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00:00:59.320 Welcome, my friends. This is the Culture War Podcast. I am Tim Poole, your host. We're going to debate stuff.

00:01:15.200 And we're going to talk about culture, American culture, economics, free trade, etc.

00:01:20.780 There was a big debate that happened in December on the internet, and people were talking about H-1B visas,

00:01:27.780 whether we should be bringing people in to do these jobs that was marketed as high-skill labor.

00:01:32.780 But then people started pulling up H-1B applications, finding that there were like casino dealers and servers

00:01:39.580 and Panda Express employees that they were trying to get H-1B visas for.

00:01:43.620 Now, these jobs are considered entry-level, meaning if Americans need jobs, then we should be training Americans to do these jobs.

00:01:50.660 So this debate got pretty intense. Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk got a lot of flack for this.

00:01:54.840 Recently, Donald Trump stated at a press conference that he was in favor of H-1B because we need wine experts and waiters.

00:02:01.740 That's right, waiters, like people to serve you food.

00:02:03.800 Now, a lot of people did not, the debate did not reignite, which is surprising to me,

00:02:10.020 and very few people covered that Donald Trump said this, considering how angry the Trump base was over this.

00:02:14.100 But there was a question that arose that, or I should say a point was made by Sam Hyde.

00:02:19.040 He released a video on the unquantifiable.

00:02:21.340 So what we're going to do is we're going to discuss free trade, H-1B, outsourcing, etc.

00:02:25.980 And I believe it will be a lot of discussion, quite a bit of debate, and we're going to get to the root issues around culture, economics, and immigration.

00:02:34.340 We've got a handful of really great people joining us today to talk about all of this.

00:02:37.300 Elijah Schaefer is here.

00:02:38.620 Yes, I am here. I am back in the United States again.

00:02:43.420 And believe it or not, I'm not here to talk about Israel and say it 176 times.

00:02:47.740 It's a different topic.

00:02:49.260 And I want to remind you guys, please follow my new show, Almost Serious, on YouTube.

00:02:54.520 It's a brand new channel. We've got one episode out, but we've got backers.

00:02:57.320 It's amazing, and I'm happy to be here with my best friend and the best man at my wedding, Brad Palumbo.

00:03:03.460 Well, we actually met like 30 minutes ago.

00:03:06.920 Yeah, I'm happy to be here as well.

00:03:08.720 Thanks for having me, Tim, and good to be here with you guys.

00:03:10.960 Who are you? What do you do?

00:03:12.200 I'm an independent journalist, YouTuber, and podcaster.

00:03:14.780 I host the Brad vs. Everyone podcast on YouTube and different platforms,

00:03:18.400 mostly covering kind of internet, media, and politics from a center-right or maybe classically liberal perspective.

00:03:25.780 Right on. Phil's here as well.

00:03:27.040 Hello, everybody. My name is Phil Labonte.

00:03:28.720 I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band, All That Remains.

00:03:30.420 I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.

00:03:32.920 I'd actually describe Phil now as a post-libertarian.

00:03:35.760 Yeah, I mean, libertarians are annoying as hell, so that's legitimate.

00:03:39.200 But we were talking about this the other day because you had called yourself libertarian for quite a long time.

00:03:44.220 Yeah, I mean, I have problems with a lot of libertarian takes,

00:03:48.080 not because of the ideology behind them or because of the impulses behind them,

00:03:54.520 but because of the way that they pan out in the real world.

00:03:57.160 And because, look, the enemy gets a vote, right?

00:03:59.480 So if you're like, well, we shouldn't have a government that has this power,

00:04:03.800 and you're like, okay, cool, when we get a hold of the government, we're going to make this power go away.

00:04:07.920 Well, as soon as the other guys get a hold of the government, they're going to bring it right back.

00:04:11.060 So saying that, oh, we can just wish that the government didn't have this power or whatever,

00:04:16.680 we don't live in a country or a world where that's an actual reasonable thing,

00:04:22.980 so you have to exercise power when you have it.

00:04:25.540 And unfortunately, I mean, I reside to the fact that the founders were right.

00:04:31.780 If men were angels, we wouldn't need government, but because men are not angels, we do need government,

00:04:36.300 and that means when you get power, you have to do things to make sure that your society

00:04:41.140 and your opinions and your perspectives are put into action by government.

00:04:49.740 Let's start from the beginning. I have this tweet. I tweeted it December 29th.

00:04:52.280 I said, I effing despised free trade. It extracted American jobs and gutted our culture,

00:04:55.980 to which Brad responded, tell me you don't understand economics at all without telling me,

00:04:59.880 to which I responded, you don't know-ish about what these policies did to my industry and culture,

00:05:04.200 and Brad said, let's debate it. So this actually is one of the crudest and most simplest forms of the

00:05:11.040 culture versus economics debate. The point I was making was not an economic one. It was quite

00:05:16.800 literally a culture one, to which I stated. And Brad, your response was on economics, which shows

00:05:21.240 the, I guess, the fracture between the two ideas at play.

00:05:26.120 It did say extracted jobs, though, so that touches on economics.

00:05:28.400 Sure, sure. It extracted American jobs, which ended up gutting our culture, which it absolutely

00:05:33.720 did as a fact. And there are a few industries that have been particularly destroyed, completely

00:05:38.880 eradicated. And this wiped out the culture of which I have dedicated and spent my whole life a part of,

00:05:44.700 which is largely skateboarding. It is dead completely. It's thriving in Asia. I'm not surprised

00:05:51.480 to see that considering the entirety of the skateboard industry was extracted to Asia.

00:05:56.380 And some of the most prominent companies and biggest cultural hubs have now relocated to China

00:06:02.420 and Japan instead of the United States. And it's because of free trade. And they started selling back

00:06:07.540 our products to us that were originally made by Americans for dirt costs because it's made by

00:06:12.100 slave labor. I get so absolutely angry about this.

00:06:15.480 It's evil, though, because to put any industry in Asia, the word skateboard is probably kind of hard for

00:06:20.640 them to say, you know, skateboard. So it's like kind of a mean thing. But also it's true. It's like

00:06:25.620 it's like let's it's like it's like the guy who named Lululemon, you know, he named it. He literally

00:06:29.460 said, why'd you name Lululemon? He was racist. Right. And he said he said, because it's hard for

00:06:33.300 Asians to say because they say Ruru Remen. And I heard that. That's a true statement that he did.

00:06:38.200 He literally he also said the clothes weren't for fat people. That's why it makes them thin, because if you

00:06:42.660 can see your skin through the pants in the shops, not for you. But I do think it's kind of weird that we'd give

00:06:46.560 skateboarding out there because maybe it's just like my typical understanding. But I think of

00:06:50.240 skateboarding is like an O.C. white guys, you know, sort of mentality. I mean, we have a lot

00:06:54.500 of, you know, black guys or whatever that do it now. But the Asian people, I've never seen really

00:06:58.240 an Asian in Asia skateboarding. Is that even a thing? Oh, bro. The the the best skateboarders in

00:07:03.700 the world now are Asians. And you do kickflip now like the parents, you know, call me when you're

00:07:09.240 professional. Well, so gravity. So so I'll try to I'll frame this in a way for anybody who doesn't

00:07:14.400 know or care about skateboarding. Let's let's let's remove that and just say American sport, which was

00:07:19.040 was largely popular in Southern California and still it still was for a long time. This this

00:07:24.040 this mecca, as it were, of skateboarding. If you lived, you know, like when I grew up, skateboarding

00:07:29.660 has its ups and downs. It was big in like the 70s. Then it kind of waned and it came back a little

00:07:33.740 bit in the 80s and it waned and it came back a little bit in the 90s, completely died in the

00:07:37.220 mid 90s and was resurrected in the late late in 1999 to 2000 with the Tony Hawk Pro Skater game

00:07:42.540 that came out, birthing this new generation and this era where you had the CKY videos became a

00:07:48.920 massive success on VHS. And then you got Viva La Bam and all this Bam Margera and Jackass

00:07:53.920 skateboard stuff. You had skateboarders who were millionaires. It was a multibillion dollar industry

00:07:58.880 and they made skateboards here and there were skateboard shops. And then companies decided to

00:08:06.580 have North American rock maple shipped to China, which is expensive, turned into skateboards for

00:08:13.440 pennies on the dollar by slave labor in China and then shipped back to the United States, which is

00:08:18.220 ridiculously expensive. But because their labor costs had dropped so much and there was no tariff or

00:08:23.200 penalty to doing this trade, companies stopped producing skateboards. And even to this day, as we

00:08:28.380 launched Boonies HQ and we sell skateboards, we were pitched by all of these manufacturers to buy from

00:08:35.860 China instead of America. And I said, why would I invest in a foreign countries industry when I'm

00:08:42.260 trying to bring skateboarding back to the United States? Skateboarding is dead as an industry has

00:08:47.180 been completely ripped to shreds. Bro, some of these pros that used to be some of the biggest names

00:08:53.960 in my generation, they're Uber drivers. One guy famously now posting videos working at Lowe's.

00:09:00.200 These are professional athletes who previously had contracts with major companies.

00:09:03.980 These shoe deals have been destroyed. And now what we're getting is when you watch these skate

00:09:11.620 contests, they're in Asia, they're in China. Why? Well, here's how it works. When skateboarding,

00:09:16.020 let's say American sport again, you don't worry about skateboarding. When they started making

00:09:19.840 skateboards, this is like, I don't know, early 60s or whatever. There's this famous life magazine

00:09:23.960 of a woman, I forget her name, doing a handstand on these little oval shaped boards.

00:09:28.100 They had clay wheels. Shops started to appear, started to make these boards. And it's like one

00:09:34.120 person, two people. And then they would do community events. They'd say, we need to market

00:09:38.100 this product to our neighbors and to our community. So they would put up flyers and they'd tell everybody,

00:09:43.700 hey, come down to the park. We're gonna do this skateboard thing. And parents would be like, oh,

00:09:47.380 wow, let's go check out whatever this thing is. Let's go. It's a Sunday in the park. And there's this

00:09:51.980 very famous life magazine where in Central Park, they have all of these people. And there's a man

00:09:56.020 wearing a suit with sunglasses and nobody knows who he is. The mysterious man never found him.

00:10:00.020 And he's got his hands in his pockets and he's cruising down a little hill on a skateboard.

00:10:04.240 When these kids were brought to these community events, because there was marketing and promotion

00:10:07.820 being done, these kids picked up skateboarding and developed this culture. They showed their

00:10:11.860 friends, they told their friends. When the shop started selling more skateboards, these

00:10:15.000 promotional events, they hired more locals to start manufacturing skateboards. These men would then make

00:10:19.480 boards, bring them home to their kids. And thus the culture is expanding. It has its up and downs,

00:10:25.140 but largely skateboarding continued to evolve and develop. And eventually we got to the point

00:10:30.540 where companies figured out we don't need to make skateboards in America anymore. We can use these

00:10:35.260 shipping lanes to China. Now here's the reality. It's really expensive to do this, but Chinese slave

00:10:41.740 labor is so cheap, we can get an additional $10 per board. So they come to us and they say, Tim,

00:10:47.620 if you're going to sell skateboards, if you want to make your own custom decks, go with China.

00:10:50.720 They're of comparable quality. And that's true. They are, they are actually really good

00:10:55.100 and you'll make $10 more per board. And I said, and then there will be no local events. There will

00:11:02.280 be no local manufacturing shop. There will be no father showing the child what he's doing. There

00:11:06.360 will be no skateboard community events around the area where they make these skateboards.

00:11:09.500 There'll be no factory. It'll be in China and the Chinese workers will show their kids and the

00:11:14.660 culture will develop there. And where we are today is that in Japan and China, skateboarding is

00:11:19.980 skyrocketing. Some of the best pros, they're doing reality TV shows and the culture in the

00:11:23.920 United States is dead and they've evacuated the country. That's free trade. That is what

00:11:28.480 outsourcing and free trade has done to skateboarding. It is completely dead. And

00:11:32.520 there are pro skateboarders now doing Uber delivery. So that's why I say I despise free trade. And it's

00:11:37.040 not the only industry this has happened to. It happens to a bunch of cultures.

00:11:40.000 Don't you think it's slightly myopic to condemn all of free trade based on one micro niche industry

00:11:44.580 and culture? Nope. I think you are singling out the fact that it directly affected my culture

00:11:48.880 to say it's only one small thing. When in fact, I've gotten waves of comments and emails from

00:11:53.260 people saying the same thing happened to my industry. It happened to snowboarding, it happened

00:11:56.480 to surfboard, surfing. And that's easy for me to say because they're related sports, but

00:12:00.660 there's a whole bunch of other industries that have been completely destroyed by outsourcing.

00:12:04.440 The idea that Tim's essentially presenting that it's cheaper for a company to go overseas,

00:12:11.600 build a factory, and have their products made there because there are no... And this is something

00:12:17.080 that should fall right in your wheelhouse. There are no labor laws. There's no minimum wage.

00:12:23.620 There's no unions. It's cheaper for a company to build a plant in China where they can hire

00:12:28.460 essentially slave labor or people for pennies as opposed to dollars and ship all the raw materials

00:12:35.320 they need to China, have it built in China, and then ship it back. That's something that's

00:12:39.800 not... That's uncontroversial to talk about. That is absolutely something that's happened

00:12:44.620 over the past 30, 40 years. It's not some secret. Everybody's kind of aware of it. And a big part

00:12:50.940 of the reason why the United States is in the position that it's in with jobs and with skilled...

00:12:56.100 with not having good jobs for people is because the government here and unions and labor laws

00:13:03.460 here and unions have made the... You know, made producing things here super, super hard. Tim was

00:13:10.080 talking just last night about the difficulties that he's facing with the state of West Virginia

00:13:16.080 with hiring... Screw West Virginia. Honestly, I'm going to second that because I'm from California.

00:13:21.160 I remember all of that BS. But the point... And you're totally right, Elijah. But the point is

00:13:25.720 regulation makes it difficult to do business. And regulation is why we had this outsourcing of

00:13:33.240 jobs and sending... That's not free trade. Pardon me? That's a totally different question than free

00:13:37.440 trade. It's a triple hit. It is regulations slam business in the United States, which I think you

00:13:43.100 probably agree with. Yeah. Environmental regulations restrict any certain kinds of business operations,

00:13:47.460 and then they remove tariffs and restrictions on free trade, forcing companies to say, well, we have no

00:13:53.040 choice. We have to manufacture or build our factories in China because we can't do them in the United

00:13:56.660 States. But I want to hear... But see, what I think is interesting about Brad, Brad, I want to hear

00:13:59.760 your opinion because all I'm getting from this... So this is the first time I'm seeing this, right? So if

00:14:03.780 I'm a normie and I'm like looking at this, which I am here, you know, you see Tim Pool said,

00:14:07.760 I effing despise free trade. So obviously there's like a statement about a certain, you know,

00:14:12.740 you know, subject, right? So free trade, he doesn't like it. And he has a reason why it extracted

00:14:17.800 American jobs. It gutted our culture. So the idea is that, you know, the economy, it's giving our

00:14:22.820 jobs overseas. And essentially what with that, right, you're seeing the degradation like we saw

00:14:27.120 with the iron and steel mills and whatnot going on in the Midwest, where eventually if you lose these

00:14:31.680 jobs, you lose blue collar workers. If you lose that, you lose cities, you lose towns, you lose a huge

00:14:36.820 part of what makes America America, right? Where we're just a country of people who get four-year

00:14:41.760 degrees and work, you know, entry-level jobs, typing on Excel spreadsheets. You lose a lot of what's

00:14:46.780 going on. Plus, including like he said, with the skateboards, you actually even lose quality.

00:14:50.800 This actually changes entire industries, et cetera. And then you said, tell me you don't

00:14:53.740 understand economics without telling me. I don't understand economics. Tell me why he's wrong.

00:14:58.600 Well, because free trade has been one of the most profound forces for human development

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00:16:18.300 to find a location near you. Expansion of free trade globally. The drops in levels of absolute

00:16:24.300 poverty have been astounding. People, economists who study this view it as almost miraculous. The

00:16:31.160 growth and decrease in human poverty and suffering we've seen in part because of the expansion of

00:16:36.980 global trade. The living standards enabled in the United States by free trade, where everyone is

00:16:43.160 walking around with supercomputers in their pockets, where people have access to a life that even 50 or

00:16:49.820 100 years ago, the richest people's lives compared to the poorest people's today, you'd rather be a poor

00:16:56.140 person today than the richest person, than be Rockefeller in the early 20th century. The living

00:17:01.640 standards that are enabled by this are phenomenal. The improvements in human progress are miraculous

00:17:09.060 and you can't actually put that genie back in the bottle. Attempts to undo it, really, you can't undo

00:17:14.420 progress. A lot of what you're mad about here is progress, not trade.

00:17:18.560 So the points that you're making are, I'm 100% on board with all the stuff you're saying, and that's

00:17:25.300 where my libertarian foundation comes through. It is true that trade and markets lift people out of

00:17:34.040 poverty. The reason why poverty has almost been totally wiped out globally, except for very, very

00:17:40.040 few areas, is because of free trade and because of trade and markets and stuff. And the number of

00:17:48.420 unnecessary deaths in a society goes down correspondingly with the wealth of that society.

00:17:57.160 So there's a meme that we talk about, like number go up, so it's good, right? And chart go up or

00:18:03.160 whatever. And that's a meme. But there's also truth to it. Exactly. There is a kernel of truth,

00:18:10.400 and maybe even more than a kernel of truth, that rich societies do not have as much unnecessary

00:18:16.980 death as poor societies. And they don't have as much unnecessary violence. They're always more

00:18:23.180 peaceful. They're more collaborative societies. You end up with a better result when you're dealing

00:18:30.140 with rich societies. And I'm sure that there are any number of ways that you can dissect these

00:18:37.260 numbers, these things. But the idea that having a rich society is not preferable to having a poor

00:18:43.860 society, that's just not right. The restrictions on trade make us poor, and they prolog progress.

00:18:49.980 So what it sounds to me like is the wealth of the United States, in terms of our actual resources

00:18:56.100 and our actual cultural development, must be sacrificed to increase poverty in China. I mean,

00:19:01.440 I'm sorry, to decrease poverty in China. No, the living standards of the U.S. should not be

00:19:05.880 compromised so that certain things can be made here more expensively and less efficiently rather

00:19:11.580 than be made overseas. Less efficiently? That's a cultural problem.

00:19:14.260 Less efficiently. That's a cultural problem. By the way, I'm glad we're talking about this because

00:19:17.380 an ancient historian and also a philosopher named Jaden Smith once said, while all my friends are

00:19:22.800 around, you know, just talking about whatever, we're here to talk about the economic and political

00:19:26.380 state of the world, right? That is a very, very serious thing. Thank you, Jaden Smith, for always

00:19:29.660 reminding us to keep focused on what's very serious. He's my hero, and he's one of the best

00:19:33.520 influencers in the world. But the Smith family aside, look, I call this the Walmart dilemma,

00:19:38.200 and I'm going to explain to you why I actually agree with the fact that free trade, as he would

00:19:42.480 call it, or unrestricted free trade, is diabolical. So I went to go buy a PlayStation 5. Yes, I'm a dad

00:19:49.020 of two kids. Yes, I don't have a lot of time to play it, but I wanted to try it because I needed

00:19:52.900 to play GTA 5 and shoot some cops in the video game. That's apparently what Elon Musk thinks I bought

00:19:57.500 it for. But I wanted to have a little bit of fun. I wanted to feel like what it was like,

00:20:01.800 African-American free culture. It was cool. I like it. It's fun. And so I went to go buy one,

00:20:06.980 and I looked, and there's only a few places I could get one in a very densely populated region

00:20:11.300 like Boca Raton. This is right between Miami and West Palm. There's three places that I could

00:20:15.820 physically get one. It was Walmart, Target, and GameStop. These are large corporations, right?

00:20:20.900 There's no mom-and-pop shops. There's no video game stores selling PlayStations. This is a commodity

00:20:24.380 that people want, and it's only there. Now, if I want to go online, the same thing. It was

00:20:28.700 Walmart. It was Amazon, or it was these foreign sites that you could get, which were also large

00:20:33.600 corporations. And you could have it delivered the next day to your place.

00:20:36.120 Well, yes, yes. So this is great, right? So look, I'm not complaining about the access to this.

00:20:40.460 So I go to go to Walmart, which I try not to do. I brought my gun with me whenever I go into that

00:20:45.420 place, allegedly, because they have those signs on the door, so I wouldn't do it. But I go to walk in.

00:20:50.500 I walk in the back, and I ask the guy for a PlayStation 5. He says,

00:20:54.820 here you go. And it says $374 on it. It's got a sticker that says $374. It's a great deal.

00:21:00.360 We go up to the counter, and he hasn't really said a word, and he checks me out,

00:21:05.740 checks out the PlayStation. He wasn't into me. Haitian immigrants, apparently I'm not their type.

00:21:09.680 So he checks out the PlayStation. I like to think, right? I'm beautiful to a Haitian boat guy. But

00:21:15.120 he checks it out. It's like $484. It's literally $110 more expensive. And I stand there, and I go,

00:21:20.540 okay, dude, hey, this is the wrong price. And he's like, huh? And I'm like, the price on here

00:21:27.680 is $110 less than what you have. And I'm going to go somewhere with this. Listen. And he's looking

00:21:31.720 at me so confused. And I'm like, the price on the device is cheaper than the price you're charging me.

00:21:39.640 Something's wrong. And he goes to the website. Go check the website. And it's the correct price on

00:21:44.200 the website. It's $374. And he's like, oh, I don't know what to do. And I was like, call a manager.

00:21:50.100 Do something. The manager goes, oh, we can't do this. Also a Haitian woman or whatever. We can't

00:21:54.980 do this. And I'm looking at him, and I'm going, I go, look, man, pull something up. I want to see

00:21:59.760 your guys' policy. We have economic policies here where you got to offer me this at the payment

00:22:05.700 price. He accidentally brings up his Coinbase wallet, types in his password. He was like $30

00:22:09.800 in there. It was crazy. So his password was crypto wallet. Brings it up. And I looked at him,

00:22:13.820 and I go, why the hell am I even trying to argue with this Haitian guy about a price on a sticker?

00:22:20.840 This guy is trying to bring up a website and brought up his Coinbase wallet. Gave me his

00:22:23.740 password. This guy's got an IQ, not because he's Haitian, but he's got an IQ probably like 70.

00:22:27.800 And I was thinking, I looked around for a second, and I go, you know what? It is like 1030 at night.

00:22:32.420 The fact that it is crazy that I can get a PlayStation 5 at 1030 at night on demand in the

00:22:37.160 middle of life is quite a great benefit. But on the other hand, I look, things are falling apart in the

00:22:41.980 store. And I go, you know what? This place sucks. And who is this guy? I'm not even going to

00:22:46.440 complain because what American with our standards would want to be working in this crappy place with

00:22:51.000 the CFL lights working for $12 an hour selling PlayStations? Nobody. So what do they do? They

00:22:56.220 bring in clearly like a Haitian immigrant who barely speaks English to serve that goal. This is where the

00:23:00.620 economy part, you know, it's a great economically, it's a great access for me. But in terms of degrading

00:23:05.120 our standards as a culture, I thought about it for a second. I go, you know what's kind of crazy?

00:23:08.940 There should be some sort of limitations on this where you can have the Walton family

00:23:13.020 move in and bring in a Walmart, which then means I didn't go to Walmart out of choice. I went there

00:23:17.900 because they've got out of all the competition. The only other competition for Walmart is other big

00:23:21.620 box, large format, huge corporations. The only people that compete are there. So we've already

00:23:25.820 taken out small business. We can get good quality service, good customer service. And then you come

00:23:30.400 in there and you go, well, everything's cheap. So they must be very profitable. Everyone must be paid

00:23:33.380 well. It must be a great experience. No, because there's no restrictions on the trade. The Walton family's

00:23:37.720 extracting, I'm going to sound like a leftist to everyone here, but look, you know, I will say,

00:23:41.720 yeah, it's fine. But I believe in nationalism and protectionism on our own economy in this way.

00:23:46.680 Then you go in and you go, well, what's going on here? So they're taking billions,

00:23:50.460 tens of billions of dollars out a year, maybe a hundred billion to import cheaper products that

00:23:55.200 they're selling at a marked up price at a point to where there's nowhere else to buy it in a living

00:24:00.360 condition and standards to their employees that are only allowing a Haitian immigrant to be someone who

00:24:04.420 could possibly think about taking that job while he lives with six people in his apartment.

00:24:08.080 That to me is disgusting. And that's the problem with all of the free trade is it's been taken

00:24:12.580 advantage of. Massive billionaires have, I don't know if we say the R word, but have RIP, you know,

00:24:18.120 us and our economy. And I feel like, you know, for a lot of people that are capitalists or whatever,

00:24:23.020 whatever the hell this is, you cannot have capitalism without a nationalist or a national

00:24:27.240 protection minded society. Nothing you just said is disgusting.

00:24:31.460 Let me address this. So outside of the whole Walmart scenario in 1950, it took approximately

00:24:37.900 4,637 hours of labor on average for the average American worker to own a home. As of 2024, it's

00:24:43.500 15,142. I don't think Gen Z is particularly buying the argument that they've been raised out

00:24:49.740 of poverty. Things have gotten better. I think Gen Z is actually livid over the conditions that

00:24:54.820 they've been left by these policies. Would you want to live in a 1950s home?

00:24:57.980 Yeah, why not? Do you know the difference in the standards of what things are you like?

00:25:03.220 What are the standards? You're not talking about the home. You're talking about the appliances.

00:25:05.880 No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. What standards? What are you talking about?

00:25:08.780 Well, yeah, I am talking about the appliances. I'm talking about the kitchen in a 1950s home.

00:25:12.860 You're talking about government? You want government regulations on all of the, how the house

00:25:15.920 should be built and all that stuff? No, I'm saying...

00:25:17.420 What's the problem with the 1950s home?

00:25:18.500 I'm saying that the homes that people live in today are vastly superior in too many ways

00:25:23.520 to count. Like how? Made out of cardboard instead of wood?

00:25:25.960 Come on, come on. Honest question. Like how?

00:25:27.300 Think of all the kitchen appliances. Like what?

00:25:29.660 Think of the air conditioning. Like what?

00:25:30.780 The stoves, the microwaves. They had stoves in the 1950s. They didn't have microwaves back

00:25:34.380 then, but they had stoves. I'm not super concerned about a microwave.

00:25:36.660 The heating systems. Like what? What is that? What is that heating system?

00:25:39.920 I'm not an expert in heating systems.

00:25:41.580 And why make the argument?

00:25:42.560 Because it's true.

00:25:43.520 They had stoves. They had fridges. They had dishwashers back then.

00:25:45.640 So why don't you go to a museum where they have this set up, what the typical home was

00:25:50.560 like in 1955, walk around and ask yourself if you'd rather live in that home than the

00:25:54.920 home that you presumably live in or most Americans live in today. You might. I mean, that's up

00:25:58.900 to you. I think 99% of people would not say so.

00:26:00.920 You're asking, ask a 24-year-old, ask a 24-year-old, would you like to have your own home right now

00:26:05.600 with a 1950s stove, a 1950s refrigerator, and a 1950s dishwasher, or would you like to live

00:26:10.700 in a bachelor apartment?

00:26:11.540 But housing is... Hold on, hold on. This whole framing is incorrect. Housing is not unaffordable

00:26:15.100 today because of free trade. It's because governments across this country have made it

00:26:18.480 impossible to build housing. That's why we have a housing shortage and housing is so expensive.

00:26:23.440 And in fact, the kind of protectionist policies you're talking about would make housing more

00:26:26.900 expensive. You put tariffs on the imports that go into building homes, you're only making it even

00:26:32.480 more expensive.

00:26:33.640 Why can't they make money?

00:26:34.700 Why can't who make money?

00:26:35.300 Why can't Gen Z make money?

00:26:37.100 There's a million reasons for that. Our government has screwed up our economy beyond control.

00:26:41.420 Maybe they can get a job like their parents and work at a steel mill, maybe. What do you think,

00:26:44.320 Elijah? Can they get a job at a steel mill?

00:26:45.540 Well, hey, can we talk about...

00:26:46.900 You know what? That's, by the way, that's why Gen Z is both the laziest and hardest working is

00:26:51.160 because there are no traditional paths towards wealth. There's no like, hey, just get this job

00:26:56.020 and then you will have a home. They have to be genius. And with that comes pioneering new avenues.

00:27:01.520 And I'll tell you, I hire some Gen Z people. One of them carries his laptop around by the screen.

00:27:06.420 It scares me.

00:27:07.080 Elijah, sorry, can we stay on?

00:27:08.140 But I'm saying he's a genius and he'll do well in life. But I'm going to say the current old

00:27:12.740 paths that people had towards wealth do not exist. And we have to understand that's because of

00:27:17.440 policies and choices and the movement of understanding.

00:27:20.480 It's not because of free trade.

00:27:20.960 No, but even if you want...

00:27:21.900 But can we stay on steel for a second?

00:27:23.240 We stay on steel. I want to talk about steel. So a great example of this is when I say that

00:27:27.980 you guys oppose free trade, what you're really upset about is just inevitable progress.

00:27:32.140 I mean, look, the invention of the automobile decimated the horse-drawn buggy industry.

00:27:35.700 Destroyed their jobs, destroyed their culture, destroyed their communities, but it was social

00:27:40.240 progress. You cannot put the genie back in the bottle when it comes to trade. Steel is a great

00:27:44.700 example. President Trump tried to in his first term. He put tariffs on steel imports from our allies and

00:27:51.240 from other countries in order to try to increase domestic steel production. And it worked a little

00:27:55.740 bit, right? You had a little bit of an increase in US steel production. But actual, and research on this

00:28:02.160 is overwhelming. Actual employment in US manufacturing overall suffered. Multiple times more jobs were

00:28:09.160 destroyed than created because the cost went up in all the other industries that have steel as an input cost.

00:28:15.600 So other manufacturing industries lost jobs. So steel could be protected a little bit. Massive more people

00:28:22.120 lost jobs and lost income in all the industries that rely on steel as an input cost. It's a huge net negative to

00:28:27.260 American society. And there's a phrase. But it protected some people who are well-connected and

00:28:30.920 favored. The saying goes, a society grows great when, the original phrase was, when men plant trees

00:28:38.100 whose shade they know they will never sit beneath. And so what you're describing is what I call the

00:28:42.180 heroin addiction economy, where it's, let's continually gut and destroy the root of labor in this country

00:28:48.260 for short term gains in other areas. I don't care if a top level company is going to decrease a little

00:28:55.960 bit if it's going to restore the base and foundation of jobs in this country. So you don't care about

00:29:01.320 policies that destroy hundreds of thousands of jobs on negative. I don't care about the fruits of the

00:29:04.360 poisonous tree. And saying now that- Well, I do. Great. And that will lead to the destruction of this

00:29:09.680 country. So we ask ourselves why it is that young people can't find jobs. They're suffering.

00:29:16.180 And it's because there used to be entry-level jobs that could help you afford to live and work in a

00:29:21.200 certain place. But there's even beyond the quantifiable. Because you say, like, this is

00:29:25.060 progress. It's progress. Let's talk about the progress. Let's talk about the outsourcing of

00:29:28.340 car manufacturing to Mexico, to Indonesia, and to China. And Donald Trump put a stop to that in his

00:29:34.000 first term. And he said, famously, as Michael Moore pointed out, he went to the executives and said,

00:29:37.820 I will put a 30% tariff on all of your cars, and no one will ever buy them again. And what happened?

00:29:42.080 A multi-billion dollar reinvestment in Michigan. And then Joe Biden got back in. And what happened?

00:29:47.480 They left again. And the jobs were gutted. Michigan- Did Biden roll back Trump's tariffs?

00:29:52.560 Some of them. Most of them he kept in place. Indeed. Most of them he kept in place. And when

00:29:56.380 the policies were reversed, or I should say the administration's enforcement of these policies,

00:30:00.980 especially, we saw those investments lost. So Michigan is collapsing. There's so much more to

00:30:07.080 this big picture. First of all, I really think we're getting too much trapped into the graph

00:30:11.880 go up argument, which is the stupidest argument imaginable. It is good that on average, people

00:30:16.700 can buy more sticks of bubblegum, and there's no more baseball at the park. There's no more apple

00:30:20.260 pie, and there's no more Christmas. That's insane.

00:30:21.840 That's such a caricature of economic progress.

00:30:24.080 But the GDP issue is a problem.

00:30:25.720 Sorry, for one second. To the people who have struggled to afford everything over the last

00:30:30.040 couple of years, and for people on your side of the political spectrum have railed against that,

00:30:34.080 and how unaffordable life has been, you are now coming on and championing policies that would make

00:30:38.060 things go up, and then dismissing the cost of living going up as, oh, bubblegum more expensive,

00:30:42.360 graph go down. No, actually, for people who don't have well, you know, comfortable media jobs,

00:30:47.800 like I think most of us do, it's actually a big deal when things get more expensive.

00:30:52.080 When the price they pay at the store goes up. When the price at Walmart for the clothes they dress

00:30:56.640 their kids. I grew up in Massachusetts and Rhode Island.

00:30:59.780 And where?

00:31:00.520 The point?

00:31:02.160 Greater Boston, and then Greater Providence before that.

00:31:05.140 And the principal issue at play is, these short-term economic gains are destroying

00:31:12.140 communities.

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00:32:09.900 ...and culture in this country, and it's resulting in, sure, maybe you can buy a PlayStation at 10pm

00:32:16.080 in a Walmart, but 10 years from now, people are going to be substantially worse off in many ways.

00:32:21.140 We're going to have lazy, gluttonous, dejected Gen Alpha, and we're already seeing this with

00:32:27.500 the generations as you further progress, as it were. There's no unity. Kids don't go outside anymore.

00:32:37.320 Because of free trade?

00:32:38.380 No, because of technology.

00:32:40.160 Okay, no, no, no, but wait, it's a little bit deeper than that, because what this is,

00:32:42.960 it's called the fake progress argument, and this is sort of the idea of looking at how do

00:32:46.860 we value a society? What metric are we putting a value onto it? And I think it's kind of funny,

00:32:51.140 to me, because people say, like Vivek, well, America is anybody. Akash Patel says,

00:32:55.480 America is for everyone in the world. It's a world dream, he said. So in that case,

00:33:00.540 everybody who doesn't live in America is currently an undocumented American. That's the dumbest thing

00:33:04.600 I've ever heard. It's like, yeah, even if you live in Nigeria, you're just an undocumented

00:33:07.020 American. That's not true. America is, first and foremost, a people. We can debate, this is not

00:33:11.580 the debate right now, to find out what that people is. Of course, legally, we've expanded that

00:33:16.260 definition to include other races, to include full rights to women to vote, etc. That has gone

00:33:20.980 with our 15th Amendment. We have moved in that direction. So I'm not going to debate against our

00:33:24.520 history. What I do bring up the fact is this. When we look at this GDP mindset, this idea that

00:33:30.060 we are an economic zone, this is the mistake that they've made in Canada. This is the mistake they

00:33:34.240 made in Australia. People know I've been living there. When you go into Melbourne, right, when you go

00:33:38.140 into Sydney, it is no longer Australia. And what do I mean by that? It's no longer a European

00:33:42.440 country. If I were to go into Chiang Mai, and it was all just a bunch of Englishmen, that's all it

00:33:47.780 was. Obviously, it wouldn't be Chiang Mai. It's the same reason why there's a lot of white people

00:33:52.640 colonizing India. They got tired of it after a while. They wanted them to leave, and they wanted

00:33:57.100 them out. We kind of feel the same way in our countries. Why? Because we're realizing that just

00:34:01.780 looking at our countries, people are a certain job. That job creates profit or benefit, and that

00:34:08.460 benefit creates GDP. And then we get a new iPhone that has an action button on the side. That's

00:34:13.640 worth gutting the entire Midwest culture of the United States, or giving my children no hope besides

00:34:19.120 maybe OnlyFans if they're a girl, or becoming a podcaster. Tim, God forbid. God forbid our kids

00:34:25.840 ever do that.

00:34:26.660 This is just a non-reality. The idea that young women growing up today have no options other

00:34:31.060 than OnlyFans. You need to touch grass.

00:34:33.260 No, I'm so much time on Twitter if you think that.

00:34:35.160 No, no. That's not an argument. No, it's over, I said. It's what he literally just said.

00:34:38.700 No, no, no. I said, I don't want my kids. You saying touch grass isn't an actual argument

00:34:41.920 to what he said. Okay, how about this? There's over a million American girls on OnlyFans.

00:34:45.060 That's crazy. There's over a million prostitutes. That's not because they have no, first off.

00:34:48.540 No, I'm saying because they're best options right now. It's not because it's their best option.

00:34:52.060 We created technology, and it's profitable, and we're basing off profit. On that regard,

00:34:56.420 OnlyFans is a good option. He's right.

00:34:58.120 OnlyFans is a good option. Sorry, one second. For the company.

00:35:00.440 Any young woman can go to college and become a nurse and instantly be employed, can become a

00:35:04.780 teacher and instantly be employed. This is massively in demand.

00:35:07.720 That's absolutely incorrect. What about H-1BA?

00:35:09.200 No, no, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We got to pause there.

00:35:12.280 It is absolutely true.

00:35:13.440 You're not getting out of college and just getting a job. That's not true.

00:35:15.960 If you have a useful degree, you absolutely are.

00:35:18.240 Absolutely incorrect.

00:35:18.580 We have more jobs right now. We have 8 million job openings, and we have about 6 million unemployed people.

00:35:23.360 And they're not aligned with the degrees kids are getting.

00:35:25.660 Yes, because they're getting gender studies degrees.

00:35:28.300 You just said nurse.

00:35:29.560 Yes.

00:35:30.200 So around half of people don't use their degrees.

00:35:31.840 What's the unemployment rate for nurses?

00:35:33.360 You tell me. I don't know.

00:35:34.020 I don't know, but I promise you, I'd be willing to bet you $500 right now.

00:35:38.260 It's under 3%.

00:35:38.580 Around half of people don't use their degrees in their field.

00:35:41.860 Yes, because they have useless degrees.

00:35:43.360 My point is that there's a path for anyone to succeed if they study something useful and in demand.

00:35:49.480 There's still a very real path.

00:35:50.840 Graph go up.

00:35:51.300 It's not graph go up.

00:35:52.520 It's a lifelong employment if you just make basic smart choices.

00:35:57.080 So let's talk about the principle.

00:35:59.920 I would say the opposite of that.

00:36:01.460 I'm a credentialed science teacher.

00:36:02.900 I was in grad school.

00:36:04.640 I have a background in genetic engineering, molecular biology, and I had my actual researcher.

00:36:08.620 This is why culture matters.

00:36:10.060 I don't care.

00:36:10.760 This is how I got into politics, by the way, because people say, oh, this is BS or whatever.

00:36:14.680 It's like, no, I was never in politics.

00:36:16.340 I don't have a degree in this.

00:36:17.040 This is not what was happening.

00:36:18.280 It was the fact that two things.

00:36:20.040 One, when I was doing research and we were studying limb regeneration, epigenetics, and we were trying to regrow limbs onto axolotls.

00:36:29.360 Essentially, what was happening there is my research lead, my PI, told me that my race was declining.

00:36:34.380 He regretted hiring white men, and he wasn't going to go in that direction.

00:36:38.040 And then he ended up blackballing me because we had a political disagreement.

00:36:40.220 This was during the beginning of the Trump era, which is very common for people.

00:36:42.980 I ended up getting blackballed where one employer told me, look, your resume is fine.

00:36:46.900 But the guy told me that he didn't have an example.

00:36:49.160 He's like, your character, you don't want this guy on your team.

00:36:51.780 And I told him it was political.

00:36:52.900 And they're like, yeah, but in the end, I do believe you, the girl told me, because she was a Trump supporter.

00:36:56.240 This is in LA at the time.

00:36:57.380 So I go to become a high school teacher.

00:36:58.860 I get a credential.

00:36:59.360 I fast track through it through an inner city program.

00:37:01.940 And then I'm the only white guy hired because I have, you know, two high of credentials, no offense to teachers, but to be like a bachelor's, you know, high school teacher at the time.

00:37:10.020 They had to split into groups, right, where, you know, you'd be in the oppressor or the oppressed.

00:37:13.800 This is very early woke stuff.

00:37:15.420 And that's how I ended up going on to, you know, the radio.

00:37:18.380 I ended up talking, you know, about how I was upset about this.

00:37:20.780 Ended up going into politics.

00:37:21.640 I was so mad about this anti-white woke stuff.

00:37:24.160 So meaning when you say, like, there are options, it's like I'm an example of the fact that, look, I have the training.

00:37:28.820 I have the pedigree.

00:37:29.640 I graduated summa cum laude.

00:37:31.140 I literally was in every club.

00:37:32.600 I was accepted into grad schools, full-ride scholarships.

00:37:35.320 I haven't got originally a full-ride scholarship to UC Irvine.

00:37:38.220 I'm not an idiot.

00:37:39.440 And I am nothing restricting me.

00:37:41.280 I have no criminal history.

00:37:42.320 I have nothing on my record or anything like that.

00:37:44.800 But I couldn't get a job in my field because the culture was skewed.

00:37:48.320 And I know that woke politics is not what we're talking about here.

00:37:51.140 But I'm not saying that.

00:37:52.000 I'm saying, but I woke up to going, yeah, your credential and your pedigree can easily become completely depleted or not even worth anything if what the cultural mindset and values that are at play are not aligned with what we want.

00:38:07.920 And the reason why I say that is right now I was trying to reference Australia.

00:38:12.200 Australia is a good example that we can look at if what you're saying is true.

00:38:16.820 Because Australia has less people than live in California, less people than live in Florida, in an entire country, the landmass of the United States.

00:38:23.200 It's a pretty good example.

00:38:24.080 With some of the most advanced cities in the world, it is a global player.

00:38:27.060 And it's also part of the five eyes, right, of military intelligence.

00:38:30.180 This is not a minor country.

00:38:31.640 This is a serious player with multi-trillion dollar GDP.

00:38:34.760 Australia right now has taken the mindset that they are a global country, that they are an economic zone, that anybody can come.

00:38:41.900 They've made a deal with Modi to bring in a million more, up to a million more Indians per year.

00:38:45.320 They have a deal with China to bring in China if they have a certain amount of wealth in their bank.

00:38:49.100 And what you're having right now is the most explosive, denigrating destruction of a country we will see in terms of – it is, besides Hong Kong, the second highest housing market in the country.

00:38:58.080 Because you're bringing in people that are artificially inflating the home prices.

00:39:02.160 You have – but you also have the socialist government, like you said, which I'll agree, that's restricting home building to prevent environmental destruction.

00:39:09.800 So you have this skewed difference.

00:39:12.660 So right now I think it's like eight to ten times the average yearly salary is like an entry-level home.

00:39:17.620 I might be wrong.

00:39:18.160 I'm going to be six.

00:39:18.680 But eight to ten times last time I read of entry-level salary with a four-year degree just to be able to get an entry-level two-bedroom, one-bathroom house there.

00:39:25.380 They live in smaller homes.

00:39:26.160 On top of that, the competition there – like I have three friends there myself who have had to leave cities, move around, and one moved to Poland because they cannot compete with the Indians.

00:39:34.780 It's not H-1B there.

00:39:35.800 They cannot compete.

00:39:37.020 They're trained at the University of Sydney, the best university there, and they cannot compete because they keep getting lower wages and agreeing to lower wages than they want.

00:39:43.840 I've watched that culture get destroyed, and I'm seeing it at such a homogenous level across every major city, Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra.

00:39:52.360 You got all the way up in Gold Coast.

00:39:54.920 It's all being destroyed, and I go – I look at that as an American, and I go, I see that here regionally in some places.

00:40:01.180 I just don't want that for the whole country.

00:40:03.100 And I know I'm not – sorry, I should say that on YouTube.

00:40:05.380 I know I'm not – you know, the R word because it looks like the whole country or at least half the country is seeing what I'm seeing.

00:40:11.140 So it just feels like – it feels like I'm talking to a woke person because all I'm hearing is my experience, my truth, my anecdotal evidence.

00:40:20.540 What about the overarching trend of the entire nation?

00:40:22.120 Everything you just talked about, for example.

00:40:23.700 That's not my experience.

00:40:24.300 That's the actual –

00:40:25.300 It's the vibes you've observed.

00:40:27.380 Immigration doesn't lower wages.

00:40:28.400 No, this stuff is – like this is actual –

00:40:29.500 This is a documented phenomenon.

00:40:30.540 This is the liberal versus conservative party.

00:40:32.100 This is their current debate.

00:40:32.940 I spoke at CPAC Australia.

00:40:34.320 This is being debated in their parliament.

00:40:36.300 Like this is not my experience.

00:40:37.500 This is a – like that's where you have Paul Lavera or whatever.

00:40:39.360 You have Justin Trudeau.

00:40:40.220 This is what's happening in Canada too.

00:40:41.900 This is not my experience.

00:40:43.120 This is a – these are – countries are split on this issue.

00:40:45.120 I was living there.

00:40:45.820 I'm saying I follow the politics.

00:40:47.640 I'm involved.

00:40:48.140 I have family in the political system, in the intelligence community.

00:40:51.020 This is the actual issue going on.

00:40:52.620 This is not –

00:40:53.140 I didn't read this in a book.

00:40:53.940 Immigration does not lower wages except for one subgroup of Americans.

00:40:58.420 Immigration leads to an increase in jobs for domestic-born Americans, an increase in wages for domestic-born Americans because it's not just an increase in labor.

00:41:07.720 So just give me a moment.

00:41:08.580 It's not just an increase in the supply of labor because if all that changed – and this is kind of the talking point – was, oh, well, now we have more people competing for the jobs, of course then wages would go down.

00:41:17.660 But also the demand for all the other goods and services around them in the community also goes up.

00:41:23.300 The total productive capacity of the nation and the economy goes up when you have more people who can work and produce.

00:41:30.680 And what that means is higher wages and more jobs.

00:41:34.000 There's so much research into this.

00:41:36.140 For every immigrant that comes in and fills a job, I don't know about you, but I can go and buy an apple pie for a few dollars.

00:41:41.940 Guys, the argument –

00:41:42.540 I don't know what you're talking about.

00:41:44.400 That's exactly the –

00:41:45.140 That's a really great example.

00:41:46.380 Like, you don't know what I'm talking about.

00:41:47.480 That's the point of your tweet when I said you don't know-ish about this stuff.

00:41:51.660 It's not singular culture.

00:41:53.340 It's the fact that you cannot import massive amounts of people.

00:41:56.040 So, graph, go up and then wonder why it is that your mall no longer has Christmas morning with Santa Claus and they're doing a holiday festival season instead.

00:42:04.040 There are things that –

00:42:04.940 Is that the worst thing in the world, that there's multiple holidays represented?

00:42:07.580 The things we care about and our moral traditions are no longer represented in our communities?

00:42:10.980 It is a bad thing.

00:42:11.460 Christmas is no longer represented in our communities.

00:42:13.560 These things are on decline.

00:42:15.000 Not in Boca Raton.

00:42:16.180 I don't know where you live.

00:42:17.940 Look, I live in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

00:42:19.860 I drive down.

00:42:21.120 Everyone's house is decked out for Christmas.

00:42:23.320 Churches are packed and overflowing.

00:42:24.980 I just feel like you guys live in a different reality than I do.

00:42:28.540 I live in a reality where I've watched numerous different subcultures be completely gutted and decimated and industries ripped to shreds by this graph go up mentality of neolibs and libertarians.

00:42:39.300 It's creative destruction.

00:42:40.940 And economic progressing does destroy some jobs and industries.

00:42:43.620 The world is made better by destroying moral traditions.

00:42:46.260 You can't destroy the economy in place.

00:42:47.100 Just because you want graph go up.

00:42:48.560 Skateboarding production is not a moral tradition.

00:42:51.980 A cultural tradition that we have in this country come from all sorts of community gatherings and communications.

00:42:58.140 And, for instance, the founding fathers met in bars and pubs to create this idea of self-governance or to expand upon it.

00:43:05.360 And what we have now are people who are completely dejected, don't meet once a week.

00:43:09.040 There is no culture.

00:43:10.100 There is an increase in crime and the mechanization of the state.

00:43:12.960 What I see from libertarians in this graph go up argument is, but the economy is good.

00:43:16.400 What's the problem?

00:43:17.260 Well, I don't know.

00:43:18.060 In Dearborn, Michigan, there's a bunch of female genital mutilation.

00:43:20.300 That's probably not a good thing.

00:43:21.500 Just bringing people in for the sake of graph go up does not make your country better.

00:43:25.360 Well, hang on for a moment.

00:43:26.720 Have you seen that, though?

00:43:28.920 You're both making two different arguments.

00:43:31.280 And the real situation is there is a balance between the two.

00:43:36.160 Because Tim is talking about the important thing from his perspective is that the society and the culture take precedence over the economy.

00:43:47.300 The economy lives to serve the society and the culture because the society and the culture are the people.

00:43:53.240 So the reason that you worry about economic, you know, graph go up or however you want to phrase it, the reason you worry about those things is because that is in service to the people.

00:44:03.580 The argument that you're making, Brad, sounds like the people are in service to the economy.

00:44:08.800 No, it's that the economy is inextricable from people's well-being.

00:44:12.920 I understand that.

00:44:14.000 But the point that I'm making here is there is a balance argument here that actually needs to be argued.

00:44:20.840 And both of you are arguing to a different thing.

00:44:23.480 So you're arguing that the economy is the most important aspect.

00:44:27.800 And when voters go to the polls, it's their top issue.

00:44:30.800 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:44:31.420 I understand that.

00:44:32.580 But Tim is arguing that part of the reason why we see a decline in overall feelings of satisfaction in life, why we see people that have a higher rate of depression in our society,

00:44:44.560 why we see all these negative results in people's lives, is because we're focusing only on things like economic prosperity.

00:44:52.020 And we're not focusing on having more kids, which is another symptom of the problem that Tim is addressing.

00:44:58.180 You're not addressing the problem that Tim is.

00:45:01.220 And Tim is, I mean, maybe Tim doesn't understand.

00:45:04.420 No, no, no, no.

00:45:05.040 This is literally the argument.

00:45:06.200 The argument is literally that graph go up is short-sighted and stupid and leads to civilization collapse.

00:45:13.000 A paraplegic, one year after their accident, and a lottery winner, one year after winning, register the same levels of happiness.

00:45:19.540 That talking about people are not in poverty today, it's nebulous in that poverty will always exist because poverty is relative to the wealth of a nation.

00:45:28.420 What we're talking about is—

00:45:29.460 There's different measures.

00:45:30.000 There's absolute measures of poverty as well.

00:45:31.580 And there are people that care about their traditions, their moral frameworks, and the idea of we're going to take the manufacturing from Michigan and send it to Mexico.

00:45:41.920 It's a good thing because overall the numbers go up.

00:45:44.680 Tell it to the families in Michigan who are forced to flee as the state collapses because the hard fixed costs of infrastructure don't change and the jobs are gone.

00:45:52.480 Meaning for the average person, their share of taxes and services they have to pay for increases as people leave and there are no jobs.

00:45:59.120 Do you think the state of Michigan has collapsed?

00:46:01.400 Do you know what's going on in Michigan?

00:46:02.700 I live in Michigan.

00:46:03.720 Do you know what's going on in Michigan?

00:46:04.880 Yes.

00:46:05.240 As people—it is suffering the biggest net out migration and what's happening—how do you get the Flint, Michigan crisis?

00:46:12.160 What happened in—

00:46:12.640 Terrible local government.

00:46:13.700 Yeah.

00:46:13.920 What happened in Flint, Michigan was that the hard cost to run a water infrastructure is the same no matter how many people live there up to a certain point.

00:46:21.440 So when Detroit has—let's just use hypothetical numbers—one million people and it costs one million dollars per month to run that, everyone spends a dollar and nobody cares.

00:46:29.840 When the jobs were gutted from the state and the state started experiencing a mass net out migration, the share per person for the cost of water increased dramatically to the point where this area had the highest water costs in the country because there were no jobs.

00:46:42.960 Why?

00:46:43.220 The jobs went to Mexico.

00:46:44.640 Free trade.

00:46:45.200 Amazing, isn't it?

00:46:45.960 So what Flint, Michigan did was they said our people are in poverty and can't afford the high cost of water from the Detroit infrastructure.

00:46:52.260 Why don't we use the Flint River?

00:46:53.460 And then you end up with Legionnaire's disease and this crisis where people are now suffering and dying and getting sick because they couldn't afford the massive infrastructure as the economy collapsed.

00:47:02.380 Thank you, free trade.

00:47:03.380 But don't worry, the graph went up.

00:47:04.980 It's not about free trade.

00:47:05.940 It's about the decisions the local government made at every step of that process.

00:47:09.880 Not being able to afford water from Detroit because the auto manufacturing was gone?

00:47:13.000 Much poorer places than Flint, Michigan managed to not poison their own citizens with water.

00:47:17.240 They didn't know that their water was bad and they got off the expensive water from Detroit because they couldn't afford the infrastructure anymore.

00:47:23.800 And they didn't want to test the water?

00:47:26.020 They didn't have the tax base because the jobs are gone and people are fleeing Michigan.

00:47:30.660 If you need one million people to sustain a system and half of them jump ship, the cost double for everybody.

00:47:36.520 But I feel like we're kind of talking past each other because no one has ever said that free trade doesn't have consequences, that doesn't have downsides, that there aren't winners and losers.

00:47:45.420 And so what we're talking about here is –

00:47:47.200 Some people are left behind by economic progress.

00:47:49.820 The utilitarian argument versus the deontological argument.

00:47:52.040 That doesn't mean you try to free society in time.

00:47:54.600 You're saying the word progress over and over again because you're making an emotional play as something we should be doing.

00:47:59.220 But it's not – progress is a vague term that has no relevance here.

00:48:02.600 We're talking about policy choices.

00:48:04.440 It is not progress to hire slave labor in China.

00:48:06.940 That is a policy opinion.

00:48:09.920 Obviously, slave labor is not progress.

00:48:12.280 Most free trade is not slave labor.

00:48:14.600 How do you define these terms real fast for everyone?

00:48:16.280 Because also, breaking news, Trump's border czar Tom Homan just said right now that while he's deporting the illegals who have committed heinous crimes after Brad Palumbo said 1950s kitchens were worse than modern kitchens, he's deporting him too.

00:48:29.100 So that's unfortunate.

00:48:30.500 But the ice is on their way.

00:48:32.860 No, but jokes aside, I do like 1950s kitchens, and I want to bring this up.

00:48:37.380 So free trade, right?

00:48:38.180 What do we define by that?

00:48:39.100 I think we're in an era where a lot of terms were defined to meet a culture where it was at, and now they've been abused.

00:48:47.900 A good example, I want to juxtapose this.

00:48:50.300 We're talking about immigration with birthright citizenship, right?

00:48:53.100 We know Trump created this block on birthright citizenship, and people start accusing him as being racist.

00:48:59.240 This idea that if you are both illegal parents, and you come to this country, and you have a kid on this solid ground in our borders, that your child can now be an American citizen.

00:49:10.520 But wait, there's more.

00:49:12.160 The executive order also says if you are a temporary visitor of legal status, you are still not being granted birthright citizenship.

00:49:17.240 Correct, correct.

00:49:18.320 And look, and I look at that, and people might not understand this.

00:49:20.680 I set out to explain this on the show.

00:49:21.840 Someone asked me if I would.

00:49:23.080 You know, I had my child in Australia.

00:49:25.940 I'm an American citizen.

00:49:27.380 It was extremely hard to get my child American citizenship.

00:49:30.360 People don't know that, actually.

00:49:31.080 If you have your child overseas, it's not easy to get them over.

00:49:33.040 It was like a three-month process, multiple thousands of dollars.

00:49:35.620 It was very, very difficult.

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00:50:33.700 Not only that, my wife is a green card permanent resident, and to get her over seven months pregnant with our second child and not get those C-19 jabby-jabbies was also an incredibly difficult thing.

00:50:44.880 Just getting a legal resident back in the country was hard.

00:50:46.600 But also, I saw this process where even as a citizen, just to get my kid's citizenship in America while I was overseas was so complex and so hard.

00:50:55.000 And I go, why is it – I'm an American citizen and it's harder for me to get my kid's citizenship than it is for any legal domestically to get their kid's citizenship.

00:51:02.700 Why are they getting easier access to citizenship for their children than I have to mine around the world?

00:51:07.120 Everything should be easier.

00:51:08.080 At least we should be consistent.

00:51:09.060 It should be easier for you to get for your child.

00:51:11.340 Correct.

00:51:11.660 But I'm saying it's funny because what they said constantly in the interviews at the USCIS was this.

00:51:16.420 It's like, well, I kept finding it ironic with the birthright citizenship.

00:51:19.280 They kept saying, yeah, well, like if one of the parents isn't an American, then your child's not an American.

00:51:23.100 And then I'd be like, well, do I – what other document do you need from – we need an original birth certificate and it's got to be, you know, notarized in the U.S.

00:51:29.640 And I'd be like, how do I get something notarized in the U.S. when I'm – do I have to fly back?

00:51:33.780 And they're like, maybe.

00:51:34.400 And it was this months and multiple trips down to Sydney, you know, from up in Brisbane.

00:51:38.500 And I was laughing because I was sitting there to my wife.

00:51:40.220 I go, you know what's funny?

00:51:41.300 If we had just crossed the border illegally – we kept talking about that.

00:51:43.420 I'm like, we could just cross the border illegally.

00:51:45.320 My kid – you know, give birth to this other kid.

00:51:47.260 It will be a citizen.

00:51:48.520 Our kid won't get deported.

00:51:49.700 He'll be a dreamer.

00:51:50.640 You won't have to get those double jabs while pregnant.

00:51:53.320 And I didn't really do anything illegal because the last time I crossed the border illegally was on January 6, 2021.

00:51:58.220 And guess what?

00:51:58.780 We're still fine.

00:51:59.960 So –

00:52:00.180 So it's interesting though that –

00:52:01.580 But I meant that.

00:52:02.220 But I just want to end on this.

00:52:03.980 Saying obviously the point is we are having discussions today of like what does birthright citizenship mean?

00:52:09.240 And was it really designed to have this abuse where you have an open border and people can just anchor baby?

00:52:13.800 Right.

00:52:14.280 But same with free trade.

00:52:15.520 It's like when – what is free trade?

00:52:17.460 So like if we are – if me and Tim have Pokemon cards and we're both friends and I know we have a high trust society between us and I have my cards out and he's not going to steal my holographic Charizard.

00:52:27.400 He's been looking at it.

00:52:28.340 He wants it but he's not going to steal it because he's an upstanding gentleman and he has at least $40 or more in his bank account.

00:52:32.700 So that being said, we decide, hey, you know, I'm going to close my eyes.

00:52:35.880 You pick a card.

00:52:36.500 I'll close my eyes.

00:52:37.300 I'll pick a card on yours.

00:52:38.420 It'll be random.

00:52:39.100 And then we can't stop the trade.

00:52:40.820 That's like free trade.

00:52:41.600 It's blind.

00:52:42.560 There's open for corruption.

00:52:43.780 But it works because we trust each other.

00:52:45.840 We know each other.

00:52:46.640 We both are – he's in a way higher income bracket than me but we're in high income brackets and so there's some sort of connection.

00:52:52.520 But if you brought me that, you know, Walmart Haitian, you know, guy who just came here and we're trading cards and he knows that my Charizard is worth $400, I'm really not going to trust to close my eyes and do a trade because, look, I have reasons to doubt that this guy has my best interest in mind.

00:53:07.760 I have reasons to doubt not because he's black, not because he's Haitian, not because he has a low IQ but simply because all those ideas combined plus I don't know him.

00:53:15.240 We don't share a culture.

00:53:16.340 This changes our trade agreement and we're going to have to set new standards, new rules, and new ideas.

00:53:20.120 So free trade could work, let's say, even now.

00:53:22.540 It's like, well, we have free trade with Canada.

00:53:23.840 Well, look at Canada now.

00:53:25.080 Canada isn't really our ally.

00:53:26.640 They have a $1.2 trillion trade deficit.

00:53:28.500 They're taking advantage of us.

00:53:29.500 They're using us as a surrogate state.

00:53:31.120 We can't really have free trade with Canada.

00:53:32.580 We have to pull that back.

00:53:33.620 Having a trade deficit with them doesn't mean they're taking advantage of us.

00:53:36.460 Oh, they're taking advantage of us.

00:53:37.280 I have a trade deficit with my grocery store.

00:53:39.160 They're not taking advantage of me.

00:53:39.860 No, no, no.

00:53:40.960 That is a buying and selling.

00:53:42.280 That is a transaction.

00:53:43.860 They're not – their government itself is putting it up so that they are keeping their domestic production at their price.

00:53:50.120 Priority while then making sure that they're able to sell a lot of their exports to us will not bring –

00:53:54.640 Which benefits us enormously.

00:53:55.640 No, no.

00:53:56.480 Some, but not all.

00:53:57.920 I'm saying this idea of free trade, we are being abused in the United States hands down.

00:54:03.640 Okay?

00:54:04.200 Hands down.

00:54:04.760 We are being – again, the R word.

00:54:07.100 Well, how does it benefit us?

00:54:08.780 That's what I want to know.

00:54:09.840 Why does it benefit having a $1.2 trillion trade deficit with Canada?

00:54:13.400 Considering, in fact, their economy is only a few trillion dollars.

00:54:15.060 They're getting like 20, 30 percent of their entire revenue just from trade.

00:54:17.940 How does this trade with Canada benefit us?

00:54:20.020 Because so many things that we buy and sell and rely on, you think of lumber coming from Canada.

00:54:26.100 You think of all the other imports that come into everything from housing to road construction to apparel to foods.

00:54:33.740 All these things come in from Canada because they're able to be produced more affordably there.

00:54:39.320 And then Americans enjoy those goods and services at lower prices than they would.

00:54:43.980 What would happen if Canada just said like, hey, we're cutting off access to the oil and the lumber?

00:54:48.660 Both countries would suffer.

00:54:50.860 So how would we suffer?

00:54:52.160 Free trade benefits both countries.

00:54:53.660 How would the U.S. suffer from that?

00:54:55.160 We would have to get it from somewhere that's more expensive or less efficient.

00:54:59.440 So let's say, I don't know, like a war broke out and then like trade just shuttered and there's no shipping lanes because they're under attack.

00:55:06.260 What would the U.S. do to like, I don't know, build houses and roads and get fuel?

00:55:10.660 A war broke out between the U.S. and Canada?

00:55:12.560 No, in general.

00:55:13.540 Shutting down trade lines because cargo ships are shut down.

00:55:16.420 From the U.S. to Canada?

00:55:17.820 The cargo ships?

00:55:18.520 We'd lose control of...

00:55:19.520 No, I'm giving you a hypothetical to say how would the U.S. survive not being able to produce these things?

00:55:23.900 It'd be terrible.

00:55:24.500 It would have economic devastation for Americans.

00:55:27.600 Should the U.S. then not have a robust culture of self-reliance and the ability to produce these things at home?

00:55:33.120 So should we just be completely kind of produce everything ourselves no matter how inefficient and costly it is?

00:55:38.780 Why is it inefficient?

00:55:39.200 We should try to afford...

00:55:40.020 Why is it inefficient?

00:55:40.780 Because the whole reason it's being done somewhere else is because it can be done more efficiently there.

00:55:44.560 No, that's not true.

00:55:44.860 That is literally the reason.

00:55:45.760 If they could make it cheaper and more efficiently here, they would because it costs money to ship things.

00:55:49.020 Inefficient is an argument.

00:55:50.060 You need to explain.

00:55:51.040 See, inefficient, these are buzzwords that don't actually describe something.

00:55:53.440 It has a literal technical economic meaning.

00:55:55.820 The reason that something is being brought in or purchased from overseas is because it can be made more affordably there.

00:56:04.460 Oh, that's a different word.

00:56:05.420 No, it's not.

00:56:06.160 In economics, that's literally the same thing.

00:56:08.200 So slave labor is more efficient in China.

00:56:10.140 Slave labor is immoral.

00:56:11.420 Hell yeah.

00:56:12.120 But we buy it.

00:56:13.320 That's what free trade gets us.

00:56:14.920 China is a different situation than most of our free trade.

00:56:18.260 Insert Southeast Asian country that they're working for pennies on the dollar.

00:56:20.840 That is not the same thing as slave labor.

00:56:22.660 Low wages and slaves are very different.

00:56:24.660 Hold on.

00:56:26.000 Tell the Foxconn employees who are marching off the rooftop in mass suicide they weren't slaves.

00:56:30.400 Where?

00:56:31.160 At Foxconn in China.

00:56:33.120 Put the catching nets.

00:56:34.060 They put catching nets because they were in mass lining up and walking off to commit mass suicide.

00:56:38.660 Tell me that's not slave.

00:56:39.560 I don't know about it.

00:56:41.020 Free trade because we have no regulations over there and Apple and these other computer manufacturers says we don't care if the employees are 16 people jammed in a 10 by 10 room to the point they can't quit.

00:56:51.380 So they go up on top of the building, line up, and just walk off to die.

00:56:54.560 That's free trade.

00:56:55.400 So then we should restrict trade with slave labor but not make everything in America.

00:57:00.460 So you're saying that we should do trade with those who have the same moral values as us?

00:57:04.440 Well, not the same moral values as us.

00:57:06.440 Close enough.

00:57:07.080 Close enough.

00:57:07.360 But we should – there should – obviously, I don't think anybody –

00:57:09.060 That's not free trade.

00:57:10.260 When we talk about free trade versus protectionism, it's a spectrum.

00:57:13.860 And even the most diehard economists who advocate for free trade have always acknowledged there are certain narrow sub-exceptions where some protection can be appropriate.

00:57:22.500 So the things that I am upset about right now, you agree, are actually bad?

00:57:26.200 Well, I don't think I agree about the scope of some of the things you're saying, no.

00:57:29.340 Or that free trade is all bad.

00:57:31.440 Obviously, I think slave labor is bad, yes.

00:57:33.260 You think it is efficient that –

00:57:35.300 Many things can be made elsewhere in the world much more efficiently than in America, yes.

00:57:39.020 It is efficient to have a low-skilled, low-wage worker in a foreign country do the job instead of an American.

00:57:44.280 Yes.

00:57:45.000 And so what happens in 10 years when the industry no longer exists in America?

00:57:48.880 You don't need it.

00:57:51.200 Not every industry has to exist in America.

00:57:53.680 So what happened during COVID when, like, we didn't have vitamin C or PPE?

00:57:56.600 Well, that's the problem with allowing global supply chains to be shut down.

00:58:00.600 Governments across the world shut down supply chains and economies.

00:58:04.360 That was the problem.

00:58:05.180 And that will happen.

00:58:05.660 Yeah.

00:58:06.380 It shouldn't happen.

00:58:07.240 But we live in a world sometimes you've got to lock your door.

00:58:09.380 So let me ask you this.

00:58:10.700 Sometimes you can't go to the grocery store.

00:58:12.060 Why?

00:58:12.720 Should we have emergency food at our houses?

00:58:14.140 The answer is yes, because sometimes there's a road impasse.

00:58:17.280 Yes, and that's why there are –

00:58:18.500 Give the plug.

00:58:18.760 Give the plug.

00:58:19.240 I don't know.

00:58:19.540 You have a –

00:58:20.740 We rarely do.

00:58:22.320 Sometimes you need it, and you can get it now.

00:58:23.780 Promo code Tim Pool.

00:58:25.640 I don't know.

00:58:26.000 I have some, by the way.

00:58:26.760 I do have some.

00:58:27.540 He does make a point.

00:58:28.300 All I wanted to say real fast with a free trade, I kind of want to know something from

00:58:30.180 you.

00:58:30.360 You're about to explain something.

00:58:31.780 But I feel like, again, what I was saying about redefining terms is I think regardless

00:58:37.120 of what free trade has been defined as, I would like to know something from you directly.

00:58:40.920 I want to know Tim, and I want to know Phil too.

00:58:43.220 Right?

00:58:43.360 So when we're talking about free trade, I do think that this is a very, very important

00:58:46.720 topic because this does fuel a lot of the other sub-arguments from the H-1B, H-1As, right?

00:58:52.700 Whether you're talking about the medical field or other high-skilled with the B.

00:58:55.820 This does talk about student visas, the idea of bringing in potentially new engineers and

00:59:00.800 people who are pedigreed into your economy.

00:59:02.920 This does talk about temporary field workers.

00:59:06.380 And Donald Trump, who will clean your toilet, Donald Trump, if the Mexicans aren't here?

00:59:10.040 Exactly.

00:59:10.800 You never answered that one, buddy.

00:59:12.480 I think this does answer a lot of questions.

00:59:14.720 To what extent do we allow trade to be free in terms of unrestricted?

00:59:20.460 And is free trade, how important is that to the ethos of our nation, right?

00:59:24.840 How important is having a big economy?

00:59:26.480 Well, that's what I want to know because I think it would matter, right?

00:59:28.660 Because to some people, it's like you would rather be like Switzerland with a smaller

00:59:31.780 economy, smaller military, more internalized, more nativist protection, keep your culture,

00:59:37.240 everybody's armed, and you want to keep the homogeneity of your ethnic native population.

00:59:42.700 I don't care at all about the homogeneity of our ethnic population.

00:59:46.700 Well, I wouldn't expect that you would, but I'm saying like obviously Switzerland does,

00:59:50.100 which is why they haven't even particularly got involved in the other wars.

00:59:53.140 They've decided to hold the money and take a different strategy than having a large army.

00:59:56.500 They're also impenetrable, unlike most girls in 2025.

00:59:59.320 But the thing is that Switzerland is where it's at.

01:00:02.820 So that's just taking the U.S.

01:00:04.000 We are the global leader.

01:00:05.400 We are the ultimate person.

01:00:07.600 What is free trade to you and what is the importance of it?

01:00:10.860 Because that's where we're not lining up.

01:00:13.400 Because you haven't said the homogeneity.

01:00:14.880 It's like I won't get into my idea.

01:00:16.240 You know where I stand on this.

01:00:17.180 It's like keeping the ethnic makeup of America, what it is, and not letting white replacement

01:00:22.180 happen is huge.

01:00:23.700 And this free trade idea is fueling that.

01:00:25.360 Let's talk about that.

01:00:25.800 I want to hear you.

01:00:26.340 But what is this?

01:00:27.460 I just want to know how important is free trade to you and what factors that play in

01:00:31.380 the identity of our country?

01:00:32.400 Because I don't.

01:00:33.100 It's extremely important because part of the identity of our country is that we're a global

01:00:37.040 economic superpower, that we're one of the wealthiest nations, the wealthiest, large

01:00:40.960 and advanced nation in the globe.

01:00:42.360 And we've gotten there in part because of free trade.

01:00:45.980 But let's talk about what you just said, because I think all of these issues, trade, immigration,

01:00:51.460 culture.

01:00:51.760 I will say this, culture is the strongest argument against free trade.

01:00:55.500 There are no good economic arguments against free trade.

01:00:58.840 There are some narrow national security arguments against free trade in certain areas.

01:01:03.860 And then there is a cultural problem when it comes to free immigration.

01:01:07.960 I'm sorry, more so than free trade.

01:01:10.040 But the reason that you mentioned Dearborn, Michigan, which I want to go back to, Tim, that's

01:01:14.600 a problem with a specific culture, frankly, Islamic cultures, that I don't think we should

01:01:21.500 have more mass Muslim immigration into the United States.

01:01:24.860 But I do think we should have far more hardworking, industrious people from India, from South America

01:01:30.900 who want to come here and work hard and contribute and love America.

01:01:34.340 This is a pressure system where we are bringing in people with very different cultural values.

01:01:39.840 And that's going to fundamentally alter the unquantifiable things of this country that we

01:01:44.440 want to pass on to the next generations.

01:01:46.440 Unless they assimilate.

01:01:47.360 And a lot of these immigration groups do assimilate very well.

01:01:50.560 Dude, show me where Indians are not living around each other and celebrating Dwali.

01:01:54.800 And like, I'm telling you, I'm from Frisco, Texas.

01:01:57.140 That was terrible.

01:01:57.980 The idea that the United States does anything to encourage assimilation in 2025 is absolutely

01:02:06.420 ridiculous.

01:02:07.140 By the second or third generation, immigrants absolutely assimilate in America.

01:02:12.000 No, they don't assimilate to become American by the second or third generation.

01:02:18.060 But there are policies that the United States could have that would encourage assimilation,

01:02:25.280 but the United States chooses not to have those policies.

01:02:28.920 Now, I do think I'm definitely less nationalist than Elijah Woodby.

01:02:35.740 You're an anti-communist.

01:02:37.100 You said that.

01:02:37.820 What?

01:02:38.240 You said you're an anti-communist or you're a fascist.

01:02:41.160 I am not a fascist.

01:02:43.180 But isn't that what that is?

01:02:44.700 No, it's not.

01:02:45.880 Because liberalism is also anti-communist.

01:02:47.580 That shocked me when you said that.

01:02:48.580 I was like, this guy's a fascist.

01:02:50.200 No, I'm not a fascist.

01:02:50.860 I was like, Elon, you feeling proud of your point, Elon?

01:02:52.820 No, I'm not a fascist.

01:02:53.540 The point is, now you're making me lose my train of thought.

01:02:59.280 Sorry, sorry.

01:02:59.860 The idea that the United States encourages assimilation, that is fallacious nowadays.

01:03:06.280 The United States does not encourage assimilation.

01:03:08.720 I do think that there are things the government could do.

01:03:11.660 One of them would be simply just having the United States say, look, in America we speak English,

01:03:16.780 and the government doesn't use any forms that are in any other language aside from English.

01:03:21.000 Because if you don't have a common language, you certainly aren't going to be able to have a common ideology.

01:03:25.440 I do think that the race is less important than the ideology.

01:03:29.460 If you want to go ahead and say you come from a communist country and you're not a communist, come on in.

01:03:35.400 But if you are a communist, we should say, no, you can't come into the United States.

01:03:38.420 If you have an ideology that is at odds with the United States, we should absolutely kick people or reject people based on that.

01:03:44.780 Should we suspend trade with any country that has something like this happen?

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01:04:55.900 The anti-suicide nuts.

01:04:57.400 Is this okay for free...

01:04:58.880 I mean, graph go up?

01:04:59.960 I remember this happening.

01:05:00.700 Hang on, hang on.

01:05:01.160 Let me answer this question.

01:05:02.220 So you just showed one terrible story from a country with billions of people

01:05:08.280 and asked me if we should shut down trade with a whole country based on one anecdotal story from 2010 about one company in horrific conditions.

01:05:17.380 By that logic...

01:05:18.220 Let's pause real quick.

01:05:18.440 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:05:19.860 I'm going to talk over you if you try to reframe the argument.

01:05:23.000 I said, from this story, should we have shut down trade with China over, at this time, this specific incident occurring?

01:05:31.340 With a whole country.

01:05:32.440 Yes.

01:05:32.840 Over one company.

01:05:33.500 It's a simple yes or no question.

01:05:34.960 No, we shouldn't.

01:05:35.740 Okay.

01:05:36.400 So I believe that there is a...

01:05:38.500 Once again, we are now at the utilitarian versus the deontological moral philosophy of...

01:05:43.060 I think we as a country, if we are looking at another country, driving people to mass suicide, in any degree, we have to stop and say,

01:05:51.020 you are putting our entire trade agreements at risk because of the squalor conditions you have put these people in that's resulting in mass suicide.

01:05:59.080 If but one person is living as a slave, I have a problem with that and don't see why graphs go up, why we should make money in any way off of a foreign country that is doing something like this.

01:06:09.040 So one person living as a slave in a country of billions of people, what you just said, we should write off trade with the whole country.

01:06:16.180 It's really simple, actually.

01:06:17.700 When Donald Trump calls him on the phone and says, you will right now get that man freed and declare it.

01:06:24.340 Otherwise, we will put a 30% tariff on all your goods.

01:06:26.880 Guess what that country does?

01:06:27.840 It frees that slave.

01:06:29.840 You are saying you accept a certain degree of mass suicide so that your graph go up.

01:06:34.900 That is not what I'm saying.

01:06:35.960 So you think we should continue trade with countries?

01:06:38.080 Maybe we should sanction trade with Foxconn.

01:06:39.580 Maybe we should restrict trade in that industry.

01:06:42.060 Maybe that specific region of China you should spend.

01:06:44.760 It's horrible.

01:06:45.500 It's evil.

01:06:45.920 China's evil.

01:06:46.740 I don't know what you're trying to make me say about.

01:06:48.180 We should not do trade.

01:06:49.320 With anything with China.

01:06:50.420 Okay.

01:06:50.760 You explain that to Americans.

01:06:52.300 When every single thing they rely on and buy gets more expensive after years of inflation under Biden.

01:06:57.900 I will.

01:06:58.180 You come in.

01:06:58.720 I will.

01:06:58.900 MAGA comes in and says, all right, you know what?

01:07:00.860 You guys elected us because everything's so unaffordable.

01:07:03.380 Fuck it.

01:07:03.980 I will stand on top of a mountain.

01:07:05.480 This goes up.

01:07:06.040 I will stand on top of a mountain and say, and directly into the eyes.

01:07:08.880 I will do it right now.

01:07:09.960 To every voter.

01:07:11.000 I will look into the eyes of every voter right now and say, Brad is evil and accepts human sacrifice so that you can have a cheap iPhone.

01:07:18.340 And if you're willing to buy a cheap iPhone knowing that people are committing mass suicide, you stand along with them.

01:07:23.320 So I'm evil because I disagree with you about trade policy?

01:07:25.880 Because you think there's an acceptable degree of mass suicide and concentration camps so that your economy can improve.

01:07:31.840 I don't think that.

01:07:33.100 You're shadowboxing with a caricature.

01:07:35.980 Should we threaten to trade with China over the Uyghur concentration camps, the forced abortions of the Uyghur Muslim Chinese?

01:07:44.160 Or should we just say, well, you know, we're doing business with them?

01:07:47.080 The world is a terrible place.

01:07:48.580 If we were going to cut off trade with every country that's violating human rights in different ways, we couldn't trade with many countries.

01:07:55.160 And most countries couldn't trade with us.

01:07:56.740 That's right.

01:07:57.260 So they want the American dream.

01:07:59.220 And if they want our business, they better stop raping Uyghur Muslim women and then force them to get abortions.

01:08:03.720 Do you think the whole world is going to conform to an upstanding moral citizenship that we have put on them?

01:08:10.000 I don't know.

01:08:11.160 I can see clearly that you have no moral standards.

01:08:14.320 I do have moral standards.

01:08:15.500 Yeah, that a certain amount of rape of Uyghur Muslims and forced abortion is acceptable so that our economy can trade.

01:08:20.720 No, I don't think that's acceptable.

01:08:22.220 And why aren't we putting pressure on China to stop it?

01:08:24.780 Are we going to put pressure on every country that does something wrong?

01:08:28.220 Yes, we are.

01:08:28.240 Does China do business with us?

01:08:29.440 Trying to cut off our economy.

01:08:30.140 Does China buy from us?

01:08:31.040 We also buy from them.

01:08:32.180 Does China buy from us, yes or no?

01:08:33.580 And so they need things from us, right?

01:08:35.800 And so we have leverage in a negotiation to say, stop.

01:08:39.080 They are raping Uyghur Muslim women in China and then forcing them to get abortions.

01:08:43.440 That is currently going on.

01:08:45.000 It's terrible.

01:08:45.640 It's evil.

01:08:45.840 Absolutely.

01:08:46.380 So how about Donald Trump says, if we find out that you continue this process, we are going to put a 30% tariff on all goods and stop selling to you.

01:08:53.660 And what happens when they don't stop?

01:08:55.380 Then we shut down trade.

01:08:56.660 We make Americans impoverished to protest their morality.

01:09:00.600 You know what?

01:09:00.860 You're right.

01:09:01.160 I guess it's okay that they're being raped because some people get cheap goods.

01:09:03.920 Honestly, if I didn't get an action button on my new iPhone 16, I might have actually died.

01:09:08.060 So you make a good point.

01:09:09.580 That's my level of poverty would have increased.

01:09:12.800 Now, what we're getting, by the way, is we're getting a super cheapening of our culture.

01:09:16.060 And I think what matters to me the most, which might be the greatest point of contention here, is that when you said about free trade, about how important it is, to me, free trade is one of the least of our value sets.

01:09:28.880 The core identity is why are we trading in the first place?

01:09:31.460 We're trading in the first place to guarantee the success of our current lives, our offspring, and future generations.

01:09:38.520 We are to build a strong nation state, right?

01:09:41.420 Right now, we are operating in the West like we are on Tatooine in America.

01:09:46.220 The world is just a bunch of planets, and everyone has a trading outpost.

01:09:50.000 And you go there, and there's aliens of all shapes and sizes, and somehow there's some shadow government, you know, with the stormtroopers and the empire sort of managing it all.

01:09:57.700 In reality, that's not how things work.

01:09:59.900 That is, our founding fathers created this country to literally, to be a European nation that was free from tyranny, that was free from totalitarian overreach from the crown, that they would have representation.

01:10:12.180 And that it would, like from the days, they said, of Moses, the days of Noah, this would be like a rebirth, and a new nation would form, and a new people of European descent.

01:10:20.760 Over time, you know, legally, again, my personal opinions aside, after wars were fought, like in 1870, people came together and said, you know, maybe seeing, you know, black people as three-fifths of value, you know, may align with the founding fathers, but we're going to redefine that.

01:10:35.580 We're going to give them, you know, their ability to vote and to have full legal citizenship.

01:10:38.920 Hold on. The South argued it would be really bad for their economy if they stopped slavery.

01:10:42.380 This is what I'm trying to say, is that a lot of this stuff was an economic battle to begin with, that's exactly where I was going, was that there was an economic –

01:10:49.880 That's actually not true. Slavery hurt the American economy.

01:10:51.940 There was an economic battle here. Look, there was an economic battle here, and at some point, whether you're in the comments and you're a racist and you hate that slavery ended, or you're a radical progressive and that's your favorite time in history, I don't care where you fall on the political spectrum.

01:11:05.360 The point was there was an economic disagreement, and that economic disagreement in some ways was about the identity of specific regions.

01:11:12.800 That did spark a war. I'm not going down Civil War history chat. We're not doing this. I'm just saying this did.

01:11:18.680 And then there was a redefinition of what? Is there an economic – was there an immediate economic benefit per se, you might argue, of making slaves citizens or at least giving them rights?

01:11:28.020 Maybe. But the whole – well, not for everyone. The whole point was that there was a moral direction decided by a nation to go outside of just purely economics.

01:11:38.320 It was like the ethos of who we are. And so that was added. That being said, the original founders' principles of what they wanted this country to be didn't change.

01:11:47.320 And I think people don't realize that just because, like, for instance, if I became a Roman citizen, which even Paul in the Bible, I believe he did, he became a citizen, he doesn't become Latin.

01:11:55.720 He doesn't become what we'd call modern-day Italian. He doesn't become a Roman. He's still a Jew, right?

01:12:00.380 And that's what he says. Like, I'm a citizen, but at the same time, I'm still a Jew like you, but I also am a citizen.

01:12:05.420 Our country, from the original founding of being a European colony, having this ethos, securing our offspring, creating this free state, realized along the way or at least came together and decided they got some things wrong about the value of other races, human life, and things in our country.

01:12:18.660 And we've grafted people in legally, like, right there, 1870. Fast forward this and we realize, you know what?

01:12:23.820 But actually, besides our benevolence, I always said, I guess you used the R word, so I will too, the greatest threat against right now Protestant Christian Americanism is that people have raped our benevolence.

01:12:33.520 Is that, you know, people went, okay, well, we shouldn't be treating black people like they're not human.

01:12:36.520 We should give them citizenship, and we'll even fight to make sure they have rights.

01:12:39.940 And at the same time in this, people are like, okay, so that means illegals can come over at open border and have anchor babies.

01:12:44.560 We got to a point now where it's so corrupt and so distrusted that we're losing our identity of who we are, okay?

01:12:49.920 We haven't even dealt with the racial tensions between whites and black people substantially in a way that's even made progress, okay?

01:12:56.300 A lot of black people I know hate white people.

01:12:58.040 A lot of white people do not really like black people, and they have their reasons.

01:13:01.000 We have systemic issues in our nation that need to be solved, and now we're importing Indians?

01:13:06.120 And Vivek is supposed to be the example when he's so out of touch with our culture and what we are and what we want.

01:13:10.720 Not only that, but he scammed his entire base with his pump-and-dump pharma scam.

01:13:15.140 I mean, you know, Indian and scammers, I'm not going to make a comment there.

01:13:17.560 But look, this guy doesn't get it.

01:13:19.160 It doesn't mean all Indians don't get it.

01:13:20.240 I know many Indians who do.

01:13:21.620 It doesn't mean all Indians are bad.

01:13:23.020 But even the Indians that were here in small numbers are mad about the current immigration policies,

01:13:27.140 are mad about what was going on because they came here because they wanted to assimilate into Western culture.

01:13:31.640 And what is Western?

01:13:32.180 It's European.

01:13:33.020 It's white society.

01:13:34.020 We've let other people in.

01:13:35.220 But when we're not white, when we're not European, we aren't the West.

01:13:38.040 We're just the East.

01:13:38.540 No, I'm sorry.

01:13:39.020 We are the East.

01:13:39.560 American culture is not about whiteness or preserving whiteness.

01:13:42.900 It was created by white people, the values of European white people, and other people like that.

01:13:48.400 Why are you attaching values to people's skin color?

01:13:51.820 Because it's literally their values.

01:13:53.340 So literally, it's European Enlightenment ideas.

01:13:54.340 Anyone can hold values or not hold values.

01:13:56.180 They can, but that's why they moved here.

01:13:58.300 You're going to tell me that the original people didn't move here.

01:14:00.380 He's saying that other races have in-group preference.

01:14:02.820 Yeah, and people have come here and assimilated.

01:14:04.640 But right now what we're having is we're not having very strict immigration from, let's say, an Asian country or an African country where you're like,

01:14:10.960 okay, this person obviously may have helped us in a war.

01:14:13.620 They have given us intelligence.

01:14:14.640 They care about our culture.

01:14:15.460 They've lived in the embassy.

01:14:16.880 They can come here.

01:14:17.600 And I would say there has always been a benevolence of Americans that is not racist.

01:14:22.040 You're like, everyone knows it doesn't matter what skin color you are, what race you are, who is just an American.

01:14:26.840 You've adopted and assimilated into the culture.

01:14:29.060 The problem is that that's when we defined a culture.

01:14:31.540 We had a culture.

01:14:32.640 People wanted to be a part of that.

01:14:33.700 If I like France, what am I saying?

01:14:35.200 Do I want to go to France so that I can become like the black guys from North Africa selling trinkets in front of the Eiffel Tower?

01:14:42.620 No, you know what I mean.

01:14:43.860 I mean I want to – I like French culture.

01:14:45.200 Like white European, what they created, their culture.

01:14:47.960 We can't play stupid here.

01:14:49.500 That's what I mean.

01:14:50.980 The actual issue is that white Americans tend to have an out-group preference, but every other race in the world has an in-group preference.

01:14:59.940 That's forced.

01:15:00.840 Why do you say that?

01:15:01.460 We're shamed into that.

01:15:01.760 Because the scientific study shows that.

01:15:03.060 You think white people dislike white people and prefer other races?

01:15:06.920 This is a long-known study.

01:15:08.540 In the United States –

01:15:09.640 I find that hard to believe, but I'll take your work for you.

01:15:12.740 Yeah, it's true.

01:15:13.540 It's true.

01:15:14.040 I'll just conclude this very simply because I'm not actually disagreeing with everything you're saying.

01:15:17.960 What I'm saying is that what's happening now is that we don't have – assimilation is not only not common, it's also not normal.

01:15:24.260 Here's Peter Licari, PhD, but I can keep going.

01:15:27.840 Yeah, so it's like – but this is a trained idea.

01:15:29.900 And I mean it's actual suicidal empathy.

01:15:32.280 What it is is that when we lose our core ethos, our identity, when you go to Brampton in Canada – I don't know if you've been.

01:15:36.600 There's another one.

01:15:37.120 It's insane.

01:15:38.240 It's not Canada anymore.

01:15:39.740 It is literally India.

01:15:40.720 It's Hindustan.

01:15:41.740 And I just want to remind people in this that it is –

01:15:44.880 Well, that's a white liberal.

01:15:46.220 People are against colonization.

01:15:47.720 But you combine it with non-white, non-liberal white, you'll still get a net out-group preference.

01:15:52.000 Whites like colonization as long as it's in their own country and it's of their own cities.

01:15:55.660 I always love it.

01:15:56.120 Like, you know, I hate colonizers.

01:15:58.560 Okay, well then why don't we kick out all these non-white people and they'll go, whoa, whoa, whoa, you racist.

01:16:02.220 So the issue largely, of course, that we recognize is there's a cultural problem.

01:16:06.500 It's not a racial issue.

01:16:07.840 But there is –

01:16:08.180 Culture and race are linked to an extent though.

01:16:10.520 I disagree.

01:16:11.300 Yeah, I disagree.

01:16:12.320 You don't think French culture is linked to the French people?

01:16:14.700 Like there is a genetic component of their disposition, the way that they behave, the way that they are.

01:16:19.560 You don't go to a black city and see that black people and white people can get along, that we can be friends.

01:16:24.140 But there is a distinct difference by even just their athleticism or the way they express themselves or you don't see any connection.

01:16:30.240 Let me try and answer that.

01:16:31.120 So, of course, there's like if you go to Sweden, everyone's tall.

01:16:35.020 And if you go to Thailand, I've made the point everyone's short.

01:16:36.860 Those things do play a role in culture to a degree.

01:16:39.680 However, if a Swedish person is born and raised in the United States in an American cultural family, they will largely just be American culture.

01:16:45.920 The same is true for a kid who is –

01:16:47.780 Because he's a European.

01:16:48.520 No, it's true for somebody of African descent.

01:16:50.440 I'm part Asian and I've got a mixed-race parent and I've got a full Korean grandmother.

01:16:54.760 That's kind of a bad example because Koreans do –

01:16:57.260 No, because Koreans do –

01:16:59.180 We have an integrative society too as well.

01:17:00.540 The point is there's a bit of nature in nurture, but largely nurture takes the forefront.

01:17:05.140 The issue that we have in this country is that while we may recognize that as an American country, there can be someone who I grew up with who's black, Asian, Mexican or otherwise, and they love Christmas and they love baseball.

01:17:15.880 We do the same things.

01:17:16.680 We're good friends and don't you dare insult my friend over the way they look.

01:17:19.800 The problem is white Americans have a net out-group preference, meaning they tend not to like white people, but every other race has a net in-group preference, and that's going to create racial animosity to an extreme degree.

01:17:31.840 There's no connection.

01:17:32.680 Where's a black area that you want to live?

01:17:34.780 In any country?

01:17:35.520 In-group preference?

01:17:36.040 In any continent.

01:17:37.120 I'd park in Chicago where they're all rich.

01:17:39.020 Okay.

01:17:39.580 You were talking about a very small little neighborhood in a city.

01:17:42.480 I'm talking about, but the majority black areas at the greater region of Southside Chicago, we could talk about from every country, meaning there is an understanding that we've already seen it with Sierra Leone.

01:17:50.800 You can't just take, or Haiti, right?

01:17:52.880 This is a good example.

01:17:53.620 Haiti, Sierra Leone.

01:17:54.580 You can't just take people who fundamentally value different things, like Africans who look to ancestors in the past, where Protestants were to hope in the future.

01:18:01.320 No, no, no, but you're talking about cultural regions.

01:18:02.240 I know, but I'm saying you can't just throw on, like we sell Sierra Leone, you can't just throw on Liberia and these other places that are now just hotbeds of slavery.

01:18:11.280 I think Liberia is the best example of just giving them an American constitution, a parliament.

01:18:15.460 It doesn't work because you're—

01:18:16.680 You can't put a culture on top of a culture.

01:18:18.920 Correct.

01:18:19.420 And that's what I'm saying.

01:18:20.220 It's not a racial issue.

01:18:20.640 It doesn't mean that races are less valuable.

01:18:22.560 That's why it's not racist.

01:18:23.440 I'm not saying that other races don't matter.

01:18:25.120 I'm saying I could go and look at what's going on in India, and I can see that, you know what, by the policies they're putting in place,

01:18:30.820 and the fight back against the government.

01:18:32.600 The government's trying to put hygiene policies in place for street vendors, and there's massive backlash.

01:18:36.740 If people don't know about this, after all those viral videos on TikTok, it's been very bad for the tourism sector in India.

01:18:41.680 That's not a race issue.

01:18:42.660 No, no, no, but here's the deal.

01:18:44.740 There is multiple things involved in this.

01:18:46.640 It can also be religion, because I know the Pakistanis don't like them because they're unhygienic.

01:18:50.100 So, you know, there's not a lot of dissimilarity and genetic code between the Pakistanis and the Indians.

01:18:54.220 Obviously, it's just a line made up by the British Empire.

01:18:57.140 But my point of what I'm saying is that there still is a dispensation of these people to where, you know, I'm going to say this in the Bible.

01:19:04.800 We can take biblical reference because this is what it is.

01:19:07.620 Like when you have Hagar and you have Abram and you go down and you create this, you know, you have the Jewish people coming from like Sarai and going down here.

01:19:14.440 And then you have the Hagar, the Arabs, right, coming down from this side.

01:19:17.560 And they both think that God's their promise.

01:19:19.160 That's why we have the war going on in Israel and Palestine.

01:19:21.580 I won't talk about that at all.

01:19:23.000 My point is, is that they're both Semites.

01:19:25.580 They both come from the same father, but they are very different.

01:19:28.980 I would say that in general, Jewish people are much more sedated.

01:19:32.480 Go look at a Jewish protest and a pro-Palestinian Arab protest.

01:19:36.880 Very different.

01:19:37.420 Go look at Israel.

01:19:38.320 Go look at an average Arab country that doesn't have, you know, isn't a proletariat elite class taking oil money from the U.S.

01:19:44.160 They have different expression, you know, different personality types.

01:19:49.420 And they have what?

01:19:50.340 Just a half bit different genetics at the very top.

01:19:52.860 On top of that, when I look at this, they're Semitic.

01:19:56.400 They live in the same region, same climate, everything.

01:19:58.300 They're very different.

01:19:59.300 And their values and everything.

01:20:00.440 And it can only be linked directly back to what?

01:20:03.000 What they value.

01:20:03.820 What they value is linked back to who they are.

01:20:05.200 And who they are is their identity.

01:20:06.240 It's linked to genetics.

01:20:07.640 It's like they know that.

01:20:08.760 You just argued against yourself.

01:20:09.460 No, they know.

01:20:09.900 But they know that themselves.

01:20:10.880 They have a genetic.

01:20:11.880 Their main difference is genetic, right?

01:20:13.720 They both think they have their, they both think they have promised the land.

01:20:16.440 They both think that they have the blessing from Abraham.

01:20:18.460 They both think they're in that position.

01:20:20.080 So it's not genetic.

01:20:21.380 No, they have a half genetic difference.

01:20:22.900 Because God said what to Hagar?

01:20:24.200 He said that your descendants, because the promise wasn't supposed to be for you, I will make a people of your people.

01:20:28.980 He said, so he goes, I will make, this is what they believe too.

01:20:31.060 This is billions of people in the world believe.

01:20:32.920 No, no, no, no, no.

01:20:33.760 No, this is not the tangent.

01:20:34.920 Because he said, no, because he said, you're going to be wild like donkeys.

01:20:38.280 We're totally off-train in economics and you're talking about religion in the Bible.

01:20:40.340 No, I'm not, I'm not, I'm talking about genetics here.

01:20:43.160 I'm saying, he said that you will be wild like donkeys, your hands will be against all people, and people will be at war with you.

01:20:48.120 You will be at war with them until the end of time.

01:20:50.000 And what do we see with the Arab people?

01:20:51.760 It is just constant war with the world, constant tension, and there is something about who they are and what happened with them that they have this problem.

01:20:59.700 To this day, it's one of the main issues.

01:21:01.180 It's culture, but he thinks he's a race essentialist, I think.

01:21:04.000 He thinks people are defined in part by their skin color and their genetics.

01:21:07.040 And that determines who they are.

01:21:07.920 Skin color is a phenotypic expression of your genotype, which is just truthful.

01:21:11.840 I'm a biologist.

01:21:12.500 That's literally truth.

01:21:13.600 Can I ask Elijah a question?

01:21:15.560 Yeah.

01:21:16.460 Are black Americans Americans?

01:21:18.600 Yes.

01:21:19.320 Okay.

01:21:19.900 Can you explain what you said the other day where you were suggesting that wasn't the case?

01:21:24.520 Yeah, no.

01:21:24.860 I said that America was made to be a new European race.

01:21:27.760 There was an ethnicity of Americans by our founders, which was a mixed, primarily Anglo-Celtic race.

01:21:33.940 And there was even hard disagreements on whether Irish could be a part of that.

01:21:37.120 There was disagreements whether Germans could be a part of that.

01:21:39.480 And slowly, there was a new European race, like Australians.

01:21:42.460 And you can read with wide Australia policy, our policy.

01:21:45.180 Over time, we realized that, you know what?

01:21:47.020 We do want to remain a European nation, but we have fundamental racial issues.

01:21:50.040 We're not trying to bring over new black people, but we do have black people living here.

01:21:53.480 What do we do with them?

01:21:54.300 Well, it's wrong what we're doing because we're also not just a white country or a European.

01:21:57.640 We're also Christian.

01:21:58.860 God does not want us to be treating people like they're slaves.

01:22:01.280 He doesn't want slavery.

01:22:02.160 We're not supposed to be treating people like this.

01:22:03.700 So we've given them legal documentation.

01:22:05.780 But in many ways, as you can see, there's still a very sharp difference.

01:22:09.320 There's always outliers.

01:22:10.300 There's always about 10 to 30 percent of black Americans who just assimilate well and have adopted the European mindset.

01:22:15.200 But there's a lot that are resistant for reasons that probably are justified, where they want their own culture.

01:22:19.220 And if you act white, if you act too European, they give you a lot of SHIT for that in their own culture.

01:22:24.680 You see that a lot.

01:22:25.240 Stop acting like this.

01:22:26.080 Stop acting too educated.

01:22:26.860 Stop acting white.

01:22:27.840 You see that today with their fight against being too white, being quiet in the workplace, etc.

01:22:32.820 They tie our culture in with our skin color.

01:22:35.580 That being said, they are American citizens.

01:22:38.180 We have documentations because we're an empire.

01:22:40.020 But they're not – they know that there's something wrong, which is why they either want Wakanda or something going on.

01:22:45.720 They realize there's some damage that's been done.

01:22:48.000 Did you say most black people want Wakanda?

01:22:50.120 No.

01:22:50.340 The black culture in general realizes there's something that has been wrong to them and that they're different.

01:22:54.880 They were brought here from another continent.

01:22:56.360 And there is a difference between white and black Americans.

01:22:58.720 It doesn't mean we're better than them.

01:23:00.100 It doesn't mean they're worse.

01:23:01.280 But there is – we do – we tend to be – like we have an outgroup preference.

01:23:04.600 But you look at the – what's it called?

01:23:07.260 You look at the segregation in major cities.

01:23:09.320 Black people tend to live near each other.

01:23:11.600 White people tend to live near each other.

01:23:12.880 There are some problems.

01:23:13.960 That's not just black people and white people.

01:23:14.440 That's people of all races.

01:23:15.880 No, that's what I'm saying.

01:23:16.460 So they're American citizens.

01:23:17.560 But I meant ethnically American does mean a European –

01:23:20.800 No, there's no such thing as ethnically American.

01:23:22.520 There's a challenge in your –

01:23:23.840 There's not.

01:23:24.280 There's a position in that Chicago – like a lot of these cities had racial covenants in the 50s and 60s that created these areas.

01:23:30.240 That's why it's like that in part.

01:23:31.660 It's historical policies and legacies.

01:23:33.400 Why do all the black kids sit at their own table at school?

01:23:35.500 I mean, I don't know.

01:23:37.620 There are entire books written to that effect, but it's not because their skin looks the same, Elijah.

01:23:41.980 And there's no such thing as an ethnic American.

01:23:44.600 There's no ethnicity of American.

01:23:46.660 Our country is different.

01:23:48.220 Anyone can be an American.

01:23:49.260 You sound like Reagan.

01:23:49.820 I mean, this is something reinvented after a hard sell in 1965.

01:23:53.180 Everyone thought that until 1965, and now we're smarter.

01:23:56.320 We can break this down.

01:23:57.140 I disagree with you.

01:23:58.140 I think that a lot of black kids, a lot of Asian kids, they literally hang out with each other because of their race, but it's a surface-level thing rooted in the remnants of culture.

01:24:08.240 So when you have – in Chicago being the obvious example because the history of redlining, which then ended up happening in tons of different cities, the real estate – and blockbusting.

01:24:17.280 Real estate markets intentionally isolated certain areas of the city to sell specifically to black people.

01:24:21.880 You then created ethnic pockets.

01:24:24.140 Not that it was the first time it was ever done because you largely had this as a result of slavery.

01:24:27.860 There was white and there was black, and they didn't – and of course, the North was extremely racist.

01:24:32.760 People like to think that they were progressive.

01:24:34.300 They were not.

01:24:35.560 They're still assholes.

01:24:37.220 Well, so here's the funny thing about the Civil War and slavery and all this is that we didn't have Loving v. Virginia in 1967.

01:24:45.140 So we're talking about the North apparently wanting to end slavery because of – no, no.

01:24:49.440 They very much were very racist, and segregation persisted for 100 years or whatever, I could say to the extreme degree.

01:24:56.140 And so what ends up happening then is through the actual culture of the United States, the race-based policies, and largely of the slaves wanting to live with each other, you get segregated areas.

01:25:06.300 It then gets codified through – or not necessarily codified in the legal sense, but it gets expanded through redlining and blockbusting tactics in the real estate market, which results in literal black neighborhoods in major cities that were put there through covenant.

01:25:22.640 And St. Louis largely had this problem.

01:25:24.040 What then happens is the grandchildren – not even the grandchildren, because we're talking about the 80s this was going on.

01:25:29.660 We're talking about literally 30-something, like 30, 40-year-olds today who were forced by policy to live in areas only with other black people.

01:25:38.080 So then there's going to be racial preference due to who they grew up around.

01:25:41.900 And when they go to school, they're going to be like, these are the people I know from my community.

01:25:44.840 And it perpetuates that stuff.

01:25:46.500 I like to think the United States, as we have abolished these things and made them illegal, and the efforts of crushing DEI have been dramatically resisting this primitive remnants of history of isolating everybody by race.

01:26:00.280 We're moving away from that.

01:26:01.360 We're absolutely moving away from it.

01:26:02.360 We should.

01:26:03.000 Absolutely.

01:26:03.780 But he seems to think that we either shouldn't or can't.

01:26:06.840 I'm saying we cannot.

01:26:08.180 That's wrong.

01:26:09.220 American experiment shows us otherwise.

01:26:10.820 We're not in experiments.

01:26:11.600 Those are all just modern, colloquial terms that have been ingrained into our head through the reimagining and the liberalization post-World War II.

01:26:17.560 There's been a reimagining of the West and the world, and it doesn't work.

01:26:20.080 Look, I'm not saying that when I say we didn't win World War II, I'm not saying that Hitler was right.

01:26:24.100 I'm not talking about that mentality.

01:26:25.540 I meant nobody won.

01:26:26.280 I'm glad you clarified that.

01:26:26.840 I meant nobody won in terms of the fact that the West didn't win.

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01:27:28.280 So no one in the West won.

01:27:30.080 The British Empire was bankrupted.

01:27:31.480 They lost their control.

01:27:32.660 The colonies are out of control.

01:27:33.940 The collapse of Rhodesia right now, the collapse of South Africa, it's a big deal.

01:27:38.060 You saw that appropriating the farmland.

01:27:39.880 Oh, man.

01:27:40.220 South Africa.

01:27:40.780 And then they told us it wasn't happening.

01:27:42.020 Correct.

01:27:42.200 And it's happening.

01:27:42.820 I have friends there, by the way.

01:27:43.760 You have Rhodesia 2.0.

01:27:45.040 If you're new to this, you should look those up.

01:27:46.760 And I've seen what happens right now with the post-colonial or decolonization of the world.

01:27:51.180 And what I'm seeing now is that decolonization went from Rhodesia to apartheid in South Africa,

01:27:56.720 where everyone's like, okay, well, those are white people in Africa.

01:27:59.220 Africa's, you know, black.

01:28:00.300 It's very easy to, like, brainwash someone.

01:28:01.900 Rhodesia shouldn't exist.

01:28:03.060 South Africa shouldn't be run by whites.

01:28:04.440 In fact, if they get killed, it's good.

01:28:05.580 That's what people think.

01:28:06.380 That's what they thought.

01:28:06.920 And the U.S. did side with communists against the Rhodesian government, by the way.

01:28:10.080 And we fought a Western country, more British than England.

01:28:13.060 Bro, I got to interject something.

01:28:15.460 You see, like, if you want to make a race essentialist argument, I would actually argue

01:28:19.280 that presupposes white people as a suicidal race that will be destroyed by itself.

01:28:25.840 So, okay, I have to be so, I don't want to go down this road because we are talking

01:28:29.460 about immigration.

01:28:30.660 Okay, I will actually in some ways agree with you.

01:28:33.000 I will say that we are, any race, when captured by the wrong ideology and mentality, could

01:28:37.460 in and of itself become extinct, which is why there's so many civilizations that have become

01:28:40.920 extinct or have destroyed themselves.

01:28:42.500 Or there's remnants of those, like Italy still exists.

01:28:45.660 Russia still exists.

01:28:46.340 It's not the USSR.

01:28:47.300 They don't have the same power.

01:28:48.540 Empires can collapse while the basic identity can still exist.

01:28:51.680 I just want to say this, is that with white people, I've seen this immigration has moved.

01:28:56.460 And this is what I see happening with our immigration policies.

01:28:59.100 And it's fueled, ironically, yeah, by a lot of white billionaires, actually, in this

01:29:02.640 country, they're taking advantage of this, is that we are decolonizing our own countries.

01:29:08.160 So what we are told is that diversity, which means less white people, is what we need as

01:29:13.200 a restitution for our overseas colonialism.

01:29:16.040 And that means that we see our countries not like, we do not link our national identity with

01:29:21.060 our ethnic and religious identity.

01:29:22.760 We're not a Christian nation anymore.

01:29:24.400 We're not a white nation.

01:29:25.400 Look, I could say, okay, yeah, black people live.

01:29:27.280 I probably get along better with a black Christian guy than I do with my own sister or a family

01:29:32.220 member who's like liberal and not following those tenets.

01:29:34.660 I probably do.

01:29:35.340 So listen, we can have other connectors and just, you know, it's not just race essentialism.

01:29:39.060 It's like we can have religious, you know, and moral agreements on things, how we want

01:29:42.720 to run our country.

01:29:43.520 What we're seeing now is the decolonization of white countries.

01:29:47.720 And I'm going to say, yes, they do exist.

01:29:49.500 They have existed.

01:29:50.440 Although Europe was technically named by, you know, an Eastern empire.

01:29:53.240 The point of the matter is, is that we are decolonizing, becoming minority white.

01:29:57.520 And I saw what happened in Rhodesia and South Africa.

01:29:59.660 And I know that if we get less than a certain percent of white, these people want vengeance.

01:30:04.980 And I'm afraid for my, for my offspring.

01:30:06.680 I'm going to pause you right there.

01:30:09.140 And I'm going to say kids.

01:30:10.080 This is what I'm worried about.

01:30:11.180 Okay.

01:30:11.620 So let me, let me, I want to address this directly.

01:30:13.740 I think it's, it's, it's probably a bit more on the alarmist side, but I wouldn't say

01:30:19.740 it's inherently incorrect considering that white is the only racial group with an outgroup

01:30:24.040 preference, which means that if the United States becomes less than a certain percentage

01:30:28.900 white, I don't know that we, we end up in a South Africa situation.

01:30:31.980 The issue with South Africa right now.

01:30:33.520 So for those that don't know the news, there was a law, a very controversial law that was

01:30:36.920 just passed, which allows the, uh, what are they?

01:30:39.460 The expropriation of land without, without a public need, meaning they're literally now

01:30:44.520 announcing they're going to start seizing farmland from white people and seizing land from

01:30:47.440 white people in general.

01:30:48.100 It's very scary, but people don't realize this is very, very scary.

01:30:50.580 You should pay attention to this.

01:30:51.780 Yeah, we might.

01:30:52.540 I, and it's funny because the media kept saying these things were never happening and it was

01:30:55.300 all misinterpreted.

01:30:56.140 And the government is a Marxist government too, by the way.

01:30:58.420 So, so here's the, here's the important thing about mean in-group bias by right and

01:31:01.360 necessity that makes America different from say Rhodesia or South Africa is that we're

01:31:04.820 not looking at a, a single majority of one race.

01:31:08.160 We're looking at several different smaller factions within one confine, which will make

01:31:14.380 things strange, but it will not be like South Africa.

01:31:17.120 So what I mean to say is white, white, uh, according to the data that we've seen, this

01:31:22.140 is going back to 2018, there's like a minus two out-group preference among white people.

01:31:25.760 White conservatives tend not to have this.

01:31:26.960 White liberals strongly have this, but that means that with the majority of white country,

01:31:30.680 you have a, a net favorability against whites because black, Hispanic, and Asian have an,

01:31:35.600 have an in-group preference and white liberals tend to have an out-group, meaning all races

01:31:39.160 will be having a preference against whites to a certain degree.

01:31:42.360 But there will be no unifying race of the nation.

01:31:45.280 There's not going to be a majority black, Hispanic, or Asian faction.

01:31:47.840 That's going to be like, we're the supreme race and taking over the United States.

01:31:50.380 So it's not going to be the same as South Africa.

01:31:52.280 And we have legal protections and, and a system.

01:31:55.280 Legal protections.

01:31:55.840 They just change the legal protections in South Africa.

01:31:58.060 It can all be undone.

01:31:59.300 It's, but it's, the American system is more resilient than most.

01:32:02.140 Yes.

01:32:02.460 The second amendment, you still can't carry a gun in LA.

01:32:04.100 Yeah, I disagree.

01:32:05.180 But my, I mean, a DC is a literal federal jurisdiction, which should have the strongest

01:32:09.920 constitutional protections.

01:32:11.380 And it's one of the most nefarious for being against the second, a second amendment.

01:32:14.520 I've never heard that argument, but that's actually very true.

01:32:17.080 Why would the federal, that's in the process of hopefully being corrected.

01:32:19.580 Thomas Massey.

01:32:20.440 I'll say this, you know, but people saying that this is you saying, oh, this is racism.

01:32:23.520 No, because I'm not saying that the people here are less valuable.

01:32:25.960 I'm not saying that they, that they don't matter.

01:32:27.740 And I'm not saying that if I went to their country, that I should go enslave them or I have

01:32:30.480 authority over them.

01:32:31.480 And what I'm saying is, is that just like India wanted the British out because they saw

01:32:36.920 a disparity and now they're literally still hanging onto the technology and infrastructure

01:32:39.920 that they gave them by 400 people.

01:32:41.560 I mean, literally hanging off the sides of the trains, barely, barely still running in

01:32:44.520 that country, but they wanted their own country and they got it.

01:32:47.180 What we're seeing in the West is that whether people like it or not, no matter how much brainwashing

01:32:51.820 is going out there, young European heritage men, particularly, which voted 36 points skewed

01:32:58.460 towards Trump, which was shocking.

01:32:59.700 Trump mentioned this, by the way, have eyes and we've seen what's happened in the world.

01:33:04.180 We are not preaching a message of hate.

01:33:06.040 We are not, almost all of us have, have like my kids are dual citizens.

01:33:09.780 My wife's an immigrant.

01:33:10.720 Like, I don't want to get down that 2016 talk, you know, like all of us are either interracially

01:33:14.880 married or married to immigrants.

01:33:16.260 I was an immigrant in another country, like as if I'm against immigration.

01:33:19.300 That's, that's absolutely ridiculous.

01:33:20.700 I'm a resident.

01:33:21.420 I'm literally an immigrant resident of a foreign nation.

01:33:23.940 I'm not against this, but, but when you look at the totality, what we're seeing here

01:33:28.500 is not me living in Australia for a couple of years and we pretty much have the same

01:33:32.180 culture and I'm adding money into their economy and I hire one of their people and we're creating

01:33:35.100 a connection.

01:33:35.940 What we're seeing is, you know, an Indian person come in and the white guy sitting here, we

01:33:39.960 have, you know, me and you and Tim and Tim's the Indian.

01:33:42.900 And then you and I are going, let's hire the, you've seen this meme?

01:33:45.480 Let's hire the, the, the most qualified person.

01:33:48.040 And then the Indian, because of their caste system and in-group preferences, I want to

01:33:50.980 hire people who look like me.

01:33:52.320 And then there are two Indians and you're going, I want to hire the most qualified person.

01:33:56.700 Now, obviously there's two to one.

01:33:58.180 You're going to start hiring more Indians.

01:33:59.320 And all of a sudden there's an Indian in your seat and everyone's Indian.

01:34:01.720 Did I say Indians are bad?

01:34:02.860 No.

01:34:03.200 That's just a cultural problem.

01:34:04.540 Same phenomenon that happened with like woke people taking over HR departments.

01:34:08.480 And that's totally ideal.

01:34:09.620 That's a good example.

01:34:10.540 Yeah, that's totally ideologically bent, right?

01:34:13.060 So you get one person in to an HR department that believes like the woke ideology and then

01:34:18.820 they look at the applicants that are coming in and they're going to choose the person that

01:34:22.240 shares their woke ideology and they get, you get two in there and you get a third or fourth.

01:34:27.220 That's what's happened.

01:34:28.100 And that's why there's all this DEI and stuff in corporate America is because these people

01:34:32.820 with these ideologies went to the access points.

01:34:36.280 Let me, let me tell you about when I worked for American Airlines.

01:34:38.820 Uh, they have, uh, zone rooms and, uh, there's like zone one, zone two, zone three.

01:34:44.580 And then each zone has a certain number of gates, but then there's the principal break

01:34:48.200 room where it's very large and everybody hangs out in some microwave.

01:34:51.420 If you walked into that break room, it was all race pockets.

01:34:55.440 Yeah.

01:34:55.920 So there was, uh, two tables where everyone was black.

01:34:58.900 There was a table, uh, two tables where everyone was Hispanic.

01:35:01.160 And then there was two tables where everybody was Asian and the Asian, the, everyone called

01:35:05.620 the Asian group, the Asian mafia, because they had, uh, union access and, uh, and supervisor,

01:35:11.200 uh, connections.

01:35:12.660 So one of the guys was actually on the executive board of the union.

01:35:15.420 So they had a lot of power.

01:35:16.620 So they called them the Asian mafia.

01:35:18.020 The funny thing is, as soon as my, me and my brother got in there, they came up to us

01:35:20.920 and said, we should go hang out with them.

01:35:22.480 And then this is, it's pretty wild because immediately these guys were largely Filipino,

01:35:26.460 but different Asian.

01:35:27.800 And the one guy was like, which one of your parents is Asian?

01:35:29.860 They just knew instantly that we were part Asian and told us we should be a part of their

01:35:33.120 group and hang out with them.

01:35:34.200 And they even let us live.

01:35:35.220 It's a, one guy had a house and he was like, free room and a board.

01:35:37.840 You're Asian.

01:35:38.720 That's the way it worked.

01:35:39.520 It was weird.

01:35:40.700 Look, people, the people have forever been tribal and people, the most obvious and, and,

01:35:48.620 uh, the easiest to identify traits are the ones that people are drawn to first.

01:35:52.700 So yes, you do get people that are like black people hanging out with black people, white

01:35:57.000 people hanging out with white people.

01:35:58.080 That's just something that is natural and normal and part of like the, part of the human

01:36:02.900 condition.

01:36:03.460 It doesn't mean that it makes the people that do that immoral.

01:36:06.840 Well, so, so it's, if you treat other people badly, that's why it's immoral.

01:36:10.520 Let's, let's talk about this.

01:36:11.260 So, so where does it, where's the root of this in evolutionary psychology?

01:36:14.880 If, uh, you were British and you encountered a French guy, you had problems.

01:36:18.920 If you were Irish and you encountered a British guy, you had problems and identifying was

01:36:22.900 based on the things they would wear, the colors they would wear.

01:36:24.760 But what would, so, so, uh, largely in, uh, going back thousands of years, humans were

01:36:30.040 more likely to survive when they were around people of their own community, tribe, or village.

01:36:33.980 And so even white Europeans fought like crazy, probably more than anybody else.

01:36:38.720 So what ends up happening is racism is a, is an artifact of, you can clearly discern this

01:36:44.020 person is not from your tribe because they look very, very different to their, but for

01:36:48.260 white Europeans, it was, if two white naked guys are there, it's going to be not based

01:36:52.900 on the way they look necessarily.

01:36:54.260 Although-

01:36:54.540 There's a lot of that going on in Europe today though, two white naked guys together.

01:36:57.060 Right.

01:36:57.440 But you, you, you know, obviously a Slavic person will have different facial features

01:37:00.820 and they're more easily identified than say like an Iberian, Spanish or whatever.

01:37:04.300 Jack Posobiec looks different than me.

01:37:05.720 Right.

01:37:05.980 And, and so back then those things were discernible, but if a white guy living near his village

01:37:11.120 encountered a black man, there was going to be an immediate concern because they know

01:37:15.020 neither of them is from each other's, uh, tribe or community.

01:37:18.900 We today are, are way better than this, but there are still groups in countries around the

01:37:24.580 world that still are very much like we don't trust certain people.

01:37:27.520 Most countries don't like-

01:37:28.620 Sorry, can I just say that, um, the thing about the American tribe though, is that it's

01:37:32.780 uniquely not about race.

01:37:34.660 So when you look at expats, for example, in Paris or in London or, um, Madrid or something,

01:37:40.260 there'll be a community of American expats who live there, who get together and they're

01:37:44.260 not all white people.

01:37:45.480 They're not all black people.

01:37:46.260 What they have in common is that they're all American.

01:37:48.120 Now here's the challenge.

01:37:49.280 With mass migration coming to the United States and we're encountering a lot of illegal immigrant

01:37:53.280 criminals, what's happening now is people are starting to become more racist.

01:37:57.520 We, and we also see this with the emergence of DEI and things like this.

01:38:00.060 Well, when, if you, if, if, if I know like where I grew up, the, my Mexican friend talked

01:38:06.400 exactly like I did.

01:38:07.560 And if I walked down the street and saw a Mexican guy, I, I, we're from the same neighborhood,

01:38:11.600 bro.

01:38:11.780 Like we go to the same baseball games, we go to the same grocery store.

01:38:13.940 I have no concerns whatsoever.

01:38:15.460 So in my neighborhood, you got Asian black.

01:38:16.920 It was a very mixed area and a flipped for Trump, by the way, which is kind of crazy.

01:38:20.700 And this is a relatively mixed area.

01:38:22.080 However, you start mass importing people from other countries through open immigration.

01:38:28.660 And what happens then is someone walking down the street gets mugged by a guy who doesn't

01:38:31.780 speak English.

01:38:32.960 The black community in Chicago said, quote, we are being replaced.

01:38:36.160 This is not white people saying this.

01:38:37.780 And so black people in Chicago, all of a sudden are encountering Venezuelan gang members.

01:38:41.480 There's a huge controversy.

01:38:43.320 Trende Aragua coming into the cities.

01:38:45.020 And all of a sudden now black communities are like, we don't know if the, if the Mexican guy

01:38:50.880 we're bumping into Latino guy is going to be my homie who lives down the street, or it's

01:38:54.900 going to be Trende Aragua who came here illegally.

01:38:56.840 We don't know.

01:38:57.620 However, they do know that when they see another black person, that's not Trende Aragua.

01:39:02.160 Trende Aragua is not coming from Africa.

01:39:03.680 It's coming from Venezuela.

01:39:05.140 So this is the mass migration actually shattered this, this like, I grew up in a neighbor with

01:39:11.060 people of different races and we all know we entrust each other.

01:39:12.700 To be clear though, that's not a problem with migration.

01:39:15.120 That's a problem with an uncontrolled border and illegal immigration and not vetting and

01:39:19.860 not knowing who's coming in and out.

01:39:21.460 And that, that, that's, that was the, I completely agree with it.

01:39:24.120 And my, my point is.

01:39:25.040 Just to be clear, my position has always been, we need a strong and secure border, but a

01:39:28.360 system of open and orderly legal immigration.

01:39:30.940 What are we protecting?

01:39:32.140 Because we're a moral framework.

01:39:33.900 What is our country?

01:39:35.540 Because if it's, if it's not white European culture, there's not a connection.

01:39:39.040 Then what is our country?

01:39:39.920 It's an African culture, but it's not a white culture.

01:39:41.740 Now, hold on, hold on.

01:39:42.420 I got to pause you.

01:39:42.900 I got to pause you.

01:39:43.960 Can, can, can only, uh, can Christians only be white?

01:39:46.960 No, no.

01:39:47.700 That's, that's the, that's dumb.

01:39:48.680 So American culture isn't related to Christian culture then.

01:39:51.200 No, no, no.

01:39:51.400 Because I said there's other homogeny.

01:39:53.180 There's other linking factors.

01:39:54.560 The culture originally comes from non-Christians.

01:39:56.560 We're talking about Greek, Hellenistic, Roman.

01:39:58.460 These are not originally Christian empires.

01:40:00.520 So when I say white Christian, I mean white countries, European, the original enlightenment, these

01:40:05.040 ideals, which they, they even, they even, uh, made, uh, DC after Rome.

01:40:08.380 Would we prefer it if the whole world was of a Christian moral framework and believing

01:40:12.980 in Jesus Christ?

01:40:13.980 I do personally.

01:40:14.960 So that would imply that in the United States, what we're protecting is not whiteness or being

01:40:19.160 white.

01:40:19.540 It's the moral framework and traditions of this country.

01:40:22.100 So yes, but I will say this, this is not even a contradictory statement.

01:40:25.820 This is why I said as a Christian, this is why it's very important.

01:40:28.940 There's always been a debate on which founding fathers were Christian or not.

01:40:31.460 This was built on Christian foundation and principles, not Judeo.

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01:41:32.140 Christian, but Christian.

01:41:33.340 And the key thing about that is, is that, yes, that's why I just said that I would get

01:41:36.800 along better with a black guy who was a believer in the Bible and the principles than I would

01:41:41.360 a liberal white person, which is why I made that distinction.

01:41:44.000 We're not just going, okay, whatever.

01:41:46.360 So then do we then import all the black Christians from Africa?

01:41:50.500 No, because it's not, just because you're Christian doesn't mean you still share, let's

01:41:54.480 say, similar, like you might not be a good roommate with me.

01:41:56.960 If you're just a black guy and a Christian from Africa, you might not be a good roommate.

01:42:00.080 What's the number one thing?

01:42:00.760 Well, maybe you don't even have a credit card and ability to help me pay rent.

01:42:03.080 Like there's other factors to living with people versus respecting them.

01:42:06.120 The point I'm simply making is, it is the moral traditions and our culture that we are

01:42:11.200 protected.

01:42:11.400 But the culture itself comes out of, out of, out of the race and out of the, out of the

01:42:15.020 region.

01:42:15.880 And then the value set on top of that paired, because eventually the Roman empire became

01:42:19.300 Christian.

01:42:19.720 No, it is true.

01:42:20.200 Comes from, I get it, but you're never going to convince a mixed race guy that this country

01:42:23.400 is for what is just, well, then, then, but then technically if, if white's not really

01:42:27.300 technically a race, right?

01:42:28.380 I mean, there's obviously, there's tech, there's technically differences.

01:42:30.900 My point is, is that yes, I'm not saying the mixed race thing.

01:42:33.520 You would be assimilated enough where you'd be the example of what I said.

01:42:36.480 There's always been a portion of Americans.

01:42:38.500 The blacks are the best example because they were not brought here out of merit.

01:42:41.520 They didn't get a pass to Disneyland.

01:42:42.800 So we figured out what do we do with these people?

01:42:44.300 Well, they need to become American citizens.

01:42:45.920 They need to be given rights.

01:42:46.980 We can't have a slave labor.

01:42:48.080 And we made sense with that.

01:42:49.360 What we're doing today is not solving the issues that already exist.

01:42:52.400 We're not like, oh, you're a part, you know, Asian immigrant.

01:42:54.220 Oh, you're not really an American.

01:42:55.160 That's not what we're arguing.

01:42:56.220 We're not even arguing about whether that you're an illegal American or whether or not you've

01:42:59.240 adopted.

01:42:59.920 My point is you've adopted ethnic European mindset.

01:43:03.080 The way that you reason, the way that you think, the way that you look, the hobbies

01:43:07.160 you're into, you are not.

01:43:08.560 I got to pause you.

01:43:09.740 You are not.

01:43:10.660 That you would not be considered not Western.

01:43:13.380 I got to disagree with you.

01:43:14.120 You would not be considered that.

01:43:14.600 I think you assimilated Asian culture, actually.

01:43:16.960 A lot of the ideas that you're presenting were prevalent in Eastern Asia, well, a thousand

01:43:21.540 years before Europe ever.

01:43:22.600 You eat a lot of teriyaki bowls.

01:43:24.940 It's kind of sus.

01:43:25.820 I had this argument with this woke person who told me that the whole world is white

01:43:30.720 culture that was created by whites, very much saying the same thing you are.

01:43:33.240 That's what the woke...

01:43:33.960 I didn't say all.

01:43:34.620 He just thinks the good part.

01:43:36.000 Well, no, no, no.

01:43:36.520 Hold on.

01:43:36.740 I respect South Korea.

01:43:37.740 I respect Japan a lot.

01:43:38.680 I mean, I think Japan's a great culture.

01:43:40.100 The woke people believe that it was white European settlers who traveled around the world

01:43:43.160 and spread whiteness around, and a lot of cultures assimilated into what they were

01:43:46.500 forced to by the European colonists.

01:43:48.460 I think that did happen.

01:43:49.260 That wasn't a woke idea.

01:43:50.140 I mean, look at the guns.

01:43:52.340 We've got gunpowder from China, but then end up bringing muskets into Japan.

01:43:55.380 I mean, there's a little bit.

01:43:56.500 We all cross.

01:43:57.360 And right.

01:43:57.600 So the point I brought up is, it is absolutely correct that white Europeans went around the

01:44:02.040 world and imposed these worldviews and things like that, though they have largely changed.

01:44:06.340 But a lot of these ideas also did originate in other places, largely in Asia.

01:44:10.160 And so I don't think that...

01:44:11.360 The world is not a singular narrative.

01:44:12.640 Yeah, it's complicated.

01:44:13.000 So I don't think white is the qualifier here.

01:44:16.220 I didn't say it's the.

01:44:17.220 I said it's A in terms of that's why I said I'm not against people who are not white

01:44:20.840 having the same value set and system.

01:44:22.500 I meant, it doesn't mean that if you are not white, that you don't have this culture,

01:44:26.320 that you don't have these value sets.

01:44:27.440 It's like Jared Taylor.

01:44:28.560 I met some white communists in Eastern Europe.

01:44:30.380 They're not fun people.

01:44:31.460 Jared Taylor, you know, for lack of better words, would be considered, I think he's probably

01:44:35.960 banned on most social media, and he would be considered a race, a very fundamental race

01:44:40.800 realist.

01:44:41.200 He was born in Japan.

01:44:42.580 Yeah.

01:44:42.840 And he was born in Japan, and he's very much, when he's there, he can assimilate.

01:44:46.040 My understanding is he's fluent.

01:44:47.040 That's why he's race realist.

01:44:48.460 Yes.

01:44:48.760 Because Japanese people are very supremacist.

01:44:50.920 Yes, but Jared Taylor is not Japanese.

01:44:53.500 Why?

01:44:53.740 Because, you know, as much as Japanese people may accept him, and I'm not saying, I'm not

01:44:57.100 Japanese.

01:44:57.460 I don't get to decide if they accept him or not.

01:44:59.180 I'm sure he gets along.

01:45:00.320 And I know Japanese people in general can be very understanding of some outgroup preference.

01:45:06.660 I will say this.

01:45:07.100 Very limited.

01:45:08.240 Of the places I've been to, America, of course, is the least racist place I've ever experienced.

01:45:12.220 And the most diverse and multicultural.

01:45:14.800 And, right.

01:45:15.400 I'm not a big...

01:45:16.180 Australia's up there now.

01:45:17.800 But, yeah, and Canada beats the United States.

01:45:19.640 Yeah, yeah.

01:45:19.800 But Korea is super racially supremacist, and the issue is...

01:45:24.400 I worked there.

01:45:24.760 They wouldn't let me eat in restaurants.

01:45:26.040 I couldn't go to clubs.

01:45:26.640 Are you serious?

01:45:27.180 Yeah, in South Korea.

01:45:27.800 They wouldn't let me in.

01:45:28.660 Wow.

01:45:28.780 Regularly.

01:45:29.180 It was only for natives.

01:45:29.920 They would say, no outsiders.

01:45:31.360 Kick me out.

01:45:31.980 Just push me out.

01:45:32.960 I get special treatment.

01:45:34.100 I'm not kidding.

01:45:35.160 I have some tape on my eyes or something.

01:45:36.440 I don't know what I've got to do.

01:45:37.260 I've met Korean people who are like, oh, which one of your parents?

01:45:40.220 And tell us your story.

01:45:41.040 What's your family's history?

01:45:41.680 How did this happen?

01:45:42.720 And they treat it like a novelty.

01:45:44.000 You do look...

01:45:44.540 I know you are Asian, but I always forget.

01:45:46.100 You do look a little Asian.

01:45:47.240 Just a little bit.

01:45:47.380 I'm only a quarter.

01:45:48.060 I'm only a quarter.

01:45:48.380 I'm 5% Japanese, 20% Korean.

01:45:50.640 Only a quarter smarter than all of us.

01:45:51.260 The Koreans attacked everybody.

01:45:53.740 And...

01:45:54.060 I'm sorry.

01:45:54.700 Not the Koreans.

01:45:55.280 The Japanese attacked everybody.

01:45:56.620 And they were very racially supremacist.

01:45:58.100 They said, we are better than everybody.

01:45:59.860 And there's a lot of theories as to why that happened.

01:46:02.480 One is that as an island nation, you couldn't flee.

01:46:06.320 And so as war broke out and fight for resources, it was only the most brutal and aggressive

01:46:10.620 that would survive.

01:46:11.920 Whereas in China, and less so in Korea because it's a peninsula, but China, you could move.

01:46:16.620 And so the freer a group was to flee a fight, which was more likely, the less likely they

01:46:21.420 were to be a warring nation.

01:46:23.400 Which is why Europe got super concentrated.

01:46:25.800 You couldn't leave.

01:46:26.720 Like, I'm up against the water.

01:46:28.320 What do I do?

01:46:29.280 And so Japan, being an island nation, all these different feudal factions go to war

01:46:33.060 with each other and the most brutal survive and wins.

01:46:34.900 And they say, we're going to expand because that's what their culture had built on.

01:46:38.320 That was the evolutionary psychology.

01:46:39.940 So then they go to Korea and they brutally rape, murder, pillage, and enslave.

01:46:43.540 The Koreans countered this by saying, actually, we are the superior race.

01:46:47.000 Because the Japanese were trying to instill in them, destroy your culture, your way of

01:46:49.880 life.

01:46:50.320 We are better than you.

01:46:51.320 So the resistance of Korea said, no, we're better than everyone else.

01:46:54.040 And thus, you end up with this, like, in Asia, everybody thinks they're supreme.

01:46:58.680 Like, you know, in the United States, we talk about white supremacy and the left freaks

01:47:01.620 out about it.

01:47:02.400 You go to Asia and it's like the law of the land.

01:47:04.040 It's absolute.

01:47:05.340 But isn't that part of why I think we like America the way it is?

01:47:08.840 I agree.

01:47:09.340 We're not like that?

01:47:09.900 Absolutely.

01:47:10.440 Yeah.

01:47:10.880 I think I love America.

01:47:12.080 We turned from a free trade argument into an immigration race argument.

01:47:15.640 But these things are intertwined, so I think it's fine.

01:47:17.420 I mean, yeah.

01:47:17.800 It is.

01:47:18.260 Because obviously, even then, there's different economic systems with different countries.

01:47:21.720 I know you and I vehemently disagree on probably, like, a few topics.

01:47:26.780 But I think it's outside of the realm of a good faith argument if we don't even understand

01:47:31.680 where we also agree to.

01:47:32.820 Because I think what the point is, is I think everyone can agree with, by the way, Phil,

01:47:36.780 very good point about the HR thing.

01:47:38.140 I'm going to keep that one.

01:47:39.300 Because when you bring up race, just like the, you know, the word, you know, swastika or

01:47:43.760 anything, some things trigger people's brains.

01:47:45.180 So we talk about race, people get really defensive.

01:47:47.120 But talking about HR departments and ideology, sometimes it's probably a better way to explain,

01:47:50.520 you know, what's happened, including what's, you know, the communist takeover of all of

01:47:53.700 our institutions.

01:47:54.300 This stuff can become very, very destructive.

01:47:56.600 But that being said, I think what we can agree on and what Trump's doing and what we're

01:48:00.620 going to see the next four years of Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi, you know, we already got the salute

01:48:04.140 with Elon Musk.

01:48:05.080 We're already like one day into his, first day into his campaign and we've already gone

01:48:08.900 back to the 1930s argument.

01:48:11.080 Look, I'm not coming from a racist perspective.

01:48:13.200 And I think a lot of people like me aren't.

01:48:14.840 And people are tired of us being called racist.

01:48:16.600 We are not arguing that anybody in this country is that is a legal American is not an illegal

01:48:21.180 American.

01:48:21.660 We are not arguing to take away their rights.

01:48:23.860 We are not saying that they do not or cannot vote.

01:48:27.240 Where we are at right now is a much further back argument, not even that we're trying to

01:48:30.640 get there.

01:48:31.160 That's not what I'm saying.

01:48:31.720 Just we're way further back.

01:48:33.060 So it's funny.

01:48:33.680 People accuse us of this is a growing huge percentage of the country.

01:48:37.400 There are people with deep historical roots to this country.

01:48:40.500 Like my family was here before the founding, who fought in the revolution.

01:48:43.740 That's irrelevant.

01:48:44.320 It is so not irrelevant to us.

01:48:46.920 To you it is, but to us it's not.

01:48:48.820 This is why.

01:48:49.340 Respect my pronouns here.

01:48:50.560 Here we go.

01:48:51.580 It's like, it is valuable to us to understand what this country was.

01:48:56.420 I have ancestors that died to fight for certain values for this country.

01:49:00.280 It's not irrelevant.

01:49:00.960 No more coming to a country because of ancestral guilt or credit.

01:49:05.080 It's an immoral frame of thinking.

01:49:05.700 It does matter to people, which is why I'm fighting.

01:49:08.420 I have a value set where their sacrifice and what they did is important.

01:49:12.360 Why would my ancestors die for something?

01:49:14.660 I want to know.

01:49:15.700 So I look at that because people don't die for anything here valuable except in Ukraine

01:49:19.100 where they're sent to die.

01:49:19.920 But I look at that and I want to know what it is they wanted this country to be and why

01:49:24.840 they died.

01:49:25.500 So do you support reparations?

01:49:26.580 And I read, and I read, listen, you're totally switching the subject here.

01:49:29.980 No, no, no.

01:49:30.320 It's the same point though.

01:49:31.180 You seem to believe in some sort of ancestral transferring of moral weight or responsibility

01:49:37.900 that would go not just in the good direction.

01:49:39.800 Literally what a culture is.

01:49:40.900 No, it's not at all.

01:49:41.940 It's literally the entire, that's the definition of this.

01:49:43.040 You have no more claim to America than somebody who's a second generation immigrant that

01:49:46.620 was born here.

01:49:47.140 So how did they not?

01:49:47.920 There's no we.

01:49:48.200 You didn't found it.

01:49:49.080 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:49:49.500 You were born in what?

01:49:50.480 1980?

01:49:51.400 1980?

01:49:52.140 Holy shit.

01:49:52.840 Sorry, I don't mean that as an insult.

01:49:54.160 That's so bad.

01:49:54.780 Born in 1993.

01:49:55.560 All right, 1990, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:49:57.340 You did not do anything, and you don't deserve credit nor condemnation for whatever your ancestors

01:50:02.580 did.

01:50:02.940 You are conflating arguments here.

01:50:05.220 I'm not saying any of that.

01:50:06.560 I don't say I'm getting credit.

01:50:07.580 What am I, expecting a payout for my founding fathers, you know, starting the country?

01:50:11.460 That's not what I'm asking for.

01:50:11.980 That's an argument.

01:50:12.940 Inverse reparations.

01:50:13.840 We deserve to get paid more than everyone else.

01:50:14.700 I mean, we do get free college education, but I don't know if you know that.

01:50:16.720 We have free college education as the sons of liberty.

01:50:19.620 But anyway, we actually still get free education, but so do blacks aren't very often.

01:50:22.920 So we both are mutual.

01:50:24.320 My point is, is that we go, what is this country?

01:50:27.080 So people like you, that doesn't matter, and that's where we're different.

01:50:30.240 You don't care about our history.

01:50:32.020 You don't care about what people wanted this country to be, and that we want to make it

01:50:36.140 an agreement.

01:50:36.660 We want to keep this country.

01:50:37.620 I believe this country is defined by its history.

01:50:40.300 And you know what?

01:50:40.740 Actually, I agree with black people.

01:50:42.320 We could talk about reparations in a separate argument.

01:50:44.560 They say that their history does matter.

01:50:46.280 And with that to the black community, I agree with you.

01:50:48.100 Your history does matter, and we need to figure out our relationship.

01:50:51.120 History matters, but it's wrong to treat people differently because of the sins of their

01:50:55.160 ancestry.

01:50:56.060 I just said I'm not arguing.

01:50:57.280 Well, that's what reparations is.

01:50:58.380 Wait, I just said I'm not calling to treat anyone differently.

01:51:01.820 That's not what we're arguing.

01:51:02.820 What we are saying.

01:51:03.180 But you're trying to say you have a special claim to American culture or identity because

01:51:06.080 of what your ancestors did.

01:51:06.580 Oh my gosh, I want to kill myself.

01:51:08.760 Listen to me for like five seconds.

01:51:10.440 Dude, you've been talking 70% of the time.

01:51:12.360 I'm explaining something.

01:51:13.700 Well, maybe I have something to say.

01:51:15.100 So the point is, is that I'm explaining to you that what we're seeing now is exactly

01:51:19.540 what Trump is defining by the birthright citizenship from trade to immigration, H-1B.

01:51:25.220 There are abuses that are radically and rapidly transforming our culture, our ethnic homogeneity to

01:51:32.980 a point that we cannot keep up with.

01:51:34.360 So if you don't want us to be a homogenous country and you want assimilation, we are

01:51:38.140 having immigration levels.

01:51:39.200 We have 20 million just in the last four years, 10 million illegal, 10 million legal come in

01:51:42.860 in just four years.

01:51:44.260 Those people cannot assimilate.

01:51:46.580 That is, we don't even have any programs for this.

01:51:48.760 These are out of control.

01:51:50.780 It's arguably because we don't have the hard numbers, but it's arguably the largest mass

01:51:53.940 migration in human history.

01:51:55.060 Well, and what I'm saying, the founders, I'm saying like-

01:51:56.620 It may be, I just want to clarify, because the ranges are varying, we don't have the exact

01:52:01.180 number, it's in the top five, absolutely, and it may actually rival the partition in

01:52:06.340 India and being greater than any other in history.

01:52:08.800 So I'll just end this by saying, even if you or I are correct, where we come to an example

01:52:13.160 at saying, we had values.

01:52:14.920 I'm not just saying, oh, that everyone's white or whatever.

01:52:16.560 I'm saying that we had to limit immigration.

01:52:18.040 You see from the very beginning, how much of our birth rate do we want to be natural?

01:52:21.320 Maybe we should stop discouraging internal birth rates and promoting abortion and figure

01:52:26.540 out what's going on in our food supply with low testosterone and just import and bait and

01:52:31.140 switch our people.

01:52:32.280 That's what I'm saying.

01:52:33.060 Our people are not replaceable.

01:52:35.020 Assuming that all the Americans here are here, let's put a moratorium on this immigration

01:52:39.400 issue.

01:52:40.220 Let's have these discussions.

01:52:41.740 Then let's discuss what is an American.

01:52:43.640 Let's agree to disagree on some points.

01:52:45.240 Let's agree we're all legally Americans in this room.

01:52:47.400 I don't know anyone that could legally even disagree with that.

01:52:49.740 So, yes, but that doesn't mean I want 5,000 people named Vivek and Gupta coming in to

01:52:54.960 compete at wages and that they deserve that or they have any right to this country.

01:52:58.540 At least with the people here, we're bringing in 20 million people.

01:53:01.520 This is not 85,000 H1Bs.

01:53:03.360 This is 20 million people in just four years.

01:53:06.100 Our country is losing the ethos and its value.

01:53:09.040 We already don't control our own political system.

01:53:11.140 I am afraid that we are heading towards a empire collapse.

01:53:16.060 Rum did it.

01:53:16.620 Yep.

01:53:17.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:53:17.520 I'm afraid.

01:53:18.020 I'm trying to warn people.

01:53:18.780 And now you've got numerous cities that are trying to enact non-citizen voting.

01:53:21.760 And it's very, this is all predictable.

01:53:23.800 It's very obvious.

01:53:24.540 I blame Ronald Reagan largely.

01:53:26.700 I love it when people are like, Reagan was the greatest president.

01:53:29.660 Oh, yeah.

01:53:30.200 When he gave amnesty and then created the crisis in California, which turned it into a sanctuary

01:53:34.240 state, blue state perpetually.

01:53:36.480 The story of California is actually quite interesting in that the simple version is Reagan gave amnesty

01:53:42.100 to certain young people, and then when they tried passing a law in the 90s that would stop the use of public funds on non-citizens, those children who now had the right to vote voted against it because their family were non-citizens and didn't live here.

01:53:54.680 So it's actually quite simple with mass migration.

01:53:57.340 I don't care about the ethnic argument.

01:53:59.740 I believe about the culture and the moral value argument.

01:54:02.240 But when you bring in tons of people and then give them any kind of weight in government, be it through the electoral process for the president or congressional seats, the people like AOC, they'll come out and tell you outright, I represent the undocumented.

01:54:16.980 And the undocumented interests are not in this country.

01:54:20.980 They're in their family that largely are outside this country, meaning they either want them to come here or they want to send money to them.

01:54:27.420 The people in this country who have been here for a long time have interests in, like, my dad used to play at that park when he was a kid with my grandpa.

01:54:34.560 I want to play with my kid there.

01:54:35.920 But someone who came here 10 years ago is going to be like, what park where?

01:54:38.960 I don't know.

01:54:39.620 And then when it comes to voting, it's actually really simple because we've seen this happen.

01:54:42.780 Let's say this is a small town.

01:54:44.320 This is the Springfield, Ohio argument.

01:54:45.680 You have 10,000 people.

01:54:47.380 They have a city council meeting and they say, should we allocate funding to restoring Spring Park?

01:54:53.680 And then a guy stands up and says, my great grandfather taught my grandfather how to play baseball, who taught my father, who taught me.

01:55:01.440 And I'm now teaching my kids at that park.

01:55:03.600 This park should be restored to the beauty that it once was.

01:55:06.000 And I hear move that we allocate funds from this city and our tax base so that we can restore this park.

01:55:10.400 Everyone claps and cheers.

01:55:11.460 Then you bring in 5,000 non-citizens and they migrate to this area.

01:55:15.120 And they hear that argument and they go, what are you talking about?

01:55:17.980 What is baseball?

01:55:18.840 We don't care about that.

01:55:20.420 We need to set up a new immigration entry center or something for what we care about or whatever it may be.

01:55:28.680 We want a multi-non-denominational community center.

01:55:32.440 We don't care about your baseball field.

01:55:33.860 That argument isn't wrong, but it goes against what we as Americans who live here and have inherited traditions care about.

01:55:41.280 So when the argument becomes, we should be able to, look, we're going to improve the economy by bringing in mass migration or whatever.

01:55:47.600 The numbers are going to be great.

01:55:49.040 It tears away at the unquantifiable things that we care about and want to pass on to our children that we think we're good.

01:55:54.160 The reason this is bad in the long run, that we don't maintain these traditions.

01:55:59.360 But that primarily relies on the idea of non-citizen voting.

01:56:02.520 So just don't allow non-citizen, undocumented people voting.

01:56:05.340 I specifically reference how in California they gave amnesty to the children of non-citizens or through, say, birthright citizenship.

01:56:10.920 And when those people grew up, they did not recognize why a park where your grandfather played baseball has any value to the community, and they vote against it.

01:56:18.700 Their argument is not wrong.

01:56:20.080 To them, the park has no value.

01:56:22.020 But to the people who live there, it is of the utmost value.

01:56:25.120 The reason why it's important is that evolutionary psychology and cultural traditions are not immune to the pressures of evolution.

01:56:32.680 Basically, good ideas persist, sometimes bad ideas too, but we usually weed them out.

01:56:37.800 Now, when we build a society and certain things work for us and it leads to success, we seek to maintain those things.

01:56:45.440 This is human history, period.

01:56:47.140 When some things don't work, they dissolve.

01:56:49.060 The Soviet Union lasted only 69 years.

01:56:50.840 America is over 250 because good ideas persist, and we want to maintain and preserve those.

01:56:55.740 If we erode at those good ideas, say, we now vote.

01:56:59.980 You, good sir, your family's been here for 10 years.

01:57:02.820 Your children were granted amnesty or they now grant a congressional seat and the member of Congress is voting at the federal level.

01:57:10.020 You then end up with voting on interests that don't recognize the moral traditions and values that resulted in the success of this country.

01:57:15.640 And then you actually will end up with cultural decay and degradation, moral decay and degradation, crime, etc.

01:57:21.880 And we could talk about multiculturalism in the greater sense.

01:57:24.700 You end up with, say, Dearborn, Michigan having female genital mutilation at extreme degrees, and the community, they're voting in favor of it, rejecting outside pressures to make it stop.

01:57:33.240 Yeah, well, I think that's a unique aspect of that one particular culture that had some pretty toxic ideas.

01:57:39.080 It's a specific example of a very extreme bad thing.

01:57:41.760 But when I point out that, I'm simply highlighting that extreme bad things have happened, which we should stop, but understand that at the granular level, that may be what we would describe as acute malfeasance through cultural difference.

01:57:53.600 Or maybe malfeasance is not the right word, but a unique crisis that we can see right away.

01:57:59.660 What do we not see?

01:58:01.260 There are certain things that are below the threshold of reaching national news.

01:58:06.360 So when you get a news report about Afghan refugees in Sweden that are raping little boys, and this is a practice in Afghanistan, it's very common, where groups of young boys will capture another young boy and they'll rape them in the ass.

01:58:20.260 It's very well known.

01:58:21.500 The U.S. troops have talked about it in Sweden.

01:58:23.320 It's a big problem at pools.

01:58:25.060 The Swedish kids don't have this culture.

01:58:27.240 And so that is an extreme.

01:58:28.540 Shocked.

01:58:29.040 Right.

01:58:29.360 So let's say there's a threshold of a depravity that has to be met before a society reacts.

01:58:35.260 Those things are extreme.

01:58:36.740 Female genital mutilation and the raping of small children, shocking to a society, and they say that should be stopped.

01:58:42.260 However, if one instance of that happens, you can get a reaction from a society.

01:58:46.500 What if you get 100 instances of a community saying, we don't want baseball fields anymore?

01:58:50.880 Well, no one's going to publish a national news story saying that the community has voted against a baseball field, but that means the baseball field will be gone.

01:58:57.200 If people still want baseball fields, if a lot of people still want them, they'll still be baseball fields.

01:59:01.440 So if we can simplify this even further, if me and my roommate every day vote for lunch and we agree pizza is the best lunch, we have pizza every day.

01:59:10.880 We are very happy with this.

01:59:12.400 We say, I want to continue living this way.

01:59:14.940 It's conducive to our success.

01:59:16.240 Then two people are moved in by your landlord with, you know, he's the guy who owns the apartment, says they're going to live here now, and vote for lunch.

01:59:22.720 And you guys say pizza and they say cheeseburgers.

01:59:24.460 And you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, but we don't want cheeseburgers.

01:59:26.620 Too bad.

01:59:27.100 We all pull our money together and we vote.

01:59:28.440 Now we have a dispute.

01:59:29.360 One new guy moves in.

01:59:30.480 He's the tiebreaker.

01:59:31.220 And now you never have pizza again.

01:59:32.660 That is not a national crisis and it's not a wrong opinion.

01:59:35.240 It's the loss of our moral tradition and our values, which many people who live here, whose ancestors sacrificed and dedicated their lives to building up this place, we are sad to see these things go.

01:59:45.800 It's unquantifiable.

01:59:47.120 It is not wrong that some South Americans who move here don't want a baseball field.

01:59:53.520 They're entitled when they're here to express their opinions as what we should allocate funds for.

01:59:58.540 And when you get a member of Congress who has 17% or whatever their district be undocumented, illegal, or otherwise, they are going to pursue the interests of that group.

02:00:07.360 And that group largely is going to say, I don't know or care why that statue is important.

02:00:11.540 But the people who said, that's a statue of my friend's great-grandfather who died in World War II, saving the life of a small child who went on to rescue a bunch of Jews, whatever the story may be.

02:00:23.080 The people who don't live here and aren't from here don't know or care.

02:00:26.320 I think increasingly a large share of native-born people don't know history or value traditions as well.

02:00:32.700 Which is exactly my point.

02:00:33.900 It is being diluted and dissolved.

02:00:35.760 But not because of immigration, because of their own ignorance and lack of education.

02:00:39.280 And I think a large component is free trade, which is why I brought the issue up.

02:00:42.940 When we have community centers and a requirement for industry to train young people because the industry hub is in that place, but we outsource all that stuff away, there's no longer communal gatherings or cultural gatherings.

02:00:53.680 And that's one component of the moral degradation and the degradation of tradition in this country.

02:01:00.940 Yeah.

02:01:02.060 I mean, look, I think the-

02:01:03.120 Hey, it's closed.

02:01:03.620 Play a guitar solo, Phil.

02:01:05.000 Go.

02:01:05.440 I don't have a guitar here.

02:01:06.440 Well, you can plug it in, but-

02:01:08.940 We're going to talk about TikTok?

02:01:10.760 Oh, I brought that up to make a really good example.

02:01:12.580 When you guys were talking about billionaires and the powerful elites, Jeff Yass is maintaining Chinese influence and propagandistic control in the United States for his economic interest.

02:01:21.600 Can I say with this, okay, so by the way, for people watching this, right, some people are like, oh, win Brad, you know, win Tim, L-Tim, win Elijah, L-Elijah, whatever.

02:01:29.360 It doesn't matter.

02:01:29.980 And everyone just says pro-Phil.

02:01:31.720 But the truth of the matter is, is like, I think sometimes on these conversations, it's not about winning or losing.

02:01:37.880 It's about-

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02:02:35.900 Having the conversation that's the more important thing so that people can voice their opinions because we've been silenced for too long.

02:02:41.220 There's been too much shutting people down.

02:02:43.060 I think that's where sometimes people get, you know, with Tim, they'll be like, either he's, you know, anti-Israel pro, you know, or he's a shill, or he's got too based of a guest on,

02:02:50.100 or too safe of a guest.

02:02:51.140 It's like all Tim is doing is literally building a table and a platform so that people can speak.

02:02:56.220 He's not really, he's not telling you, I'm telling you this, coming on the show, people say stuff in my comments.

02:03:01.260 You want to know what, bro?

02:03:02.300 We've had more conversations and shows specifically about Israel than any other topic.

02:03:05.780 Correct.

02:03:05.980 And they never stop.

02:03:07.340 Why aren't you talking about Israel?

02:03:08.600 We did like seven times.

02:03:09.760 Yeah, it's like a nagging wife or something like that that's never satisfied.

02:03:14.280 Not my wife.

02:03:15.000 I love you, baby.

02:03:15.860 But the other ones.

02:03:17.340 What I meant is like, look, I came on here and I even saw, I see all these conspiracies about things, people in the chat like, oh, Elijah hasn't been mentioned this or that.

02:03:24.300 Did Tim tell us?

02:03:25.800 Listen, Tim has never once told me a topic is off the table.

02:03:31.720 He never told me words I cannot say on the show.

02:03:34.080 He never told me anything.

02:03:36.340 I understand that, you know, this is a platform and that we're talking about, you know, very complicated and contentious topics that if you talk about them the wrong way, it's not Tim that will get mad.

02:03:44.180 It's the people at YouTube that are going to get the most angry.

02:03:47.080 And we understand that.

02:03:48.120 I did warn him not to insult my chickens because that's, you're out.

02:03:50.160 He did.

02:03:50.840 And by the way, if we leave West Virginia, those damn chickens are coming with us.

02:03:54.920 By the way, I heard that some staff left and I immediately checked the chicken coop and Mr. Cluckins is safe if everyone wants to know.

02:04:00.740 I don't know their names, but they're all here.

02:04:02.460 Mr. Cluckins.

02:04:04.140 They have real names like Roberto.

02:04:06.280 Okay.

02:04:07.300 All right.

02:04:07.700 Well, Roberto was having an affair with Ms. Cluckins and we don't want to get into that.

02:04:10.000 So, uh, no, but, but with this topic is like, I think this is, by the way, he's, he's Roberto.

02:04:17.560 We gave them all last names that were real last names, but sounded like bird names.

02:04:21.660 Berg?

02:04:22.840 Even Berg.

02:04:24.320 It's a bird.

02:04:25.640 Oh, no, no.

02:04:26.260 It's like, like aviary.

02:04:28.160 Okay.

02:04:28.620 All right.

02:04:29.060 I got it.

02:04:29.560 I'm going to keep my Margaret Hatcher.

02:04:31.460 Okay.

02:04:31.820 I like that.

02:04:32.720 I like that one.

02:04:33.640 No, I do like that one.

02:04:34.460 I do want to keep this.

02:04:35.320 And by the way, I'm saying, you know, thank you for, for having me here because, uh, I

02:04:39.940 do find this to be interesting.

02:04:41.060 I do want to let people know I'm doing another shameless plug here.

02:04:43.460 That's why to get back into the, after, you know, you are here, was here, rest in peace.

02:04:48.040 Um, after that, uh, shut down, you know, I even started back up a new non, like more,

02:04:52.840 more YouTube based, uh, show to talk like this called almost serious.

02:04:56.000 You can type it on YouTube.

02:04:56.880 You guys should subscribe.

02:04:57.540 If you're on YouTube, it's a brand new channel.

02:04:58.740 Please subscribe there because we need to have more conversations like this.

02:05:02.000 And I just wanted to say this to my, my Spurgy followers and the people out there, Tim has

02:05:05.760 been nothing but a good friend, an amazing host and done nothing but platform people.

02:05:10.720 It's the opposite of what you guys will ever lie or say or slander him.

02:05:14.260 He has, he has platformed people to his own financial demise and brought people on that

02:05:18.640 he didn't need to bring on.

02:05:19.580 And you should know that when he brought on Ye and Fuentes, he's not afraid of having

02:05:22.820 people on.

02:05:23.420 And so, um, you know, it is inconvenient to come out to West Virginia.

02:05:26.100 I hope you move to a different city.

02:05:27.260 Um, we all are all hoping that, that, uh, we're not driving three and a half hours into

02:05:31.720 a bunker blindfolded.

02:05:33.020 It's a nice drive.

02:05:33.540 Everybody's blindfold is annoying though.

02:05:35.300 You know, everybody's moving to Nashville.

02:05:37.700 That's where we might be moving our whole operation out of Boca and to Nashville as well.

02:05:40.940 Right.

02:05:41.200 I was telling him like, everybody's telling me this when I said we were going to leave

02:05:43.840 West Virginia, I got messages from like five big prominent YouTubers that said they're

02:05:47.040 moving to Nashville.

02:05:47.760 Sean Ryan's there.

02:05:48.720 Theo Vaughn's there.

02:05:49.580 Candace.

02:05:50.320 Candace, the Daily Wire, obviously.

02:05:51.500 She's obviously starting her network, which we know, we don't know, but you know, Brett Cooper

02:05:55.180 and stuff.

02:05:55.660 That's crazy.

02:05:56.300 It could be, well, dude, have you been?

02:05:58.340 It's a great city.

02:05:59.340 Yeah, I know.

02:05:59.800 It feels like America.

02:06:01.400 Like it's, it doesn't feel like Boca is a, is a economic zone, right?

02:06:05.180 You go to DC, it's an economic zone.

02:06:06.820 I mean, there's culture.

02:06:07.560 I mean, the buildings are beautiful, but like there's no community.

02:06:10.520 You know, Rudyard was wrong when he said that DC would be the capital and he said, he said

02:06:15.220 Austin would be, would be the Patriots capital.

02:06:17.320 It's going to be Nashville.

02:06:18.900 That's possible.

02:06:19.600 Anyway, we do got, we got to start.

02:06:20.860 Oracle building their headquarters there right now.

02:06:22.200 That's what I saw.

02:06:22.840 I mean, that's scary.

02:06:23.420 We're going to start winding down, of course, so smash the like button, share the show with

02:06:26.480 everyone, you know, subscribe.

02:06:27.740 Did you want to get any final thoughts and shout outs?

02:06:29.940 No, that's all I want to say, guys.

02:06:31.060 I know I'm doing the shameless thing, but like we decided, we've been on Rumble for so long

02:06:34.880 and we decided, look, I love being based.

02:06:37.140 You can follow my show Slightly Offensive on there.

02:06:38.700 It's been around for years.

02:06:39.620 You'll love it if you like talking about naughty things you can't talk about on YouTube.

02:06:43.840 That's on Rumble only.

02:06:44.800 We don't even stream on YouTube.

02:06:45.680 We gave up our channel.

02:06:46.800 500,000 subscribers, just shut it down because we don't use it anymore.

02:06:50.140 But we do have Almost Serious on YouTube, which is our new conversational show that is

02:06:53.740 made for YouTube and it's doing, the first episode just launched and a new one launches

02:06:57.120 right now at 12 o'clock Eastern time.

02:06:59.400 And so that's all I want you to do.

02:07:00.800 If you saw this, go subscribe to that new show.

02:07:03.080 Final thoughts, shout outs?

02:07:04.100 Yeah.

02:07:04.440 Well, first, thanks for having me.

02:07:05.820 I also, I want to apologize.

02:07:07.400 I was a little too shady towards you saying you don't have people on.

02:07:10.220 I was wrong about that.

02:07:12.400 I looked into it more and I've seen you have, the reason I said that is because I've seen

02:07:16.080 you had some NPC types on, but you have more than just that.

02:07:19.440 It's a daily show, man.

02:07:20.660 When there's every day you got it, you've got to get winners and losers.

02:07:23.320 So I'm sorry for saying that.

02:07:24.520 I appreciate you having me on in the conversation.

02:07:28.040 Difficult format, but if people want to hear some more of my thoughts or longer form takes

02:07:32.580 on what I think and why I think it, they can check out my podcast, Brad

02:07:35.760 versus everyone or just my YouTube channel, Brad Palumbo.

02:07:39.100 Hell yeah.

02:07:39.860 I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.

02:07:41.340 I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.

02:07:42.880 The band is All That Remains.

02:07:43.820 New record drops one week from today, January 31st.

02:07:47.060 It's called Anti-Fragile.

02:07:48.760 You can go check out some songs on Deezer, YouTube, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Pandora, Spotify.

02:07:55.460 Go to Spotify and pre-save the record right now.

02:07:57.900 And like I said, it's called Anti-Fragile.

02:07:59.180 The band is All That Remains.

02:08:01.100 Don't forget the left lane is for crime.

02:08:02.460 So, you know, what's funny is I was thinking today about these times where some like host

02:08:07.600 has said, we're going on vacation for a few weeks.

02:08:09.580 We'll be back.

02:08:10.440 And you're like, oh, I wonder what they're doing.

02:08:12.020 I wonder why.

02:08:12.800 I'm actually now of the opinion that most of these people aren't on vacation.

02:08:15.980 They're getting dental work done.

02:08:17.980 I mean, it's plastic surgery.

02:08:20.480 A lot of it probably is.

02:08:21.440 It always is.

02:08:22.260 They come back with a new nose or new tits.

02:08:23.920 So for those that haven't heard me say it already, when I was like 12, I got a root canal.

02:08:31.380 It's been 23, 26 years, and now I have to get it extracted.

02:08:37.480 It's just what has to happen.

02:08:39.140 And there's different techniques.

02:08:42.140 There's different operations.

02:08:43.640 We decided, after I've talked to my dentist, that extraction and bone graft followed by

02:08:51.940 implantation is probably the best way to deal with the issue.

02:08:54.340 How much is that?

02:08:55.200 I think it's $9,000.

02:08:58.700 And it takes a year.

02:09:00.680 And so the dentist that we have, this really amazing place, Saronley, I think it's called.

02:09:07.580 And the dentist there was like, I think by Monday you will be good.

02:09:11.100 We were like, Friday's the best time to do it because then by Monday I should be better.

02:09:15.640 And she was saying like, I think you'll be able to talk by then.

02:09:18.300 And we were like, talk or host four hours of live shows on the internet.

02:09:23.740 And it is rough, by the way.

02:09:24.940 I want everyone to know that.

02:09:25.940 I know it's like, it's not that it's a harder job than your job, but just on your throat

02:09:29.160 and your mouth, that's all I meant is it's a...

02:09:30.820 I don't think in a basement in New York, right?

02:09:32.840 I mean, so I told her, I was like, look, you know, we got a big show and a lot of people.

02:09:36.620 And if you get, if I'm healed enough to be able to talk and work by Monday,

02:09:41.100 you will have saved the show.

02:09:42.880 Everyone will be very grateful.

02:09:44.140 And she's like, I think we can get it done.

02:09:45.240 But I got to be honest.

02:09:46.440 I'm looking up the, like, I'm looking it up.

02:09:50.200 The recovery time is one to two weeks.

02:09:53.100 Yeah.

02:09:53.480 It's like, it's, it's surgery.

02:09:55.280 It's not.

02:09:55.880 And it's like your face is swollen.

02:09:57.280 Your eye is black.

02:09:58.160 You're, you're, you have a nose bleed.

02:10:00.040 Do you clone yourself?

02:10:01.300 No.

02:10:01.620 Do you have, well.

02:10:02.240 This guy's going to, going to host when I'm not here.

02:10:04.240 I'll be here.

02:10:05.040 So I may.

02:10:05.860 Holding it down.

02:10:06.240 It'll be all that remains.

02:10:07.500 Yeah.

02:10:08.660 You know?

02:10:09.360 We're good.

02:10:10.160 But I think what may happen is like, I'll pop in and wave to the camera and then you'll

02:10:13.540 see my face just bloated and swollen.

02:10:15.960 And, you know, say, let me, the worst thing about it.

02:10:18.180 I have no symptoms.

02:10:19.140 Can I just tell you of us that I don't think everyone can agree here.

02:10:22.160 Okay.

02:10:22.620 Obviously not being able to afford dental care and getting dental care is a worse combo

02:10:25.780 than being able to afford it.

02:10:26.900 But like, it's one of those things that even if you can afford it easily, it's like when

02:10:31.820 you're, when you sit down and you hear the original, like the drills, like, like, I really,

02:10:36.880 this is, I wish I had some, yeah, where's George Floyd and fentanyl, you know, that's

02:10:39.920 what I feel like at the moment.

02:10:40.860 Look, man, I got, I, I, I have zero dental anxiety.

02:10:43.880 They actually asked me how I was going to form.

02:10:45.020 It's like, do you suffer from these things?

02:10:46.480 And one of them was dental anxiety.

02:10:47.460 I know people do.

02:10:48.180 They like freak out and they shake.

02:10:49.440 And I'm just like, I need gas.

02:10:50.740 I mean, I don't freak out.

02:10:51.420 I just like, I just like, it's, I, I, I didn't, I'm a movie kind of guy.

02:10:53.960 I don't know if you're like that, but like, I can't like sit in a chair still.

02:10:56.300 I got, I got no problems.

02:10:57.960 The only reason I would say there's got to be localized anesthetic.

02:11:00.620 Otherwise I have, it's a reaction.

02:11:01.880 It's like, there's nothing I can do about it.

02:11:03.440 Like pain is pain.

02:11:04.740 You're going to sit through it.

02:11:06.020 There is no escape.

02:11:07.340 So when they said, Hey, look, your root canal has gone bad and there's bone loss.

02:11:11.280 We've got to take it out.

02:11:12.380 I said, okay, let's do it as soon as possible.

02:11:14.160 And they're like next month.

02:11:15.420 And Allison was like, can we do it on Friday?

02:11:17.020 And the doctor was like, Ooh, Friday, it's very soon.

02:11:19.700 And we were like, look, man, I stare down the beast.

02:11:22.980 I'm not going to be afraid.

02:11:23.960 The only reason I'm bringing it up now is because, well, I like to believe that, you

02:11:28.540 know, by Monday I might be talking.

02:11:30.080 Is that transgender surgery instead of transgender?

02:11:32.580 That's right.

02:11:33.240 Taking the graft, putting it on, creating a new.

02:11:35.620 Yeah.

02:11:35.980 They have to, they have to, they have to put the bone graft in so you can do an

02:11:38.060 implant.

02:11:39.260 And I asked, can we not do an implant?

02:11:41.940 And they're like, well, I guess you don't have to, but it really is the best course of

02:11:44.820 action.

02:11:45.640 Cause you know, and I was like, all right, whatever, let's just do it.

02:11:48.480 And I'm going to be sitting down for like two hours as they rip my mouth open and bone

02:11:54.980 graft implantation, suturing.

02:11:57.180 And I'm just saying this because, well, two reasons.

02:11:59.840 One is Phil might have to host IRL for the next week or so, if that really is what happens.

02:12:06.880 But also, I mean, we had Seamus do it when I went down and got a treatment for my, for

02:12:12.220 my, my cartilage thing that was going on my hip and it happens.

02:12:15.200 But, uh, the, the, the real point is, I just want to say to everybody, uh, is to, you must

02:12:20.640 accept your fate.

02:12:22.320 There, uh, you know, I, I, so many people say like, put it off, delayed as long as possible.

02:12:26.900 I'm like, do it all now.

02:12:28.260 Yeah.

02:12:28.580 It's going to hurt.

02:12:29.300 Sure is.

02:12:30.480 There, there is no world by which you can stop what is to come when the immovable force

02:12:34.940 comes.

02:12:35.300 And the reality is I have to get it done.

02:12:37.160 So we'll do it now.

02:12:38.360 I'll sit down, like take a shot of whiskey, whatever you got to do, live your life and

02:12:43.880 face full force.

02:12:44.960 The things that you have to do without complaint, because what else are you going to do about

02:12:49.080 it?

02:12:49.600 There are a lot of people that want to delay the inevitable.

02:12:52.300 Nah, face it down, get it over with, get it done.

02:12:54.920 Do the work you got to do.

02:12:56.040 Thanks for hanging out, everybody.

02:12:57.160 I will not be here tonight.

02:12:58.060 Phil will be hosting IRL.

02:12:59.420 I will be convalesced.

02:13:01.120 And, uh, I appreciate all of your support.

02:13:02.520 I will also stress that, um, I want to thank all of you as members because before we were

02:13:08.060 doing membership at timcast.com, if I, there was a period where I actually had to get a

02:13:12.280 crown put on to repair with the root canal that has now gone bad, uh, had to get it repaired.

02:13:16.460 And I couldn't work for like three or four days.

02:13:18.480 And that's just money's gone.

02:13:21.360 Like it sucks.

02:13:22.320 And you don't know if you're gonna be able to pay the bills, but with members, you guys

02:13:26.680 through thick and thin are, are here making sure the company can, can keep going.

02:13:31.420 And, uh, the best thing about you guys being members for me is that you allow me sick days

02:13:35.380 when I have no choice, but to take time off.

02:13:37.360 So thank you all so much for being members.

02:13:39.040 Thanks for hanging out.

02:13:39.980 And I will see you all.

02:13:41.720 I, I'll pop in Monday if I can't do the show and wave with my swollen face and ice on it.

02:13:46.240 And that's when I'll see you.

02:13:47.220 So I really do appreciate it.

02:13:48.240 And we'll see y'all next time.

02:13:57.600 Hey, Ma.

02:13:58.480 Yeah.

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02:14:01.200 Yes.

02:14:01.960 Oh, so many memories.

02:14:04.180 I think about it all the time.

02:14:05.760 Yeah.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - January 24, 2025

American Culture vs Economics, H1-B & Immigration DEBATE w⧸ Elijah Schaffer & Brad Polumbo

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