Antifa Is A Terror Organization, Crackdown Coming As Leftists Defend Violence w⧸ Nick Sortor, Andy Ngo, James Klug & Richie McGinniss
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In this episode of Culture War, we talk all about Antifa, terrorism, and what's going on in the U.S. with the far-left in general. We're joined by author Andy Ngo, author Richie McGinnis, and Nick Sorter of the Post Millennial to discuss what's been going on with Antifa over the past several years.
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I'm filling in for Tim Poole this week on Culture War.
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terrorism, and what's going on in the United States with the left.
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And I was on the ground for a lot of this stuff in 2020.
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Andy, you know, was this week in the White House
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at the amazing roundtable with President Trump.
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My name's Andy Goh, author of the book Unmasked.
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but I had the privilege of giving it to the president
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And I'm also a senior editor at the Post Millennial.
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It's a pleasure to be here with Trump's next Antifa czar,
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No Comment is a fantastic name for a blog bio, by the way.
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Definitely grateful to be here to discuss Antifa
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I'm a YouTuber focusing on political commentary
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You guys all have a lot of expertise in ground reporting,
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in research, in what's been going on with the far left
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And we've really seen in the second Trump administration
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What do you attribute this resurgence in attention
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We saw the first ever round table at the White House
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the president sit down with independent journalists
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The Biden administration shut independent journalists out,
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I think revoked something like 400 press passes.
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So the violence against ICE has started since June.
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It includes a coalition that has many of the same people
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and open borders extremists have been brought into that coalition.
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by members, allegedly, of a North Texas Antifa cell.
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Some of them were also members of a John Brown gun club,
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there was allegedly a group of 16 to 17 of them
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was on the run and was found almost two weeks later.
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And I think what really pushed it through the line
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was, I believe, the assassination of Charlie Cook.
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They may not be familiar with that Italian folk song,
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being sort of, I guess, shocked into this round table
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And I mean, they picked some great people to go.
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And then, you know, I think one of the catalysts to,
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like, a lot has happened over the past 10 days,
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down incredibly low right and then you see with
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the with ICE because that's been so rah rah from
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applying for that military recruitment is up but
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it to happen and wants to take a sledgehammer to
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the entire thing I mean I think it's I think it's
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excuse me the State Department could designate the
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International Antifa as an FTL foreign terrorist
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organization basically all the anti-terror legislation
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that exists in the US is in the post 9-11 context so
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they're thinking of Al-Qaeda that type of context but
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that's what the legislation is however Antifa is an
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international movement and they even though they are
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decentralized they the American Antifa share tactics and
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strategies with the Europeans and vice versa targets of
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violence targets of infrastructure to attack and when
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one of them commits acts of violence they're celebrated as a
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hero Willem van Sponsen a Belgian-American who shot up the
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ice facility in Tacoma in 2019 and died in that attack he is
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celebrated by the Antifa in Europe there's a mural to him in
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Athens Greece yeah do they celebrate Charlie Kirk's killer as well
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I haven't seen that yet because I think Tyler Robinson as far as I know
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wasn't active in a protest network or scene locally whereas
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Willem van Sponsen was he had built up relationships with
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comrades so yeah the FTO destination can do a lot I mean then individuals could be
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sanctioned and international Antifa they have a whole recruiting website
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people can go on it right now and it gives instructions on hey if you're if
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you're in the US look at the torch Antifa network that Rose City Antifa in
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Portland by the way is part of that if you're in France look at La Horde if
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you're in this country look here and they also link to the international Antifa
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defense fund and mr. Mark Bray who is an academic at Rutgers he's a teacher of
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history who wrote the Antifa handbook he is a financier of international Antifa he
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denied that I don't know how he can deny it when it's in the first few pages of
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this Antifa handbook that the proceeds from that book are going to go to this
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defense fund which aids criminal suspects and violent Antifa members
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internationally well he's he's fled the US now allegedly on this pretext this is
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according to him on the pretext of him receiving death threats I don't believe
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that he's been in the public eye defending Antifa for years going back to at least
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2017 if he's received pushback or threats or anything which I condemn by the
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way it would be nothing new I believe he's fled the US he's fled to Spain I
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believe because he's concerned about criminal prosecutions if the State
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Department was to designate Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization and he is
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on record giving money to international Antifa so would that actually make a
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difference in your opinion let's say it does become a foreign terrorist
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organization and you have you know the Open Societies Foundation
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foundation dumping money into these various Antifa groups and whoever funds
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say Rose City Antifa for example you know can you go after them criminally for
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funding a foreign terrorist organization here are some ways where it can
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immediately impact so the whole on the Antifa sites like Rose City Antifa a number
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of them or the Rose Rose City counter info blog which is the Antifa blog that's putting
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up this event calling for people to use the lasers their whole infrastructure in a number
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of anarchist extremist websites is based overseas they do do that so it's out of the reach of
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American control like it can't be shut down it's based usually in Europe like if Antifa was an FTO
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then now it opens up way more legal avenues and resources for the US to treat I mean it would be
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international terrorism in that regard that's an immediate impact I can think of domestically
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there's still a lot that Antifa can do without the international connection obviously when they
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organize as organized at the cell level it's very local they're on on a signal group for a particular
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direct action riot and then it's the message is self-delete and I know this type of stuff because
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I followed the the SoCal Antifa trial in San Diego very closely um last year and it led it was
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California that broke up an Antifa cell I mentioned this at the White House um uh table event and people
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aren't familiar with it prosecutors in San Diego County successfully in the only time in history that
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broke up an Antifa cell because they identified members of this group 12 charged all 12 of them
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most of them were charged with felony conspiracy that was the charge they used and that's what I
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recommended to the DOJ what the DOJ can use use because there are federal conspiracy charges
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there's racketeering this is a lot of it is organized crime and so it's but it's going to be really hard I
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mean they have the Antifa are instructed so well you know have burner phones pay for things with cash um
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don't have your contacts saved obviously don't even bring phones they have like a very sophisticated way
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to sort of mask all of their organizing but it can be uncovered I mean the North Texas Antifa cell is
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being prosecuted right now for that ambush shooting and so I I urge people to pay very close attention to
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that because the national media won't I want to ask you we actually have breaking news oh um if we
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could bring this up uh Benny Johnson posted this an individual has been arrested for threatening to kill
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my wife my four children and me he sent a letter to my home saying he hated our views and wanted us dead
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he's being charged federally and faces prison time um he goes on to thank the president and the
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department of justice for um getting this this guy arrested but it looks like this guy was linked to
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Antifa we can one month ago today I witnessed my friend of 10 years someone who I considered a brother
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a loving husband a devoted father a generational leader
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get assassinated on a live stream by a left-wing radical approximately one year ago
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I witnessed the president of the United States get shot in the head by a left-wing radical
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who also took the life of a transporter in front of his daughters and wife two months ago
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Christian children kneeling and praying in a church were slaughtered by a left-wing extremist
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and two weeks ago federal law enforcement was shot at multiple sniper rounds in a federal facility
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by a left-wing extremist if it's happening every single week is it that extreme
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or has the Democrat party mainstreamed violence as a political tool
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the individual who wrote me described why he wanted me dead
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they described in great detail how I would be killed in an open field just like Charlie
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how much blood would come out of my head and neck when it was blown off
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this individual described orphaning my four beautiful children and widowing my wife
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so we actually have a little background on who this guy was and I know that the post-millennial
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uh just um just just published this so we can take a look at that story
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bondi came up to us after the antifa roundtable um showing like a lot of concern about us talking
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about death threats she was I mean she definitely she seemed very I don't know her personally I
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didn't know her before the trump administration um she seemed very concerned and very serious yeah I'm
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glad that she was concerned um yeah so Pam Bondi announced the federal charges against the left-wing
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radical who threatened to kill commentator Benny Johnson this is from Thomas Stevenson of the post-millennial
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she said that George Isbell Jr. who sent the letter said he hated Benny because of his views
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and he wanted Benny Benny dead and she answered questions about the ideology of the person who was sent the
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letter she said that it was a left-wing radical who had sent the letter threatening to kill
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Johnson uh are we going to see more political assassination attempts um we did just see the
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man who was convicted of trying to assassinate Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh he got only eight
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years after uh saying that he was a woman and he was like transitioning in jail and she was like oh we feel
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bad for you now you should only get eight years um is that that kind of uh lack of actual
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punishment is that kind of um uh tolerance for political assassination attempts what are we what
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are we looking at is this going to keep going didn't George Santos get seven years for what he did
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you know just for example talked to him right before he went to jail that's crazy I still think that's
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nuts how many Republicans voted seven years voted to kick him out of Congress that was nuts and
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Mike Johnson was even convicted Mike Johnson told all of them to vote your conscience no dude that's not
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what you trust me he this guy doesn't like me he hates me and I don't care I mean you still come
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out and say that that's ridiculous but so he gets seven years he gets seven years and and uh and the
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guy that you're talking about I don't I don't remember the guy who uh Nicholas Roski oh who is who
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tried to the Sophie now yeah yeah whatever right we haven't talked about the radicalization on
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trons yet that's we haven't a whole nother discussion we can bring that up but we should have
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talked about that but but I am I am glad that I was looking at more of this yeah I was with Benny
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when he got this call uh and he you could tell he was getting like emotional over the fact that they
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actually found the guy and they were able to arrest him he got the call while we were in Portland
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embedded with uh with Christy Noem uh and yeah I was I was glad to see how excited Pam Bondi was when
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she was talking to us about this at the round table and she actually she knew about the swatting
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situation because my parents have been swatted you know they try to find me they can't find me so
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they keep going after my family and uh and I I said yeah I mean it's it's still a problem and we
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haven't found out who's who's doing it she's like Cash here now Cash comes over and we start talking
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about it and he's like okay well here's my here's my uh my chief of staff give him a call we're going
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to find out who did this I promise you that and she's like yeah I mean the FBI has the resources to do
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it they have the ability to do it and they're going to do it well I'm glad they're finally
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getting serious about this stuff I used to work with the Federalist and I would write for them
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and all of the women at one point all of the women at the Federalist were getting
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incessant crazy phone calls in the dead of night from someone just saying you know I'm gonna kill
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you and I'm leaving voicemails you're scum you're Nazi scum and I'm gonna take your head off and all
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of this stuff and I went to the I was like has anybody else been getting these calls and all of them
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yes we're all getting the calls you have to alert the FBI I never heard anything about it and
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eventually the calls stopped but they were terrifying I mean it would be one o'clock in
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the morning my phone would ring just be sitting there watching Star Trek and I'd just be terrified
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you know it was very effective and they're normalizing it at this point you know even the
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the uh in the state next door you have that person the front runner for attorney general over
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there just being like yeah well some of them have to die that's that's how this has to work that's the
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only way that yeah he thought yeah his idea is that if you're not touched personally you're not
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going to change policy and so you may as well end up dead yeah referring to his children yeah this was
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the ag j the ag nominee jay jones and last night in the virginia gubernatorial debate um abigail
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spandberger refused to pull her endorsement she was just like oh everyone should vote how they want
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and winsome earl sears was like are you crazy how can you not back how can you back this guy yeah it's not
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just it's not just being normalized it's it's being like celebrated and they're fawning over
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the idea of violence against their opposition and that that's really the big difference here is
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because you'll get psychopaths that are right wing but nobody on the right's like awesome that's so
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amazing you're not seeing thousands of people taking it to social media celebrating these things
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no they killed charlie and we all went out into the street and prayed for a week straight that was
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the response right that was the response and i i was actually interviewing the cleftists and they were
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bringing up uh i don't know why this one girl that i was talking to she was actually at the memorial
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protesting charlie kirk because she thought that was a reasonable thing to be doing and she brought up
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uh george floyd and i'm like you know why would you bring up the response after george or george floyd
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in general and thinking that's a good you know comparison there the the response after george floyd
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because they turned this guy into a martyr was mass violence on a scale we haven't seen in decades
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and just see how the the not just the right but just the american people and people that aren't
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absolutely insane responded to charlie kirk's death yeah week weeks of vigils and prayer and all of that
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and there there is a serious difference between the two parties right now when it comes to
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their reaction to things like that and what they're egging on and that's that's really the
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dangerous thing is this this assassination culture that they're really so much of the base a horrifying
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percentage of the democrat base is is encouraging and cheering on thinks political violence is a way
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to deal with things and of course charlie's um you know suspected assassin did have a there was a trans
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component to his story right and i think andy i'm really glad you brought up trantifa because i think
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that we should talk about that what is this the relationship between trans and antifa what's going on
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there well antifa are time and context specific so for a number of years they latched on to blm because
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there was a whole system that pumped out lies day in and day out about white supremacy and blacks being
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genocided by law enforcement well blm's fallen a bit out of vogue they've had a number of financial
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scandals that were embarrassing to the organization people aren't really giving money to them
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there also haven't been really super high profile cases like george floyd since 2020 that have been
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caught in video and have been exploited to that same type of extent so the next thing though has been
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trans there's over the last four years lots of protests in like for and against trans radicalism in a
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number of states um trans militants and activists mainstream activists in response to a number of
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republican-led states placing restrictions on the transitioning of children have said that they
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are now victims of an ongoing trans genocide are encouraging one another to join far-left militias
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like john brown gun club or the socialist rifle association stockpile weapons and be prepared for
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anti-government action and be prepared to kill fascists and transphobes and they
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are pumped with that propaganda in the mainstream and on their radical networks day in and day out
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i believe that mental health comorbidities plays a factor in the extremism and i think hormones
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cross-sex hormones may as well you put all that together we're now experiencing a number of mass
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shootings by trans people that was an unknown phenomenon 10 years ago and now we're seeing it
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yearly it seems like that's the reaction like a natural reaction to painting everything that the
01:49:14.700
right wing does as violence like even silence is violence right for the right and so it seems as
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though that just continues to go that direction of every single thing that they do every single
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position that they hold is violence i think was isn't there a catchphrase for basically every single
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position that conservatives hold or punch a nazi in the face there you go yeah they're a nazi punch
01:49:35.260
him in the face there you go okay but punch a nazi was like a big way that they normalized just
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violence against conservatives because it was punch a nazi and then conservatives are nazis so punch
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conservatives and christians are nazis so punch christians the transgenocide thing though um you
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know they just throw that out there is there a basis for it absolutely not uh we recognize that guy
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uh is there a basis for it absolutely not in fact the i don't know if you guys have this number but
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the last time i did the number on the people that identify as trans that community within the united
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states their murder rate is like one fourth of the general population's murder rate so they're
01:50:12.960
actually less likely to get murdered than the general population but they go crazy on this but
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they're calling that a genocide because that's just what's popular it's trendy and and therefore
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if you're against you know transitioning children and giving children sex changes you also support this
01:50:29.500
genocide that we made up and therefore we're going to use violence against you and if you look at a lot
01:50:33.780
of the cases where they say there's a trans genocide and you look at like the the people who've been
01:50:38.160
murdered um you look at it in most of the cases it's drug related prostitution related or domestic
01:50:44.320
violence for sure so could this minority is people going after them because they're trans just like
01:50:49.180
right there's like and and some of those are you know someone went on a date with the person and
01:50:54.680
found out the person was trans and then killed him that's exactly right that's some uh weird stories
01:50:59.200
there but uh the uh i i kind of want to find out if is antifa utilizing or taking advantage of
01:51:08.320
let's say trans people because they're mentally ill or uh is it because the trans people are
01:51:15.280
misfits and need somewhere to fit in like or is it a little bit of both what are your thoughts on that
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i think both i mean antifa have also been amplifying the propaganda of the trans extremists
01:51:24.340
to the point where i i mean i coined that term trantifa because it's like i think it describes
01:51:29.260
not like a separate movement really the current manifestation of antifa there's disproportionate
01:51:34.900
number of trans people you've probably seen it on the ground i can see it in particular through the
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mugshots that i've um collected from the riots over the years yeah we're talking about on a
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any given night like people with tattooed eyeballs you know like what is going on 15 percent trans or
01:51:53.080
gender diverse i'll use that term gender diverse and in that they don't identify with their biological
01:51:57.320
sex 15 on some nights 20 a third a right nowhere else do you see that type of representation of trans
01:52:06.360
demographic you know another type of like activist type of movements among other than like the violent
01:52:12.160
far left so there's something going on right now and people should be really concerned that
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under the pretext of second amendment rights trans militants are stockpiling deadly weapons
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and training for the purpose of in their mind killing those who in the government and killing anybody
01:52:31.400
they label trans woman or fascist there's a fair amount of that right i mean there's like what is the
01:52:36.640
pink pony club is that one am i remembering that correctly but there was a group of people and it
01:52:42.780
was a couple of years ago there were a group of um trans militants who were all getting about getting
01:52:48.000
together to go do shooting practice i think in new hampshire and npr profiled them as though it were
01:52:53.480
this great thing and asked them oh why do you feel the need to do this well because of the legislation
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in several states that is you know seeking to commit trans genocide because they won't gender change
01:53:04.140
children that's why we have to get a bunch of guns and go practice them in new hampshire it's a major
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difference between uh like the boomer generation liberals and maybe even leftists versus the younger
01:53:15.360
generation leftists as they look at the second amendment as that's our tool for our violent
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revolution well that's also just like the black panther party i mean the black panthers in california
01:53:24.620
they had a lot of guns they were very pro um you know if if a if somebody got if a driver got
01:53:30.360
arrested at a traffic stop and police were there the black panthers would go over and be like we
01:53:34.640
actually you know we have guns let the person go that was a big part of the reason that ronald
01:53:39.640
reagan started implementing gun control in california it was because of the black panthers which i would
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still disagree with actually honestly i would still disagree with it too but there it was you know there
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it was this was uh this was part of the issue for them it's like the john john brown gun club as well
01:53:54.380
which uh they were out they were in seattle at the chas and they ally with you know other left-wing
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groups and say hey we're your defenders i even uh well i went to school in dc at georgetown which is a
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allegedly catholic university the pink pistols not they had a john brown gun club flyer it just went
01:54:14.040
viral on georgetown's campus in dc it's like you need to wait a year just to get a concealed carry
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permit in dc so i don't know what the john brown gun club is doing on georgetown's campus but
01:54:24.180
it's crazy to me to see a catholic university now you know in red square has multiple flyers for the
01:54:31.580
john brown gun club what was that flyer is that the charlie kirk flyer or was that yes that was the
01:54:36.540
one it's uh it says cat hey fascist catch or something like that yeah so they're actively
01:54:40.980
encouraging violence with their gun club against at a catholic university at a catholic university
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which is allegedly supposed to be catholic but it's i mean i still coach the hockey team and they are
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not catholic anymore i can tell you that permittingly how's the hockey team over there pretty good uh we
01:54:58.060
had a rough loss to gw last week but we're four and two we're doing all right well this is something
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that um is on andy's twitter that i wanted to bring up this is a portland antifa member with a history of
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violence posted a threatening video on social media shooting up photos of both andy and charlie kirk
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um should we look at it i don't think we can actually describe it play the video i would just
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okay because it has like reasons yeah i was wondering about that um so this is a video this
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is why don't you describe it i can describe it it's it's somebody i've reported on before and law
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enforcement is aware of this by the way but this is um typical the type of threats that i and other
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people who in the public eye get for our work um trying to expose antifa this person used the
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pictures of my face and charlie's face this target practice five rounds to my head and one in the neck
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for mr kirk and uh you know i was just thinking of the the press conference that benny johnson did with
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uh attorney general pam bondy and a lot of us suffer in in silence and that just for security
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reasons we don't disclose that all the threats that we're receiving and you asked earlier do you
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libby you asked if uh if i think there'll be another assassination my answer is yes it's like absolutely
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it's we've the the left has really embraced an assassination culture um when and who well
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that's terrifying right i mean like it's terrifying for the people in this room and for the people that
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we all associate with uh i remember talking to other women in the movement being like just bring all
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the men home like this is you know which of course is is what the women are supposed to say
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that's the way that's why i can't hold down women at this point like bring bring the men home don't
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let this don't let this happen to them but it is it is really scary to see um to see this possibility
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and but it's also emboldening to see the bravery of so many people you know like you guys you're going
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out there you're covering this stuff you're doing the research you're not letting anybody silence you
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you're getting arrested and you're still like no like we're not playing with you we're doing it
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anyway the amount of time you know you see tim going out you see all of the turning point people
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going out i mean it's it's been i gotta say like as someone who is happy to you know sit on my porch
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and read books and be left alone in the sunshine you know um it's really been powerful to see how many
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people are just refusing to be silenced by this these terrorists cannot win they can't win uh andy
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i mean the amount of messages i got from andy like warning me to like stop and get out of there
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uh multiple i mean he knows he knows better than anybody but i just i i can't i can't get off the
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street it just it i i feel like i feel like that's just surrendering to them yeah um there's a lot of
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people that did just i mean cam higby shout out to cam he what he wasted no time he started a campus
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tour what is it what is it called fearless debates or started a campus tour right away
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going around the country you know debating students uh everyone's ramping up the reporting
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on antifa and their activity i don't see anybody backing down i cannot just speaking on cam higby i have
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never seen someone routinely get assaulted as many times as this poor guy and uh it you know everybody
01:58:36.840
they they try to accuse him of like staging it or something but he releases all of the raw footage
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it's just it's it's and what leads up to it and he's he's never doing anything but speaking
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you know he's never like getting he's never even defensive with them they just you know go all
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i mean it happened last week in dc again and then the assailant was um luckily arrested but i don't
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think she was going to be until those chairs were pretty faulty they were sitting in those chairs i was
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like dude you get those chairs on timu the like that thing was like about to tip over let's just be
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real here there's that one uh ginger guy his handle's like ginger something and i recently
01:59:12.900
learned who this guy was he's a popular leftist on instagram he has like 1.2 1.1 million followers and
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he was there and he decided to post on his page i don't know he was like at some encampment in dc
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and he was there reporting on it and he showed just that girl that girl that worked in academia by the
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that assaulted cam showed just him pepper spraying her after she attacked him but he only showed that
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little piece and said oh look cam higby is assaulting these peaceful protesters and he went you know did a
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whole selfie video and did a follow-up and got millions of people riled up against cam and the
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entire thing was alive because cam obviously had the footage and released everything as you were saying
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he released the whole thing and you get to see all the context you can draw the conclusion i mean you
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can you know you can draw your own uh opinions about the matter but he's going to release everything
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there's not anything being taken out of context there you know what's really interesting uh also
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like at these protests you saw like a lot of the the people even on the antifa side they're filming
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right like they got their phones but i never really see much of that footage like ever come out you
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know they were accusing me of all these things you don't always see the stuff from the other side
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like why aren't they showing it they probably put it in their own like discords and stuff i don't know
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what they do with it because they film you and they're like i'm filming you it's like good yeah
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yeah every time i go to a protest um they'll they'll as soon as you show up they'll start
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recording in fact there was one lady uh maybe a month ago i had it in a video two months ago or
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something she was filming me and and you know she was one of the angry boomers at the local protest that
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i'll go to in orange county she was filming me and put her phone down and i realized she wasn't even
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recording i decided to help her out i was like excuse me miss you weren't recording she hit record
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tell me it's like i never know what they do with those those videos i have no clue
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so so what's next for everybody and do you also do you think that there's going to be
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there has been increased violence we've seen the studies that even though they try and say
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right-wing violence is still a problem show definitively that left-wing violence has been
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on the rise for at least 10 years um in part i think because they still don't know why trump won
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in 2016 they're forever baffled by that do you think there's more reporters coming up
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who are you know going to be covering this stuff i mean what is what does it look like in terms of
02:01:27.540
independent media what's going on well it's so amazing that what is required now to be a journalist
02:01:33.600
honestly is hey show up to a protest bring your cell phone start recording that's pretty much all you
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need to be doing and doing that you're still doing a hell of a lot more than the legacy media is
02:01:43.120
doing it for sure for sure i'm definitely seeing more people on the on the street that are covering
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these anti-ice protests because that's what we're looking at now we're no longer blm right we're
02:01:52.720
anti-ice it's not blm it's no longer pro-palestinian which we had for a while there's a little bit of
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that but it's dying out yeah right but you notice how they're not like yay trump got a peace deal
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right yeah i'll never be like that andy you might have touched on this earlier but it's really just
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a rebranding same groups essentially um blm is slightly different right because you're not seeing a
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bunch of blm activists out on the street right now you're seeing some you're seeing some but but not
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that entire group that they were able to mobilize but in a general sense it's still the same far
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left-wing groups that just rebrand every single time it's just them doing the gaza stuff them
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doing blm stuff them doing anti-ice stuff and they try to just recruit whoever they can get mobilized
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they find the trendy partner with the cause du jour and they go for it well i want to thank all you guys
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for hanging out today and really giving some deep insight into this issue it's something that i'm
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mostly familiar with just from working with andy and reading his drafts you know and following his
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work and katie um so i'm so grateful to find out more about this do you guys want to shout anything
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out richie you want to start you'll get right you can read about andy and katie and the chaz where it
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all began and uh you know everything now is just a pale shadow of what happened in 2020
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if you haven't read if you haven't read it yet uh read unmasked my book and my sub stack is at
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ngo comment.com it's a pleasure to be here with everybody uh i got uh you know it's uh especially
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to uh you know be able to hear from you directly this this week and all your insight on you've been
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covering this for so long you've been a warrior in the field uh doing it i'm i'm so glad you were
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able to get here uh to washington to be able to come to that round table i mean your insight is
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uh one of the reasons that antifa is being taken seriously by the administration right now so thank
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you so much andy and thank you uh you'll find me later i'm actually hosting timcast irl tonight
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uh because the other hosts couldn't actually get here so so i am the backup host tonight and i will
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see you guys at 8 p.m eastern time right here in the same studio who's your guests who do you have
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alex rosen nice so that'll be fun he's an interesting character so right on respect the
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hustle um i'm gonna piggyback on that actually andy's definitely the eye in the sky when it comes
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to a lot of protest coverage i think you saved my life like once or twice he's like the intel guy
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letting me know letting me know that i've been you know my cover's been blown so i appreciate that
02:04:17.060
uh you guys definitely get their books uh unmasked right yeah and then riot diet i got riot
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maybe a few months ago great book um i'm james klug you can subscribe to me over on youtube.com
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slash james klug i do have a bunch of videos dropping and i for any subscribers that are watching
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i apologize for uh slacking on that but thank you guys so much for having me appreciate it thanks so
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much guys i'm libby emmons you can find me on twitter at libby emmons you can check out everything
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we're doing at the postmillennial.com and humanevents.com thanks so much