The Critical Compass Podcast - September 20, 2023


Interaction with Antifa, counter-protesters, and Edmonton Police at the #yeg #1MillionMarch4Children


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Length

9 minutes

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Word count

1,954

Sentence count

197

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Misogyny

2

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Toxicity

1

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In this episode, we talk about the anti-police protest and the issues surrounding photography in public spaces. We also talk about who should and should not be allowed to be on both sides of the protest and how to handle the situation.

Transcript

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00:00:00.000 To both sides.
00:00:02.000 I'm not allowed to go on both sides?
00:00:04.000 I'm not allowed to go on both sides.
00:00:06.000 You're in a public place.
00:00:08.000 Yeah.
00:00:09.000 You're protesting in public.
00:00:10.000 And I'm in a public place doing exactly what I'm doing.
00:00:12.000 Why aren't you proud to be representing your cause?
00:00:14.000 I don't know.
00:00:16.000 Can you not take pictures of people's faces?
00:00:18.000 Well, I can't even see your face.
00:00:20.000 Cool. That's good.
00:00:22.000 Hey, don't touch me.
00:00:24.000 People are asking you not to take pictures of them.
00:00:26.000 Then they should be out somewhere other than a public place, I suppose.
00:00:28.000 Alrighty, everybody.
00:00:30.000 Anybody who is leaving early,
00:00:32.000 please come this way.
00:00:34.000 We are now leaving with us for the peacekeeper.
00:00:38.000 You need to go back on that side.
00:00:42.000 This is perfect. This is so good.
00:00:44.000 Back on that side, please.
00:00:46.000 Back on that side, please.
00:00:48.000 This is so good.
00:00:50.000 Get your hands off of me. 1.00
00:00:52.000 Get your hands off of me. 1.00
00:00:54.000 Go away. You're gonna push me into the road?
00:00:56.000 Well, you're on the road.
00:00:58.000 I'm not doing anything here.
00:01:00.000 You're the one touching me, dude.
00:01:06.000 I'll go with that.
00:01:08.000 Can you?
00:01:10.000 Hello.
00:01:11.000 How much of police?
00:01:12.000 Thank you.
00:01:13.000 We're gonna come chat with you, okay?
00:01:15.000 Me?
00:01:16.000 Yeah.
00:01:17.000 We're gonna chat with you over here.
00:01:18.000 Okay.
00:01:19.000 I'm gonna keep recording if you don't mind.
00:01:21.000 Yep.
00:01:22.000 Or are they fine?
00:01:25.000 I don't know if you talked to Pranita.
00:01:26.000 She's the organizer and stuff for this side.
00:01:28.000 No.
00:01:29.000 But, uh...
00:01:30.000 The plan was, she said for her group and stuff,
00:01:33.000 was to stay on your guys' side.
00:01:35.000 They're gonna stay on their side.
00:01:36.000 Well, I'm not on his side.
00:01:37.000 I'm just taking pictures.
00:01:38.000 Oh, okay. Yeah.
00:01:39.000 But you clearly are on the side,
00:01:41.000 because you're trying to interject yourself in there.
00:01:43.000 They don't want you there.
00:01:45.000 How do you mean interject?
00:01:46.000 I'm not doing anything.
00:01:48.000 I wasn't even speaking to them.
00:01:49.000 You're walking on the edge of the group.
00:01:50.000 They were pushing me onto the road.
00:01:52.000 Yeah.
00:01:53.000 But they don't even know what I represent or what I think.
00:01:57.000 Which is fine.
00:01:58.000 The reality is that you've been seen coming from all of you.
00:02:02.000 Yeah.
00:02:03.000 I started there and I'm ending here.
00:02:05.000 Okay, so...
00:02:06.000 The whole point is,
00:02:07.000 whether...
00:02:08.000 If you're not on anybody's side,
00:02:09.000 we've asked those people and stuff,
00:02:10.000 because there is a bunch of them and stuff
00:02:12.000 that you're putting up signs for love
00:02:13.000 and saying it doesn't matter,
00:02:15.000 just love everybody.
00:02:16.000 Cool.
00:02:17.000 Go to that side and stuff,
00:02:18.000 so that we're...
00:02:19.000 Because we don't want you guys to get...
00:02:21.000 If you...
00:02:22.000 Again, if you're not for anybody,
00:02:24.000 you're just for that type of stuff,
00:02:26.000 we don't want you to get confused with that side,
00:02:29.000 this side,
00:02:30.000 and then there could be an altercation.
00:02:31.000 The whole part...
00:02:32.000 Well, there's no altercations on that side.
00:02:34.000 So far.
00:02:35.000 Yeah.
00:02:36.000 That's what we're trying to avoid.
00:02:37.000 I was here for like five minutes taking pictures of people.
00:02:40.000 Yeah.
00:02:41.000 And they just...
00:02:42.000 They just made an assumption that I was against them
00:02:44.000 and pushed me onto the road.
00:02:45.000 Okay.
00:02:46.000 And that...
00:02:47.000 And again, you're saying...
00:02:48.000 Like, do you think that that's acceptable behaviour though?
00:02:50.000 Both sides are supposed to...
00:02:51.000 I was not pushed onto the road
00:02:52.000 when I was taking pictures of people over there.
00:02:54.000 Okay.
00:02:55.000 And they said that I can't be taking pictures of them
00:02:57.000 even though they're in a public space, like...
00:02:59.000 The picture of part isn't what we're debating.
00:03:01.000 I don't know.
00:03:02.000 You can take pictures and you can take videos.
00:03:04.000 Well, I know that.
00:03:05.000 But I mean, that was the reason why they were pushing me off the road.
00:03:08.000 Yeah.
00:03:09.000 Because they were saying that I'm not allowed to take pictures of them.
00:03:11.000 And that's why we interjected and stuff.
00:03:13.000 Because clearly they think that you're part of the other group
00:03:15.000 and we don't want to see an altercation.
00:03:17.000 Yeah, I don't want to either.
00:03:18.000 I don't want them...
00:03:19.000 I just think it's incredible that they could make an assumption like that
00:03:22.000 as if they knew anything about me from just taking pictures.
00:03:24.000 Yeah.
00:03:25.000 And again, we don't have an issue with the pictures.
00:03:27.000 But once they've identified you as somebody that they don't want within the group,
00:03:31.000 I don't want that agitation because I don't want all of a sudden
00:03:33.000 you to be getting sucked into a crowd or anything.
00:03:36.000 Yeah, I understand that.
00:03:37.000 I want you to be safe at the end of the day.
00:03:38.000 So again, if you are, like you say, just a neutral party.
00:03:41.000 We have neutral parties over there and stuff.
00:03:44.000 That group's over there.
00:03:46.000 This group is over here.
00:03:47.000 That way all the groups kind of stay away from each other.
00:03:49.000 We're not running into interactions that are going to end up
00:03:52.000 with any type of police needing to try to interject.
00:03:56.000 Yeah, that's fine.
00:03:57.000 When it gets to that point, chaos ensues and people get hurt.
00:04:01.000 I understand that.
00:04:02.000 I just don't know that it's acceptable for them to cordon off a piece of public property
00:04:09.000 and say that some people can't be there.
00:04:11.000 And actually you're enforcing that too.
00:04:13.000 So I don't...
00:04:14.000 Like is there a legal precedence for that?
00:04:16.000 No.
00:04:17.000 So the whole point, like if you want to go surfing into the crowd,
00:04:20.000 you're welcome to.
00:04:22.000 Our job in our role is to try to maintain the piece as much as we can.
00:04:27.000 So would you be willing to escort me then
00:04:30.000 to taking pictures and video of this side?
00:04:32.000 Not whatsoever.
00:04:33.000 They've always been clearly made it so that this is their group.
00:04:37.000 They're supporting their class.
00:04:38.000 Same with the other side.
00:04:40.000 Both leaders and stuff are trying to manage their people as much as possible
00:04:44.000 to keep it as peaceful as possible.
00:04:46.000 But...
00:04:47.000 If you agree though that this is...
00:04:49.000 Like regardless of what's happening right now, this is still public property, no?
00:04:52.000 It's still public property and stuff.
00:04:54.000 But what you choose to do may have consequences, right?
00:04:57.000 If you go into a crowd...
00:04:58.000 If I choose to take pictures or video of people in public, that can have consequences?
00:05:02.000 If somebody decides to make a poor choice and do something and we're not, then yes.
00:05:07.000 Well then you're here to protect me, I suppose.
00:05:09.000 I'm not going to be going with you into the crowd.
00:05:11.000 That's fine.
00:05:12.000 So I'm going to go back there then?
00:05:14.000 If you go back there, that's your choice.
00:05:16.000 If something happens and we're not, you're part of the problem.
00:05:19.000 You would be instigating their problem.
00:05:21.000 What would I be instigating by taking pictures of videos of people protesting in public?
00:05:25.000 Because you're well aware of the fact that they don't want you there.
00:05:28.000 And you're continuing to instigate.
00:05:30.000 It would be no different if you're shouting at them.
00:05:32.000 But I'm not shouting.
00:05:33.000 I'm not saying anything to them.
00:05:34.000 I'm not saying that you are.
00:05:35.000 I'm saying it would be no different, right?
00:05:37.000 If you're shouting at them, if you're instigating anything...
00:05:40.000 But it would be different because they would be the instigators though.
00:05:43.000 If you're only at the phone in somebody's face or whatever, it instigates people.
00:05:46.000 Right?
00:05:47.000 People don't like it.
00:05:48.000 Well then they can go.
00:05:49.000 But that doesn't mean that you're...
00:05:51.000 It's not okay for you to videotape or anything like that.
00:05:54.000 So you're...
00:05:55.000 I'm just trying to get it straight.
00:05:56.000 I'm sorry I'm not understanding.
00:05:58.000 You're saying that me taking pictures and videos of people protesting in public, obviously
00:06:03.000 with a message to spread, then that would be instigating them and I can't be...
00:06:07.000 You can't be responsible for anything that happens to me in that case.
00:06:10.000 No.
00:06:11.000 So, if they make a free choice and they were to harm you, that is criminal.
00:06:16.000 That being said, I would prefer not to see that happen.
00:06:20.000 Right?
00:06:21.000 Likewise.
00:06:22.000 There's a difference between tripping into a criminal act and then just sitting there and instigating.
00:06:26.000 The instigating isn't criminal.
00:06:27.000 I'm not going to stop you if you want to go into my crowd.
00:06:29.000 It's not criminal.
00:06:30.000 You are allowed to go and do that.
00:06:32.000 But if something happens, you can't look at me and tell you why didn't you stop this from happening in the first place.
00:06:37.000 I'm telling you, if you go into that crowd and you instigate, something could happen.
00:06:42.000 Oh yeah, I'm not going to be instigating anything.
00:06:44.000 And I'm trying to tell you, in order to prevent that from happening, this is what you should probably do.
00:06:50.000 Should you choose to not follow that, that's your choice at the end of the day.
00:06:54.000 And if you go and do that and something happens, that was your choice.
00:06:58.000 Right?
00:06:59.000 If the criminal act happens, yeah, we'll have to deal with it.
00:07:02.000 But we'll have to deal with it depending on how the crowd is in a different manner.
00:07:08.000 I'm not going to be able to wade into the middle of the crowd all of a sudden.
00:07:12.000 Or maybe even be able to see you if something happens and be able to safely get you out of there.
00:07:17.000 It's going to take some time, right?
00:07:19.000 Do you think it's a little weird that we're having this conversation?
00:07:22.000 The whole point of us being here is to keep in peace.
00:07:27.000 So that's why we're here, is to have these conversations.
00:07:30.000 But do you think it's a little bit interesting that there's about maybe a third of the people that are on that side?
00:07:36.000 And I was there for about 15 minutes and not a mean word was said.
00:07:41.000 And I come over here and I'm being pushed into the road.
00:07:44.000 I'm not here for either side.
00:07:45.000 But don't you think that's an interesting thing to note that there's about three times the amount of people over there
00:07:49.000 and I haven't had to talk to a police officer once?
00:07:53.000 If that's something that's good and that's wonderful, at the end of the day, our purpose here is to make sure people stay safe.
00:07:59.000 I hope so, yeah. That's good. That's good. I hope they do.
00:08:02.000 Again, if you so choose to go back to the crowd, I wanted to have a quick chat with you.
00:08:07.000 That's your choice.
00:08:08.000 And let you know what the kind of plan was for both sides.
00:08:11.000 Again, if you are that neutral party and stuff, we've talked to a bunch of neutral parties that are here today protesting both protests.
00:08:17.000 And if that's the case, cool.
00:08:20.000 Again, you're allowed to do so.
00:08:22.000 But if you go from one side to the other, they may identify you as somebody that's supposed to go to the other side.
00:08:28.000 Vice versa, something may happen and stuff too.
00:08:30.000 Just be aware.
00:08:32.000 If you're here to do the neutral thing or whatever, maybe it's a better idea to be over there.
00:08:36.000 And again, should you choose to go in there, just be aware of what could happen or whatever idea of it.
00:08:42.000 And that, again, if you wade into the crowd, we may not be able to get you for a while.
00:08:48.000 I just have a hard time believing that if somebody from this side who is maybe just taking pictures, didn't have a sign or a flag or anything, walked over to that side,
00:08:55.000 I have a hard time believing that that crowd would push them into the road and tell them they can't be there.
00:09:00.000 And my point here today or whatever is this spot, I haven't been on that side so I can't speak to them.
00:09:04.000 You should give it a shot. It's a little bit different.
00:09:06.000 But anyway, thank you for your time. Appreciate it.
00:09:08.000 No problem.
00:09:09.000 Thank you.