In this episode of Culture War, host Libby Emmons is joined by author Andy Ngo and YouTuber James Klug to discuss the rise of Antifa and domestic terrorism by the far-left in the United States.
00:02:07.980So I just wanted to get started with you guys.
00:02:09.860You guys all have a lot of expertise in ground reporting, in research, in what's been going on with the far left and Antifa over the past several years.
00:02:18.080And we've really seen in the second Trump administration a big focus on this kind of violence.
00:02:24.460We've seen a crackdown in Portland, which is amazing in part because of Andy and my colleague Katie Debscourt, who's been out there since June covering the violence at the ICE facilities.
00:02:34.880What do you attribute this resurgence in attention to Antifa under the Trump administration?
00:02:41.220Why is he so invested in dealing with this?
00:02:44.740We saw the first ever roundtable at the White House about Antifa.
00:03:21.880Well, there are a couple of things or events that have happened this year.
00:03:27.020So the violence against ICE has started since June in Portland in particular, but it's spread to cities across the U.S.
00:03:35.040That's just general left-wing violence.
00:03:37.840It includes a coalition that has many of the same people from 2020, but Mexican nationalists and open borders extremists have been brought into that coalition.
00:03:48.260In July, in Alvarado, Texas, the Prairieland ICE facility was shot up in an ambush shooting attack by members, allegedly, of a North Texas Antifa cell.
00:04:01.620Some of them were also members of a John Brown gun club, which is a far-left militia group.
00:04:07.240So in that instance, there was allegedly a group of 16 to 17 of them who conspired, carried out the shooting.
00:04:17.280And many of them were caught that night or in the coming days.
00:04:21.260One, the alleged ringleader, Benjamin Song, was on the run and was found almost two weeks later.
00:04:28.840It was a huge FBI manhunt, and he was being hidden in a safe, essentially, Antifa safe house in Dallas.
00:04:35.660Then there have been a number of attacks on journalists in Portland, influencers and others who have visited.
00:04:46.420And I think what really pushed it through the line in terms of like a White House agenda item was, I believe, the assassination of Charlie Cook.
00:04:55.680In the immediate days after that, there was a lot of lies and misinformation spread by the left.
00:05:02.900They said that the suspect was far right, that he was a Christian nationalist.
00:05:07.240All these horrible lies that went quite mainstream on the left to obfuscate from what was written on the rifle cartridges.
00:05:16.400A fascist catch, the lyrics of Bella Chow.
00:05:21.560I mean, when the governor of Utah read the lyrics of Bella Chow, I know it went over the ears of most people.
00:05:29.720They may not be familiar with that Italian folk song, but that has been adopted as like the worldwide Antifa anthem.
00:05:37.900And there's not a lot of space you can use to write on these rifle cartridges.
00:05:42.540And the fact that one of the four was dedicated to that, I think, says a lot.
00:05:50.260I mean, I think Andy's absolutely right.
00:05:53.680But I think in terms of the White House being sort of, I guess, shocked into this roundtable that we were all very grateful that we were all invited to this.
00:06:05.900And I mean, they picked some great people to go.
00:06:09.300So, I mean, Andy's been working on this for the longest time.
00:06:13.480And then, you know, I think one of the catalysts to like a lot has happened over the past 10 days, including the assault of Katie Davis Court there in Portland, where the I mean, I've talked about this a lot over the over the past 10 days,
00:06:30.080because it's so infuriating to me to watch this video of Katie being, you know, hit with a flagpole, given a concussion.
00:06:54.940That infuriated a lot of conservatives, especially like reporters and influencers that then immediately went to Portland and then started covering it on the ground.
00:07:06.380And then, you know, it really created a groundswell.
00:07:24.640Everyone's sick and tired of hearing Antifa, what they took over an entire literally like annexed a block right outside of federal property.
00:07:31.760And then you show up for less than 24 hours and you're the one that gets arrested.
00:07:35.580And I mean, I think that that really showed the contrast here.
00:07:38.920We see the video of Katie's assailant giving the finger to the police and not being arrested, which I think was totally like now they put out this.
00:08:17.920Also, it doesn't even matter with that specific group being all black bloc necessarily because 95 percent of them are just unfortunate shapes and sizes to where you can pretty much like Andy.
00:08:47.420Anyways, the reason I'm saying that is because, yes, it's still early on, but I do think that this roundtable pointed at a common trend that we're seeing.
00:09:53.400They don't even have leaf blowers yet, let alone the metal saws they used to saw the fences down.
00:09:58.300I think that's why we're seeing it, though, because the Trump administration in 2020, you know, sent in the DHS troops, which is kind of the equivalent of the ICE now, to defend the federal courthouse.
00:10:09.480And they were, you know, only able to protect that one little area surrounding the federal courthouse.
00:10:17.340I think now they're preempting that and saying, we don't want to end up with another CHAZ.
00:10:21.320Yeah, I actually remember the day that Andy jumped in and was like, well, it's been 100 days in 2020 outside the Portland federal building.
00:10:29.000We saw Katie and Andy in the CHAZ as well.
00:10:32.040Katie went in there with the American flag.
00:10:34.400And she effectively was assaulted when they ripped the flag away from her.
00:10:39.080And, you know, at that time, people were just like less aware than they are now.
00:10:43.460So I think, you know, a lot more conservatives are now showing up to these places and demonstrating on the other side of things.
00:10:50.240And that was not something that was – I mean, dude, you were hiding in 2020 for sure.
00:10:55.720And if you weren't, you're probably getting assaulted or even worse.
00:10:59.880It was like – it was pretty hairy for a moment there.
00:11:03.080But the other night when we were at the ICE facility in Portland, you know, you have like 30 conservatives showing up, showing support for ICE.
00:20:24.040So it looked like, oh, cool, a laser light show.
00:20:26.420No, when you have 50 people directing these lasers at the eyes of an individual officer, you get injuries that can damage the eye permanently.
00:20:36.340And there were dozens of federal agents whose eyes were injured.
00:20:39.980And on the laser subject right now, an Antifa blog in Portland has put out flyers and put out posts online calling for their comrades to try to aim all their lasers at the pilot that flies the DHS helicopter.
00:21:43.720You're remembering a headline that was also just fake.
00:21:46.180Well, they're so lucky that they have the entire, like, media machine backing them up, comedy, entertainment, whatever it may be, late night comedy, whatever it may be.
00:21:55.180They have all of that backing them up.
00:21:56.740So all they really need is those little movements, right, those moms or the people in the costumes to use as propaganda so you can say, oh, well, look, it's like this.
00:22:05.160So I was talking to Andy on the way over here.
00:22:06.800And what you'll notice is Democrat politicians, commentators, whatever it may be, are saying, oh, really?
00:22:57.840There's, you know, this isn't a riot or whatever.
00:22:59.340Well, the reason that there were so few people out there when Christy Noem was there is because Portland police cleared the block like they should do every single night.
00:23:06.640Like Gavin Newsom did for President Xi when he came in.
00:23:14.440They wanted to make sure that they had it under control so that the pictures that came out from Christy Noem's visit did not look like that there was lawlessness outside the ICE facility.
00:23:23.080Now, there is no reason that – this was the proposal that DHS made, which doesn't seem that it's too far out there.
00:23:32.300Just give them a place where they can protest.
00:23:35.500They're not saying that you can't protest.
00:23:37.260They're just saying you can't protest in the middle of the street and block our agents and, you know, hamper deportations.
00:23:45.700Like we give you a zone over here where you can protest, not in the middle of the street.
00:23:49.820I mean Portland police could do that very, very easily if they actually wanted to and that would solve most of these problems.
00:23:57.280That's like during the Biden administration you had all of this nonsense about – even before – free speech zones on college campuses and conservatives were like shunted into these little corners of campuses where they could talk about, you know, things like pro-life and all kinds of other stuff.
00:24:12.520But they're not willing to put protesters who are violently attacking law enforcement – like you can have part of the block.
00:24:32.900We saw CNN's Erin Burchette – Burnett, I forget.
00:24:36.620Yeah, Burnett just on Wednesday night after the roundtable, which was so compelling, she went on air and she started talking about how Antifa wasn't even real because they don't have a visible leadership structure.
00:24:48.180You know, she's expecting someone to get out there and be like, I'm Antifa.
00:24:52.940And that's, you know, not what happens.
00:24:55.340You know why they don't have a centralized leadership structure?
00:24:58.020It's because they've learned – these are far less violent extremists – who've learned from the mistakes from the Weather Underground, Black Liberation Army, and other communist terrorist groups in the 60s and 70s, which young people today have no idea even existed.
00:25:13.020That for a period of time in America, there were terror cells carrying out bombings, killings, jailbreakings, shooting people dead, manufacturing bombs at home, and exploding buildings.
00:26:29.340What matters is how people organize around that ideology, right?
00:26:33.200And it can manifest in very different ways.
00:26:35.540Radical Islam can include international terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda, Al-Shabad, Boko Haram, ISIS.
00:26:42.780That – where there's leadership, you know, who's at the top.
00:26:48.420And then it can also be groups like Muslim Brotherhood who are part of the Islamist ideology as well.
00:26:55.380And they function as charities in a number of Western countries, nonprofits.
00:26:59.940And then there are those who consume the extremist propaganda that's online and become a lone wolf, radicalized individual and takes direct action.
00:27:11.580So the Antifa ideology manifests in all that way – in all those ways.
00:27:17.160And some of the groups don't even have the name Antifa in it, but they are an Antifa group.
00:27:22.340For example, going back to 2020, the group that organized the riots in Portland and Seattle was the Youth Liberation Front.
00:27:48.520That's why they organize in that way so that they can just fade into the back and say there is no organized structure so that they can continue carrying out acts of organized violence.
00:27:59.920Just look at the footage of the riots.
00:28:49.160There are some rioters getting hundreds of thousands because they were arrested and they alleged police brutality in Portland or any of these other cities.
00:28:58.140Mainstream media is very important to them.
00:29:00.220That's why they're so angry about Paramount buying free press and placing Barry Weiss at editor-in-chief of CBS because they need the fellow travelers who work in, ideological fellow travelers who work in mainstream media to mainstream their propaganda.
00:29:17.340And they need stenographers for their lies there.
00:29:21.800And they need the useful idiots as well who parrot certain things out of ignorance.
00:29:28.080Yeah, like Aaron Burnett the other day.
00:30:49.740I mean, counter protester is a – never once did I see Katie out there going up and confronting these people on the streets out in front of the ICE facility and yelling at them.
00:31:03.000And, I mean, that would be a counter protester, right?
00:31:05.820I've never seen her do anything like that.
00:31:07.400I think they were just trying to insult her.
00:31:56.800Because everyone – it's the same tired game that they always play, right?
00:32:00.380This group that was responsible for inciting a majority – or I don't know about a – a solid half of the most violent riots in 2020 and 2021.
00:32:10.120Antifa, the group that was responsible for most likely starting most of those.
00:32:14.360You know, you're talking, what, billions of dollars of damage to communities all over the country?
00:32:18.840You're talking about thousands of officer casualties?
00:32:20.880You're talking about, I mean, jeez, dozens of people dying because of those riots?
00:32:25.460So, I mean, to keep running with the idea that, oh, it's just an ideology.
00:32:37.860Because for some reason they think that that means that there's nothing happening on the ground.
00:32:42.380It's the same game that they want to play.
00:32:43.760You'll see a lot of people saying, I'm Antifa.
00:32:44.780You'll see that, yeah, because they're trying to take away from the actual militants on the ground that are committing the violence and all that stuff, right?
00:32:52.640So we were talking about the media a little bit, and I got this email yesterday that I sent to them.
00:32:56.500We have a little, you know, Antifa – what is it called?
00:33:03.160And so I got this – I believe it was the Oregonian that sent this email just – it seemed really bitter about the fact that, you know, we had brought a national spotlight to the story.
00:33:16.860And, you know, they've been spending – how long now?
00:33:19.740Trying to shut the whole thing down, pretending like, hey, it's just a peaceful dance party in the street.
00:36:15.280And they claimed that I was a rioter who punched a door.
00:36:18.820So they're implying not only that I cracked that window, but that I'm a rioter, even though I had congressional press credentials, I was allowed to be there, but I look like a knuckle-dragging Trump supporter.
00:36:28.560They didn't even go to check, oh, yeah, we used this guy's reporting after that shooting in Kenosha.
00:36:31.900They just instantly called me a rioter.
00:36:33.300There was an interesting thing, going back to what we were talking about with, you know, calling Savannah not a journalist and the rest of it.
00:38:30.900Mr. President, if I can answer that question, the reason why they're doing it is because the same media that's sitting in this room with us has declared all of us at this table Nazis and fascists, and they've been doing this for years.
00:38:43.260This is why Antifa feels emboldened to attack us.
00:38:46.280Now, almost every single person at this table has been threatened with a steel bat.
00:39:10.920Back in 2020, I watched as a father was being mobbed and surrounded by Antifa members as his terrified crying children looked on, and the police here did nothing.
00:39:20.480I watched as a woman had her hair violently ripped out of her skull simply for waving an American flag on the streets of Washington, D.C.
00:39:28.740And by the way, if you guys try to go and find any of this footage, you won't find any of it because Twitter deleted all of it because our president shared my reporting, and they deleted my entire account immediately after.
00:39:39.600So now, if you want to know what happened in 2020, all you're going to see is the media headlines that said that it was fiery but mostly peaceful.
00:40:07.620And I think we've talked a little bit about the media and why they're doing it.
00:40:12.300They're basically handmaidens to this violent leftist organization that has so many deep tendrils, I think, internationally, in organizations, in NGOs, in not-for-profits, in local police departments somehow.
00:40:28.120But what is it that Antifa is looking for?
00:40:59.660There are communists in Antifa, but they're more so, the majority of them are anarchists and anarchist communists.
00:41:06.820And so the violence is done essentially out of nihilism.
00:41:13.260And that's why there's such brutality in it.
00:41:15.720Setting buildings on fire when people are inside.
00:41:18.160Or in the case of, in June, the ICE facility, trying to lock and barricade the doors on the ICE facility and set it on fire when there are people inside.
00:41:25.860These type of brutal, cruel, subhuman type of acts of violence.
00:41:32.220And their motto is, become ungovernable.
00:41:35.620So they want to destroy not just the U.S. as a nation, but they don't want to necessarily replace it with like a communist regime.
00:41:41.960They want to destroy everything, all the institutions, the concept of nation states.
00:41:48.320So when they do things like aid in giving out drug paraphernalia, there's a reason for that.
00:41:56.000In the homelessness, they believe it's an attack, mass homelessness, they view as an attack on capitalism.
00:42:05.420They know that the money from the drugs that are flowing in, that are killing people, helps foreign and international cartel networks that keeps migrants coming in.
00:42:16.260All that's meant to destabilize the U.S.
00:42:18.480They know they don't have the tanks or the type of weapons that can compete with the U.S. military.
00:42:23.740So their goals are attacking infrastructure and playing a very long game.
00:42:50.620We need to fight back by any means necessary.
00:42:54.180And you see in that last nine years how Democrats and liberals in the mainstream have become much, much more open and tolerant to political violence.
00:43:03.680Just think of their reactions every time that we've seen killings of individuals on the right or attempted killings.
00:43:11.040It's been celebrations and encouragements for more.
00:43:14.040And they make heroes out of those who have done the killings.
00:43:18.160Do they want to replace it with anything?
00:43:56.940The first thing that happened in the Chaz was they got the six block area because Mayor Durkin and Police Commissioner Carmen Best capitulated a six block area in the spirit of quote unquote de-escalation.
00:45:15.140In the context of the riots, these encampments where the food is provided to homeless people,
00:45:19.960they room the homeless people to become rioters.
00:45:23.460And if you look through some of the exhibits that's in the ongoing lawsuit right now by the state of Oregon,
00:45:28.840the city of Portland against the U.S. government and the Trump administration to block troops from being used for federalized service in the state of Oregon,
00:45:37.700one of the exhibits included, I don't know if it was on accident.
00:45:40.160There were hundreds of pages of things.
00:45:42.820It was a write-up from the Portland police, and it described how an older homeless man at the ICE facility in the summer went up and told the officers there,
00:45:55.220can you please just let me shake this because I'm being threatened to do it by the Antifa and the mob.
00:47:35.880I talked to Portland Police about him.
00:47:37.960There was one liaison that I will say that was very much on my side in this entire situation, like against the wishes of the rest of the police bureau, it seems.
00:47:46.080And he kind of gave me a little bit of insight on this guy where Portland police actually believe that he is, he's being used, as you're saying, by these thugs, these Antifa thugs that are out on the street, using him to commit crimes, sometimes violent crimes, because they know that he won't be prosecuted for it.
00:48:07.200Why won't he be prosecuted just because he's some homeless guy?
00:48:12.320I mean, you can hear him in the background.
00:48:14.280Pretty much every video of me that people were taking, you can hear this guy in the background screaming threats at me.
00:48:23.800And so they believe he's being compensated in some way and that he's being used because he's mentally ill.
00:48:30.580I haven't been able to confirm that, but it sort of falls in line with what you're saying.
00:48:34.600Those are some of the scarier ones, too, because they have literally nothing to lose as well.
00:48:39.520And so those are the ones you definitely have to watch out for.
00:48:41.320I remember the federal courthouse, the Marco Hatfield federal courthouse, across the river from that courthouse was that big encampment in 2020, I think it was, big homeless encampment.
00:48:52.220A lot of the people that were rioting there each night were definitely over at that homeless encampment because we went to go check it out and they spotted us.
00:48:58.540Yeah, it was a state-sanctioned homeless encampment.
00:49:25.580You know, obviously he had problems with his dad growing up and now he's lashing out in that way.
00:49:29.820But the Trumpet Man who was at all these riots, then two months later in, like, October, November, there's a video of a guy filming that encampment, massive encampment.
00:49:43.680Yeah, like, most of the people out there were.
00:49:45.240For people that don't know, Trumpet Man was a, what would you consider him, an Antifa influencer?
00:49:50.520You would show up some nights and, like, some of the famous Antifa rioters would show up and everyone would be like, oh my gosh, it's this person.
00:51:28.740They ended up leaving because of the constant rioting.
00:51:32.040The property next to it apparently isn't renewing their lease because of the constant rioting.
00:51:36.660The apparently low-income apartments across the street, I was told it's at like 35 percent occupancy.
00:51:48.300And when I was talking to Antifa about that, they were saying, well, it's because of ICE and the Republicans that are showing up every night to provoke us.
00:52:27.280I mean, if you're going to talk about victim blaming, I would say that's probably one of the best ways that they use to spin the narrative.
00:52:33.920Yeah. No, no, no. It's it's not your fault for filming zoo animals.
00:52:37.080It's the zoo animals fault for misbehaving when you're filming them.
00:52:40.800So Christy Noem had said that she was pledging a lot more government support for DHS in Portland, including new buildings for DHS activity.
00:52:51.320Do you think there's going to be protests at anything that they set up in Portland?
00:53:19.460If they are getting new properties and they're expanding, first of all, they can like, you know, spread that throughout the city.
00:53:24.820It's very difficult for all of these groups to be so activated that they're showing up to all of those properties, all of those facilities and having big numbers every night.
00:53:55.560And they were screaming at it in megaphones up to the rooftop.
00:53:57.840And so the rest of the crowd is like, oh, my God, really?
00:54:00.220They're handcuffing babies in the middle of the night?
00:54:02.320So it's stuff like that that's getting them motivated to show up.
00:54:05.360When I'm talking to the people outside, just like everyday people that are showing up, not even the Antifa, but just everyday leftists that are showing up at the ICE detention facility in Portland,
00:54:12.520they would be giving that reason as a reason for showing up and, you know, showing their solidarity.
00:54:17.620Right. It's like every single reason that they show up to protest ICE is a hoax.
00:54:21.980So these are the leftists who are energized by fake news headlines, show up to basically support Antifa.
00:54:29.160I may be misquoting, but I seem to remember Che Guevara saying that he would not have been able to do what he did without community support.
00:54:35.600You're talking about some members of the community who are unhappy about this, people leaving the apartment buildings.
00:54:41.260I know Katie did some work over the summer.
00:54:42.960She talked to a woman who essentially sued to try and get the riots to stop.
00:54:57.220So what are the conditions that are making Portland a comfy place for Antifa to do this?
00:55:04.780And is that spreading in other parts of the country?
00:55:07.580We saw Savannah Hernandez did a bunch of work over the, was it over the summer?
00:55:11.400I don't remember exactly when it was, but in Brooklyn showing people putting a stop to traffic in order to, like, just cars on the road in some sort of anti-immigration protest.
00:55:24.060And then completely being like, oh, no, you have to get to work.
00:55:29.500Yeah, we saw in Chicago just recently people rammed their car into DHS agents, and some of these people were illegal immigrants and affiliated with, you know, drug cartels.
00:55:43.300What are the conditions on the ground that are – and in 2020 also we saw a groundswell of support from local communities where, you know, Antifa would go in, BLM would go in and stage all of these protests.
00:55:55.420And then you'd have, you know, a bunch of teenagers start marching around Seattle.
00:56:00.580You know, you had all of this support.
00:56:03.300How are they getting this groundswell of support?
00:56:06.280Do you anticipate something like that, like what we saw in 2020 for this anti-immigration, you know, anti-ICE stuff coming?
00:56:15.540And how are they able to secure that support where they do have it?
00:56:20.300So I'm from Portland originally, and Portland is an example of what happens when a city, county, and state is completely dominated by Democrats.
00:56:31.660And so they control everything, all institutions, government, control the purse, the money as well.
00:56:38.160And even on institutions that are meant to be or required to be apolitical, like prosecutors, police, they get pressured to become politicized.
00:56:50.840They get rewarded for being politicized in the right way.
00:56:54.100So in 2020, going back to that, district attorney who came into power in August 2020 during the riots at its height, immediately – he was very progressive.
00:57:04.420He immediately announced that week he wasn't going to prosecute a whole list of riot-related crimes.
00:57:10.760And that completely – that gave essentially permission to the rioters to, like, do whatever the hell we want.
00:57:19.380The Portland police at that time, they were using things like tear gas and such, making mass arrests sometimes.
00:57:25.540By the end of the 120 nights of rioting, there were almost 1,000 arrest cases.
00:57:34.420Well, that goes to the DA's office, and DA's office stamped, no complaint, no complaint, no complaint, which means that they're dropping the case.
00:57:47.260And it's not just a DA at that time who's to blame.
00:57:50.400We had a U.S. attorney in Oregon – so this is under Trump's DOJ in the first administration, by the way – who dropped a lot of the federal cases as well and or gave them sweetheart plea deals.
00:58:06.340I remember – yeah, I remember a lot of sweetheart plea deal headlines that we had.
00:58:10.440In the same federal courthouse that was being assailed every single night, which is the irony, though.
00:58:14.400And you had city council on the side of the rioters, the mayor who's sympathetic to the leftists, the governor then, the governor now.
00:58:23.500So it works as a whole machine, and it's replicated in other Democrat-controlled states like Washington state and other places.
00:58:31.860I think that they really rely on, like I was mentioning previously, news stories or an individual that they can base their movement off of to get everybody energized and engaged and wanting to show up.
00:58:45.220So they certainly have – like the more that ICE is in the news for whatever hoax is happening, the more they can get people out there.
00:58:52.460How is it going to compare to 2020 or 2021?
00:58:58.800One, I do think that they're going to rely – they need to rely on something bigger.
00:59:03.400But also, I don't know – Andy, I'm curious your thoughts on this.
00:59:07.060I don't know that they'll be able to keep it up nationally as we get closer to winter just because a lot of these people are fair-weather protesters.
00:59:32.320But I expect it to kind of slow down unless there's something big that happens, and that could happen.
00:59:37.180I mean, you know, the more that they're interfering with federal operations, the more that they're, you know, preventing these officers from doing their jobs, the more opportunities there are, unfortunately, for mistakes or things to happen, right?
00:59:53.840They're trying to use that – what was he, a preacher?
01:03:20.620Maybe they will have to – if it intensifies, they're going to have to use something more than that.
01:03:24.580But these left-wing groups, they hold, like, trainings for their, quote-unquote, medics and media and all that stuff that they have.
01:03:31.820But all of it revolves around rioting and what to do.
01:03:35.540I don't know – I mean, in 2020 and 2021, like, you would never get an interview with somebody that you would consider Antifa.
01:03:43.100But I was talking to a medic the other day, quote-unquote, medic that they had, and she was spilling the beans.
01:03:47.800And she kind of realized halfway through the conversation that I was asking all these probing questions about their tactics and how often they're holding, you know, trainings.
01:03:58.420I will release it, though, because it's pretty interesting because she's saying, oh, yeah, we train, you know, once a month and mainly having to do with what to do at riots and how to take care of people.
01:04:33.040The homeless people that have nothing to lose, that are violent, those ones are scary because they don't care.
01:04:36.760And so, you know, I don't know where she was on that, but she was definitely, you know –
01:04:42.580Was this an actual she or was it one of the – there was one that was dressed in military fatigues that had the medic and the trans flag next to it, which was –
01:04:52.060Yeah, she ran up to me with pepper spray and was like, you can't film medics.
01:05:12.300Because I remember when I used to go to protests when I was, like, a leftist and I would go to protests, mostly I protested the Iraq War and the Patriot Act, so I would still protest both those things.
01:05:23.560But anyway, the National Lawyers Guild would come out and you'd, like, end up talking to National Lawyers Guild people and they'd tell you what to do.
01:05:31.680And we didn't have cell phones, but, you know, they were like, if you did have cell phones, you know, delete all your contacts, put them somewhere else, write phone numbers on your arm because you're not going to be able to, they're going to take your stuff.
01:05:45.720So you want to be able to make your phone call.
01:05:47.840And they were very, they would be very aggressive.
01:05:51.460Like, I remember marching around with, like, the transit union on, was it 57th Street in New York City?
01:05:57.960And Jerry Springer was there, and that was pretty funny.
01:06:00.780But I think I still have photos of that.
01:06:04.160But you were recently talking about the National Lawyers Guild, and even all these years later, I was surprised to find that these guys were, like, the epitome of, you know, far-left crazy people.
01:06:17.080So the National Lawyers Guild is probably the most important support auxiliary group.
01:06:22.480I saw them de-arrest people back in, like, 2003, but, yeah.
01:06:26.140NLG is the most important group that supports Antifa because they provide the legal aid, and they have a huge infrastructure for it.
01:06:35.140It's a non-profit, and they have chapters at basically all the law universities across the United States.
01:06:45.120So students, radical leftist students who are in a JD program become members, and they volunteer to be, they say, legal observers.
01:06:55.040You see them wearing a green hat or a green helmet now.
01:06:58.220And when I first saw them years ago back then, and I knew nothing about them, I was very naive.
01:07:03.180I was thinking, oh, these were independent legal observers just keeping an eye on things and making sure that people's civil rights aren't violated.
01:07:12.400They're there to aid in the rioting itself.
01:07:16.800They themselves usually do not commit crimes or smarter than that, but they're there to record things selectively, gather evidence for the lawfare against police in cities to try to restrict police's ability to use certain tools.
01:07:31.680For a time in Portland, and this might be in effect now, for example, Portland police were barred by the city council from using tear gas.
01:07:42.200I don't know if that's still an effect, but there was like, anyways, the NLGL also provides bail funds, and it's an old group.
01:07:50.320It goes back to the time when communists were quite active politically in the U.S., and they were providing legal counsel and aid to them.
01:08:02.180On their website today, they have a post that's been up for years explaining that they don't condemn political violence, that they say fascism has to be defeated by any means necessary.
01:09:00.480Andy, did you happen to give any information about that to the Trump administration the other day?
01:09:06.740Because all of these little things, you know, if we can get these at the forefront of the conversation, whether – you know, maybe they can't shut that down, but maybe they can create consequences for states using taxpayer dollars going to these groups.
01:09:22.540So, you know, we were each given an opportunity to speak maximum five minutes, two to five minutes.
01:09:27.720So none of us could get into the granular of anything.
01:09:40.300But that's part of – like, the Antifa apparatus has to – it's big, and it includes – the nonprofits is a huge part of it.
01:09:50.280That's why, over and over, we see even the suspects who are prosecuted because they did things like felony arson or stabbing somebody, like really serious felonies.
01:10:02.200They get out with sweetheart deals because they have free legal representation that's funded by taxpayers for specifically far-left terrorists.
01:10:12.520Is this something that came up in the – oh, go ahead.
01:10:16.120I actually responded to your post about the – I didn't know much about the National Lawyers Guild until, I guess, when I was – I lived in Austin at the time.
01:10:36.060But anyway, so we're at UT Austin where there were protests happening there over – I believe they were, like, over Israel or something.
01:10:42.740So you had these National Lawyers Guild people in the green hats that are down there, and my ex-girlfriend was recording the – just the unrest that was going on there at UT Austin.
01:10:55.600And this NLG chick came up, grabbed my girlfriend's phone, chucked it on the ground, just – I mean, just – and it shattered the entire screen, and the phone – the touchscreen didn't work anymore or anything like that.
01:11:08.280And Portland – or not Portland – UT Austin's general counsel saw it happen, and so he actually went and helped us file with police against this woman.
01:11:34.740So, I mean, you say that a lot of times they're not committing crimes.
01:11:38.600It's like one of the only encounters I've ever had with them is when they committed a crime by taking my girlfriend's phone and chucking it on the ground intentionally, like – spiking it.
01:11:49.580A lot of these groups are really lucky that they get babied by their local leadership, by conservatives that they encounter, if I'm being totally honest with you.
01:11:57.740I mean, they're really lucky that people have so much – I don't know what the word is – tolerance for their behavior, you know, because you have one conversation with these people.
01:13:14.620Well, I mean, SPLC's Southern Poverty Law Center organization, nonprofit, has 500 millions in assets, smears targets on the right, has a hate watch list, creates lists of people to target.
01:13:32.080One of their attorneys, one of their staffers, an NLG member, was arrested on a really violent Antifa riot in the Atlanta area in 2023, I believe.
01:13:44.000And he was charged with domestic terrorism along with 60 other individuals.
01:13:48.420So, talking about NLG a moment ago in criminality, I'm also aware that members of the NLG, they will – they aid Antifa in doxing individuals because, you know, these are law students.
01:14:01.620They have access very easily to court records, property records.
01:14:04.720So, that's how they're able to get very personal information that's usually, for the layman, a bit more difficult to gather.
01:14:21.720So, if people ever wondered, like, how did, like, they find out, like, everything about myself, my spouse, my children, properties that we own, or properties we used to live in, all that information they get through members of the NLG.
01:14:34.560I actually remember what I was going to say.
01:14:36.820Because we were talking about, you know, people documenting, people committing crimes or anything, and they're 100% selective.
01:14:42.100My point of bringing up the boomers, right, was even they have the shortest fuse, where they'll full-on assault you, they'll assault my camera guy, they'll, and not all the time.
01:15:21.580And to be quite honest with you, I mean, it's like, to watch people have that short of a fuse, it is kind of funny.
01:15:26.760I mean, you're just like, how did you get this far?
01:15:28.600What happened along the way that made you act like this?
01:15:31.400But my point is, even the boomers have the shortest fuse.
01:15:34.840So, these Antifa groups, these more left-wing, militant, aggressive groups, I mean, you say one tiny thing.
01:15:41.460You treat them one-tenth the way that they treat you, and they will snap.
01:15:45.940And back to my original point, they are lucky that conservatives are so kind to them, and people in local leadership is so tolerant of their awful behavior.
01:15:54.820Well, is it lucky, or is it sort of coordinated in terms of local leadership, which tolerates this?
01:15:59.540I just mean that their political opposition is not morally bankrupt, and I think that they're good.
01:16:05.060Conservatives, I think, across the board are pretty darn good people.
01:16:08.160And even if you're not, like, hardcore conservative, you know, center-right, just normal.
01:16:11.320You're sort of upholding Judeo-Christian values that the boomers, in their haste to rebel against their parents, ditched along the way, helping to destroy the civil society in America.
01:16:21.260For sure, for sure. It's definitely, like, an entire party that is, at this point, just completely morally bankrupt.
01:16:27.700And you're seeing that in the younger generations as well when it comes to the left-wing is you see those polls?
01:16:32.660How many polls have come out celebration of murdering Elon Musk, Donald Trump, celebrating murdering their political opposition?
01:16:40.820I mean, it's tenfold. It's ten times the amount that conservative polls have shown.
01:16:44.340And those are, like, you know, those aren't, like, conservative pollsters showing that data.
01:16:48.840It's across the board. There's countless polls showing this when it comes to left-wing celebrating the murder, the brutal violence against their political opposition.
01:16:57.600But the focus on the anti-ice protests and riots, I hope people don't forget that just a few months ago, people were shooting up Tesla stores and setting them on fire.
01:19:24.860And then the craziest part of that is if you look at the video, and I was talking to the mom of one of the kids who was telling the cops they didn't do anything.
01:19:30.940And the car's literally flipped on its side.
01:19:33.380The guy's got a, you know, draped over him.
01:20:01.720So what is up with the funding, right?
01:20:03.900This is something that everyone wants to know about.
01:20:06.320Anytime I talk to people about Antifa, you know, my mom or anybody, they're like, well, where's this money coming from?
01:20:11.980Anna Paulina Luna tweeted out the other day a clip from the White House Roundtable.
01:20:17.440And she said, and this, you know, you guys were there, funders include Soros Open Society, Arbella Advisors, Tides Network, Han Yorg Weiss, Neville Roy Singham with ties to Armed Queers SLC, who's being investigated over the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
01:20:34.880How so all of so all of these organizations, I mean, you can even look in some cases, it'll all go back to like the Ford Foundation, you know, but you can look at these organizations.
01:20:45.200A lot of them are clearing houses for money being funneled to left wing groups.
01:20:50.960These groups have these groups have not for profit status, tax designation with the IRS.
01:20:59.180There are very strict rules that the IRS has for tax designated charities, one of which is that you cannot be advocating any specific political, you know, message.
01:21:24.220But a lot of these theaters, the public theater, all of them are tax designated charities.
01:21:30.360And they would go ahead and put on plays that were virulently anti-Republican, anti-Trump, pro-Obama, all of this kind of stuff.
01:21:41.040And I remember looking at it and being like, OK, so all of my friends are setting up theater companies that are basically so that their parents, their rich parents can give them money for free so that they can do their shows.
01:21:53.140And these shows are completely political.
01:21:57.020And OK, like at the time, what did I care?
01:21:59.660But then the more things started to change and I started to look at the world a little differently.
01:22:03.580I was like, what are the rules for charities?
01:22:06.700All of these organizations are breaking the charitable rules.
01:22:10.280I talked to a congressman at one point who was like, oh, I should look into that.
01:22:13.920And I was like, well, yeah, like you probably should.
01:22:28.860Well, it's my understanding that depending on the charity registration, it's more that you cannot advocate for a party or a politician who's running for office, like campaigning.
01:22:59.900Not I earlier I talked about the nonprofit's connection to in the Antifa apparatus.
01:23:04.900A lot of the money also comes through just simply crowdfunding.
01:23:10.480Like it's people are kind of surprised when I say that because they think it's more clandestine, that it involves like shadowy figures handing out checks to individuals.
01:23:21.360The people, the billionaires who are in millionaires, multimillionaires who are giving monies are giving it to their philanthropic arms who then give funds to these nonprofits that are very radical left and aid Antifa in various ways.
01:23:36.180But for like particular riot related events, the funding is done on Cash App, Venmo, PayPal even, GoFundMe, Razor and other fundraising platforms.
01:23:53.860I mean, the bail funds that were raised in 2020 were done through crowdfunding.
01:23:57.660The Minnesota Bail Fund, Freedom Fund, I might get the name wrong, the one that Kamala Harris tweeted out support for, they raised tens of millions of dollars just crowdfunding.
01:24:08.240Like, and this wasn't done secretively or anything.
01:24:41.300So they're able to get grants from the state.
01:24:43.300Democrats control funding in the state and can give out funds to various so-called nonprofit groups.
01:24:51.700It's quite huge funds, and it's used to support this whole insurrectionist cause.
01:24:58.580Yeah, they might be able to sell it as like bipartisan or something, but the only people sucking up those funds are violent left-wing activists.
01:25:05.000And it's the same as radical Islamism.
01:25:07.860I mean, if you look at the way that Qatar or Saudi Arabia funds radical Islamist groups, they take the money, they put it in the hands of a charity.
01:25:14.920And then when it's in the hands of the charity, they say, hey, we gave it to this charity.
01:25:18.320That charity then goes – so Open Society Foundation then goes and gives it to Indivisible, and then Indivisible goes and gives it to the Party for Socialism and Liberation.
01:25:26.820And so it changes hands like four different times.
01:25:29.100And everyone like Pontius Pilate's their way out of it.
01:25:30.380And then everybody just washes their hands of it and says, okay, well, I just gave to Indivisible, and they're above board.
01:25:35.560But then they give it to the next group, which is the grassroots group.
01:25:38.700And then you have the two different arms, which you have the clandestine.
01:25:42.280Behind the scenes, they're organizing in places like Telegram chats and Signal, and they're getting crowdfunded individually.
01:25:49.540That's like the Antifa side of things.
01:25:51.220But then you have the forward-facing Party for Socialism and Liberation, for example.
01:26:07.680Now, if that small group of agitators can agitate the police, a lot of those people who came out with, well, good intentions get tear gassed, and then they go crazy and turn into monkey brain.
01:26:49.460You had this during the Summer of Love with BLM, where you had such a big part of that movement was to defund the police.
01:26:56.620That whole defund the police thing was shockingly effective, I think, because it didn't just create conditions where city councils were able to pull funding from police, but it created a completely demoralizing situation for police on the job.
01:27:13.460There were a lot of resignations after that.
01:27:24.760And so you have some police, you know, some police districts, some police chiefs in areas that are more conservative are saying, like, come here.
01:27:31.960We'll give you good benefits and good pay.
01:29:09.720At the White House, I discussed – I suggested for what could be done potentially internationally is that the DOJ –
01:29:17.100sorry, excuse me – the State Department could designate the international Antifa as an FTL, foreign terrorist organization.
01:29:24.380Basically, all of the anti-terror legislation that exists in the U.S. is in the post-9-11 context, so it's outdated, but it's – as it is written, there's an international element to it, because they're thinking of Al-Qaeda, that type of context.
01:29:41.780However, Antifa is an international movement.
01:29:45.240And even though they are decentralized, they – the American Antifa share tactics and strategies with the Europeans and vice versa, targets of violence, targets of infrastructure to attack.
01:30:01.900And when one of them commits acts of violence, they're celebrated as a hero.
01:30:07.880So, Willem van Sponsen, a Belgian-American who shot up the ICE facility in Tacoma in 2019 and died in that attack, he is celebrated by the Antifa in Europe.
01:30:20.840There's a mural to him in Athens, Greece.
01:30:24.780Do they celebrate Charlie Kirk's killer as well?
01:30:26.920I haven't seen that yet, because I think Tyler Robinson, as far as I know, wasn't active in a protest network or scene locally,
01:31:32.200I don't know how he can deny it when it's in the first few pages of his Antifa handbook that the proceeds from that book are going to go to this defense fund,
01:31:40.620which aids criminal suspects and violent Antifa members internationally.
01:31:46.880Well, he's fled the U.S. now, allegedly, on this pretext.
01:32:07.560He's fled to Spain, I believe, because he's concerned about criminal prosecutions if the State Department was to designate Antifa as a foreign terrorist organization.
01:32:17.680And he is on record giving money to international Antifa.
01:32:22.260So would that actually make a difference in your opinion?
01:32:24.720Let's say it does become a foreign terrorist organization and you have, you know, the Open Societies Foundation dumping money into these various Antifa groups and whoever funds, say, Rose City Antifa, for example.
01:32:36.180You know, can you go after them criminally for funding a foreign terrorist organization?
01:32:43.060Here are some ways where it could immediately impact.
01:32:44.840So the whole, on the Antifa sites, like Rose City Antifa, a number of them, or the Rose City Counter Info blog, which is the Antifa blog that's putting up this event calling for people to use the lasers, their whole infrastructure in a number of anarchist extremist websites is based overseas.
01:33:05.560They do that so it's out of the reach of American control, like it can't be shut down.
01:33:11.580But, like, if Antifa was an FTO, then now it opens up way more legal avenues and resources for the U.S. to treat, I mean, it would be international terrorism in that regard.
01:33:27.920That's an immediate impact I can think of.
01:33:30.320Domestically, there's still a lot that Antifa can do without the international connection, obviously.
01:33:35.620When they organize at the cell level, it's very local.
01:33:40.540They're on a signal group for a particular direct action riot, and then the message is self-delete.
01:33:47.020And I know this type of stuff because I followed the SoCal Antifa trial in San Diego very closely last year, and it led—it was California that broke up an Antifa cell.
01:33:58.300I mentioned this at the White House table event, and people aren't familiar with it.
01:34:05.200But prosecutors in San Diego County successfully, in the only time in history that I'm aware of, broke up an Antifa cell because they identified members of this group, charged all 12 of them.
01:34:17.220Most of them were charged with felony conspiracy.
01:34:19.280That was the charge they used, and that's what I recommended to the DOJ, what the DOJ can use because there are federal conspiracy charges.
01:34:25.760There's racketeering because a lot of it is organized crime, but it's going to be really hard.
01:34:33.240I mean, they have—the Antifa are instructed so well, you know, have burner phones, pay for things with cash, don't have your contacts saved, obviously, don't even bring phones.
01:34:43.140They have, like, a very sophisticated way to sort of mask all of their organizing, but it can be uncovered.
01:34:53.220I mean, the North Texas Antifa cell is being prosecuted right now for that ambush shooting, and so I urge people to pay very close attention to that because the national media won't.
01:35:03.460I want to ask you one more thing about your—
01:35:09.660An individual has been arrested for threatening to kill my wife, my four children, and me.
01:35:13.840He sent a letter to my home saying he hated our views and wanted us dead.
01:35:17.060He's being charged federally and faces prison time.
01:35:21.440He goes on to thank the president and the Department of Justice for getting this guy arrested, but it looks like this guy was linked to Antifa.
01:35:33.680One month ago today, I witnessed my friend of 10 years, someone who I considered a brother, a loving husband, a devoted father, a generational leader, get assassinated on a live stream by a left-wing radical.
01:35:56.200Approximately one year ago, I witnessed the president of the United States get shot in the head by a left-wing radical who also took the life of a Trump supporter in front of his daughters and wife.
01:36:11.320Two months ago, Christian children kneeling and praying in a church were slaughtered by a left-wing extremist.
01:36:22.820And two weeks ago, federal law enforcement was shot at multiple sniper rounds in a federal facility by a left-wing extremist.
01:36:32.960If it's happening every single week, is it that extreme, or has the Democrat Party mainstreamed violence as a political tool?
01:36:44.620The individual who wrote me described why he wanted me dead.
01:36:53.020I was a white, cis, Christian Trump supporter.
01:36:58.480They described in great detail how I would be killed in an open field, just like Charlie, how much blood would come out of my head and neck when it was blown off.
01:37:13.120This individual described orphaning my four beautiful children and widowing my wife with great joy.
01:37:22.480So we actually have a little background on who this guy was, and I know that the Postmillennial just published this, so we can take a look at that story.
01:37:40.560Bondi came up to us after the Antifa roundtable, showing a lot of concern about us talking about death threats.
01:37:48.340She was, I mean, she definitely, she seemed very, I don't know her personally, I didn't know her before the Trump administration.
01:37:55.680She seemed very concerned and very serious about it.
01:37:58.540Yeah, I'm glad that she was concerned.
01:38:00.700Yeah, so Pam Bondi announced the federal charges against the left-wing radical who threatened to kill commentator Benny Johnson.
01:38:07.220This is from Thomas Stevenson of the Postmillennial.
01:38:09.120She said that George Isbell Jr., who sent the letter, said he hated Benny because of his views and he wanted Benny, Benny dead.
01:38:18.440And she answered questions about the ideology of the person who was sent the letter.
01:38:22.000She said that it was a left-wing radical who had sent the letter threatening to kill Johnson.
01:38:27.220Are we going to see more political assassination attempts?
01:38:32.020We did just see the man who was convicted of trying to assassinate Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh.
01:38:40.620He got only eight years after saying that he was a woman and he was like transitioning in jail.
01:38:46.780And she was like, oh, we feel bad for you now.