The Critical Compass Podcast - Mark Carney Liberals, Unhinged Tax & Spend Geopolitics, & the Canadian Immigration Debate

00:00:00.000 Well, the liberals and Carney are patting ourselves on the back because of the carbon tax, which is just the consumer part of that.

00:00:08.400 It's not the whole framework still there.

00:00:11.940 It could just be turned back on in any instant.

00:00:15.060 And in one breath, the messaging behind that was, well, eight out of 10 Canadians.

00:00:22.600 Yeah, they get more back from the carbon tax.

00:00:24.660 And that was the running message for the longest time.

00:00:27.380 For six years, that's been the message.

00:00:29.320 Yeah, the average Canadian gets way more back than they pay. 0.97

00:00:33.200 And now they go ahead and they make this ridiculous post. 0.77

00:00:37.240 Mark Carney got it done. 0.74

00:00:38.880 He got it done.

00:00:39.580 He canceled the carbon tax.

00:00:40.820 So what is it?

00:00:41.560 This is some pretty mixed messaging.

00:00:43.180 Is the carbon tax something that's not only something that's putting money in Canadians' pockets, as Trudeau has been on record saying, and it's saving the planet?

00:00:59.320 Hello, and welcome back to the Critical Compass.

00:01:12.920 James, I just wanted to start off this quick episode today.

00:01:16.560 We'll talk about a couple things.

00:01:18.240 But I wanted to point out one thing to get us started.

00:01:21.600 You may notice that I'm wearing my Team Canada hat from Four Nations Face Off.

00:01:26.980 And I can't help but notice that you're not wearing anything identifiably Canadian.

00:01:31.400 So I wonder, does that actually make me a better human being than you with how the current political climate is in Canada?

00:01:38.600 What are your thoughts?

00:01:40.520 Well, I just ate a steak that is locally, a local grass-finished steak.

00:01:47.460 So I am embodying, it's literally in my soul.

00:01:53.660 You are taking Alberta as the Eucharist.

00:01:57.880 You are making the Alberta beef and grass one with yourself.

00:02:02.580 Yeah, but I do a poor job of signaling that to the world.

00:02:10.040 Well, and the reason I started this episode off with that horrible, horrible joke comment is because, doesn't it seem in the last, I don't know, maybe, well, I guess since February when the original Trump tariff threats actually became real,

00:02:31.680 you know, very momentarily, it seems that there's this, like, influx of patriotism that I haven't, I just haven't felt in the last, I don't know, it feels like we went, like, we did a complete 180 from, like, wanting to put, like, unvaccinated people in prison camps and then all of a sudden we're, you know, identifying with our fellow man and we've never been more Canadian.

00:02:52.960 Yeah, it's definitely a 180 because even with some friends and family, hearing them during the convoy, I specifically heard with people close to me saying that they felt kind of icky when they would see a Canadian flag.

00:03:11.600 Yes, I specifically remember that, yeah.

00:03:13.520 It was on so many trucks and it was just the visibility and the association was icky.

00:03:23.180 Yeah, it was like a hate symbol almost, hey?

00:03:24.820 It was like flying a Confederate flag in the U.S. or something, right?

00:03:28.580 Which is strange that they would grow to have that association.

00:03:32.720 And then contrast that with a few comments, even from Justin Trudeau, saying that Canada is a post-national state with no firm identity, kind of catering to, like, these open doors for all these immigrants, saying, like, well, you don't need to fully disseminate your identities just as Canadian as anybody else's when you come here.

00:03:58.840 And now we're seeing those sentiments dropped.

00:04:04.840 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:06.520 Yeah, it's, yeah, it's fascinating because it's, you know, I've had this feeling for a while and a couple people on X have articulated this a little bit more eloquently than I'm about to.

00:04:18.700 But there's been this feeling for me for a while that, like, Canadians, well, we all kind of know that, you know, for at least, you know, in the time that we've been alive, you know, growing up in the 90s and early 2000s and kind of coming of age in the 2000s, that, like, Canadian politics has always been relatively boring and uneventful, you know, compared to at least to American politics.

00:04:40.540 And just simply being the neighbor of such a massive, you know, world power, you can't help but sort of, you know, come into contact with a lot of, you know, cultural artifacts from that.

00:04:54.600 And it seems like Canadians, at least for as long as we've been around, have pretty much defined ourselves in opposition to Americans, rather than having like a positive identification as like, what does it mean to be a Canadian?

00:05:08.380 A lot of people I know, and a lot of kind of feeling in the cultural zeitgeist of Canadians is that it's like, we just define ourselves by what we're not and what we're not is American, you know, we're, we, we are not like the Americans and how we treat healthcare.

00:05:23.180 And we're not like the Americans and how, you know, they're, you know, rude and racist or whatever, like we're, you know, it seems it's, it's always defined in opposition rather than being able to stand on its, on its own merits.

00:05:35.560 Does that kind of make sense?

00:05:36.960 Yeah, and I think a little bit of that's still happening because as Trump's getting more and more of a spotlight, it's, he's, what he's doing is setting the tone for a lot of these discussions.

00:05:49.500 It pops up and now people are discussing that in reaction to what he's saying.

00:05:57.420 And I feel like the aversion to anything Trump is partially defining this newfound patriotism.

00:06:07.620 It's that we're not Trump and you're seeing this both on the left and the right.

00:06:15.380 The federal conservatives have distanced themselves from any, any Trump like comparisons and they're still getting compared to Trump.

00:06:27.140 Yeah.

00:06:28.480 Anyways, so it's not even doing what they're like, what they're hoping it, uh, it will do.

00:06:35.760 So again, we're seeing part of our identity is, well, look at how bad the Americans are.

00:06:42.720 We're not the Americans. 0.97

00:06:43.680 We're the opposites.

00:06:45.100 And we are, we are good because of these reasons that are not American. 0.99

00:06:50.000 Yeah.

00:06:50.740 Well, I'll tell you something and say what you want about Trump, but at least somebody elected

00:06:54.460 him.

00:06:54.820 Right now we have, uh, you know, not even just somebody, 68 or 70 million Americans elected

00:07:03.460 him, whatever the number was.

00:07:04.680 Uh, a hundred and was it 150,000 registered voters in the liberal party?

00:07:12.160 And like of that only a hundred thousand or so ended up casting a ballot, which is suspicious

00:07:18.880 in its own right.

00:07:20.220 This is not about that, but less than 1% of Canadians.

00:07:23.400 Yeah.

00:07:23.840 Less than 1% of Canadians decided on a leader who's an unelected globalist bureaucrat banker.

00:07:30.580 So this is somebody with Europe for the last three past three passports.

00:07:34.900 Yeah.

00:07:35.380 Yeah.

00:07:36.200 We don't know how many days in Canada he was last year.

00:07:40.340 Like, yeah, there's some legitimate concern that he's like literally wasn't in Canada long

00:07:44.700 enough to be considered even viable as a leadership candidate.

00:07:47.960 And, and yet somehow in the, you know, week and a bit since he's been crowned, uh, he's

00:07:56.080 like making decisions on funding and, and like, he's making like, he's actually making decisions

00:08:03.420 of consequence that like, we're, we're at a time where there's some critical global forces

00:08:10.420 requiring some input from our elected officials.

00:08:14.900 We're only a few weeks out from the G7.

00:08:16.900 And yeah.

00:08:18.400 So why is it still prorogued?

00:08:20.620 Yeah.

00:08:21.980 Yeah.

00:08:22.380 It's a great question.

00:08:23.060 I mean, I was, I was talking to my, um, my wife about this.

00:08:26.140 I was like, she's, you know, God bless her.

00:08:28.100 She's much more, uh, level headed and, and rational than I am.

00:08:32.440 You know that.

00:08:33.260 But, uh, even she was like gobsmacked that it's like, how is it that we're just like,

00:08:39.680 like, we don't have, we, we simultaneously don't have and, and have a prime minister.

00:08:46.500 Like I was actually shocked that all the, the major media outlets in Canada are referring

00:08:51.240 to him as the prime minister.

00:08:52.380 Like I don't, if it were me, like I would just, I think that the proper title for him

00:08:58.120 should only just be like the liberal party leader.

00:09:00.440 Cause he's, I feel like you have to have a, you have to be an elected MP to be the, to

00:09:07.240 actually have the title of prime minister.

00:09:09.040 You don't have to be an elected MP to be a leader of a party.

00:09:12.600 We know that for, um, for Nenshi in Alberta, he's the leader of the Alberta NDP, but he's

00:09:17.940 not, uh, he's not an MLA.

00:09:20.140 So I don't understand why we're calling him that.

00:09:23.180 They don't even have the assumed confidence of the house.

00:09:28.880 That's the other part is it would be a different situation that if you had a majority government

00:09:33.640 with a large amount of like a good approval rating and you swapped leaders, you could by

00:09:41.860 extension think that like, well, okay, well you still have the will of the people behind

00:09:47.440 you.

00:09:47.720 You still have a mandate.

00:09:48.420 Yeah.

00:09:48.560 Talking with friends and family.

00:09:50.380 None of this seems to phase them.

00:09:52.700 This shenanigans, and these are political shenanigans, uh, at the expense of what's best for Canadian

00:10:01.480 people.

00:10:03.300 These shenanigans are happening and people are somewhat justifying it.

00:10:08.220 These people like didn't even know who Carney was and are surprised like, oh, he's on our

00:10:15.060 money.

00:10:15.380 This, this, he, he was ahead of the bank of Canada and some of them don't even know that.

00:10:23.920 No one in the media is pushing back on this.

00:10:26.300 Like no one in, you know, no one, no political commentary in Canada is pushing back on this.

00:10:31.380 Like it seems crazy to me, man.

00:10:33.340 Like, I feel like I honestly feel that like countries have, have had civil unrest and riots

00:10:39.640 for less, you know?

00:10:40.740 Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:43.060 It's, I need a drink.

00:10:47.160 Is that a, is that a hundred percent Canadian whiskey this time?

00:10:50.320 Actually, you know what?

00:10:50.880 This is in fact, last stream I was drinking bourbon and this one, this actually is, um,

00:10:56.120 Alberta premium cask strength.

00:10:58.100 You'll have some of this when you come over in a couple of days here.

00:11:01.380 It's very good.

00:11:02.540 It's very good.

00:11:03.100 Can he, Alberta grown and distilled rye?

00:11:06.960 God bless us.

00:11:08.400 The newest state of America, Alberta.

00:11:11.980 The, um, I, I wonder how much cheaper you could buy that just by driving across the Southern

00:11:18.480 border.

00:11:18.820 I actually saw a post of that, uh, for a Canadian, I think it was Canadian club.

00:11:24.200 Um, they had a, you know, 750 mil Canadian club.

00:11:27.660 It's like 40 some bucks in 40, 43 or 44 bucks.

00:11:31.860 I think in Ontario and the, and in just across, like in Detroit, it was like $19 us, which,

00:11:40.560 you know, I think that, um, exchanges to like 26 or 27 bucks. 0.75

00:11:45.500 It's like ridiculous.

00:11:47.560 So that ties into, well, the liberals and Carney are patting ourselves on the back because of 0.78

00:11:54.840 the carbon tax, which is just the consumer part of that.

00:11:58.600 It's not the whole framework still there.

00:12:02.220 It could just be turned back on in any instant.

00:12:05.100 And in one breath, the messaging behind that was, well, eight out of 10 Canadians get more

00:12:13.280 back than they, yeah, they get more back from the carbon tax.

00:12:18.720 And that was the running message for the longest time.

00:12:21.860 For six years.

00:12:22.480 That's been the message.

00:12:23.320 Yeah.

00:12:23.560 That the average Canadian gets way more back than they pay. 0.97

00:12:26.800 And now, and now they go ahead and they, and they make this ridiculous post. 0.62

00:12:31.120 Mark Carney got it done.

00:12:32.860 He got it done.

00:12:33.540 He canceled the carbon tax.

00:12:34.720 So, so what is it?

00:12:35.540 This is some pretty mixed messaging.

00:12:36.940 Are we, is the carbon tax something that's not only something that's putting money in Canadians

00:12:42.500 pockets as Trudeau has been on record saying.

00:12:45.860 Do we hate the environment?

00:12:47.660 Yeah.

00:12:47.980 That's right. 0.99

00:12:48.480 Like we suddenly stopped giving a shit about the environment. 0.99

00:12:51.780 Yeah. 0.99

00:12:52.280 Yeah.

00:12:52.800 And we're proud of it according to, according to this post.

00:12:57.260 It's crazy, man.

00:12:58.440 Like it's.

00:13:00.360 But, but we're upset about tariffs.

00:13:03.260 Yeah.

00:13:04.560 But people are also like the, the common understanding of tariffs is just like, well,

00:13:11.400 the, the Americans are, they did a thing and now we pay more.

00:13:16.260 Like, well, it's a little more complicated than that.

00:13:18.400 And we unpacked this with Marty.

00:13:20.520 Um, but it, if the Americans put a tariff, it's on a good that they buy from Canada and

00:13:29.820 it means Americans pay more for it.

00:13:32.500 And then the assumption is that, well, we would sell less of it because now that price is

00:13:40.160 not competitive and they would rather buy locally.

00:13:42.640 So the counter tariffs, the it's, it is literally self-harm.

00:13:48.920 Yeah.

00:13:50.080 Yeah.

00:13:50.420 Um, cause you're, you're trying to punish the American, like American government by forcing

00:13:57.200 Canadians to pay more.

00:13:58.940 Yeah.

00:13:59.560 So we don't have that same kind of vitriolic response to counter tariffs, even though those

00:14:06.560 are the tariffs that directly hurt Canadians just trying to buy food.

00:14:10.620 Um, so the, the, all the waters are muddy right now because of our common understanding of

00:14:18.120 this.

00:14:18.320 And then we have barriers for interprovincial trade that nobody talks about.

00:14:23.100 We have taxes on pretty much everything.

00:14:25.280 That's why your example, the liquor South of the border being that much cheaper, that's

00:14:30.880 just an arbitrary amount of tax that Canada has put on liquor that the government gets and

00:14:38.240 then recklessly spends.

00:14:41.780 So like, is our anger collectively in Canada placed, is the anger placed in the right place

00:14:52.160 right now?

00:14:53.280 Yeah.

00:14:53.740 Well, people don't like have, that's another thing you were saying about how like, you know,

00:14:57.920 it's talking to friends and family and stuff.

00:15:00.060 They, the average person honestly doesn't have any idea how much, uh, Canada imposes tariffs

00:15:07.300 on other countries and, and, and in what, um, uh, like what parts of the economy, like,

00:15:14.520 you know, you can kind of understand, like people will kind of know, like the dairy cartel,

00:15:19.260 like that term is kind of known, you know, supply management.

00:15:22.460 Kind of conditional.

00:15:23.560 It'll say like over a certain quota, then the tariff gets applied, but that's still, that's

00:15:30.280 still not a free market.

00:15:31.840 No, no, that's exactly right.

00:15:33.540 Yeah.

00:15:33.780 So, and, and that it actively discourages trade because why, if you were a country trying

00:15:38.260 to supply Canada with dairy, you know, why would you want to concern yourself with, oh,

00:15:43.000 well, we can only supply this much.

00:15:44.460 Okay.

00:15:44.660 Well then who are going to be the producers that are going to be allowed to, you know,

00:15:48.120 supply up to the maximum.

00:15:49.780 And then once the, once that maximum is reached and the rest is tariffed, how, how do we,

00:15:54.320 that, that explains the other producers that also explains why like you'll see 200 grams

00:16:01.320 of Parmesan for 10 bucks.

00:16:04.220 Yeah.

00:16:04.960 Because it, it's not a Canadian product or some of these things that come from Europe or

00:16:09.760 yeah.

00:16:10.820 Yeah.

00:16:11.340 So it's reducing choice and it's putting the burden on the Canadian consumer.

00:16:16.140 Yeah.

00:16:17.140 And we've had a bunch of tariffs in place for many years on the U S that if they have,

00:16:22.340 if they have any, uh, reciprocal tariffs, it's often much, much lower percentage.

00:16:26.980 Like there's some tariffs that we have, um, you know, in the, on various commodities, like

00:16:32.340 you can look this up, you know, aluminum and steel and pulp and shit like that.

00:16:37.580 Um, that the, the reciprocal tariff, if it's, you know, in the 10 to 20% or 30% in for

00:16:45.140 Canada, uh, our tariffs, the American tariffs are much lower, you know, sometimes two, three,

00:16:50.360 four or 5%.

00:16:51.080 So it's, you know, Trump isn't, you know, Trump is Trump, right?

00:16:57.440 Like he, he speaks in, in hyperbolic ways to, you know, whatever purpose he thinks he's

00:17:04.200 doing, you know, if he's sparking conversation or he's trying to, you know, get, drive a point

00:17:08.440 home or, you know, move a conversation along with, you know, uh, exciting speech.

00:17:16.000 Um, he does that, but when he says, you know, you know, Canada has been taking advantage of

00:17:19.940 us and it's, you know, it hasn't been a fair fight, so to speak.

00:17:22.860 He's not wrong. 0.53

00:17:23.680 I mean, the, the tariffs have been disproportionately higher on our end than theirs.

00:17:29.480 Yep.

00:17:30.820 And the American tariffs are just one side of things.

00:17:33.580 We saw people lose their mind over the Trump tariffs.

00:17:36.680 And I think part of that is the collective hate that there is for Trump because of just

00:17:43.000 the constant media bombardment of these, these messages.

00:17:48.580 And we don't have to even give the examples.

00:17:50.740 Everybody knows off the top of their hand, the examples, we don't have the same collective

00:17:57.640 bombardment media messaging on China.

00:18:03.080 So when the Chinese tariffs came there, there was almost, I was, I saw like no commentary

00:18:10.920 on it, not even a fraction of the same emotion.

00:18:15.800 No.

00:18:16.580 Has anyone asked Carney about it?

00:18:17.900 I don't think so.

00:18:19.860 It's not being really addressed at a federal level.

00:18:23.400 So again, we're not seeing the emotions match with reality because right now it's, it feels

00:18:35.260 like there's a certain amount of groupthink and this groupthink is, it's not naturally what

00:18:41.960 would appear given these situations.

00:18:44.680 And often it's a media push or it's a, there has to be some other driving force behind this

00:18:55.580 to get to this point.

00:18:56.980 Yeah.

00:18:58.000 And I don't think it gets solved.

00:19:00.520 I was trying to think of this of like, Oh, if only I could show my liberal friends or

00:19:07.060 family, an example where in the past they believe this and it's completely wrong.

00:19:12.120 It would change their minds.

00:19:14.920 And I don't think it works that way because the emotions tied into it are the driver.

00:19:21.040 It's not the logic behind it.

00:19:23.720 And I think it doesn't matter what side you're on.

00:19:26.940 Emotions do factor in to a lot of these things.

00:19:31.600 And I think we see this, um, with a lot of the response on the right as well with the left,

00:19:36.940 they just manifest in different ways.

00:19:38.860 So I'm, I'm wondering how do you, how do we have conversations?

00:19:46.860 How do we address some of these points and how do we start changing minds when things

00:19:54.340 are wrapped up in these emotional responses?

00:19:56.740 Yeah.

00:19:59.080 You know, it, it kind of comes back to something we've said on the show a lot and, you know,

00:20:03.480 we've talked with other people about a lot about how it really does feel.

00:20:07.920 And I understand, you know, of course there's, there is this type of, um, emotional language

00:20:15.120 on the right as well in describing the left, but it does seem that it's particularly difficult

00:20:22.780 to kind of break through, uh, the emotional weight that the left, that people on the left

00:20:31.220 put on politics in the way that it does feel that they truly don't like, honestly, it feels

00:20:39.360 like they don't view conservatives as even human, like they, they view them as like, if

00:20:45.500 they do view them as human, they view them as like, so, you know, like biblically evil

00:20:53.000 that like, how could you even, you know, even, even entertaining, like they, you know, the,

00:20:57.600 the left talks a lot about like platforming, right?

00:20:59.760 Like how do you platform people like this?

00:21:01.540 Or, you know, they talk about, um, they do a lot of guilt by association type of, of

00:21:06.860 rational, you know, we can't listen to, you know, Jordan Peterson says something about

00:21:12.300 anything and you can't even begin to understand, like you can't even begin to listen to the

00:21:17.420 argument he's making because he's already been associated with transphobia.

00:21:22.700 So how could you listen to what a transphobe has to say about politics?

00:21:26.020 You know what I mean?

00:21:26.460 Like it's, there's this sort of like really heavily emotionally intertwined, um, uh, baggage

00:21:34.900 that surrounds anyone on the right that the left associates with them.

00:21:38.620 And it's, it's really hard to bust through that and actually have a conversation on principles

00:21:42.480 and, and like on, and on, uh, you know, the, the, just the merits of ideas without kind

00:21:47.940 of wading through all this heavy emotion.

00:21:52.600 You know what I mean?

00:21:53.080 Yeah, I think part of it is the seemingly the, the, there, there is almost a monopoly

00:22:02.080 on the left of some of the major institutions that we have, let it be universities, um, and

00:22:08.820 HR departments, a lot of companies are leaning more towards the left because of these frameworks.

00:22:14.180 And I think that skews people's understanding of how many right-wing people there are.

00:22:19.800 And now their, their ideas got kind of get mythologized of like, well, if they imagine

00:22:29.200 somebody on the right, they imagine the worst racist that, that they possibly can.

00:22:34.740 Yeah.

00:22:35.040 Every trope, right?

00:22:36.320 There, there is, I, I wasn't sure to what degree to go into this, but I think there is

00:22:41.800 a link and maybe it's worth unpacking a little bit of, um, our ability to have these discourses,

00:22:49.820 I think is partially shaped over the last 70 or so, 70, 80 years, partially based on the

00:22:58.740 results of World War II.

00:23:01.100 And I think.

00:23:01.740 Postwar consensus, if you will.

00:23:02.960 liberal postwar consensus that any national sentiment is potentially dangerous because

00:23:12.020 look at where that led in World War II.

00:23:16.220 And right now, conserve, any conservative notion is now being, well, it's either being associated

00:23:26.220 with nationalism, even though there's plenty of conservatives that are not even that nationalistic

00:23:31.320 in their views or they're, they're still plenty of globalist minded conservatives.

00:23:37.360 So that's not even a really good argument.

00:23:40.680 Um, but it's wrongly getting demonized.

00:23:42.940 And I, I feel like it's, um, these ideas are being, they, they get turned into these really

00:23:52.960 cheap means.

00:23:54.800 And where it waters down any meaningful discourse because, well, look at what's happening in

00:24:04.540 the States right now.

00:24:05.740 There's actual Nazis in power.

00:24:08.600 That's what people think.

00:24:10.420 I've talked with friends and family who, who actually think the Nazis are in power.

00:24:15.640 Um, which doesn't align when we're, when we're talking, when we're seeing some of the infighting

00:24:20.640 on the right happen exactly over this question, there are many think that the exact opposite

00:24:26.660 is true.

00:24:27.140 That like there's, there's Nazis in power, but they just passed legislation, uh, banning

00:24:33.040 antis, antisemitic speech.

00:24:34.860 Yeah.

00:24:35.320 So these things do not match.

00:24:37.740 It makes sense.

00:24:38.480 With reality, but it's still used as a cudgel.

00:24:41.320 Um, and I feel like because of the emotional weight behind world war two and how it's been

00:24:51.640 such a pillar of how we orientate ourselves in a liberal democracy, it's impossible to unpack

00:25:01.460 that emotion.

00:25:02.340 It's built into a lot of what we consider like the, the foundation of what we've built the

00:25:10.080 West on at this point that like, it's a losing battle.

00:25:13.700 Like you, you've already lost if you're trying to play the game kind of thing.

00:25:16.960 Yeah.

00:25:17.840 It's that emotion can't be just turned off right away.

00:25:23.480 And it, I think it gets brought up.

00:25:26.840 Um, it doesn't take that much in a conversation for people to draw the Hitler or Nazi comparison.

00:25:36.620 Um, and it seems like a default, which is it, the more it gets brought up, the more it waters

00:25:43.200 down any actual discussion about some of the legitimate atrocities that have happened over

00:25:50.680 the last hundred years.

00:25:52.080 So it's pointless to bring up, but people still find it useful because it just, it's just

00:26:01.640 a shortcut to them saying, well, it's evil and it's replaced Satan.

00:26:07.740 Nobody will go around calling it like, well, that person's Satan.

00:26:10.660 It doesn't have the same funny enough, doesn't have the same emotional impact.

00:26:17.420 It's almost meaningless.

00:26:18.420 They overdid it in the, in the eighties, everything was satanic in the eighties.

00:26:21.800 So yeah, we, we burned that one out now.

00:26:25.020 Maybe that'll happen now.

00:26:26.360 We should bring Satan back.

00:26:28.200 Yeah. 0.91

00:26:28.720 Bring Satan like he like way cooler than Nazis. 0.80

00:26:31.220 Are you kidding me? 0.80

00:26:31.900 Like, come on.

00:26:33.140 Like at least there's some, I would say if metal, if we're going to bring Satan back, I would

00:26:37.900 say the Dave Grohl version of Satan's a pretty good, a pretty, a pretty good image.

00:26:45.340 Or maybe the Jack Black Satan.

00:26:48.060 Yes.

00:26:48.700 From, uh, what am I thinking of?

00:26:50.960 From Tenacious, there's a Tenacious D song.

00:26:52.820 I think that I'm referring.

00:26:53.900 Isn't, isn't, um, isn't Dave Grohl, isn't he dressed up?

00:26:58.920 Isn't that the Tenacious D?

00:27:01.100 Oh, maybe.

00:27:01.800 Yeah.

00:27:01.980 There you go.

00:27:02.500 Okay.

00:27:02.900 That's, yeah.

00:27:03.300 So we are thinking of the same thing.

00:27:04.620 Yes.

00:27:04.740 There you go.

00:27:05.820 Not too niche of a, of references.

00:27:09.200 Hopefully not.

00:27:10.120 Hey, you know, come here for the politics, stay for the, uh, for the music references.

00:27:13.900 Um, yeah, actually a lot of our listeners may not know that we're both, uh, we were both

00:27:18.200 musicians before we were, we were both, uh, liberal musicians in the city before we were, 0.98

00:27:24.020 uh, uh, conservative libertarian shit posters. 0.96

00:27:31.540 We should, uh, yeah, we should bring the music out sometime, but, uh, yeah, maybe, maybe for 0.99

00:27:37.700 a live stream.

00:27:38.560 Well, so I guess, I guess maybe that leads to, uh, to a good question then.

00:27:42.580 Um, uh, kind of straying from. 0.93

00:27:48.200 Um, the shit show happening in Canada at the moment, and maybe talking on a bit of 0.97

00:27:52.580 a global, more global, more, um, uh, perhaps imminent scale. 0.98

00:27:58.740 Um, do you have any thoughts on, um, kind of the rhetoric that's been being spewed the

00:28:05.400 last couple of days here about, uh, about Iran and about the Houthis?

00:28:10.600 I don't know as much on that side of things, but.

00:28:18.200 I, I know, I know that I wish I had this meme.

00:28:28.660 Um, there's a perfect meme.

00:28:31.360 It's like, how dare Iran build their country so close to all of the Americans air bases? 0.93

00:28:39.000 Yeah, how dare, how dare, how dare they?

00:28:45.640 Um, so it is a chicken and the egg kind of thing.

00:28:51.020 I'm looking for a meme right now, by the way, keep talking.

00:28:53.540 Where.

00:28:57.580 All the actions in the Middle East isn't helping to diffuse whatever tensions may be there.

00:29:03.900 And, I don't know, I don't know where this will go, but I, I know there's a lot of ways

00:29:12.640 of making it worse.

00:29:14.700 Mm-hmm.

00:29:15.860 Infinite ways to make it worse.

00:29:19.240 You seen this one?

00:29:22.900 He's, he's up there smiling.

00:29:26.040 Finally, finally war with Iran.

00:29:27.880 Well, they've been, the regime has been pushing this for decades, you know, that like, uh,

00:29:33.800 Dave Smith has talked about it.

00:29:34.980 Maybe we'll, maybe we'll link it if I remember.

00:29:37.840 Um, they, they had a plan ever since, um, ever since the Iraq war about, um, you know,

00:29:44.840 they had a, a series of countries that they were going to hit in a particular order.

00:29:48.220 I think it was seven countries.

00:29:50.680 It was like Afghanistan, Iraq, uh, Libya, Syria, um, Sudan, maybe Lebanon and Iran.

00:30:03.040 I'm not sure on Sudan, Sudan, but, uh, but yeah, and Iran was the last one.

00:30:08.060 Like Iran was the, that was sort of the big fish because I think even then, even if they 1.00

00:30:13.720 weren't confirmed, I can't remember exactly when Iran, Iran was confirmed to be a nuclear

00:30:18.680 power, but maybe it was kind of known even back in the, you know, mid nineties, late nineties,

00:30:25.320 early two thousands, um, that they were going to be, um, they were the, like, they were the

00:30:32.800 final goal.

00:30:33.800 They were, they were the final boss basically of this American, uh, um, you know, uh, foray 0.95

00:30:40.260 into the Middle East.

00:30:41.380 Yeah, it's, these are not like, this is nothing new.

00:30:50.400 This has been brewing for a while.

00:30:51.980 Yeah.

00:30:52.640 Um, I, I do think also there's, there is the Israel link of, well, there are definitely many

00:31:02.300 that will say, well, Israel's America's greatest ally because Israel is the buffer between the 0.95

00:31:10.820 Middle East and, and Iran and all these other terrible countries that want to do harm to 1.00

00:31:20.880 the West.

00:31:21.280 But on the flip side, they're saying, well, Israel being there is creating more of the, the kind 0.81

00:31:32.040 of pushback.

00:31:34.060 So as, as the greatest ally who's never directly supported America in any role.

00:31:40.760 Because of all the things they do for America, right?

00:31:42.780 Yeah, so that reminds me of something I'm going to play actually sort of, let me, uh, let me

00:31:49.080 interrupt your train of thought there for a second.

00:31:50.600 Cause I saw this great clip of, uh, Christopher Hitchens from, uh, the Charlie Rose show in

00:31:55.240 2001.

00:31:56.000 I actually saved this cause I wanted to bring this up.

00:31:58.580 Let me see if I can throw this on here.

00:32:03.240 Very prescient, I believe is the term.

00:32:05.740 Um, listen to him now, have him on screen.

00:32:09.440 Yeah.

00:32:09.860 Yeah.

00:32:11.300 The late, great Christopher Hitchens.

00:32:14.360 Zionism. 1.00

00:32:15.380 The idea of building a state of Jewish farmers on Arab land in the Middle East is a stupid 1.00

00:32:21.040 idea to begin with. 1.00

00:32:21.840 I think it's a messianic idea.

00:32:23.260 I think it's a superstitious idea.

00:32:25.420 And I think that, so the idea of Israel's right to exist is, well, no, now that it's that 0.99

00:32:29.360 most of it, many states are founded on injustices or foolishness and bad ideas.

00:32:34.480 It doesn't mean that anyone can just come and evict or destroy them.

00:32:38.120 And I, I'm not saying that, but I think I'd have to say, so as not to seem shady.

00:32:42.600 Yeah. 0.57

00:32:43.200 I've always thought it's a silly messianic superstitious nationalist idea, and it's a 1.00

00:32:47.460 waste of Judaism. 0.99

00:32:48.800 And it guaranteed a quarrel with the Arabs because it meant we're going to take away from you 1.00

00:32:52.560 what's most precious, your land by trying to make Jews into peasants, already a silly 1.00

00:32:56.140 idea. 0.96

00:32:56.720 That's not the way to rescue Central European Jewry, make them into farmers in Palestine. 1.00

00:33:01.760 Guaranteed an injustice to the Arabs, which now anyone can see. 1.00

00:33:04.780 And is now entering its third, fourth generation.

00:33:07.000 Fourth generation of Palestinians brought up either in exile or dispossession or under occupation

00:33:12.360 and humiliation.

00:33:13.460 Something has to be done to address what is part of the original, let's not put original

00:33:18.140 sin, original misconception.

00:33:20.240 But it should be a matter of principle.

00:33:21.700 If the, if Jews born in Brooklyn have a right to a state in Palestine, then Palestinians born 0.95

00:33:26.660 in Jerusalem have a right to a state in Palestine.

00:33:28.960 Anyone who doesn't agree with that principle, I think, is, is suspect.

00:33:32.900 I think most people do.

00:33:34.940 They do, but they, but why in that case do we have the one and not the other?

00:33:39.620 After all, it's America that pays for all this and arms the Israelis. 0.98

00:33:42.320 That last point was, uh, uh, that's something that, uh, a lot of people conveniently like

00:33:49.860 to, uh, distance, uh, American commentators who, uh, are, uh, hashtag America first, but

00:33:55.700 also hashtag Israel is our greatest ally.

00:33:57.680 They like to kind of forget that last point, right?

00:33:59.620 The only reason that any of this is possible is because of American funding, American intelligence,

00:34:04.620 American military might.

00:34:07.660 Well, so if you're going to say, you know, the, um, you know, they're, they're our only

00:34:11.720 buffer in the Middle East.

00:34:13.080 Well, okay.

00:34:14.880 But then you also have to, you are, are also sort of admitting that there's a reason why

00:34:21.580 they're the only buffer in the Middle East.

00:34:22.940 And it's because you continue to make them the only buffer in the Middle East. 0.72

00:34:27.200 Yeah.

00:34:27.680 I think you run into the same issue of anytime you weave in security guarantees or say, well,

00:34:35.700 we've got your back no matter what. 0.99

00:34:37.300 And then you have somebody starting some shit. 0.99

00:34:41.540 Well, what does that mean to like when you're woven into that equation as well? 0.99

00:34:47.460 And ask the Brits, the Brits that about Poland, right?

00:34:50.780 Yeah.

00:34:51.220 Well, and this is how you get conflicts that get many nations involved because of these

00:35:01.260 assumed kind of, uh, the, these guarantees that get woven into it.

00:35:07.240 Well, I, I guess with, um, with anything like this, like, is it too hateful for me to, to

00:35:14.460 lay down a couple of principles of like, well, let's not fund, let's not send any money to 0.90

00:35:19.860 any other country right now before we get our shit in order in Canada or the United States. 0.93

00:35:25.400 Um, let's do that for one. 0.98

00:35:28.120 Um, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:35:30.400 Are you telling me you actively hate Bangladeshi women who otherwise wouldn't have received

00:35:36.200 the $271 million of taxpayer money Justin Trudeau sent them in 48 hours before resigning from

00:35:44.620 the prime ministership? 0.96

00:35:45.620 Is this, is this the gay, is this the like gay dance lessons? 0.95

00:35:51.420 Like, I don't know which one, but there was a few of them that were, there was, there were 0.91

00:35:55.040 so many of them.

00:35:56.040 Um, and, and I was joking, like jokingly saying that, but some of them are like, it's, they, 0.78

00:36:03.420 they are, they are ridiculous programs of like woke Western ideas being imposed on these

00:36:15.600 places where like, well, they're like, it can't be real, right? 0.87

00:36:18.400 Like, I, I'm not the only one that's saying that that's thinking this, like, there's no 0.98

00:36:22.920 way that there's a market for any of this garbage in like Ethiopia. 0.99

00:36:27.180 Are you kidding me? 0.96

00:36:27.900 Or is it tied into something like, yeah, if you come to this, you'll get a, like a free

00:36:32.600 meal and a hot chocolate.

00:36:33.840 Like, and so people are coming cause they're like, yes, I want some food.

00:36:37.640 Yeah.

00:36:38.240 And then they have to learn some, some BS theories, uh, BS critical theories during like in the

00:36:47.480 process.

00:36:47.760 So, um, we're, we're wasting a lot of money on things that either have no impact or

00:36:53.900 ultimately, um, are negative over the years.

00:36:57.840 So, um, first of all, like, let's stop spending money until we have our house in order.

00:37:03.340 Like, and then I would love to see, um, us just stop playing the game where we give special

00:37:12.640 privileges to anybody.

00:37:13.800 Um, like let's just have a level playing field.

00:37:18.780 We don't need a special word for whatever hate for whatever group, but there's no special

00:37:23.180 word for like anti-white hate.

00:37:27.880 So let's stop talking about Islamophobia or because it gets, well, like sometimes it's

00:37:35.220 the religious aspect.

00:37:37.140 Sometimes they equate it with Arab hate.

00:37:39.600 Like, so it's not even that useful.

00:37:41.620 And then there's antisemitism like, well, what about the Semites that are not part of

00:37:46.260 Judaism? 0.63

00:37:46.720 So that even is not, what about the Palestinian Semites?

00:37:50.980 Yeah. 0.54

00:37:51.860 Like people don't want to have, people don't even like, honestly, the level of, of ignorance

00:37:57.680 surrounding this is like, people don't even real, like people think that there's something

00:38:01.500 that like the, the Israelis we're talking about in 2025 are the same, like Israelis of the

00:38:08.880 Bible.

00:38:09.160 And it's like, it's just not even, it's just, it just isn't true.

00:38:11.840 Like there, I don't, I can't tell you a percentage, but I would, I would hazard a very easy guess

00:38:18.020 is to say like 75% of Israelis are just like 30 to 50 years removed from being Polish or Ukrainians

00:38:28.520 or Russians or like they're, they're literally, they're, they're white people from Europe.

00:38:32.620 They're white Eastern Europeans.

00:38:34.120 Like if you want to be, you want to talk about being antisemitic, well, how about the people,

00:38:39.640 the Palestinians who have lived in that land for 500 years before anyone from the, from

00:38:45.180 the original Zionist movement got there?

00:38:48.760 I don't know.

00:38:49.400 Is that hateful?

00:38:50.220 Are we going to get flagged, James?

00:38:52.440 The, it depends who's doing the flagging.

00:38:56.760 So, yeah, yeah.

00:39:00.200 So I don't, I, but I don't, to answer your question, seriously, I don't think that that's

00:39:04.760 hateful and I don't think that that's like, I can't, I can't tell you how over I am being

00:39:11.080 told by Canadian politicians that as a Canadian, I have to be, I have to stand with this and

00:39:17.460 stand with that.

00:39:18.100 And like, even the, like, I'm looking at you, Pierre Polyev, you know, Mr. Conservative

00:39:22.980 politician, like, I don't want to hear, I don't want to see your Instagram videos telling

00:39:27.220 you, telling me that I have to support the Ukraine and that I have to support Israel and

00:39:30.680 I have to support, support this.

00:39:32.200 Like, how about we support, you know, I don't know, making it so that if my mother has to

00:39:38.160 go to the hospital, she doesn't have to wait in an ER for nine hours before seeing a doctor

00:39:43.280 and hopefully not, you know, stroking out in the waiting room.

00:39:46.680 Like, you know, maybe, maybe we can support that before I support funding Ukrainians ability 0.99

00:39:52.720 to kill Russians, you know, maybe. 0.59

00:39:55.180 Well, and a lot of these problems that people are complaining about and as like friends who 0.95

00:40:02.960 are teachers and right now they're like, well, our class sizes are too big and we don't have

00:40:07.900 the resources for all these students that either have a learning disability or they're in like

00:40:14.740 ESL and they can't comprehend, like, well, wait, wait a minute.

00:40:18.600 And like, it was like, why are there so many students struggling to learn English?

00:40:24.680 Like, well, and if our classrooms are overloaded, then like, well, is the problem funding or are

00:40:35.640 we increasing the student load at a rate that is unsustainable for what's in Canada?

00:40:42.100 Yeah.

00:40:42.880 Yeah.

00:40:43.600 So I guess when we go to root causes to things, obviously printing money is not helping.

00:40:51.960 Obviously just taxing our citizens into oblivion is not helping with productivity.

00:40:59.980 Yeah.

00:41:01.060 And then expanding our need, like expanding the pool of people who are utilizing social services

00:41:10.580 without expanding the capacity is ultimately going to break things.

00:41:16.540 Yeah.

00:41:16.840 So any politician who fails to address these things, I am becoming more and more skeptical of

00:41:23.640 anybody who doesn't address the root cause.

00:41:27.680 And Pierre's been, he's been all right on some things, but he's been holding back.

00:41:33.280 He's losing a little bit of support.

00:41:35.180 Yeah.

00:41:35.580 He's losing a lot of steam.

00:41:36.700 Hey.

00:41:36.820 Um, I don't, I don't know.

00:41:41.720 Like, I, I hate to get into these little, like these little feuds, the CPC versus PPC.

00:41:48.740 Yeah.

00:41:48.760 These like purity test things, right?

00:41:50.440 Um, PPC being great for helping to expand these, the window of dialogue.

00:41:58.980 And apparently, and we'll see if this comes up, um, apparently Max Bermier is going to

00:42:05.360 be on Joe Rogan.

00:42:07.160 I heard this.

00:42:08.100 Yeah.

00:42:08.380 I heard this.

00:42:08.960 If that's true, if that's true and he goes on Joe Rogan before Pierre Polyev does like

00:42:12.840 that is a major miss.

00:42:15.060 That is such a miss, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's because specifically because of what

00:42:20.720 we've talked about before, where like, it feels like Polyev is trying to play it too safe

00:42:25.780 and he's taking the Aaron O'Toole, Andrew Scheer, uh, whoever the loser was at before him in

00:42:33.680 between him and, um, Harper or did it go right from Harper to Scheer?

00:42:37.540 I can't remember.

00:42:38.620 Um, this like middling kind of noncommittal, very like liberal light, like, please don't

00:42:46.620 hate us. 0.99

00:42:47.140 You know, this kind of soft bullshit that's like, it just, it's distasteful for the, for 1.00

00:42:52.800 the true, you know, for the, the, the true blue conservatives. 1.00

00:42:56.480 And also as you were saying earlier, like the liberals are going to hate you anyway, like

00:43:02.500 let them hate you.

00:43:03.300 You're not, it's not like you're going to like convert, you know, somebody who's deciding

00:43:07.960 between the liberal and the NDP and they're going to have a change of heart and go conservative.

00:43:12.800 Like you're not, that's not your target demo, you know?

00:43:17.220 Oh, I don't know.

00:43:18.020 I could go on all day about this.

00:43:19.220 I just wish that we had a politician like with a, I mean, Bernie, I don't, I think he's

00:43:22.900 a lost cause.

00:43:23.560 I don't know.

00:43:24.000 I mean, the guy hasn't won a seat in like 10 years, but yeah. 0.68

00:43:27.760 Like I just wish we had somebody with some balls, you know, Bernie is as balls, but he's

00:43:32.720 missing the like little magic piece of charisma that really gets you to the mass appeal needed. 0.98

00:43:42.020 I think his English is too weak.

00:43:43.560 I think that's, I think that's the problem.

00:43:45.600 Maybe he's very charismatic in French.

00:43:47.400 Yes, that's the thing is, when you read what he, what he's talking about, amazing.

00:43:55.540 He hits the nail when he's articulating it in conversation, it doesn't have the same ring

00:44:01.160 to it.

00:44:02.020 Yeah, that's right.

00:44:03.340 That's right.

00:44:03.720 So what we need is ultimately you need somebody who just speaks their mind, but stands by the

00:44:12.920 principles that are pretty solid and indefensible.

00:44:17.060 So if you just stood by bodily autonomy and these kinds of things that you stood your ground

00:44:22.820 and somebody wants to smear you, well, they're going to do that.

00:44:28.280 Even if you took the middle of the ground, they're still going to smear you just as badly.

00:44:32.960 We, so the smearing is going to happen, but if you're really sticking to principles, more

00:44:40.420 people are going to see how that smear doesn't land.

00:44:44.860 Yeah.

00:44:45.940 So the, you, you, if you're speaking such fundamental truths, then that's going to be a wake up

00:44:53.980 call to people because it's going to be, and this isn't a perfect analogy and this still

00:45:00.000 doesn't convince people, but this convinced a certain bright, like when chatting with people,

00:45:04.200 this was maybe one of the examples I've heard more often of people that used to hate Trump

00:45:10.940 would often use the, there's very fine people on both sides.

00:45:16.640 Yeah.

00:45:17.200 The, the, when he was talking about Charlottesville, they used that.

00:45:23.240 Oh, that was what convinced them that there was a significant push from the media to demonize

00:45:29.240 him because they watched the entire clip where he specifically says, well, I'm not talking

00:45:35.320 about them.

00:45:35.840 I'm talking about this.

00:45:36.640 He did, he makes it very clear and he, Trump specifically condemns the neo-Nazis and the

00:45:46.020 racists and the white supremacists and the white supremacists by name.

00:45:48.840 Yeah. 0.99

00:45:49.120 He says they should be condemned totally.

00:45:51.660 That was his, that was the phrase.

00:45:53.500 That was the full quote.

00:45:54.660 Yeah.

00:45:55.560 Which is conveniently left out and that full clip is never played.

00:45:59.220 Yeah.

00:45:59.600 And then if you ask any liberal friend or family member, what Trump said about that, they only

00:46:07.180 know the first part.

00:46:09.220 None of them, none of them have heard the whole thing, but I don't know if that fully matters

00:46:14.780 because that's just one example because they'll just like pivot to another, like, well, that

00:46:19.460 doesn't matter.

00:46:20.080 He's still racist because, uh, look at what else is happening right now.

00:46:24.540 So they'll jump around from one to the next.

00:46:26.920 But if left to somebody's own discovery and somebody discovers that on their own, I feel

00:46:33.760 like some of these times where somebody's stood their ground or was a hundred percent

00:46:40.280 in the right, that's going to convince people more than something in the middle ground where

00:46:45.160 you don't have a hard stance on anything.

00:46:47.520 So I'm, I'm wary of soft stances or something that is non-committal.

00:46:55.040 That's right.

00:46:56.260 Um, did you see Michael Knowles on Jubilee and that Jubilee debate?

00:47:04.000 I saw some of him.

00:47:06.100 I'm not sure if there was a particular moment you were referring to.

00:47:09.540 There's a moment that I'm talking about where, um, I'm just kind of scrolling right now trying

00:47:14.800 to find it.

00:47:15.400 Um, I wonder if it's on X in a, in a clip form.

00:47:21.040 I won't be able to find it right now.

00:47:22.840 Maybe we'll, we'll link to it later.

00:47:25.160 There's a moment.

00:47:25.880 It's like what you say, but jumping around between like talking points because you just,

00:47:29.400 they already have a, uh, uh, um, like a mental framework of what they want to believe.

00:47:33.960 And they just have some things that they draw from.

00:47:36.620 So if you, if you eliminate one, they'll just pivot to another in the, in a recent, uh,

00:47:42.280 Jubilee, like, you know, one conservative versus 20 liberals.

00:47:45.400 Um, Michael Knowles was, was talking about, um, certain, he has certain like Christian ideals

00:47:55.780 of what he believes society, you know, American society should be, um, built around, should

00:48:01.320 remain built around.

00:48:02.200 And they were talking about, um, uh, uh, uh, transgenderism in sports.

00:48:08.000 And so one of his, one of his, you know, points was that they were debating was he, he doesn't

00:48:12.900 believe that, um, biological men should be involved in women's sport.

00:48:16.860 And so he's arguing against a trans woman who is saying, um, talking about, you know, they

00:48:25.280 go back and forth a little bit and then Michael Knowles, uh, drop some information and says,

00:48:29.260 you know, well, part of the reason is because in the last year, um, trans men have taken 1.00

00:48:34.780 900 awards from biological women in, in, you know, 40 different sports categories across

00:48:41.200 23 different competitions or, you know, you know, he, he has the exact stats and, and

00:48:46.020 the, the trans woman immediately replies with that didn't happen. 0.99

00:48:49.700 That's not happening.

00:48:50.560 It wasn't, there was no way.

00:48:51.880 And then, so they fact check and, and he, like, they throw the fact check on the side

00:48:57.380 and he says, yeah, like he, he was like, he had the statistic, he had the information

00:49:01.580 and then, and then yes, they were real, they were legitimate stats.

00:49:06.000 And then the, the trans person says, well, then they deserve them because they, they, 1.00

00:49:11.640 you know, they must've, um, you know, qualified based on the, on the criterion of the various

00:49:17.100 governing bodies.

00:49:17.840 And he's like, okay, that's, that's perfect.

00:49:20.420 It didn't happen.

00:49:21.560 It's not happening, but it did happen and they deserved it.

00:49:24.160 They, they earned them.

00:49:25.240 So it's, it's, you know, it's, it's hard to argue with people like this that don't,

00:49:29.620 it's like what I was saying earlier, like they don't, they don't want to be, uh, in,

00:49:35.420 you know, they don't want to be more correct on the facts or more aware of the, of the

00:49:40.440 truth behind the talking points that they have.

00:49:43.020 They just want to use the talking points to advance an idea that they want to believe.

00:49:47.200 And if you get rid of that idea, well, maybe if they've got two or three more lined up in

00:49:52.140 the chamber that they can use to just continue to justify it.

00:49:55.040 Right.

00:49:55.900 Yeah.

00:49:56.560 It's when you're, when you're starting from conclusions, because you are, you're,

00:50:05.420 you're given the conclusion Trump bad.

00:50:07.560 And then you're just given these little like talking points and ideas, or you're saying

00:50:12.760 like, well, any of these issues kind of get, they get distilled down to these, um, well,

00:50:23.020 these cliches, trans women or women or trans rights or human rights. 0.85

00:50:28.300 Sure.

00:50:29.060 They don't actually define what those things are like.

00:50:31.720 Well, well, first of all, like, what is a right and what happens when the right of one

00:50:38.800 person comes at the expense of a right of another?

00:50:41.840 Is that still a right then?

00:50:44.800 And so people don't think about these things.

00:50:46.820 They just, they feel good on the outset.

00:50:51.900 Like just hearing these things.

00:50:54.260 At a very shallow level.

00:50:55.120 It's a shallow level.

00:50:56.440 It's not a deep understanding.

00:50:58.520 It's you're, you're also taught like, if I believe this, I am a good person.

00:51:03.500 So they start with a conclusion and then they memorize a couple of things and they don't,

00:51:10.900 I like, I don't feel like a lot of people organically came to these conclusions on their

00:51:16.580 own and, and this is, this is one of my metrics for like really determining, like, well, people

00:51:24.660 will criticize me for my position.

00:51:26.580 Like, well, I didn't start here.

00:51:29.760 I slowly changed these things like bit by bit.

00:51:34.580 And it's like grinding a stone down.

00:51:37.280 Yeah.

00:51:37.420 It was not a quick process.

00:51:38.800 It was not an easy process.

00:51:40.060 And I really had to unpack all these ideas.

00:51:44.160 And so when somebody challenges me on something, it's like, well, I don't casually dive into

00:51:50.300 these things.

00:51:51.580 Like I try to explore these issues.

00:51:54.640 It's, I don't think a lot of these people have fully explored these ideas in the same

00:52:02.500 way because it's, they're assumed to be morally correct.

00:52:07.300 So like, well, yeah, I'm, I'm morally right.

00:52:09.840 They just remember the talking points and they can dismiss the other side with them

00:52:15.960 being evil bigots. 0.91

00:52:18.320 Yes. 0.94

00:52:19.020 Which comes hand in hand with what we're talking about before is that's a replacement for

00:52:23.460 critical thinking.

00:52:25.200 Yeah.

00:52:25.800 And that's, and that also reminds me of something I wanted to say earlier when you were saying

00:52:30.840 about how, um, in Canadian politics and you were talking about how there, there's a dearth

00:52:38.900 of people, of politicians speaking on principles rather than, rather than talking points basically,

00:52:46.820 because this I feel is, is sort of what has plagued Polyev right now in that it's, it's

00:52:54.740 very obvious that the reason why the liberal party was announcing that Mark Carney did it

00:52:59.840 and he, he canceled the carbon tax because Pierre Polyev wasn't talking about for the

00:53:07.000 last year and a half how Canadians are taxed too much in general.

00:53:12.960 He had the phrase, the saying on all the ads acts the tax, the conservatives and Polyev 0.84

00:53:18.040 government are going to acts the tax.

00:53:19.420 Well, now I know that they haven't really done it because they can't do it because as

00:53:24.280 we said, parliament is prorogued, but okay.

00:53:28.020 So now Carney's canceled the carbon tax.

00:53:29.800 So now what does Polyev have?

00:53:31.020 So, so now he can, he has a choice.

00:53:32.800 Either he can do what he's doing or he's saying, well, they haven't really canceled the

00:53:36.440 carbon tax, which is true.

00:53:37.600 But if he was arguing from a point of principles from the beginning of Canadians are taxed too

00:53:43.540 much, we're importing too many people, which is pushing the cost of housing up and the, and

00:53:49.220 the, the standard of living down, uh, you know, our healthcare system is broken.

00:53:55.000 Our education system is broken.

00:53:57.520 You know, he's not talking on principles like this.

00:53:59.880 He's talking in slogans and it, and I think it's done him a real disservice now because unfortunately

00:54:05.880 the liberals now have a little bit of steam and momentum behind them on this fresh face. 0.99

00:54:10.520 And so they can do shit like this. 0.99

00:54:12.180 You know, if, if Polyev is going to talk in talking points, well, then the liberals can 0.99

00:54:16.240 respond to talking points and then they, and, and they also can avoid talking about things

00:54:21.080 on principle, which we know to be, to be true.

00:54:23.660 We know Canadians are taxed too much. 1.00

00:54:25.580 We know our dollar is dog shit. 1.00

00:54:27.260 We know our economy is based on a false housing market. 1.00

00:54:29.620 Like we know all these things are true, but if we don't talk about, like you say, the

00:54:33.640 root causes of these things, well, we leave ourselves open to this sort of like very surface

00:54:38.960 level politics where it's just sloganeering against each other.

00:54:41.800 And then, and nothing actually helps the average Canadian underneath it.

00:54:46.700 Exactly.

00:54:47.360 It's, it doesn't get far enough down.

00:54:49.520 And I guess the average citizen doesn't engage with these issues on the deeper level, um,

00:54:56.720 to play, to steal me on the other side though, I'm wondering if Pierre went a little bit

00:55:05.600 harder with his, like to root cause with talking about immigration, would he, would the smear

00:55:13.300 have been too much to handle?

00:55:16.360 Yeah.

00:55:16.720 Like it, it would, it would have gave too much ammo and would the average person just be

00:55:23.060 like, well, look at how racist, like, would it, would it be a Trump level amount of ammo

00:55:29.320 to run on?

00:55:31.940 Um, and, and I think over time that's been able to be the conversation, even the liberals

00:55:39.980 will say like, well, maybe we need to slow down a little bit.

00:55:43.920 Yeah.

00:55:44.400 But like, so the, the acceptable amount of like the, the entire discussions kind of it's

00:55:55.000 come back to a place where we actually can talk about immigration for a little while.

00:56:00.060 You couldn't even, we, we had early, some of our podcasts like a year ago, we're doing

00:56:05.840 that and be like, ah, is this too much?

00:56:08.020 Like, are we like, are you poking the bear too much?

00:56:11.760 Like we felt a little racist for talking about immigration, but yeah, even with some friends

00:56:20.040 who immigrated a couple of years ago who were against excessive immigration thinking like,

00:56:27.000 well, okay, I worked this hard to immigrate and then these other people are not.

00:56:32.500 So, well, man, I always tell, I always tell people this, like, if you're, if you're concerned

00:56:38.020 because the, because the, like, everyone knows when we're talking about immigration, there's

00:56:42.500 a particular demographic that is disproportionately represented in Canadian immigration numbers

00:56:47.240 and it's Indians.

00:56:49.000 And there is no one who will tell you faster what type of Indian we should be immigrating

00:56:55.040 than another Indian. 0.77

00:56:57.080 Yeah.

00:56:57.600 They, they have very strong opinions.

00:56:59.760 Yes.

00:57:00.180 Anyone who knows, who like grew up, like, man, both of us have like tons of Indian friends

00:57:05.640 that we grew up with in school and like guys who, you know, people who have been here, you

00:57:09.860 know, since in the kind of, I don't know, maybe there was a, maybe there was a big, you

00:57:14.760 know, a wave of immigrants from India in the nineties or something.

00:57:17.280 Cause it seemed like we, you know, we went to school with a lot of them, but, um, I cannot

00:57:21.860 tell you the amount of them that I know who are like, who, who's just straight up sound

00:57:25.860 like super racist.

00:57:26.800 Like they would say it in a way that we would definitely not say it.

00:57:29.560 Cause it's like, they have a definite conception of like what cast, you know, I believe is

00:57:35.700 the, is their term of, of people, you know, that they want to associate with.

00:57:39.040 And if they don't want to associate with them, like they will say horrifying stuff about

00:57:43.680 them.

00:57:43.900 So it's like, no, you're not being racist to just notice that there's a disproportionate

00:57:50.240 amount of people coming from a certain part of the world over here.

00:57:52.980 That doesn't mean you hate those people.

00:57:54.360 It means that you, uh, you don't like the effect that that, like they could have been

00:57:59.160 from any, I tell this to everyone and we, I've said it before, if we were importing 400,000

00:58:04.520 Finnish people per year, I would have the same opinion about it. 0.99

00:58:08.340 There's too many, there's too many Finnish people here. 1.00

00:58:10.460 We're importing too many fins, you know, it doesn't have anything to do with skin color.

00:58:13.680 It has everything to do with just raw numbers and its effect on a country.

00:58:20.020 The, uh, calling them Finns is probably an ethnic slur at that point.

00:58:27.340 Yeah.

00:58:27.780 Their, uh, their, their name, like the actual name for Finland, I believe is like, they call

00:58:31.800 it Suomi.

00:58:32.880 Like that's what it shows in all their hockey jerseys and stuff.

00:58:35.180 It's like not even close to Finland.

00:58:36.940 And yeah, well, you hit the nail rail on the head of like, well, it's the amount, but it's

00:58:43.220 also the, the extent which assimilation happens.

00:58:48.420 Cause we talk about like, well, melting is like, is Canada really a melting pot?

00:58:53.080 And we look at the history of like, well, um, even in, I don't have, maybe I won't get

00:59:01.720 the number right.

00:59:02.560 In the U S it's slightly different than Canada, but Canada was even like 85 to 90% white, even

00:59:10.000 into like the eighties and nineties.

00:59:11.900 Yeah.

00:59:12.460 Yeah.

00:59:12.660 It was still predominantly like the percentage.

00:59:16.980 And it's funny with given that as a starting point and then listening to all these conversations

00:59:24.860 about like white supremacy of like, well, white people doing better than other minorities

00:59:30.200 in Canada, like, well, of course there's going to be a majority representation in a majority

00:59:38.000 country.

00:59:38.600 If it, if it, if it started with a certain demographic.

00:59:42.860 Yeah.

00:59:43.260 If you have an established, you know, family that's been here for, you know, a hundred years

00:59:46.600 or whatever, of course, that's going to be.

00:59:48.520 Well, and so, and that's part of it, but I guess within that, that was European and that

00:59:56.120 was Christian, but you also had like, well, you had the Catholics and you had the Protestants

01:00:00.060 and you didn't always get along.

01:00:02.100 You also didn't always get along between depending on what European country, this was immigrating.

01:00:08.400 Like, well, um, the Irish had a really rough time in North America and some were indentured

01:00:16.420 servants and like it just because of the skin color, like the people that founded the founded 0.99

01:00:24.040 US and Canada, like it wasn't an easy time.

01:00:29.140 And even, even just because they were just from Europe didn't mean there wasn't conflict.

01:00:37.040 That's exactly right.

01:00:38.180 Well, and, and to that point, I'll make two points.

01:00:42.040 Uh, I just recently read a book called the weirdest people in the world and, and weird

01:00:47.460 was all capital.

01:00:48.540 It was a, uh, an acronym for, uh, Western educated.

01:00:53.340 Um, I can't remember the, the, the, the acronym, but I'll, I'll find it.

01:00:58.620 Um, and they were talking about, um, yeah, the weirdest people in the world by Joseph Heinrich

01:01:05.540 and it stands for, um, the subtitle is, uh, how, um, the West became particularly, uh, what,

01:01:17.600 how the West became psychologically peculiar and particularly prosperous.

01:01:21.660 It's a tough word to say.

01:01:25.440 Um, uh, but, uh, yeah, what's the, uh, oh man, I'll have to, I'll have to post it somewhere

01:01:32.980 else.

01:01:33.280 Anyway, um, they were talking about Irish people in the book.

01:01:37.860 It was still, yeah, here it is.

01:01:38.600 Western educated, industrialized, rich democratic.

01:01:42.740 That's what weird stands for.

01:01:44.680 Western educated, industrialized, rich democratic.

01:01:48.440 And you know, there, it's a big, it's a pretty big book.

01:01:50.700 It was an audio book, so I didn't read it.

01:01:52.200 I listened to it, but whatever.

01:01:53.620 Uh, it was like 19 hours long.

01:01:55.080 It was an investment of time.

01:01:56.520 Um, uh, and he talks about how specifically with the Irish immigration into the U S in

01:02:02.120 the, in the early 1900s, late 1800s, early 1900s.

01:02:06.120 Um, they initially were like very poorly treated.

01:02:10.300 They were not well integrated and they were not, they didn't have a good time.

01:02:13.200 They were, they were considered in some areas, like they were classified under the same,

01:02:17.820 um, classification that, um, they classified black people as like, as separate from, from,

01:02:24.080 from whites.

01:02:24.540 Like they were, they were classified away from whites and it took like significant, uh, outreach

01:02:30.820 programs by the Catholic church in, in the Eastern United States to like, in as many words,

01:02:36.920 like civilize the, the Irish immigrants into the U S into like a higher standard of living

01:02:41.860 way of life because, you know, not, this isn't a justification of any, you know, poor treatment

01:02:48.040 of people, but like they were, it was just objective that the Irish immigrants at that

01:02:52.380 time were living a much more like kind of, you know, culturally, uh, primitive, you know,

01:02:59.760 comparatively way of life to the, to the naturalized Americans at that time.

01:03:03.340 And so, you know, it wasn't considered racist to, you know, uh, integrate these people into

01:03:10.440 a, into a different way of living.

01:03:11.680 It was necessary to avoid the, the type of blowback that they were receiving as a group

01:03:16.420 of people, you know, sometimes very unjustifiably.

01:03:19.700 So, which my second point is you look at the difference between like, if you maybe wanted

01:03:27.060 to say the, the, the next most, um, represented group of immigrants in Canada, I think most people

01:03:33.140 would agree, at least in this part of the country where we are in Alberta is Filipinos.

01:03:37.640 Lots of Filipinos have emigrated to Canada in the last 20, 30 years, but we don't hear the

01:03:44.300 same discourse surrounding Filipino Canadians as we do with Indian Canadians, because in my

01:03:50.520 opinion, and probably the opinion of others, the Philippines are a Catholic country.

01:03:55.040 So they're much, they're, they're instantly more in line with the traditional Western values

01:04:01.200 that have built this part of the world and they integrate a little bit easier.

01:04:04.420 They, they, they are more apt to just kind of be natural into living this, this lifestyle

01:04:10.960 that we do in the West than Indians are. 0.87

01:04:13.120 Indians are very proud people.

01:04:14.440 They have a very distinct culture that grew completely independently from the West for

01:04:18.680 thousands of years.

01:04:19.880 So of course there's going to be a difference in how they know how to live their lives in

01:04:25.000 their everyday lives versus the average Canadians.

01:04:27.300 And of course, because of that, there's going to be conflict for better or worse.

01:04:30.480 It's not saying like, no one is saying that, you know, you can't maintain your certain,

01:04:36.880 you know, the, the, the cultural features of your homeland that make you feel comfortable

01:04:40.640 and, and, you know, loved in your communities.

01:04:42.640 But in the, by the same token, no, no Canadian that I know anyway, would dream of moving to

01:04:51.000 India and forcing Indians to live in a, in a Western Canadian way of life. 0.97

01:04:56.240 Like it just, it never seems to work the other way, you know?

01:04:59.880 Yeah.

01:05:00.380 It's, it's assuming a lot that like, well, this place that is not my home has to conform

01:05:07.540 to me as an outsider.

01:05:10.620 You wouldn't see it in Japan, like you wouldn't go to Japan and like, you wouldn't claim discrimination

01:05:18.000 of like, well, they didn't hire me.

01:05:19.620 It's like, well, how's your Japanese?

01:05:20.900 Like, well, I know like 40 phrases and my Japanese is kind of broken.

01:05:26.420 Like, well, you would obviously, yeah, you'd see some advantages to, well, better, like

01:05:36.540 better resonating with either the culture of where you're moving to the language or some

01:05:42.100 of these other values.

01:05:43.180 So yeah, the Filipino with them being Catholic, that is obviously a, it makes that so much 1.00

01:05:51.260 easier.

01:05:51.740 And I feel like such a smoother transition.

01:05:53.680 When people adopt the values of a place and that is, has established values, I feel like

01:06:03.060 people are a lot more welcoming and you can see this, Japan's a perfect example of the

01:06:09.480 people who live there and they learn the language and the customs and they resonate with culture.

01:06:16.840 Like people are quite friendly to them.

01:06:19.340 Like they love that.

01:06:20.260 They're, yeah.

01:06:20.920 They're, they're happy.

01:06:21.760 Go ahead.

01:06:24.220 Yeah.

01:06:24.400 They're, they're happy that you put in the effort to adopt these cultures and their principles.

01:06:31.780 Yes.

01:06:32.280 Yeah.

01:06:32.520 Well, I was going to say they like, it's only like, you know, North Americans that say it's

01:06:37.260 like cultural appropriation to wear a kimono or whatever. 1.00

01:06:40.360 If you're like into Japanese culture, they love that shit. 1.00

01:06:42.740 They like, they love the, you know, Oh, you want to partake in our culture. 1.00

01:06:46.720 Like that's like, what an honor to, you know, they, they feel, um, ascent because they have

01:06:52.260 such a, uh, uh, a firm cultural identity that they're proud of that they feel honored when

01:06:59.160 other people take the time to, to learn about it and partake in it, which is, I feel like

01:07:03.480 how it should be, you know, like Daryl Cooper, who we're, we're both fans of, um, Martyr Made

01:07:07.740 podcast was recently on Joe Rogan and he was saying, he was talking about actually Ireland

01:07:13.040 as well.

01:07:13.500 I think you probably watched it where he said, you know, Ireland's on track to be like, like

01:07:18.320 white people are, are like Irish people are expected to be a minority by 2070.

01:07:23.220 Yeah.

01:07:23.700 In Ireland.

01:07:24.080 And the funny thing is these, those kinds of statements, they're celebrated.

01:07:30.080 Yeah.

01:07:30.740 Yeah.

01:07:31.160 And, but apply that to any other country.

01:07:33.440 Um, if you said in Japan, like they are destined to be a minority in their own country, they'd 0.99

01:07:40.240 be like, well, well, that's not good.

01:07:42.360 Like what's going to happen.

01:07:43.160 They would never allow it.

01:07:44.200 What's going to happen to the Japanese culture in that case?

01:07:48.460 Yeah.

01:07:48.880 Um, and that, well, and that's, and that's what he said.

01:07:50.480 He's like, you know, he's like, I, I believe that true diversity would, would mean, you know,

01:07:56.520 China is for Chinese people and India is for Indian people and Ireland is for Irish people. 0.94

01:08:02.500 Like that, like when you're traveling the world, you don't want to have it be that anywhere

01:08:07.900 you go is just this like identical cultural mishmash of like, like nondescript, you know, 0.93

01:08:15.320 global citizenry.

01:08:16.860 Like, no, you want, you want to go to Ireland because you, you want to go to an Irish pub

01:08:21.540 and interact with Irish people.

01:08:22.840 Like you, you want that to be the case.

01:08:24.320 You want to go to, if you, if you want to visit India or you want to visit Tanzania or

01:08:29.840 you want to visit, you know, Japan, like you want those cultures to be like true diversity

01:08:35.920 is when you can experience all those cultures in their true forms and not have them be a 0.99

01:08:40.920 melting pot, quote unquote, of no, of some post-national identity.

01:08:45.080 Like that's, it's such, that isn't what I, what diversity is.

01:08:48.340 And further, why is it that only the traditionally, the very small part of the globe that is traditionally

01:08:56.900 known as white nations, white Western nations, why are they the only ones that need to become

01:09:02.820 multicultural?

01:09:04.200 Who's fighting to make Saudi Arabia multicultural or to make it a lore multicultural, Bangladesh 1.00

01:09:11.260 multicultural?

01:09:12.100 You know what I mean?

01:09:12.540 It's because if a predominantly white country doesn't say predominantly white, they're going 0.99

01:09:18.280 to turn into a, a Nazi state.

01:09:21.500 That's the fear.

01:09:23.120 It's, it comes down to the post-war consensus, right?

01:09:26.500 The, yeah.

01:09:26.960 Like you, you got to have diversity because unified, strong, unified national identities are ultimately

01:09:35.000 dangerous.

01:09:36.140 Um, under that, under that idea.

01:09:39.320 So, and then, and there's more examples of, you know, general.

01:09:42.540 General ignorance by the average, you know, Canadian or American or Westerner in general,

01:09:46.660 because the West does not have a monopoly on fascist or, uh, communist governments for

01:09:55.820 certainly.

01:09:56.940 Yeah.

01:09:57.560 The, well, and then you run into cases of like you apply any of these principles to somewhere

01:10:03.020 else and it suddenly it becomes hateful.

01:10:07.180 Um, there's a certain court on the internet that is jokingly like they have these like

01:10:15.460 fake advertising complaints of like, well, we need more immigration and more diversity

01:10:20.700 in Israel and they are not happy about it.

01:10:24.440 Like, well, and they treat that as well, no, that's, that's genocidal because that's, you're

01:10:30.040 trying to erase, you're trying to erase our people by doing that.

01:10:33.860 Yeah.

01:10:34.680 And you're like, well, if that's the admission, why isn't that true for Ireland?

01:10:41.320 Why isn't that true for any other?

01:10:42.500 Yeah.

01:10:42.600 Did the Scots not deserve a country? 0.97

01:10:43.620 Did the Angles not deserve a country? 1.00

01:10:45.960 Did the Poles not deserve a country? 1.00

01:10:49.080 Yeah.

01:10:49.320 And, and even in Canada, I guess you can, we're trying to like define what a Canadian is.

01:10:55.740 And we look at, you, you can look at a first generation, um, you look at somebody who's

01:11:04.840 born in Canada, it doesn't matter their skin color.

01:11:07.700 You can tell the Canadian-ness through just their vibes.

01:11:12.380 Instantly, instantly.

01:11:13.880 And, and the, even that difference between somebody who's born in Canada, went through

01:11:20.560 the Canadian school system and then grew up with all the cultural aspects versus somebody

01:11:26.360 who speaks English really well and adopts it later on.

01:11:30.780 We can tell the difference.

01:11:32.800 Totally.

01:11:33.640 Totally can.

01:11:34.380 It's, and not to say that the latter is, is bad.

01:11:38.040 Like if that's somebody who's adopted our like Canadian values, great.

01:11:41.380 But it is funny.

01:11:43.220 You can tell, you can tell the difference and or people are warmer to somebody who grew

01:11:50.640 up from birth just because these things resonate a little bit more.

01:11:55.300 Yeah.

01:11:55.900 Well, and there's, there's a certain like, um, I can see a certain, you know, evolutionary

01:12:01.980 utility behind that because it, you know, it makes sense.

01:12:04.480 Like, you know, you're the, we, in the West, we, we have the, I think, unique advantage

01:12:11.340 of living in a high trust society because that's just sort of, that's just sort of a,

01:12:15.700 um, a side effect of, of Western cultures that find their roots in Christianity.

01:12:21.840 Like that, that's just, that's just something sort of unique to the, to the Christian world,

01:12:27.260 the, the Christian Western world that the rest of the world didn't get because that's, 0.65

01:12:32.960 you know, whatever your opinion on Christianity is, that's just sort of a, an effect of it.

01:12:38.100 You, it leads to open society.

01:12:39.620 They do have open arms in a way.

01:12:41.200 They're like, well, Christ loves everybody.

01:12:42.800 Like, well, yeah.

01:12:44.560 So there is a baked in anti-racist component to Christianity that not all other religions

01:12:53.840 have that in them.

01:12:55.700 Well, that's exactly right.

01:12:56.960 And, and also in that book, I just mentioned that the weirdest people in the world, they,

01:13:00.020 he talks to about how, excuse me, in the, um, I believe it was in the, like late thousands

01:13:08.780 or 1100s, something around there, you know, to the, to the 1200s.

01:13:13.080 Um, are you familiar, have you heard of the MFP, like the Catholic churches, MFP?

01:13:17.680 Have you heard that acronym before?

01:13:19.160 I'm not sure.

01:13:20.160 It stands for the, the marriage and family program.

01:13:23.460 That's what the, so the, the, the Catholic church in the, in the, you know, early 11th,

01:13:28.240 12th century, they restricted, essentially what they did was they restricted cousin marriage.

01:13:35.280 It was very, it was very common in most, I mean, it is still very common today in a

01:13:39.300 lot of, uh, middle Eastern and, uh, and, uh, you know, the subcontinent, uh, cousin

01:13:45.000 marriage is very common.

01:13:45.860 Uh, you know, societies are very low trust.

01:13:48.560 Societies have high rates of cousin marriage because they're naturally just distrustful of

01:13:55.840 people outside of their, their community clan.

01:13:59.000 And so for various reasons, you know, it's, there's a whole book about it, but for various

01:14:02.520 reasons, the, the Catholic church instituted the marriage and family program, which restricted

01:14:06.580 cousin marriage to, I believe it was the sixth, sixth, uh, uh, step, you know, like you couldn't

01:14:13.400 marry your, you had to go six, uh, steps away from your family.

01:14:18.340 And what that had the effect of doing was, you know, if you were in a, if you lived in

01:14:22.320 a small town and like the Roman empire, like there's a very high chance that like no one

01:14:28.140 in your community was further away from you than two or three steps.

01:14:31.640 So if you couldn't legally get married to any of those people, you had to expand your circle.

01:14:37.040 You had to move about the country.

01:14:38.340 You had to go to, go to different lands and meet new people.

01:14:40.780 Like that is a direct, we can see how that would create a much more open society because

01:14:46.260 people were forced to, to meld and integrate and become more worldly people and expand their

01:14:52.000 circles.

01:14:52.380 And so, you know, there's obviously, you know, more knock on effects from that, but in creating

01:14:56.740 an open society like that and, and having those values come, you know, passed down to us here,

01:15:02.160 you know, a thousand years later, you know, we have a very unique, we're in a very unique

01:15:06.600 spot now compared to the rest of the world that I think people both take for granted and

01:15:12.920 opens them up to being taken advantage of because, because of the natural inclination that we have

01:15:19.080 here to be welcoming, perhaps at our own detriment of various other cultures that don't share

01:15:24.820 those values.

01:15:26.280 Yeah.

01:15:26.440 I think that's a feature of Christianity as well as liberalism that it, it can be,

01:15:36.600 there can be too much of a good thing in those kinds of cases.

01:15:40.060 And it's also, you get into cases where like, even the idea of diversity gets like, well,

01:15:47.860 what does that actually mean?

01:15:49.420 You go to Europe and they're like, well, that European is not just like you, you go to England

01:15:56.720 and like genetically there is a lot of variety between the Nordic and Slavic and you go to Turkey

01:16:05.640 and you have a whole other mix of people there and you go back to Spain and it is not a ethnically

01:16:14.840 homogenized place.

01:16:16.380 But in our, in our, in how we view the West and how we view our DEI framework, white isn't ever 0.95

01:16:26.900 expanding category and it's actually reducing diversity.

01:16:33.380 like white, white's just not Brown, but even like, I guess, then you're like, well, what

01:16:45.260 happens when you're a quarter black and what happens when you're like, you run into these

01:16:49.860 logical questions where it's useful.

01:16:53.340 Like if you can claim it, then it's useful, then you can just play the game.

01:16:58.120 And so I, I, I'm glad we circled back and like talked about kind of the like foundations

01:17:06.320 of Canada because that gets woven into, well, what's our national identity.

01:17:12.540 And I am aware that there are some more nationalistic types that are now saying like, well, my is

01:17:25.860 like, I'm seventh generation Canadians and I, I have a, like my great, great, great grandfather

01:17:33.060 was sailed down the St. Lawrence and did this and that.

01:17:36.820 Yeah. And for them, they, they feel like that gives them more of a claim to what Canada, like

01:17:43.760 the Canadian identity is because of that.

01:17:47.340 Yeah. And I feel like we're into a losing battle at that point because, um, these, the, it's a no

01:17:54.780 true Scotsman situation, literally like at that point. And some of them are Scottish and some of them

01:18:01.820 are not true Scottish. So, um, those are the new fees, right? But, uh, what I wanted to touch on

01:18:10.480 is that the rise in kind of anger orientated unity, it's the lowest resolution way to unify people.

01:18:24.860 And that exists when people are marginalized. And I don't, I don't like, I don't love using that

01:18:31.640 word, but I mean, like when people are gaslit into not being allowed an identity or not being

01:18:39.340 allowed to be either like, if you're not, if you can't be proud to be European or you can't be proud

01:18:46.380 to be, um, like if there's a certain range of origins that people can't be proud of, then that's

01:18:56.500 going to push people into like, well, they feel that hate. And then that pushes them into a corner.

01:19:03.060 And then that's the unifying principle around them. And I feel like all of this anti-European

01:19:10.960 sentiment, anti-Christian, that's going to create the enemy that they're so, that they're so fearful

01:19:18.980 in the first place. And it doesn't exist when these rules are applied equally to everybody.

01:19:27.260 Yes. Yes, that's for sure. And it's, um, yeah, maybe that's a good place to, to kind of wrap her up

01:19:34.700 for, for right now. Cause this could be a whole nother hour, but you could, yeah, you could dive into

01:19:39.400 that for a whole, whole hour to unpack that. Yeah. But, but yeah, you know, to, to kind of wrap

01:19:44.640 her up, I think that that's, it's, it's sort of a, uh, it's sort of a, uh, maybe part of the human

01:19:54.220 condition to like the thing that you fear the most, maybe you, you just end up behaving in a way that

01:20:03.560 brings that into your life. You know what I mean? Like if you're, if you're so fearful of

01:20:09.220 of, you know, uh, an ideology coming for you and that's all you can, can think about and that's

01:20:15.340 all you can see, it, it soon consumes your life to the point where it's, it may as well be true to

01:20:22.360 you, even if it isn't objectively true. You know what I mean? So there's, um, yeah, this is getting

01:20:28.760 very esoteric and maybe, maybe very, very high level right now, but, uh, yeah, I, I guess, you know,

01:20:34.480 at the end of the day, we, we have to, I think we have to not be afraid. Like the, the, the Canadian

01:20:40.780 way is to be very, you know, we're very meek. We're very, we like to think we're very kind and

01:20:48.080 we're very welcoming and we're very accepting, but you can't, I think Gad Saad would call that

01:20:55.640 suicidal empathy and you can't be. So in the same way that, you know, this, the saying goes,

01:21:02.700 like, you can't be so open-minded that your brains fall out. The same way you can't, you

01:21:07.360 can't be so welcoming and, and, and accepting of, uh, diversity that you allow that diversity

01:21:13.100 to, to kill the spirit that allowed it to be accepted in the first place. Yeah. Yeah.

01:21:17.920 There are, there are ways, there are ways we could definitely go backwards in trying to

01:21:23.200 fix the problem. You become, you become a monster in the process. So, yeah. Well, what did

01:21:29.860 was it Nietzsche that said, uh, be careful if you stare into the void for the, for the

01:21:35.900 void also stares back into you. Something like that. Yeah. I think that's, it's in, in the

01:21:41.460 same realm. So on that cheery note. So I think in, in, to answer my question that I, I opened

01:21:47.360 the episode with, have we determined that I am in fact a better Canadian than you and a

01:21:52.000 better person in general because of it? Yes. That is a, that's the answer is yes.

01:21:57.140 And I can do it. See, look, that just goes back to our early point. And I can do that

01:22:01.900 as a very obviously less white person than you. So how about that? That's diversity, 0.72

01:22:07.220 my friend. That is diversity. The, what matters is to tie it back to what I said before, what

01:22:14.740 matters is what's on the inside. And I consumed more Canadian beef today than you did, which

01:22:20.840 makes me more like more actually more, more Canadian by, by kilogram. If we're going by

01:22:30.140 weight. So yeah, you're the, you're the pound for pound champion. Yeah. I'm I've internalized.

01:22:36.480 I've internalized it. It's on the inside. Oh man. Okay. Well, Hey, you know what on that,

01:22:41.220 on that, that's a much better note to leave it on than a Nietzsche quote. So always appreciate

01:22:45.280 it, man. Oh yeah. That was a good one. I'm glad we could, we, we dove into a few good,

01:22:51.060 few good ones. So I hope everybody enjoyed this one or the ones stuck all the way to the end. So

01:22:56.700 yeah, I always appreciate you guys. We'll have this, uh, we'll have links to everything we talked

01:23:01.600 about. We'll have, uh, uh, this up on, uh, Spotify, YouTube, Twitter, X, I mean, all the,

01:23:08.460 uh, all the platforms. Uh, thanks as always and, uh, appreciate it. And we'll see you soon.

01:23:15.140 All right. Cheers. Cheers.

01:23:16.560 Bye.

The Critical Compass Podcast - March 31, 2025

Mark Carney Liberals, Unhinged Tax & Spend Geopolitics, & the Canadian Immigration Debate

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