The Critical Compass Podcast - June 18, 2024


＂The Experts＂ vs Generalists in Politics, Science, & Law w⧸Eva Chipiuk ｜ A Critical Compass Clip

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6 minutes

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165.19

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1,133

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In this episode, I sit down with a friend of mine, Dr. Kelly, to talk about her experience with the Vaxx legislation that was passed in 2011. We talk about how she fought for public health and privacy rights, and how she became a voice for the voiceless and voiceless.

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00:00:00.000 and actually uh to your point about section six the uh mobility rights that's what you know that
00:00:08.620 meme on the internet of like what radicalized you this is what radicalized me in the summer of 21
00:00:14.160 uh we were going to visit my wife's family in pei and that was right when they were doing the this
00:00:19.860 was before the the vax passes but but they were doing the maritime bubble and do you remember
00:00:26.460 that how is that constitutional yeah it was nonsense right and so i was that nobody exactly
00:00:32.980 and i i wrote a big email and maybe one day i'll find it i wrote a huge email to the to the to the
00:00:38.940 premier and i don't think it got answered but um but i laid out my rationale i was like this does
00:00:45.640 this seems to go against section six this seems to go against this and that and what they were
00:00:49.520 making you do at the time was uh essentially you were supposed to upload a picture of your
00:00:56.460 vaccination records to this website that they created that had a database that was being
00:01:02.020 hosted somewhere offshore like it wasn't even a government site and and i put all that into the
00:01:07.300 email like how am i supposed to know that like even if i was on board with this which i'm not
00:01:11.560 how am i supposed to know that any information i upload to the site remains secure it's not leaked
00:01:16.240 somewhere else this is not a guf like a.gc or whatever.pei website um yeah it was a mess it was
00:01:22.840 a mess and like no one cared i don't know if they cared because this is what i'm learning the more
00:01:28.640 i'm involved is i think maybe sometimes they didn't even know like you might have brought up
00:01:34.780 some points they're like oh yeah where are we storing this if you look around and i don't mean
00:01:42.500 to be disrespectful or disparaging but kind of look at some of the people that are elected officials
00:01:49.080 again i'm not trying to be disparaging but if right most regular canadians and i'd say most
00:01:57.260 regular canadians don't really appreciate and understand these things which is fair like we
00:02:02.580 already talked about this is not in their daily wheelhouse do you really expect elected officials
00:02:09.980 that kind of have the same background to automatically know all these things when they
00:02:14.200 get elected particularly at a local level um that's what i'm learning a lot about because
00:02:20.640 right now there's been a lot of um talk about the human rights and having washrooms uh like
00:02:27.300 unisex or something i really think that people in small communities don't understand so they're like
00:02:33.340 oh we don't want to be sued so let's just do this and that right the more i'm involved the more
00:02:38.720 i'm understanding that's actually the case so you might have brought something to their attention
00:02:43.220 that they didn't really know about but privacy rights is something that possibly they didn't even
00:02:49.060 consider crazy so let's yeah it's uh i think elevating the conversation is so important so one
00:02:59.380 thing i've noticed is uh there is a tend kind of in academia for hyper specialization where people
00:03:06.500 will take six years and they'll just dive deep and they'll be an expert in this one tiny little
00:03:13.500 field but if you go anywhere outside of that they're functionally blind to how that interacts and i think
00:03:22.820 you get a little bit of that with certain politicians that they know their area super well but we're we're
00:03:29.220 lacking some some there's a term called deep generalists these are people who have a
00:03:36.480 like a very deep practical sense of how how the world works feel like if we add a few more of
00:03:44.840 those in politics um that would just help glue things together it'd help kind of get people out
00:03:51.980 of their silos because i think the deferring to experts are like well it's like i don't know enough
00:03:56.640 to even like do a little bit of critical thinking so you defer it to somebody else and there's no like
00:04:03.280 checking up on it there's no accountability there's no like you 100 trust that this one random expert
00:04:09.720 came to a certain conclusion like well what's the rationale on that like how do we make sure that
00:04:15.500 they're not just off because of their own biases so we we need more of this crosstalk
00:04:22.560 it's incredibly important and i think that's a detriment to what we see and what's going on and
00:04:31.420 i think that extends of not just politics and i hadn't really thought about it in politics but i
00:04:36.740 think you're spot on but in science and in law i see like we saw this um during covid again going back
00:04:45.600 to that we had it was if you weren't uh an immunologist then you you can't talk and the
00:04:53.640 immunologist is like i don't know the epidemiologist should be the one we're asking the epidemiologist
00:05:00.820 is like i'm not a vaccinologist the vaccinologist is like no it's public health public and who like
00:05:06.600 that's if you actually look at what happened there was a lot of that and if a lay person wasn't any of
00:05:13.860 those but the experts were pointing fingers at each other as well um and that's why i think you didn't
00:05:20.400 see too many lawyers jumping up and taking these on because these were incredibly complicated
00:05:25.740 high profile public issues as well but very specialized too so a lot of people are specialized
00:05:32.640 in their practice so why would they take away from their comfort and knowledge and then jump into
00:05:39.840 something different so i think that's crossed the board that we that that's causing problem unless
00:05:45.300 you're you know a trades person that is supposed to be doing you know maybe if you're an electricity
00:05:50.960 electrician you shouldn't be jumping into plumbing i think that's appropriate but i think having a bit
00:05:57.200 i but i i suspect an electrician can give you some good guidance on a plumbing whereas in law you almost
00:06:05.080 don't it's like not my area not my specialty ask somebody else and i don't think that's helpful like
00:06:12.380 then we don't build a house if nobody knows anything with that same kind of analogy yeah it's it feels like
00:06:18.400 it maybe has to do with the with the stakes and the whole uh the whole uh cya aspect of it maybe from
00:06:25.640 from a from a law perspective but i was it's funny you say that because i was gonna say we need more
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