't know because they don't get exposed to it.

00:12:48.840 Right.

00:12:48.980 What you're saying is that you're climate changed and,

00:12:51.700 and yeah,

00:12:53.340 me and,

00:12:54.880 me and John Russ dad,

00:12:55.880 just climate change deniers.

00:12:57.640 Yeah.

00:12:58.020 That was a whole,

00:12:58.680 that was a whole lot of denial.

00:13:00.200 Uh,

00:13:00.520 let's,

00:13:00.900 let's hear,

00:13:01.460 let's hear how,

00:13:03.120 how this guy's extreme in many other ways.

00:13:05.580 Zero extreme.

00:13:06.140 Yes.

00:13:07.080 All right.

00:13:09.400 Wait,

00:13:09.840 if you had given the BC NDP opportunity to form a perfect political

00:13:15.520 opponent in a laboratory six months ago,

00:13:17.980 they would have given you a party very similar to the BC conservatives.

00:13:21.560 They would have given you a leader that perhaps is not that charismatic,

00:13:25.480 perhaps has some climate change denialism,

00:13:28.080 some skept,

00:13:28.740 uh,

00:13:29.140 some vaccine skepticism has pandered to conspiracy theorists.

00:13:33.560 Maybe their frontline would be not that well known BC liberal MLAs.

00:13:38.040 And then the rest of the party would be rounded out by basically internet trolls.

00:13:42.040 On top of that,

00:13:43.120 the BC conservatives did not have a get out the vote strategy.

00:13:46.640 They didn't really have voter ID systems.

00:13:49.120 I mean,

00:13:49.340 this was a,

00:13:49.900 this was a party that really did not have the same amount of resources as the

00:13:54.000 BC NDP.

00:13:54.580 Wow.

00:13:56.200 Just all sorts of,

00:13:57.380 uh,

00:13:57.900 all sorts of things.

00:13:59.660 Hey,

00:14:00.580 yeah,

00:14:02.140 that was just a full on rant.

00:14:04.300 This is just silliness.

00:14:07.820 Yeah.

00:14:08.220 I mean,

00:14:08.500 I don't know what,

00:14:09.180 like,

00:14:09.300 I don't even know what to say about how,

00:14:10.860 like this,

00:14:12.260 that,

00:14:12.480 that is,

00:14:13.240 that's like,

00:14:13.920 just to put it into context for our,

00:14:16.820 anyone who didn't watch the,

00:14:18.140 the,

00:14:18.440 the broadcaster might not be Canadian that this is CBC news.

00:14:21.600 This is our national broadcaster.

00:14:23.980 Put this guy on TV to call an entire provincial political party anti-vaxxers and,

00:14:32.560 and internet trolls.

00:14:33.960 Like,

00:14:34.780 and that went unchallenged.

00:14:36.460 It would totally unchallenged.

00:14:38.000 And,

00:14:38.080 and that,

00:14:38.480 that is,

00:14:39.040 uh,

00:14:39.760 that's,

00:14:40.080 that's sophisticated,

00:14:41.120 uh,

00:14:41.840 CBC political discourse.

00:14:44.480 Yeah.

00:14:44.920 And it's so lazy.

00:14:45.740 It's just like,

00:14:46.380 it's just so I watched that and I just like that it would,

00:14:49.720 it would have made me mad,

00:14:51.180 you know,

00:14:51.720 years ago,

00:14:52.420 but,

00:14:52.920 but,

00:14:53.980 it's just like,

00:14:55.420 I can't even take it seriously.

00:14:56.600 I don't,

00:14:57.000 I just don't know who like,

00:14:59.440 you know,

00:15:00.180 we'll talk some American politics here later,

00:15:03.980 but,

00:15:04.720 um,

00:15:05.540 it just reminds me of how,

00:15:07.320 like,

00:15:08.760 look at what's happening with the state of American news media,

00:15:13.560 where the former president running for reelection is instead of doing,

00:15:22.060 he's,

00:15:22.400 he's actively refusing 60 minutes,

00:15:24.680 uh,

00:15:25.700 ABC,

00:15:26.460 NBC,

00:15:26.820 uh,

00:15:29.080 see,

00:15:29.380 I'm probably CNN.

00:15:30.820 Um,

00:15:31.360 and he's doing Theo Vaughn's podcast and he did Andrew Schultz's flagrant podcast.

00:15:36.500 He's,

00:15:36.880 he's going to be on Joe Rogan in a couple of days.

00:15:38.800 Like,

00:15:40.260 this is,

00:15:41.280 it could not be a bigger indictment of how little relevance TV news media,

00:15:49.920 corporate press has in the,

00:15:52.700 in the modern,

00:15:53.300 uh,

00:15:54.500 it,

00:15:54.680 like in the,

00:15:55.040 in the,

00:15:55.360 in the person's mind now of what constitutes a place that you would go to learn about politics.

00:16:00.560 You,

00:16:01.240 you would learn more about politics by watching a three hour podcast on,

00:16:07.160 uh,

00:16:09.020 Spotify with a,

00:16:10.660 an MMA announcer than you would from listening to Canada's national broadcaster.

00:16:15.180 Like how,

00:16:15.840 how embarrassing is that?

00:16:18.080 Well,

00:16:18.680 there,

00:16:18.860 there's two things a podcast will do and that's their long form questions.

00:16:23.700 You're not bound by time.

00:16:25.140 Therefore you can explore the ideas in full depth.

00:16:29.480 And then you're also,

00:16:30.840 it forces you to like,

00:16:35.140 think on the spot because,

00:16:36.740 well,

00:16:36.940 you don't know everything a host,

00:16:38.700 like the conversation will go wherever it is.

00:16:40.660 Like it'll go down in an organic way down in a direction and things will come up.

00:16:47.220 And you'll get answers that you couldn't predict.

00:16:50.900 Otherwise,

00:16:51.420 if you never explored this direction of a,

00:16:54.860 of a topic.

00:16:56.200 And I think that scares people who are very much reliant on scripted interviews,

00:17:02.560 or if they're going to go on a podcast that they don't know what will be asked,

00:17:08.800 it's putting a lot of pressure on them to break free.

00:17:11.840 Like if they're so measured and everything has to be like figured out beforehand,

00:17:16.740 a unscripted podcast is quite dangerous to,

00:17:21.500 to somebody like Camilla Harris,

00:17:24.920 who's not able to like even a scripted questions.

00:17:30.000 She has,

00:17:30.560 she has troubles troubles. 1.00

00:17:32.300 Did you see that clip of what,

00:17:33.300 of when her teleprompter broke,

00:17:35.860 she was in the middle of a speech.

00:17:38.360 Did you see that?

00:17:39.120 I don't think so.

00:17:39.720 So to exactly to your point,

00:17:42.640 listen,

00:17:43.280 what happens when somebody who is so reliant on a script and,

00:17:47.180 and doesn't potentially doesn't have a single original thought in her head,

00:17:51.460 but we can't be sure of that.

00:17:53.740 Uh,

00:17:54.500 just,

00:17:55.020 just watch what happens.

00:17:55.760 Remember his number 32.

00:18:02.220 Today,

00:18:02.900 we got 32 days until the election.

00:18:10.920 There it goes.

00:18:13.100 So 32 days,

00:18:15.520 32 days.

00:18:18.580 Okay.

00:18:18.980 We got some business to do.

00:18:20.300 We got some business to do.

00:18:21.500 All right.

00:18:23.380 32 days.

00:18:25.440 And we know we will do it.

00:18:33.160 And,

00:18:33.820 and this is going to be a very tight race until the very end.

00:18:39.480 This is going to be a very tight race until the very end.

00:18:43.240 We are the underdog and we know we have some hard work ahead,

00:18:47.660 but here's that.

00:18:48.740 That's so bad.

00:18:49.940 It's like somebody doing a presentation and you phone it in and you're just 0.99

00:18:54.780 making shit up. 0.99

00:18:56.200 Yeah. 0.99

00:18:56.680 Just as you go along,

00:18:57.760 like sort of like what we do,

00:18:59.000 but on a,

00:18:59.600 on a much bigger stage,

00:19:00.880 which much with much higher consequences.

00:19:03.600 Did you see your face?

00:19:04.840 Like just drop.

00:19:06.020 This is like,

00:19:06.640 literally just like,

00:19:08.060 I will say,

00:19:09.180 if you're not expecting it,

00:19:11.040 that will throw somebody off,

00:19:12.620 but Oh sure.

00:19:13.620 You should also just be,

00:19:15.400 if you're in that position,

00:19:16.340 you should be better at just being able to like explore ideas,

00:19:20.840 continue your train of thought.

00:19:22.920 Like you'd expect a little bit more.

00:19:25.160 Yeah.

00:19:25.740 Like maybe like,

00:19:26.880 wouldn't you have practiced it?

00:19:27.800 Even if you don't remember the exact words,

00:19:29.960 you can just go to your next point.

00:19:31.260 And then when it comes back,

00:19:32.400 you can kind of pick back up with the specifics.

00:19:34.640 But it's like,

00:19:35.600 I really honestly believe that she doesn't have a next point.

00:19:40.720 Like she doesn't have,

00:19:41.500 she,

00:19:42.220 I think this is why Dave Smith talked about this before,

00:19:44.860 and we're going to actually hear from him later,

00:19:46.060 but he's talked about this before,

00:19:49.480 about how like from what we know of Kamala Harris,

00:19:53.380 she's,

00:19:53.720 she's not a person.

00:19:54.620 Like she's not a real person.

00:19:55.820 She's a,

00:19:56.560 she's a,

00:19:57.360 she's exactly what whoever is handling her wants her to be.

00:20:01.320 And that's why the establishment and like the machine,

00:20:04.720 if you will,

00:20:05.200 likes her so much because she's,

00:20:07.140 she'll just say the lines.

00:20:09.520 She'll just,

00:20:10.120 whatever you feed her,

00:20:11.180 she will repeat be,

00:20:14.200 you know,

00:20:14.460 as relatively charming as she can be doing it.

00:20:17.020 But she doesn't have,

00:20:18.600 you know,

00:20:19.440 firm policy positions on anything because I,

00:20:22.460 I just don't think that she's considered it.

00:20:24.540 I think that she just,

00:20:25.720 she just wants to like,

00:20:26.880 she's one of those people that just wants to accumulate power and status for 1.00

00:20:30.960 the sake of it.

00:20:31.760 And we'll just do,

00:20:32.900 you know,

00:20:34.060 you know what it takes to get there.

00:20:35.060 And there are lots of people like that,

00:20:36.500 but oftentimes those people will still have,

00:20:40.140 you know,

00:20:41.140 firmly held beliefs on things and opinions on stuff.

00:20:43.240 But if you're to take Kamala Harris's word for it,

00:20:45.760 she's a gun toting, 1.00

00:20:48.220 uh,

00:20:49.120 Dick Cheney endorsement,

00:20:50.700 you know,

00:20:51.440 you know,

00:20:51.560 thanking,

00:20:52.140 uh,

00:20:53.140 pro fracking Democrat.

00:20:55.860 And it's like,

00:20:56.660 none of this is congruent with what she's ever said or,

00:21:02.100 or the party has traditionally ever stood for.

00:21:05.640 So anyway,

00:21:06.440 that's a,

00:21:07.400 yeah.

00:21:07.580 Like,

00:21:07.920 well,

00:21:08.180 if you,

00:21:08.920 you don't really see,

00:21:11.120 I don't really see her personality come up or her,

00:21:16.200 you don't see her exploring ideas in any of the like interviews,

00:21:20.720 it's very much very scripted talking,

00:21:25.900 very reactionary,

00:21:26.980 very,

00:21:27.300 very positioned in a way of,

00:21:30.060 well,

00:21:30.100 I'm not Trump.

00:21:31.520 Yeah.

00:21:32.060 Like,

00:21:32.280 you know,

00:21:32.480 whatever he's,

00:21:33.540 whatever he wants,

00:21:34.340 we,

00:21:34.560 we want the opposite of that.

00:21:35.840 But,

00:21:36.460 and we do see some parallels to what's happening in Canada with one line in

00:21:41.240 that was actually really interesting.

00:21:43.480 The,

00:21:43.820 we are the underdog.

00:21:45.360 I'm just like,

00:21:46.000 well,

00:21:46.420 what does that mean?

00:21:48.380 She has the entire media apparatus behind her. 1.00

00:21:52.620 She's currently vice president.

00:21:54.920 She's the current vice president.

00:21:56.520 Yeah.

00:21:56.620 So anytime she says,

00:21:58.060 we're going to fix things,

00:21:59.700 we're going to do it.

00:22:01.040 Vote for me.

00:22:01.860 We'll do it.

00:22:02.220 It's like,

00:22:02.480 why aren't you doing it right now?

00:22:04.240 Just do it.

00:22:04.980 Just do it.

00:22:05.520 You're already,

00:22:07.000 you should,

00:22:07.880 it should be being done at this moment.

00:22:10.920 Like,

00:22:11.200 actually,

00:22:11.480 there's actually,

00:22:11.940 you should be doing it now.

00:22:13.180 You should be racing to do it now,

00:22:14.760 just in case you don't win.

00:22:17.080 Right.

00:22:18.160 Exactly.

00:22:18.840 Like you're already in the position where you can do this.

00:22:22.540 Don't say like,

00:22:23.740 don't say like,

00:22:25.400 vote us in and then we'll do it.

00:22:27.020 That's the same thing with you look at Trudeau and some of his promises.

00:22:33.100 And he's run multiple times.

00:22:35.520 And if you compare some of the messaging of like,

00:22:37.760 well,

00:22:38.180 we're going to build more houses.

00:22:40.760 I was like,

00:22:41.380 well,

00:22:41.660 what about the last four years?

00:22:43.260 What about,

00:22:43.800 what about before that?

00:22:45.560 Or anytime he talks about clean water or like indigenous,

00:22:51.620 like we're going to improve the conditions for indigenous people.

00:22:55.540 It's like,

00:22:56.660 that's what you ran on in 2015.

00:22:59.660 Yeah.

00:23:00.440 So nine years later,

00:23:03.560 what,

00:23:05.260 like,

00:23:05.620 what have you done in those nine years?

00:23:08.400 For any,

00:23:09.120 any American listeners that we might have,

00:23:11.300 uh,

00:23:11.920 we have an equivalent of Flint,

00:23:13.960 Michigan in Canada,

00:23:15.120 uh,

00:23:16.200 in,

00:23:16.560 in Northern Manitoba.

00:23:17.680 I don't,

00:23:18.320 I don't know the name of the town,

00:23:19.420 but it's a,

00:23:20.480 an indigenous reservation that has had a boil water advisory for,

00:23:25.860 well,

00:23:28.480 it has over nine years now.

00:23:30.140 We know that it's since he,

00:23:31.620 since he got into,

00:23:32.720 uh,

00:23:34.040 since he got into office in 2015 till now,

00:23:36.840 it's never been fixed.

00:23:38.500 There's a clip out there.

00:23:39.480 I don't know if we have to shorten it.

00:23:40.820 Maybe we'll link to it of,

00:23:42.760 uh,

00:23:44.260 somebody,

00:23:44.760 an,

00:23:44.840 an indigenous protester crashing one of his,

00:23:47.300 uh,

00:23:47.980 multiple thousand dollar play tonight.

00:23:50.180 Tinners did you fundraisers?

00:23:51.360 Did you,

00:23:51.640 do you know this clip?

00:23:53.000 Uh,

00:23:53.420 no.

00:23:53.780 And he,

00:23:54.680 uh,

00:23:55.760 they get her ushered out of there and he thanks her for a donation on the,

00:23:59.000 as they're,

00:23:59.420 as they're dragging her out.

00:24:00.340 She's like,

00:24:00.720 yeah,

00:24:02.280 so like a perfect,

00:24:05.380 like little window into the,

00:24:06.840 the actual,

00:24:07.420 like what he true,

00:24:08.500 how he truly feels about these people. 0.98

00:24:10.000 Like he does not give a shit about helping. 0.96

00:24:11.520 You, 0.99

00:24:11.840 you,

00:24:12.100 you find these dualities in,

00:24:14.420 they come up with like,

00:24:16.280 well,

00:24:16.520 you have land acknowledgements and then you have like,

00:24:19.600 okay,

00:24:19.860 well you're acknowledging we're on the sacred land of this tribe.

00:24:24.120 And then you look at the actual way that indigenous people are supported or the lives that they're living or the empty promises, 1.00

00:24:32.480 like they're never followed through.

00:24:33.740 So you have these performative moralizing acts that really don't do anything other than make the person doing it feel good or feel like you are by doing this.

00:24:46.020 I am a good person.

00:24:46.940 And that's,

00:24:48.180 that's the only,

00:24:49.320 it's the only thing that that's to it.

00:24:52.360 Yeah.

00:24:53.020 Who was the comedian that was like,

00:24:54.320 why he doesn't allow land acknowledgements at his shows?

00:24:59.000 Cause he's like,

00:24:59.500 what are you going to do?

00:25:00.020 Give it back.

00:25:02.240 No one's given it back.

00:25:03.460 So why are we,

00:25:04.240 why are we here?

00:25:04.700 Why are we doing this?

00:25:05.980 The,

00:25:06.320 uh,

00:25:06.560 maybe we'll do a land acknowledgement for somebody who took one of your guitars.

00:25:10.040 I acknowledge this guitar is from Mike and I continue to play it.

00:25:14.580 I'm not going to give back,

00:25:16.280 but I acknowledge it.

00:25:17.120 It's like every time you,

00:25:18.340 like you go to a show,

00:25:19.580 every time this person plays,

00:25:21.500 they will acknowledge the person they stole,

00:25:23.560 stole the guitar from.

00:25:24.700 Oh,

00:25:25.400 um,

00:25:26.820 not a perfect analogy.

00:25:27.680 I'm still having it.

00:25:29.000 That's.

00:25:30.980 Uh,

00:25:31.380 man.

00:25:31.860 Okay.

00:25:32.300 Are we ready for,

00:25:33.280 um,

00:25:33.980 let's see,

00:25:34.540 um,

00:25:35.800 yeah,

00:25:36.000 John,

00:25:36.440 uh,

00:25:36.820 Rustad here.

00:25:37.620 Uh,

00:25:38.600 but,

00:25:39.000 um,

00:25:40.320 yeah.

00:25:40.660 So this is just following the election,

00:25:44.580 which is very,

00:25:45.660 very close.

00:25:46.680 And there are some writings that are within a hundred votes,

00:25:49.660 which does automatically trigger a recount,

00:25:52.500 which is understandable.

00:25:55.440 Um,

00:25:55.920 but he's more or less going to unpack the dynamics behind the election.

00:26:01.920 Yeah.

00:26:02.340 And this is,

00:26:03.040 um,

00:26:03.860 what's the name of this guy?

00:26:05.040 It's the name of this host.

00:26:06.860 This is,

00:26:07.480 um,

00:26:08.400 Stephen Quinn.

00:26:09.040 And he was,

00:26:09.740 he was one of the main commentators on the night,

00:26:11.620 uh,

00:26:11.880 the election too.

00:26:12.780 It was,

00:26:13.380 uh,

00:26:14.660 it was,

00:26:15.240 I,

00:26:15.720 I don't know if I could find it.

00:26:17.020 I was watching it though.

00:26:18.100 And I remember specifically,

00:26:19.220 um,

00:26:19.880 a clip that he was talking about,

00:26:21.260 like it was just sort of a cut between a,

00:26:23.840 some feature at a,

00:26:25.220 you know,

00:26:25.980 um,

00:26:27.420 conservative party headquarters or something.

00:26:29.820 And he,

00:26:30.680 and it cuts back to him and his panel.

00:26:32.260 And he's like,

00:26:32.940 yeah,

00:26:33.800 well,

00:26:34.140 you know,

00:26:34.440 uh,

00:26:34.700 I look forward to all those,

00:26:35.900 uh,

00:26:36.120 all those grand promises of,

00:26:37.840 uh,

00:26:38.020 the conservatives coming true.

00:26:39.300 And,

00:26:39.820 uh,

00:26:39.920 if they,

00:26:40.420 if they do end up forming government,

00:26:41.780 then he's like,

00:26:42.800 no,

00:26:43.380 nothing,

00:26:43.840 no comment,

00:26:44.360 no,

00:26:44.500 nothing passes it off to,

00:26:45.800 you know,

00:26:46.620 the next,

00:26:47.140 uh,

00:26:47.900 the next person.

00:26:48.600 And then it's just like,

00:26:49.620 wow,

00:26:49.900 this is like,

00:26:51.180 not even,

00:26:51.720 not even an attempt to be objective,

00:26:54.520 but anyway,

00:26:55.520 we'll listen to about five minutes long here.

00:26:58.420 Three of four seats in Richmond.

00:26:59.940 What does that tell you?

00:27:01.300 Well,

00:27:01.420 Richmond,

00:27:01.960 you know,

00:27:02.460 with both Richmond and Surrey,

00:27:04.240 uh,

00:27:04.480 really,

00:27:04.780 when you look at what the conservative vote representative represented,

00:27:08.960 it was pretty much,

00:27:09.940 you know,

00:27:10.220 rural BC,

00:27:11.360 uh,

00:27:11.600 but also a lot of ethnic minorities,

00:27:13.780 whether it's,

00:27:14.560 um,

00:27:14.800 Chinese Canadians or Indo-Canadians.

00:27:16.720 Um,

00:27:17.640 and so a lot of those groups came together and said,

00:27:20.520 you know,

00:27:20.740 they had enough,

00:27:21.660 whether it was the drugs and crime problems,

00:27:23.560 whether it was SOGI that's going to our schools,

00:27:25.420 there's a lot of things that were driving people that wanted to see change.

00:27:28.920 Um,

00:27:30.080 so you,

00:27:31.260 I mean,

00:27:32.440 drugs and crime and SOGI are two ways to scare people,

00:27:36.460 basically.

00:27:37.320 Well,

00:27:37.780 I wouldn't say that,

00:27:38.640 um,

00:27:39.180 necessarily when parents are very concerned about their kids,

00:27:42.200 they're concerned about their own safety.

00:27:44.280 Sure.

00:27:44.580 But is there anything to it?

00:27:45.780 But does,

00:27:46.160 I don't want to get into it because we do every time,

00:27:48.460 but really,

00:27:48.940 is there anything to fear from SOGI?

00:27:51.360 Really?

00:27:52.400 Well,

00:27:52.800 you know,

00:27:53.220 when your six year old boy,

00:27:55.120 his grandson comes home and sitting at the dinner table and saying,

00:27:58.400 you know,

00:27:58.600 grandpa,

00:27:58.980 is it okay that I'm a boy at six years old?

00:28:01.320 Should they really be asking those questions?

00:28:02.880 Why not?

00:28:03.200 Why wouldn't they ask a question?

00:28:04.440 Well,

00:28:04.740 that's a question I think that the electorate has looks at and says,

00:28:07.800 you know,

00:28:08.100 they don't find that acceptable.

00:28:09.220 When you look at also,

00:28:10.680 quite frankly,

00:28:11.160 the pornography that is in our school.

00:28:13.040 There is no pornography involved in the SOGI program.

00:28:16.040 There is no pornography in the SOGI program.

00:28:18.200 And I don't want to go through this again because we go through it every time.

00:28:21.360 But let's,

00:28:21.780 but let's also talk about the crime and drug factor too,

00:28:24.480 because you're in Richmond warning them against what you are calling drug dens.

00:28:28.980 Um,

00:28:29.240 there are no supervised consumption sites in Richmond.

00:28:32.040 So first of all,

00:28:34.120 let's show,

00:28:34.760 let's actually show the books that are being made available in our schools on your television show.

00:28:38.960 And let's see what kind of ratings you get with that.

00:28:41.300 That are being made available in our schools.

00:28:42.700 That are being made available in our schools.

00:28:43.640 Right.

00:28:43.660 But they're not part of a curriculum.

00:28:45.360 They came from the SOGI initiative,

00:28:47.560 which is not a curriculum.

00:28:49.000 It is a philosophy that has been brought to schools.

00:28:51.460 But when it comes to,

00:28:52.660 you know,

00:28:52.980 what's going on in Richmond,

00:28:54.040 there was...

00:28:54.700 Keep pause for a sec.

00:28:55.860 Um,

00:28:56.140 housing units that are being put in.

00:28:58.120 So that's brilliant because all the times you've seen,

00:29:04.420 and this happens at school board meetings.

00:29:06.940 This has happened in parliament.

00:29:08.960 This has happened where people takes,

00:29:11.380 they take books that are available in schools and they're immediately censored or shut down

00:29:17.720 because it's too inappropriate for whatever form.

00:29:20.480 It's like the school board meeting.

00:29:22.420 It's like,

00:29:23.160 well,

00:29:23.260 you can't say all these,

00:29:24.560 you can't describe that sexual act because that's too graphic.

00:29:28.120 For this meeting of adults.

00:29:30.300 Or it's unparliamentary language.

00:29:33.820 And you're like,

00:29:34.180 well,

00:29:35.140 yeah,

00:29:35.720 if we can't read it in parliament,

00:29:37.660 why are these kids,

00:29:38.860 like,

00:29:39.100 why are these books available for like a 10 year old in these schools?

00:29:44.160 And there's a,

00:29:45.200 there's a perfect microcosm there of the,

00:29:47.560 it's not happening.

00:29:49.040 It happens sometimes.

00:29:50.660 And then it's,

00:29:51.620 it'll,

00:29:51.960 they,

00:29:52.260 they moved on,

00:29:53.060 but it would have,

00:29:53.600 it eventually would have been,

00:29:55.260 it's a good thing that it's happening.

00:29:56.640 There,

00:29:57.040 there is no pornography.

00:29:58.120 In schools.

00:29:59.080 Okay.

00:29:59.300 The pornography is there,

00:30:00.220 but it's not directly part of the Soji and the Soji initiatives.

00:30:03.500 Okay.

00:30:03.900 Well,

00:30:04.260 it's the Soji initiatives.

00:30:05.320 Isn't,

00:30:05.780 isn't a program per se,

00:30:06.920 but the,

00:30:07.240 the books were initially acquired by the philosophy that allowed the,

00:30:11.880 the,

00:30:12.240 that program to proliferate through the school.

00:30:14.880 What a joke.

00:30:15.760 Okay.

00:30:16.160 Well,

00:30:16.340 and then,

00:30:16.620 and then they'll just say like,

00:30:17.560 well,

00:30:17.840 the,

00:30:18.120 the books are,

00:30:18.980 it's necessary to prepare kids for a greater understanding of sexuality.

00:30:23.160 And like,

00:30:24.220 like they'll just dismiss the,

00:30:26.280 the vulgarity or the appropriateness.

00:30:29.060 Um,

00:30:29.660 and in topics like this,

00:30:31.400 conservatives are painted.

00:30:34.080 We saw this in our coverage of the million March for kids.

00:30:38.840 And we're talking about Soji is you look at the messaging from anybody,

00:30:44.700 any of the counter protesters or anybody pushing back on this or anybody pro

00:30:48.920 Soji.

00:30:49.620 And they think it's like,

00:30:51.020 well,

00:30:51.360 this is coming from a place of fear mongering and hate.

00:30:55.940 Well,

00:30:57.140 these conservatives hate the LGBTQ community.

00:31:03.420 Therefore,

00:31:03.900 they just don't want like they,

00:31:06.560 they want to, 0.76

00:31:07.300 they don't want trans kids there, 1.00

00:31:09.760 or they don't want, 0.99

00:31:10.780 they don't want gay kids to be able to express themselves. 1.00

00:31:14.000 There's all these unwritten kind of like, 0.93

00:31:16.080 uh,

00:31:17.720 messaging attached or these labels attached.

00:31:20.240 Um,

00:31:20.980 when you have this pushback and this host,

00:31:23.760 you can see he's argued these things before.

00:31:28.200 I'm not sure specifically with John Rudstad or with just other people on

00:31:33.540 CBC,

00:31:33.940 but a good host at that point would ask clarifying questions and would unpack

00:31:40.440 things like,

00:31:41.420 well,

00:31:41.560 what do you,

00:31:42.160 what do you mean by this?

00:31:44.620 It's like,

00:31:45.460 well,

00:31:46.180 or,

00:31:47.300 or what evidence do you have of this?

00:31:49.000 What evidence or what examples?

00:31:51.000 Not telling the,

00:31:51.620 not telling the guests that,

00:31:52.780 that they're wrong.

00:31:53.740 And this is why when in fact,

00:31:56.080 they're not wrong.

00:31:56.980 And,

00:31:57.540 and the host is actually wrong.

00:31:59.240 It's,

00:31:59.580 it would,

00:32:00.340 well,

00:32:01.280 infuriating to watch.

00:32:03.000 So that's just the Soji part,

00:32:04.540 but we still have the,

00:32:05.320 uh,

00:32:05.680 the drug element.

00:32:07.100 Oh yes.

00:32:07.640 Oh yes.

00:32:08.520 Good.

00:32:09.140 Where drug consumption is being allowed.

00:32:10.920 There was safe injection sites,

00:32:12.540 which were proposed to come into Richmond,

00:32:14.400 uh,

00:32:15.100 that we said,

00:32:15.700 no,

00:32:15.840 we will not allow that to happen.

00:32:17.520 Drug consumption takes place in every neighborhood in this province,

00:32:20.080 in,

00:32:20.520 in rich neighborhoods and poor neighborhoods,

00:32:22.420 all over this province.

00:32:23.840 People are consuming drugs.

00:32:25.820 So talk to,

00:32:26.920 uh,

00:32:27.100 talk to the families that live,

00:32:28.320 uh,

00:32:28.720 in an area where one of these,

00:32:29.940 uh,

00:32:30.400 housing units have come in and ask them about what's happened with the drugs and the crime

00:32:34.920 within their neighborhoods,

00:32:36.020 particularly when it's close to a school or playground.

00:32:39.540 And take a look at these places.

00:32:40.800 People should be afraid then is what you're saying.

00:32:42.660 People are afraid when you see the drugs and crime happening in the neighborhood.

00:32:45.860 Right.

00:32:46.200 You know,

00:32:46.880 there's random,

00:32:47.660 random things going on.

00:32:48.640 You seem to think that it is okay for this to be happening everywhere in the province.

00:32:52.120 I do not believe that's true.

00:32:53.680 I,

00:32:53.920 and,

00:32:54.180 and I don't believe it's,

00:32:55.280 I don't believe it's okay either.

00:32:56.680 But what I'm saying is,

00:32:58.260 you know,

00:32:58.540 when people are looking at the,

00:33:00.460 the,

00:33:01.300 the issues that they're dealing with on a day-to-day basis,

00:33:04.480 blowing things out of proportion,

00:33:06.460 taking single incidents that are terrible incidents,

00:33:09.320 and trying to turn those into the norm is not necessarily helpful.

00:33:13.320 The evidence shows that overall crime is down.

00:33:15.820 The evidence shows that stranger attacks are down.

00:33:19.160 The,

00:33:19.400 you know,

00:33:19.840 the evidence shows.

00:33:21.620 Steven,

00:33:22.160 I would challenge you on that.

00:33:23.220 And the reason why I would challenge you on is this.

00:33:25.200 Talk to the police about it.

00:33:26.920 And the problem is,

00:33:27.740 The police will tell you the crime is down overall,

00:33:29.140 that stranger attacks are down.

00:33:30.040 The police will tell you that it's down because they can't lay charges because there's no point.

00:33:34.360 Charges are not going through.

00:33:35.360 So many,

00:33:36.060 many crimes are going without charges being laid.

00:33:39.320 There's a reason why,

00:33:40.660 for example,

00:33:41.600 save on foods has hired 345 security guards around the province.

00:33:45.640 And it's not because it's,

00:33:47.520 it's not because they suddenly think that they need those jobs because they've got problems.

00:33:51.320 They've got crime.

00:33:52.120 They've got drugs coming. 0.64

00:33:53.480 They got the things,

00:33:54.220 stuff being stolen out of the stores,

00:33:56.340 their staff are not feeling safe.

00:33:57.920 This is what is going on our cruise.

00:33:59.440 Could it be because people can't afford to eat?

00:34:03.740 Talk to the small businesses where things are walking out of their stores on a regular basis and how difficult it is.

00:34:08.600 Look at how many businesses are closed down now.

00:34:11.020 People are not going downtown anymore because they're not feeling safe.

00:34:14.380 This is what is out there in our society today.

00:34:17.000 And it should not be trivialized and become normal.

00:34:19.880 I'm not suggesting,

00:34:20.620 I'm not trivializing it at all.

00:34:22.020 I'm saying that you see the world in a very particular way,

00:34:26.020 in a way that's a dangerous,

00:34:27.580 awful place.

00:34:28.800 That's it.

00:34:29.140 And,

00:34:29.320 and I'm,

00:34:29.960 I don't know that everybody sees it that way.

00:34:31.860 Everybody may not see it that way,

00:34:33.160 but I can tell you something.

00:34:34.400 Were there tons of 10 cities all over the house seven years ago?

00:34:37.060 No,

00:34:37.260 all over the,

00:34:37.880 the city,

00:34:38.920 no,

00:34:39.140 I mean,

00:34:39.440 the province.

00:34:39.940 No,

00:34:40.060 there wasn't.

00:34:40.880 Those are popping up.

00:34:42.200 Was there people doing drugs all over the place?

00:34:44.560 No,

00:34:44.700 it was more limited and very serious.

00:34:46.160 Now there's drugs all over.

00:34:47.220 There were 10 cities all over Vancouver 20 years ago when they built the

00:34:51.680 Woodward's building.

00:34:52.440 There were 10 cities in Victoria.

00:34:55.300 They were not all over the place.

00:34:56.760 No,

00:34:56.980 there have been 10 cities around for a very long time.

00:34:59.020 There have been,

00:34:59.580 but not to the same level.

00:35:01.020 They proliferated all over the communities.

00:35:03.360 I mean,

00:35:03.520 you just drive down the highway,

00:35:05.040 highway one,

00:35:05.580 you'll see them here and there and everywhere.

00:35:06.940 Now those were not for there seven years ago.

00:35:10.180 Well,

00:35:10.680 that,

00:35:10.820 that,

00:35:11.080 that last portion just in particular reminded me of the,

00:35:13.740 uh,

00:35:14.060 JD Vance's reply to that reporter when they were talking,

00:35:17.220 about,

00:35:17.580 um,

00:35:18.880 the Venezuelan gangs taking over those apartment complexes.

00:35:23.980 And,

00:35:24.440 and,

00:35:24.980 uh,

00:35:25.680 I don't,

00:35:26.100 I don't,

00:35:26.420 I can't remember what state it was,

00:35:27.420 but where,

00:35:30.400 where she was like,

00:35:30.960 it's not,

00:35:31.640 it's not several apartment complexes or something.

00:35:35.420 And he was like,

00:35:35.940 how many apartment complexes being taken over by Venezuelan gangs is acceptable to

00:35:40.940 you?

00:35:41.200 Like,

00:35:41.680 like,

00:35:43.300 sorry,

00:35:43.740 level of increase is.

00:35:46.520 Yeah.

00:35:46.640 Yeah.

00:35:47.340 Like how many Steven Quinn,

00:35:49.020 how many 10 cities are acceptable?

00:35:50.600 And also before that,

00:35:51.880 do you,

00:35:52.200 did you notice how he told on himself a little bit there where,

00:35:55.060 um,

00:35:57.280 excuse me,

00:35:57.760 with save on foods,

00:35:58.540 hiring,

00:35:58.940 uh,

00:36:00.520 345 security guards.

00:36:01.980 Is it because do you think people can't afford to eat?

00:36:04.860 Hmm.

00:36:06.300 Whose job might it be to ensure that people have enough money to afford to eat?

00:36:12.680 Yeah.

00:36:15.560 It's,

00:36:16.060 you,

00:36:16.980 you think there's some ripple effects from the federal,

00:36:20.140 but also provincial and who's in power right now and federally in Canada.

00:36:25.680 And so you have liberals in Canada and then NDP in power in BC.

00:36:32.980 Um,

00:36:33.840 so he kept on interrupting.

00:36:37.200 I must give credit for John Red said for just pushing through.

00:36:40.440 Like he,

00:36:41.040 Oh yeah.

00:36:42.020 He was very,

00:36:42.860 like he,

00:36:43.520 yeah,

00:36:43.860 he knew when to like,

00:36:45.220 some people would,

00:36:46.980 they would just,

00:36:47.960 they would chase those answers and they would try to address everything.

00:36:52.080 He pushed through and tried to finish his points,

00:36:54.320 which were interrupted,

00:36:55.980 but his points stood under their own merits.

00:36:58.880 Therefore,

00:36:59.200 like you don't have to argue every little thing that the host is interrupting,

00:37:03.580 which shouldn't happen.

00:37:06.160 No,

00:37:06.640 it was so adversarial,

00:37:07.760 you know,

00:37:08.020 and that,

00:37:08.240 and that's,

00:37:08.660 that's just so,

00:37:09.560 so,

00:37:10.520 um,

00:37:12.220 it was just so typical now,

00:37:13.560 you know,

00:37:13.900 of this,

00:37:15.560 this type of media environment we're in right now.

00:37:17.600 The host,

00:37:18.780 I can see that like in his mind,

00:37:22.720 he was like,

00:37:23.000 well,

00:37:23.120 I have to correct this misinformation in real time.

00:37:26.520 I can't,

00:37:27.040 you can't let misinformation propagate.

00:37:29.720 And here's like,

00:37:30.800 Oh,

00:37:31.000 we're,

00:37:31.220 we're,

00:37:31.760 we're being balanced by having somebody from the other side on our program,

00:37:36.660 but we can't let them get away with misinformation.

00:37:39.140 And,

00:37:39.740 and in that aspect,

00:37:42.320 I think he feels like it's maybe a moral duty to like,

00:37:46.820 correct him to step in.

00:37:49.340 That's probably true.

00:37:50.460 I mean,

00:37:50.660 that it's probably,

00:37:51.740 it's probably that it's probably also somewhere in his contract where he's,

00:37:57.200 you know,

00:37:57.400 he has to,

00:37:58.140 you know,

00:37:58.920 provide X number of,

00:38:00.740 um,

00:38:02.100 you know,

00:38:02.400 pushbacks against conservative guests or something like that.

00:38:05.180 But also it's,

00:38:06.400 it's,

00:38:06.740 uh,

00:38:06.900 it's very symptomatic of the,

00:38:09.540 something I think we've talked about before where the,

00:38:14.080 the fundamental difference between how,

00:38:16.060 uh,

00:38:16.600 liberals and conservatives view each other,

00:38:18.480 at least in,

00:38:19.160 in the West,

00:38:19.960 you know,

00:38:20.220 maybe in the last,

00:38:20.940 you know,

00:38:21.740 10 to 15 years,

00:38:22.680 uh,

00:38:23.600 in that,

00:38:24.120 but generally speaking,

00:38:26.480 um,

00:38:27.120 conservatives believe that liberals are wrong and liberals believe conservatives are evil.

00:38:32.620 So you can't,

00:38:34.340 if you believe somebody is evil,

00:38:36.100 you can't,

00:38:36.900 uh,

00:38:38.360 you,

00:38:38.620 you can't just disagree with them.

00:38:40.080 You have to,

00:38:40.940 you have to,

00:38:41.880 um,

00:38:43.000 you know,

00:38:43.340 really hammer home how,

00:38:45.640 you know,

00:38:45.940 everything about their worldview is somehow,

00:38:48.220 uh,

00:38:49.320 you know,

00:38:49.700 uh,

00:38:50.060 um,

00:38:50.560 evidence of,

00:38:51.540 uh,

00:38:51.700 of a depraved character or something,

00:38:53.320 something like that,

00:38:54.080 you know?

00:38:55.000 Um,

00:38:55.380 if you're,

00:38:55.980 uh,

00:38:56.000 you know,

00:38:57.260 Rustad was,

00:38:58.060 was excellent in the,

00:38:59.600 in this respect,

00:39:00.200 I think where he was just like,

00:39:01.380 well,

00:39:01.560 here's the things I'm hearing here.

00:39:04.080 Like you can go into these communities and ask these people,

00:39:06.320 and this is what they're telling me.

00:39:07.300 Like,

00:39:07.460 here's the,

00:39:08.800 here's what's happening on the ground.

00:39:10.020 Like where I'm not hiding behind statistics here,

00:39:12.200 you know,

00:39:12.840 like the,

00:39:14.380 like the host is saying,

00:39:15.320 well,

00:39:15.560 the,

00:39:15.700 you know,

00:39:16.080 police will tell you that crimes are down.

00:39:17.640 Well,

00:39:17.940 what does that mean?

00:39:19.180 Like,

00:39:19.540 what does it mean crimes are down?

00:39:20.680 Because any breathing living human who lives in a city can see that,

00:39:24.880 of course,

00:39:25.120 crimes are not down.

00:39:26.560 So is it a,

00:39:27.900 is it a,

00:39:28.520 um,

00:39:29.860 statistical manipulation?

00:39:30.860 Like that,

00:39:31.640 that's,

00:39:32.040 that's more of the point of,

00:39:33.100 of,

00:39:33.400 um,

00:39:33.940 that he was putting across.

00:39:35.160 He was very,

00:39:35.640 very level headed,

00:39:36.380 very,

00:39:37.100 well,

00:39:37.300 you're wrong about this and this is why.

00:39:38.860 And it was not,

00:39:39.640 um,

00:39:40.480 it wasn't preachy and it wasn't,

00:39:42.060 um,

00:39:42.720 you know,

00:39:43.640 uh,

00:39:44.500 dramatic or,

00:39:45.300 you know,

00:39:45.520 dramatized at all.

00:39:46.460 So.

00:39:47.220 Yeah.

00:39:47.380 And,

00:39:47.680 and at no point was John Rudstad attacking the host in the same way.

00:39:52.480 Like he was just saying,

00:39:53.960 here's what we're seeing here.

00:39:55.820 The reasons behind it.

00:39:56.920 And he's exploring those ideas.

00:39:58.880 I,

00:39:59.460 I think with a little bit of the discourse,

00:40:02.060 I think sometimes you will find people claiming maybe on the right,

00:40:08.740 they'll claim that the ideas on the left are evil,

00:40:12.480 but I don't know if as much,

00:40:15.540 if it's directed,

00:40:16.980 if it's directed as much at the individuals.

00:40:22.020 Um,

00:40:22.980 yeah,

00:40:23.320 it's,

00:40:23.640 I think I know what you're saying.

00:40:24.820 It's directed more to,

00:40:25.980 um,

00:40:26.700 more at the ideology itself.

00:40:27.900 The framework behind it,

00:40:29.260 or that allows for like,

00:40:30.640 well,

00:40:30.900 a framework that allows that confuses kids and then gives them drugs to try to fix a problem that is mostly mental.

00:40:40.060 Yeah.

00:40:40.600 Like the,

00:40:41.520 that framework,

00:40:42.820 uh,

00:40:43.900 people would call the framework evil and then people supporting that framework willingly against evidence.

00:40:52.680 Like I,

00:40:53.700 so I've maybe seen a little bit of that,

00:40:55.320 but at the same time,

00:40:56.460 there are those that since the right is getting more and more centered left people who are thrown out of the,

00:41:05.400 like they're thrown out of the club because they have the wrong opinions.

00:41:09.660 The right has to balance out.

00:41:11.820 Well,

00:41:12.800 it's strict.

00:41:14.200 It is strange to think that the right is the welcoming,

00:41:17.800 the open arms party.

00:41:20.560 Like,

00:41:20.700 well,

00:41:21.200 it's the side that's in some respects is accepting of more nuance,

00:41:28.860 more nuanced takes.

00:41:30.120 This isn't always true.

00:41:31.480 Like we,

00:41:32.020 we,

00:41:32.280 you can see some fractionization of the right,

00:41:35.680 but you,

00:41:36.760 you,

00:41:37.140 you'll get some tribalism no matter what.

00:41:39.620 But I think it's true that the left gate keeps,

00:41:46.040 when you look at the woke element,

00:41:49.140 we look at the ideology,

00:41:50.400 we look at the performative virtue signaling that filters out more people.

00:41:55.300 And if you don't do those things,

00:41:56.840 you're not with them.

00:41:58.240 So you can be a little bit left and you're not part of their club.

00:42:01.500 If you don't fit their specific,

00:42:03.960 like if you,

00:42:06.040 maybe you speak up against a land acknowledgement,

00:42:08.700 or maybe you,

00:42:09.860 you're not a fan of pronouns.

00:42:11.460 Those are all rituals that are adopted on the left that will quickly get you thrown out of the club.

00:42:19.380 Yeah.

00:42:19.820 And,

00:42:20.180 and to go back to your,

00:42:21.680 your,

00:42:22.780 your initial comment there,

00:42:23.680 I think probably if I was being more fair,

00:42:25.780 I would say if the left believes that the right is evil in a similar,

00:42:32.080 to use a more emotional language, 1.00

00:42:34.540 probably the right believes that the left is stupid and gullible would probably be the, 1.00

00:42:40.180 the prevailing, 1.00

00:42:41.380 uh,

00:42:43.080 assessment of if,

00:42:44.760 if the left believes that people who are right wing are, 1.00

00:42:46.860 are evil than the right wing would believe that the left are stupid because it's not. 1.00

00:42:52.120 And I think it's, 0.99

00:42:53.640 I think that still is a difference in,

00:42:55.760 even if it's not a difference in kind per se,

00:42:59.460 it's probably a difference in degree because you can be, 1.00

00:43:01.780 if you're stupid and gullible, 1.00

00:43:03.540 that means that you've been deceived by something, 1.00

00:43:06.160 which in this case would be the ideology that permeates the left.

00:43:09.220 That is,

00:43:09.600 is,

00:43:10.260 you know,

00:43:11.000 does prove itself to be very dangerous in various ways.

00:43:13.880 If you're,

00:43:14.540 if you're evil though,

00:43:15.520 then that means that's something fundamentally wrong with your character.

00:43:18.040 Right.

00:43:19.020 Yeah.

00:43:19.400 To believe,

00:43:19.920 to believe thinking,

00:43:21.100 well,

00:43:22.060 we've given you all the right moral things.

00:43:25.440 Here's how you should believe and act.

00:43:27.680 And you've rejected those.

00:43:29.200 Therefore,

00:43:29.400 there's something wrong with your character and there's no reason you should reject

00:43:33.100 them because we've already given you the right things to do.

00:43:35.960 We've decided for you.

00:43:38.000 So it's,

00:43:38.680 it's as simple as that.

00:43:40.420 Yeah.

00:43:40.940 And I,

00:43:41.340 I've brought Dave Smith up before and,

00:43:43.220 and well,

00:43:43.900 we're going to hear from him in a second here,

00:43:45.320 but I was,

00:43:47.220 I was just trying to search for it in the,

00:43:48.740 in the transcript.

00:43:49.440 I don't think it's in this,

00:43:50.980 in this video,

00:43:51.540 it could be a different video,

00:43:52.600 but he talks about a similar thing.

00:43:54.360 Like what you were saying,

00:43:55.140 like how,

00:43:55.580 how odd it is that the right is now the,

00:43:58.040 the party of essentially the party of inclusion now,

00:44:01.040 like taking in all these disaffected liberals.

00:44:03.600 Uh,

00:44:04.240 he,

00:44:04.640 he talks about how,

00:44:05.560 like if it like,

00:44:09.420 yeah,

00:44:09.860 I remember the episode now it was one,

00:44:11.640 just,

00:44:11.900 just a day or two ago.

00:44:13.700 Um,

00:44:14.780 he was saying like,

00:44:15.900 if Donald Trump loses this election,

00:44:19.140 it will,

00:44:20.880 it will mark.

00:44:22.140 And he,

00:44:22.860 and he wasn't making any like,

00:44:24.220 you know,

00:44:24.880 Donald Trump should win or Kamala Harris should win anything like that. 1.00

00:44:28.180 He was just saying it would mark in his opinion,

00:44:30.720 the final inversion of from the early two thousands Bush Republicans to what we see now in,

00:44:40.320 in the,

00:44:40.880 in,

00:44:41.160 you know,

00:44:41.380 25 years later,

00:44:42.400 almost in,

00:44:43.220 in American politics where the,

00:44:45.980 the party of the three letter agencies and extreme government media narrative control and very,

00:44:53.540 um,

00:44:55.400 just the,

00:44:56.580 uh,

00:44:57.280 the most establishment that you can get.

00:45:00.720 Has switched entirely from Republicans to like this,

00:45:04.760 that will be the delineation.

00:45:06.100 And,

00:45:06.540 and he,

00:45:07.020 and he thinks that will,

00:45:08.220 he figures that'll,

00:45:09.900 that'll color American politics for the rest of the century because it's such an odd time to live in,

00:45:14.940 isn't it?

00:45:15.240 Where we,

00:45:15.680 where we find the,

00:45:16.640 the,

00:45:17.440 um,

00:45:17.660 the dissidents and the,

00:45:19.320 um,

00:45:19.720 the political outcasts being the,

00:45:21.940 the conservative,

00:45:22.860 uh,

00:45:23.900 side of the aisle rather than,

00:45:25.280 you know,

00:45:26.440 traditionally what you'd see in,

00:45:27.900 in,

00:45:28.700 I don't know.

00:45:29.080 I mean,

00:45:29.480 at least since I've been alive,

00:45:30.660 but probably for,

00:45:32.020 for many decades before that,

00:45:33.540 it's,

00:45:33.720 it's never been like that.

00:45:36.140 Yeah.

00:45:36.620 And which party was,

00:45:39.740 uh,

00:45:39.800 well,

00:45:40.000 we've already seen flips in the past,

00:45:41.680 which party was the party of,

00:45:43.320 uh,

00:45:43.600 keeping slaves.

00:45:45.020 That's right.

00:45:45.660 So it was the Democrats as well,

00:45:46.920 wasn't it?

00:45:47.320 Yeah.

00:45:47.820 So that,

00:45:48.760 that is flipped.

00:45:49.440 And then,

00:45:50.220 but people,

00:45:52.700 you ask the average,

00:45:55.300 we don't talk about that.

00:45:56.640 They,

00:45:57.080 they don't think they,

00:45:59.780 they don't think that's the case.

00:46:00.760 They're like,

00:46:01.180 well,

00:46:01.740 they're like,

00:46:03.100 well,

00:46:03.280 yeah,

00:46:03.440 but it wasn't really like,

00:46:05.540 well,

00:46:05.720 that was the party back then.

00:46:08.600 Did they paint the picture?

00:46:10.160 Yeah.

00:46:10.320 Like they painted the picture that it was Republicans the whole time.

00:46:13.920 And that was the reason,

00:46:15.720 like they're just continuing a,

00:46:18.580 a hooded,

00:46:19.780 a white hooded vibes from 200 years ago.

00:46:24.020 Like,

00:46:24.840 yeah.

00:46:25.940 Yeah.

00:46:26.160 So,

00:46:26.500 um,

00:46:27.440 these flips do happen,

00:46:28.840 but it is strange to see when you have it,

00:46:35.280 it,

00:46:35.480 it does come to be like an issue of like,

00:46:40.200 establishment versus non-establishment.

00:46:43.500 And in this case,

00:46:47.180 Donald Trump is saying,

00:46:48.820 well,

00:46:49.360 he's going to do his own thing.

00:46:50.560 So he is in some respect,

00:46:53.440 anti-establishment.

00:46:54.580 There are some libertarians and others who will say,

00:46:57.100 well,

00:46:57.380 he's not anti-establishment enough.

00:46:59.660 Like he's on certain issues.

00:47:02.060 He's still,

00:47:03.340 still not really going his own way,

00:47:07.280 or he's still not pushing back in the way that,

00:47:09.700 he should.

00:47:10.920 And you're finding the same in Canada as well.

00:47:13.180 Like,

00:47:13.540 well,

00:47:13.900 there are different degrees of that.

00:47:16.380 And I,

00:47:16.600 I think.

00:47:18.160 There are some things that no matter what party you're from,

00:47:20.520 you just,

00:47:21.020 it's not a,

00:47:22.420 you're not allowed to have a dissenting opinion on.

00:47:25.740 Yeah.

00:47:26.140 So in,

00:47:26.960 in Canada,

00:47:27.560 you may still have the conservatives being a little bit of like the liberal

00:47:32.280 light,

00:47:32.980 like a light version of the liberal on some issues where they've pushed back

00:47:38.440 on some things hard.

00:47:39.420 And then we're still waiting for them to like push back on certain other

00:47:43.580 fundamental issues.

00:47:46.140 Which I don't,

00:47:48.820 I don't know.

00:47:49.300 Like if you have both parties playing safe on certain issues,

00:47:52.840 then you basically just,

00:47:56.020 that one issue is not going to change.

00:47:58.400 Yeah.

00:47:58.640 I'll be curious to see when,

00:48:00.700 when the conservatives form their majority,

00:48:03.620 I'll be curious to see what,

00:48:05.460 um,

00:48:07.020 the extent of what Polyev truly believes,

00:48:10.000 you know,

00:48:10.180 that he's been,

00:48:11.060 I mean,

00:48:11.300 he's,

00:48:11.520 he's a fairly open book,

00:48:12.660 I think historically,

00:48:13.460 and he's been,

00:48:14.120 you know,

00:48:15.180 very outspoken over the years.

00:48:16.400 He has sort of buttoned down a little bit since he's become leader.

00:48:20.540 I think to not,

00:48:21.520 um,

00:48:22.620 you know,

00:48:22.860 I think he ruffles enough feathers just naturally how he is.

00:48:26.720 I don't think he has to,

00:48:27.600 you know,

00:48:28.580 go out of his way,

00:48:29.480 but I'd be curious to the,

00:48:31.520 uh,

00:48:31.720 the extent that he is,

00:48:32.800 uh, 0.98

00:48:34.560 itching to undo a decade of shitty policy. 0.96

00:48:41.080 Yeah.

00:48:41.720 So I guess in these cases,

00:48:43.980 you're still dealing with a party and maybe the question is how much should

00:48:50.400 Polyev and the conservatives try to play up and look as appealing to the

00:48:57.920 most compromised,

00:49:00.320 most leftist,

00:49:01.600 most woke voter in the same way that like,

00:49:05.340 is Donald Trump trying to convince these white guys for Harris?

00:49:09.880 Like these,

00:49:10.960 like the,

00:49:11.880 the dudes that are fully on the train,

00:49:13.520 like they're,

00:49:15.000 they're on the bandwagon.

00:49:16.360 They have full trust in the media and they're living in a way that's

00:49:20.400 in a completely different world.

00:49:21.680 So in these cases,

00:49:23.380 do you just play to your principles or do you try to convince the people who

00:49:27.920 already hate you and they're still going to hate you?

00:49:31.420 You're probably not going to convince them just by like pandering.

00:49:36.440 So there,

00:49:37.220 that's always a balance to play of like,

00:49:38.800 well,

00:49:39.140 the most extremes will always alienate people being somewhere in the middle.

00:49:45.680 You'll capture a wider net,

00:49:48.080 but if you compromise fundamental principles,

00:49:51.180 then the people that are fundamentally your base,

00:49:54.480 some of them will lose respect if,

00:49:56.980 if that comes at the expense of,

00:49:58.380 of principles and that's a risk in Canada and the U S.

00:50:02.760 Well,

00:50:03.260 then that's pretty recent history in Canada too.

00:50:05.240 That that's what lost Aaron O'Toole,

00:50:07.000 the,

00:50:07.300 the election,

00:50:08.200 I think in 2021,

00:50:09.000 because he kind of at the last minute there flip flopped on,

00:50:12.260 on a couple of things.

00:50:13.260 No,

00:50:13.420 most known,

00:50:14.060 most notably the,

00:50:15.280 um,

00:50:16.500 um,

00:50:17.520 uh,

00:50:17.880 gun laws.

00:50:19.720 They,

00:50:20.260 they got him so good on the gun laws.

00:50:22.220 He just fell right,

00:50:23.540 fell right into the,

00:50:24.620 into the media narrative and the can't do that.

00:50:27.560 You know,

00:50:28.080 especially in,

00:50:28.860 you know,

00:50:29.200 West of West of center,

00:50:30.980 basically that's a,

00:50:31.960 that's a pretty,

00:50:32.800 that's a pretty sacred,

00:50:33.820 uh,

00:50:34.700 thing that you don't,

00:50:35.900 you don't touch if you're a conservative,

00:50:37.280 uh,

00:50:38.580 leader.

00:50:39.560 And I think that,

00:50:40.580 I think probably,

00:50:41.680 I don't know if it's,

00:50:42.440 you know,

00:50:42.880 confirmed that that's what it was,

00:50:44.520 but that,

00:50:45.000 that I,

00:50:45.660 I'm,

00:50:45.880 I'm very sure it was,

00:50:46.900 was a big nail in his coffin for why he didn't,

00:50:49.080 he didn't quite get over the,

00:50:50.280 the edge.

00:50:51.560 Wasn't helping.

00:50:53.140 No.

00:50:53.760 And,

00:50:54.500 uh,

00:50:54.900 so on that note,

00:50:56.140 uh,

00:50:56.500 why don't we,

00:50:57.220 um,

00:50:57.520 listen to,

00:50:58.240 uh,

00:50:58.720 Dave Smith talk about why,

00:51:00.500 uh,

00:51:00.800 no one trusts the media anymore just to put a final,

00:51:03.800 just to put a bow on nail in the coffin.

00:51:05.640 Yeah.

00:51:05.900 Yeah.

00:51:06.160 Yeah.

00:51:07.280 I saw a poll yesterday that I think was the most important poll that I've seen in this,

00:51:14.220 uh,

00:51:14.760 presidential election cycle.

00:51:16.740 Um,

00:51:17.300 it was done by Gallup and it had nothing to do with the presidential election.

00:51:23.120 I think it's far more important than whether Trump's up or Kamala Harris is up,

00:51:27.820 but,

00:51:28.600 um,

00:51:29.960 uh,

00:51:30.660 Gallup,

00:51:31.480 uh,

00:51:31.800 just did a poll on Americans trust in media.

00:51:36.600 Now they've been keeping track of these numbers since 1972 and the latest one for 2024 just came out.

00:51:45.300 And it's pretty,

00:51:46.220 uh,

00:51:46.940 remarkable.

00:51:47.580 Um,

00:51:49.160 so just,

00:51:49.860 uh,

00:51:50.160 uh,

00:51:50.320 to look at this,

00:51:50.920 the,

00:51:51.120 the percentage of Americans,

00:51:54.120 um,

00:51:55.820 who say that they have,

00:51:57.440 um,

00:51:58.480 when they ask how much trust,

00:52:00.560 uh,

00:52:01.320 and confident do you have in mass media such as newspapers,

00:52:04.680 TV,

00:52:04.900 and radio.

00:52:05.460 So they're,

00:52:06.420 they're asking about the corporate media as we call it.

00:52:09.000 Um,

00:52:09.440 what's often been dubbed the mainstream media or the lamestream media.

00:52:14.600 If you're a cool Republican boomer.

00:52:17.620 Um,

00:52:18.220 but the percentage of people who say they have none at all,

00:52:22.680 no trust in media whatsoever.

00:52:26.040 When I was born in 1983,

00:52:29.120 it was around 7%,

00:52:32.720 around 7% of the population said,

00:52:36.820 I have no trust in the corporate media whatsoever in 1983,

00:52:41.340 the year I was born.

00:52:43.020 Uh,

00:52:43.680 today the number is 36% with,

00:52:47.740 um,

00:52:48.720 33% saying they have not very much,

00:52:53.320 not very much.

00:52:54.700 So,

00:52:55.220 uh,

00:52:56.160 Trump English now.

00:52:58.900 Yeah,

00:52:59.600 I guess.

00:53:00.160 But the,

00:53:01.020 the point is that,

00:53:02.160 um,

00:53:02.960 69% about 70% of the,

00:53:08.400 uh,

00:53:08.940 of the American people say they either have,

00:53:11.320 not very much trust in the corporate media or none whatsoever.

00:53:16.280 I just think that's so great.

00:53:18.980 I just think it's like,

00:53:19.840 so it's the,

00:53:21.160 the,

00:53:21.600 there is a super majority consensus in the country right now that the

00:53:27.660 corporate media is not to be trusted.

00:53:30.720 And that,

00:53:31.820 that alone,

00:53:33.380 I just like,

00:53:34.580 I don't see how you could possibly not like how you could,

00:53:39.000 you could be pessimistic in the face of that,

00:53:41.620 where you have this,

00:53:42.860 like the corrupt regime has had a monopoly on information for my entire

00:53:47.720 lifetime until they lost it really in the last decade.

00:53:50.900 And now the,

00:53:52.400 the trust has evaporated.

00:53:55.120 Now,

00:53:55.860 you know,

00:53:56.440 I don't know.

00:53:56.920 We're very far from getting a super majority consensus in the United States of America

00:54:02.620 that we should have sound money or that we should have balanced budgets or that we should

00:54:08.300 have deregulation or that we should have,

00:54:10.420 you know,

00:54:10.960 uh,

00:54:11.220 drastic cuts and spending or taxes or any of these great things that we'd love to see.

00:54:15.860 But what a great place to start that at least we do have a super majority consensus that the people 1.00

00:54:23.940 who work in the corporate media are fucking liars who are not to be trusted. 0.99

00:54:29.120 I think that's a great starting point. 1.00

00:54:32.360 Yeah.

00:54:33.080 If,

00:54:33.660 if that's your starting point,

00:54:35.120 then that means less of these bad ideas are going to go unchecked.

00:54:39.580 If people are questioning where that's coming from or just not just blindly taking things for granted

00:54:47.460 and just like parroting what they hear.

00:54:51.740 I don't,

00:54:52.620 I would be curious if we have any of the same numbers in Canada.

00:54:56.420 Cause I,

00:54:56.940 I feel like it's not the same in Canada and no talking with friends and family.

00:55:02.280 It's,

00:55:02.880 it depends on what issues you talk to them about.

00:55:06.200 Cause certain issues,

00:55:08.020 they may have like a very balanced and nuanced perspective.

00:55:12.720 And then you ask them something about gender and they have the craziest ideas.

00:55:17.320 Or healthcare or something.

00:55:19.040 Yeah.

00:55:19.580 Yeah.

00:55:20.060 Anything that we've built a,

00:55:21.680 you know,

00:55:21.900 a national identity around is,

00:55:23.580 is pretty,

00:55:24.720 pretty.

00:55:25.580 Yeah.

00:55:25.860 So it depends on,

00:55:28.520 this is where like,

00:55:29.220 if you,

00:55:29.840 if you're in conversation and you like can find where you do,

00:55:35.600 where they are questioning things,

00:55:37.700 or maybe they have a mistrust in the apparatus.

00:55:40.300 A lot of people will say they don't trust corporations and corporations become corrupt over

00:55:47.520 time because look at the power dynamics.

00:55:50.260 People just want more power and they'll just grow and they'll just take more power and they're

00:55:56.180 fundamentally corrupt.

00:55:57.640 Yeah.

00:55:58.160 And then they think government or the media are immune to the same problem,

00:56:05.020 but they're just,

00:56:06.160 they're just different types of corporations.

00:56:09.240 I've had this exact conversation with some of my family too.

00:56:11.960 It's like,

00:56:12.320 I need you for a second just to think of,

00:56:15.540 envision the government as a giant company.

00:56:19.660 And then you're getting close to,

00:56:22.000 you might,

00:56:22.740 you're getting to it like a 10th of a percent of how corrupt it is.

00:56:27.400 Imagine the government is Walmart corporate head office,

00:56:30.220 you know,

00:56:30.540 like it's,

00:56:32.440 yeah,

00:56:32.680 the,

00:56:33.000 we,

00:56:33.180 we,

00:56:33.540 we've talked about this before,

00:56:35.780 you know,

00:56:35.960 this is not my idea.

00:56:36.880 This is,

00:56:37.260 this is Jordan Peterson's statement basically about how we've been in Canada.

00:56:43.440 We've been tip,

00:56:44.320 you know,

00:56:44.880 we we've been spoiled for a number of years with a relatively,

00:56:47.740 uh,

00:56:49.340 you know,

00:56:49.700 a high trust media that has been born primarily out of the,

00:56:53.860 um,

00:56:55.820 then the good faith kind of compromising that is necessary in a country that had

00:57:02.240 spent a significant portion of the sixties and seventies,

00:57:05.400 um,

00:57:07.360 trying to keep the country together with,

00:57:09.460 uh,

00:57:10.140 Quebec separatism,

00:57:11.220 right?

00:57:11.460 I think that was sixties and seventies is when it was really quite contentious.

00:57:15.900 And since then,

00:57:17.420 you know,

00:57:17.680 that sort of,

00:57:18.320 um,

00:57:18.800 built,

00:57:19.360 uh,

00:57:19.820 you know,

00:57:20.980 through various factors,

00:57:21.920 built a media apparatus that was,

00:57:23.480 um,

00:57:25.720 relatively forthright in its,

00:57:27.580 in its reporting.

00:57:28.500 And,

00:57:28.780 and it was,

00:57:29.380 you know,

00:57:29.580 it was considered,

00:57:30.380 you know,

00:57:30.640 that was sort of a cornerstone of,

00:57:31.980 of Canadiano.

00:57:34.760 You know,

00:57:34.940 we have a,

00:57:36.100 you know,

00:57:36.300 we're,

00:57:36.560 we're a reasonable people.

00:57:38.060 We get along generally and we,

00:57:40.140 you know,

00:57:40.380 we try and,

00:57:41.140 see the best in our neighbor and we try to,

00:57:43.720 you know,

00:57:43.900 like,

00:57:44.260 you know,

00:57:44.900 things like that.

00:57:45.500 That's how we develop a reputation across the world of being,

00:57:48.160 oh,

00:57:48.280 you know,

00:57:48.480 we're the polite Canadians.

00:57:49.560 Right.

00:57:50.500 But that's,

00:57:51.620 um,

00:57:52.900 that's long gone.

00:57:53.860 That hasn't been,

00:57:55.480 that hasn't been the case in a long time.

00:57:57.620 If anything,

00:57:58.280 you have two things that are either happening,

00:58:01.100 you have suicidal empathy where you have being too nice to a point that

00:58:05.480 you're letting terrible things happen and people don't have the backbone to

00:58:09.380 stand up or you have just targeted hate towards certain groups.

00:58:17.900 So with our DEI environment in Canada is very much woke in that respect.

00:58:24.040 There's hatred towards men.

00:58:26.920 Anybody who's kind of white,

00:58:30.180 that, 0.99

00:58:30.680 that umbrella is widening because they need more people to hate.

00:58:33.880 So,

00:58:34.080 um,

00:58:34.900 Mike, 0.98

00:58:35.200 you may be too white. 1.00

00:58:36.480 You're too much of a man and you're too white and you're too straight. 0.99

00:58:40.720 Therefore you are an oppressor in three dynamics. 0.99

00:58:43.660 Yeah.

00:58:44.200 I,

00:58:44.500 yeah,

00:58:44.720 I,

00:58:45.120 I have heard actually that, 0.57

00:58:46.500 that gay men are actually no, 0.96

00:58:47.940 no longer even considered oppressed.

00:58:49.840 Like they don't,

00:58:50.760 they don't count anymore.

00:58:51.780 They're not,

00:58:52.720 they don't get the,

00:58:53.580 uh,

00:58:54.540 any sort of oppression points for that. 0.74

00:58:56.500 Yeah.

00:58:56.880 So it's,

00:58:58.360 you get moved around to these,

00:58:59.740 these dynamics,

00:59:01.120 but so in our tolerant,

00:59:04.740 compassionate Canadian society,

00:59:07.260 there's a lot of hate and there's a lot of demonization of groups based on these identity markers.

00:59:14.160 So we've,

00:59:15.460 we've,

00:59:15.880 this is a far,

00:59:17.280 I don't know.

00:59:19.000 It's hard to like know the level of hate and like disdain that people have,

00:59:23.800 but I feel like your national identity gets watered down when you have leaders that say,

00:59:29.160 well,

00:59:29.860 you know,

00:59:31.120 like there's no Canadian culture or there's nothing special about Canada.

00:59:35.880 And when you have,

00:59:38.240 when you're replacing your population,

00:59:41.220 like basically doubling your population over however,

00:59:44.580 every,

00:59:45.100 every 10 years,

00:59:46.940 we're like,

00:59:47.940 we're on track to double it.

00:59:49.360 I think every 10 years that number may vary,

00:59:52.200 but it also depends on the exact number of immigrants versus permanent residents versus students,

01:00:00.520 versus how many get in that way.

01:00:02.920 And if there's no push to assimilate,

01:00:07.420 if there's no push to adopt the values that were here before,

01:00:13.020 or if we hate what Canada was founded on,

01:00:16.860 then what is our national identity other than just pockets of other countries and other cultures that get implanted into here?

01:00:28.640 So we're not setting ourselves up to have any unified identity.

01:00:33.980 And I think that there are certain political ideologies that,

01:00:38.560 well,

01:00:39.120 they find that's a advantage.

01:00:40.880 The lack of unity is an advantage.

01:00:43.700 And I feel like,

01:00:45.820 well,

01:00:46.220 if anything,

01:00:47.180 they're unifying by creating an us versus them,

01:00:50.300 almost like a,

01:00:51.800 well,

01:00:52.260 if you're looking at the oppression dynamics,

01:00:54.240 you just blame it on the oppressors.

01:00:55.840 And that's whoever fits conveniently.

01:00:58.940 Well,

01:00:59.680 if somebody,

01:01:00.200 if a prior person was prior elected official a hundred years ago,

01:01:06.680 there are colonizers.

01:01:07.860 So we don't have to,

01:01:08.540 we can throw down their statue.

01:01:11.200 We don't have to,

01:01:11.900 we don't have to respect anything they stood for.

01:01:14.940 Therefore their values get watered down.

01:01:16.740 Or if somebody's,

01:01:19.720 if they're part of this,

01:01:21.540 if they're a straight male,

01:01:22.940 then they're an oppressor and you can direct hate.

01:01:27.780 You can still have a unity for people who benefit.

01:01:32.120 You can still have a unity on the,

01:01:34.080 on these other dynamics.

01:01:35.340 And I think we're seeing this from the left and we're seeing these in the,

01:01:39.340 these elections, 0.94

01:01:40.060 you're seeing the label of racist trolls, 0.98

01:01:45.900 anti-vaxxers. 0.55

01:01:46.960 These are just new ways to hate and they unify people over hate rather than an

01:01:51.420 actual understanding of issues.

01:01:53.520 Hmm.

01:01:54.120 Yes.

01:01:54.640 And it's very,

01:01:55.740 and this is,

01:01:56.580 you know,

01:01:57.180 perhaps a podcast for another time,

01:01:59.060 but it's very religious in nature.

01:02:01.220 I find it's very,

01:02:02.400 um,

01:02:04.060 um,

01:02:04.640 this is what religions have typically done to separate to,

01:02:09.720 to,

01:02:10.200 to,

01:02:10.440 to the second time I'm going to use the word delineate in the last few

01:02:13.700 minutes.

01:02:14.020 Great word,

01:02:14.480 right?

01:02:14.880 To delineate between,

01:02:16.260 you know,

01:02:17.100 the in group and the out group,

01:02:18.380 you know,

01:02:18.620 you're,

01:02:18.920 you're either like us or you're not like us.

01:02:20.460 And that's somewhat goes back to,

01:02:22.620 to my previous point of,

01:02:24.200 um,

01:02:25.620 you know,

01:02:26.100 you get a reputation for the,

01:02:27.500 you know,

01:02:27.640 the,

01:02:27.780 the polite Canadian and,

01:02:29.040 you know,

01:02:29.140 we're,

01:02:29.440 you know,

01:02:29.580 that's how we're known across the world.

01:02:30.720 But,

01:02:31.200 but actually when you,

01:02:32.180 when you,

01:02:32.720 when you actually look at what,

01:02:35.660 like what that means,

01:02:36.580 it's,

01:02:36.900 it's not actually politeness.

01:02:38.460 A lot of the time,

01:02:39.420 what it is,

01:02:39.760 is passive aggressiveness,

01:02:41.460 passive aggression.

01:02:42.900 Um,

01:02:43.260 and,

01:02:43.560 and there's a,

01:02:44.280 there's sort of an accepted way of like,

01:02:46.340 it's,

01:02:47.400 it's pathologized in a way where it's like,

01:02:49.400 basically it's demanded of you to be tolerant and inclusive or else you're not going to be tolerated or included.

01:02:58.020 So it's,

01:02:59.460 it's sort of,

01:03:00.140 um,

01:03:00.780 it's not real inclusion.

01:03:02.500 It's a,

01:03:03.140 it's a,

01:03:03.540 it's a sort of like how,

01:03:05.020 I don't know,

01:03:06.540 sort of a cult mentality sort of,

01:03:08.360 of,

01:03:08.540 um,

01:03:09.920 uh,

01:03:10.260 I gotta,

01:03:10.820 I gotta,

01:03:11.400 I gotta form my idea a little bit,

01:03:13.080 a little bit better before I think,

01:03:14.520 before I say this,

01:03:15.360 but like,

01:03:16.380 it's,

01:03:16.800 um,

01:03:17.560 it's an identity without a,

01:03:20.240 without a basis,

01:03:21.540 you know,

01:03:22.380 it's a,

01:03:22.840 it's just,

01:03:23.360 it's,

01:03:23.580 it's defined by what it's against more than,

01:03:26.120 than what it represents.

01:03:27.260 Do you know what I'm saying?

01:03:28.580 It's almost a performative inclusion.

01:03:32.100 It's,

01:03:32.620 you're saying you're including,

01:03:34.540 like you're inclusive within a certain defined framework.

01:03:40.300 Yeah.

01:03:40.640 And if somebody doesn't fit that framework,

01:03:42.820 they're excluded because they're not inclusive enough.

01:03:45.380 That's right.

01:03:45.860 That's right.

01:03:46.340 Yeah.

01:03:46.540 It's,

01:03:46.720 it's sort of,

01:03:47.460 it's,

01:03:47.820 it's self-limiting like that.

01:03:49.220 And it,

01:03:49.500 and it's,

01:03:49.940 it's very,

01:03:50.580 um,

01:03:52.060 yeah,

01:03:52.440 it,

01:03:52.620 it's typically what it boils down to is,

01:03:55.540 you know,

01:03:55.780 the exact things that you've,

01:03:57.060 that you were mentioning,

01:03:57.740 you know,

01:03:57.860 you know,

01:03:58.140 you know,

01:03:58.600 race,

01:03:58.980 sexuality,

01:04:00.200 uh,

01:04:00.660 uh,

01:04:01.120 gender identity,

01:04:02.620 um,

01:04:03.580 you know,

01:04:04.000 these are what the,

01:04:06.840 the actual inclusiveness,

01:04:08.440 quote unquote,

01:04:08.860 that they want,

01:04:09.680 is,

01:04:10.220 um,

01:04:10.880 people who their most obvious physical attributes are varied,

01:04:15.520 but the things that they believe are in lockstep.

01:04:19.300 They just want people who look different to believe and talk about and say, 0.99

01:04:23.340 and preach the same thing.

01:04:24.320 So it's,

01:04:24.720 that's not,

01:04:25.280 that's not the type of diversity.

01:04:27.080 I don't think that,

01:04:28.020 uh,

01:04:29.160 is,

01:04:29.640 uh,

01:04:30.160 is robust in the longterm.

01:04:31.580 It's just a,

01:04:32.480 it's exactly like you said,

01:04:33.560 it's performative.

01:04:34.360 It's,

01:04:34.660 Hey,

01:04:34.740 look,

01:04:35.100 look at this group of diverse people.

01:04:36.400 We all believe and think exactly the same,

01:04:39.240 but boy,

01:04:40.180 do we look different.

01:04:40.960 And that person's in a wheelchair and that person's a, 0.99

01:04:44.100 you know,

01:04:44.740 is an immigrant.

01:04:45.520 And that person has a burqa or a turban on. 0.77

01:04:49.080 And like how,

01:04:50.120 look how inclusive we are.

01:04:52.120 Yeah.

01:04:52.680 It's superficial versus actual intellectual differences.

01:04:57.120 And this is where I'm always curious on like,

01:05:01.920 if you can observe politicians or any political commenters wrestle with ideas that they don't like,

01:05:10.480 or they don't agree with,

01:05:11.920 or if somebody says something and if you could watch somebody in real time,

01:05:16.300 explore that idea under its own merits,

01:05:19.020 rather than I was told that was the wrong idea.

01:05:23.000 That's the difference.

01:05:23.960 It's like dogmatic thinking is that's a no go zone.

01:05:28.560 We can't even like,

01:05:30.140 can't even think about that.

01:05:33.240 Therefore it's bad.

01:05:34.360 And you're just going to shut it out versus somebody who say,

01:05:37.120 well,

01:05:38.040 okay,

01:05:38.520 what do you mean by that?

01:05:39.880 Or let's unpack that.

01:05:40.980 Or,

01:05:41.940 okay,

01:05:42.180 that may be true in this way,

01:05:44.280 but here's where I disagree.

01:05:46.000 There's like a whole other range of discourse and you can tell where it's healthy disagreements versus dogmatic disagreements.

01:05:54.960 And we want the healthy disagreements to flourish.

01:05:59.260 Yeah.

01:05:59.940 And,

01:06:00.060 and maybe,

01:06:01.040 I know we're sort of straying here,

01:06:02.380 but it reminds me of,

01:06:04.500 uh,

01:06:04.700 we were,

01:06:05.560 I don't know if it was you and me or if it was,

01:06:07.460 uh,

01:06:08.180 I was having this debate discussion somewhere else.

01:06:11.180 Maybe we've even talked about it on the show.

01:06:12.840 I can't remember anything these days.

01:06:15.360 Um,

01:06:16.680 about how,

01:06:17.640 uh,

01:06:18.220 the,

01:06:18.440 the,

01:06:18.700 uh,

01:06:18.860 liberals,

01:06:19.300 national food,

01:06:20.200 uh,

01:06:20.400 school food program,

01:06:21.440 you know,

01:06:22.000 no one is on the opposite side of the argument.

01:06:25.860 Uh,

01:06:26.460 we want children to be fed.

01:06:27.860 The only difference is in who should be doing the feeding.

01:06:33.520 Perhaps you are,

01:06:34.400 if you're a,

01:06:34.960 if you're a liberal,

01:06:36.060 you believe,

01:06:36.660 or in,

01:06:36.920 and you're in favor of a national school food program,

01:06:39.280 perhaps you believe that,

01:06:41.060 well,

01:06:41.420 school should be feeding kids because, 0.99

01:06:43.900 you know,

01:06:44.060 not all kids,

01:06:44.880 you know,

01:06:45.140 have proper nutritious food at home.

01:06:47.100 They don't,

01:06:47.500 you know,

01:06:47.800 maybe they don't,

01:06:48.820 uh,

01:06:49.280 not getting,

01:06:49.880 you know,

01:06:50.060 three squares a day.

01:06:51.360 Uh,

01:06:51.940 and then if you're on the other side of that argument,

01:06:54.980 maybe you're identifying as a conservative and maybe you think,

01:06:57.480 well,

01:06:58.460 instead,

01:06:59.080 why don't we create an economic environment that ensures that families are allowed to 0.99

01:07:04.340 feel,

01:07:04.740 to feed their kids themselves and aren't relying on a government program to do it?

01:07:09.800 Because regardless of where you are in that argument,

01:07:11.940 I think that it's,

01:07:13.980 it's pretty uncontroversial to understand that,

01:07:17.480 uh,

01:07:18.300 if the government provides you a,

01:07:20.860 service,

01:07:21.360 then that means that they can also take that service away.

01:07:25.440 If a budgetary cut happens here or a,

01:07:29.080 you know,

01:07:29.300 a shift in priorities happens there.

01:07:31.300 So what you do when you create,

01:07:34.120 let's just,

01:07:34.780 you say a national food program is if you create a national food program and you

01:07:39.360 make children reliable on that,

01:07:42.060 um,

01:07:42.640 uh,

01:07:42.820 reliant on that,

01:07:43.880 and then it goes away.

01:07:45.880 Well,

01:07:46.320 then you've created a bigger problem than you had at the beginning before that

01:07:49.420 program was already,

01:07:50.360 what was even instituted.

01:07:52.040 So yeah,

01:07:53.420 it's not a,

01:07:54.080 it's when you,

01:07:55.360 when you actually get to the root of,

01:07:56.920 of these issues,

01:07:57.940 like you say,

01:07:58.640 most people don't actually agree.

01:08:00.920 Most people don't actually disagree on the fundamental issues.

01:08:04.400 Should children have good nutritious food?

01:08:07.160 Yes.

01:08:08.720 Uncontroversially,

01:08:09.260 of course.

01:08:09.940 It's just a mean,

01:08:10.940 it's just a matter of,

01:08:11.720 of the means of how we do that.

01:08:13.720 They,

01:08:13.860 they've defined the problem,

01:08:15.820 but they haven't defined the root cause.

01:08:19.140 That's the difference.

01:08:20.500 Yeah.

01:08:20.600 Yeah.

01:08:20.680 Because people,

01:08:21.600 people say,

01:08:22.040 well,

01:08:22.140 there are kids that are hungry and they,

01:08:24.360 those kids need to eat. 0.99

01:08:26.560 Everybody can agree on that.

01:08:28.380 The solution is the disagreement,

01:08:31.200 but partially because nobody talks about the root cause.

01:08:35.160 And we're like,

01:08:35.400 well,

01:08:36.260 the root cause being like you mentioned an environment where an economic

01:08:41.040 environment where people are struggling and they don't have enough money

01:08:43.720 and rising food costs and inflation.

01:08:46.520 That would be the root cause of why this program is necessary.

01:08:50.120 And then in this case,

01:08:51.780 people that haven't trusted the ability,

01:08:56.860 the government in other cases who,

01:08:59.920 well,

01:09:00.660 even they say like,

01:09:01.520 well,

01:09:01.700 the conservatives failed at this or the NDP failed at that.

01:09:04.740 And the liberals failed at this are now thinking like,

01:09:08.940 yeah,

01:09:09.620 but they're going to do a great job on this food program.

01:09:12.000 This time they're good.

01:09:13.220 This time they're really going to nail it.

01:09:14.720 Yeah.

01:09:14.920 Like whatever they do this time,

01:09:16.640 it's going to be,

01:09:17.420 it's going to be,

01:09:18.180 it's going to be cheap and effective and like,

01:09:22.800 yeah.

01:09:23.320 And it's going to be robust that it'll survive any shifts in the political

01:09:29.000 environment.

01:09:29.420 So yeah.

01:09:31.720 Well,

01:09:32.160 the answer is always,

01:09:33.140 if you're on a certain side of the,

01:09:35.420 of the political aisle,

01:09:36.400 the answer always seems to be,

01:09:37.740 uh,

01:09:38.900 let's,

01:09:39.460 let's make a government program for that.

01:09:42.860 But anyway,

01:09:44.260 I think that's,

01:09:45.280 uh,

01:09:45.920 we'll get some good clips out of that discussion.

01:09:47.940 I don't know how,

01:09:48.620 how,

01:09:48.980 how we got there from,

01:09:50.060 uh,

01:09:50.620 from,

01:09:51.040 uh,

01:09:51.640 election interference and,

01:09:53.200 uh,

01:09:53.700 and the media,

01:09:54.400 but just unpacking ideas in real time.

01:09:56.460 That's how we get there.

01:09:57.580 So that's good.

01:09:59.140 We're good at that.

01:10:00.760 Well,

01:10:01.360 thanks a lot,

01:10:02.400 James,

01:10:02.620 as always,

01:10:03.020 man.

01:10:03.300 Yeah.

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The Critical Compass Podcast - November 06, 2024

Election Interference & the Uphill Battle of Conservatives vs. the Corporate Press

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