00:00:50.000Let's say a child says, I want my leg chopped off.
00:00:57.000And the parents say, yes, my child should be an amputee because they have an innate amputee identity and it's their true self.
00:01:09.000Should the parents be able to make that decision?
00:01:12.000Well, I would be appalled at that result.
00:01:17.000But my question back to you is, if not, then what is the principle upon which we distinguish that situation from the situation where, for example, the parents and the child don't want to get vaccinated?
00:01:32.000And the state says, well, that's not a good idea.
00:02:28.000But I think the point that Bruce is making is, is you always have to be on sound principles, because the reality is, is there's going to be bad decisions made.
00:02:37.000There's, there are going to be bad decisions made.
00:02:40.000So there's, we're going to face situations going, that's a tragedy.
00:02:45.000But if we want to then go, that shouldn't be allowed.
00:02:49.000Because the reality is, is throughout history, the biggest maimer, the biggest torture, the biggest killer is always when power is concentrated in the hands of decision makers.
00:02:59.000So I have, I side totally with Bruce on this one, because really what's happening is, is we're saying, well, yes, but what about this hypothetical?
00:03:21.000I just want to ask though, because in, in the, if we're looking at the field in general, and you've got the field of gender medicine completely ignoring the stacks and stacks of evidence that this is not ethical, this is harmful.
00:03:40.000Is there not a place for the government to step in and just say, you have to look at the evidence, you can't ignore the evidence.
00:04:35.000So, um, if that's a lie and we know it's a lie, uh, just like we know it's, it's, it's a lie that somebody is better off with only one leg.
00:04:48.000So, so, so, deciding whether or not it's government or a doctor or whatever, we, we have to make these decisions based upon a dedication to truth, foundational truth.
00:04:58.000Trans judgment is a lie that it's wrong, not just for kids.
00:05:48.000So, I think the problem is, this is, again, we're conflating because when you say, oh, but you know, there is no transgenderism, that's always wrong.
00:06:00.000Well, let's say we accept that as valid.
00:06:03.000Let's say we don't want children to be subjected to that.
00:06:08.000It still doesn't lead us to the state having a say over the final say in medical decisions, which leads us into bad places.
00:06:19.000Then the question is, well, how do we protect a child from a bad decision?
00:06:24.000Well, wouldn't, couldn't that be charging the parents criminally for failing to provide necessities of life?
00:06:29.000Which hasn't taken the parents' right to make the decision away, which doesn't put us in the danger of the state saying, you must be vaccinated or you must do this, you must do that.
00:06:39.000I mean, sometimes we, we knee jerk because of something bad that happens instead of stepping back and saying, well, okay, if we really have this problem in, in enough of a way that we need to react as a society, then what's the best way of solving this problem without creating a better problem?
00:06:58.000And my answer to Leighton would be, you know, obviously comes up to mind failing to provide necessities of life type thing.
00:07:05.000Like, but, but if we, if we ever abandon, like, cause I'm so with Bruce on this, if we ever allow the state to have the control, we know historically that that's when bad things happen.
00:07:17.000But that's different than just saying, okay, we have a problem. How do we best deal with this problem?