Mark Carney Liberals, Unhinged Tax & Spend Geopolitics, & the Canadian Immigration Debate
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1 hour and 23 minutes
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Summary
In this episode of The Critical Compass, James and I discuss the current political climate in Canada and how it affects our sense of Canadian identity. We also talk about the recent surge in Canadian nationalism, and how that relates to our political identity.
Transcript
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Well, the liberals and Carney are patting ourselves on the back because of the carbon tax, which is just the consumer part of that.
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It could just be turned back on in any instant.
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And in one breath, the messaging behind that was, well, eight out of 10 Canadians.
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And that was the running message for the longest time.
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Yeah, the average Canadian gets way more back than they pay.
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And now they go ahead and they make this ridiculous post.
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Is the carbon tax something that's not only something that's putting money in Canadians' pockets, as Trudeau has been on record saying, and it's saving the planet?
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Hello, and welcome back to the Critical Compass.
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James, I just wanted to start off this quick episode today.
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But I wanted to point out one thing to get us started.
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You may notice that I'm wearing my Team Canada hat from Four Nations Face Off.
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And I can't help but notice that you're not wearing anything identifiably Canadian.
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So I wonder, does that actually make me a better human being than you with how the current political climate is in Canada?
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Well, I just ate a steak that is locally, a local grass-finished steak.
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You are making the Alberta beef and grass one with yourself.
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Yeah, but I do a poor job of signaling that to the world.
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Well, and the reason I started this episode off with that horrible, horrible joke comment is because, doesn't it seem in the last, I don't know, maybe, well, I guess since February when the original Trump tariff threats actually became real,
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you know, very momentarily, it seems that there's this, like, influx of patriotism that I haven't, I just haven't felt in the last, I don't know, it feels like we went, like, we did a complete 180 from, like, wanting to put, like, unvaccinated people in prison camps and then all of a sudden we're, you know, identifying with our fellow man and we've never been more Canadian.
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Yeah, it's definitely a 180 because even with some friends and family, hearing them during the convoy, I specifically heard with people close to me saying that they felt kind of icky when they would see a Canadian flag.
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It was on so many trucks and it was just the visibility and the association was icky.
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It was like flying a Confederate flag in the U.S. or something, right?
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Which is strange that they would grow to have that association.
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And then contrast that with a few comments, even from Justin Trudeau, saying that Canada is a post-national state with no firm identity, kind of catering to, like, these open doors for all these immigrants, saying, like, well, you don't need to fully disseminate your identities just as Canadian as anybody else's when you come here.
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Yeah, it's, yeah, it's fascinating because it's, you know, I've had this feeling for a while and a couple people on X have articulated this a little bit more eloquently than I'm about to.
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But there's been this feeling for me for a while that, like, Canadians, well, we all kind of know that, you know, for at least, you know, in the time that we've been alive, you know, growing up in the 90s and early 2000s and kind of coming of age in the 2000s, that, like, Canadian politics has always been relatively boring and uneventful, you know, compared to at least to American politics.
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And just simply being the neighbor of such a massive, you know, world power, you can't help but sort of, you know, come into contact with a lot of, you know, cultural artifacts from that.
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And it seems like Canadians, at least for as long as we've been around, have pretty much defined ourselves in opposition to Americans, rather than having like a positive identification as like, what does it mean to be a Canadian?
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A lot of people I know, and a lot of kind of feeling in the cultural zeitgeist of Canadians is that it's like, we just define ourselves by what we're not and what we're not is American, you know, we're, we, we are not like the Americans and how we treat healthcare.
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And we're not like the Americans and how, you know, they're, you know, rude and racist or whatever, like we're, you know, it seems it's, it's always defined in opposition rather than being able to stand on its, on its own merits.
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Yeah, and I think a little bit of that's still happening because as Trump's getting more and more of a spotlight, it's, he's, what he's doing is setting the tone for a lot of these discussions.
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It pops up and now people are discussing that in reaction to what he's saying.
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And I feel like the aversion to anything Trump is partially defining this newfound patriotism.
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It's that we're not Trump and you're seeing this both on the left and the right.
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The federal conservatives have distanced themselves from any, any Trump like comparisons and they're still getting compared to Trump.
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Anyways, so it's not even doing what they're like, what they're hoping it, uh, it will do.
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So again, we're seeing part of our identity is, well, look at how bad the Americans are.
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And we are, we are good because of these reasons that are not American.
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Well, I'll tell you something and say what you want about Trump, but at least somebody elected
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Right now we have, uh, you know, not even just somebody, 68 or 70 million Americans elected
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Uh, a hundred and was it 150,000 registered voters in the liberal party?
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And like of that only a hundred thousand or so ended up casting a ballot, which is suspicious
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This is not about that, but less than 1% of Canadians.
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Less than 1% of Canadians decided on a leader who's an unelected globalist bureaucrat banker.
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So this is somebody with Europe for the last three past three passports.
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We don't know how many days in Canada he was last year.
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Like, yeah, there's some legitimate concern that he's like literally wasn't in Canada long
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enough to be considered even viable as a leadership candidate.
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And, and yet somehow in the, you know, week and a bit since he's been crowned, uh, he's
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like making decisions on funding and, and like, he's making like, he's actually making decisions
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of consequence that like, we're, we're at a time where there's some critical global forces
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requiring some input from our elected officials.
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I mean, I was, I was talking to my, um, my wife about this.
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She's much more, uh, level headed and, and rational than I am.
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But, uh, even she was like gobsmacked that it's like, how is it that we're just like,
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like, we don't have, we, we simultaneously don't have and, and have a prime minister.
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Like I was actually shocked that all the, the major media outlets in Canada are referring
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Like I don't, if it were me, like I would just, I think that the proper title for him
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should only just be like the liberal party leader.
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Cause he's, I feel like you have to have a, you have to be an elected MP to be the, to
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You don't have to be an elected MP to be a leader of a party.
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We know that for, um, for Nenshi in Alberta, he's the leader of the Alberta NDP, but he's
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So I don't understand why we're calling him that.
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They don't even have the assumed confidence of the house.
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That's the other part is it would be a different situation that if you had a majority government
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with a large amount of like a good approval rating and you swapped leaders, you could by
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extension think that like, well, okay, well you still have the will of the people behind
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This shenanigans, and these are political shenanigans, uh, at the expense of what's best for Canadian
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These shenanigans are happening and people are somewhat justifying it.
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These people like didn't even know who Carney was and are surprised like, oh, he's on our
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This, this, he, he was ahead of the bank of Canada and some of them don't even know that.
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Like no one in, you know, no one, no political commentary in Canada is pushing back on this.
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Like, I feel like I honestly feel that like countries have, have had civil unrest and riots
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Is that a, is that a hundred percent Canadian whiskey this time?
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This is in fact, last stream I was drinking bourbon and this one, this actually is, um,
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You'll have some of this when you come over in a couple of days here.
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The, um, I, I wonder how much cheaper you could buy that just by driving across the Southern
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I actually saw a post of that, uh, for a Canadian, I think it was Canadian club.
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Um, they had a, you know, 750 mil Canadian club.
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I think in Ontario and the, and in just across, like in Detroit, it was like $19 us, which,
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you know, I think that, um, exchanges to like 26 or 27 bucks.
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So that ties into, well, the liberals and Carney are patting ourselves on the back because of
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the carbon tax, which is just the consumer part of that.
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It could just be turned back on in any instant.
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And in one breath, the messaging behind that was, well, eight out of 10 Canadians get more
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back than they, yeah, they get more back from the carbon tax.
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And that was the running message for the longest time.
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That the average Canadian gets way more back than they pay.
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And now, and now they go ahead and they, and they make this ridiculous post.
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Are we, is the carbon tax something that's not only something that's putting money in Canadians
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Like we suddenly stopped giving a shit about the environment.
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And we're proud of it according to, according to this post.
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But people are also like the, the common understanding of tariffs is just like, well,
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the, the Americans are, they did a thing and now we pay more.
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Like, well, it's a little more complicated than that.
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Um, but it, if the Americans put a tariff, it's on a good that they buy from Canada and
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And then the assumption is that, well, we would sell less of it because now that price is
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not competitive and they would rather buy locally.
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So the counter tariffs, the it's, it is literally self-harm.
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Um, cause you're, you're trying to punish the American, like American government by forcing
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So we don't have that same kind of vitriolic response to counter tariffs, even though those
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are the tariffs that directly hurt Canadians just trying to buy food.
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Um, so the, the, all the waters are muddy right now because of our common understanding of
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And then we have barriers for interprovincial trade that nobody talks about.
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That's why your example, the liquor South of the border being that much cheaper, that's
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just an arbitrary amount of tax that Canada has put on liquor that the government gets and
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So like, is our anger collectively in Canada placed, is the anger placed in the right place
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Well, people don't like have, that's another thing you were saying about how like, you know,
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They, the average person honestly doesn't have any idea how much, uh, Canada imposes tariffs
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on other countries and, and, and in what, um, uh, like what parts of the economy, like,
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you know, you can kind of understand, like people will kind of know, like the dairy cartel,
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like that term is kind of known, you know, supply management.
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It'll say like over a certain quota, then the tariff gets applied, but that's still, that's
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So, and, and that it actively discourages trade because why, if you were a country trying
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to supply Canada with dairy, you know, why would you want to concern yourself with, oh,
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Well then who are going to be the producers that are going to be allowed to, you know,
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And then once the, once that maximum is reached and the rest is tariffed, how, how do we,
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that, that explains the other producers that also explains why like you'll see 200 grams
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Because it, it's not a Canadian product or some of these things that come from Europe or
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So it's reducing choice and it's putting the burden on the Canadian consumer.
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And we've had a bunch of tariffs in place for many years on the U S that if they have,
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if they have any, uh, reciprocal tariffs, it's often much, much lower percentage.
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Like there's some tariffs that we have, um, you know, in the, on various commodities, like
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you can look this up, you know, aluminum and steel and pulp and shit like that.
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Um, that the, the reciprocal tariff, if it's, you know, in the 10 to 20% or 30% in for
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Canada, uh, our tariffs, the American tariffs are much lower, you know, sometimes two, three,
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So it's, you know, Trump isn't, you know, Trump is Trump, right?
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Like he, he speaks in, in hyperbolic ways to, you know, whatever purpose he thinks he's
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doing, you know, if he's sparking conversation or he's trying to, you know, get, drive a point
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home or, you know, move a conversation along with, you know, uh, exciting speech.
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Um, he does that, but when he says, you know, you know, Canada has been taking advantage of
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us and it's, you know, it hasn't been a fair fight, so to speak.
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I mean, the, the tariffs have been disproportionately higher on our end than theirs.
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And the American tariffs are just one side of things.
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We saw people lose their mind over the Trump tariffs.
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And I think part of that is the collective hate that there is for Trump because of just
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the constant media bombardment of these, these messages.
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Everybody knows off the top of their hand, the examples, we don't have the same collective
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So when the Chinese tariffs came there, there was almost, I was, I saw like no commentary
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on it, not even a fraction of the same emotion.
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It's not being really addressed at a federal level.
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So again, we're not seeing the emotions match with reality because right now it's, it feels
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like there's a certain amount of groupthink and this groupthink is, it's not naturally what
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And often it's a media push or it's a, there has to be some other driving force behind this
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I was trying to think of this of like, Oh, if only I could show my liberal friends or
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family, an example where in the past they believe this and it's completely wrong.
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And I don't think it works that way because the emotions tied into it are the driver.
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And I think it doesn't matter what side you're on.
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Emotions do factor in to a lot of these things.
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And I think we see this, um, with a lot of the response on the right as well with the left,
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So I'm, I'm wondering how do you, how do we have conversations?
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How do we address some of these points and how do we start changing minds when things
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You know, it, it kind of comes back to something we've said on the show a lot and, you know,
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we've talked with other people about a lot about how it really does feel.
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And I understand, you know, of course there's, there is this type of, um, emotional language
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on the right as well in describing the left, but it does seem that it's particularly difficult
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to kind of break through, uh, the emotional weight that the left, that people on the left
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put on politics in the way that it does feel that they truly don't like, honestly, it feels
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like they don't view conservatives as even human, like they, they view them as like, if
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they do view them as human, they view them as like, so, you know, like biblically evil
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that like, how could you even, you know, even, even entertaining, like they, you know, the,
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the left talks a lot about like platforming, right?
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Or, you know, they talk about, um, they do a lot of guilt by association type of, of
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rational, you know, we can't listen to, you know, Jordan Peterson says something about
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anything and you can't even begin to understand, like you can't even begin to listen to the
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argument he's making because he's already been associated with transphobia.
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So how could you listen to what a transphobe has to say about politics?
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Like it's, there's this sort of like really heavily emotionally intertwined, um, uh, baggage
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that surrounds anyone on the right that the left associates with them.
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And it's, it's really hard to bust through that and actually have a conversation on principles
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and, and like on, and on, uh, you know, the, the, just the merits of ideas without kind
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Yeah, I think part of it is the seemingly the, the, there, there is almost a monopoly
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on the left of some of the major institutions that we have, let it be universities, um, and
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HR departments, a lot of companies are leaning more towards the left because of these frameworks.
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And I think that skews people's understanding of how many right-wing people there are.
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And now their, their ideas got kind of get mythologized of like, well, if they imagine
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somebody on the right, they imagine the worst racist that, that they possibly can.
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There, there is, I, I wasn't sure to what degree to go into this, but I think there is
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a link and maybe it's worth unpacking a little bit of, um, our ability to have these discourses,
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I think is partially shaped over the last 70 or so, 70, 80 years, partially based on the
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liberal postwar consensus that any national sentiment is potentially dangerous because
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And right now, conserve, any conservative notion is now being, well, it's either being associated
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with nationalism, even though there's plenty of conservatives that are not even that nationalistic
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in their views or they're, they're still plenty of globalist minded conservatives.
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And I, I feel like it's, um, these ideas are being, they, they get turned into these really
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And where it waters down any meaningful discourse because, well, look at what's happening in
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I've talked with friends and family who, who actually think the Nazis are in power.
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Um, which doesn't align when we're, when we're talking, when we're seeing some of the infighting
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on the right happen exactly over this question, there are many think that the exact opposite
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That like there's, there's Nazis in power, but they just passed legislation, uh, banning
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Um, and I feel like because of the emotional weight behind world war two and how it's been
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such a pillar of how we orientate ourselves in a liberal democracy, it's impossible to unpack
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It's built into a lot of what we consider like the, the foundation of what we've built the
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West on at this point that like, it's a losing battle.
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Like you, you've already lost if you're trying to play the game kind of thing.
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It's that emotion can't be just turned off right away.
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Um, it doesn't take that much in a conversation for people to draw the Hitler or Nazi comparison.
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Um, and it seems like a default, which is it, the more it gets brought up, the more it waters
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down any actual discussion about some of the legitimate atrocities that have happened over
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So it's pointless to bring up, but people still find it useful because it just, it's just
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a shortcut to them saying, well, it's evil and it's replaced Satan.
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Nobody will go around calling it like, well, that person's Satan.
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It doesn't have the same funny enough, doesn't have the same emotional impact.
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They overdid it in the, in the eighties, everything was satanic in the eighties.
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Bring Satan like he like way cooler than Nazis.
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Like at least there's some, I would say if metal, if we're going to bring Satan back, I would
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say the Dave Grohl version of Satan's a pretty good, a pretty, a pretty good image.
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Isn't, isn't, um, isn't Dave Grohl, isn't he dressed up?
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Hey, you know, come here for the politics, stay for the, uh, for the music references.
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Um, yeah, actually a lot of our listeners may not know that we're both, uh, we were both
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musicians before we were, we were both, uh, liberal musicians in the city before we were,
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We should, uh, yeah, we should bring the music out sometime, but, uh, yeah, maybe, maybe for
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Well, so I guess, I guess maybe that leads to, uh, to a good question then.
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Um, the shit show happening in Canada at the moment, and maybe talking on a bit of
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a global, more global, more, um, uh, perhaps imminent scale.
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Um, do you have any thoughts on, um, kind of the rhetoric that's been being spewed the
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last couple of days here about, uh, about Iran and about the Houthis?
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I don't know as much on that side of things, but.
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It's like, how dare Iran build their country so close to all of the Americans air bases?
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Um, so it is a chicken and the egg kind of thing.
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I'm looking for a meme right now, by the way, keep talking.
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All the actions in the Middle East isn't helping to diffuse whatever tensions may be there.
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And, I don't know, I don't know where this will go, but I, I know there's a lot of ways
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Well, they've been, the regime has been pushing this for decades, you know, that like, uh,
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Maybe we'll, maybe we'll link it if I remember.
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Um, they, they had a plan ever since, um, ever since the Iraq war about, um, you know,
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they had a, a series of countries that they were going to hit in a particular order.
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It was like Afghanistan, Iraq, uh, Libya, Syria, um, Sudan, maybe Lebanon and Iran.
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I'm not sure on Sudan, Sudan, but, uh, but yeah, and Iran was the last one.
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Like Iran was the, that was sort of the big fish because I think even then, even if they
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weren't confirmed, I can't remember exactly when Iran, Iran was confirmed to be a nuclear
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power, but maybe it was kind of known even back in the, you know, mid nineties, late nineties,
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early two thousands, um, that they were going to be, um, they were the, like, they were the
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They were, they were the final boss basically of this American, uh, um, you know, uh, foray
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Yeah, it's, these are not like, this is nothing new.
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Um, I, I do think also there's, there is the Israel link of, well, there are definitely many
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that will say, well, Israel's America's greatest ally because Israel is the buffer between the
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Middle East and, and Iran and all these other terrible countries that want to do harm to
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But on the flip side, they're saying, well, Israel being there is creating more of the, the kind
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So as, as the greatest ally who's never directly supported America in any role.
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Because of all the things they do for America, right?
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Yeah, so that reminds me of something I'm going to play actually sort of, let me, uh, let me
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interrupt your train of thought there for a second.
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Cause I saw this great clip of, uh, Christopher Hitchens from, uh, the Charlie Rose show in
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I actually saved this cause I wanted to bring this up.
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The idea of building a state of Jewish farmers on Arab land in the Middle East is a stupid
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And I think that, so the idea of Israel's right to exist is, well, no, now that it's that
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most of it, many states are founded on injustices or foolishness and bad ideas.
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It doesn't mean that anyone can just come and evict or destroy them.
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And I, I'm not saying that, but I think I'd have to say, so as not to seem shady.
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I've always thought it's a silly messianic superstitious nationalist idea, and it's a
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And it guaranteed a quarrel with the Arabs because it meant we're going to take away from you
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what's most precious, your land by trying to make Jews into peasants, already a silly
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That's not the way to rescue Central European Jewry, make them into farmers in Palestine.
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Guaranteed an injustice to the Arabs, which now anyone can see.
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And is now entering its third, fourth generation.
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Fourth generation of Palestinians brought up either in exile or dispossession or under occupation
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Something has to be done to address what is part of the original, let's not put original
00:33:21.700
If the, if Jews born in Brooklyn have a right to a state in Palestine, then Palestinians born
00:33:26.660
in Jerusalem have a right to a state in Palestine.
00:33:28.960
Anyone who doesn't agree with that principle, I think, is, is suspect.
00:33:34.940
They do, but they, but why in that case do we have the one and not the other?
00:33:39.620
After all, it's America that pays for all this and arms the Israelis.
00:33:42.320
That last point was, uh, uh, that's something that, uh, a lot of people conveniently like
00:33:49.860
to, uh, distance, uh, American commentators who, uh, are, uh, hashtag America first, but
00:33:57.680
They like to kind of forget that last point, right?
00:33:59.620
The only reason that any of this is possible is because of American funding, American intelligence,
00:34:07.660
Well, so if you're going to say, you know, the, um, you know, they're, they're our only
00:34:14.880
But then you also have to, you are, are also sort of admitting that there's a reason why
00:34:22.940
And it's because you continue to make them the only buffer in the Middle East.
00:34:27.680
I think you run into the same issue of anytime you weave in security guarantees or say, well,
00:34:41.540
Well, what does that mean to like when you're woven into that equation as well?
00:34:47.460
And ask the Brits, the Brits that about Poland, right?
00:34:51.220
Well, and this is how you get conflicts that get many nations involved because of these
00:35:01.260
assumed kind of, uh, the, these guarantees that get woven into it.
00:35:07.240
Well, I, I guess with, um, with anything like this, like, is it too hateful for me to, to
00:35:14.460
lay down a couple of principles of like, well, let's not fund, let's not send any money to
00:35:19.860
any other country right now before we get our shit in order in Canada or the United States.
00:35:30.400
Are you telling me you actively hate Bangladeshi women who otherwise wouldn't have received
00:35:36.200
the $271 million of taxpayer money Justin Trudeau sent them in 48 hours before resigning from
00:35:45.620
Is this, is this the gay, is this the like gay dance lessons?
00:35:51.420
Like, I don't know which one, but there was a few of them that were, there was, there were
00:35:56.040
Um, and, and I was joking, like jokingly saying that, but some of them are like, it's, they,
00:36:03.420
they are, they are ridiculous programs of like woke Western ideas being imposed on these
00:36:15.600
places where like, well, they're like, it can't be real, right?
00:36:18.400
Like, I, I'm not the only one that's saying that that's thinking this, like, there's no
00:36:22.920
way that there's a market for any of this garbage in like Ethiopia.
00:36:27.900
Or is it tied into something like, yeah, if you come to this, you'll get a, like a free
00:36:33.840
Like, and so people are coming cause they're like, yes, I want some food.
00:36:38.240
And then they have to learn some, some BS theories, uh, BS critical theories during like in the
00:36:47.760
So, um, we're, we're wasting a lot of money on things that either have no impact or
00:36:57.840
So, um, first of all, like, let's stop spending money until we have our house in order.
00:37:03.340
Like, and then I would love to see, um, us just stop playing the game where we give special
00:37:13.800
Um, like let's just have a level playing field.
00:37:18.780
We don't need a special word for whatever hate for whatever group, but there's no special
00:37:27.880
So let's stop talking about Islamophobia or because it gets, well, like sometimes it's
00:37:41.620
And then there's antisemitism like, well, what about the Semites that are not part of
00:37:46.720
So that even is not, what about the Palestinian Semites?
00:37:51.860
Like people don't want to have, people don't even like, honestly, the level of, of ignorance
00:37:57.680
surrounding this is like, people don't even real, like people think that there's something
00:38:01.500
that like the, the Israelis we're talking about in 2025 are the same, like Israelis of the
00:38:09.160
And it's like, it's just not even, it's just, it just isn't true.
00:38:11.840
Like there, I don't, I can't tell you a percentage, but I would, I would hazard a very easy guess
00:38:18.020
is to say like 75% of Israelis are just like 30 to 50 years removed from being Polish or Ukrainians
00:38:28.520
or Russians or like they're, they're literally, they're, they're white people from Europe.
00:38:34.120
Like if you want to be, you want to talk about being antisemitic, well, how about the people,
00:38:39.640
the Palestinians who have lived in that land for 500 years before anyone from the, from
00:39:00.200
So I don't, I, but I don't, to answer your question, seriously, I don't think that that's
00:39:04.760
hateful and I don't think that that's like, I can't, I can't tell you how over I am being
00:39:11.080
told by Canadian politicians that as a Canadian, I have to be, I have to stand with this and
00:39:18.100
And like, even the, like, I'm looking at you, Pierre Polyev, you know, Mr. Conservative
00:39:22.980
politician, like, I don't want to hear, I don't want to see your Instagram videos telling
00:39:27.220
you, telling me that I have to support the Ukraine and that I have to support Israel and
00:39:32.200
Like, how about we support, you know, I don't know, making it so that if my mother has to
00:39:38.160
go to the hospital, she doesn't have to wait in an ER for nine hours before seeing a doctor
00:39:43.280
and hopefully not, you know, stroking out in the waiting room.
00:39:46.680
Like, you know, maybe, maybe we can support that before I support funding Ukrainians ability
00:39:55.180
Well, and a lot of these problems that people are complaining about and as like friends who
00:40:02.960
are teachers and right now they're like, well, our class sizes are too big and we don't have
00:40:07.900
the resources for all these students that either have a learning disability or they're in like
00:40:14.740
ESL and they can't comprehend, like, well, wait, wait a minute.
00:40:18.600
And like, it was like, why are there so many students struggling to learn English?
00:40:24.680
Like, well, and if our classrooms are overloaded, then like, well, is the problem funding or are
00:40:35.640
we increasing the student load at a rate that is unsustainable for what's in Canada?
00:40:43.600
So I guess when we go to root causes to things, obviously printing money is not helping.
00:40:51.960
Obviously just taxing our citizens into oblivion is not helping with productivity.
00:41:01.060
And then expanding our need, like expanding the pool of people who are utilizing social services
00:41:10.580
without expanding the capacity is ultimately going to break things.
00:41:16.840
So any politician who fails to address these things, I am becoming more and more skeptical of
00:41:27.680
And Pierre's been, he's been all right on some things, but he's been holding back.
00:41:41.720
Like, I, I hate to get into these little, like these little feuds, the CPC versus PPC.
00:41:50.440
Um, PPC being great for helping to expand these, the window of dialogue.
00:41:58.980
And apparently, and we'll see if this comes up, um, apparently Max Bermier is going to
00:42:08.960
If that's true, if that's true and he goes on Joe Rogan before Pierre Polyev does like
00:42:15.060
That is such a miss, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's because specifically because of what
00:42:20.720
we've talked about before, where like, it feels like Polyev is trying to play it too safe
00:42:25.780
and he's taking the Aaron O'Toole, Andrew Scheer, uh, whoever the loser was at before him in
00:42:33.680
between him and, um, Harper or did it go right from Harper to Scheer?
00:42:38.620
Um, this like middling kind of noncommittal, very like liberal light, like, please don't
00:42:47.140
You know, this kind of soft bullshit that's like, it just, it's distasteful for the, for
00:42:52.800
the true, you know, for the, the, the true blue conservatives.
00:42:56.480
And also as you were saying earlier, like the liberals are going to hate you anyway, like
00:43:03.300
You're not, it's not like you're going to like convert, you know, somebody who's deciding
00:43:07.960
between the liberal and the NDP and they're going to have a change of heart and go conservative.
00:43:12.800
Like you're not, that's not your target demo, you know?
00:43:19.220
I just wish that we had a politician like with a, I mean, Bernie, I don't, I think he's
00:43:24.000
I mean, the guy hasn't won a seat in like 10 years, but yeah.
00:43:27.760
Like I just wish we had somebody with some balls, you know, Bernie is as balls, but he's
00:43:32.720
missing the like little magic piece of charisma that really gets you to the mass appeal needed.
00:43:47.400
Yes, that's the thing is, when you read what he, what he's talking about, amazing.
00:43:55.540
He hits the nail when he's articulating it in conversation, it doesn't have the same ring
00:44:03.720
So what we need is ultimately you need somebody who just speaks their mind, but stands by the
00:44:12.920
principles that are pretty solid and indefensible.
00:44:17.060
So if you just stood by bodily autonomy and these kinds of things that you stood your ground
00:44:22.820
and somebody wants to smear you, well, they're going to do that.
00:44:28.280
Even if you took the middle of the ground, they're still going to smear you just as badly.
00:44:32.960
We, so the smearing is going to happen, but if you're really sticking to principles, more
00:44:40.420
people are going to see how that smear doesn't land.
00:44:45.940
So the, you, you, if you're speaking such fundamental truths, then that's going to be a wake up
00:44:53.980
call to people because it's going to be, and this isn't a perfect analogy and this still
00:45:00.000
doesn't convince people, but this convinced a certain bright, like when chatting with people,
00:45:04.200
this was maybe one of the examples I've heard more often of people that used to hate Trump
00:45:10.940
would often use the, there's very fine people on both sides.
00:45:17.200
The, the, when he was talking about Charlottesville, they used that.
00:45:23.240
Oh, that was what convinced them that there was a significant push from the media to demonize
00:45:29.240
him because they watched the entire clip where he specifically says, well, I'm not talking
00:45:36.640
He did, he makes it very clear and he, Trump specifically condemns the neo-Nazis and the
00:45:46.020
racists and the white supremacists and the white supremacists by name.
00:45:55.560
Which is conveniently left out and that full clip is never played.
00:45:59.600
And then if you ask any liberal friend or family member, what Trump said about that, they only
00:46:09.220
None of them, none of them have heard the whole thing, but I don't know if that fully matters
00:46:14.780
because that's just one example because they'll just like pivot to another, like, well, that
00:46:20.080
He's still racist because, uh, look at what else is happening right now.
00:46:26.920
But if left to somebody's own discovery and somebody discovers that on their own, I feel
00:46:33.760
like some of these times where somebody's stood their ground or was a hundred percent
00:46:40.280
in the right, that's going to convince people more than something in the middle ground where
00:46:47.520
So I'm, I'm wary of soft stances or something that is non-committal.
00:46:56.260
Um, did you see Michael Knowles on Jubilee and that Jubilee debate?
00:47:06.100
I'm not sure if there was a particular moment you were referring to.
00:47:09.540
There's a moment that I'm talking about where, um, I'm just kind of scrolling right now trying
00:47:15.400
Um, I wonder if it's on X in a, in a clip form.
00:47:25.880
It's like what you say, but jumping around between like talking points because you just,
00:47:29.400
they already have a, uh, uh, um, like a mental framework of what they want to believe.
00:47:33.960
And they just have some things that they draw from.
00:47:36.620
So if you, if you eliminate one, they'll just pivot to another in the, in a recent, uh,
00:47:42.280
Jubilee, like, you know, one conservative versus 20 liberals.
00:47:45.400
Um, Michael Knowles was, was talking about, um, certain, he has certain like Christian ideals
00:47:55.780
of what he believes society, you know, American society should be, um, built around, should
00:48:02.200
And they were talking about, um, uh, uh, uh, transgenderism in sports.
00:48:08.000
And so one of his, one of his, you know, points was that they were debating was he, he doesn't
00:48:12.900
believe that, um, biological men should be involved in women's sport.
00:48:16.860
And so he's arguing against a trans woman who is saying, um, talking about, you know, they
00:48:25.280
go back and forth a little bit and then Michael Knowles, uh, drop some information and says,
00:48:29.260
you know, well, part of the reason is because in the last year, um, trans men have taken
00:48:34.780
900 awards from biological women in, in, you know, 40 different sports categories across
00:48:41.200
23 different competitions or, you know, you know, he, he has the exact stats and, and
00:48:46.020
the, the trans woman immediately replies with that didn't happen.
00:48:51.880
And then, so they fact check and, and he, like, they throw the fact check on the side
00:48:57.380
and he says, yeah, like he, he was like, he had the statistic, he had the information
00:49:01.580
and then, and then yes, they were real, they were legitimate stats.
00:49:06.000
And then the, the trans person says, well, then they deserve them because they, they,
00:49:11.640
you know, they must've, um, you know, qualified based on the, on the criterion of the various
00:49:21.560
It's not happening, but it did happen and they deserved it.
00:49:25.240
So it's, it's, you know, it's, it's hard to argue with people like this that don't,
00:49:29.620
it's like what I was saying earlier, like they don't, they don't want to be, uh, in,
00:49:35.420
you know, they don't want to be more correct on the facts or more aware of the, of the
00:49:40.440
truth behind the talking points that they have.
00:49:43.020
They just want to use the talking points to advance an idea that they want to believe.
00:49:47.200
And if you get rid of that idea, well, maybe if they've got two or three more lined up in
00:49:52.140
the chamber that they can use to just continue to justify it.
00:49:56.560
It's when you're, when you're starting from conclusions, because you are, you're,
00:50:07.560
And then you're just given these little like talking points and ideas, or you're saying
00:50:12.760
like, well, any of these issues kind of get, they get distilled down to these, um, well,
00:50:23.020
these cliches, trans women or women or trans rights or human rights.
00:50:29.060
They don't actually define what those things are like.
00:50:31.720
Well, well, first of all, like, what is a right and what happens when the right of one
00:50:38.800
person comes at the expense of a right of another?
00:50:58.520
It's you're, you're also taught like, if I believe this, I am a good person.
00:51:03.500
So they start with a conclusion and then they memorize a couple of things and they don't,
00:51:10.900
I like, I don't feel like a lot of people organically came to these conclusions on their
00:51:16.580
own and, and this is, this is one of my metrics for like really determining, like, well, people
00:51:44.160
And so when somebody challenges me on something, it's like, well, I don't casually dive into
00:51:54.640
It's, I don't think a lot of these people have fully explored these ideas in the same
00:52:02.500
way because it's, they're assumed to be morally correct.
00:52:09.840
They just remember the talking points and they can dismiss the other side with them
00:52:19.020
Which comes hand in hand with what we're talking about before is that's a replacement for
00:52:25.800
And that's, and that also reminds me of something I wanted to say earlier when you were saying
00:52:30.840
about how, um, in Canadian politics and you were talking about how there, there's a dearth
00:52:38.900
of people, of politicians speaking on principles rather than, rather than talking points basically,
00:52:46.820
because this I feel is, is sort of what has plagued Polyev right now in that it's, it's
00:52:54.740
very obvious that the reason why the liberal party was announcing that Mark Carney did it
00:52:59.840
and he, he canceled the carbon tax because Pierre Polyev wasn't talking about for the
00:53:07.000
last year and a half how Canadians are taxed too much in general.
00:53:12.960
He had the phrase, the saying on all the ads acts the tax, the conservatives and Polyev
00:53:19.420
Well, now I know that they haven't really done it because they can't do it because as
00:53:32.800
Either he can do what he's doing or he's saying, well, they haven't really canceled the
00:53:37.600
But if he was arguing from a point of principles from the beginning of Canadians are taxed too
00:53:43.540
much, we're importing too many people, which is pushing the cost of housing up and the, and
00:53:49.220
the, the standard of living down, uh, you know, our healthcare system is broken.
00:53:57.520
You know, he's not talking on principles like this.
00:53:59.880
He's talking in slogans and it, and I think it's done him a real disservice now because unfortunately
00:54:05.880
the liberals now have a little bit of steam and momentum behind them on this fresh face.
00:54:12.180
You know, if, if Polyev is going to talk in talking points, well, then the liberals can
00:54:16.240
respond to talking points and then they, and, and they also can avoid talking about things
00:54:27.260
We know our economy is based on a false housing market.
00:54:29.620
Like we know all these things are true, but if we don't talk about, like you say, the
00:54:33.640
root causes of these things, well, we leave ourselves open to this sort of like very surface
00:54:38.960
level politics where it's just sloganeering against each other.
00:54:41.800
And then, and nothing actually helps the average Canadian underneath it.
00:54:49.520
And I guess the average citizen doesn't engage with these issues on the deeper level, um,
00:54:56.720
to play, to steal me on the other side though, I'm wondering if Pierre went a little bit
00:55:05.600
harder with his, like to root cause with talking about immigration, would he, would the smear
00:55:16.720
Like it, it would, it would have gave too much ammo and would the average person just be
00:55:23.060
like, well, look at how racist, like, would it, would it be a Trump level amount of ammo
00:55:31.940
Um, and, and I think over time that's been able to be the conversation, even the liberals
00:55:39.980
will say like, well, maybe we need to slow down a little bit.
00:55:44.400
But like, so the, the acceptable amount of like the, the entire discussions kind of it's
00:55:55.000
come back to a place where we actually can talk about immigration for a little while.
00:56:00.060
You couldn't even, we, we had early, some of our podcasts like a year ago, we're doing
00:56:08.020
Like, are we like, are you poking the bear too much?
00:56:11.760
Like we felt a little racist for talking about immigration, but yeah, even with some friends
00:56:20.040
who immigrated a couple of years ago who were against excessive immigration thinking like,
00:56:27.000
well, okay, I worked this hard to immigrate and then these other people are not.
00:56:32.500
So, well, man, I always tell, I always tell people this, like, if you're, if you're concerned
00:56:38.020
because the, because the, like, everyone knows when we're talking about immigration, there's
00:56:42.500
a particular demographic that is disproportionately represented in Canadian immigration numbers
00:56:49.000
And there is no one who will tell you faster what type of Indian we should be immigrating
00:57:00.180
Anyone who knows, who like grew up, like, man, both of us have like tons of Indian friends
00:57:05.640
that we grew up with in school and like guys who, you know, people who have been here, you
00:57:09.860
know, since in the kind of, I don't know, maybe there was a, maybe there was a big, you
00:57:14.760
know, a wave of immigrants from India in the nineties or something.
00:57:17.280
Cause it seemed like we, you know, we went to school with a lot of them, but, um, I cannot
00:57:21.860
tell you the amount of them that I know who are like, who, who's just straight up sound
00:57:26.800
Like they would say it in a way that we would definitely not say it.
00:57:29.560
Cause it's like, they have a definite conception of like what cast, you know, I believe is
00:57:35.700
the, is their term of, of people, you know, that they want to associate with.
00:57:39.040
And if they don't want to associate with them, like they will say horrifying stuff about
00:57:43.900
So it's like, no, you're not being racist to just notice that there's a disproportionate
00:57:50.240
amount of people coming from a certain part of the world over here.
00:57:54.360
It means that you, uh, you don't like the effect that that, like they could have been
00:57:59.160
from any, I tell this to everyone and we, I've said it before, if we were importing 400,000
00:58:04.520
Finnish people per year, I would have the same opinion about it.
00:58:08.340
There's too many, there's too many Finnish people here.
00:58:10.460
We're importing too many fins, you know, it doesn't have anything to do with skin color.
00:58:13.680
It has everything to do with just raw numbers and its effect on a country.
00:58:20.020
The, uh, calling them Finns is probably an ethnic slur at that point.
00:58:27.780
Their, uh, their, their name, like the actual name for Finland, I believe is like, they call
00:58:32.880
Like that's what it shows in all their hockey jerseys and stuff.
00:58:36.940
And yeah, well, you hit the nail rail on the head of like, well, it's the amount, but it's
00:58:43.220
also the, the extent which assimilation happens.
00:58:48.420
Cause we talk about like, well, melting is like, is Canada really a melting pot?
00:58:53.080
And we look at the history of like, well, um, even in, I don't have, maybe I won't get
00:59:02.560
In the U S it's slightly different than Canada, but Canada was even like 85 to 90% white, even
00:59:12.660
It was still predominantly like the percentage.
00:59:16.980
And it's funny with given that as a starting point and then listening to all these conversations
00:59:24.860
about like white supremacy of like, well, white people doing better than other minorities
00:59:30.200
in Canada, like, well, of course there's going to be a majority representation in a majority
00:59:38.600
If it, if it, if it started with a certain demographic.
00:59:43.260
If you have an established, you know, family that's been here for, you know, a hundred years
00:59:48.520
Well, and so, and that's part of it, but I guess within that, that was European and that
00:59:56.120
was Christian, but you also had like, well, you had the Catholics and you had the Protestants
01:00:02.100
You also didn't always get along between depending on what European country, this was immigrating.
01:00:08.400
Like, well, um, the Irish had a really rough time in North America and some were indentured
01:00:16.420
servants and like it just because of the skin color, like the people that founded the founded
01:00:29.140
And even, even just because they were just from Europe didn't mean there wasn't conflict.
01:00:38.180
Well, and, and to that point, I'll make two points.
01:00:42.040
Uh, I just recently read a book called the weirdest people in the world and, and weird
01:00:48.540
It was a, uh, an acronym for, uh, Western educated.
01:00:53.340
Um, I can't remember the, the, the, the acronym, but I'll, I'll find it.
01:00:58.620
Um, and they were talking about, um, yeah, the weirdest people in the world by Joseph Heinrich
01:01:05.540
and it stands for, um, the subtitle is, uh, how, um, the West became particularly, uh, what,
01:01:17.600
how the West became psychologically peculiar and particularly prosperous.
01:01:25.440
Um, uh, but, uh, yeah, what's the, uh, oh man, I'll have to, I'll have to post it somewhere
01:01:33.280
Anyway, um, they were talking about Irish people in the book.
01:01:38.600
Western educated, industrialized, rich democratic.
01:01:44.680
Western educated, industrialized, rich democratic.
01:01:48.440
And you know, there, it's a big, it's a pretty big book.
01:01:56.520
Um, uh, and he talks about how specifically with the Irish immigration into the U S in
01:02:02.120
the, in the early 1900s, late 1800s, early 1900s.
01:02:06.120
Um, they initially were like very poorly treated.
01:02:10.300
They were not well integrated and they were not, they didn't have a good time.
01:02:13.200
They were, they were considered in some areas, like they were classified under the same,
01:02:17.820
um, classification that, um, they classified black people as like, as separate from, from,
01:02:24.540
Like they were, they were classified away from whites and it took like significant, uh, outreach
01:02:30.820
programs by the Catholic church in, in the Eastern United States to like, in as many words,
01:02:36.920
like civilize the, the Irish immigrants into the U S into like a higher standard of living
01:02:41.860
way of life because, you know, not, this isn't a justification of any, you know, poor treatment
01:02:48.040
of people, but like they were, it was just objective that the Irish immigrants at that
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time were living a much more like kind of, you know, culturally, uh, primitive, you know,
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comparatively way of life to the, to the naturalized Americans at that time.
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And so, you know, it wasn't considered racist to, you know, uh, integrate these people into
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It was necessary to avoid the, the type of blowback that they were receiving as a group
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of people, you know, sometimes very unjustifiably.
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So, which my second point is you look at the difference between like, if you maybe wanted
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to say the, the, the next most, um, represented group of immigrants in Canada, I think most people
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would agree, at least in this part of the country where we are in Alberta is Filipinos.
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Lots of Filipinos have emigrated to Canada in the last 20, 30 years, but we don't hear the
01:03:44.300
same discourse surrounding Filipino Canadians as we do with Indian Canadians, because in my
01:03:50.520
opinion, and probably the opinion of others, the Philippines are a Catholic country.
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So they're much, they're, they're instantly more in line with the traditional Western values
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that have built this part of the world and they integrate a little bit easier.
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They, they, they are more apt to just kind of be natural into living this, this lifestyle
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They have a very distinct culture that grew completely independently from the West for
01:04:19.880
So of course there's going to be a difference in how they know how to live their lives in
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their everyday lives versus the average Canadians.
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And of course, because of that, there's going to be conflict for better or worse.
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It's not saying like, no one is saying that, you know, you can't maintain your certain,
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you know, the, the, the cultural features of your homeland that make you feel comfortable
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But in the, by the same token, no, no Canadian that I know anyway, would dream of moving to
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India and forcing Indians to live in a, in a Western Canadian way of life.
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Like it just, it never seems to work the other way, you know?
01:05:00.380
It's, it's assuming a lot that like, well, this place that is not my home has to conform
01:05:10.620
You wouldn't see it in Japan, like you wouldn't go to Japan and like, you wouldn't claim discrimination
01:05:20.900
Like, well, I know like 40 phrases and my Japanese is kind of broken.
01:05:26.420
Like, well, you would obviously, yeah, you'd see some advantages to, well, better, like
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better resonating with either the culture of where you're moving to the language or some
01:05:43.180
So yeah, the Filipino with them being Catholic, that is obviously a, it makes that so much
01:05:53.680
When people adopt the values of a place and that is, has established values, I feel like
01:06:03.060
people are a lot more welcoming and you can see this, Japan's a perfect example of the
01:06:09.480
people who live there and they learn the language and the customs and they resonate with culture.
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They're, they're happy that you put in the effort to adopt these cultures and their principles.
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Well, I was going to say they like, it's only like, you know, North Americans that say it's
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like cultural appropriation to wear a kimono or whatever.
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If you're like into Japanese culture, they love that shit.
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They like, they love the, you know, Oh, you want to partake in our culture.
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Like that's like, what an honor to, you know, they, they feel, um, ascent because they have
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such a, uh, uh, a firm cultural identity that they're proud of that they feel honored when
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other people take the time to, to learn about it and partake in it, which is, I feel like
01:07:03.480
how it should be, you know, like Daryl Cooper, who we're, we're both fans of, um, Martyr Made
01:07:07.740
podcast was recently on Joe Rogan and he was saying, he was talking about actually Ireland
01:07:13.500
I think you probably watched it where he said, you know, Ireland's on track to be like, like
01:07:18.320
white people are, are like Irish people are expected to be a minority by 2070.
01:07:24.080
And the funny thing is these, those kinds of statements, they're celebrated.
01:07:33.440
Um, if you said in Japan, like they are destined to be a minority in their own country, they'd
01:07:44.200
What's going to happen to the Japanese culture in that case?
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Um, and that, well, and that's, and that's what he said.
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He's like, you know, he's like, I, I believe that true diversity would, would mean, you know,
01:07:56.520
China is for Chinese people and India is for Indian people and Ireland is for Irish people.
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Like that, like when you're traveling the world, you don't want to have it be that anywhere
01:08:07.900
you go is just this like identical cultural mishmash of like, like nondescript, you know,
01:08:16.860
Like, no, you want, you want to go to Ireland because you, you want to go to an Irish pub
01:08:24.320
You want to go to, if you, if you want to visit India or you want to visit Tanzania or
01:08:29.840
you want to visit, you know, Japan, like you want those cultures to be like true diversity
01:08:35.920
is when you can experience all those cultures in their true forms and not have them be a
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melting pot, quote unquote, of no, of some post-national identity.
01:08:45.080
Like that's, it's such, that isn't what I, what diversity is.
01:08:48.340
And further, why is it that only the traditionally, the very small part of the globe that is traditionally
01:08:56.900
known as white nations, white Western nations, why are they the only ones that need to become
01:09:04.200
Who's fighting to make Saudi Arabia multicultural or to make it a lore multicultural, Bangladesh
01:09:12.540
It's because if a predominantly white country doesn't say predominantly white, they're going
01:09:23.120
It's, it comes down to the post-war consensus, right?
01:09:26.960
Like you, you got to have diversity because unified, strong, unified national identities are ultimately
01:09:39.320
So, and then, and there's more examples of, you know, general.
01:09:42.540
General ignorance by the average, you know, Canadian or American or Westerner in general,
01:09:46.660
because the West does not have a monopoly on fascist or, uh, communist governments for
01:09:57.560
The, well, and then you run into cases of like you apply any of these principles to somewhere
01:10:07.180
Um, there's a certain court on the internet that is jokingly like they have these like
01:10:15.460
fake advertising complaints of like, well, we need more immigration and more diversity
01:10:24.440
Like, well, and they treat that as well, no, that's, that's genocidal because that's, you're
01:10:30.040
trying to erase, you're trying to erase our people by doing that.
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And you're like, well, if that's the admission, why isn't that true for Ireland?
01:10:49.320
And, and even in Canada, I guess you can, we're trying to like define what a Canadian is.
01:10:55.740
And we look at, you, you can look at a first generation, um, you look at somebody who's
01:11:04.840
born in Canada, it doesn't matter their skin color.
01:11:07.700
You can tell the Canadian-ness through just their vibes.
01:11:13.880
And, and the, even that difference between somebody who's born in Canada, went through
01:11:20.560
the Canadian school system and then grew up with all the cultural aspects versus somebody
01:11:26.360
who speaks English really well and adopts it later on.
01:11:34.380
It's, and not to say that the latter is, is bad.
01:11:38.040
Like if that's somebody who's adopted our like Canadian values, great.
01:11:43.220
You can tell, you can tell the difference and or people are warmer to somebody who grew
01:11:50.640
up from birth just because these things resonate a little bit more.
01:11:55.900
Well, and there's, there's a certain like, um, I can see a certain, you know, evolutionary
01:12:01.980
utility behind that because it, you know, it makes sense.
01:12:04.480
Like, you know, you're the, we, in the West, we, we have the, I think, unique advantage
01:12:11.340
of living in a high trust society because that's just sort of, that's just sort of a,
01:12:15.700
um, a side effect of, of Western cultures that find their roots in Christianity.
01:12:21.840
Like that, that's just, that's just something sort of unique to the, to the Christian world,
01:12:27.260
the, the Christian Western world that the rest of the world didn't get because that's,
01:12:32.960
you know, whatever your opinion on Christianity is, that's just sort of a, an effect of it.
01:12:44.560
So there is a baked in anti-racist component to Christianity that not all other religions
01:12:56.960
And, and also in that book, I just mentioned that the weirdest people in the world, they,
01:13:00.020
he talks to about how, excuse me, in the, um, I believe it was in the, like late thousands
01:13:08.780
or 1100s, something around there, you know, to the, to the 1200s.
01:13:13.080
Um, are you familiar, have you heard of the MFP, like the Catholic churches, MFP?
01:13:20.160
It stands for the, the marriage and family program.
01:13:23.460
That's what the, so the, the, the Catholic church in the, in the, you know, early 11th,
01:13:28.240
12th century, they restricted, essentially what they did was they restricted cousin marriage.
01:13:35.280
It was very, it was very common in most, I mean, it is still very common today in a
01:13:39.300
lot of, uh, middle Eastern and, uh, and, uh, you know, the subcontinent, uh, cousin
01:13:48.560
Societies have high rates of cousin marriage because they're naturally just distrustful of
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And so for various reasons, you know, it's, there's a whole book about it, but for various
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reasons, the, the Catholic church instituted the marriage and family program, which restricted
01:14:06.580
cousin marriage to, I believe it was the sixth, sixth, uh, uh, step, you know, like you couldn't
01:14:13.400
marry your, you had to go six, uh, steps away from your family.
01:14:18.340
And what that had the effect of doing was, you know, if you were in a, if you lived in
01:14:22.320
a small town and like the Roman empire, like there's a very high chance that like no one
01:14:28.140
in your community was further away from you than two or three steps.
01:14:31.640
So if you couldn't legally get married to any of those people, you had to expand your circle.
01:14:38.340
You had to go to, go to different lands and meet new people.
01:14:40.780
Like that is a direct, we can see how that would create a much more open society because
01:14:46.260
people were forced to, to meld and integrate and become more worldly people and expand their
01:14:52.380
And so, you know, there's obviously, you know, more knock on effects from that, but in creating
01:14:56.740
an open society like that and, and having those values come, you know, passed down to us here,
01:15:02.160
you know, a thousand years later, you know, we have a very unique, we're in a very unique
01:15:06.600
spot now compared to the rest of the world that I think people both take for granted and
01:15:12.920
opens them up to being taken advantage of because, because of the natural inclination that we have
01:15:19.080
here to be welcoming, perhaps at our own detriment of various other cultures that don't share
01:15:26.440
I think that's a feature of Christianity as well as liberalism that it, it can be,
01:15:36.600
there can be too much of a good thing in those kinds of cases.
01:15:40.060
And it's also, you get into cases where like, even the idea of diversity gets like, well,
01:15:49.420
You go to Europe and they're like, well, that European is not just like you, you go to England
01:15:56.720
and like genetically there is a lot of variety between the Nordic and Slavic and you go to Turkey
01:16:05.640
and you have a whole other mix of people there and you go back to Spain and it is not a ethnically
01:16:16.380
But in our, in our, in how we view the West and how we view our DEI framework, white isn't ever
01:16:26.900
expanding category and it's actually reducing diversity.
01:16:33.380
like white, white's just not Brown, but even like, I guess, then you're like, well, what
01:16:45.260
happens when you're a quarter black and what happens when you're like, you run into these
01:16:53.340
Like if you can claim it, then it's useful, then you can just play the game.
01:16:58.120
And so I, I, I'm glad we circled back and like talked about kind of the like foundations
01:17:06.320
of Canada because that gets woven into, well, what's our national identity.
01:17:12.540
And I am aware that there are some more nationalistic types that are now saying like, well, my is
01:17:25.860
like, I'm seventh generation Canadians and I, I have a, like my great, great, great grandfather
01:17:33.060
was sailed down the St. Lawrence and did this and that.
01:17:36.820
Yeah. And for them, they, they feel like that gives them more of a claim to what Canada, like
01:17:47.340
Yeah. And I feel like we're into a losing battle at that point because, um, these, the, it's a no
01:17:54.780
true Scotsman situation, literally like at that point. And some of them are Scottish and some of them
01:18:01.820
are not true Scottish. So, um, those are the new fees, right? But, uh, what I wanted to touch on
01:18:10.480
is that the rise in kind of anger orientated unity, it's the lowest resolution way to unify people.
01:18:24.860
And that exists when people are marginalized. And I don't, I don't like, I don't love using that
01:18:31.640
word, but I mean, like when people are gaslit into not being allowed an identity or not being
01:18:39.340
allowed to be either like, if you're not, if you can't be proud to be European or you can't be proud
01:18:46.380
to be, um, like if there's a certain range of origins that people can't be proud of, then that's
01:18:56.500
going to push people into like, well, they feel that hate. And then that pushes them into a corner.
01:19:03.060
And then that's the unifying principle around them. And I feel like all of this anti-European
01:19:10.960
sentiment, anti-Christian, that's going to create the enemy that they're so, that they're so fearful
01:19:18.980
in the first place. And it doesn't exist when these rules are applied equally to everybody.
01:19:27.260
Yes. Yes, that's for sure. And it's, um, yeah, maybe that's a good place to, to kind of wrap her up
01:19:34.700
for, for right now. Cause this could be a whole nother hour, but you could, yeah, you could dive into
01:19:39.400
that for a whole, whole hour to unpack that. Yeah. But, but yeah, you know, to, to kind of wrap
01:19:44.640
her up, I think that that's, it's, it's sort of a, uh, it's sort of a, uh, maybe part of the human
01:19:54.220
condition to like the thing that you fear the most, maybe you, you just end up behaving in a way that
01:20:03.560
brings that into your life. You know what I mean? Like if you're, if you're so fearful of
01:20:09.220
of, you know, uh, an ideology coming for you and that's all you can, can think about and that's
01:20:15.340
all you can see, it, it soon consumes your life to the point where it's, it may as well be true to
01:20:22.360
you, even if it isn't objectively true. You know what I mean? So there's, um, yeah, this is getting
01:20:28.760
very esoteric and maybe, maybe very, very high level right now, but, uh, yeah, I, I guess, you know,
01:20:34.480
at the end of the day, we, we have to, I think we have to not be afraid. Like the, the, the Canadian
01:20:40.780
way is to be very, you know, we're very meek. We're very, we like to think we're very kind and
01:20:48.080
we're very welcoming and we're very accepting, but you can't, I think Gad Saad would call that
01:20:55.640
suicidal empathy and you can't be. So in the same way that, you know, this, the saying goes,
01:21:02.700
like, you can't be so open-minded that your brains fall out. The same way you can't, you
01:21:07.360
can't be so welcoming and, and, and accepting of, uh, diversity that you allow that diversity
01:21:13.100
to, to kill the spirit that allowed it to be accepted in the first place. Yeah. Yeah.
01:21:17.920
There are, there are ways, there are ways we could definitely go backwards in trying to
01:21:23.200
fix the problem. You become, you become a monster in the process. So, yeah. Well, what did
01:21:29.860
was it Nietzsche that said, uh, be careful if you stare into the void for the, for the
01:21:35.900
void also stares back into you. Something like that. Yeah. I think that's, it's in, in the
01:21:41.460
same realm. So on that cheery note. So I think in, in, to answer my question that I, I opened
01:21:47.360
the episode with, have we determined that I am in fact a better Canadian than you and a
01:21:52.000
better person in general because of it? Yes. That is a, that's the answer is yes.
01:21:57.140
And I can do it. See, look, that just goes back to our early point. And I can do that
01:22:01.900
as a very obviously less white person than you. So how about that? That's diversity,
01:22:07.220
my friend. That is diversity. The, what matters is to tie it back to what I said before, what
01:22:14.740
matters is what's on the inside. And I consumed more Canadian beef today than you did, which
01:22:20.840
makes me more like more actually more, more Canadian by, by kilogram. If we're going by
01:22:30.140
weight. So yeah, you're the, you're the pound for pound champion. Yeah. I'm I've internalized.
01:22:36.480
I've internalized it. It's on the inside. Oh man. Okay. Well, Hey, you know what on that,
01:22:41.220
on that, that's a much better note to leave it on than a Nietzsche quote. So always appreciate
01:22:45.280
it, man. Oh yeah. That was a good one. I'm glad we could, we, we dove into a few good,
01:22:51.060
few good ones. So I hope everybody enjoyed this one or the ones stuck all the way to the end. So
01:22:56.700
yeah, I always appreciate you guys. We'll have this, uh, we'll have links to everything we talked
01:23:01.600
about. We'll have, uh, uh, this up on, uh, Spotify, YouTube, Twitter, X, I mean, all the,
01:23:08.460
uh, all the platforms. Uh, thanks as always and, uh, appreciate it. And we'll see you soon.