Is Mass Immigration to Canada a DEI Scam？ ｜ A Critical Compass Clip
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In this episode, we discuss diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives and how they are being implemented across government and corporate institutions across the world. What is diversity? What does it mean and how does it work?
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okay so mike i've had a observation and i don't know if enough people are talking about kind of
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the link between mass immigration and dei numbers and my feeling is that we're setting up
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immigrants to fail and it's being used as justification of further inequities and the
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need for more dei programs uh do you want to just for anybody who's not up to speed do you want to
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define dei and kind of where these initiatives are being implemented in and like and how they work so
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yeah yeah so uh yeah so dei is uh as most people know it and use that acronym in that order diversity
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equity and inclusion uh i mean most i suppose governments at least okay well let's limit it
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to our stupid government uh defines it as uh um well generally diversity is going to refer to
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a diversity of um the most obvious physical traits of somebody uh equity being usually uh referring to
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like um i think probably most people refer to in like um a gender base a sex base aspect you know
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if it's uh equitable hiring practices for example between men and women uh inclusivity god that can
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mean anything can't it and i think that's kind of the point uh but yeah i mean we've seen these sort
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of initiatives kind of infiltrate everywhere from you know started in the universities and sort of
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expanded outwards into uh well every government program uh every um essentially every corporate hr
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structure uh every uh banking institution every um even you see it in like um you know you see
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even sports teams trying to implement these things into their like you know um their head offices and
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stuff you know you can't really you know you're not going to really have much luck in an nhl team to
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you know have equitable uh player uh sex distributions in your team so i guess you can maybe apply it in your
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back end but so is that equality of outcome or is that equality of opportunity yeah so that's there's
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the problem right there so people don't understand what the difference between the two is uh if you're
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if you're providing uh an equal opportunity to somebody you have you have two people they're trying
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to apply for a position they put forward their credentials and you choose the best candidate based on
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there you know some combination of experience or uh credentials of some type or um you know whatever
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factor is important for the position that you're hiring whereas with a dei based framework you're
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you're coming at it from the back end where you're saying well we know that we want to have
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this sort of distribution in our employee of black employees versus white employees versus asian
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employees we know we need uh you know this amount of uh employees who identify as lgbtq plus and then
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so you hire based on those metrics rather than rather than any sort of natural distribution arising from
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arising organically does that kind of make sense yeah yeah and the if there is an unequal distribution
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of whatever they define that as that's used as proof of discrimination yeah yeah rather than it being
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just some natural occurrence of a uh hey you know what we we live in a uh 70 percent majority white
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country so yeah it probably would make sense if you know around 70 percent of uh you know your uh
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university admissions for example are white that would make sense and that's not actually uh that doesn't
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actually mean you're discriminating against whatever group you want because it's not an even spread
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it actually makes less sense for it to be an even spread because all that would mean in a country that
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has a demographic uh distribution of a certain percentage if you see anything that deviates from that
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with any sort of significance then you can identify that as probably a manipulated number
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yeah and and and one thing when you're looking at the percentages in a workplace
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that there's always going to be a lag time so let's say you have a population change in a country
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um the skill sets of a new population when there is immigration well there's going to be a certain
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amount that have some skills there's going to be some that are educated some that are less educated
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there's going to be some who speak english who resonate with the culture there's going to be
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some that don't speak english very well they're just learning they don't resonate with the culture
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maybe they feel siloed or they feel most comfortable in kind of their own cultural pockets and they're not
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really adapting to canadian life as we know it and when you look at this new mix of low skill
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and um these are just barriers for them succeeding and doing as well as a population that's been established
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in canada so if you have multiple generations of living in canada you have the network effects of
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family you have friends you resonate with the culture you have the language you're going to succeed
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just based on all the advantages that come with a dominant culture i wouldn't expect anybody to go
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to japan and succeed if they keep on breaking all these taboos that they don't even know they're
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breaking like that's not going to get you very far like if you're stumbling through the language
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and you're breaking taboos you're not going to go very far actually that's a that's a that's a really
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interesting point because it's i was listening to a uh a peter bogosian podcast recently and i can't
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remember the name of the uh the guest but i'll we'll link it below um and he was saying he was
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talking about the u.s but the same applies for canada uh there used to be sort of a um like a
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responsibility placed on an immigrant to to the u.s or to canada to sort of you know canada has the
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cultural mosaic you know whereas the u.s had the the melting pot but still there was a you know
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sort of a um an assumption that you would you know kind of live like the locals do you know
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you'd you'd kind of leave some of that you know you don't need to live exactly as how you lived when
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in the place that you came from you know you can you can go to the timmy's and hang out and like
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sure you never had a coffee and donut shop where you came from but you know this is something that
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canadians do so we can all do this together you know like just that kind of nice flowery
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shit right um but he was saying he's like we've we've we've let it erode to such a point where
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we've considered that even putting this sort of pressure at all onto new immigrants is racist or is
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you know somehow culturally insensitive that like what is the culture that we're left with what is the
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culture to assimilate into um and so i mean you you have a you have a situation where i don't know
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how the exactly if the this phrase applies but you know you say it's the saying is like uh cut off
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your nose to spite your face you know like you've got um you've got a situation where you've been so
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say lenient or so uh you know wanting to be careful about not being offensive or not being uh you know
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insensitive in any way to a um to an immigrant population that you put zero uh you know zero
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pressure on them to acclimate into this new society how are you going to do it now like how do you how
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do you then all of a sudden say well now we're going to be canadian okay well what does that mean right
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now yeah you're if you don't put any pressure cultures will be lost and in the case of just take
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japan is an example great now they're they're very strict and they're very homogenous and they have
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pretty strict like if somebody outside who's not born in japan is calling themselves japanese there's
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a certain level they need to really resonate with the culture and speak the language and just
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it the threshold for being called japanese is much higher because they've got such a rich and
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kind of preserved culture and so the cultural side is one thing but it's just when you look at
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what does it take to succeed in a new place i i think first of all there's a limit to how many
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people can come at once there's a certain amount of integration that is necessary in any workplace
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in the way that like you just when you're looking to set up your life and interact with the society
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there's certain things you need to know you need to know enough customs uh enough rules and enough of
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the language for for it to just work at a base level and i think the faster you immigrate the more you
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have you're going to reach a point where you're going to have less and less people integrating well
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and less people succeeding what that's going to turn into is more and more people in extreme poverty
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because either there's not enough low skill jobs for them they're all competing for the same jobs
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not enough housing for them and they're not doing well so if you run the numbers
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and you're now we're taking the step back to let's look at equity numbers we're looking at different
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racial groups and we're saying well one group's doing better than another well of course people
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who've lived in canada for multiple decades are going to look like they're doing exceptionally better
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than this growing population of marginalized people but is this be are they marginalized
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because of racism or are we setting them up for failure through a broken immigration system
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yeah well that and and you're you also have to watch out for selectively manipulated statistics when
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you look at um when you when you read these sort of uh reports because one thing that we know
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again this is something i i think it's more in the u.s but i think probably the same or at least
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similar applies in canada um usually when people are talking about you know a group's not doing as
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well in in relation to another at least in north america you're talking about uh in relation to
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white people so white people are used as the benchmark from to to which all other uh races are compared
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uh but what a lot of people don't you know even factor in is that white people aren't doing the best
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in in in the u.s probably not in canada asians are chinese people are japanese and you know i think
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they call it cold climate asians so like the the chinese korean japanese they all in almost every
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metric score higher in you know in uh education level income level um you can see this going into
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universities and the results after when they're in workplaces and jobs and yeah so but you would be
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it would be ridiculous to you know see a uh uh you know a corporate uh dei program uh you know
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biasing itself so that it doesn't admit more asian people in relation to white people they they would
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still probably potentially be considered a uh you know um uh discriminated against class maybe if not a
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minority class at least you know um so yeah that's uh you know and and and indians aren't far behind in
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many categories now we've sort of um kind of to your earlier point probably um about there being a limit
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we've probably overshot that uh specifically with india because immigration from india over the last
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i think probably 18 months at least 24 months maybe has been wild so so high so with that you know you
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you obviously um you obviously import you know a certain amount of people who are going to skew those
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statistics downwards whereas maybe the uh you know indian families who have been in canada for maybe
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one two or three generations uh by this point have um have also generally exceeded uh the native white
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population too so i mean i don't know what to say about that yeah it depends on like is your
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is an immigration system optimized for well are we are we growing canada and we want canada to thrive
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so it's like is it attracting high skilled and people who want to really resonate with what canada
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is here or are we bringing in people who are just coming to canada because either you get free stuff
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free health care or it's a improvement from where they are where they came from yeah well it's almost
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certainly that it's almost certainly the last point which is which is part of what uh um creates some
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of these problems with respect to you know that we're seeing nowadays with employment uh because we
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have um you know i i often hear the argument nowadays of um you know from people saying like well
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you know we need this we need this sort of immigration to keep our workforce intact because we you know we've
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been it's sort of one of those like we've been we've been expanding so much with population we need
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to keep expanding the population in order to support the population that we've expanded to so
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one of the arguments there is that um well who else is going to work these jobs you know who else is
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going to work at the you know at the the convenience stores and the tim hortons and all that stuff and
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it's like well first of all that's you know extremely uh well i mean i would be offended if i were an
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immigrant and my you know i i was essentially heard in a backhanded way that the only thing i'm good
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for is serving coffee to native canadians you know but also you on the other side you run into the
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problem where that argument is is super convincing to somebody who owns a bunch of tim hortons franchises
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maybe because they know that they'll have a steady stream of people being imported into the country that
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no matter what you pay them it'll be an automatic upgrade over whatever poverty or slave wages they were
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earning from where they came so you have a you have a downward pressure on wages which affects
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the rest of the economy that stacks up on top of that but also then you create a system where
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it's only these immigrants who are filling these job positions because it's actually the the uh the
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corporate talkocracy in a way that is taking advantage of these people yeah you you see these kind of
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biases in subtle ways and one of them was during the pandemic when we said well we have to shut things
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down oh but to keep our to keep these essential jobs these dangerous jobs going we have to import
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people like we have to have these temporary foreign workers yeah to work these they're to put them in
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harm's way when everything else was locked down that was from the perspective of of those who
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thought it was too dangerous to let canadians work yeah yeah don't worry we'll get foreign temporary
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workers to like we'll get some immigrants to to door dash our food to us yeah like what what a what
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is what a like just a gross way of thinking about it jay badachari it's called that the laptop class
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so people who are are lucky enough to have jobs that are primarily you know you can you know you're a you're a
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corporate employee or some sort of you know you're a salesperson or something who can do a lot of your job
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from from from a computer we'll just have the the poor immigrants shuttle us our food so that we can
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stay safe like yeah it's it's gross man yeah there there is one more uh one more thing to kind of think
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about is canada's role on the international stage and if we look at what canada's gdp is
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and you look at the number of people in the world so either is it canada's is it our job in canada's
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to save everybody let it be letting in people um because we couldn't let's say we let in 40 million
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people sure we don't give them any ideas james would we be saving exactly would we be saving all
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those 40 million people or would it just reduce canada's ability to be productive and or would it
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kind of throw everything into chaos of what we have here right now same thing with does just sending
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money to places in the current form that we have in things that aren't really creating self-reliance
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um so let's say you you hand out money to a random country and they're like okay great we just got this
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money and they just buy something and they haven't actually upgraded either infrastructure or they
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haven't improved every african country then is what you're saying every african country from the 80s
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to the early 2000s that we gave money to yeah so if it's if their ability to expand their own
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productivity hasn't increased then we haven't done anything of net benefit we've just temporarily
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maybe temporarily delayed a little bit bit of suffering in a way well which is so emblematic of
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the dei initiative as a in in in practice because it's it feels good it feels good it exists solely to
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make the the people who are writing the initiatives feel good about themselves and make themselves feel
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really enlightened and really progressive where in reality you're you're if you're accomplishing
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anything it's in the negative it's in it's going backwards yeah so it's these things
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feel good but in reality they don't really have the impact and yeah they don't really have an impact
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in reality and then when you look at the numbers behind it i feel like these things it just gets very
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muddy and it can be used to push somebody can use these numbers in any politically convenient way
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that they choose yeah and i feel like dei and immigration is exactly that and it's going to
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be used as proof that dei needs to be implemented more and stronger and again that's going to just
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involve well we need more top-down intervention or we need more funding or we need to redistribute
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more wealth or we need to restrict certain amount of like certain amount of spots in every job or
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um and then when when the the native or the natural born population starts to have more of a vocal
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opposition to this but wouldn't you know it that too is more evidence that we need stronger dei
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initiatives to combat racism yeah all those racists speaking up again
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so it's a self-fulfilling prophecy and it's a circular kind of uh grifting economy in a way
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so hopefully hopefully you guys found this uh informative i'm curious in the comments
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or at the very least depressing yeah depressing well especially right now uh a lot of talk about
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immigration a lot of pressure put on justin chudeau to to address it which has been under his his watch
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so we'll see how that unfolds yeah oh well uh we got we get what 11 more months of this so yeah we
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might have to do some follow-ups and see what see what happens there cool cheers thanks for the chat