The Culture War - Tim Pool - Antifa Is A Terror Organization, Crackdown Coming As Leftists Defend Violence w⧸ Nick Sortor, Andy Ngo, James Klug & Richie McGinniss

00:00:00.000 Hi, everyone.

00:00:17.520 This is Libby Emmons.

00:00:18.520 I'm filling in for Tim Poole this week on Culture War.

00:00:21.320 I'm really glad to be here.

00:00:22.400 We have a great show today.

00:00:24.140 We're going to be talking all about Antifa, terrorism, and what's going on in the United

00:00:28.040 States with the left.

00:00:28.980 And we have incredible guests with us today that I'm really excited to introduce you

00:00:34.520 to.

00:00:34.860 Why don't you get started?

00:00:36.500 Me first.

00:00:37.460 Yeah, here you are.

00:00:38.820 Richie McGinnis, author of Riot Diet.

00:00:41.440 And now I got like four different jobs now, so I won't list them, but at Richie McGinnis.

00:00:46.740 And I was on the ground for a lot of this stuff in 2020.

00:00:49.480 I'm semi-retired now.

00:00:51.240 So Andy is not, though.

00:00:53.220 Andy Ngo was this week in the White House at the amazing roundtable with President Trump,

00:00:59.240 and he's here with us today.

00:01:01.520 Very glad to see you, Andy.

00:01:02.700 Thank you.

00:01:03.180 It's an honor to be here.

00:01:04.580 My name's Andy Ngo, author of the book Unmasked.

00:01:08.340 It was a New York Times bestseller.

00:01:09.440 I wish I had one to show, but I had the privilege of giving it to the president after the roundtable.

00:01:16.280 And I'm also a senior editor at the Post Millennial, and I have a sub stack called No Comment.

00:01:22.760 I'm Nick Sorter.

00:01:25.820 I just yell for a living online.

00:01:28.220 It's a pleasure to be here with Trump's next Antifa czar, or first Antifa czar, Andy Ngo.

00:01:33.940 That's what we're going to start pushing here.

00:01:35.540 Make that go viral, guys.

00:01:37.460 No Comment is a fantastic name for a blog bio, by the way.

00:01:40.820 Thank you.

00:01:41.300 It's pretty awesome.

00:01:42.260 So appreciate you having me here, and this guy's pretty awesome, too.

00:01:45.980 What's going on?

00:01:46.900 Libby, thank you so much for having us here.

00:01:48.340 We appreciate it.

00:01:49.140 Definitely grateful to be here to discuss Antifa and some domestic terrorism that we're seeing all over the country.

00:01:56.620 Now, you guys, my name's James Klug.

00:01:58.720 I'm a YouTuber focusing on political commentary and street videos.

00:02:03.380 You guys might have seen me.

00:02:04.160 It's at James Klug on YouTube and MySpace.

00:02:06.480 Thank you for having me.

00:02:07.980 So I just wanted to get started with you guys.

00:02:09.860 You guys all have a lot of expertise in ground reporting, in research, in what's been going on with the far left and Antifa over the past several years.

00:02:18.080 And we've really seen in the second Trump administration a big focus on this kind of violence.

00:02:24.460 We've seen a crackdown in Portland, which is amazing in part because of Andy and my colleague Katie Debscourt, who's been out there since June covering the violence at the ICE facilities.

00:02:34.880 What do you attribute this resurgence in attention to Antifa under the Trump administration?

00:02:41.220 Why is he so invested in dealing with this?

00:02:44.740 We saw the first ever roundtable at the White House about Antifa.

00:02:50.060 That's never happened before.

00:02:51.440 I've never seen none of us has ever seen the president sit down with independent journalists and reporters, street reporters.

00:02:58.160 People have been assaulted.

00:02:59.460 People have been doxxed, all of this stuff.

00:03:01.760 We've never seen a president sit down and actually take independent journalists seriously about their work.

00:03:07.660 The Biden administration shut independent journalists out, I think revoked something like 400 press passes.

00:03:14.580 What do you attribute this to?

00:03:16.100 Why is it so urgent right now?

00:03:20.260 You want to go, Andy?

00:03:21.440 Yeah.

00:03:21.880 Well, there are a couple of things or events that have happened this year.

00:03:27.020 So the violence against ICE has started since June in Portland in particular, but it's spread to cities across the U.S.

00:03:35.040 That's just general left-wing violence.

00:03:37.840 It includes a coalition that has many of the same people from 2020, but Mexican nationalists and open borders extremists have been brought into that coalition.

00:03:48.260 In July, in Alvarado, Texas, the Prairieland ICE facility was shot up in an ambush shooting attack by members, allegedly, of a North Texas Antifa cell.

00:04:01.620 Some of them were also members of a John Brown gun club, which is a far-left militia group.

00:04:07.240 So in that instance, there was allegedly a group of 16 to 17 of them who conspired, carried out the shooting.

00:04:14.980 An officer was shot in the neck.

00:04:17.280 And many of them were caught that night or in the coming days.

00:04:21.260 One, the alleged ringleader, Benjamin Song, was on the run and was found almost two weeks later.

00:04:28.840 It was a huge FBI manhunt, and he was being hidden in a safe, essentially, Antifa safe house in Dallas.

00:04:35.660 Then there have been a number of attacks on journalists in Portland, influencers and others who have visited.

00:04:46.420 And I think what really pushed it through the line in terms of like a White House agenda item was, I believe, the assassination of Charlie Cook.

00:04:55.680 In the immediate days after that, there was a lot of lies and misinformation spread by the left.

00:05:02.900 They said that the suspect was far right, that he was a Christian nationalist.

00:05:07.240 All these horrible lies that went quite mainstream on the left to obfuscate from what was written on the rifle cartridges.

00:05:16.400 A fascist catch, the lyrics of Bella Chow.

00:05:21.560 I mean, when the governor of Utah read the lyrics of Bella Chow, I know it went over the ears of most people.

00:05:29.720 They may not be familiar with that Italian folk song, but that has been adopted as like the worldwide Antifa anthem.

00:05:37.900 And there's not a lot of space you can use to write on these rifle cartridges.

00:05:42.540 And the fact that one of the four was dedicated to that, I think, says a lot.

00:05:48.300 Yeah.

00:05:48.980 Yeah.

00:05:49.380 What do you think, Nick?

00:05:50.260 I mean, I think Andy's absolutely right.

00:05:53.680 But I think in terms of the White House being sort of, I guess, shocked into this roundtable that we were all very grateful that we were all invited to this.

00:06:05.900 And I mean, they picked some great people to go.

00:06:09.300 So, I mean, Andy's been working on this for the longest time.

00:06:13.480 And then, you know, I think one of the catalysts to like a lot has happened over the past 10 days, including the assault of Katie Davis Court there in Portland, where the I mean, I've talked about this a lot over the over the past 10 days,

00:06:30.080 because it's so infuriating to me to watch this video of Katie being, you know, hit with a flagpole, given a concussion.

00:06:38.480 She still has a black eye. 1.00

00:06:39.860 I saw it, you know, two days ago at the White House.

00:06:41.960 And watching the Portland police tell, like, just walk slowly behind the assailant, say, you're detained.

00:06:49.440 And the assailant saying, no, I'm not. 0.90

00:06:52.580 F you.

00:06:53.180 And then walking away.

00:06:54.940 That infuriated a lot of conservatives, especially like reporters and influencers that then immediately went to Portland and then started covering it on the ground.

00:07:06.380 And then, you know, it really created a groundswell.

00:07:08.480 It really did.

00:07:09.660 And so to top that off, you.

00:07:13.340 That didn't help.

00:07:14.600 That didn't help Portland police.

00:07:15.760 That's for sure.

00:07:16.840 Where's the flag?

00:07:17.740 He shows up, reports there for how long were you reporting there for?

00:07:21.420 I was there for less than 24 hours.

00:07:23.300 Less than 24 hours.

00:07:24.640 Everyone's sick and tired of hearing Antifa, what they took over an entire literally like annexed a block right outside of federal property.

00:07:31.760 And then you show up for less than 24 hours and you're the one that gets arrested.

00:07:34.640 Right.

00:07:35.340 Yeah.

00:07:35.580 And I mean, I think that that really showed the contrast here.

00:07:38.920 We see the video of Katie's assailant giving the finger to the police and not being arrested, which I think was totally like now they put out this.

00:07:48.460 What would they put out now?

00:07:49.700 Like this this bulletin or this bolo, like be on the lookout for this person.

00:07:55.700 The person assaulted her. 1.00

00:07:56.920 Yeah.

00:07:57.300 They put it out the next day.

00:07:58.620 They had her within their reach on the day that she was assaulted.

00:08:02.280 She brought them to her assailant.

00:08:04.200 Yeah.

00:08:05.020 He had her.

00:08:05.700 In the safe house.

00:08:06.180 They knew exactly where she was.

00:08:07.520 They knew where she was.

00:08:07.940 And then he walked away.

00:08:09.300 He let her go.

00:08:10.260 And then literally the next day they put out a thing, you know, like help us find this person.

00:08:15.620 It's like, you know where she was.

00:08:16.920 You know where she was yesterday.

00:08:17.920 Also, it doesn't even matter with that specific group being all black bloc necessarily because 95 percent of them are just unfortunate shapes and sizes to where you can pretty much like Andy. 0.99

00:08:28.440 You ask Andy.

00:08:29.240 Yeah.

00:08:29.680 You ask Andy.

00:08:30.380 No.

00:08:30.720 To identify somebody based on the shape or size.

00:08:33.440 And he'll be like, yeah, that's this individual.

00:08:34.720 They have this.

00:08:35.620 They have this rap sheet of, you know, arrest reports and all that stuff.

00:08:40.120 I know it's pretty early on in the Trump administration.

00:08:42.600 Right.

00:08:42.980 What?

00:08:43.260 Eight months.

00:08:43.940 Nine months.

00:08:44.340 Eight months.

00:08:44.900 Yeah.

00:08:45.480 Well, nine months, whatever.

00:08:46.900 Something like that.

00:08:47.420 Anyways, the reason I'm saying that is because, yes, it's still early on, but I do think that this roundtable pointed at a common trend that we're seeing.

00:08:55.260 The status quo is over.

00:08:57.560 You know, we're sick and tired of seeing that these militant groups can just assault journalists and conservatives with impunity.

00:09:05.920 Nobody's going to do anything about it.

00:09:07.040 Yeah, sure.

00:09:07.520 Local leaders obviously aren't going to do anything about it.

00:09:09.820 In fact, they're probably just going to arrest you for showing up and reporting on it.

00:09:12.560 But, you know, when it comes to the actual federal government, they're going to put pressure on leadership to actually do something.

00:09:19.440 And if they're not going to do anything, they're going to go and, you know, make moves on their own.

00:09:22.980 And so – and you can feel that on the ground.

00:09:25.280 Andy, I don't know if you kind of noticed a little bit more of a taming or Antifa.

00:09:30.260 Just they're not sending out their most insane troops.

00:09:34.680 And if they are, they're probably getting arrested and getting slapped with federal charges now, you know.

00:09:39.040 But it's really different compared to 2020 and 2021 for sure, 100%.

00:09:43.980 It's a different vibe on the ground.

00:09:45.840 And I was only there, I know, for a couple days recently.

00:09:48.320 What was that?

00:09:48.640 It's tamer than it was in 2020?

00:09:50.700 Oh, right now, yeah.

00:09:52.260 There's no leaf blowers.

00:09:53.400 They don't even have leaf blowers yet, let alone the metal saws they used to saw the fences down.

00:09:58.300 I think that's why we're seeing it, though, because the Trump administration in 2020, you know, sent in the DHS troops, which is kind of the equivalent of the ICE now, to defend the federal courthouse.

00:10:09.480 And they were, you know, only able to protect that one little area surrounding the federal courthouse.

00:10:15.140 And it persisted for like 150 days.

00:10:17.220 Right.

00:10:17.340 I think now they're preempting that and saying, we don't want to end up with another CHAZ. 1.00

00:10:21.320 Yeah, I actually remember the day that Andy jumped in and was like, well, it's been 100 days in 2020 outside the Portland federal building.

00:10:29.000 We saw Katie and Andy in the CHAZ as well.

00:10:32.040 Katie went in there with the American flag. 1.00

00:10:34.400 And she effectively was assaulted when they ripped the flag away from her.

00:10:39.080 And, you know, at that time, people were just like less aware than they are now.

00:10:43.460 So I think, you know, a lot more conservatives are now showing up to these places and demonstrating on the other side of things.

00:10:50.240 And that was not something that was – I mean, dude, you were hiding in 2020 for sure.

00:10:54.540 I mean, most people were at least.

00:10:55.720 And if you weren't, you're probably getting assaulted or even worse.

00:10:59.880 It was like – it was pretty hairy for a moment there.

00:11:03.080 But the other night when we were at the ICE facility in Portland, you know, you have like 30 conservatives showing up, showing support for ICE.

00:11:10.740 There were a bunch of –

00:11:11.360 It's a totally different environment.

00:11:12.320 Yeah, Andy was the only one.

00:11:13.340 I mean, I remember you were literally wearing – talk about being able to identify somebody from a silhouette.

00:11:17.940 You were wearing like all black ski goggles.

00:11:21.080 Not even a single inch of skin was exposed.

00:11:24.080 And they're like, there's Andy Ngo.

00:11:25.560 Like within two seconds of you showing up.

00:11:27.460 You mean in 2020?

00:11:28.280 In Chaz, yeah.

00:11:29.360 In Chaz. 0.71

00:11:30.140 What's his or her name?

00:11:32.520 What was the – 1.00

00:11:34.100 The Trantifa sex prostitute. 1.00

00:11:35.620 Amy? 1.00

00:11:35.920 Yeah.

00:11:36.180 What's her name again?

00:11:37.800 Amy something? 1.00

00:11:39.340 The Trantifa sex prostitute. 1.00

00:11:40.220 The person's preferred to go by Nikki. 1.00

00:11:42.880 Nikki.

00:11:43.340 That's it.

00:11:43.840 Nikki.

00:11:44.520 Yeah.

00:11:44.980 Original name was –

00:11:46.520 I forget.

00:11:47.380 Yeah.

00:11:47.800 Nick Jameson.

00:11:48.580 That's it.

00:11:49.180 Nick Jameson.

00:11:49.940 That sounds about right.

00:11:50.740 Yeah.

00:11:51.500 Now Nikki.

00:11:52.480 Got it.

00:11:53.220 Yeah, they would go after you – I mean, cheese, dude.

00:11:55.760 Yeah, it's changed so much.

00:11:57.020 They would go after you if you had a cell phone in your hand.

00:11:59.700 You weren't even recording.

00:12:00.720 If you were holding your phone like this, they would say, open that up.

00:12:04.400 What videos have you taken?

00:12:05.640 Show us your social media.

00:12:07.020 And it wouldn't just be like one guy and you'd be like, okay, get out of here.

00:12:09.540 Come on, bro.

00:12:10.320 No, it would be 10.

00:12:11.920 It would be 10 people surrounding you and you were the only person that was there basically.

00:12:14.740 That's something – yeah.

00:12:15.560 I remember the reporting on that, that Antifa militants would prevent people from reporting,

00:12:20.680 prevent people from recording.

00:12:22.840 There was a whole thing about – basically, Antifa somehow got Oregon to stop releasing

00:12:27.920 mugshots, right, based on your reporting.

00:12:32.100 I'm disappointed.

00:12:33.080 I'm not going to be able to see my mugshot.

00:12:34.480 Right.

00:12:35.040 Oregon will not release the mugshot.

00:12:36.560 Did you request that, by the way?

00:12:37.380 Sure.

00:12:37.740 I guess I have to request it.

00:12:38.820 I assumed it would be online somewhere.

00:12:40.340 Like, by the time I was out, I thought people would post it.

00:12:42.540 But, you know, Portland wasn't even – in 2020 – I wasn't doing this in 2020.

00:12:47.180 I was in real estate at the time.

00:12:48.880 But I was still a – I lived in Louisville, Kentucky, which had a lot of –

00:12:54.380 There was some spiciness there.

00:12:55.100 Some spiciness there.

00:12:56.120 My coworkers got arrested over there.

00:12:57.960 Yeah.

00:12:58.420 Well, who did –

00:13:00.160 Shelby and Jorge.

00:13:01.180 Yeah.

00:13:01.540 That was the one trip I didn't go on.

00:13:03.080 Oh, I didn't go on that one either.

00:13:04.100 I remember that.

00:13:04.140 It was after Kenosha.

00:13:04.980 I was like, I'm going on a surf trip.

00:13:06.640 And I was like, of course, my Irish luck, the one trip I don't go on.

00:13:09.540 And I'm like, oh, man, Jorge and Shelby are in jail.

00:13:12.660 Oh, I'm going to get on that one, right?

00:13:13.280 Yeah, I remember that, too.

00:13:14.560 And they get, like, tossed on a bus.

00:13:16.380 Oh, yeah.

00:13:17.720 I found out from Jorge's Instagram story.

00:13:19.880 Somehow they let him have his phone, and he's just, like, handcuffed to another guy.

00:13:22.860 And he's like, this is in jail.

00:13:24.340 I was like, oh.

00:13:24.820 I have heard – I've not been to this jail, but I know that – I've heard horror stories

00:13:29.280 about Metro Corrections down there.

00:13:31.160 But I was in downtown Louisville right near the courthouse.

00:13:33.620 They were doing all these Breonna Taylor riots. 0.74

00:13:35.740 And it was just – the courthouse had no windows anymore.

00:13:37.960 They'd all been blown out.

00:13:39.200 And I'm just walking around, like, wanted to document it from my personal Snapchat.

00:13:43.660 You know, that was it at the time.

00:13:45.220 And I go around, and I'm video recording.

00:13:46.640 And they chase me down the block.

00:13:48.320 They corner me, and they hold me at gunpoint for my phone.

00:13:50.920 At gunpoint?

00:13:51.480 At gunpoint.

00:13:52.260 Who were these people?

00:13:52.940 They ended up being arrested after – because I ended up, like, hitting the gun out of his 0.99

00:13:58.900 hand, which was really stupid at the time. 0.91

00:14:00.400 Yeah, well. 0.97

00:14:00.760 I wanted my phone, though.

00:14:01.780 I didn't have any money.

00:14:02.400 You were lying, though.

00:14:02.580 So it's like, you know, I didn't have much to lose.

00:14:04.960 Anyway, so – but I jumped the fence, and they did this in front of the 911 call center

00:14:09.840 is where this happened, down in Louisville.

00:14:13.340 And a bunch of – the only people that were there were EMTs that had radios.

00:14:16.680 So they were able to radio, but it took the police 10 minutes to get there because there

00:14:20.660 was a two-mile no-go zone for police in downtown Louisville.

00:14:24.540 And it still never recovered down there.

00:14:26.200 Why is there a no-go zone?

00:14:27.920 There was a no-go zone in 2020.

00:14:29.660 Yeah, why was there?

00:14:30.240 Summer of Love.

00:14:31.140 Because of all this stuff?

00:14:32.480 Yeah, because Breonna Taylor. 0.97

00:14:33.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:34.800 I remember Breonna Taylor.

00:14:36.000 And speaking of that, I just want to say this while we're on that topic.

00:14:40.160 Brett Hankison, who was one of the officers in the Breonna Taylor raid, is now sentenced

00:14:44.380 to, I believe, four years in prison.

00:14:46.360 And I think he reports, like, Monday.

00:14:49.620 That's crazy.

00:14:50.620 So I think I'm going to be doing – watch for that.

00:14:52.700 Watch for that. 0.62

00:14:53.200 Because I don't think that guy should be – I think he was recommended, like, a day

00:14:58.320 in jail by federal prosecutors.

00:15:00.580 And the judge was like, nah, he's getting four years.

00:15:03.160 Yeah, I'm forgetting kind of a lot of the specifics about that case.

00:15:06.660 But I do remember, I mean, the boyfriend did have – he was legally –

00:15:11.540 He shot at police.

00:15:12.080 Yeah, but he was legally allowed to be – like, have a firearm there.

00:15:15.740 It was all legally owned.

00:15:17.660 And I don't believe he knew.

00:15:20.080 And it seemed like he had a decent case for –

00:15:22.400 He didn't know they were cops.

00:15:22.860 I'm playing devil's advocate here.

00:15:23.600 He didn't know they were cops.

00:15:24.440 He didn't know that they were cops.

00:15:24.960 That's what he said.

00:15:25.640 Right.

00:15:26.080 They were definitely involved in some – it seemed allegedly involved in some, like,

00:15:30.780 drug activity or something.

00:15:31.740 It was like her ex-boyfriend, apparently, was involved in something.

00:15:35.720 They thought she was involved as well.

00:15:37.400 I don't know if she was.

00:15:39.060 And so they – this is what I remember, so don't quote me on it.

00:15:41.960 No.

00:15:42.540 And then they came after her.

00:15:45.260 He shot at them.

00:15:46.400 He shot at the cops before they came in.

00:15:48.080 They opened fire before going in.

00:15:50.400 She had come out of the bedroom and I believe was struck in the hallway.

00:15:54.360 Yeah.

00:15:55.340 Yeah.

00:15:56.260 This is what I recall of that case.

00:15:58.200 Yeah.

00:15:58.400 I mean, there was that whole lie where they said that she was – and I mean, yeah, I mean,

00:16:02.740 I – like, she shouldn't have been killed for sure.

00:16:05.600 But so that speaks – that whole thing in 2020, you had Antifa and BLM.

00:16:10.700 Yeah.

00:16:10.880 Right?

00:16:11.260 Yeah.

00:16:11.500 And so Antifa was essentially – was it Antifa using BLM or was BLM using Antifa?

00:16:17.320 It was –

00:16:17.740 Antifa using BLM.

00:16:19.000 Yeah.

00:16:19.200 And now Antifa –

00:16:19.800 That was mutually beneficial.

00:16:20.960 Right.

00:16:21.220 One and all that.

00:16:21.960 And now Antifa is using Mexican nationals and drug cartels.

00:16:25.460 Or PSN, like Party for Socialism and Liberation.

00:16:28.320 So, like, there's two different arms of these protests.

00:16:30.500 You have the organized side, which is forward-facing.

00:16:33.520 They have flyers and all that.

00:16:35.020 Antifa will do flyers.

00:16:36.940 But, like, in D.C., for example, or around the country, you'll have the No Kings protest.

00:16:42.340 Yeah, that's coming up.

00:16:43.300 And those are sponsored by places like ESL.

00:16:44.980 And then you look into their funding and it's just like any other – you know, the

00:16:49.400 Muslim Brotherhood or radical Islamist cells around the world.

00:16:52.640 They'll just rename themselves.

00:16:54.040 So now you have Indivisible, which is funded by the Open Society Foundation, George Soros'

00:16:58.320 Foundation.

00:16:59.100 They give a million bucks.

00:17:00.500 And then Indivisible is funding the signs and the transportation for these protests.

00:17:04.680 And then Antifa then takes this large gathering and uses that as an opportunity to then instigate

00:17:10.700 police, use that as a power vacuum.

00:17:13.080 And, yeah, so it's, like, symbiotic.

00:17:15.000 So funding is a huge part.

00:17:16.500 Oh, go ahead, Andy.

00:17:17.140 Well, I wanted to sort of recap 2020.

00:17:21.200 Because five years ago, to me, it seems like I remember it very clearly since I was on the

00:17:25.000 ground, but maybe people who – some people at this table weren't even in the news world

00:17:30.100 then, and those who are listening and watching, that was a long time ago.

00:17:34.000 The riots were so sustained, violent, and organized.

00:17:39.660 I cannot overstate that.

00:17:41.140 Like, in Portland, I saw it, and in Seattle in particular.

00:17:44.420 They had, like, brigades within the riot mob.

00:17:52.520 So right now, people might be – after some of the people at this table went to Portland,

00:17:59.720 now the national media, even the international media, they're showing up.

00:18:03.300 They're saying, look, it's completely fine at 12 in the afternoon outside the Portland

00:18:08.840 Ice Facility or at night.

00:18:10.000 They're never there at night.

00:18:11.280 Never.

00:18:12.060 They're showing up at night now, but they weren't there when things were really bad before.

00:18:15.240 So a snapshot of one night can be misleading from these – the legacy media.

00:18:21.680 And they're capturing footage of, like, people in these animal costumes.

00:18:26.260 There's one – his name is Seth, who's been wearing the frog one.

00:18:30.920 And it's meant – the costumes are – it serves a propaganda purpose.

00:18:35.660 Like, it's meant to make – on a photo or a short video clip, it makes that demonstration

00:18:43.640 look like a family-friendly children's type of event.

00:18:47.340 Nothing dangerous.

00:18:48.600 Don't think about the violence that happened before.

00:18:50.840 It kind of whitewashes everything that had been happening since June.

00:18:55.180 In 2020, people – Antifa, they used a similar tactic.

00:18:59.880 They didn't use costumes at that time.

00:19:01.300 They had their female comrades wear these yellow shirts, and they recruited women leftists 0.51

00:19:07.700 to come and stand at the front of the riot.

00:19:10.060 And they hooked arms, and they called themselves Wall of Moms. 1.00

00:19:13.300 Frontline moms. 0.92

00:19:14.140 Right, with the yellow shirts.

00:19:14.940 Frontline moms. 0.92

00:19:15.440 Yeah, shirts.

00:19:16.560 And what I saw – I recognized many of them.

00:19:19.340 So they weren't in black blocks, so they were wearing masks, but you could see their eyes

00:19:23.600 and hairs.

00:19:24.260 And I recognized some of them as – these are the same – some of them were wearing the –

00:19:29.920 were involved in violent militancy in the other nights.

00:19:33.760 And surely enough, when the cameras weren't pointed on them, some of the so-called Wall of Moms 0.95

00:19:38.800 people would go up and try to tear off the plywood that was on the U.S. federal courthouse.

00:19:44.900 So this was a literal insurrection against the U.S. government.

00:19:48.220 People would throw in explosive devices, bombs, and Molotov cocktails.

00:19:55.060 They tried to set the building on fire.

00:19:56.580 It was besieged night after night for an entire month.

00:19:59.260 With federal agents inside.

00:20:01.000 Yes.

00:20:01.240 And they had a team.

00:20:02.780 There was also – so the Wall of Moms was at the front. 0.53

00:20:05.780 These were the human body shields, and that's where all the cameras would face them.

00:20:09.000 Behind them would be the people on the black block who would throw the projectile weapons. 0.99

00:20:13.500 And they brought things that were meant to look not very dangerous, like a water bottle.

00:20:18.000 Well, the water bottles were frozen.

00:20:19.520 What do you think happens when that's thrown at somebody's head with force?

00:20:23.100 They had lasers.

00:20:24.040 So it looked like, oh, cool, a laser light show.

00:20:26.420 No, when you have 50 people directing these lasers at the eyes of an individual officer, you get injuries that can damage the eye permanently.

00:20:36.340 And there were dozens of federal agents whose eyes were injured.

00:20:39.980 And on the laser subject right now, an Antifa blog in Portland has put out flyers and put out posts online calling for their comrades to try to aim all their lasers at the pilot that flies the DHS helicopter.

00:20:55.900 Over the ice facility.

00:20:56.940 Are these like the Blackhawks over the – 0.97

00:20:58.580 Yes, they're trying to cause a crash, kill people.

00:21:02.380 So they're using some of the tactics they learned before.

00:21:05.500 They don't have as many people.

00:21:07.240 But they have so much experience.

00:21:10.260 And they were – they're emboldened because they weren't held accountable.

00:21:13.720 Yeah, the frontline moms. 0.97

00:21:14.880 I mean, Washington Post's, you know, Wall of Moms inspired by Portland protesters face off intense protests in Portland.

00:21:21.420 It's like that they glorified these frontline moms. 1.00

00:21:25.760 And it's like, yeah, you're putting lipstick on a pig, basically.

00:21:28.700 Well, and that's even still something. 0.67

00:21:29.980 I remember I was having a conversation with someone in my family who's pretty lefty the other day.

00:21:33.680 And I was saying this Antifa stuff, you know, and I was talking about what was going on at the White House.

00:21:38.500 And she was like, well, isn't it just a bunch of moms? 0.99

00:21:41.400 And I was like, no.

00:21:42.880 No, it's not.

00:21:43.720 You're remembering a headline that was also just fake.

00:21:46.180 Well, they're so lucky that they have the entire, like, media machine backing them up, comedy, entertainment, whatever it may be, late night comedy, whatever it may be.

00:21:55.180 They have all of that backing them up.

00:21:56.740 So all they really need is those little movements, right, those moms or the people in the costumes to use as propaganda so you can say, oh, well, look, it's like this.

00:22:05.160 So I was talking to Andy on the way over here.

00:22:06.800 And what you'll notice is Democrat politicians, commentators, whatever it may be, are saying, oh, really?

00:22:13.680 I mean, Antifa doesn't seem dangerous.

00:22:16.240 Look, these people are wearing costumes.

00:22:18.020 And it's like when we're having this conversation, we're talking about 2020.

00:22:20.620 We're talking about 2021.

00:22:21.780 We're talking about over the last four years.

00:22:23.120 We're talking about now, right?

00:22:24.840 And it's all of that mixed together that forms our views on these left-wing militants, right?

00:22:31.520 Not just one little photo or one little video of five minutes with some guy in a costume dancing in front of police officers, right?

00:22:37.820 Because if the video was just by itself and that was the only thing, you'd probably look at that and you'd say, yeah, it's kind of funny.

00:22:42.380 Yeah, well, they had this guy that was strategically placed when Christy Noem was up on the rooftop there at the ICE facility.

00:22:47.380 There was this guy in this chicken costume that was in the middle of the crowd that was outside.

00:22:52.460 And, you know, they kept saying, oh, well, look, there's nothing.

00:22:54.640 There's nothing happening out here.

00:22:55.920 It's really light.

00:22:57.840 There's, you know, this isn't a riot or whatever.

00:22:59.340 Well, the reason that there were so few people out there when Christy Noem was there is because Portland police cleared the block like they should do every single night.

00:23:06.640 Like Gavin Newsom did for President Xi when he came in.

00:23:09.380 Exactly.

00:23:10.260 Precisely.

00:23:10.780 That way they could not have.

00:23:12.380 It was like spotless when she showed up.

00:23:13.180 And for California the same.

00:23:14.440 They wanted to make sure that they had it under control so that the pictures that came out from Christy Noem's visit did not look like that there was lawlessness outside the ICE facility.

00:23:23.080 Now, there is no reason that – this was the proposal that DHS made, which doesn't seem that it's too far out there.

00:23:32.300 Just give them a place where they can protest.

00:23:35.500 They're not saying that you can't protest.

00:23:37.260 They're just saying you can't protest in the middle of the street and block our agents and, you know, hamper deportations.

00:23:45.700 Like we give you a zone over here where you can protest, not in the middle of the street.

00:23:49.820 I mean Portland police could do that very, very easily if they actually wanted to and that would solve most of these problems.

00:23:55.460 But they don't want to.

00:23:56.740 That's interesting.

00:23:57.280 That's like during the Biden administration you had all of this nonsense about – even before – free speech zones on college campuses and conservatives were like shunted into these little corners of campuses where they could talk about, you know, things like pro-life and all kinds of other stuff.

00:24:12.520 But they're not willing to put protesters who are violently attacking law enforcement – like you can have part of the block.

00:24:19.780 You can't have the whole block.

00:24:21.580 But a bunch of things were just mentioned and I want to talk about them.

00:24:25.200 So you're talking about how mainstream media, for the most part, you brought up the Washington Post in 2020.

00:24:29.820 There's been a lot of that even this summer.

00:24:31.780 This has been glossed over.

00:24:32.900 We saw CNN's Erin Burchette – Burnett, I forget.

00:24:36.620 Yeah, Burnett just on Wednesday night after the roundtable, which was so compelling, she went on air and she started talking about how Antifa wasn't even real because they don't have a visible leadership structure.

00:24:48.180 You know, she's expecting someone to get out there and be like, I'm Antifa.

00:24:51.440 We're going to go protest DHS.

00:24:52.940 And that's, you know, not what happens.

00:24:55.340 You know why they don't have a centralized leadership structure?

00:24:58.020 It's because they've learned – these are far less violent extremists – who've learned from the mistakes from the Weather Underground, Black Liberation Army, and other communist terrorist groups in the 60s and 70s, which young people today have no idea even existed.

00:25:13.020 That for a period of time in America, there were terror cells carrying out bombings, killings, jailbreakings, shooting people dead, manufacturing bombs at home, and exploding buildings.

00:25:26.260 And these were centralized groups.

00:25:29.420 Exploding the capital.

00:25:30.320 They set off a bomb in the capital.

00:25:32.360 So many terror attacks that people just aren't aware of that were done by the left just two generations ago.

00:25:39.520 So learning from those mistakes, the militants today say we cannot organize in that type of way.

00:25:45.720 It's too easy to take out like a leader or several key figures and then the whole group basically kind of falls apart.

00:25:52.880 Now, the Antifa organize in a decentralized way, autonomously.

00:25:58.480 And I bring up the example of radical Islam because people are more aware of it.

00:26:03.300 It's been around – terrorism has been around longer in that regard.

00:26:07.940 You – Antifa is an ideology.

00:26:10.940 So when Christopher Wray, former FBI director, said that at a hearing several years ago, he was not wrong.

00:26:17.580 When Biden said that during a debate, it's not wrong, it's just incomplete.

00:26:21.540 I mean, yes, it's an ideology.

00:26:24.240 Neo-Nazism is an ideology. 0.86

00:26:26.340 Fascism is an ideology.

00:26:27.700 Communism is an ideology.

00:26:29.340 What matters is how people organize around that ideology, right?

00:26:33.200 And it can manifest in very different ways.

00:26:35.540 Radical Islam can include international terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabad, Boko Haram, ISIS.

00:26:42.780 That – where there's leadership, you know, who's at the top.

00:26:48.420 And then it can also be groups like Muslim Brotherhood who are part of the Islamist ideology as well.

00:26:55.380 And they function as charities in a number of Western countries, nonprofits.

00:26:59.940 And then there are those who consume the extremist propaganda that's online and become a lone wolf, radicalized individual and takes direct action.

00:27:11.580 So the Antifa ideology manifests in all that way – in all those ways.

00:27:17.160 And some of the groups don't even have the name Antifa in it, but they are an Antifa group.

00:27:22.340 For example, going back to 2020, the group that organized the riots in Portland and Seattle was the Youth Liberation Front.

00:27:31.340 They don't have Antifa in the name.

00:27:33.020 They were an Antifa group.

00:27:34.120 So I – my annoyance was people in the media and others who say, well, you know, who's the leader of it?

00:27:43.440 Oh, I don't see a registered entity.

00:27:45.700 It's like – that's the point.

00:27:48.520 That's why they organize in that way so that they can just fade into the back and say there is no organized structure so that they can continue carrying out acts of organized violence.

00:27:59.920 Just look at the footage of the riots.

00:28:02.540 That's extremely organized.

00:28:04.860 They have sources of funding through crowdfunding.

00:28:07.960 They're supported through mutual aid groups, so-called mutual aid groups that give them food, bail support, access to pro bono lawyers.

00:28:18.940 And a lot of those organizations get funding either at the federal level or at the state level.

00:28:23.660 So taxpayers are funding Antifa.

00:28:25.940 I keep bringing that up.

00:28:27.300 Also, the rioters are encouraged to get arrests.

00:28:29.220 They're actually trained and encouraged to get arrests.

00:28:31.960 And the reason for that is so that they can become a party to mass lawsuits against police departments and cities for huge settlements.

00:28:42.900 And in liberal jurisdictions, they just settle, settle, settle.

00:28:45.660 No problem.

00:28:46.580 One million, 10 million, 20 million.

00:28:49.160 There are some rioters getting hundreds of thousands because they were arrested and they alleged police brutality in Portland or any of these other cities.

00:28:55.840 So there's this whole apparatus.

00:28:58.140 Mainstream media is very important to them.

00:29:00.220 That's why they're so angry about Paramount buying free press and placing Barry Weiss at editor-in-chief of CBS because they need the fellow travelers who work in, ideological fellow travelers who work in mainstream media to mainstream their propaganda.

00:29:17.340 And they need stenographers for their lies there. 0.99

00:29:21.800 And they need the useful idiots as well who parrot certain things out of ignorance. 1.00

00:29:28.080 Yeah, like Aaron Burnett the other day. 1.00

00:29:30.420 Yashir Ali.

00:29:30.980 And you also see, so we've seen a lot of mainstream media covering up for this stuff.

00:29:35.660 You're calling them fellow travelers, fellow ideological travelers in this Antifa journey.

00:29:41.000 And you also see a lot of times mainstream media claiming that you guys aren't journalists, right?

00:29:47.880 I saw a spat that.

00:29:50.060 Yeah, I saw this spat with Savannah Hernandez, who, of course, is terrific. 0.84

00:29:54.600 Yeah.

00:29:54.980 Literally puts her life on the line to get stories and is being criticized by this guy.

00:30:00.220 Yeah, but Matthew has a nice British accent.

00:30:03.080 Right, right.

00:30:03.980 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:04.800 That adds like 20 IQ points to Americans.

00:30:07.400 How does this get, how is this let to stand?

00:30:12.800 How is this legitimized, this idea that you guys aren't journalists?

00:30:15.440 Savannah's saying she's not a journalist.

00:30:18.620 You have, you know, the Portland police recently called Katie Davis Court a counter protester as opposed to calling her a journalist.

00:30:27.360 What is this obsession with trying to label you guys as something that you're not?

00:30:32.740 I mean, it's the only way that they can delegitimize what we're saying is, is to say, no, you're not actually a journalist.

00:30:38.340 You're an agitator or you're a counter protester.

00:30:41.940 I know they want to say that that email was an accident.

00:30:46.480 I absolutely don't believe that was an accident.

00:30:48.400 That is total BS.

00:30:49.740 I mean, counter protester is a – never once did I see Katie out there going up and confronting these people on the streets out in front of the ICE facility and yelling at them. 1.00

00:31:03.000 And, I mean, that would be a counter protester, right?

00:31:05.820 I've never seen her do anything like that.

00:31:07.400 I think they were just trying to insult her.

00:31:09.060 Yeah, of course.

00:31:10.320 Yeah, I think they were just trying to insult her for sure.

00:31:12.540 But, I don't know.

00:31:12.960 Nobody takes Mehdi Hassan's opinion seriously on this issue, luckily.

00:31:16.120 I mean, nobody –

00:31:16.560 Fortunately, a lot of people do on the other.

00:31:18.040 Nobody reasonably – no reasonable person is going to do that.

00:31:21.840 So, I don't know.

00:31:22.940 I still think he can be deported.

00:31:24.100 I think what Brandi Cruz did at the – or what she said at the Antifa roundtable was spot on.

00:31:30.860 And she said a lot of great things.

00:31:32.620 But one of the things that she was talking about was that roundtable was for the administration to hear everyone out.

00:31:37.960 That roundtable was for the American people to listen to.

00:31:40.420 That roundtable was not for the hyenas in the media.

00:31:44.660 Like, that's not who it was for.

00:31:45.940 She called them out before they even ran with their stories.

00:31:48.820 She said, you guys are just going to say that we're activists.

00:31:50.480 You guys are going to say that we're MAGA influencers.

00:31:51.880 You guys are going to say that Antifa is not real.

00:31:54.080 And what did they do after, right?

00:31:55.480 They did exactly that.

00:31:56.800 Because everyone – it's the same tired game that they always play, right?

00:32:00.380 This group that was responsible for inciting a majority – or I don't know about a – a solid half of the most violent riots in 2020 and 2021.

00:32:10.120 Antifa, the group that was responsible for most likely starting most of those.

00:32:14.360 You know, you're talking, what, billions of dollars of damage to communities all over the country?

00:32:18.840 You're talking about thousands of officer casualties?

00:32:20.880 You're talking about, I mean, jeez, dozens of people dying because of those riots?

00:32:25.460 So, I mean, to keep running with the idea that, oh, it's just an ideology.

00:32:29.820 Oh, it's just – that's all it is.

00:32:31.340 And there's no other physical activity attached to it.

00:32:35.200 That's all it is.

00:32:35.760 Like, I'm Antifa.

00:32:36.580 You'll see people saying that, right?

00:32:37.860 Because for some reason they think that that means that there's nothing happening on the ground.

00:32:42.380 It's the same game that they want to play.

00:32:43.760 You'll see a lot of people saying, I'm Antifa.

00:32:44.780 You'll see that, yeah, because they're trying to take away from the actual militants on the ground that are committing the violence and all that stuff, right?

00:32:52.640 So we were talking about the media a little bit, and I got this email yesterday that I sent to them.

00:32:56.500 We have a little, you know, Antifa – what is it called?

00:32:59.040 Antifa fever dream?

00:33:00.320 I don't know.

00:33:00.720 Some sort of group chat.

00:33:02.000 The group chat?

00:33:02.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:03.160 And so I got this – I believe it was the Oregonian that sent this email just – it seemed really bitter about the fact that, you know, we had brought a national spotlight to the story.

00:33:16.860 And, you know, they've been spending – how long now?

00:33:19.740 Trying to shut the whole thing down, pretending like, hey, it's just a peaceful dance party in the street.

00:33:24.500 You know, who are these people?

00:33:26.060 What are they trying to accomplish?

00:33:27.720 This Oregonian, I think, Oregon Live.

00:33:29.960 I mean, there are multiple local outlets.

00:33:31.220 There's a couple of them.

00:33:31.840 What do you know about that?

00:33:33.160 Well, the Oregonian slash Oregon Live is a paper record in Portland.

00:33:37.480 They're meant to be the main liberal establishment paper.

00:33:44.340 They have the most resources.

00:33:46.540 Are you – can I discuss the –

00:33:48.600 Yeah, absolutely.

00:33:49.240 Okay.

00:33:49.580 So, yeah, a reporter reached out to you, and the second half of the email of the media inquiries was about how,

00:33:57.920 in that person's opinion, you didn't follow society, professional journalists' guidelines on the content that you put out,

00:34:06.200 which is not – it's not her role to do that.

00:34:09.600 She's not your editor.

00:34:10.500 She's not your boss. 1.00

00:34:11.320 So, it was meant to just be condescending and rude, and I – did you post it publicly yet?

00:34:18.280 No, I haven't, but I should –

00:34:19.220 Was getting kicked in the ditch, was that on the record?

00:34:21.320 Did you ask him if that was on the record?

00:34:22.600 So, you know, I experienced six years ago the delegitimization.

00:34:28.080 After I was beaten, actually, there was a whole big – in the media, liberal media,

00:34:34.360 those who referred to me as journalists, they were quite – me as a journalist,

00:34:39.220 they were targeted by left-wing journalists.

00:34:41.300 I said, Andy's not a journalist.

00:34:42.920 He's an agitator.

00:34:43.760 The implication was that I somehow brought the near-death experience on me when I was beaten and punched and had the –

00:34:51.640 You have the credentials, though.

00:34:52.880 I mean, you have a journalism degree.

00:34:55.040 I actually studied political science at Portland State, and I worked for the student paper.

00:34:59.700 I've written for legacy papers.

00:35:01.200 I have a New York Times bestseller.

00:35:04.700 I – anyways, the tactic of the – this person is not a journalist.

00:35:10.900 It's because they don't want the public to listen to us.

00:35:14.040 It's the same activism that they're accusing you of.

00:35:16.900 And, I mean, that happened all throughout 2020.

00:35:20.000 So, Kenosha, Wisconsin, the New York Times reporter went home the day of the shooting because she knew it was going to be dangerous.

00:35:27.620 Which, sure, like, okay –

00:35:28.480 Oh, she knew it was going to be dangerous?

00:35:29.540 Well, everybody knew it was going to be dangerous by that third day because, you know, the whole city –

00:35:33.320 or blocks of the city were burning and hundreds of cars.

00:35:36.960 And, you know, there were people who came in from Chicago looting.

00:35:40.260 And so after the shooting happened, Kyle Rittenhouse shot Joseph Rosenbaum right in front of me.

00:35:45.560 New York Times, I spoke with their forensics guy, that guy named Christian Tribart, and he was trying to piece things together.

00:35:52.320 I spoke to them for like four hours in the days after the shooting, and they relied on my reporting for that.

00:35:57.820 Then after January 6th, the New York Times photographer takes a photograph of me.

00:36:02.040 I just lost my phone.

00:36:03.200 I'm pointing at the ground saying phone, and they called me a rioter, and the door of the Capitol had shattered window.

00:36:10.560 I landed on a crowbar when I got knocked to the ground by police.

00:36:13.660 I landed on broken glass.

00:36:14.960 I'm bleeding.

00:36:15.280 And they claimed that I was a rioter who punched a door.

00:36:18.820 So they're implying not only that I cracked that window, but that I'm a rioter, even though I had congressional press credentials, I was allowed to be there, but I look like a knuckle-dragging Trump supporter.

00:36:28.560 They didn't even go to check, oh, yeah, we used this guy's reporting after that shooting in Kenosha.

00:36:31.900 They just instantly called me a rioter.

00:36:33.300 There was an interesting thing, going back to what we were talking about with, you know, calling Savannah not a journalist and the rest of it.

00:36:38.780 Cam Higby had this.

00:36:39.680 Can you pull this up, Tate?

00:36:43.140 Oh, it is up.

00:36:44.060 Okay.

00:36:44.380 I was literally about to bring this up, too.

00:36:45.600 I'm glad you're bringing this up.

00:36:46.360 Yeah, and he was, like, all these people are calling him not a journalist.

00:36:50.360 Hey, Cameron, it's Emily from CNN.

00:36:52.260 This is still a good time to give you a call?

00:36:55.500 Hey, Cam, I'm a reporter at NBC News.

00:36:57.360 Are you available for a brief phone interview?

00:36:58.920 I'm interested in hearing the latest about what's happening in Portland with the anti-ICE protests and counter-protests.

00:37:03.180 Let me know if there's a convenient time for a call.

00:37:06.000 Thank you.

00:37:06.700 They look nice at first.

00:37:07.980 Hey, Cam, I'm a reporter with KATU News.

00:37:11.220 I'm reaching out because I saw that you said you were attacked by protesters outside of ICE.

00:37:14.680 I'm sorry to hear that you were harmed.

00:37:16.120 Any chance you might be able to interview?

00:37:17.960 Also, are you a DHS employee?

00:37:20.640 Hey, Cam, it's me from The New York Times.

00:37:24.020 Wait, okay, hold on.

00:37:24.840 Is this what a journalist is? 0.99

00:37:26.080 Because these people are absolute losers that don't do any work themselves. 0.98

00:37:29.000 So maybe we aren't journalists. 0.99

00:37:30.080 I don't know.

00:37:30.580 I mean, yeah, I mean, I saw that and I was just, you know, it's not that surprising, but it is still kind of surprising, you know?

00:37:38.620 And then we also had this moment that I just wanted to play.

00:37:43.660 It's not too long.

00:37:44.920 This was on Wednesday at the White House.

00:37:48.740 I plead to the entire administration, especially to the DOJ, is every single radical left winger who was in front of the ICE.

00:37:56.020 That wasn't the one.

00:37:56.960 Let me get the other one.

00:37:57.920 It's probably right below it.

00:37:59.240 Oh, my goodness.

00:38:05.120 How do I not have the right clip?

00:38:07.580 Was it Sav talking?

00:38:08.820 It was Sav, and it was when, here it is.

00:38:12.440 I got it now.

00:38:13.240 The question nobody can answer is why.

00:38:17.920 Why are they doing this?

00:38:19.140 They're like insurrectionists. 0.96

00:38:21.400 They're terrible people.

00:38:23.080 But you really wonder why.

00:38:24.480 Why are they doing it?

00:38:25.340 What are they gaining?

00:38:27.000 Other than they're obviously paid.

00:38:28.540 They're paid a lot of money.

00:38:30.100 Go ahead, please.

00:38:30.900 Mr. President, if I can answer that question, the reason why they're doing it is because the same media that's sitting in this room with us has declared all of us at this table Nazis and fascists, and they've been doing this for years.

00:38:43.260 This is why Antifa feels emboldened to attack us.

00:38:46.280 Now, almost every single person at this table has been threatened with a steel bat.

00:38:49.880 We've been assaulted.

00:38:50.800 We've been harassed.

00:38:51.560 We've been threatened.

00:38:52.360 And that is in huge part due to the media.

00:38:55.200 So my message right now is for you guys.

00:38:57.520 Because two years ago, or back in 2020, by the way, I was censored for my reporting on Antifa here in Washington, D.C.

00:39:06.100 You were talking about how safe it is now, Mr. President.

00:39:09.140 It wasn't so safe back then.

00:39:10.920 Back in 2020, I watched as a father was being mobbed and surrounded by Antifa members as his terrified crying children looked on, and the police here did nothing.

00:39:20.480 I watched as a woman had her hair violently ripped out of her skull simply for waving an American flag on the streets of Washington, D.C. 0.99

00:39:28.740 And by the way, if you guys try to go and find any of this footage, you won't find any of it because Twitter deleted all of it because our president shared my reporting, and they deleted my entire account immediately after.

00:39:39.600 So now, if you want to know what happened in 2020, all you're going to see is the media headlines that said that it was fiery but mostly peaceful.

00:39:47.020 Thanks for that one, CNN.

00:39:49.260 So this is something I thought it was very interesting that the president asked why is this happening, right?

00:39:55.300 So it was sort of a twofold question.

00:39:57.280 On the one hand, he's asking why are you guys all getting beaten up for doing reporting?

00:40:00.920 But on the other hand, he was asking why is Antifa doing this at all?

00:40:04.860 Like, what is the issue?

00:40:07.620 And I think we've talked a little bit about the media and why they're doing it.

00:40:12.300 They're basically handmaidens to this violent leftist organization that has so many deep tendrils, I think, internationally, in organizations, in NGOs, in not-for-profits, in local police departments somehow.

00:40:28.120 But what is it that Antifa is looking for?

00:40:31.800 Like, why is this enemy doing this?

00:40:35.180 What is it that they want?

00:40:36.580 I can answer that.

00:40:37.520 I mean, is it simply the violent overthrow of the government?

00:40:40.760 I mean, what is it?

00:40:41.700 Yes, for the ultimate goal is to destroy the United States.

00:40:47.700 Antifa as a movement, it's anarchist communism.

00:40:51.500 Like, people sometimes have just simply branded them as communists.

00:40:55.140 That's not the full picture.

00:40:57.380 Reality is that it was an extreme...

00:40:59.660 There are communists in Antifa, but they're more so, the majority of them are anarchists and anarchist communists.

00:41:06.820 And so the violence is done essentially out of nihilism.

00:41:13.260 And that's why there's such brutality in it.

00:41:15.720 Setting buildings on fire when people are inside.

00:41:18.160 Or in the case of, in June, the ICE facility, trying to lock and barricade the doors on the ICE facility and set it on fire when there are people inside.

00:41:25.860 These type of brutal, cruel, subhuman type of acts of violence.

00:41:32.220 And their motto is, become ungovernable.

00:41:35.620 So they want to destroy not just the U.S. as a nation, but they don't want to necessarily replace it with like a communist regime.

00:41:41.960 They want to destroy everything, all the institutions, the concept of nation states.

00:41:48.320 So when they do things like aid in giving out drug paraphernalia, there's a reason for that.

00:41:56.000 In the homelessness, they believe it's an attack, mass homelessness, they view as an attack on capitalism.

00:42:02.340 It's destabilizing to communities.

00:42:04.460 They like that.

00:42:05.420 They know that the money from the drugs that are flowing in, that are killing people, helps foreign and international cartel networks that keeps migrants coming in. 0.96

00:42:16.260 All that's meant to destabilize the U.S.

00:42:18.480 They know they don't have the tanks or the type of weapons that can compete with the U.S. military.

00:42:23.740 So their goals are attacking infrastructure and playing a very long game.

00:42:31.900 And they've had a lot of success.

00:42:33.320 I mean, 2016 was quite a big turning point.

00:42:35.380 Antifa in the U.S. have existed for a few decades.

00:42:38.020 They became mainstream in 2016 because the media, and why the mainstream media is so important to them, mainstreamed their message.

00:42:46.340 America had elected a fascist.

00:42:48.840 We need to resist.

00:42:50.620 We need to fight back by any means necessary.

00:42:54.180 And you see in that last nine years how Democrats and liberals in the mainstream have become much, much more open and tolerant to political violence.

00:43:03.680 Just think of their reactions every time that we've seen killings of individuals on the right or attempted killings.

00:43:11.040 It's been celebrations and encouragements for more.

00:43:14.040 And they make heroes out of those who have done the killings.

00:43:18.160 Do they want to replace it with anything?

00:43:21.020 Who's they? Antifa?

00:43:22.140 Does Antifa, do they want to replace the West or the United States with something else?

00:43:26.980 They believe that in the absence of nation states, their utopia would be autonomous zones.

00:43:34.280 They've had that type of project.

00:43:36.160 Look at Chaz in Seattle.

00:43:38.120 I was there undercover.

00:43:39.740 There were so many shootings there.

00:43:41.240 People were killed.

00:43:42.100 You know the people who were killed there? 0.97

00:43:43.320 They were black people. 0.98

00:43:44.280 And this was meant to be a refuge for black and brown bodies. 0.98

00:43:49.380 By the way, where were they killed? 0.96

00:43:50.960 Because this is the funny part.

00:43:52.360 Well, it's sad.

00:43:53.960 This is the ironic part. 0.97

00:43:54.900 It's ironic and ridiculous.

00:43:56.940 The first thing that happened in the Chaz was they got the six block area because Mayor Durkin and Police Commissioner Carmen Best capitulated a six block area in the spirit of quote unquote de-escalation. 0.79

00:44:07.380 So they had their own little fiefdom.

00:44:08.560 And the first thing they did was set up border checkpoints and put armed guards at the borders.

00:44:13.620 So they set up their own borders for their own autonomous zone that is supposedly part of a future where there are no borders.

00:44:21.540 And then those two black kids, 16 to 19 year old, they got shot at those border checkpoints and nobody was ever charged for those crimes.

00:44:29.880 And I didn't see any of the multinational corporations that are based in Seattle who donated hundreds of millions of dollars to BLM.

00:44:35.920 They didn't donate anything to their families.

00:44:37.600 No, I remember mostly just seeing a grieving father on the news.

00:44:41.500 That dad actually caught a bullet like two years later.

00:44:44.160 He didn't die.

00:44:45.200 That's insane.

00:44:46.180 He was shot as well.

00:44:47.200 Yeah.

00:44:48.040 That's awful.

00:44:48.560 Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there also an issue with because it was they set up communes, right?

00:44:52.940 Where you could go and get food and stuff, but they would continue to get raided by homeless people.

00:44:59.000 And, you know, they'd take all the food away.

00:45:00.540 Oh, they set up their little mutual aid.

00:45:01.680 No cop co-op.

00:45:02.060 No cop co-op.

00:45:03.180 No cop co-op.

00:45:04.100 Was it the mutual aid kitchens?

00:45:05.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:06.140 There's a really dark side to this homeless outreach where Antifa will give food and supplies.

00:45:13.360 It's not just to be charitable.

00:45:15.140 In the context of the riots, these encampments where the food is provided to homeless people,

00:45:19.960 they room the homeless people to become rioters.

00:45:23.460 And if you look through some of the exhibits that's in the ongoing lawsuit right now by the state of Oregon,

00:45:28.840 the city of Portland against the U.S. government and the Trump administration to block troops from being used for federalized service in the state of Oregon,

00:45:37.700 one of the exhibits included, I don't know if it was on accident.

00:45:40.160 There were hundreds of pages of things.

00:45:42.820 It was a write-up from the Portland police, and it described how an older homeless man at the ICE facility in the summer went up and told the officers there,

00:45:55.220 can you please just let me shake this because I'm being threatened to do it by the Antifa and the mob.

00:46:03.940 It's like riot ribs.

00:46:05.200 Riot ribs raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in the summer of 2020, and they're just, you know,

00:46:10.100 you'd see the tents that were allowed to basically be set up right across the street from the federal courthouse.

00:46:16.080 The city was allowing these tents to stay there, and you could see the shields, the wooden shields outside of the tents.

00:46:21.840 So these people who were homeless were actively participating in the riot.

00:46:25.140 It attracted vagrants.

00:46:26.080 Another thing why Antifa particularly targeted the vagrants to be rioters is because if they get arrested, they get charged, prosecuted,

00:46:33.120 it's of no consequence to the actual network.

00:46:35.800 This is like just riffraff.

00:46:37.440 So in 2020, when the courthouse was besieged in downtown, they were giving out explosives to like teens and youths and homeless people

00:46:45.600 and inciting them to throw it out the building.

00:46:48.080 There was one teenager who was federally convicted.

00:46:50.580 He had no idea who the person in Black Block was that handed him the explosive.

00:46:54.720 He just took it and he threw it, and it was a bomb. 0.94

00:46:59.220 And so that's like, I hope people realize how like depraved and wicked these militants are. 0.89

00:47:07.780 Yeah. 0.81

00:47:08.080 And there's so much propaganda and lies about it.

00:47:10.640 The frog costumes, animal costumes, wall of moms, all propaganda in service of violent militancy, violent extremism.

00:47:20.580 So this guy, just on that topic of the homeless people real quick, I believe his name is, correct me if I'm wrong, Richard Hernandez?

00:47:30.360 Is it, who's he?

00:47:31.840 Yes, that's the name.

00:47:32.940 Okay.

00:47:33.340 You're talking about the man who was burning a flag?

00:47:35.220 Burning the flag.

00:47:35.880 I talked to Portland Police about him.

00:47:37.960 There was one liaison that I will say that was very much on my side in this entire situation, like against the wishes of the rest of the police bureau, it seems.

00:47:46.080 And he kind of gave me a little bit of insight on this guy where Portland police actually believe that he is, he's being used, as you're saying, by these thugs, these Antifa thugs that are out on the street, using him to commit crimes, sometimes violent crimes, because they know that he won't be prosecuted for it.

00:48:07.200 Why won't he be prosecuted just because he's some homeless guy? 0.95

00:48:10.620 He's an insane homeless man. 0.96

00:48:12.320 I mean, you can hear him in the background. 0.99

00:48:14.280 Pretty much every video of me that people were taking, you can hear this guy in the background screaming threats at me. 0.96

00:48:23.800 And so they believe he's being compensated in some way and that he's being used because he's mentally ill.

00:48:30.580 I haven't been able to confirm that, but it sort of falls in line with what you're saying.

00:48:34.600 Those are some of the scarier ones, too, because they have literally nothing to lose as well.

00:48:39.520 And so those are the ones you definitely have to watch out for.

00:48:41.320 I remember the federal courthouse, the Marco Hatfield federal courthouse, across the river from that courthouse was that big encampment in 2020, I think it was, big homeless encampment.

00:48:52.220 A lot of the people that were rioting there each night were definitely over at that homeless encampment because we went to go check it out and they spotted us.

00:48:58.540 Yeah, it was a state-sanctioned homeless encampment.

00:48:59.220 For sure.

00:48:59.560 Literally.

00:49:00.020 I don't know if it's still there.

00:49:01.020 Yeah, but the state set up a place for that. 0.98

00:49:02.920 It was a shelter.

00:49:03.840 Yeah, it was a big, it was a huge, like, rectangle block.

00:49:06.800 There was a video, so Trumpet Man would sound the trumpet.

00:49:09.980 Wasn't he over there?

00:49:10.860 Wasn't he in the homeless facility?

00:49:11.780 Yeah, so that's what I'm getting to is the Trumpet Man, like I mentioned him extensively in the book.

00:49:16.760 Number one, Jorge interviewed the Trumpet Man and the Trumpet Man revealed that his own dad is a cop.

00:49:23.180 And so, A, his dad is a cop.

00:49:25.580 You know, obviously he had problems with his dad growing up and now he's lashing out in that way.

00:49:29.820 But the Trumpet Man who was at all these riots, then two months later in, like, October, November, there's a video of a guy filming that encampment, massive encampment.

00:49:40.300 And he's like, oh, it's Trumpet Man.

00:49:41.840 It's Trumpet Man.

00:49:43.020 I remember that one.

00:49:43.680 Yeah, like, most of the people out there were.

00:49:45.240 For people that don't know, Trumpet Man was a, what would you consider him, an Antifa influencer?

00:49:50.520 You would show up some nights and, like, some of the famous Antifa rioters would show up and everyone would be like, oh my gosh, it's this person.

00:49:56.980 Can we get a photo with you?

00:49:57.840 Like, they have their own little, like, political climate and celebrity groups within, like, their own movements.

00:50:03.180 And I was going to say outside of the ICE detention facility the other day when I was there, I was talking to a few of the –

00:50:08.900 This was Portland?

00:50:09.780 Yeah, this is Portland.

00:50:11.100 I was talking to a few of the people that were – they're setting up – they have, like, a little camp on the sidewalk.

00:50:15.480 They just basically took over public property and it's theirs for some reason.

00:50:18.900 And a handful of them are sleeping there.

00:50:21.720 And so I would ask them what they're doing for work or if they are working or anything like that.

00:50:25.180 And at least the couple that I was talking to, they were noticeably mentally ill, perhaps drug addicts, I'm not exactly sure.

00:50:33.340 But the girl that – I think it was the girl that I was talking to, she was saying that, no, no, she lives on the street.

00:50:40.300 She sleeps there and that's what she does. 1.00

00:50:42.720 And so a lot of these people still are homeless that are there at their encampment outside of the ICE detention facility in Portland.

00:50:50.240 Yeah, I mean, you've seen what happens when you try to walk down that sidewalk that they've claimed is theirs?

00:50:57.560 Well, I watched what happened to you.

00:50:59.240 They were a little bit better with me, but they didn't know who I was at all.

00:51:04.400 And it was during the – did you try it at nighttime?

00:51:07.860 Yes.

00:51:08.600 Okay, nighttime is – they're much more territorial over the property that they've annexed.

00:51:13.640 Daytime, I was kind of going in there with the camera, checking out what they had and asking questions.

00:51:18.300 But they were telling me like, oh, yeah, the school, this elementary school right next to us that they set up shop at.

00:51:25.540 That's what that property is, I believe.

00:51:27.480 That's what I was told.

00:51:28.740 They ended up leaving because of the constant rioting.

00:51:32.040 The property next to it apparently isn't renewing their lease because of the constant rioting.

00:51:36.660 The apparently low-income apartments across the street, I was told it's at like 35 percent occupancy.

00:51:48.300 And when I was talking to Antifa about that, they were saying, well, it's because of ICE and the Republicans that are showing up every night to provoke us.

00:51:58.380 And I'm thinking to myself, hold on.

00:51:59.960 So all of these people are leaving because of the constant rioting and it's everyone else's fault and not your guys' fault for rioting.

00:52:05.480 That's basically how they're looking at this.

00:52:06.840 Everything is everyone else's fault and not theirs for rioting over 100 days straight.

00:52:12.340 When they kill people, they say it's the victim's fault.

00:52:16.020 Right.

00:52:16.660 Well, how even did the Portland police say the same thing?

00:52:19.260 The Portland police chief saying that it was my fault because I was filming and so that was agitation.

00:52:24.320 I mean, that doesn't make any sense.

00:52:27.280 I mean, if you're going to talk about victim blaming, I would say that's probably one of the best ways that they use to spin the narrative.

00:52:33.920 Yeah. No, no, no. It's it's not your fault for filming zoo animals.

00:52:37.080 It's the zoo animals fault for misbehaving when you're filming them.

00:52:40.300 You know.

00:52:40.800 So Christy Noem had said that she was pledging a lot more government support for DHS in Portland, including new buildings for DHS activity.

00:52:51.320 Do you think there's going to be protests at anything that they set up in Portland?

00:52:55.680 Do you think this is?

00:52:56.240 You know, what's funny is that the facility that they're protesting at isn't even a detention facility for the most part.

00:53:02.740 It's got like four cells in it.

00:53:04.520 Right.

00:53:04.700 It's a large administrative building.

00:53:07.260 The actual ICE facility isn't there.

00:53:10.500 They're not.

00:53:11.020 I mean, a lot of these people don't know that.

00:53:12.740 If you walk up to them and tell them that, they'll be like, huh, really?

00:53:16.080 Yeah.

00:53:16.460 So they're also just in the wrong place.

00:53:18.380 They're in the wrong place.

00:53:19.460 If they are getting new properties and they're expanding, first of all, they can like, you know, spread that throughout the city.

00:53:24.820 It's very difficult for all of these groups to be so activated that they're showing up to all of those properties, all of those facilities and having big numbers every night.

00:53:33.520 Yeah, it's very difficult.

00:53:34.420 Unless like something big happens and it's in the news, then you get a push.

00:53:38.340 Right.

00:53:38.500 You get like people energized and they don't so much have that aside from just the stories that come out.

00:53:43.400 And usually it's just some hoax that comes out about deportations.

00:53:45.840 Oh, well, they're handcuffing babies at night. 1.00

00:53:48.680 And you're like, dude, come on. 1.00

00:53:50.020 That was the stupidest thing. 1.00

00:53:51.840 That was a dad making a joke video with his kid. 1.00

00:53:53.940 Yeah, I see.

00:53:54.480 The dad's literally a cop.

00:53:55.560 And they were screaming at it in megaphones up to the rooftop.

00:53:57.840 And so the rest of the crowd is like, oh, my God, really?

00:54:00.220 They're handcuffing babies in the middle of the night? 0.78

00:54:02.320 So it's stuff like that that's getting them motivated to show up.

00:54:05.360 When I'm talking to the people outside, just like everyday people that are showing up, not even the Antifa, but just everyday leftists that are showing up at the ICE detention facility in Portland,

00:54:12.520 they would be giving that reason as a reason for showing up and, you know, showing their solidarity.

00:54:17.620 Right. It's like every single reason that they show up to protest ICE is a hoax.

00:54:21.980 So these are the leftists who are energized by fake news headlines, show up to basically support Antifa.

00:54:29.160 I may be misquoting, but I seem to remember Che Guevara saying that he would not have been able to do what he did without community support.

00:54:35.600 You're talking about some members of the community who are unhappy about this, people leaving the apartment buildings.

00:54:41.260 I know Katie did some work over the summer. 1.00

00:54:42.960 She talked to a woman who essentially sued to try and get the riots to stop. 1.00

00:54:48.040 She did sue.

00:54:48.780 Yeah, she did sue. 0.95

00:54:49.460 It went to trial.

00:54:50.520 And she lost, right?

00:54:51.520 The judge sided with the Portland police in the city that there was no legal requirement for the Portland police to respond.

00:54:56.760 Right.

00:54:57.220 So what are the conditions that are making Portland a comfy place for Antifa to do this? 0.92

00:55:04.780 And is that spreading in other parts of the country?

00:55:07.580 We saw Savannah Hernandez did a bunch of work over the, was it over the summer?

00:55:11.400 I don't remember exactly when it was, but in Brooklyn showing people putting a stop to traffic in order to, like, just cars on the road in some sort of anti-immigration protest.

00:55:24.060 And then completely being like, oh, no, you have to get to work.

00:55:26.460 That's too bad for you.

00:55:27.260 Anti-ICE protests.

00:55:28.320 Anti-ICE protests.

00:55:29.500 Yeah, we saw in Chicago just recently people rammed their car into DHS agents, and some of these people were illegal immigrants and affiliated with, you know, drug cartels.

00:55:43.300 What are the conditions on the ground that are – and in 2020 also we saw a groundswell of support from local communities where, you know, Antifa would go in, BLM would go in and stage all of these protests.

00:55:55.420 And then you'd have, you know, a bunch of teenagers start marching around Seattle.

00:56:00.580 You know, you had all of this support.

00:56:03.300 How are they getting this groundswell of support?

00:56:06.280 Do you anticipate something like that, like what we saw in 2020 for this anti-immigration, you know, anti-ICE stuff coming?

00:56:15.540 And how are they able to secure that support where they do have it?

00:56:18.980 I can speak to this.

00:56:20.300 So I'm from Portland originally, and Portland is an example of what happens when a city, county, and state is completely dominated by Democrats.

00:56:31.660 And so they control everything, all institutions, government, control the purse, the money as well.

00:56:38.160 And even on institutions that are meant to be or required to be apolitical, like prosecutors, police, they get pressured to become politicized.

00:56:50.840 They get rewarded for being politicized in the right way.

00:56:54.100 So in 2020, going back to that, district attorney who came into power in August 2020 during the riots at its height, immediately – he was very progressive.

00:57:04.420 He immediately announced that week he wasn't going to prosecute a whole list of riot-related crimes.

00:57:10.760 And that completely – that gave essentially permission to the rioters to, like, do whatever the hell we want.

00:57:16.600 And they did.

00:57:17.700 Police did make arrests.

00:57:19.380 The Portland police at that time, they were using things like tear gas and such, making mass arrests sometimes.

00:57:25.540 By the end of the 120 nights of rioting, there were almost 1,000 arrest cases.

00:57:34.420 Well, that goes to the DA's office, and DA's office stamped, no complaint, no complaint, no complaint, which means that they're dropping the case.

00:57:44.440 They did that to 90% of the cases.

00:57:47.260 And it's not just a DA at that time who's to blame.

00:57:50.400 We had a U.S. attorney in Oregon – so this is under Trump's DOJ in the first administration, by the way – who dropped a lot of the federal cases as well and or gave them sweetheart plea deals.

00:58:06.340 I remember – yeah, I remember a lot of sweetheart plea deal headlines that we had.

00:58:10.440 In the same federal courthouse that was being assailed every single night, which is the irony, though.

00:58:14.400 And you had city council on the side of the rioters, the mayor who's sympathetic to the leftists, the governor then, the governor now.

00:58:23.500 So it works as a whole machine, and it's replicated in other Democrat-controlled states like Washington state and other places.

00:58:31.860 I think that they really rely on, like I was mentioning previously, news stories or an individual that they can base their movement off of to get everybody energized and engaged and wanting to show up.

00:58:45.220 So they certainly have – like the more that ICE is in the news for whatever hoax is happening, the more they can get people out there.

00:58:52.460 How is it going to compare to 2020 or 2021?

00:58:58.800 One, I do think that they're going to rely – they need to rely on something bigger.

00:59:03.400 But also, I don't know – Andy, I'm curious your thoughts on this.

00:59:07.060 I don't know that they'll be able to keep it up nationally as we get closer to winter just because a lot of these people are fair-weather protesters.

00:59:14.060 Maybe they come back next year.

00:59:15.200 But it will start dwindling.

00:59:16.660 This is my guess.

00:59:17.400 Once the snow is happening.

00:59:18.280 It's really entertaining to go out there when it's raining, and there's just no – like the fascism stops when the rain comes.

00:59:24.620 Like they're no longer Hitler and Nazis because of bad weather, and that's – we don't want to get wet.

00:59:31.780 Right.

00:59:32.320 But I expect it to kind of slow down unless there's something big that happens, and that could happen.

00:59:37.180 I mean, you know, the more that they're interfering with federal operations, the more that they're, you know, preventing these officers from doing their jobs, the more opportunities there are, unfortunately, for mistakes or things to happen, right?

00:59:53.840 They're trying to use that – what was he, a preacher?

00:59:58.520 He was not.

00:59:59.420 He was a man – he was an activist dressed as a preacher.

01:00:02.320 An activist dressed as a priest.

01:00:04.120 And then what do they – what do all the rags do?

01:00:06.160 They say, oh, well, a priest has been thrown on the ground.

01:00:09.000 He was definitely not a priest.

01:00:09.840 He said he was a pastor with some kind of church.

01:00:11.920 You'll see how they use that stuff, though.

01:00:13.380 You can call yourself a pastor.

01:00:14.820 You'll get people to show up this weekend and be like, did you see?

01:00:17.680 He got hit with a pepper ball.

01:00:18.760 I don't know why he's, like, you know, interfering with federal agents and their duties or whatever.

01:00:22.960 I don't know what he's doing.

01:00:24.240 But, yeah, he got hit with a pepper ball.

01:00:26.160 And, unfortunately, I guess he got hit in the head with it.

01:00:28.640 Yeah, pepper ball ain't bad.

01:00:29.660 I've been hit in the head with it.

01:00:30.320 I got hit – I still have the scars on my arm from the tear gas shell that shot me in the arm and leg.

01:00:34.900 Yeah. 1.00

01:00:35.360 I didn't sue because I was playing stupid games and I won that stupid prize. 0.99

01:00:38.380 Well, the officers also, like, aren't John Wick. 1.00

01:00:40.700 Like, they'll fire it.

01:00:41.660 No, no.

01:00:42.040 This guy was John Wick.

01:00:43.120 He's straight up – you're supposed to shoot the tear gas canisters off the ground.

01:00:46.400 And I was – this is my first night.

01:00:47.900 Talk about your first night in Portland.

01:00:49.360 My first night in Portland, July of 2020.

01:00:51.660 I show up.

01:00:52.180 I'm live on the Daily Caller's Facebook.

01:00:55.040 And –

01:00:55.280 Oh, those were good live streams that you guys were doing for a minute there.

01:00:57.100 Oh, yeah, they were good.

01:00:57.620 Those were great live streams.

01:00:58.600 And you can only do it when it's chaotic because otherwise it will triangulate your position.

01:01:01.780 So they're all out.

01:01:03.140 You know, they're pushing everybody back.

01:01:04.760 And I'm in between the rioters and the police.

01:01:07.300 And I'm, like, shaking my gas mask because the guy aims the breech-loaded tear gas shell right at me.

01:01:13.000 They're supposed to shoot it off the ground.

01:01:14.180 And he just blasts me in the arm.

01:01:16.020 My phone falls on the ground.

01:01:17.100 I'm swearing.

01:01:18.080 And as I go to pick up my phone, he reloads and blasts me again in the leg.

01:01:22.140 Wait, wait, wait.

01:01:22.540 Hold on.

01:01:22.940 Hold on.

01:01:23.140 He shot a tear gas canister at you.

01:01:25.500 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:01:25.920 Did that, like, break your arm?

01:01:26.460 Oh, yeah.

01:01:26.980 I thought I broke my radius.

01:01:28.200 Like, I literally thought – I mean, I still have the scar on my arm and it's a bigger one on my leg.

01:01:32.480 Are they still shooting those?

01:01:33.920 Do they stop?

01:01:34.860 Because those are dangerous.

01:01:35.840 I don't know.

01:01:36.460 Those – yeah, it was not fun.

01:01:37.680 But with that being said, it's like I put myself in that situation.

01:01:41.320 There were lawsuits from protest rioters complaining that they were shot with rubber bullets.

01:01:47.160 Yeah, those are worse than the pepper ball.

01:01:48.700 I will say the rubber bullet hurts.

01:01:50.120 The 40 millimeter?

01:01:50.820 Yes, 40 millimeter.

01:01:51.580 But they were suing about the rubber bullets.

01:01:54.340 Yeah, the metal wire –

01:01:55.120 It's also scary.

01:01:55.760 Yeah.

01:01:56.020 The way that the rubber bullets came in is that all of the police departments were required to use less lethal munitions.

01:02:02.400 Yeah.

01:02:03.040 And then also, apparently, you can't use those.

01:02:05.220 Like, what's the deal?

01:02:06.060 How are police officers –

01:02:07.280 You just have to – it's just going to be hand-to-hand combat from now on.

01:02:09.700 It's just doing that.

01:02:10.300 That's what they want.

01:02:11.020 I mean, what is certainly effective is tear gas is effective.

01:02:15.220 Pepper balls are pretty effective, too.

01:02:16.360 Whatever they're using in Portland, by the way, those pepper balls.

01:02:18.920 So, basically, it's a paintball thing, hard shell, whatever's inside, some chemical irritant.

01:02:25.100 Yeah.

01:02:25.360 And whatever they were using in Portland the other day was really strong.

01:02:29.860 I mean, it's way, way spicier than I remember. 1.00

01:02:31.860 I love those spicy pepper balls.

01:02:32.040 You get a little bit of – like, it can be shot 10 minutes ago, and that wind picks up a little bit.

01:02:36.280 It'll pick it right back off the ground.

01:02:37.320 It'll just shoot the ground, and it'll be getting – I mean, it'll stick around for 10 minutes.

01:02:41.180 I still have a backpack that I can't use because it's still covered in pepper balls.

01:02:44.160 Every time I grab it, it's like it gets on my hands again.

01:02:47.500 Super spicy.

01:02:48.600 It just, like, flashes me right back to 2020.

01:02:51.120 But so they have strategy for it.

01:02:53.320 They go around, and they just pour water all over it, like the Antifa people do.

01:02:59.760 And then they have – I saw these people when I was up on the rooftop.

01:03:03.600 They had cones, which was interesting.

01:03:06.500 So if there were some sort of, like, tear gas or something –

01:03:09.180 Oh, yeah.

01:03:09.360 They put the cone over it with the water on it.

01:03:11.140 Right.

01:03:11.580 And, you know, what they do in that case is they just start unloading pepper balls on you.

01:03:16.720 But these people just weren't affected by that at all.

01:03:19.520 So I don't know.

01:03:20.620 Maybe they will have to – if it intensifies, they're going to have to use something more than that.

01:03:24.580 But these left-wing groups, they hold, like, trainings for their, quote-unquote, medics and media and all that stuff that they have.

01:03:31.820 But all of it revolves around rioting and what to do.

01:03:35.540 I don't know – I mean, in 2020 and 2021, like, you would never get an interview with somebody that you would consider Antifa.

01:03:43.100 But I was talking to a medic the other day, quote-unquote, medic that they had, and she was spilling the beans.

01:03:47.800 And she kind of realized halfway through the conversation that I was asking all these probing questions about their tactics and how often they're holding, you know, trainings.

01:03:54.920 You have this clip-up?

01:03:56.520 I actually – not yet.

01:03:58.420 I will release it, though, because it's pretty interesting because she's saying, oh, yeah, we train, you know, once a month and mainly having to do with what to do at riots and how to take care of people.

01:04:09.360 And I'm just listening to this.

01:04:10.680 Like, I can't even believe you're spilling all this.

01:04:12.020 But once again, a lot of these people – there's probably different categories.

01:04:15.180 Andy, I don't know if you have, like, a breakdown of who you consider kind of Antifa and who these people are. 0.96

01:04:21.160 You'll have, like, mentally ill. 0.95

01:04:22.760 You'll have homeless. 0.96

01:04:23.900 You'll have drug addicts.

01:04:24.980 You'll have – 0.98

01:04:25.380 Trans.

01:04:25.620 You'll have –

01:04:26.800 Basement drawers.

01:04:27.800 You'll have – it's kind of like this big mixture of people.

01:04:31.580 Some are threatening.

01:04:32.320 Some aren't threatening.

01:04:33.040 The homeless people that have nothing to lose, that are violent, those ones are scary because they don't care. 1.00

01:04:36.760 And so, you know, I don't know where she was on that, but she was definitely, you know –

01:04:42.580 Was this an actual she or was it one of the – there was one that was dressed in military fatigues that had the medic and the trans flag next to it, which was –

01:04:52.060 Yeah, she ran up to me with pepper spray and was like, you can't film medics. 1.00

01:04:55.780 That's illegal in Oregon.

01:04:57.360 And somebody came up behind her and knocked the pepper spray out of her. 0.99

01:05:00.340 Yeah, they make up these rules that you, like, somehow have to abide by.

01:05:03.920 I don't know what's going on there.

01:05:04.860 No, this girl was wearing, you know, their yellow vest people that they have. 0.98

01:05:08.580 Is that the National Lawyers Guild?

01:05:10.220 No.

01:05:10.700 Those are the green hats.

01:05:11.300 That's a topic.

01:05:11.960 Those are the green hats.

01:05:12.300 Because I remember when I used to go to protests when I was, like, a leftist and I would go to protests, mostly I protested the Iraq War and the Patriot Act, so I would still protest both those things.

01:05:23.560 But anyway, the National Lawyers Guild would come out and you'd, like, end up talking to National Lawyers Guild people and they'd tell you what to do.

01:05:31.680 And we didn't have cell phones, but, you know, they were like, if you did have cell phones, you know, delete all your contacts, put them somewhere else, write phone numbers on your arm because you're not going to be able to, they're going to take your stuff.

01:05:45.720 So you want to be able to make your phone call.

01:05:47.840 And they were very, they would be very aggressive.

01:05:51.460 Like, I remember marching around with, like, the transit union on, was it 57th Street in New York City?

01:05:57.960 And Jerry Springer was there, and that was pretty funny.

01:06:00.780 But I think I still have photos of that.

01:06:04.160 But you were recently talking about the National Lawyers Guild, and even all these years later, I was surprised to find that these guys were, like, the epitome of, you know, far-left crazy people.

01:06:16.080 How effective are they?

01:06:17.080 So the National Lawyers Guild is probably the most important support auxiliary group.

01:06:22.480 I saw them de-arrest people back in, like, 2003, but, yeah.

01:06:26.140 NLG is the most important group that supports Antifa because they provide the legal aid, and they have a huge infrastructure for it.

01:06:35.140 It's a non-profit, and they have chapters at basically all the law universities across the United States.

01:06:45.120 So students, radical leftist students who are in a JD program become members, and they volunteer to be, they say, legal observers.

01:06:55.040 You see them wearing a green hat or a green helmet now.

01:06:58.220 And when I first saw them years ago back then, and I knew nothing about them, I was very naive.

01:07:03.180 I was thinking, oh, these were independent legal observers just keeping an eye on things and making sure that people's civil rights aren't violated.

01:07:11.080 No, no, no, no, no.

01:07:12.400 They're there to aid in the rioting itself.

01:07:16.800 They themselves usually do not commit crimes or smarter than that, but they're there to record things selectively, gather evidence for the lawfare against police in cities to try to restrict police's ability to use certain tools.

01:07:31.680 For a time in Portland, and this might be in effect now, for example, Portland police were barred by the city council from using tear gas.

01:07:42.200 I don't know if that's still an effect, but there was like, anyways, the NLGL also provides bail funds, and it's an old group.

01:07:50.320 It goes back to the time when communists were quite active politically in the U.S., and they were providing legal counsel and aid to them.

01:07:59.000 That's like kind of their origins.

01:08:02.180 On their website today, they have a post that's been up for years explaining that they don't condemn political violence, that they say fascism has to be defeated by any means necessary.

01:08:16.360 On whose website?

01:08:17.680 NLGL.

01:08:18.540 No way.

01:08:19.200 Yes.

01:08:20.240 Well, I don't know why I'm surprised about that.

01:08:22.000 Who bankrolls them? 0.67

01:08:23.640 That's a huge question, yeah.

01:08:25.140 Well, you can pull up their tax filing.

01:08:30.520 Yeah, that one.

01:08:32.720 They're required to fill it out.

01:08:34.060 They have a lot of money.

01:08:35.460 And then it's – so NLGL is the biggest one, but they have like affiliate groups that function the same way in a region or a state level.

01:08:42.420 In Oregon, there are several of these.

01:08:44.380 They get state funding, taxpayer funds through the grants from the state.

01:08:49.620 One gets money from Tides, which is Soros.

01:08:55.000 They're getting money from the state to fight the state?

01:08:58.520 Yes.

01:08:59.100 They get grants.

01:08:59.920 Fantastic.

01:09:00.480 Andy, did you happen to give any information about that to the Trump administration the other day?

01:09:06.740 Because all of these little things, you know, if we can get these at the forefront of the conversation, whether – you know, maybe they can't shut that down, but maybe they can create consequences for states using taxpayer dollars going to these groups.

01:09:22.540 So, you know, we were each given an opportunity to speak maximum five minutes, two to five minutes.

01:09:27.720 So none of us could get into the granular of anything.

01:09:31.040 Yeah.

01:09:31.200 And –

01:09:32.520 I know you were giving them some documentation, though.

01:09:35.280 Yes, there was.

01:09:36.740 I didn't mention the analogy on that.

01:09:38.760 I kept it shorter.

01:09:40.300 But that's part of – like, the Antifa apparatus has to – it's big, and it includes – the nonprofits is a huge part of it.

01:09:50.280 That's why, over and over, we see even the suspects who are prosecuted because they did things like felony arson or stabbing somebody, like really serious felonies.

01:10:02.200 They get out with sweetheart deals because they have free legal representation that's funded by taxpayers for specifically far-left terrorists.

01:10:12.520 Is this something that came up in the – oh, go ahead.

01:10:15.080 Well, just wanted to add this.

01:10:16.120 I actually responded to your post about the – I didn't know much about the National Lawyers Guild until, I guess, when I was – I lived in Austin at the time.

01:10:24.300 This was last year in the summer.

01:10:26.860 Me and my ex-girlfriend lived down there, and we were covering the –

01:10:29.580 My city.

01:10:30.520 Yeah, parts of it.

01:10:32.820 Okay.

01:10:34.380 They're turning it into a hellhole.

01:10:36.060 But anyway, so we're at UT Austin where there were protests happening there over – I believe they were, like, over Israel or something.

01:10:42.740 So you had these National Lawyers Guild people in the green hats that are down there, and my ex-girlfriend was recording the – just the unrest that was going on there at UT Austin.

01:10:55.600 And this NLG chick came up, grabbed my girlfriend's phone, chucked it on the ground, just – I mean, just – and it shattered the entire screen, and the phone – the touchscreen didn't work anymore or anything like that. 0.98

01:11:08.280 And Portland – or not Portland – UT Austin's general counsel saw it happen, and so he actually went and helped us file with police against this woman.

01:11:22.060 We knew who she was and everything.

01:11:23.000 We had her name, had her picture, and the Travis County DA declined to prosecute the case.

01:11:29.580 Why?

01:11:30.620 They just –

01:11:31.200 Oh, because it's Travis County and it's Austin.

01:11:33.620 They just didn't care.

01:11:34.580 Yeah.

01:11:34.740 So, I mean, you say that a lot of times they're not committing crimes.

01:11:38.600 It's like one of the only encounters I've ever had with them is when they committed a crime by taking my girlfriend's phone and chucking it on the ground intentionally, like – spiking it.

01:11:48.620 Wrong spike.

01:11:49.580 A lot of these groups are really lucky that they get babied by their local leadership, by conservatives that they encounter, if I'm being totally honest with you.

01:11:57.740 I mean, they're really lucky that people have so much – I don't know what the word is – tolerance for their behavior, you know, because you have one conversation with these people.

01:12:09.060 Not even Antifa.

01:12:10.160 I mean, you have one conversation with, like, the groups – what is it?

01:12:13.320 50-51, who's, I believe, funded by Indivisible, who is funded by –

01:12:18.100 50-50-01?

01:12:19.840 Open Society.

01:12:20.520 55 – isn't it?

01:12:21.720 I don't know.

01:12:22.300 I don't know quite.

01:12:23.380 It's 50-50-1.

01:12:24.820 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:25.200 So, what is that, 50 states, 50 cities, one protest?

01:12:28.880 Is that what it stands for?

01:12:29.860 Because it sparked up when they started doing the –

01:12:31.800 I remember hearing about it when Tim mentioned it, and he was like, they do it like that so that it's hard to look up.

01:12:36.900 Because you wouldn't look up 50-51 as 50-50-1.

01:12:40.120 For sure.

01:12:40.560 Yeah.

01:12:41.120 But they're the ones that put on a lot of the boomer protests that you guys see all over the country.

01:12:45.800 Like the folk singers?

01:12:47.340 I don't know about that, but in Orange County –

01:12:50.020 It's a bunch of old white people. 1.00

01:12:51.020 For sure.

01:12:51.640 In Orange County, where I'm from, they do a protest every single day.

01:12:55.200 And, you know, even these people, they're – I don't even know what my point of bringing that up was.

01:13:01.380 I was talking about the 50-50-1. 0.89

01:13:03.240 I was so fixated on that.

01:13:04.320 What were we just talking about?

01:13:05.180 Well, we were going to start talking about the – you were talking about the National Lawyers Guild.

01:13:09.220 National Lawyers Guild.

01:13:09.640 I have more to say.

01:13:10.300 I'll come back to it.

01:13:11.000 I'll come back to it.

01:13:11.620 I lost my thought.

01:13:12.200 But I also wanted to talk about funding.

01:13:13.660 I mean, if you want to –

01:13:14.620 Well, I mean, SPLC's Southern Poverty Law Center organization, nonprofit, has 500 millions in assets, smears targets on the right, has a hate watch list, creates lists of people to target.

01:13:32.080 One of their attorneys, one of their staffers, an NLG member, was arrested on a really violent Antifa riot in the Atlanta area in 2023, I believe.

01:13:44.000 And he was charged with domestic terrorism along with 60 other individuals.

01:13:48.420 So, talking about NLG a moment ago in criminality, I'm also aware that members of the NLG, they will – they aid Antifa in doxing individuals because, you know, these are law students.

01:14:01.620 They have access very easily to court records, property records.

01:14:04.720 So, that's how they're able to get very personal information that's usually, for the layman, a bit more difficult to gather.

01:14:11.400 They can get all that.

01:14:12.280 Oh, because they have the whole law library at their disposal with all of those internet resources, Lexus, and all the rest of it.

01:14:18.420 But, yeah, Nexus.

01:14:19.160 So, they get that information.

01:14:20.540 They provide it to Antifa.

01:14:21.720 So, if people ever wondered, like, how did, like, they find out, like, everything about myself, my spouse, my children, properties that we own, or properties we used to live in, all that information they get through members of the NLG.

01:14:34.560 I actually remember what I was going to say.

01:14:36.320 Oh, go for it.

01:14:36.820 Because we were talking about, you know, people documenting, people committing crimes or anything, and they're 100% selective.

01:14:42.100 My point of bringing up the boomers, right, was even they have the shortest fuse, where they'll full-on assault you, they'll assault my camera guy, they'll, and not all the time. 1.00

01:14:52.680 I'm in Orange County, right?

01:14:53.680 So, you have a bunch of white, old boomers and whatnot, but they'll grab your camera gear, and they'll misbehave all around you. 1.00

01:14:59.500 And this is when you're being nice to them. 1.00

01:15:03.280 I mean, my strategy is kill them with kindness. 1.00

01:15:05.920 Right. 1.00

01:15:06.020 We are so respectful.

01:15:07.500 We are way more respectful than we need to be, and they still have the shortest fuse ever.

01:15:11.120 You do a great job with that, by the way.

01:15:12.240 I'll watch your videos, and I'm like, and he's still being nice.

01:15:15.360 I genuinely like people.

01:15:16.500 I like people, and I'm fairly happy, right?

01:15:19.400 So, I don't let them ruin my day.

01:15:21.580 And to be quite honest with you, I mean, it's like, to watch people have that short of a fuse, it is kind of funny.

01:15:26.760 I mean, you're just like, how did you get this far?

01:15:28.600 What happened along the way that made you act like this?

01:15:31.400 But my point is, even the boomers have the shortest fuse. 0.99

01:15:34.840 So, these Antifa groups, these more left-wing, militant, aggressive groups, I mean, you say one tiny thing.

01:15:41.460 You treat them one-tenth the way that they treat you, and they will snap.

01:15:45.940 And back to my original point, they are lucky that conservatives are so kind to them, and people in local leadership is so tolerant of their awful behavior.

01:15:54.820 Well, is it lucky, or is it sort of coordinated in terms of local leadership, which tolerates this?

01:15:59.540 I just mean that their political opposition is not morally bankrupt, and I think that they're good.

01:16:05.060 Conservatives, I think, across the board are pretty darn good people.

01:16:08.160 And even if you're not, like, hardcore conservative, you know, center-right, just normal.

01:16:11.320 You're sort of upholding Judeo-Christian values that the boomers, in their haste to rebel against their parents, ditched along the way, helping to destroy the civil society in America. 0.94

01:16:21.260 For sure, for sure. It's definitely, like, an entire party that is, at this point, just completely morally bankrupt.

01:16:27.700 And you're seeing that in the younger generations as well when it comes to the left-wing is you see those polls?

01:16:32.660 How many polls have come out celebration of murdering Elon Musk, Donald Trump, celebrating murdering their political opposition?

01:16:40.820 I mean, it's tenfold. It's ten times the amount that conservative polls have shown.

01:16:44.340 And those are, like, you know, those aren't, like, conservative pollsters showing that data.

01:16:48.840 It's across the board. There's countless polls showing this when it comes to left-wing celebrating the murder, the brutal violence against their political opposition.

01:16:56.540 It's horrifying.

01:16:57.600 But the focus on the anti-ice protests and riots, I hope people don't forget that just a few months ago, people were shooting up Tesla stores and setting them on fire.

01:17:06.700 Firebombing them.

01:17:08.000 Yeah.

01:17:08.780 It's so frequent that I think people do forget.

01:17:11.040 I mean, I forget about that when I'm talking about that stuff on the street because it's, like, every single month it's something new.

01:17:16.820 There's a new trend of violence.

01:17:18.780 Yeah.

01:17:19.380 So there's two things that I still want to talk about.

01:17:22.040 One is the normalization of left-wing violence that you just mentioned, Andy, because I think that that is going on.

01:17:28.300 And so, you know, it's sort of like the normalization of crime.

01:17:31.540 You know, people in D.C.

01:17:33.860 We were talking about this last night.

01:17:35.740 You know, Trump was cracking down on crime in D.C.

01:17:38.400 And it is a totally different vibe now when you walk around D.C. than it was six months ago.

01:17:43.920 You know, now you walk around D.C. and it doesn't feel like you're a target.

01:17:47.720 It doesn't feel like there's hordes of teenagers just looking to, like, hurt people.

01:17:52.780 You know, you don't see tons of homeless people where you think, oh, that guy's going to jump up and be crazy.

01:17:57.440 You don't see it.

01:17:58.080 It's not like that.

01:17:58.900 Every Saturday night in Washington, D.C., there was something, especially in the summertime.

01:18:04.600 Right.

01:18:05.280 Always something bad going on.

01:18:06.880 Always, like, massive mobs of kids.

01:18:09.760 It would be scary.

01:18:10.440 Like, if you walked around, like, over in the, you know, where there's stuff, I would take my son to.

01:18:16.640 Yeah, I would take my son to.

01:18:17.640 That's where all the nice cars are.

01:18:18.960 Yeah, and there's a good concert venue that I've gone to a couple of times.

01:18:23.200 I forget what it's called.

01:18:23.900 The Anthem or something?

01:18:24.980 Anthem, yeah.

01:18:25.320 Yeah, that's a nice concert venue.

01:18:27.440 But you walk around to get there and you're like, oh, there's 20 teenagers.

01:18:31.240 I'm like anyone, you know, I'm scared of 20 teenagers.

01:18:34.380 Yeah.

01:18:34.820 I was scared of 20 teenagers when I was one of them because I was always, like, with three teenagers, not 20.

01:18:40.240 That's why I drive a stick shift car.

01:18:41.680 Right.

01:18:42.140 If you drive a stick shift and it's not stealing.

01:18:44.020 Right, they don't want it.

01:18:45.040 None of the young kids, nobody under the age of 18 can drive stick shifts.

01:18:48.540 Back just a few months ago, you had no-go zones for Ubers. 0.57

01:18:53.260 If you were in that area, the Ubers wouldn't get killed. 0.98

01:18:55.240 I was right there when that guy got killed.

01:18:56.800 That Uber driver, he got tased and then the car flipped in the yard.

01:18:59.200 Do you guys both live in D.C.?

01:19:00.800 I live in D.C.

01:19:02.080 Was that the two teenage girls who carjacked and he was, like, Bangladeshi or something like that?

01:19:07.760 Yeah.

01:19:08.480 That was crazy.

01:19:08.960 So what they were doing is they were ordering Ubers using stolen phones so that, you know, somebody else's identities.

01:19:15.500 They'd order it to an area.

01:19:17.260 They'd order the Uber Black and the Uber Black would end up in that area.

01:19:21.700 They'd get in the vehicle and then they'd rob the-

01:19:23.400 They tased him.

01:19:23.920 He slammed on the gas.

01:19:24.860 And then the craziest part of that is if you look at the video, and I was talking to the mom of one of the kids who was telling the cops they didn't do anything.

01:19:30.940 And the car's literally flipped on its side.

01:19:33.380 The guy's got a, you know, draped over him.

01:19:35.420 He's dead.

01:19:36.340 But the guy is writhing on the ground.

01:19:38.080 The car has just flipped.

01:19:39.220 He's been ejected from the vehicle.

01:19:40.980 And one of the girls who caused the accident by tasing the guy is saying, oh, my phone's in the car.

01:19:45.480 I need to get my phone.

01:19:46.360 Right.

01:19:46.580 I remember that.

01:19:47.300 So the guy's literally dying on the ground and she's looking for her phone.

01:19:49.460 Yeah.

01:19:49.760 I think you reported on that at that time.

01:19:51.240 Was that like eight months ago?

01:19:54.040 It was like two weeks after I saw the shooting in Kenosha.

01:19:56.120 And I'm like, what is going on?

01:19:56.900 It was a while ago.

01:19:57.480 Why is all this bad stuff going on?

01:19:57.880 Oh, that was, OK.

01:19:59.100 Yeah.

01:19:59.640 It was in the summer of 2020.

01:20:01.060 Yeah.

01:20:01.420 OK.

01:20:01.720 So what is up with the funding, right?

01:20:03.900 This is something that everyone wants to know about.

01:20:06.320 Anytime I talk to people about Antifa, you know, my mom or anybody, they're like, well, where's this money coming from?

01:20:11.980 Anna Paulina Luna tweeted out the other day a clip from the White House Roundtable.

01:20:17.440 And she said, and this, you know, you guys were there, funders include Soros Open Society, Arbella Advisors, Tides Network, Han Yorg Weiss, Neville Roy Singham with ties to Armed Queers SLC, who's being investigated over the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

01:20:34.880 How so all of so all of these organizations, I mean, you can even look in some cases, it'll all go back to like the Ford Foundation, you know, but you can look at these organizations.

01:20:45.200 A lot of them are clearing houses for money being funneled to left wing groups.

01:20:50.960 These groups have these groups have not for profit status, tax designation with the IRS.

01:20:57.300 They're designated as charities.

01:20:59.180 There are very strict rules that the IRS has for tax designated charities, one of which is that you cannot be advocating any specific political, you know, message.

01:21:09.860 You're not supposed to do that.

01:21:10.860 I worked in New York theater for a long time, and that's mostly not for profit.

01:21:15.620 There's a couple, you know, for profit Broadway theaters left.

01:21:19.240 Maybe I think there's 20.

01:21:21.800 Maybe there's less than that now.

01:21:23.020 I don't remember exactly.

01:21:24.220 But a lot of these theaters, the public theater, all of them are tax designated charities.

01:21:30.360 And they would go ahead and put on plays that were virulently anti-Republican, anti-Trump, pro-Obama, all of this kind of stuff.

01:21:41.040 And I remember looking at it and being like, OK, so all of my friends are setting up theater companies that are basically so that their parents, their rich parents can give them money for free so that they can do their shows.

01:21:53.140 And these shows are completely political.

01:21:57.020 And OK, like at the time, what did I care?

01:21:59.660 But then the more things started to change and I started to look at the world a little differently.

01:22:03.580 I was like, what are the rules for charities?

01:22:06.700 All of these organizations are breaking the charitable rules.

01:22:10.280 I talked to a congressman at one point who was like, oh, I should look into that.

01:22:13.920 And I was like, well, yeah, like you probably should.

01:22:16.840 How are they getting away with this?

01:22:18.880 How much money is coming through here?

01:22:20.680 Where is the money coming from and how can, you know, how can we put a stop to this?

01:22:26.620 Can we put a stop to this?

01:22:28.860 Well, it's my understanding that depending on the charity registration, it's more that you cannot advocate for a party or a politician who's running for office, like campaigning.

01:22:40.720 What about like when?

01:22:41.900 The causes are fine.

01:22:42.880 OK.

01:22:43.100 And so, you know, Planned Parenthood has a nonprofit arm where they do political activism around, they say, health care access.

01:22:52.460 You know, it's things like that when, you know, that they are huge, sheer literature Democrats.

01:22:58.080 So.

01:22:59.900 Not I earlier I talked about the nonprofit's connection to in the Antifa apparatus.

01:23:04.900 A lot of the money also comes through just simply crowdfunding.

01:23:10.480 Like it's people are kind of surprised when I say that because they think it's more clandestine, that it involves like shadowy figures handing out checks to individuals.

01:23:19.880 No, it's not really like that.

01:23:21.360 The people, the billionaires who are in millionaires, multimillionaires who are giving monies are giving it to their philanthropic arms who then give funds to these nonprofits that are very radical left and aid Antifa in various ways.

01:23:36.180 But for like particular riot related events, the funding is done on Cash App, Venmo, PayPal even, GoFundMe, Razor and other fundraising platforms.

01:23:52.600 And they can raise a lot of money.

01:23:53.860 I mean, the bail funds that were raised in 2020 were done through crowdfunding.

01:23:57.660 The Minnesota Bail Fund, Freedom Fund, I might get the name wrong, the one that Kamala Harris tweeted out support for, they raised tens of millions of dollars just crowdfunding.

01:24:08.240 Like, and this wasn't done secretively or anything.

01:24:10.540 That's the website.

01:24:11.300 Enter your credit card information.

01:24:13.880 A bail fund that was set up in Portland for the rioters was on GoFundMe.

01:24:18.320 Raised hundreds of thousands.

01:24:20.020 GoFundMe won't let you do that on the conservative side, though.

01:24:22.220 Riot Raiders.

01:24:22.740 Are they also getting their legal defense funded through these nonprofits as well?

01:24:30.540 Like if you have like an Antifa rider that gets arrested for, you know, beating a cop with a pole.

01:24:34.900 Yes, like the NLG and other associate affiliate type of groups.

01:24:38.500 So they'll fund the legal.

01:24:39.560 These are registered nonprofits.

01:24:41.300 So they're able to get grants from the state.

01:24:43.300 Democrats control funding in the state and can give out funds to various so-called nonprofit groups.

01:24:51.700 It's quite huge funds, and it's used to support this whole insurrectionist cause.

01:24:58.580 Yeah, they might be able to sell it as like bipartisan or something, but the only people sucking up those funds are violent left-wing activists.

01:25:05.000 And it's the same as radical Islamism. 0.56

01:25:07.860 I mean, if you look at the way that Qatar or Saudi Arabia funds radical Islamist groups, they take the money, they put it in the hands of a charity.

01:25:14.920 And then when it's in the hands of the charity, they say, hey, we gave it to this charity.

01:25:18.320 That charity then goes – so Open Society Foundation then goes and gives it to Indivisible, and then Indivisible goes and gives it to the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

01:25:26.820 And so it changes hands like four different times.

01:25:29.100 And everyone like Pontius Pilate's their way out of it.

01:25:30.380 And then everybody just washes their hands of it and says, okay, well, I just gave to Indivisible, and they're above board.

01:25:35.560 But then they give it to the next group, which is the grassroots group.

01:25:38.700 And then you have the two different arms, which you have the clandestine.

01:25:42.280 Behind the scenes, they're organizing in places like Telegram chats and Signal, and they're getting crowdfunded individually.

01:25:49.540 That's like the Antifa side of things.

01:25:51.220 But then you have the forward-facing Party for Socialism and Liberation, for example.

01:25:56.200 They have the big protests.

01:25:57.580 Everybody's out with the signs.

01:25:58.940 95% of them are all just normies who have no clue.

01:26:02.260 That creates a condition within which there's 5,000 people here.

01:26:05.880 There's 180 cops. 0.97

01:26:07.680 Now, if that small group of agitators can agitate the police, a lot of those people who came out with, well, good intentions get tear gassed, and then they go crazy and turn into monkey brain. 0.79

01:26:17.360 So it's complicated by design.

01:26:22.440 So what can be done about it?

01:26:24.420 We were also talking about normalizing violence, which I think is a big problem, right?

01:26:29.060 So in Portland, you have the situation where a woman sued.

01:26:33.500 She went after the local police and saying, you're rioting every night.

01:26:40.120 These people are rioting every night.

01:26:41.600 You're not doing anything about it.

01:26:42.720 But the judge sided with the police and said, OK, well, we're going to let them riot every night.

01:26:48.360 There's no big issue there.

01:26:49.460 You had this during the Summer of Love with BLM, where you had such a big part of that movement was to defund the police.

01:26:56.620 That whole defund the police thing was shockingly effective, I think, because it didn't just create conditions where city councils were able to pull funding from police, but it created a completely demoralizing situation for police on the job.

01:27:13.460 There were a lot of resignations after that.

01:27:15.480 People were quitting.

01:27:16.760 And they had a really hard time.

01:27:18.000 They still have a really hard time recruiting police.

01:27:19.780 It's still like 10, 15, maybe 20 percent down in certain cities across the country.

01:27:24.460 Yeah.

01:27:24.760 And so you have some police, you know, some police districts, some police chiefs in areas that are more conservative are saying, like, come here.

01:27:31.960 We'll give you good benefits and good pay.

01:27:34.220 And people are going there.

01:27:35.300 But in Seattle, I know this is something Ari Hoffman has been beating the drums about for years. 0.93

01:27:40.720 The recruitment is down incredibly low.

01:27:43.120 And then you see with ICE, because that's been so rah-rah from the federal government, there's a lot of people applying for that.

01:27:51.360 Military recruitment is up.

01:27:52.520 But in the cities, in the blue cities, defund the police was very effective.

01:27:57.420 Well, think about what's going to happen here if Zoran Mamdani becomes the mayor of New York City.

01:28:02.420 I mean, this is like one of the most prominent anti-police advocates in the country right now, especially.

01:28:09.020 And, I mean, he's essentially – I mean, he outranks the police chief in New York City, obviously.

01:28:14.880 And you're going to end up seeing mass – you think the police are choked out now in New York?

01:28:19.840 And he'll probably get rid of Jessica Tisch, who's actually been trying to do a pretty good job. 1.00

01:28:23.500 Yeah.

01:28:23.780 There's no way – I mean, that police force is going to absolutely crumble.

01:28:27.420 I mean, they can go anywhere outside of New York City and get, you know, similar benefits, similar pay.

01:28:33.440 Why would you stay in New York City as a New York City cop?

01:28:35.480 I understand there are people on the inside that want to fight to restore the police departments to what they were, to their golden age.

01:28:43.860 Let's say, you know, like under Mayor Rudy Giuliani, like they want that back so bad.

01:28:48.380 But if you get the guy at the top that is just refusing to allow it to happen and wants to take a sledgehammer to the entire thing,

01:28:55.440 I mean, I think it's going to get really bad if Mamdani wins, and it looks like that's going to happen. 0.99

01:29:00.420 I think he's probably going to – I think he's probably going to win.

01:29:03.780 Yeah.

01:29:04.100 Yeah.

01:29:04.800 I've also neglected to talk about the international aspect of Antifa.

01:29:08.400 Oh, I'm glad you brought that up.

01:29:09.620 Yeah.

01:29:09.720 At the White House, I discussed – I suggested for what could be done potentially internationally is that the DOJ –

01:29:17.100 sorry, excuse me – the State Department could designate the international Antifa as an FTL, foreign terrorist organization.

01:29:24.380 Basically, all of the anti-terror legislation that exists in the U.S. is in the post-9-11 context, so it's outdated, but it's – as it is written, there's an international element to it, because they're thinking of Al-Qaeda, that type of context.

01:29:39.640 But that's what the legislation is.

01:29:41.780 However, Antifa is an international movement.

01:29:45.240 And even though they are decentralized, they – the American Antifa share tactics and strategies with the Europeans and vice versa, targets of violence, targets of infrastructure to attack.

01:30:01.900 And when one of them commits acts of violence, they're celebrated as a hero.

01:30:07.880 So, Willem van Sponsen, a Belgian-American who shot up the ICE facility in Tacoma in 2019 and died in that attack, he is celebrated by the Antifa in Europe.

01:30:20.840 There's a mural to him in Athens, Greece.

01:30:24.780 Do they celebrate Charlie Kirk's killer as well?

01:30:26.920 I haven't seen that yet, because I think Tyler Robinson, as far as I know, wasn't active in a protest network or scene locally,

01:30:36.620 whereas Willem van Sponsen was.

01:30:38.560 He had built up relationships with comrades.

01:30:43.740 So, yeah, the FTO designation can do a lot.

01:30:46.500 I mean, then individuals could be sanctioned.

01:30:50.380 And international Antifa, they have a whole recruiting website.

01:30:55.920 People can go on it right now, and it gives instructions on, hey, if you're in the U.S., look at the Torch Antifa network.

01:31:03.100 Rose City Antifa in Portland, by the way, is part of that.

01:31:05.400 But if you're in France, look at La Horde. 0.80

01:31:08.500 If you're in this country, look here. 0.94

01:31:11.360 And they also link to the International Antifa Defense Fund.

01:31:18.120 And Mr. Mark Bray, who is an academic at Rutgers, he's a teacher of history who wrote the Antifa handbook.

01:31:27.140 He is a financier of International Antifa.

01:31:30.980 He denied that.

01:31:32.200 I don't know how he can deny it when it's in the first few pages of his Antifa handbook that the proceeds from that book are going to go to this defense fund,

01:31:40.620 which aids criminal suspects and violent Antifa members internationally.

01:31:46.880 Well, he's fled the U.S. now, allegedly, on this pretext.

01:31:51.160 This is according to him.

01:31:51.900 On the pretext of him receiving death threats.

01:31:53.700 I don't believe that.

01:31:54.340 He's been in the public eye defending Antifa for years, going back to at least 2017.

01:31:59.900 If he's received pushback or threats or anything, which I condemn, by the way, it would be nothing new.

01:32:06.000 I believe he's fled the U.S.

01:32:07.560 He's fled to Spain, I believe, because he's concerned about criminal prosecutions if the State Department was to designate Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization.

01:32:17.680 And he is on record giving money to international Antifa.

01:32:22.260 So would that actually make a difference in your opinion?

01:32:24.720 Let's say it does become a foreign terrorist organization and you have, you know, the Open Societies Foundation dumping money into these various Antifa groups and whoever funds, say, Rose City Antifa, for example.

01:32:36.180 You know, can you go after them criminally for funding a foreign terrorist organization?

01:32:43.060 Here are some ways where it could immediately impact.

01:32:44.840 So the whole, on the Antifa sites, like Rose City Antifa, a number of them, or the Rose City Counter Info blog, which is the Antifa blog that's putting up this event calling for people to use the lasers, their whole infrastructure in a number of anarchist extremist websites is based overseas.

01:33:05.560 They do that so it's out of the reach of American control, like it can't be shut down.

01:33:10.200 It's based usually in Europe.

01:33:11.580 But, like, if Antifa was an FTO, then now it opens up way more legal avenues and resources for the U.S. to treat, I mean, it would be international terrorism in that regard.

01:33:27.920 That's an immediate impact I can think of.

01:33:30.320 Domestically, there's still a lot that Antifa can do without the international connection, obviously.

01:33:35.620 When they organize at the cell level, it's very local.

01:33:40.540 They're on a signal group for a particular direct action riot, and then the message is self-delete.

01:33:47.020 And I know this type of stuff because I followed the SoCal Antifa trial in San Diego very closely last year, and it led—it was California that broke up an Antifa cell.

01:33:58.300 I mentioned this at the White House table event, and people aren't familiar with it.

01:34:05.200 But prosecutors in San Diego County successfully, in the only time in history that I'm aware of, broke up an Antifa cell because they identified members of this group, charged all 12 of them.

01:34:17.220 Most of them were charged with felony conspiracy.

01:34:19.280 That was the charge they used, and that's what I recommended to the DOJ, what the DOJ can use because there are federal conspiracy charges.

01:34:25.760 There's racketeering because a lot of it is organized crime, but it's going to be really hard.

01:34:33.240 I mean, they have—the Antifa are instructed so well, you know, have burner phones, pay for things with cash, don't have your contacts saved, obviously, don't even bring phones.

01:34:43.140 They have, like, a very sophisticated way to sort of mask all of their organizing, but it can be uncovered.

01:34:53.220 I mean, the North Texas Antifa cell is being prosecuted right now for that ambush shooting, and so I urge people to pay very close attention to that because the national media won't.

01:35:03.460 I want to ask you one more thing about your—

01:35:04.620 Well, we actually have breaking news.

01:35:05.880 Oh.

01:35:06.660 If we could bring this up.

01:35:08.280 Benny Johnson posted this.

01:35:09.660 An individual has been arrested for threatening to kill my wife, my four children, and me.

01:35:13.840 He sent a letter to my home saying he hated our views and wanted us dead.

01:35:17.060 He's being charged federally and faces prison time.

01:35:21.440 He goes on to thank the president and the Department of Justice for getting this guy arrested, but it looks like this guy was linked to Antifa.

01:35:33.680 One month ago today, I witnessed my friend of 10 years, someone who I considered a brother, a loving husband, a devoted father, a generational leader, get assassinated on a live stream by a left-wing radical.

01:35:56.200 Approximately one year ago, I witnessed the president of the United States get shot in the head by a left-wing radical who also took the life of a Trump supporter in front of his daughters and wife.

01:36:11.320 Two months ago, Christian children kneeling and praying in a church were slaughtered by a left-wing extremist.

01:36:22.820 And two weeks ago, federal law enforcement was shot at multiple sniper rounds in a federal facility by a left-wing extremist.

01:36:32.960 If it's happening every single week, is it that extreme, or has the Democrat Party mainstreamed violence as a political tool?

01:36:44.620 The individual who wrote me described why he wanted me dead.

01:36:53.020 I was a white, cis, Christian Trump supporter. 0.75

01:36:58.480 They described in great detail how I would be killed in an open field, just like Charlie, how much blood would come out of my head and neck when it was blown off.

01:37:13.120 This individual described orphaning my four beautiful children and widowing my wife with great joy.

01:37:22.480 So we actually have a little background on who this guy was, and I know that the Postmillennial just published this, so we can take a look at that story.

01:37:40.560 Bondi came up to us after the Antifa roundtable, showing a lot of concern about us talking about death threats.

01:37:48.340 She was, I mean, she definitely, she seemed very, I don't know her personally, I didn't know her before the Trump administration.

01:37:55.680 She seemed very concerned and very serious about it.

01:37:58.540 Yeah, I'm glad that she was concerned.

01:38:00.700 Yeah, so Pam Bondi announced the federal charges against the left-wing radical who threatened to kill commentator Benny Johnson.

01:38:07.220 This is from Thomas Stevenson of the Postmillennial.

01:38:09.120 She said that George Isbell Jr., who sent the letter, said he hated Benny because of his views and he wanted Benny, Benny dead.

01:38:18.440 And she answered questions about the ideology of the person who was sent the letter.

01:38:22.000 She said that it was a left-wing radical who had sent the letter threatening to kill Johnson.

01:38:27.220 Are we going to see more political assassination attempts?

01:38:32.020 We did just see the man who was convicted of trying to assassinate Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.

01:38:40.620 He got only eight years after saying that he was a woman and he was like transitioning in jail. 0.91

01:38:46.780 And she was like, oh, we feel bad for you now.

01:38:49.400 You should only get eight years.

01:38:50.340 Is that that kind of lack of actual punishment?

01:38:56.340 Is that kind of tolerance for political assassination attempts?

01:39:03.640 What are we what are we looking at?

01:39:05.260 Is this going to keep going?

01:39:06.480 Didn't George Santos get seven years for what he did?

01:39:09.680 You know, just for example, I talked to him right before he went to jail.

01:39:12.580 That's crazy.

01:39:13.420 I still think that's not how many Republicans voted to kick him out of Congress.

01:39:19.120 That was nuts.

01:39:19.940 And Mike Johnson told all of them to vote your conscience.

01:39:23.660 No, dude, that's not what you should say.

01:39:24.840 Trust me, this guy doesn't like me.

01:39:26.080 He hates me.

01:39:26.840 And I don't care. 0.99

01:39:27.620 I mean, you still come out and say that that's ridiculous. 0.56

01:39:30.280 But so he gets seven years. 0.56

01:39:31.720 He gets seven years.

01:39:32.580 And the guy that you're talking about, I don't remember his name.

01:39:35.440 The guy who, Nicholas Roski.

01:39:37.300 Who tried to assassinate him.

01:39:39.080 Sophie now.

01:39:39.920 Yeah, yeah, whatever.

01:39:40.940 Right.

01:39:41.460 We haven't talked about the radicalization on Trons yet.

01:39:44.260 We haven't.

01:39:44.820 That's a whole nother discussion, isn't it?

01:39:46.080 We can bring that up.

01:39:47.000 We should have talked about that.

01:39:48.140 But I am glad that I was looking at more of this.

01:39:51.820 Yeah, I was with Benny when he got this call.

01:39:54.200 You could tell he was getting emotional over the fact that they actually found the guy and

01:39:57.740 they were able to arrest him.

01:39:59.660 He got the call while we were in Portland embedded with with Christy Noem.

01:40:03.620 And I was I was glad to see how excited Pam Bondi was when she was talking to us about

01:40:09.020 this at the roundtable.

01:40:09.920 And she actually she knew about the swatting situation because my parents have been swatted.

01:40:15.180 You know, they try to find me.

01:40:15.980 They can't find me.

01:40:16.660 So they keep going after my family.

01:40:18.960 And and I said, yeah, I mean, it's it's still a problem.

01:40:22.180 And we haven't found out who's who's doing it.

01:40:25.240 She's like, Cash, here.

01:40:26.140 Now, Cash comes over and we start talking about it.

01:40:28.700 And he's like, OK, well, here's what here's my my chief of staff.

01:40:31.800 Give him a call.

01:40:32.580 We're going to find out who did this.

01:40:34.100 I promise you that.

01:40:34.940 And she's like, yeah, I mean, the FBI has the resources to do it. 0.93

01:40:38.060 They have the ability to do it.

01:40:39.020 And they're going to do it.

01:40:40.160 Well, I'm glad they're finally getting serious about this stuff.

01:40:42.380 I used to work with the Federalist and I would write for them.

01:40:44.440 And all of the women at one point, all of the women at the Federalist were getting 0.99

01:40:47.880 incessant, crazy phone calls in the dead of night from someone just saying, you know, 0.87

01:40:55.060 I'm going to kill you and I'm leaving voicemails. 1.00

01:40:58.740 You're scum, you're Nazi scum, and I'm going to take your head off and all of this stuff. 1.00

01:41:02.620 And I went to the I was like, has anybody else been getting these calls and all of them? 1.00

01:41:07.560 Yes, we're all getting the calls.

01:41:08.880 You have to alert the FBI.

01:41:10.460 I never heard anything about it.

01:41:12.340 And eventually the calls stopped.

01:41:13.800 But they were terrifying.

01:41:15.480 I mean, it would be one o'clock in the morning.

01:41:17.180 My phone would ring, just be sitting there watching Star Trek.

01:41:20.600 And I'd just be terrified.

01:41:22.520 You know, it was very effective.

01:41:23.660 And they're normalizing it at this point.

01:41:25.400 You know, even the in the state next door, you have that person, the front runner for 0.97

01:41:29.300 attorney general over there just being like, yeah, well, some of them have to die.

01:41:32.620 That's that's how this has to work. 0.90

01:41:33.660 That's the only way that.

01:41:34.740 Yeah.

01:41:35.320 He thought.

01:41:35.860 Yeah.

01:41:36.060 His idea is that if you're not touched personally, you're not going to change policy. 0.98

01:41:39.620 And so you may as well end up dead. 0.96

01:41:41.100 Yeah. 1.00

01:41:41.500 Referring to his children.

01:41:42.900 Yeah.

01:41:43.260 This was the AG nominee, Jay Jones.

01:41:46.440 And last night in the Virginia gubernatorial debate, Abigail Spanberger refused to pull her 1.00

01:41:53.000 endorsement.

01:41:53.720 She was just like, oh, everyone should vote how they want. 1.00

01:41:56.780 And when some Earl Sears was like, are you crazy? 0.83

01:41:59.460 How can you not back? 0.89

01:42:00.660 How can you back this guy?

01:42:01.620 It's not just it's not just being normalized.

01:42:05.000 It's it's being like celebrated and they're fawning over the idea of violence against their

01:42:10.340 opposition.

01:42:10.820 And that's really the big difference here is because you'll get psychopaths that are

01:42:15.360 right wing.

01:42:16.040 But nobody on the right is like, awesome.

01:42:17.680 That's so amazing.

01:42:18.460 You're not seeing thousands of people taking it to social media, celebrating these things.

01:42:21.860 No, they killed Charlie.

01:42:22.840 And we all went out into the street and prayed for a week straight.

01:42:26.900 That was the response, right?

01:42:28.180 That was the response.

01:42:29.000 And I was actually interviewing the cleftists and they were bringing up I don't know why

01:42:32.460 this one girl that I was talking to, she was actually at the memorial protesting Charlie

01:42:35.940 Kirk because she thought that was a reasonable thing to be doing.

01:42:38.060 And she brought up George Floyd.

01:42:40.320 And I'm like, you know, why would you bring up the response after George or George Floyd

01:42:44.420 in general and thinking that's a good, you know, comparison there?

01:42:48.060 The response after George Floyd, because they turned this guy into a martyr, was mass violence

01:42:54.380 on a scale we haven't seen in decades.

01:42:56.740 And just see how the not just the right, but just the American people and people that aren't

01:43:01.780 absolutely insane responded to Charlie Kirk's death.

01:43:04.320 Yeah.

01:43:04.680 Week weeks of vigils and prayer and all of that.

01:43:07.860 And there is a serious difference between the two parties right now when it comes to their

01:43:12.480 reaction to things like that and what they're egging on.

01:43:15.660 And that's that's really the dangerous thing is this this assassination culture that they're

01:43:19.760 really so much of the base of a horrifying percentage of the Democrat base is is encouraging

01:43:27.180 and cheering on.

01:43:28.060 Thanks.

01:43:28.280 Political violence is a way to deal with things.

01:43:30.260 And of course, Charlie's, you know, suspected assassin did have a there was a trans component

01:43:36.500 to his story.

01:43:37.580 Right.

01:43:38.160 And I think, Andy, I'm really glad you brought up Trantifa because I think that we should talk

01:43:42.160 about that.

01:43:43.060 What is this relationship between trans and Antifa?

01:43:46.560 What's going on there?

01:43:47.980 Well, Antifa are time and context specific.

01:43:52.160 So for a number of years, they latched on to BLM because there was a whole system that pumped

01:44:01.000 out lies day in and day out about white supremacy and blacks being genocided by law enforcement.

01:44:07.880 Well, BLM's fallen a bit out of vogue.

01:44:09.740 They've had a number of financial scandals that were embarrassing to the organization.

01:44:14.640 People aren't really giving money to them.

01:44:16.640 There also haven't been really super high profile cases like George Floyd since 2020 that have

01:44:22.960 been caught on video and have been exploited to that same type of extent.

01:44:27.300 So the next thing, though, has been trans.

01:44:29.560 There's over the last four years, lots of protests in for and against trans radicalism in a number

01:44:37.600 of states, trans militants and activists, mainstream activists in response to a number of Republican

01:44:45.940 led states placing restrictions on the transitioning of children have said that they are now victims

01:44:54.340 of the ongoing trans genocide are encouraging one another to join far left militias like John Brown 0.64

01:45:00.660 Gun Club or the Socialist Rifle Association, stockpile weapons and be prepared for anti-government 0.99

01:45:08.240 action and be prepared to kill fascists and transphobes. 0.98

01:45:11.400 And they are pumped with that propaganda in the mainstream and on their radical networks day 0.99

01:45:18.160 in and day out.

01:45:19.020 I believe that mental health comorbidities plays a factor in the extremism.

01:45:25.100 And I think hormones, cross-sex hormones may as well.

01:45:28.740 You put all that together.

01:45:30.380 We're now experiencing a number of mass shootings by trans people that was an unknown phenomenon

01:45:37.440 10 years ago, and now we're seeing it yearly.

01:45:41.700 It seems like that's the reaction, like a natural reaction to painting everything that

01:45:47.100 the right wing does as violence, like even silence is violence, right, for the right.

01:45:51.880 And so it seems as though that just continues to go that direction of every single thing

01:45:57.060 that they do, every single position that they hold is violence.

01:46:00.620 I think, isn't there a catchphrase for basically every single position that conservatives hold? 0.99

01:46:05.020 Punch a Nazi in the face. 1.00

01:46:06.220 There you go. 1.00

01:46:06.920 Yeah, they're a Nazi. 1.00

01:46:07.660 Punch them in the face. 1.00

01:46:08.300 There you go. 1.00

01:46:08.980 Okay. 0.64

01:46:09.500 Yeah, punch a Nazi was like a big way that they normalized just violence against conservatives 0.99

01:46:13.940 because it was punch a Nazi and then conservatives are Nazis, so punch conservatives. 1.00

01:46:19.040 And Christians are Nazis, so punch Christians. 1.00

01:46:21.580 The transgenocide thing, though, you know, they just throw that out there. 1.00

01:46:25.640 Is there a basis for it?

01:46:26.980 Absolutely not.

01:46:28.000 We recognize that guy.

01:46:29.600 Is there a basis for it?

01:46:30.580 Absolutely not.

01:46:31.160 In fact, the—I don't know if you guys have this number, but the last time I did the number

01:46:35.540 on the people that identify as trans, that community within the United States, their

01:46:40.340 murder rate is like one-fourth of the general population's murder rate.

01:46:45.280 So they're actually less likely to get murdered than the general population.

01:46:48.680 But they go crazy on this whole thing.

01:46:49.860 They're calling that a genocide because that's just what's popular.

01:46:54.040 It's trendy.

01:46:54.780 And therefore, if you're against, you know, transitioning children and giving children

01:46:59.640 sex changes, you also support this genocide that we made up. 0.90

01:47:03.260 And therefore, we're going to use violence against you. 0.93

01:47:05.180 And if you look at a lot of the cases where they say there's a transgenocide and you look

01:47:09.080 at, like, the people who have been murdered, you look at it in most of the cases, it's

01:47:14.640 drug-related, prostitution-related, or domestic violence.

01:47:17.380 For sure.

01:47:17.560 So could this—

01:47:18.800 Minority is people going after them because they're trans, just like in a random— 0.93

01:47:22.460 Right.

01:47:22.480 There's like—and some of those are, you know, someone went on a date with the person

01:47:26.960 and then found out the person was trans and then killed them. 0.96

01:47:29.260 That's exactly right. 0.84

01:47:30.200 That's some weird stories there.

01:47:31.940 But the—I kind of want to find out if—is Antifa utilizing or taking advantage of, let's 0.97

01:47:41.500 say, trans people because they're mentally ill? 0.95

01:47:44.720 Or is it because the trans people are misfits and need somewhere to fit in? 1.00

01:47:49.820 Like, or is it a little bit of both? 0.71

01:47:51.120 What are your thoughts on that?

01:47:52.040 I think both.

01:47:52.720 I mean, Antifa have also been amplifying the propaganda of the trans extremists to the

01:47:57.160 point where I—I mean, I coined that term, Trantifa, because it's like—I think it describes

01:48:01.800 not like a separate movement, really, the current manifestation of Antifa.

01:48:06.240 There's a disproportionate number of trans people.

01:48:08.260 You've probably seen it on the ground.

01:48:09.900 I can see it.

01:48:10.420 Portland in particular.

01:48:11.220 Through the mugshots that I've collected from the riots over the years.

01:48:16.220 Mugshots are fancy.

01:48:16.620 Yeah, we're talking about on any given night—

01:48:19.660 It's like people with tattooed eyeballs, you know?

01:48:22.000 Like, what is going on?

01:48:23.560 15% trans or gender diverse—I'll use that term, gender diverse, in that they don't identify 0.98

01:48:29.040 with their biological sex, 15% on some nights, 20%, a third, a riot—nowhere else do you 0.98

01:48:36.340 see that type of representation of trans demographic, you know, another type of, like, activist type

01:48:42.540 of movements, other than, like, the violent far left.

01:48:45.680 So there's something going on right now, and people should be really concerned that under

01:48:51.640 the pretext of Second Amendment rights, trans militants are stockpiling deadly weapons and 0.98

01:48:58.540 training for the purpose of, in their mind, killing those in the government and killing 0.99

01:49:03.520 anybody they label transphobic and fascist. 0.99

01:49:06.280 There's a fair amount of that, right?

01:49:08.100 I mean, there's, like, what is the Pink Pony Club?

01:49:10.840 Is that one?

01:49:11.660 Am I remembering that correctly?

01:49:13.420 But there was a group of people, and it was a couple of years ago, there were a group of

01:49:17.800 trans militants who were all getting together to go do shooting practice, I think, in New

01:49:22.900 Hampshire, and NPR profiled them as though it were this great thing and asked them, oh,

01:49:28.360 why do you feel the need to do this?

01:49:29.820 Well, because of the legislation in several states that is, you know, seeking to commit

01:49:34.320 transgenocide because they won't gender change children. 1.00

01:49:37.720 That's why we have to get a bunch of guns and go practice them in New Hampshire.

01:49:41.860 It's a major difference between, like, the boomer generation liberals and maybe even leftists

01:49:46.840 versus the younger generation leftists as they look at the Second Amendment as, that's

01:49:50.760 our tool for our violent revolution.

01:49:53.360 Well, that's also just like the Black Panther Party.

01:49:55.620 I mean, the Black Panthers in California, they had a lot of guns. 0.88

01:49:58.840 They were very pro, you know, if somebody got, if a driver got arrested at a traffic stop

01:50:04.340 and police were there, the Black Panthers would go over and be like, we actually, you

01:50:07.900 know, we have guns.

01:50:08.900 Let the person go.

01:50:09.760 That was a big part of the reason that Ronald Reagan started implementing gun control in

01:50:14.080 California.

01:50:14.840 It was because of the Black Panthers. 0.91

01:50:16.840 Which I would still disagree with, actually, honestly.

01:50:18.900 I would still disagree with it, too.

01:50:20.240 But there it was.

01:50:21.400 You know, there it was.

01:50:22.560 This was part of the issue for them.

01:50:24.700 It's like the John Brown Gun Club as well, which they were out there in Seattle at the

01:50:30.560 Chaz and they ally with, you know, other left-wing groups and say, hey, we're your defenders.

01:50:36.280 I even, I went to school in D.C. at Georgetown, which is a allegedly Catholic university.

01:50:42.540 The Pink Pistols.

01:50:43.360 Yeah, they had a John Brown Gun Club flyer.

01:50:46.240 It just went viral on Georgetown's campus in D.C.

01:50:49.320 It's like, you need to wait a year just to get a concealed carry permit in D.C.

01:50:52.800 So I don't know what the John Brown Gun Club is doing on Georgetown's campus.

01:50:56.500 But it's crazy to me to see a Catholic university now, you know, in Red Square has multiple flyers

01:51:03.880 for the John Brown Gun Club.

01:51:05.340 Was that flyer, is that the Charlie Kirk flyer?

01:51:07.780 Or was that the...

01:51:08.360 Yes, that was the one.

01:51:09.260 It says, hey, fascist catch or something like that.

01:51:12.600 Yeah, so they're actively encouraging violence with their gun club against...

01:51:17.260 At a Catholic university.

01:51:18.460 At a Catholic university.

01:51:19.500 Which is allegedly supposed to be Catholic.

01:51:21.840 But it's, I mean, I still coach the hockey team and they are not Catholic anymore.

01:51:26.260 I can tell you that.

01:51:27.800 Affirmatively.

01:51:28.800 How's the hockey team over there?

01:51:29.780 Pretty good?

01:51:30.020 We had a rough loss to GW last week, but we're four and two.

01:51:34.080 We're doing all right.

01:51:34.840 Well, this is something that is on Andy's Twitter that I wanted to bring up.

01:51:38.900 This is a Portland Antifa member with a history of violence posted a threatening video on social

01:51:43.100 media shooting up photos of both Andy and Charlie Kirk.

01:51:49.080 Should we look at it?

01:51:50.220 I don't think we can actually play the video.

01:51:52.780 I would just describe it for the US reasons.

01:51:54.820 Yeah, I was wondering about that.

01:51:57.240 So this is a video.

01:51:58.380 Why don't you describe it?

01:51:59.260 Well, I can describe it.

01:52:00.200 It's somebody I've reported on before.

01:52:03.260 And law enforcement is aware of this, by the way.

01:52:05.400 But this is typical of the type of threats that I and other people who are in the public

01:52:11.160 eye get for our work trying to expose Antifa.

01:52:17.660 This person used the pictures of my face and Charlie's face as target practice, five rounds

01:52:24.160 to my head and one in the neck for Mr. Kirk.

01:52:26.960 And, you know, I was just thinking of the press conference that Benny Johnson did with Attorney

01:52:34.240 General Pam Bondi.

01:52:35.380 And a lot of us suffer in silence and that just for security reasons, we don't disclose that

01:52:43.400 all the threats that we're receiving.

01:52:46.440 And you asked earlier, Libby, you asked if I think there'll be another assassination.

01:52:53.040 My answer is yes.

01:52:54.100 It's like, absolutely.

01:52:55.600 It's we've the left has really embraced an assassination culture.

01:53:00.760 It's when and who.

01:53:04.320 Well, that's terrifying, right?

01:53:05.840 I mean, like it's terrifying for the people in this room and for the people that we all

01:53:11.320 associate with.

01:53:12.320 I remember talking to other women in the movement being like, just bring all the men home.

01:53:19.120 Like this is, you know, which, of course, is is what the women are supposed to say. 1.00

01:53:23.880 You know, that's the that's the way that's why I can't hold down women at this point. 1.00

01:53:28.500 Like bring bring the men home.

01:53:30.540 Don't let this don't let this happen to them.

01:53:32.740 But it is it is really scary to see to see this possibility.

01:53:39.040 And but it's also emboldening to see the bravery of so many people, you know, like you

01:53:45.080 guys, you're going out there, you're covering this stuff, you're doing the research, you're

01:53:49.280 not letting anybody silence you, you're getting arrested.

01:53:52.500 And you're still like, no, like, we're not playing with you.

01:53:55.500 We're doing it anyway.

01:53:56.680 The amount of time you see Tim going out, you see all of the turning point people going

01:54:00.600 out.

01:54:00.900 I mean, it's it's been I got to say, like, as someone who is happy to, you know, sit

01:54:06.380 on my porch and read books and be left alone in the sunshine, you know, it's really been

01:54:12.360 powerful to see how many people are just refusing to be silenced.

01:54:16.240 These terrorists cannot win.

01:54:18.140 They can't win.

01:54:19.340 Andy and the amount of messages I got from Andy, like warning me to like stop and get

01:54:24.200 out of there multiple.

01:54:26.960 I mean, he knows he knows better than anybody.

01:54:28.440 But I just I I can't I can't get off the street.

01:54:31.920 It just it I I feel like I feel like that's just surrendering to them.

01:54:38.400 There's a lot of people that did just I mean, Cam Higby, shout out to Cam.

01:54:42.340 He what he wasted no time.

01:54:44.920 He started a campus tour.

01:54:46.480 What is it?

01:54:46.960 What is it called?

01:54:47.540 Fearless debates or start a campus tour right away going around the country, you know,

01:54:52.180 debating students.

01:54:52.960 Because everyone's ramping up the reporting on Antifa and their activity.

01:54:57.560 I don't see anybody backing down.

01:54:59.280 I cannot just speaking on Cam Higby.

01:55:01.960 I have never seen someone routinely get assaulted as many times as this poor guy.

01:55:07.980 And, you know, everybody they try to accuse him of like staging it or something.

01:55:11.900 But he releases all of the raw footage.

01:55:13.880 It's just it's it's in what leads up to it.

01:55:16.640 And he's never doing anything but speaking.

01:55:18.780 And, you know, he's never like getting he's never even defensive with them.

01:55:22.320 They just, you know, go all.

01:55:23.940 I mean, it happened last week in D.C. again.

01:55:25.960 And then the assailant was luckily arrested.

01:55:29.240 But I don't think she was going to be until those chairs are pretty faulty.

01:55:32.420 They were sitting in those chairs.

01:55:33.380 I was like, dude, you get those chairs on Timu.

01:55:36.200 That thing was like about to tip over.

01:55:38.800 Let's just be real here.

01:55:40.020 There's that one ginger guy.

01:55:41.720 His handle is like ginger something.

01:55:43.620 And I recently learned who this guy was.

01:55:46.660 He's a popular leftist on Instagram.

01:55:48.400 He has like one point two, one point one million followers.

01:55:50.940 And he was there and he decided to post on his page.

01:55:54.660 I don't know.

01:55:55.100 He was like at some encampment in D.C.

01:55:57.300 And he was there reporting on it.

01:55:58.940 And he showed just that girl, that girl that worked in academia, by the way, that assaulted 0.94

01:56:04.820 Cam showed just him pepper spraying her after she attacked him.

01:56:10.780 But he only showed that little piece and said, oh, look, Cam Higby is assaulting these

01:56:14.780 peaceful protesters.

01:56:15.780 And he went, you know, did a whole selfie video and did a follow up and got millions

01:56:21.580 of people riled up against Cam.

01:56:23.440 And the entire thing was a lie because Cam obviously had the footage and released everything.

01:56:28.600 As you were saying, he released the whole thing and you get to see all the context.

01:56:31.860 You can draw the conclusion.

01:56:33.040 I mean, you can you know, you can draw your own opinions about the matter, but he's going

01:56:37.140 to release everything.

01:56:37.940 There's not anything being taken out of context there.

01:56:40.260 You know, what's really interesting also, like at these protests, you saw like a lot

01:56:44.000 of the people, even on the Antifa side, they're filming, right?

01:56:46.680 Like they got their phones.

01:56:47.760 But I never really see much of that footage like ever come out.

01:56:52.180 You know, they were accusing me of all these things.

01:56:54.020 You don't always see the stuff from the other side.

01:56:56.120 Like, why aren't they showing it?

01:56:57.360 They probably put it in their own like discords and stuff.

01:56:59.380 I don't know what they do with it.

01:57:00.600 If they film you and they're like, I'm filming you, it's like, good.

01:57:02.900 Yeah.

01:57:03.420 Yeah.

01:57:03.740 Every single time I go to a protest, they'll, as soon as you show up, they'll start recording.

01:57:08.120 In fact, there was one lady, maybe a month ago, I had it in a video two months ago or 0.99

01:57:12.180 something.

01:57:12.680 She was filming me and, and, you know, she was one of the angry boomers at the local 1.00

01:57:16.800 protest that I'll go to in Orange County.

01:57:18.440 She was filming me and put her phone down and I realized she wasn't even recording.

01:57:21.660 I decided to help her out.

01:57:22.600 I was like, excuse me, miss, you weren't recording.

01:57:24.080 She hit record, film me.

01:57:26.900 It's like, I never know what they do with those, those videos.

01:57:28.900 I have no clue.

01:57:30.660 So, so what's next for everybody?

01:57:32.720 And do you also, do you think that there's going to be, there has been increased violence.

01:57:37.120 We've seen the studies that even though they try and say right wing violence is still a

01:57:40.960 problem, show definitively that left wing violence has been on the rise for at least 10 years.

01:57:45.260 In part, I think, cause they still don't know why Trump won in 2016.

01:57:49.240 They're forever baffled by that.

01:57:51.800 Do you think there's more reporters coming up who are, you know, going to be covering this

01:57:56.560 stuff?

01:57:56.960 I mean, what is, what does it look like in terms of independent media?

01:58:01.180 What's going on?

01:58:02.380 Well, it's so amazing that what is required now to be a journalist honestly is, Hey, show

01:58:07.980 up to a protest, bring your cell phone, start recording.

01:58:11.020 That's pretty much all you need to be doing.

01:58:12.800 And doing that, you're still doing a hell of a lot more than the legacy media is doing.

01:58:16.060 For sure.

01:58:16.940 For sure.

01:58:17.520 I'm definitely seeing more people on the, on the street that are covering these anti-ice

01:58:21.940 protests because that's what we're looking at now.

01:58:23.620 We're no longer BLM, right?

01:58:25.000 We're anti-ice.

01:58:26.040 It's not BLM.

01:58:26.480 It's no longer pro-Palestinian, which we had for a while.

01:58:30.000 There's a little bit of that, but it's dying out.

01:58:31.480 Yeah.

01:58:31.660 Right.

01:58:32.240 But you notice how they're not like, yay, Trump got a peace deal.

01:58:35.860 Right.

01:58:36.900 Yeah.

01:58:37.360 It'll never be like that.

01:58:38.700 Andy, you might've touched on this earlier, but it's really just a rebranding.

01:58:41.920 Same groups, essentially.

01:58:44.140 BLM is slightly different, right? 1.00

01:58:45.480 Because you're not seeing a bunch of BLM activists out on the street right now.

01:58:47.820 You're seeing some, you're seeing some, but, but not that entire group that they were able

01:58:51.340 to mobilize.

01:58:52.120 But in a general sense, it's still the same far left-wing groups that just rebrand every

01:58:56.880 single time.

01:58:57.280 It's just them doing the Gaza stuff, them doing BLM stuff, them doing anti-ice stuff.

01:59:02.160 And they try to just recruit whoever they can get mobilized.

01:59:05.000 They find the trendy partner with the cause du jour and they go for it.

01:59:08.940 Well, I want to thank all you guys for hanging out today and really giving some deep insight

01:59:13.320 into this issue.

01:59:14.960 It's something that I'm mostly familiar with just from working with Andy and reading

01:59:18.580 his drafts, you know, and following his work and Katie.

01:59:21.720 So I'm so grateful to find out more about this.

01:59:25.400 Do you guys want to shout anything out?

01:59:27.120 Richie, you want to start?

01:59:28.480 You'll get right.

01:59:29.140 You can read about Andy and Katie and the Chaz, where it all began.

01:59:32.620 And, you know, everything now is just a pale shadow of what happened in 2020.

01:59:38.080 If you haven't read, if you haven't read it yet, read Unmasked, my book.

01:59:41.960 And my sub stack is at ngocomment.com.

01:59:46.400 It's a pleasure to be here with everybody.

01:59:48.380 I got, you know, especially to, you know, be able to hear from you directly this week

01:59:54.060 and all your insight on, you know, you've been covering this for so long.

01:59:56.620 You've been a warrior in the field doing it.

01:59:59.680 I'm so glad you were able to get here to Washington to be able to come to that roundtable.

02:00:05.140 I mean, your insight is one of the reasons that Antifa is being taken seriously by the

02:00:10.880 administration right now.

02:00:11.880 So thank you so much, Andy.

02:00:13.240 And you'll find me later.

02:00:14.940 I'm actually hosting TimCast IRL tonight because the other hosts couldn't actually get here.

02:00:20.740 So I am the backup host tonight.

02:00:23.700 And I will see you guys at 8 p.m. Eastern time right here in the same studio.

02:00:28.580 Who's your guest?

02:00:29.260 Who do you have?

02:00:29.880 Alex Rosen.

02:00:30.660 Nice.

02:00:31.260 So that'll be fun.

02:00:32.000 He's an interesting character.

02:00:34.020 So.

02:00:34.320 Right on.

02:00:35.020 Respect the hustle.

02:00:36.100 I'm going to piggyback on that, actually.

02:00:37.940 Andy's definitely the eye in the sky when it comes to a lot of protest coverage.

02:00:41.600 I think you saved my life like once or twice.

02:00:43.340 He's like the intel guy.

02:00:44.720 The intel guy.

02:00:45.400 Letting me know that I've been, you know, my cover's been blown.

02:00:48.620 So I appreciate that.

02:00:49.980 You guys definitely get their books.

02:00:52.460 Unmasked, right?

02:00:53.400 Yes.

02:00:53.560 And then Riot Diet.

02:00:54.340 I got Riot Diet maybe a few months ago.

02:00:56.000 Great book.

02:00:57.800 I'm James Klug.

02:00:58.740 You can subscribe to me over on YouTube.com slash James Klug.

02:01:02.700 I do have a bunch of videos dropping.

02:01:04.760 And I, for any subscribers that are watching, I apologize for slacking on that.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - October 10, 2025

Antifa Is A Terror Organization, Crackdown Coming As Leftists Defend Violence w⧸ Nick Sortor, Andy Ngo, James Klug & Richie McGinniss

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - October 10, 2025

Antifa Is A Terror Organization, Crackdown Coming As Leftists Defend Violence w⧸ Nick Sortor, Andy Ngo, James Klug &#x26; Richie McGinniss

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Antifa Is A Terror Organization, Crackdown Coming As Leftists Defend Violence w⧸ Nick Sortor, Andy Ngo, James Klug & Richie McGinniss