The Culture War - Tim Pool - Assimilation Is No Longer POSSIBLE In Digital Age ft. Nathan Halberstadt

00:00:00.000 You know, digital technology enables modern migrants to, like they're basically hovering

00:00:04.680 in an entirely parallel cultural and economic ecosystem, but it's online, right? So if you

00:00:09.560 think about an immigrant today in America, right, they can basically use their own set of banking

00:00:15.060 apps. They're on WhatsApp. They're in their own sort of set of group chats. They're watching

00:00:19.300 foreign television. In many cases, they don't even learn the language for, you know, for even

00:00:24.340 sometimes a shockingly long period of time. You can meet these people who are 30 years into being

00:00:29.260 in America and they don't speak English, right?

00:00:31.680 You probably saw this doing the rounds yesterday. There was this, I don't even know if we can

00:00:38.140 show the video, but you've probably seen this. Yeah. So I'll pause right there. It's a really

00:00:47.700 gruesome video is these truckers who, you know, evidently entered the country illegally.

00:00:55.340 Um, they got a CDL in Gavin Newsom's, California, and they were in Florida and they just do an

00:01:02.960 illegal U-turn because in India, you can do that. Um, you can't do that in the United States,

00:01:09.220 obviously, because it results in death. And, um, yes, if you've been on roads recently, you have

00:01:15.360 noticed the dip in driving quality from truckers. I think everyone can resonate with this, including

00:01:20.480 American truckers. Um, I've also, I put a tweet out the other day and it's true is I'm noticing

00:01:27.000 an increase in billboards and Hindi for truck stops or advertising Indian food. So it's becoming

00:01:32.160 a huge problem. Um, and Homeland security is all over it. Three innocent people were killed

00:01:36.840 in Florida because Gavin Newsom's California DMV issued an illegal alien, a commercial driver's

00:01:42.020 license. The state of governance is asinine. Sorry about that. How many more innocent people

00:01:50.180 have to die before Gavin Newsom stops playing games with the safety of the American people?

00:01:55.500 We pray for the victims and their families. Secretary Noem and DHS are working around the

00:01:59.600 clock to protect the public and get these criminal illegal aliens out of America. Uh, so yeah,

00:02:07.440 this, this, everything it's at least talk about immigration. You see people on the left and they

00:02:11.280 say, well, I don't care how people come into the country. Why should I care? I mean, you'll care

00:02:15.820 when, when three people that you know and love, you know, or presumably that's how many, yeah,

00:02:21.320 here it says right here, three Americans, you'll know when three people, you know, and love are

00:02:24.960 killed because of the foolish behavior of these illegals here. And especially because they're

00:02:31.080 being done at the hands of Democrats, like Florida's got their basis covered here, right?

00:02:35.440 The alligator Alcatraz, the Florida government is definitely endorsing ISIS operations. Um, it's

00:02:41.300 these states like California pushing back is just leading to Americans dying for no reason. And

00:02:46.580 just absurd, absurd. Um, we don't have to live like this. Um, this was a, this was a interesting

00:02:56.040 study, um, a few years ago, uh, the, from the annual review of political studies talking about

00:03:02.380 diversity and social trust, about how immigration just across the board is leading to a decline in

00:03:08.760 social trust. And I mean, you're seeing it right here with just basic institutions breaking down.

00:03:13.540 And then obviously you have the more broad theme of social trust breaking down, which everyone's

00:03:16.600 aware of. And if you don't, uh, if you don't accept that presupposition, then why do you have your

00:03:22.260 doors locked? And that was not a ubiquitous thing in the United States, not too long ago. Um,

00:03:27.660 it's a fascinating study. Um, and the abstract here is, uh, they have found a, we find a statistically

00:03:36.900 significant native negative relationship between ethnic diversity and social trust across all

00:03:41.900 studies, which obviously immigration just, you know, skyrockets, skyrockets, ethnic diversity,

00:03:48.240 diversity of religion, diversity of thought, everything. It just, it basically dilutes your,

00:03:53.400 your country's culture, et cetera, et cetera. Um, CIS, the center for immigration studies,

00:03:57.920 uh, back this up. They, they, they, they broke down this, um, this study, uh, further. Um,

00:04:06.460 we're kind of running, we've got a little time crunch here, so I can't get into it too deep,

00:04:10.880 but this is a fascinating read. Um, and the social trust, I mean, we're seeing it all across,

00:04:17.100 all across the, every, every metric. This was the viral graph from Nathan who are going to be joined

00:04:22.940 here by shortly. Um, and it was everywhere. The estimated percentage of 30 year olds who are both

00:04:28.560 married and homeowners was over 50%, 1960, and then just plummets, plummets to now where we're

00:04:36.420 at like 8%. I mean, look, I'm not directly correlating this to immigration, but it's so

00:04:42.340 obvious that social trust in the United States and quality of life, broadly speaking, has just

00:04:47.160 cratered, um, cratered in this country. And, um, immigration is a huge part of it. I mean,

00:04:54.400 if you don't know who your neighbors are and where they come from and how they think, I mean,

00:04:58.120 how are we supposed to, how are we supposed to mend this, mend this shattered fabric, social fabric?

00:05:02.680 Uh, you know, Tucker Carlson and Oren McIntyre had a great discussion yesterday discussing this,

00:05:07.180 um, about how we're going to have to define what an American is because as the ice operation ramps

00:05:12.880 up further, that's going to be a very important question to ask. So on things, on topics of social

00:05:19.120 trust, uh, immigration, uh, everything broadly speaking, we're going to bring Nathan Halberstadt

00:05:24.820 in here. We're getting it set up. Uh, hello, Nathan. Can you hear me?

00:05:29.240 Yeah, I can hear you.

00:05:30.100 Dude, what's up? So, uh, thanks for coming on. Can you tell the viewers who you are, what you do?

00:05:35.400 Yeah. My name's Nathan Halberstadt. I work at New Founding. We're a venture firm focused on

00:05:39.360 critical civilizational problems. Uh, for the most part, we're looking at investing in founders who

00:05:45.220 are sort of doge tier, uh, type individuals who are young patriots who are trying to build

00:05:49.640 important things for the future of America. And I'm, I'm super excited to be here. Uh,

00:05:54.580 everybody recently has been, uh, talking about TateCast. Uh, I was listening to the front half

00:05:59.880 of the show and, uh, you know, you didn't just call yourself a Patriot. I guess you called yourself,

00:06:04.100 uh, a former Husky Patriot. So I don't have to lock that one away for the future.

00:06:09.300 Yeah, it's true. I mean, look, God made me love some, he, God loved me so much. He made a little

00:06:14.040 extra of me. That's what my grandmother told me as a child, as a Husky Patriot.

00:06:17.140 That's right. I'm going to deploy that in the future, uh, probably later today with a few

00:06:20.940 people. Let's go. It's all about the soft launch. Yeah, soft launch. Uh, well, I wanted to get into

00:06:25.200 it. Uh, we were discussing the ice situation and also the last few days we've been discussing the

00:06:29.500 DC crackdown pretty extensively. Um, I know you were in El Salvador recently and you had some

00:06:34.840 thoughts on how El Salvador's approach to these sorts of social disorder, um, themes has been,

00:06:41.180 can you maybe break that down now that you're back in the States?

00:06:43.500 Yeah. So I just got back from, from the land of, uh, the philosopher King, uh, King Bukele. And,

00:06:52.740 uh, so I was in San Salvador, which is the, the capital of El Salvador. And, um, you know,

00:06:58.600 this place used to be the crime capital of the world and, and, uh, and just a short, you know,

00:07:03.920 short number of years, uh, it's now incredibly safe. And I was looking at some of the data,

00:07:09.300 data, uh, just before coming on this, coming on this, uh, coming on the show on tape cast. And,

00:07:13.980 um, you know, it's actually quite shocking and you feel it when you're out there. So I was walking

00:07:18.440 around at night, um, about every other block does have an armed soldier on the corner. Now that

00:07:24.400 actually adds to a sense of sort of security in an interesting way, although it is sort of a sign of

00:07:28.940 the sort of the former, the former difficulties of the country, but just comparing it to DC, you know,

00:07:33.780 if you're walking around DuPont circle in DC or around the hill or these areas, just the,

00:07:38.580 the sense that there are just a large number of unsavory characters where like literally anything

00:07:42.800 could happen is, um, is, uh, is, is always present. Uh, El Salvador, everybody was friendly. It was

00:07:48.540 nice. Just walk around, you know, 10 PM midnight. And, you know, El Salvador went from the,

00:07:57.240 the murder and, you know, murder and crime capital of the world to, you know, they have a homicide rate

00:08:05.360 of around two per 100,000 people. Whereas in Washington DC, we're at 27,000 people. Right. So,

00:08:13.560 so, so, so, you know, there, you know, we have more than 10 times the rate of this place that is

00:08:18.520 basically, or was formerly dominated by cartels. And so to me, the interesting story here is that,

00:08:23.840 I mean, I used to live in DC, right. Um,

00:08:26.080 and, and crime was kind of problem. Uh, it still is, you know, I posted a photo on Twitter of,

00:08:32.640 you know, one mile from the white house, $4, $4 toothpaste is, is, is locked up. Um, and people

00:08:38.040 will try to tell you that crime is down, but it's obviously not in a place like DC and, and, you know,

00:08:43.960 most saliently recently, our, our boy, uh, you know, heroic Patriot, big balls was, uh, he was

00:08:50.300 attacked and, you know, he's working with doge. He's helping, helping serve the country. And, uh,

00:08:56.080 he was attacked brutally. Uh, you know, he's at this, a photo of him out in front of,

00:09:00.640 of, uh, an ambulance, just sort of bleeding, you know, bleeding on the street. So,

00:09:04.800 I mean, it's really excellent to see Trump bringing the national guard in. And, and I think really the

00:09:09.520 lesson of El Salvador is that like this stuff works. It can be criminals, the crime, right?

00:09:16.240 It went from significantly higher to one 10th of our crime rate in just a couple of years. Um,

00:09:21.360 I saw a post also just recently from the DC police union. I think they posted this yesterday. Uh,

00:09:26.080 it's like at DC police union. And it shows that in DC, just since the announcement of federal

00:09:31.040 controls, just in the past seven days, robbery down 46%, carjackings down 83% and violent crime

00:09:38.000 down 22%, uh, et cetera, et cetera. So, you know, it just, it just shows if you just, if you just

00:09:43.120 actually enforce the law, you can, you, you can solve a lot of these, um, you know, you can solve

00:09:47.920 a lot of the problems. So, so, uh, you know, I think being in El Salvador, El Salvador is still poor.

00:09:53.680 It still has its issues. Um, it's kind of this interesting mix of, of, you know, sort of native

00:09:59.520 people on the way up and, and sort of like international Bitcoiners and such. I've minded

00:10:07.040 them out there in San Salvador, but, uh, no, I'm pretty optimistic about that. We could learn a few

00:10:11.040 things here in America. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think it's the, the shift that's happening. I mean,

00:10:17.840 Bukele probably had a part to play in it as far as that, you know, demonstrating to the sort of

00:10:22.000 right-wing rising elite that you can wield power in effective ways. But it is refreshing to see

00:10:27.520 that Trump is very aware that of the mechanisms that he has at his disposal and doesn't seem to

00:10:32.720 be afraid to deploy those mechanisms whenever he needs, as we're seeing in DC. Um, but the kind of

00:10:38.160 the bigger issue, I mean, obviously cleaning up our cities is a priority. Um, but you're not going to

00:10:43.360 really solve the root of those issues without addressing the immigration, specifically the illegal

00:10:48.000 immigration problem. Um, and that's where he's really beefed up ice. I mean, that was a priority

00:10:53.120 of the big, beautiful bill was, you know, allocating billions and billions of dollars to, to ice. Um,

00:10:57.760 but I was talking, I mean, I was covering earlier that the, you probably saw it was the trucker in

00:11:01.760 Florida who killed three Americans because he decided to do an India style U-turn in the middle of

00:11:06.160 the highway. Um, I mean, you're the chart master. That's what I dubbed you earlier. What sort of,

00:11:13.280 what sort of ways are you seeing immigration, um, impacting social trust in a more sort of specific

00:11:19.120 way? Yeah, that's, that's, that's the right question. I think, I think we see in the data

00:11:27.920 that, you know, over the past few decades, social trust has been declining and, and to, to be really

00:11:35.040 specific of what we mean by social trust is if there is a stranger, uh, next to you, let's say in

00:11:41.120 your town or city, somebody who's just walking by, you can sort of survey somebody on like,

00:11:45.200 are you likely to trust them or not? Right? So how, how reliable do you expect that person to be

00:11:49.840 who sort of around you in your, in your, in your location? And what we've seen over time is that

00:11:54.560 people's response to that has been, has been declining drastically. So where it used to be the

00:11:58.880 case that somebody, uh, who, you know, you start going by on the street, you could sort of plausibly ask

00:12:04.240 them for help with something or, you know, have some casual conversation in line or whatever else,

00:12:09.040 you know, increasingly people are, are shifting away from that. And there's a lot of theories in

00:12:13.840 terms of what's, what's actually driving this. Um, I think technology is, is something that,

00:12:18.880 that is definitely playing a role. Um, you know, the fact that people are in more friendly or just

00:12:23.280 on their phones more. So, so we, we, we can't, uh, just discount some of those explanations,

00:12:29.280 but, uh, the, the role that migration has played, I think is, is, is, is under discussed. So,

00:12:36.640 uh, you know, the fact of the matter is that when you're surrounded by people who don't share your

00:12:40.560 values or your, your, your life ways, maybe don't even speak the same language as you,

00:12:44.320 you know, you can't really count on them because, you know, you might ask for something or ask them

00:12:48.400 a question and you, it's really quite unpredictable how they'd respond because they could be from,

00:12:53.120 from anywhere sort of believe anything. Again, there's no guarantee they will even be able to

00:12:56.800 understand you. And, you know, in certain, in certain major American cities, you get to a point where,

00:13:01.680 you know, New York, Chicago, et cetera, Boston, you know, 25 to 50% of the population is foreign

00:13:06.800 born, you know, at those sorts of levels, it becomes just the case that you can't really trust

00:13:11.040 anybody around you, no idea where they're from. You don't really know what their agenda is.

00:13:15.120 And to come back to this trucker incident, right? So this is, you know, this was a trucker who came

00:13:20.400 into America, did not have papers, uh, somehow got a commercial driver's license. And I think that

00:13:25.600 that's something that has to be looked at more closely. Um, I saw, I saw at least, uh, some sort

00:13:30.560 of a, a note that the Trump administration administration is looking at, uh, doing paper

00:13:35.360 checks basically, uh, at truck weighing stations. I absolutely support that. But you can sort of

00:13:40.880 imagine a situation where somebody came in from, let's say, let's say India, they came to America

00:13:46.640 and, um, and they learned to drive elsewhere. And all of a sudden they're driving this, this massive

00:13:51.520 piece of metal at 80, 80 miles per hour. And there's just like no telling what they're going to do.

00:13:58.640 You know, you might have a daughter or like a niece or something that she's driving, you know,

00:14:02.720 obeying the laws and, and, uh, the, you know, it's similar to, you know, you can think about

00:14:07.520 like foreign, you know, like foreign, foreign doctors and nurses and things like that. You know,

00:14:12.880 if they're coming to America, we want to do a whole series of sort of, uh, you know, vetting,

00:14:17.040 checking, sort of re-licensing them. You don't want to take a certain, you don't really want to

00:14:20.320 accept a surgery from somebody from some other part of the world. Uh, and you don't really, you know,

00:14:25.520 know what their experience level is. You don't really know where they learned, et cetera, et cetera.

00:14:29.120 Uh, you know, it would be good in America if we sort of made sure that the people who are on the

00:14:32.480 roads and, um, you know, are, are, let's say trained and should actually be on our roads.

00:14:37.760 And, and, and that means removing illegal immigrants from, from our roads for the most part.

00:14:42.320 Um, and that's just one piece of this sort of whole social trust thing, right? It's like,

00:14:45.680 you know, you can't rely on the person next to you on the road now. Right. And that's,

00:14:49.840 that's sort of a scary part, uh, about where all of this is going. Yeah. I mean,

00:14:53.200 there's already enough female drivers. Do we really need these elite? I mean, geez, right now,

00:14:57.680 I'm just kidding. We love females, especially female drivers. But, um, yeah, I mean, that's

00:15:02.400 the thing is I'm sitting there thinking, I'm like, do we really have a shortage of

00:15:06.320 truckers in this country? I mean, I don't recall seeing any headlines or articles. To me,

00:15:10.320 this just seems like an underhanded attempt from these logistics companies to undercut Americans.

00:15:14.320 And we're seeing this all across the board. The, the H1B situation obviously is, um,

00:15:20.080 in desperate need of addressing. Um, I mean, I know you've, you've hit on the H1B visa situation

00:15:25.600 really hard. You're, you're obviously in tech adjacent tech industry. Um, what are you seeing

00:15:31.520 on the H1B front? I mean, are we moving in a, in a good direction on this or, or what?

00:15:39.840 Yeah. I mean, Tate, you raised a really, a really excellent point here, which is, you know,

00:15:43.680 isn't, I mean, we have, let's say in the trucker industry, right? Um, you know, AI is coming,

00:15:49.920 coming right around the bend here. And, and so I think it's a, it's a, it's a national priority to

00:15:55.680 make sure that our existing American truck drivers continue to thrive, right? And whatever that looks

00:16:01.120 like, there's probably some level of protectionism. There's probably some, um, there's a variety of

00:16:05.920 things we can, we can get into, into here, but, but basically autonomous driving is going to

00:16:11.040 seriously cut down the number of, or has the potential to seriously cut down the number of

00:16:15.600 available trucking jobs. If at the same time, we're just giving, giving away the remaining truck,

00:16:21.040 truck jobs to, to whatever they are, whether it's H1Bs or just any sort of sort of foreign labor,

00:16:26.880 you know, that's, that's adding pressure to an already quite difficult situation. So,

00:16:30.720 you know, if we think about the, the H1B situation more broadly, there was a report in Fortune Mag that,

00:16:35.680 and this was about two weeks ago, that 60% of new college grads, um, from the class of 2025.

00:16:41.360 So these are the, the, the guys that take you and I know who are just graduating right now,

00:16:45.280 guys and girls who are, uh, wrapping up their college education, 60% of them are unemployed or

00:16:50.080 under them. And that's great. They just graduated in May. It's now, it's now mid, mid August. And so

00:16:56.480 when you, when you hear these stories about young people who are unhappy, uh, with sort of this,

00:17:00.720 the set of available opportunities, you have to understand that this is like,

00:17:04.160 there is a burning platform here. There's a serious problem. Now it's not all about the H1Bs.

00:17:08.320 It's probably two things. Again, it's AI, uh, you know, increasingly the, you know, chat GPT

00:17:13.600 and other AI tools can do entry level, uh, let's say analyst and associate level work and associate

00:17:18.720 at a law firm, you know, they used to do all the reading through things and now chat GPT can do it.

00:17:22.640 Um, analysts used to, you know, make slide decks, make graphs, et cetera, et cetera. You can kind of

00:17:27.360 just, you can, as more senior person can just prompt that. So there's a little bit of a, of a situation

00:17:32.320 where the ladder's coming up naturally. But I think then that makes people much more sensitive

00:17:37.760 to the fact that when they see the ladder coming up, but the people who are grabbing the ladder

00:17:42.000 are H1Bs. They're not even Americans. That's something that I think, uh, is extremely politically

00:17:47.440 sensitive and it should be, uh, you know, those, those opportunities should be going to Americans.

00:17:52.000 And the economy is shifting in a whole bunch of different ways. And, uh, you know, we need to make

00:17:56.160 sure basically that there are opportunities for young people. It's not just about like handing

00:18:00.240 out jobs left and right that are meaningless. It's like helping them to find things that are

00:18:04.000 meaningful, that they can build a life with and whether it's help, you know, encouraging them to

00:18:07.600 become founders and companies or just joining ice and helping, helping save the homeland or whatever

00:18:13.840 it is, you know, we need to, we need to step in and make sure that there are serious job

00:18:16.560 opportunities where, you know, they can, they can get married, have kids, buy a home. And, uh, if we're

00:18:21.120 failing on that, then we're, then we're, we're failing on everything. Yeah. I mean,

00:18:25.360 you just see all these, these metrics like you're bringing up. Um, you're, you're seeing these

00:18:30.960 headlines coming out of how radical, uh, zoomers. And now we're starting to see gen alpha's politics

00:18:37.200 are how, how distrustful they are of institutions, how distrustful they are of, um, let's just say the

00:18:44.560 establishment, broadly speaking, it's tough to see a situation in which you don't get a violent,

00:18:50.720 maybe not violent, but a, uh, a visceral reaction from, from the younger generations. Um,

00:18:58.240 I mean, I, I would assume that getting out of this and giving zoomers opportunity is just a matter of

00:19:03.200 national security at this point. I mean, if you consider the palpable anger that you're seeing,

00:19:08.400 um, from that generation or this generation, our generation, um, I mean, it's, it's, it just feels

00:19:14.400 like a ticking time bomb, really. I mean, I don't know if you're seeing this on your end.

00:19:17.840 Yeah. And I think there's, there's just enough specific examples floating around that

00:19:25.280 gen alpha and gen Z have access to. Um, you know, there was, there was an example about a month back

00:19:31.840 and, uh, there was this gentleman, uh, his name was, uh, Soham Parekh and he was, you know, he's from India.

00:19:40.800 Um, he, he essentially, um, was in some sort of a debt problem, a debt situation. Uh, he said that

00:19:49.200 he was in some sort of, uh, in sort of, in some sort of a bind basically. And he came to America,

00:19:54.560 um, and, and he got, he was rotating up to six jobs at a time, sort of engineer jobs at Y Combinator

00:20:02.080 tier startups. So these are, these are excellent. So think about like an Uber and it's earlier stages

00:20:06.640 or something like this, right? So he was rotating through around six of them at a time, getting

00:20:10.640 fired though. And then when, as soon as he got fired, you just get another one. Uh, cause he

00:20:14.560 wasn't doing a good job. It's quite difficult to do a good job across this, but basically he was

00:20:18.800 harvesting, you know, six, probably what, 200 K a year salaries at a time. So he was clearing over a

00:20:24.080 million a year, but, but not delivering any value and taking jobs from young Americans. Like my friends

00:20:29.440 were actually applying for those jobs. They were trying to get engineer jobs in, in those Y Combinator

00:20:33.280 companies. And actually a lot of them didn't get those jobs. Right. And so that's, that's where

00:20:37.360 this gets a little bit more interesting. Right. And so he w he was invited on TVPN to do an interview.

00:20:44.080 And, and then during that interview, again, he said like, you know, I did this because of some debt

00:20:48.160 or duress and then, but then he has certainty sort of rapidly pivots and says, but I don't care about

00:20:52.880 the money. I just want to build. Right. And that's like, that's such an obvious lie. Like any, any Gen Z

00:20:58.160 or general person just looks at that and goes like, okay, here's a foreign grifter who's abusing our labor

00:21:02.720 market. And, and, and like, notably he's in the visa process to come here to the United States

00:21:08.480 permanently. Right. Um, so, so like, like, you know, I, I think I'm a pretty, I'm a moderate guy.

00:21:14.240 Like I'm not, I'm not, I'm an American. Uh, I want there to be, I want there to be jobs and

00:21:18.640 opportunities and things for like, for, you know, like my siblings and my friends and, you know,

00:21:22.080 my kids and grandkids. And like, you know, we can't, we can't have that. And also have, you know,

00:21:28.240 hundreds of thousands of Sohempirex sort of swimming around doing, doing this sort of stuff.

00:21:32.080 And, and those stories are just so available to us now, right? They were probably not as

00:21:35.440 available. Like, was CNN covering this sort of stuff? Would it have even gotten coverage

00:21:38.720 pre-social media? Probably not. So, so, you know, again, I'm like, personally against him,

00:21:44.240 you know, somebody like this means grifting off of our labor market, you know, it'd be an interesting

00:21:48.080 question. That was about a month back. Like, what is he still in the visa process? Um, you know,

00:21:52.560 is he, is he, is he in America right now? Like, should he be in America right now? Uh,

00:21:56.720 those are, I think, very, very, you know, rational questions to ask. And I think if you,

00:22:01.120 if you care at all about, about the next generation of Americans, um, you know, you know,

00:22:05.680 you need to hold a harder line on these issues, especially given what we're going to be going

00:22:10.080 through with AI. Yeah. I mean, well, it, I mean, it really just begs the question of like,

00:22:14.880 if I'm an American citizen, what is the point of being an American citizen if I'm having to compete

00:22:19.760 with the entire world for domestic, um, you know, domestic resources like housing and jobs and,

00:22:27.120 and whatnot. Um, I mean, you're seeing in the UK, this problem on steroids, where there's article

00:22:34.480 after article there, where they're like, we have to build 4 million houses, or we're going to have

00:22:38.080 like a homelessness crisis. And then they're also simultaneously allowing millions of migrants

00:22:42.480 in a year who the majority, vast, vast majority of them, um, are not providing an upgrade in any

00:22:49.120 department. And oftentimes they end up on social housing. Um, obviously the situation is a bit

00:22:55.360 different in America because we don't have, you know, super extensive social programs here,

00:23:00.480 but we do, the ones that we do have, we are starting to see, maybe not starting, we've been seeing,

00:23:05.920 um, yeah, migrants coming in and just immediately, uh, utilizing these, these resources. I mean,

00:23:12.800 Minnesota is a great example. Um, that's a rabbit hole that I would encourage Tim Guest viewers to go

00:23:17.440 down specifically relating to their elected officials. Um, I mean, I mean, without mass

00:23:25.040 deportations, I mean, where are we going to be? Is the UK really our future?

00:23:30.080 Well, hopefully not. Hopefully not. I mean, at least in, in London and some of these other cities,

00:23:34.480 it's, it's getting quite ugly. Um, you know, the United Kingdom, one of the problems that they face

00:23:40.160 is basically that they're there, that the right in the United Kingdom is less serious. I mean,

00:23:44.560 the Tories are fundamentally unserious, I would say. Um, and, and beyond that as well, they,

00:23:49.840 you know, any sort of opposition to mass migration is crushed. Uh, they're, they don't have the same

00:23:54.720 level of free speech. So those are two things that really, I think, hold them back. You know,

00:23:58.560 so I think we're, we should be very thankful here in America that we have free speech. And I would say

00:24:02.640 MAGA, MAGA is a serious right wing party. Um, you know, I'm sure there are ways that it could always

00:24:07.840 be improved, but I think there's a lot to be grateful for here. And I think we're making forward

00:24:11.520 progress. Um, in terms of just more broadly, like where, where does all of this go for Americans?

00:24:18.400 And, um, and, and like, how should, how should, you know, average, let's say, you know, investors,

00:24:23.760 business owners, even, even young people will be thinking about like the political,

00:24:27.200 cultural sort of macro situation. You know, this is, this guides a lot of our investing,

00:24:31.920 I would say in, in startups is, I think that the sort of, the sort of challenges that Gen Z and Gen

00:24:37.120 Alpha are facing, um, in combination with everything else going on in the world, um,

00:24:41.680 lead us to think that this will be, you know, an era of greater instability, sort of greater

00:24:46.320 political radicalism, of course. Right. Um, deglobalization is, is another theme that we

00:24:50.880 think a lot about. Right. So in a world where people are more conscious of some, of people like

00:24:56.160 Soren Parekh, who we just talked about and more opposed to it, you know, expect, expecting more

00:25:00.960 tariffs to go up, expecting more focus on, on sort of domestic labor. And, um, and, and, and really

00:25:08.080 what a lot of that should hopefully do is actually begin to solve the social trust problem. And like

00:25:12.560 a society cannot survive if the, if the social trust gets low enough, if you can't count on anybody,

00:25:18.240 then, then you're like not a society anymore. You're just a bunch of individual people,

00:25:21.920 maybe families, maybe groups of friends. Um, and so, and so we think a lot about sort of

00:25:27.280 repositioning for that, for that sort of new economic and social paradigm.

00:25:32.080 And so I think for business owners and such, it's thinking about how you actually get ahead

00:25:35.120 of this, right? There are, there are probably interesting regulations and policy shifts,

00:25:38.800 just like the tariffs going in place that, but beyond the tariffs, it's not just going to be

00:25:42.320 that there's more coming. Uh, and, and then the other thing that I would mention just for,

00:25:46.240 for people in general is, um, you know, as you think about like AI slop on the internet and just

00:25:52.240 like the effects of AI across the board, you know, AI is going to replace a lot of,

00:25:56.560 it's very likely to replace a lot of types of work that in some ways we rely on either like

00:26:00.400 foreign labor for, um, and, and it should transfer a lot of value to like very capable young, young

00:26:06.640 Americans if they are high agency enough and they leverage AI effectively. Um, but AI, like AI slop on

00:26:13.680 the internet, I anticipate continuing to be a problem. Like you can imagine a world where,

00:26:17.520 you know, we're messaging back and forth about coming on the show today and I, I message you

00:26:22.640 and you have some AI agent that actually just replies to me and we like, we sort of get booked

00:26:26.560 to go on this, to go on the show together. Um, but maybe neither of us even saw the message.

00:26:32.160 It was just our AI agents sort of replying to each other. Now, of course there are sort of solutions

00:26:36.000 to this and such, but then you open your Twitter feed and it's like the people liking my posts aren't

00:26:39.920 real. The people, but the posts are generated, et cetera, et cetera. It's like, what, what does that world

00:26:44.640 look like in, in my view? In my view, that forces a lot of people back to the in-person and in real and

00:26:49.920 physical world. And, and that's where like in-person networks, you know, the firm handshake, the people

00:26:55.520 at your church, uh, the people who live right next to you, uh, begins to matter a lot more because the

00:27:01.440 digital ecosystem becomes less reliable. It's like, think about how your inbox is just like so flooded

00:27:06.480 with spam. It's like, I imagine a world where that's just like, that's just like everything on the internet.

00:27:10.960 It's just, it's just increasingly, increasingly sort of a proliferation of AI slop across,

00:27:15.600 across everything on your phone. Um, there'll be an arms race between that and the filters of course,

00:27:20.400 but, but, uh, that's, that's sort of some of the way that I think about like what's coming,

00:27:24.720 uh, for Americans in the years ahead. Yeah. I mean, well, we had Nate Fisher on and he,

00:27:31.040 he had an interesting idea that it makes a lot of sense and it seems to be borne out so far

00:27:36.400 is that, um, increased utilization of AI in, you know, in the labor force could actually,

00:27:43.600 you know, free up, um, or, or eliminate a lot of these laptop jobs or a lot of these fake jobs.

00:27:48.800 And it could actually sort of force Americans to return to a more, um, classically American,

00:27:54.880 uh, way of, of living and structuring their families and these sorts of things, as in,

00:27:59.680 it could free up, uh, free up, you know, resources for these companies where they can allocate more,

00:28:05.280 uh, more to wages and it could, we could potentially return to people being able to

00:28:09.120 support a family on a single income, uh, which is, I mean, really exciting stuff, but this obviously

00:28:15.120 also requires restriction on immigration because if you don't have that, then you're just gonna have

00:28:19.920 a much larger labor labor market and then it'll just be a, I mean, disaster. Uh, but I,

00:28:25.840 yeah, yeah. There are a lot of reasons. Yeah. There are a lot of reasons to be optimistic. I,

00:28:29.600 I share, I share Nate Fisher's perspective on this. Um, I think, I think you're right to add

00:28:34.240 the layer that, that, that deportations and, and, um, this is, this is critical to this, actually this,

00:28:40.800 this shift sort of going well for us as Americans. And I've, I've written about something that I call

00:28:45.440 digital enclaves. And the idea just to sort of describe it briefly is that, you know, digital

00:28:51.440 technology enables modern migrants to, they're basically hovering in an entirely parallel cultural

00:28:57.120 and economic ecosystem, but it's online. Right. So if you think about, uh, uh, an immigrant today

00:29:02.800 in America, right, they can basically use their own set of banking apps. They're on WhatsApp. They're

00:29:07.120 in their own sort of set of group chats. Yeah. They're watching foreign television. In many cases,

00:29:12.000 they don't even learn, learn the language for, you know, for even it's sometimes like a shockingly

00:29:16.720 long period of time. You can meet these people who are 30 years into being in America and they don't

00:29:20.720 speak English. Right. And that's interesting to me, right. It's there's, there's from a theory

00:29:25.520 perspective, right. There's been a notable shift where, you know, if you left like Stockholm in

00:29:31.040 1800 or 1850 and came to America, like it was, everything was severed. Right. You came to America,

00:29:35.920 you weren't American. Now you assimilated, you learned, you learned English quickly. And, and, and

00:29:41.120 if you were, you were a part of this project fully and in every sense, you know, the number of these more

00:29:47.120 recent migrants who are like one toe in, right. Uh, is, is, is, is shocking. And, and I'm not actually

00:29:54.480 convinced that like assimilation in the same sense is even possible. Right. So I'd say, right. And

00:29:59.840 assimilation for this river, you know, whatever Dutch lad on a boat in 1840 versus the person who, who,

00:30:05.760 who, you know, came in on an H1B, um, to do some tech job, make some money and then send the money back

00:30:11.600 to India or wherever else it'd be China, Korea. Um, and you say the same thing also for the people just

00:30:16.240 wandering across the border from central, central and South America. Right. Um, it's not clear to

00:30:20.800 me that actual assimilation in the digital era is even possible. Right. I think we'll see. Yeah. I would

00:30:25.360 actually encourage people to study this. Like, like is assimilation even happening broadly? Like last

00:30:29.760 time I was in New York city, my, uh, just based on my read of the situation, like, I, I don't, I didn't

00:30:35.200 see it happening actually. That's just my honest assessment. Like these, most people did not seem like

00:30:39.760 Americans there. Um, yeah. And so, um, you know, I think we should support, uh, you know, that this

00:30:46.400 is basically an extremely relevant question as we return to the, as you know, if, if the digital,

00:30:51.200 if the digital space becomes a little bit more, uh, let's say AI slot focused and we're, we're forced

00:30:56.640 now into more in-person type interactions. And this is the way that we sort of move forward because it

00:31:01.600 matters to your neighbors are, and it matters that they speak the same language as you, uh, even, you know,

00:31:06.640 as today, you know, maybe your neighbor doesn't even speak English. Yeah, absolutely. I mean,

00:31:10.960 the fact that I even have strong opinions on which style of Latin American cuisine is the best

00:31:16.080 is an indication that assimilation is completely broken down. Cause why, why should I even know

00:31:19.760 that? Which style, which style is the best? Which style is the best? Dude, I gotta say, like,

00:31:23.680 I've been, I've, I've been big on the Colombian recently. I don't know what it is. You know,

00:31:27.040 maybe it's cause the world cup's coming up that gets you fired up. Uh, are you pandering?

00:31:30.320 Are you pandering to the, to the Colombians? Maybe I am. Maybe I am. I don't know. It could be,

00:31:35.520 but, um, well, I mean, that's, that's fascinating and that's going to send me down a rabbit hole this

00:31:40.320 afternoon. But, um, one more thing I wanted to ask you about, um, you know, there previously

00:31:44.880 been this discourse. I put a tweet out about how the local, if you look in your local Facebook

00:31:50.240 marketplace in your region, you will see that the used truck market, the value of those trucks

00:31:55.040 has crashed. Um, and I suspect it's because the ice raids have freed up the supply of used trucks.

00:32:01.360 What other benefits do you think mass deportations will have for Americans that are like tangible,

00:32:05.840 little tangible stuff like that little treats? But so, so actually you, you put me onto this.

00:32:10.080 So I was looking on Facebook marketplace and, and it was, it was true. Like there were all of these

00:32:14.560 sort of, uh, you know, let's say decade old trucks, uh, selling for incredibly cheap prices.

00:32:20.480 Um, so, so yeah, so there are a variety of different potential benefits. I mean,

00:32:24.720 one of the most obvious ones is just going to be housing. Um, healthcare is probably the other one,

00:32:29.200 you know, emergency rooms. I'm really good. I'm good friends with a, with a doctor out here

00:32:33.200 currently. And, and, um, and you know, if you talk with an ER doctor about what percent of patients

00:32:39.440 who come in through the emergency room are, are basically illegal migrants who are using

00:32:44.720 that as their primary mechanism of just getting healthcare. So it might not actually be a true

00:32:48.960 emergency. A lot of times it's sort of like this middle ground where it's like they're ill.

00:32:52.480 Right. And so, you know, you do want to care, care about people and we do want to care for them.

00:32:56.000 And I'm, I am glad that they're getting treatment, but like, this is not good for our, you know,

00:33:01.760 if you're, if your grandmother, uh, falls, uh, and you need her to get care in the emergency room

00:33:06.880 right away, it's not good that there's a line of, of illegal immigrants there, uh, in the emergency

00:33:11.760 room sort of clogging up what is supposed to be, uh, like it's supposed to be an institution for

00:33:16.400 Americans, uh, in an emergency and somehow it's become an institution for illegals who are feeling

00:33:21.840 a little ill. So, so maybe, maybe hospitals are one. And then yes, as we, you know, as deportations

00:33:26.720 accelerate, um, there should be, you know, regions of America, especially more urban regions that

00:33:31.760 where housing becomes available and especially where, uh, it becomes more secure to, they're safe

00:33:37.200 to live. So, you know, there are large, there are large sections of sort of urban and suburban

00:33:41.760 neighborhoods in America where a lot of people, a lot of families don't feel safe necessarily

00:33:46.080 living there. They wouldn't always describe it that way. Like they'll want to live somewhere

00:33:48.960 like a little bit nicer or whatever. But, um, you know, a lot of that has to do with just, uh,

00:33:53.440 you know, migrant crime and things like that. And, and once the migrants are gone, um, you know,

00:33:57.360 young families can move in, taken, taken by the home and with the, with the wife and kids.

00:34:03.200 And, and, uh, I think that these are, these are serious, um, these are serious benefits. Maybe

00:34:08.560 maybe one last one that I'll mention is also on the education front. Um, you know, look up what some

00:34:13.360 of the public schools and major American cities are dealing with in terms of like the number of

00:34:17.440 languages. Right. It's like, there are teachers who are trying to teach 150 different languages

00:34:22.000 in the same school. Um, it's just like, not, not achievable. Then you go up to college, right.

00:34:27.040 Uh, Harvard university is 28%, uh, 28% non non citizen students. Right. And I like to,

00:34:33.600 I would like to say that, like, those are spots that should have gone to, uh, should have gone, you know,

00:34:37.840 I hope that in the future, those go to like our, our kids and grandkids and things like that. But

00:34:41.680 you know, that, that should have gone to more JD Vance type figures and not, and not sort of

00:34:45.760 foreigners. And so there's a number of ways in which our institutions are basically being

00:34:50.160 drifted upon by, by bad actors who kind of have one toe in the system. And, um, you know, I think if

00:34:56.240 we, by removing them, we actually unlock, uh, uh, quite a lot for young people in America and, uh, it's a,

00:35:02.640 it's a, it's a, you know, it's going to be a hard thing to deport them, but, uh, on the back end of

00:35:07.520 it, I expect a golden age. I love it. Well, sadly we're out of time. I think this requires like two,

00:35:13.120 three hours to really delve. Cause we just had to just hit one, one, one. There's so many different

00:35:16.720 ways we could have gone, but dude, thank you for joining me. Uh, where can people find you to get

00:35:20.560 some more? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Thanks for having me on Tate. So I'm on Twitter, Nathan Halberstadt.

00:35:25.840 Um, I'll spell my last name. It's H A L B E R S T A D T. And then, uh, I'm at newfounding. So we're on

00:35:32.080 Twitter, uh, just go at newfounding. Uh, we're also, we have a website, newfounding.com. Again,

00:35:36.960 we're, we're a venture firm focused on critical civilizational problems. I'd say if you're a

00:35:41.520 founder, uh, feel free to reach out. You can just DM me on Twitter or DM the new founding at, uh,

00:35:46.000 handle. Uh, and if you're interested in investing too, we run a, a venture rolling fund, um, and always

00:35:52.160 happy to sort of bring patriots on board, whether, uh, whether just to join our network or to become

00:35:56.960 a founder that we back, uh, or if you want to put dollars behind the projects, uh, excited to talk

00:36:01.600 to those sorts of people as well, dude. Well, I love it. Thanks for coming on, man. We'll catch

00:36:04.960 you next time. Of course. Thanks, Tate. All righty. Well, that was the Nathan Halberstadt,

00:36:11.520 the chart master, I would say that's a well-earned name. Um, high IQ Patriot, as I like to, uh,

00:36:18.880 dub that sphere. Uh, they're all great guys. Um, so yeah, that will wrap up our noon live show.

00:36:25.840 We will be back tonight for Tim cast IRL at 8 PM. Uh, hopefully Tim, Tim was saying he should

00:36:31.360 be back for it. So hopefully he'll be back. Um, we got Kevin Sorbo and Gavin McInnes,

00:36:36.080 I believe has the guests. So this is going to be a monster show. Um, yeah, thanks for tuning in.

00:36:41.440 You can find me on X and Instagram at real tape Brown. Uh, like I said, we'll be back tonight

00:36:47.040 and we will see you there. Have a good rest of your day. Bye-bye.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - August 19, 2025

Assimilation Is No Longer POSSIBLE In Digital Age ft. Nathan Halberstadt

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