The Critical Compass Podcast - Trudeau Resignation Debrief Livestream feat. Eva Chipiuk, Martyupnorth, Sheldon Yakiwchuk

00:00:00.000 think this but they couldn't convince trudeau to do this but i think what they should have done is

00:00:03.480 trudeau should have literally come back yesterday and said i'm stepping down i'm done and i'm

00:00:09.520 staying on as an mp and i'm designated i don't know pick a pick a person uh you know um in the

00:00:15.880 latest polling uh it shows that it's it's possible apparently that the liberals could lose party

00:00:21.040 status with how unpopular they are if they elect whoever like it it's it's entirely likely that

00:00:27.500 they're going to remain unpopular so if i was jagmeet singh i would i would come out as a bulldog

00:00:33.280 and i would say like you know the minute that i'm allowed to throw a non-confidence i'm going to be

00:00:38.020 the one to throw it

00:00:39.020 all right so we've got an action-packed conversation lined up with a few amazing people from inside of

00:01:02.380 alberta to talk about what's going on with trudeau right now the pro roguing and and what are we

00:01:07.720 looking forward coming in the next few months and it's you know there's a lot going on with this and

00:01:13.460 i still see more comments uh popping up i know somebody just um fed something into i think it was

00:01:19.800 into your uh comments under your post eva about the uh a lawsuit launched by the jccf on behalf of

00:01:26.780 two people from nova scotia um and it's in regards to something similar that happened when brie exit

00:01:33.100 was going through and boris johnson tried to call our pro rogue parliament for five out of the eight

00:01:37.600 weeks and they deemed it illegal so you know i don't know where we go from here uh you know what

00:01:43.240 let's let's start off with everybody give themselves a quick introduction i know i've got my screen set

00:01:47.360 up as me in the top left marty uh adam uh eva bottom left and mike in the bottom right so marty go first

00:01:54.460 and then we'll go in order that way just the z pattern i didn't think i needed any introduction

00:01:59.980 i'm marty up north no you probably don't everybody that's watching is going to know us for the most

00:02:07.200 part but no no no still take it away yeah yeah no i i so i'm marty up north i'm i'm i'm down south

00:02:14.020 by calgary right now and uh absolutely fascinated by i mean i haven't been this happy in a long time

00:02:22.060 with uh with the start of the year so it's uh you know i'm a political shit disturber who uh

00:02:28.860 who who likes to hold politicians accountable and um and people you know and people are a little

00:02:35.420 surprised that i hold uh politicians conservative politicians accountable and i told everybody i'm

00:02:42.060 like when poiliev gets elected you think i'm just gonna stop holding politicians accountable no and and

00:02:48.300 and then this week the reality of poiliev getting elected became that much closer so yeah that's

00:02:53.340 that's that's who i am that's why i'm here

00:02:57.740 all right go ahead eva well eva is my name and i'm in edmonton calgary most of the time and i am trying

00:03:06.780 to hold the government to account as much as possible in as many ways as possible one of which is suing the

00:03:12.940 government and also educating and elevating the conversation in canada because i think there's

00:03:18.620 so much opportunity canadians have and i love that people are so engaged and mad and confused and asking

00:03:26.300 questions right now because i think this is the discourse that we were missing in canada for a while

00:03:31.340 and i'm so happy to be hearing it i don't even care what happens as long as people are talking so

00:03:36.620 um that's where i'm at the the engagement rate on on conversations has definitely gone up hasn't it eva

00:03:44.380 yeah well and i think mike is it in this conversation now because he's gotten interested

00:03:51.580 who's mike yeah well i i was i thought you were going to say you started off by saying uh eva is my

00:03:57.900 name and then you you went into something i thought you were to say like lawsuits are my game you know

00:04:02.620 my name is mike um i'm from the critical compass i'm a part of a duo with uh james is my co-host and

00:04:12.220 he's in the background right now uh watching and keeping notes for clips later that we'll be able

00:04:17.580 to post so yeah just happy to be here with uh with the uh the three heaviest hitters in alberta uh

00:04:24.380 commentary yeah no it's and it's good to have you have you back we've had a couple of good conversations

00:04:30.380 um and and before we all hopped on it was it was actually uh you know we talked about when we all

00:04:36.700 get together uh at these events we go out um you know in edmonton and calgary and we have an

00:04:43.180 opportunity to meet a lot of the people that are either subscribers of ours in one form or another

00:04:47.500 uh marty i know you have a youtube channel uh critical compass mike you've got a you know uh your

00:04:53.580 your stream eva do you have a do you have a sub stack i can't remember or is it just but i have

00:04:59.020 like everything else a website a book courses she has a book man she has a book yeah i don't even

00:05:06.860 it's a physical subject empowering canadians too uh the website right um yeah so it's it's it's

00:05:15.660 always so amazing when we have the opportunity when we can get one of these events thrown together

00:05:20.460 and a lot of these things are a couple of these things have actually formed around

00:05:23.820 uh ucp uh either gatherings or uh events um you know the what law he's holding and we've got another

00:05:32.780 one of those coming up another injection of truth i don't know if you guys are all going to be able to

00:05:36.540 make that one in calgary uh in march i think it is or no yeah march but should be a good time so it's

00:05:42.860 always really good to get together with you guys get out meet some of the folks that we all have in

00:05:47.020 mutual in common and and then just kind of expand from there and expand the conversations and i find that

00:05:51.980 absolutely incredible so moving on to this uh proroguing of parliament now there seems to be a

00:05:59.740 lot of confusion as to what's going on so before we even get to the lawsuit portion of the suing

00:06:05.260 suing the government for proroguing um the confusion about this and this is how i understand it you guys

00:06:11.180 can can tip in after this is right now uh parliament is prorogued to march 24th i think that's fact that's

00:06:18.140 that that's what was stated right uh so so the liberals are going to run a leadership race as i

00:06:24.220 understand it and they're going to have to get it completed by that point now the reason it's march

00:06:29.980 24th is because they have to approve the budget or otherwise no contracts can be completed so that's

00:06:35.580 why it's ending on the 24th so liberals effectively have to have their leadership race completed by then

00:06:41.580 now once they go into the 24th as i understand it there's going to be a non-confidence vote put put

00:06:47.340 forth by either jagmeet singh or by the conservatives or uh might even be the block at this point and

00:06:53.340 we're pretty sure that trudeau is going to be kicked out but even if he's not by resigning from uh

00:06:59.580 leadership of the party he'd also said that once they have a leader he's going to step aside as prime

00:07:06.060 minister which means the new liberal leader is going to be the interim uh prime minister of canada

00:07:14.620 while we go through this election period now the election period i think um once once the you know

00:07:21.340 the the idea of the election is called i think it's 21 days and i'm not sure where i read that

00:07:26.060 but it's something like 21 days after that point where they get to do their campaigning like they

00:07:30.860 can't say yeah we're going to have an election but it's not going to be for another six months

00:07:34.940 you you you you there's a lot to unpack there and there's a lot of things we need to clarify i mean

00:07:42.380 it's uh like i i want to go back to one thing right off the bat like the the the pro roguing and the

00:07:52.460 liberal leadership race they're separate things they didn't they're not mutually inclusive or exclusive

00:07:58.220 they like they absolutely correct yeah yeah so um you know let's break them apart let's take them

00:08:04.620 one step at a time right so um right now uh parliament's on recess parliament's on recess and

00:08:12.780 was supposed to resume uh january 27th is when the parliament was supposed to resume and for all

00:08:19.900 intense purposes trudeau didn't did not want to come back on january 27th because he he you know just

00:08:26.780 before christmas he had uh several ministers resign he had he he's got a rebellion on his hands and then

00:08:33.660 he had guys like jagmeet singh and the leader of the bloc and the conservatives everybody's saying

00:08:38.380 like as soon as you come back on the 27th we're all going to gang up against you and we're going to

00:08:42.860 defeat you so i think you know over christmas that was one of the big things that the liberal party had

00:08:48.860 to strategize not the liberal party i'm not even going to say it's a liberal party i literally think it

00:08:53.340 was true to on his own over christmas is like i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna pull this fast move on

00:08:59.020 people i'm gonna prorogue parliament and by myself sometime so that that was one of the first thing

00:09:06.300 that was one thing so that so let's talk about that i mean so he prorogued parliament before and

00:09:10.460 that was the first thing he said yesterday when he came out to tell canadians what he had done over

00:09:15.660 christmas he says i'm proroguing parliament so what does that mean right eva do you want to do you want

00:09:21.660 to hit like what what does proroguing mean legally or constitutionally or or or or maybe just in terms

00:09:30.060 of layman's terms like what does proroguing mean well that's the thing is we don't have a lot of

00:09:35.740 precedent for this it doesn't obviously happen a lot um i think the best word like used is a recess

00:09:42.780 the question is whether it's legal and under what authority is he doing this and for what purpose is he

00:09:50.140 doing this and and i think that's the question that we should be asking and i i do really think

00:09:56.140 it's important to distinguish anything happening with the liberal party and any um cleaning up they're

00:10:02.460 doing to anything happening in the parliament because they are two separate things um and so

00:10:09.020 if the purpose has anything to do with what's going on with the liberal party that's

00:10:12.700 i don't know if you just i just lost you no you're you're we we got you um

00:10:29.900 okay actually we might lose eva for a little bit but i'll i'll pick up on where she was the um

00:10:36.060 there there has been so whatever was hinting at is is proroguing uh legal and why is it being done

00:10:43.420 and and during the trudeau trudeau prorogued once before so proroguing is basically ending parliament

00:10:50.220 normally proroguing literally occurs at the end of any parliamentary session and a session is four years

00:10:56.700 like a session is not you know one season a session is four months is four years and at the end of every

00:11:02.860 session there's an official prorogation which means parliament's ended and uh everything stops and

00:11:08.700 then we go to the election and but so that's the normal prorogation trudeau prorogue parliament in uh

00:11:17.740 in 2022 during the we scandal but at that time he had a semi-valid excuse for proroguing he basically

00:11:26.620 used the excuse that we had just come out of hovid he had been elected in 2021 and what he said in 2022

00:11:35.100 he's like during the last nine months things have changed so much because of the end of covid i'm

00:11:39.900 proroguing i'm restarting parliament um and so in in in 2022 that was a fairly valid excuse to prorogue

00:11:47.820 now behind the scenes he was doing it because he was in the middle of the the we scandal and other

00:11:53.020 things but but it was fairly valid this time to prorogue it's just a it's it's just a a a weasel

00:12:02.860 move to um to avoid being defeated and he's using the excuse that he's giving his party time to elect

00:12:10.940 a new leader yeah that's irrelevant to me i mean you know the if if if he you know i'm not saying like

00:12:17.020 if trudeau got hit by a bus tomorrow what would the party do they wouldn't need to prorogue they

00:12:21.820 would just turn around and go hey bob you're the interim leader right so so his excuse for

00:12:27.820 proroguing right now is pretty weak well it would go to the deputy prime minister if he was hit by a

00:12:32.780 bus as i understand it sure and that'd be christia christia freeland because though she stepped away

00:12:37.740 from cabinet she didn't step away from being deputy prime minister so interesting i didn't know that

00:12:44.460 yeah so the as near as i understand so the the reason that they're going through this leadership

00:12:52.060 and the reason that christia freeland still has to run for leadership of the party is because trudeau

00:12:57.580 is walking away from both leadership and from being prime minister so nothing actually happened to

00:13:02.380 him so the proroguing is basically to stall so that they can have adequate time to run a leadership

00:13:07.660 race and then once this leadership race is run then whoever runs wins the leadership of the

00:13:14.460 party that's when trudeau again intends to step down and take the the leader of the liberal party

00:13:22.700 with their mandates and step forward now as i also understand it mandates that are originally dictated

00:13:28.940 by the liberal government can't be changed without an election which means they have to carry out

00:13:34.540 trudeau's mandates as they're laid out without changing mandates for this interim period

00:13:41.100 but again once a new prime minister is dropped into place a snap election automatically has to happen

00:13:47.660 because nobody in canada would have elected the new prime minister of canada they're only the leader

00:13:53.340 of the party that that's the tradition you're you're absolutely correct that's the tradition i mean uh

00:13:58.140 you know that happened for instance uh recently provincially in alberta right danielle smith jason kenney

00:14:04.140 steps down danielle steps in gets to be the leader of the party so when danielle became the leader of

00:14:09.260 the conservative uh well there's an exception if the leader if the if the liberals elect a new leader who

00:14:17.660 happens to be a sitting mp then they can say okay well he's the lead that the he she the new leader that

00:14:24.940 we've selected who also happens to be an mp then becomes the prime minister because the way it works in

00:14:30.860 this country is we the the party that gets the most seats chooses their prime minister technically they

00:14:37.420 should choose the prime minister once they've all been elected they get together and they go okay

00:14:41.340 you know the the the 120 of us that got elected to form government we choose our leader who becomes

00:14:46.860 a prime minister but traditionally nowadays the party decides that in advance eva's waving what do you

00:14:54.220 go ahead sorry eva somebody said hi to me oh yeah guys is that what is that what happened to kim

00:15:01.980 campbell was that how she was the uh she got voted in is that right kim campbell got voted in that way um

00:15:09.980 uh joe clark got voted in that way it's happened a whole bunch of times right where actually kim

00:15:15.260 campbell didn't even get voted in i mean i think uh uh uh mulroney stepped down and she just she was

00:15:22.300 appointed she was there yeah yeah uh you know it happened with let's say the conservatives when uh

00:15:27.820 when rona but with the conservatives weren't in power but if you know when they when uh when they

00:15:32.220 had that changeover and rona ambrose stepped in it she could if they had been in power she would have

00:15:36.700 been the de facto prime minister so right yeah it it's it's it's it's all super interesting but i

00:15:43.500 so you know back to what happened on yesterday i mean there there's two moves so trudeau first of all

00:15:50.860 he announced that he's proroguing parliament and we'll i guess we'll come back to that but then the

00:15:55.100 second thing he announced is that he's he intends to resign um which is again why he didn't simply

00:16:05.100 resign on the spot and and i i think he should have just resigned on the spot and then and delegated

00:16:11.980 to somebody else they should have appointed an interim person i think they're making their life

00:16:17.100 complicated and in fact they're making their life really really complicated because um their

00:16:22.220 constitution their leadership uh race right now i don't think they can have a new leader in time for

00:16:28.860 uh the end of this prorogue period they won't have a new leader by march uh 27th well i think even the

00:16:35.180 way that he that he described why he was resigning was the the way he set it up was that so that he

00:16:41.420 didn't have to just say that we'll hand off the leadership because he he said that the whole

00:16:45.900 reason was because he couldn't carry on with all the infighting in the liberal party so just just to

00:16:51.500 make it seem like oh no like i'm fine the party is what needs to get its house in order right before

00:16:56.860 we can continue so i just pulled up on screen here how many times this has happened um so this is the

00:17:03.500 the vote of no or motion of no confidence so it was 1926 1963 1974 1979 2005 2011. votes of no confidence

00:17:13.660 in 2005 and 2011 were the result of explicit confidence motions presented by the opposition

00:17:20.620 so just so we have that for for kind of clarity for whenever somebody loops back to watch this

00:17:27.100 and what i wanted to say is that this is where i think everything gets a bit confusing and this

00:17:32.860 is when you asked me about proroguing and i was like well what's the purpose non-confidence is

00:17:38.940 something different different too and i think in most normal cases we would have had either the

00:17:46.220 prime minister resign like we were saying or have a non-confidence vote and there were non-confidence

00:17:52.060 votes but the um jagmeet singh and his party were propping up the liberal party and what's incredibly

00:18:00.460 frustrating too is the liberal party themselves were propping up justin trudeau so they led to their

00:18:07.580 own demise in a normal state of affairs this would have already happened at one of the earlier non-confident

00:18:16.620 confidence motions somebody would have said there's a lot of internal strife but they the liberal party

00:18:23.100 and the ndp party i think did this to themselves and now they're all trying to like they're surprised that

00:18:29.340 this is what justin is doing i totally can um understand that this is what he's doing and mike

00:18:35.500 just said it too is one of the first things i heard him say is i've we've got a lot of internal problems

00:18:42.220 okay so you don't stop all of government is you deal with that matter on your own and that's not an issue

00:18:50.540 for canada to be dealing with and that's why all of this is incredibly i think there's a definitely a good

00:18:57.020 chance on a legal challenge because this the purpose of the prorogation is not a little reset

00:19:04.700 this is for some their own purposes and that's not what it's for yeah no and and um

00:19:14.540 yeah very interesting if if they hadn't if he hadn't done any of this yesterday

00:19:19.340 and it was status quo like it was a couple weeks ago then then what would have happened is on on

00:19:26.380 january 20th we would have gone back to parliament and in all likelihood uh a couple of weeks later in

00:19:32.300 early february the government would have been defeated and uh and then we would have gone to an

00:19:36.700 election and and and but can i just say but but sorry but i i just want to mention one thing yeah

00:19:45.260 one of the other things we need to re remember too is um these kinds of shenanigans if they had

00:19:51.500 occurred under almost any other circumstances would be just viewed as shenanigans perhaps

00:19:56.220 but to do these kinds of shenanigans now when the americans are about to get a new president in

00:20:02.460 two weeks or three weeks that's like this is a crazy time to be pulling these kinds of shenanigans

00:20:08.860 and i think that's where the the legal challenge comes in on side of uh you know when the uk was going

00:20:14.540 through brie exit and uh you know they tried to pro rogue then it was like no like there's some

00:20:20.460 serious hitting the fans right now we're not going to let you guys escape this we need an actual

00:20:25.580 responsible government you're not shutting down government so you don't have to answer the tough

00:20:29.340 questions we need you here doing your jobs and and and it's much the same for what we're facing

00:20:35.820 because january 20th is inauguration day that's when trump takes seat and we've seen what he did in his

00:20:42.540 you know when he when he was elected as 45 um you know his first what weekend he'd signed 100 executive

00:20:49.340 orders you know he just went absolutely buck wild and you know he seems to have a wild hair up his ass

00:20:55.580 with with canada right now and for all the right reasons the same reasons that canadians have a

00:21:01.420 problem with the canadian government same same wild hairs up all of our asses right uh the drugs the the

00:21:08.380 crime the terrorists the you know he wants to protect the borders he's he's let that known i

00:21:13.740 mean he's kind of gone off in some wild tangents about how we have this you know this this trade

00:21:19.660 deficit or that you know they're we're ripping them off well we're started on that we're a tenth of the

00:21:25.260 population of course there's going to be some trade imbalance we can't buy as much as i mean i'm trying to

00:21:33.500 take trump with a great like there i think yes there's some real threats in trump i i think some

00:21:38.700 a couple you know some tariffs are are are for sure real part of me thinks that trump was sending a a

00:21:46.700 a warning uh to to poiliev more than anybody else right so i mean he's trolling trudeau but at the same

00:21:54.460 time he's kind of telling the future guy you know let's play ball and um but in the short term you're

00:22:01.900 right i mean i yeah i do worry he could sign an executive order and put a tariff on on aluminum

00:22:06.780 or something like that but the other stuff of annexing us and uh buying well actually buying

00:22:12.700 greenland's real like the trump plane landed in uh in greenland today it's crazy so yeah but let's

00:22:18.860 talk about this like we're we're still we're still a monarchy yeah like like negotiations aren't with

00:22:25.180 canada they got to be with the with uh king charles no well the the actually i'd like to talk about

00:22:33.020 i'd like to talk about you have what's that somebody needs to read the book yeah no i i'd

00:22:39.500 like to talk about the monarchy but i'd like to go back to eva and the the the the prorogation right

00:22:45.180 now like there's not a lot we can do to stop what just happened right i mean it it happened and uh

00:22:52.940 i think from my understanding the only well let me go back so our parliament what i've learned and

00:22:59.740 it's it's you know it's in eva's book and i've learned some of this too is that it's actually

00:23:05.420 based on traditions it's crazy how much our parliament is based on traditions it's not a

00:23:11.180 really set rule book it's based on tradition and precedent it's common law so if somebody in the past

00:23:18.220 pro-rogue parliament and it didn't get questioned on it then the next guy gets to pro-rogue parliament

00:23:23.900 and everybody just goes to the book and says well it happened in the past so so there's been too

00:23:28.380 many precedents for what trudeau just did i think legally or constitutionally the only one who could

00:23:34.380 interfere at this point would be the governor general or i joke the king himself could say hey

00:23:40.220 we're in the like you know but trump doesn't constitute a a an existential crisis if we if

00:23:47.180 if if germany had invaded you know england and we were stuck the way we are i think somebody would then

00:23:53.020 say listen you can't have a pro-rogue parliament with hitler walking across poland but we don't have

00:23:59.500 an existential threat so therefore go ahead eva i i definitely don't think that's the way it is

00:24:06.300 so um there's no reason that you need to have an existential stress uh threat to challenge this

00:24:13.580 so from the decision in britain uh the uk it said that even if you're affecting the core and essence of

00:24:21.260 the business of the parliament so that clearly that's happening i think any canadian citizen can

00:24:28.780 challenge the government and that was the first thing that we on this decision so any decision the

00:24:34.220 government ever makes you could um go to court within 30 days and challenge it on a judicial review

00:24:43.820 so that could be like a wcb decision like a government type body that could be a bill that and

00:24:50.780 that's what we're hearing lcb lgbtq community is doing in alberta they're bringing a judicial review

00:24:57.500 nobody's been harmed yet it's not a claim against the government of alberta but they're saying i have

00:25:03.580 a problem with the legislation that you've created and i'm going to ask the court to review it and these

00:25:09.500 are the reasons why and so that's the one we already have what i posted earlier today is because this

00:25:17.020 issue is actually affecting business in canada not just canada but at every provincial level as well

00:25:24.540 every premier in canada should be issuing a judicial review of this decision uh and i think that just

00:25:34.140 just pause for a second but but you so a judicial review no matter what the court's not gonna hear

00:25:40.780 that like tomorrow morning right there's is there a way to make that super urgent or is it again we've

00:25:46.300 never seen this before i think that provinces could make the argument to the supreme court saying this

00:25:52.540 is an issue that is of national public importance five provinces are making this claim and because

00:26:00.940 provinces first have to make a claim to their provincial um court of appeal but i think five

00:26:08.460 premiers can come together and say let's all challenge the government on this this is affecting

00:26:13.820 our business this is costing us like they talk you know what were they able to do when they said that

00:26:19.020 truckers were costing the government of canada so much money they could do the same thing here like

00:26:25.340 i can't even imagine what the actual consequences are of this kind of game playing on behalf of

00:26:32.620 trudeau i also said federal opposition leaders especially like jagmeet singh who's the one that said yeah i'm

00:26:39.660 going to bring them down okay put your money where your mouth is challenge this decision because

00:26:45.260 there's a lot to challenge here um can the governor general do this and on what basis let's have this

00:26:52.140 put out in court or is it similar to what happened in the uk and that they went too far they don't have

00:26:57.500 the ability to do this i think this is an incredibly legitimate challenge and the reason i said premiers and

00:27:05.100 federal opposition leaders should be doing this as opposed to like a couple canadians which is what

00:27:10.460 we already see today is like canadians have to come up with the money to do this this is a serious

00:27:16.220 public interest um issue that's causing economic problems on everybody provinces have trillions of

00:27:24.540 dollars in budget they could put a few few hundred grand towards this issue rather than making

00:27:31.100 some canadians scrape up the money to go do it like if they did this to the supreme court who would

00:27:39.820 hear it like what what level of court would hear it right away so if if for example the government of

00:27:46.460 alberta were to issue uh like it would be a reference question it would have to go to the alberta court of

00:27:51.820 appeal first but what i'm saying and again this has never been never happened before i'm thinking a little bit outside the box if five

00:27:59.100 provinces did a reference question to their court of appeal and then the supreme court knows it's

00:28:06.780 going to have to deal with this at one point and the other so rather than having five different appeals

00:28:12.220 take their time with this just maybe everyone can come to some kind of agreement and say we want this

00:28:18.620 turd at the supreme court level because this is going to be an issue we might get different

00:28:23.100 precedences from different provinces and that's always a problem

00:28:26.140 um so i would think that there's some kind of political pressure and press like urgent requests

00:28:33.820 that could be made i'm thinking well there's the box there i mean yeah and so and the proroguing

00:28:40.380 like right now trudeau could have done it on his own like he didn't even need his party's approval to

00:28:45.980 do it like he can literally that he's the prime minister he was able to literally walk over to the governor

00:28:51.500 general and and say to rito hall and say i want you to prorogue so i guess yeah i like what you're

00:28:57.900 saying so there could be political pressure from i know the premiers are meeting with him next week so

00:29:02.460 there's going to be a there's an urgent meeting with all the premiers already next week i'm sure that's

00:29:07.260 going to be on the topic he still has his national caucus meeting tomorrow tomorrow um tomorrow morning

00:29:14.940 he has his national caucus meeting now it's by zoom call but i mean i i imagine like right now the the

00:29:21.020 the liberal front is all united everybody's like thanking trudeau but maybe tomorrow he might he

00:29:25.420 might get a near full tomorrow he might get a a a super angry caucus that'll say to him like you know

00:29:31.980 who knows but that said yeah you you the ball's already rolling right i mean if we like government's

00:29:39.340 already shut down well i guess no government hasn't shut down i mean it's it's in recess right if if he's

00:29:44.940 he's going to reverse this pro rogue he'd have to do it before the 20th of february

00:29:52.540 nah i think i think um house was supposed to be back in by january 24th or 27th

00:30:00.060 okay like i wanted to fly on that meeting tomorrow in caucus well i'd love to fly on the wall

00:30:06.060 that'd be wild uh because there was a lot of these members of parliament that came out with

00:30:10.940 uh with statements you know and of course the place to put out these statements wasn't through

00:30:15.340 the press or media it was on twitter uh you know all these you know even even the porch pirate george

00:30:20.860 chahal he he threw his statement out there uh house father like he was on the news uh you know

00:30:28.540 i haven't thought about that guy yeah now now to be to be honest for me very pragmatically i mean if he

00:30:34.140 had like just the pro roguing right now i don't care like i'm i'm actually okay with that because

00:30:39.820 it killed it it ended parliament and it ended the house of comments and it killed a bunch of

00:30:45.100 unpopular bills right so as far as i'm concerned like 293 62 all those bills are dead the only reason

00:30:50.940 i'm and and and uh he buys himself an extra month i still think he's going to face a non-confidence vote

00:30:56.860 so the the short-term pro roguing i really don't care makes his party look bad the only part that worries

00:31:02.780 me about the short-term proroguing is the fact that trump takes power on the 20th right and i

00:31:08.140 kind of find that we're um we're going to be a little bit vulnerable without a properly without a

00:31:16.220 without a parliament that's meeting without a functioning government effectively well because

00:31:21.020 what government the the machine of the government i guess is still functioning but

00:31:25.420 part of me worries but then also part of me says what does our government do anyways

00:31:29.740 well but that's a good question because what if trump does you know his inauguration is the 20th

00:31:35.420 right so what happens if on the 21st you know we get a we get a letter in the mail so to speak of

00:31:41.020 here's your 25 tariff that i promised you like what's the reaction then trudeau uh issues some sort

00:31:48.460 of executive order uh a counter tariff or something like that without going through the house of commons

00:31:53.660 so yeah isn't that something you know we're we're we're dependent on trudeau to to to handle trump

00:31:59.660 entirely on his own well i guess with the advice of his cabinet who's still meeting i mean there's

00:32:03.980 still the the privy council and he still has his cabinet meeting but whatever he does he's doing

00:32:10.620 they're doing on our behalf without any debate in the house of commons and see they can come back and

00:32:15.420 they can actually do stuff so you know the house has been shut down since what september for no new

00:32:20.700 business because of the investigation like the the liberal speaker uh greg what's his face um

00:32:28.940 he he basically shut down all new business for government so i mean there's a second layer of

00:32:34.460 incompetence like like really nothing's been happening uh in in the house of commons because

00:32:40.220 it's basically been shut down to no new business because these guys won't turn over documents on 600

00:32:44.300 million dollars worth of losses uh or or you know uh grab ass programs by the liberals

00:32:50.540 under this green scandal right so i mean there's a lot to that too but at the same time um jagmeet agreed

00:32:59.820 to stop the gerrymandering and for the one day so they could put through the gst holiday

00:33:08.620 so they you know they're they're even bypassing this no new business deal so are they able to i mean

00:33:16.060 you know jagmeet like change the wind direction is how that guy changes his mind uh he's always been

00:33:22.460 supportive of trudeau if they decide to come back on let's call it the 21st and jagmeet throws in with

00:33:29.740 him instead of uh you know kind of keeping up with his promise to uh shoot for non-confidence like they can

00:33:37.260 still do stuff if um possibly i got like this i think this is why humans are really confused because

00:33:47.260 there's like it's unprecedented yeah i think the difference now is that uh liberal mps have been

00:33:53.100 speaking up and saying they're not supporting him and i think the last draw was um the quebec liberal

00:34:00.220 caucus so when they said that they're no longer supporting him i think that was basically it so

00:34:07.340 whether even if like that's the thing that really again stood out with his press conference to me is

00:34:13.580 how much he talked about the lib him having to fight his own party what does a normal leader do

00:34:20.620 in that case they step aside they resign but i like i i don't i blame the people that allowed him to

00:34:29.260 stay in that position for so long because they should have seen this coming a long time ago and

00:34:35.020 they let this go on you know they were part of the problem and now they're confused as why he's not

00:34:40.060 leaving he he hasn't reflected and so i think when he comes back and this is the one thing i was going to

00:34:46.060 jump in when you were talking marty imagine if they came to parliament january 24th and the first

00:34:52.300 non-confidence vote they had what would happen i actually think some liberal mps would vote against

00:34:58.220 him finally but this like i said should have happened years ago and he that's what i think

00:35:02.940 he's just avoiding i literally think that's all trudeau is avoiding right now to have the embarrassment

00:35:08.780 you mean the embarrassment of his party turning against him well yes in public yeah because that

00:35:13.980 won't happen obviously well freeland freeland was the first domino to fall then i think that because

00:35:19.100 because i mean how many times have we heard in the last you know three four months of like

00:35:22.860 oh rumors around ottawa suggest that trudeau might announce his resigning you know and then freeland

00:35:29.420 very spectacularly right before christmas you know gives her walking papers and then all of a sudden

00:35:34.540 a couple weeks later we get this right yeah but there was there was 22 or 23 or 27 or some somewhere

00:35:39.980 around 30 somewhere between 20 and 30 uh liberal mps that had signed a document asking him to step aside

00:35:47.100 already so that happened before freeland but they never voted against him yet there were confidence

00:35:54.140 votes in december and november there was even like during the convoy there were people that's a couple

00:35:59.500 that spoke out did they what how did they vote they voted for the emergencies act it's a lot of talk but

00:36:06.060 not a lot of action so i think this time they said we're voting against you in the non-confidence and

00:36:11.900 that's what made him stop because these letters it's these letters are silly i i said this a long

00:36:18.140 time ago i don't care if 20 people write a letter vote against him like that's all you need to do i

00:36:24.460 don't care how many letters you sign and how many zoom calls you have the most important thing is voting

00:36:30.220 against him once that's it it's the only it's the only tool they have right eva i mean i read their

00:36:35.420 constitution they do not have a they don't have any other way of of uh changing their leader like

00:36:41.980 the liberal party the leader has to voluntarily step down or lose an election if the leader loses

00:36:49.020 that that's in their constitution if he loses an election then he's then there's an automatic um

00:36:54.140 leadership review but but if he keeps winning elections there's no review process and so yeah and

00:37:01.420 and all the pressure in the world doesn't seem to i i'm actually surprised he did do what he did

00:37:06.940 yesterday because somebody somebody got to him i i don't like you know his crocodile tears like i i sat

00:37:13.580 down with my family at dinner and i reflected no you didn't you're a narcissist man you did you're like

00:37:18.860 and look at his speech i mean he blamed you i agree with you he blamed everybody he's still blaming

00:37:25.020 he's blaming everybody for for not sharing his vision it's crazy yeah like yeah so so let's let's

00:37:32.460 shift away from the prorogation for a while i guess and let's talk about so now now they the um the

00:37:40.140 liberal party announced yesterday shortly after they did the the president of the liberal party put out a

00:37:46.620 a statement saying uh in the coming days i will uh trigger the uh leadership review process so that

00:37:53.660 hasn't even started formally yet so um he you know they have to they have to do that now i read the

00:38:00.220 way i read it when he when when they the leader of the liberal party sorry the president of the

00:38:07.260 liberal party has to now set up a quick little um leadership review committee and then they'll launch

00:38:14.140 the leadership review and once they launch it they got to give every candidate 27 days to to get their

00:38:22.700 ducks in a row no no 27 days oh yeah to register as the candidate and then by their rules they need

00:38:31.020 a 90-day campaign period so they're not going to get it well they won't it well let's say they do

00:38:38.620 right so that's 27 plus 90 what is that that's 117 days that puts us into april so if they stick to

00:38:44.620 their current uh agenda or constitution they won't have a new leader by the time parliament resumes so

00:38:54.220 everybody says well they'll they'll they'll change their rules okay then then they're going to need

00:38:58.940 an agm to change the rules so i i think they got a they got a nasty problem on their hands well because

00:39:05.420 it's not just that it's um once they get a new leader in place they do have to go to a snap election

00:39:11.740 and again i think that period is three weeks it's like 20 days who has to go to a snap election

00:39:20.620 well because as soon as they come back in march 24th they come back in non-confidence vote is thrown

00:39:28.780 forward which means the governor general then basically has to dissolve parliament

00:39:34.380 and then it goes to a snap election that snap election happens in like three weeks sure sure so

00:39:41.820 so yeah yeah so let's say the let's say the liberals are lucky enough and they they cheat their own rules

00:39:47.500 and they elect a new leader uh in three weeks from now uh and and they give them a bit of time before

00:39:53.740 parliament resumes that poor new leader is going to get slapped with uh not well maybe not i mean what i

00:40:00.860 i think one of the things they're hoping for is that they're gonna hope that um that they'll

00:40:05.260 convince canadians that hey look we got a new leader and we're taking a new path and we listen

00:40:09.500 to you and uh give us a chance to continue to rule as the liberals let us give this new leader a chance

00:40:15.740 to show us what we can do and and me personally i mean i you know if i was pierre and any other party

00:40:21.900 i don't give a shit if the liberals they like the new leader in time and and the parliament resumes on april

00:40:26.860 first keep your foot on his throat or her throat and yeah it's going to be her i'm pretty sure it's

00:40:31.820 going to be her the liberal party has never had a female leader so i think it's going to melanie jolie

00:40:38.380 that's your music that would be so great well i'm never saying a man because she checks more boxes

00:40:45.420 um but okay so let's say they get this new leader in place and then jag says you know what i'm okay with

00:40:51.580 the new leader continuing on the same trudeau mandate he sticks to his uh you know he he goes

00:40:59.260 against his own non-confidence because again like he's the weakest in parliament so they can actually

00:41:04.380 push this thing out into an october 20th election which happens to be the same day as municipal

00:41:09.500 elections in what edmonton and calgary it was the municipal election in edmonton on october 20th

00:41:16.140 they would be all um across alberta so whatever that date is in calgary it would be so it's october

00:41:21.260 20th so yeah it would be the exact same day unless they can force through this new bill

00:41:25.980 to uh delay it for an extra week so that's the thing qualifies for his pension on the

00:41:32.460 sorry proroguing is we have yeah yeah no i totally get it i i i i see what they tried to do yeah um i i

00:41:40.140 actually think that if i was a liberal strategist i think this but they couldn't convince trudeau to

00:41:45.660 do this but i think what they should have done is trudeau should have literally come back yesterday and

00:41:50.300 said i'm stepping down i'm done and i'm staying on as an mp and i'm designated i don't know pick a pick

00:41:57.180 a person uh you know their own they should have picked their own rona ambrose you know their own um

00:42:04.460 sort of not somebody who's not totally ambitious some some back venture or minor and uh jenny who

00:42:13.340 jenny who's jenny is that the boohoo lady oh no no no not jennifer o'connell please no the guard the

00:42:21.340 garden no but but let's say let's you know i mean uh it could have been uh yeah it could have been

00:42:26.540 somebody like that you pick somebody like that and then you hope then you hope that everything goes well

00:42:32.540 you know you you haven't played too many games you go back on january 20th and then you hope that you

00:42:37.420 can that that uh i think jagmeet and the bloc might have been happy and could have said okay we're not

00:42:43.740 going to try and defeat you because you you you're you're showing some sort of good faith but i think

00:42:47.980 by doing what they've done they've just angered everybody so no matter who they elect now as a

00:42:52.540 leader when we go back to to parliament yeah they're the the liberals or sorry the conservatives the

00:42:57.980 ndp and the block are going to be ruthless well that's exactly the point sorry i just just an

00:43:05.020 an idea here um in the latest polling it shows that it's it's possible apparently that the liberals

00:43:11.820 could lose party status with how unpopular they are if they elect whoever like it it's it's entirely

00:43:18.460 likely that they're going to remain unpopular so if i was jagmeet singh i would i would come out as a

00:43:24.300 bulldog and i would say like you know the minute that i'm allowed to throw a non-confidence i'm

00:43:29.100 going to be the one to throw it and then try and try and you know ride some sort of momentum into

00:43:34.860 becoming at least uh you know close to official opposition i don't know if they could beat out

00:43:40.060 the block but if that is the case that they end up being you know maybe triple or quadruple the

00:43:44.860 amount of seats that the liberals have well then don't they have the um you know don't they have

00:43:50.540 that momentum behind them to say well hey look you know this this is a merger situation you guys

00:43:54.940 aren't going to be a viable party unless you merge with us and then he he holds all the cards see and

00:43:59.580 i brought this up this morning too because i was thinking about this jagmeet singh has been saying

00:44:03.580 i'm going to be the next prime minister of canada that's true no no but he sure has been saying that

00:44:08.780 yeah yeah so so if they merge parties and jagmeet runs as the uh leader of the liberal party because

00:44:17.980 that's the party in government so they'd have to effectively amalgamate ndp into liberal so it would

00:44:24.060 be the new liberal party but it would have to be liberal because they're the government no they can

00:44:29.100 they can because this is all party right so if they can but it's not gonna happen yeah i'm just

00:44:35.740 no but it's a long time but but think about it if they did do that and jagmeet ran as leader

00:44:44.380 he would actually or could potentially get more votes than any anybody that the liberals put forward

00:44:51.820 which would put him as the interim prime minister of canada sure it's it's a long shot i guess it's a

00:44:59.340 long shot but i i mean here's here's the other so stupid it just might work liberals have lost

00:45:04.860 yeah like the liberals i'm reluctant to even talk about it yeah the the liberals that i know like uh

00:45:11.100 i'm gonna pick up my sister my sister's a die-hard liberal right and she just can't stand trudeau right

00:45:15.580 now and so and i know my sister if true if trudeau had resigned yesterday and the liberals like i said

00:45:23.100 put in a temporary person and took it on the chin and said we're going to risk you know we're going

00:45:27.820 to risk losing uh this confidence vote that's fine but we're legitimately doing a proper search to get

00:45:33.820 a new leader i think somebody like my sister would come back to the liberal party so they've lost her right

00:45:39.340 now and that i i worry about that but i'm not worried this week because these shenanigans i think

00:45:43.980 are are really really bad for the liberal party so yeah just in response to what you were saying the

00:45:51.340 liberal party could should have done this what i think we're you're we're missing is they they haven't

00:45:58.140 been able to do anything it's been like trudeau's been a tyrant for canada trudeau has also been a

00:46:04.780 tyrant with the liberal party there was no telling him what to do um so there i don't think there was

00:46:11.180 ever a chance that he was gonna graciously step aside and then be the second in command or as if

00:46:20.780 not that guy he's the king of canada and so i i i don't think that that was ever a chance and so

00:46:28.860 i don't think he wanted that embarrassment i think that um the the best opportunity for the

00:46:35.260 liberal party is to have somebody new they're gonna see if canadians forget and really it's just up

00:46:40.380 to jagmeet still unfortunately in april and um one thing just um sheldon is i don't think it's

00:46:48.140 going to be that quick to get a non-confidence vote on the table um like it can't happen immediately

00:46:54.540 after march 24th first it has to be somebody from the opposition party to table it and they don't

00:47:01.340 get a date like right away so there's a little bit of time there which is why i think the pressure

00:47:07.260 should be on getting rid of this whole three-month break where the everything can kind of cool off and

00:47:13.260 figure it out yeah but at the same time and this was again before christmas um the liberal or sorry

00:47:21.980 the conservative cpc had the idea and michelle rempel actually did a pretty good write-up

00:47:27.500 um so if you're not following michelle rempel she she does a lot of good articles she put another one

00:47:32.380 out today really really great information uh good writer i'm not sure if she does that all by herself

00:47:36.860 or if it's just done under her handle but really good information but they had this loophole they were

00:47:41.660 going to try and uh express through committee yeah so they can launch it through committee yeah now it's

00:47:48.620 done but now it's done but yeah but on the 24th of march can this still happen

00:47:57.740 uh it'll be a new committee that'll restart but the committee will have so what the what they what

00:48:03.900 what happens is committees mean this was a special committee there's some there's some important

00:48:08.220 standing committees like the the the can't remember the name of this one but yeah it's the financial

00:48:14.300 committee so what they do is what they were going to do is they're going to say we've lost confidence in

00:48:18.460 the government right now because the accounting is so crappy and therefore at the when they finish

00:48:23.740 their report when the committee issues its report they were going to table a report now the committee

00:48:28.460 doesn't even need to table a report the committee's been torn up on march 24th a new committee will be

00:48:34.300 set up but that committee's report isn't due until a year from now so it's going to or a quarterly

00:48:40.060 so it'd be that whole tactic is is pretty moot i just want to come back to one thing that eva said

00:48:48.220 and you know i like you're right trudeau would not have gone willingly right so they literally they

00:48:54.940 literally somebody cornered him last week they got into a negotiation they're like okay what does it

00:48:59.180 take for you to go and i'm like oh my god like if you think about it this is what they came up with

00:49:04.860 it's garbage but that's what they literally came up with like how hard did he fight right like

00:49:09.820 behind the scenes they must have offered him something else i mean this is a barely uh barely

00:49:15.020 a glorious exit i mean what did he say i want to stand in the house of committee one more time and

00:49:19.180 say my goodbyes to everyone because he barely he doesn't even get to do that there's a comment right

00:49:25.260 now on the uh on the chat on x says uh jr hartley says trump probably tricked trudeau into quitting at

00:49:31.340 mar-a-lago by proroging parliament trudeau thinks he has dictator-like control while trump has a few

00:49:36.860 months to push punishing economics and squeeze canada into dissolving i don't know maybe trump did

00:49:42.620 have an influence on him or somebody else there was a number of factors that influence this um but on you

00:49:50.940 know

00:49:54.380 a couple of things here now we you talked about um official party status mike evan maybe you

00:50:01.180 can explain this to us as i understand it official party status they have to have a minimum of 20

00:50:06.140 seats is that correct i don't recall those details i know i think

00:50:12.620 green party less than that because the green party status but doesn't it have to do with like a a

00:50:18.620 percentage loss or something that what it is is how much voting you get in a general election so i think

00:50:25.020 you need like 13 percent but it's it's not even to be official like i think you get funding and all

00:50:31.660 that like elections canada thing so it like ppc is another official party that has no um no seats but

00:50:40.700 they just don't get money back or something it has to do with the campaign election things and i don't

00:50:46.140 recall all those details okay i really never considered ppc an official party they are is anybody well okay

00:50:54.460 they are now he was there from the beginning

00:51:00.220 almost yeah almost almost got a million votes i i i was uh what am i 1074 so not quite three digits but

00:51:07.820 yeah um i was i was b no i never uh i you know i talk to people about max all the time and uh you

00:51:18.060 know there's there are some staunch supporters but i mean i look at the ppc as like the the serious alt

00:51:23.260 right uh because a lot of stuff that comes out of the the ppc and i and don't get me wrong like i do

00:51:28.140 know a lot of great people that are uh supporters of the ppc but a lot of them are are just raving

00:51:34.060 lunatics right and i think that's a big part of the problem that the the ppc had actually has

00:51:41.900 just crazy so it's like there almost needs to be a second party uh um a conservative version of the

00:51:49.340 and uh of the liberal party like ndp is to liberal we need to have like a libertarian party that is to

00:51:54.940 conservatives so that we have kind of like these these balances like we we need to either go back

00:52:00.300 to two parties or we need to go to four parties and that's well we used to have the we've had the

00:52:05.420 reform party we've had we've had that i mean it's uh it's a the the um the left splinters and stays

00:52:14.140 splintered the right we splinter and then we regrouped and we splinter then we regroup and i

00:52:19.820 think we're about to do it in alberta again you know we had uh we had the conservatives and then

00:52:24.380 the reform and then we became the united conservatives and i have a feeling we're going to see another

00:52:29.260 anyways it's um yeah interesting times so uh yeah the liberals have got to launch a a leadership as it

00:52:36.940 stands right now i mean all i i've seen on the news a lot of people a lot of journalists a lot of

00:52:41.500 politicians a lot of people are calling for trudeau to reverse this decision you know they're they're

00:52:47.100 they're seeing it for what it is it's just it's just he actually that's one thing ever we were

00:52:52.620 when you went uh dark for a second there you know when when trudeau prorogued in uh 2022

00:52:59.020 he kind of had an excuse at that time right he said um you know coven was you're coming out sorry

00:53:05.740 dr spike sorry dr speaker spiker oh i forgot uh stop insulting the audience yeah yeah but so so trudeau

00:53:17.740 was we were coming out of covid and then trudeau even though trudeau was facing this big we scandal

00:53:23.420 and and he was facing a non-confidence vote quickly after just getting elected he he had a pretty valid

00:53:30.060 excuse which is i need to restart government because covet is we're coming out of covet and

00:53:35.260 the conditions are totally different i don't see like i we didn't hear that for the what's his

00:53:41.340 excuse for proroguing right now he couldn't come up with a good one right i mean i like yeah perhaps

00:53:47.020 he could have said i'm getting i got to get ready for trump well trump's not in yet so what what are

00:53:50.940 you getting ready for and like he basically a prorogues a reset but what's his justification for a reset

00:53:56.860 other than just buying himself time there's no you know yeah yeah actually marty speaking of that um

00:54:02.540 there was a question um posted in the comments here about trump uh eva i'm curious if you know um john

00:54:10.540 says uh can premiers negotiate directly with trump on matters of provincial jurisdiction of course why not

00:54:18.700 yeah so that's the thing like yeah a hundred percent um is and that's why you see daniel smith in the

00:54:25.100 united states talking to governors all the time because energy is a provincial matter and so she's

00:54:30.460 just taking matters into her own hands and i don't think premiers have been doing that enough and i

00:54:35.420 definitely applaud her on everything she's doing with energy it seems like that's really where she's

00:54:40.780 very strong and one thing i want to say about party politics and especially given that our friend is

00:54:46.060 running um uh in in the ppc party in hamilton and this goes to what i was saying earlier

00:54:53.740 if we didn't have such terrible and staunch stupid rules that mps have to abide by anything their

00:55:01.580 leader says even the he's a tyrant and turned crazy and you can't vote against him this is our problem

00:55:08.780 with party politics and whether it's two parties or four parties it doesn't matter if you're just going

00:55:14.860 to blindly follow the leader and i think in canada maybe in the in the united states this happens a

00:55:21.500 little bit more that you could be vocal against your leader you also have strong personalities

00:55:27.180 in the united states um for other government like um other senators not just the leader you know i

00:55:35.500 enjoyed peterson's podcast with polyvere but there were a few things that you know were were left

00:55:41.740 wanting one was when peterson asked him who is like your team around you like look at what trump

00:55:48.940 created around him and you went to sheer right yeah and and then the others he couldn't even

00:55:55.020 remember some of the names which was a bit of sound uh because there is you don't see them out there

00:56:00.860 it's all like whatever pierce says we're good with let's do this and that's also i think a huge

00:56:07.500 problem in canadian politics and i hope we start having these discussions that if somebody has a

00:56:13.660 did like an issue with a policy they should be welcome to say it not just privately within the

00:56:21.260 party but also publicly so that constituents can see okay my issue is being heard because i think

00:56:28.300 that's a lot of reasons why there's a lot of people going to other parties like the ppc they don't

00:56:34.300 like one thing that peer is saying and then nobody is speaking on their behalf and that's not helpful

00:56:40.140 in democracy that's not helpful for anyone and then it causes splintering so and if the some of

00:56:46.540 the liberal party could have voted against trudeau which they could have but they just didn't because

00:56:52.140 that's how things go in canada this could have been avoided a long time ago too things things didn't

00:56:59.340 always go that way right i mean these days these days every vote is a whipped vote like every vote is

00:57:06.620 whipped and treat it as if it's a non-confidence vote in the good old days good old days i mean

00:57:11.900 long before i was born but apparently in the 40s and 50s um mps were free to vote according to the

00:57:19.660 wishes of the constituents unless it was a whip vote or a confidence vote and they they limited that you

00:57:26.060 you know to very critical votes but for other day-to-day matters yeah um yeah no it's uh americans are

00:57:33.340 different right i mean americans we we americans yeah that's not the purpose of the show i mean

00:57:38.700 americans are different like they vote on things they they are more active in their democracy and

00:57:43.660 in fact americans right now you saw that documentary right uh bowling alone like americans are worried

00:57:49.100 that they're becoming less involved in their democratic process but they're still 10 times more involved

00:57:54.460 than us but their their level that makes them comfortable is when they're 25 times more involved than us

00:57:59.660 like you know they vote on everything they vote on judges uh sheriffs uh uh senate senate mayors like

00:58:09.740 that isn't voted on in the us so they don't get tired of voting it's just their lifestyle yeah and

00:58:15.260 then and just along the same lines um you know and again to bring up house father uh house father

00:58:21.020 you know when it came down to the whole you know because he's he's jewish um when it came down to

00:58:26.620 support by apparently by the liberal government that really didn't kind of meet with his ideals

00:58:32.060 like for for like 12 seconds it looked like house father was ready to kind of cave on on even being

00:58:37.500 a liberal looks like he was like ready to cross the floor and then boom he snaps back and you know of

00:58:43.420 course now he's uh you know he's back to the being one of the guys that's thrown uh trudeau under the bus

00:58:49.740 it's like buddy yeah you you have not once voted against trudeau because you haven't crossed the

00:58:55.100 floor on a single vote and that's what pisses me off and one of the reasons that i'm actually

00:58:59.900 wanting to get into politics on the municipal side of things is is because i see the same thing

00:59:05.020 you know we're we're forming uh municipal parties inside of the province of alberta uh edmonton and

00:59:09.820 calgary um and that's that's going to take some time to really work itself out i think you know we'd

00:59:16.700 we'd seen the initial kind of stages these things there's been a little bit of uh i don't know if

00:59:21.180 it's like fuckery or confusion forming a party is not an easy thing to do on a municipal side and

00:59:27.660 again because you're taking a lot of the same politically active people that are involved in

00:59:31.820 either provincial federal or provincial and federal plus municipal on side of a single candidate inside

00:59:38.060 of their writings uh or their wards um you know you introduce this party thing but but but a big part

00:59:45.580 of it is is is is trying to find somebody that's got the stones to actually stand up to their party

00:59:51.420 and say no i don't agree with this and i'm going to let you know and i'm not going to vote with you

00:59:57.180 and another good guy that's uh kind of out there right now uh you know he ran for the liberals liberals

01:00:02.540 kind of threw him under the bus just before the election so he he's actually now an independent mp

01:00:08.780 is that kevin and i don't know if i'm going to say his name right vuang i know who you're talking

01:00:14.540 about yeah yeah yeah yeah and i mean like he's out he's going scorched earth on the liberal saying

01:00:22.940 when you were talking about house father that would have been to me the i always liked house father i

01:00:27.820 always did actually and and uh i understand why i didn't cross the floor i mean i i don't like floor

01:00:32.460 crossers like you cross the floor you don't cross the floor you you do it after during the next

01:00:37.980 election change parties but house father would have been a good interim leader you know that's the

01:00:42.220 kind of guy that trudeau could have turned to and said he'll be the leader for the next five months

01:00:48.300 while we do our thing and uh yeah i mean crossing the floor on a vote vote so just yeah yeah okay

01:00:56.220 okay on the vote voting against the party yeah yeah yeah yeah which house father was the guy that

01:01:01.820 they entrusted with uh getting the um like the pfizer and moderna contracts right like he was the

01:01:07.820 he was the guy he was brutally honest under uh uh in committee he's the guy who literally let it out

01:01:13.420 you know that uh we didn't review the contracts we couldn't and he explains it like he yeah no he's

01:01:18.780 good okay no thanks for that clarification yeah not not not not crossing the floor but voting against

01:01:24.540 the party once in a while yes i agree i i wish there was more it happens it's just not publicized

01:01:30.460 right it happens but it's not public well i mean they're all public they'll either abstain from the

01:01:36.060 vote yeah or or they'll they'll vote party and and and i've gone through you know several bills

01:01:44.460 egregious bills where you know you can see where people visibly speak out against these policies

01:01:50.220 and then when you look at their voting record they're you know they're marked as i can't

01:01:55.260 remember what the term is but it's well i i can think of an extremely egregious example was uh earlier

01:02:00.540 this year when uh you know canceling the carbon tax on uh home on natural gas and any heating fuel

01:02:07.180 and randy boissano voted um for it right i'm like god like there's no way there's no way you represent

01:02:15.340 your writing when you vote that way like you you know you literally voted against everybody in

01:02:21.180 edmonton it's yeah where is he there's no like there's no have you seen him walking around is he

01:02:27.420 is he walking all sulking or where is randy these days no i'm sure he's very proud and very not humble

01:02:36.700 like trudeau and i think they're two peas in a pod they think that they are the best thing that ever

01:02:42.460 happened to canadian politics and we should be lucky to have that so what we're saying is he's

01:02:50.460 because we've allowed this to happen we need more people somebody said it i knew somebody would as

01:02:56.380 soon as you say randy now he'll forever have to deal with that which randy's coming to the party which

01:03:01.100 randy are we yeah but i think he's probably on some non-extradition uh island by now he's living in

01:03:08.780 the tropics uh you know making making the billions off of his cocaine deals what do you think uh trudeau

01:03:15.740 is going to do i was going to ask that exact question what does he do once the leaders announced

01:03:21.740 un un maybe wf i don't know he can't well in the short term he's going to resign as prime minister when

01:03:27.980 there's a new leader is he going to stay as an mp or is he going to resign quickly after that i don't

01:03:33.100 think so i can't there's no way he's gonna stay on i can't see him not being in charge that's the

01:03:38.700 thing i can't even see him being in canada yeah yeah that's why i say maybe the un or maybe some

01:03:45.020 some globalist uh institution of some type and i uh i did actually hear the position that he was lined

01:03:52.220 up for uh marty you were sitting at the table we had that conversation with uh mlas whose names will

01:03:59.100 not mention um and that was what february of last year when uh when somebody spoke out and said no

01:04:09.180 trudeau's already got his job and this is what it is but i can't remember for for the life of me it was

01:04:15.580 before the conversation uh what was the first conversation we had was on the alberta pension plan

01:04:22.460 so we both showed up to that thing we felt like so he's already got a position lined up ostensibly

01:04:30.220 yeah no he does like he's already got his job and i can't remember what it is i and i can't remember

01:04:35.100 who it's for i'd had a couple of beers and a bunch of popcorn so by the end of the night no i i i think

01:04:41.420 freeland has a job lined up somewhere i'm pretty sure uh i i haven't heard of trudeau getting lined up i

01:04:47.100 mean trudeau trudeau can sit at the head of the trudeau foundation and just collect a salary from

01:04:53.260 that i mean what he does like like i'm actually surprised he stayed this long as the prime minister

01:04:59.420 he never struck me as a guy who really wanted to be uh be involved in details he like he trudeau would

01:05:05.820 be great in a ceremonial role like the governor general that's the kind of role he was cut out from

01:05:11.100 and if and if he had been our governor general i wouldn't have given the because you know so what if

01:05:15.660 it's a ceremonial role but so i'm surprised he stayed this long because he that's all he likes

01:05:20.540 is he likes the traveling and feeling important and yeah and uh yeah i think he wanted a decade i

01:05:27.740 think i don't know i just i have the feeling like he wanted like what was the previous longest prime

01:05:33.020 well he said it in an interview just before christmas right like uh when he did that that cringy interview

01:05:38.620 with uh this hour is 22 minutes oh yeah and uh they mentioned um they mentioned his father's uh

01:05:45.500 pierre elia taking a walk in the snow and then trudeau said uh i'm i'm i'm younger than my father

01:05:51.980 was when he first got elected meaning you know my father got elected at age whatever 55 and went on

01:05:58.620 for 18 years so so he kind of hinted that he's trying to beat his father's record but he ain't gonna

01:06:03.500 beat his father's record with yeah his father came in with some experience yeah yeah actually

01:06:11.340 well i'm just i just had to fact check you here marty actually it turns out that uh fidel castro was

01:06:17.180 actually elected when he was 26 years old that would be if i could if there was a secret that i could

01:06:27.580 find out in the short term that's one secret i'd like to know i mean there's a lot of secrets i'd love

01:06:31.340 to know i'd love to know the the true story behind 9 11 and the pentagon and i have a whole bunch of

01:06:37.100 stories but i'd really like to know who trudeau's real father is i'd love to know that well there's

01:06:42.780 yeah of those two guys there's one guy that he doesn't look anything like we'll just we'll just

01:06:49.980 are you drinking an old-fashioned by the way or what are you drinking that looks like a nice straight

01:06:53.980 this is just straight bourbon my friend looks dark and nice yeah i like that i'm i'm doing the dry january

01:06:59.820 right now and i'm doing the oh yeah it's uh and i i was i was real about that that was the other

01:07:05.020 selfish reason i didn't want trudeau to quit and i i i was good yesterday he resigned but i didn't take

01:07:10.780 it as a resignation because i said if he resigns i'm drinking and uh so i'm i'm one of those stubborn

01:07:18.140 guys right now who says technically he hasn't resigned as far as i'm concerned i mean resign is like

01:07:23.820 you know you get your last paycheck you're at the door then i'll celebrate but until then i'm not

01:07:28.620 ready to celebrate yet i'm happy but not ready to celebrate does anybody remember in 2021 when he

01:07:34.620 called that election and after that election he said no we'll still have a 2023 election

01:07:39.900 because the other one was a snap election so he said no we're still going to have a 2023 election

01:07:44.780 when it was supposed to happen and then nobody talked about that again

01:07:49.740 i don't remember that but that sounds like something he would say

01:07:52.620 yeah and then not and then not do yeah he said you know he was just yeah he was looking at the polls

01:07:59.020 all the time that was the thing and so he knew we there was no way he was gonna call an election again

01:08:05.740 after his shenanigans his shenanigans when did when did pierre get uh certified as the leader was it

01:08:13.660 was it at 23 it was 22 it was 22 yeah yeah because the election was in 2021 and um then o'toole was

01:08:24.940 punted so they had to do a uh a leadership race um and that's when i think it was september of 2022

01:08:34.540 when uh polyav took over the party and it was candace bergen that was the interim party leader and i

01:08:40.940 actually thought she showed a lot of moxie she was pretty good yeah i remember i remember her being

01:08:45.980 pretty uh i remember rona ambrose i i really enjoyed rona's stint as uh interim leader um yeah

01:08:55.020 but yeah good point marty too about liberal party even on an interim basis they haven't been able to um

01:09:01.580 you know and you they don't have to run and win an election you could just appoint somebody like those

01:09:07.500 two and they were both women on the conservative party yet it's always and this is the thing with

01:09:12.380 the right the conservatives they're terrible at ever defending their own like um you know history as to

01:09:21.100 see like they're just look at trudeau's history with feminism and you know he's not and look at the

01:09:29.020 conservative party and they're a lot more complimentary to women and women leaders than he is but

01:09:36.700 they're not good at calling it out i don't understand why yeah yeah i looked at the i

01:09:42.460 looked at the popular list that's being bounced around you know there's seven or eight names that

01:09:46.700 are being bounced around as potential leadership candidates and none of them are electable right

01:09:52.540 now like they're all um you know even even melanie and what do you know i mean of the ones that we

01:09:59.420 know are current like anand jolie all of them none of them are trending in their writings anand's in

01:10:05.340 mississauga and and she she's she's she's she wouldn't get elected jolie might but uh the block

01:10:12.220 is making such a strong move on her and then dominique leblanc like none of the front leaders

01:10:17.260 front runners sorry are are electable and the and the party will have to think about that and what do we

01:10:24.060 think about carney what's that what do we think about carney oh he's like i i made i posted a tweet

01:10:31.820 today saying you know if you think if you think trudeau is being controlled by the we the wef well

01:10:37.420 guess what carney is the wef so yeah um and here was here was an interesting conversation that came up

01:10:44.620 um that was a question somebody said and and i know like you know what we're going through in alberta right

01:10:50.460 now in order for nenshi to actually sit in uh legislature he's he's actually got to you know

01:10:57.980 run in a he's actually got to be an mla yeah right the interesting thing about being the prime minister

01:11:04.540 of canada is you there's no legal justification or no legal um binding agreement stating that you have

01:11:11.340 to be an mp in order to be the prime minister that's where carney can actually skate in

01:11:16.700 uh sure but it's by he could be the leader but not the prime he could be the leader of the liberals

01:11:24.940 but not the prime minister of canada no that's that's that's actually not true i i did look that

01:11:29.260 up no way yeah he can't danielle smith was the premier of alberta without being without holding a seat

01:11:38.060 because the governor general what's that like when danielle won her leadership in uh 2022 uh um she

01:11:47.980 became the leader of the conservative party kenny had resigned and and and danielle didn't have a seat

01:11:54.780 danielle went to the lieutenant governor and the lieutenant governor appointed her as premier and so

01:12:00.140 sheldon's right like uh the fact that the governor general could appoint somebody but that it's like

01:12:06.380 the reason the lieutenant governor did it here is because then the because the election was a week

01:12:11.020 later so he's like okay you know i'm gonna or she at the time i'm gonna fill a gap but we we have all

01:12:17.420 these weird rules like that i mean same with the minister you uh we can appoint ministers who are not

01:12:22.860 elected and it's been done many times but um like you know we but you're right sheldon it could be done

01:12:31.100 but boy the outrage if uh yeah if they appoint a uh an unelected mp and and and designate him as the

01:12:40.460 premier i don't think or the prime minister it's one thing for the premier it'd be a whole other

01:12:44.380 thing for the prime minister yeah grok for what it's worth grok says that that's that's true the

01:12:50.620 the leader of the party in power in canada can indeed become the prime minister without currently

01:12:54.700 holding a seat in the house of commons although there are practical and political considerations

01:12:59.020 that typically push for a swift resolution to that situation yeah yeah i got it

01:13:05.340 actually what a snap election would again because as soon as this uh you know as soon as the liberals

01:13:12.700 have a new leader that's when theoretically um trudeau steps down from being prime minister

01:13:19.660 which means leader of the party becomes the de facto interim prime minister now if that happened

01:13:27.740 this is my theory if let's say the liberals elect mark carney as their new leader so then they would

01:13:33.500 say he's our new leader then they would still have no choice i think they would then mark carney would

01:13:38.300 say i'm appointing an interim i'm i'm letting uh so and so be the the the interim minister because

01:13:46.700 boy well that's my theory i mean yeah you know they're the liberals they can do whatever the hell

01:13:51.980 they want but that would be wild like you know mark carney gets elected or gets selected as the leader

01:13:57.900 and then tries to come back to the house of commons on march 27th says hey guys look at me i'm the i'm

01:14:04.620 the prime minister man the citizenry of this country would have he would he would though but at the same

01:14:09.820 time if we look at what happened in british columbia with uh david ebbe he wasn't elected for his first run

01:14:17.340 he was just dropped into place but he was an interim leader appointed by the party too and he was an mla

01:14:24.540 yeah he was an mla so as long as you're in like if if uh you know if if if um if the liberal party

01:14:31.980 appoints christia freeland as their new leader and in six weeks from now and then she shows up on the

01:14:39.180 27th of march and they say hey look at me i'm the new prime minister then i i could accept that i could

01:14:44.860 accept that because that's the procedure they the the the mps choose the prime among them so uh but

01:14:53.660 if the mp said we're choosing mark carney as our leader he could be that'd be the weirdest thing in

01:15:01.900 the world because then we'd have a prime minister who's not allowed to sit in the house of commons

01:15:05.180 because that's a clear fact you can you can hold all sorts of positions but the clear fact is it's

01:15:09.820 called the house of commons and you have to be elected to be in the house of commons so

01:15:14.140 yeah but but but at the same time because the house only has to sit legally once per year

01:15:21.820 as soon as they go back on the 24th they've legally sat for once per year

01:15:25.900 he doesn't ever have to go into the house of commons

01:15:30.220 okay but he can't vote we could have these things but this is where like you know people are are getting

01:15:36.940 mad about the senate being liberal leaning but the senate isn't elected so if there were a usually

01:15:43.580 the senate follows whatever the house of commons decides on because they know that they're really

01:15:49.820 the more legitimate part representative of the people you're not going to see all of a sudden

01:15:56.780 because the senate is more liberal leaning they're going to just stop everything that the conservatives are

01:16:01.900 putting forward if that were to happen then the first thing the conservative government should be

01:16:06.620 doing and the canadian people should be doing is saying we need to abolish the senate because they're

01:16:11.420 not listening to the will of the people if all of a sudden the will of the people was completely

01:16:17.340 disregarded like you're suggesting with the prime minister like good let's go that far so that canadians

01:16:25.580 start to rise up and say that this isn't right this is our representatives in our country so like sure

01:16:32.300 these things can happen but that's not how democracy is supposed to function and in fact they would get

01:16:40.060 called out for it question here for you um polyev keeps saying we want to have a carbon tax election

01:16:48.060 carbon tax election carbon tax election i mean that's that's their number one thing so that's basically

01:16:54.460 what they're running on um so when to uh get rid of the carbon tax that has to pass through senate or

01:17:04.140 can polyev do that without senate oh no everything still has to pass through senate that's so that's

01:17:10.700 the reason that's the actual reason that he's calling for a carbon tax election because he can say

01:17:16.460 definitively this is the will of the people and he'd stated yeah also definitively this is a carbon

01:17:22.700 tax election so if he says this is a carbon tax election they punt it over to senate and senate says

01:17:29.260 nah we're not going to pass this he has now caused to dissolve senate or uh for recourse is is that no

01:17:37.820 no no no no no the senate is uh the senate is a house of so somber second thought who can theoretically

01:17:45.820 say no which and they do say no they don't they rarely say no after third reading but they definitely

01:17:52.220 say no after first and second reading they reconsider i bet you if we look through the history the senate

01:17:57.980 has said no on some really controversial pieces of legislature they were about to say no on uh on

01:18:06.860 on the emergencies act so the senate and and and so the senate if the senate if if polyev gets elected

01:18:13.980 tries to cancel the carbon tax and somehow or other the the the predominantly liberal senate said no

01:18:22.140 he can't dissolve the senate that's our process the it's it's a shitty process but that's our process

01:18:27.740 but again this is the will of the people well i think i think the point that's like the greater

01:18:32.060 point that's how it works right now that's how it works it can work in my favor and against me i mean

01:18:36.940 you think it works against you because it's the will of the people but it has worked against the

01:18:40.700 will of the people in the past that's the purpose oh absolutely yeah but can you like to that point

01:18:45.500 though can you you know say that polyev like definitively showed that uh the senate is is

01:18:52.860 actively working at odds to the will of the people can you then further that conversation of

01:18:58.540 do we have much of a purpose for the senate anymore in 2025 oh absolutely i mean yes if they're stopping and

01:19:04.940 that's what i mean yeah and what i was just going to say sheldon is it's not just on the carbon tax

01:19:10.540 issue if peer polyvirus party is elected with like 96 or whatever it's at right now it does it's not just

01:19:17.980 the carbon tax issue anything they bring forward like they have such a strong majority that for the

01:19:24.060 senate to say hold up um is just going to be incredibly difficult and like i just can't see them saying

01:19:32.940 doing it and that's so i just heard i just wanted to put that out there because i have heard people

01:19:37.900 saying oh the senate is stacked now and now the conservatives won't get anything through and i just

01:19:44.860 can't like out of all the problems we have in canada i just don't think that's an issue that we really

01:19:50.540 should be um worrying about there's so many other things but that's a great way and and i yeah and if

01:19:57.980 you listen to the proceedings of the senate i actually give them a lot of credit i do find that

01:20:03.180 a lot of senators take their job very seriously i mean um for instance bill 293 i'm like i hate

01:20:09.980 that bill and the senate is the one that was actually thank god the senate blocked that one

01:20:15.180 because that one would have been shut down our throat a long time ago so the the senate a lot of

01:20:19.980 senators take their job seriously more seriously than than a lot of mps i'll say that okay so one of

01:20:26.140 the things that senate did allow through was climate racism uh released by elizabeth may so i mean come

01:20:33.740 on now uh climate racism um so i don't know anything about that how did elizabeth may get a bill through

01:20:45.340 yeah members whatever um but that's what she introduced and and i think it actually made it

01:20:51.580 through senate made it through through parliament so it's this this climate racism you guys don't

01:20:56.860 remember climate racism it was like yeah that it that it disproportionately affects you know women of

01:21:01.900 color or whatever yeah this the stupidest on the planet right uh brought by the most egregious i mean

01:21:10.460 like you know not only was an alcoholic but elizabeth may could drink her under the table

01:21:16.140 yeah no the senate's interesting i mean it you know just coincidentally somebody this morning a

01:21:22.780 big one of the big accounts on twitter was trying to make a big deal out of the fact that you know

01:21:27.580 oh the liberals knew what they were going to do in december because they passed bill 71 and then

01:21:32.140 they showed bill c71 that went through first second and third reading in one day and then got royal

01:21:37.500 assent i'm like yeah but bill 71 did bill 70 a quarter uh three months ago did so did bill 69 six months

01:21:45.180 ago they're they're routine there are routine bills bill 71 is just the the the quarterly

01:21:51.820 allocation of funds to the government so it can continue to function so there's bills like that

01:21:56.540 where both sides just go yeah yeah whatever done done done and then you know the the there's a lot of

01:22:01.500 there's a lot of really routine boring mechanics to to the senate to the house of commons to the

01:22:07.420 legislature in uh in edmonton i mean and and for the most part a lot of it just works very nicely we

01:22:13.660 hear about we hear about you know the citizens hear about bills whatever 63 the unpopular ones but

01:22:20.220 man there's there's bills that go through the senate in well look at what happened in alberta

01:22:27.740 we changed we changed the fundamental document that's a cornerstone of our democracy we tried we

01:22:33.420 changed our bill of rights in like under three weeks wish we had a senate for that one and we're

01:22:39.740 still not abiding by it um you know i'd gotten something back and this is on the whole fluoride

01:22:45.100 conversation inside of calgary because they're about to uh you know unleash that dragon into our

01:22:51.420 municipal water so the original uh cost for uh the fluoride plant was 10 million dollars and then what

01:22:59.340 they realized is that fluoride i guess choose away at concrete so they ended up having to go with

01:23:04.780 alternative materials and instead of costing 10 million this new building cost us an additional

01:23:11.100 18 million so this thing ballooned from 10 million to 28 million dollars um now we have this uh ruling

01:23:19.100 that came out of california florida or california uh supreme court one of the court rulings basically

01:23:25.740 saying that no fluoride is not safe at any level for consumption from there you know we'd seen uh places

01:23:33.260 like texas and even uh quebec that are finishing removing their fluoride from their water systems

01:23:41.020 quebec i believe is like 93 percent fluoride free so fluoride inside of canada is considered

01:23:50.380 part of the health act which means um it's it's a prescribable drug and you can't under the new

01:23:59.420 alberta legislature you can't force people into medical treatments that was a part of the new bill

01:24:05.980 of rights however when this is tossed over to the premier's office you get a note back from rick

01:24:13.100 mciver that says well you know what we leave that in the hands of the municipalities and we don't have

01:24:18.540 anything to do with it so that whole bill of rights thing unless it's actually challenged by people of

01:24:27.580 calgary or by people of edmonton saying uh we don't consent to fluoride in our water we're not a

01:24:33.180 danger to other people by not having shiny teeth that you believe that fluoride can actually uh produce

01:24:40.620 and until it's challenged it stays inside of the water system and and calgary is rolling ahead with

01:24:45.260 their plans so how solid is the bill of rights inside of alberta they came up with in three weeks

01:24:50.780 wipe your ass are you busy right now it's like any other any any law in the land has to be challenged

01:24:57.660 at some point i mean the the the regulators even even when they try to do a really really good job

01:25:02.620 and try to nail the the law or the bill it still has to be challenged and and sometimes the challenges

01:25:08.700 can take a long time i mean um so yeah it's it's the the alberta's new bill of rights gonna have to be

01:25:16.140 challenged by examples like you just cited i mean somebody's gonna have to to say you know yeah i was

01:25:22.940 gonna try and get uh leighton gray and uh maybe even like john carpe uh you know a couple of the

01:25:27.980 constitutional lawyers and get like dr bob um on onto a live stream would you see if there's anything

01:25:35.180 that we could actually do with this because there's a really good question in the chat right

01:25:39.660 now about um maybe you guys know why isn't the governor general exercising their reserve powers

01:25:46.060 which can be used if a prime minister loses the confidence of parliament and resigns instead of

01:25:51.020 advising a dissolution of parliament it's a good question because he didn't lose the confidence of

01:25:56.220 the parliament we never got there yeah it's no it's no he hasn't lost enough vote and one of the

01:26:03.500 things that he decided or cited from i think it was 2020 or 2021 is that the conservatives under harper

01:26:14.060 actually went through non-confidence votes they passed the votes prorogued and then when they

01:26:21.260 prorogued when they came back went through another non-confidence vote and and still passed the vote and

01:26:25.980 kind of went on with with parliamentary support so that was the whole thing because every non-confidence

01:26:32.860 vote that's come up uh jagmeet has and the ndp have supported trudeau on they haven't actually lost

01:26:41.580 the confidence there's been no vote there's been a lot of talk about it there's been a lot of

01:26:45.980 vocalization there's people sending letters however that's not official information like yeah uh again

01:26:54.700 it's one of those things that it's a balance of traditional and true constitutional powers if if if if

01:27:02.220 there was constant writing if if the if there was writing for weeks on end and the government

01:27:07.740 enacted the emergency measures act and everybody was still you know fighting the government the

01:27:12.860 government tooth and nail then the governor general could say hey whoa okay you know you guys have you

01:27:18.700 guys have lost the confidence of the people but yeah otherwise the you know the governor general is

01:27:24.060 going to not that's not something though he she will take lightly um yeah yeah and then this challenge um

01:27:31.740 that is going ahead and this is how it was won in the uk is it was based on the advice of the prime

01:27:38.220 minister of canada so the elected head of government um so the challenges that he gave faulty advice to the

01:27:48.300 governor general because she didn't make this decision on her own free will or like by sticking

01:27:54.060 her finger and seeing where the canadian wind will will of the people is she did it on the advice of

01:28:00.620 the head of the country and so that's where the issue is and what did he tell her for the reasons for it

01:28:07.980 so that's just one thing i was going to add about the governor general because she's just taking advice

01:28:12.460 she's just a symbolic role she's not really making any decisions on her own but going back sheldon just

01:28:18.940 to what you were saying about because that stuck with me you said rick mciver who's the minister of

01:28:24.940 municipalities yeah go back to the municipalities they can do what they want ask him under what public

01:28:32.380 health authority any municipality is making that decision municipalities have no public health departments

01:28:40.380 they don't have advisors they don't have a department and they should not we already have

01:28:46.620 enough bureaucrats in canada and alberta government has a public health department and any public health

01:28:53.980 issue and policy should be coming from the government of alberta not from some rogue municipality that has

01:29:02.300 absolutely no information on that or that department so i i don't think this is a constitutional issue

01:29:09.260 or a legal issue i think that it's a political issue and i think canadians need to start pushing back

01:29:15.820 they often look to lawyers to fix these things and i don't think that's where most of the effort

01:29:21.420 should go because it's long it's expensive and politically canadians can if they just get organized

01:29:29.340 and activated like if everybody in calgary started asking him macgyver why on earth do we have

01:29:35.740 fluoride here and not in quebec what is he going to answer well calgary has more information or better

01:29:42.060 information no they have nothing they if you ask calgary based on what information they're doing

01:29:47.980 this i bet you they have nothing too well they actually came up with two studies and that's what

01:29:53.100 they introduced inside of the plebiscite uh these two studies went into uh two additional studies um and

01:30:00.860 they're they're all by the uh i can't remember the name there's it's like this one board that does all

01:30:07.820 the dental studies but it's but the studies were public no but no it's no it's not um but it's it's

01:30:15.180 one of the you know one of the medical science things anyways as you go through the information you

01:30:20.460 know the um the different studies these people have conducted i'd found one interesting report on

01:30:26.860 supplementation of of fluoride so you can actually buy fluoride supplements which i didn't know you

01:30:34.300 can buy chewing gum there's drops um there's like four or five different ways that you can actually

01:30:40.540 supplement um fluoride anyways the if when you read through this what it basically says is is we

01:30:50.220 couldn't come up with any conclusive or any strong conclusions that fluoride supplementation

01:30:56.460 is of any benefit and they did this for children from uh the age of zero to seven so you know they

01:31:03.180 say that by supplementing fluoride it makes your teeth stronger but in the zero to seven if they're

01:31:07.900 consuming it from birth to seven years old or if they're supplementing there is zero evidence that

01:31:14.380 supplementation actually does anything which means there is zero evidence that putting it inside of the

01:31:20.620 water actually does anything either yeah no i i mean you you're bringing up an interesting point

01:31:25.820 and and i kind of agree with eva on this one i mean um i'm actually intimate with this because i i i

01:31:33.980 own a share in our water co-op and so i don't i i live out in the country and we we have a water co-op and

01:31:39.660 i own a share in the water co-op so i'm involved in the water co-op we we we meet a water standard that's

01:31:46.540 set out by the province so the province says to the water co-op this is the standard this is the

01:31:52.380 sentiment that's allowed this is the chlorination that you're allowed this is the bacteria count

01:31:56.620 blah blah blah blah blah blah so to your point that if if the if the if the if the province of

01:32:03.100 alberta says you're allowed to put fluoride in the water and a municipality says we're we're complying

01:32:09.660 with that standard that's fine if there's a stat if there if there's if the province of alberta says

01:32:15.180 you're not allowed to put fluorine in the water and a city does then yes you have a recourse so my my

01:32:21.820 question then is um you got familiar yeah i might i what i was just going to add is if that's where it's

01:32:32.300 that if there's no nothing on it then you should be telling macgyver alberta needs to put in a

01:32:38.940 standard not some rogue municipality because they don't have the public health support not that i

01:32:46.540 necessarily trust these agencies but i would a little bit more where is the municipality getting

01:32:51.980 money from to do to even gather this data who is even gathering the data like they are they don't

01:32:59.100 have that expertise or that department you see that we're still going back and forth on these

01:33:03.900 issues right in 2025. well they found this but here's here's what i'm gonna do is i'm just gonna

01:33:07.980 read out because it's only like three short paragraphs the the response we got so um under

01:33:14.780 the municipal government act municipalities are charged with the responsibility to provide

01:33:19.820 good government services facilities and other things council deems necessary or desirable for

01:33:25.660 people inside of the municipality decisions regarding water fluoridation fall within the legislative

01:33:32.460 authority of the city of calgary while alberta health allows fluoridation for municipal drinking water

01:33:40.380 while alberta health allow allows it yeah it is ultimately up to the municipal councils to decide

01:33:47.660 whether fluoridated uh fluoridate drinking water for oral health municipalities must follow provincial

01:33:58.380 regulations on drinking water safety and quality and may choose to provide fluoridated drinking water

01:34:05.260 in accordance with the potable water regulations section 12 under the environmental protection and

01:34:11.980 enhancement act this matter falls within the responsibility of your municipal council you may

01:34:17.900 want to share your concerns directly with the city of calgary council information on communicating with

01:34:23.900 your council at is available at contact your challenges with alberta health and that allowance because

01:34:32.220 the prop the city is just saying they allow it we're doing it so if alberta health is saying they can do it

01:34:39.820 the problem we have is macgyver is looking at one issue because he's the munis the minister of

01:34:46.620 municipalities he's not the minister of health and so he doesn't know or anything about why or why it's

01:34:54.300 not so he's deferring as most of these people do to somebody else but yeah then your issue is with

01:35:01.020 there's no challenge well there you're there issue could also be with the municipality i mean you're

01:35:05.580 yes the law the alberta health allows it if your municipality took a unilateral decision to put

01:35:14.300 fluoride in the water uh without going to asking the people that's one argument but then they they'll

01:35:21.420 probably come back and say well we manage the city and we're allowed to make decisions on behalf of the

01:35:25.820 people so it's uh it's a nasty one but uh no no i'd say your argument there is they're allowed to make

01:35:32.620 decisions on your behalf but you don't have other choices which was which is problematic right i mean

01:35:37.820 and i actually like your thoughts on that though eva it's it our challenge is against alberta health

01:35:42.380 services yes if they say it's okay to put in and their allowance on this is blanket uh immunity much

01:35:49.900 the same as it was for the jabs in that you know they're working off of somebody else's information

01:35:55.020 and it's actually from health canada that this has passed public health health and and because if

01:36:01.340 you challenge the city they're gonna say we're doing this for public health and that's what

01:36:06.620 macgyver was saying or whatever they're allowed to do this they could do this and what is the city of

01:36:11.420 calgary gonna say well we're just following alberta health guidelines so your issue is with alberta

01:36:17.740 guys i just want to share a quick comment uh if you don't mind uh james as you know was in the

01:36:22.460 background watching this for clips um he just texted me and he said um it is because of mass

01:36:27.740 fluoridation that we have a canada dumb enough to vote for trudeau yeah well and somebody in the

01:36:33.980 question there says that the municipality did ask the public the public was against it and then the

01:36:38.460 municipality went against the will of the problem i mean that i i think that's probably you know

01:36:44.540 you're you're you're the you're more likely uh path is to deal with the municipality trying to get

01:36:51.500 the alberta health to change theirs that's going to be complicated just just put that

01:36:55.820 ton of pressure on the municipality because i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna be i'm gonna be thrown

01:37:02.620 uh back my comments towards rick and just say you know under the alberta bill of rights

01:37:07.660 this isn't allowed um it did pass the plebiscite uh 62 percent in favor of fluoridation for water so

01:37:14.220 in 2021 when we had our last municipal election that was that was actually one of the questions that

01:37:19.740 people were asked passed 62 percent um so it is the will of the people the problem with the will

01:37:25.740 of the people is the will of the people aren't allowed to legislate my health decisions if i'm

01:37:31.340 not harmful to myself or other people and i don't consent so without consent and the other side of

01:37:37.980 things is is um calgary city water feeds a number of other communities so there's like um airdrie i think

01:37:44.780 it might be chestermere so there's like there's more people that are involved in getting their

01:37:50.460 water through the municipality that weren't asked for their opinion so how can this pass if it feeds

01:37:57.980 more areas than just calgary alone so there's there's a couple more things that are inside

01:38:02.300 there like i did like a weekend worth of reading on this stuff like i was i was smoking darts i was

01:38:07.180 sitting in front of my computer yeah yeah i was hammering back shots fluoride yeah man it was it was

01:38:13.660 well and then i had uh you know and it was funny because um uh you know i booked a call with a doctor

01:38:21.580 out of australia who actually did like a rebuttal to uh the the calgary study um and i'd met him you

01:38:28.780 know a number of years ago and then uh and this happened i i ended up having a live stream with him

01:38:34.780 um a day after uh sean newman had uh done the same thing with dr bob who's actually inside of calgary

01:38:43.980 on the same conversation so once these two things kind of happen like simultaneously it was like man

01:38:48.700 i gotta dig deep deeper into this and that's where i found like brett wilson gave five grand towards

01:38:54.140 funding the the third party um pack for the lobby like brett wilson gave five you know the

01:39:02.380 going around in a weird rabbit hole yeah let's no let's let's talk about brett wilson because he's

01:39:09.660 still doing this we're gonna pay you off jagmeet's thing uh we'll give you your pension just give the

01:39:15.020 non-confidence vote and i said this from like day one we don't want people like brett wilson buying

01:39:21.900 off our politicians because that's a stupid idea even even coming out with a statement like that out in

01:39:27.660 public not saying that we don't all agree with it the left has more money the left can buy off

01:39:34.940 politicians with union funds we already know that the left can come up with way more money than brett

01:39:42.060 wilson uh will throw at a politician it's a stupid idea brett yeah i don't think he was taking it would

01:39:52.380 be illegal to do that anyways i don't think he was uh he was making a political statement and it's

01:39:58.860 not gonna matter anyway because when when alberta becomes part of the 51st state of america we'll

01:40:04.060 just get montana's fluoride regulation anyway and why would we become a first state and why wouldn't

01:40:10.460 we have our provinces as individual states and dissolve parliament and then just uh you know everybody

01:40:16.620 would be responsible to one president instead of you think he wants to deal with this fiasco of

01:40:22.220 10 different states trump doesn't want that they'll all vote democrat yeah only alberta

01:40:29.420 the majority of americans want us i mean like uh if if trump tried to uh when's the last what's the

01:40:38.380 last american state to join their union they have a process for joining the union right and uh there's no

01:40:45.020 way california or uh texas florida north dakota would allow us to join they they would look at canada

01:40:51.340 as uh you know as another or yeah we're not going to give uh uh 40 million people 14 um uh uh collegial

01:41:02.220 seats or whatever they call it and you know there'd be no no no no no well isn't it isn't puerto rico

01:41:08.700 like one of those that they're just not letting into the union of the united states yeah that's special

01:41:14.140 that's a territory like guam and others that's a whole different ballgame yeah yeah yeah i was

01:41:21.420 gonna just say about being the 51st state and trump's jabs at trudeau i am i don't have an opinion

01:41:29.900 about where it's gonna go right now but again i'm just so happy that there's a dialogue around this

01:41:35.900 because i wanted to i don't know if you guys remember my largest poll on twitter was ever was

01:41:42.540 would if you could leave canada right now would you and i had like over 70 000 people respond

01:41:48.540 and it was overwhelmingly yes but now you see how but in the comments so many people were like no i

01:41:55.660 still love canada i want to although even the poll said the opposite and now you have a lot of people

01:42:01.580 fighting again and saying no i like canada no we have to and i think it's just again important that we

01:42:08.220 have a little bit of civic pride and start you know fighting and demanding these things um of

01:42:15.180 our elected officials so i am just happy the conversation is happening again well and there's

01:42:20.860 ever there's there's i can't remember who said this but i remember reading this and it was like

01:42:25.260 about trump and it was really like it really stood out to me because i think it perfectly describes his

01:42:30.540 rhetoric where they were saying like basically he was this guy was comparing like people with you know

01:42:35.580 what they say tds like trump derangement syndrome to people who don't hate trump the people who hate

01:42:41.180 trump uh they they take him literally but they don't take him seriously and the people who like

01:42:47.900 trump or at least don't hate him they don't take him literally but they take him seriously so this is

01:42:54.220 probably one of those situations where he's probably not being literal about this he's probably just

01:42:59.500 this is this is some art of the deal that he's pulling well we'll have to watch the uh the body

01:43:05.180 i think he's serious about greenland trump and trudeau because trudeau's flying there tomorrow

01:43:09.420 right so trudeau and trump will have the opportunity to talk at the funeral tomorrow

01:43:14.860 or the day after he's flying there tomorrow with the funerals on friday or thursday why does why does

01:43:19.660 why does trump want greenland i like i never did like pick up on what what's going on in greenland i think

01:43:24.460 it has to do with the arctic circle probably probably the proximity to russia from from

01:43:29.100 both sides of alaska and and on the other side of canada maybe another the canal like the panama canal

01:43:36.700 and shipment in from up there that's massive too i also heard there's a guy that i follow on x who's

01:43:45.260 he's a really good like kind of libertarian voice uh alexandros uh marinos and he showed a map like

01:43:51.660 this world map basically divided up by like north america from you know greenland kind of extending

01:43:57.820 into parts of europe and kind of ending around like turkey and then coming back around and like

01:44:03.740 skipping brazil because like the you know the bricks thing that's going on and part of south america and

01:44:08.540 into like australia new zealand sort of area and that that sort of like that provides a really good

01:44:14.540 like angular a huge mat like land mass area as a bulwark to a potential bricks um

01:44:22.940 front you know what i mean like it's a he's probably trying to like by by assuming control

01:44:28.940 so to speak of the panama canal as the most like southern point uh in the in the americas and greenland

01:44:36.780 is the most northern point in the americas that's sort of like it's a i don't know it's like geopolitical

01:44:42.860 stuff that's like above my pay grade and and greenland literally gets its name from the fact

01:44:47.340 that it was once green everything's above my pay grade and so trump knows trump knows the truth man

01:44:53.660 the ice caps are melting and greenland is going to be like paradise so he wants it now he's going to

01:44:58.460 put a big resort there at a big golf course absolutely did you hear that's already the joke

01:45:07.260 you saw that right marta igloo you saw it yeah yeah uh wow i heard it was a good year it's going

01:45:15.260 to be an interesting year we got an interesting couple of months ahead of us for sure yeah yeah

01:45:22.060 so so what do we what do we think is going to happen if you don't think that like this um and

01:45:26.940 ever you'd mentioned this you don't think that an election can be called that quickly um from march

01:45:31.820 24th if we remain in parole i really think that we should continue applying pressure on our elected

01:45:39.660 officials provincially and federally to challenge that because i think that the supreme court can

01:45:47.340 hear it quicker rather than later i don't you know there's already a couple canadians challenging it

01:45:54.060 i i think it makes a lot more sense for provinces to be doing it because this

01:45:59.740 impacts um provinces as well i apart from like the um legal challenge you know i don't know why

01:46:09.820 a canadian has to do it just to challenge the legality of it but i think it's a great time to

01:46:15.260 apply that pressure now and then see where things go instead of giving them this time to coast and

01:46:20.860 figure it out and let and you'd also mentioned like five provinces and i don't know if that's a

01:46:25.500 number that you just kind of picked as random um because i mean you know we have alberta and

01:46:30.700 saskatchewan that are you know pretty much aligned mo and and premier smith um are pretty much aligned

01:46:36.460 but what other three provinces do you think would hop on that bandwagon well any of them like eb has

01:46:41.580 been talking about how trump this and that so like he should be he should be mad about trudeau just

01:46:48.460 disappearing in the middle of the act um you obviously uh doug ford but i just threw a number

01:46:55.020 in the air the thing is that even if the supreme court will listen to has to listen to challenges

01:47:02.060 where there's a difference um in provincial decisions so if one court of appeal says yeah

01:47:10.220 this is totally fine and another court of appeal says no this was this wasn't something that they

01:47:17.420 could do this is ultra virus then this is something the supreme court would have to do so rather than

01:47:22.460 waiting to see what provincial um court of appeals are going to decide if the province is bounded together

01:47:30.940 and said we need this to go straight to the supreme court again this has never happened before as

01:47:35.260 as far as i know but it certainly would be worth trying given the circumstances that we're i mean

01:47:41.500 i don't know any province other than us who's taking the government the court more often right now

01:47:46.220 i think alberta has about six challenges against ottawa so what's one more right yeah exactly but one of

01:47:52.300 those is um on part and it's because of the um oh what is it the the carbon tax there was a we're

01:48:03.340 challenging we're challenging the emission caps we're challenging the the uh this was because the

01:48:11.180 maritime provinces um didn't get or they're getting a reduction in their their carbon tax so they're not

01:48:17.660 getting the additional carbon tax and then premier smith is bringing out a case forward stating that

01:48:23.820 you can't treat um individual provinces differently so that's i believe our challenge on the home heating

01:48:31.740 for the carbon tax yeah that's one challenge if the government can't pass a law that's uh that's

01:48:37.900 favorite discriminatory yeah yeah am i still there yeah yeah you're still there i'm blacked out on my

01:48:46.700 side sorry oh this is you right now i think that's good i'm not really sure what you were doing this now

01:48:58.860 now let's say that you know um and me me and you marty we look at the exact same thing we look at the

01:49:05.340 polling every sunday right so sunday at like two o'clock the new polling comes out and it kind of

01:49:09.980 shows the the charts of um you know where uh conservatives have picked up where liberals have

01:49:16.140 lost so we we look at that kind of religiously with trudeau stepping down do you think that

01:49:21.100 there's going to be any sort of change in in sentiment on on some of these areas or are they too far

01:49:27.340 gone like who's able to salvage seats at this point and from from the liberals or is it

01:49:32.700 when i look at those charts right now statistically it just looks like a plane that's about to hit the

01:49:37.420 side of the mountain i mean like you the the pilot the co-pilot is going like pull up pull up and the

01:49:43.660 pilot's like i'm done man this thing's the co-pilot it's already out of the cockpit yeah he's gone like

01:49:48.860 it's like if they can if they can turn this one around it'll be um i mean like really like think about

01:49:56.620 what's going to happen right like here's my prediction i mean it's pretty straightforward the

01:50:00.140 liberals will go and have a shortened um they bought themselves a little bit of time uh uh trudeau

01:50:07.900 gets to hang i don't even know why trudeau wanted to hang on any longer i don't know maybe he had

01:50:11.740 this 10-year number in his head and he wanted to hang on but they're going to do their mini

01:50:15.260 leadership uh campaign they'll shorten it they'll pick a leader before march 27th i'm going to go out

01:50:22.460 on the limb and say it's going to be somebody who's currently sitting i'll give it to anita and

01:50:26.700 let's say perfect then they're going to go back to uh try to go back to parliament on march 27th say hey

01:50:33.420 everything's back to normal and let's get on with the business let's read a new throne speech

01:50:38.620 okay what's new in the throne speech i have no idea like they're already 60 billion dollars over budget

01:50:44.860 jagmeet i think is jagmeet's got his pension so he's got nothing left to lose uh by the end of

01:50:51.580 february is is drooling they're in solid solid solid second place the conservatives are drooling

01:50:59.340 elizabeth may is drooling for different reasons so um so like that anita and anna or whoever's

01:51:07.020 sucker enough to want to be leader of the liberals is going to sit in the house of commons and then

01:51:11.580 within two weeks somebody's the the speaker will uh will allow a uh a day of um opposition motions

01:51:20.300 they'll present a bogus well actually they will have a real opposition opportunity because after

01:51:27.900 pro-rogue there has to be a new throne speech that's the rule like there has to be a throne

01:51:33.740 speech and the government has to say what they plan on doing and in the throne speech there has to be

01:51:38.460 a preliminary budget and a throne speech is a um a confidence vote always is no but no but no

01:51:47.180 government's ever been defeated on a throne speech traditionally that's fine but i think we might see

01:51:51.740 the first exception to that rule where if i'm the if at this point if i'm the conservatives don't play

01:51:57.740 by the rules anymore forget about being nice guys saying we're going to leave and then the courtesy of

01:52:03.340 whatever no no no no you got the just done so that's that's my prediction we're going to an election

01:52:10.460 in uh an election will be the the writ will be dropped on april 15th and we're going to a vote

01:52:18.540 uh the weekend before may long weekend oh that's right before my birthday what a what a great spring

01:52:25.580 that that's my prediction right now like that the country there's no recovering for the liberals at

01:52:30.460 this point there's no recovery well and one of the other things that i brought up yesterday is is

01:52:35.580 you know the the carbon tax is still going to go up on april 1st yeah imagine being uh you know

01:52:42.380 running for uh liberal leadership running in your riding again with the the carbon tax going up again

01:52:49.900 um actually you bring up a good point as is right now that would be very difficult for the liberals

01:52:56.940 for the government to do almost impossible to raise the carbon tax on april 1st no it's actually

01:53:02.860 already written in like the the tax implementations um so it's uh what it's what alcohol carbon tax

01:53:10.220 there's a few others that are impacted tobacco they're they're all they're all set in incremental

01:53:15.740 uh raises and that's that's already been written into legislation so that's why polyev keeps bringing

01:53:21.580 up the same thing um you know the the five times they're gonna five times they're gonna five times

01:53:26.540 because they're set in incremental that's already legislation so those changes are absolutely 10 out of

01:53:31.340 10 going to go through canadians will be paying more carbon tax and and they're raising it i i

01:53:37.500 can't remember it's 15 to the time every year with the forecast so it's currently sitting at 85

01:53:42.700 a ton so it'll go up to uh 100 bucks yeah so that's that's going to go through and i mean

01:53:51.980 and the mps get a raise the same day yeah so it's going to take and and i and off of the last

01:53:57.740 off of april 1st last year i think it took two to three weeks before we started feeling that bite

01:54:03.900 on different products that we were purchasing inside of stores there was a noticeable change

01:54:09.420 but it didn't happen on april 1st so it's just like gas cost of uh you know a barrel of oil goes

01:54:15.500 up but your gas prices remain the same for two to three days right so there's there's always that time

01:54:20.940 where they purchased at the lower price or at the higher price before they'll they'll fluctuate the prices

01:54:26.860 at the pump same things happen with groceries only it's a little bit slower because not all groceries

01:54:33.180 are you know they're not bringing in all the same products at all the same time so it took i think it

01:54:38.620 was about three weeks before we'd seen like the end runs of what this meant on groceries and i think

01:54:44.380 it's because that delay that a lot of canadians didn't actually really associate higher prices with

01:54:50.700 it being from the carbon tax sure what what if um what if peer i know peer polivier thought this

01:55:04.380 through and he actually got justin trudeau on his side somehow because justin trudeau basically

01:55:11.020 disseminated the liberal party so badly that it's really all to the benefit of peer polivier at this

01:55:17.500 point it's like almost like he's like everything justin trudeau has done recently and the liberal

01:55:24.300 and his like little gang gangles of people around him have just failed them so badly everything that

01:55:33.580 they tried to do did the office it's there's still a piece of the puzzle left to come right i i'm

01:55:41.740 where's trudeau going to end up when we see that in about two months that'll tell us what happened

01:55:47.500 right i mean yeah i really wonder what happened this weekend now inside of the united states um if

01:55:55.580 you're a president you basically get protection for life so like clinton still travels around with

01:56:02.060 with protective services yeah yeah they get secret service for life yeah i think that they get secret

01:56:07.340 service for life as near as i know canadians have never had that happen but if you look at the uh

01:56:15.580 you know the convoy that trudeau now has to travel around in and i'd actually noticed this in 2022

01:56:21.660 and i'd actually received some information that i can't really talk about too much um stating that

01:56:27.180 there were physical threats and that's why security had started to amp up but it didn't actually roll out

01:56:32.300 until 2023 2024 but there were you know aside from what we see in in the legacy media there were credible

01:56:40.460 threats that were coming out against trudeau that's why he started amping up and and that's why he

01:56:45.900 keeps amping up so he's traveling around with like 37 cars but is he going to keep this same protective

01:56:52.140 detail it's discretionary so uh harper did have some security in like the next six months after he left

01:57:00.620 office for the following six months i know that outside his house there was a cruiser but not not like

01:57:06.860 and um if he wanted to travel somewhere he's on his own but he had the the he had access to some

01:57:12.860 security which he used for a few months today steven harper goes to a hockey game you see him sitting

01:57:18.780 there with everybody else that's a good question sheldon i think trudeau won't be safe like he's gonna

01:57:26.300 need he wouldn't need if he if it's a privilege or if it's not he's gonna ask for it i think he's

01:57:32.060 gonna realize that he's gonna have to ask for it or he's gonna leave the country and go somewhere else

01:57:36.300 i don't think he stays in the country i think it's that i don't think yeah and what about the

01:57:41.100 extended um because i mean there's some pretty egregious liberal mps and even even jagmeet singh

01:57:45.820 i don't know what he's afforded for uh security detail as being uh minority with a 2.2 million

01:57:52.380 dollar pension i think he could pay for his own security yeah but it's it's actually it's something

01:57:57.900 that i i mean i i don't like to admit this very very often but i'll like eva and i both went to the

01:58:03.980 university of ottawa right so i went to the university of ottawa in 19 i was there from 86

01:58:09.260 to 1990 and my prime minister at the time was uh brian mulroney and we used to see mr mulroney all the

01:58:17.020 time all the time i could literally mulroney would come out of the house of commons and walk down and

01:58:22.860 then head right and go up redo street and walk all the way to um or not redo street um sussex he'd walk he'd

01:58:31.660 walk to 24 sussex and uh what is that the kilometer and a half two kilometer and nobody

01:58:37.820 bothered him yeah he had a security guy you could see the guy over his shoulder and then if you drove

01:58:43.020 by 24 sussex when i was in school in those days there was a little white cabin in front and there

01:58:47.820 was an rcmp officer sitting in there and there was a cruiser out front and that was it and you could

01:58:52.700 walk by and gawk and take pictures and do whatever this trudeau brought this on himself and i don't think

01:58:58.780 this is here to stay a i think a proper prime minister who's more statesman and and nice like

01:59:05.420 poiliev is will go back to hopefully a more um subdued approach like yeah the 24 car motorcade

01:59:15.340 like that's yeah it's too much crazy i i heard a thing about polyev at his uh all his uh like speaking

01:59:22.300 engagements and stuff i was just reading a comment somebody posted on x um apparently he sticks around

01:59:28.380 like until everyone who wants a picture or or to shake his hand or give a comment like he spends

01:59:34.300 like hours sometimes like he he literally sees everyone who wants to see him so that's a pretty

01:59:39.420 pretty quick way to endear yourself to canadians right yeah yeah and and what he does now is not

01:59:44.940 much different than being prime minister right in terms of public appearances and in the level of

01:59:51.020 you know yeah i don't i mean uh it started with christian was that way with christian when he

01:59:57.340 started out was pretty uh easy going and approachable then he had that one incident where somebody grabbed

02:00:05.180 him by the pride well christian had somebody come to uh his house right i mean that somebody got into 24

02:00:11.260 sussex and uh what's his wife's name was it elaine or uh she's the one who confront anyways uh yeah did he get

02:00:19.420 a pie in the face too was that more than one yeah more than one oh yeah yeah he's a feisty little

02:00:27.260 bugger creature part of the part of the reason i'm asking about not just trudeau but also jagmeet

02:00:31.980 saying is as like you know jagmeet put out that weird video about like with 22 minutes with him and

02:00:40.700 you know his dojo or like doing his uh whatever martial arts that that he does is is that his way of

02:00:48.780 basically coming out to canadian saying like come with me i'll kick your ass like is he playing tough

02:00:55.900 guy here because he knows he's not gonna get any security detail if he's punted out well he did the

02:01:02.620 tough guy thing on the house uh behind parliament hill there in october when that guy confronted him

02:01:07.580 i mean hey to be honest real video there was the this hour has 20 ever made those comments right i mean

02:01:15.340 this hour 22 minutes trying to be funny right now it's not even close to funny and they look desperate

02:01:21.980 to to not get defunded it's uh did you guys see rosemary barton cried like she was in tears when she

02:01:29.420 was talking about trudeau stepping down like wow i can't watch i didn't listen i saw the video it's so

02:01:35.580 funny like oh yeah actually trudeau trudeau sitting down with this hour's 22 minute was cringe too like

02:01:42.780 that was yeah they all brought it on themselves like i yeah all of them like rosie and all of these

02:01:50.220 people like what did you expect to happen you could see this 10 years ago well maybe five for sure i

02:01:57.820 really believe these people don't think further than like two weeks in advance don't think yeah

02:02:04.620 that's probably i could have ended it there yeah well no you know i wondered about some of that stuff

02:02:09.500 because you know you generally have to think that these people are they know that they're doing evil

02:02:14.060 they know that their policies are hurting people i don't know i think i think some of these guys

02:02:19.660 these statements it's it's like they actually believe it's because they look at themselves i

02:02:25.660 think that's the difference is they're not looking at what how it's affecting other people how is this

02:02:30.620 benefiting enriching me obviously the media they are not thinking about anybody else except for their

02:02:37.660 position yeah of power and money um and that's why i think it's just so important to laugh at these

02:02:44.860 half of them are lawyers aren't they yeah i don't know that's the first problem right just to kind of

02:02:51.260 lend to that there no i think it's a good question they they i think some of them trudeau and as a

02:02:59.100 i think trudeau is a classic sociopathic narcissist like he you know um it was i i remember the time

02:03:07.340 uh peterson got asked that question peterson got asked like if you could ask trudeau one thing and i

02:03:12.780 thought oh he's just going to lambaste them and then peterson paused on it and they said i would

02:03:16.940 ask him you know do you ever think that your policies are hurting people and then and then

02:03:22.300 and then peterson expanded he's like uh yeah why no i wouldn't even ask him that because i know the

02:03:27.420 answer and and peterson's analysis of him is no he's yeah trudeau thinks his his don't stink and

02:03:33.980 he's brilliant he honestly i think he honestly thinks he's brilliant yeah you know we saw it and we

02:03:39.500 saw it yesterday when he was talking it's not his fault man we're just not seeing it we're not what's

02:03:44.300 the word that he always says we're not um we're not experiencing it the same way as he is yeah yeah

02:03:50.860 you know he thinks that he's brilliant and he also thinks that if if you don't think he's brilliant

02:03:56.940 it's because you're stupid like it's not there is no other option i heard it explained like really

02:04:03.340 succinctly one time um i can't remember where i read it the guy was saying like you know that

02:04:09.180 feeling that you get when you like you step onto a plane and you're getting you're settled you know

02:04:13.580 you're settled in for a long flight and you hear right across the aisle there's like a baby that

02:04:18.300 starts crying like super loud and just for a second like the bad you know the worst part of your brain

02:04:22.780 goes like i wish they didn't allow babies on flights you know that's what the elites think about us

02:04:29.180 all the time like that's their default for everyone else around them yeah yeah and sometimes

02:04:35.580 i have to agree with them because i see the non-stop fighting and the yelling and the silliness and i'm

02:04:42.940 like oh my god maybe we just do need somebody to make all these decisions for others and that's why i

02:04:49.020 say it again first i talk about educating canadians and then getting involved because sometimes we look

02:04:55.100 a little bit silly when we're arguing amongst each other and both of us are wrong and i think

02:05:00.780 and then the people are like well screw this i'm just gonna do it that's also another reason i think

02:05:06.300 like with party politics almost we don't have the best quality elected officials right now so the

02:05:12.780 party leader is like you know what just listen to me i've got this because you're not in a position

02:05:18.700 to be taking this and that's uh uh like not something to be proud of in canada and i think

02:05:25.180 we really need to elevate the citizenry and our elected officials in canada yeah you know i i remember

02:05:32.620 having shane gets in on a town hall uh at one point and we talked about you know what what mlas get paid

02:05:41.020 um and you know when you talk to canadians they say well they get paid too much money obviously i mean

02:05:45.900 there's a the big conversation in calgary right now is how much raise uh city council is going to get

02:05:51.980 to be you know as bad as bad as they are you know with gondec coming up to like two and a quarter

02:05:57.260 225 000 or something it's over 200 000 um but in actuality that's that's not a lot of money

02:06:05.580 uh you know for a mayor 200 000 for city councilors 120 000 uh for mlas i'm not sure what they get paid

02:06:13.900 mps are like two and a quarter to 250. and and and and gets and said you know the reason that we have

02:06:21.500 the politicians that we have is because we're not attracting people by the with an actual reasonable

02:06:28.940 amount of money for skilled people to be in what it is is for literally like what we see these people

02:06:36.700 chasing a higher paycheck than they would achieve in their in their otherwise business lives through

02:06:43.100 like so yeah the mayor of edmonton and calgary they make more money than mlas in alberta

02:06:50.380 there's a well yeah yeah and maybe like yeah i i can't remember exactly how much

02:06:57.100 with uh the premier but it's not that different so i don't think the mayors are in a position

02:07:06.620 really are doing that kind of responsibility that they need that kind of money

02:07:11.100 well like i think different arguments uh sorry sheldon i can see like no go ahead maybe maybe

02:07:16.060 you pay them maybe you pay them so much more that they don't then go seeking you know what whatever

02:07:23.580 their next ride is going to be as soon as they're out of politics by you know allowing uh you know

02:07:28.300 lobbyists to buy them with favors and stuff right or um i i read this another just guy was commenting on

02:07:34.620 next he was talking about um uh congressmen in the us but i could see it applying here you pay uh an mp

02:07:43.660 the the average salary of the worker of their right of their writing yeah yeah so so there's there's

02:07:52.620 your incentive to you know enrich the people you represent because you're getting paid whatever the

02:07:57.420 median salary is that that you of the people you represent so you're looking to elevate them

02:08:04.700 well i mean that's that's essentially what what we would like to see i mean you know they say a

02:08:08.780 rising tide lifts all boats yeah you're in the leadership and you're the person that helps uh the

02:08:15.100 tide rise then it gives you a stake you put you got skin in the game at that point right you're not

02:08:19.900 just you're not just working on behalf of whatever committee you're representing

02:08:23.500 on behalf of whatever global interest they're representing i what what i i i mean it's a com

02:08:30.140 it's a probably a completely unpractical model but to me you know the comparison is not the same as

02:08:37.420 say the the free market because in the free market you are paid to perform and so mps as far as i'm

02:08:43.580 concerned are not paid don't perform if they want it so what i would suggest is a scaled pay you get you

02:08:51.580 you you get elected you get 120 000 a year there is a scale right now but it's you know you you become

02:08:57.900 a minister get paid and if you perform well turn to your constituents and then the constituents can

02:09:04.780 say yeah he deserves a raise and so and and make make the raises big so you get paid in your first

02:09:11.100 year you get a hundred thousand dollars a year you do really well and you get a high approval rating

02:09:15.980 from your constituents next year you're going to get 150 do extremely well next year you're going to get

02:09:21.020 200 keep sucking at what you do you're stuck at your base pay of a hundred so that's what i'd like

02:09:26.220 to see something like that because i i i mean uh beyond that i i don't think politics will ever

02:09:34.380 attract like that's another myth right that paying well attracts good people even in industry like it

02:09:40.300 doesn't work that way like then you attract people who are just interested in making more bucks so

02:09:46.460 um motivated individuals don't work for pure money they they they work for something else but

02:09:53.820 yeah it's yeah it's a challenging that's a good point that's a good point because there's there's the

02:09:57.820 whole other uh um uh incentive jennifer o'connell makes two hundred thousand dollars a year as an mp

02:10:04.060 like holy shit like mark garrettson makes two hundred thousand dollars a year as an mp

02:10:10.860 yeah yeah because there are there are the people there that are just in it for the

02:10:15.100 for the for the rush of having power over somebody yeah yeah i just i just wasn't sure if that's how

02:10:20.780 much they make because i i do think oh um there are some that make a lot more than others like that's

02:10:28.060 that's the thing i there's massive discrepancies which also don't make sense to me but the the pay

02:10:33.340 is the same for every mp so an mp right now it's approximately 220 000 and then there's uh there's a

02:10:40.060 premium for being on committees there's a premium for being in the chair of the committee there's a

02:10:45.180 premium for being the speaker of the house those are good paying jobs obviously because mlas do not

02:10:52.140 make that much money well no and mla in alberta is 120 000 a year yeah massive yeah yeah no it's

02:10:58.540 it's not even and an mla in alberta doesn't get a pension they that yeah uh mlas in alberta voted

02:11:04.700 away the pension years ago and all they get is a defined contribution to uh to a savings plan it's

02:11:10.300 still generous but they don't get a pension yeah so it's like like jam of the month club yeah yeah so

02:11:15.580 then you can see yeah federally it certainly is a nice like uh compensation for mostly anyone but

02:11:23.660 like for some skilled people um like shane getson was saying it it is a pay cut for some people

02:11:30.300 totally yeah my my mla here is uh is uh peter guthrie and peter peter was an engineer in the

02:11:37.100 private sector who did that leap he he went to the and i've talked to him many times he's like oh yeah i

02:11:41.820 don't like he he he doesn't i know he can't be possibly making the money he used to make in the

02:11:46.940 private sector there's no way yeah well that's what gets me said yeah good like oh like this is chump

02:11:52.780 change like he goes it's just really not a good salary and that's why you're not going to attract

02:11:58.300 the right people but then like we see federally it's a hundred thousand dollars more and then look at

02:12:05.500 the quality of people we were just saying like yeah bigger pool bigger pool of talent and 200 000 doesn't

02:12:11.420 solve the problem i mean it's uh interesting two hundred thousand dollars like the average like

02:12:17.020 i'm i'm very intimate with this the average salary of a canadian is under like 68 000 that's a really

02:12:23.100 really low number and so for the if if you tell the average canadian that that jennifer o'connell

02:12:30.220 makes 220 000 a year they just go like like mind blown yeah we should have some good yeah anyways

02:12:37.900 it's not um how long are we going there uh sheldon i noticed we've been on i have to go to court in

02:12:43.500 the morning yeah that's okay oh fancy lawyer over here yeah look at me i thought i'd throw that in

02:12:52.540 there to show you how very important i am no there was actually one thing that uh marty and eva i know you

02:13:01.260 guys have talked about uh but it was term limits and better recall legislation like that's the thing

02:13:09.100 i keep trying to tell people yeah there's so many things we could do and um we're just like um we're

02:13:17.420 waiting around for somebody else to make these decisions and somebody in power in elected officials

02:13:23.020 aren't going to be the ones to be like you know what's a good idea is if we make easier recall election

02:13:28.380 or if we have term limits because they're already in charge so why are they going to be the ones

02:13:33.020 pushing it they're not like this really has to come from the citizens and there's more of us than

02:13:38.060 there are of them it just takes a little bit more effort and coordination and i think that there's so

02:13:43.820 much that we can do if we already have at least term limits possibly for like the prime minister we

02:13:50.540 wouldn't have this issue with trudeau if we had that like none of this proroguing none of this

02:13:57.420 non-confidence at this point he would have had his two terms and he would have been done

02:14:02.940 i know you we have a system that's 157 years old and and and our system came after the fact i mean

02:14:10.540 like there had been you know the americans next door had a hundred years of experience with their

02:14:16.140 democracy and we we we started a hundred years after them and like hey let's do this and like

02:14:22.140 and we picked an antiquated system i guess we didn't have a choice we went with the westminster

02:14:28.460 system but and that was at least six weeks before the internet was introduced too yeah yeah uh no marty

02:14:35.420 but on that and i'd seen you made a point um because you you know on the term limits you said like nenshi

02:14:41.980 wouldn't be here because he'd already spent his time in municipalities so on term limits can we allow

02:14:49.260 uh politicians to graduate from municipal to provincial to federal like is that or is that a

02:14:57.180 part of it we could draft it so there's no rules steadfast right now we have no rules in the united

02:15:03.260 states as you guys obviously know the the president has a two-time limit not a lot of other things are

02:15:10.860 and i think governors do and maybe not in every state um apart from that like what pelosi has been

02:15:17.340 around since she was like 12 and she's still in politics so i don't think that that's a bad thing

02:15:23.500 either but when it's the top person and then you know people do say give the opposite argument like

02:15:29.420 look at klein and all of the good things but i think also at the same time when you have term

02:15:34.460 limits at the top level people have to start talking about succession okay who's gonna take over

02:15:41.020 that didn't happen here in alberta yeah and then years later after like you know ralph klein did

02:15:47.500 what he did for so long and then it was like uh oh now what and nobody seemed to have thought about

02:15:52.140 it which is silly um but i don't i don't think you should if somebody's in municipal government then

02:15:58.140 say okay you can't run in provincially or federally i don't think um but certainly there are no rules to

02:16:06.140 this i think this is what people advocate for and what we've finally come to and what works for

02:16:11.980 people and alberta does have recall legislation right now yes but it's very hard to do but it's

02:16:20.860 well and i mean we'd seen that on the you know the first attempt to uh recall mayor gondek yeah um

02:16:28.060 you know it's it was unachievable that um it wouldn't matter like change that though for what

02:16:34.860 you're actually looking at like the time limit it was i believe it was three months

02:16:39.260 and you had to have more people to recall gondek than voted in the election totally but we should

02:16:45.980 be advocating to change that so it doesn't have to be so onerous yeah and that was there was talk of

02:16:53.180 that in alberta and that kind of disappeared because that was on that that was that was literally a

02:16:58.300 campaign promise to uh last year it was a campaign promise that just went gone but have you heard

02:17:05.340 anybody talking about that for the last year no and this is what happens is i find canadians are

02:17:12.060 lots of chickens with their heads cut off with a lot of ideas but they're not good with the follow

02:17:16.700 through you have to do like what the lgbtq community did excellent they stayed focused they stayed on point

02:17:23.580 and they got the changes they were looking to make to the detriment of everyone else and they're a

02:17:28.540 minority uh with a lot of these things i think you could get a huge majority of people saying yeah we

02:17:35.420 want better recall legislation like why would people say no um on term limits there's a lot more debate

02:17:41.580 about that but on recall to give people a bit more well even in his speech yesterday when asked if he had

02:17:47.660 a regret like you know trudeau said he regrets not being able to change the uh the voting legislation

02:17:54.460 like he he had you know we're still using first past the post i thought that was actually the only

02:18:00.220 part of his whole speech yesterday that made a teeny weeny little bit of sense you know yeah we could have

02:18:05.820 so many reforms in this country i mean an elected senate uh term limits better recall legislation uh uh i i

02:18:14.780 i i we could we could do a combination of increasing the the wages and maybe decreasing the the pensions

02:18:22.700 because that that's the other thing i think you're right the the pension the the wages attracts a

02:18:30.140 certain group and then we saw what happened with like i i swear to god jagmeet stayed on and did some

02:18:35.500 things that were completely against um the party just to get just to secure his own pension i mean the the

02:18:44.060 wage is nothing compared to the pension he's going to collect a pension uh he still only collects it

02:18:49.260 at age 60 but at age 60 he gets 200 000 a year and if he lives to be 80 or 90 that's going to add to

02:18:56.140 2.6 million bucks yeah it's going to make more like more retirement than most canadians will make

02:19:02.780 um as a year's worth of salary yeah yeah yeah so anyways unsustainable all right guys well yeah we're at

02:19:10.860 about uh 220 here for time we've got about uh 5800 people watching just almost well 58 50 58 58 5 000

02:19:21.820 people showed up to to listen to this conversation so um yeah i guess i i guess we can probably wrap

02:19:28.780 it up one thing i always like to do is you know thank everybody for taking uh time to sit in on one of

02:19:34.060 our conversations because i mean you know it's great to see people engaged and and if you do find out

02:19:39.820 that we're coming to your city or we're having a little gathering make sure you come and have a

02:19:44.380 beer with us and you know it's it's hard to catch everybody and it's hard to have these like really

02:19:48.300 long conversations but definitely come out and and meet us so uh start off with you marty then we'll

02:19:55.020 go eva and mike uh parting words what do you what do you think we're looking at into uh 2025.

02:20:01.100 i think i already said it then an election in uh an election in may somewhere around there

02:20:08.940 and uh and then i'm gonna be honest i'm setting myself up for a little bit of disappointment i'm i

02:20:16.220 don't want to get my hopes up too high on pierre poiliev i think that's that's my that's that's

02:20:22.860 unfortunately that's my estate right now that's how i feel we he's got so much work to undo and um and

02:20:30.220 fix and and i want it all to happen in one year so i got to prepare myself that it's not going to

02:20:35.980 happen this year we're not gonna we're not going to reverse all the damage done by the liberals in

02:20:40.540 one year not not in a term and i'm gonna support what marty said in that i have basically to me i don't

02:20:51.580 as much care who's in charge obviously trudeau was a little bit more of an issue because he was

02:20:56.460 more tyrannical but i think that the power is with the people um there's so much that we can do i'm

02:21:03.820 gonna throw this up here i have it the book and it's just the more we understand the systems that

02:21:09.340 govern us the more we can affect change and like why wait for pierre polivier to enact things when we

02:21:16.620 could pressure that is our job as citizens to push and pressure them that yay they do follow the polls

02:21:26.300 they do follow donors so become the voters yay look at that best thing ever in canada but that's the

02:21:35.180 one thing i heard jd vance say this and i think this is so powerful because people often talk about

02:21:41.100 it's money that drives everything glow like all of that and he said yeah money is a big factor but

02:21:47.100 what the establishment is more scared of is grassroots coming together and we saw that in canada it

02:21:54.220 went throughout the world and when citizens are united together there is no stopping them no no money in

02:22:01.180 the world is going to stop it because that's where the real power is so pierre trudeau again another

02:22:08.060 thing whether it's joely or it's jagmeet if we're not putting pressure on elected officials we're

02:22:14.380 going to end up in the same place and and just so um everybody has a chance so this is uh eva's book

02:22:22.300 let's see if my camera's going to pick it up here now you're all gone and everything yeah uh so reconnect

02:22:28.860 canada and people can find this on amazon or they can uh contact you direct and i'm going to read out your

02:22:35.340 phone number kidding uh let's get mike's closing comments there yeah yeah and um and uh your

02:22:45.500 website for empowered canadians is empowered canadians.ca.ca thanks i just wanted to make

02:22:53.180 sure everybody got a you know it gets a chance give you a free plug and and mike go ahead yeah i'll uh

02:22:59.340 i'll chime in on that i mean i think that yeah probably like in as much in in the same way that

02:23:05.180 you don't want to um idolize politicians and you don't want to uh you know make make them a bigger

02:23:12.700 deal than than they really are also i think that with polyev you have to yeah we have to understand

02:23:18.380 that like we're not going to get everything we want guys you know people like us who you know we're

02:23:23.420 probably never going to get the apology for covid that we deserve as canadians but uh out of polyev

02:23:31.500 but if if he at least allows that overton window to be expanded a little bit so that maybe the next

02:23:37.740 guy does maybe the guy after him and we get towards a you know uh a less less global and a more local

02:23:45.340 governance uh slowly i i think that you know we can't um uh you know we can't be too harsh we we

02:23:53.020 don't don't idolize them but also don't demonize them to the point that you'll you'll just never

02:23:56.940 get another chance with anyone so um i'll just end with a tiny the tiniest of plugs if we have 5800

02:24:03.340 people watching uh at the crit comp on x uh it's in the it's in my handle there you guys follow us we

02:24:10.700 have a youtube we have a a twitter account and we interact with uh these heavy hitters all the time

02:24:17.020 um and uh really appreciate you guys uh letting me hang out and chime in with some bullshit every

02:24:24.060 once in a while to when when the adults in the room are talking so well i think it was actually

02:24:28.380 you that threw the group together here uh mike so when the when the chat came up it was actually

02:24:33.020 your idea it just happens to be my account so uh no i was always happen to have a conversation with

02:24:38.620 you sorry that james couldn't make it out this evening you know he's tracking tracking minutes

02:24:42.380 getting drunk doing whatever different porn whatever whatever james he's writing time stamps

02:24:47.660 down like uh i've got a chalkboard in the background yeah yeah yes scott we are on rumble by the way

02:24:56.060 yeah oh yeah there you are so and then and you're on rumble and and so then my last thank you is going

02:25:00.700 to go out to uh to to my guests here so marty eva mike uh thanks for taking some time and breaking this

02:25:07.420 thing out had a great time uh i hope we do more conversations throughout 2025 um and i hope there's

02:25:13.580 a lot more you know positive outlook what we should actually do is maybe rekindle this on uh on march 24th

02:25:21.900 or march 25th after that drops down okay that sounds good to me you know absolutely okay so everybody

02:25:28.940 is watching and we now have 5970 something so yeah almost 6 000 people 6 000 people put this on your

02:25:36.300 calendar we're going to come back on march 25th have another conversation and and just kind of see

02:25:41.260 where we go from here so all right thanks for for coming out everybody and and again thanks for

02:25:46.300 for for you guys for giving me some of your time tonight good night everyone cheers

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The Critical Compass Podcast - January 14, 2025

Trudeau Resignation Debrief Livestream feat. Eva Chipiuk, Martyupnorth, Sheldon Yakiwchuk

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