The Culture War - Tim Pool - Asian Democrats CONDEMN Timcast IRL Over Comments About Chinese U.S. War

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00:00:56.480 And here I find myself, my show, as the target of ire from the Congressional Asian Pacific

00:01:03.120 American Caucus. You see, they're upset because in an episode of Timcast IRL, when I was not here,

00:01:09.000 mind you, Ian Crosland asked a question that I think maybe he phrased a little poorly,

00:01:15.480 but it is a question that should be asked. Now, Ian suggested, first he asked,

00:01:21.620 If China were to invade, say, Alaska, and we had Chinese forces moving through the country, should the United States in turn Chinese Americans?

00:01:34.460 The reason he was asking is because the U.S. did it during World War Two.

00:01:37.860 And currently in China, they intern Uyghur Muslims.

00:01:40.780 Now, I'll just say right off the bat, very obviously, no, the U.S. shouldn't.

00:01:47.020 It was bad when they did to the Japanese, and it would not even do anything meaningful today.

00:01:52.560 And what are you going to do?

00:01:53.760 Go up to a Chinese guy and being like, if you have an accent or you weren't born here,

00:01:57.880 therefore, the bigger question is national origin, not race.

00:02:02.540 In which case, there may be many individuals who came from China and moved here that it's

00:02:07.560 going to present an issue.

00:02:09.200 We don't know if a tourist, if a permanent resident, or even someone here on a temporary

00:02:14.540 visa is here for a reason other than stated. Therein lies the big challenge. It's not a

00:02:20.660 question of whether or not these individuals are Chinese. It's whether they are of national origin

00:02:25.940 to China. Now, I know there's going to be a lot of more racial identitarians on the left and the

00:02:30.460 right that will question that. And I think it's fair to say that human beings on a surface level

00:02:35.920 don't really know how to draw that distinction. Most countries are ethnic. Most countries have

00:02:43.560 an ethnic core identity, especially China. But the United States has got migrants and you've got

00:02:49.820 Chinese Americans who have been here for a very long time. And as you may know, I myself am of

00:02:54.720 mixed Asian and European descent. So I don't know how you answer this question reasonably, but I do

00:03:02.280 think asking it is totally fine. Now they're mad at us, but I think the conversation should be had.

00:03:07.620 So, dare I say, I am going to jump into the fray. Ian Crossland comes on the show. He asks questions not from this political perspective. And that's why I like having Ian on the show. Sometimes we argue for those that watch Tim Kest IRL. Many people say he's the best. Many people say he's the worst. But I just say this. Ian asks questions because he's not a political guy.

00:03:35.080 So often we find ourselves in conversations, sometimes derailed, sometimes frustrating.

00:03:41.120 But I'm not here to have a, yes, I agree.

00:03:44.780 I agree to conversation with a bunch of libertarians and conservatives.

00:03:48.460 So it is good to throw in the mix to have sometimes that frustrating conversation.

00:03:53.760 If I was here to pander, I don't know, I'd be screaming about Israel or something, whatever.

00:03:58.420 But of course, there's a bigger conversation about World War III.

00:04:01.420 And that's where I think we're going to head to in this question.

00:04:04.560 why it's coming up. So let me show you the statement made by this

00:04:09.440 caucus about us. And then we'll talk, of course, about the news and exactly what was said and what

00:04:17.540 should be said. Before we get started, of course, my friends, head over to town. I don't even know

00:04:21.520 if I have TimCast.com pulled up right now. We'll just pull it up for you. Head over to TimCast.com.

00:04:25.500 Join the frame, my friends. Get involved. Don't let them silence us putting out this fake outrage,

00:04:31.800 whatever it may be, stand with us. We are facing a new wave of cancel culture. So please hear me

00:04:37.480 when I say we have to build community. When people were locked down, when they were shut out, when

00:04:43.840 they were fired from their jobs, where did they turn to? Nobody even knew their neighbors. As they

00:04:50.020 start this cancel culture thing all over again, insulate yourself. All of us together and U.S.

00:04:57.080 members. We protect each other. Now, I'm also grateful to Rumble for the parallel economy

00:05:01.900 because it looks like censorship is on the rise, especially with TikTok. So keep that in mind.

00:05:07.260 Timcast.com. Join now. Get in the discord. Let's jump to the news. I think I have it here.

00:05:13.180 U.S. lawmakers condemn right wing podcasts calls for Chinese American internment. Heavens me. I

00:05:18.540 love how they use this picture of me. Like, hey, I didn't say it. Put me up there. Members of Asian

00:05:25.240 American Congressional Caucus warn. The dangerous and unacceptable rhetoric fuels discrimination and

00:05:30.300 violence. No, I think that's silly. I think there's a fair point. First of all, I am going to just say

00:05:37.240 this. How dare you? I am not going to play this not Asian enough game. You can't come to me and

00:05:43.160 do that. OK, I am Korean. OK, little bitty Japanese. And if you know the history of those

00:05:48.120 two nations, you might go, ooh. Indeed. Let me just say this. I love Japan. It's great. I love

00:05:58.280 anime and manga. Big fan. Watched Dragon Ball Z my whole life, okay? Lupin the Third, good fun.

00:06:04.560 And I had some Japanese people comment that it was offensive, as I explained why I am part

00:06:09.680 Japanese too. But let me just say, the ancestry that I have going way back, which actually

00:06:21.640 interestingly implies the Japanese heritage wasn't really that long ago, a couple hundred years,

00:06:25.660 maybe. Let me just say it was not a Romeo and Juliet love story where the Korean woman and

00:06:30.740 the Japanese guy were like, you know what? Even though our countries are racist towards each

00:06:36.940 other and hate each other. We love each other. I'm pretty sure that's not the way it went,

00:06:40.020 if you know what I mean. And I'm going to say this. Don't be ashamed of your history.

00:06:45.600 Just because it happened doesn't mean you're at fault, Japan. Okay? We know what Japan did to

00:06:50.860 Korea over and over and over again. But let me just tell you, Koreans and Japanese, they're racist.

00:06:57.840 Very racist. Okay, I'm just going to say it, right? Anyway, Asian American lawmakers in U.S.

00:07:03.860 Congress have condemned a right wing podcast that called for the forced internment of Chinese

00:07:08.740 Americans during a hypothetical war with Beijing. Now, one of the reasons I'm going to go ahead and

00:07:12.260 say no to this is because I'm part Asian. Like, I'm not convinced the government's going to be

00:07:17.640 able to tell the difference between a Laotian, a Korean and a guy from China. So let's just not

00:07:24.360 lock people up based on their race. The joint statement was released by Congresswoman Grace

00:07:29.340 Meng, Chairwoman of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus, and Judy Chu, KPAC's

00:07:34.740 Chairwoman Emerita, as well as Congressman Ted Lieu. The backlash was sparked by the comments

00:07:40.700 made on TimCast IRL, a pro-Trump video podcast. It's just, they have to do that. It's pro-Trump.

00:07:46.660 We've been ragging on Trump nonstop. It's like the war has not been popular. I've been calling

00:07:52.680 it a disaster and a failure, yet they won't stop calling it a pro-Trump podcast. It's like if you've

00:07:59.020 ever once said something, that's who you are for the rest of your life. Trump can do something

00:08:02.820 different and we can get mad about it. During an episode posted on August 14th, social media

00:08:09.380 influencer Ian Crossland, Ian is not even an influencer. Lord have mercy. He said,

00:08:17.520 if there was a war between the Chinese and the Americans and the Chinese landed in like Alaska

00:08:22.560 and started coming through Canada, what do you think, what do you think we should intern all

00:08:28.020 the Chinese Americans we can find because it kind of seems like we should. Grace Meng of New York is

00:08:33.480 among U.S. lawmakers to criticize comments by guests on Timcast IRL. Indeed. Crossland claimed

00:08:39.160 he did not want to implicate all Chinese Americans because that's horrific, but proceeded to question

00:08:43.360 their allegiance. How can you tell where their allegiances are? And how do you know if their

00:08:47.660 allegiances will or won't flip if the tide of war starts to change? Now, the question again is not

00:08:52.820 the race of the individual, but of their allegiance to a nation and their national origin

00:08:57.600 or nationality. Meaning, there are American white people who moved to China and became

00:09:02.920 Chinese citizens. Hassan Piker says he loves China while he condemns the United States.

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00:10:07.660 Kevin Smith, another guest, questioned whether it was possible. I don't think you could do that now

00:10:12.460 because I think while they were interning the Japanese, a lot of people probably didn't know

00:10:15.740 what was happening. You can't do stuff like that now. With social media and stuff, there'd be

00:10:19.940 protests outside of each one of them. I mean, I would personally protest that. I'm not playing

00:10:24.380 this game guys i got issues with chinese military stuff okay but i'm not going to be like oh yeah

00:10:28.980 that guy looks a certain way put him in a cage that's stupid because i look a certain way the

00:10:33.880 lawmakers slammed the dangerous and unacceptable rhetoric calling it an insult to millions of

00:10:37.360 loyal citizens these actually i think i have the uh the full statement where do they where do they

00:10:43.460 post it okay i'm gonna let's uh congressional asian pacific caucus x they they didn't they

00:10:53.120 posted it, but they didn't actually say the name of the show, though they did comment and respond

00:10:58.100 to it. So a mega podcast. All right, let's pull up the actual statement they wrote.

00:11:04.060 There were just Chinese-American members of Congress. We are appalled by recent comments

00:11:07.220 made in a pro-Trump podcast while discussing a hypothetical war with China. The panel made

00:11:11.260 deeply disturbing statements, arguing that it seemed like we should send the Chinese-Americans

00:11:14.720 to incarceration camps and that it is difficult to tell where their allegiances are. These comments

00:11:19.660 invoke centuries-old racist tropes that cast Chinese Americans as perpetual foreigners and

00:11:24.460 question their loyalty to the United States. Such rhetoric fuels discrimination and violence against

00:11:28.440 Chinese Americans and those perceived to be Chinese and contributes to a climate in which

00:11:32.800 one in five Americans are currently concerned about Chinese Americans posing a threat to U.S.

00:11:36.960 society. They say to call for a return to one of the darkest chapters in U.S. history, the

00:11:41.960 incarceration of more than 120,000 American citizens of Japanese descent during World War II

00:11:46.580 is dangerous and unacceptable. This kind of rhetoric has no place in our country and we

00:11:51.200 condemn it in the strongest possible terms. I'm going to go ahead and stop you right there and

00:11:55.480 say, how dare you? You know what? I'm going to argue this. I, as a multi-generational American

00:12:03.140 with some family that came from Korea and part Japanese because of the history of the war and

00:12:09.580 the conflict between the two countries, I would argue that I and my show have more right to

00:12:15.180 discuss this, then you guys, you see, I think that I represent the great melting pot of America.

00:12:24.420 I'm going to go ahead and claim a grieved status against these full Asians, because as a mixed race

00:12:30.340 person, I do not have privilege amongst the full Asian nor the full white community. Therefore,

00:12:36.380 in hierarchy of oppression, I am correct. I'm only half kidding when I say that. My point

00:12:42.800 ultimately is my family fought for civil rights. We literally experienced this like not me to only

00:12:50.520 the smallest extent, the remnants of these conflicts with, you know, we had an issue with

00:12:54.280 white supremacists. They were very mad at my family because we're a mixed race family.

00:12:57.580 But my mom, my grandpa, my grandma experienced it firsthand as they were together and married and

00:13:04.800 my parents and my uncles and aunts were born before the Civil Rights Act and before Loving

00:13:10.080 v. Virginia. So don't you tell me what my show can or cannot discuss. That is deeply offensive

00:13:18.600 to everything that my family went through. And you people stop trying to play your politics

00:13:24.620 on race on a show hosted by a mixed race Asian guy. It's ridiculous. I say this as somebody who

00:13:36.020 has white family members who fought against racism and who married outside their race and who believe

00:13:45.120 in the right to love and not be discriminated against based on your race. I believe these

00:13:51.700 conversations are incredibly important. And I applaud Ian Crossland for asking the question

00:13:58.040 because the U.S. did it before. And so the American people need to parse through what it means

00:14:04.360 if we enter another war with a nation like China with a large Chinese-American population.

00:14:10.780 Now, I am not Chinese, but I fully recognize, knowing the stories from my family,

00:14:17.340 that many Americans who are not Asian or don't know Asians can't tell the difference between various Asian nations.

00:14:24.720 Now, the crazy thing is Asians can.

00:14:27.660 Not all of them.

00:14:28.660 But I can't tell you how many times I've had an Asian person say to me,

00:14:32.580 which one of your family members is Korean?

00:14:34.360 And I'm like, not only do they know I was Asian, but they knew Korean.

00:14:37.720 That's the round face.

00:14:38.740 You know what I mean?

00:14:39.600 Koreans in their round faces.

00:14:40.840 We got them.

00:14:41.660 We got them.

00:14:42.600 So I take offense to this.

00:14:44.100 I feel that this is fake.

00:14:45.640 They're just trying to muster up some attention and and pretend like they're angry about it.

00:14:50.640 They're not really angry about it.

00:14:52.500 And I dare I say, I challenge you.

00:14:56.160 I challenge you, Congressional Asian Caucus, as to why you think it's appropriate to criticize

00:15:01.640 my show owned and hosted by a mixed race Asian man. See, that's why I'm telling you it's all

00:15:09.020 fake. It's all fake. Okay. Ian Crossland's a white American dude. He's not a political guy.

00:15:15.260 He's a hippie dippy graphene guy. He asked a question because it lingers in the minds of

00:15:20.440 many people who know the history of Japan. And he said, now, by all means, you can criticize

00:15:26.500 him for being a little uncouth, as we do sometimes. But I will not fault Ian for asking a question and

00:15:32.920 exploring an idea that many Americans are probably thinking about. And I will say this. Don't bring

00:15:39.340 your fake Asian offense to the mixed race Asian guy. And there's a lot of people right now that

00:15:44.420 are watching that are being like, oh, Tim, he's talking about his race. Well, I'm going to tell

00:15:47.100 you this. When my show is under fire from people based on race and I am of this of this origin,

00:15:54.300 I am allowed to host these conversations. It's offensive to me that we live in a country where

00:16:01.620 they argue racial slurs are not allowed unless you're of the race. And then when I host a show,

00:16:07.680 not mind you, I won't even hear, but I think it's appropriate and allowed to be talked about.

00:16:12.460 If Ian Crossland, my friend and a recurring, we call it the third chair because it fills the

00:16:18.580 co-host, but this is our third chair guest. Ian comes on once or twice a week. And if he wants

00:16:23.260 to ask these questions, I think that's totally fine. Completely fine. The question is, as America

00:16:29.360 has interned people based on race or national origin before, should we or would we do the same

00:16:34.800 thing again? My, of course, response as I land on top of the show is no, of course not. It doesn't

00:16:39.900 make sense. Things were different back then. I don't even think they should have done it last

00:16:43.760 time. Interning Japanese. That's silly. You can track for national origin, but there's a reality

00:16:50.700 that we have white Americans

00:16:52.540 that would be beholden to China all the same.

00:16:55.340 I just think it's offensive

00:16:57.100 that they would bring this crap to my show

00:16:59.960 and it proves they don't actually care.

00:17:03.020 They call us MAGA.

00:17:04.120 They call us pro-Trump.

00:17:06.380 And you know what?

00:17:07.420 I ain't playing these games.

00:17:08.540 You know what I mean?

00:17:09.680 I don't even know.

00:17:10.580 What is this one?

00:17:11.660 Who would win U.S. versus China conventional war?

00:17:15.300 Interesting.

00:17:16.240 The conversation is happening.

00:17:17.900 The Washington Post published this yesterday.

00:17:19.580 U.S. weapons shortage from Iran war alarms allies confronting China.

00:17:24.660 We have Chinese spies in this country.

00:17:26.660 Let me pull this one up.

00:17:28.160 Chinese spy, what was she, a commissioner?

00:17:32.460 Let's see.

00:17:34.180 Was it Eileen Wang?

00:17:36.360 Yeah, okay.

00:17:37.780 Let me pull this up.

00:17:39.560 Don't you play these games with me.

00:17:42.080 California mayor resigns.

00:17:43.620 We'll plead guilty to acting as an agent for Chinese government.

00:17:46.480 This is what Ian Crossland is bringing up.

00:17:49.580 Now, I don't think you're going to go to, like, what's that guy's name?

00:17:56.740 Let me make sure I get his name right.

00:17:58.580 What is it?

00:17:59.420 Simu Liu.

00:18:00.700 He's Chinese, right?

00:18:01.560 Yeah.

00:18:02.460 He's a Chinese-born Canadian actor.

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00:18:34.580 You're not going to go to this guy and be like, we're going to put you in a camp because you look a certain way.

00:18:38.220 Even though he was literally born in China, okay?

00:18:40.240 And he's Canadian.

00:18:41.280 I think the Canadian thing is worse.

00:18:43.060 Seema, I'm kidding, by the way.

00:18:45.300 We have a changing civilization, a changing country.

00:18:49.580 What we ask ourselves in terms of figuring out who is and is not against us, it's not a question of race.

00:18:56.020 All right. I just I just don't stand for that.

00:18:58.780 They say a Southern California mayor has agreed to plead guilty to acting as an illegal agent for the Chinese government and resigned.

00:19:04.340 Eileen Wang, the mayor of Arcadia, was charged in April with one count of acting in the U.S. as an illegal agent of a foreign government.

00:19:10.280 She was accused of doing the bidding of Chinese officials, such as sharing articles favorable to Beijing without prior notification to the U.S. as required by law.

00:19:18.800 The 58-year-old was elected in November of 22 to a five-person city council.

00:19:23.100 What do we do?

00:19:24.620 What do we do when we have Economic Times reporting?

00:19:28.800 Is Russia hinting at World War III?

00:19:30.960 UK asks its people to stock food and water as Putin warns of strikes on Britain.

00:19:36.680 CIA chief secretly flies to Moscow amid Kremlin threats.

00:19:41.220 Here's harvard.edu.

00:19:42.760 Two, President Xi Jinping invokes HKS professor Graham Allison's Thucydides trap in summit with

00:19:52.000 the president. Indeed, Xi said he hopes that we could overcome the Thucydides trap and establish

00:19:58.400 a new paradigm for relations between great powers. What does that mean? Xi Jinping said to

00:20:04.920 the United States, you are dying and we will win. Let's not have a war. That's what it means.

00:20:12.760 The Thucydides trap, something I reference quite a bit, means when a rising economic power is about

00:20:19.340 to displace the dominant power, there is a tendency for war to break out. Xi Jinping,

00:20:24.200 in invoking this, is saying it is the case that China will win. You will be displaced.

00:20:30.480 Let's not have a war about it. Well, them's fighting words, and therein lies the problem.

00:20:35.480 Do you think that Trump is going to sit back and be like, well, I guess the U.S. will fall,

00:20:39.140 in. Maybe the Democrats will. The question of whether or not there will be a war, dare I say,

00:20:44.320 is an important one. It's an important one. And we've got this post from the Congressional Asian

00:20:51.820 Pacific American Caucus. And I think I had another tweet pulled up, didn't I? I did. I have this one

00:20:56.980 where I said, Ian, no, media matters. Tim Kastirel panel discusses putting all the Chinese

00:21:02.980 Americans in internment camps with a hypothetical war with China. And Josie posts Elon Musk's thing,

00:21:10.460 Media Matters is a radical left propaganda. Chrissy Mayer says, let's hear him out, Tim.

00:21:16.000 The Appalachian podcast says, don't inhale the graphene, Ian. Kevin Smith, LMAO, they quote me

00:21:21.820 with a picture of Ian. Let's see. Let's see what some of the responses are. LMFAO, Phil tried so

00:21:30.240 hard to stop him too. Ian is based. Once we make America a monarchy and install him as emperor,

00:21:38.660 people will finally see his brilliance. Ian consistently proves he's the smartest and

00:21:43.400 most intellectually curious member of the IRL team. And time after time, the stagnant thinkers

00:21:47.300 who run the show shut him down and ridicule him despite his overwhelming willingness to explore

00:21:50.960 ideas that may turn out to be wrong. No, we don't. We shut him down when the other day he got asked

00:21:56.900 about doing drugs, opening up a path to the spirit realm. And he's, what do you mean by drug?

00:22:01.120 Because drug means dried herb. And I'm like, Ian, you know what she means. She's trying to convey

00:22:06.300 ideas. You don't need to redefine the word. She's talking about psychedelics, psychotropics,

00:22:10.900 whatever. But Ian is literally here to explore ideas that people don't want.

00:22:16.740 Bro wanted to annex Palestine and make it a state, now wants internment camps impossible

00:22:22.220 to place on a political map. I completely agree. I completely agree, my friends.

00:22:34.520 Look, so long as we actually have agents of China operating in the States, they're buying up land,

00:22:40.200 there's going to be a question of how we track for allegiance. But my friends,

00:22:48.040 Maybe it was easy when the country was 95% white, like back then in the 50s.

00:22:52.820 It's not.

00:22:53.660 It's like 68, 70% now.

00:22:56.120 You're not going to go around and be like, which kind of Asian are you?

00:23:00.060 And a guy's going to be like, I am Laotian.

00:23:02.080 You're not going to walk up to a guy and be like, so are you Chinese or Japanese?

00:23:06.060 I am Laotian.

00:23:07.280 Uh-huh.

00:23:08.260 So is that Chinese or Japanese?

00:23:10.420 It's Laos.

00:23:11.380 You get the reference.

00:23:12.800 It just doesn't make sense.

00:23:14.500 I don't mind the conversation, though.

00:23:16.040 And I'm not going to shut down Ian for asking this question because America has this history.

00:23:20.640 And I also think it's a great opportunity to discuss why it was wrong the U.S. interned the Japanese.

00:23:26.280 It's 120,000 people.

00:23:28.000 It wasn't a large population.

00:23:29.820 Shouldn't have done it.

00:23:31.500 But this is the world we live in.

00:23:34.640 The wars we get are the wars we get.

00:23:36.480 So I'll just say this one last time.

00:23:40.080 It's like no matter what you do in politics, you're wrong, okay?

00:23:44.040 If you're a black dude, you drop an N-bomb, they say, no, that's allowed.

00:23:47.920 But then if you're like a conservative black dude and you do it, they'll be like, well, then they start throwing racial slurs at you.

00:23:52.560 So let me just say it one more time.

00:23:54.700 Don't you be coming up in my house as a mixed-race Asian guy.

00:23:58.540 I'm allowed to have whatever conversation I want, particularly about Asians in the United States, because I think it matters.

00:24:04.480 I'll also stress that I wasn't here, as I said before, but, you know, that's a different point.

00:24:08.520 It's my show.

00:24:09.360 Ian can be here and he can talk about what he wants.

00:24:11.200 Have fun.

00:24:12.380 It's silly, isn't it?

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - August 27, 2026

Asian Democrats CONDEMN Timcast IRL Over Comments About Chinese U.S. War

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