The Critical Compass Podcast - December 06, 2024


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In this episode, we discuss diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives and how they are being implemented across government and corporate institutions across the world. What is diversity? What does it mean and how does it work?

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00:00:00.000 okay so mike i've had a observation and i don't know if enough people are talking about kind of
00:00:08.040 the link between mass immigration and dei numbers and my feeling is that we're setting up
00:00:17.620 immigrants to fail and it's being used as justification of further inequities and the
00:00:26.260 need for more dei programs uh do you want to just for anybody who's not up to speed do you want to
00:00:32.560 define dei and kind of where these initiatives are being implemented in and like and how they work so
00:00:42.040 yeah yeah so uh yeah so dei is uh as most people know it and use that acronym in that order diversity
00:00:49.400 equity and inclusion uh i mean most i suppose governments at least okay well let's limit it
00:00:55.840 to our stupid government uh defines it as uh um well generally diversity is going to refer to 0.94
00:01:02.880 a diversity of um the most obvious physical traits of somebody uh equity being usually uh referring to 0.99
00:01:13.320 like um i think probably most people refer to in like um a gender base a sex base aspect you know
00:01:20.400 if it's uh equitable hiring practices for example between men and women uh inclusivity god that can
00:01:28.360 mean anything can't it and i think that's kind of the point uh but yeah i mean we've seen these sort
00:01:33.880 of initiatives kind of infiltrate everywhere from you know started in the universities and sort of
00:01:38.760 expanded outwards into uh well every government program uh every um essentially every corporate hr
00:01:48.980 structure uh every uh banking institution every um even you see it in like um you know you see
00:01:58.520 even sports teams trying to implement these things into their like you know um their head offices and
00:02:05.280 stuff you know you can't really you know you're not going to really have much luck in an nhl team to
00:02:10.280 you know have equitable uh player uh sex distributions in your team so i guess you can maybe apply it in your
00:02:17.100 back end but so is that equality of outcome or is that equality of opportunity yeah so that's there's
00:02:24.080 the problem right there so people don't understand what the difference between the two is uh if you're
00:02:28.620 if you're providing uh an equal opportunity to somebody you have you have two people they're trying
00:02:35.120 to apply for a position they put forward their credentials and you choose the best candidate based on
00:02:41.460 there you know some combination of experience or uh credentials of some type or um you know whatever
00:02:48.900 factor is important for the position that you're hiring whereas with a dei based framework you're
00:02:56.280 you're coming at it from the back end where you're saying well we know that we want to have
00:03:00.660 this sort of distribution in our employee of black employees versus white employees versus asian
00:03:07.480 employees we know we need uh you know this amount of uh employees who identify as lgbtq plus and then
00:03:14.940 so you hire based on those metrics rather than rather than any sort of natural distribution arising from
00:03:21.840 arising organically does that kind of make sense yeah yeah and the if there is an unequal distribution
00:03:31.140 of whatever they define that as that's used as proof of discrimination yeah yeah rather than it being
00:03:38.960 just some natural occurrence of a uh hey you know what we we live in a uh 70 percent majority white
00:03:46.060 country so yeah it probably would make sense if you know around 70 percent of uh you know your uh
00:03:52.560 university admissions for example are white that would make sense and that's not actually uh that doesn't
00:03:58.300 actually mean you're discriminating against whatever group you want because it's not an even spread
00:04:02.380 it actually makes less sense for it to be an even spread because all that would mean in a country that
00:04:10.580 has a demographic uh distribution of a certain percentage if you see anything that deviates from that
00:04:16.320 with any sort of significance then you can identify that as probably a manipulated number
00:04:22.280 yeah and and and one thing when you're looking at the percentages in a workplace
00:04:28.880 that there's always going to be a lag time so let's say you have a population change in a country
00:04:35.380 um the skill sets of a new population when there is immigration well there's going to be a certain
00:04:45.500 amount that have some skills there's going to be some that are educated some that are less educated
00:04:51.160 there's going to be some who speak english who resonate with the culture there's going to be
00:04:56.680 some that don't speak english very well they're just learning they don't resonate with the culture
00:05:02.200 maybe they feel siloed or they feel most comfortable in kind of their own cultural pockets and they're not
00:05:09.080 really adapting to canadian life as we know it and when you look at this new mix of low skill
00:05:19.420 and um these are just barriers for them succeeding and doing as well as a population that's been established
00:05:29.740 in canada so if you have multiple generations of living in canada you have the network effects of
00:05:37.740 family you have friends you resonate with the culture you have the language you're going to succeed
00:05:43.900 just based on all the advantages that come with a dominant culture i wouldn't expect anybody to go
00:05:50.380 to japan and succeed if they keep on breaking all these taboos that they don't even know they're
00:05:56.380 breaking like that's not going to get you very far like if you're stumbling through the language
00:06:01.980 and you're breaking taboos you're not going to go very far actually that's a that's a that's a really
00:06:07.260 interesting point because it's i was listening to a uh a peter bogosian podcast recently and i can't
00:06:13.100 remember the name of the uh the guest but i'll we'll link it below um and he was saying he was
00:06:18.380 talking about the u.s but the same applies for canada uh there used to be sort of a um like a
00:06:24.780 responsibility placed on an immigrant to to the u.s or to canada to sort of you know canada has the
00:06:32.460 cultural mosaic you know whereas the u.s had the the melting pot but still there was a you know
00:06:37.660 sort of a um an assumption that you would you know kind of live like the locals do you know
00:06:44.380 you'd you'd kind of leave some of that you know you don't need to live exactly as how you lived when
00:06:49.580 in the place that you came from you know you can you can go to the timmy's and hang out and like
00:06:54.700 sure you never had a coffee and donut shop where you came from but you know this is something that
00:06:59.020 canadians do so we can all do this together you know like just that kind of nice flowery 0.94
00:07:02.540 shit right um but he was saying he's like we've we've we've let it erode to such a point where 0.98
00:07:09.740 we've considered that even putting this sort of pressure at all onto new immigrants is racist or is 0.98
00:07:16.220 you know somehow culturally insensitive that like what is the culture that we're left with what is the
00:07:21.080 culture to assimilate into um and so i mean you you have a you have a situation where i don't know
00:07:30.060 how the exactly if the this phrase applies but you know you say it's the saying is like uh cut off
00:07:35.200 your nose to spite your face you know like you've got um you've got a situation where you've been so
00:07:40.200 say lenient or so uh you know wanting to be careful about not being offensive or not being uh you know
00:07:48.100 insensitive in any way to a um to an immigrant population that you put zero uh you know zero
00:07:55.560 pressure on them to acclimate into this new society how are you going to do it now like how do you how
00:08:01.560 do you then all of a sudden say well now we're going to be canadian okay well what does that mean right
00:08:05.580 now yeah you're if you don't put any pressure cultures will be lost and in the case of just take
00:08:14.980 japan is an example great now they're they're very strict and they're very homogenous and they have 1.00
00:08:22.060 pretty strict like if somebody outside who's not born in japan is calling themselves japanese there's
00:08:30.200 a certain level they need to really resonate with the culture and speak the language and just
00:08:36.720 it the threshold for being called japanese is much higher because they've got such a rich and
00:08:43.960 kind of preserved culture and so the cultural side is one thing but it's just when you look at
00:08:52.740 what does it take to succeed in a new place i i think first of all there's a limit to how many
00:09:00.780 people can come at once there's a certain amount of integration that is necessary in any workplace
00:09:08.480 in the way that like you just when you're looking to set up your life and interact with the society
00:09:17.740 there's certain things you need to know you need to know enough customs uh enough rules and enough of
00:09:25.820 the language for for it to just work at a base level and i think the faster you immigrate the more you
00:09:35.140 have you're going to reach a point where you're going to have less and less people integrating well
00:09:40.640 and less people succeeding what that's going to turn into is more and more people in extreme poverty
00:09:49.280 because either there's not enough low skill jobs for them they're all competing for the same jobs
00:09:53.720 not enough housing for them and they're not doing well so if you run the numbers
00:09:57.500 and you're now we're taking the step back to let's look at equity numbers we're looking at different
00:10:05.720 racial groups and we're saying well one group's doing better than another well of course people
00:10:13.760 who've lived in canada for multiple decades are going to look like they're doing exceptionally better
00:10:19.240 than this growing population of marginalized people but is this be are they marginalized
00:10:26.600 because of racism or are we setting them up for failure through a broken immigration system
00:10:34.760 yeah well that and and you're you also have to watch out for selectively manipulated statistics when
00:10:42.160 you look at um when you when you read these sort of uh reports because one thing that we know
00:10:49.400 again this is something i i think it's more in the u.s but i think probably the same or at least
00:10:55.960 similar applies in canada um usually when people are talking about you know a group's not doing as
00:11:03.000 well in in relation to another at least in north america you're talking about uh in relation to
00:11:08.300 white people so white people are used as the benchmark from to to which all other uh races are compared
00:11:14.160 uh but what a lot of people don't you know even factor in is that white people aren't doing the best
00:11:21.460 in in in the u.s probably not in canada asians are chinese people are japanese and you know i think
00:11:30.820 they call it cold climate asians so like the the chinese korean japanese they all in almost every
00:11:37.420 metric score higher in you know in uh education level income level um you can see this going into
00:11:45.000 universities and the results after when they're in workplaces and jobs and yeah so but you would be
00:11:51.860 it would be ridiculous to you know see a uh uh you know a corporate uh dei program uh you know
00:11:58.780 biasing itself so that it doesn't admit more asian people in relation to white people they they would 0.94
00:12:05.640 still probably potentially be considered a uh you know um uh discriminated against class maybe if not a
00:12:13.300 minority class at least you know um so yeah that's uh you know and and and indians aren't far behind in
00:12:19.120 many categories now we've sort of um kind of to your earlier point probably um about there being a limit
00:12:24.860 we've probably overshot that uh specifically with india because immigration from india over the last
00:12:31.620 i think probably 18 months at least 24 months maybe has been wild so so high so with that you know you
00:12:40.440 you obviously um you obviously import you know a certain amount of people who are going to skew those
00:12:45.440 statistics downwards whereas maybe the uh you know indian families who have been in canada for maybe
00:12:50.120 one two or three generations uh by this point have um have also generally exceeded uh the native white
00:12:57.120 population too so i mean i don't know what to say about that yeah it depends on like is your
00:13:04.620 is an immigration system optimized for well are we are we growing canada and we want canada to thrive
00:13:16.340 so it's like is it attracting high skilled and people who want to really resonate with what canada
00:13:23.560 is here or are we bringing in people who are just coming to canada because either you get free stuff
00:13:30.940 free health care or it's a improvement from where they are where they came from yeah well it's almost
00:13:38.700 certainly that it's almost certainly the last point which is which is part of what uh um creates some
00:13:44.700 of these problems with respect to you know that we're seeing nowadays with employment uh because we
00:13:48.820 have um you know i i often hear the argument nowadays of um you know from people saying like well
00:13:54.420 you know we need this we need this sort of immigration to keep our workforce intact because we you know we've
00:14:00.360 been it's sort of one of those like we've been we've been expanding so much with population we need
00:14:05.940 to keep expanding the population in order to support the population that we've expanded to so
00:14:11.500 one of the arguments there is that um well who else is going to work these jobs you know who else is
00:14:18.180 going to work at the you know at the the convenience stores and the tim hortons and all that stuff and
00:14:22.380 it's like well first of all that's you know extremely uh well i mean i would be offended if i were an
00:14:28.560 immigrant and my you know i i was essentially heard in a backhanded way that the only thing i'm good
00:14:33.740 for is serving coffee to native canadians you know but also you on the other side you run into the
00:14:39.920 problem where that argument is is super convincing to somebody who owns a bunch of tim hortons franchises
00:14:46.400 maybe because they know that they'll have a steady stream of people being imported into the country that
00:14:50.960 no matter what you pay them it'll be an automatic upgrade over whatever poverty or slave wages they were
00:14:57.380 earning from where they came so you have a you have a downward pressure on wages which affects
00:15:04.300 the rest of the economy that stacks up on top of that but also then you create a system where
00:15:08.760 it's only these immigrants who are filling these job positions because it's actually the the uh the 0.94
00:15:15.760 corporate talkocracy in a way that is taking advantage of these people yeah you you see these kind of
00:15:23.260 biases in subtle ways and one of them was during the pandemic when we said well we have to shut things
00:15:29.540 down oh but to keep our to keep these essential jobs these dangerous jobs going we have to import 0.99
00:15:38.040 people like we have to have these temporary foreign workers yeah to work these they're to put them in 1.00
00:15:46.440 harm's way when everything else was locked down that was from the perspective of of those who
00:15:51.500 thought it was too dangerous to let canadians work yeah yeah don't worry we'll get foreign temporary 1.00
00:15:58.460 workers to like we'll get some immigrants to to door dash our food to us yeah like what what a what 1.00
00:16:04.660 is what a like just a gross way of thinking about it jay badachari it's called that the laptop class
00:16:10.800 so people who are are lucky enough to have jobs that are primarily you know you can you know you're a you're a
00:16:16.380 corporate employee or some sort of you know you're a salesperson or something who can do a lot of your job
00:16:20.880 from from from a computer we'll just have the the poor immigrants shuttle us our food so that we can 1.00
00:16:26.880 stay safe like yeah it's it's gross man yeah there there is one more uh one more thing to kind of think
00:16:34.660 about is canada's role on the international stage and if we look at what canada's gdp is
00:16:44.900 and you look at the number of people in the world so either is it canada's is it our job in canada's
00:16:57.240 to save everybody let it be letting in people um because we couldn't let's say we let in 40 million
00:17:07.800 people sure we don't give them any ideas james would we be saving exactly would we be saving all
00:17:16.160 those 40 million people or would it just reduce canada's ability to be productive and or would it
00:17:25.260 kind of throw everything into chaos of what we have here right now same thing with does just sending
00:17:31.820 money to places in the current form that we have in things that aren't really creating self-reliance
00:17:39.180 um so let's say you you hand out money to a random country and they're like okay great we just got this
00:17:45.780 money and they just buy something and they haven't actually upgraded either infrastructure or they
00:17:52.020 haven't improved every african country then is what you're saying every african country from the 80s
00:17:58.420 to the early 2000s that we gave money to yeah so if it's if their ability to expand their own
00:18:06.160 productivity hasn't increased then we haven't done anything of net benefit we've just temporarily
00:18:14.440 maybe temporarily delayed a little bit bit of suffering in a way well which is so emblematic of
00:18:21.420 the dei initiative as a in in in practice because it's it feels good it feels good it exists solely to
00:18:31.600 make the the people who are writing the initiatives feel good about themselves and make themselves feel
00:18:37.180 really enlightened and really progressive where in reality you're you're if you're accomplishing
00:18:44.280 anything it's in the negative it's in it's going backwards yeah so it's these things
00:18:50.800 feel good but in reality they don't really have the impact and yeah they don't really have an impact
00:19:00.420 in reality and then when you look at the numbers behind it i feel like these things it just gets very
00:19:09.800 muddy and it can be used to push somebody can use these numbers in any politically convenient way
00:19:18.980 that they choose yeah and i feel like dei and immigration is exactly that and it's going to
00:19:25.940 be used as proof that dei needs to be implemented more and stronger and again that's going to just
00:19:36.280 involve well we need more top-down intervention or we need more funding or we need to redistribute
00:19:43.600 more wealth or we need to restrict certain amount of like certain amount of spots in every job or 0.94
00:19:50.380 um and then when when the the native or the natural born population starts to have more of a vocal
00:19:58.940 opposition to this but wouldn't you know it that too is more evidence that we need stronger dei
00:20:04.380 initiatives to combat racism yeah all those racists speaking up again
00:20:09.080 so it's a self-fulfilling prophecy and it's a circular kind of uh grifting economy in a way
00:20:18.740 no doubt
00:20:19.960 so hopefully hopefully you guys found this uh informative i'm curious in the comments
00:20:29.180 or at the very least depressing yeah depressing well especially right now uh a lot of talk about
00:20:36.000 immigration a lot of pressure put on justin chudeau to to address it which has been under his his watch
00:20:46.820 so we'll see how that unfolds yeah oh well uh we got we get what 11 more months of this so yeah we
00:20:56.060 might have to do some follow-ups and see what see what happens there cool cheers thanks for the chat
00:21:03.840 games yep till the next one
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