Del Bigtree, Director of Communications for Robert F. Kennedy Jr. joins me to discuss his life, career, and political career. We discuss his views on the MMR vaccine, the Measles Epidemic, and much more.
00:08:26.800And they put a little blindfold on the baby.
00:08:28.700And the blue light has an effect on the bilirubin in the blood, which makes it, it transforms it into a different particle or whatever, I don't know, protein or something, making it easier to remove.
00:08:39.220And that kind of blew my mind, because I never actually thought about light actually affects the things in your blood.
00:08:46.000And at hospitals, they literally have blue lights to change things in your blood.
00:08:52.700So people really don't consider how your screens, your TVs, how it's affecting your brain, your blood, your body.
00:08:59.820And so when we're getting along, when we're setting up the show, it's like, what should we talk about?
00:09:04.780There's the bird flu, the culling of the chickens.
00:09:06.540And there's this war on the health of human beings, essentially, that I'm not saying literally there's evil people twirling their mustaches and being like, how can we harm as many people as possible?
00:09:18.560But we've built this world with artificial dyes, preservatives that are toxic and poisonous, and TV screens that blast us with these lights.
00:09:28.680And we don't realize, and not to mention, non-ionizing radiation and often inadvertently ionizing radiation.
00:09:35.460And we are living in this world where we're looking at chronic disease, questions around why it's happening.
00:09:41.040And then we have a population that's not getting enough sleep.
00:09:43.780They're getting blasted with blue light before sleep.
00:09:45.940They're eating – their diets are all out of whack.
00:09:49.260Like they're eating way too many sugars, way too few proteins, getting no vitamins.
00:09:53.860So I guess we can just start here somewhere at the beginning.
00:09:57.440What is, in your guys' opinion, the largest contributor to the chronic health epidemic in the United States?
00:10:11.040I mean, that really is the issue, right?
00:10:14.020And it's interesting because, you know, I've been a journalist most of my life in looking at medicine and science.
00:10:20.600But working with Bobby for the first time, I've always had an opinion about politics and, you know, decisions that politicians are making.
00:10:27.940But when you start, you know, really running a candidate, and then as he got closer and closer and finally made this decision to be HHS secretary, you know, things like, I want a free market, right?
00:10:39.620But then when you look at like red dye number three, which was removed, I think, two days before Biden left office and Califf, who was the FDA head, they were asking him, you know, what took so long?
00:10:51.480You knew for 10 years this, you know, can cause cancer.
00:10:55.500We took it out of cosmetics, but left it in food.
00:10:58.500And he said, you know, and it was like sort of the discussion we've all been hearing about Froot Loops, that the colors in Froot Loops are, there's chemicals that are poisonous.
00:17:56.120It's approved as an active substance until 2033 with certain conditions and restrictions.
00:18:03.020How do they prevent it from getting in the food, though, if they're putting it on crops?
00:18:06.280I mean, obviously, in the United States, do they test the food to make sure it didn't contaminate it or something?
00:18:12.160I don't know the nuances of what's going on in Europe in terms of how they're maintaining their integrity, their food supply.
00:18:18.420But I know in the United States there is testing done, and it's demonstrating that we have high levels of glyphosate in virtually all of our soybean and grain crops.
00:18:30.600The website also, aside from saying they did approve it, mentions that the European Commission officially received the submissions of the fourth successful European Citizens Initiative by supporting the Stop Glyphosate European Citizens Initiative.
00:18:42.720Over one million citizens from at least seven member states have called in the EU to propose member states' ban, a ban on glyphosate, to reform the pesticide approval procedure and set EU-wide mandatory reduction targets for pesticide use.
00:18:56.940I guess my question then is, it's interesting, when I pull up the wiki, not like Wikipedia is the greatest source or anything like that, it just says it kills weeds.
00:19:06.300At some point, they decided instead of killing weeds that they were going to use it as a desiccant to prepare crops.
00:19:21.460No, by the way, the ones that are not genetically modified, the entire purpose of genetically modified food was to design vegetables that don't die when you spray this deadly poison on it and everything else around it dies.
00:19:31.720So you're getting glyphosate on the GMO crops.
00:19:34.700The entire purpose of a GMO crop is one that is glyphosate resistant.
00:19:38.420And then you take the ones that aren't GMO crops and you kill them, which is why when you see a loaf of bread and it says non-GMO, that's not a good thing.
00:19:49.460What it's saying is this was just regular wheat that we poured glyphosate all over it before we ground it up and stuck it in this loaf of bread.
00:19:56.240So people need to recognize that that non-GMO, sure, the crop wasn't designed to be Roundup resistant.
00:20:04.520They didn't want it to be because they used it at the last minute to dry the entire crop out.
00:20:08.740So you're getting it no matter what you do.
00:20:10.700But I think to the point also the farmers are terrified of Robert Kennedy Jr., people wanting to look at glyphosate and say it's going to infect their entire industry.
00:20:18.680You know, this is what they've gotten used to as modern farming, and now we've got to figure out how do we move them back into regenerative farming, organic farming.
00:20:57.400Well, real quick, I guess I would call it the mainstream statement or view on glyphosate is that it is a misinformation campaign that glyphosate causes autism or cancers.
00:21:10.780There's an article from Science Based Medicine saying that Stephanie Seneff, a computer scientist at MIT who thinks that gives her sufficient expertise in epidemiology due to studies in it, among her wider claims, that glyphosate, GMOs, and other modern lifestyle factors are responsible for the recent increase in concussions.
00:21:26.900She's long been claiming glyphosate causes autism.
00:21:29.640Perhaps my favorite claim of hers is that by 2025, half of all children will be autistic.
00:21:33.480Truly, Seneff is a master of inappropriately confusing correlation with causation.
00:21:37.060This is an op-ed, I find it interesting, but it is the, this is really strange.
00:21:42.500It's an opinion piece by David Gorski, but it is cited as a factual article by Wikipedia in the misinformation campaigns.
00:21:49.000It says, glyphosate has become a focus of campaigning and misinformation by anti-GMO activists because of its association with genetically modified glyphosate-resistant crops.
00:21:58.260U.S. politician R.F. Kennedy Jr. has incorporated glyphosate into his anti-vaccination rhetoric, falsely claiming that both glyphosate and vaccines may be contributing to the American obesity epidemic.
00:22:08.280I think I was going to say Stephanie Seneff also falsely claimed that it may have a role in autism.
00:22:11.840I do, I'd like to find a better source than a couple of op-eds, but that's the only thing Wikipedia has cited.
00:22:20.400So when we did our essay on glyphosate, we went to the primary literature, and we cited that primary literature and summarized it for people.
00:22:28.760So if you go under our substack, you'll find the actual journal articles, and you can bypass all of this op-ed, opinion from Wiki, and the utilization of these terms like misinformation, which is just more part of the propaganda.
00:22:41.960Go to the basic science, go to the peer-reviewed literature on the use of glyphosate and the testing that is being done on various animal models, because you're not going to feed glyphosate to children or to pregnant women intentionally.
00:22:57.960You do that with laboratory models, but then what's also been done is a series of studies looking at, for instance, pregnancy and urine, maternal urine and glyphosate contamination.
00:23:11.540And the glyphosate contamination being found in the urine of pregnant women is aligned with the levels that are known to be causing these effects in animal models.
00:23:57.700When you have change going on in the research data, often corporate media is way behind the curve, typically years.
00:24:07.140So that's why we do what we do with our sub stack.
00:24:09.960That makes a lot of sense as to why the corporate press is behind the curve, because they're well behind the research.
00:24:14.940It would be silly to think that some journalist in an office who's never been in a lab has the, you know, bleeding edge understanding of all this technology.
00:24:23.460What I will say is, are you familiar with BMJ.com?
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00:38:12.520It's not just to advertise these things to the consumer.
00:38:16.460All that money co-ops media kind of prospectively so that media has this bias that we won't run stories that are contrary to the interests of our big sponsors because we don't want to lose that nipple.
00:38:32.540Well, it's another kind of marketing that people need to be aware of.
00:38:37.320There's the overt Coca-Cola buys a billboard saying buy our product.
00:38:42.720And then there's the social repercussion of the advertising, which I talk about why we advertise.
00:38:48.140And a few years ago, we bought a bunch of ads in Times Square.
00:38:52.060We bought the whole North Tower on New Year's Eve was Timcast.
00:38:55.440And that's not the intention is not so that people see it and then come watch the show.
00:39:02.260We want people to think certain things about what our company does, what it represents, not necessarily to know it exists, but we want industry leaders to think certain things.
00:39:09.500So when we see the buys of these advertisements, to your point, Dr. Malone, they're not necessarily trying to make people call their doctor and say, I want to buy this.
00:39:21.340They're trying to say, we own you to the journalists, to the editors and create this effective barrier.
00:39:29.480While some marketing will sell a product for you, hey, everybody, buy my soda, other marketing protects you from negative marketing.
00:39:36.860It's the power of the withdrawal of the ad.
00:39:39.980Their power is in we will pull our ads from you and stop paying you if you keep doing stories like that.
00:39:48.080Just like Tony Fauci, who distributed billions of dollars around the world to universities on a yearly basis to do studies, the power is in withdrawing that funding from a university.
00:39:59.300So anytime a university wants to do a study on glyphosate or wants to do a study on anything, you know, ring, ring, hey, I see here we gave you $10 million last year.
00:40:10.140We were planning on doing that this year, but we don't like this professor you've worked with.
00:40:48.040The tricky thing is what's the appropriate response then?
00:40:50.800What's the appropriate response to, like, fighting against something that the deck's been stacked in the opposite direction so much?
00:40:57.880Look at what we just saw with the EPA.
00:41:01.260Lizelle, did you guys hear this story?
00:41:02.540They found a $375 billion slush fund that was giving climate change grants.
00:41:07.680One nonprofit was formed a month before receiving $7 billion.
00:41:11.640There apparently were two funds, and I'm not accusing anybody of any wrongdoing, but the New York Post referenced climate justice fund and justice climate fund, both one receiving a billion, one receiving $7 billion, I think were the numbers.
00:41:26.300You have – there is one story where a guy worked for a nonprofit, and then he got hired by the Biden administration, immediately then started awarding grants back to the nonprofit.
00:41:36.020We see people who work for big pharmaceutical companies and big agricultural companies taking jobs at the FDA.
00:41:42.600It's not free market when the government is giving out billions and billions in direct cash subsidies and grants to make something happen.
00:41:50.440It looks like the free market because those somethings then buy advertisements on TV.
00:41:56.020When I had read Ayn Rand early on in my 20s and Atlas Shrugged and, of course, sort of the godmother, I guess, of libertarian thought or certainly deep in it, it pissed me off because I was a liberal.
00:42:10.940By the end of the book, I was like, wait a minute.
00:42:15.320And it used to always bother me because I thought – and the idea is sort of like survival of the fittest, but she didn't sort of deal with monopolies, I felt like.
00:42:22.660Ultimately, survival of the fittest, if you get enough money in your family and you're passing on your money, eventually can the Koch brothers – are their children going to be the smartest people running our country?
00:42:33.040They have an advantage because they're financially strong.
00:42:35.740And then when I started getting into the issues and investigations that got me into all the trouble that I'm in now, I went back because I was like, maybe I'm missing something.
00:42:45.120And I remember I typed in Ayn Rand monopolies.
00:43:19.340Then I will – if you show me one, I will never speak again.
00:43:24.360She said, I want to be perfectly clear.
00:43:25.940I'm against welfare for the poor and I'm against welfare for the rich.
00:43:28.900And what we have is a welfare for the rich, our government gets involved, it chooses the better products, and it changes the entire natural course of all business.
00:43:37.500And I think that's what we have to look at.
00:44:14.160But you look at, like, when Bobby Kennedy or anyone – you want to get in, you can't – if you just said, let's just take away all subsidies, like, our nation is like – it's all built on Band-Aids, on Band-Aids.
00:44:26.280If you tear them off, which is what Trump's doing right now, it's going to hurt.
00:44:29.960So I agree largely with the talk about government funding and manipulation and how it controls markets.
00:44:36.340But there still is a question around artificial dyes, for instance, in foods because, like you were saying earlier, the brighter colors sell better.
00:44:43.920And you can go back to the stories of the old snake oil salesman.
00:44:55.980And what these companies were doing were selling rubber bands, silicon bracelets, and then using a magic trick known to every musician – magician, known as the center of gravity illusion, where you ask a person to – so they do this trick to – it's largely a pattern distraction.
00:45:15.720To claim that an object is imbued with magic powers, which they're then going to make disappear or levitate or who knows what.
00:45:29.560They will put their hand on your arm and pull slightly at a downward, rightward angle away from your center of gravity, causing you to fall over.
00:45:37.060They will then hand you the magical object imbued with great chi, and you'll hold it in your hand.
00:45:43.700They then push down slightly towards the center of gravity.
00:45:47.100To the average person, they don't recognize the slight shift, but when you're pushing towards the center of gravity, the person cannot fall.
00:45:52.440So they're being pushed down, and they're like, why aren't I falling over?
00:45:55.320A company figured out this thing and started selling rubber bands, telling everybody the rubber band will improve your performance.
00:46:02.600They were in malls all across the country.
00:46:05.080They made, I think, tens of millions of dollars before the FTC stepped in and said, stop tricking people and stealing their money, selling them $50 rubber bands.
00:46:15.020There is the question of the nanny state.
00:46:17.640We don't want to be like Mike Bloomberg who went on TV and said, tax the poor.
00:46:21.320Don't let them buy large sodas because they're stupid and they hurt themselves.
00:46:25.040But there is a line, right, where we're like, bro, you can't sell rubber bands for $50 and use a magic trick.
00:46:31.800And the example I like to use is, you know, there's a strong case to be made that modern McDonald's diet causes obesity, and obesity is one of the major drivers of diabetes and a variety of health problems.
00:46:47.100But do we want to have the state saying that you can't eat McDonald's hamburgers and drink sugary Coca-Colas?
00:46:56.320We don't, that's, I think most of us would agree that's not okay.
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00:48:20.900But then the converse is if those McDonald's products are using, let's say, seed oils in their manufacturing that is associated with health risks that are, you know, above and beyond the call and they don't have to do those things.
00:48:38.300Does the state have the right to say, no, we're not going to allow you to use seed oils?
00:48:42.180Now, I'm not advocating that position right now, but I'm making the point.
00:49:20.020If you look into how they're produced, it's—you know, there's so many chemical derivatives just to get a seed to the seed oil end product.
00:49:27.240They're extracting it with chemicals like hexane, and then they're putting deodorizers in on it.
00:49:31.420And then it's a polyunsaturated fat, so it oxidizes greater naturally.
00:49:35.580And then it sits on the shelf in a clear plastic bottle.
00:49:38.580And the only reason it's not, you know, obviously rancid is because they put all these deodorizers and coloring in it.
00:49:45.300So it's really a toxic end-to-end product.
00:49:48.400You could make a more natural seed oil if it was, like, cold-pressed and all that and debate what, you know, health ramifications that has.
00:49:55.640But typically, from just end-to-end, like a canola oil is just extremely toxic.
00:50:18.780When you take the head, you bash it, and the seeds go flying out.
00:50:21.280And I was reading how indigenous natives, they would take all the seeds, and they'd press it using, like, wood planks or something, and they'd get the oil out of it.
00:50:28.780And so I thought it was kind of strange, and people said, seed oils are bad.
00:50:31.840And I'm like, but people have been eating sunflower seed oils.
00:50:34.540So is it really the seed themselves, or as you're saying, is it the process and the toxification after the fact?
00:50:41.000It's both, because then imagine what quantity are you actually going to be able to do that at if you did it, like, manually.
00:50:46.760Like, it's not a very scalable process to, like, naturally extract and cold press.
00:50:51.960So the fact that we're, you know, consuming this quantity of seed oils and then the oxidized linoleic acid and everything is the real problem.
00:50:59.500It's comprising such a large portion of calories that, you know, our biology is not meant for that.
00:51:05.080And it's really a mitochondrial toxin at the end of the day.
00:51:07.740So I've heard avocado oil, olive oil are really good.
00:51:12.020Are you all familiar with Brian Johnson, the guy who wants to live forever?
00:51:25.060I would prefer to always cook with, like, a saturated fat because it's going to be the least prone to oxidation when you're cooking at high heat.
00:51:33.740So I personally cook with butter or beef tallow.
00:51:37.500But then if you have a good extra virgin olive oil, drizzle that on top or use it as finishing.
00:51:42.400Or if you're cooking at low temperatures, I think that's great.
00:51:44.880But the problem with olive oil and avocado oil is, like, 80% to 90% of them on the shelves in the store are actually cut with seed oils.
00:51:52.100And this goes back to this whole, like, marketing and labeling problem that we have in our food system as well.
00:51:58.180Have you – let me ask you guys a question.
00:52:00.080If you went to a restaurant and they had a meat – it said meat steak entree with an asterisk next to it, would you – like, would you eat something described as generic meat product?
00:52:13.160Or, like, would you have questions about it?
00:52:30.740Can't you tell me if it's beef or bison?
00:52:32.720I mean, personally, bison steak is – and I bring this up because, you know, my buddy Luke, I bring him up because he's a crazy health nut, right?
00:53:03.640And so I have concerns about what that literally means because, I mean, there are some vegetables like – we've got poisonous vegetables outside.
00:53:10.720I assume the majority of vegetables you can't actually eat.
00:53:15.560Well, I mean, and I think that the seed oils is being called a vegetable oil.
00:53:36.260And the structure is that actually FDA has oversight in terms of food safety over USDA.
00:53:42.940So what is the role for USDA and FDA under Maha to ensure that we have transparency in labeling?
00:53:52.760I think that's one of the key issues of Maha is that consumers have the right to know.
00:53:58.700And there's a lot of this – you know, it is misinformation.
00:54:03.180They are basically inventing words or substituting language that's being allowed by our regulatory authorities in order to avoid true transparency to the consumer so that they have informed – the information they need to make an informed choice.
00:54:20.940And that, I think, as we talk about these fine issues about nanny state, et cetera, I think one thing that we should all be able to agree on is that we have truth in labeling.
00:54:33.120And there's so many ways that that's twisted.
00:54:35.480For instance, one of the ones that I love, you seem to be pretty aware of the agriculture industry and beef and chicken, et cetera.
00:54:43.200So did you know that increasingly our meat is coming from the rainforest?
00:54:50.280The biggest meat packer in the world that's kind of sweeping over and controlling all of our meat processing is Brazilian.
00:54:55.660And the rule is that they can import animal products – you know, we could call it food – into the United States from offshore whatever source.
00:55:07.500And by the way, those sources have different rules in terms of pesticides, vaccines, all kinds of things.
00:55:14.260They can import it into the United States.
00:55:15.880And all they have to do is basically put a knife on that meat, and then it can be labeled as made in the United States.
00:55:23.720And you have no visibility in terms of what the chain is that that brought that food to your table.
00:55:31.200The only thing that you can do in the face of all this is try to seek out local farmers and buy – you know, here in Virginia, we love to buy local Virginia grass-fed beef.
00:55:42.480And where you're buying it from the farmer, and typically it's a smaller farmer.
00:55:46.720This is kind of the whole Joel Salatin issue is getting away from these huge factory farms that's producing major amounts of pork, chicken, and imported beef and back to more of a local bottom-up decentralized food supply for our meats.
00:56:07.100It's because basically the industry has figured out all these different ways to kind of cook the books.
00:56:13.340I think you have to get back – I mean, I think what Bob is going to have to do is get back to actually – as taxpayers, we're going to have to decide that we want to fund unbiased studies being done by our own science body that's hopefully selected by people like Robert Kennedy Jr.
00:56:27.100What we don't – what I didn't realize before I started investigating the pharmaceutical industry is that the industries are doing all the safety trials.
00:56:36.220They're cherry-picking their own study.
00:56:38.060So they're not even – I mean, one of the things Robert Kennedy Jr. is going to do right away is he's saying – when he says radical transparency, he's going to make every industry show every study they did, not just the ones that gave them the result they wanted.
00:56:49.140So that we can say, wait a minute, because all we're seeing when you're at the FDA, if you're going to a VRBAC committee, which is the committee that decides whether a drug gets onto the market, or you go to the CDC's ACIP committees, they're only – all you're seeing from the industry is the study that proved what they wanted to prove.
00:57:04.980This product actually pulled this off.
00:57:06.320You don't see the five that failed, the five trials that failed.
00:57:10.340If we saw all of the trials that were going on, I think we might have a different perspective.
00:57:14.300Just to clarify, you're saying a company will do a study, fail, do another study, fail, do another study, fail, do another study, fail, do another study, fail, do another study and say, we got it.
00:57:24.380So as somebody who's an expert in regulatory affairs, what the general rules are in pharma is you don't ever do any study that the FDA doesn't require you to do because you might get a bad outcome and screw up your product, okay?
00:57:39.420So that's one of the reasons why they don't investigate these things that we're all perplexed about.
00:57:46.200Now, another thing that what Dell's pointing to, this kind of suppression of information or failure to reveal key information, that is technically not allowed in terms of the FDA.
00:57:59.300And that's a case of not enforcing the regs that are on the books.
00:58:02.840So the rules are that if you're, you know, Corporation X and you're developing product Y and some academic somewhere does a study that relates to product Y, you're supposed to put that in your regulatory package and disclose it to the FDA.
00:58:18.760They're supposed to, you talk about radical transparency.
00:58:20.740The rules are that there's supposed to be radical transparency and they're not being enforced.
00:58:24.820And that's, that is, I think, one of the big things.
00:58:28.200And that's where you get to the corruption of the FDA because of these revolving door relationships, et cetera, et cetera, is we've created a kind of a government culture where it's okay to only enforce the rules that you want to enforce and only enforce them for those companies that you, you know, aren't with you.
00:58:47.800So for big pharma, they get to slide on all kinds of stuff, whereas small biotech innovators have the rule book thrown at them.
00:58:55.800And that's, that whole dynamic has got to change.
00:58:59.220It gets back to, you know, government creating monopolies.
00:59:03.120And one of the ways they do it is they give special allowance to the big boys that allows them to engage in these practices.
00:59:10.940Or on top of that, the big boys have the legal means to challenge government resources in court and win, whereas smaller producers don't have that same ability.
00:59:20.320Even more, the most surprising thing to me in working with Bobby and starting to really, like, I was looking at the list of jobs he had to fill.
00:59:27.460He's going to have 80,000 employees underneath him.
00:59:30.460He got to add, like, 300 of his own and just looking at how this whole thing works.
00:59:35.620But what you don't realize, what I didn't realize, is that, you know, the big industries will act like, oh, my God, all the regulations have got our hands tied.
00:59:49.860This is another key thing, okay, is that regulations are the friend of the big boys, the big players, because they're the only ones that have the capital and the infrastructure in order to meet those regulatory requirements.
01:00:03.040And so regulations serve to exclude the smaller to midsize innovator, which is what the big boys, whether it's big ag or big pharma or, you know, fill in the blank, they like to have that complex regulatory environment because it gives them a competitive advantage, because their small innovator competitors can't comply with the federal requirements.
01:00:28.060Let me ask you guys, would you eat cloned meat?
01:00:31.580This is how crazy things have gotten in this country.
01:00:35.320The stories from 10 years ago, just about 10 years ago, Alex Jones came on Timcast IRL, and it's fascinating to listen to this guy because he says things, and you're sitting there thinking, this guy's out of his mind.
01:00:47.040He's sitting here being, like, we're having a conversation, and he abruptly goes, well, now you got all these people eating cloned beef.
01:01:14.700Do you want to go through the arduous process of certified Wagyu A7 Japanese?
01:01:20.100Sure, if you're in Japan, but what if you're doing Brazilian Wagyu or whatever?
01:01:24.520You take a sample of the animal, and you clone it a bunch of times, and now you've got meat to sell.
01:01:31.480So this actually is – we don't know for sure how much cloned meat we're actually eating.
01:01:38.140You probably are eating it without realizing it.
01:01:40.140The things that have happened in – I remember what documentary it was where it showed how they made common beef for fast food, and they take like 20 percent of the beef that's pulverized into a pulp, mix it with cleaners and like ammonia to sterilize it, and then mix it back in as a filler to the existing beef.
01:02:09.980Yeah, so that's another problem is, again, it gets back to truth in labeling, and that's the combination of USDA and FDA kind of allowing these things to get through and giving allowance to the big producers.
01:02:24.900I love the whole messaging of Kelly and Casey Means that pharma – I'm sorry, the tobacco industry, when it got its haircut, turned and moved a lot of their investments – we're talking about R.J. Reynolds – into big food.
01:02:41.980And that the case is made by the means, and I think it's pretty persuasive, that the same business model applies, that we are being hooked on food by processing food so that it has these characteristics that are really addictive for us in terms of our palate and our brain response.
01:03:03.100Like you were talking about the emulsifiers, fats, sugars, these things just go into our little monkey brain and say, this is the stuff you want.
01:03:16.060And they have made a business that is entirely parallel to the business model of tobacco, of getting you hooked on the product.
01:03:23.780But they've turned it – they've transformed the whole large food industry.
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01:04:29.920I think most people would be surprised to find out that the artificial sweetener packet they like to put in their coffee was discovered when a, I believe it was a researcher,
01:04:37.420was trying to make a pesticide by combining chlorine with sugar to kill insects,
01:04:41.120and misunderstood his professor who said, test it, and he thought he said, taste it, so he did, and said, taste good.
01:10:25.080CDC is like the—it's one of these agencies that was never authorized by Congress,
01:10:34.040and it could be eliminated basically with a stroke of the pen by Donald Trump if he wanted to, just like USAID.
01:10:41.140Where's the red line in these artificial dyes are really bad for everybody, and parents don't realize that red 40, they don't realize—what is that?
01:10:50.800It comes from a little bug they mash up.
01:10:52.400It's got like an aluminum compound in it or something.
01:10:54.500Or tartrazine, which Robert was talking about quite a bit, a coal tar derivative that turns things yellow.
01:11:01.300We want the government to ban these things, right?
01:11:03.140I think there's two ways to go, right?
01:11:05.800Maybe we—do we treat it like cigarettes?
01:11:08.460You have this whole general—the grass that generally recognized as safe.
01:11:20.440These compounds that are in a vitamin C or whatever, we're going to—we don't have to have every single vitamin C company prove that it's safe.
01:11:26.740So you see a basis for generally recognized as safe.
01:11:30.400But a brand-new chemical, like a dye, comes on the market, and the FDA is just looking the other way and saying,
01:11:36.000we're going to give you a grass, you know, that's generally recognized as safe.
01:11:39.340So it's going into food, and now you have to have enough people poisoned by it.
01:11:44.060Someone's got to figure out funding because now you're in a post-marketing space.
01:11:47.220Who's doing that post-marketing research?
01:12:41.200And then my concern is a developmentally stunted, diseased population will vote for its own destruction because it's not—it's a gangrenous function of the body politic, essentially.
01:12:54.860But it will vote because it's stuck on a television that is owned by the people making the poison that they're eating every day.
01:13:00.960Well, just even outside of that, if you took 100 people and had them build a society and then one day introduced a food substance that they were all consuming with a rate of 7% genetic degradation per generation,
01:13:16.840eventually they are dysfunctional, decrepit, unable to reproduce.
01:13:23.860There's this—I don't know if you've ever—you guys have probably heard the studies they've done on cats and the meat consumption, raw versus cooked and dairy.
01:13:32.140They gave—they had three generations of cats, and there's numerous studies that have followed this.
01:13:36.660They—one family of cats were given only raw meats, one was given only cooked meats, and one was given only dairy products.
01:13:43.200The cooked meat family, within a few generations, started losing their hair, becoming sickly, eventually lost the ability to reproduce.
01:13:52.040The raw meats flourished and had way too many babies, and the dairy was somewhere in the middle.
01:13:57.540So you look at something as simple as obligate carnivores like cats.
01:14:03.140Then apply that to the human population where we have poisons in our food that don't immediately kill you, but slowly over time do.
01:14:11.780Cats losing their hair, coughing, gagging, and not reproducing is obvious, but what happens when the brain is damaged, even a small percentage over a long period of time?
01:14:21.280These individuals who continually eat these products, thinking it's safe, are going to get more and more damaged, meaning their ability to self-regulate will be harmed.
01:14:28.680And then those of us who are actually like, hey, guys, let's exercise, eat right, eat healthy, and make America healthy again, are going to be combating people who are otherwise diseased from environmental toxins, voting against the interests of those that are trying to save them.
01:14:45.120I think that you're pointing out one of the biggest issues we have.
01:14:48.460Not only are we sick, but we are reaching the point where no one remembers a time when we weren't sick, right?
01:14:54.020We're about to lose the last generation.
01:14:58.200You may still be too young to have had measles, to have been through the Brady Bunch time, right?
01:15:03.260Where it was a joke and a laugh track to it.
01:15:05.940Now we live in it's the end of the world, right?
01:15:08.360But that same generation is the last generation that never had an asthma inhaler, had no peanut allergies, did not understand what autoimmune disease was until much later in their lives.
01:15:19.720Every kid now that's a part of the voting body looks at what Robert Kennedy Jr. is saying and saying, there were no autistic people my age.
01:15:27.760Like, that doesn't make sense to them.
01:15:29.300They're like, well, of course there were.
01:15:30.680And the pharmaceutical industry has played on that.
01:15:32.680The biggest argument they've had is autism's always been here.
01:15:37.440I mean, that is literally the final spot that they've landed on, which is the most insane statement, as Robert Kennedy Jr. is saying, then find me anyone my age with autism.
01:15:46.380At 1 in 34, certainly at 1 in 18 to 20 boys, which is where we're at now, there should be old folks' homes filled with men standing in corners with repetitive motion disorders, everything.
01:16:32.400I mean, we are so far away from where we were healthy.
01:16:35.060So to your point, not only are we sick, it's also normalized because it's all that we see.
01:16:39.880And the rest is starting to sound like a dream or a mythology.
01:16:43.720And where we end up is, let's say 50 years from now, when entire urban populations, less so in the rural areas, have been on some kind of mind-altering drug.
01:16:55.360And I don't mean that, I don't mean like a recreational drug.
01:16:57.740I don't mean like either for focus or for depression from the time they were children.
01:17:03.220And then when the Make America Healthy Again movement 2.0 emerges, these people are going to be like they're trying to kill us by taking away our life-saving medication.
01:17:32.440And the pharmaceutical industry pushes the ads.
01:17:35.500They have Democrats saying, you know, you're taking – you're making psychology a bad thing and you're against – you know, these people and the fact that we want to look at school shootings.
01:17:45.620Can we at least put SSRIs on the table as a part of the conversation?
01:17:59.600The thing that I find stunning about all this is I live in rural Virginia and a lot of these things that we're talking about is not an issue in my community.
01:18:10.740I live around farmers and people that live close to the land or we could make the case they are physicals.
01:18:20.140And a lot of what we're talking about are problems of the urban society and of people that are living in the virtual world.
01:18:29.000This kind of division that we're touching on here is pretty alien for a lot of, you know, the pejorative is the flyover states.
01:18:41.520For folks that are out there doing stuff on a daily basis, whether it's HVAC or farming or whatever, they're not living in this world that we're describing in a general sense.
01:18:51.580So I want to interrupt you is that –
01:18:54.940Someone brought up an interesting point on testosterone and you mentioned the flyover states and I got to thinking, you know, a lot of people in these rural areas, physical labor is just a part of your daily life.
01:19:24.660So I look at these cities and what do we find?
01:19:27.440People are largely indoors, no sunlight.
01:19:29.820Limited physical activity relative to how humans used to live a long time ago through the Industrial Revolution and through, you know, office jobs and things like this.
01:19:38.420Obviously there are people who still do construction and do physical labor.
01:19:40.540But this means you are going to have – I mean, I wonder if this has been studied.
01:19:45.820Have they tracked the average testosterone levels by region of the United States?
01:19:50.760I know that they have been tracking testosterone levels and it's been plummeting.
01:19:54.220So is sperm count and a lot of the other –
01:19:56.520I would recommend everyone see the documentary WALL-E.
01:19:59.700It's a good point, Tim, because I would say that cities have become toxic on every level because there's just a higher density of all these systemic inputs that are so alien to our body.
01:20:16.020But a lot of what we're talking about here has to do, if we boil it down, with media and information and the biasing of information.
01:20:24.920That's when we're talking about – we're kind of talking about culture and information and media.
01:20:30.160And the folks that are living in the bi-coastal urban areas are living in a reality in which their entire –
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01:23:30.300And that's because – if you – you know, there's this whole discussion going on, can you reverse aging?
01:23:38.120What I'm seeing, and I think what in general is happening right now, is the rise of bioidentical hormone supplementation.
01:23:50.500Because as those levels drop, you have to artificially support them if you want to maintain kind of the quality of life that you had before, sex drive and everything else.
01:24:00.920And when you do that, you see people that seem to be growing younger.
01:24:09.280And if they drop their weight and they get on bioidentical hormone supplementation – which, by the way, the government doesn't subsidize.
01:24:18.420They will pay for you to have synthetic hormones, but they won't pay for you to have bioidentical hormones.
01:24:25.820You have to pay for it out of your own pocket.
01:24:27.280So that's one of the reasons why you see the rich people showing these signs that they are – they're not aging.
01:24:34.760You know, you see these 80-year-olds – or Larry Ellison, right, the other day.
01:24:39.480You know, he's 80 years old, and he looks like he's a spring chicken.
01:24:55.100You want to talk about health as we're – so the dynamic is the population is aging.
01:25:00.440And as the population is aging, it's known that aging is associated with decline in a variety of endocrine functions, and that includes our sex hormones.
01:25:09.780And so if you get in there and artificially supplement those, then you see people that are – they have a new lease on life.
01:25:26.640This is a key topic with Maha and some of the strategies.
01:25:30.540The basically offshoring stem cell therapy for regenerative medicine right now is where you have to go, and only the rich people can access it.
01:25:39.080So the Cellular Performance Institute, I visited them in Tijuana.
01:26:31.840What's happening in these sectors, like you're talking about the WFC and the bodybuilders and weightlifters, they are biohacking themselves.
01:26:44.100They're experimenting with nutraceuticals, vitamins, all these other supplements in a really aggressive way.
01:26:50.280And what they're doing is they're experimenting on themselves, and they are breaking the ice for all of us.
01:26:57.500You made an important word, though, because experimenting – I think a lot of people – like, I don't jump on – like, this is where an FDA is necessary.
01:27:04.960Like, stem cells, super cool, but I don't just want to go to anybody that's injecting into eyeballs.
01:27:50.260The question I wanted to ask when I brought it up was when they do stem cell IV infusion, they say that damaged – inflamed cells release chemical signals.
01:28:32.300And unfortunately, because of a variety of policies, it is only really available to the wealthy or those that are willing to commit a large fraction of their income to maintaining their own personal health.
01:28:44.360But this – you know, personally, you made the case that the FDA should be drawn back, or certainly you recited the case, that the FDA should be drawn back to the position where it ensures purity and identity.
01:29:02.560And doesn't take a position on efficacy.
01:29:05.360It basically allows the consumer to make their own judgment.
01:29:09.900This is fundamentally a libertarian position, and it puts you in control, Tim, of your own health.
01:29:17.920You are the one – and it requires a person who is willing to take personal responsibility.
01:29:24.320And in our culture right now, this is one of the fundamental problems.
01:29:27.580We don't take personal responsibility for our own decisions in every which way, including our health decisions.
01:29:33.300And so that's when we end up with this position.
01:29:35.880Well, the state has the responsibility to ensure that everything is going to be hunky-dory for me if I do this, that, or the other thing, because I don't want to be personally responsible for it.
01:29:48.720This gets into the logic of the pediatric schedule, everything.
01:29:54.960I think it was the story of the time machine.
01:29:58.980He goes into the future, and in the future, humanity is split into two different races.
01:30:03.080There's, like, primitive, stupid creatures and then super-intelligent humans.
01:30:11.580But thinking about all this stuff and talking about the stem cell therapy and other popular trends in health, it really does feel like we are moving in a direction where humanity will exist as two different cultural sets.
01:30:23.280Well, this is the transhumanism argument, is that there is a school of thought, a lot of it concentrated in the Silicon Valley bros, the tech bros, that the human species is obsolete.
01:30:39.740We've mismanaged the environment, and we have to turn over management of the globe and the future to intelligent machines.
01:30:52.460I mean, how many science fiction movies do we have to see about this, right?
01:30:57.580Terminator being the notable one and The Matrix being another.
01:31:01.000But the theory is that humans are obsolete, that humans that refuse to accept things like Neuralink, that will allow them to directly connect as opposed to the indirect connections that we have with these, with this, you know, monster database artificial intelligence entity that's out there that is moving towards general autonomous artificial intelligence.
01:31:26.340That's the Larry Ellison thing that he pitched to the president on the second day of his presidency.
01:31:36.800So if you don't buy into that, then you'll be left behind and you'll functionally become akin to a pet.
01:31:44.940And this is where a lot of the logic of the useless eaters, you've heard that, right, Klaus Schwab and all that, that's coming from that same space, that there is this theory that we are going to move to a position where eventually it's only going to be the machines that are going to be the evolved species and human beings are basically going to be akin to dogs.
01:32:06.760And you recognize that, but there's nothing you can do about it.
01:32:11.320When these people hook themselves up to the machine, their mental capacity will, assuming we get read-write technologies in Neuralink, which I assume is absolutely possible, I don't see why not.
01:32:21.660And they can supplement their brain power with massive AI, maybe becoming some kind of creepy hive mind.
01:32:30.060Let's just say a single individual, Silicon Tech Valley bro, pumps himself full of stem cells, chemicals or otherwise, plugs his brain into a computer.
01:32:36.460We can sit here and speculate and say, we recognize what's going on.
01:32:42.020They will be so far beyond that, they'll say, you know, the world's smartest man is no bigger threat to me than its smartest termite, effectively.
01:32:48.860Yeah, but I think, first of all, you're only talking about two different positions, both around AI, cyborg.
01:32:56.760Maha is going to be focused on building an ecosystem.
01:32:59.700That's what I'm working on now is I'm the CEO of Maha Action, and we're also looking at building tools to build an ecosystem for the people that don't want to go down the pharma road.
01:33:09.820That actually, there are so many practitioners, so many functional medicine doctors that are working with different types of energy, lasers, blue lights, red lights, all of these things.
01:33:20.020Also, you know, biohackers that are, before you get into the sick care system that we're in, what if we developed a world where you can find people that actually make you, you know, healthier and stay healthier longer before you ever end up in a surgery or medical system?
01:33:35.620There will be a future where there will be those that went down that road.
01:33:39.420You're never going to end this pharmaceutical path.
01:33:41.440You're not going to end those that are going to jump into AI or those that are going to be cyborgs, if you will.
01:33:46.900And who knows who's the strongest that survives?
01:33:50.180I just think you have to decide, you know, that you have to recognize that there's a difference now, that there's different paths that you can be taking and deciding what health means to you.
01:33:57.580I remember once I was watching, because you talk about, like, getting a time capsule and saying, well, the advanced society was so much more advanced than this other group of, you know, that were, like, you know, Neanderthals.
01:34:08.100But I think we've got a question also, what does it mean to modernize and what is the advanced society?
01:34:12.860I was once watching a documentary back when I was, like, 20 years old about some pygmy tribe in South America, and they had never seen anybody until this documentary crew was there.
01:34:21.920And they talked about how primitive they were, but, you know, when they described the lifestyle, like, the men would go out and, like, shoot a monkey out of the tree.
01:34:30.420They'd grill it up and, like, spend a whole week.
01:34:33.440The tribe would eat off of the one monkey.
01:35:21.920The thing that makes us human and that is being so badly damaged by this and that world, that tech world, is that one of the fundamentals of being human is your connectedness to other humans.
01:35:34.940And organic connectedness, I look you in the eye, we shake hands, we're talking, we live with each other, we communicate within our communities.
01:35:45.680That is what really gives value to life.
01:35:48.560I think there are two worldviews, and one is, I exist to serve God, and the other is, I want to be God.
01:36:10.260But then you have the inverse, which is the, I exist for the greater, be it, you know, those that find themselves aligned with Trump or Maha, who are secular or agnostic or atheist, still believe in the bigger picture.
01:36:22.600That we exist to, for a better society, a better community, a country, or universe, whatever it may be, and then the religious and the devout say, I exist for the will of God or for God's, you know, divine mandate, whatever it may be.
01:36:33.940The tech bros are basically like, there is no God.
01:36:47.820I think it also comes down to fear of death, right?
01:36:51.160I think if you have a connection with God, you don't have a fear of death, and you live for the moment and the day that you're in, and you realize that how long I'm on this planet, it's how I live anyway.
01:36:59.520And people are like, how do you do what you do?
01:37:02.780No, not at all, because I live for the day I'm in.
01:37:06.800I want my kids, no matter when I die or how I die, I'm trying to represent to my kids, be passionate, do what you love, interact with human beings.
01:37:15.760How long you're here is not defining the quality of your life.
01:37:32.180It was an incredible moment, and I don't care how long we're here.
01:37:35.720And frankly, I go to a lot of these biohacking seminars because I'm in groups, and I speak at them, but I don't want to live to be 100 years old.
01:38:34.500And that's the whole key here is it should be decentralized because that is accessible for every single person.
01:38:40.480It's one of the things we're thinking about right now with Maha Action is, and this is an idea from Dr. Oz who I'm talking to and Bobby, like, can we have an Alcoholics Anonymous but for health?
01:38:49.320But we're just about community where we're going to try and set up on our website where we'll just give you, like, three interesting, a study or an article or a video and anywhere you are.
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01:39:52.200People who are in the country start setting up groups to meet with each other, get together, to have an experience together, to talk about where your health is at.
01:40:00.240Meet someone that says, hey, you know, I have been overeating.
01:40:49.880If you go out and meet people, like you were saying, and make those connections, you will be heavily influenced by what you are able to do with those people.
01:40:57.200For instance, if you want to get out of your house and hang out with people, and every time you do, they insist on going for a walk at the park, you will find yourself walking and losing weight inadvertently without effort.
01:42:00.860So this idea that people can be readily hypnotized and become super suggestible has a lot to do if you – you know, I spent a lot of time with Matthias.
01:42:12.960If you haven't interviewed that guy, one of my favorite dudes on the planet.
01:42:16.640If you kind of unpack this, it all comes down to the fact that we've been socially fragmented.
01:42:21.760And when we become socially fragmented, we become really susceptible to outside manipulation.
01:42:28.240And by the way, we were talking about the fear of death.
01:42:31.760That has become one of the major thrust vectors for pharma is they are exploiting the fear of death.
01:42:38.000That's what a lot of their marketing is about, is about the fear of death.
01:42:41.520If you think back – so let's just take, you know, fast-forwarding, let's take bird flu.
01:42:47.460There is no evidence that bird flu, even according to the CDC, represents a major human health threat at this point.
01:42:53.680And yet we are inundated with literally propaganda about how threatening that is.
01:42:59.520And the subtext of it is that if you don't do something, if the government doesn't do something soon, we are at risk for swine flu, the great 1918 event that changed the world, right?
01:44:07.000Well, this is happening to address the bird flu thing.
01:44:09.560I don't believe that generally it's mustache-twirling villains who are like, let's psychologically attack Americans with the story because we're seeing it from all different media outlets.
01:44:19.200What it is, largely – and there are certainly –
01:44:21.840You're assuming that there's diversity amongst those media outlets.
01:44:24.480There certainly are because the U.K. outlets are not operating in the same space politically and regionally as the American –
01:44:30.820No, but they are all wrapped under the Trusted News initiative that's run by the BBC.
01:44:36.140So a U.K. outlet with different politics to an American conservative outlet that are at odds with each other and on the different spectrum reporting the same things are not part of the same issue.
01:44:46.040I mean, the entire world pushed the same false narrative around COVID.
01:44:53.260So the issue largely for these media companies is while we do know that there are powerful special interests that are deeply intertwined that want certain narratives to emerge, there are major pharmaceuticals that are running principal advertising and the bulk advertising for a lot of these companies.
01:45:06.240The smaller outlets that are doing this and the reason it's much more pervasive than just principal corporate news outlets is that they're all going out of business.
01:45:13.840They're laying off their staffs left and right.
01:45:48.420Because it's acceptable to the advertisers.
01:45:50.180So they're in a very narrowing hallway and it's why they're dying.
01:45:53.760But that ecosystem that you're talking about, the kind of – if it bleeds, it leads ecosystem, which we're talking about, that gets clicks, likes and follows and advertising revenue propagates all the way down to the smallest podcaster, frankly.
01:46:35.100I do believe in God, but I'm not a Christian.
01:46:37.540They sponsored Timcast IRL and I said it's not appropriate for me to read an ad for a Christian prayer app as not a Christian.
01:46:43.040However, Mary Morgan, a recurring guest, one of our hosts here at Timcast, is a devout Catholic and does have the app and said I will read that.
01:46:50.020But advertisers come to us, and in a more decentralized way, I'm not going to run an ad because in the podcasting space, I, as the host and the personality that represents certain moral values, have things I can or cannot offer up.
01:47:05.440How could I do a show where I routinely talk about my spiritual views, not Christian, but, you know, not necessarily deist, and then all of a sudden be like, I'm going to promote this ad saying it's the best ad.
01:47:19.060That's the problem is you'll destroy your legitimacy.
01:47:22.480So now with the media space being decentralized largely, and instead of there being three channels, there's 300 top podcasts, you're not going to see Joe Rogan in all likelihood run an ad for Pfizer and FanApps, Peridone or whatever it's called, because he's going to be like, I routinely talk against big pharmaceutical manipulation of media.
01:47:44.680How could I read this ad for any amount of money, whereas cable TV news has not attached any individual's worldview to the ads they do, so it doesn't matter if a host says, I'm deeply concerned about big pharma, and then a commercial runs for big pharma.
01:47:58.180Likely, the editorial department will say, ease up on big pharma, they're sponsoring the show.
01:48:04.340Or famously, one of my favorite jokes from The Simpsons is when Krusty the Clown says something off-color, and then Bart says, he's just going to blame it on his Percodan addiction, and then Krusty says, it's not my fault, it's my Percodan addiction.
01:48:17.820Anyway, now a word from our new sponsor, Percodan, oh, crap.
01:48:36.340It's because of a decentralized media that is allowing people to see different perspectives, and it's breaking the advertising cartel that ran big networks.
01:48:59.720Bigger than Donald Trump getting into office is the fact that the mainstream legacy media ran a 24-hour-a-day news cycle, and the two biggest baddies in that news cycle were Donald Trump and Robert Kennedy Jr.
01:49:12.620I happened to be director of communications for Robert Kennedy Jr. the entire time.
01:49:16.300The guy was polling 20 percent almost out of the gate as an independent candidate, the most successful independent candidate there was.
01:49:24.660If, as your point, media was like, you know, if it bleeds, it reads, you had a guy that was going to change this election in one way or another.
01:49:32.520With 20 percent of the vote, he had power to affect this vote.
01:49:35.880And in our entire run for two straight years, he only appeared in interviews on legacy media twice.
01:49:43.200He got two interviews that whole time.
01:49:44.900They literally thought we could starve him out.
01:49:47.020We can only talk about him in negative terms, and he will never get anywhere.
01:49:54.540I will say, when I was standing in the Oval Office, when Bobby put his hand on that Bible, and I was thinking, you know what, this is even sweeter than if he was being sworn in as president of the United States right now.
01:50:05.040For those of us that have known him, that have been in this medical freedom fight, because had he been president, which would have been amazing, you could have said, well, maybe it's his Ukraine view or all the other brilliant things that he talks about.
01:50:15.580He's so well read, but I was sitting there on the plane home thinking his most controversial issue is his positions on health.
01:50:24.340It is the most controversial space he's in.
01:50:26.300It's where he's been tarred and feathered for over a decade now, and we just put him not just in a health position.
01:50:34.920He just took the most powerful position in health in the world, which is the most controversial space he lives in, with a 24-hour-a-day news cycle funded by the pharmaceutical industry trying to stop him.
01:50:53.220Now we've got to say what we've got to watch out for is, is it going to stay decentralized?
01:50:58.120All the powers, all the money in the world is trying to figure out how to manipulate us, how to get a hold of YouTube, how to make sure that we can't move again.
01:51:05.960I'm glad RFK Jr. lost, because as president, he would not have been able to dedicate his sole focus to HHS the way he can now.
01:51:14.600And so obviously, I think he would have been a great president.
01:51:17.660But the position he's in now allows him not to be bogged down by foreign policy reports in the morning.
01:51:22.840He can go after the health issue, which I think, we interviewed him on IRL, and I said this afterwards, it was obvious.
01:51:29.340You talk to him about politics, he's going to tell you about politics, he's going to tell you what he knows.
01:51:32.180When you talk to him about health, he lights up.
01:51:34.080Like a Christmas tree, he can tell you everything.
01:51:36.300He gets passionate, he gets high energy.
01:51:40.400And I said, that's what he deeply cares about.
01:51:42.580So this administration right now, Tulsi, D&I, with Elon doing Doge, with RFK at HHS, it's a dream team.
01:51:48.620It's a dream team of passionate people in their wheelhouse space.
01:51:52.080We have never seen anything like this.
01:51:54.600In fact, and I've said when we were coming into the end of the election, to reporters, look at, well, what's Robert Kennedy Jr. really going to do?
01:52:02.820I was like, I'll tell you what Donald Trump has done.
01:52:05.360Whether you love him or you hate him, either way, our country is now involved in politics.
01:52:13.800I would say if I went out on the street and stopped 1,000 people and said, this is right before the election, who's our current HHS secretary?
01:52:20.680How many people would be able to answer that?
01:52:42.600And to Trump's point, he's treating it almost like a reality show.
01:52:46.060He's bringing in media people, people that are stars in the space that they're in.
01:52:50.140So, while we're engaged, we've got to make sure that the people don't just sit back and think that those five people are going to change the world.
01:52:57.360They're not going to do shit without us.
01:52:59.400It's the pressure that comes from our involvement.
01:53:02.500This is a nation that only works if it's of, for, and by the people, not just by the five people that we've selected.
01:53:10.000It means we've got to stay engaged right now, which is a critical moment.
01:53:14.540I'm afraid we're going to go back to sleep.
01:53:16.180I warn you, do you think that the machine, the narrative machine, is simply going to be like, well, guess we lost?
01:53:23.500Or are they going to take a look at, they've got $25 million in Rachel Maddow for her contract per year.
01:53:31.820They're going to have a meeting and they're going to say, and I mean that, I mean literally Comcast, MSNBC, big corporate heads, big Democrat donors.
01:53:38.440They're going to say, how many top global podcasts can we buy for $25 million in a year?
01:53:44.960And I'm going to be honest, you go to any of these prominent liberals, offer them $1 million, they will say yes.
01:53:50.640In fact, many of them would sign with those networks for free of charge in exchange for marketing and being part of the network.
01:53:58.660$25 million Rachel Maddow is flushed down the toilet when she gets no ratings.
01:54:02.060Sure, she gets great ratings among 70-year-olds.
01:54:03.480But with this being the podcast presidency, expect to see this year and next, I'm talking hundreds of millions of dollars invested into liberal establishment.
01:54:13.640And let's just say, you're going to start seeing big podcasters brought to you by Pfizer.
01:54:21.660I think what this encapsulates is the importance really is not just of Maha and the administration, but the continuation of the momentum on the consumer level of people.
01:54:32.280And if that continues, then that stuff won't matter.
01:54:43.380Because enough people said, I've watched Tim get it right enough times that I am repeating my visit there.
01:54:49.880This idea that social media somehow manipulates people and creates a bubble, we don't keep going back to a podcaster that we catch lying, getting it wrong.
01:54:59.240What they think, this is their problem.
01:55:01.460The pharmaceutical industry, yes, they are going to fund a podcaster to spew a bunch of bullcrap that doesn't stand up, that will support the next COVID virus that comes along or pandemic and the products behind it.
01:55:12.340But the population will, it won't matter that it was legacy media or podcast.
01:56:19.400It's why we joined Rumble recently more heavily as part of a network, and it's why we've been posting on Rumble for a long time.
01:56:24.920And it's a challenge because a lot of people, you know, nobody, nobody wants to be the first to sacrifice, to plant the tree whose shade they know they won't sit beneath.
01:56:33.200What's going to happen is the big tech platforms are going to feign adherence to Donald Trump as they are.
01:56:38.700They're going to set the censorship levels at 51% censored conservative, 49% censored Democrat.
01:56:44.540They're going to create a downward slope towards pro-pharma, pro-narrative machine, knowing that if they come out with the liberals version of Joe Rogan, who simply says, we love big pharma, it's not going to work.
01:56:56.000But if they suppress Joe and cap his maximum reach and then prop up more moderate – I'll give you a good example.
01:57:35.020And in 10 or 15 years, we will have recaptured the modern American audience.
01:57:38.900Because we, as independent producers, will not be able to compete with Comcast and Disney putting $1 billion behind podcasters.
01:57:48.180And while we can say, as of now, people want authenticity, they will figure out how to make it work.
01:57:53.460And if you don't believe me, ask Coca-Cola why they keep buying commercials, even though they're the most popular beverage in the world or whatever it may be.
01:58:22.220I mean, I was just saying as far as our voices, if they get control of the levers and they censor us, which was the bullet, I hope.
01:58:29.480I mean, we at least dodged some of it the moment Donald Trump dodged that bullet, this nation dodged a bullet because, I mean, the ads that I was running, I left the campaign at the very end just to move Kennedy voters over to Trump, which was a crazy experience.
01:58:43.760But we ran an ad that we called End Free Speech, and it was Kamala Harris promising censorship and John Kerry demanding censorship.
01:58:52.620So we were on the verge of losing our First Amendment right, which is the only right that actually matters because nothing exists after.
01:59:08.120And I'm not sure, you know, hopefully Donald Trump has enough people around him.
01:59:11.660I think a huge transition, by the way, is watching that we're not going to vaccinate the birds all of a sudden to see the USDA make a ship because there's a lot of concerns.
01:59:20.440So it looks like the Trump administration is growing an ability to evolve and learn, which I don't think it had during the last time.
01:59:29.240I'll add one thing to this, which is breaking news as of last night, yesterday.
01:59:39.240The speculation right now is the gutting of USAID funds and the EPA $375 billion slush fund has pulled hundreds of billions of dollars out of the establishment bureaucratic states machine.
01:59:52.700And so while we do fear mass investment into opposition media, or I shouldn't call it opposition.
01:59:59.080It's opposition at this point because we won.
02:00:03.420Maybe this is why Donald Trump is in for one month and he's going so heavy with Doge and going after these agencies because he is, I call it Donald Trump's march to the sea on the deep state.
02:00:13.700So what we're learning, and you're correctly pointing out, is that globally, a lot of the Western media has been subsidized as an agent of foreign policy and state policy.
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02:01:29.580Mike Benz talks about it as soft power.
02:01:32.240And he basically makes the case that as an empire, that we have to use soft power and it's to some extent appropriate that we do so.
02:01:42.760And one of our primary mechanisms, one of the most effective, cost-effective mechanisms is not armed combat, but it's information warfare.
02:01:50.640And that we've used as an agent of a product of State Department and foreign policy now for decades.
02:03:08.600And as you point out, suddenly the rug is pulled out and those systems, those NGOs that were dependent on government funding and so therefore were not truly non-governmental are collapsing.
02:03:21.260I also want to point out that we were given an advantage we may never get again, which was the COVID pandemic.
02:03:26.240The biggest mistake the machine made, and I think about like the they, where they planning the takeover of the world, and I've always said the vaccines, is one of the great controls of humanity.
02:03:38.200If you can just be injecting everybody with products that they just line up, they never ask a question, there's all sorts of controls you can have there.
02:03:45.080But, you know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
02:04:27.780Then all of a sudden, in their infinite wisdom, in their last power grab to grab control and take away our First Amendment rights and our Constitution rights,
02:04:34.720they said, let's lock them in their house so that they cannot move.
02:04:38.300And suddenly we sat there and said, huh, I got nothing to do.
02:04:49.940And they kicked back and we got to them.
02:04:52.440We finally had – Robert Kennedy Jr. could speak for hours about all the truth, and that's the biggest mistake they made.
02:04:59.940The machine that locked us down should never have done that if they wanted to take over the world.
02:05:05.580The censorship machine was the worst it has ever been in that period.
02:05:09.660The problem is you can only push so far before you break the machine.
02:05:15.420The pressure causes a political explosion.
02:05:19.560So for shows like ours, Tim Guest IRL, for instance, we were enjoying during the peak of COVID 80,000, 90,000 concurrent viewers per episode, getting a million plus per night.
02:05:29.440People had nothing to do and nowhere to go.
02:05:31.260So they were watching nothing but us criticize not so much anything that broke the rules, authoritarianism.
02:05:39.160So for a lot of shows that spoke about lab leak theory, vaccination, or alternative medications, whatever it may be, banned instantly.
02:05:46.720For shows like ours, we were like, look, man, talk to a doctor.
02:06:09.460What was strange to me was celebrities advocating for driving their cars into parking lots of 7-Elevens and letting people they've never met inject them with anything.
02:06:17.440And so there was one moment where Casey Neistat, he's a good dude, I got no beef, tweeted, go get vaccinated.
02:06:24.600I responded to him saying, how about you go talk to your doctor about what's right for you?
02:07:56.260And we ended up through COVID having 7 million views a week on our show.
02:08:00.040And I spend half that money suing the government of the United States.
02:08:03.720So I've won against the FDA, the NIH, CDC, Health and Human Services.
02:08:07.540When you heard that the Pfizer documents were 75 years the FDA wanted to hide the Pfizer data, my nonprofit, my viewers paid to win that lawsuit.
02:08:16.680We won the Pfizer data, the Moderna data.
02:08:18.840So you want to talk about activist television.