The Critical Compass Podcast - February 24, 2024


Russia NATO Dynamics ｜ A Critical Compass Clip

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russia nato dynamics
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In this episode, I sit down with my good friend and long-time Russian-American friend Alexei Pudin to discuss the ongoing proxy war between Russia and Ukraine. We talk about the history of the conflict, the motivations behind it, and what the future of the proxy war looks like.

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00:00:00.000 like if you look at this from russia's perspective this is just
00:00:06.960 they're going to keep on fighting as long as it gets fueled
00:00:10.360 like the sending money and fighting a proxy war is not really it's not really sending a message of
00:00:19.160 peace oh of course i mean that's like that's the the western countries that are funding this are
00:00:25.600 obviously talking to both sides of the mouth all the time you know this this war needs to end
00:00:31.320 here take some more tanks you know it's it's the i think the notion of uh you know like you all you
00:00:39.140 have to do is go back you know a year year and a half and uh look at how the the headlines are
00:00:43.580 being written about how oh this is an easy this is a walk-off victory for ukraine this is going to be
00:00:48.400 over before it starts the russians are you know bleeding resources and and uh and troops and
00:00:53.640 obviously that's just not the case and russia has obviously shown its willingness to just
00:00:59.280 as it has throughout history as throughout its entire history just throw bodies at a problem
00:01:05.140 until the problem ends there there is no um for like sort of what you said earlier there's there's a
00:01:15.860 um a clear vision and a obviously a um i can't think of the term that i'm i'm trying to use but
00:01:23.960 like a a sort of a pride behind um the mission and it's it won't be it's it's not going to be able
00:01:32.540 to be derailed by just pretty words you know i guess the russian identity the national identity has
00:01:40.520 been pretty strong yeah um they they also don't spend that much time teaching their army about
00:01:46.840 pronouns so yeah or putting like tampons in men's washrooms yeah yeah they are quite focused on just
00:01:54.680 creating strong individuals ready to fight um you did say like just throwing bodies into the meat grinder
00:02:02.860 uh i think you can look at ukraine right now and the fact that they're the there's conscription
00:02:09.620 going on and they've expanded the age range for conscription meaning that they're running out of
00:02:17.100 bodies that way they're running out of willing people to fight on the battlefield so it feels like
00:02:24.100 right now through the money and resources that's being just funneled into ukraine lives are being lost
00:02:32.260 endlessly where potentially peace could have been negotiated earlier on if
00:02:38.880 if if this adversarial relationship wasn't wasn't established and i i think pudin
00:02:46.800 he was mentioning kind of the the nato dynamic to it and when the soviet union collapsed part of that
00:02:57.220 part of those discussions was that nato would never there there'd be no established nato bases
00:03:06.020 directly beside russia um and the whole fact that nato exists is because of the soviet threat
00:03:14.900 so for nato to exist and russia's not in nato for them to continue to exist and then expand and get
00:03:24.860 closer to russia what is that like what message is that sending well of course i mean that's the
00:03:33.900 you know the the inverse is not mentioned enough about just how much of a thorough unending brutal
00:03:45.440 strike would occur if uh the russians ever had the notion of putting uh you know military outpost
00:03:53.540 outposts on the mexican border or in saskatchewan i think or saskatchewan would be a great place for
00:03:59.400 yeah or on the you know the coast just just uh off the coast of alaska or something like that or on a
00:04:05.420 or on a or on an island on the what if they put like put something in cuba what would happen then
00:04:11.200 yeah yeah we'll never know but you know it's uh um i mean it's just silly when you think about it
00:04:18.640 like just for for more than five seconds of course you know you can as you said but at the very very
00:04:24.880 beginning when you began um telling me about this um it's it's it was an a reframing of an aristotelian
00:04:34.700 quote of it it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it
00:04:40.400 and of course we can hold the ideas in our mind simultaneously that yes of course putin is a
00:04:46.720 dictator of course he's a megalomaniac of course he's you know done the exact same things that we
00:04:53.840 uh all despise justin trudeau over like debanking people and uh and had taking political prisoners
00:05:00.220 but that doesn't necessarily mean that he doesn't have a point about uh if the u.s wants to put
00:05:07.540 uh long-range missile silos on the ukrainian border next to uh russia of course there's
00:05:15.640 going to be issue taken with that and it's completely reasonable to have issue taken with that
00:05:19.320 so
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