The Need for Better Political Dialogue w⧸Eva Chipiuk ｜ A Critical Compass Clip
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss the need for nuance and nuance in the political discourse, and the lack of trust in our public institutions, as well as what we need to do to bridge the political divide and build bridges across political divides.
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but that's another thing that like it just is so strange when you put yourself out there
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publicly how quickly people are to are ready to paint you with this or that and um this whole
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dialogue over division to me it's having a conversation i enjoy conversations i like
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i i don't understand how we've gotten here and i don't have the time to respond to every post
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or commentary you make that's that's not the place to have an actual conversation i i don't very often
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have um back and forths with people because i don't find that's productive i i'm more prepared
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to have a conversation like adults like i don't know why things have become so short and you know
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labeled instead of let's just have a conversation like people used to do once upon a time
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sometimes people in these conversations they will they're actually having a conversation with
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what they think you believe rather than actually addressing what you believe outright and that's
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where i'm always curious to if somebody uses a term well we got to define that term we got to agree that
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we're actually talking about the same thing if not sometimes you can be talking past each other you can
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be you could be missing the mark just because you haven't actually decided that you're focused on
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the same thing and then you mentioned that you're labeled you're labeled alt-right or right-wing
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just because now you've kind of helped defend some citizens for their rights who are not on the left
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now what what happens is people subscribe a whole other subset of beliefs onto these labels um this
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middle ground is something where if you ask a lot of people the average person's somewhere in the
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middle on like a lot of issues i feel like there's a little bit more commonality than there are
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differences and you see this you talk about immigration uh just as one little example most people think that
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there should be a limit because if you ask people well in canada should we have 10 million people
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move in in 2025 people say oh that's too too much so all we're disagreeing with right now is where
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should the limit be rather than like because everybody has a limit it's just we're disagreeing
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about the exact number of it and and often these things get framed in black and white terms and we
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need more of that nuance and kind of this shared understanding well i think that's such a great
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example too and it's not i for me at least it's not just the amount of people because i don't think
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um i have enough information to even comment on that what it is i think is how it affects people and
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for me whatever everything i do and don't get me wrong some of some of the clients that i have i very
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much believe in the ideology as well but it's all about holding the government to account so if we
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have the information about okay we're going to bring in x many um immigrants wonderful great like i
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understand canada was built on immigrants as well with immigrants but we they need the facilities to
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live as well so let's just ensure that we're doing this responsibly and then let's have a conversation
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about how many people are but first and foremost perhaps elected officials you should be listening
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and talking to the citizens that are already here and what their concerns are what their issues are
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what their fears are let's just talk about them and that's where i think that this is what's causing a
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bit of the gap and the lack of trust in our public and institutions is i've been seeing more so recently
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elected officials are talking at us rather than with us or to us they're just saying this is what
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we're doing the end and not even sometimes saying why which is would be helpful and would be nice
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but ideally it would be what are your thoughts on this and wow i think that would transform things i
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think that that would start getting people more civically engaged that would also start building
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trust and repairing that that bridge that uh we have that's quite open right now and then i wonder
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whether it's sometimes done on purpose or not so maybe they just like doing their work you know over
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there and not bothering but i think it's also on us to get involved yeah it makes me yeah the way that i and
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i i think we've talked about this on on our show before where it almost feels sometimes like
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maybe you know if you want to say that there's a you know a government media apparatus of some type
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that kind of maybe focuses and keeps you know a pretty tight control of the messaging it almost
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feels like they don't want us to discuss these types of things because they this is giving them
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the benefit of the doubt that they don't want the conversation to go off the rails and be like
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you know if you start talking about limiting immigration then before you know what people
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will be talking about you know they'll be saying racist things about you know muslim immigrants or
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something like they go way too far the other way as if you couldn't have any nuanced discussion in the
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middle there that has nothing to do with either race or religion or anything like that but is surely a
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but is simply a practical conversation on the sheer number right a hundred percent and i like that you
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brought up the media and um how it's kind of captured or worse and you know with everything
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that's occurred over the last four years that has been highlighted with the problems i think it's also
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great i'm a forever optimist or however you say it because i also see that it's caused a lot of people
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to do things that they probably wouldn't have for example me doing this podcast yourselves doing yours
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and i think that's good and i think that's healthy and helpful so it really exposes things as well um
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and i think just today the cbc had or somebody reported that the cbc had like the worst viewership
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it ever had in a long time with the 1.5 billion dollars and the amount of content creators that they
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have there so that goes to show you the power that we have all the time if we're willing to take some