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00:05:00.180It's affecting, I mean, it isn't affecting apparently the very rich.
00:05:04.100um they're getting their pools cleaned really cheap now not even a little slime on the pools
00:05:10.280anymore um but but community after community is just is just overwhelmed by not only people who
00:05:17.300are overwhelmingly bad for our country um they were bad for their own countries that's why their
00:05:23.600countries failed um you have people who are not used to living with freedom they're used to
00:05:30.440authoritarian governments being bossed around. They certainly have, I mean, even the British
00:05:35.820don't understand our commitment to free speech. Forget about, you know, a Ugandan. And they're1.00
00:05:42.580bad for the communities. They aren't blending with the culture. It just seems to me, we were
00:05:48.760talking about, the friend of mine was talking about Red Adair today, this totally cool guy who
00:05:52.960put out the fires, really macho thing during the first Iraq war, back under first President Bush.1.00
00:06:00.080And I just feel like that whole spirit of our country is kind of dying or being overwhelmed by a lazy welfare recipient receiving, scamming third worlders, as we've seen with the Somalis and just the massive welfare use, the massive scams on Medicare and Medicaid.0.99
00:06:22.140And what was so great about our country, even when, you know, maybe technically the GDP wasn't that high, was that it was a country on the go. It was building, it was creating, it was, you know, car manual, well, starting with the pioneers conquering the West and dangerous Indian territory and drilling for oil.1.00
00:06:44.560when who knew if cars would come in, they'd put up gas stations, we're going to bet on cars being
00:06:49.480the next method of transportation. You had all of these risk takers. And I mean, you do see that,
00:06:55.340but the only place you see it now is in Silicon Valley, it seems to me, that general industry.
00:06:59.880I asked one of my friends out there, why is it that the only innovation, the only new stuff and
00:07:06.660power and excitement is coming out of Silicon Valley? And he said, it's because politicians
00:07:13.500didn't quite understand it, so they didn't know how to regulate it. And, you know, that's the
00:07:18.660country we're heading for, just stagnant, getting poorer and poorer, and Republicans will take
00:07:23.740turns managing the decline. So yes, Trump needs to get back to, whoa, shutting down immigration
00:07:29.900and mass deportations, finishing the wall. We built any of it. No more stupid, pointless wars.
00:07:35.860We don't want to be the world's policeman. I don't know how many times Americans have to vote on that.1.00
00:07:39.760and to the extent that it's possible with robots coming in, bringing manufacturing home.
00:07:47.120I totally agree. And, you know, this is kind of the thing with Trump is,
00:07:50.580you know, he kind of has leeway to conduct, you know, operations, you know, spend political
00:07:55.360capital that would be sort of unpopular with the base if he delivers, you know, bigly to use his
00:08:00.700word on immigration. Because, I mean, to your point, everyone can kind of sense it. I've noticed
00:08:05.340that maybe people can't quite articulate it. And this is like leftists will kind of jump on this.
00:08:09.760and they'll be like, well, you know, he's advocating for mass deportations, but I asked
00:08:13.000my, you know, my neighbor and they just complained about only illegal immigration or whatever.
00:08:16.220And it's like, because everyday people can't quite articulate specifically what's going
00:08:20.900on, but they are sensing what you're sensing, which is sort of that frontier culture, right?
00:08:25.040That pioneering culture, you know, the culture that put a flag on the moon.
00:08:28.180Everyone's kind of looking around and they're like, that's gone.
00:08:56.520This is why I'm not, you know, I'm hesitant.
00:08:58.680I mean, I'm a defender of the president, but I'm hesitant to just declare, you know, pop
00:09:02.420the champagne over immigration because it's like, no, people are desperate.
00:09:05.860I mean, people are very impatient and they have the right to be impatient because, again, when I go to Costco, you know, it feels like I'm on some sort of like U.N. humanitarian mission.
00:09:16.860Yes. Yes. And I've always wondered why.
00:09:21.020I mean, I think a lot of my ability to see what was happening with immigration as well as Stephen Miller and others is having lived in Los Angeles.
00:09:34.300and I never understood why, you know, I'd go to a nice state like, well, this was back in 20040.85
00:09:42.760before the Somalis really, really moved in in force. But back to Wisconsin, I was doing speeches0.99
00:09:49.700for Mitt Romney, I guess that would have been in 2012. And what was striking about Wisconsin back
00:09:58.560and I'm sure, you know, at least a dozen other states was, it was like you were living in 1950s
00:10:04.940America. They still had blockbusters. And okay, you guys don't understand how immigration,
00:10:10.680mass third world immigration is going to change your world. But do you have any friends1.00
00:10:17.120in Minnesota where you can talk to them about the Somali surge? Do you have any friends in0.99
00:10:22.980Los Angeles or Texas, it completely changes the culture. And yes, of course, we can assimilate.
00:10:29.600We're very good at assimilating, but not when they're coming in, in these multi-million
00:10:35.200tranches of people. They create their own little ghettos within the country and they change us1.00
00:10:41.920instead of us changing them. I think what you say about the descendants of the pioneers1.00
00:10:47.340is that, you know, even people who would like to go out and create and work and would be appalled
00:10:54.140that they or any of their descendants or relatives ever took a hand out from the government,
00:10:59.500you start to get kind of discouraged and think, man, am I the only person not scamming the
00:11:04.680government? And by the way, I don't think you are. So keep being honorable, freedom-loving
00:11:11.020Americans. But yeah, after just every time the Democrats get in, they're bringing in
00:11:18.180millions of third worlders. And I don't know, so far, Trump has technically deported only about
00:11:23.780800,000. Well, okay, it's going to take 100 years just to get back to the status quo ante
00:11:29.400from the end of the Biden administration. Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, that was the
00:11:34.280estimate from the vice president. I remember when he was stumping, he was saying 30 million
00:11:38.120illegal immigrants. And it's like, that's again, that's the that's the number that was given to
00:11:42.120them with, you know, the quantified you can track down that number is correct. The actual number is
00:11:47.900probably much higher because, you know, a lot of these people that are undocumented, you know,
00:11:50.440so to speak, I'm using that term precisely here, have no documentation, we don't know who these
00:11:54.100people are, probably 23, 30 million more. And then in addition to that, I mean, this entire I don't
00:11:59.240know how you feel about this, this entire wave of immigration post heart seller, we need to take a
00:12:03.460second look at all these people. I mean, there's some people that came in and they're good, you
00:12:06.640You know, they've assimilated, they've bought into the, you know, the American nation, you
00:12:19.320I remembered, you know, to get really granular here, I remembered some of my classmates and
00:12:24.160they would be like second, third generation immigrants from Ecuador, like Ecuador.
00:12:28.100And, you know, their grandparents came here.
00:12:29.580But in their Instagram bio, they would still have the Ecuadorian flag.
00:12:32.600And I'm like, that's a little just a little indicator that says, hey, I still view myself as other.
00:12:38.320I still view myself as outside that core American population.
00:12:41.820And that's why I'm like, you know, everyone I think we've talked about before.0.54
00:12:44.580Everyone in the GOP can chess beat over illegal immigration.0.76
00:12:48.460Heck, most a lot of Democrats would agree with you on deporting illegal immigrants.0.92
00:12:52.320But the legal immigration is really what's hurting people.0.99
00:12:54.720Like I lived in Fort Wayne, Indiana for a little bit.0.98
00:12:57.400It's like there's Burmese people, people that came from Burma.
00:12:59.960right? They came from Myanmar and they've changed a lot of these neighborhoods. They have all their1.00
00:13:04.000paperwork. They're good. They're not here illegally. They, they, they had official paperwork
00:13:07.740signed. That's why the term paperwork American came, came about. And it's because these people
00:13:12.360other themselves, like this isn't us like picking on them. This isn't like a racial thing. This is
00:13:16.600to say, again, legal immigration is actually harming people a lot more because again, these0.53
00:13:21.780people can get jobs and displace you from your jobs. These people can, you know, buy homes.
00:13:25.400These people can participate in the American economy without actually buying into the American
00:13:29.140nation. Yes. Well, technically, Adios America was mostly about legal immigration. I can't stand
00:13:36.460this idea that, oh, we love legal immigrants. What people are doing, I mean, Americans are nice
00:13:44.260people and they don't want to be insulting to their neighbors who are legal immigrants. Okay,
00:13:49.580fine. You're all really nice people, but still, when you can't say something out loud, you become
00:13:57.740unable to think it. And you really need to think about this. Since the 1965 Immigration Act, 90%
00:14:07.160of our legal immigrants have been from the third world. As you point out, there is no sense of1.00
00:14:14.660allegiance to this country. There's a beautiful quote at the beginning of my book from Justice
00:14:18.600Brandeis at, I think it was called, Americanization Day. Yeah, that would be a hate crime today.
00:14:26.900But I can't remember the exact quote, but he said, becoming an American is more than adopting the customs, the wardrobe, the habits of Americans.
00:14:37.780It means loving with all your heart this country.
00:14:44.860And we absolutely are not getting that.
00:14:47.300I mean, I've talked to his, you probably have people whose parents or grandparents were immigrants, you know, from Germany, from England.
00:14:58.260And one, for example, from the side of his family from England, he asked one time, you know, something about, you know, wasn't granddad a lord?
00:15:10.360and his parents said no we don't talk about about that here we don't have lords we don't have that
00:15:17.240system we're living in we don't even talk about it anymore um and i've heard many similar stories
00:15:23.420from you know immigrants from from italy and and ireland and and germany and so on
00:15:29.020well we don't have that anymore i mean leftist groups actually say it's a hate crime
00:15:34.400to talk about assimilating immigrants. We should be assimilating to them. Well, their cultures
00:15:40.500are disaster zones. They really are trying to destroy this country by what makes a country1.00
00:15:49.060a country. It was just a landmass for, oh, who knows, 5,000 words. And yet the Indians hadn't
00:15:55.760done much with it. It took the settlers coming here to create what is this magnificent country.
00:16:05.520So how do you ruin it? You change who the people are, overwhelm them. You can take a beautiful,0.96
00:16:11.920expensive bottle of French wine. And if you pour the wine out and fill it with vinegar,
00:16:17.860doesn't matter what the label says. What you got is a bottle of vinegar. And that's what we're
00:16:22.680doing, and people have to get over this idea. It's weird, particularly after all of the anger,
00:16:30.680justified anger, with college students and professors cheering on October 7th,
00:16:38.860the October 7th Israel attack. Those are all legal immigrants. You still don't get it?1.00
00:16:49.280Yeah. A lot of those people were like not just born here, their parents were born here. I mean, it's like the level of of rot is quite unbelievable. And then, I mean, you touched on it. Also, what's crazy is the entire immigration system is like completely warped. It's it's it disincentivizes good people from coming here and incentivizes bad people to come here.
00:17:08.320I mean, I think Trump had an old tweet. It was Donald Trump, an old tweet where he was kind of lambasting the fact that, you know, his, you know, I think it was Melania, you know, coming from Europe was really getting roughed up by immigration authorities. You know, her visa process is taking forever. It was like borderline impossible for a year. And I know this anecdotally from talking to a lot of my friends from Britain or Germany or people that would pretty much seamlessly immigrate, like, you know, seamlessly assimilate into the country.
00:17:30.500um they have to jump through so many hoops to get to this country i mean it's unbelievable
00:17:35.420takes years etc etc but then you'll meet someone that moved here from el salvador or guatemala
00:17:40.460and it's like i don't know yeah i can just showed up and they gave me a piece of paperwork and then
00:17:43.940like gave me a you know a bit of welfare backing and now i can live in queens and you're like what
00:17:48.980no i've people should notice this talk to anyone any legal immigrants and it's like0.60
00:17:58.540um dante's inner circle of hell that they went through um often you will find i've noticed in0.72
00:18:05.460elections that um that's interesting everyone thought you know hispanics they're like they're0.82
00:18:11.160a monolithic group the way frankly black voters are oh no no no no no not only no hispanic calls
00:18:19.860himself hispanic they call themselves as you say ecuadoran mexican puerto rican cuban they're very0.91
00:18:26.320proud of their specific. And the idea that, I don't know, a Dominican in New York has any
00:18:34.600sympathy for an illegal alien Mexican, it's a fiction. It was a fiction created by the Democratic0.93
00:18:40.780Party and apparently believed by every Republican political consultant. But I will notice that in
00:18:47.240areas with a lot of, that's sort of a side note, with a lot of legal immigrants, Hispanic or not,0.67
00:18:53.420But they're totally down with Trump's immigration program, more than you and I are because of what, number one, what they went through to become legal emitters. Number two, they left those countries for a reason. They were trying to get away from those bums and come to a successful country. If you bring all those bums in, why did they bother moving?0.93
00:19:16.440Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And I guess to kind of get to the kind of the kind of thing we talked1.00
00:19:22.260about at the top of the show, I mean, this is what freaks me out is seeing the direction the
00:19:26.100GOP is going for two reasons is the kind of, I guess you would say more right wing side,
00:19:32.040you know, the more, you know, I hate the term far right because, you know, there's barely anyone in
00:19:36.100this country actually far right. I consider it the moderate middle. Yeah, I know. Exactly. I'm
00:19:41.420like, you know, what these people are reading Spangler every day. No, no, they're not. They're
00:19:44.560not far right like give me give me a break uh but you know these people that i guess you say are
00:19:48.980more hard line on some of these issues um some of the ideas that they're proposing now i'm like is
00:19:53.760this gonna be my two options where one option in in the future for the gop is like the vivek
00:19:58.540ramaswamy where he just came out and he said like he basically reheated the ronald reagan line but
00:20:03.220like made it even worse where he was like he he said you know an italian you know you can't just
00:20:07.560move to italy and become an italian you can't move to france but you can become france you can move
00:20:10.320to American and become American coming from a guy named Vivek Ramaswamy who the only thing really
00:20:15.780truly American about him is his accent and then everything about he's like he's Hindu you know0.55
00:20:19.560his kids have non you know American names like everything about him is oh this guy failed to1.00
00:20:24.500assimilate um that's gonna be my one option could I just say I'm just very resentful over people
00:20:29.940who are not descended from settlers informing us yeah I'm as American as you are well settle down
00:20:37.520skippy yeah yeah welcome welcome glad to have you but knock this off about how anybody can become
00:20:43.380an american well that's that's been the pretend policy since since 1965 and like i say if you
00:20:49.900let them in in tiny tiny little groups um yes yes we can turn them into americans but not when you0.73
00:20:57.920have entire ghettos of i you probably know and actually a lot of the the arab immigrants in0.77
00:21:04.820in michigan came pre-1970 interestingly enough um those were the highly educated
00:21:11.200yeah uh middle eastern immigrants we got we used to get you know doctors and scientists and it's0.95
00:21:17.380the post-1970 immigrants that we think of as the um potentially terroristic cab drivers no they
00:21:24.780used to be you know slick well-dressed well-spoken that's a lot of the arab community in in michigan1.00
00:21:31.220And by, you know, since 1970, some of the dregs have come in.1.00
00:21:35.300And there are street signs in Arabic in Detroit, as we call Detroit.1.00
00:21:57.020I was debating Myra Flores on the show.
00:21:59.160and like her entire conceptualization of what an American is, is like, they love freedom and
00:22:03.540liberty. I'm like, that's like, and they're Christian. I'm like, or they're no, she said
00:22:06.740religious, the religion, they love God, they love freedom, they love liberty. I'm like, that's like
00:22:10.52090% of the world. So you're basically just dividing the world between Americans and future0.88
00:22:14.780Americans. Like, thank you. I can just vote for the Democrats if I want that. Yeah, thank you very0.95
00:22:19.060much. So that's gonna be my one option. And then the other option I have now this new emerging,
00:22:23.760you know, based, right? We're the beast, right? You know, like, these guys are clowns. They're
00:22:28.180like, hey, in order to effectively get back at Israel, we need to ally with the third world to0.99
00:22:34.640again, like, you know, to like sort of, what's the word kind of cut off our relationship with0.77
00:22:39.580Israel. And instead of again, sort of presenting the case why and pushing voters in that direction,
00:22:45.260if that's like their political aim, they're like, let's ally with the third world, let's ally with
00:22:50.280the left, because they're saying the same thing on one point, which the conclusion for that's
00:22:55.460going to be obvious. They're just going to like not go to bat on migration. Look, you know, if
00:22:58.900you're allied on one issue, what you really think all these, you know, you know, Mahmoud Khalil is
00:23:03.280going to turn around and be like, yeah, we really need a tight border. That's what we really need.0.58
00:23:07.240Those are going to be my two options in the future. As I see it, I'm just not really seeing
00:23:10.860anyone that's serious, like no one that's serious. And I'm not saying Trump, but Trump is like a once
00:23:16.600in a lifetime kind of thing. Everyone's trying to be the next Trump. And it's like, no, what we
00:23:21.840need next is someone that's serious, that's cutthroat, that like knows what to do, and that's
00:23:26.000focused. And right now, everyone's lost focus. Everyone just wants to be entertained or placated.
00:23:31.260And I'm just like, oh my gosh. A few things about that. For one thing, I'm so glad I am not in
00:23:35.060these corners of the internet that you describe. I have not come across that at all. Although I
00:23:43.180think it's rather stupid. Some Republicans are whistling past the graveyard to say, oh,1.00
00:23:48.100you can't believe what you there's the twitter world and the real world i heard somebody a
00:23:52.520republican saying that on uh cnn the other day that you know the online world versus the offline
00:23:58.700world and um well there's two ways of interpreting that is um one is the online world is everyone
00:24:05.260under 60 yeah that's true um but it's also true that that you know most most people have jobs0.97
00:24:14.640um families children little league games they're not constantly posting idiotic memes so i wouldn't0.98
00:24:22.480be too afraid of um you know snotty little teenage boys what they post online maybe i'm the one0.98
00:24:31.320whistling past the graveyard here but i i think i think i'm sorry to say this but to quote ronald
00:24:38.480reagan um you can always trust the american people by which i mean the american people
00:24:46.400yeah we all know like what the american people are it's true yeah it's it's the uh what someone
00:24:52.780made this point it's like be the american that the japanese think you every time you see a
00:24:56.340depiction of like americans and like japanese media it's always like my name's jack johnson
00:25:00.640and i have like a blonde flat top and and i was in the army it's like yes be the american the
00:25:06.120Japanese think we are. That's great. Yeah, yeah. So, but it's so true. And I'm just like,
00:25:12.680looking at this, and I don't know, it's just, I think, you know, whatever problems there are
00:25:17.420with the Trump era, I agree. But I'm just looking at the post Trump GOP. And I'm quite frankly,
00:25:22.760I'm not too excited about what's coming. The one thing I'm, sometimes I'm optimistic,
00:25:29.840Sometimes I'm pessimistic. But the optimistic side is, I mean, one thing that Trump, thanks to my book, Adios America, has changed completely and forever is the public is now woke on the issue, as liberals would say, on the issue of immigration.
00:25:47.060to see i i mean i was banned from fox news for adios america now they're basically reading from
00:25:55.960it yeah elon musk every tweet could be it's often a line or a joke directly from adios america um
00:26:04.360don't know if the book could have done it by itself but once trump read it and ran on on the
00:26:08.620issue i don't think you can put that genie back in the bottle i agree so whatever whom ever the
00:26:14.680next Republican candidate is. And no, no one's going to be Trump. Don't try to be Trump. You
00:26:20.620should never try to be somebody else, whether you're a political figure, an author. Imitation
00:26:26.140never works. But particularly in the case of someone as idiosyncratic as Donald Trump,
00:26:31.660for good and bad, the next Republican, great Republican is not going to be
00:26:38.040anything like Trump, as long as they're good on immigration. I would say also,
00:26:43.960you know, really means it when he says no more pointless wars, that would be fantastic.
00:26:50.520And yeah, I don't know. I think this war is doing a lot, a lot, a lot of damage to the
00:26:55.300Republican Party. So I am a little worried about the next couple election cycles.
00:27:00.780I agree. And this is where I break, you know, from a lot of, you know, more vocal opponents
00:27:04.380of Donald Trump is, I mean, I agree. I'm still skeptical that this, I mean, I've been against
00:27:10.760the war from day one. But in addition to that, even if I were to accept that, OK, the war is0.88
00:27:14.800happening, let's get the best outcome possible, which I did fall into that camp. I'm looking and0.53
00:27:18.780I'm like, guys, this is this is going to leave us in a worse spot than we were before for a variety
00:27:23.780of reasons. I mean, one, you can point to the foreign policy, but also, yeah, again, the Trump
00:27:28.480base. Now he has a lot of ground to make up on domestic issues if he even wants to sort of win
00:27:33.720a lot of those more disaffected voters back over. And I know everyone's saying, well, the base is
00:27:38.180still intact. You know, some polling indicates that. But again, look at the Republican and
00:27:42.860Democrat party are both losing registered voters. Like the independent bloc of the country is
00:27:46.800growing more and more and more. You're going to have to win those people over. And immigration
00:27:50.920is the issue. This is why I make this point. Immigration is the issue, whether your pet issue0.96
00:27:55.220is foreign policy, whether it's abortion, whether it's a gay marriage, whether it's, you know,
00:27:59.280whatever, it's all derivatives of immigration. Because if we don't have the demographic core
00:28:02.760to elect right-wing politicians, then the rest of that doesn't matter, quite frankly.
00:28:07.000Yes. Every issue gets easier to solve if you fix immigration. Every issue we lose on if we don't fix immigration. You know, as for these polls on the MAGA base, maybe this is fanciful, but I do wonder, I think the question should not be, are you MAGA?
00:28:27.860But were you MAGA in 2016? Because if you're really angry and feel like you've been betrayed by Trump with this pointless war and kind of dropping the ball on the big issue, immigration, are you still calling yourself MAGA?
00:28:46.700So it's almost like self-defining those people who are part of the cult and will support Trump if he governs like Kamala Harris would have. Yes, whatever he does, it's 3D chess. Somehow we'll pull it off. And if that's your mentality, you're going to keep calling yourself MAGA. If you're thinking, wow, this guy betrayed me, you're probably not calling yourself MAGA anymore.
00:29:09.400Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. I mean, because, you know, there's some polling like within the Republican Party that are still like, you know, support for the war in the 80s. But I'm like, that's mostly people over 65. And if Orban's anything to go with, when you lose young right wingers, the actual projection of, you know, your future, your political future for your movement is quite grim. I mean, Orban demonstrated that if you speak to young Hungarian right wingers, they weren't too thrilled with them. And I liked Orban. I liked a lot of his policies. But there's truth of that. Like, again, you can only define yourself in what you're against for so long.
00:29:38.380Eventually, you've got to give something like, okay, this is what I want to see in the future.
00:29:42.940And that's what the conservative movement, I think, is just running out.