The Critical Compass Podcast - Pre-Election Round Table w⧸YakkStakk, Eva Chipiuk, Martyupnorth

00:00:00.000 month on the federal side of things for Canada. And I'm actually really happy to have a room full

00:00:07.700 of people to have a great discussion with, but please feel free to tie in on the comment side

00:00:13.160 of things. A little housekeeping on things. This is potentially one of my last live stream videos.

00:00:20.920 So just because of the municipal campaign that I'm on, time, what it is, I don't have a lot of

00:00:29.020 time for these things. And yeah, the costs are not something that I'm willing to incur

00:00:37.040 much anymore. And the rates have more than doubled. So potentially, this could be your

00:00:44.080 signature. This could be our final call. And in that, I'm excited to have the guests that I have

00:00:51.680 inside of this. On the campaign side of things, I got to say, running for city council has opened

00:00:58.460 up a wide world of politics, and I've met some just absolutely fantastic and amazing people.

00:01:07.100 I hope you follow me throughout my campaign and throughout the amazing people that I'm meeting,

00:01:13.780 the businesses, the community centers. Today, I was out with my mentor, Eric Bouchard, MLA Eric

00:01:24.360 Bouchard, Shane Wenzel, Executive Director for the CMSA. I'm promoting an initiative called

00:01:35.540 Fields for Our Future because I think that this is what Calgary needs. I think that this is what

00:01:40.740 our generation owes to the generation's upcoming. When we look at costs and expenditures for what

00:01:47.360 the city's actually putting out, of course there are cost-cutting measures that can be made,

00:01:53.060 but we can't sacrifice our future generations to those cost-sitting measures.

00:01:57.640 So we're looking at coming into a political situation where, you know, a lot of us are hoping for a more conservative-styled government,

00:02:09.640 something that we can kind of get our hands around, our heads around for spending so that we're not continuously building this chain of debt into future generations.

00:02:19.760 And, you know, I encourage everybody to make sure that they make it out for their voting if they haven't already been one of the 7 million people that have cast their ballots early.

00:02:33.120 And if you're in Calgary, I want you to come out and make sure that you get your voice heard.

00:02:38.160 civic responsibility. And it is a responsibility is to make sure that you're engaged in the

00:02:44.760 conversations, that you're somewhat knowledgeable about the people that you want to be not leading

00:02:51.940 you. And this is very important, but representing you inside of your community and to make sure

00:02:58.820 that your voice gets heard through those people. So with that, I'm going to start off in introducing

00:03:04.240 and some of our guests here.

00:03:06.280 I'm, of course, going to start ladies first.

00:03:08.500 Eva Chipia, needs no introduction inside of the conversation.

00:03:14.020 Marty Up North, Martin Melanger, great friend.

00:03:17.600 Happy to always have him on a conversation.

00:03:20.860 And James and Mike from the Critical Compass.

00:03:25.480 One of the, and this can't be said loud enough,

00:03:29.120 One of the independent voices that gets no funding from the Canadian dollars that's out there to have conversations that sometimes other people don't want to have.

00:03:41.060 So, guys, thanks a lot for, you know, actually, it was the critical compass that threw this together.

00:03:48.660 I'm just fortunate enough to host it.

00:03:52.020 So, Mike and James, thanks a lot for getting us all together, finding a time that's conducive to all of us.

00:03:58.360 and oh you know what actually there's there's one more thing i think that

00:04:03.620 uh sean newman and and twos are doing a live stream i hope we're not interfering with that

00:04:11.320 if we are uh i am recording this it will be posted on my sub stack and through youtube at

00:04:18.200 later time so i mean tune into the channel that you want to tune into and make sure that you you

00:04:24.220 come back to us if you if you had to leave and join sean and twos they're they're they're both

00:04:29.580 going to be amazing conversations and i know that and i i just don't want to make sure i just want

00:04:34.700 to make sure that i'm not you know trying to trying to cop the uh the audience from them so

00:04:41.820 guys welcome to the conversation i don't even know where we begin with this i mean this has been an

00:04:46.780 insane month so let's get at it go ahead i'm gonna i'm gonna challenge you on that i i find that um

00:04:57.500 i find that this is one of the most boring

00:05:02.220 that i remember in a long time like you know to me the most like you know the two can it's a two

00:05:08.300 horse race right now right i mean nobody's talking about jagmeet or elizabeth may it's pierre and

00:05:13.500 mark carney and they both moved so close to the middle they're like literally stealing each other's

00:05:20.140 ideas and and and constantly and the only thing interesting for me has been trying to figure out

00:05:27.100 who's leading but otherwise like no controversy no bozo eruption no scandals no nothing new that's

00:05:35.100 the other thing the promises and and like when i'm watching both leaders i'll be critical of

00:05:40.540 both leaders all leaders nothing new like i'm like wow we're in you know we're in 2025 and and people

00:05:46.700 are just basically recycling really old ideas no scandals nothing i mean we've had like compared

00:05:55.100 to i don't know what do you think was the scandal this i i i don't i i think i can relate to what

00:06:00.700 marty is saying though because i feel like i think what he's saying too is there's been so much

00:06:05.260 build up like we've been waiting for an election a federal election i think for years and then here

00:06:11.340 we have 30 days into this campaign and it's kind of like yeah no new big like explosive things

00:06:18.060 coming like this is where like that's what's gone on bad with that we've been living this campaign

00:06:24.220 for three years i that's how i feel at least like it's not it's anticlimactic right i mean it's it's

00:06:32.540 um yeah yeah we got we were robbed because we were robbed in a sense because parliament was

00:06:40.220 pro-rogue some guy named mark parney was installed chosen by 115 000 people became the prime minister

00:06:47.660 and then we were in an election campaign yeah like i i'm i mean i'm still but i'm still nervous

00:06:54.620 what's that that's an entire scandal sure sure but i mean like i guess your definition i mean

00:07:04.580 that's a scandal but you know so so is chinese interference so is everything else but we're not

00:07:09.680 even we're not like nobody's talking about any of these things i i like yeah no but we are we are on

00:07:15.840 uh certain sides of things a lot more aware of what's going on and i believe that

00:07:20.560 because Elon Musk took over Twitter X that we're actually more privy to these conversations and I

00:07:29.180 mean we've seen what happened in the not the current Trump election but we've seen what

00:07:34.940 happened in the last and seen how much information was actually not allowed to be talked about on

00:07:41.480 Twitter and I think there's a lot more of that information that's come out about Carney

00:07:45.920 than we would have ever been privy to had Elon Musk not taken over Twitter.

00:07:52.840 So what we've seen in this most boring thing that we're talking about

00:08:00.720 is that we literally have one candidate that was encouraging his constituents

00:08:10.340 consequence to kidnap his opponent for a ransom of a you know a hundred million or a million dollars

00:08:19.360 um you know that that mark carney let off the hook so i mean that's that's you know that's kind

00:08:27.200 of a big topic conversation that i don't think anybody has fully had yet because we still have

00:08:33.720 no idea of how many um chinese police stations are inside of canada we know they're still operating

00:08:38.980 we don't know who they are where they are and we don't know how many people are or how many

00:08:46.100 chinese canadians or how many canadians are actually uh you know have a bounty out on their

00:08:53.100 head and i mean i think that's a big important conversation i i think that's an an exciting

00:08:58.520 conversation well it shows it shows sheldon how like what a what an abusive relationship canadians

00:09:05.020 have been in with their government for so long that this kind of stuff just like oh yeah that's

00:09:08.480 tuesday you know well that's it right well and i think maybe this is the thing like for for us

00:09:16.160 um especially maybe marty maybe more than anyone else's he's really been like investigating a lot

00:09:22.080 of these things and bringing them to light for a long time like we we've known about the problems

00:09:27.760 um the one thing i am incredibly excited and very optimistic about about this election is

00:09:34.160 how much interest there is and sheldon you talked about this already is civic engagement like the

00:09:39.840 turnouts already at the advanced polling awesome to see the rallies that appear really is bringing

00:09:46.880 in the numbers in calgary tomorrow in edmonton uh most of us were there that's on this call like it

00:09:52.560 was that's amazing to see it's really sad to say that the scandals are not or like there's nothing

00:09:59.120 explosive in that way but again i think it's because we've been we've been waiting for so long

00:10:05.040 for us to get here and now it's a little bit anti-chromactic but for many that haven't been

00:10:09.760 paying attention it's the engagement is awesome and i love that yeah yeah yeah you know thanks

00:10:15.680 for saying that eva i think um yeah i've been bringing up some of this for so long now i i guess

00:10:20.960 i'm i'm in a sort of a self-preserve mode where i don't want to bang my head against the wall

00:10:26.320 anymore like i'm just i'm bruised right so i uh i i i mean ranting a little bit here i'm i'm i'm

00:10:35.840 i'm almost getting like if this elect if we lose this election if this if this election goes to the

00:10:41.680 liberals marty up north is going to be black pilled and he's going to have a hard time recovering

00:10:47.600 from this one like if the liberals cheat and steal an election i'm like it's going to be frustrating

00:10:53.600 for me so i think i'm maybe in some sort of weird self-preservation mode right now survival instinct

00:10:59.520 has kicked in or something yeah now let's bring it back to something positive i want to mention

00:11:04.320 this um to what you said about civic engagement fame for his positivity marty start start with

00:11:10.640 the black pills then we get to the positive yeah yeah um the civic engagement you know this weekend

00:11:15.200 was suppositories yeah this weekend was uh advanced polling so i went and then um i took i

00:11:23.200 took two of my kids one day and then i took two of the other kids the other day and it was really

00:11:28.880 awesome like you said um at our polling station at our voting station the people made an effort

00:11:36.400 to uh announce new voters so anybody who had voted for the first time in an election they would say

00:11:44.400 you know as soon as they put their ballot in the box people they would applaud and say it and it

00:11:48.400 was and i'm getting goosebumps thinking about it because there was a huge crowd and about every

00:11:53.440 fourth person voting got applauded so that tells you how young they were like there was a very

00:11:59.600 young crowd and i found that super encouraging yeah nice so what was my part that's it now i'm

00:12:06.960 going back to ranting so there there is this idea that this advanced polling is just conservatives

00:12:15.120 rushing out because they want change but i was chatting with some friends and family and some

00:12:20.320 of them are more left-leaning and they voted um they voted like last weekend uh in the advanced

00:12:28.800 voting even though they haven't been that engaged and they even weren't that confident or sure

00:12:35.600 and when i was chatting with them further it seems like well it was hard to decide between

00:12:41.100 ndp and liberals because that's how they always vote wow they didn't feel too strongly about

00:12:46.240 both of them so they felt like well singh is he's kind of an idiot and they don't really know carny

00:12:52.720 and they don't really like feel too strongly about a banker but they still vote for these

00:12:58.900 parties anyways because the conservatives have been demonized for so long they can't fathom

00:13:04.140 supporting alt-right or whatever word whatever fascist word they will throw

00:13:10.380 on the conservatives they can't support that so i don't i don't know if you've observed this with

00:13:15.620 any of your kind of extended circles uh as well like is this is this representative of

00:13:21.860 some of the other interactions you've seen or well i i actually went door knocking a little

00:13:28.400 bit because i was interested to hear what people were saying and it um i live in edmonton city

00:13:34.800 center and it was it's really interesting here because it was conservative um then it went

00:13:43.040 liberal to randy one of the randy's and right now i i think it could go three ways which one

00:13:49.520 Yeah, exactly. Depends on the day. Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

00:13:56.880 Over a year ago, Jagmeet was out with the NDP candidate. Over a year ago, she was announced,

00:14:03.920 she's like, I think she was with the school board, so quite well known in the community.

00:14:08.480 And then the conservative candidate is Saeed Ahmed, and he went through the nomination process

00:14:15.840 and you know had some time to get involved here and then the Liberal candidate was a last minute

00:14:22.800 addition because Randy in the last minute said he's withdrawing so I think this race will be

00:14:28.800 very close on all three like this will be a really interesting riding and going around I was in an

00:14:35.440 area that basically I only saw Conservative and NDP not a lot of Liberal signs in this area

00:14:41.760 although some polls are projecting the liberal to be the highest i just can't see that happen here

00:14:46.800 but the issues were really uh immigration even from one guy that saw that we were with the

00:14:53.040 conservatives he was like no not my i'm not interested in the fellow i was with he said

00:14:58.080 well what is what is your biggest concern well first he did say your guy doesn't believe in

00:15:03.760 climate change and danielle doesn't either and it's like okay those are two different topics but

00:15:08.800 all right um but then he said he doesn't agree with immigration the two people we had extended

00:15:14.400 conversations with one was a supporter of the conservatives and one was ndp immigration was

00:15:20.160 their top issue like as in as in they they both believed it was there was too much immigration

00:15:25.760 yes yeah i had to ask because i i was like what do you mean what direction yes exactly

00:15:32.560 and yeah he was although uh and i'm like well i think i think the blue one might be your best

00:15:38.320 that well you know that's that's interesting because i've i've knocked on a door or two

00:15:45.760 over the last month yeah on the municipal side of things and and of course you know after the

00:15:52.080 advanced polling over this last week um you know i've run into a number of people and you know for

00:15:58.240 this this period i've kind of laid low on door knocking and just uh kind of committed to

00:16:03.920 delivering flyers i mean i need some brand recognition inside of the city of calgary

00:16:08.400 i've never run for an election before and and it's not like i i can uh you know run as a social media

00:16:16.160 guy uh so when i have run into people um you know in their in their yards or leaving their house or

00:16:24.400 you know checking their mail or whatever um the economy is the number one thing everybody's

00:16:30.240 worried about spending so you know as i'm going out meeting people and say hey listen i'm running

00:16:35.680 for city council calgary city council ward four um their number one question is is the economy

00:16:43.680 are are you a conservative person um or are you a spendthrift like the liberals so you know

00:16:52.240 immigration is one of the big subjects but a bigger subject for and i'm i want to say it's

00:16:57.360 inside of the boomer population is they want to know how much more money is is being spent that

00:17:03.740 that's where their number one concern is everybody's feeling the bite right now and and and i feel it

00:17:10.020 too i mean i'm not exempt from this i go to the grocery store and i noticed like i was at safeway

00:17:15.360 yesterday um three pieces of chicken were 21 that's that's seven bucks a breast boneless skinless

00:17:25.800 breast, three pieces of chicken. Now we used to buy that. And this doesn't even go back five years

00:17:31.780 is that we used to get six to seven pieces of chicken, boneless, skinless breasts inside of

00:17:38.420 the same package for 20 bucks. So, I mean, like there's a hundred percent markup on chicken

00:17:46.060 and bar none. I mean, I'm going to say this point blank and to be honest and frank,

00:17:52.740 if if i have to eat another piece of boneless skinless chicken um i'm sure i'm gonna have

00:17:59.060 pin feathers growing out of my ass like i i can't even look at boneless skinless chicken anymore

00:18:04.700 and it but it used to be one of like the the cheap forms of a protein that we can get

00:18:10.580 and and now it's you know uh do you guys go to the grocery store and just look at the prices and say

00:18:18.280 how obscene is this no somebody else does that for me yeah um i wanted to bring up

00:18:27.400 i wanted to bring up a point to what you said sheldon actually it's interesting

00:18:30.920 um yeah cost of living is definitely an issue imagine if this election was uh a month from now

00:18:39.480 right at the time when people were starting to receive their tax notices like it's weird that

00:18:45.240 people like people and that's another weird phenomenon like you're right like by all measures

00:18:50.340 people are stressed by by you know things are worse off now than they were in 2014 the cost

00:18:56.280 of living is high but people seem to have forgotten that and i kind of wish that they had that uh sort

00:19:01.440 of a um a jolt to remind them of that right i'm surprised that paying their tax doing their taxes

00:19:07.120 last month these past weeks didn't even remind people of how messed up it is but yeah if if we

00:19:13.620 if this election was a week from now and people were getting their tax bills that are that in

00:19:18.580 calgary are going up six or seven percent holy smokes that would that would yeah um

00:19:24.540 nothing controversial though i'm i'm i'm i'm still i'm still stuck on that that that people um

00:19:33.060 i'm trying to collect my thought i i was like imagine if the election imagine if

00:19:41.080 if uh jagmeet singh or blanchette had defeated the government back in november imagine that

00:19:48.840 and and we went to the polls reluctantly if we had gone to the polls in late november december

00:19:55.740 what kind of an election would that have been the the the front and center would have been

00:20:01.680 nobody would forget what had just happened for the last nine years no matter what front center

00:20:05.980 if trudeau was running against pierre poiliev in november it would have been a different election

00:20:11.300 fast forward uh trudeau's gone he's replaced by carney and we got this crazy man down south

00:20:18.340 called trump who comes in and and and the amount of uh amnesia that created blows me away blows

00:20:28.740 me away how much amnesia that created and i and what i'm afraid of is people if they vote liberal

00:20:34.180 and the liberals come back in boy that amnesia is going to get cured and they're going to remember

00:20:39.780 how bad the last nine years were well and that's that's actually a really good point because there's

00:20:45.700 a couple of things that we're looking at is that um you know the polyev has been focused for the

00:20:53.700 last year on a carbon election or a carbon tax election um which forced the liberals to

00:21:01.380 temporarily remove that on gas so i mean there's a bit of a savings at the pump which people are

00:21:07.060 appreciating, but we're not seeing that on groceries. And I mean, like, here's a question

00:21:12.040 that just came up. Shouldn't the price of groceries be declining if there's no carbon tax?

00:21:17.560 But yet we're actually still seeing an increase on the cost of regular goods, despite the fact,

00:21:25.320 sorry, thank you, Debbie, for asking the question. Shouldn't we be seeing a decrease on the cost of

00:21:32.460 goods, given the fact that there's no more carbon tax. I

00:21:35.940 mean,

00:21:37.800 maybe not.

00:21:40.200 I think you'll see it. I mean, it's it's it's there it's it's

00:21:43.980 definitely a component of the cost of producing foods and

00:21:47.520 delivering foods and storing foods. I think there will be a

00:21:51.660 grocery but the of course the retailers right now are taking

00:21:55.060 advantage of this and hanging on to that little extra profit

00:21:58.360 margin for a while but supply and demand will work. I mean, I

00:22:01.500 Actually, I'm retired and I do do groceries. I'll admit it. I do groceries. I usually go with my wife. I've noticed prices have actually maybe not come down, but settled, definitely settled. I mean, I'm paying attention to a few key items. I'm highly aware of the cost of eggs and things like that. But yeah, I do believe in supply and demand. It does work. I mean, the competition works and the prices will come down.

00:22:28.840 well and also we have to keep in uh you know in mind too that the there's an aspect of you know

00:22:35.040 the money supply has been so expanded over the last three four years that if there is no like

00:22:40.360 magic switch to get it to go back down as so quickly like like what you said probably the the

00:22:45.100 most actually striking marker would be if prices just stopped increasing that would be a huge win

00:22:51.040 yeah there and i do follow inflation numbers closely there have been a lot of things that

00:22:57.180 have come down so they don't come down in prices actually let me let me clarify that grocery prices

00:23:02.860 probably won't come down very much inflation just decelerates and gets back to normal i mean once

00:23:07.980 prices are high they rarely come back down but there have been things that have started to really

00:23:13.100 decelerate and it's not because of anything the government's done it's because canadians have no

00:23:17.900 more disposable income like when i look at the numbers this week like every week the government

00:23:23.100 publishes numbers on how many people cross the border and flights and stuff like that

00:23:27.420 and man it's crashing and then they're saying oh it's because of trump is because of this no no no

00:23:32.220 no these are trends that started like a year and a half ago people are just not traveling because

00:23:36.860 they can't afford it and so and then and then and then the prices start coming down and then

00:23:42.460 and then the whole concept of supply and demand works but but you're looking at it from a

00:23:48.140 economic standpoint and I feel like a lot of people are still stuck in a different mindset

00:23:53.780 when they when they vote they're thinking about what is the government's role yeah and a lot of

00:23:59.860 people think well it's the government's role to take care of us yep and if we're struggling

00:24:04.540 while the government has to put in programs let it be the child care benefit or the school lunch

00:24:10.620 program for children they're not thinking about the economic conditions that the expansion of the

00:24:16.840 money supply how that rippled into making it unaffordable for the average person to pay for

00:24:23.320 these basic things they're thinking about well the government isn't doing enough to do it if and if

00:24:29.300 that's their mindset then they look at the conservatives wanting to cut certain things

00:24:34.600 and they see that as danger they're like we're gonna we're gonna struggle because they're cutting

00:24:40.160 our lifeline but they're not thinking from first principles at this point yeah no go ahead

00:24:46.400 yeah so when you mentioned the amnesia and i think this goes to it where it's it's a very

00:24:51.920 purposeful amnesia too and the demonization from the mainstream legacy media that is constantly

00:24:59.060 demonizing anything that is not the liberal party really and that's actually another thing that's

00:25:06.200 i guess i think i totally agreed with marty and again at the beginning because it's also

00:25:12.800 anticlimactic but there was a mass that massive like fight that broke out during the leaders

00:25:19.040 debate and i'd like to hear your opinions on that for me it just was like i i wrote about that like

00:25:24.800 it was bubbling to the surface the independent medias and the alternative oh you mean the one

00:25:30.320 among the media not among the panelists yeah yeah and but this goes to why canadians are forgetting

00:25:37.360 things because the legacy media constantly is painting a picture the rosy picture for

00:25:44.480 rosy is painting a rosy picture of the liberals and and demonizing everyone else so it's a very

00:25:50.960 purposeful amnesia it's a very purposeful demonization and they keep shutting out the

00:25:56.960 voices for anyone else and so it was no wonder to like it didn't surprise me that that blow up

00:26:02.400 happened with within the media because it was going to happen at some point like that was

00:26:08.160 bubbling under the surface and then it happened you know and it was they tried to make it into

00:26:13.760 this big scandal i think the legacy media from what i saw i don't watch it very much

00:26:18.880 but this is this is the underlying issue in canada is people aren't getting their voices heard and

00:26:24.880 they're being suppressed all the time and then um somebody these voices are getting frustrated so i

00:26:31.600 think maybe that's where we are and why we're seeing voter turnouts but i wanted to hear your

00:26:35.760 thoughts on that too if that's what you were thinking like when it happened was it like

00:26:40.640 was it something that surprised you or you're just like okay here's another day in canadian politics

00:26:46.480 they're still making us uh conservatives though to be the fringe minority as far as i'm concerned

00:26:51.840 yeah like that's their tactic and i think a lot less people are biting on that apple right now

00:26:56.960 To be honest with you, you know, we see the level of engagement inside of, you know, when media posts something, and I'd put up, sorry, it was something that said, Canadians feel a lot safer, excuse me, than they did 10 years ago.

00:27:20.380 And, you know, when I posted this article and I posted on Twitter, I posted on LinkedIn and I posted on Facebook and I got a lot of people saying it's it's complete bullshit.

00:27:33.400 And I know I'm not supposed to be using profanity instead of a, you know, a campaign period here.

00:27:39.220 But at the same time, you know, it's not just my thoughts.

00:27:42.340 It's it's what the general mindset is saying is that, you know, they're they're pushing the envelope to a place where it's not even believable anymore.

00:27:51.600 So as much as the the legacy media is defending them, it's not coming out across as being believable.

00:27:59.980 And I think that that's why, you know, you know, people like the Western Standard are opening up their their paywalls and saying, listen, here's what the news actually looks like.

00:28:14.440 Yeah. View us for free so that you can kind of get a perspective of what's going on.

00:28:19.820 Go ahead, Marty. Yeah.

00:28:20.880 no i i want to follow up on what eva said like one of the i actually one of the weird interesting

00:28:27.600 things of this last four weeks is actually been how the left has become also suddenly became

00:28:34.960 critical of the mainstream media i didn't i i didn't have that on my bingo card remember at

00:28:40.880 the beginning of the campaign when rosie got almost viciously attacked because she questioned

00:28:46.400 carney too hard and um and and and and i found that fascinating and then and then i see it online

00:28:54.320 a lot like the left are trying to dispel um or discredit articles written by the national post

00:29:02.080 or even like mainstream newspapers and stuff like that so um i i think it goes to a bigger

00:29:07.840 evolution media the role of media in elections has changed it's not the same as it used to be i mean

00:29:17.040 you know like when when when i look back on say the last conservative defeat it was in the same

00:29:22.880 situation as this everybody said like it was shears to win you know he had an empty net but

00:29:28.080 he couldn't because the media was totally against him there's some of that verbiage now people are

00:29:34.160 saying the media is against pierre i agree but we are there is some it's it's it's a changing

00:29:41.040 dynamic like the you know look at the it's a changing dynamic not just on twitter elsewhere

00:29:47.120 i mean i i i've actually witnessed many friends and family make comments to me and then and then

00:29:55.840 i literally asked him i'm like are you just parroting me or are you finally getting information

00:30:01.440 from somewhere else. And I'm happy to say people are finally getting information from other places.

00:30:06.400 So there is a there is a transformation. But at the end of the day, I still think the mainstream

00:30:12.700 media in Canada is definitely left leaning and helping Carney. There's no ifs, ands or buts

00:30:17.400 about that. Oh, for sure. But the thing that I think we can we can maybe look forward to in the

00:30:22.620 next few days here is that kind of like what you saw at when you when you went into your early

00:30:27.920 voting you know there's a huge voting block of young adults that like wouldn't dream of turning

00:30:34.720 on a tv to watch news on it like are you kidding me like what's more square than watching news on tv

00:30:39.580 so i think and those those kids that's uh the the the gen z um voting intentions from everything

00:30:46.600 we've seen over the last year strongly are leaning conservative so i think there's a really big block

00:30:51.980 that isn't being captured when we see these you know i don't know i i said it on the i said it

00:30:57.440 no no it's a it's a fantastic fake yeah no it's a it's a fantastic point there's that there's also

00:31:04.560 um um there is there there is a a broad broad segment of the population that is

00:31:14.080 become mistrusting of of of media government all sorts of things and won't even say what they're

00:31:19.680 thinking yeah like that's really that's really neat right like i i know people actually one of

00:31:25.760 the companies uh or one person i was talking to they're trying to do polls use a different

00:31:31.760 technique to get some polling like they were asking instead of asking people who are you

00:31:36.000 going to vote for they started asking who do you think your neighbors are going to vote for

00:31:40.480 like twisting it around like that because the polling companies are starting to realize that

00:31:45.120 they're not getting information that the polling companies haven't adjusted to the fact that yeah

00:31:49.520 there's been a change in in overall attitudes yeah you're right about the kids i mean my kids know

00:31:55.360 my kids are my kids are your age actually like i call you guys kids but they know stuff that i

00:32:00.960 don't know and i know stuff they don't know because we obviously get stuff from different

00:32:04.720 sources it's it's really cool yeah and they troll me on the internet if you're watching right now

00:32:09.440 you little peckers yeah one note on uh legacy media is uh i feel like some of these messages

00:32:19.600 they do that looks good mike sorry to interrupt what are you drinking that's got a nice color to

00:32:23.360 it uh this is the old forester this is a uh kind of a a low low shelf american bourbon but it's good

00:32:31.360 okay oh sorry sorry james yeah as they say in francais

00:32:40.960 what were you saying james you were um yeah no worries the uh one thought on the legacy media

00:32:46.480 it does permeate through social media as well and things do get spread so even though

00:32:51.680 um certain demographic they're not tuning in they're not watching cable they're not watching

00:32:57.940 these kind of news but they're still referencing cbc they're still sharing these because they still

00:33:03.480 treat them as authorities and i even had a buddy in his 30s and he mentioned like yeah my neighbor

00:33:09.300 my next door neighbor he's uh he's ukrainian but he's voting for he's got a conservative sign and

00:33:15.820 he's like that's strange to me because because polyevs doesn't want to support ukraine and i

00:33:21.740 said are you kidding me like this is they all support ukraine like this is not even i don't

00:33:28.100 know where you got this idea from so the thing about some of these lies is or some of these

00:33:34.380 notions it doesn't need to be even true some of these things kind of just permeate people get a

00:33:42.580 gut reaction and that's the thing about propaganda is they're bombarded with messages and then these

00:33:49.680 little things just kind of stick and then the whole thing the whole point of not getting a

00:33:54.720 security clearance that one's annoying right that's an example that shows up it's been debunked so

00:34:00.140 much and it keeps showing up absolutely um not winning his seat was the one yesterday and it's

00:34:06.760 like come on like it's a 20 years projection for him but one thing that you brought that up story

00:34:13.660 sorry i would just one one one quick thing i responded to that that liberal like literally

00:34:18.700 the liberal party of canada posted that and people were commenting on it for anyone watching

00:34:23.540 who wants to take us up on this we posted a comment we will front ten thousand dollars a

00:34:28.300 person who wants to bet that polyev will lose his seat if you want to bet that against that

00:34:34.320 paulieva loses seat we'll throw 10 000 bucks a person that he'll maintain his seat great bet

00:34:40.160 bunch of likes bunch of views no one took us up on it yet though so yeah and i like that people

00:34:45.120 are calling now you've brought up another point there's another uh he's like he started on tiktok

00:34:50.080 but he's uh now on x a bit more uh mario and he did the same thing he's because people are saying

00:34:56.640 um pierre polivier is going to take away health care and he said i'll give five thousand dollars

00:35:03.680 to anyone that gives me a clip of him saying that and i think it's great to call people out on that

00:35:09.440 that's the best way to get to the misinformation of any clip any evidence we're five thousand can

00:35:15.360 buy a lot of chicken but see here's the thing is is that the the the short clips the headlines

00:35:23.280 are basically what legacy media relies on.

00:35:28.660 They only rely on people reading the headline

00:35:33.320 and not the entire article.

00:35:35.900 So even on the article that I discussed earlier

00:35:40.940 where Canadians feel safer,

00:35:44.080 the information that was provided by ECOS

00:35:47.260 stated the exact opposite than what the headlines showed.

00:35:51.560 and and going into more of a you know granular level on municipal politics because you know

00:35:59.640 kind of that's where my head's at is that uh the the the city council member that i'm looking to

00:36:07.260 replace who's who's stepping aside because he realizes he's damaged goods sean chu he was

00:36:12.980 exposed for you know a confrontation or uh i don't know what it was uh he ended up uh as you

00:36:23.200 know he he met a girl at a bar as a police officer dressed in his police uniform she turned out to be

00:36:30.220 16 he ended up at her house and i mean this stuff was known 20 years ago and it was exposed 20 years

00:36:37.420 ago however it was brought up in the last election in the last week of the election and what that did

00:36:45.620 is it took the you know the contender is his next running uh closest and put him within 100 votes

00:36:53.300 of winning the election so there was enough media press that actually swayed a population

00:37:02.120 uh instead of a ward four which is about 80 000 people right now yeah um to to start vote against

00:37:10.520 them so if they weren't in part of advanced pollings that's where he was losing them is on

00:37:15.100 the people that read that media now i'm going to say this is now that i've actually been out

00:37:20.940 knocking doors i mean my first introductory line is listen i'm not sure if you're aware but sean

00:37:26.040 Chu is not running for municipal elections. He's not running for city council for Ward 4.

00:37:31.540 And the number of people that say, that's really good, is phenomenal. And these are people that

00:37:38.900 have been, I'm going to say, inside of the community for long periods of time, because,

00:37:43.360 you know, I've been in my community for 30, this is coming on 33 years right now. And these people

00:37:51.200 are in the community either longer than me or just shorter than me, and they don't want to see him

00:37:56.620 there anymore. Now, there's a couple of things that are in play. One, he wasn't as effective

00:38:00.220 because he was kind of hamstrung by the whole fiasco. Another portion of it is that somebody

00:38:09.380 that he supported inside of the last election for mayor, Jeremy Farkas, came out and made bold

00:38:18.580 statements against him where where he was completely surprised and thrown off but a big

00:38:24.160 portion of it is is that these communications through legacy media permeate and then whether

00:38:32.200 and this is a big big portion of what james is saying is that even if people aren't watching

00:38:39.440 the elections they're watching for scandal or they're listening for scandal and when that comes

00:38:45.000 up, it's hard to drum that out. I mean, if you take people that are fixated on a sexual

00:38:51.640 scandal inside of politics, and they don't watch legacy media, they don't watch for the

00:39:00.280 corrections in media. And that's the line they're told. That's the only thing that they're going to

00:39:07.100 believe and try and change their mind through a correction or for a media they don't even watch

00:39:12.700 begin with and i mean it's it's kind of big now but those are those are people on the edges

00:39:17.660 sheldon i mean like there's always going to be people on the extremes that you can't

00:39:22.460 you know you're describing somebody who's who's got a very narrow lens for looking at the world i

00:39:28.060 mean um you know hey hey you know what on the narrow lens kind of thing uh we have somebody

00:39:35.820 that's like rapidly spamming uh the chat watch and and this is actually kind of funny and we'll

00:39:42.700 we'll have some good times with this uh i'm going to post his first comment and this is uh fascist

00:39:49.980 fascism watch

00:39:57.900 he's watching us that's okay so i'm gonna i'm gonna throw this up and then we're gonna have

00:40:04.060 this as an intro not gonna lie i thought this is sarcasm i thought this guy's like being hilarious

00:40:10.300 because it timed perfectly i thought he was making a joke like sarcastically like ironically saying

00:40:16.220 this like this is polyav and maple mega are traitors so simple well i mean i don't know what

00:40:23.660 we're traitors do engagement is like being called the opposite of engaging it's like treasonous

00:40:30.700 like when you're talking about elected officials and voting and politics that makes you treasonous

00:40:38.860 and i mean i wouldn't even give a guy like that any i wouldn't even give him two seconds this is

00:40:43.420 this is the low iq individual like the i mean that's such a if you want to get down on that

00:40:49.580 subject like mark carney has three passports so by definition he's in conflict of interest i really

00:40:57.260 don't like he's in conflict of interest and yet people are idolizing the guy and holding him up

00:41:02.460 as an idol who's going to save canada he's in conflict of interest folks and then and then

00:41:07.020 and then by definition so i'm speaking to this moron by definition carney who has who had such

00:41:13.820 a high standing in companies like uh brookfield and the bank of england and hangs out in a circle

00:41:20.300 of people that are in such a high class of society is in conflict of interest every rule that guy

00:41:26.620 passes if he gets elected for the next four years will be throwing something a bone at a friend of

00:41:32.460 his no matter how much he says he won't he's an absolute total conflict of interest and you got

00:41:37.820 canadians like this idiot saying that that that that poiliev is is a traitor or maga i happen to

00:41:44.300 believe that making america great again is a fantastic slogan so am i a traitor i have four

00:41:49.420 kids and i've committed to this country more than anybody else so i you know what i actually i'm

00:41:55.580 gonna i'm i'm done folks i'm calling it off here i'm i'm not interested in this discussion sheldon

00:42:00.700 have a good day all right man he got heated that's that's hey you know what that's a guy with uh

00:42:10.300 with some serious pride in his country and when he sees like this that's uh hey yeah what

00:42:17.340 what i was gonna point out is um even these even with like i had another friend i was chatting

00:42:23.100 with who mentioned like offhand some of these claims like okay polyev's a fascist he's just

00:42:29.660 he's supporting like omega-like trump-like authoritarian kind of uh policies or um it's

00:42:37.900 the playbook i can't remember the exact wording and i pressed this friend on that asking like

00:42:43.340 what do you mean by fascist or what do you mean by by this and first of all it always means right

00:42:49.820 wing they don't treat it they don't treat authoritarianism equally on all sides that's

00:42:56.780 the first thing i noticed and i i pushed back and i said like well carney's got a book that

00:43:03.740 uh in the book basically it's wef and un policies that are advocating for centralized

00:43:12.540 um centralized control to solve climate and fiscal problems that are plaguing the world

00:43:19.820 it's centralization so i said well is the expansion of government power is that

00:43:26.860 like isn't that fascist so if somebody's advocating for that like wouldn't you be

00:43:32.620 concerned about that and this friend said uh there is nothing wrong with the expansion of

00:43:37.900 government power if the expansion doesn't involve collaborating with fascist leaders

00:43:42.060 and i was like i it kind of blew my mind i was like uh you don't you don't you're not very well

00:43:52.420 studied for history wise like that's it it seemed to yeah just blew my mind so

00:43:59.340 i i don't know these things aren't well defined no but but fascism is pretty well defined and

00:44:06.260 it's, you know, it's one of the hallmarks of a fascist government is one that works in tandem

00:44:15.700 with private enterprise to exert control over its populace. Like this is the, I think that's even

00:44:22.240 like Mussolini's definition of what fascism does. So what would you call a guy who spent his entire

00:44:27.780 adult life in the banking industry now trying to exert power in politics? Like, why wouldn't that

00:44:35.000 be the one that triggers your like oh does this maybe smell of fascism a little bit even though

00:44:40.860 of course none of these people truly are but like i don't know we live in a time where like

00:44:46.140 nothing can be nuanced and everything has to be like early early 20th century you know

00:44:52.420 the most extreme of the of the left or the right nothing can be nothing can exist in the kind of

00:44:58.920 the middle well but see here's a big problem is political speak i mean you know as much as we uh

00:45:07.000 myself and eva want to encourage engagement inside of our communities there's so much political speak

00:45:15.860 that comes out um that that you're not sure a lot of people aren't sure the nuances that are behind

00:45:23.560 these things. So, I mean, we look at things like compassionate care for addiction. I mean,

00:45:32.560 who doesn't want to be compassionate towards addicts? But when that compassionate care

00:45:38.720 has costed 50,000 Canadian lives, you have to sit back and at least for a moment and say,

00:45:45.940 is this really compassionate? But it's the way that they nuance the verbiage that goes

00:45:53.340 inside of these campaigns, inside of this politispeak

00:45:56.360 that really confuses people

00:45:59.580 because they only want, again, the headlines.

00:46:03.220 They don't want to read the reports

00:46:04.880 as to how things are going.

00:46:08.120 So we get lost inside of these conversations

00:46:11.280 and when you try to explain to somebody,

00:46:13.860 well, what does that actually mean?

00:46:16.660 And this is what it does mean.

00:46:19.740 Compassionate care for addicts

00:46:22.940 is giving them more drugs so that they can hang out downtown and,

00:46:27.120 and go into these, you know, these states.

00:46:30.700 And then when they come out of these states,

00:46:32.640 they go into another state that's really not safe for the public.

00:46:38.700 But I mean, even before it gets to that point,

00:46:41.840 do you want to be around that person?

00:46:44.700 And if you can engage in the conversation and then try and walk them through

00:46:48.760 the political speak, but I mean,

00:46:49.980 like this has to be done conversation at a time versus headline at a time you know when you say

00:46:57.080 50 000 people have died from drug addiction and then somebody says yeah but we want compassionate

00:47:02.760 care to extend from coast to coast to coast 50 000 people died who doesn't want compassionate

00:47:09.440 care from coast to coast to coast and that's how they win the arguments it's all in political speak

00:47:14.280 it's not in the actual definitions it's not when they want what they actually want to achieve

00:47:18.380 eva did you hear anything about that during your like when you were door knocking downtown

00:47:23.140 specifically because what a shithole downtown has become lately well where i was we were a bit north

00:47:28.480 of downtown because the city well all these ridings are so big like i can't even believe

00:47:33.240 it where i see how far i see the signs extending but this was like north of downtown a bit um so

00:47:38.940 north of nate even so like a residential community older homes and um so it was really interesting

00:47:47.400 like i said it was like 50 50 conservative and ndp and i really wanted to go around and and that's

00:47:54.440 just to hear what people were saying what their concerns are because it's one thing to hear them

00:47:58.440 online and then one thing to hear them in real life but that's one thing i wanted to add to

00:48:04.600 something marty was saying he said um i forgot what he said it was maybe the misinformation

00:48:11.400 But what I feel people are doing, too, with maybe not lending their voices right now is the fear.

00:48:19.760 That was what I captured, too, going door knocking, is they're fearful of the public health, for example, being removed.

00:48:27.380 They're fearful of immigration.

00:48:29.000 They're fearful of this.

00:48:30.660 They're fearful of speaking their mind.

00:48:33.220 And this is not a good place for Canadians to be in.

00:48:37.080 and um i think that's something we have to start just even having as a topic of conversation if

00:48:45.400 people in canada feel they can't speak their mind and can't talk about politics and express their

00:48:51.480 views we're already in a really bad place it's one thing i noticed from the rally um in niscu

00:48:59.400 was how positive how well worded and how positive polyev was yeah and let it be the people that

00:49:08.760 came before him that introduced him just he didn't spend a lot of time in the doom and gloom

00:49:15.780 and that's a stark contrast to what the media is portraying polyev as right now

00:49:22.760 because they'll say like he is he is the fear mongering like all he's running on is fear

00:49:29.720 Canada's not broken he's running on fear and then you look at Carney talking about well half of

00:49:38.120 Carney's speeches are Trump this Trump that and it's leaning more into the fear than what I saw

00:49:45.200 at the polio rally so i was a little bit surprised at that kind of at that dichotomy

00:49:52.500 yeah there seems to be this like you know like you're damned if you do and you're damned if you

00:49:58.860 don't if you're a conservative you know because any anything anytime you're you know complaining

00:50:02.540 about a a policy that exists that you know was maybe instituted by a somebody slightly to the

00:50:08.560 left of you well now you're you're being negative and you're being you know every everything is all

00:50:12.980 as you know doom and gloom and then you know any if you're proposing a policy that doesn't have the

00:50:17.440 same sort of you know warm fuzzies that liberal policies do well then you're you're damned again

00:50:22.760 because it's not you know it doesn't have the you know the same sort of like you just can't win

00:50:27.600 because it's a it's a i don't know i feel like conservatism at least nowadays feels like a

00:50:34.060 it's always and maybe you guys can have an opinion on this it's more nuanced than this but

00:50:38.960 it feels like we're always kind of reacting to like like liberals just do shit and then we have

00:50:45.580 to react to it and like pick it up after and like no we should you know kind of redirect it it's not

00:50:50.380 the conservatives haven't been uh leading the conversation and leading the policy

00:50:55.540 decisions in in quite a while so it's i can kind of get why maybe that's um we get associated with

00:51:01.500 that how i would say this i don't think they own it uh and i think that maybe like i have a really

00:51:08.480 hard time with labels in general but to say conservative because what was conservative 10

00:51:13.760 years ago is different to now so that's just one thing but i feel like if uh pure polivier said

00:51:20.640 canada was broken or things in canada were broken i think he should own it and he didn't explain why

00:51:27.280 you said that because if you actually explain it people will come to understand it it's not hard

00:51:32.880 look around things in canada are broken it shouldn't take two months or an undetermined

00:51:37.840 amount of time to get a passport in canada and i'm using a federal issue for federal politics

00:51:44.320 when i was standing in line to get my kid my passport there was a couple from spain right

00:51:48.800 in front of me and they said that you literally go in spain and you get it within half an hour

00:51:53.360 like that's what we should be aiming for in canada so for him to identify problems because

00:51:59.360 he's been around for so long he couldn't talk about what they are and maybe this is my biggest

00:52:05.760 frustration with pierre i think and the conservative party is that they don't own anything

00:52:11.360 they start and then they shy away started at the freedom convoy and continues it and pierre

00:52:17.920 is so well spoken so well versed in these things he should and i wrote this today take on um

00:52:26.000 uh challenging podcasters like it's great to see him with you know the few that he just did

00:52:32.000 recently there was a nice conversation but pierre is in a position after his 100 years of being in

00:52:40.080 politics that they always shame him for he can speak to literally all the issues that people

00:52:45.200 throw at him his discussion with peterson i really enjoyed because it was on such an intellectual

00:52:51.440 level and he challenged him there not really on the political level but you really got to see him

00:52:56.400 heated and like like you know defending what he believed in and you don't see that a lot like he

00:53:03.120 could have done a number of the conservative type podcasters that challenge him a bit more

00:53:09.600 or even more ppc leaning i think he would do great on those and none of that like they just don't

00:53:16.880 own it and that's you know it's we're in a time that just it's not you can't say one thing and

00:53:24.080 step away and i think that everyone's tired of that from their leaders we've seen that a lot

00:53:30.480 well a big portion of that is that as a true conservative value is that we do believe in

00:53:36.320 freedom of speech which means while we are trying to you know exercise and encourage the freedom

00:53:44.800 of speech we we don't exercise those same values ourselves so we allow others to say what they need

00:53:52.320 to say how they're feeling right wrong or indifferent and then back away from the

00:53:57.760 conversations which is exactly what you're saying eva see and and and and i you know again this is

00:54:04.320 coming from my own political side of things in what i'm doing trying to work for in a municipal

00:54:09.120 election is that i'm not afraid of conversations if that's the conversation that you want to have

00:54:14.800 let's have that conversation now i don't have to be engaged in every conversation that somebody

00:54:19.600 throws at me. And I definitely don't have to reply to every troll. And, you know, obviously,

00:54:25.160 Marty took a bit of an offense to fascism watch, was even offended by the fact that I posted the

00:54:33.320 comment, and he's, he's come out in Twitter and, and voiced that in our direct messaging.

00:54:41.840 You know, where I'd prefer to let people like this, you know, die in their own little trolly

00:54:46.640 world but at the same time you know when somebody comes up with something this stupid

00:54:53.520 why wouldn't you have a conversation why wouldn't you expose people for their absolute gross

00:54:59.600 ignorance and and lack of intelligence on these things i don't know if your camera froze ever if

00:55:05.600 you fell asleep you were paused there for a second it could i uh even though i'm right in downtown

00:55:14.560 edmonton my internet is not very good no so i mean these are the these are the things that we're

00:55:22.000 we're we're forced with i mean again the battle is is we want to uh by conservative values

00:55:31.600 encourage engagement and the freedom of speech against the party that has uh not only wanted to

00:55:39.920 crush freedom of speech, but has worked to legislate freedom of speech by their definition

00:55:49.640 of what we're allowed to talk about, by their definition of misinformation and disinformation

00:55:55.600 inside of these conversations. Now, they were able to do this inside of Twitter

00:56:00.060 when Jack owned the house, but they're not able to do that with Elon, and that's why there's this

00:56:06.720 new legislation that's kind of introduced and talked about. We're not going to have your

00:56:14.040 conversations. We're going to shut you down, and you don't get to have them anymore because we

00:56:19.400 decide what's true, and you don't get to talk about it anymore online, which means you can't

00:56:25.560 spread this thing. So, I mean, it's a lopsided battle, and I really don't know what the solution

00:56:32.680 is how do you stick to with true conservative values on you know on on people's let's not even

00:56:41.900 go with god-given rights let's go with you know equal rights um on sure you should have a voice

00:56:49.540 inside of a conversation while the people that you're having that conversation with are fighting

00:56:55.780 to shut down your conversation fighting to shut down your voice how do we do that where's the

00:57:01.700 equality in that well there isn't and that that's the reason i i said that i have been disappointed

00:57:09.220 with the conservative party this whole time is that they have to represent everyone and when

00:57:15.780 somebody was being painted as an undesirable or a fringe minority first they came out strong and

00:57:22.180 then they retracted everyone deserves a voice and i'm so tired of this from all political stripes

00:57:29.940 is that they're not willing to engage with everyone they take on their own social causes

00:57:34.660 and they're social warriors for themselves and not for the people you see people protesting

00:57:41.540 and then i hear all of them say i condemn those protesters that had those awful signs

00:57:48.020 go to talk to them they are your constituents because what are you saying by making that

00:57:53.860 statement you're you're exiling them from society you don't want like i don't even understand how

00:57:59.700 an elected representative is able to make those statements and say i condemn that if it's something

00:58:07.140 worth condemning there's criminal like sanctions and criminal charges like that's the only time

00:58:13.220 that elected officials should be condemning something if it's gone past like it's no longer

00:58:18.660 legal like it's actually in the criminal code if somebody is just expressing their view that is a

00:58:24.660 little undesirable or a little bit off color go talk to them listen to them ask them why they're

00:58:30.900 standing here picketing and protesting that is literally your job and that's what i'm the most

00:58:38.080 disappointed on about elected officials all stripes all levels that you know what i i think

00:58:45.300 part of that is is it's an unfortunate reaction to how they've been trained by how our media

00:58:53.180 reacts to these sort of things where they they're in they're always in the mindset of wanting to get

00:58:57.080 ahead of the story like i don't want to be associated with this this happened near my rally

00:59:00.640 whatever whereas the the actual response should be why does this person feel this way why have

00:59:06.240 they like why are they so passionate about it that they're gonna they're gonna out themselves as

00:59:10.820 you know as a person in public with their face you know behind this message um like that's

00:59:16.880 somebody that you want to understand why they feel that way and so maybe even if you don't

00:59:21.300 change their mind on it at least you don't like further antagonize them into falling even deeper

00:59:26.020 down a rabbit hole that they're just going to destroy themselves you know and and potentially

00:59:29.640 people around them yep exactly as a leader um you you mentioned like being stuck in this kind

00:59:37.760 a reaction mode where you take a step back and you don't have any firm stances you don't own it

00:59:44.420 and i believe the the solution is to call out when games are being played so if there's guilt

00:59:51.100 by association you call it out for what it is and you point out that method of demonization

00:59:58.220 so like you don't have to play the game you can you can help bring that awareness of the games

01:00:07.440 that are being played and and i feel like part of that comes from just having a backbone calling it

01:00:14.480 as it is and i i feel like you would gain if you can accurately call these things out you gain a

01:00:22.260 lot of support for the people who feel like they do not have a voice and have not had a voice

01:00:26.780 yeah totally agree and like i was saying two peers in such a good position to have those

01:00:32.220 conversations because he's so well-rounded and been around like i can't imagine carney in

01:00:37.900 conversation with somebody challenging him he would snap i think uh he did already when rosie

01:00:44.620 asked him one question look inside yourself well he's done that multiple multiple times

01:00:50.860 in that uh you know he he's only going to take the questions that he wants and i mean even like

01:00:56.540 jagmeet saying uh when he refused to answer questions for from rebel media yeah i mean

01:01:03.500 that's that's a perfect example of no you don't get to choose the conversations that you're having

01:01:08.860 inside of canada and i mean like one of the questions that was asked to him was about the

01:01:14.860 burning of 200 churches inside of canada inside of the same time that they're they're talking about

01:01:21.660 uh you know their their political beliefs and and being quashed and it's like well okay so if you

01:01:27.740 want to have that conversation let's have an equal conversation 200 churches have been burned what's

01:01:34.140 your position on that well i'm not going to take that well so then i mean you know in a big

01:01:39.900 conversation that cory morgan likes to have is is is on the indigenous side of things where

01:01:45.660 you know, the conversations are you must believe in residential schools and nobody doubts that

01:01:53.660 residential schools happened. We just, you know, have some concerns over the information that's

01:01:59.660 being provided. You know, you've been given tens of millions of dollars. You haven't dug up a single

01:02:07.040 grave. And if you have, it's been inside of a literal grave site. So, I mean, let's have the

01:02:14.640 honest conversations inside of these things the the problem with um media and the problem with

01:02:20.520 government is is that we're only allowed to have the conversations that they want to have and we're

01:02:26.640 only allowed to support the narrative that they want to support we're not allowed to have actual

01:02:32.840 discussions so i mean like break it down into something like fluoride in in the water systems

01:02:38.500 there was never two sides of the conversation presented inside of Calgary for people to vote

01:02:45.000 on in the last plebiscite, which was during the last municipal election. There was only the favored

01:02:50.600 side. Calgarians were never presented with the information on an equal level. So, I mean,

01:02:58.760 like you couldn't look at the two sides of the conversation and say, this makes sense,

01:03:05.520 this doesn't make sense and i mean we can extend that through vaccinations we can extend that

01:03:10.460 through the entire covid period on lockdowns on keeping children outside of schools like there's

01:03:19.020 a lot of these things where we're told this is what the rule is this is what the law is

01:03:25.180 these are what the experts say despite the fact that there are there is yeah experts

01:03:33.260 um air quotes but we're never we're never told about the other side of the conversation we're

01:03:40.260 never told about the contravening there's only one side of the conversation that's presented

01:03:44.240 and that's a really wrong way for media to approach these things media is supposed to be

01:03:49.580 the advocate media is supposed to test these things inside of the the political landscape

01:03:55.160 especially inside the political landscape yeah i mean what is it for you

01:04:00.140 And you'll know this probably better than the rest of us, Eva, is if you encouraged a population to get a vaccination that nobody actually required, that didn't actually stop transmission of a virus that it was supposed to, where people got injured.

01:04:24.320 i mean as a political official as as as a political figure as an air quote expert

01:04:32.820 like where do you sit inside of the political landscape where do you sit inside of the media

01:04:39.720 if the media is not there to continuously prop you up i mean there there should be people burning

01:04:46.360 uh burning your burning your walking out with pitchforks and torches

01:04:55.080 exposing you as a fraud and and we've seen the last five years of this absolute insanity going on

01:05:07.800 my vaccine won't work unless you have the vaccine you horrible person people bought on this apple

01:05:16.180 we lost an election we had four more years of liberal deceit um

01:05:28.020 sheldon are you familiar sorry to interrupt your thought are you familiar with a term called the

01:05:31.540 overton window do you know what that is yeah yeah people people keep throwing that at me

01:05:37.380 and i've familiarized myself with that yeah yeah yeah well that's the go on i think that's what

01:05:42.020 what you're describing is that there's like there's a there's a range of acceptable opinions

01:05:46.980 that we're allowed to have in in polite discourse and and if you stray too far the other one way or

01:05:52.480 another you're immediately branded as a quack or a conspiracy theorist or something but that may

01:05:58.560 not necessarily be true because i mean you look at like you're saying you look at what people were

01:06:02.360 saying a lot of people on our side of the political aisle if you want to call it that

01:06:06.580 everything i mean pretty much everything that we were saying four or five years ago um that we were

01:06:13.840 being you know banned off of social media for or you know being you know having losing entire friend

01:06:20.260 or family groups because of it i mean like a lot of it came true a lot we our instincts were our

01:06:26.520 initial instincts were right on a lot of it but because that overton window was so narrow we

01:06:32.080 weren't allowed to have a real debate about it i mean eva you're i mean you're probably more

01:06:36.520 familiar with this than any of us right now well not so much the concept of the overton window but

01:06:42.680 i like for accountability it's going to take time and the government has been really good at

01:06:48.320 not being found liable for harms that have caused because their arguments in court are that they're

01:06:58.000 doing their best for the good of the people and when they make an oopsie it was an honest oopsie

01:07:05.280 um in this case like you know i we've talked about the class actions i'm involved with

01:07:10.800 um on in great length and i i think that we're going to be ultimately successful because in this

01:07:19.200 case unlike any other case we've seen before is they can approve products in canada sure no problem

01:07:26.560 but here there was an additional element of coercion but it's first of all people need to

01:07:33.440 come to terms like a lot of people didn't realize they were being coerced when they thought that

01:07:39.200 they were doing what is good for society and then okay now it's starting to feel a little

01:07:43.920 bit weird and then we started to hate our neighbors and then we were you know civil

01:07:48.800 liberties were being taken away so a lot a lot happened in a short amount of time

01:07:54.000 and i think maybe that goes back to the conversation we were having at the beginning

01:07:57.760 is we've just been gone going through so much and i think mike even you said it is it's been

01:08:02.160 like an abusive relationship yeah we're just like you know taking a breath and letting kind of

01:08:08.720 things play out almost even because it's like a lot has happened over these last five years

01:08:15.040 so um i think ultimately there's going to be some accountability um i think it's going to take time

01:08:22.400 i also think that it demands canadians to be civically engaged and that's why i harp on it

01:08:28.480 so much because when you turn to the legal like looking to looking for accountability through

01:08:35.280 courts it's going to take so much longer that's not the place for these things in this case yeah

01:08:40.080 because harms actually happen some serious harms happened but these are political issues and we can

01:08:46.560 affect change quickly if we're on it if we're organized if we're educated and all those things

01:08:51.200 you don't have to sit around wondering what can i do as a citizen there's so much we can do

01:08:57.760 so that's always why i'm harping on it yeah but but how do we get that information into

01:09:03.440 everybody's hands that's that's the biggest point it's about getting involved or oh no no it's it's

01:09:10.320 um about and again this boils down to what the actual conversation is if i mean if we're

01:09:17.600 presented with both sides of the story people don't have the ability to make the decision i

01:09:22.800 don't think that people are stupid but i think people are trained i think it's that you like if

01:09:29.920 it's an issue you're passionate about you have to be your own advocate you have to learn about it

01:09:34.240 like you mentioned fluoride for example it's not something i i totally agree and believe in the

01:09:39.600 issue but it's not something i've personally dedicated my time to but people need to do that

01:09:47.040 people need to take ownership of these issues educate themselves on it rally people around it

01:09:53.200 and then voice their concerns to the elected officials the exact same way the trans community

01:10:00.560 did it to advocate for the rights that they now have it's the same thing it's just take on the

01:10:06.240 issue you believe in educate yourself educate others and make your voice heard and i think

01:10:11.840 all of this is possible it just takes time and effort and that's a that's a big big part of the

01:10:17.960 point and sorry to cut you off guys um is like i look at you know what we have for media and i look

01:10:26.140 at the number of people that have become unplugged they don't even watch the news they don't have a

01:10:31.580 cable system inside of their house they watch everything via streaming because their kids are

01:10:37.080 watching YouTube videos, they're watching Netflix or Disney or Crave. And so when they see something

01:10:47.120 flash in front of their screen, they're told a narrative, they believe the narrative. And who

01:10:53.280 has the time? Now, I mean, I, you know, I'm going to use my kids as an example. You know, I've got

01:10:59.640 my grandson that's involved in three different sports right now. He's in hockey, he's in football,

01:11:04.480 and he's in soccer. You know, my youngest son, they just had a baby a couple of months ago,

01:11:11.400 so they're dealing with that. While they're dealing with a, you know, a 10-year-old that

01:11:17.400 is in school, that has obligations, that's inside of multiple sports. My son's trying to work his

01:11:24.620 job. My daughter-in-law is working with their infant. What sort of time do you think the

01:11:32.380 average individual has to commit to doing the research and coming up with their side of things

01:11:39.860 i mean we can't go off of the feels here because because that ain't working and that's such a good

01:11:49.000 point because it's like you know we've we've talked about this before where it's like you know

01:11:53.940 if you're a if you're a liberal college student in the city you all you've got is time on your

01:11:59.380 hands to go to protests and you know make signs for whatever and like stop traffic and do all

01:12:05.900 sorts of disruptive shit right but if you've got a throw you got a nine to five or if you've got a

01:12:10.400 family or like yeah we're like where are you finding this time you know you're doing stuff

01:12:14.400 in the world yeah and i would agree but i i don't think that's the case anymore first is nothing is

01:12:21.820 more important because this you have to participate in your democracy otherwise it's not a democracy

01:12:27.260 then it's authoritarian second we waste so much of our time like how many how many times are you

01:12:34.700 do we are we like okay let's just watch one netflix show and then you like binge watch five

01:12:38.940 and it's like six hours later so there is that i see people on twitter so much adding me right now

01:12:45.180 please just come please just come to a meeting like at a like a grassroots level because there's

01:12:52.700 not so many people coming to these meetings and uh i got james and mike to come here in edmonton

01:12:58.700 and it's like the average age is over 60. this is not good like we need to put the time into

01:13:06.060 it if we want to see our democracy succeed it takes effort so i was gonna i was gonna say um

01:13:14.700 that kind of circles back to this idea of uh personal responsibility when it comes to health

01:13:21.500 but like first of all you focus on yourself and you're like well i want to make myself the

01:13:26.220 healthiest that i can be and it's my responsibility to control what goes in my body and then from

01:13:32.220 there you're like okay well if you get yourself figured out that way you expand that circle and

01:13:37.820 you you look at your family and like well i want them to do as well i want them to do well i want

01:13:43.500 them to be happy and healthy and you you you go one circle out every time but i i feel like that

01:13:50.540 applies to the information landscape and it could be on a specific issue but it could also be on

01:13:56.540 the election and these kind of these either misquotes or some of these false things that pop

01:14:03.500 up we we need to still like be informed enough that we can have conversations with friends and

01:14:09.980 family but we also can't just lose our minds and just get into arguments um when people get emotional

01:14:17.420 and the temperature just rises in a conversation i've seen family members go at it where both of

01:14:23.660 them leave dug into their positions and they're not anywhere closer to understanding where the

01:14:29.260 other person came from and i've had the best success and i don't even know how to measure

01:14:34.220 this success but just for throwing out little nuggets or pointing to something in a like a

01:14:41.580 hands-off way and helping to plant these seeds in a way that are going to it's actually going

01:14:50.200 to be received it's more likely to be received and it's more likely to actually help push up

01:14:57.460 push against some of those uh those deeply seeded biases so that that that's just something where

01:15:05.340 i've been trying to approach that and i'm wondering if if we all just started with ourselves in our

01:15:11.980 immediate circles what amount of change would be able to happen that way yeah see sheldon it's easy

01:15:19.020 all you have to do is have the patience of james and the energy of eva and then we could just solve

01:15:25.180 all these problems but unfortunately guys like you and me exist so the wisdom of joe uh you know

01:15:31.100 No, no, they're all ideal situations. But I mean, you know, we've come into, excuse me,

01:15:39.000 the age of information. And the problem with that is the information that we are being fed. And

01:15:45.500 much as neither, none of us like the words misinformation and disinformation is the people

01:15:51.840 that prop up those words the most are the people that are actually feeding us the misinformation

01:15:56.560 and disinformation. And in some cases, it's blatantly obvious. But again, when it comes

01:16:03.060 down to it, who's got the time? Who could do the research? I mean, a big part of my platform on

01:16:09.840 side of social media has come from breaking down statistics, not because I'm a rocket scientist or

01:16:15.260 a PhD statistician, is because I could look at a little simple math. And I'm not talking,

01:16:21.180 graphs and design. I'm talking about literally addition and subtraction where people could look

01:16:30.440 at things. They knew things weren't going right. They knew something was wrong, but they didn't

01:16:36.220 know how to express it. And I was able to break that down because I don't put myself ahead as

01:16:43.240 a hyper-intelligent person that's trying to dictate anybody's life. I just kept saying,

01:16:50.220 this is what the math actually says. And here's how I've kind of come to this math.

01:16:56.920 And when you can make sense to people. But I mean, that was a very extreme situation inside

01:17:02.200 of COVID. Right now, we're inside of a time where people are focused on their finances. And the

01:17:07.460 conversation that we had earlier, where if you go to Safeway, you're paying the same price for

01:17:13.180 three pieces of chicken as you did for seven, five years ago. And there was even a comment

01:17:20.040 that was posted earlier on what we just learned right now there was a dude left uh arrested in

01:17:26.280 lethbridge today or yesterday sometime in the last couple of days uh for selling eggs that he hadn't

01:17:35.400 he had inspected uh so they're they're they're perfectly good quality eggs i mean we're not

01:17:41.080 talking the unpasteurized milk conversation that's a whole other like ball of wax that

01:17:46.760 that we're not gonna get into right now.

01:17:49.240 But he had his eggs inspected,

01:17:50.720 but he sold more than he was allowed to sell

01:17:54.360 and they arrested him.

01:17:55.660 Now, right now inside of the province,

01:17:58.440 inside of the country, inside of most cities,

01:18:00.260 we're living through something

01:18:01.660 that's called an affordability crisis.

01:18:04.160 And there has been a quarter of Canadians

01:18:08.040 that are living with food insecurity.

01:18:11.600 And food insecurity was basically defined as

01:18:14.280 is people that have to skip meals, they can't afford to eat so that they can pay their other

01:18:21.420 bills. And I mean, that's a whole big conversation, but people are skipping meals.

01:18:26.040 The price of eggs over the last five years has doubled. I don't think anybody's going to disagree

01:18:31.340 with that. Meanwhile, a dude that has inspected eggs, nothing wrong with them,

01:18:39.040 was selling them outside of his allotted quota.

01:18:46.220 So we have suppression of government

01:18:49.280 that's busting down on some dude selling his eggs

01:18:54.160 so that he can pay his bills

01:18:56.320 so that other Canadians can eat affordable eggs.

01:19:01.340 And I'm going to go on a small rant about eggs.

01:19:04.940 Eggs are about the closest to a perfect food that you can actually consume.

01:19:11.480 High in nutrients, high in vitamin D, high in fats, healthy fats, high in amino acids.

01:19:18.440 They support your immune system.

01:19:20.080 They support your muscles.

01:19:21.700 They support growth.

01:19:23.960 They support your brain function, activity, and maintenance.

01:19:29.380 The perfect food.

01:19:31.140 we have a government that's suppressing eggs while we're overlooking the issues with people

01:19:40.920 dealing meth inside of the streets how the fuck does this happen and i mean

01:19:47.080 uh you know i i i can get really passionate about this conversation and i realized that

01:19:56.360 it's probably not good for my campaign uh using the profanity and all that but but seriously like

01:20:03.180 we come to a place in society where we'll watch um people committing a horrendous crime

01:20:12.800 walking out on bail and and i you know i i broke this down again today in inside of a

01:20:20.000 a tweet on my campaign account, my, my inside voice on Twitter. I am two people. I have my

01:20:26.700 inside voice and that's my campaign account. I have my outside voice and that's my main account.

01:20:31.900 And I broke it down on my inside voice and then, uh, you know, kind of fed this through my outside

01:20:36.080 voice. Cause you know, you know, I have the bigger following on that. Um, but it's the same thing.

01:20:41.860 I met up with a, uh, you know, a small business inside of my community and they got robbed three

01:20:49.100 days, back to back. Like, let's call it Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I don't know what the actual

01:20:55.140 days were, but they got robbed three consecutive days in a row by the same guy. Two of those days,

01:21:05.040 and let's call them Monday, Tuesday, this guy was arrested by Calgary Police Services

01:21:10.000 and still showed up the following day to rob the exact same location the next day.

01:21:19.100 Now, we're arresting a guy that's contributing support with one of the healthiest food items on the planet

01:21:28.680 that's ever been known to exist in the existence of humanity, eggs.

01:21:35.100 We're arresting this guy.

01:21:37.260 We're allowing another guy to go out and rob businesses where you and I are going to pay premium on the products that they sell

01:21:47.420 because they still have to make margin.

01:21:51.020 We're letting the criminals go

01:21:52.980 and we're arresting the guy

01:21:54.420 that's working on trying to keep

01:21:56.520 his legitimate business open,

01:21:58.920 providing a helpful food quality.

01:22:01.620 This is inside of the province of Alberta.

01:22:03.880 We were looking at, you know,

01:22:05.520 the big conversation of separation.

01:22:07.460 How about let's start looking at

01:22:09.540 fucking logic

01:22:11.380 because it's completely eluded

01:22:14.800 us on all levels of government and that's municipal

01:22:18.840 provincial and federal this is fucking insanity

01:22:22.480 yeah we we are seeing the inverse of what should

01:22:26.880 happen in in many domains um and the

01:22:30.700 the egg quota like you can extend that circle like you can extend that

01:22:34.980 um to some of these other kind of

01:22:38.880 let it be the beef or dairy cartel these things that

01:22:42.100 kind of mess with the supply and demand of everything but i was pleased to see pierre

01:22:49.560 specifically in his rallies he's been pretty good for pointing out the repeat offenders

01:22:55.480 as well as um kind of the catch and release policies he's he hasn't shied away from that

01:23:03.980 i feel like that was a strong point of some of his messaging and right now i feel like with this

01:23:11.360 election and with what's unfolding we've got to take little wins and we've got to take little

01:23:17.020 steps and we still have to call out every single politician and keep keep everybody accountable

01:23:24.460 for what they do and do not do um and keep them like hold them to their words and i know i have a

01:23:30.860 year you're all about accountability especially on your podcast and you're you're great when it

01:23:36.280 comes to that side of things so um i i don't know i i feel like we we can't we may not get all the

01:23:44.320 wins that we want right away um and it may push things in different directions but i i feel like

01:23:52.880 there are some potential little wins we've got a we've got to recognize um along the way so

01:23:58.340 and actually if i could just sorry i would just just quickly um sorry sheldon james i don't know

01:24:03.720 if eva has to go too but james and i have to head out at around 8 30 here can you give us a second

01:24:07.740 to just plug our socials and then we'll we'll dip go hard guys yeah i was gonna say that too

01:24:15.360 um but what i was gonna say you go first because i just lost the thought

01:24:20.840 all right uh yeah thanks for man sheldon thanks as always for hosting us um i know you know we

01:24:29.980 we have a kind of a group chat going but we're super appreciate you always hosting us on your

01:24:33.820 channel you got you got such a good reach and it's really uh um yeah it's just it's just really

01:24:38.280 nice for us to be able to do this so appreciate it uh we're on um x at uh at the crit comp uh

01:24:44.320 we're on youtube and rumble at the critical compass uh we're on spotify now we try to put

01:24:49.340 our full episodes on spotify and um yeah anything james well i appreciate the conversation i

01:24:57.260 I appreciate every time we dive into these kind of things,

01:25:01.800 I feel like we explore things that I didn't fully think about.

01:25:05.400 And I love having such good minds to bounce these ideas off of.

01:25:10.820 No, and sorry to cut you off, Eva, because I know you got to go too.

01:25:15.820 I do want to take some time.

01:25:17.260 And again, to plug you guys, you can look at them as the critical compass.

01:25:22.160 If you Google them, you'll find them on X and throughout their other social media.

01:25:27.900 They're great guys.

01:25:29.000 They're trying to engage in the right conversations.

01:25:32.800 And I mean, they're independent, which means we don't have millions of dollars of federal funding or provincial or local funding.

01:25:42.240 They're outside of it.

01:25:43.740 Actually, they're in Edmonton.

01:25:45.860 Don't hold that against them.

01:25:49.160 I was born in Edmonton.

01:25:51.580 So, I mean, you know, they're fam to me.

01:25:54.620 But no, honestly speaking, pay attention to the Critical Compass.

01:25:59.540 Follow Mike and James on their social media feeds.

01:26:02.600 Listen to their engagements because they're here for the same reasons that we're all here, is to have the conversations that need to be had.

01:26:10.840 Guys, and one more thing.

01:26:13.440 It was Mike and James that threw together the conversation for this evening.

01:26:18.020 um we all get wrapped up inside of our own conversations so i do want to take that extra

01:26:23.940 moment of time uh to show my appreciation even though i you know i'm hosting the stream they

01:26:29.420 said guys we have to do this they threw it together they arranged the times the evenings

01:26:35.000 uh it's it's brother james that uh threw together the graphics um that i that i was able to post

01:26:42.020 so I'm ever so appreciative

01:26:44.440 of the critical compass

01:26:46.420 the voices that they bring to the

01:26:48.540 community, the messages

01:26:50.360 they try and share so guys

01:26:52.280 thanks a lot for being a part of

01:26:54.540 the conversation and again

01:26:56.480 thanks again for arranging this for all of us

01:26:58.780 Thank you man, thank you

01:27:00.220 And if I could just add the last

01:27:02.560 thing I wanted to say because I'm

01:27:04.500 always such an optimist too, otherwise

01:27:06.340 I don't think I would be doing any of

01:27:08.480 this if I didn't think that there was

01:27:10.120 um and positive at the end of the day but james was talking about the little wins and about how

01:27:16.360 i'm always holding the government to account and i think actually that's the one thing i want to

01:27:21.320 identify as a big win is i think people are just more engaged like hey we're talking about at the

01:27:26.520 beginning about the advanced pollings and people having these conversations there's a little bit

01:27:31.560 of the silos yes i do see that obviously but i think people are starting to question our government

01:27:39.480 officials more quietly or loudly and i think that's a huge win for canada because i think

01:27:46.280 we've been a little bit asleep at the wheel so that's the positive note i would like to leave

01:27:50.760 today on nice thanks again guys super appreciate it we'll we'll shut her down here eva as always

01:28:00.120 a pleasure having a conversation with you i i thank you for your voice inside of the community

01:28:05.080 I thank you for being a part of these conversations

01:28:08.100 And like me

01:28:09.620 Pushing the engagement

01:28:11.280 Because it's

01:28:12.980 We may not be right or wrong

01:28:15.000 We're always right

01:28:16.180 Whatever

01:28:19.300 No but it's

01:28:22.080 It's always positive

01:28:25.160 That we at least try and

01:28:27.100 Hear the other side out

01:28:28.900 And engage in positive conversations

01:28:31.180 In how is this

01:28:33.480 going to benefit us moving forward and how is this going to you know return canada to a pre-trudeau

01:28:40.320 way where people could afford to eat people could afford to live um people had an optimism in canada

01:28:47.040 people could live the canadian dream people came to our country instead of fleeing our country

01:28:53.420 um as a part of you know who we are as as true canadians and and true prideful canadians so

01:29:01.800 guys thanks a lot for for your time this evening again thanks guys for uh arranging this uh mike

01:29:08.720 and james eva thanks for for showing up and marty uh you know what thanks for being a part of the

01:29:14.840 conversation brother always appreciate another voice inside of the conversation so have a great

01:29:19.600 evening guys and you know what fingers crossed for like the 28th man i don't know we're gonna

01:29:26.800 to do this again monday monday will be interesting yeah we'll do it we'll do a post-mortem after

01:29:34.240 totally okay thanks so much thanks guys

The Critical Compass Podcast - April 25, 2025

Pre-Election Round Table w⧸YakkStakk, Eva Chipiuk, Martyupnorth

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