The Culture War - Tim Pool - America's Obesity & Health Crisis, MAKE AMERICA HEALTHY AGAIN w⧸ Dr. Robert Malone, Del Bigtree, & Tristian Scott

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00:00:58.160 Ladies and gentlemen, I'm a big fan of Maha.

00:01:06.760 When the whole Maha thing happened, RFK Jr.'s campaign,

00:01:09.560 everything he was talking about with environmental toxins,

00:01:11.600 that's 10 out of 10, 100%, 11 out of 10.

00:01:13.940 I was like, this is what I'm talking about.

00:01:15.520 This is what we need.

00:01:16.700 So you get a Donald Trump administration, you get RFK Jr.

00:01:19.260 I'm a big fan.

00:01:19.860 You get Tulsi Gabbard.

00:01:20.600 Wow, Elon Musk, man.

00:01:22.560 Talk about the whole package.

00:01:25.140 So obviously, if you guys have followed the show,

00:01:29.620 the things we've talked about with health,

00:01:31.660 I'm always talking about some crazy thing or another,

00:01:33.980 and I'm not even the craziest.

00:01:35.480 You guys ever listen to that Luke Rutkowski guy over at We Are Change?

00:01:38.760 He wears crystals, coffee enemas.

00:01:41.200 I don't even know what's going on with all that.

00:01:42.300 Look, I'm just trying to get better sleep,

00:01:44.300 finding the right diet, exercising,

00:01:45.960 and making sure I'm doing everything I can to be the best version of myself.

00:01:48.400 That being said, we got a lot of stuff to talk about.

00:01:51.500 They're killing chickens. 1.00

00:01:53.660 Needless to say, I was mortified when I heard

00:01:55.740 that the Biden administration was killing chickens,

00:01:58.300 because you know how I feel about chickens.

00:01:59.680 They're great.

00:02:00.840 But there's fear of bird flu.

00:02:02.760 We now have this big fear of measles.

00:02:05.200 There's controversy around RFK Jr. statements on the MMR vaccine,

00:02:08.360 which I think is largely fake,

00:02:10.420 and questions about why Americans are so morbidly obese.

00:02:15.000 What has caused this?

00:02:16.340 And I certainly have a lot of ideas.

00:02:17.380 So the first thing I'm going to say is,

00:02:19.620 as always, I'm not a doctor,

00:02:22.820 and I recommend you don't get medical advice from podcasts,

00:02:25.880 especially from a guy like me who just reads stuff on the Internet

00:02:27.880 and complains about it.

00:02:29.260 Find a doctor you trust.

00:02:30.560 Get second opinions if you think you need to,

00:02:32.140 but always take your advice from trusted medical professionals.

00:02:34.780 Literally, that's what I do.

00:02:36.260 And we're going to have some opinions, thoughts, stories, views

00:02:40.680 from a cultural and political standpoint,

00:02:43.960 and scientific and research and all that stuff.

00:02:45.720 But your health is your health, man.

00:02:48.200 So you've got to make sure when you're addressing your health needs,

00:02:51.160 someone tells you.

00:02:51.980 Because I can sit here and say things like,

00:02:54.240 you know, I've talked about, oh, I cut the carbs down.

00:02:56.520 You know, I was doing keto for a while.

00:02:57.900 Yeah, diabetics can't do that.

00:02:59.200 So obviously I'm not trying to talk to every individual.

00:03:01.500 Specifically, what I am trying to say, me personally,

00:03:03.800 is you guys should seek good advice on how you can improve your health.

00:03:06.280 And we're going to talk about the bigger picture here,

00:03:08.320 what RFK Jr. is bringing, what the administration is bringing.

00:03:11.140 And there's a lot of stuff to talk about,

00:03:12.700 particularly around RFK Jr.'s views on the MMR vaccine

00:03:17.360 and now with the measles outbreak.

00:03:20.020 There's a really funny video showing how the Brady Bunch handled measles

00:03:23.700 versus how law and order handles measles.

00:03:26.400 And then, of course, really big news, it's fascinating,

00:03:28.540 is West Virginia has banned artificial dyes.

00:03:32.020 So that could have a major effect nationwide.

00:03:34.780 We're going to go over all of this stuff to the best of our abilities.

00:03:37.540 We've got a great panel today.

00:03:38.820 Why don't we start over here with you, good sir?

00:03:40.720 Hey, I'm Del Bigtree.

00:03:42.080 I was director of communications for Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:03:44.740 He was running for president.

00:03:47.160 I was with him when he was a Democrat.

00:03:49.160 I was with him when he switched to being independent.

00:03:50.980 And I was there when he was making the decision

00:03:53.520 whether or not to join President Trump.

00:03:55.680 And we've all seen how that turned out.

00:03:58.140 My background, I was a CBS producer on the daytime talk show,

00:04:01.320 with the doctors.

00:04:02.040 I won an Emmy Award as a journalist,

00:04:04.880 celebrating the best the science and medicine has to offer.

00:04:07.580 I got into an investigation to vaccines

00:04:10.220 and made a documentary about it called Vaxxed,

00:04:13.020 which I think a lot of people credit with sort of igniting

00:04:16.100 this medical freedom movement around the world.

00:04:18.260 And I do a weekly talk show online like you, thehighwire.com.

00:04:23.560 Right on.

00:04:24.240 Well, thanks for hanging out.

00:04:25.320 We have this fine gentleman here, sir.

00:04:27.800 I'm Robert Malone.

00:04:28.820 I actually am a physician and a scientist.

00:04:32.560 So I'm licensed in the state of Maryland.

00:04:35.060 And let's see, how do I give a comparable backgrounder to Del here,

00:04:41.620 who I consider a friend for many years now.

00:04:45.100 I guess talking about Bobby,

00:04:46.880 I got to know Bobby pretty well when he called me to ask some questions

00:04:52.100 as he was building this book called The Real Anthony Fauci.

00:04:54.820 And then he asked me to do extensive editing on it twice.

00:04:59.800 I've also written a couple of books,

00:05:01.900 The Lies of My Government Told Me and The Better Future Coming

00:05:04.200 and Psywar, Enforcing the New World Order. 0.78

00:05:09.780 My story that kind of catapulted me out into the public space

00:05:15.420 was that for years I'd been working in biodefense and in academe.

00:05:23.000 I actually am a vaccine developer and a vaccine innovator.

00:05:28.920 I was the guy that originally came up with the idea of using RNA for vaccines.

00:05:33.540 And I guess the shocker was that I also spoke out quite strongly about the bioethics

00:05:39.880 of what was going down with the whole COVID crisis.

00:05:46.000 And in particular started answering a lot of questions about the mRNA technology

00:05:53.940 and raising my own concerns about that tech

00:05:58.220 and what was being observed in the data concerning the safety and effectiveness of that.

00:06:04.320 And that led to just a barrage of attacks from corporate media,

00:06:11.160 Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Washington Post, Atlantic Monthly, etc.

00:06:17.240 and led me down the path of trying to understand how modern media is working

00:06:24.460 and these topics like psychological warfare and fifth-generation warfare.

00:06:30.500 We write a podcast daily.

00:06:33.620 I'm sorry, a substack daily.

00:06:36.420 And sometimes I do five or six podcasts a day, but I don't have one of my own.

00:06:41.340 Well, right on.

00:06:42.120 Thanks for hanging out.

00:06:43.040 It should be interesting.

00:06:43.640 We have one more gentleman here.

00:06:45.360 Yeah, tough person to follow there.

00:06:46.760 My name is Tristan Scott.

00:06:48.560 I'm an electrical engineer by training and could say an expert

00:06:53.180 or talk often online about the electromagnetic aspects of our biology and our environment,

00:06:58.320 things like light, EMFs, and I'm now head of operations for a tech startup called Daylight Computer.

00:07:04.680 And our whole mission is to build healthier, less stimulating, less addicting technology

00:07:09.040 and get people back into the real world, which we like to say is outside.

00:07:13.400 So, yeah, over the past six, seven years kind of transformed my beliefs and understandings

00:07:20.820 about what actually matters from a health perspective.

00:07:23.140 And for me, it really comes back to trying to get back to a natural living in a modern world.

00:07:29.000 So, yeah, thanks for having me.

00:07:30.320 You know, speaking of light and stuff, you know, I don't necessarily want to start right here,

00:07:34.320 but there was one thing that really fascinated me that I had no idea, and I'm sure all of you did,

00:07:37.480 is you mentioned light and how it affects people and the electromagnetic spectrum and things like that.

00:07:43.020 Obviously, I knew about blue light, you know, melatonin stimulation with, you know, red light.

00:07:47.800 I've got this headset that glows orange before bed.

00:07:50.740 But recently I became a dad, and everybody won't stop hearing about it.

00:07:54.220 That's what happens when people have kids.

00:07:55.380 But they offered up blue light therapy as a precaution for jaundice, babies who are bilirubin building up in the blood.

00:08:05.860 That didn't happen to my child, but they said, you know, we can wait and see if the baby becomes jaundice.

00:08:15.820 It's not.

00:08:16.200 The baby's fine.

00:08:17.220 And then we were like, why don't we just do blue light?

00:08:18.840 Is it bad?

00:08:19.440 And I was surprised to see, because it never occurred to me, literally they put a baby under a blue light.

00:08:26.000 That's it.

00:08:26.800 And they put a little blindfold on the baby.

00:08:28.700 And the blue light has an effect on the bilirubin in the blood, which makes it, it transforms it into a different particle or whatever, I don't know, protein or something, making it easier to remove.

00:08:39.220 And that kind of blew my mind, because I never actually thought about light actually affects the things in your blood.

00:08:46.000 And at hospitals, they literally have blue lights to change things in your blood.

00:08:52.700 So people really don't consider how your screens, your TVs, how it's affecting your brain, your blood, your body.

00:08:59.820 And so when we're getting along, when we're setting up the show, it's like, what should we talk about?

00:09:04.180 There's all these things.

00:09:04.780 There's the bird flu, the culling of the chickens.

00:09:06.540 And there's this war on the health of human beings, essentially, that I'm not saying literally there's evil people twirling their mustaches and being like, how can we harm as many people as possible?

00:09:18.560 But we've built this world with artificial dyes, preservatives that are toxic and poisonous, and TV screens that blast us with these lights.

00:09:28.680 And we don't realize, and not to mention, non-ionizing radiation and often inadvertently ionizing radiation.

00:09:35.460 And we are living in this world where we're looking at chronic disease, questions around why it's happening.

00:09:41.040 And then we have a population that's not getting enough sleep.

00:09:43.780 They're getting blasted with blue light before sleep.

00:09:45.940 They're eating – their diets are all out of whack.

00:09:49.260 Like they're eating way too many sugars, way too few proteins, getting no vitamins.

00:09:53.860 So I guess we can just start here somewhere at the beginning.

00:09:57.440 What is, in your guys' opinion, the largest contributor to the chronic health epidemic in the United States?

00:10:06.600 A free market commerce.

00:10:09.700 I don't disagree.

00:10:11.040 I mean, that really is the issue, right?

00:10:14.020 And it's interesting because, you know, I've been a journalist most of my life in looking at medicine and science.

00:10:20.600 But working with Bobby for the first time, I've always had an opinion about politics and, you know, decisions that politicians are making.

00:10:27.940 But when you start, you know, really running a candidate, and then as he got closer and closer and finally made this decision to be HHS secretary, you know, things like, I want a free market, right?

00:10:38.620 I scream for free market.

00:10:39.620 But then when you look at like red dye number three, which was removed, I think, two days before Biden left office and Califf, who was the FDA head, they were asking him, you know, what took so long?

00:10:51.480 You knew for 10 years this, you know, can cause cancer.

00:10:54.560 It's an endocrine disruptor.

00:10:55.500 We took it out of cosmetics, but left it in food.

00:10:58.500 And he said, you know, and it was like sort of the discussion we've all been hearing about Froot Loops, that the colors in Froot Loops are, there's chemicals that are poisonous.

00:11:06.760 It's illegal in Europe.

00:11:08.260 They have a totally different Froot Loops box than we have.

00:11:11.400 Why is that here?

00:11:12.480 And he said, because we took the colors out and the product or, you know, Kellogg said the product didn't sell as well.

00:11:18.540 So the bright colors made it sell better.

00:11:20.160 And who are we to get involved with the commerce of a company?

00:11:23.460 And it is where you do see this real conflict that we don't think about, right?

00:11:27.840 We, the beauty of this country is we have this open free market system and we want, you know, to have capitalism and everything thrive.

00:11:35.320 But you don't think about, is there a place for regulation, right?

00:11:38.800 And I think that that's really going to be the question right now over the next couple of years.

00:11:42.720 I say yes.

00:11:43.920 Regulate away.

00:11:46.020 There are a lot of libertarians, anarchists, and I don't mean the far left weirdos.

00:11:50.380 I mean, you know, Michael Malice's position is the government shouldn't be regulating these things.

00:11:53.300 It should be more of a free market.

00:11:54.320 I completely disagree.

00:11:55.500 I think if anything, a government should do is be like, hey, you know, that food you're eating is not food.

00:12:02.220 And that company is telling you it is.

00:12:04.560 So we're going to just say, hey, don't do that.

00:12:06.660 I know it's not easy.

00:12:07.960 And the fear is often you give the authority to the government.

00:12:10.940 They'll abuse it. 0.98

00:12:12.520 But what's the alternative?

00:12:13.740 All of our food, almost all of it.

00:12:15.600 I mean, even emulsifiers, right, like a gallon gum and what, locust bean gum and these things.

00:12:22.800 There are reports coming out saying that this is causing high rates of colon cancer because it's building up in the body.

00:12:27.980 It's not being absorbed or digested.

00:12:29.540 And it simulates creaminess.

00:12:32.940 So, for instance, I have this – I used to drink this coconut milk.

00:12:36.420 Really good.

00:12:36.880 I'm not going to attack the company.

00:12:38.620 But I decided to stop drinking it because it's got emulsifiers in it for no reason, none whatsoever.

00:12:45.360 I don't need my coconut milk to be fake milk.

00:12:48.340 Just give me the coconut juice.

00:12:49.780 It's fine.

00:12:50.580 But they put the stuff in it.

00:12:51.780 Now, you go to the grocery store.

00:12:53.900 A lot of the heavy cream you buy also has gallon gum in it, an emulsifier to make it seem fattier.

00:12:59.940 Just give me regular food.

00:13:01.400 I don't understand why they're putting all this stuff in here.

00:13:02.720 And it sells better when it hits certain, I guess, palate expectations.

00:13:08.400 So now most of our food is poisoned and not even that.

00:13:12.360 Good luck finding food not sealed in plastic.

00:13:14.580 So it's going to have PCBs and other stuff leached into it.

00:13:18.380 So, Tim, to kind of support where you're coming from, I think.

00:13:26.660 And I think – personally, I think this is a real challenge for Maha.

00:13:30.800 I think it's one of the most fundamental issues that Maha is going to have to grapple with

00:13:35.880 as it moves from populism to policy to kind of long-term sustainable implementation

00:13:41.520 is how do we avoid the nanny state?

00:13:44.760 How do we avoid a situation in which the government has an overbearing hand on everything in our lives?

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00:15:11.740 Which, once the bureaucrats get a hold of things that seem like a good idea,

00:15:16.160 it often seems to go down that road.

00:15:18.580 So here's an example.

00:15:20.540 Glyphosate.

00:15:21.540 Roundup.

00:15:22.320 I mean, you're living out here in rural West Virginia,

00:15:25.260 and everybody's using Roundup all the time.

00:15:29.020 What has happened over the last decade is the use of glyphosate as a desiccant.

00:15:36.880 Now, what does that mean?

00:15:38.460 When you're growing crops, corn, wheat, soybeans,

00:15:45.800 you have to have a big harvester come through to harvest that.

00:15:51.220 Those things are super expensive.

00:15:53.440 Most farmers these days don't own one.

00:15:56.160 They basically contract with a company that comes through and does it.

00:16:00.420 What does that mean in a practical sense?

00:16:02.160 It means that you have to be able to say that on Wednesday the 23rd,

00:16:06.340 we're going to be ready for you to bring in your machine.

00:16:10.320 And it's going to cost a lot of money to do that.

00:16:12.480 So how do you do that?

00:16:13.440 Because you can't naturally control when your crop is going to be ready,

00:16:18.400 when the grain is going to be dry.

00:16:20.940 So what do you do?

00:16:22.140 As the grain is now matured, you go and spray the whole field with Roundup, okay?

00:16:29.280 And then it dies, and the harvester comes in and harvests all that.

00:16:34.880 As a consequence, almost all of our wheat, soy, oats, you know, Quaker oats,

00:16:42.160 is contaminated with glyphosate, with Roundup.

00:16:45.320 So who cares?

00:16:46.780 Well, Bobby cares.

00:16:48.300 This is one of the things that really made his career was the lawsuit against Monsanto

00:16:53.640 having to do with Roundup.

00:16:55.180 And by the way, this was not what was done a decade ago.

00:16:58.820 So now you've got a situation in which your children and you are eating glyphosate

00:17:04.360 without even knowing it.

00:17:05.980 And does it matter?

00:17:07.640 Why does it matter?

00:17:08.380 Well, there's plenty of studies out now that show that Roundup ingestion in animal models,

00:17:13.560 in fetal development, has two main impacts, autism and obesity.

00:17:19.800 Ever heard those two before?

00:17:22.220 The point is, this is something that's banned in Europe, just like the dyes.

00:17:27.660 And I think this is a proper, as we talk about the kind of the fine line,

00:17:31.420 where does the government step in and where do they stay behind?

00:17:34.080 I think that they have got to get toxins out of our food supply.

00:17:37.540 I think it's a lot more than just educating people.

00:17:40.020 I think that is something where it's clear cut.

00:17:42.100 Real quick, you said glyphosate was banned in Europe?

00:17:46.600 Glyphosate in food is not allowed.

00:17:49.300 Oh, okay.

00:17:50.120 They do still use it.

00:17:52.600 They have an EU website.

00:17:56.120 It's approved as an active substance until 2033 with certain conditions and restrictions.

00:18:03.020 How do they prevent it from getting in the food, though, if they're putting it on crops?

00:18:06.280 I mean, obviously, in the United States, do they test the food to make sure it didn't contaminate it or something?

00:18:12.160 I don't know the nuances of what's going on in Europe in terms of how they're maintaining their integrity, their food supply.

00:18:18.420 But I know in the United States there is testing done, and it's demonstrating that we have high levels of glyphosate in virtually all of our soybean and grain crops.

00:18:29.360 This is interesting.

00:18:30.600 The website also, aside from saying they did approve it, mentions that the European Commission officially received the submissions of the fourth successful European Citizens Initiative by supporting the Stop Glyphosate European Citizens Initiative.

00:18:42.720 Over one million citizens from at least seven member states have called in the EU to propose member states' ban, a ban on glyphosate, to reform the pesticide approval procedure and set EU-wide mandatory reduction targets for pesticide use.

00:18:56.940 I guess my question then is, it's interesting, when I pull up the wiki, not like Wikipedia is the greatest source or anything like that, it just says it kills weeds.

00:19:06.300 At some point, they decided instead of killing weeds that they were going to use it as a desiccant to prepare crops.

00:19:11.660 Is that what happened?

00:19:12.600 Absolutely.

00:19:13.760 It seems strange.

00:19:15.900 This is what I've heard from a lot of people, that basically it dries out the plants.

00:19:19.700 Well, it kills them.

00:19:20.420 Right. 1.00

00:19:20.900 It kills them.

00:19:21.460 No, by the way, the ones that are not genetically modified, the entire purpose of genetically modified food was to design vegetables that don't die when you spray this deadly poison on it and everything else around it dies.

00:19:31.720 So you're getting glyphosate on the GMO crops.

00:19:34.700 The entire purpose of a GMO crop is one that is glyphosate resistant.

00:19:38.420 And then you take the ones that aren't GMO crops and you kill them, which is why when you see a loaf of bread and it says non-GMO, that's not a good thing.

00:19:47.060 People go, oh, it's like organic.

00:19:48.380 No, it's nothing like organic.

00:19:49.460 What it's saying is this was just regular wheat that we poured glyphosate all over it before we ground it up and stuck it in this loaf of bread.

00:19:56.240 So people need to recognize that that non-GMO, sure, the crop wasn't designed to be Roundup resistant.

00:20:04.520 They didn't want it to be because they used it at the last minute to dry the entire crop out. 0.90

00:20:08.740 So you're getting it no matter what you do.

00:20:10.700 But I think to the point also the farmers are terrified of Robert Kennedy Jr., people wanting to look at glyphosate and say it's going to infect their entire industry.

00:20:18.680 You know, this is what they've gotten used to as modern farming, and now we've got to figure out how do we move them back into regenerative farming, organic farming.

00:20:28.280 Do they want to retrain?

00:20:29.460 I mean, all of those things, this is what they know is farming.

00:20:32.480 They have, you know, GMO seeds that are, you know, ready for the glyphosate to be poured all over them.

00:20:39.020 Or, I mean, the entire, you know, Monsanto has made the entire farming system based around their product.

00:20:45.640 And they've got all farmers, I would say, hooked on.

00:20:49.160 It's not their fault.

00:20:50.060 It's just what modern farming was going to be until now we're waking up and say, wait a minute, it's killing us.

00:20:55.180 Even the vegetables are bad for us.

00:20:57.400 Well, real quick, I guess I would call it the mainstream statement or view on glyphosate is that it is a misinformation campaign that glyphosate causes autism or cancers.

00:21:10.780 There's an article from Science Based Medicine saying that Stephanie Seneff, a computer scientist at MIT who thinks that gives her sufficient expertise in epidemiology due to studies in it, among her wider claims, that glyphosate, GMOs, and other modern lifestyle factors are responsible for the recent increase in concussions.

00:21:26.900 She's long been claiming glyphosate causes autism.

00:21:29.640 Perhaps my favorite claim of hers is that by 2025, half of all children will be autistic.

00:21:33.480 Truly, Seneff is a master of inappropriately confusing correlation with causation.

00:21:37.060 This is an op-ed, I find it interesting, but it is the, this is really strange.

00:21:42.500 It's an opinion piece by David Gorski, but it is cited as a factual article by Wikipedia in the misinformation campaigns.

00:21:49.000 It says, glyphosate has become a focus of campaigning and misinformation by anti-GMO activists because of its association with genetically modified glyphosate-resistant crops.

00:21:58.260 U.S. politician R.F. Kennedy Jr. has incorporated glyphosate into his anti-vaccination rhetoric, falsely claiming that both glyphosate and vaccines may be contributing to the American obesity epidemic.

00:22:08.280 I think I was going to say Stephanie Seneff also falsely claimed that it may have a role in autism.

00:22:11.840 I do, I'd like to find a better source than a couple of op-eds, but that's the only thing Wikipedia has cited.

00:22:17.580 So this is why we write our substack.

00:22:20.400 So when we did our essay on glyphosate, we went to the primary literature, and we cited that primary literature and summarized it for people.

00:22:28.760 So if you go under our substack, you'll find the actual journal articles, and you can bypass all of this op-ed, opinion from Wiki, and the utilization of these terms like misinformation, which is just more part of the propaganda.

00:22:41.960 Go to the basic science, go to the peer-reviewed literature on the use of glyphosate and the testing that is being done on various animal models, because you're not going to feed glyphosate to children or to pregnant women intentionally.

00:22:57.960 You do that with laboratory models, but then what's also been done is a series of studies looking at, for instance, pregnancy and urine, maternal urine and glyphosate contamination.

00:23:11.540 And the glyphosate contamination being found in the urine of pregnant women is aligned with the levels that are known to be causing these effects in animal models.

00:23:23.800 So that's how you do toxicology.

00:23:25.400 So all of that, you know, we've seen this again and again and again.

00:23:30.160 You have this narrative that's built up and supported, and it persists long after the actual data are out there.

00:23:40.220 And it's very difficult to break because they use these mechanisms to reinforce it.

00:23:46.100 But you've got to go back to the, you know, the emerging science.

00:23:50.580 And what happens is when you have a time when this, you know, science is not a thing, right?

00:23:56.320 That's scientism.

00:23:57.700 When you have change going on in the research data, often corporate media is way behind the curve, typically years.

00:24:07.140 So that's why we do what we do with our sub stack.

00:24:09.960 That makes a lot of sense as to why the corporate press is behind the curve, because they're well behind the research.

00:24:14.940 It would be silly to think that some journalist in an office who's never been in a lab has the, you know, bleeding edge understanding of all this technology.

00:24:23.460 What I will say is, are you familiar with BMJ.com?

00:24:27.160 Yeah.

00:24:27.460 British Medical Journal.

00:24:28.080 And is this a prominent medical journal for publishing?

00:24:33.140 BMJ is really quite a good journal.

00:24:36.640 They're not flawless like any medical journal.

00:24:40.460 I just want to make sure I'm not pulling up some night-by-night random conspiracy blog.

00:24:44.740 They are one of the few that has come through the COVID crisis with integrity.

00:24:49.920 So I just wanted to make sure that people who are listening understand BMJ is not some random conspiracy site,

00:24:56.280 because they actually do have a peer-reviewed publication,

00:25:00.240 Prenatal and Infant Exposure to Ambient Pesticides and Autism Spectrum Disorder in Children,

00:25:04.500 Population-Based Case Control Study, with a conclusion,

00:25:07.780 findings suggest that an offspring's risk of autism spectrum disorder increases following prenatal exposure to ambient pesticides

00:25:13.420 within 2,000 meters, I'm assuming, of the mother's residence during pregnancy,

00:25:17.520 compared with offspring of women from the same agricultural region without such exposure.

00:25:22.100 Infant exposure could further increase risk for autism spectrum disorder,

00:25:24.920 with comorbid intellectual disability.

00:25:27.620 They do include a correction citing that there was an oversight and a potential conflict of interest.

00:25:32.420 I want to make sure everybody understands that.

00:25:34.040 But this is what BMJ has as a published peer-reviewed journal on the issue.

00:25:39.100 And so I just find interesting, when you pull up glyphosate on Wikipedia,

00:25:43.200 you want to talk about how the media operates,

00:25:44.480 this happens to be one of my biggest critiques of, uh, uh, uh, my biggest focus is, uh, one of my, yeah,

00:25:51.420 one of my focuses, misinformation campaigns in the glyphosate Wikipedia,

00:25:55.820 where it cites an opinion piece.

00:25:58.600 I was surprised to see that it linked to science-based medicine, and it was an opinion piece.

00:26:03.840 I figured I'd click on it, and it would give me a peer-reviewed journal,

00:26:06.580 claiming that it's misinformation to make that connection.

00:26:08.960 Meanwhile, an actual peer-reviewed journal on bmj.com states that they did find

00:26:14.380 that there was an increased risk with autism spectrum disorder based on ambient pesticides.

00:26:17.900 Why is Wikipedia allowing its editors to place an opinion, an op-ed, not a scientific journal,

00:26:26.520 as a citation to call it misinformation?

00:26:29.240 Meanwhile, BMJ actually has a study which says, you actually found this.

00:26:34.600 Now, I have no problem saying, if it's, if it's contentious,

00:26:38.800 and there's conflicting scientific, uh, studies, then it requires more data.

00:26:43.820 I have no problem saying that.

00:26:45.300 I have no problem saying, some have found that it may actually do this.

00:26:48.560 Others have contested it.

00:26:49.600 I think that's a fair thing to do.

00:26:51.840 Why would Wikipedia put an op-ed as a scientific citation?

00:26:56.860 Well, that seems absurd.

00:26:58.220 So, Tim, one of the things about Wikipedia, you, we've, we, I've had to dig into this

00:27:02.040 because, of course, I've, I'm slandered and defamed on Wikipedia in every which way.

00:27:07.260 And, uh, they still claim that, yes, I'm sure.

00:27:09.620 And mine's locked.

00:27:10.000 I can't, no one can change it.

00:27:11.240 Like, they've locked in all the negative stuff on me, and you can't do anything about it.

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00:28:37.480 Wikipedia has some quirks, just like a lot of the AIs do. 0.99

00:28:41.420 A lot of the AIs and Wikipedia don't actually cite peer-reviewed literature.

00:28:45.540 They have a list of sources that you're allowed to use in building your edits to the Wikipedia

00:28:51.540 page.

00:28:52.500 And most of those are aligned with the Trusted News Initiative.

00:28:56.360 They're basically the big news outlets.

00:28:59.440 And so they don't go into peer-reviewed literature.

00:29:04.100 That's actually disallowed both by many of the AIs for training purposes as well as for

00:29:10.660 Wikipedia.

00:29:11.540 And so you find the situation like, you know, just not to make it about myself, but I had

00:29:17.080 all of these attacks that are recited again and again and again on Wikipedia, but no references

00:29:23.560 to buy actual 100-plus peer-reviewed papers.

00:29:27.940 That's not allowed.

00:29:29.100 It's a very strange ecosystem, information ecosystem associated with Wikipedia that's

00:29:35.200 really biased towards supporting and enforcing corporate media.

00:29:40.500 I'd like to just pull up one other, because I actually have many different studies.

00:29:46.120 This is, I hope everybody's, look, let me just give you the quick overview one more time

00:29:50.880 before I show all of these different studies, which maybe they're wrong.

00:29:53.880 I have no idea.

00:29:54.460 I'm not a scientist, right?

00:29:55.280 At the very least, if there is a debate over the issue, and there are claims by people in

00:30:01.600 the, in science-based, or whatever that website is, claiming it's misinformation, it should

00:30:06.980 be, here is a scientific study that found no correlation or inconclusive data, and here's

00:30:12.240 a study that challenges, here's a study that supports, the issue is widely debated, with

00:30:16.600 some saying yes, some saying no.

00:30:17.860 I'm fine with that, if that was the case. 0.99

00:30:20.000 But when they lead with, it's misinformation because this guy called the woman stupid and 0.96

00:30:25.840 said so, and then I literally just, I just Googled it, and I have a list of various peer 0.93

00:30:32.780 reviewed studies showing a link between either glyphosate, autism spectrum disorders, autism

00:30:39.140 related disorders, or pesticide in general. 0.64

00:30:41.860 This one from, and I think this is the stupidest name for a journal, but they went with it,

00:30:45.620 PNAS. 0.73

00:30:46.020 So, it's the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

00:30:49.520 I wanted to jump in, because you're pointing out the exact problem in the world we live

00:30:52.780 in.

00:30:53.000 Real quick, just so I can show this real quick, this is, maternal glyphosate exposure causes

00:30:57.360 autism-like behaviors in offspring through increased expression of soluble epoxide hydrolase,

00:31:02.240 and this is PNAS.

00:31:04.180 They go on and mention that there's a correction for this article that I should check out, and

00:31:07.440 there's always something in it where they say, correction, yada, yada, yada, by these individuals,

00:31:13.160 first published, the author's note, the author's name should appear as Deben, not, Deben Wan,

00:31:18.380 not Wang.

00:31:19.540 They apologize for the error.

00:31:20.760 But when they put out this thing and saying there's a correction on it, that's often used

00:31:23.900 to say, hey, this is not legit.

00:31:25.440 There's a SCIRP.

00:31:27.840 You're familiar with SCIRP?

00:31:29.720 Is that another?

00:31:30.760 I don't know what the acronym is.

00:31:32.680 I don't know.

00:31:32.860 SC, scientific research, academic, S-C-I-R-P.

00:31:36.180 So that is not a—so if you want to dig into this, this is actually Journal of Behavioral

00:31:43.040 and Brain Science.

00:31:44.440 Ah, I see.

00:31:45.180 I see.

00:31:45.500 It's listed up there.

00:31:45.980 This is an aggregator.

00:31:47.820 I mean, if you want to look, you should just look at the research that got presented in

00:31:52.720 the courts because, you know, Byron Monsanto had to settle billions in lawsuits, right, for

00:31:58.780 non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, and that's what—

00:32:00.560 NHL, yes.

00:32:02.520 So this is—links to obesity and autism is new science that's coming in.

00:32:07.780 Yeah, and there's—because there's too many confounding variables, it's hard to prove

00:32:11.800 in a court of law.

00:32:12.820 It's what Bobby was arguing.

00:32:14.000 I will just say settlement does not mean fact.

00:32:17.600 No.

00:32:17.920 A company that settles usually settles because litigation is more expensive, and that's

00:32:21.220 probably the majority of lawsuits.

00:32:22.700 But typically, in order to have a precedent, there's like hundreds of—there's a lot of science

00:32:27.720 in order to even have that precedent.

00:32:29.820 And that's what kind of Bob—

00:32:30.680 I disagree with the lawsuit thing.

00:32:32.480 I don't think it's a good example.

00:32:33.200 Yeah, but I think you have to get to this point, is what we're all trying to say is,

00:32:36.200 is there a signal or is there not a signal?

00:32:38.280 Does this deserve more research?

00:32:40.380 And we're living in a time where they keep telling us the science is settled.

00:32:43.780 There are laws right now that they're trying to pass all across this country to give the

00:32:48.200 same liability protection to glyphosate that's sprayed on all of our crops, so you will

00:32:52.360 never be able to sue.

00:32:53.760 You'll never be able to go into courtroom again, just like we have with vaccines.

00:32:57.000 So why would you need liability protection if the product is perfectly safe?

00:33:01.680 We know we have issues.

00:33:03.340 These are real signals.

00:33:04.480 And to your point, Wikipedia, our media, mainstream, is absolutely screaming misinformation.

00:33:10.220 They did it all throughout COVID.

00:33:11.940 We have a congressional investigation, a 500-page document that comes out and says social distancing,

00:33:17.340 six feet, was made up.

00:33:18.520 Had no science behind it.

00:33:19.520 Even though Tony Fauci stood in front of cameras and said to us, if you question me, you're

00:33:23.960 questioning the science.

00:33:25.000 Now, he admits in front of the Congress, there was no science in the six-foot distance rule.

00:33:28.360 There is no science that masks actually stop transmission.

00:33:31.360 The vaccine couldn't stop transmission, even though they said it was 95% effective.

00:33:35.200 Yet still, every one of those news organizations talk about those of us that called that out from

00:33:40.280 the very beginning, that we're still the ones spreading misinformation.

00:33:42.680 When our government clearly caught, Rand Paul has pointed this out, clearly was the one distributing

00:33:47.800 misinformation.

00:33:48.800 They continue.

00:33:49.580 Wikipedia is a misinformation vessel, and most of mainstream is.

00:33:53.640 But can we just talk really quickly?

00:33:55.200 Because the science around this, glyphosate in the gut and autism, first of all, I'd be

00:34:00.140 the first to say, we don't have enough science on any of this.

00:34:03.280 It is so hard to get decent investigations because you're being blocked by the industry itself,

00:34:08.060 which has been controlling your regulatory agencies, which is the light at the end of

00:34:12.360 the tunnel with Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:34:13.840 You finally have someone that doesn't work for any of these industries going in and saying,

00:34:17.960 we're going to do real peer-reviewed science and put it all on the table.

00:34:22.780 But what's very fascinating about glyphosate, whether it does or does not, autism, the heart

00:34:27.860 of this, the whole MMR conversation with Andrew Wakefield, who's the big baddie, the first 0.84

00:34:32.820 doctor to ever connect MMR and the potential of autism.

00:34:37.160 But it was an intestinal study.

00:34:39.300 The guy was a gastroenterologist back in the late 1990s, who all these parents said, my

00:34:46.500 child has what looks like Crohn's disease, but they got it right after they had autism.

00:34:52.440 And I'm wondering if there's a connection.

00:34:54.400 That's what his study started with.

00:34:56.160 It got sidetracked into being about a vaccine.

00:34:58.720 But the question was, was this a neurological disorder or was it a gut disorder?

00:35:03.140 And what he started looking into is it appears to be directly connected with the gut.

00:35:08.160 Now they're doing studies where they do fecal transplant.

00:35:11.120 They take a healthy child's feces and put it in the intestine of an autistic child. 0.99

00:35:16.540 And that child does better.

00:35:18.400 They've been doing it in rats.

00:35:19.600 It's amazing.

00:35:20.320 And they can do the opposite.

00:35:21.480 They can take autistic rats, take their feces and put it into a healthy rat and make it 1.00

00:35:26.880 start having autism qualities.

00:35:28.460 So we're in a whole new space now where your gut health appears to be affecting our neurological

00:35:34.700 health, right?

00:35:35.900 Do you watch South Park?

00:35:37.720 Very rarely.

00:35:38.800 Very rarely.

00:35:39.320 But they did that episode where everyone was trying to steal Tom Brady's feces because

00:35:43.200 the health effects of the transplant.

00:35:45.780 You mentioned early on the free market was likely the problem.

00:35:50.660 With everything we're talking about in media, there was that viral video of this news program

00:35:54.980 is brought to you by Pfizer, brought to you by Pfizer, over and over and over again.

00:35:57.760 And I don't know that it's necessarily a free market when you have monopolistic forces and

00:36:04.400 I turn on Fox News every day.

00:36:07.220 And I got to tell you, you know, my absolute favorite commercial is, have you seen the

00:36:11.000 Phenapt, Eperidone or whatever it's called?

00:36:14.040 It's this, it's like this anime woman opening her shop and smiling and she's an elderly couple

00:36:19.280 laughing.

00:36:20.020 The whole time it's telling you about this medication that can kill you, cause stroke,

00:36:24.140 prolongs the QT interval, which is associated with heart arrhythmia or sudden death.

00:36:27.760 And how it's like, it lists all these insane side effects where it's like, that sounds

00:36:33.100 scarier than whatever it is the person's, it's bipolar, one disorder, whatever.

00:36:36.180 But we have these, these commercials to me, they're absolutely insane.

00:36:39.040 And they're funding all of our news programs, even Fox News.

00:36:42.340 That's right.

00:36:42.960 So everything you're watching, your news reporters, their boss, cause I worked for CBS.

00:36:48.600 I worked on the daytime talks with the doctors.

00:36:50.620 My boss ultimately is mostly the pharmaceutical industry.

00:36:55.000 If you want to run a story that goes against a product of theirs, you will not work very

00:36:59.340 long for that network.

00:37:01.160 And that's just the way it goes.

00:37:03.140 But Del, can you kind of dig in a little bit?

00:37:05.920 So the dynamic here is more complex than just that.

00:37:10.860 But my understanding is that pharma is basically shoveling money at media as a way to co-opt media.

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00:38:12.520 It's not just to advertise these things to the consumer.

00:38:16.460 All that money co-ops media kind of prospectively so that media has this bias that we won't run stories that are contrary to the interests of our big sponsors because we don't want to lose that nipple.

00:38:32.540 Well, it's another kind of marketing that people need to be aware of.

00:38:37.320 There's the overt Coca-Cola buys a billboard saying buy our product.

00:38:42.720 And then there's the social repercussion of the advertising, which I talk about why we advertise.

00:38:48.140 And a few years ago, we bought a bunch of ads in Times Square.

00:38:52.060 We bought the whole North Tower on New Year's Eve was Timcast.

00:38:55.440 And that's not the intention is not so that people see it and then come watch the show.

00:39:00.240 It's a cultural impact ad.

00:39:02.260 We want people to think certain things about what our company does, what it represents, not necessarily to know it exists, but we want industry leaders to think certain things.

00:39:09.500 So when we see the buys of these advertisements, to your point, Dr. Malone, they're not necessarily trying to make people call their doctor and say, I want to buy this.

00:39:21.340 They're trying to say, we own you to the journalists, to the editors and create this effective barrier.

00:39:29.480 While some marketing will sell a product for you, hey, everybody, buy my soda, other marketing protects you from negative marketing.

00:39:36.860 It's the power of the withdrawal of the ad.

00:39:39.980 Their power is in we will pull our ads from you and stop paying you if you keep doing stories like that.

00:39:46.560 That is what they're buying, right?

00:39:48.080 Just like Tony Fauci, who distributed billions of dollars around the world to universities on a yearly basis to do studies, the power is in withdrawing that funding from a university.

00:39:59.300 So anytime a university wants to do a study on glyphosate or wants to do a study on anything, you know, ring, ring, hey, I see here we gave you $10 million last year.

00:40:10.140 We were planning on doing that this year, but we don't like this professor you've worked with.

00:40:14.400 Nice research program you have there.

00:40:16.860 It would be a shame if something happened to it.

00:40:18.840 That's right.

00:40:19.720 And that's where it comes back to what was your original question is like, why are we in this state?

00:40:24.100 It's really misaligned incentives.

00:40:26.200 And I would disagree.

00:40:27.360 I don't think it's a free market because it's not free.

00:40:31.240 There's so much government intervention.

00:40:32.780 There's so much big corporation manipulation.

00:40:35.400 I mean, the food system, the ag, for example, how many billions in subsidies have we paid?

00:40:40.940 That is the libertarian point of view.

00:40:43.080 We really don't have a free market.

00:40:45.320 I'm joking.

00:40:46.600 No, I know.

00:40:47.040 I know.

00:40:47.540 But you're right.

00:40:48.040 The tricky thing is what's the appropriate response then?

00:40:50.800 What's the appropriate response to, like, fighting against something that the deck's been stacked in the opposite direction so much?

00:40:57.880 Look at what we just saw with the EPA.

00:41:01.260 Lizelle, did you guys hear this story?

00:41:02.540 They found a $375 billion slush fund that was giving climate change grants.

00:41:07.680 One nonprofit was formed a month before receiving $7 billion.

00:41:11.640 There apparently were two funds, and I'm not accusing anybody of any wrongdoing, but the New York Post referenced climate justice fund and justice climate fund, both one receiving a billion, one receiving $7 billion, I think were the numbers.

00:41:24.420 It's not a free market.

00:41:26.160 No.

00:41:26.300 You have – there is one story where a guy worked for a nonprofit, and then he got hired by the Biden administration, immediately then started awarding grants back to the nonprofit.

00:41:36.020 We see people who work for big pharmaceutical companies and big agricultural companies taking jobs at the FDA.

00:41:42.600 It's not free market when the government is giving out billions and billions in direct cash subsidies and grants to make something happen.

00:41:50.440 It looks like the free market because those somethings then buy advertisements on TV. 0.99

00:41:54.720 I will say this.

00:41:56.020 When I had read Ayn Rand early on in my 20s and Atlas Shrugged and, of course, sort of the godmother, I guess, of libertarian thought or certainly deep in it, it pissed me off because I was a liberal.

00:42:10.940 By the end of the book, I was like, wait a minute.

00:42:12.460 This is pissing me off.

00:42:13.020 I thought I was with it.

00:42:13.900 Now you're pissing me off.

00:42:15.320 And it used to always bother me because I thought – and the idea is sort of like survival of the fittest, but she didn't sort of deal with monopolies, I felt like.

00:42:22.660 Ultimately, survival of the fittest, if you get enough money in your family and you're passing on your money, eventually can the Koch brothers – are their children going to be the smartest people running our country?

00:42:33.040 They have an advantage because they're financially strong.

00:42:35.740 And then when I started getting into the issues and investigations that got me into all the trouble that I'm in now, I went back because I was like, maybe I'm missing something.

00:42:45.120 And I remember I typed in Ayn Rand monopolies.

00:42:48.400 And it popped up.

00:42:49.640 It was an old Donahue.

00:42:50.600 I don't know.

00:42:50.820 It was way before your guys' time, but this talk show called Donahue.

00:42:54.480 And she was on.

00:42:55.180 He asked my exact question.

00:42:56.300 He's like, but Ayn – it's a very interesting idea that survival of the fittest, but what about monopolies?

00:43:02.400 You know, certainly a company – the train company in the center of Atlas Shrugged, this family makes enough money.

00:43:10.320 They can – they don't have to be the smartest any longer.

00:43:12.380 They have power.

00:43:13.340 And she said, if you show me a monopoly that did not get government funding –

00:43:18.900 Precisely.

00:43:19.340 Then I will – if you show me one, I will never speak again.

00:43:24.360 She said, I want to be perfectly clear.

00:43:25.940 I'm against welfare for the poor and I'm against welfare for the rich.

00:43:28.900 And what we have is a welfare for the rich, our government gets involved, it chooses the better products, and it changes the entire natural course of all business.

00:43:37.500 And I think that's what we have to look at.

00:43:39.540 It's what we're talking about.

00:43:40.440 This is the Murray Rothbard position, who is really more of the intellectual guns behind modern – the term is anarcho-capitalism.

00:43:48.880 He coined it.

00:43:49.640 That's the Austrian school of economics that Javier Mellier comes from.

00:43:54.000 And this is precisely his point, is that monopolies only exist when government creates them.

00:44:00.960 Right.

00:44:01.920 Right.

00:44:02.360 I mean, solar is a great idea.

00:44:03.800 Does it make sense to pour, you know, billions of dollars of – then we throw it out.

00:44:07.940 Or, you know, electric cars.

00:44:09.560 At a certain point, a market takes over.

00:44:11.880 I mean, it's a good question.

00:44:13.220 You know, how does it compete?

00:44:14.160 But you look at, like, when Bobby Kennedy or anyone – you want to get in, you can't – if you just said, let's just take away all subsidies, like, our nation is like – it's all built on Band-Aids, on Band-Aids.

00:44:26.280 If you tear them off, which is what Trump's doing right now, it's going to hurt.

00:44:29.960 So I agree largely with the talk about government funding and manipulation and how it controls markets.

00:44:36.340 But there still is a question around artificial dyes, for instance, in foods because, like you were saying earlier, the brighter colors sell better.

00:44:43.920 And you can go back to the stories of the old snake oil salesman.

00:44:47.640 Ten years ago, I was at a mall.

00:44:49.380 You ever see a balance bracelet?

00:44:51.800 You guys know what balance bracelets are?

00:44:53.780 Yeah.

00:44:54.760 It's a lie is what it is.

00:44:55.980 And what these companies were doing were selling rubber bands, silicon bracelets, and then using a magic trick known to every musician – magician, known as the center of gravity illusion, where you ask a person to – so they do this trick to – it's largely a pattern distraction.

00:45:15.720 To claim that an object is imbued with magic powers, which they're then going to make disappear or levitate or who knows what.

00:45:22.400 You tell someone it's got magic powers.

00:45:24.740 Put it in your hand.

00:45:25.980 And then – or actually, you say, put your arms out.

00:45:28.280 Stand on one leg.

00:45:29.560 They will put their hand on your arm and pull slightly at a downward, rightward angle away from your center of gravity, causing you to fall over.

00:45:37.060 They will then hand you the magical object imbued with great chi, and you'll hold it in your hand.

00:45:43.700 They then push down slightly towards the center of gravity.

00:45:47.100 To the average person, they don't recognize the slight shift, but when you're pushing towards the center of gravity, the person cannot fall.

00:45:52.440 So they're being pushed down, and they're like, why aren't I falling over?

00:45:55.320 A company figured out this thing and started selling rubber bands, telling everybody the rubber band will improve your performance.

00:46:02.600 They were in malls all across the country.

00:46:05.080 They made, I think, tens of millions of dollars before the FTC stepped in and said, stop tricking people and stealing their money, selling them $50 rubber bands.

00:46:15.020 There is the question of the nanny state.

00:46:17.640 We don't want to be like Mike Bloomberg who went on TV and said, tax the poor. 1.00

00:46:21.320 Don't let them buy large sodas because they're stupid and they hurt themselves. 0.99

00:46:25.040 But there is a line, right, where we're like, bro, you can't sell rubber bands for $50 and use a magic trick. 1.00

00:46:30.540 I agree.

00:46:31.140 I agree.

00:46:31.800 And the example I like to use is, you know, there's a strong case to be made that modern McDonald's diet causes obesity, and obesity is one of the major drivers of diabetes and a variety of health problems.

00:46:47.100 But do we want to have the state saying that you can't eat McDonald's hamburgers and drink sugary Coca-Colas?

00:46:56.320 We don't, that's, I think most of us would agree that's not okay.

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00:48:20.900 But then the converse is if those McDonald's products are using, let's say, seed oils in their manufacturing that is associated with health risks that are, you know, above and beyond the call and they don't have to do those things.

00:48:38.300 Does the state have the right to say, no, we're not going to allow you to use seed oils?

00:48:42.180 Now, I'm not advocating that position right now, but I'm making the point.

00:48:45.580 Can I ask about seed oils, though?

00:48:47.200 Do you have a position on seed oils?

00:48:48.400 Absolutely.

00:48:49.280 Seed oils, I'm convinced, are a major driver in our obesity crisis.

00:48:54.200 What is the mechanism for that?

00:48:56.100 It has to do with their metabolism or absence of metabolism and the storage of the fatty product, to the best of my knowledge.

00:49:05.660 I'm not an expert on it.

00:49:06.940 So are you guys familiar at all with the seed oil thing?

00:49:09.560 Just lightly.

00:49:10.940 I'm not a scientist on it either.

00:49:12.740 I'm cutting seed oils out just because—

00:49:15.380 Why not?

00:49:16.200 Yeah, why not?

00:49:17.040 While we're at it, I'm going to assume it's correct.

00:49:19.440 It's toxic.

00:49:20.020 If you look into how they're produced, it's—you know, there's so many chemical derivatives just to get a seed to the seed oil end product.

00:49:27.240 They're extracting it with chemicals like hexane, and then they're putting deodorizers in on it.

00:49:31.420 And then it's a polyunsaturated fat, so it oxidizes greater naturally.

00:49:35.580 And then it sits on the shelf in a clear plastic bottle.

00:49:38.580 And the only reason it's not, you know, obviously rancid is because they put all these deodorizers and coloring in it.

00:49:45.300 So it's really a toxic end-to-end product.

00:49:48.400 You could make a more natural seed oil if it was, like, cold-pressed and all that and debate what, you know, health ramifications that has.

00:49:55.640 But typically, from just end-to-end, like a canola oil is just extremely toxic.

00:50:00.940 Is that—the canola is the seed?

00:50:02.700 Yes.

00:50:03.180 Rapes—it comes from the rapeseed plant. 0.91

00:50:05.100 Interesting.

00:50:05.400 Those are those fields you see with the yellow bloom.

00:50:07.700 And then they're also, of course, a monocrop getting back to, you know, being sprayed with glyphosate and Roundup.

00:50:12.980 I read it.

00:50:13.860 We planted sunflowers a couple years ago, and they're amazing.

00:50:18.020 And it's crazy.

00:50:18.780 When you take the head, you bash it, and the seeds go flying out.

00:50:21.280 And I was reading how indigenous natives, they would take all the seeds, and they'd press it using, like, wood planks or something, and they'd get the oil out of it.

00:50:28.780 And so I thought it was kind of strange, and people said, seed oils are bad.

00:50:31.840 And I'm like, but people have been eating sunflower seed oils.

00:50:34.540 So is it really the seed themselves, or as you're saying, is it the process and the toxification after the fact?

00:50:41.000 It's both, because then imagine what quantity are you actually going to be able to do that at if you did it, like, manually.

00:50:46.760 Like, it's not a very scalable process to, like, naturally extract and cold press.

00:50:51.960 So the fact that we're, you know, consuming this quantity of seed oils and then the oxidized linoleic acid and everything is the real problem.

00:50:59.500 It's comprising such a large portion of calories that, you know, our biology is not meant for that.

00:51:05.080 And it's really a mitochondrial toxin at the end of the day.

00:51:07.740 So I've heard avocado oil, olive oil are really good.

00:51:12.020 Are you all familiar with Brian Johnson, the guy who wants to live forever?

00:51:15.500 Yes.

00:51:15.980 He said a teaspoon of olive oil with every meal is one of the most powerful anti-aging things you can do.

00:51:21.680 Is there any concern about animal proteins?

00:51:23.740 He's a vegan.

00:51:24.360 That's why I bring it up.

00:51:25.060 I would prefer to always cook with, like, a saturated fat because it's going to be the least prone to oxidation when you're cooking at high heat.

00:51:33.740 So I personally cook with butter or beef tallow.

00:51:37.500 But then if you have a good extra virgin olive oil, drizzle that on top or use it as finishing.

00:51:42.400 Or if you're cooking at low temperatures, I think that's great.

00:51:44.880 But the problem with olive oil and avocado oil is, like, 80% to 90% of them on the shelves in the store are actually cut with seed oils.

00:51:52.100 And this goes back to this whole, like, marketing and labeling problem that we have in our food system as well.

00:51:58.180 Have you – let me ask you guys a question.

00:52:00.080 If you went to a restaurant and they had a meat – it said meat steak entree with an asterisk next to it, would you – like, would you eat something described as generic meat product?

00:52:13.160 Or, like, would you have questions about it?

00:52:15.860 I don't really know what you mean.

00:52:16.840 Is there such a thing like it's not meat or is it a processed meat?

00:52:19.800 No, like, you go to a restaurant and you're like, do you have steak?

00:52:22.180 We have meat steak.

00:52:23.440 Would you ask –

00:52:24.040 That would freak me out.

00:52:25.260 Yeah, for sure.

00:52:27.160 For sure.

00:52:28.480 What's meat steak and why are you calling it that?

00:52:30.340 Right, right.

00:52:30.740 Can't you tell me if it's beef or bison?

00:52:32.720 I mean, personally, bison steak is – and I bring this up because, you know, my buddy Luke, I bring him up because he's a crazy health nut, right?

00:52:40.420 He has a card.

00:52:41.580 And it says, here are all the things I cannot eat.

00:52:43.880 And he hands it to the waiter and then basically forces them to disinfect and sterilize the kitchen.

00:52:50.080 But he asked the question, what do you fry your foods in?

00:52:54.920 And they say, I'll check.

00:52:56.180 And do you know what they always say?

00:52:58.140 Vegetable oil.

00:52:59.160 Yeah, right.

00:52:59.660 And to which my response was, which one?

00:53:02.160 Right.

00:53:02.460 They don't know.

00:53:03.520 Yeah.

00:53:03.640 And so I have concerns about what that literally means because, I mean, there are some vegetables like – we've got poisonous vegetables outside.

00:53:10.720 I assume the majority of vegetables you can't actually eat.

00:53:15.560 Well, I mean, and I think that the seed oils is being called a vegetable oil.

00:53:19.320 It's the same stuff.

00:53:20.880 Right.

00:53:21.220 That is pure mislabeling for – vegetable has a positive connotation.

00:53:26.700 That's why they changed the name from, like, rapeseed oil to canola oil too because it's like, who's going to buy rapeseed oil?

00:53:31.340 But this gets into a fundamental thing.

00:53:33.960 What is the role of the USDA?

00:53:35.740 Yeah.

00:53:36.100 Yeah.

00:53:36.260 And the structure is that actually FDA has oversight in terms of food safety over USDA.

00:53:42.940 So what is the role for USDA and FDA under Maha to ensure that we have transparency in labeling?

00:53:52.760 I think that's one of the key issues of Maha is that consumers have the right to know.

00:53:58.700 And there's a lot of this – you know, it is misinformation.

00:54:03.180 They are basically inventing words or substituting language that's being allowed by our regulatory authorities in order to avoid true transparency to the consumer so that they have informed – the information they need to make an informed choice.

00:54:20.940 And that, I think, as we talk about these fine issues about nanny state, et cetera, I think one thing that we should all be able to agree on is that we have truth in labeling.

00:54:33.120 And there's so many ways that that's twisted.

00:54:35.480 For instance, one of the ones that I love, you seem to be pretty aware of the agriculture industry and beef and chicken, et cetera.

00:54:43.200 So did you know that increasingly our meat is coming from the rainforest?

00:54:49.260 It's coming from Brazil.

00:54:50.280 The biggest meat packer in the world that's kind of sweeping over and controlling all of our meat processing is Brazilian. 1.00

00:54:55.660 And the rule is that they can import animal products – you know, we could call it food – into the United States from offshore whatever source.

00:55:07.500 And by the way, those sources have different rules in terms of pesticides, vaccines, all kinds of things.

00:55:14.260 They can import it into the United States.

00:55:15.880 And all they have to do is basically put a knife on that meat, and then it can be labeled as made in the United States.

00:55:23.720 And you have no visibility in terms of what the chain is that that brought that food to your table.

00:55:31.200 The only thing that you can do in the face of all this is try to seek out local farmers and buy – you know, here in Virginia, we love to buy local Virginia grass-fed beef.

00:55:42.480 And where you're buying it from the farmer, and typically it's a smaller farmer.

00:55:46.720 This is kind of the whole Joel Salatin issue is getting away from these huge factory farms that's producing major amounts of pork, chicken, and imported beef and back to more of a local bottom-up decentralized food supply for our meats.

00:56:07.100 It's because basically the industry has figured out all these different ways to kind of cook the books.

00:56:13.340 I think you have to get back – I mean, I think what Bob is going to have to do is get back to actually – as taxpayers, we're going to have to decide that we want to fund unbiased studies being done by our own science body that's hopefully selected by people like Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:56:27.100 What we don't – what I didn't realize before I started investigating the pharmaceutical industry is that the industries are doing all the safety trials.

00:56:35.020 They're doing their own studies.

00:56:36.220 They're cherry-picking their own study.

00:56:38.060 So they're not even – I mean, one of the things Robert Kennedy Jr. is going to do right away is he's saying – when he says radical transparency, he's going to make every industry show every study they did, not just the ones that gave them the result they wanted.

00:56:49.140 So that we can say, wait a minute, because all we're seeing when you're at the FDA, if you're going to a VRBAC committee, which is the committee that decides whether a drug gets onto the market, or you go to the CDC's ACIP committees, they're only – all you're seeing from the industry is the study that proved what they wanted to prove.

00:57:04.980 This product actually pulled this off.

00:57:06.320 You don't see the five that failed, the five trials that failed.

00:57:10.340 If we saw all of the trials that were going on, I think we might have a different perspective.

00:57:14.300 Just to clarify, you're saying a company will do a study, fail, do another study, fail, do another study, fail, do another study, fail, do another study, fail, do another study and say, we got it.

00:57:21.680 We got it.

00:57:22.220 It's worse than that, Tim.

00:57:24.380 So as somebody who's an expert in regulatory affairs, what the general rules are in pharma is you don't ever do any study that the FDA doesn't require you to do because you might get a bad outcome and screw up your product, okay?

00:57:39.420 So that's one of the reasons why they don't investigate these things that we're all perplexed about.

00:57:44.620 How come you didn't look into this?

00:57:46.200 Now, another thing that what Dell's pointing to, this kind of suppression of information or failure to reveal key information, that is technically not allowed in terms of the FDA.

00:57:59.300 And that's a case of not enforcing the regs that are on the books.

00:58:02.840 So the rules are that if you're, you know, Corporation X and you're developing product Y and some academic somewhere does a study that relates to product Y, you're supposed to put that in your regulatory package and disclose it to the FDA.

00:58:18.760 They're supposed to, you talk about radical transparency.

00:58:20.740 The rules are that there's supposed to be radical transparency and they're not being enforced.

00:58:24.820 And that's, that is, I think, one of the big things.

00:58:28.200 And that's where you get to the corruption of the FDA because of these revolving door relationships, et cetera, et cetera, is we've created a kind of a government culture where it's okay to only enforce the rules that you want to enforce and only enforce them for those companies that you, you know, aren't with you.

00:58:47.800 So for big pharma, they get to slide on all kinds of stuff, whereas small biotech innovators have the rule book thrown at them.

00:58:55.800 And that's, that whole dynamic has got to change.

00:58:59.220 It gets back to, you know, government creating monopolies.

00:59:03.120 And one of the ways they do it is they give special allowance to the big boys that allows them to engage in these practices.

00:59:10.940 Or on top of that, the big boys have the legal means to challenge government resources in court and win, whereas smaller producers don't have that same ability.

00:59:20.220 True.

00:59:20.320 Even more, the most surprising thing to me in working with Bobby and starting to really, like, I was looking at the list of jobs he had to fill.

00:59:27.460 He's going to have 80,000 employees underneath him.

00:59:30.460 He got to add, like, 300 of his own and just looking at how this whole thing works.

00:59:35.620 But what you don't realize, what I didn't realize, is that, you know, the big industries will act like, oh, my God, all the regulations have got our hands tied.

00:59:43.880 It's terrible dealing with the FDA.

00:59:45.220 They're the ones that set the regulations.

00:59:46.600 Yes, absolutely.

00:59:47.100 They're the ones that demand it.

00:59:48.160 They prefer it.

00:59:48.980 They prefer it.

00:59:49.860 This is another key thing, okay, is that regulations are the friend of the big boys, the big players, because they're the only ones that have the capital and the infrastructure in order to meet those regulatory requirements.

01:00:03.040 And so regulations serve to exclude the smaller to midsize innovator, which is what the big boys, whether it's big ag or big pharma or, you know, fill in the blank, they like to have that complex regulatory environment because it gives them a competitive advantage, because their small innovator competitors can't comply with the federal requirements.

01:00:28.060 Let me ask you guys, would you eat cloned meat?

01:00:30.540 No.

01:00:30.820 You probably are.

01:00:31.580 This is how crazy things have gotten in this country.

01:00:35.320 The stories from 10 years ago, just about 10 years ago, Alex Jones came on Timcast IRL, and it's fascinating to listen to this guy because he says things, and you're sitting there thinking, this guy's out of his mind.

01:00:47.040 He's sitting here being, like, we're having a conversation, and he abruptly goes, well, now you got all these people eating cloned beef.

01:00:51.880 They're eating animals.

01:00:52.480 They're cloning animals.

01:00:53.300 We're eating them.

01:00:53.620 And I'm like, Alex, stop.

01:00:54.480 No, we're not.

01:00:54.960 And he goes, wait, what?

01:00:55.880 Google it.

01:00:56.280 And I Googled it, and from fizz.org, are you eating cloned meat?

01:01:00.700 The answer is probably.

01:01:02.340 The FDA cleared in 2008 cloned beef to be consumed.

01:01:07.560 We don't track for it.

01:01:09.280 And so there are a lot of producers that find desirable traits within cows.

01:01:12.680 Look at the popularity of Wagyu.

01:01:14.700 Do you want to go through the arduous process of certified Wagyu A7 Japanese?

01:01:20.100 Sure, if you're in Japan, but what if you're doing Brazilian Wagyu or whatever?

01:01:24.520 You take a sample of the animal, and you clone it a bunch of times, and now you've got meat to sell.

01:01:31.480 So this actually is – we don't know for sure how much cloned meat we're actually eating.

01:01:38.140 You probably are eating it without realizing it.

01:01:40.140 The things that have happened in – I remember what documentary it was where it showed how they made common beef for fast food, and they take like 20 percent of the beef that's pulverized into a pulp, mix it with cleaners and like ammonia to sterilize it, and then mix it back in as a filler to the existing beef.

01:02:00.540 I think this was the supersize.

01:02:02.300 Was that supersize meat?

01:02:03.180 Yeah.

01:02:03.980 Yeah.

01:02:04.540 There's things like that we don't realize in our food, and they can claim all of it is still beef.

01:02:08.780 Yeah.

01:02:09.980 Yeah, so that's another problem is, again, it gets back to truth in labeling, and that's the combination of USDA and FDA kind of allowing these things to get through and giving allowance to the big producers.

01:02:24.900 I love the whole messaging of Kelly and Casey Means that pharma – I'm sorry, the tobacco industry, when it got its haircut, turned and moved a lot of their investments – we're talking about R.J. Reynolds – into big food.

01:02:41.980 And that the case is made by the means, and I think it's pretty persuasive, that the same business model applies, that we are being hooked on food by processing food so that it has these characteristics that are really addictive for us in terms of our palate and our brain response.

01:03:03.100 Like you were talking about the emulsifiers, fats, sugars, these things just go into our little monkey brain and say, this is the stuff you want.

01:03:16.060 And they have made a business that is entirely parallel to the business model of tobacco, of getting you hooked on the product.

01:03:23.780 But they've turned it – they've transformed the whole large food industry.

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01:04:22.180 Into using that same business model.

01:04:24.560 You know the story of sucralose?

01:04:27.220 You guys know what that is?

01:04:28.140 Yeah.

01:04:28.520 Artificial sweetener?

01:04:29.240 Yeah.

01:04:29.920 I think most people would be surprised to find out that the artificial sweetener packet they like to put in their coffee was discovered when a, I believe it was a researcher,

01:04:37.420 was trying to make a pesticide by combining chlorine with sugar to kill insects,

01:04:41.120 and misunderstood his professor who said, test it, and he thought he said, taste it, so he did, and said, taste good.

01:04:49.160 And they were like, really?

01:04:51.240 The intention was pesticide.

01:04:52.940 I think it was bonding chlorine with sugar, and now we have a widely available alternative sweetener, they call it,

01:04:59.680 which is, it's always strange to me that clearly there's questions about whether that will be safe for human consumption,

01:05:07.440 and they say, I don't worry, it is.

01:05:09.460 And I'm like, maybe you just don't.

01:05:10.560 The assumption of safety.

01:05:12.220 This is analogous to the origin of glyphosate we were talking about a minute ago, where it was a pipe cleaner.

01:05:18.080 It's an industrial pipe cleaner.

01:05:19.300 It draws the rust and stuff out of it.

01:05:21.240 And it was antibiotic, right?

01:05:23.260 It is an antibiotic.

01:05:24.780 It kills everything.

01:05:25.960 And they found that the areas around the river they're using it for cleaning the pipes had no weeds,

01:05:30.700 and they said, oh, we got a new indication.

01:05:33.240 I want to talk just because there's a very interesting conversation.

01:05:37.200 I think your audience is capable of understanding it, and it's something that was new to me.

01:05:42.300 And Whitney Webb actually went after a guy named Jim O'Neill, who I met.

01:05:46.460 I'm not going to, like, vouch for the guy, but I did have a very interesting conversation,

01:05:49.780 and she was really upset with this perspective he has, which is getting rid of efficacy inside of the FDA.

01:05:56.260 I think it's a very, very interesting conversation, though.

01:05:58.840 And when he explained it to me, and I'd be curious where you're at, Dr. Malone,

01:06:03.680 but what he said is, did you know that the FDA's original mandate was just for safety and purity?

01:06:09.920 It was only designed to say what's in this bottle is what's written on this label, and is it safe?

01:06:15.760 That's all it was there to do.

01:06:17.820 Years into it, the pharmaceutical industry said, we think that you should be involved in efficacy.

01:06:24.060 You have to determine what the thing does.

01:06:26.260 Can it do what it says it does?

01:06:29.360 And so they did.

01:06:31.120 They got involved, and that was the beginning of sort of the $100 million randomized control trials.

01:06:35.380 Now you have the big expense to get a product out there to be able to say, oh, it cures cancer.

01:06:39.160 It does this.

01:06:40.120 Only the pharmaceutical industry can afford it.

01:06:42.200 That's where vitamins can't make any claim.

01:06:44.040 Nobody else can make a claim, and that's where the FDA took over the industry.

01:06:48.340 And if you think about it, if it's involved in efficacy,

01:06:50.940 it immediately becomes a marketing arm for the product developer.

01:06:54.980 If it says this works or this vaccine works or this cancer drug works,

01:06:58.620 now the FDA is actually advertising it to the public.

01:07:01.780 If this is the types of things that we should be looking at,

01:07:04.460 what if we went back to the mandate all FDA is responsible for is, is it safe?

01:07:09.280 Prove your product is safe for human consumption or however it's being used,

01:07:13.260 and that what's in the bottle is what it says it is,

01:07:15.380 and let the market decide whether this thing works or not,

01:07:18.140 whether it does what it says it does.

01:07:19.660 I'm going to go to the doctor that's having better results in cancer,

01:07:22.320 and he may be using ivermectin and, you know, penbendazole or whatever it is.

01:07:27.740 The FDA, does the FDA need to be involved in that process?

01:07:30.660 We get, as consumers, to decide whether we think something's efficacious.

01:07:34.360 If we went back there, now a vitamin can make the same claims that a drug is making,

01:07:39.040 and you decide whether it's working for you or not.

01:07:41.020 The society starts to decide, or the doctors you're going to decide,

01:07:44.500 it would totally change the way our system works right now,

01:07:47.160 and I think it's a very interesting conversation.

01:07:49.220 Real quick, just a citation, because I see a lot of people are contesting

01:07:53.020 what I just said about sucralose, and I am correct.

01:07:55.660 You are wrong.

01:07:56.500 Some people are saying it's saccharin.

01:07:57.840 Tim's story is BS.

01:07:59.080 Here you go.

01:07:59.620 I pulled it up.

01:08:00.580 Sucralose, often marketed as Splund, as an artificial sweetener that tastes similar to sugar

01:08:03.680 but with zero calories.

01:08:04.500 Its discovery is famously attributed to the researcher misinterpreting test as taste.

01:08:08.280 The story goes that during research on sucrose derivatives,

01:08:10.920 scientists Shashikant Fubnest misheard the command to test a chlorinated sugar compound as taste it,

01:08:16.840 leading to the accidental discovery of its sweetness.

01:08:18.660 That is sucralose, not saccharin, sucralose.

01:08:21.600 Splenda, a.k.a.

01:08:23.080 So to Dell's thread about changing the structure, the underpinnings of the mission that FDA has,

01:08:33.260 you're accurate in referring to kind of the history and the growth of FDA,

01:08:40.080 but as happens with all these agencies, once you establish a federal mandate, it tends to get grown.

01:08:49.240 And that's what's happened is this kind of mission creep that occurs in agency after agency.

01:08:56.340 And I think there's a lot of merit to the idea of pulling FDA back.

01:09:01.000 I think there's another thing, too, that's important to understand.

01:09:04.760 People don't process.

01:09:07.120 How does FDA get its power? 0.91

01:09:08.940 Because for those of us that are constitutionalists,

01:09:13.360 the Constitution does not allocate the regulation of medicine or medical products or medical practice to the federal government.

01:09:22.160 Therefore, it vests to the states.

01:09:23.660 So how does the FDA justify its position?

01:09:28.000 It's all grounded on interstate commerce.

01:09:31.420 Because the Constitution vests the right to regulate interstate commerce to the federal government,

01:09:38.600 that is the crack that has allowed the FDA to slip in.

01:09:42.540 And also USDA, which is why you have these situations like the Amish farmers, notably in Pennsylvania,

01:09:49.180 that are producing raw milk or beef or whatever, and they can't transport it across state lines.

01:09:56.720 That's because the interstate commerce clause, and that's what allows the feds to come in. 1.00

01:10:00.300 I think we've got to really look at this kind of transformation that has occurred in a gradualistic way across all of these agencies.

01:10:10.660 The CDC should not be telling physicians, let alone states, what they should practice, how they should practice, what they should do.

01:10:20.180 They don't have the right to do that.

01:10:22.740 CDC is not even chartered.

01:10:25.080 CDC is like the—it's one of these agencies that was never authorized by Congress,

01:10:34.040 and it could be eliminated basically with a stroke of the pen by Donald Trump if he wanted to, just like USAID.

01:10:41.140 Where's the red line in these artificial dyes are really bad for everybody, and parents don't realize that red 40, they don't realize—what is that?

01:10:50.800 It comes from a little bug they mash up.

01:10:52.400 It's got like an aluminum compound in it or something.

01:10:54.500 Or tartrazine, which Robert was talking about quite a bit, a coal tar derivative that turns things yellow.

01:11:01.300 We want the government to ban these things, right?

01:11:03.140 I think there's two ways to go, right?

01:11:05.800 Maybe we—do we treat it like cigarettes?

01:11:08.460 You have this whole general—the grass that generally recognized as safe.

01:11:13.100 So these new chemicals come out.

01:11:14.820 Now, vitamins fall under that too, which I wasn't really paying attention to recently.

01:11:18.880 Like generally recognized as safe.

01:11:20.440 These compounds that are in a vitamin C or whatever, we're going to—we don't have to have every single vitamin C company prove that it's safe.

01:11:26.740 So you see a basis for generally recognized as safe.

01:11:30.400 But a brand-new chemical, like a dye, comes on the market, and the FDA is just looking the other way and saying,

01:11:36.000 we're going to give you a grass, you know, that's generally recognized as safe.

01:11:39.340 So it's going into food, and now you have to have enough people poisoned by it.

01:11:44.060 Someone's got to figure out funding because now you're in a post-marketing space.

01:11:47.220 Who's doing that post-marketing research?

01:11:49.840 Who can fund it?

01:11:50.920 And then you've got to try and win a lawsuit against a Kellogg's or a giant company.

01:11:55.960 And so that isn't working, right?

01:11:57.840 I think—so either we've got to put more energy into it.

01:12:00.700 You have to prove this thing is safe before we put it into our food, which means that's what we thought the FDA was doing.

01:12:06.260 Or if you're not going to do that, then there should be a warning label.

01:12:09.060 This product was never tested for human consumption.

01:12:11.800 And there are studies that show that it's an endocrine disruptor and can cause cancer.

01:12:16.340 Eat at your own risk.

01:12:18.440 I mean, I suppose there's the libertarian view of choose what you eat, right?

01:12:24.500 I try to eat healthier.

01:12:25.280 We have farm-fresh eggs from the chickens.

01:12:27.220 But most people can't afford to live that way.

01:12:30.940 They go to the grocery store, and they grab a box of processed grains, and they've got a whole bunch of crazy preservatives in it.

01:12:39.800 That sicken society.

01:12:41.200 And then my concern is a developmentally stunted, diseased population will vote for its own destruction because it's not—it's a gangrenous function of the body politic, essentially.

01:12:54.860 But it will vote because it's stuck on a television that is owned by the people making the poison that they're eating every day.

01:13:00.960 Well, just even outside of that, if you took 100 people and had them build a society and then one day introduced a food substance that they were all consuming with a rate of 7% genetic degradation per generation,

01:13:16.840 eventually they are dysfunctional, decrepit, unable to reproduce.

01:13:22.040 Sick. 1.00

01:13:22.460 Yeah. 0.99

01:13:22.720 Sick.

01:13:23.860 There's this—I don't know if you've ever—you guys have probably heard the studies they've done on cats and the meat consumption, raw versus cooked and dairy.

01:13:32.140 They gave—they had three generations of cats, and there's numerous studies that have followed this.

01:13:36.660 They—one family of cats were given only raw meats, one was given only cooked meats, and one was given only dairy products.

01:13:43.200 The cooked meat family, within a few generations, started losing their hair, becoming sickly, eventually lost the ability to reproduce.

01:13:52.040 The raw meats flourished and had way too many babies, and the dairy was somewhere in the middle.

01:13:57.540 So you look at something as simple as obligate carnivores like cats.

01:14:03.140 Then apply that to the human population where we have poisons in our food that don't immediately kill you, but slowly over time do.

01:14:11.780 Cats losing their hair, coughing, gagging, and not reproducing is obvious, but what happens when the brain is damaged, even a small percentage over a long period of time?

01:14:21.280 These individuals who continually eat these products, thinking it's safe, are going to get more and more damaged, meaning their ability to self-regulate will be harmed.

01:14:28.680 And then those of us who are actually like, hey, guys, let's exercise, eat right, eat healthy, and make America healthy again, are going to be combating people who are otherwise diseased from environmental toxins, voting against the interests of those that are trying to save them.

01:14:45.120 I think that you're pointing out one of the biggest issues we have.

01:14:48.460 Not only are we sick, but we are reaching the point where no one remembers a time when we weren't sick, right?

01:14:54.020 We're about to lose the last generation. 0.94

01:14:56.420 I didn't mean to point at you.

01:14:58.200 You may still be too young to have had measles, to have been through the Brady Bunch time, right?

01:15:03.260 Where it was a joke and a laugh track to it.

01:15:05.940 Now we live in it's the end of the world, right?

01:15:08.360 But that same generation is the last generation that never had an asthma inhaler, had no peanut allergies, did not understand what autoimmune disease was until much later in their lives.

01:15:19.720 Every kid now that's a part of the voting body looks at what Robert Kennedy Jr. is saying and saying, there were no autistic people my age.

01:15:27.760 Like, that doesn't make sense to them.

01:15:29.300 They're like, well, of course there were.

01:15:30.680 And the pharmaceutical industry has played on that.

01:15:32.680 The biggest argument they've had is autism's always been here.

01:15:36.040 We're just diagnosing it better.

01:15:37.440 I mean, that is literally the final spot that they've landed on, which is the most insane statement, as Robert Kennedy Jr. is saying, then find me anyone my age with autism.

01:15:46.380 At 1 in 34, certainly at 1 in 18 to 20 boys, which is where we're at now, there should be old folks' homes filled with men standing in corners with repetitive motion disorders, everything. 0.68

01:15:56.940 It doesn't exist.

01:15:58.420 Yet the pharmaceutical industry is preying on a generation that sees autism all around them, sees it at 1 in 20,

01:16:04.720 preys on a 60% autoimmune and neurological disease crisis.

01:16:09.200 One in four kids is leaving elementary school on a drug they're going to be on the rest of their lives, and that's normal.

01:16:15.640 Girls in college, I'm hearing, you know, somewhere around 50% are on antidepressants. 0.99

01:16:20.060 Almost every boy is taking Ritalin in order to focus.

01:16:23.560 That is normal.

01:16:24.840 And they are the ones going to be deciding, you know, who they're going to vote for to protect their health.

01:16:30.500 What do they know about health?

01:16:32.400 I mean, we are so far away from where we were healthy.

01:16:35.060 So to your point, not only are we sick, it's also normalized because it's all that we see.

01:16:39.880 And the rest is starting to sound like a dream or a mythology.

01:16:43.720 And where we end up is, let's say 50 years from now, when entire urban populations, less so in the rural areas, have been on some kind of mind-altering drug.

01:16:55.360 And I don't mean that, I don't mean like a recreational drug.

01:16:57.740 I don't mean like either for focus or for depression from the time they were children.

01:17:03.220 And then when the Make America Healthy Again movement 2.0 emerges, these people are going to be like they're trying to kill us by taking away our life-saving medication.

01:17:13.960 Yeah, I mean, absolutely.

01:17:16.280 You are – what I always say is we have a generation now that hasn't had a sober day in their lives.

01:17:22.000 They haven't been sober.

01:17:23.000 They have been on drugs since they're – now we're giving infants antidepressants.

01:17:27.880 I mean, it is so systemic and such a problem.

01:17:31.680 You're right.

01:17:32.440 And the pharmaceutical industry pushes the ads.

01:17:35.500 They have Democrats saying, you know, you're taking – you're making psychology a bad thing and you're against – you know, these people and the fact that we want to look at school shootings.

01:17:45.620 Can we at least put SSRIs on the table as a part of the conversation?

01:17:50.020 It's not allowed.

01:17:50.760 Now you're attacking people that have, you know, psychological issues and it's – the whole thing is being –

01:17:56.800 It's all wrapped up in wokeism.

01:17:58.160 It's all wrapped up in wokeism.

01:17:59.240 In wokeism.

01:17:59.600 The thing that I find stunning about all this is I live in rural Virginia and a lot of these things that we're talking about is not an issue in my community.

01:18:10.740 I live around farmers and people that live close to the land or we could make the case they are physicals.

01:18:20.140 And a lot of what we're talking about are problems of the urban society and of people that are living in the virtual world.

01:18:29.000 This kind of division that we're touching on here is pretty alien for a lot of, you know, the pejorative is the flyover states.

01:18:41.520 For folks that are out there doing stuff on a daily basis, whether it's HVAC or farming or whatever, they're not living in this world that we're describing in a general sense.

01:18:51.580 So I want to interrupt you is that –

01:18:54.480 Yeah, go.

01:18:54.940 Someone brought up an interesting point on testosterone and you mentioned the flyover states and I got to thinking, you know, a lot of people in these rural areas, physical labor is just a part of your daily life.

01:19:06.480 You do.

01:19:06.960 Chopping wood is fun actually but that's going to, you know, stimulate muscle development and testosterone production.

01:19:15.000 And testosterone production is going to have an effect on your mind.

01:19:18.220 And so I wonder how much –

01:19:20.200 And don't forget the role of sunlight.

01:19:21.700 We were talking about light earlier on.

01:19:23.740 Yeah, absolutely.

01:19:24.660 So I look at these cities and what do we find?

01:19:27.440 People are largely indoors, no sunlight.

01:19:29.820 Limited physical activity relative to how humans used to live a long time ago through the Industrial Revolution and through, you know, office jobs and things like this.

01:19:38.420 Obviously there are people who still do construction and do physical labor.

01:19:40.540 But this means you are going to have – I mean, I wonder if this has been studied.

01:19:45.820 Have they tracked the average testosterone levels by region of the United States?

01:19:49.580 I don't know the answer to that.

01:19:50.760 I know that they have been tracking testosterone levels and it's been plummeting.

01:19:54.220 So is sperm count and a lot of the other –

01:19:56.520 I would recommend everyone see the documentary WALL-E.

01:19:59.700 It's a good point, Tim, because I would say that cities have become toxic on every level because there's just a higher density of all these systemic inputs that are so alien to our body.

01:20:16.020 But a lot of what we're talking about here has to do, if we boil it down, with media and information and the biasing of information.

01:20:24.920 That's when we're talking about – we're kind of talking about culture and information and media.

01:20:30.160 And the folks that are living in the bi-coastal urban areas are living in a reality in which their entire –

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01:21:29.760 Higher awareness is being manipulated on a daily basis.

01:21:35.120 Of course, anybody that's interacting with social media, whereas if it's the same case or even more so.

01:21:40.320 But if you're out there actually doing things on a daily basis and interacting with others, other human beings,

01:21:48.120 then you're living in a very separate reality.

01:21:50.840 And I think this is one of the things that's really kind of creating a huge rift in the American body politic.

01:21:57.500 You know, when you look at the distribution of blue and red counties that voted for Trump or didn't vote for Trump,

01:22:03.080 it's right there in your face.

01:22:05.780 So I did a quick search.

01:22:07.360 There doesn't seem to be any strong distinction between anywhere in the country and the testosterone levels,

01:22:11.380 save for one state.

01:22:12.260 But it has very, very high testosterone levels.

01:22:15.440 Which state would you think that is?

01:22:17.900 I'm guessing Texas.

01:22:19.500 Oh, no.

01:22:20.340 No, but there's two states and Texas would have been one of them.

01:22:23.140 The other one, any other ideas?

01:22:25.660 No.

01:22:26.000 Florida.

01:22:26.760 Florida, really?

01:22:27.660 Yeah.

01:22:27.960 Sunshine.

01:22:28.940 And they're out physically a lot more people in Florida.

01:22:32.560 And I'm just thinking about the politics of the place.

01:22:34.980 Miami turning red.

01:22:35.920 I'm like, oh, yeah.

01:22:37.520 The average testosterone level in Florida is between 500 and 599 NGDL.

01:22:43.380 What does that stand for?

01:22:45.540 Nanograms per deciliter.

01:22:46.920 There you go.

01:22:48.160 Arkansas has – appears to be one of the – no, that's incorrect.

01:22:53.380 Why would they put it that way?

01:22:54.480 So most states, it's actually between 400 and 500 and fluctuates.

01:22:59.460 There's no real distinction between them, except for Florida, which has very high.

01:23:04.180 So it's between 400 and 500, they're 500 and 600.

01:23:06.560 Another one of the drivers in the –

01:23:07.980 Shout out Florida.

01:23:08.580 Another one of the drivers in the testosterone crisis, really, I think we can say, is age.

01:23:14.120 And as people age, their testosterone levels tend to plummet.

01:23:17.440 Yeah, but I would have thought that would have affected Florida.

01:23:19.260 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:19.980 I'm surprised.

01:23:20.460 The Florida – like these –

01:23:21.600 But the counter – what's – the counter-narrative that's happening now is the rise of hormonal supplementation.

01:23:29.900 Yeah.

01:23:30.300 And that's because – if you – you know, there's this whole discussion going on, can you reverse aging?

01:23:38.120 What I'm seeing, and I think what in general is happening right now, is the rise of bioidentical hormone supplementation.

01:23:50.500 Because as those levels drop, you have to artificially support them if you want to maintain kind of the quality of life that you had before, sex drive and everything else.

01:24:00.920 And when you do that, you see people that seem to be growing younger.

01:24:07.300 It's a paradox.

01:24:09.280 And if they drop their weight and they get on bioidentical hormone supplementation – which, by the way, the government doesn't subsidize.

01:24:18.420 They will pay for you to have synthetic hormones, but they won't pay for you to have bioidentical hormones.

01:24:25.820 You have to pay for it out of your own pocket.

01:24:27.280 So that's one of the reasons why you see the rich people showing these signs that they are – they're not aging.

01:24:34.760 You know, you see these 80-year-olds – or Larry Ellison, right, the other day.

01:24:39.480 You know, he's 80 years old, and he looks like he's a spring chicken.

01:24:43.620 It looks like he's in his 50s.

01:24:44.780 So this is just – is this like testosterone replacement therapy?

01:24:48.820 Testosterone and also female hormones.

01:24:52.160 For women.

01:24:52.880 For women.

01:24:53.360 Absolutely.

01:24:53.900 And it improves bone density.

01:24:55.100 You want to talk about health as we're – so the dynamic is the population is aging.

01:25:00.440 And as the population is aging, it's known that aging is associated with decline in a variety of endocrine functions, and that includes our sex hormones.

01:25:09.780 And so if you get in there and artificially supplement those, then you see people that are – they have a new lease on life.

01:25:19.120 It's like they're young again.

01:25:20.320 I got a question for you maybe you can't answer.

01:25:23.260 They do stem cell therapy now.

01:25:25.200 Yes, absolutely.

01:25:26.640 This is a key topic with Maha and some of the strategies.

01:25:30.540 The basically offshoring stem cell therapy for regenerative medicine right now is where you have to go, and only the rich people can access it.

01:25:39.080 So the Cellular Performance Institute, I visited them in Tijuana.

01:25:44.460 They're outside the country.

01:25:45.860 They – I believe they're one of the sponsors for UFC.

01:25:49.740 Many of these UFC fighters will have cartilage damage.

01:25:53.720 They will inject stem cells to the damaged site.

01:25:56.720 The stem cells will then effectively copy the cartilage material and regrow it.

01:26:02.260 And so I met tons of fighters who said they had, you know, rotator cuff injuries or hip injuries.

01:26:07.440 And this is totally contrary to the established narrative in medicine.

01:26:12.660 You're not supposed to be able to do this.

01:26:15.080 And what these people are is biohackers. 0.99

01:26:18.120 Okay?

01:26:18.500 I – we put out an essay the other day where we talked about methylene blue.

01:26:21.720 I mean, think about it.

01:26:23.580 We now have, as the Secretary of Health and Human Services, a bodybuilder biohacker.

01:26:30.520 Yeah.

01:26:31.360 Okay?

01:26:31.840 What's happening in these sectors, like you're talking about the WFC and the bodybuilders and weightlifters, they are biohacking themselves.

01:26:44.100 They're experimenting with nutraceuticals, vitamins, all these other supplements in a really aggressive way.

01:26:50.280 And what they're doing is they're experimenting on themselves, and they are breaking the ice for all of us.

01:26:56.140 We owe them a huge debt.

01:26:57.500 You made an important word, though, because experimenting – I think a lot of people – like, I don't jump on – like, this is where an FDA is necessary.

01:27:04.960 Like, stem cells, super cool, but I don't just want to go to anybody that's injecting into eyeballs.

01:27:10.040 Oh, it does all this stuff.

01:27:11.520 Yeah, but what is the – we don't know what the long-term effects are going to be for these UFC fighters.

01:27:15.340 It may be great, but there aren't long-term trials there, you know, things like that.

01:27:19.260 So I'm all for – you should know you're experimenting.

01:27:22.320 You should know – the product should say this.

01:27:24.620 We have no long-term idea of, like, does it keep growing?

01:27:27.340 Does it turn into tumors?

01:27:28.660 We have no idea where this is all going.

01:27:30.460 It's so brand new.

01:27:32.240 So, yes, experiment.

01:27:33.600 Yes, we should do it.

01:27:34.700 Use it at your own risk.

01:27:35.800 Yes.

01:27:36.120 Use it at your own risk.

01:27:37.180 But I think we get into a dangerous place where it's just like, oh, it should just be available to everybody.

01:27:41.440 Look how great it is.

01:27:43.120 You know, mercury was great as a product.

01:27:45.340 I mean, it got rid of cold so quickly and cold sores.

01:27:48.400 But, Dill, I – okay, go ahead.

01:27:50.260 The question I wanted to ask when I brought it up was when they do stem cell IV infusion, they say that damaged – inflamed cells release chemical signals.

01:28:01.060 They attract stem cells.

01:28:02.080 The stem cells then bond to the area and replicate the nearby cells, effectively repairing the damage.

01:28:06.820 What would happen if someone got stem cell treatment every three months?

01:28:13.580 Could they live forever or what would happen if they're constantly injecting themselves with stem cells to repair damaged cells?

01:28:20.140 The answer is we don't know.

01:28:21.960 Right.

01:28:22.040 But this – the regenerative medicine is opening up whole new frontiers in terms of human longevity and the effects of age.

01:28:30.600 That is undeniable.

01:28:32.300 And unfortunately, because of a variety of policies, it is only really available to the wealthy or those that are willing to commit a large fraction of their income to maintaining their own personal health.

01:28:44.360 But this – you know, personally, you made the case that the FDA should be drawn back, or certainly you recited the case, that the FDA should be drawn back to the position where it ensures purity and identity.

01:28:59.220 Those are the technical terms.

01:28:59.880 Safety and purity, yeah, yeah.

01:29:00.800 Safety, purity, and identity, okay?

01:29:02.560 And doesn't take a position on efficacy.

01:29:05.360 It basically allows the consumer to make their own judgment.

01:29:09.900 This is fundamentally a libertarian position, and it puts you in control, Tim, of your own health.

01:29:17.920 You are the one – and it requires a person who is willing to take personal responsibility.

01:29:24.320 And in our culture right now, this is one of the fundamental problems.

01:29:27.580 We don't take personal responsibility for our own decisions in every which way, including our health decisions.

01:29:33.300 And so that's when we end up with this position.

01:29:35.880 Well, the state has the responsibility to ensure that everything is going to be hunky-dory for me if I do this, that, or the other thing, because I don't want to be personally responsible for it.

01:29:48.720 This gets into the logic of the pediatric schedule, everything.

01:29:54.960 I think it was the story of the time machine.

01:29:58.980 He goes into the future, and in the future, humanity is split into two different races. 0.99

01:30:03.080 There's, like, primitive, stupid creatures and then super-intelligent humans. 0.99

01:30:09.800 Maybe I'm getting the story wrong. 0.99

01:30:11.580 But thinking about all this stuff and talking about the stem cell therapy and other popular trends in health, it really does feel like we are moving in a direction where humanity will exist as two different cultural sets.

01:30:23.280 Well, this is the transhumanism argument, is that there is a school of thought, a lot of it concentrated in the Silicon Valley bros, the tech bros, that the human species is obsolete.

01:30:39.740 We've mismanaged the environment, and we have to turn over management of the globe and the future to intelligent machines.

01:30:52.460 I mean, how many science fiction movies do we have to see about this, right?

01:30:57.580 Terminator being the notable one and The Matrix being another.

01:31:01.000 But the theory is that humans are obsolete, that humans that refuse to accept things like Neuralink, that will allow them to directly connect as opposed to the indirect connections that we have with these, with this, you know, monster database artificial intelligence entity that's out there that is moving towards general autonomous artificial intelligence.

01:31:26.340 That's the Larry Ellison thing that he pitched to the president on the second day of his presidency.

01:31:36.800 So if you don't buy into that, then you'll be left behind and you'll functionally become akin to a pet.

01:31:44.940 And this is where a lot of the logic of the useless eaters, you've heard that, right, Klaus Schwab and all that, that's coming from that same space, that there is this theory that we are going to move to a position where eventually it's only going to be the machines that are going to be the evolved species and human beings are basically going to be akin to dogs.

01:32:06.760 And you recognize that, but there's nothing you can do about it.

01:32:11.320 When these people hook themselves up to the machine, their mental capacity will, assuming we get read-write technologies in Neuralink, which I assume is absolutely possible, I don't see why not.

01:32:21.660 And they can supplement their brain power with massive AI, maybe becoming some kind of creepy hive mind.

01:32:29.340 Who knows?

01:32:30.060 Let's just say a single individual, Silicon Tech Valley bro, pumps himself full of stem cells, chemicals or otherwise, plugs his brain into a computer.

01:32:36.460 We can sit here and speculate and say, we recognize what's going on.

01:32:42.020 They will be so far beyond that, they'll say, you know, the world's smartest man is no bigger threat to me than its smartest termite, effectively.

01:32:48.860 Yeah, but I think, first of all, you're only talking about two different positions, both around AI, cyborg.

01:32:56.760 Maha is going to be focused on building an ecosystem.

01:32:59.700 That's what I'm working on now is I'm the CEO of Maha Action, and we're also looking at building tools to build an ecosystem for the people that don't want to go down the pharma road.

01:33:09.820 That actually, there are so many practitioners, so many functional medicine doctors that are working with different types of energy, lasers, blue lights, red lights, all of these things.

01:33:20.020 Also, you know, biohackers that are, before you get into the sick care system that we're in, what if we developed a world where you can find people that actually make you, you know, healthier and stay healthier longer before you ever end up in a surgery or medical system?

01:33:35.620 There will be a future where there will be those that went down that road.

01:33:39.420 You're never going to end this pharmaceutical path.

01:33:41.440 You're not going to end those that are going to jump into AI or those that are going to be cyborgs, if you will.

01:33:46.900 And who knows who's the strongest that survives?

01:33:50.180 I just think you have to decide, you know, that you have to recognize that there's a difference now, that there's different paths that you can be taking and deciding what health means to you.

01:33:57.580 I remember once I was watching, because you talk about, like, getting a time capsule and saying, well, the advanced society was so much more advanced than this other group of, you know, that were, like, you know, Neanderthals.

01:34:08.100 But I think we've got a question also, what does it mean to modernize and what is the advanced society?

01:34:12.860 I was once watching a documentary back when I was, like, 20 years old about some pygmy tribe in South America, and they had never seen anybody until this documentary crew was there.

01:34:21.920 And they talked about how primitive they were, but, you know, when they described the lifestyle, like, the men would go out and, like, shoot a monkey out of the tree.

01:34:30.420 They'd grill it up and, like, spend a whole week.

01:34:33.440 The tribe would eat off of the one monkey.

01:34:35.280 They were fine.

01:34:36.120 The women all sat around, you know, in the river, like, you know, doing laundry and hanging out. 1.00

01:34:40.640 And the guys smoked something nearby and swung in hammocks for, like, six days, and they hunted one day a week.

01:34:45.880 And I just thought, we call that primitive.

01:34:47.960 I have a cell phone.

01:34:49.260 I have all this technology, and I'm working, you know, 18 hours a day, and I'm the advanced society.

01:34:55.240 It seems like the smart society would have been figuring out how to work less, and they've got that figured out.

01:34:59.420 Except they stubbed their toe, get an infection, and die.

01:35:01.400 Well, there could be that.

01:35:02.720 I think that's a good point.

01:35:05.580 But what world do you want to live in, and what does being advanced actually mean, I think, is a big question.

01:35:11.840 Thank you, Del.

01:35:12.480 Well, and that's a perfect lead-in to what I was hoping we could get into, is as humans, where are we going with this?

01:35:20.620 What is it that we want?

01:35:21.920 The thing that makes us human and that is being so badly damaged by this and that world, that tech world, is that one of the fundamentals of being human is your connectedness to other humans.

01:35:34.940 And organic connectedness, I look you in the eye, we shake hands, we're talking, we live with each other, we communicate within our communities.

01:35:45.680 That is what really gives value to life.

01:35:48.560 I think there are two worldviews, and one is, I exist to serve God, and the other is, I want to be God.

01:35:58.700 Fair enough.

01:35:59.460 Yeah, I agree.

01:35:59.900 With the transhumanists, and I think of the culture war, they want everything, and they care for nothing but themselves, largely. 1.00

01:36:09.040 It's narcissistic.

01:36:10.260 But then you have the inverse, which is the, I exist for the greater, be it, you know, those that find themselves aligned with Trump or Maha, who are secular or agnostic or atheist, still believe in the bigger picture.

01:36:22.600 That we exist to, for a better society, a better community, a country, or universe, whatever it may be, and then the religious and the devout say, I exist for the will of God or for God's, you know, divine mandate, whatever it may be.

01:36:33.940 The tech bros are basically like, there is no God.

01:36:37.460 I should be it.

01:36:37.900 That's exactly right.

01:36:38.580 That's Yuval Harari.

01:36:39.900 Yep.

01:36:40.140 And not only is there no God, we have become the gods.

01:36:43.840 That is explicitly the position of the World Economic Forum.

01:36:47.460 They're wrong.

01:36:47.820 I think it also comes down to fear of death, right?

01:36:51.160 I think if you have a connection with God, you don't have a fear of death, and you live for the moment and the day that you're in, and you realize that how long I'm on this planet, it's how I live anyway.

01:36:59.520 And people are like, how do you do what you do?

01:37:01.260 Aren't you afraid?

01:37:02.160 Things like that.

01:37:02.780 No, not at all, because I live for the day I'm in.

01:37:06.800 I want my kids, no matter when I die or how I die, I'm trying to represent to my kids, be passionate, do what you love, interact with human beings.

01:37:15.760 How long you're here is not defining the quality of your life.

01:37:19.680 You want to live every day.

01:37:21.300 I want to go to bed every day and say, you know what?

01:37:23.200 If I die tonight, it was a great day.

01:37:25.580 I truly interacted.

01:37:26.760 I had great relationships with people.

01:37:28.660 I did what I was passionate about.

01:37:30.200 I was good.

01:37:30.820 People were good to me.

01:37:32.180 It was an incredible moment, and I don't care how long we're here.

01:37:35.720 And frankly, I go to a lot of these biohacking seminars because I'm in groups, and I speak at them, but I don't want to live to be 100 years old.

01:37:43.200 I want to have the best life I can.

01:37:45.060 And I want to be as healthy for as long as I can.

01:37:47.600 But living forever to me is someone that's just afraid of dying and not accepting that this is just a temporary journey here.

01:37:54.780 It's a return to what is real, right?

01:37:57.240 And how do you get that?

01:37:58.520 And it's real connection to people, to the environment.

01:38:01.640 And I'm sure you guys have seen, like, the Blue Zones and this documentary, and it's always analyzing how these centenarians live.

01:38:08.480 And it's because they just live a real life.

01:38:11.160 They're outdoors.

01:38:12.180 They're connected to their community.

01:38:13.580 They're walking.

01:38:14.440 They don't overeat.

01:38:15.200 They eat real food.

01:38:15.860 Yeah, they don't overeat, and they eat real food.

01:38:18.120 But it's all the holistic picture of what is real, and that also comes with the purpose.

01:38:23.660 And when you have a purpose and you have that mortality, that makes it even more special.

01:38:28.280 And that's what's really, I think, Maha should be focused on.

01:38:31.780 And that costs little to no money.

01:38:34.400 Right.

01:38:34.500 And that's the whole key here is it should be decentralized because that is accessible for every single person.

01:38:40.480 It's one of the things we're thinking about right now with Maha Action is, and this is an idea from Dr. Oz who I'm talking to and Bobby, like, can we have an Alcoholics Anonymous but for health?

01:38:49.320 But we're just about community where we're going to try and set up on our website where we'll just give you, like, three interesting, a study or an article or a video and anywhere you are.

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01:39:52.200 People who are in the country start setting up groups to meet with each other, get together, to have an experience together, to talk about where your health is at.

01:40:00.240 Meet someone that says, hey, you know, I have been overeating.

01:40:03.180 I'm eating late at night.

01:40:03.960 Can I give you a call?

01:40:04.960 Maybe you can talk me off the ledge once in a while.

01:40:07.080 I'll try to do less like midnight cheesecake.

01:40:09.960 We talk about what is causing all of these problems.

01:40:13.300 And people like to mention the chemicals in our food as one, pharmaceuticals perhaps.

01:40:18.840 There's a couple that I think are—

01:40:20.220 Those are all outside.

01:40:21.520 They're doing it to me, not I have responsibility.

01:40:25.460 But a couple that I think need to be addressed are the social elements.

01:40:29.000 One, technology has stopped us from walking around.

01:40:31.560 So we do a lot of meetings remote.

01:40:33.340 We're on the internet all day.

01:40:34.060 We don't walk to the grocery store.

01:40:35.200 You order from Amazon.

01:40:36.400 But the other thing is the internet has separated community.

01:40:39.060 So you make a really great point.

01:40:40.460 You are the summation of the five people who surround you.

01:40:43.400 That's what they say.

01:40:44.180 But if you're surrounded by no one, you're just sitting in your house.

01:40:46.940 You're eating.

01:40:47.320 You're not exercising.

01:40:47.900 You're getting sick.

01:40:48.500 You have no influences.

01:40:49.880 If you go out and meet people, like you were saying, and make those connections, you will be heavily influenced by what you are able to do with those people.

01:40:57.200 For instance, if you want to get out of your house and hang out with people, and every time you do, they insist on going for a walk at the park, you will find yourself walking and losing weight inadvertently without effort.

01:41:08.000 And you're outside.

01:41:08.940 Exactly.

01:41:09.420 Sunlight, better health.

01:41:10.460 Then you're going to be like, normally I eat a double cheeseburger, a large fry, and a large Coke.

01:41:16.000 And the other four people say, well, there's this really great chicken place.

01:41:20.300 They've got lean meats and vegetables.

01:41:21.680 We'd rather go there.

01:41:22.420 And then you're like, okay, I guess.

01:41:23.720 You look at the menu, and you're like, no cheeseburgers?

01:41:25.580 I guess look at the chicken breast with broccoli.

01:41:27.900 Now you're eating healthier because of the people you've surrounded yourself with.

01:41:30.680 And that's where you could totally argue that technology is really like the most pervasive environmental toxin today because it hits us.

01:41:37.540 Well put.

01:41:38.940 I mean, directly, indirectly from the light, from the EMS, but then just keeping us inside and with no social connection.

01:41:46.920 And then COVID just accelerated that to the highest degree.

01:41:49.840 Well, so this is why now maybe it's a good time to introduce this.

01:41:53.020 Remember back in the day I got all attacked for talking about mass formation and the theories of Matthias Desmet.

01:42:00.780 Yeah.

01:42:00.860 So this idea that people can be readily hypnotized and become super suggestible has a lot to do if you – you know, I spent a lot of time with Matthias.

01:42:12.960 If you haven't interviewed that guy, one of my favorite dudes on the planet.

01:42:16.640 If you kind of unpack this, it all comes down to the fact that we've been socially fragmented.

01:42:21.760 And when we become socially fragmented, we become really susceptible to outside manipulation.

01:42:28.240 And by the way, we were talking about the fear of death.

01:42:31.760 That has become one of the major thrust vectors for pharma is they are exploiting the fear of death.

01:42:38.000 That's what a lot of their marketing is about, is about the fear of death.

01:42:41.520 If you think back – so let's just take, you know, fast-forwarding, let's take bird flu.

01:42:47.460 There is no evidence that bird flu, even according to the CDC, represents a major human health threat at this point.

01:42:53.680 And yet we are inundated with literally propaganda about how threatening that is.

01:42:59.520 And the subtext of it is that if you don't do something, if the government doesn't do something soon, we are at risk for swine flu, the great 1918 event that changed the world, right?

01:43:14.300 The prior pandemic.

01:43:15.940 And it turns out that really all that death was not about influenza.

01:43:19.600 It was about a subsequent bacterial pneumonia that we would cure routinely right now with a Z-Pak, okay? 0.99

01:43:26.620 And it was also about overdosing with aspirin.

01:43:29.520 But this is weaponized.

01:43:32.080 They make – they personalize an anomalous event like a measles death in Texas.

01:43:38.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:43:39.580 Measles is a great example.

01:43:41.160 The first death in 20 years.

01:43:41.640 The first death in 20 years from a Brady Bunch episode illness that had a death rate of 1 in 10,000 before a vaccine ever came along.

01:43:51.200 And that's amongst the infected.

01:43:52.780 The death rate in America was 1 out of every 500,000 people died in America.

01:43:57.440 But they make you think that one death could be you.

01:44:00.840 They don't look into was that child sick?

01:44:03.380 Were they malnourished?

01:44:04.260 Did they have other issues?

01:44:05.540 And that's what I'm arguing.

01:44:07.000 Well, this is happening to address the bird flu thing.

01:44:09.560 I don't believe that generally it's mustache-twirling villains who are like, let's psychologically attack Americans with the story because we're seeing it from all different media outlets.

01:44:19.200 What it is, largely – and there are certainly –

01:44:21.840 You're assuming that there's diversity amongst those media outlets.

01:44:24.480 There certainly are because the U.K. outlets are not operating in the same space politically and regionally as the American –

01:44:30.820 No, but they are all wrapped under the Trusted News initiative that's run by the BBC.

01:44:36.140 So a U.K. outlet with different politics to an American conservative outlet that are at odds with each other and on the different spectrum reporting the same things are not part of the same issue.

01:44:46.040 I mean, the entire world pushed the same false narrative around COVID.

01:44:50.940 You haven't been following USAID.

01:44:53.260 So the issue largely for these media companies is while we do know that there are powerful special interests that are deeply intertwined that want certain narratives to emerge, there are major pharmaceuticals that are running principal advertising and the bulk advertising for a lot of these companies.

01:45:06.240 The smaller outlets that are doing this and the reason it's much more pervasive than just principal corporate news outlets is that they're all going out of business.

01:45:13.840 They're laying off their staffs left and right.

01:45:15.320 FiveThirtyEight is now shutting down.

01:45:17.260 ABC is laying off staff.

01:45:18.280 CNN is laying off staff.

01:45:19.380 And they will latch on to anything that terrifies the public.

01:45:22.380 It's the old –

01:45:24.120 It's not true.

01:45:24.940 Well, it's the old journalist.

01:45:25.640 Because they would latch on to autism and vaccines and they would make a fortune.

01:45:29.300 Not so.

01:45:29.700 They'd lose their advertisers.

01:45:30.580 They'd lose their advertisers.

01:45:31.720 That's the point.

01:45:32.800 They don't talk about –

01:45:34.400 They don't talk about –

01:45:35.340 This is exactly my point.

01:45:36.920 Okay.

01:45:37.220 All right.

01:45:37.640 They need views to sell ads.

01:45:39.640 Yes.

01:45:39.940 They cannot offend their advertisers, be it Burger King or Pfizer.

01:45:43.360 How can they get views?

01:45:44.660 They're going to scream bird flu in your face as loud as possible.

01:45:47.940 Right.

01:45:48.420 Because it's acceptable to the advertisers.

01:45:50.180 So they're in a very narrowing hallway and it's why they're dying.

01:45:53.760 But that ecosystem that you're talking about, the kind of – if it bleeds, it leads ecosystem, which we're talking about, that gets clicks, likes and follows and advertising revenue propagates all the way down to the smallest podcaster, frankly.

01:46:05.800 It does.

01:46:07.100 So we are seeing a big change with podcasts in general because sponsorships have decentralized completely.

01:46:13.820 And there are shows that built themselves off of particular audiences.

01:46:17.780 So I'll give you a great example of the limitations we face.

01:46:21.980 Are you familiar with the Halo app?

01:46:24.420 It's a Christian prayer meditation app.

01:46:26.580 I think it's awesome.

01:46:27.700 I think it's a really cool thing.

01:46:28.900 Mark Wahlberg advertises it.

01:46:30.220 It was Ash Wednesday this week.

01:46:32.560 Chris Pratt did a commercial.

01:46:33.780 It was very great.

01:46:34.320 I am not a Christian.

01:46:35.100 I do believe in God, but I'm not a Christian.

01:46:37.540 They sponsored Timcast IRL and I said it's not appropriate for me to read an ad for a Christian prayer app as not a Christian. 0.74

01:46:43.040 However, Mary Morgan, a recurring guest, one of our hosts here at Timcast, is a devout Catholic and does have the app and said I will read that.

01:46:50.020 But advertisers come to us, and in a more decentralized way, I'm not going to run an ad because in the podcasting space, I, as the host and the personality that represents certain moral values, have things I can or cannot offer up.

01:47:05.440 How could I do a show where I routinely talk about my spiritual views, not Christian, but, you know, not necessarily deist, and then all of a sudden be like, I'm going to promote this ad saying it's the best ad.

01:47:15.860 You can find Jesus, whatever.

01:47:16.880 People would be like, you're full of it.

01:47:18.700 Right.

01:47:19.060 That's the problem is you'll destroy your legitimacy.

01:47:22.480 So now with the media space being decentralized largely, and instead of there being three channels, there's 300 top podcasts, you're not going to see Joe Rogan in all likelihood run an ad for Pfizer and FanApps, Peridone or whatever it's called, because he's going to be like, I routinely talk against big pharmaceutical manipulation of media.

01:47:44.680 How could I read this ad for any amount of money, whereas cable TV news has not attached any individual's worldview to the ads they do, so it doesn't matter if a host says, I'm deeply concerned about big pharma, and then a commercial runs for big pharma.

01:47:58.180 Likely, the editorial department will say, ease up on big pharma, they're sponsoring the show.

01:48:04.340 Or famously, one of my favorite jokes from The Simpsons is when Krusty the Clown says something off-color, and then Bart says, he's just going to blame it on his Percodan addiction, and then Krusty says, it's not my fault, it's my Percodan addiction. 0.97

01:48:17.820 Anyway, now a word from our new sponsor, Percodan, oh, crap. 0.93

01:48:21.600 That's how it used to be.

01:48:22.600 Now it is decentralizing, and I think one of the reasons we're seeing Maha become – it's in the Trump administration.

01:48:30.240 I love it.

01:48:31.780 It is – RFK Jr. is the head of HHS.

01:48:36.340 It's because of a decentralized media that is allowing people to see different perspectives, and it's breaking the advertising cartel that ran big networks.

01:48:45.800 They're losing all of their audience.

01:48:47.940 It's broken.

01:48:48.940 We broke it.

01:48:49.640 Absolutely.

01:48:50.040 This last election proved that you and Joe Rogan and those of us that have been podcasting or doing new media, we broke it.

01:48:58.860 We won.

01:48:59.720 Bigger than Donald Trump getting into office is the fact that the mainstream legacy media ran a 24-hour-a-day news cycle, and the two biggest baddies in that news cycle were Donald Trump and Robert Kennedy Jr.

01:49:12.620 I happened to be director of communications for Robert Kennedy Jr. the entire time.

01:49:16.300 The guy was polling 20 percent almost out of the gate as an independent candidate, the most successful independent candidate there was.

01:49:24.660 If, as your point, media was like, you know, if it bleeds, it reads, you had a guy that was going to change this election in one way or another.

01:49:32.520 With 20 percent of the vote, he had power to affect this vote.

01:49:35.880 And in our entire run for two straight years, he only appeared in interviews on legacy media twice.

01:49:43.200 He got two interviews that whole time.

01:49:44.900 They literally thought we could starve him out.

01:49:47.020 We can only talk about him in negative terms, and he will never get anywhere.

01:49:50.620 This was the podcast election.

01:49:53.160 It was the podcast election.

01:49:54.540 I will say, when I was standing in the Oval Office, when Bobby put his hand on that Bible, and I was thinking, you know what, this is even sweeter than if he was being sworn in as president of the United States right now.

01:50:05.040 For those of us that have known him, that have been in this medical freedom fight, because had he been president, which would have been amazing, you could have said, well, maybe it's his Ukraine view or all the other brilliant things that he talks about.

01:50:15.580 He's so well read, but I was sitting there on the plane home thinking his most controversial issue is his positions on health.

01:50:24.340 It is the most controversial space he's in.

01:50:26.300 It's where he's been tarred and feathered for over a decade now, and we just put him not just in a health position.

01:50:34.920 He just took the most powerful position in health in the world, which is the most controversial space he lives in, with a 24-hour-a-day news cycle funded by the pharmaceutical industry trying to stop him.

01:50:49.260 The globalists trying to stop him.

01:50:50.680 Bro, we have taken the power.

01:50:53.220 Now we've got to say what we've got to watch out for is, is it going to stay decentralized?

01:50:58.120 All the powers, all the money in the world is trying to figure out how to manipulate us, how to get a hold of YouTube, how to make sure that we can't move again.

01:51:05.960 I'm glad RFK Jr. lost, because as president, he would not have been able to dedicate his sole focus to HHS the way he can now.

01:51:14.600 And so obviously, I think he would have been a great president.

01:51:17.660 But the position he's in now allows him not to be bogged down by foreign policy reports in the morning.

01:51:22.840 He can go after the health issue, which I think, we interviewed him on IRL, and I said this afterwards, it was obvious.

01:51:29.340 You talk to him about politics, he's going to tell you about politics, he's going to tell you what he knows.

01:51:32.180 When you talk to him about health, he lights up.

01:51:34.080 Like a Christmas tree, he can tell you everything.

01:51:36.300 He gets passionate, he gets high energy.

01:51:40.400 And I said, that's what he deeply cares about.

01:51:42.580 So this administration right now, Tulsi, D&I, with Elon doing Doge, with RFK at HHS, it's a dream team.

01:51:48.620 It's a dream team of passionate people in their wheelhouse space.

01:51:52.080 We have never seen anything like this.

01:51:54.600 In fact, and I've said when we were coming into the end of the election, to reporters, look at, well, what's Robert Kennedy Jr. really going to do?

01:52:02.820 I was like, I'll tell you what Donald Trump has done.

01:52:05.360 Whether you love him or you hate him, either way, our country is now involved in politics.

01:52:12.340 We are focused now.

01:52:13.800 I would say if I went out on the street and stopped 1,000 people and said, this is right before the election, who's our current HHS secretary?

01:52:20.680 How many people would be able to answer that?

01:52:21.880 They wouldn't know.

01:52:22.800 I said, now who's about to be HHS secretary?

01:52:25.360 They'd be like, oh, Robert Kennedy Jr.

01:52:27.040 That's more than just celebrity.

01:52:29.060 That's the fact that we're engaged.

01:52:30.720 When have we ever watched a Trump with Elon Musk and Dr. Oz and Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard?

01:52:37.540 You know, we know these people like they're superheroes.

01:52:40.980 We're more engaged now.

01:52:42.600 And to Trump's point, he's treating it almost like a reality show.

01:52:46.060 He's bringing in media people, people that are stars in the space that they're in.

01:52:50.140 So, while we're engaged, we've got to make sure that the people don't just sit back and think that those five people are going to change the world. 0.97

01:52:57.360 They're not going to do shit without us. 0.96

01:52:59.400 It's the pressure that comes from our involvement. 0.98

01:53:02.500 This is a nation that only works if it's of, for, and by the people, not just by the five people that we've selected.

01:53:10.000 It means we've got to stay engaged right now, which is a critical moment.

01:53:14.540 I'm afraid we're going to go back to sleep.

01:53:16.180 I warn you, do you think that the machine, the narrative machine, is simply going to be like, well, guess we lost?

01:53:23.500 Or are they going to take a look at, they've got $25 million in Rachel Maddow for her contract per year. 0.99

01:53:31.820 They're going to have a meeting and they're going to say, and I mean that, I mean literally Comcast, MSNBC, big corporate heads, big Democrat donors.

01:53:38.440 They're going to say, how many top global podcasts can we buy for $25 million in a year?

01:53:44.960 And I'm going to be honest, you go to any of these prominent liberals, offer them $1 million, they will say yes.

01:53:50.640 In fact, many of them would sign with those networks for free of charge in exchange for marketing and being part of the network.

01:53:58.660 $25 million Rachel Maddow is flushed down the toilet when she gets no ratings.

01:54:02.060 Sure, she gets great ratings among 70-year-olds.

01:54:03.480 But with this being the podcast presidency, expect to see this year and next, I'm talking hundreds of millions of dollars invested into liberal establishment.

01:54:13.640 And let's just say, you're going to start seeing big podcasters brought to you by Pfizer.

01:54:19.660 I agree. I don't think it'll matter.

01:54:21.660 I think what this encapsulates is the importance really is not just of Maha and the administration, but the continuation of the momentum on the consumer level of people.

01:54:32.280 And if that continues, then that stuff won't matter.

01:54:35.920 I think it won't matter.

01:54:37.200 You're not popular because of the people that fund you or the ads that you do.

01:54:41.800 You're popular because of your voice.

01:54:43.380 Because enough people said, I've watched Tim get it right enough times that I am repeating my visit there.

01:54:49.880 This idea that social media somehow manipulates people and creates a bubble, we don't keep going back to a podcaster that we catch lying, getting it wrong.

01:54:59.240 What they think, this is their problem.

01:55:01.460 The pharmaceutical industry, yes, they are going to fund a podcaster to spew a bunch of bullcrap that doesn't stand up, that will support the next COVID virus that comes along or pandemic and the products behind it.

01:55:12.340 But the population will, it won't matter that it was legacy media or podcast.

01:55:16.060 Totally disagree.

01:55:16.560 The strategies they use for narrative manipulation are more sophisticated than that.

01:55:23.440 And the only reason they failed is because they largely ignored the space and couldn't get a grasp on it.

01:55:27.320 What they've been doing for some time, and I likely believe they will ramp up, this is the importance of Rumble, why Rumble must succeed.

01:55:33.860 People think, oh, Trump's in, it's over, we win.

01:55:35.780 No, it's not.

01:55:37.320 TikTok is a really great example.

01:55:39.180 Donald Trump is supporting TikTok.

01:55:40.400 It's a tremendous mistake.

01:55:41.240 Like, we had the older millennial on last night, he's been banned, he said, 61 times on a 60-second account.

01:55:46.840 TikTok, you operate these, it's outside of our jurisdiction as the United States.

01:55:52.140 We can't take a look at their algorithm.

01:55:53.440 We can't take a look at their data capture.

01:55:55.080 We can't take a look at what narratives they're pushing, but we can generally see on the surface what they are.

01:55:59.840 Dylan Mulvaney with 13 million followers on TikTok, never banned, no issues.

01:56:05.900 What they do is they will operate a censorship pressure valve.

01:56:10.420 That, if we are not, if we're not, if we don't have, if we're not competing on an even playing field.

01:56:15.720 We will not be.

01:56:16.320 We will not be.

01:56:16.940 That I agree with.

01:56:17.660 So this is why Rumble must succeed.

01:56:19.400 It's why we joined Rumble recently more heavily as part of a network, and it's why we've been posting on Rumble for a long time.

01:56:24.920 And it's a challenge because a lot of people, you know, nobody, nobody wants to be the first to sacrifice, to plant the tree whose shade they know they won't sit beneath.

01:56:33.200 What's going to happen is the big tech platforms are going to feign adherence to Donald Trump as they are.

01:56:37.920 They're going to donate to him.

01:56:38.700 They're going to set the censorship levels at 51% censored conservative, 49% censored Democrat.

01:56:44.540 They're going to create a downward slope towards pro-pharma, pro-narrative machine, knowing that if they come out with the liberals version of Joe Rogan, who simply says, we love big pharma, it's not going to work.

01:56:56.000 But if they suppress Joe and cap his maximum reach and then prop up more moderate – I'll give you a good example.

01:57:04.660 Gavin Newsom.

01:57:05.880 Why is Gavin Newsom sitting down with Charlie Kirk?

01:57:07.800 It's because he's trying to recapture lost liberals and say, what are the issues we can sacrifice on?

01:57:16.000 He talks to Charlie Kirk about transgender sports.

01:57:18.400 He talks to him about books and schools.

01:57:20.080 And he concedes largely those points, resulting in a massive leftist, far-leftist backlash.

01:57:24.840 He does not care.

01:57:25.540 Cenk Uygur and the Young Turks, same deal.

01:57:28.460 They want to recapture the middle.

01:57:30.420 And so they're saying, let's sacrifice these portions that have failed us.

01:57:33.740 Let's realign.

01:57:35.020 And in 10 or 15 years, we will have recaptured the modern American audience.

01:57:38.900 Because we, as independent producers, will not be able to compete with Comcast and Disney putting $1 billion behind podcasters.

01:57:48.180 And while we can say, as of now, people want authenticity, they will figure out how to make it work.

01:57:53.460 And if you don't believe me, ask Coca-Cola why they keep buying commercials, even though they're the most popular beverage in the world or whatever it may be.

01:58:00.600 Why are there Coke ads everywhere?

01:58:02.540 Because mass media works.

01:58:04.740 It sets narrative.

01:58:05.500 The reason why I think we largely won is because they made mistakes in this space.

01:58:11.400 They made mistakes early on that they could not rectify soon enough.

01:58:14.860 If they had censored Joe Rogan in 2011 when he was on Ustream or whatever, we would not be in this point.

01:58:20.820 You're right.

01:58:21.220 That I agree with you.

01:58:22.220 I mean, I was just saying as far as our voices, if they get control of the levers and they censor us, which was the bullet, I hope.

01:58:29.480 I mean, we at least dodged some of it the moment Donald Trump dodged that bullet, this nation dodged a bullet because, I mean, the ads that I was running, I left the campaign at the very end just to move Kennedy voters over to Trump, which was a crazy experience.

01:58:43.760 But we ran an ad that we called End Free Speech, and it was Kamala Harris promising censorship and John Kerry demanding censorship.

01:58:52.620 So we were on the verge of losing our First Amendment right, which is the only right that actually matters because nothing exists after.

01:59:01.080 In order to preserve democracy.

01:59:02.720 In order to preserve democracy.

01:59:03.820 I mean, it's insane.

01:59:05.640 So, but you're right.

01:59:06.920 We've got to be really careful.

01:59:08.120 And I'm not sure, you know, hopefully Donald Trump has enough people around him.

01:59:11.660 I think a huge transition, by the way, is watching that we're not going to vaccinate the birds all of a sudden to see the USDA make a ship because there's a lot of concerns.

01:59:20.440 So it looks like the Trump administration is growing an ability to evolve and learn, which I don't think it had during the last time.

01:59:29.240 I'll add one thing to this, which is breaking news as of last night, yesterday.

01:59:33.660 Act Blue is in chaos.

01:59:36.540 This is the Democrats' fundraising platform.

01:59:38.200 They lost, what, seven executives.

01:59:39.240 The speculation right now is the gutting of USAID funds and the EPA $375 billion slush fund has pulled hundreds of billions of dollars out of the establishment bureaucratic states machine.

01:59:52.700 And so while we do fear mass investment into opposition media, or I shouldn't call it opposition.

01:59:59.080 It's opposition at this point because we won.

02:00:02.280 Maybe not.

02:00:03.420 Maybe this is why Donald Trump is in for one month and he's going so heavy with Doge and going after these agencies because he is, I call it Donald Trump's march to the sea on the deep state.

02:00:13.700 So what we're learning, and you're correctly pointing out, is that globally, a lot of the Western media has been subsidized as an agent of foreign policy and state policy.

02:00:33.860 That's what USAID was doing.

02:01:03.860 It's time to make your move.

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02:01:29.580 Mike Benz talks about it as soft power.

02:01:32.240 And he basically makes the case that as an empire, that we have to use soft power and it's to some extent appropriate that we do so.

02:01:42.760 And one of our primary mechanisms, one of the most effective, cost-effective mechanisms is not armed combat, but it's information warfare.

02:01:50.640 And that we've used as an agent of a product of State Department and foreign policy now for decades.

02:02:01.560 And it has been enormously effective.

02:02:04.740 We have engaged in regime change.

02:02:07.500 The color revolutions have all been sponsored through the mechanisms that are now being revealed with the USAID funding.

02:02:14.320 We've created our own news agencies, our own reporter training programs.

02:02:20.560 You know, one of the things I love to cite, you ever heard of advocacy journalism?

02:02:26.700 Advocacy journalism is the norm now.

02:02:28.660 Okay.

02:02:28.840 Well, who funded the transition of all of the major academic centers for teaching journalism to transition towards advocacy journalism?

02:02:41.000 The answer is Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

02:02:42.720 That the forces that are underneath this, Soros was partnered with USAID across the world.

02:02:50.780 This is big money and it has been central to this manipulation of narrative.

02:02:57.460 And it has been justified as necessary in order to enable U.S. foreign policy objectives and maintenance of the U.S. imperial state.

02:03:06.640 But that's where we're at.

02:03:08.600 And as you point out, suddenly the rug is pulled out and those systems, those NGOs that were dependent on government funding and so therefore were not truly non-governmental are collapsing.

02:03:21.260 I also want to point out that we were given an advantage we may never get again, which was the COVID pandemic. 0.58

02:03:26.240 The biggest mistake the machine made, and I think about like the they, where they planning the takeover of the world, and I've always said the vaccines, is one of the great controls of humanity. 0.98

02:03:38.200 If you can just be injecting everybody with products that they just line up, they never ask a question, there's all sorts of controls you can have there.

02:03:45.080 But, you know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

02:03:46.600 It's just the obvious truth.

02:03:47.520 But here's the point.

02:03:48.480 At some point, the globalists were going to have to finally take America and get us to agree to give up our rights.

02:03:54.600 And how are they going to do that?

02:03:56.180 And then, you know, if you look at it from, you know, Club of Rome and all this.

02:03:59.860 Implement the China model. 0.85

02:04:01.300 Implement the China model. 0.85

02:04:02.280 But at some point, they're going to have to go for the land grab.

02:04:04.660 COVID was that moment.

02:04:05.960 But here's the tragic mistake they made.

02:04:08.220 Up until that point, most of us were too busy to pay attention.

02:04:12.420 We got used to a news cycle that was just sound bites and bumper stickers because it's all we had time for.

02:04:16.820 We're working two jobs.

02:04:18.020 I can barely survive.

02:04:19.120 I'm not taking a vacation anymore.

02:04:20.800 I'm too busy to worry about what's in my food.

02:04:22.900 I'm too busy to read the label.

02:04:24.140 I'm too busy to ask my doctor a question.

02:04:26.060 I'm just handing my kid over.

02:04:27.140 I'm just in.

02:04:27.780 Then all of a sudden, in their infinite wisdom, in their last power grab to grab control and take away our First Amendment rights and our Constitution rights,

02:04:34.720 they said, let's lock them in their house so that they cannot move.

02:04:38.300 And suddenly we sat there and said, huh, I got nothing to do.

02:04:42.420 Who's this Tim Pool guy?

02:04:44.240 Oh, my God.

02:04:45.020 A two-hour pie.

02:04:45.900 I don't normally watch anything for two hours.

02:04:48.240 But I got nothing left to do.

02:04:49.940 And they kicked back and we got to them.

02:04:52.440 We finally had – Robert Kennedy Jr. could speak for hours about all the truth, and that's the biggest mistake they made.

02:04:59.940 The machine that locked us down should never have done that if they wanted to take over the world.

02:05:05.580 The censorship machine was the worst it has ever been in that period.

02:05:09.660 The problem is you can only push so far before you break the machine.

02:05:15.420 The pressure causes a political explosion.

02:05:19.560 So for shows like ours, Tim Guest IRL, for instance, we were enjoying during the peak of COVID 80,000, 90,000 concurrent viewers per episode, getting a million plus per night.

02:05:29.440 People had nothing to do and nowhere to go.

02:05:31.260 So they were watching nothing but us criticize not so much anything that broke the rules, authoritarianism.

02:05:39.160 So for a lot of shows that spoke about lab leak theory, vaccination, or alternative medications, whatever it may be, banned instantly.

02:05:46.720 For shows like ours, we were like, look, man, talk to a doctor.

02:05:49.620 I'm not a doctor.

02:05:50.960 Authoritarianism is wrong.

02:05:53.060 You should have the right to make choices for yourself.

02:05:54.680 One of the big points that I made during this, which I think was a good contribution, was I don't care if you guys get vaccinated.

02:06:03.460 I really don't.

02:06:03.980 If your doctor tells you you should get it, listen to your doctor.

02:06:05.900 If you don't trust your doctor, it's called the second opinion.

02:06:07.420 That's normal.

02:06:07.980 It's in modern society.

02:06:09.460 What was strange to me was celebrities advocating for driving their cars into parking lots of 7-Elevens and letting people they've never met inject them with anything.

02:06:17.440 And so there was one moment where Casey Neistat, he's a good dude, I got no beef, tweeted, go get vaccinated.

02:06:24.600 I responded to him saying, how about you go talk to your doctor about what's right for you?

02:06:29.460 Right.

02:06:30.160 And he responded with, that's strange.

02:06:32.420 I didn't go to a doctor.

02:06:33.380 I pulled up into a parking lot and got a vaccine from a site.

02:06:35.860 And I said, you let a strange guy on the street inject you with something without going?

02:06:40.920 And for that narrative right there, one, didn't break any rules.

02:06:45.380 I never told anybody not to get vaccinated.

02:06:47.020 And I'm saying, no, no, no, the rules were you cannot give medical advice to people watching the show.

02:06:53.500 That's what the big concern was.

02:06:54.700 I agree.

02:06:55.460 I do not want that liability on me.

02:06:57.500 So we had we had doctors out here.

02:06:59.840 I got prescribed monoclonal antibodies.

02:07:01.420 Right.

02:07:01.840 They told me I was told not to get the vaccine because I was too young.

02:07:05.600 They said, don't take it from someone who needs it.

02:07:07.940 And I said, OK, that's it.

02:07:10.060 Maybe your doctor will tell you something different.

02:07:11.520 Maybe I'll get vaccinated.

02:07:12.860 But would you really walk into a 7-Eleven parking lot and let a stranger you never met give you an injection?

02:07:17.020 What if you what if you have an allergy?

02:07:18.800 What if what if there's something in your medical history the doctor doesn't know about?

02:07:22.860 This was for a lot of people like, oh, that makes sense.

02:07:25.480 And they they couldn't ban us for it.

02:07:27.620 We didn't break any rules.

02:07:29.620 So for the people that were outright saying no and for the I was outright saying no, but I had a different model than you.

02:07:36.560 I went basically on completely on donations.

02:07:39.840 I built my own Web site.

02:07:41.280 I built my own player.

02:07:42.380 I got off because I was canceled on YouTube.

02:07:44.400 I was canceled on Facebook.

02:07:45.440 But I saw it coming.

02:07:46.700 And when I saw it coming, I said to all my audience that I built on those platforms, they're going to take me down.

02:07:51.260 They're going to take me down.

02:07:52.180 They're lying to you.

02:07:53.060 Start, you know, the highwire.com.

02:07:55.420 Just know I'm there.

02:07:56.260 And we ended up through COVID having 7 million views a week on our show.

02:08:00.040 And I spend half that money suing the government of the United States.

02:08:03.720 So I've won against the FDA, the NIH, CDC, Health and Human Services.

02:08:07.540 When you heard that the Pfizer documents were 75 years the FDA wanted to hide the Pfizer data, my nonprofit, my viewers paid to win that lawsuit.

02:08:16.680 We won the Pfizer data, the Moderna data.

02:08:18.840 So you want to talk about activist television.

02:08:20.980 I'm an activist.

02:08:21.920 I spend millions of dollars on the money I bring in suing the government of the United States and proving my truth.

02:08:26.320 We got time for just one more thing.

02:08:27.740 I want to ask you about that.

02:08:28.580 But now that RFK Jr. is the HHS secretary, what happens to the legal – you know, during the Biden administration, you're suing.

02:08:36.760 You're demanding information.

02:08:37.840 Do you now simply text him on the phone, please, can I have this information?

02:08:41.360 No, because he still needs an avenue to get the information out.

02:08:45.320 There's only so much he can report.

02:08:46.960 We're still going to be bringing FOIA requests, Freedom of Information Act requests.

02:08:50.460 We have a bigger legal army now going after the government than we ever have before.

02:08:56.320 And Bobby, I mean, I don't know.

02:08:57.720 We're going to see what happens.

02:08:58.580 So far, we haven't gotten a redacted document.

02:09:00.440 He hasn't been in there long enough.

02:09:01.460 But I'm going to assume there is a bureaucracy in there.

02:09:03.740 Someone might try to send us a redacted document.

02:09:06.940 Then I'm going to go, hey, Bobby, we're getting some redacted documents.

02:09:10.360 And by the way, guess who I'm suing if I have to sue to get what's written below these black lines?

02:09:15.740 I'm going to be suing Robert Kennedy Jr.

02:09:17.840 And I have no problem doing that.

02:09:19.460 And I don't think he has a problem having me do that.

02:09:21.200 Hopefully, it doesn't get to that point.

02:09:22.560 But this idea that suddenly the legal pressure is going to be off is the same thing I'm saying.

02:09:26.420 Not only is our legal pressure going to double up, the public pressure has to stay on there.

02:09:30.480 Robert Kennedy Jr. can only do what he wants to do and bring transparency if we keep demanding it.

02:09:35.620 If we go back to sleep and just let the pharmaceutical industry infiltrate our podcast and take over our television, he will be powerless.

02:09:42.760 His power is in the people right now.

02:09:45.700 And so we've got to watch.

02:09:46.860 Look at how much they're trying to turn the entire country against.

02:09:49.580 When did we ever care that government was being fired?

02:09:52.480 I mean, it's amazing to watch, like, liberal media.

02:09:55.100 Like, do Democrats?

02:09:56.200 You actually care?

02:09:57.560 Had they ever heard of USAID before?

02:09:59.100 I mean, it's crazy.

02:10:00.660 Gentlemen, this has been a lot of fun.

02:10:02.100 I really do appreciate all of you coming and having the conversation.

02:10:05.120 We're going to wrap things up.

02:10:05.960 Did you want to shout anything out before we go?

02:10:08.000 Yeah, I mean, just check out mahaaction.com.

02:10:10.920 And then my other background is thehighwire.com.

02:10:14.620 That's where I do a lot of my information, my most cutting-edge stuff.

02:10:17.560 And we're still funded by the people.

02:10:18.980 And so far, we're up and running.

02:10:20.260 Right on.

02:10:20.700 Malone.news, Cywar, Enforcing the New World Order is the book.

02:10:26.160 And at rwmalonemd on X, Truth Social, Getter, and now Parler.

02:10:36.660 Right on.

02:10:38.880 Daylightcomputer.com.

02:10:40.020 That's our company.

02:10:40.940 We're trying to build healthier technology.

02:10:42.940 So I mentioned that was a big environmental toxin.

02:10:46.100 And at bitcoinand__beef is my Twitter.

02:10:49.620 That was a book I wrote.

02:10:50.940 Four years ago.

02:10:52.380 Right on, gentlemen.

02:10:53.280 It's been a blast.

02:10:53.900 Thanks for hanging out.

02:10:54.760 We're going to go, I think, we're having sushi, which is healthy, and then pizza, which is

02:11:00.080 halfway there.

02:11:01.300 We'll be back tonight at 8 p.m. at rumble.com slash timcastirl.

02:11:05.780 It's going to be interesting because this Act Blue scandal is crazy.

02:11:08.720 And the theory, of course, is that gutting USAID ripped funding for the Democrats out from

02:11:12.960 under them.

02:11:13.340 We'll see.

02:11:14.000 Thanks for hanging out.

02:11:14.740 We'll see you all tonight.

02:11:20.700 Thank you.

02:11:22.380 Thank you.

02:11:23.500 Yeah.

02:11:29.900 Yeah.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - March 07, 2025

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