The Critical Compass Podcast - February 05, 2025


Understanding The Tariffs with Martyupnorth


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In this episode of the Critical Compass Live Stream, we discuss the impact of President Donald Trump's announcement of tariffs on other countries and the impact on Canada and other trading partners. We talk about the potential impact on the Canadian economy, as well as the implications for the rest of the world, and whether or not they should be worried about it.

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00:00:00.000 Thank you.
00:00:30.000 ah there we are hey everyone sorry for the long intro there uh welcome to this uh critical
00:00:41.560 compass live stream uh we're uh lucky enough to have uh marty up north with us again and uh we
00:00:49.100 are today going to discuss uh probably a lot of things but the the at least the excuse for getting
00:00:56.060 together today is tariffs this was going to be a whole lot of a lot spicier of a of a live stream
00:01:01.180 uh until about i don't know what it was three o'clock yesterday afternoon 24 hours ago yeah
00:01:06.880 yeah so but hey i mean i guess it's a good thing but marty what uh i don't know give your take on
00:01:13.280 this like for for people listening who just kind of vaguely understand the term of what you know
00:01:18.160 what we're talking about here. What is a tariff? A tariff is, usually countries will impose a
00:01:28.780 tariff on another country to prevent, to diminish competition on a good that they already make
00:01:37.620 coming into from other countries. So as an example, Canada makes aluminum, we make aluminum,
00:01:45.280 and and we want people to buy our own aluminum and if there's another country that has aluminum
00:01:51.200 and they make it really really cheap compared to us let's say china then we would uh our government 0.64
00:01:57.440 could impose a tariff on aluminum coming from china and what that means is that uh you know if
00:02:04.880 i'm the guy who's building trucks and i need to build an aluminum frame for my truck they're
00:02:09.600 encouraging me to buy aluminum from canada and and and if the aluminum from the from from china is
00:02:18.400 cheaper when they impose a tariff on it they artificially make it more expensive so they're
00:02:23.600 kind of forcing me to go find the loom to buy local and so it's usually limited for that like
00:02:29.520 very limited so in canada we've had tariffs against the americans for a long time like we
00:02:33.920 we tariff the out of their dairy products we make it completely uncompetitive for an american to
00:02:41.680 sell cheese or milk to canada like you never see my management right in that in this case i mean
00:02:49.040 in this case we call it like the dairy cartel because the tariffs that we impose on china were
00:02:53.600 like 200 so so if a china so if uh if an american wants to sell me a liter of milk he has to be like
00:03:01.680 200 cheaper he has to sell it to me for 50 cents i'll buy it for 50 cents and then the government
00:03:07.120 will slap another buck on it and and and if that's the case and it's still cheaper than the
00:03:13.040 canadian one well then so be it so so that's an example of a tariff and and when donald trump
00:03:18.960 said that he was gonna impose tariffs on canada and other nations he said he said this like this
00:03:26.400 is a policy of is right he said it in uh he said it during his debate with kamala harris like four
00:03:32.080 months ago he said it in his inauguration speech he hinted at it all along but he wants to use he
00:03:38.160 wanted to he wanted to use tariffs not to necessarily um well no he wanted to use tariffs
00:03:45.760 to force his own people to buy local and not to buy from canada and and and that's a that's a
00:03:52.320 crazy idea because they're already getting crazy deals from us like you know our dollars worth like
00:03:59.040 70 of their dollar and we're an exporting country and they're buying from us things that they already
00:04:04.720 need so the whole idea when when when donald suggested tariffs like initially i was not
00:04:11.360 worried about it like i i thought it's an interesting concept but i i wasn't fundamentally worried
00:04:16.240 So it almost seems like, if not for the benefit of forcing local, reliance on local American products, it almost feels like it's partially a power move and also partially to set the tone and to create a reaction that he's in the driver's seat.
00:04:40.360 and he's starting these ripples and now we're seeing everybody react in real time
00:04:49.160 oh yeah absolutely yeah yeah i mean uh you know let's go back to his original like when he first
00:04:56.120 mentioned tariffs he kind of mentioned it in the context of you know um that they would bring in
00:05:02.360 extra money that's one thing right so he he talked about like other countries he uses a weird term
00:05:07.880 right like he's he talks that they're subsidizing other countries i disagree with that i mean you
00:05:13.960 know like he very marginally like on paper the americans buy more from us than we buy from them
00:05:21.560 so he used the term you know we're subset we're subsidizing canada's like oh no it's a trade
00:05:26.200 imbalance but your your economy's 10 times bigger than north stars so you're always gonna so so he
00:05:31.640 used the term um you know he he was upset that we were that they were subsidizing other countries
00:05:38.920 he also bounced the idea of tariffs as a way to finance the government and be able to perhaps
00:05:46.840 lower the taxes on his own citizens and and then he also used you know he talked openly about the
00:05:53.640 fact that america used to be a powerhouse when it came to manufacturing and things like that and
00:05:57.400 they'd lost the the lead on some of that you know manufacturing was now occurring in china and india
00:06:03.000 and places like that so he wanted to use tariffs to to for for multiple reasons to regain advantages
00:06:10.440 to re to kickstart industries that had disappeared and to generate extra money so and and and those
00:06:17.400 ideas i'll you know i'm not an economist but those ideas are old i mean in fact he was talking about
00:06:24.440 this like he kept referring to one of their old presidents like mckinley did this it's like yeah
00:06:28.920 mckinley did that in 1920. like you know like the the world of 1920 yeah compared to today like it's
00:06:37.640 it's not the same way so um but so he did that for that but but but to your point james yeah he also
00:06:45.000 you know everybody talks about trump and his book the art of the deal and and and and other things
00:06:50.120 and yeah like in hindsight when i look at i i i tweeted about this today it was a wicked uh it 0.91
00:06:57.000 was a dick move it was a bully move it was a power move right and um you know this morning you know 0.91
00:07:03.960 canada's like we're going like we're breathing a sigh of relief he sent us a clear message but 0.98
00:07:10.200 think of them and we're his best friends right or supposedly we're some of his best friends
00:07:14.040 we're the we've been allies through whatever three wars think of the message it sends to um
00:07:22.200 to ukraine to saudi arabia to germany to south africa to brazil any other country that he's
00:07:28.840 going to do business with in the next year or four years and like if i'm willing to squeeze
00:07:34.360 my neighbors my best friends my cousins then what am i willing to do to you guys right so it was a
00:07:39.960 pretty pretty awesome power move yeah and that's for sure yeah now i want to say something i i
00:07:47.720 i know you're having something i'm having uh i'm having an amer i'm having an american bourbon
00:07:52.520 right now and uh i tweeted about this today um you know some of the stuff we saw the other day
00:07:58.840 like canadians booing uh at hockey game stuff like that sure it's it's it's emotional and there
00:08:04.440 was some reflection to that but no hard feelings right it's business business is business um
00:08:11.640 and so yeah that that was my message to americans well played trump well played
00:08:15.800 and uh hopefully no hard feelings we got the we heard you we heard you loud and clear and uh and
00:08:21.320 then let's move on well and what i heard as well is that i don't know how much truth there is to
00:08:26.600 this but i can i can see a world in which this is the case i mean one of the you know canada did
00:08:33.960 come forward with at least kind of like a skeleton of a plan kind of mid-December you know about a
00:08:39.460 you know two three weeks after the initial tariff threats and they said you know we'll commit this
00:08:44.300 amount of money and we'll commit that amount of money and then uh Trudeau went on a ski vacation
00:08:50.000 and then resigned and prorogued parliament and so nothing like no monies were allocated not nothing
00:08:56.340 was actually like uh you know instantiated um so this final threat here you know last weekend was
00:09:03.940 was kind of the you know we came forward again with yesterday apparently with a very similar plan
00:09:09.120 but with much more uh you know concrete numbers 10,000 border agents whatever and um interestingly
00:09:17.000 one of the new uh additions to that that plan was a uh like a joint American Canadian task force
00:09:24.540 kind of task force yeah yeah yeah and so so I was reading some comments where people were saying
00:09:30.040 like i think it was jason james i think is his name uh we follow him on x he he's a he's a good
00:09:35.480 commentator um he was saying that like maybe this is a maybe what trump actually wants is to like
00:09:41.860 get a little bit of insight into just how captured the canadian government is with chinese interests
00:09:48.020 maybe this is like an insider play to kind of like really understand what he's dealing with
00:09:52.900 oh yeah well i mean we're like first of all yeah like trying to trying to get into trump's mind
00:09:59.260 right now is impossible right like none of us like it always has been yeah you you can analyze it
00:10:04.300 yeah so earlier we talked about on the surface why would you use tariffs so you would use tariffs
00:10:09.740 economically for a small game but you can use tariffs or sanctions as punishment right we do
00:10:15.820 that to other nations like we've done you know we did it to iran and other countries like it's
00:10:19.980 it has nothing to do with um with uh helping our own economy like when when iran 20 years ago
00:10:27.180 misbehave and that's something we'd say well we're we're we're doing an embargo or we're
00:10:31.580 sanctioning you or we're doing stuff like that so so yes trump also simultaneously the tariffs
00:10:38.460 look like they were a bit of a a sanction or a punishment for not doing something he asked us
00:10:45.820 to do and one of the things yeah one of the things he asked is secure your border and and and and i
00:10:51.980 i'll admit like when he when i heard that when i heard him say that like uh whatever two months
00:10:57.100 ago um i was i was a little taken aback by that right i mean if you think of an americans and
00:11:04.220 their and which border is giving americans grief like the first one that comes to mind is mexico
00:11:09.820 right yeah but then i looked into our border and then you realize yeah yeah there is a you know
00:11:15.580 there is a fentanyl problem there is cartels cartel like we're gonna actually not cartel
00:11:20.780 like there's cartel organizations in canada in vancouver and toronto the chinese yeah absolutely
00:11:28.140 so did he use did he use the sanctions as a as a threat or a form of punishment sure absolutely um
00:11:37.260 and and then uh he he also used the sanctions as um as he could have used them as a bargaining
00:11:45.260 chip for for for because we also know that the nafta i keep calling it the nafta agreement the
00:11:50.300 north american free trade but the the existing free trade is is due for renewal like in july so
00:11:57.900 yeah i mean there's there's lots there's lots at play i'll even go this far to to the whole
00:12:03.260 chinese interference thing um yeah i think there's a quite a bit of value in there or not value a bit
00:12:10.540 of um validity in that like you know trump trump 1.0 when he got elected eight years ago one of
00:12:18.860 of his mandates then was like i'm going to clean up the swamp right i'm going to clean up the swamp
00:12:23.040 and and then he started cleaning up the swamp then he lost that election biden came in
00:12:27.620 now he's finishing this he's finishing cleaning up the swamp he's doing it in his own territory
00:12:32.160 but i think while while cleaning up the swamp he looked north he looked elsewhere and he saw
00:12:38.360 canada's like you know you guys got a little bit of swamp in uh pretty swampy yeah yeah pretty
00:12:43.240 swampy i'm gonna go he doesn't like trudeau like i don't think there's any uh love lost between
00:12:48.720 knows to so yeah one one thing i'm noticing is um as this unfolds there's going to be things
00:12:56.360 pushed into the collective consciousness that will be impossible to ignore and i'm curious for
00:13:02.740 us to observe like well what did the conservatives say about some of these issues what did the
00:13:07.740 liberals say and then i want to see how the story changes and then see if there's backpedaling or
00:13:15.320 see what unfolds with maybe they'll speak their mind and they'll claim something like well yes we
00:13:22.300 put in a border plan but look 90 of the weapons like that criminals use come from they're smuggled
00:13:29.980 across the border they let that one slip through and then like well what does that mean for our
00:13:37.600 our gun laws here in Canada as they try to double down and justify one thing it reveals more in other
00:13:46.100 areas so we got to be hyper vigilant to observe and to really call it what's happening yeah well
00:13:53.560 the the border one again that was an interesting one because he was he was sort of okay let's say
00:13:59.880 there is a problem with the border it's a two-way street right the border like people cross the
00:14:04.660 border so it's like yeah you want us to stop people from going into your country but you can
00:14:09.340 also stop them from coming into your country like last time i looked actually you're free to leave 0.52
00:14:14.820 canada and you're stopped when you enter the u.s and vice versa so when he was complaining that
00:14:20.920 but but that's not what he wasn't complaining about that i mean what he was complaining about
00:14:25.080 when he looking at the border is is is the bigger picture which is the stuff that we make here that
00:14:31.100 we're allowing across the border. But to your point, we could have easily said, sure, there's
00:14:35.540 drugs going in from our side to your side, but you're sending us guns. But then he could argue
00:14:42.420 the guns made in are not illegal, whereas the drugs are illegal. We can get into semantics, but
00:14:50.440 I'm glad we have an hour because we got a lot to unpack. I mean, there's like a ton to unpack.
00:15:00.100 like which way do you guys want to take this like we can go and also anyway and like anyway whatever
00:15:06.580 whatever feels right let's stick to this okay um let's let's let's let's let i think on your
00:15:14.340 train of thought james one of the things that um okay so that so yesterday we get this good news
00:15:20.720 right like i i fundamentally thought let's let's let what i would have done is let trump say he
00:15:26.180 wants to impose the tariffs because me pragmatically speaking you're just going to hurt yourself
00:15:30.660 that's what i thought and let him do that don't go with this retaliatory language and and and in fact
00:15:37.580 don't do the retaliatory language go visit trump and ask him what you want but unfortunately we
00:15:44.040 immediately chose to go down like the overwhelmingly like we all heard it last week team canada
00:15:49.520 nine out of ten premiers were all on board with retaliation they even started retaliating pull
00:15:54.480 pulling booze off the shelf canceling starling things and and whatnot i i saw yesterday as a
00:16:01.800 win because trump backed off temporarily on the on the tariffs and we have to come back on that
00:16:07.760 because yes i'm curious to see what happens in 30 days and i think there's technical issues there
00:16:12.140 but i had another win yesterday which is more closer to me as an albertan you guys know this
00:16:18.780 i'm i'm i'm bored like i'm an alberta separatist now i look at confederation and i don't think
00:16:23.740 been working very well and for me the events of the last three weeks like if anybody still thinks
00:16:29.740 that alberta is part of team canada like the like everybody had suddenly everybody had these
00:16:35.340 revelations oh we should have diversified the economy we should have had more markets we should
00:16:39.340 have built pipelines we should have you know they suddenly everybody wanted us on board to be team
00:16:44.780 canada the tariffs got listed lifted yesterday this morning they asked the premier of quebec
00:16:50.380 okay so now after seeing what just happened how do you feel about building a pipeline across
00:16:54.940 quebec to help alberta and what did he say flat out no way no way i'm like wow so uh to me i got
00:17:03.180 a couple of wins this week because one of my big wins was to was like you know uh what's the
00:17:08.140 expression um in vino veritas right like in in wine comes truth or in a good battle comes the truth
00:17:14.460 like and i i think we saw some ugly truths this week the country is has a hard time rallying
00:17:20.740 around a common cause and the country's divided so it's team canada well but not in that way but
00:17:27.600 in this way yes yes it's conditional yeah yeah i mean i i like i like listening to some of the
00:17:34.320 politicians today like there was one politician in particular the the the liberal leader or
00:17:39.220 candidate uh ruby i don't remember her last name uh um anyways like dolly wall or something like
00:17:47.300 right yeah something like that and and then she kept saying like oh the last 72 hours were uh
00:17:52.180 an eye-opener seven she must have said it five times in an interview the last 72 hours were an
00:17:56.500 eye-opener an eye-opener i opened her i'm like an eye-opener we pay you guys big bucks you're a
00:18:03.140 liberal you've been in power for 10 years and you couldn't predict any of this like suddenly like
00:18:08.500 what happened what happened this week is a is a huge eye-opener for you and you're going to
00:18:13.540 suddenly solve the problems the problems that we've been like you know screaming about for years
00:18:19.300 we should diversify the economy we should have more than just the americans as partners we should
00:18:24.500 have oil we should do this we should do that and then to hear liberals this week saying it was an
00:18:29.460 eye-opener and we need to fix that problem i'm like wow like and then i don't want to pick on
00:18:35.460 pierre too much but you know i found that pierre when pierre got on board this um the the retaliatory
00:18:42.420 tariffs i was like oh god you know you guys are all going down the center yeah he had such we were
00:18:48.640 talking about that yesterday briefly it's like we he had such a perfect opportunity to just from the
00:18:53.420 start say like what what daniel smith was saying like hey listen i mean it's a it's a very simple
00:18:59.440 ask what what trump was asking two months ago like if if the border is so like if we're such
00:19:05.640 a small portion of the amount of drugs and illegals entering the u.s if it's so like
00:19:09.780 insignificant then it should be easy to solve like why are you why are you risking billions
00:19:15.460 of dollars in a in a crashed economy if it could be just whoa it's just nothing right
00:19:20.080 it didn't make any sense from the beginning yeah if it if it is a huge problem then trump's got a 0.98
00:19:26.500 point if it's a small problem it can be solved so by it doesn't need this like dick measuring
00:19:32.760 contest right no and and i mean um lots of people brought up similar ideas but i you know i love
00:19:40.580 twitter and places like that because you can put out an idea and then and then either your tweet
00:19:45.120 ages well or it doesn't age well yeah i've had a lot of tweets that age well in the last few weeks
00:19:50.420 i mean like i would have i i literally said a month ago why don't we designate somebody uh
00:19:57.140 you know significant to go negotiate with trump because it wasn't going to be trudeau he's a lame
00:20:01.380 duck and he doesn't like him i'm like pick somebody else don't pick jolie pick somebody 0.87
00:20:06.420 legitimate send him to go meet with trump and then work this out you know oh you don't like
00:20:11.780 our border done we'll fix that you don't think uh you don't like we're not spending two percent of
00:20:16.740 our gdp on uh on uh the military our bad you're right donald sorry uh what are we short 50 billion
00:20:24.900 i can't do it next year but tell you what how about i do 25 billion dollars is that okay oh
00:20:30.020 better yet i'll do 25 billion dollars in the next couple years and i'll buy everything i need from
00:20:35.300 you guys i'll buy a frigate from you guys 180 jets and maybe a whole pile of ammunition is that good
00:20:41.140 enough oh and you're worried about um greenland and the russians tell you what here's a thousand
00:20:46.580 square kilometers of prime real estate in labrador build a base knock yourself out man like this
00:20:51.460 could have all been negotiated and so maybe that's what he wants right maybe that's what he want and
00:20:56.900 he he just goes for the jugular and then backs up and then and then we'll see the real negotiation
00:21:03.220 but um because i mean the concessions he got from us right now are what like you know trudeau comes
00:21:09.220 out he he rehashed a plan he he published like december 18th like we're gonna do 1.3 billion
00:21:15.620 dollars over three years that's 130 million dollars like what is that like you know that's
00:21:20.580 arrived can every year like we spent more than that on the arrive can app and um and and and i
00:21:27.620 want to dissect that i don't think he can i don't even think he can deliver that 1.3 billion dollars
00:21:32.580 in the next 30 days oh i very much doubt it i doubt because i went i went in detail through
00:21:38.340 the budget the money's not there man like he won't be able to the best that trudeau can do in the
00:21:44.260 next 10 30 days is we can deploy the military along the along the board like he can he can call
00:21:51.620 the the vandu's and the ppcli and just send like you know a thousand guys like the americans are
00:21:57.380 doing on their southern border we can we can set up a couple of tents and send a bunch of guys and
00:22:01.300 have people fly back and forth in our heli and our in our uh antiquated 50 year old sea kings and
00:22:08.340 vietnamese era helicopters yeah yeah yeah well that's um that brings up a point about like uh
00:22:16.620 when you when you talk about like getting getting wins right like do i was curious to see what you
00:22:22.140 think like do you consider when i was looking at how the tariffs broke down right at the end there
00:22:27.560 when he announced the difference in like 25 across the board 10 on canadian energy would you do you
00:22:34.700 think that that was a daniel smith win do you think like when she went down and chatted with
00:22:38.380 him like the reason why it wasn't 25 as well on canadian energy is because she had some effect
00:22:43.600 on that or do you think it was unrelated no i think she had i hope i think she had some effect
00:22:48.560 i mean she didn't just like she she didn't just meet trump like during the inauguration she was
00:22:53.260 you know working pretty hard i think she had more effect with other people and and lobbyists like 0.89
00:22:58.740 oil industry executives um like realistically like the pictures of her and trump last week or
00:23:06.820 two weeks ago when she was at mar-a-largo or whatever like it was her photographer taking
00:23:11.140 pictures and she was publishing the pictures if trump really liked her he would have published
00:23:16.580 the pictures like he did for so many other people remember when he went to paris last uh for the
00:23:21.700 reopening of notre dame like he was all happy you know here's him so anyways i will let me collect
00:23:30.580 my thoughts so she had some impact more importantly i hope i hope she tapped guys you know the
00:23:35.380 president of cnrl the president of trans canada those guys and say you talk to your counterparts
00:23:40.580 which they did but let's not forget trump also does have really smart people working for him
00:23:48.420 like he can he he like you know the that's one thing i love about the american presidency like
00:23:53.300 once a week he'll like he'll pull out his rolodex any president can do this and say i want to see
00:23:59.140 the senior guys from the oil industry in my office next week and they'll be there and they'll talk to
00:24:03.940 him so i'm sure the people who own the big refineries in chicago and in the mid the midwest
00:24:11.220 and then houston they got a hold of them and said donald by the way and i know this because i worked
00:24:16.500 on keystone right they they consume 12 million barrels of oil per day they make nine and then
00:24:23.860 donald said drill baby drill it's like donald you can drill baby drill but not all oils are the same
00:24:32.260 so the oil that you're short those three million barrels those four million barrels you get from
00:24:36.900 us actually he gets three million from us because we send four they keep three and they send three
00:24:41.540 one back up north to to ontario it takes a really so the three he gets from us every day
00:24:48.100 is very heavy crude that they burnt that they distill in their refineries to make diesel
00:24:54.980 and they can't make and so donald can drill baby drill all he wants he won't find that
00:25:00.740 crude in his territory he'll find a little bit of it in california but it's in california like
00:25:06.340 you know and then and then everybody said well then we can import it from venezuela that's fine
00:25:11.540 you can so you're choosing to import from venezuela instead of from canada a nato ally and
00:25:17.300 you think that venezuela is going to give you a great deal because you just cancelled the deal
00:25:21.300 with uh with canada and there's still a technical problem because the oil that break if you brought
00:25:27.460 in the oil from venezuela the keystone pipeline that goes to all those refineries it's going in
00:25:32.260 in one direction so now he brought you so anyways if i know it trump knew it and his advisors knew
00:25:38.640 it and somebody tapped him on the shoulder and said maybe maybe we go 10 on oil so um because
00:25:47.820 the other tariffs sure people could replace you know what's what what do we sell apple juice he'll
00:25:53.140 go get it from somewhere else lumber he'll get it from somewhere else but i expected it on oil
00:25:58.380 we could have crippled him and that's the other thing i mean like we we think we're small we could
00:26:04.460 have crippled him on a couple of things man the oil would have been crippling like if we shut off
00:26:08.420 the oil it'd be a bit crippling and our potash man if we shut off our potash whole potash is huge
00:26:13.920 yeah totally and actually i spoke to somebody else about this i'll i'll give credit to it's
00:26:20.060 david parker where me and david had a chat on this like i asked david because every election
00:26:24.800 is one like on the mark on the edges right like even the even the trump election looks like it
00:26:29.780 was big wasn't a big win man he still had to uh flip pennsylvania and wisconsin and a couple of
00:26:36.540 key states like that so i asked david i'm like if you if if you had to retaliate for real
00:26:41.520 where would you hit and he picked like three states with a where with about only a million
00:26:47.920 votes but they were mostly farmer states like it's like yeah you you you shut off the potash
00:26:53.140 going to the to iowa and uh and ohio and places like that man those guys will turn the farmers 0.97
00:26:59.700 they'll turn on trump so fast yeah so luckily we didn't get there but we do yeah we did we did have
00:27:06.260 a couple in the chamber i mean we could we could technically retaliate but yeah well yeah so to
00:27:12.420 your original question danielle was diplomatic god love her for that i'm not you know she she 1.00
00:27:17.700 did a good job i don't think it was one-on-one with trump but her one-on-ones with a whole bunch
00:27:22.100 of other people and sending a bunch of energy guys to to supplement what trump's own guys
00:27:28.100 would have been saying to him for sure yeah and when you say cripple the united states
00:27:34.420 that would still have an effect on us too like if we're not selling that so it it's
00:27:42.660 it's mutually agree yeah what's the term for nuclear energy uh mutually assured destruction
00:27:47.940 yeah like why would we want to go there i don't want to go there man like no so the other thought
00:27:53.380 is um i've seen a lot of demonization of daniel smith for even going to the united states and
00:28:01.780 having these conversations and that to me is insane that she is actively embracing diplomacy
00:28:10.660 and getting demonized for that and that doesn't make sense to me but the worst one was nenshi
00:28:17.940 Sorry, James. Sorry to interrupt your thought.
00:28:21.400 No worries.
00:28:24.920 Again, acting in self-interest, and what we're going to see more of is these things that get revealed, it's going to be used solely for political gain.
00:28:38.240 so even oil being as much of a big big deal right now and if they say like well look at how critical
00:28:46.120 like look at how much we're relying on oil and if we didn't sell this oil that would cripple
00:28:51.800 our economy then they'll just say well we need more wind farms we need more solar and we need
00:28:59.800 more evs so they're going to use it to continue to push their goals even though the reality doesn't
00:29:06.700 match up, it's going to be used. That's what I'm most curious about is how all these revelations
00:29:13.820 are just going to be used to double down. I want to unpack that one in a second.
00:29:19.120 I'm circling EVs because we got to come back to EVs. But I do like, Nenshi was disgusting.
00:29:25.580 Like Nenshi literally put out a tweet two days ago that said, Albertans deserve a leader that 0.90
00:29:34.480 will work for canada i'm like what kind of mental gymnastics is that it's like no no no no no no no
00:29:42.720 no albertans deserve a leader that will work for albertans within the context of canada absolutely
00:29:50.160 but if canada is not cooperating then then like we don't bend to the rest of canada like people
00:29:56.240 are saying they didn't like you know oh congratulations trudeau you didn't bend to trump
00:30:00.960 but bad danielle because you didn't bend to trudeau well she should be on the same team as us i'm 0.98
00:30:07.280 like maybe i'm on team trump for this one i don't know right like oh nenshi's takes on this were
00:30:12.480 brutal then she we should just be happy that the tweet wasn't uh from nenshi albertans albertans
00:30:20.000 deserve a premier who will work for brussels or for davos or for something like they may as well
00:30:25.200 be right might as well be i actually that's a great i i use that kind of example when i'm
00:30:30.400 sometimes when i'm making a point i will take somebody's tweet and just change one word in it
00:30:35.500 we all do that right you change one word and you go and then people go well that's disgusting i'm 0.53
00:30:39.800 like yeah does the logic carry in the logic carries exactly so um i i want to go back to evs like yes
00:30:47.520 that's that look at look at how the narrative look at how the liberal narrative collapsed in
00:30:53.340 not just because of Trump but also because of the election you know they're like suddenly they're
00:30:57.980 moving away from the carbon tax they're moving away from net zero they're moving from so a lot
00:31:03.360 of things they're moving away is I see three reasons one they're moving to the center because
00:31:09.120 that's where Canadians are so they think they went too far left so they're moving to the center 0.99
00:31:13.480 they'll say they're moving on their own I think that Pierre is pulling them to the center but
00:31:20.040 trump is pulling them as much right like right now anybody can say whatever they want trump is this
00:31:25.720 big giant mass in the middle of the continent and he's a he's gravity he's a supernova and we're
00:31:31.400 being you know lights not escaping so we're all so whatever policy you have as an example when trump
00:31:36.440 said um i'm canceling um uh dei policies or net zero like 14 banks followed in suit including
00:31:46.920 five here in canada said we're done with our dei policies instantly it's like wow what was what
00:31:52.120 why were you doing it in the first place wow you know and the excuse was always well it made
00:31:57.640 business sense or whatever it's like no it doesn't you did it because he did it so um so the lip and
00:32:03.960 so they they reversed that but yeah on evs like last week what did they say well we should impose
00:32:10.040 a like i'm sure freeland said we should impose a hundred percent tariff on um on teslas i'm like
00:32:17.640 but but but but a month ago you're telling us that by 2035 all cars sold in in canada have to be
00:32:23.560 electric you know like oh my god yeah they were they were saying that thing yeah that's ew plant
00:32:30.280 that's not going to exist yeah they were spiting themselves is that the correct expression to uh
00:32:34.920 cut off your nose to spite your face yeah that's what they were doing like they were
00:32:40.460 you know yeah it was it was uh and and we gave the example of uh of francois legault who like
00:32:46.880 a week ago was like hey we should all be team canada we should have diversified the economy
00:32:50.500 we should be selling oil to whoever and then the tariffs are gone can we build a pipeline across
00:32:55.180 quebec nope i mean the quebecers the quebecers by canadian by canadian by canadian by canadian
00:33:00.400 like he literally said in france we have to we have to tighten our belts kind of thing and we
00:33:06.640 have to buy canadian and and for the next little while you know buy canadian buy canadian as soon
00:33:11.600 as the tariffs were lifted everybody's like okay well i'm going back to florida yeah nobody even
00:33:16.480 left florida to come back home like there's a million quebecers in florida right now a million
00:33:21.280 of them million snowbirds and yeah telling me that i'm an albertan and i'm bad and i should
00:33:28.160 be on team canada while you spend six months of the year in florida okay sure like here's a simple
00:33:36.880 little question how much how much the oil you like how much of the gasoline in quebec is canadian
00:33:46.000 about uh about 10 percent it's it's very minuscule by canadian except in this case
00:33:55.760 yeah i mean the the oil in uh i have videos of this because i worked in quebec i mean you see
00:34:01.960 you see the little tankers coming up to saint lawrence right up to quebec city and then they
00:34:06.500 unload their crude there's a refinery in quebec city and there's one in montreal the one in
00:34:10.880 montreal can find a way to get some crude from the u.s but like i said it's taking a torturous
00:34:17.300 pass from canada the ones in quebec city are getting all their crude uh up to the unfrozen
00:34:24.180 section of the saint lawrence and then i love this argument i mean people people in uh people in that
00:34:29.620 part of the world say our oil our gasoline comes from uh irving refinery in saint john new brunswick
00:34:34.900 i'm like okay yeah where did god get it yeah you got me your gasoline is quote unquote
00:34:41.540 made in canada but the raw materials for it came from dude i've had people say well quebec doesn't
00:34:48.900 and buy gasoline the refineries do or whatever i'm like oh my god like people oh please yeah
00:34:54.400 yeah yeah you get the same kind of bullshit where it's like well these peppers were grown in 0.84
00:35:01.480 argentina like packed in spain and then like now brought to canada and yeah or they're like they 0.97
00:35:08.700 put a stamp on it they're like yeah they're canadian peppers because we we touched them
00:35:14.060 in one can like at one point of the chain we did something and now they're canadian the food the
00:35:21.360 food industry is terrible for that right like packaged in versus made in versus sourced in like
00:35:27.660 they they play games it's uh yeah i wish we could put a made in canada sticker on the gas pumps or
00:35:35.360 or just where it's made i wish that everybody in in quebec who lifted the nozzle had a little
00:35:41.320 sticker that says you know Qatar uh Saudi Arabia whatever Oman just just show where your gasoline
00:35:48.520 came from yeah yeah I wonder if that would have an effect on on how on people's perceptions because
00:35:53.940 I mean I don't know what the what the average Quebecer believes but you gotta think that like
00:35:59.400 even even the most like you know anti-Albertan Quebecer would would still probably prefer Alberta
00:36:06.620 oil to saudi oil right like you'd have to think that they've been yes you'd have to think they
00:36:14.300 would they don't they've been they've been so they've been conditioned to not even think about
00:36:21.240 the fact that they're burning gasoline yeah like they they they they they justify burning gasoline
00:36:29.260 by saying well we're pretty green on everything else like i have like for them burning gasoline
00:36:35.380 in a car is just a uh what's the word it's just a necessary evil and and and um at this point for
00:36:45.220 them whether it came from canada or us or uh saudi arabia is irrelevant for them both are bad and so
00:36:52.560 since they're both bad i'll take the one that's closest to us that's literally their way of
00:36:57.400 thinking about it they've they've justified it in their heads i mean like i talk about this all the
00:37:02.060 time i i tweet about this about every six months because i love picking on quebecers like you know 1.00
00:37:07.100 and um like they buy more they buy more trucks than albertans do like is that right like just
00:37:13.020 oh just in sheer numbers man there's like there's there's nine million quebecers and there's only
00:37:17.660 you know five million albertans so ford sells more f-150s in quebec than they do in alberta
00:37:23.740 and people go oh well that's on a per capita basis i'm like i'm glad you brought that up
00:37:27.580 you guys buy more quebecers buy more gasoline powered vehicles per capita than anywhere else
00:37:32.540 in the country they love cars man they love cars and then and then trucks have outsold cars in
00:37:38.780 quebec since 2014. but but when you show that to them they're not hypocrites those are just
00:37:45.580 necessary evils that there's no replacement we're good because in their mind their their their
00:37:52.620 environmental footprint is uh nine times better than ours because they got electricity that's it
00:37:59.460 like it's it's it's it's argument these are things that feel good on the surface they're done because
00:38:06.100 well like well if we do a b and c then we're we're the good people we're the moral and it's top down
00:38:14.100 you just you kind of like assert what is moral yeah and now it just yeah i just assume that
00:38:20.720 Every Quebecer is driving a 1970s Renault 10.
00:38:25.340 They are actually, not 1970s, but they do, again, they love their cars.
00:38:30.340 Like you go to Quebec City, La Grande Allée in Quebec City,
00:38:33.200 and it's a showcase of beautiful cars.
00:38:35.920 And they tend to drive cars that we don't drive.
00:38:38.980 You will see beautiful Renaults.
00:38:40.840 Like Renault makes nice cars.
00:38:42.420 And you'll see Fiats and all sorts of Italian brands.
00:38:45.680 Europeans, Quebecers drive lots of Sobs. 1.00
00:38:49.400 You drive all over Quebec, man.
00:38:50.720 there's sobs everywhere i imagine right now it's full of deslas and um yeah they'll have to find 1.00
00:38:57.100 a way to convert all those interesting bunch classic cars into uh evs yeah just slap some
00:39:03.020 battery packs on them right somebody's working on that i'm sure yeah yeah well there was a comment
00:39:09.100 earlier i mean on here i wanted to go back to a point you said marty about um uh uh like the
00:39:16.920 general shift towards the center in this uh from the liberal party in the in commentary uh i can't
00:39:22.200 i don't know if i can find the comment are we getting comments can i see the comments or
00:39:25.640 yeah oh there's tons of comments i never even saw that oh cool under the yeah tab it was uh
00:39:31.240 pearly i think uh was the was the um i don't know if it's he or she but was saying um i can't find
00:39:40.640 the comment but just some general idea that uh poliev didn't want any like didn't want to give
00:39:47.160 carny any ammo in like sounding like trump light or anything like that in his comments so that's
00:39:52.520 why he maybe was a little soft on that i actually think and i think we've probably talked about this
00:39:56.800 before that it for the last like year and a half it's felt that poliev has has generally been
00:40:01.980 structuring his discourse around like being as moderate as possible to not scare away potential
00:40:07.940 liberal voters like disillusioned liberal voters do you see much of that in in his reaction to the
00:40:13.700 tariffs yeah 100 like he like you know the only person like i think danielle had a different 0.59
00:40:20.420 stance on tariffs and everybody says uh max had a different stance yeah max you had a different
00:40:24.820 stance but max unfortunately you're just you're just on the margins and uh and poiliev
00:40:30.740 poiliev i'd love i'm not a political strategist but i would love to see poiliev he could have
00:40:40.740 come out i don't think there would have been any harm in him saying how about we just negotiate
00:40:44.900 how about we just meet trump and negotiate with him or or do something different force the hand
00:40:50.740 of the like he could have done something different i think what he did was literally like play
00:40:55.780 exactly the same liberal like there was nothing about his stance that was different from the
00:41:01.900 liberals like nothing so like give me something but he he indistinguishable yeah and the excuse
00:41:09.220 that yeah i would love to sorry it was chatty it was chatty lumpkin not pearly but pearly's been
00:41:14.120 making good comments too sorry james go ahead there there's definitely been some good comments
00:41:18.140 in general um i would love to do a test where we take some of the statements on tariffs from each
00:41:25.140 leader of the political party hide the names and then see people can actually tell who said what
00:41:33.140 because they are not that different what's the conservative take on this you could do that on
00:41:38.000 tariffs and you could actually do that on every liberal candidate right now that's running for
00:41:43.240 the liberal leadership right i mean oh we're going to can the carbon tax we're going to recon we're
00:41:48.420 going to lower taxes we're reversing our policy on uh on the inclusion rate for uh capital gains
00:41:54.580 like god i haven't like the the they are all going down this dude it i i posted about this
00:42:03.440 the other day you know i i joined the liberal party okay i admit it i joined the liberal party
00:42:08.160 and so i'm getting your first folks yeah yeah and and by the way you can come audit me i don't have
00:42:14.680 a conservative party of canada membership so you can come audit me yeah that's a ten thousand dollar
00:42:19.940 fine apparently the only membership that i have is i belong to the alberta conservative party
00:42:24.760 because i live here but otherwise anyways so now i'm getting all these um these correspondences
00:42:31.660 from from the liberals and i got one from karina ghoul the other day and it said something like
00:42:37.180 you know i'm not going to be i'm i'm liberal i'm not going to be conservative light and and i'm
00:42:43.900 like oh my dear like no your statement is actually very conservative light as much as you like us
00:42:49.460 you know there's no one was worried yeah no one's worried and then and then i'm like i'm only it's
00:42:54.960 only a matter of time before like that's what i've been criticizing pierre don't be conservative
00:43:00.260 light or liberal light or whatever you want to call it be conservative yeah and and and again
00:43:07.120 i'm not a political uh strategist but being conservative seems to work in places like
00:43:13.980 alberta and it's worked in florida and north dakota or whatever like um yeah it's uh well
00:43:22.040 that'd be a fun game we need to do oh i'm gonna do that on twitter tomorrow man like who said
00:43:26.760 this i'm gonna put out quotes put a poll out yeah yeah yeah pearly says yeah with with trump's
00:43:32.900 ascendancy it would be safer for him to be a tad bit more conservative and i i would agree i mean
00:43:37.440 like look at look at from last year like what was what was paulia's arguably most popular moment 1.00
00:43:44.340 was when he was eating that apple and giving that reporter shit for asking a stupid question 0.99
00:43:49.380 extremely trump-like in in his delivery very like that sort of adversarial relationship with 1.00
00:43:55.540 like a shit lib reporter that's perfect he should lean into that like people love that
00:43:59.740 i found a great video online today on youtube and uh i can't remember the name of the guy but i i 0.88
00:44:05.980 posted it on twitter and uh it's an american who who uh i guess went to davos last week and he heard
00:44:14.540 trump by video conference and and in this video the guy says like you know when he when he first
00:44:20.380 started hearing trump he thought oh my god they're gonna they're gonna do everything to destroy him
00:44:24.860 here in davos and he's like and then the question and answer came out and then and then all of a
00:44:29.820 sudden um everybody was like literally applauding trump trump because trump said you know um i'm
00:44:36.700 gonna i'm gonna lower taxes i'm gonna kick start my economy i'm gonna start burning natural more
00:44:43.100 oil i'm gonna become energy independent i'm gonna secure my border and he just went on and on and
00:44:49.580 and then and then he's like the the commentator said everybody in davos who a week ago hated him
00:44:56.300 now secretly admired him that was his sort of um his his his conclusion and he's like trump was a
00:45:05.100 bit of a paradox but when he thought about he's like no they're basically admitting they're
00:45:10.540 basically admitting and that what they they the um the the woke revolution and and the net zero
00:45:17.580 green revolution in europe failed miserably yeah and the guys at davos are looking for an excuse
00:45:23.740 to finally say this failed and to your point trump uh poiliev has it like what what what trump said
00:45:31.980 in davos pierre we've told you the exact same thing the way out of our mess because it's a mess right
00:45:37.500 now so what trump's going are while he is going to have to cut government cut taxes um start paying
00:45:44.940 down the debt do all those things and and instead of adopting these real austerity measures you can
00:45:53.180 make that hard pill easier to swallow if you kickstart the economy yeah and and i think that's
00:45:59.180 the path you know people people who really are analyzing trump are saying that he is 100
00:46:06.460 well-intentioned that's what he wants to do kickstart the american economy fix this mess
00:46:12.140 and go further start paying down the debt and really really restore the economy so yeah well
00:46:18.860 yeah man like become trump's best friend yeah like so well lean into it i mean like he's making
00:46:25.000 yeah trump is making like what the like europe has well this is a whole other live stream but
00:46:32.800 europe has so many problems but the the number one of which is that they've they've suffered from
00:46:38.580 like a 200 as bad as like north american liberals of of their of like not having any sort of national
00:46:45.240 identity and like like self-flagellating before they would ever have a national identity and
00:46:49.880 trump is making nationalism cool again he's giving he's giving license to other people
00:46:55.460 to just admit that you're a nationalist and you you you put the interests of your country and 0.90
00:47:01.460 your citizens above that of the global interests that don't give a shit about your country and 0.53
00:47:06.740 it's like that's perfect that's exactly what these countries are needing right now to like
00:47:11.600 kickstart this kind of, like you say,
00:47:13.760 kickstart a little bit of a, okay, we're going to
00:47:16.080 localize it. The whole idea of
00:47:17.440 what did
00:47:20.020 Klaus Schwab say?
00:47:21.780 We've infiltrated the
00:47:23.540 governments around the world.
00:47:26.020 And then he bragged about Trudeau
00:47:27.960 and he bragged about
00:47:29.360 Arlen or whatever her name is.
00:47:31.760 What's her name in New Zealand?
00:47:34.640 Jacinda Ardern or something.
00:47:35.960 Jacinda Arlen and then Merkel
00:47:37.800 and he named them all, right? They're all
00:47:39.800 failed ideologists the post-national state um you know we talked about this on the show like look
00:47:46.520 at what we did in our own country man like we're a small great country that historically punched
00:47:51.720 above its weight class and we were good at uh extracting resources we didn't worry about too
00:47:58.120 much about manufacturing we extracted resources and we sold them to the rest of the world and
00:48:02.680 and uh and we made a good living and somewhere along the way we convinced ourselves of what we
00:48:08.280 were doing was dirty and bad i mean i posted about this last week look at the five largest
00:48:14.520 corporations in the u.s and look at the five largest corporations in canada like the five
00:48:19.720 large ten of the five of the ten largest corporations in canada are banks banks the
00:48:26.760 whole world can do banking and that's what trump's pissed off about because the whole world can do
00:48:31.400 banking we're not he's not even allowed to bank in our country but we're allowed to bank in his
00:48:36.280 country and and yeah like where's our real value our five largest five of the ten largest companies
00:48:43.320 are banks man god it should be the potash companies it should be the oil companies it should be like
00:48:49.960 we shot ourselves in the foot and germany and european countries like i haven't been to europe
00:48:54.680 in four or five years i'm almost afraid to go to europe because i'm probably going to cry if i go
00:48:58.760 to europe and see what you're gonna get arrested you know probably can't even get on a plane but
00:49:04.520 europe is a germany is a massively failed experiment like of their their their transition 0.98
00:49:10.440 to green my god it does tie into the there's been a fear of nationalism and it gets demonized very
00:49:17.400 very quickly but i love tying things back to finding like finding parallels between like
00:49:23.640 looking at a country as a entity but also looking at like well what of our what about
00:49:29.240 our family units or our personal lives and usually like you you hear this advice of like
00:49:36.880 get your house in order and get your life in order before you try to fix the world
00:49:40.700 clean your room clean your room jordan peterson yeah like if you are if you do not have the
00:49:47.680 capacity to even like hold yourself up and go through your daily lives how do you expect to
00:49:53.440 contribute or save other people and the same can be said for a country if you don't have enough
00:49:59.920 nationalistic or enough of a canada first spirit to make sure people are doing well in canada
00:50:07.660 how can you be properly contributing to this globe like how can you be saving the world
00:50:14.640 if we can't even save canadians first and i i see what like it's it's such a simple concept
00:50:22.140 but it's it's it's lost on people oh well now we're going to get into a bit of uh i'm willing
00:50:30.920 to go down this sort of rabbit hole i mean there are some people that say you know the destruction
00:50:35.780 that was that was um uh thrown at us is legit is intentional i get that i get that right i mean
00:50:42.780 because to your point there's there's comments that have been made by trudeau some days where
00:50:46.880 just go holy like you know he was he very recently like about two weeks ago he was at a conference
00:50:52.560 somewhere and and um somebody was like how can you know making the argument that when somebody's
00:51:00.160 starving they really don't care about you know climate change right and which is which is you
00:51:07.520 like what's the order of uh order of needs right like oh maslow's uh yeah and so so then trudeau
00:51:14.320 brings that out and then he's like you know what it's my job as a leader to make sure to to to
00:51:20.960 sort of overrules canadians if i sorry that they're starving but the bigger picture here is
00:51:25.680 we need to save the planet and i'm i'm the moral compass and i'll make sure we still save the
00:51:30.960 planet even though they're starving like he was like when you dissect him when he's talking like
00:51:35.760 that you go man you are great like either you're completely brainwashed or you're completely 0.71
00:51:40.320 compromise and there's a bigger like i hate you know i've talked to you guys about this i've talked 0.57
00:51:44.720 to this a lot of people i hate thinking about conspiracies because i'm an engineer and i know
00:51:50.320 that just you know just just just doing a compressor station building you know spending
00:51:55.840 six million dollars building something is stressful and i need to coordinate i have people
00:52:00.000 that lose sleep over it and i have to convince them that we'll get through this so coordinating
00:52:04.720 humans to do something is a lot of work so when i hear people talk about these weird huge
00:52:09.920 conspiracies i lose interest i lose not i i don't lose interest but i'm skeptical but then i get
00:52:17.600 somebody who'll remind me that say well yeah but you know one or two people can change the whole
00:52:23.840 room and make uh you know germany is an example so the yeah litmus test is um you you play the
00:52:31.840 game of like okay if every option if every action seems like it's the inverse of any competent
00:52:39.360 person then that's not like that's not that's not just that's not accidental that is statistically
00:52:47.300 yeah yeah it's hard to like really be that terrible when you're like it feels like there's
00:52:55.140 something else going on if they are doing the inverse yeah it's the it's the um yeah when
00:53:02.980 you're the only person on the train with a mask and there's 400 other people without a mask and
00:53:08.180 you say you guys are all wrong it's a pretty rare occasion where you're correct in that assessment
00:53:14.740 but yeah um yeah i i don't i don't like to believe in conspiracy theories that said uh what are we
00:53:22.280 batting on conspiracy theories in this country like we're we're we're nine for nine right now
00:53:26.800 and some of the events of the last uh decade have you know we we have uh bugs coming in food in
00:53:34.900 europe now yeah yeah yeah no that's a conspiracy the the the like when you say litmus test james
00:53:41.280 the the test that i like to use is uh if somebody is if somebody with a huge platform like either
00:53:49.400 funded by a media company or a you know a some special interest group or some government official
00:53:56.320 is specifically telling me that i shouldn't be talking about or saying something or listening
00:54:01.680 to people who say certain things i pretty much know that that thing was 100 correct that's that's
00:54:07.180 what i go for if somebody if somebody with influence is saying you can't say this that's
00:54:12.220 probably because it's true if there's money behind it yeah uh frank what's frank's name from uh
00:54:18.960 ecos polls right now like frank is the the lone voice in the wilderness telling everybody that
00:54:23.840 the liberals are back in the lead okay thanks frank yeah yeah yeah he's trying so hard man
00:54:31.100 he's trying so hard yeah and and uh so you yeah you have a litmus test or you know what do we call
00:54:38.760 it like our spidey senses i mean it's weird how our spidey senses have been knocked down right
00:54:43.660 people like i hear stuff all the time and i go oh that doesn't sound right or that that can't be
00:54:48.560 correct even today somebody sent me some some statistics from from the u.s showing uh that
00:54:55.080 americans were investing a lot of money at you at one of the universities and like it was a billion
00:55:00.660 bucks i'm like that's that's the uh that's like three times the annual budget of the school being
00:55:06.180 invested by the americans i think we would have known about that a while ago like there's a
00:55:09.540 decimal place wrong somewhere there or it's over the last 10 years something like that so uh i i
00:55:16.100 can't help myself that's what i do all the time i just i just question stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:55:21.620 did you hear how um uh is it usaid like is that how you say that like that that department that
00:55:27.220 they're dismantling did you see that i saw i read something today that uh the american
00:55:31.940 government is like the biggest financer of the british of the bbc like why oh i don't doubt it
00:55:39.860 yeah the that's like so strange when the money gets funneled through multiple entities
00:55:44.980 it just we have our own wash at some point yeah yeah we have our own uh we have our there's a
00:55:50.020 lady on twitter naya i don't i never know how to pronounce her last name but she she spends a lot 0.97
00:55:56.900 lot of time going you know this is all public information right like all these weird funds
00:56:01.500 that you and i could apply to i mean you and i could apply to and get thirty thousand dollars
00:56:05.980 to study uh you know do goldfish get drunk drinking uh bourbon like somebody will give
00:56:11.760 you 30 we should do that study yeah we should and yeah you know like uh anyways she naya does that 1.00
00:56:18.400 all the time she uh yeah that lady uh yeah fanner still naya fanner still and so she's often going 0.99
00:56:26.120 into that website you know we each have our like i like to go to the i like to go to um to the
00:56:33.240 statistics canada website and she likes to go to one of these and find these weird studies and
00:56:37.400 she's uncovered some doozies like we're no we're no we're no i i i look at this at the macro level
00:56:44.840 at the absolute macro level in the canadian budget there's a category at the bottom worth 86 billion
00:56:51.320 dollars called miscellaneous transfers like when you when you like the budget's so big right the
00:56:56.040 budget could be like 50 pages long so it's condensed in and when you condense it into three pages
00:57:03.080 something that's manageable there's an 86 billion dollar box at the bottom called miscellaneous
00:57:09.320 transfers and man that is the slush fund of all slush funds like that's that's money to ukraine 0.54
00:57:16.920 that's money for every every pet project and yeah and yeah i like what's the um what's what's the
00:57:25.080 what's trump's new press secretary what's her name um i can't have her name she's a pistol 0.98
00:57:30.120 we're gonna eventually we'll all remember her name because she's uh she's she's good hey
00:57:35.000 he's 27 years old man like that's one thing carolyn levitt yeah yeah so yeah she was holding
00:57:41.080 that up like the guys from doge give her the stuff and she's the one reading it going like
00:57:45.160 here 90 uh yeah you know 90 90 uh 50 million dollars to uh you you might get in trouble if
00:57:54.040 you play it like every one of her clips are fantastic or do you get you won't get censored
00:57:58.520 for playing yeah don't worry about it yeah um like she she uncovered one the other day like
00:58:03.880 they were sending 50 million dollars to gaza for condoms oh yeah and like the like i think it wasn't
00:58:10.920 i plays and stuff think it wasn't exclusively for condoms but like they were not part of the aids
00:58:17.220 but uh or part part of the aid aid package what i what i wanted to touch on is we when we were
00:58:25.520 talking about tariffs and we're talking about the potential impact that like 25 has yeah when it
00:58:32.700 comes to it like Canadians started caring so much about that yet there seems to be
00:58:40.020 no unifying voice when it comes to like well what's the impact of inter-provincial restrictions
00:58:48.040 carbon taxes or any of the additional taxes that we just pay just on our normal day-to-day
00:58:57.980 we are paying a handful of taxes so in this one case oh these tariffs that's a tax that's bad
00:59:05.100 and now people don't seem to put that same lens back towards their cells to analyze what's
00:59:13.260 happening in canada so okay cool uh yeah i tried to get a little traction on that so one of the
00:59:20.260 things i did um is i so we we we trade we traded in 2022 or 2023 we traded 700 billion dollars to
00:59:30.420 the u.s so then i just did a table and i did 25 percent tariffs 110 so the tariffs amounted to
00:59:37.540 125 billion dollars okay now technically the americans were going to pay that but once the
00:59:43.900 tariffs are imposed on the americans what's supposed to happen is either they find a new
00:59:48.920 market so we lose the 125 billion dollars of trade or they they squeeze us and and and they
00:59:56.680 narrow it so let's so the amount of money we looked to lose only on the americans imposing
01:00:03.000 their tariffs would be 125 south maybe anywhere in between there right our government our government
01:00:12.920 spends two billion dollars a week on debt servicing interest debt servicing so yeah yes to your point
01:00:23.320 like the 125 billion dollars that's uh that's two years of interest on our debt our government
01:00:29.960 spends our government accumulates debt it's not even paying the debt it's that's just the interest
01:00:35.880 on the debt our government is accumulating this year officially 72 billion dollars it probably
01:00:44.520 will end up at 90 by the time the parliamentary budget officer finishes doing their math
01:00:49.800 so we're not worried about that 90. yeah the interprovincial trade barriers we can't even
01:00:55.640 estimate the number you know like a trucking company you can't you there's there's different
01:01:01.640 standards for trucking companies in every province you leave from one province to deliver to another
01:01:06.760 province you have to do paperwork all along the way there get way bills across the place
01:01:12.200 you can't buy alcohol i'm an engineer i have a ring i can't practice in quebec or any other
01:01:17.720 province even though i'm i'm i'm sanctioned here unless i pay them money to do that um it goes on
01:01:25.000 and on and on yeah and and like our country team canada yes we were worried yeah we were worried
01:01:31.080 about 125 billion dollars we blow that all the time all the time but and that's it now now man
01:01:39.560 you guys are good you're gonna get you going yeah yeah yeah um i do this all day you know welcome
01:01:45.960 to being retired this is what marty and my and my wife's all happy he's like yeah go talk go talk
01:01:53.240 i haven't had a lot i i went all january without a drink marty's having a drink tonight so he's
01:01:58.760 maybe a little bit tipsy but and that was the other thing yesterday so maybe trump wanted to
01:02:07.800 get 125 billion dollars in tariffs do you know how much money the u.s economy lost yesterday just
01:02:13.000 because of the fear the stock market in the u.s yesterday dropped 2.3 percent at the worst point
01:02:19.560 right at the worst point 1.5 trillion dollars in u.s money vaporized and then people say well the
01:02:27.000 market came back up i'm like that's great somebody made money but somewhere along the way yesterday
01:02:33.240 people lost 1.5 trillion freaking dollars so and our government has done silly things like
01:02:39.640 this in the past so in order to recover 125 billion dollars of potential lost money
01:02:45.640 the americans shot themselves in the foot to the tune of 10 times that amount like it's it's it's
01:02:54.520 it's staggering and that's part of the reason i think behind the scenes that is another part of
01:02:59.640 the reason why trump said oh you know like we shouldn't do this but then people say well
01:03:06.200 what's 100 billion what's 100 trillion or what's 1 trillion on a on a 21 trillion dollar economy
01:03:12.440 i'm like that's five percent like that's uh you know i still a trillion dollars yeah yeah
01:03:17.800 do you know who uh do you know who thomas massey is yep yeah you know how he has his little like
01:03:23.960 debt counter badge that he made he like he's an engineer too he's like a computer guy right
01:03:29.700 and he made this whole uh like debt counter that he wears as a lapel pin and it's just constantly
01:03:34.840 it's linked uh to the to the u.s treasury and it like constantly cycles okay updates in real time
01:03:40.700 yeah it's in real time that'd be depressing i was i was listening to him on uh on tucker actually
01:03:46.780 this was a few months ago and um he was saying that he was like looking at it and it was in it
01:03:51.240 was in march or or uh or april or something and instead of just ticking constantly up like for
01:03:56.620 for a couple minutes in in april it actually went down for a second and then it started going back
01:04:01.360 up and that's because everyone was paying their taxes it was tax season and then the debt started
01:04:06.320 coming right back up but i feel like we need one of the like paulio should should ask him to make
01:04:11.080 one for uh for the canadian treasure the canadian taxpayers federation has one on their website they
01:04:16.520 have one on a truck that they drive around once in a while like it's uh it's a big number it's a it's
01:04:22.040 a number that doesn't even make sense to anybody i mean the uh you know the the the just the federal
01:04:27.080 debt on one side is 1.2 trillion dollars and then and then there's uh there's a 600 million dollars
01:04:37.160 or 600 billion in pension debt and people say well that's it's a cpp no that's not the cpp that's
01:04:44.040 federal employee uh pensions that has nothing to do so on the books our government has 1.8 trillion
01:04:50.600 that's just that the federal government if you add up all the provinces the provinces themselves
01:04:55.720 add another three trillion dollars and then you do the municipalities and then you do the average
01:05:00.680 canadian we are we are first or second or third depending on the metric in terms of debt per
01:05:07.240 capita we are absolutely absolutely like eighty thousand dollars per person is that it's a
01:05:14.260 ridiculous number like that yeah yeah you're when your kids are born they're born into debt like it's
01:05:19.220 it's a big number and that's one of the things uh you know i'm again i'm not an economist i know
01:05:26.400 enough to to be harmful but uh trump is wants to address their debt i mean their debt compared to
01:05:32.440 ours like is is is more than 10 times ours and then he's worried about the the the games being
01:05:38.240 played with their currency because the u.s dollar is funded is de facto a reserve currency around
01:05:43.720 the world and stuff like that so he's aware of some problems yeah yeah i i feel like part of
01:05:49.860 this posturing from trump is um so with the dollar being it's a reserve currency and it's a currency
01:05:59.400 that all other countries settle transactions in.
01:06:02.920 But BRICS is growing right now,
01:06:05.060 and you're having more countries using BRICS as a system
01:06:09.060 almost in defiance of the United States and the USD.
01:06:15.160 And I feel like the strength behind Trump
01:06:18.780 is partially helping to reinforce the dollar a little bit more
01:06:23.120 because without the perceived strength,
01:06:25.560 it's backed by oil, it's backed by military strength as well.
01:06:30.280 without a certain amount of perceived strength the trust in the dollar as a reserve currency lowers
01:06:38.280 yeah yeah which which which we're not going to go there but you know the liberals are thinking
01:06:45.240 of electing mark carney as a leader oh my god like when you want to talk about disastrous
01:06:50.680 monetary policy we're we're we're about to get worse so uh no no one from anywhere he's ever
01:06:57.080 done business recommends him as a as a leader he's being installed i don't think i think it's uh
01:07:05.240 i mean the way he's braiding around on the medias and everywhere else i think he's being installed
01:07:09.320 he's pretty confident but then i've seen confident doesn't it yeah but i've seen confident people uh
01:07:14.680 we witnessed it here two years ago i mean uh when i was in uh i was in calgary when the vote was
01:07:20.920 being counted for uh for our election and rachel notley and her team had a weird look on their face
01:07:27.480 like they were like whoa how'd this one slip away from us so uh here's my litmus test with carney
01:07:33.080 nobody just cat nobody who's an outsider who's never been in politics that people didn't like
01:07:41.160 think about like one month ago they didn't even talk about him um nobody gets a spot on the daily
01:07:48.040 show just like that yeah yeah like how do you that's not an accidental that's not a like
01:07:56.920 and he on the show he was claiming like oh i'm just an outsider i'm not in politics
01:08:02.200 so like that is that is not an that was almost yeah and that was almost rehearsed right like it
01:08:10.280 was it was rehearsed and a little bit awkward like pretending you know pretending to be friends and
01:08:15.000 everything else and i'm sure wasn't he isn't he going on there tonight again or soon like he's
01:08:21.240 he's going back for uh for another round yeah that's gonna be you know i'm i'm i'm genuinely
01:08:27.640 surprised well i'm not i mean i i think you know they they wanted carny he has he they're they're
01:08:36.120 using the narrative of fixing the economy but i'm kind of surprised that the liberals did not go
01:08:42.760 uh harder to try and get a female like they're officially the only uh um they're the only 0.94
01:08:51.480 federal party in canada who never had a female leader so but but then yeah they don't want they 1.00
01:08:58.120 don't want freeland she she burned those bridges and uh the other two are too young so you know 0.97
01:09:03.640 there's nobody else willing to step up it's uh just not yeah anyways hot hot take uh trudeau's
01:09:10.440 been feminine enough for the last decade that they're going to balance it out with a little 0.99
01:09:16.600 bit a little bit more masculinity than yeah so they picked mark carney yeah you know and and
01:09:24.520 actually it's it's off topic but we talked about it earlier when we were talking you made me think
01:09:29.080 of something like remember remember when trudeau came in like in 2015 and said we're back like
01:09:34.680 when we're talking about canada punching above its weight class like canada is so irrelevant
01:09:39.960 on the world stage right now that's the other sad thing that that that showed up in all the last
01:09:44.840 couple of weeks i mean i asked people i actually asked people in the u.s i have a little bit of
01:09:49.640 family in the u.s like are you guys talking about us not even they're not even talking about us like
01:09:55.080 trump's talking about us and so a bunch of people went like canada but we're not we're not on the
01:10:00.120 world stage man we're just gone like we we we have a lot of rebuilding to do a lot of rebuilding
01:10:06.360 yeah yeah canada has a uh um i've heard this from multiple people like expats and i've i've read
01:10:15.120 this online a lot that people have a like canadians have a very oversized uh like a completely a
01:10:22.660 complete misapprehension about how influential we think we are on the world stage like no one 0.97
01:10:27.540 gives a shit like no we're the place with the hockey and the maple syrup like that's that's 0.98
01:10:33.140 pretty much it watch the body language with trudeau and any like any gatherings of leaders and you 1.00
01:10:39.800 can see who they respect and there's a difference like you don't have to like somebody to either
01:10:45.160 think they're competent or respect the outcomes that they're able to produce and i feel like with
01:10:51.660 trump there's a underlying like maybe there's a little bit of hatred maybe there's a little bit
01:10:57.160 fear but there is a certain amount of respect for the energy behind that and you don't see the same
01:11:04.920 respect going to trudeau you don't see it with body language you don't see it with handshakes
01:11:09.320 or acknowledgements like nobody on the world stage respects him yeah i like it yeah like some
01:11:15.560 of the you know jordan peterson describes trudeau as peter pan syndrome or whatever i mean um yeah
01:11:22.520 like when you know when trudeau would prance around stage with his socks like who who told
01:11:28.360 him that's a good idea like even like i yeah that's that's what he was doing right like that's
01:11:33.560 that's not substance man you do that when you have no substance and and to me if you walk into
01:11:38.920 a room with the fancy socks you're literally signaling to the whole room i have no substance
01:11:45.240 i mean if you're the right right right person you could walk in and it just signals hey man
01:11:51.640 like i'm i got extreme strength but that that wasn't him like that's not him you know like
01:11:57.320 don cherry if don cherry walks into the room after a decade with his funny outfits we don't
01:12:03.080 we don't like you and i walking in a room dressed like john don cherry no it doesn't go for don it
01:12:09.080 does but um for most of us walking in a room with our fancy socks and sitting down cross-legged or
01:12:16.520 like nah god give it up oh yeah i can't wait till he's gone i honestly like i i mean i'm still not
01:12:23.480 celebrating when he announced he was resigning or intending to resign i i i had a brief moment of of
01:12:30.040 of uh happiness but i won't be happy until he's absolutely gone yeah and and and and that i mean
01:12:37.480 we're going all over the place tonight but um i'm i'm genuinely curious to see he hasn't said much
01:12:44.120 after a day a day later like it's been 24 hours since the tariffs um i'm still curious to see if
01:12:51.000 he's gonna do anything without reconvening government i think he's gonna wait there's
01:12:56.040 an interesting case right the center for the jace um what's the jcc whatever the yeah jccf or
01:13:04.040 something yeah yeah there is that for constitutional freedoms yeah they're they're they're um they're
01:13:10.280 hearing uh in the um you know they they get they get they got a hearing scheduled on the 13th and
01:13:17.560 14th next week to to to have uh they're going to try to get prorogation declared as uh illegal so
01:13:25.880 i think trudeau won't do anything until that and he's got his hands full right now there is that
01:13:30.280 um that um what exactly is going on with the um the emergency measures act there's a there's a
01:13:38.840 there's a there's a case in uh in ontario around that as well yeah he's got it is it currently
01:13:45.480 getting appealed the uh it's getting appealed he's trying to appeal it and uh and we'll see
01:13:53.400 where that goes but yeah what else has he got he's got a bunch of things going that's another
01:13:59.080 silly thing right like we are in a like think of the situation we just we just dodged a bullet i
01:14:06.680 think we dodged a bullet i mean it could have gotten ugly right like the trump could have said
01:14:10.120 now tariffs are going blah blah blah and and we dodged a bullet because right now we have nobody in
01:14:17.000 parliament and and in our largest province ontario is also in the middle of an election like god what
01:14:24.120 uh like we're so vulnerable right now it's insane but we're lucky we we dodged a bullet well that's
01:14:30.200 it and maybe to like you know we've been going at it here for about an hour and 15 maybe to just sort
01:14:35.640 you know some final thoughts on the tariffs is you know if if i were in trump's shoes i mean like
01:14:42.800 this is a i'm actually surprised that he did decide to to give the break like maybe maybe it
01:14:48.860 has to do with what mexico you know agreed to earlier and earlier in the day yesterday maybe
01:14:53.520 he was feeling generous i don't know but like if i'm trump looking at that canada right now i mean
01:14:58.720 we are a we're a leaderless government out of session country like this is that's prime
01:15:06.100 vulnerability like i mean if you if you want to take a view that the you know when trump talks
01:15:12.080 about you know he's said it four or five times now in you know making canada the 51st state like
01:15:16.680 if you want to you know see from it from his perspective of like if you're thinking about
01:15:21.280 vulnerabilities from maybe china or russia or you know asian you know influence um we're we're 0.99
01:15:28.700 a liability and we're we're their biggest neighbor we're a porous border i mean i get it i get it if
01:15:35.300 you want to be tough on us because like we're we're kind of a joke right now yeah yeah okay
01:15:40.900 yeah i thought you were going to say maybe cut us some slack you know i'd be like
01:15:43.940 that's where i thought you were going where you'd you'd pounce you know if you're if you're looking
01:15:49.420 at it from a you know a cutthroat ceo perspective like trump might like this is when you're when
01:15:55.320 your enemies that are you're not your enemy but when your adversary in some ways at their weakest
01:15:59.980 point that's when you pounce we might have been too weak he might have said uh this is not even
01:16:04.240 fair game i'm gonna i'm gonna give you some slack i mean took pity yeah he took a bit of pity on us
01:16:09.380 on the flip side uh i looked at what he accomplished in the last three weeks i'm like
01:16:15.400 bravo trump like bravo right i mean you got into power we did 100 executive orders maybe more than
01:16:22.760 100 um you know you you you signed out of the the paris accord you fired anybody in a dei position
01:16:30.520 you you sent troops at the border you got mexico to cave you got panama to cave you got colombia
01:16:37.080 colombia sent their own jets to come and get their elite and bring them back you sent the plane to
01:16:42.360 i still don't know why he sent the plane to um he sent his son to um greenland i think that was
01:16:47.640 part of the showmanship because yeah i'm pretty sure the guys in greenland are like isn't that
01:16:51.880 trump's plane what's it doing here right like that was just showmanship and who's that guy getting
01:16:56.280 off it yeah he got us to cave like and i asked that question legitimately i'm like wow he accomplished
01:17:02.600 a whole bunch of things now he's got 30 days i think and i said is he gonna go golfing for 30
01:17:08.440 days or is he now just gonna turn his attention to the really good stuff right because like we
01:17:13.240 said earlier like he sent a clear message to everybody you know i'm willing to do this to my
01:17:19.080 neighbors think what i'll do to you so i think now in the next 30 days he's gonna go he's gonna go
01:17:25.640 get a peace accord in ukraine he's gonna go sign a deal with germany for lng
01:17:30.360 he's gonna i don't know reverse brexit he's gonna get putin to to shake hands with whatever he's
01:17:37.160 gonna get china to sign a deal he's gonna well they just bought gaza he's gonna raise the titanic
01:17:43.720 and put it in a museum so we can all go look at it and uh like like you know what's left to do
01:17:49.720 trump like he's just gonna like bravo man like bravo actually i love what he did in the last
01:17:55.080 couple of weeks because even even this week i still had people saying like what do you expect
01:18:00.360 us to do things take time i'm like okay stop with that excuse look at what that guy just did yeah
01:18:06.360 like yeah you know doesn't take that much time no no it only takes time if you don't have the
01:18:12.040 the political will to get it done faster or it was able to do the things within the context and he
01:18:18.280 acted upon the things that he was able to change so that that's the key is like if you can put
01:18:25.000 something in motion he just used the executive order as that tool and every president does when
01:18:30.440 they come in so he just he was very decisive and very he quick acting on those and he doesn't have
01:18:37.760 to worry about you know he's he's not at uh you know oh no he's not gonna be popular by the end 0.95
01:18:42.700 of his term who gives a shit he's not up for re-election so i mean he he wants a little bit 0.79
01:18:46.760 of legacy and i was thinking about that too like is his leg like if he if he gets ukraine and russia 0.98
01:18:53.180 to sign a piece of court that's legacy if you you like do you need a chunk of territory like do you
01:18:58.820 need to say i added the 51st state tell you what trump work with elon and land more americans on
01:19:05.840 the moon man and then land americans on mars on your turn boom legacy solved like done go go with
01:19:12.840 that one go with that one yeah leave us alone making that speech right oh yeah hey we're gonna
01:19:17.620 get you talking about the moon again and then we're gonna be another half hour and yeah you
01:19:21.740 know that we're not going down there yeah we're good we can do this every week almost i love
01:19:26.800 talking to you guys this is awesome let's do it man that's awesome well hey marty man always a
01:19:31.660 pleasure always such a pleasure we really appreciate you taking the time uh this is great
01:19:35.720 i think uh i mean we have a you know we're at about 3,700 people watching here and and they're
01:19:41.500 about 3,600 of them are for you so that's uh people are gonna get tired of hearing me i might
01:19:46.960 need to i might need to go on a vacation somewhere i've been on a lot of yeah well hopefully we
01:19:52.260 we got you down a few rabbit holes that you wouldn't um get down just normally so cool
01:19:58.900 awesome hey let's do this in a month anyways let's do it put it in the calendar in a month
01:20:04.980 when the deadline is up uh we'll have lots to talk about i'm sure yes we will yes we will
01:20:10.220 all right cool thanks everyone for watching appreciate the comments cheers everyone cheers