The Critical Compass Podcast - FIGHT： The Heated Debate over Alberta's Independence

00:00:00.000 hello everyone thank you so much for joining us for this live debate between troy westwood and

00:00:12.080 marty up north um you might have seen some of their content online i my name is rachel parker

00:00:17.040 i'm the host of rachel parker on youtube a well-known independent journalist in the canada

00:00:23.200 and alberta independent media ecosystem and my co-host today is james from the critical compass

00:00:29.520 so yeah we're gonna have a great debate here um james why don't you start off by introducing

00:00:35.760 our opponents yeah i'll give a little introduction so we've got marty belanger aka marty up north he's

00:00:43.840 the unacceptable fact checker he's a vocal voice on x where he fiercely critiques current events

00:00:51.040 canadian federal politics energy politics and institutional failures he's a staunch alberta

00:00:56.640 separatist he challenges anti-independence narratives and debates unitists while exposing

00:01:02.400 perceived lies and biases in the media and the government with a no-nonsense style he pushes

00:01:08.400 for alberta sovereignty smaller government and a return to common sense governance often sparking

00:01:14.960 heated discussions and then we've got troy westwood he's a husband he's a dad 25 years in social

00:01:22.800 services working across frontline support program development and community advocacy 18 year member

00:01:30.240 of the winnipeg blue bombers okay so we did come up with a little structure just to keep things focused

00:01:35.920 for today um there's going to be six segments um each of you will basically get to host three or begin

00:01:42.240 three so each segment will start with a question the respondent will have three minutes to answer that

00:01:47.760 question their opponent will then have two minutes to respond and then we'll just allow for five minutes

00:01:52.720 of open debate before moving on to a new segment and we're going to cap it at an hour

00:01:57.200 um james and i we're not going to interrupt um with the exception that if there is a definition

00:02:03.360 or a term that's being used and it's clear that you guys each have different interpretations of what

00:02:07.280 that term might mean um we might step in and just ask for clarity just for the overall um sake of the

00:02:12.640 discussion and clarity there all right well if that sounds good to you gentlemen we'll begin

00:02:17.760 so our first topic is culture and marty the first question will go to you you will have again

00:02:23.520 three minutes to answer so marty what is alberta's culture and why is it incompatible with canada

00:02:31.680 um actually that's a good question i i i don't think that alberta's culture specifically is different

00:02:39.920 than uh say other provinces i mean it's slightly different you know it's different than say quebec's

00:02:45.520 culture it's different than uh newfoundland's culture perhaps different than ontario but that's

00:02:50.960 not the point here the point is when we talk about separation is that uh whatever our culture happens

00:02:58.800 to be it's not that it's right or wrong is that we just want to protect our culture so a lot of albertans

00:03:04.080 in the last several years have been have a real concern about ottawa's out of control immigration 1.00

00:03:10.880 because immigration is not a provincial matter it's a federal matter and lots of and ottawa has basically

00:03:16.320 opened the floodgates and allowed like millions of immigrants and into the country and they land in 1.00

00:03:21.840 toronto montreal places like that but they a lot of them end up in alberta and so just in the last

00:03:26.800 year alone uh last couple years we've added like 300 400 000 immigrants to alberta which for a

00:03:34.800 province of a population of only like four million we've added like four percent we grew and it's out of

00:03:40.160 control and it's damaging so it's an example it's not the main reason why you there's a separatist

00:03:45.680 movement but it is one of them and it's not about the fact that our culture is fundamentally different

00:03:50.320 than other parts of canada but we've decided that we want to protect our culture if other if the rest

00:03:55.840 of canada wants to let in a whole bunch of immigrants and be replaced that's fine that's that's 1.00

00:04:00.000 their choice but albertans have decided that uh no we we we want to protect our culture

00:04:04.320 you know i'll just add right um you know i'm not against uh immigration and most albertans are not

00:04:17.520 against immigration because like fundamentally we're a late province to confederation and we were a

00:04:24.640 territory for the longest time and most people like we are the product of a mass immigration in the you

00:04:31.520 know late 1800s early 1900s so there's a lot of people who came here to help build this

00:04:37.360 province and so we're not against immigrants immigration most of us can trace back our

00:04:41.840 families to some form of immigration but we're definitely not in favor of the out of control 1.00

00:04:46.480 immigration that's going on and i and i also want to add this right now 25 of the people living in

00:04:52.960 this country were not born in canada like that's a big number like that's it's it's it's it's only been

00:04:58.560 that high once in our history so right now you know i don't it's it's it's it's beyond

00:05:05.280 just healthy immigration some of us feel i feel that we're being replaced okay thank you for that

00:05:13.040 marty um troy you will now have two minutes to respond now i would like to respond by asking

00:05:20.480 questions if i can do that and i'll just touch quickly on culture of canada which i absolutely love

00:05:26.320 and especially when you regionalize it the way marty did a little bit there but like you think of the

00:05:30.560 and for me as a prairie boy born and raised here right fairly boring with our culture in the prairies

00:05:35.840 saskatchewan manitoba the same thing same kind of people um drive forever on that flat that the most

00:05:43.360 boring drive there is in the world manitoba saskatchewan um but bc just the kind of the west coast vibe

00:05:50.960 sort of thing the laid back you think about uh surfing out on the island or it's just different

00:05:57.200 right you go to the you go to vancouver or anywhere in bc and it's different it's got a different vibe

00:06:02.160 to it and then alberta my folks lived in alberta and spend i've spent a bunch of time there and it

00:06:07.360 just it's always been sort of the cowboy province and definitely a different vibe out in alberta which

00:06:13.040 a lot of canadians love and then like i was saying with manitoba saskatchewan and then you get into

00:06:18.080 ontario which is a whole bunch like manitoba in the early stages but as you move east then all

00:06:23.120 of a sudden you find you're in the middle of the universe in toronto right that a lot of canadians

00:06:27.360 kind of have fun with them that sort of thing and then of course quebec is like you're in a different

00:06:31.920 country anytime you go to quebec it's it's remarkably culture rich and there's something incredibly

00:06:38.400 beautiful about it and then you get out a little bit east of that you have all of our brothers and

00:06:42.560 sisters on the east coast there that's holy cow do they have their own sort of thing going up there 1.00

00:06:46.880 and some of the folks you can hardly understand and and all the different things that come into

00:06:50.800 play and man that's what to me makes so us so rich is that beautiful culture that we have across this

00:06:57.200 remarkable spectrum of space and area and land and stuff and that's one of my favorite parts of being

00:07:04.000 canadian it's just the the wealth that we have of culture as far as being canadian 10 second warning

00:07:10.880 troy and born here and stuff so i i would just lean into and and i get the immigration concern like i

00:07:16.960 i it's it can be a little bit okay that is a two minute that's a two minute mark so now we'll head

00:07:22.160 into five minutes of open debate and i would like to begin that just by asking marty like why is there

00:07:27.520 so much immigration it's economically based right do you believe that no i believe that um that uh canada

00:07:37.840 has become an extremely unproductive country and lazy in the sense and our gdp is failing and so

00:07:45.120 the liberals have inflated have allowed a ton of people into the country so that it artificially

00:07:50.800 inflates the gdp number and they love a high gdp number because they're borrowing money recklessly

00:07:57.520 and they're constantly and so they've been they've they've convinced us that we have a an acceptable

00:08:02.960 amount of debt by saying that our debt to gdp ratio is is adequate so they're fudging numbers so we're

00:08:08.800 allowing a whole bunch of immigrants into the country which is basically slave labor as far 1.00

00:08:13.440 as i'm concerned walk into any tim hortons and you'll see it and uh and and i think it's it's

00:08:18.880 it's not for healthy reasons we're we're letting in a whole bunch of people because we are destroying 0.91

00:08:24.560 our economy and this is a band-aid solution and there's another problem too which is canadians are

00:08:29.280 not the fertility rate of canadians is way low except here in alberta we still have a high

00:08:34.160 fertility rate and so the rest of the country is not having babies because policies are so terrible

00:08:39.040 that nobody can afford to have babies and then we can't keep paying for these social services that we 0.99

00:08:44.480 lavish on each other so then we have to have this out of control immigration so i think 1.00

00:08:48.400 there it's it's it out of control immigration is a is the result of other bad policies

00:08:53.920 but i do take offense and i've seen your posting before about you know the racial plays you make on

00:09:00.320 the tim hortons and stuff like that and i when i first saw some of the complaints about it i was

00:09:04.640 giggling to myself because i thought these rural firms in in alberta are freaking out because they're

00:09:08.720 going to their local tims and it's got indian ownership those folks own tims marty those folks

00:09:15.280 that are coming in like the number of indian business owners that in in canada is quite remarkable

00:09:20.640 and and beautiful and and wealthy and i i think like i i understand especially for white folks

00:09:26.960 the concern about the immigration when sometimes you like you can be a minority living in a large

00:09:33.520 city in winnipeg and you are your culture or your whiteness is a minority but there's also something

00:09:39.040 truly beautiful to it and i do profoundly disagree the one thing i'll agree with you a thousand percent

00:09:44.720 is when some some a-holes are out in toronto protesting and some folks start saying death

00:09:51.520 to canada and all that sort of stuff those folks should be immediately taken either to jail or

00:09:56.560 sent back home like that we need to be more careful in vetting who we bring into the country 1.00

00:10:01.360 for sure to make sure that they're not fanatical and and they fall in line from that sort of

00:10:06.000 standpoint there i would really like things to be changed but i think there's a lot of beauty in the

00:10:11.120 folks that come here and we live in a place that's there's so many different cultures here that and

00:10:15.840 i've grown up playing soccer my whole life i coach soccer so that inherently a lot of the globe plays

00:10:20.960 soccer so you know around us we have a large indian population a large filipino population and all kinds

00:10:27.200 of other folks from different cultures and i think it's a truly beautiful thing

00:10:34.400 okay marty did you want to respond or do you guys want to leave it there

00:10:36.960 uh yeah i'll just like i said that you know i'm not against people coming here to run businesses

00:10:45.440 i'm not against uh indians that would come here and own a tim horns that's not my problem my problem is 0.99

00:10:50.320 the fact that there's just so many of them i mean um tim horns used to be a place where you would go

00:10:55.600 and uh where kids would work and uh and retirees and now it's uh it's it's slave labor from from

00:11:02.560 from imported from other countries it's not slave labor though brother they're getting minimum wage

00:11:09.280 or whatever they're making same as anybody else and different folks that are helping you know and

00:11:14.480 that sort of a thing like i know like it's just it's a pretty hardcore edgy sort of take that you

00:11:19.600 have marty and and when you and you say you don't have a problem with it but when you post some of the

00:11:23.920 stuff that you do it sure looks like you do like it comes off very hateful spiteful hard angry and like

00:11:31.120 you just don't like when you go up to your tims and if you're you know being served by someone

00:11:36.720 who's indian seems to me really i don't i don't like i i don't like being replaced troy i'm uh i'm

00:11:42.800 proud of my culture and i want to preserve my culture you keep talking about beautiful cultures

00:11:47.200 but at the same time my culture is being replaced and destroyed so where's your sympathy for my culture

00:11:52.720 you keep talking about beautiful cultures everybody else has a beautiful culture except the alberta

00:11:56.960 culture so you have no sympathy for my culture but you have sympathy for the for the

00:12:01.120 filipinos that are coming here and installing a restaurant like do you see the hypocrisy in what 0.78

00:12:05.680 you're saying where's your where's your sympathy for my culture or yours well you're like you have

00:12:11.440 and you have what i would call a suicidal empathy you like you're being replaced and you're cool with

00:12:16.560 it but i'm not cool with being replaced so i mean we'll agree to disagree and we'll move on to another

00:12:21.200 topic i would say that we're not being i do not feel as a white dude that i'm being replaced i do feel

00:12:28.560 that we are being enhanced from a cultural standpoint and that's a part of the richness of canada that

00:12:34.160 that's my take on it perfect okay all right well let's move to our second question then this one is

00:12:41.520 for you troy um do you think albertans have a right to pursue self-determination through a citizen-led

00:12:49.360 petition and a referendum following the guidelines of the supreme court i'll say f no and if this was

00:12:57.840 you know we're sitting in the living room together here i'd you know swear openly but no hell no they

00:13:02.640 do not i i just don't i and i know that there is a pathway to it and i know that as when especially

00:13:10.720 when marty and i were younger i don't know for each of them james you guys are born yet sort of thing

00:13:14.000 but when quebec tried to do it i was way younger i can't remember what year it was exactly but it

00:13:19.120 was a huge ordeal and it bothered me a little bit then my youth but now it would really bother me i

00:13:24.880 think it's something that should be taken away from the provinces and the territories the opportunity

00:13:30.240 any slight sliver and crack of it to leave canada i don't think that it should be an option i don't

00:13:36.320 think that any group of individuals should be able to come together that have some level of

00:13:42.400 discontentment for whatever it is each of those individuals is free to leave the country i do not

00:13:47.600 think that they should be able to come together and as if they own the province and leave and and it's

00:13:54.400 really hard i think for us as canadians and for us as canada to have a strong stable nation when the

00:14:01.200 threat is out there of a province leaving at whenever there's a group of individuals that feel the

00:14:08.320 want or need to leave and connect with it so i think it's something that needs to be readdressed i

00:14:13.120 think the option to do it needs to be taken away it's like that for a bunch of countries in europe where

00:14:18.000 states and provinces do not have the option to leave we are sovereign nation as with our 10 provinces

00:14:24.720 and three territories and i think that it should stay like that and it really bothers me um in a huge

00:14:30.000 way and and takes away from us overall as canadians when there's this option that folks can be upset

00:14:36.640 discontent angry spiteful all those sorts of things and rip a province away from the country

00:14:42.480 we're tempted okay marty we'll go to you for two minutes for a response yeah i mean uh yeah we

00:14:49.600 fundamentally disagree on that one you know i again i treat it as nobody like troy's never asked me

00:14:55.200 personally because he knows i'm a separatist he's never asked me like why are you wanting to separate

00:14:59.440 nobody asked that and and i've and i've given you the example you know if if you have a a relationship

00:15:06.160 between a man and a woman or whatever kind of relationship or business people come together

00:15:10.080 and suddenly it doesn't work out then they should be allowed to separate so we came together as a

00:15:15.600 country under confederation provinces joined with the promise that there would be economic advantages

00:15:21.200 and and defense advantages and other advantages and one of the partners in this relationship

00:15:25.840 right now canada alberta in the past quebec is completely unhappy so in in your analogy you would

00:15:32.880 you would be you would reverse divorce laws you would say to a partner who is unhappy stick it out

00:15:37.360 you're not allowed to get divorced so that's how i view it and and and and and for me it's perfectly

00:15:43.440 constitutional and perfectly valid like why would you want to keep a partner in the relationship

00:15:48.400 albertans are unhappy they're not happy being in this relationship so i i mean i i i lived through

00:15:53.920 the first referendum i lived in quebec for the first referendum in the 1980s and then i wasn't there for

00:15:58.560 the second one but i was cheering them on i'm like hey have at her if you're not happy in in this

00:16:02.960 confederation move on so so i i i i i can't make the emotional attachment and and passing a law like

00:16:11.360 that to me that would be a draconian law saying an unhappy partner can't leave that's insane so no

00:16:16.800 we're unhappy and we want to leave i think the i think the the relationship comparison like a marriage

00:16:23.360 is is probably the best one we have for this i think it's a horrible analogy to use um but nonetheless

00:16:32.240 when you and i find it interesting too and you say completely unhappy because it's probably somewhere

00:16:38.000 around 30 percent right now that that that's the estimation anyway plus or minus whatever it might be

00:16:44.240 of albertans would sign up for independence so i think that i think one thing the folks the separatists

00:16:52.000 that the notion of false consensus phenomenon when they're around others that are always doing

00:16:57.440 this and maybe when you are out getting those signatures marty like you're around individuals

00:17:02.160 especially in rural alberta that really are turned into this or tuned into this but it's still by all

00:17:09.040 accounts somewhere around 30 or so and when you need a clear majority a clear majority like holy cow

00:17:16.960 whatever a clear majority and it's very interesting how some of the um ambivalent type of language is

00:17:23.200 in the clarity act like a clear majority is that it's not 55 to me or 60 i don't know what it is but

00:17:29.120 it's some big number and then there's all the things that need to happen uh for you guys to ultimately

00:17:34.000 be able to carry forth your your goal and what you want to do but when you say completely unhappy you're

00:17:39.440 talking right now about a fairly small disgruntled group of individuals that don't like seeing

00:17:46.000 different shades of brown around them too much sure and feel like they're being mistreated by auto and

00:17:50.480 such well so you wouldn't even let those individuals voice their discontent by holding a referendum

00:17:57.040 so i'm i'm with you on this one let us hold that we're we're collecting petitions smith gave us a

00:18:03.280 beautiful piece of legislature called the citizens initiative and we will hold a referendum and i'll

00:18:08.240 stand by it if the referendum fails and doesn't get the majority then i guess we'll have a mandate to

00:18:14.000 try and renegotiate with ottawa but let us that that's that's not your concern let us oh actually

00:18:20.560 your concern can be valid if you if you think that uh would you agree that if 60 percent of the

00:18:25.840 albertans said we want to go in a referendum would you respect that or would you still say no

00:18:32.720 well i don't know i i inherently i obviously it would be way above my head to i would not respect it for sure

00:18:38.560 because i just don't think that any group of individuals should be able to tear a province

00:18:43.600 away from the country like that okay well that's an interesting i i okay you made your point clear

00:18:50.160 because i would say that you know if 60 percent of quebecers said they want to leave i would say

00:18:54.800 congratulations you've you've voiced your your demo it's your democratic right and away you go and by

00:19:00.400 the way i think it's higher than 30 percent and i also want to say this um alberta was brought into

00:19:06.240 confederation basically kicking and screaming almost annexed in 1905 and there's been a separatist

00:19:11.600 movement in this province every generation has seen one we had one as early as the 1930s like within

00:19:17.360 within a decade of joining confederation people started going what's going on there was another one

00:19:21.920 in the 60s the one in the 80s was huge when pierre eliot trudeau imposed the national energy program on us

00:19:27.360 and destroyed us and we just got over that and then trudeau jr comes back long we're about to

00:19:32.800 forget about that one and then the east elected carne so anyways the the my point is you know i

00:19:38.880 disagree i think it's a it well you and i can disagree on this one the courts say otherwise the

00:19:44.720 clarity act the courts ruled on the on the quebec referendum and the clarity act says that if a

00:19:50.480 properly worded question and a proper majority uh say yes the province a province is allowed to

00:19:56.560 leave confederation the confed the the so people call us traitors but are wrong yeah well i i do

00:20:03.840 call and especially individuals like jeffrey wrath that you've mentioned like when you're out meeting

00:20:08.080 with what is now a foreign hostile a hostile nation to the south of us for the first time in our lives

00:20:15.040 you you can't say that when donald trump is threatening as a 51st state and whatever else all of

00:20:20.960 the the uh unstable aspect of america when wrath and his team were down there meeting with them and

00:20:27.520 they're helping to plan a way a road to succession to me that's that's vile and that should be they

00:20:34.880 should their ashes should be in jail so like there should be and and and and i think i think what carney's

00:20:42.480 no no go ahead i mean you're you're on a roll i find it very interesting like i just find it

00:20:47.120 interesting how like i would i never i would never feel like i i own manitoba and if i wanted to make

00:20:54.160 it if i was really unhappy i would run for a government position and then make make my feelings

00:21:00.400 uh and thoughts felt that way and if i wanted to make profound change to this province i would be i

00:21:06.320 would want to run for different offices where i could make institutional change in that matter but to

00:21:12.480 that's fantastic no but i mean the the the citizens position is exactly that i mean we have as citizens

00:21:22.160 we have two times when we can exercise our our our voices one is every four years when we vote and

00:21:29.440 then the other one is through these petitions so this petition is a citizens movement i mean a familiar

00:21:34.400 like we're doing what you're saying we're getting a million people are going to vote on a question and

00:21:40.400 effect change but but i want to come back to one thing uh jeff wrath and those guys they just went

00:21:46.320 to the us that was that's the story like that was the worst kept secret on the planet rachel broke that

00:21:52.160 story jeff wrath told rachel and others a year ago i'm going to the us to go talk with the us like the

00:21:59.040 worst kept secret on the planet and jeff and others went to the us simply to talk to say if we were to

00:22:05.760 separate and things got ugly back home could we count on you for a little bit of help could what's

00:22:11.680 the process of getting a loan or a line of credit so they were going there and investigating and asking

00:22:17.440 questions no different than quebec did with france and other countries in did you know that when france

00:22:22.560 when quebec was getting ready to uh hold its referendum it had a sheet of paper and the and the

00:22:28.000 president of france was ready to declare you know vive le quebec libre and and and and recognize that

00:22:33.520 quebec was a sovereign uh sovereign state by the way and that's the other thing right that is you

00:22:38.160 got really wrong it is equally as wrong yeah so when carney last week says uh so right now around

00:22:44.160 the world so carney last week when he says hey i recognize the people of palestine even though they

00:22:48.320 don't have a border and i recognize the palestinian state that's that's correct that's wrong but when

00:22:53.120 he says i recognize if the people of greenland choose to separate from denmark and choose to accept an

00:22:59.040 offer from the us and carney literally says i will respect that so i hope that carney will respect

00:23:05.520 alberta's wishes when we separate troy i'm going to give you just uh you have 20 seconds to respond

00:23:11.920 and then we'll move on to the next segment you can give him more but i think i think with uh with what

00:23:17.520 wrath is doing i i'm just shocked that there's no question the hostility right now that the united

00:23:24.720 states of america presents to canada and nobody is going nobody with who's following things closely

00:23:31.200 is going to listen to anyone in that administration or related to that administration who's saying that

00:23:36.960 they're speaking about this and that they're not giving certain uh speaking of certain names that

00:23:41.040 are doing any of the talking there is no question that america the united states of america has a

00:23:45.760 vested interest if alberta were to secede and it just it stinks it quacks like a duck walks like a 0.94

00:23:52.960 duck all these sorts of things it's stinky and i think that it's treason 0.77

00:23:59.680 okay that brings us to the end of that round um you guys have sort of just already started talking

00:24:04.000 about what we're going to be discussing next um in our third topic here which is u.s and

00:24:08.080 international relations so marty this question is for you there is a lot of criticism that if alberta does

00:24:14.320 become an independent nation it risks being very quickly absorbed by the united states of america

00:24:20.240 how can we have confidence that alberta would remain independent well i mean i i honestly don't think

00:24:28.960 that the risk of uh alberta being absorbed is any different than canada being absorbed like if you

00:24:34.640 want to think a bit from uh let's say let's get crazy and if you want to think of it from a military

00:24:39.680 point of view if the u.s wanted to take over canada that they could have done it but they haven't done

00:24:43.760 it they've had 250 years to do it and they haven't done it so i don't think there's that kind of

00:24:49.120 relationship um so i'm not worried about an alberta because in fact alberta already does you know 80

00:24:57.040 of its trade with the u.s and and we have an amazing relationship with the u.s and we and and i and i

00:25:03.280 don't see the advantage of the u.s taking us over when they have such a nice relationship with us and

00:25:09.520 there's also the reality you know people the 51 state thing is is was was all blown out of proportion

00:25:16.000 i think that was trump uh toying with uh with carney and then it got blown up but but i also want to

00:25:21.200 say this um for for for canada for alberta to be annexed into the u.s like in what form would that be

00:25:29.600 as a territory like invaded as a territory would the other states allow it i'm not sure about that and

00:25:35.840 i'll finish by saying this very pragmatically speaking you know if alberta separates it's a 1.00

00:25:40.880 large geography it's a country in in size and gdp similar to um similar to ireland similar to norway

00:25:47.760 or whatever and and can and alberta would still have a relationship with the cat with canada with 0.83

00:25:53.280 the u.s with nato we would join and we would have other partners that would hopefully come to our defense

00:25:58.000 if it was needed but it's not it's honestly not something i fear

00:26:01.280 troy you want to go ahead and respond i sure do when he's when marty's saying but they haven't

00:26:08.640 done it as far as america showing aggression posing a serious threat to america america has never had

00:26:14.960 an authoritarian as a president which is what donald trump is and what is he's becoming as each day

00:26:20.720 passes when you're talking about marty doesn't think they'll do this or that as far as acquiring land

00:26:26.400 you have donald trump referencing the monroe doctrine you have the monroe doctrine referenced in

00:26:31.040 project 2025 which is like the playbook for trump and the rest of it and just dive into that that's

00:26:36.800 that that donald trump would love that the whole monroe doctrine and the western hemisphere dividing

00:26:42.640 that up and then it gets into things with putin and and chi as well that sort of thing with with

00:26:49.200 donald trump so no i don't i don't believe that that america would not pose and is not a serious

00:26:55.040 threat right now and i also want to reference when you're talking about the whole statehood thing

00:26:59.440 jeffrey rath in may 20 may 3rd of 25 we need to be an independent country before we can join the us

00:27:07.040 one step out of it at a time he admits that after independence the 51st state is on the plate and then

00:27:13.280 rachel you yourself actually tweeted on april 3rd i believe it was in 2025 uh jeffrey rath and him saying

00:27:21.680 that um jeffrey rath is says a delegate is planning to travel to dc to pitch president trump on alberta 0.99

00:27:28.320 statehood and then rath's quote is it's quite evident that we're being governed by idiots in 0.96

00:27:32.320 ottawa there's a number of us in alberta that have had enough so again there he's kind of implying 0.95

00:27:37.200 the statehood element and i see all the time from jeffrey rath he's talking about independence first

00:27:42.480 and then movement into the 51st state i think it's it's either naive or just just flat uh falsehood when

00:27:51.440 those who are interested in separating and and tearing alberta out of canada they can be i think it's

00:27:57.520 being i think it's being packaged as independent so it's a little bit warmer for canadians to

00:28:03.760 i think it's flat though ultimately they're becoming going to become the 51st state if they succeed

00:28:10.400 okay cool so a quick rebuttal on my part first of all jeff rath is is just the is the leader is

00:28:16.560 one of the senior leaders of the alberta prosperity project which is on hold right now if there's a

00:28:21.680 referendum in alberta and we choose separation there's a lot of steps so we would we would probably

00:28:27.360 probably somebody like smith could say okay i'll i'll accept the the i'll lead the province into

00:28:32.880 separation or step smith could step down and we would have to elect a new group and then and do do

00:28:38.560 lots of things so jeff is not elected official he can talk all he wants but down the road if we become

00:28:43.920 independent there's a there we will do it then we will still be a democracy and we will elect leaders

00:28:48.720 so jeff can talk all he wants right now he's not a he's not an elected official and on your trump

00:28:54.160 point so back to what i just said if i'll the at on at the best course right now alberta has a 0.99

00:29:00.320 referendum at the end of this year starts a negotiation with the rest of canada separates

00:29:05.120 and becomes a nation that's like two and a half years from now and two and a half years from now

00:29:08.960 trump will be gone and so trump might be an aberration right now but he but the americans have a

00:29:13.520 beautiful system where they have a peaceful change of of of power and let's not forget not 0.58

00:29:18.960 too long ago the americans had an absolute lunatic named joe biden so right now like if you ask most

00:29:24.400 people in in alberta who might be pro joining the us if you said would you want to join with joe biden

00:29:31.040 as the leader or would you join in uh five years from now when uh elect uh aoc is the new leader people

00:29:37.520 are going to go oh no so trump is a temporary moment in in that short term and and then the

00:29:43.520 long term uh i i don't see the u.s annexing us there'll be there'll be another president after

00:29:48.720 trump the trump derangement syndrome i just want to verify i just want to verify here marty and i

00:29:54.800 got a kick out of folks that say trun straight and trump derangement uh syndrome anyone could go

00:29:58.880 through my timeline for the last 10 years find anything i've said about trump that hasn't come to

00:30:03.040 fruition but you actually called biden a lunatic and you've stated that you support trump on many

00:30:09.040 occasions so that that's something to digest yeah yeah i i i absolutely admire what he's doing for

00:30:15.840 his country i mean he's bringing back the economy he's he's kick he's kick-starting his economy he's

00:30:20.640 bringing back job he's getting rid of the out of the illegal immigrants he's uh lowering taxes he's 1.00

00:30:27.440 improving the standard of living i mean he's doing what you know you don't have to like trump

00:30:32.000 but trump is one of those politicians who says he's going to do something and does it and so i

00:30:36.880 admire that i'd rather have a guy marty who's a little bit edgy and does what he says versus a guy

00:30:42.720 like we have who all who talks out of both sides of his mouth so i mean by all measures my life as a

00:30:48.960 canadian is worse off now than it was in 2014 because i've had 11 years of failure so do i admire

00:30:55.120 trump absolutely because he represents his people it's interesting you're saying after all the failure

00:31:01.600 because you in a tweet or in one of your videos recently stated how last year was a great year

00:31:06.240 for you financially and that your children are all doing well leaving the nest and chasing their

00:31:10.640 dreams so you're in such turmoil and so hard done by in alberta current day that you're living a good

00:31:16.480 life still doing well financially and your children are as well and i want to move also with trump here

00:31:21.040 just because i'm the last person all of these points about no no just because i you just regurgitated your thing about

00:31:31.840 marty you're trying to discredit me because i'm doing no points and the economy no i'm not i'm not

00:31:37.520 brother i'm not i'm not trying to discredit you i'm just i mean just because i'm the last shark who's

00:31:43.440 going to get eaten doesn't mean yeah yeah all right okay but your your support of trump is i i don't

00:31:51.360 understand at this point in time and i wonder what the percentage is of separatists who are mega or support

00:31:56.560 trump like it's huge and i at this point in time boy uh everyone to james marty and rachel like there

00:32:03.600 is something wrong with individuals who are still willing to accept and embrace donald trump he is

00:32:10.240 you can't and everyone here is intelligent and has the capability of thinking the man is very obviously 0.95

00:32:16.400 a pathological liar and he and this epstein thing is so vile and horrible for people to continue to 0.88

00:32:24.080 support donald trump when it is there is it's not a mountain of evidence it's a mountain range of 0.97

00:32:29.760 evidence with him and the epstein situation and whether it blows up whether it actually all comes

00:32:34.800 to fruition and blows up in two weeks from now in two months from now or two years from now it is going

00:32:40.800 to come up and everyone that supported donald trump is going to have to justify how they overlooked all

00:32:46.080 the obvious signs so you're going to drop uh donald you're going to drop our best our neighbors our

00:32:53.840 cousins the people with whom we've done trade for 250 years you're going to drop them because of a 0.93

00:32:58.800 temporary because they got donald trump and you're going to jump in bed with the communist chinese 0.99

00:33:05.520 who by the way carney during the leadership debate last year he wanted that he wanted the talking point

00:33:11.680 so badly that he interrupted the the host and said i just want to say that i think the worst threat to

00:33:17.280 canada right now is china so he said it and now he's jumping in bed with china and you're doing mental 0.78

00:33:23.200 gymnastics and backflips to support carney and support china and you're discrediting trump who's

00:33:28.800 done nothing for you trump has not attacked you trump all trump is doing is it should be a wake-up call

00:33:34.640 for us that we've become lazy we did not diversify our trade we've become complacent and trump is doing

00:33:40.880 something for the americans so like it's a wake-up party when a man is unstable he's not unstable marty

00:33:48.080 when i'm he has threatened us he's not unstable come on man how's he threatening us dude what

00:33:55.040 he has threatened us he's threatened us to make us have us become the 51st state he's threatened to

00:34:02.080 to invade us he's threatened all kinds of the trade the tariffs and all the rest of it the man is a 0.94

00:34:08.640 constant perpetual threat and to say that he isn't is remarkable he's not trustworthy he's unstable

00:34:15.680 and he's threatening us as a sovereign nation and when you're talking also about the whole china and

00:34:20.240 trading with china for pete's sake how look at the numbers are remarkable how deeply entrenched

00:34:26.480 the usa is in trade with china and they are a force and i know there's all kinds of things and i

00:34:31.840 know theo flurry thinks by osmosis that we as a nation are going to become communist because we're

00:34:37.120 trading with a communist nation but but china as an entity and as an economic power is is something to

00:34:44.880 behold and it's remarkable and when when you have such a threatening unstable force to the south of

00:34:51.920 us for the first time that we've ever seen where you cannot trust donald trump for any in any measure

00:34:57.920 whatsoever but and and mark carney i'm not necessarily a massive fan of any individual

00:35:04.400 party marty but when mark carney has to leave canada and cannot turn to america and needs to start finding

00:35:12.800 other trading partners i would i i have a tartan not applauding what he has done given the unpredictable

00:35:19.840 elements of the states and how unstable everything is where he is reinventing things on the fly along with

00:35:26.080 europe and everybody else like he said that whole new world order thing that individuals that sort

00:35:32.640 of are over on your side of the ledger with theo flurry and stuff and it's some you know all the

00:35:37.680 acronyms come into play and stuff like that with the world economic form and stuff like that but but

00:35:41.920 when carney mentioned that when the united states of america had a certain that you were happy when

00:35:47.280 carney mentioned the new world order i'm saying when he did that marty really should read let me

00:35:53.600 finish let me finish you should read when he when you know you've mentioned that he's talking about

00:35:57.680 the standing of the usa we're we're i've given you guys a little extra time for the segment marty i'm

00:36:02.960 going to go to you you can respond and then we'll move on now i mean the new world order should scare

00:36:07.600 everybody and and and carney gave us his plan he wrote a book called you know value so read his

00:36:15.120 book my friend because he's laying out his plan and he's going to do it to us so you're you're you're

00:36:20.480 going to be on the wrong side of history on this one and you're going to wake up one morning with owning

00:36:24.560 nothing and being happy it's happening to you so i hope you wake up on this one because getting in bed

00:36:30.400 with china again i'm going to fundamentally disagree but let's move on thanks all right um

00:36:37.760 we've talked a little bit of the about the usa uh let's actually i think it's good to bring it back

00:36:43.360 to canada itself um so there are people that are arguing that alberta would be better off

00:36:50.960 like independent from an economic standpoint troy what would you say to those people like

00:36:58.000 what is the economic argument for why alberta is better in canada than it is being independent

00:37:04.720 and this is something james marty and rachel that i do not know the intricacies and the remarkable

00:37:13.120 complexities of whether or not alberta would be stronger or not uh in or out of canada i've seen

00:37:19.920 a lot i've read a bunch in the last week or so about how the dreams and and what a lot of those who

00:37:25.840 want to have an independent alberta how there's going to be a bunch of level of struggle involved in

00:37:30.720 that sort of stuff from an economic base and all this sort of stuff but that's not even the question

00:37:35.120 to me i find it interesting because when we first talked about getting together to talk to one another

00:37:40.560 marty was like you can tell me what or why alberta should stay in canada and that's not the situation

00:37:47.360 to to me i don't as a canadian i don't need to get on my knees and beg that marty and his separatists

00:37:54.080 please stay with us that's not it at all to in my and i think most proud canadians are like to marty

00:38:00.240 and anyone else that wants to secede from here get the hell out of canada if you're so unhappy and hard

00:38:05.440 done by then leave the country and we will fight proud canadians will fight to keep canada a coherent

00:38:13.840 sovereign nation with the ten provinces and three territories and i don't think that albertans have the

00:38:19.200 right some rogue group of discontent individuals who don't like the changing landscape around them

00:38:26.160 a little bit and there they want to buddy up to this hostile power down south and whether trump was

00:38:32.480 there whether it was trump or anybody else in the states i just can't stand the notion whatsoever but

00:38:39.600 canadians don't need to cow down and beg for these separatists to please change their mind or change course

00:38:45.040 they're right now they're in the minority i think the the further we get into this that you hear more

00:38:51.040 and more proud albertans taking start uh taking steps and making themselves more vocal saying hey we

00:38:57.440 are the clear majority or alberta is staying and going nowhere and i'm very intrigued and interested

00:39:02.080 to see how certain individuals marty said that if you know if it ends up being a loss for what they're

00:39:07.440 trying to do that he'll wear it well and lose with respect and that sort of thing but i wonder with the

00:39:11.920 likes of guys like david parker and yada yada all these others guys like theo flurry other individuals

00:39:17.680 when this does when this doesn't work what's going to happen with all these discontents that really

00:39:23.680 push for independence and it fails and i think it's going to crash and burn all right so i'll just yeah

00:39:30.640 so all right i'll pretend that troy is asking me why am i pissed off and why do i want to leave i want to

00:39:36.400 leave for cultural reasons i want to protect my culture but i also want to leave because i'm being

00:39:40.560 economically abused so as canadians as an albertan i pay taxes to three levels of government i my for

00:39:49.200 for the ten thousand dollars i pay in taxes a hundred a thousand bucks goes to my municipality

00:39:54.480 three thousand goes to edmonton and six thousand goes to ottawa and of the six thousand dollars i send

00:39:59.040 to ottawa i only get about three thousand back in services so the rest vanishes and it's being

00:40:04.880 um it's it vanishes in uh equalization payments it vanishes and wasted programs it vanishes and all

00:40:12.560 sorts of things and for the longest time once in a while albertans can get over that because

00:40:17.920 as i will admit we do very well but once in a while we have a small downturn in the economy or things go

00:40:25.200 wrong and we ask for a bit of help and that help doesn't come but that's that's not even bad enough

00:40:30.800 lately we're being pushed down so they don't want us to they they're blocking our pipelines they're

00:40:36.640 imposing net zero on us they're they're they're taking away our firearms they want to take away

00:40:41.760 our land they do all sorts of things but from an economic point of view as an albertan i get no

00:40:48.880 benefit from being in confederation i it's costing me money for me uh during the 18 years that my kids

00:40:55.520 were at home it's estimated that it was six thousand dollars per albertan so i have six kids in my

00:41:01.840 family that's 36 000 or six people in my family times 18. i sent six hundred thousand dollars to

00:41:08.000 ottawa that i never saw back and and and and then if we separate instead of wasting that money and

00:41:15.120 sending it to ottawa we'll spend a little bit of it to build our own defense but we will build our slush

00:41:19.680 fund like norway did norway started putting away marty yeah norway grew a two trillion dollar fund

00:41:26.560 in 30 years and they could and we could do the same thing and pay no income tax

00:41:33.440 okay we'll move to open open debate go ahead troy did marty just say has six kids

00:41:39.120 four kids you have six kids marty four kids i have four kids i was going to say pump the brakes fella if

00:41:44.160 you got six kids it's trying to pump the brakes but yeah i don't really have any rebuttal to that

00:41:49.440 i just like i i don't you know hey man taxes suck everyone hates paying them they're tough in all

00:41:55.600 the provinces we also have the benefits of the healthcare system that is far from perfect and

00:42:01.920 always a constant thing that's trying to be made better and all the rest of it but you know those

00:42:06.320 things are challenging and difficult and and maybe if alberta separated they would get a bit of a relief

00:42:12.320 from that but then there's all kinds of services that come into play and how they're going to serve

00:42:16.080 their population all the rest of it but but again the the heart of the matter of this is i don't

00:42:20.880 really care if alberta and the separatists are going to be better off economically because they

00:42:25.520 leave canada the the option to leave canada should not be in play it is in play it's convoluted as the

00:42:31.360 dickens there's all kinds of hoops to jump through even if they end up getting the vote but i think proud

00:42:37.280 canadians are going to step up and play a massive role in in in speaking up and and anyone that's on the

00:42:43.920 fence about maybe i should sign that and vote yes or not i think the the more we get into this the

00:42:48.800 more proud canadians are going to step up and influence people to stay in canada but again troy

00:42:54.000 i i find your argument in like weird so i'm telling you honestly i'm unhappy so you're so if a million

00:43:00.640 albertans said they're unhappy in the referendum you would say to all one million of them get the

00:43:05.760 heck out of the country i would say you are spoiled brats i would say you're spoiled that 1.00

00:43:11.520 one i hear how fortunate we are how lucky we are to live where we live on the planet and like i said

00:43:18.000 bird if you want to be with me if and right that's the interesting thing right anyone like that for for

00:43:25.120 the separatists to think that they own in alberta this is my doggone land that i'm stepping on we're

00:43:30.320 going to take it it's not separatists it's a move into anybody anybody from saskatchewan and manitoba

00:43:36.960 can move in all the rest of it this is canada we can move into different provinces and and take part

00:43:42.400 in the culture or wherever we feel most at home we have the the ability to move around the country

00:43:48.400 as we wish live where we want and so you'll still have that ability to move you'll be able to you'll be

00:43:53.840 a christian this is the whole like i don't know how you would why would define the the movement as

00:44:02.240 a white christian nationalist movement marty when i see that it just is and you want to try and argue

00:44:08.720 with you that it's not more wrong by large how what what part of what i'm saying come sit with

00:44:16.640 come canvas with me i pull out my pickup truck and i go park it on the side of the highway and i've

00:44:21.440 been collecting signatures i've been doing it for seven days in a row now and i collect 40 or 50

00:44:25.600 signatures and there i cannot put my finger on the demographic of who's signing it's it's it's

00:44:31.600 trades people it's professionals it's old people it's young people it's immigrants i could if i was

00:44:38.240 allowed to i would read the names off the petition sheet that i have right now and you would be absolutely

00:44:43.360 blown away at who's signing that i've had it it is what percentage of immigrants would you have

00:44:49.200 citing that marty okay when i see the photos of the meetings and all the rest of it i don't see a

00:44:55.280 signal you're looking at it with your eyes closed you're looking at it with your eyes closed i walked

00:45:01.120 the crowds i walked the crowd hey the i walked the crowd we showed you guys the video and you guys are

00:45:07.840 putting the blinders on you are you are in absolute denial of what's going on come see it with your own

00:45:13.040 eyes man come see it with your own eyes marty i see the videos though i see it brother like

00:45:17.680 are you so are you trying to tell me that there's a diverse group of canadians yes cheering on

00:45:23.360 succession of alberta yes card game no no no no i'm gonna call horses on that i'm gonna i i'm gonna

00:45:33.680 share a rural term with you because i grew up around horses a whole bunch i'm gonna call horses on that

00:45:37.520 one mark okay i will go out of my way then to keep producing videos and putting up videos because

00:45:44.800 that's what i do i sit there at the canvassing location and i keep asking people three questions

00:45:50.240 three simple questions why are you signing uh what do you say to people who think that this is a fringe

00:45:55.760 movement and what do you want to say to carney i'm collecting all the what do you want to say to carney

00:46:00.160 and that's going to be an awesome video because albertans are absolutely you guys are going to wake

00:46:04.560 up and you're going to be shocked when there's when there's a million signatures on that petition you

00:46:08.800 guys are going to g if there's a million let me ask you change your tune no nothing will change my

00:46:14.560 tune you have no right to leave the country but let me ask you this what percentage of those who

00:46:19.840 want alberta to succeed that you're signing up and stuff what percentage of those individuals

00:46:24.720 would be trump supporters in your opinion um i don't know if they're trump supporters but i've asked

00:46:31.280 a few of them uh if they prefer independence as a country or join in the u.s and joining the u.s is

00:46:37.200 like almost a big fat zero so i i know you're trying to go there but there's no problem that

00:46:43.280 joining the u.s would solve that we can't solve on our own do you really think that i want to join

00:46:48.720 the u.s and be a teeny weeny little state farther from washington than i am currently from uh from

00:46:56.320 ottawa like it solves no problem the only the only thing that would be advantageous to joining the u.s

00:47:01.040 would be perhaps their their economic powerhouse and temporarily adopting their dollar and the umbrella of

00:47:06.640 security that they provide from defense but there's no there's no solution that we can't

00:47:11.120 come up on our own the problems that we have with confederation that's not the point that i'm making

00:47:15.040 though marty but the point that i'm making is the question you ask and the answer is nobody wants to

00:47:19.840 join the u.s session it's it's the by and large this movement that you're part of is a white christian

00:47:25.600 nationalist movement and i know for sure david parker embraces that and pushes that in a huge way

00:47:31.760 and there's nothing you can say to to to change my mind on that mega is a white christian nationalist

00:47:37.840 movement at its base and so is what the only in alberta i i will say this i will say this i i think

00:47:46.160 you're wrong on that one but i will say this there probably is more albertans who who are like me who

00:47:51.360 appreciate what trump is doing for his country than than ontarians because it albertans and you're you're

00:47:59.600 close as a as a manitoban we live a different history what the history of of of the prairies and

00:48:07.200 the and the u.s is different than the history of ontario and and new york and boston and the states

00:48:13.360 there so i do say i have more in common with my american counterparts with people in texas and

00:48:19.360 and oklahoma than i do with people in the maritimes so perhaps yeah for that reason there is

00:48:24.880 before marty i've seen you make that point before hang on one second there hang on one second there's

00:48:29.040 a kinship with the u.s and we also like trump because trump's not a like trump likes us and

00:48:34.720 we like him because he buys our oil we do business together we don't antagonize each other whereas you

00:48:40.320 guys through carney and doug ford are antagonizing trump so of course it's it's all rubbed up but we

00:48:46.800 don't antagonize you guys gave a when when trump wasn't even elected yet and danielle smith was going

00:48:52.480 into the u.s and meeting trump you guys were like she's not on team canada my god like like you want

00:48:58.880 us you you want politicians to do what they're supposed to do and then you don't want them to

00:49:02.240 do so danielle smith built a relationship with the u.s and consequently and donald trump and he's not

00:49:07.040 there's no animosity to us and you guys have animosity and you wonder why doug ford does the

00:49:12.560 commercial during the super bowl mocking the americans ah come on so like marty marty anyone you guys are

00:49:19.680 trying to talk about the united states of america like we we are we are responding to the antagonism

00:49:27.440 of donald trump which is world renowned marty but it seems to somehow fly past you or through you

00:49:33.120 like the the amount of lying the man does the threat and the lack of stability that he's got the entire

00:49:39.280 globe laughs at donald trump but yet you and it seems like the your circle embraces donald trump and yet

00:49:46.880 he's one of the most vile individuals on this planet who is donald trump has done nothing

00:49:53.040 donald trump has done nothing bad to me donald trump is buying four million barrels of oil from

00:49:57.520 alberta it's like no no he's done great the united states of america not the entire world is laughing

00:50:02.000 at trump go ask the people in venezuela how much they go ask the p like the united states of america

00:50:07.840 there's a peace deal there's a peace deal in the middle resources of alberta what's that now you're

00:50:13.600 gonna now you're gonna tout his his wars stopping ability and all the rest of it you're you're into

00:50:19.600 it up to your ears huh with them well you know what you're embracing as well marty you're embracing

00:50:25.200 you're bracing looking with my eyes and i can formulate an opinion on my own files i can formulate

00:50:30.320 an so then how do you how do you how do you accept the whole epstein thing marty and how do you

00:50:35.360 tell me that the epstein thing doesn't bother me i don't care i'm not on why do you care about epstein

00:50:41.840 because carney's on the list 69 times you want to go down that path you have four no you you want

00:50:46.960 the facts get the facts well then you have four kids if you want to go down the path of protecting

00:50:54.400 children then then you should be ashamed of yourself for voting for the liberals who keep

00:50:59.280 uh promoting uh this transgenderism like come on man like you're going epstein 0.97

00:51:05.200 epstein is dead and it's an island and it's something that happened 20 years ago and it 0.54

00:51:08.800 doesn't affect me epstein doesn't affect you and it doesn't affect me it doesn't affect you if you

00:51:13.600 want to protect children it doesn't affect you should read critical of the liberals not epstein

00:51:18.240 when we were kids when we were kids you're deflecting we i'm not deflecting marty you're totally

00:51:26.800 i'm gonna let troy respond and then we're gonna move on when we were kids marty when we were kids and i

00:51:31.360 find it really sad that the generations and i think it's mostly gen x and and certainly gen z here

00:51:37.920 but when we were kids marty we heard about people who it has it's not affecting me and they just let

00:51:44.080 it happen right and the never again that whole the that that whole notion of an authoritarian type rule 0.98

00:51:50.400 and individuals see now you're being a hypocrite because what now you're being a hypocrite because 0.97

00:51:54.960 earlier you told now you're being a shut up mark because earlier yeah but earlier you said you 0.99

00:52:00.400 don't care because but for you for you to just brush aside the epstein portion of donald trump's soul

00:52:07.920 and all of his pathological line which is undeniable go down the record insurrection okay guys moving up 0.81

00:52:13.920 you are ridiculous sad if you want to get bad back to that at the end you can um i let you go quite a bit

00:52:20.240 longer there because i i cut i cut one of the segments because it was getting a bit redundant 0.84

00:52:24.560 you had already talked about it so this will be our final segment um and i'll give you a little

00:52:29.200 extra time in this as well and we're going to take a look at albert's future here um this question was

00:52:34.400 originally for troy but since he started with the last one um i will go to you marty let's say we have

00:52:41.280 an independence referendum and it fails should canada still seek to address separatist

00:52:48.240 dissatisfaction with confederation and if so how can that be done i would hope so i mean if it

00:52:56.000 if it fails you're talking very you know practically not getting the vote but if if we get to a

00:53:01.680 referendum that's still it's still a it's still a symptom that there's something wrong so so i would

00:53:07.520 hope that if we have a referendum but it doesn't get the majority that that ottawa and maybe the other

00:53:12.000 provinces will have a wake-up call and try and fix confederation i still don't think it can be fixed

00:53:17.040 because there's been those attempts you know we had meech lake and we had other accords uh charlottetown

00:53:22.320 accord and and the the the the playing field is not even and then the east is getting a huge

00:53:30.240 advantage and they don't want to open that constitutional accord and they don't want to

00:53:34.240 eliminate the equalization formula they don't want to give the ottawa and ottawa doesn't want to give

00:53:38.320 powers back to the provinces so um yeah short answer it will send a message but uh well actually the

00:53:46.560 interesting thing is i think before the end of the year alberta will probably have a referendum and

00:53:51.680 quebec will elect a uh separatist government again the pq is going to get elected in quebec so i maybe

00:53:58.000 maybe there will be a huge wake-up call for the country and maybe we will sit down and have a

00:54:03.760 constitutional debate but i'm not hopeful troy you want to go ahead and respond i think when this fails

00:54:12.800 that there'll be a celebration for canadians to some degree and certainly with our proud brothers

00:54:18.560 and sisters in alberta that want to stay in canada and hopefully there's no truly negative

00:54:26.880 things any sort of um strong revolts or anything like that with the separatists that want to separate

00:54:33.200 and then their dreams get squashed and that sort of thing and then i think it's very important and as

00:54:37.040 marty brought up the the flames that are burning with uh separatism or uh separating from canada

00:54:43.520 still alive at bebec i think it's very important that we live in a time right now that is in this

00:54:49.520 hemisphere the most uh the most turmoil exists now since world war ii and i think it's very important

00:54:56.240 that canada takes steps and takes measures because we cannot be a strong stable nation until the option

00:55:02.880 for provinces to leave is extinguished and changed and i think the laws need to be addressed we have

00:55:08.080 all kinds in this day and age of disinformation we have foreign entities that are playing major roles

00:55:15.200 in influencing thought creating all kinds of trouble on social media platforms that are unregulated where

00:55:21.200 disinformation runs wild and all the rest of it we have uh putin a very hostile russia trump very

00:55:27.600 hostile america that canada needs to protect itself i believe so i think that the laws need to be

00:55:33.600 rewritten so that it can happen again and hopefully things can move forward where all these different

00:55:38.880 beautiful distinctive parts canada can work together come together to operate more effectively more

00:55:44.640 efficiently and for anyone who is a marty's ilk who is truly upset and and angry you can either leave

00:55:51.040 the country or you can get involved at the governmental level within the framework of canada and try to make

00:55:57.520 change that way marty go ahead which is what we're doing we're getting involved within the existing

00:56:05.120 framework the constitution this clarity act and and other things say that we're allowed to do what

00:56:10.240 we're doing so i am getting involved i know you don't like it but citizens of alberta are getting

00:56:14.880 involved but at the end of the day i find your comment absolutely incredible like rather than find out

00:56:20.720 why a group of citizens in alberta or quebec are unhappy and perhaps addressing their unhappiness and

00:56:26.880 fixing what's wrong with the constitution your solution is let's just tighten it down and let's

00:56:31.680 not let those get out of here let's prevent them from getting pissed off even though they're pissed

00:56:36.560 off let's prevent them from voicing their opinion and if they're really pissed off they can just get

00:56:40.960 the hell out like that's such a that is such a draconian way to think about the problem like you've

00:56:47.520 literally not asked anybody why we're pissed off you're just like you're pissed off but you shouldn't 0.95

00:56:52.960 be pissed off and i don't and and i'm not going to allow you to be pissed off you're literally you 0.93

00:56:57.520 were literally the kind of guy that if your neighbors who've been married for 20 years and

00:57:01.680 the girl said the wife or the husband said i'm fed up i'm being abused i want out of this relationship

00:57:07.040 you'd be like nope you can't get out because the law doesn't allow it that's what you would do you

00:57:12.400 would make the laws you literally are the kind of guy who would repeal the divorce laws in this

00:57:16.880 country that's interesting that's fascinating and and your analogy makes as much common

00:57:22.800 in a typical liberal you do not like you you your solution is more force and more and take away the

00:57:30.720 i mean you even said it you're pissed off that we're selfish you call us selfish and you call us

00:57:35.680 uh treasonous spoiled and it was spoiled and treasonous spoiled sure spoiled and and so we're

00:57:42.160 spoiled and your answer to the us being perceived as spoiled is i'm just gonna make it impossible

00:57:49.200 for you to voice your concern wow that's that's interesting no marty thanks for coming out your

00:57:54.320 concern and battling to leave the nation are two totally different things we've been voicing our

00:57:59.520 concern for a hundred years see this hat here it says 1905 we've been voicing our concern since 1905

00:58:07.120 but if you look at the map of canada there's this little triangle in the corner we have a disparate by

00:58:12.000 the way we have a disproportionate amount of seats we're not represented statistically we are

00:58:17.120 disproportionately represented we got a bum deal we have 34 seats in the house of common whereas

00:58:22.160 maritimes have like 34 but we have three times the population so even if but even if it was

00:58:28.320 proportionate you draw a little triangle of montreal toronto and ottawa there's 25 million people in

00:58:33.600 there there's 30 million people out east and they keep voting for things that they care about

00:58:38.000 and they push them on the rest of us they don't like guns in ontario and quebec

00:58:42.160 and and consequently i'm not allowed to have guns they want electric vehicles because they they believe

00:58:47.120 in this uh net zero and i'm forced to to suffer those consequences so the whole country is messed up

00:58:54.720 and we've been fighting since 1905 to get out the separatist movement is not new canadians have been

00:59:00.240 ignoring us and finally this one is taking root and we're really really pissed off and so you guys are

00:59:06.320 going to have to deal with the consequences and people who know know that it's bad for canada

00:59:10.640 because it will break up canada but i didn't break up canada you guys did by constantly abusing us

00:59:17.200 you know the consequences are probably gonna go out like a little burning brush fire when you guys end

00:59:24.080 up with 30 of the vote now 1905 what's what the ironic thing here marty is in 1905 the same way that

00:59:32.480 you view going up to thames and indian individuals are helping you a french canadian going to alberta

00:59:38.560 in 1905 probably wouldn't have been embraced so much there like there's a whole that's a very i

00:59:43.360 noticed when you talk about this you're damn right you know damn well that's right if a french individual 0.77

00:59:49.440 strolled into alberta in 1905 they would have the exact same views as you as you do of the indian

00:59:55.840 there's a tim hortons there's no you could say that about maybe maybe the indians were concerned

01:00:02.960 about the english and the french coming but uh but the english weren't concerned about the french

01:00:07.200 coming because they both came at the same time and by the way there's a mountain in the in jasper

01:00:11.760 park called mount belanger which is one of my ancestors and he was a guy in this country in the

01:00:16.240 in 1822 so we've been here a long time side by side with the natives and we had a pretty strong

01:00:22.080 relationship my so anyways that's a that's a different story but um yeah hey troy kudos thanks

01:00:29.520 for coming out man i mean i was hoping you would do a sales pitch on why we should stay but now i see

01:00:35.840 that you really um yeah you you you really don't want us to leave but you don't want to listen to us

01:00:44.080 of why we're concerned and you want to force us to stay which is a very interesting concept it's uh

01:00:48.800 that doesn't seem very democratic to me but

01:00:52.080 troy we'll give you 30 seconds to respond and then we'll close it off for the evening

01:00:55.600 i'm all ears for listening to discontent of what right now is a super minority in alberta of

01:01:02.560 individuals mostly white men from what we're seeing there's this group of individuals that uh

01:01:08.800 that support donald trump that are really unhappy with the immigration coming in that are christian by

01:01:14.560 nature and there's just there's some level of discontentment anger there and i i struggle to

01:01:19.280 understand the level of anger at what it is but hey man we see it in the states right now as well

01:01:24.720 so i it's and it's a global thing a little bit right now so i i struggle to understand it but i'm

01:01:29.520 all ears i hope that wherever this is going that alberta ends up staying and i hope that all those

01:01:34.960 that are truly discontent and unhappy in alberta can that there could be ways found so that ultimately

01:01:41.120 all those individuals and their families and children generations to come can grow up as proud

01:01:45.440 canadians gentlemen thank you so much for your time today i really appreciate both of you coming

01:01:50.960 out and sharing your perspective and also huge thank to james who really pulled us all together

01:01:55.120 on the technical side of things so hopefully we can do this again sometime soon thanks everyone have

01:01:59.360 a great evening thank you james thank you appreciate it thanks guys

The Critical Compass Podcast - February 13, 2026

FIGHT： The Heated Debate over Alberta's Independence

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