The Culture War - Tim Pool - 🚨Charlie Kirk Suspect Captured, Antifa Confirmed w⧸ Dr. Josef, Laura Delano, Alex Stein

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Culture War podcast.

00:00:05.400 I'm your host, Tim Poole.

00:00:06.260 We have breaking news as we start the show.

00:00:08.560 A press conference just concluded.

00:00:11.020 The governor of Utah, as well as the FBI and the sheriff, they have stated the man who

00:00:17.020 killed Charlie Kirk has been captured.

00:00:19.240 They explained in detail the engravings on the bullet casings, which based on how this

00:00:26.480 individual was turned in, that is, he was turned in by a family member, they explained

00:00:31.260 that the family members personally had a conversation with the suspect, stating that Charlie Kirk

00:00:38.160 had spread hate speech or hateful rhetoric.

00:00:41.000 The bullet casings expressed furry memes, furry culture memes, it appears, as well as anti-fascist

00:00:48.180 ideology, notably saying, hey, fascist catch, as well as hey, Bella Ciao, which is a song

00:00:53.780 that was sung by Italian resistance fighting Nazis and fascists.

00:00:58.360 So it seems to be that this is, at least for now, based on the assessment by law enforcement,

00:01:03.940 a left-aligned individual who assassinated Charlie Kirk.

00:01:07.160 He has been captured.

00:01:08.720 There will be breaking news that is still coming out throughout the day, so we'll be tracking

00:01:11.660 that.

00:01:11.960 Normally, we just kind of have the general conversation.

00:01:13.600 But we will be discussing for this show the underlying cause of the mental illness in this

00:01:19.820 country, illness in general, what's plaguing us, but the political violence.

00:01:25.040 And considering the response we've seen from the corporate press, as well as many prominent

00:01:29.720 left-aligned and liberal individuals, which are either claiming both sidesism, glorifying

00:01:34.500 the death of Charlie Kirk.

00:01:35.880 I'm certainly, I have a lot of strong statements to make.

00:01:38.720 And I'll start simply by saying, because it's personal and I want to say it, the amount of

00:01:42.860 security that I have and other personalities in a similar space is incomparable to the amount

00:01:50.600 of freedom and lack of security that our counterparts on the left have.

00:01:53.800 That is, we spend millions, we have security perimeters, active armed guards, we face threats

00:02:00.680 on a daily basis or more.

00:02:02.020 I understand many on the left do as well.

00:02:03.760 But I can just tell you, based on the events we hold versus the events we see on the left,

00:02:10.080 the amount of security we have is substantially higher.

00:02:13.680 I'm not going to explain in detail the security details of my friends and other commentators,

00:02:18.620 but let me just start by saying the conversations with liberals and the shows that I know don't

00:02:26.060 have 24-7 armed guards surrounding their homes for the most part, even among lesser known

00:02:31.040 personalities on the right.

00:02:33.420 There are people on the right who are not as famous as Charlie and others who have to live

00:02:37.920 under 24-7 armed guard and surveillance because of the threats that we face.

00:02:43.180 We here at Timcast were swatted 15 times in one year.

00:02:46.400 The bomb squad was deployed twice.

00:02:48.300 Our studio had been evacuated mid-show.

00:02:51.700 A man in a dress showed up to our property, for which it's an old property, we're no longer

00:02:55.400 there, and attacked one of the residents as they were lurking around the property filming.

00:03:00.300 There are many other security breaches that we've had that I do not discuss because I don't

00:03:04.100 want to explain how these people have breached our security, but let's just say it's resulted

00:03:07.600 in prosecutions, law enforcement intervention, and it is a common occurrence for us.

00:03:13.220 Considering what just happened to Charlie, we're all taking everything very, very seriously,

00:03:16.840 but I am, of course, personally curious to understand where we are headed in this country,

00:03:22.660 what is the underlying cause?

00:03:23.860 And I personally just will not tolerate this both sides-ism.

00:03:29.060 A poll was released yesterday by political polls, YouGovData, showing that 77% of Republicans

00:03:34.200 believe it is always unacceptable to gloat over the death of someone they oppose, while only

00:03:38.300 30% of Democrats share that view.

00:03:40.640 In total, about 70% of Democrats believe it may be, in certain circumstances, unacceptable

00:03:48.520 to gloat over the death of your opponents.

00:03:50.320 About 90% of Republicans say, in some circumstances, it is unacceptable, with 77% saying it is always

00:03:56.540 unacceptable.

00:03:57.520 So when they go on TV and say, like Chris Cuomo did, he said to Benny Johnson of Charlie

00:04:03.440 Kirk, you guys are not victims, you give as good as you get.

00:04:07.580 It is disgusting, and I won't stand for it, but forgive me for ranting as we launch the show.

00:04:13.120 We have a big panel today, and I'll just let you guys introduce yourselves.

00:04:16.940 Dr. Joseph, you want to start first?

00:04:18.020 Yeah, sure.

00:04:18.740 So briefly, I would just say, I'm kind of like America's anti-psychiatrist.

00:04:23.880 I have very critical views about medications.

00:04:25.820 I talk about the interface of psychiatric drugs and violence.

00:04:29.820 I also talk about the massive over-prescribing epidemic going on in the country right now,

00:04:36.140 the complete insanity about how we diagnose everyone with brain illnesses when they're

00:04:42.600 actually dealing with real problems.

00:04:44.320 And so that is my stick, and when I'm not doing that, I'm helping people come off psychiatric

00:04:49.060 meds.

00:04:50.020 Right on.

00:04:50.560 My name is Laura Delano, and I am a former psychiatric patient.

00:04:56.360 I grew up, spent the most formative years of my life, and I'm deeply invested in this

00:05:01.520 idea that I had all these diagnoses and needed all these medications for life, and that my

00:05:06.280 purpose in life was to go to therapy and refill my prescriptions.

00:05:10.000 And the more I internalized this way of understanding myself, the more my life fell apart.

00:05:17.340 And I wrote a book about it called Unshrunk that I highly recommend.

00:05:23.120 And yeah, and like Yosef, a lot of my work is about helping people who've realized the

00:05:27.860 mental health industry is not actually helping them, and they want to kind of take their lives

00:05:33.540 back from meds and from kind of professional patient identity.

00:05:38.120 And Libby is here.

00:05:39.740 I'm Libby Emmons.

00:05:40.400 I'm here.

00:05:40.820 I'm actually really glad to talk about this with you guys.

00:05:43.800 I have a son who's 15, and this has been something that's come up over the years with

00:05:49.620 different educators and everything, and so I'm really interested to hear your insights.

00:05:53.860 Yeah, it's very prescient that you're here also.

00:05:56.020 I've been inundated with this guy, Chase Hughes.

00:05:58.420 He's a psychologist and says, like, the PSYOP is left versus right.

00:06:02.760 They want you to think of other.

00:06:04.340 They want you to other people.

00:06:05.400 And I think a lot of it is just people broken and distanced because of over-medication.

00:06:09.840 I mean, I do.

00:06:10.520 But anyway, we'll talk about it later.

00:06:11.700 We also have the man, the myth, the legend.

00:06:13.920 I don't know about that.

00:06:16.360 The real legend of Charlie Kirk that we lost.

00:06:19.040 Today's going to be an emotional day.

00:06:21.720 It's a very sad, tough conversation to talk about losing such an important person like Charlie.

00:06:25.560 So I'm excited to talk to you guys about this.

00:06:28.660 But I know that obviously we do have a mental health issue because it's just the over-prescription

00:06:38.440 of drugs, and you see the correlation with shootings like this.

00:06:41.180 It's just so prevalent, and then the media doesn't talk about it.

00:06:43.720 But I don't know in Charlie's instance, and I don't want to get into the conspiracies of

00:06:47.580 it.

00:06:47.900 A suspect.

00:06:48.800 Sorry.

00:06:49.740 Just a bad day.

00:06:50.840 Very bad day, Tim.

00:06:51.980 So thank you for having me.

00:06:53.440 Yeah, I want to start by just giving people the quick update for those that are tuning

00:06:58.080 in.

00:06:58.240 Normally, as I mentioned, this is typically just a conversational debate podcast on topics,

00:07:02.520 not so much news related.

00:07:03.500 But I want to get started by showing this breaking news report.

00:07:07.180 They've revealed the language that is on the bullets, the engravings.

00:07:12.780 One reading, hey, fascist catch.

00:07:16.300 One reading, oh, Bella Chow.

00:07:18.560 One reading, if you read this, you are gay.

00:07:20.760 Now, interestingly, and this is very interesting, this is CBN, did not include the other engraving,

00:07:27.400 which said, notices bulge, O-W-O, what's this?

00:07:34.520 And so I want to make sure I can pull that up.

00:07:36.660 And the reason I, and this phrase is going viral.

00:07:40.280 The reason I think people are not mentioning this is because, let me see if I can, know

00:07:49.580 your meme, I think has the news.

00:07:52.920 I think CBN and other outlets don't know what this means.

00:07:56.500 So when they heard that, they thought it was random nonsense.

00:07:59.720 Know your meme says, notices bulge, O-W-O, what's this?

00:08:02.640 This is the original meme referenced by Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's alleged shooter.

00:08:07.840 And it's furry, it's furry porn reference.

00:08:13.200 And that's, that's it, right?

00:08:15.320 So we have Urban Dictionary.

00:08:16.880 And it says, quote, snuggles and pounces on you and notices bulge.

00:08:21.140 O-Woo, what's this?

00:08:23.340 And we also have the reference to Bella Chow.

00:08:26.460 Hey, fascist catch is particularly obvious what that means.

00:08:30.860 So this individual apparently was at home having dinner with family.

00:08:35.020 The family was expressing disdain for Charlie and the things he had been saying.

00:08:38.980 And that, as well as the inscriptions, the opinions expressed by the individual,

00:08:45.500 I think it is beyond a reasonable doubt, at least according to the evidence presented,

00:08:48.280 this individual was Antifa aligned, leftist aligned, and targeted Charlie for his politics.

00:08:54.400 Now we're hearing a lot from the media, from these personalities.

00:08:59.540 Chris Cuomo had a viral clip where he said, you are not, I do not see you as victims.

00:09:03.080 You give as good as you get.

00:09:04.060 That's his quote.

00:09:05.160 I believe he apologized.

00:09:07.080 Political polls says, YouGovData, 77% of Republicans believe it is always unacceptable

00:09:12.400 to feel joy at the death of someone they oppose, while only 38% of Democrats share this view.

00:09:17.680 33% of Democrats think it's usually unacceptable, whereas only 12% of Republicans.

00:09:22.880 That is, the majority of Republicans say it's never acceptable, it's always unacceptable.

00:09:29.220 And among those on the democratically aligned, who believe it's either always or sometimes

00:09:34.940 acceptable, 11% compared to Republicans, 6%, and 4% of Democrats believe it is always acceptable

00:09:42.120 to gloat over the death of a public figure they oppose, while Republicans are at 2%.

00:09:45.760 I'm curious what you guys think about the state of political violence.

00:09:50.360 Obviously, I've made my point several times already that it is clearly lopsided.

00:09:55.380 The left is either substantially more willing to engage in the rhetoric.

00:09:58.720 They're doing it now.

00:09:59.540 They're gloating over Charlie's death.

00:10:00.960 And I'm going to stress this.

00:10:02.320 Even with the opinions people have expressed about George Floyd on the right, when George

00:10:06.080 Floyd was died, every conservative, even Ben Shapiro, was saying, This is bad.

00:10:10.540 It was wrong.

00:10:11.600 When Charlie dies, they post memes saying he got what he deserved.

00:10:14.800 Or they're selling t-shirts, and they're saying, Debate this.

00:10:18.020 I was sad about Floyd.

00:10:19.080 I mean, the whole thing was tragic.

00:10:20.300 He was in the front seat on, I think he was high with kids in the back seat, and he was

00:10:23.880 in the driver's seat.

00:10:24.620 That was terrible, terrifying on every level.

00:10:26.220 But I'm thinking about Muammar Gaddafi and the way they gloated over his death because

00:10:30.140 of the way he treated them.

00:10:31.660 And in war, you're kind of glad when the enemy's gone, and maybe the soldiers don't gloat.

00:10:37.400 I would have to ask people that have actually killed for a living, or that do this like

00:10:41.680 this is like their thing.

00:10:42.860 I think there's no joy in what you do.

00:10:44.900 It's just it has to be done.

00:10:46.360 But there's also like a relief that comes when the enemy is no longer because you're

00:10:49.700 no longer threatened.

00:10:50.320 You feel no longer threatened.

00:10:52.140 And I just don't think that this domestic situation calls for that.

00:10:55.520 We're not at war with ourselves right now, and there's no reason to create that energy.

00:10:58.940 I mean, we've been hearing messages from left-leaning media for a long time that if you have certain

00:11:06.440 opinions that are not the usual kind of woke talking points, you're a fascist, and you're

00:11:14.320 dangerous, and you should be silenced.

00:11:17.140 And I think if you keep on hearing that stuff, after a while, you feel emboldened to act on

00:11:21.900 it, and you feel like you're actually doing something good when you're really doing something

00:11:26.240 horrific.

00:11:26.680 Have you noticed any correlation in your career with giving people psychiatric medication that

00:11:34.640 they will do, or that someone that's medicated will tend towards like a disassociative lash

00:11:41.180 out of some sort?

00:11:43.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:43.760 And so all of these medications, and I know this is covered up in a big way, all of these

00:11:49.620 medications have the ability to make people violent.

00:11:53.180 And this is not even hidden.

00:11:54.840 This is already in the drug labels.

00:11:56.720 I mean, we're not talking about common side effects.

00:11:58.860 We're talking about rare things that happen.

00:12:00.800 And the analogy that I usually use is you could have like 10 people smoking cannabis.

00:12:04.980 One person becomes paranoid.

00:12:06.820 The rest of them are giggling and laughing.

00:12:10.880 And so you can have these unexpected reactions to things.

00:12:14.000 And when you have like 15% plus of the population taking SSRIs, you know, over 20% taking psychiatric

00:12:23.980 medications, which are already known to cause violence in the FDA labels, you're going to

00:12:29.680 get these one in a million cases that happen where you have people, you know, they'll engage,

00:12:36.200 you know, they'll kill people, homicides will happen, suicides will happen.

00:12:41.040 And it's completely covered up.

00:12:43.160 The media does this out of a place of, it's like almost compassion, but it's kind of twisted

00:12:49.400 because we need to be talking about these things.

00:12:51.920 They say, you can't talk about the link between violence and psychiatric meds because you're

00:12:56.040 going to scare people away from life-saving medications.

00:12:58.640 Right.

00:12:59.260 But there's a big concern with that, which is, I mean, I've, I've watched these drug

00:13:02.800 ads and at the end they say may cause anything from diarrhea to suicide.

00:13:07.480 And personally, I don't want to take a drug that does either of those things.

00:13:10.640 Yeah.

00:13:11.080 And the, the insane thing is, especially when we're looking at the population who is below

00:13:15.800 25, who are the most likely to have side effects, you look at the clinical trials, there

00:13:21.420 is a higher rate of suicide attempts in the people who are put on these medications.

00:13:25.740 So at a population level, you're more likely to try and take your life if you're put on

00:13:32.100 an antidepressant than if you're given placebo.

00:13:34.680 It is insanity giving these medications out the way we are to kids right now.

00:13:39.520 I guess the argument would be that they're already suicidal, which is why they're going

00:13:42.900 on psychiatric meds to begin with, and that they were already more likely to do it.

00:13:47.140 That's not, that's not really what happens.

00:13:48.420 I mean, so I brought up my son as an example, who is a, you know, a healthy, jovial 15 year

00:13:54.420 old boy.

00:13:55.520 And when he was just in, I think it was, it might've been pre-K, he was in pre-K, he was

00:14:01.240 going to this school and he kept getting in trouble.

00:14:04.060 He was always getting in trouble.

00:14:05.560 And I was getting called in to the, to the office to talk to the teacher.

00:14:08.960 I was getting all these notes home all the time.

00:14:11.640 Well, he's running in circles at circle time.

00:14:14.660 And I was like, well, that, but that kind of makes sense, right?

00:14:17.580 I mean, it's circle time.

00:14:18.640 I'm like, what's circle, he's supposed to sit on a circle and be quiet and just sit

00:14:22.620 there.

00:14:22.860 And I was like, okay, you're calling it circle time.

00:14:25.780 He's running in circles.

00:14:26.660 Like maybe he's just smarter than you, you know?

00:14:29.600 Number of times it was, he doesn't want to sit still.

00:14:33.080 He doesn't want to do his assignment.

00:14:34.600 He wants to jiggle around in his chair.

00:14:36.520 Have you considered getting him evaluated for ADHD?

00:14:39.680 Have you considered this and that?

00:14:41.120 And every time me and his dad were like, no, we're not doing that.

00:14:46.180 We're not doing that.

00:14:47.020 Well, would you consider it will help him in school?

00:14:49.400 Maybe he needs a prescription.

00:14:50.700 And we were like, nope, nope.

00:14:53.220 Maybe have more recess.

00:14:54.920 We're not doing any of these things.

00:14:56.940 And it was shocking the number of times that they insisted to us that this happy, healthy,

00:15:04.120 rambunctious, you know, excited for life, jubilant little boy was like,

00:15:10.860 a problem.

00:15:11.600 And all of the things that they were telling me were a problem are like signs of life.

00:15:16.340 You know, there was never any, you know, never any issues.

00:15:20.280 And in fact, like he told me recently that as a kid, he would sometimes have like emotional

00:15:24.900 outbursts, right?

00:15:26.420 Who doesn't?

00:15:26.980 You're a little kid.

00:15:27.760 And he recently told me, he said, I'm really proud of how I have my whole emotional situation

00:15:33.220 under control.

00:15:33.880 I worked on getting that under control so that I could react the way I want to and not the

00:15:38.960 way, you know, that I just do off the spur of the moment.

00:15:41.600 And I was like, that's, that's the goal.

00:15:43.580 That's awesome.

00:15:44.740 This is so typical of what we do in the US with the mental health system.

00:15:50.420 I mean, we, we want to put problems in people's brains, you know, rather than actually like

00:15:55.500 looking at the school or the society or the problems going on in the, you know, in the

00:16:00.340 families or all of these things.

00:16:02.200 It's so much more convenient to say, Libby, your son has a brain disorder.

00:16:06.620 It's ADHD.

00:16:07.660 You know, you don't need to look at anything else, at least not our school and our programming

00:16:11.580 and, you know, that it's not interesting to your son.

00:16:14.180 Go and see him to get evaluated.

00:16:16.360 And that is exactly what's wrong with mental health in this country.

00:16:19.800 That's why it's getting worse, even though we're using more and more drugs than ever before.

00:16:23.780 That's why suicide rates are higher because it just doesn't work.

00:16:26.780 I was just going to say, as, as someone who grew up medicated, I was put on these drugs

00:16:32.960 as a kid and I took them through my teens and my twenties.

00:16:37.340 What makes it especially insidious when it comes to medicating and diagnosing kids is that

00:16:42.080 you don't yet have a baseline sense of who you are.

00:16:45.260 You're just coming into yourself as, as an autonomous agentic being when you're hitting

00:16:50.960 puberty as I was when I was first medicated.

00:16:53.760 And so you don't even realize having been on these meds for basically a decade and a

00:16:58.580 half, um, I, I had no idea what I was losing and what I never got access to because I had

00:17:08.340 no baseline to refer back to.

00:17:09.780 I didn't have, you know, decades lived and then started a medication in my forties and

00:17:14.480 then realized like, wow, I'm kind of losing touch with my sexual function or my personality.

00:17:18.980 I had no baseline.

00:17:19.880 And I think a lot of this, like, I'm not going to speculate about psych drugs in this,

00:17:25.880 in any of these killings.

00:17:27.020 It's, it's obviously so complicated, but what I can say for myself, having been heavily

00:17:32.200 medicated, having tried to kill myself in a very extreme way in my mid twenties is that

00:17:38.340 a lot of this I think is about disembodiment at a deeper, like spiritual level.

00:17:43.320 Even I think you can't, you can't want, wish violence against someone else or be happy when

00:17:48.880 someone else is killed unless you are out of touch with your own humanity.

00:17:51.760 You cannot dehumanize someone else unless you yourself are dehumanized.

00:17:56.260 And I do think that the psychiatric drug issue, while I'm not going to, you know, say it's causing

00:18:03.320 anything.

00:18:04.040 I think it's a big piece of this puzzle because with so many young people growing

00:18:08.080 up medicated, growing up disconnected from their instincts, from their capacity to feel

00:18:13.580 empathy, to feel compassion.

00:18:16.180 That was my experience.

00:18:17.580 I'm not saying it's the experience of everyone on these drugs, but I know I'm far from alone.

00:18:22.240 And, you know, to think back to that moment when I made the decision to kill myself, I was,

00:18:27.340 it made total sense to me.

00:18:29.180 It was perfectly logical given the story I was believing about, you know, having this

00:18:33.820 incurable brain disease, like Yosef said, like I, the reason I feel this way isn't because

00:18:38.100 of my relationship to the world around me.

00:18:39.820 It's because I have faulty brain chemicals.

00:18:41.880 I've tried all these meds.

00:18:43.180 I've seen the best doctors everywhere.

00:18:44.940 I'm still getting worse.

00:18:46.340 There's no point in going on.

00:18:48.620 You know, I, I, I don't, I truly believe I would not have reached that point of choosing

00:18:55.620 to kill myself were I not disembodied, fundamentally disconnected from myself.

00:19:00.620 And it's not just medications that do this.

00:19:02.600 It's so many kind of facets of our society, social media, digital, the digital, digitally

00:19:08.500 mediated relationships, food, big food, you know, you could go on and on all the ways

00:19:13.480 for disembodied.

00:19:14.120 Laura, I want to, I want to pick up that thread about like, we don't, what we don't want

00:19:18.480 to do is, is get to a place where we're just saying anytime a mass shooting happens,

00:19:23.340 it was due to psychiatric medications.

00:19:25.760 I think, I mean, I'll speak for myself.

00:19:28.240 Clearly there's an element of social contagion going on, uh, with these events.

00:19:33.140 Um, I may be unpopular by saying this, but clearly the availability of guns, you know,

00:19:38.360 if, if someone is highly unstable and there's a lot of guns around, they're grabbing a gun,

00:19:42.440 they're not grabbing a knife.

00:19:43.440 Yeah, but real quick, real quick, the last seven trans shooters were all on hormones.

00:19:49.320 Well, that's the thing.

00:19:50.260 Or like SSRIs too.

00:19:51.840 Yes, they were all on pills.

00:19:53.460 And so, you know, Laura was talking a moment ago about feeling disembodied on psychiatric

00:19:58.340 medications.

00:19:59.400 And when, when experts have looked at this and they say, you know, how do these drugs make

00:20:04.680 people do this?

00:20:05.840 Part of it is emotional blunting.

00:20:07.680 If you blunt someone out with medications, you're going to blunt morality.

00:20:11.760 You're going to blunt their conscious.

00:20:13.780 They're, they're, they're not going to feel that same sense of, of responsibility.

00:20:17.680 It's the same way that these drugs can lead to suicide.

00:20:20.260 Many people don't want to take their life because they're worried about their families and the

00:20:24.920 impact it's going to leave on people around them.

00:20:27.760 But if you turn that way down, they're going to be way more, you know, many people can feel

00:20:32.360 like, you know, what's the point of living?

00:20:34.200 I'm not feeling anything.

00:20:35.260 They don't think about the consequences.

00:20:36.740 There's, there was a very interesting, um, uh, I know we were all talking about Charlie

00:20:42.240 Kirk earlier.

00:20:42.860 A couple of years ago, I was at the Young Women's Leadership Summit, which was at one

00:20:47.420 of the events that he did.

00:20:48.740 And I was on a panel talking about faith and being, you know, a person of faith living in

00:20:54.480 a large liberal city.

00:20:56.160 I was in New York at the time and a young woman stood up and she said something that was

00:21:00.640 absolutely fascinating.

00:21:01.760 And I've been thinking about it, you know, pretty regularly for about three years.

00:21:06.900 And she said, um, I don't think that we've really comprehended how far kids who grow up

00:21:13.860 in liberal, liberal environments are removed from values.

00:21:16.840 So for example, when I grew up, the word soul was a very weird word.

00:21:20.520 Like that's something that weird people said.

00:21:23.020 So when people had to try and express their internal tumult, they would use words like

00:21:27.480 I'm depressed or I'm anxious, or they would assign some sort of medical value to it.

00:21:32.500 Another example is the way that people who grow up in liberal environments get a sense

00:21:35.800 of purpose and meaning from being part of the democratic party or having, you know, being

00:21:40.760 part of a rebellion, she said, or even as we see now people celebrating their mental

00:21:45.680 illness and saying, oh, that's my, my, you know, I'm a little autistic coming out.

00:21:50.760 That's my ADHD coming out.

00:21:52.600 That's my childhood trauma coming out.

00:21:54.560 That's my, I have PTSD from one time my teacher yelled at me coming out or whatever.

00:22:00.580 And, um, she said, you know, that's what she was saying.

00:22:05.000 And this notion that the soul has been replaced with perceived medical conditions or mental conditions.

00:22:13.000 And then this morning during the press conference with Governor Cox in Utah, one of the reporters

00:22:18.260 said, is there any indication of mental illness?

00:22:22.060 Is, I mean, do you find that, that perhaps we have taken what used to be meaning derived

00:22:29.300 from faith or from, you know, a community that has moral grounding to this other much more

00:22:37.100 amorphous situation?

00:22:38.160 We're lost.

00:22:39.180 I mean, yeah, I think with the decline in, um, you know, religious community, people are

00:22:45.060 lost, I think they're lacking purpose.

00:22:47.160 And when you go online and, you know, you could say it's, uh, you know, liberal politics,

00:22:52.640 it could be like, um, like the trans community as well.

00:22:57.020 It could be having a mental health condition.

00:22:59.260 I follow social media a lot.

00:23:00.840 And so I see things going on on TikTok and, and there, these are communities that people

00:23:06.740 are drawn into and they're kind of celebrated, especially on the left where there is this,

00:23:11.860 um, you know, there's a social currency almost with being a sexual minority or being someone

00:23:18.240 with a mental health condition.

00:23:19.500 It's like you are stigmatized, you are victimized and, you know, you, you know, we're going to

00:23:24.580 bandy together and, um, and we're going to fight against the injustice.

00:23:29.400 And so I, I think that you can have vulnerable people who are confused, who, who maybe don't

00:23:34.020 have something like God and religion get kind of pulled into these places to, to feel like

00:23:39.160 they're a part of something, um, and the, and the horrible to fill that, that place inside

00:23:44.360 that's empty.

00:23:45.420 Yeah.

00:23:45.920 I, I, so to me, a lot of this is about the ubiquity of medicalization, just as you were

00:23:52.740 saying, Libby, we live, we live, I think over the past 70 years, and I go into this in

00:23:56.940 my, in my book, because when I was writing, it's mostly a memoir, but I realized like,

00:24:00.220 I have to tell the bigger story of the American mental health industry here to understand what

00:24:04.460 happened to me.

00:24:05.660 I have to investigate like the bigger story of, of our country and how over the last 70

00:24:11.120 years, the rise of the mental health industry has, has kind of infused our meaning making

00:24:16.900 apparatus as a culture with medicalized discourse.

00:24:20.020 So the, the deeper spiritual or existential or philosophical language that we, until,

00:24:27.020 you know, until a second ago in the span of human history would, would use to understand

00:24:31.520 ourselves, get slowly replaced with lists of symptoms and clinical ease and a sterile

00:24:36.140 jargon that gives the illusion of, of self-understanding.

00:24:41.240 Because, you know, I cannot tell you how much relief I felt at the beginning when I did embrace

00:24:46.500 my various diagnoses, like, oh, wow, I can look at this list of symptoms.

00:24:51.540 Yep, yep, yep, yep.

00:24:53.100 Oh my gosh, this is me.

00:24:54.400 This is where I belong.

00:24:55.500 Now I can feel validated and understood I belong.

00:24:59.100 And as Yosef was saying, and as you were saying, Libby, like the, the fact that we are yearning

00:25:03.140 for that speaks to the void in our culture of community, of a sense of belonging, of, and

00:25:08.740 it makes me think of the, the philosopher and writer, social critic, Yvonne Illich, who was

00:25:13.980 a former priest who, who wrote about, he wrote about how, you know, all these various kind

00:25:19.360 of industries in our culture, whether it's the medical industry or the education industry,

00:25:24.720 they set out and, and kind of promote themselves as, as being these helping institutions that

00:25:31.260 are going to solve X, Y, Z problem.

00:25:33.940 But they actually end up perpetuating the very problem that they claim to set out to treat.

00:25:38.500 And in the case of, of health, he called it, you know, this, this idea of medical nemesis

00:25:43.560 that, that the medical industry has kind of claimed this monopoly on what it means to

00:25:50.460 be human, what it means to suffer, to struggle, to yearn, to feel, to feel desire.

00:25:55.700 We've, we've, it's, it's monopolized how we understand that for ourselves, which then

00:26:01.320 monopolizes what you do with it.

00:26:03.040 Because if you have a mental illness, then the only logical thing to do is to get treatment

00:26:07.500 from a medical professional.

00:26:09.140 But if you're having an existential crisis or a crisis of faith or a crisis of loneliness,

00:26:15.480 then they're, the solutions, quote unquote, are not necessarily going to be medical.

00:26:19.100 And I think that's a big part of this.

00:26:20.580 So the, the issue that I think we have in this country is that mental illness is often

00:26:25.100 stated by the right as an easy answer to a, a brain can, a state of, of physical brain

00:26:33.000 construction among large swaths of the population.

00:26:36.020 That is these, many of these, these people that are on the left, and I'm not saying it's,

00:26:42.260 it's only the left.

00:26:42.960 I'm just saying we see it predominantly on the left.

00:26:45.520 It is not that their brains don't work.

00:26:48.940 Their brains are perfectly functioning.

00:26:50.980 They just believe things that are not true.

00:26:54.580 And we've had this discussion before on this show, as well as Timcast IRL, the difference

00:26:58.340 between someone who is suffering from paranoid delusion, schizophrenia, somebody who might

00:27:02.860 say that out of the corner of their eye, they always see little men trying to steal

00:27:06.840 their stuff and a voice tells them to chase them around, things like this.

00:27:10.600 I had a friend who told me that she had a camera orbiting her body that was placed there

00:27:15.400 by the government that spot on her, and she could see it floating around her, and she

00:27:18.300 knows it's there, and she, she was, she was being medicated.

00:27:22.080 That is easily pointed out as, okay, there is something wrong with your brain, but what

00:27:28.200 happens when someone is raised in a culture that tells them something as insane as, you

00:27:34.800 can't see the camera floating around your body, but trust us, it's there.

00:27:38.300 They don't actually see it.

00:27:39.440 They don't hear anything, but they still live in this world where they believe the government

00:27:43.280 has been implanting invisible orbiting cameras around them, something we know to be absolutely

00:27:47.460 insane.

00:27:48.840 There's no, there's no way to treat a form of developed psychotic delusion.

00:27:57.020 Oh, I, I, I assume that you could always make an argument there is, I mean, what, deprogramming

00:28:01.100 someone?

00:28:01.520 Yeah, pulling people out of a cult, that kind of mindset.

00:28:03.300 But we're talking about people who, if we go back to Donald Trump coming down the escalator,

00:28:07.440 for, for, uh, they, the, the saying goes that every seven years, every cell in your

00:28:11.900 body has been replaced.

00:28:13.060 We are, we are our own ship of Theseus.

00:28:15.880 If someone, anyone alive today has lived in the world of the corporate press, which is

00:28:21.120 still right now lying.

00:28:22.080 You know what?

00:28:22.320 I want to, I want to pull up one of these lies there.

00:28:25.620 Every fiber of their being is screaming things that is, that are, that are not true.

00:28:30.980 How do you actively, there's nothing you can do.

00:28:36.820 Let me, let me show you this tweet.

00:28:37.740 For instance, ABC News tweeted, well, President Trump has called for an end to political violence

00:28:42.840 following the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

00:28:44.340 He did not recognize or acknowledge the recent deaths, violent attacks and killings of Democrats.

00:28:48.600 Completely false.

00:28:49.720 And as you can see with, with community notes, President Trump publicly responded, offering

00:28:53.600 condolences after the shooting of two Minnesota lawmakers.

00:28:56.480 ABC News, this is not an accident.

00:28:59.680 They have editors.

00:29:00.480 They have teams of staff.

00:29:02.360 CNN the other day, when the news broke from Steven Crowder that the bullets were engraved

00:29:07.340 with anti-fascist and trans ideology, the Wall Street Journal confirmed this through their

00:29:12.080 own source.

00:29:13.400 CNN reported it was cultural issues engraved that were being analyzed.

00:29:17.660 So there are people who exist only in that space who are told every day, Charlie Kirk hates

00:29:25.200 black people, but that's fabricated.

00:29:27.040 It's not real.

00:29:27.500 Charlie Kirk, in one viral video that was actually recommended to me on Instagram, referred to

00:29:32.440 a black child as a gift from God.

00:29:33.940 This man was not racist.

00:29:36.140 What do we do when we are dealing with a mental illness that was intentionally programmed by

00:29:42.580 activist organizations to put people into a state of paranoid delusion that there are

00:29:48.540 Nazis around every corner?

00:29:49.960 There's no medication that will change that because this is a programming issue.

00:29:53.780 I mean, this breaks my heart because, I mean, the solution really was to have Charlie Kirk

00:29:58.160 because he was going out there to these universities and he was putting in FaceTime, having people

00:30:05.560 like listen to him about these issues, having difficult questions, difficult conversations.

00:30:12.040 I mean, and that's what we really need more of.

00:30:14.660 We need to humanize the other side.

00:30:18.160 I love social media for that, although, you know, I get censored and I know a lot of people

00:30:22.180 do get censored for having these things.

00:30:24.160 But I think the more we can break away from ABC News and like CNN and these places that have

00:30:29.960 just a very, to me now, it's a very obvious narrative to serve their base rather than trying

00:30:36.580 to be helpful and actually see things in a logical, rational way.

00:30:39.920 The more exposure that we can have and get these ideas out there, I think that will de-radicalize

00:30:45.760 people.

00:30:46.260 I think they will wake up to it slowly and I think it is happening.

00:30:50.280 I do think so.

00:30:53.660 It's tough.

00:30:54.480 I want to be optimistic.

00:30:55.260 Following this brutal assassination of a political leader and friend, I was hoping that your more

00:31:06.720 moderate or default liberals, who do believe things that are not true because of, as I

00:31:12.060 described, would be shocked to see such a graphic and horrific incident.

00:31:19.300 They weren't.

00:31:20.600 They weren't shocked at all.

00:31:22.340 I have friends, people that I've known for years that work in Hollywood, that are prominent

00:31:27.700 liberals, they're activists, but I always consider them to kind of be normie default

00:31:32.060 libs that they post your generic talking point.

00:31:35.080 And I genuinely believed yesterday that many of those people were going to be like, this

00:31:43.100 is not okay.

00:31:44.080 Stop.

00:31:44.380 And today I woke up and looked at Instagram stories from people that don't spend time

00:31:51.080 in politics.

00:31:51.940 They only just, you know, they post a black, black square profile, profile picture for

00:31:56.040 George Floyd.

00:31:56.800 They'll repost some activist talking point.

00:31:59.660 And I'm seeing several videos being shared by many of these individuals who are well known,

00:32:05.120 justifying the death, saying things like Charlie got the world that he wanted.

00:32:09.380 So be it saying things that Charlie Kirk wanted to kill you.

00:32:12.480 So they killed him saying things like, this is a man who genuinely hated black people and

00:32:16.700 wanted them to add all fake, all lies.

00:32:19.500 And these were supposed to be sane, rational people, people that I knew that I could still

00:32:23.860 talk to.

00:32:24.460 And I don't, I don't know how we move forward right now.

00:32:29.080 So there are posts on, on, on X with 20 million views of people saying who's next.

00:32:37.720 He deserved it.

00:32:38.780 Yeah.

00:32:38.980 And it's, it kind of goes back to what you were saying about what happens when you are

00:32:43.180 raised in a culture that tells you there are invisible cameras circling your body and

00:32:47.340 you have the, you know, the, the delusion, what happens when you're raised with delusion.

00:32:50.900 And you also mentioned that these are not people who are particularly involved in politics.

00:32:54.620 So what happens is they hear from trusted sources like ABC or MSNBC or the others that Charlie

00:33:03.240 Kirk is a fascist, that this very Christian man who espoused peace is hateful and evil,

00:33:09.140 right?

00:33:09.680 Or he's responsible for school shootings because he has a pro second amendment and he got

00:33:14.280 what was coming.

00:33:14.720 This guy was political.

00:33:15.880 He dressed up as Trump for Halloween.

00:33:17.640 No, not this guy.

00:33:18.580 I mean, like in general, the people who are on social media saying this stuff, they're not

00:33:22.860 steeped in politics, but they believe everything that they've heard that's negative about Charlie

00:33:27.280 and they've never looked into it themselves.

00:33:29.340 Look at stupid Stephen King, right?

00:33:31.340 He espoused this whole thing of like Charlie wanted to stone gay people or whatever.

00:33:35.660 And then everyone was like, you are wrong.

00:33:37.740 Look at the clip.

00:33:39.220 Look at the clip.

00:33:40.140 He's, he's, he's got a viral post saying.

00:33:41.760 And he had to apologize.

00:33:43.000 He apologized, but like, that's not going viral.

00:33:45.700 He actually said that he couldn't stand the people that were trying to gatekeep the movement

00:33:49.220 and keep gay people from the conservative movement.

00:33:51.340 Charlie did everything he could to lift up black conservatives and black people on the

00:33:55.260 left too, for that matter.

00:33:56.500 So, uh, anybody that says that he was racist is just ignorant, but he also had ideas that

00:34:01.280 maybe were horrific or you disagreed with, he would debate you on them and change his

00:34:05.420 mind.

00:34:05.720 If you offered a position, that was the thing.

00:34:07.920 So I don't care.

00:34:08.500 You give me a list of all the bad things he said, debate them on it.

00:34:10.920 That was the point.

00:34:11.620 There's no reason whatsoever for this to happen to Charlie Kirk.

00:34:15.960 Like there's a million other people this could have happened to, and it would not have this

00:34:19.780 effect.

00:34:21.780 So this happening to Charlie Kirk is why this is, um, so impactful.

00:34:24.620 This is what's scary is that those of us who knew Charlie, and I don't just mean personally,

00:34:30.040 I mean, those who knew who he really was, knew that he was a really nice guy.

00:34:35.560 He was not somebody who went on TV and was angry.

00:34:40.180 He, there, there are a lot of people in the space, especially on the right, who are angry

00:34:43.620 and are yelling and saying, you know what?

00:34:44.900 These people, I'll tell you, that wasn't Charlie.

00:34:47.040 And that's one of the reasons I think it was so impactful and horrifying is that Charlie

00:34:51.280 was always really calm and nice.

00:34:53.280 And at the bare minimum, the worst emotion you got from him when you debated him was

00:34:57.480 him scoffing or laughing and saying, what?

00:34:59.980 No, here's my idea.

00:35:01.140 But he never yelled at you.

00:35:02.280 He never insulted you.

00:35:03.940 He would, uh, you know, I've, I've watched, I've seen so many of his videos.

00:35:08.180 He would only, the closest he ever got is when he would give back what he was given to

00:35:12.600 the point that I was making about these people and their views, you know, uh, mentioning that

00:35:17.460 they're raised in this society, they go online and they're surrounded by people saying, these

00:35:22.980 people are fascists, punch Nazis, Nazis are bad.

00:35:27.100 The way I've, I've, I've explained it before is we all know that feeling because there are,

00:35:32.640 uh, there are certain things you cannot do in public.

00:35:36.240 There are certain things that if you do, you will be shunned or, or harassed or isolated

00:35:40.660 or, and there, there are things, you know, you would react to.

00:35:44.920 For instance, most people on the left and the right, if they witnessed a man yelling racial

00:35:50.800 slurs at another man would, would be mad about it and would say, Hey, you can't do that.

00:35:55.460 That's not okay.

00:35:55.880 That is the overwhelming majority of this country.

00:35:57.760 Racists exist.

00:35:58.500 So we know that feeling of, if you were sitting down at a restaurant and you saw a guy get

00:36:05.780 up and start screaming at a black man and insulting him, was minding his own business or his family

00:36:09.560 and calling them names, you would react viscerally.

00:36:12.340 You work at the shop would say, get out of here.

00:36:14.160 Don't you do that.

00:36:16.300 So we understand that feeling.

00:36:17.800 The problem is there is a generation and a, and, and the, the liberal political faction that

00:36:22.840 have been raised to believe that that racist guy screaming racial slurs was you, me,

00:36:28.360 was Charlie.

00:36:29.540 So when someone comes out and tells them, imagine if someone said that guy who was threatening

00:36:35.760 to murder that black woman calling her racial slurs and was taunting her and poured a milkshake

00:36:40.760 on her head, walked outside and got hit by a car.

00:36:42.900 People are going to be like, yeah, wow.

00:36:46.080 And you're not really going to feel that bad.

00:36:48.160 That's where liberals are right now.

00:36:50.080 That's because of the lies, the intentional lies from ABC news, from CNN, from MSNBC.

00:36:55.240 Remember MSNBC said when Charlie got shot, perhaps someone was firing celebratory gunfire.

00:37:00.180 They also said he was divisive.

00:37:02.260 And he said awful things.

00:37:03.580 So he gets awful actions.

00:37:04.800 Right.

00:37:05.300 That's the world they're living in.

00:37:06.540 And so again, I'm kind of ranting because obviously it's so personal.

00:37:10.220 My point, sorry, just to finalize it.

00:37:13.780 These are people who imagine they're on a boat and all around them, that's the only thing

00:37:18.340 they're told and they can see.

00:37:19.180 They can't get to the ship or the landmass that we're on, where we're welcoming of everybody.

00:37:24.600 And what terrifies me the most about it is layered in this psychology that has been developed

00:37:29.400 by these media organizations is if you talk to Charlie and he says something different

00:37:36.160 from what we told you, it is because he is lying to trick you so that you abandon your

00:37:41.860 values.

00:37:42.300 And then every interaction these liberals have with any of us, there is a veil of, I

00:37:50.760 know that if you agree with me, it's you lying to trick me.

00:37:53.520 So I won't believe anything you say, no matter what you say.

00:37:55.720 This is making me think of the role of, to get back to, to what you were talking about

00:38:02.240 earlier, Libby.

00:38:02.920 And I think actually I saw a great clip of you talking about this from recent, from

00:38:07.240 recently.

00:38:09.080 I think at the heart of this phenomenon that we're talking about, and I think it's, I

00:38:13.760 think it's across the culture and not even necessarily just political in nature is, is

00:38:21.280 the privileging of your emotions, especially your outrage and your anger and, and basically

00:38:30.200 letting your anger shape your perceptions of reality and, and define what you think of

00:38:36.880 as true.

00:38:38.020 And I think a lot of that, what is a part of the root of that, I think is this ubiquity

00:38:43.940 of therapeutic culture where so many young people, I was just doing an interview earlier this

00:38:48.960 morning and we were talking about the stat that 72% of Gen Z girls, women, um, 72% of

00:38:58.640 them have their mental health condition, quote unquote, as a deeply important part of their

00:39:04.180 identity.

00:39:05.060 Right.

00:39:05.260 And so young people are growing up and I'll, I'll, I'll talk about what this was like for

00:39:09.360 me because it was just so powerful.

00:39:12.440 Being a 13 year old girl who was confused and lost and insecure, wanting to feel like

00:39:18.540 she belonged somewhere to, to get kind of funneled into this.

00:39:22.120 And I don't blame, my parents did the best they could.

00:39:25.240 What age did they put you on birth control?

00:39:27.460 That's a good question.

00:39:28.340 Don't even get me started on birth control.

00:39:29.820 I started birth control at 16.

00:39:31.220 So I was on five psych drugs, lithium, Lamictal, Abilify, Effexor, and Ativan.

00:39:35.560 At the same time?

00:39:36.140 Same time.

00:39:36.760 That's crazy.

00:39:37.120 It was my last regimen back in 2010, 16 years of oral contraception.

00:39:41.640 I don't even get me started on the pill.

00:39:43.220 At the best hospitals in the country.

00:39:45.140 When I was 16 too, and it was kind of weird because I wasn't sexually active.

00:39:49.580 Oh yeah.

00:39:49.940 It was like this thing where just all the girls at my prep school were suddenly on birth

00:39:55.560 control.

00:39:56.260 Every girl at my school.

00:39:57.520 For me it was for an eating disorder.

00:39:59.060 This was all like affluent girls, just all of them.

00:40:02.300 Same with me.

00:40:03.000 And so when you grow up in this, infused in this therapeutic landscape where you're like

00:40:09.640 as someone who was in therapy every week for a decade and a half, sometimes twice a

00:40:13.880 week and I'm just talking about myself, talking about my mind, talking about my thoughts, talking

00:40:17.260 about my insecurities, my anger, my emotions.

00:40:19.580 And it's just getting more and more reinforced that the most important thing in my life to

00:40:24.620 focus on is myself and my feelings.

00:40:27.100 I think when you think about that phenomenon in an individual and how it can shape their

00:40:33.840 own reality and then you pan out and you think about how many young adults grew up in

00:40:40.620 therapy, privileging their emotions.

00:40:43.160 And then you think, okay, it kind of makes sense.

00:40:45.000 We're in this polarized, like Tim, you were saying that people are literally living in

00:40:48.540 different realities.

00:40:49.540 Literally.

00:40:50.120 I mean, they constantly feel like a victim.

00:40:51.600 You know, it's like I'm being oppressed by people out there.

00:40:55.340 They're out to get me.

00:40:56.380 Anything that they say is dangerous and it's a lie.

00:41:02.120 And look where it gets them.

00:41:04.040 I don't think you can actually get anywhere really useful in life if you constantly feel

00:41:08.040 like, you know, people are out to get me.

00:41:11.380 They're, you know, these people on the right and their ideas and they're holding us down

00:41:16.440 or even the mental health issue as well, where it's like, I have a brain disease.

00:41:21.420 You know, my anxiety and depression is caused by my brain and there's nothing that I can

00:41:26.600 actually do to fix that problem.

00:41:29.040 And unfortunately, that is a mentality.

00:41:31.060 And I remember you were, I was watching you on Tucker Carlson recently, Laura, and I think

00:41:35.420 he asked, he said, you know, what would you, what would you have said to me if I, if I

00:41:40.120 said, Hey, maybe, you know, medications aren't the answer or there's, there's not something.

00:41:44.420 And I think you told him to F off or something like that.

00:41:47.060 Like it was so like deep.

00:41:49.520 Yeah.

00:41:49.980 Well, it's, I cannot tell you how powerful it is to be taught to think that you have no

00:41:56.780 agency or control over your life because your brain is defective.

00:42:01.540 Like I literally believed through these vital years when I was meant to be figuring out who

00:42:07.960 I was as an adult in the world and like what I cared about and what my passions were, I

00:42:13.260 was moving through every single day thinking I, what's the point in really trying to grow

00:42:18.380 or evolve as a person?

00:42:19.440 Because my, my brain is pathologic.

00:42:21.820 I have chemical imbalance in my brain that I'll never be able to get rid of.

00:42:24.620 I can just manage it with pills.

00:42:25.960 So like, what's the point in trying to become a more evolved person to grow, to change.

00:42:32.820 And I, and I think that sense of disempowerment that internalizing a mentally ill identity,

00:42:38.040 um, you know, it, it stripped me of any belief that I could be an agent in my life.

00:42:45.040 And I think just to quickly, like Tim, to your, your question earlier, like, you know, I can't

00:42:51.640 remember exactly how you framed it, but I'm really cautious to medicalize violence ever

00:42:57.440 to call it mental illness because it really does absolve responsibility.

00:43:01.500 The idea is if you're mentally ill, you did this, not because you're a bad person or a

00:43:06.180 lazy person or, you know, an immoral person because you're sick and it's not your fault.

00:43:10.880 And so I think we need to be really cautious when we medicalize any kind of.

00:43:15.640 I mean, did you see the DeCarlos Brown thing?

00:43:17.760 They're like, Oh, he has mental illness.

00:43:19.820 He's hurting, so he hurts.

00:43:21.200 It's like, does he not have a personality?

00:43:23.300 Does he not have responsibility there?

00:43:25.800 It's just like he was in a crisis.

00:43:27.480 They, they, this is the corporate press, which we typically describe as more left aligned,

00:43:34.780 describes people as though they are animals without higher brain function.

00:43:38.200 This man who made a decision to-

00:43:40.980 It's kind of true.

00:43:41.940 Exactly.

00:43:42.840 So the way I've described it, as we've discussed on the, on the show this past week,

00:43:46.600 before the horrifying moments in Utah was, uh, if you slathered yourself up in honey and peanut

00:43:53.900 butter and carried some delicious trout into the woods, who is responsible for the attack on you?

00:43:59.260 The bear himself.

00:44:00.760 And that's the argument made by Democrats, which seems insane.

00:44:05.040 We don't blame the bear for smelling food and chasing after it.

00:44:08.620 However, when Irina Zarutska goes and sits on a train, not slathering herself up in anything and is

00:44:15.820 brutally murdered, they say, don't blame the murderer.

00:44:19.380 He was hurting.

00:44:20.220 So he hurt.

00:44:21.040 It is absolutely insane.

00:44:23.900 This was a man who made a choice and they said, but he's unwell.

00:44:28.680 And in fact, I just, just, this is important.

00:44:32.820 Sorry, sorry.

00:44:33.820 Van Jones attacked Charlie Kirk as a race monger for pointing out that this man attacked Irina

00:44:40.880 Zarutska, a young white girl, and not anybody else on that, who was sitting near him, who were black.

00:44:47.260 And Van Jones said to, to say, you know, it was because of race is just race mongering.

00:44:53.320 After a decade of Van Jones himself, as well as many others in the corporate press, literally

00:44:58.340 race mongering over instances that is no evidence that it was race motivated.

00:45:02.820 And of course, then after this segment comes out, video emerges.

00:45:06.660 I do believe the video was available, but became more prominent in which it appears this man,

00:45:11.100 DeCarlos says, I got that white girl.

00:45:14.060 Charlie wasn't wrong.

00:45:15.100 And on national television, Van Jones singled out Charlie Kirk as a race monger spreading

00:45:20.980 hate against black people.

00:45:22.260 And I believe it was perhaps two days later that a man who is, according to the, you know,

00:45:29.980 I think it's a fair prediction that there was a correlation between the words of Van Jones.

00:45:34.520 And I know some people might say that's just distasteful for me to say.

00:45:37.940 But as the press conference revealed, they said that this, this suspect was at home with his family

00:45:44.160 when mention of Charlie Kirk coming to their town was brought up and how the family member

00:45:49.260 said he was hateful.

00:45:50.340 And why did they think that Charlie Kirk was hateful?

00:45:52.940 He wasn't.

00:45:54.320 Because of people like Van Jones lying about what Charlie Kirk was saying.

00:45:59.800 And then sure enough, this guy went and killed Charlie Kirk.

00:46:02.800 You asked earlier, how do we, how do you snap someone out of a world where they believe

00:46:06.580 there are, uh, orbs flying around them, recording them?

00:46:09.400 Let me, let me, let me, put a tag in that.

00:46:11.400 I don't want to interrupt you.

00:46:12.360 I just want to clarify.

00:46:13.720 When I say that, I'm referring specifically to a person that I know, but let's, let's make

00:46:16.940 sure we clarify the point.

00:46:18.480 What do you say to a person who was raised to believe incorrectly that around every corner

00:46:25.240 are angry white supremacists looking to murder trans and black people?

00:46:29.580 And there's my answer.

00:46:30.380 It's, you were saying it's people like Charlie Kirk that are the antidote to this guy.

00:46:33.820 I think people that can constantly, but there's also, you need to mitigate risk of susceptibility.

00:46:38.980 So people that are susceptible to brainwash somehow, whether it's dietary change, probably

00:46:43.560 a lot of your intelligence hat starts in your gut, getting people like less is more medit,

00:46:48.300 meditate.

00:46:49.040 I mean, talk about medication, meditation.

00:46:51.860 It's do it because you'll notice it's a disembodiment yet a embodiment at the same moment.

00:46:56.420 You sense things.

00:46:57.900 Let me, let me, let me try and translate that Ianism.

00:47:01.020 The food you eat can destroy and damage your brain.

00:47:04.060 Um, but as much as I agree, and as we've cheered Maha on and talking about getting the garbage

00:47:10.200 out of our foods, which does disrupt our hormones, does cause, you know, in many instances, a

00:47:15.240 variety of, of illnesses in our, in our psyche.

00:47:18.980 The distinction here is while that is correct and true, and probably a large portion of what

00:47:22.680 we're seeing, people living in cities, as you've pointed out before, breathing in breakdust

00:47:27.200 every day, live, when you live in these cities, you are inundated endlessly with environmental

00:47:33.980 toxins, which are attacking your senses and your mind and your body.

00:47:38.200 But I will make, I will draw that distinction from the other point that I'm making as well,

00:47:41.940 which I do say is with respect to your point, Ian, it's a good point.

00:47:44.460 The other point, of course, being people who are raised and being poisoned by false information,

00:47:50.120 which creates a worldview where they genuinely believe that cops, for instance, murdered 20,000

00:47:56.260 unarmed black men in one year, when the number was actually nine out of 300 million

00:48:00.580 interactions, they live in a world of fabrication, a false reality.

00:48:06.740 When someone is suffering from schizophrenia and there is a, something, some, something broken

00:48:13.180 in their brain where they believe that they, literally they hear voices and they see things

00:48:18.860 that aren't there.

00:48:19.800 We prescribe drugs that we believe will stop those symptoms and help them connect more with

00:48:25.740 reality.

00:48:26.140 There's varying degrees of success, perhaps, but there's a big difference between someone

00:48:31.140 who has just seen 800 times posts on Facebook saying white supremacists will kill you over

00:48:37.280 and over and over again.

00:48:38.700 CNN and ABC trusted news sources saying the right is more dangerous.

00:48:43.780 There's no medication for that.

00:48:45.980 No, I think less is more.

00:48:47.180 A lot of times too is like reduce the things you're putting into yourself so that you can be

00:48:50.940 more clear.

00:48:51.520 And there are people I've seen like snapping out of this narrative in the last day or two

00:48:56.560 where they're like, I can't be on the left anymore.

00:48:58.960 This is insane that you would celebrate this.

00:49:02.180 And people that are highly disembodied don't normally have those epiphanies.

00:49:07.200 Right.

00:49:07.560 Because they're, there's, they've silenced them, their own brains, you know, they've silenced

00:49:11.920 their own measure of cognition.

00:49:13.940 But I think what you're saying about people snapping out of it, it takes something, right?

00:49:18.180 It takes something for people to get out of this mindset.

00:49:20.740 Like I was raised pretty liberal and I went to, you know, all the liberal schools and all

00:49:27.940 the, you know, I was in the arts for goodness sake, like it's the most liberal area of our

00:49:33.120 culture.

00:49:33.760 And it took, it took trans for me to be like, wait a second, that's not right.

00:49:40.040 Men aren't women no matter what you do, no matter what you cut off or, or ingest or how

00:49:47.040 you look or put on lipstick, you're not a woman.

00:49:50.320 And so it takes something for people to be like, and then after that I started, I was

00:49:55.320 like, oh wait, if that's wrong, what else is wrong?

00:49:59.080 Oh, all of these other things are completely wrong, you know, are completely misidentified

00:50:06.360 in our culture and are made up.

00:50:08.320 But we have a situation now where not only are kids medicated and disassociated from themselves

00:50:13.220 and started at a young age so that, you know, and the same is true with the puberty blockers

00:50:18.160 and the cross sex hormones, it messes you up to the point where you don't grow up into

00:50:21.700 the person who you are.

00:50:23.200 You grow up into something else, something that's sort of malformed.

00:50:26.560 But like, so what happens is if that's what happens to you and you grow up this way and

00:50:33.080 you're constantly scrolling and you never take in and you're constantly navel gazing, like

00:50:37.900 you were saying, you know, you're constantly like looking inside yourself for all the truths

00:50:43.020 of the universe, you know, and your school is not great, which we know our education system

00:50:49.400 is the pits right now.

00:50:51.640 Where are you getting something?

00:50:53.420 And nobody's taking their kids to church, you know, you don't see a lot of that.

00:50:57.360 I mean, like my church is packed, which is awesome.

00:50:59.800 It's the best church I've ever been to.

00:51:00.840 But the you are you're doing all of this to this kid, you're never feeding them Charles

00:51:08.720 Dickens, you're never feeding them just some carrots and hummus, you're never feeding them

00:51:13.940 their own, you know, ability to explore the world.

00:51:16.700 And you're just constantly feeding them a heavy dose of their own inner monologue.

00:51:20.620 Like, that's devastating.

00:51:22.620 They're getting no fresh input.

00:51:24.220 It's just all this closed circuit.

00:51:26.000 I think a lot of this, when I think about my own trajectory, my kind of awakening was

00:51:32.440 that you had my equivalent was waking up to this, the fact that I'd basically been indoctrinated

00:51:38.940 into a psychiatric framework for understanding myself.

00:51:41.900 So that was my first onion layer that then began questioning many other onion layers.

00:51:47.680 And when I think what the challenge here that you're getting at is my own waking up process

00:51:54.680 was a completely internally sourced aha moment.

00:51:58.860 No one could have, I mean, the information was around me for years that there's no such

00:52:03.880 thing as a chemical imbalance.

00:52:04.940 And like Tim, even schizophrenia, even these serious diagnoses, it might sound shocking,

00:52:10.380 but to date, there is zero evidence that even like bipolar was my main label.

00:52:16.500 Schizophrenia, bipolar, these serious labels that there is actually any measurable pathology

00:52:20.220 that's causing them.

00:52:21.320 So like the indoctrination goes deep.

00:52:23.200 We're so trained to think it.

00:52:24.740 No one could have forced me to see that.

00:52:27.100 No one could have coerced me into changing my mind.

00:52:29.400 Like you said, Libby, it's this like internal aha moment that you have within yourself.

00:52:34.480 You had that rock bottom, right?

00:52:36.480 When you got involuntarily hospitalized and you realized your freedoms were getting taken

00:52:41.220 away.

00:52:42.040 And that sent you on a new trajectory where you're just like, this is not for me.

00:52:45.680 That is what woke me up, was realizing this system I'd been turning to for help for all

00:52:50.420 these years to care for me is actually a system of control.

00:52:53.640 I just hadn't seen it before because I had always said yes.

00:52:56.280 And now that I'm saying no, I'm literally having my civil liberties stripped away from

00:52:59.780 me and my bodily integrity violated by a drug I don't want to take.

00:53:04.020 And I do think that sometimes it is a forcing mechanism that is traumatic, that does wake you

00:53:09.940 up.

00:53:10.320 And you obviously don't want that to have to be what everyone has to go through to wake

00:53:13.600 up.

00:53:14.020 But it often is right.

00:53:15.080 But you need to have a rock bottom moment.

00:53:17.460 Like if you have an ideology or a way of looking at the world that does not serve you and your

00:53:21.760 life begins to suffer.

00:53:23.380 And I mean, this could be thinking that, you know, half of America is racist and because

00:53:27.560 of that, you don't get along with them.

00:53:29.260 I mean, that's going to have an impact on your life.

00:53:30.920 It's going to have an impact on your work.

00:53:32.840 And ultimately, things don't work out for you.

00:53:35.260 And when things don't work out for you, you become unhappy.

00:53:38.480 And I guess one of the problems that we have with that is people aren't reflecting on these

00:53:43.300 ways of moving through the world that aren't helping, they can then go to a doctor and

00:53:47.420 just take a medication and they can numb themselves to the fact that their life isn't working out

00:53:54.720 rather than looking at why.

00:53:56.500 Yeah.

00:53:56.960 They said when someone was saying that if you spend a lot of your time doing easy things,

00:54:01.400 you become a prey animal.

00:54:02.660 You become, in like video games, if you're just always doing like no risk things, you become.

00:54:06.980 And I've noticed with drugs, if I've ever smoked pot, I'm like, what my main focus is

00:54:11.920 is feeling better.

00:54:13.200 It's about my body and my self feeling.

00:54:15.460 When I'm not, I care about my environment.

00:54:17.860 How can I make my environment better?

00:54:19.580 And if you make your environment better, you will feel better in the long run.

00:54:22.720 That's what people are missing.

00:54:23.720 They're chasing the high.

00:54:24.800 They're chasing the feeling.

00:54:26.500 And sometimes you just got to hit rock bottom.

00:54:28.300 You got to fall apart.

00:54:29.220 You got to break.

00:54:30.140 And then you can rebuild.

00:54:32.500 Pain is good.

00:54:33.260 You need that pain as direction in your life.

00:54:36.660 And that's why we have such a big problem with just numbing it out all the time.

00:54:39.600 This is the smoke alarm going off in your brain saying, hey, something is not working and

00:54:44.900 you need to fix it.

00:54:46.040 You know, it's funny.

00:54:46.860 You mentioned change your environment and you're talking about the smoke alarm.

00:54:50.180 And years ago, I went to my doctor because I was having like a horrible time sleeping.

00:54:54.920 I just could not sleep.

00:54:55.880 I would fall asleep.

00:54:56.900 Then I would wake up and I just could not sleep.

00:54:59.480 And it had been like two months, three months of like just terrible sleep.

00:55:03.420 And my doctor was like, okay, well, why don't we get you some Ambien?

00:55:07.480 Just like a heavy duty sleeping pill.

00:55:09.520 So then I start taking the Ambien and, you know, it's sort of fun because you get loopy.

00:55:15.380 But I was like taking this Ambien and then the same thing would happen except instead of

00:55:19.840 waking up all night, I was having nightmares all night.

00:55:22.240 And I would wake up and I'd be like, oh, that was not, that's not better.

00:55:25.460 Nightmares aren't better.

00:55:26.780 And so after a week of that, I went to Sleepy's over the weekend and I bought all new pillows.

00:55:33.360 Pillows and I literally, now I just buy new pillows if I'm having trouble sleeping.

00:55:37.520 I never had that problem again.

00:55:38.900 I went back to sleep.

00:55:39.800 I was like, oh, perfect, comfy sleep.

00:55:42.680 I wake up, my covers are all smooth, haven't moved.

00:55:45.980 And that was like an easy fix.

00:55:47.580 But imagine if the problem like that you weren't sleeping was there was an issue in your relationship,

00:55:52.000 right?

00:55:52.200 Or there was an issue at work that really needed to be addressed and you were ruminating on

00:55:56.280 it and you go and see a doctor and they go, Libby, it's the chemical imbalance.

00:56:00.360 You know, take the Ambien, that problem just like festers there and it doesn't go away.

00:56:04.420 And then you were hooked on a drug instead of actually getting to the root of what was

00:56:08.440 going on.

00:56:09.080 It's not because you're eating ice cream at midnight.

00:56:11.020 That's not the issue.

00:56:12.580 You know, and sometimes, you know, I worry this trans, like, I mean, there's been talk

00:56:16.800 recently about transgender, transgenderism, the medications and, and violence really.

00:56:22.420 And I know a couple of weeks ago there was this horrific attack at the Catholic church.

00:56:27.220 Minneapolis.

00:56:27.580 Yeah.

00:56:27.940 In Minneapolis where they, where I think, was it Robin or yeah?

00:56:31.580 It was Robert who called himself Robin Westman.

00:56:35.460 Yeah.

00:56:35.720 Yeah.

00:56:35.980 Yeah.

00:56:36.320 Went and did that.

00:56:37.860 And, and, and then there were these notes about regretting transitioning.

00:56:42.140 And I, and to me, I just see that as the end outcome.

00:56:45.560 You have someone who is confused, who ends up getting cheerleaded into transitioning, who

00:56:50.300 knows what kind of hormone medications they were exposed to and what kind of psychiatric medications

00:56:56.420 they were exposed to.

00:56:57.780 And at the end they become so bitter and angry with the world, like this bad ideology.

00:57:02.760 And the fact that no one ever tried to direct this person back, um, away from them kind

00:57:08.780 of just, I imagine this person getting cheerleaded through transitioning and then onto medication

00:57:13.500 and then just becoming so unstable, they take it out on society.

00:57:17.320 I mean, it's just.

00:57:18.340 Not just regret, but not only did he have regret, but he was embarrassed.

00:57:22.240 Yeah.

00:57:23.000 That he'd ever done it in the first place and didn't see a way out.

00:57:26.280 Uh, didn't see a way to save face and get out of it.

00:57:30.620 Yeah.

00:57:31.060 Yeah.

00:57:31.320 And this might sound a little cheesy, but I do think that this is where storytelling

00:57:36.860 becomes so important because that sense of hopelessness is too late for me.

00:57:42.940 Like when I think about it in the context of people who are waking up to, you know,

00:57:46.880 being on, being psychiatrized is the term I like to use.

00:57:50.380 Um, and you realize these, this two, these two decades of these meds I've been on, have

00:57:56.100 they permanently damaged me?

00:57:57.560 Am I ever going to have a chance?

00:57:59.260 You need stories of people who've gotten through.

00:58:02.580 You need stories of people who've had the same experience come through the other side.

00:58:06.420 I mean, it's why I wrote my book and it's why I think when we, when you speak as a psychiatrist,

00:58:10.480 when I speak as a former patient, you know, framing it in our own personal journey, like

00:58:14.780 you Libby talking about your own journey.

00:58:16.620 I think that's what enables like, like to me, it's not going to be information.

00:58:20.240 And science and data and facts that changes people's minds.

00:58:23.500 It's going to be connecting, helping people connect or even reconnect with their own hearts,

00:58:28.960 which happens through telling stories.

00:58:31.260 And I think that's a really important, and, and, you know, that people like, like Charlie,

00:58:36.060 like people who are, who, who, who care so deeply about bringing people together to share

00:58:41.240 about their own perspectives, their own experiences, to create space where you can hear someone

00:58:46.540 talking about their own journey through life, their own belief system.

00:58:52.040 It's in those kinds of encounters that the opportunity to have your own aha moment, your

00:58:56.220 own shift, your own, you know, inspiration to actually change your mind, to, to evolve,

00:59:02.220 to grow.

00:59:02.800 I think it's, it sounds cheesy, but to me, it's like, that's where the power is.

00:59:06.460 In the modern age, particularly.

00:59:07.320 There's a reason it's cheesy.

00:59:08.520 It's cheesy because it's real.

00:59:09.760 And it's amplified in the modern age with mass media, because if five people sit around

00:59:13.680 and each give their personal anecdotes, in a day, 150 years ago, it would have happened

00:59:17.880 blink of an eye.

00:59:18.780 Maybe there would have been some spiritual ramification.

00:59:20.580 Now with internet video, it's persistent.

00:59:22.700 People for a hundred years will listen to that and remember.

00:59:25.580 So as it can go bad with mass media and mass formation, it can go, you can mass form it

00:59:29.920 into a really good mindset.

00:59:31.280 Well, I just want to say this though.

00:59:32.980 I think we're at like an inflection point where society is, um, almost like post apocalyptic

00:59:40.120 right now.

00:59:41.260 Like, um, I don't even know if there is a way to even go back with like the access to

00:59:47.020 pornography on the internet.

00:59:48.100 I mean, once now that we have the internet, like we're done.

00:59:51.660 I mean, I don't know how a kid can even grow up and not like, um, I guess be aged at such

00:59:57.760 a rapid rate that doesn't even like a match up with their puberty.

01:00:00.760 So I think a lot of kids are mentally ill from the internet.

01:00:04.440 And then they say, when you start smoking marijuana, it actually stunts your maturity

01:00:08.480 level at the age you start smoking marijuana.

01:00:10.220 So like we have a society of kids that are all on weed, all looking at porn and, um, it's

01:00:15.660 just a dark world.

01:00:16.560 And, and, uh, I just, I'm, I'm not trying to be hopeless, but it's such a bad world.

01:00:22.720 I want to ask, is there, is there a medical term to describe a developed psychosis, a developed

01:00:28.620 delusion?

01:00:29.120 Um, like one that you come up with?

01:00:31.780 No, no, no.

01:00:32.280 I'm saying if, uh, if you're surrounded by a hundred people and they just keep telling

01:00:38.280 you that, uh, Santa Claus at any moment is going to jump out and stab you.

01:00:42.900 And then you start telling medical professionals that you're terrified and shaking and have

01:00:46.500 anxiety because you know Santa's coming for you.

01:00:48.920 Is there a word to describe that?

01:00:50.300 Delusional disorder.

01:00:51.100 So just, just even, even though it was something told to you that was you like, so if a news

01:00:56.700 anchor says, watch out literally to a million people, Santa Claus is coming to get you.

01:01:01.700 And then they start believing it.

01:01:02.860 We call that just standard delusional disorder or reality if enough people believe it.

01:01:07.380 Well, that, that's my point to, to what, what Alex is saying.

01:01:11.240 We are, we're, we're dealing with a couple of different phenomena.

01:01:15.100 I've described this one in great detail that in the end of the two thousands, Facebook

01:01:18.620 switched from reverse chronological to algorithmic.

01:01:21.240 Meaning that we used to just see the posts of people we chose to see.

01:01:26.220 Facebook realizing that the amount of pages and friends a person had had become too great

01:01:30.860 and the feed moved too quickly, decided that to keep people on the page, they needed to

01:01:35.040 be, they needed to prioritize posts with, with more, with more engagement and thus created

01:01:39.940 the algorithmic social platform.

01:01:41.260 What ended up happening was if I post, I'm going to the grocery store, nobody sees it.

01:01:47.020 But if you post a video of police beating a black man, literally everybody sees it.

01:01:52.420 There were 10 year olds at the time.

01:01:54.080 And this is, this is, this is a, this is, this is true.

01:01:56.740 This did happen.

01:01:58.640 So let me describe it a little bit more broadly.

01:02:00.020 There were children at the time who were not supposed to be on Facebook, but of course

01:02:02.400 were, maybe they were 12, maybe they were 13.

01:02:05.240 I think 13 year olds are allowed to be on the platform.

01:02:07.880 Facebook prioritized showing high engagement posts.

01:02:10.820 So they began just showing nothing but police brutality videos.

01:02:15.500 In fact, at the time, even Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson largely were covering the,

01:02:19.540 the police brutality angle as it was an, and if you were government critical or concerned

01:02:24.020 about police overreach, it applied to you.

01:02:26.120 And if you were left aligned, anti-racist or whatever, which was not as prominent, it

01:02:29.560 applied to you.

01:02:30.800 There were websites that emerged such as mike.com, which was a Ron Paul libertarian love revolution

01:02:36.940 site.

01:02:38.400 And when they posted about police brutality, because it did align with libertarian values, the

01:02:42.360 bigger reaction they got was from those who opposed racism.

01:02:45.420 And so initially you post police brutality, you'll get X views.

01:02:49.820 You then post a video of racism, you get Y views.

01:02:52.200 But if you post a video about racist police brutality, you get X, Y.

01:02:55.780 It is not, in fact, X plus Y is X times Y.

01:02:58.780 And the reason why is the way the algorithms all work is in the early days of Reddit, the

01:03:04.760 way their algorithm worked was the first, those are not familiar with Reddit, you can make

01:03:10.180 a post and people can choose up or down.

01:03:12.380 Choose down, it disappears.

01:03:13.340 If you choose up, it moves up.

01:03:14.700 The first 10 votes in the first minute are equal to, and I think this was a while ago,

01:03:21.480 100 votes in the next five or 10 minutes.

01:03:24.440 So it was, what ends up happening is the algorithm is an exponential return rate.

01:03:31.360 If there are 10 people who pay attention to police brutality and 10 people who pay attention

01:03:34.640 to racism, and then you post racist police brutality, 20 people see it.

01:03:39.820 It is a rapidly exponential boost in the algorithm, resulting in a series of early websites dedicated

01:03:47.640 just to police brutality.

01:03:48.940 In fact, one website cracked the top 500 websites in the world, literally only posting police

01:03:55.200 brutality.

01:03:55.720 It was like 430.

01:03:57.080 And there are people there making six figures to millions of dollars.

01:04:00.060 And all they would do every day is dig through archives to post and repost police brutality.

01:04:05.380 Now, for a discerning adult, eventually you say, I get it.

01:04:09.220 But for a child entering the world for the first time, the political world on social media,

01:04:14.120 the only thing you see in your feed, every video is a cop beating a black man.

01:04:20.300 Now, in reality, these videos were spread out over a decade.

01:04:23.120 These videos were a handful this year, a handful this year.

01:04:26.460 They weren't always a cop murdering somebody.

01:04:29.340 And there certainly are many videos of cops getting into fights with people.

01:04:32.820 People who are posting these videos began to realize it doesn't matter what's true.

01:04:36.260 It matters what we can post.

01:04:37.300 We saw the rise of fake news websites that would just make things up.

01:04:40.820 One of the viral stories was that BLM protesters blocked an ambulance carrying a dying young

01:04:46.200 teenage girl, got millions of views, was fake.

01:04:48.980 They just literally made it up.

01:04:50.700 But they made, you know, 10 grand or whatever, writing a story like that.

01:04:54.440 This was what social media was.

01:04:56.480 And so for someone who is 12 or 13 going on social media for the first time, for the next

01:05:01.620 five years, the only thing they see, and I mean that hyperbolically, typically majority

01:05:07.700 of what they see will be, and I mean this sincerely, either police brutality videos against black

01:05:14.320 people or people getting married, which were the highest profile, the highest algorithmic

01:05:20.240 search or post.

01:05:21.840 So if someone wrote, I'm getting married and having a kid, you would appear at the top

01:05:25.480 of everyone's feed because it typically would result in high engagement.

01:05:28.580 People would exploit this by writing, I am getting married and having a kid.

01:05:32.020 Psych, no, I'm not.

01:05:32.840 I did that so that you would see this.

01:05:34.300 We're having a party tomorrow.

01:05:35.220 Come hang out.

01:05:35.640 Now imagine what happens to a 13-year-old from 13 to 15 being told every single day, every

01:05:42.980 time they open the app and scroll, that cops are just murdering black people.

01:05:47.640 You get the George Floyd riots.

01:05:50.140 It is not that their brains are broken in some way.

01:05:53.860 It is that their brains have been programmed in this way by the algorithms.

01:05:58.600 I do not believe, and I'm not a medical expert, I do not believe it is possible to deprogram

01:06:06.080 a child who has dealt with developmental years, wired, half their life in this direction.

01:06:13.120 And I will add to this, right now we are dealing with the ongoing, what we call Elsagate, which

01:06:18.920 started in 2018, has never stopped.

01:06:20.880 They claimed they stopped it, but it's not.

01:06:22.640 Now there's the Jackson Agatha conspiracy that's going on where, what is it, the Great Circus

01:06:26.720 or something, I don't know these shows, I don't watch these kid shows.

01:06:28.500 Wait, Elsagate's like the child prawn that's on YouTube?

01:06:32.160 Elsagate was when people started making half an hour long videos with no words, dressed

01:06:35.860 like Elsa, Spider-Man, and Joker, chasing each other around.

01:06:38.820 Elsa was pregnant.

01:06:40.040 They would inject her with giant syringes, and it resulted in algorithmically generated

01:06:43.820 content from people in India to make money, of children eating feces out of toilets,

01:06:48.240 of Peppa Pig having sex.

01:06:52.040 To this day, we thought it ended, but it never did.

01:06:55.800 To this day, there are videos of Sonic the Hedgehog being forcefully impregnated by machines

01:07:00.000 that are being given to children on the YouTube Kids app.

01:07:03.760 So when we...

01:07:04.280 Wait, Tim, you know there's nudity on YouTube.

01:07:05.800 If you type in naked yoga...

01:07:07.260 Yes, of course.

01:07:07.720 It's insane.

01:07:08.460 And they argue it's educational.

01:07:09.820 Yeah.

01:07:10.140 YouTube has videos explaining how to use sex toys for children.

01:07:12.880 That's not an exaggeration.

01:07:14.080 Well, so does the school system in Vancouver.

01:07:16.020 Indeed it does, but the point that I'm making is not about what is overt to an adult.

01:07:20.500 The point I'm making is that there is a six-year-old right now whose mother has given in a tablet,

01:07:25.280 and he is watching videos of Sonic the Hedgehog, and I am not exaggerating, being grabbed

01:07:29.780 by metallic arms, having an arm jammed into his body to impregnate him, and there are videos

01:07:36.100 of conveyor belts where they attach large butt cheeks to Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, and...

01:07:41.220 What's her name?

01:07:41.820 Rose?

01:07:42.160 Rosa or whatever?

01:07:42.760 I don't know the character.

01:07:43.600 I only know Sonic and Knuckles and Tails because that's the game that I had.

01:07:47.180 Children are watching these things.

01:07:48.960 When we talk about Facebook blasting people with police brutality videos, or how about

01:07:55.920 these memes that are lying about Charlie Kirk, for instance, a 15-year-old 10 years ago saw

01:08:02.480 nothing but lies from the left that generate content.

01:08:05.140 The fake news epidemic and misinformation they warned us about has never been dealt with on

01:08:09.640 the left because they were willing to ban the right but not the left.

01:08:12.640 Even Twitch to this day.

01:08:14.040 And that's the big problem.

01:08:15.120 Like, I mean, places like YouTube, I mean, they have a liberal bias, and so you're going

01:08:21.000 to sit there in your echo chamber digesting all of this content about, you know, Charlie

01:08:25.280 Kirk's so racist, Charlie Kirk is against, you know, transgender folks, you know, Matt

01:08:30.960 Walsh, you know, all of these folks, and it will radicalize them against it because opposing

01:08:39.140 points of view, like when you're in a left-leaning, like if you're YouTube or something like that

01:08:43.660 and your content moderators are all left-leaning, the other side is getting shut down.

01:08:48.960 It is getting throttled.

01:08:50.040 And so that's why you get people radicalized like that, and they're just going to hear,

01:08:55.360 you know, we need to go out and we need to fight against these conservative influences

01:09:01.940 because transgender people are dying, and it's because of them, it's because of, I don't

01:09:06.780 know, Catholics, and you get this school shooting that happened two weeks, the church shooting

01:09:10.720 that happened two weeks ago.

01:09:11.880 And so, yes, it gets views, but it is radicalizing people in this really dark and twisted way.

01:09:19.440 I kind of think the kids—

01:09:20.840 Sorry, just real quick, I want to highlight some of this.

01:09:23.220 I want to give a shout-out to Caleb Is Salty on YouTube, if we could pull up this image,

01:09:27.700 who made a great hour-long documentary breaking down this phenomenon.

01:09:33.060 It is shocking to me in that seven years ago I covered this on this channel.

01:09:38.980 We called it Elsagate, that this phenomenon had been happening where they were showing

01:09:42.860 Peppa Pig and cartoon animals being forcefully impregnated and injected.

01:09:47.600 The content was getting so many views that it actually resulted in real-world instances

01:09:51.820 where an adult man—and there was one video that had seven million views—was injecting

01:09:56.840 his daughter in the butt with a syringe.

01:09:58.760 The assumption was that it was saline, but the video itself generated so much attention

01:10:03.260 that he would make a video as such.

01:10:05.400 Caleb Is Salty put out this video three months ago.

01:10:07.460 Brewing Cute Pregnant Factory, and there's Sonic the Hedgehog, pregnant.

01:10:12.680 Here's Rose and Knuckles with Big Butt Cheeks and Sonic with Crazy Teeth.

01:10:16.400 This is on the YouTube Kids app.

01:10:18.660 And the point I'm bringing up, to go back to the original point I'm making,

01:10:23.020 we are—this—I cite these things because, as a reasonable adult, on the left or the right,

01:10:30.100 you understand this is twisting and fracturing the brain of a child.

01:10:35.280 They will suffer developmental disabilities and delusions later in life, as well as other

01:10:40.800 psychiatric disorders based on being inundated every day with this psychotic content.

01:10:46.620 What the average adult on the left does not understand is they are being inundated with

01:10:52.140 the exact same content in the political space.

01:10:55.920 So when someone like Brian Tyler Cohen has a channel that is literally nothing but

01:11:01.580 screenshots of Donald Trump and titles saying Trump, evil Trump, wrong Trump, fascist,

01:11:06.240 and maybe only one in ten is actually about someone else, it is an Elsagate for adults.

01:11:11.580 Now, the problem is when an adult looks at Sonic pregnant, they say,

01:11:15.760 okay, this is crazy, you shouldn't watch this.

01:11:18.740 But when someone tells them, here's normal political content, and YouTube promotes it

01:11:22.880 in the exact same way, the adult's brain is fried.

01:11:26.560 They see video after video after video of Charlie Kirk with lies about what he said, quotes out

01:11:32.000 of context, and much like a child thinks men can get pregnant or they have some kind of weird

01:11:37.500 brain disorder based on the hot dog Spider-Man videos that are coming out, the injection videos

01:11:41.920 that are coming out, adults start to think fake things, and I don't believe, and I hope I'm wrong,

01:11:48.900 but I do not believe when a human being has been wired for half their life starting from childhood

01:11:54.100 to believe certain things to be true, that you can rewire that in their brain in any way.

01:11:59.820 You can.

01:12:00.620 Social contagion is like erosion.

01:12:02.720 It happens slowly over time, and then extreme events like what we saw on Wednesday

01:12:06.260 can shatter the mountain into a new shape.

01:12:09.080 Indeed, I disagree, in that I'm referring to three-year-olds that are being shown videos

01:12:14.580 of Sonic the Hedgehog being grabbed by metallic arms, jammed into his rectum to impregnate

01:12:19.800 his body, and the parents are making children watch three hours a day of this, and it's been

01:12:24.800 going on for seven years, and these kids are going to grow up.

01:12:28.920 There are many famous stories of children who have been kidnapped and held in captivity

01:12:34.560 for a long time.

01:12:35.340 There is the famous story of the apocryphal girl raised by wolves.

01:12:39.680 They found a young girl living in a dog kennel.

01:12:43.280 She was unable to learn English.

01:12:45.460 That's right.

01:12:46.020 The most she could learn was eat, tired, very simple grunts.

01:12:51.720 And what they said in this story, and many others like this, is that after a certain point,

01:12:56.740 the brain is much more developed and solidified, and cannot be wired to understand these things.

01:13:03.940 I'm actually fascinated with neurogenesis, and psilocybin has been medically aligned.

01:13:08.900 They say that in studies, it will cause people to grow new brain pathways and further...

01:13:13.220 Perhaps.

01:13:13.480 I don't want to deviate into whatever that is.

01:13:14.980 But maybe it's a form of therapy.

01:13:16.100 There is a video of neurogenesis.

01:13:17.380 There is a video of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan trying to teach adult men how to do jumping jacks.

01:13:24.640 I think there's a more formal term for jumping jacks.

01:13:26.780 And they can't.

01:13:28.200 Why?

01:13:28.760 Because their brains never developed the neural pathways to understand this type of mimicry.

01:13:34.220 It's like teaching a person to walk again after they've been paralyzed for a decade or something.

01:13:37.940 No, it's not.

01:13:38.220 It's not possible.

01:13:39.380 Well, the brain is mellowing.

01:13:40.620 A person, perhaps, maybe I'm wrong.

01:13:43.800 My argument is, there are certain things your brain develops to understand.

01:13:49.980 As an adult who's become paralyzed and has to relearn how to walk, the brain already has the concept of walking,

01:13:56.240 but is just trying to figure out how to get the signals back to that part of the body.

01:14:00.380 A brain that has never developed the neural pathways to walk likely will not.

01:14:05.000 Maybe that's cognitive dissonance.

01:14:06.120 That's, it's not, and this is why you can read all of these different stories about young boys or girls

01:14:12.340 who were raised in a basement locked in a cage when they're now 17 or 18,

01:14:17.760 and they try to explain, to teach English to them, and they can't learn to speak at all.

01:14:21.900 You know what I think it is?

01:14:22.440 These are the children of the apocalypse.

01:14:24.120 You brought up the word apocalypse.

01:14:25.480 It's a Greek word that means to take away the veil.

01:14:28.040 Apo means to take away, and the veil is calyps, is the veil.

01:14:31.460 So it happened abruptly with the internet.

01:14:33.740 The veil has been removed.

01:14:34.660 Children at age six are seeing all this stuff.

01:14:37.780 They're being—

01:14:38.240 The veil is not taken away.

01:14:39.680 Well, it's partially.

01:14:40.880 Maybe not completely, but it's—

01:14:41.880 The veil has been placed before them.

01:14:43.620 Ah.

01:14:44.280 Yes.

01:14:44.560 We used to not see this stuff until—

01:14:46.220 And that's what the veil is.

01:14:47.840 A child should be seeing a handful of things when they're in developmental years,

01:14:52.880 such as the work the father is doing, the work the mother is doing.

01:14:55.820 They see communication between mother and father about how they're going to live.

01:14:59.640 Every day, my daughter is staring at my wife as she's explaining to me something about

01:15:04.600 business, and she is absorbing that communication and that language and those logical pathways.

01:15:09.020 This is also why we show her shapes, why we have ABCs, one, two, threes, so that the brain

01:15:14.480 will develop these pathways.

01:15:16.160 Never in the existence of humanity has a child been forced to watch hours of Sonic the Hedgehog,

01:15:22.840 and it's ridiculous to say, being forcefully impregnated, or monstrous Sonic screaming at

01:15:27.680 the butt cheeks of Knuckles.

01:15:29.260 And these are just—this is just one example in this video.

01:15:33.620 This is not removing the veil.

01:15:35.040 It is placing before them a nightmare reality.

01:15:37.600 It's putting them in Plato's cave.

01:15:38.920 That's an interesting look at it.

01:15:42.460 I don't believe—

01:15:43.620 Like, there's a lot more going on than just what we're seeing on YouTube.

01:15:45.960 There is.

01:15:46.440 Let's step back from the sheer absurdity that is pregnant Sonic the Hedgehog, and the

01:15:50.120 example that I use, as absurd as it is, is to exemplify the psychosis that we are experiencing

01:15:55.140 as a society pertaining to politics.

01:15:57.400 Yeah.

01:15:57.760 When we see pregnant Sonic collectively as human beings, we can say, that is insane.

01:16:04.120 But when they put up a video and they claim Charlie Kirk said that black women don't have

01:16:10.340 the brain power to hold jobs, which he never did and is a lie, they don't understand on

01:16:16.380 the left, they are looking at the political equivalent of a pregnant Sonic the Hedgehog.

01:16:20.860 And we cannot cure them of that.

01:16:25.100 Now, certainly these people, many of them that are older, grew up in a world where this wasn't

01:16:30.500 the case, and they have within their brains the wiring to be broken out of this.

01:16:34.760 Typically, it results in a physical pain, a painful experience, as Brandon Strzok described

01:16:39.160 when he was—when it was proven to him that Trump was not mocking a disabled man.

01:16:45.040 He said he felt physical pain, that his body ached when he realized his worldview was wrong.

01:16:51.440 But this is a man in Brandon who grew up in a sane reality.

01:16:55.160 For a child that grows up in this reality of police brutality, fascism, and violence,

01:17:00.740 look at the young people that we're seeing in Gen Z that are 20 years old.

01:17:04.500 Seven years ago, they're 13 years old.

01:17:06.960 They don't care for politics.

01:17:08.560 They're beginning to watch this psychotic content.

01:17:11.240 I'm saying seven years ago was Elsagate.

01:17:13.420 They see this brain-frying garbage.

01:17:16.640 But they also see the far-left lying about police brutality, about fascism, about Nazis,

01:17:23.140 about the right, about Trump.

01:17:25.060 Think about this.

01:17:26.100 It has been 10 years, just about—it's been a little bit more than 10 years since Trump

01:17:30.600 descended that escalator.

01:17:32.380 2015.

01:17:33.200 2015.

01:17:33.780 That means a 10-year-old who didn't know anything about it was sitting there on the news

01:17:38.520 as they said, a neo-Nazi fascist white supremacist is trying to be president.

01:17:42.120 And they were like, oh, that means for half of their life—let's go with an 8-year-old,

01:17:48.700 someone who's going to be voting in this next election for more than half of their life.

01:17:53.180 They have been told over and over and over again, Sonic is pregnant.

01:17:58.200 And I say that figuratively when they call Trump a Nazi, when they call Charlie Kirk a

01:18:01.800 Nazi, or me, or anybody else.

01:18:04.040 How do you cure someone of their entire mental state?

01:18:09.020 The first step is you remove them from the call.

01:18:10.940 You turn the TV off.

01:18:12.160 It's called trauma-based mind control, Tim.

01:18:14.580 So it's done on purpose.

01:18:15.700 Like, they try to demoralize young people and basically fear us into compliance.

01:18:20.240 So that's basically what's happening to these young kids.

01:18:23.140 And I think the psychotropic drugs, too, kind of help them be more compliant.

01:18:27.940 I think—

01:18:28.940 I just—to simplify, you are not going to go to me or Alex and say to me, did you know

01:18:36.800 that 2 plus 2 equals 5?

01:18:39.060 They tried that.

01:18:40.520 And liberals all said it did.

01:18:42.960 And they made up insane reasons to justify their ridiculous fake math.

01:18:48.600 No one will ever come to me and say, actually, Tim, gravity doesn't exist.

01:18:53.700 And it's only because you imagine it.

01:18:55.440 You are never going to tell someone that a fundamental truth of their life is wrong and

01:18:59.280 have them believe you.

01:19:00.600 Unless you have evidence.

01:19:02.040 No.

01:19:02.540 Sometimes.

01:19:03.180 No amount of evidence can convince an idiot.

01:19:04.920 That's what science is.

01:19:06.140 You are absolutely 100% incorrect, Ian.

01:19:08.280 No, that's what science is.

01:19:09.240 It is fact.

01:19:10.420 And you know what you guys tell me?

01:19:11.660 When people are confronted with evidence that defies their worldview, they have an emotional

01:19:15.220 anger response.

01:19:16.640 But I am not talking about someone hearing in the news a month ago that Charlie kicked

01:19:20.940 a dog and then you going to them today and saying, no, he didn't, I'll prove it.

01:19:24.040 And then being like, well, I don't believe you.

01:19:25.740 And then showing them and they go, well, I guess I was wrong.

01:19:27.580 I'm talking about someone who as a baby was told that the earth is flat, that there is

01:19:33.500 a giant hole at the center in the North Pole.

01:19:36.380 There are fundamental truths that we believe.

01:19:38.760 You can throw a rock at a window.

01:19:40.020 It's going to break.

01:19:40.940 You will not be able to go to the average person, or I should say, and nothing's absolute.

01:19:45.840 So 90% of the time, someone who was raised to believe something.

01:19:49.840 And then you go to them and say, I can prove to you it's not true.

01:19:53.020 You know what they're going to say?

01:19:54.840 You're the demon they told me about and the liar, and I will never believe you.

01:19:58.700 Yeah, you need like an authority badge sometimes.

01:20:01.380 Well, you got to get them to lower their defenses.

01:20:03.420 The sun doesn't exist.

01:20:04.560 If you have evidence, show it to the scientific community.

01:20:07.340 And if it's true, I'll believe it.

01:20:08.860 So I can show you all the evidence the earth is flat.

01:20:11.780 There is a lot of evidence for that.

01:20:13.200 But the scientific community also says-

01:20:14.660 See?

01:20:14.680 And you laughed.

01:20:15.400 And you laughed.

01:20:15.840 I laughed because Alex started talking when you said flatter.

01:20:17.940 Because there's evidence.

01:20:18.940 There is a lot of evidence for it, but neither here nor there.

01:20:20.900 I don't know.

01:20:22.620 I can't even-

01:20:23.140 You'll never believe the earth is flat.

01:20:24.740 But some people do escape, right?

01:20:26.220 I mean, we've got people who get raised in cults and raised in Scientology, and later

01:20:31.660 on they decide they're able to break out of that.

01:20:34.580 I mean, what's different about those people that can escape and the others that just stay

01:20:38.480 stuck in there forever, even though it's-

01:20:40.540 I would say nothing is absolute, and you make a good point.

01:20:43.780 But I would also counter with, in that regard, I do believe there is hope for a lot of people.

01:20:50.440 I'm not saying it's impossible to stop the political-

01:20:53.900 Hey, the political world and the divide that we see is still rooted in reality.

01:20:57.980 It's just, I should say, has a basis in reality.

01:21:00.820 But it's just fake.

01:21:01.940 Charlie Kirk was not a Nazi.

01:21:02.840 That's a lie.

01:21:03.680 He never said these things.

01:21:04.520 They're making them up.

01:21:05.580 It is very, very hard to break someone out of a 10-year developmental path.

01:21:09.520 But you are right about former Scientologists or whatever people who are in cults, they

01:21:14.980 do break free.

01:21:15.940 The issue that I think is very great to us now is, these kids were raised in a society

01:21:21.620 where they were told one person does one thing, and that is easy to leave and experience something

01:21:28.800 totally different.

01:21:29.960 My concern is the wiring of the brain of an individual at a very, very young age when,

01:21:34.740 you know, the neuroplasticity of a baby is being wired in a direction that they will

01:21:40.920 grow up and they will not be able to rewire, such as the point I'm making where children

01:21:45.480 who are raised in dog cages, who are rescued later on, can't learn to speak.

01:21:49.680 I think you're exactly right.

01:21:51.140 I mean, I remember sort of coming out of the left, and there were a lot of things that

01:21:55.740 were like very difficult for me to grapple with.

01:21:58.600 And I was like, no, that can't be.

01:22:02.020 Like, that doesn't work.

01:22:03.260 And some things I remember very distinctly being like, we're going to put aside that

01:22:07.760 core belief for now, and we're going to come back to it later, because I can't deal with

01:22:12.460 overturning that right away.

01:22:15.060 And I was raised by smart people.

01:22:16.740 You know, my parents are attorneys, and they both would talk to me a lot and everything.

01:22:22.200 You know, I'm very widely read.

01:22:24.260 And even so, after decades of essentially like, you know, I wouldn't say necessarily liberal

01:22:31.840 indoctrination, because that doesn't feel very good to say that.

01:22:35.340 But like, you know, going to different educational institutions, being given the Ambien, being

01:22:40.240 on birth control for 16 years, you know, like, friends on SSRIs, you look at it, and you're

01:22:45.960 like, that can't be real.

01:22:47.760 Really, our entire educational system is wrong?

01:22:50.940 Like, that was the big one for me, was like looking at education, which my family had always

01:22:55.280 put so much stock in, and it's hard, it is, like, I remember Brandon saying, like, that

01:22:59.560 physical feeling, and it's really hard.

01:23:01.640 I do think a good example of this is, I request, Ian, that you try and convince Jack Posobiec

01:23:09.860 that Jesus is not Lord and was not resurrected.

01:23:13.120 Well, it's up to him to prove that he was, because I don't trust the media.

01:23:16.240 I mean, if the book tells me something's true, you gotta show me the evidence.

01:23:19.140 And how does that prove, how does that change Jack's mind?

01:23:21.860 Well, I mean, does he believe the media?

01:23:24.100 Jack believes what he believes, and you have to convince him otherwise.

01:23:26.680 It's a piece of media.

01:23:27.360 If he believes the media at face value, then he can do that.

01:23:29.520 I can't force people to stop.

01:23:32.140 So you agree with me that you will not change the minds of people who have developed this

01:23:35.620 I can provide a better world.

01:23:35.960 I can provide a better way to think.

01:23:37.980 And if they think this is better than that, then they'll choose to change.

01:23:40.960 So you agree with my point early on, and you're changing your view?

01:23:43.320 Well, the thing is, like, Shabbat.

01:23:44.520 Like, I just learned yesterday, Charlie observed Shabbat, and that's like removing yourself from

01:23:48.440 the cult, is turning the TV off on Saturday.

01:23:50.780 Answer the question.

01:23:51.160 The question is, you can't force someone to change, but you can provide a better world

01:23:55.060 for them to change to.

01:23:56.160 You told me that people will change their minds when confronted by evidence.

01:24:00.480 Sometimes, yeah.

01:24:01.600 And do you think you can convince a Christian that Jesus is not Lord?

01:24:05.720 I don't know that.

01:24:06.920 I'm an agnostic.

01:24:07.760 I don't know if he was Lord or not.

01:24:08.860 I mean, there's so much more that goes into it than evidence.

01:24:14.500 I mean, we're talking about social connections as well.

01:24:17.540 Like, some of these beliefs exist in these communities, and if you veer from them, you're

01:24:22.060 ostracized.

01:24:23.020 And so there's immense pressure just to hang on to them as well.

01:24:26.880 In fact, I agree.

01:24:27.760 I think that's one of the only reasons people actually change their views.

01:24:30.540 These people who—there are people who were—they raised Catholic, raised Christian, or Orthodox,

01:24:34.300 and then leave the church, and you'll tend to find the reason they do is that they moved

01:24:38.240 to the city, surrounded themselves by other people, and then adopted the views of those

01:24:41.500 that surround them as a survival mechanism.

01:24:44.440 Yeah.

01:24:44.740 Now, they won't say that.

01:24:45.660 They'll just be like, no, I really don't believe it anymore, but this is the psychology.

01:24:48.660 At the heart, we're talking about how—because whether it's this unspeakably horrible example

01:24:55.860 here, or just more broadly, the fact that as human beings who have evolved until a split

01:25:02.760 second ago in our history to live in very much a world that is not this, like we're out

01:25:12.320 of alignment with our true nature as human beings.

01:25:16.240 And you could kind of make the case that whether it was industrialization or even going all the

01:25:21.160 way back to agriculture, that technology and the evolution of technology has progressively

01:25:28.860 interfered with how we have evolved as animals, basically.

01:25:34.460 And that whether it's this, or whether it's the fact that so many of us are eating food

01:25:41.280 made in a factory, or whether it's psych drugs, or whether it's fluorescent lights, or at the

01:25:50.580 end of the day, we have profoundly interfered with our design.

01:25:55.040 And like you're saying, Tim, in ways that are irreparable.

01:25:59.200 And so I think you're probably right that when you grow up in your earliest years of

01:26:05.600 life in an environment that is not enabling you to become who you fully are, you may not

01:26:12.540 be able to come back from that.

01:26:14.680 I think about this for me all the time.

01:26:16.140 Growing up on psych drugs and the pill, I am sure that my body has been irrevocably altered

01:26:24.840 in ways that I won't get back.

01:26:26.660 But that is being a human being in this industrial age that we are in.

01:26:31.740 And so I think then it becomes about, so what do we do with that?

01:26:34.960 And I think that's where it's simple things, like whether it's storytelling, or whether

01:26:38.200 it's like getting back into reality, like you were saying, like, turn off the fucking

01:26:41.400 screen, excuse my language, meet your neighbors, like grow food and eat it.

01:26:46.240 You know, it sounds so cliche, but the fact that it's cliche is crazy.

01:26:52.060 Like the only solution here is to come back into our nature as much as we can, given that

01:26:59.660 we live in this age that is profoundly disruptive.

01:27:03.540 That was, I mentioned Charlie five minutes ago or something about Shabbat.

01:27:07.000 I didn't know he practiced.

01:27:07.980 He was a Christian, but he observed Shabbat Saturday as the Jewish tradition where he would

01:27:11.680 just turn off the TV and be with his family.

01:27:13.240 And I think when you're in this world without the TVs, you realize it's better than that

01:27:18.080 world.

01:27:18.680 I want to be here.

01:27:19.520 Yes.

01:27:20.500 Well, I think like probably one of the biggest problems of society is like when the Rothschilds,

01:27:25.100 even though they controlled all the books, also when they made all of our medicine petroleum

01:27:29.620 based and we stopped doing homeopathic stuff.

01:27:32.600 And that was really the main downfall of society as well, the over-medication.

01:27:37.580 And then the fact that obviously we can advertise these pharmaceuticals.

01:27:42.720 It's like, we just have a system that is, it makes it easy for people to get rich off

01:27:47.320 selling garbage.

01:27:48.240 It doesn't really help us.

01:27:49.880 Snake oil salesman of the 21st century.

01:27:52.280 And look at the situation we have now, right?

01:27:54.220 Where we have RFK Jr. who has been very adamant that we don't need all these drugs, right?

01:27:59.920 And he has been very adamant about getting the artificial dyes and products out of our food,

01:28:07.580 which I think is so essential and important.

01:28:09.700 I mean, you know, you go to the grocery store, you're shopping for your kid, you look at the

01:28:13.920 ingredients and you're like, no, I'm not buying that.

01:28:16.580 I'm just going to buy a bunch of fruit, you know, and some fish.

01:28:19.820 Like that's maybe not even the fish.

01:28:21.460 Just let's see where we do.

01:28:23.200 But you see how angry Democrats in Congress have been getting when he says, hey, so for

01:28:30.020 this COVID vaccine, we're going to pull the emergency, we're going to pull the emergency

01:28:36.020 use authorization.

01:28:37.900 And we're going to say that healthy people, you know, in normal age groups from children

01:28:43.920 to adults who are not elderly, don't need it.

01:28:47.460 If your doctor thinks you should have it and you want to talk to your doctor about it, you

01:28:51.660 can get a prescription and go get it just like anything else.

01:28:54.700 But little kids don't need it.

01:28:56.980 Healthy kids don't need it.

01:28:58.340 And if you do need it over the counter and you are in these certain groups, you know,

01:29:03.600 asthmatic or elderly, you can get it at the pharmacy.

01:29:07.460 And I don't remember ever in my life until COVID getting any kind of drug at the pharmacy

01:29:15.760 that wasn't like some Advil, you know?

01:29:18.640 You don't go to the pharmacist and say, hey, give me this controlled substance from Johnson

01:29:24.040 and Johnson or Pfizer or whatever.

01:29:26.220 You go to your doctor, like when my son was getting his inoculation, like if they're not

01:29:30.360 inoculation, vaccines, when he was getting that, get the MMR, whatever, vaccines, you

01:29:36.260 go to the doctor and the doctor says, this is what we're looking at.

01:29:40.060 You know, these are the vaccines you're going to get today.

01:29:42.700 You get them at the doctor's office.

01:29:45.320 What is, how did we normalize this idea?

01:29:47.760 And Liz Warren, Nancy Pelosi, Kathy Hochul, everyone gets so mad that suddenly you can't

01:29:53.100 get pharmaceuticals over the counter without consulting a doctor.

01:29:57.800 It's a great question.

01:29:58.680 And what's next?

01:29:59.400 Like, are they going to be starting?

01:30:00.680 I mean, and there's more, right?

01:30:02.040 That you can get plan B over the counter.

01:30:03.900 That's a dangerous substance.

01:30:05.120 I think about this phenomenon a lot because in the psychiatric context, it's relevant.

01:30:12.560 You know, watching the outrage at my book.

01:30:15.140 Like, interestingly, I've had a lot of coverage in corporate media, which has been really

01:30:20.960 interesting.

01:30:21.480 Some of it's been positive.

01:30:22.460 Some of it's been vitriolic as to be expected.

01:30:25.440 But what often happens is, you know.

01:30:27.240 What's it called?

01:30:27.600 I can't say it from here.

01:30:28.720 Unshrunk.

01:30:29.380 Unshrunk.

01:30:29.520 A story of psychiatric treatment resistance.

01:30:32.160 And I brought a copy for you.

01:30:33.740 Oh, thank you.

01:30:34.280 And so my story is just my own personal story.

01:30:39.240 I'm talking about how I decided for myself that I'm not going to take all these psychiatric

01:30:42.840 drugs anymore.

01:30:43.680 I'm not going to identify as mentally ill.

01:30:45.280 I'm going to take my life back.

01:30:46.600 People hear me share just my story.

01:30:49.140 And they say, you're anti-medication.

01:30:50.760 You're a pill shamer.

01:30:51.460 You're this.

01:30:51.920 You're that.

01:30:52.940 And I think...

01:30:53.280 Pill shamer.

01:30:53.760 Is that like...

01:30:54.100 Pill shamer.

01:30:54.660 Oh, that's a whole thing.

01:30:56.020 And when I...

01:30:57.040 So I think about this phenomenon a lot.

01:30:58.600 I'm like, what's at the heart of this?

01:30:59.680 Why is this how people are hearing my story?

01:31:02.960 And I think a lot of it is that, Alex, to your point, the rise of the medical industry,

01:31:10.600 the allopathic medical industry, has so effectively, and in partnership with all of its family,

01:31:19.020 managed care, hospital industry, you know...

01:31:21.340 Corporate media.

01:31:21.940 It's a massive conglomerate here, has so effectively conflated care and help and love

01:31:30.040 with treatment, with pharmaceutical products, with clinical interventions, that you can't...

01:31:35.360 If you question a pharmaceutical product, like an SSRI, taking it for 20 years, really?

01:31:40.520 Is it necessary?

01:31:41.240 Because we do need insulin.

01:31:42.420 We need some medicine, right?

01:31:44.180 And you're questioning the fact that people suffer and struggle and need help.

01:31:48.780 People can't separate them out.

01:31:50.340 They do that to intimidate people.

01:31:52.600 They say, if you bring up problems with the COVID vaccine, if you bring up problems with

01:31:56.520 psychiatric drugs, you're irresponsible and you're scaring people away from life-saving

01:32:00.800 medication.

01:32:01.360 I'm dangerous.

01:32:02.220 Washington Post called me dangerous.

01:32:03.720 And they position it as if they're doing it out of a place of compassion, because they

01:32:08.180 know it resonates with their base, and they know that this is going to whip people up

01:32:11.840 and get them excited.

01:32:13.640 But honestly, it's actually the least compassionate thing that you could be doing, because we need

01:32:17.560 to have honest conversations about the limits of whether it's the vaccines or the medications.

01:32:22.740 But the pharmaceutical industry, they love it.

01:32:25.740 They love that anytime someone criticizes their product, they're cast as being stigmatizing

01:32:31.880 against the people who have the mental illness or the people who have weakened immune systems

01:32:39.240 and things like that.

01:32:40.020 In the 80s, the ethos was you take the drug to no longer need it.

01:32:44.840 It would be like you'd have maybe Zoloft in the 90s or something, so that you'd figure it out,

01:32:48.580 and then you could get rid of it.

01:32:49.420 That was the point.

01:32:50.080 And then at some point between 1995 and 2003 or 4 or 7, it was all of a sudden people were

01:32:57.400 supposed to be on it for life.

01:32:58.580 I don't know if that's a narrative shift.

01:32:59.380 Yeah, and we have to give medicine its due.

01:33:01.480 I mean, if you're in a car crash or something like that, you want to see a doctor.

01:33:06.040 If you have a bacterial infection, you want to see a doctor.

01:33:08.160 We got really good at this targeted magic bullet style approach, which really does work.

01:33:13.420 But then we shifted into chronic disease, and that's where we've totally fallen apart,

01:33:18.100 whether it's with the obesity problem going on, with the diabetes issues, and also depression

01:33:23.360 and anxiety, which really are the same.

01:33:25.640 We are not fixing the root causes of these issues at all.

01:33:28.740 In fact, we're giving people drugs to kind of mask the symptoms.

01:33:33.280 And we can basically fix a lot of the symptoms of depression with diet and exercise.

01:33:36.900 Like, I mean, I know Ian, Tim was kind of trolling you, but you were right about your gut.

01:33:40.880 That's your second brain.

01:33:41.820 So if like you're constantly putting crap in your gut, like your second brain is not

01:33:45.160 going to function as good as your first one.

01:33:46.640 So I think diet and exercise, obviously, if your friend dies, you're going to be sad.

01:33:51.460 You know, diet and exercise doesn't fix that type of depression.

01:33:54.060 But general anxiety, like every time you exercise, you always feel better because the hormonal

01:33:58.400 response is just, you know, positive.

01:34:00.320 Well, no, I agree.

01:34:01.300 I agree with Ian on his point about the poison of the food, endocrine disruption, the hormonal

01:34:05.180 dysregulation.

01:34:06.360 I was just saying that there's two things we're dealing with.

01:34:09.020 There are people who are genuinely, their brains don't work.

01:34:11.400 They're raised in a normal way.

01:34:12.960 They believe normal things.

01:34:14.340 But then something, they're eating garbage foods.

01:34:17.560 So they're manic.

01:34:18.880 Their heart rate is up and down.

01:34:21.920 Something is wrong with them due to environmental factors, whatever it may be.

01:34:25.480 And then there are people who are programmed improperly.

01:34:29.100 There's two distinct, sometimes both.

01:34:31.480 Libby was saying how she broke out of the liberal, that pre-programmed mindset of like,

01:34:36.720 this is how it is.

01:34:37.320 I did that same thing happened to me in like 2005, six, seven, when I started to learn,

01:34:41.840 you know, get the red pill.

01:34:42.800 And it was hard and painful.

01:34:44.840 And I destroyed a bunch of my friendships because they thought I was crazy.

01:34:47.460 And I almost killed myself in 2011.

01:34:49.820 Like I was down and broken and I had to figure out a new reason to live.

01:34:54.300 But so, so the kids today, if we can just provide a world where they don't have to go

01:34:58.520 through that, like we just show them like, this is what's really going on.

01:35:01.620 They don't need to go through that again.

01:35:03.660 And also just not knowing your, the details of your story, but, but that despair you felt

01:35:08.660 as you were waking up from stories that you realized were bullshit, that you didn't

01:35:13.300 then take that despair to a psychiatrist to treat it, that you actually felt it.

01:35:16.500 You went through it.

01:35:17.260 You moved through that, that dark night of the soul where you realized everything I thought

01:35:20.940 I knew has fallen apart.

01:35:22.260 I think that's the key thing too.

01:35:23.980 And like Alex, you were saying, you lose someone, you're meant to feel grief.

01:35:27.800 You're meant to feel pain.

01:35:28.760 And I think this consumerist culture that we live in where every problem, every bit of

01:35:33.260 discomfort, every inch of pain, whether it's physical or mental is a problem to solve something

01:35:39.520 to treat with a product to service.

01:35:41.760 I think that's really also what we're talking about here, that we've forgotten what it means

01:35:45.300 to be human.

01:35:45.900 To be human is to, to have dark, twisted thoughts, to struggle, to suffer, to be lonely.

01:35:51.020 And, and we have really lost touch with this.

01:35:54.760 And, and I know speaking for myself, having spent all of these years, my teens and my

01:35:59.000 twenties, so afraid of my pain, so afraid of my shadow side.

01:36:02.640 Cause I have, like I often say, I would meet the criteria for psych diagnoses, definitely

01:36:08.040 anxiety disorder today.

01:36:09.760 But like, I don't give, I don't give a shit.

01:36:11.580 It doesn't mean anything to me today.

01:36:13.000 It's just like, so what?

01:36:14.360 They invented a bunch of subjective labels and put them in the book.

01:36:16.960 It has this book.

01:36:17.860 It has no weight for me.

01:36:19.000 We have to remember what it means to be human.

01:36:21.340 And, and this is true for this, this broader polarized moment we're in too, that like we've

01:36:26.500 lost touch with our fundamental nature.

01:36:29.640 Sorry.

01:36:29.880 No, that's also what you were saying, uh, Joseph, you were talking about, um, how essentially

01:36:35.200 we're turning people into lifelong consumers of medical products, right?

01:36:38.760 Because the drugs that you take for, uh, these various mental conditions, which can't be found

01:36:47.400 in the brain, right?

01:36:48.460 We don't have any physical reality that says, oh, when we see this, that's depression.

01:36:53.680 When we see this, that's anxiety.

01:36:55.080 It's just sort of self-diagnosed to a certain extent or diagnosed by a therapist, but completely

01:37:00.860 subjective, no, no biological tests.

01:37:03.660 And once you start taking these drugs after a while, they no longer provide the, you know,

01:37:08.680 relief that perhaps they were in the first place and you have to take different ones

01:37:12.700 and then you have to up your diagnosis, up your, um, medication dosage.

01:37:18.200 We, we, we have breaking news.

01:37:19.900 This is, uh, in the past 20 minutes, Steven Crowder, shout out to the, uh, Loudworth Crowder

01:37:24.340 Crew and Mug Club.

01:37:25.900 They have obtained the Utah County Sheriff's Office internal documents regarding suspected

01:37:30.080 Charlie Kirkassass and Tyler Robinson.

01:37:32.380 The information, uh, has been made public by the Crowder team.

01:37:35.900 And, uh, I'm not so much focused on his personal details, but we have the charges.

01:37:40.420 Felony discharge of firearm causing serious bodily injury, obstruction of justice, capital,

01:37:45.000 first degree felony conduct, and aggravated murder, which, uh, uh, not bailable.

01:37:50.720 And I believe in the second document just repeats those charges with more information

01:37:54.520 of the individual and the probable cause statement, which, uh, is, is, is long, but

01:37:58.640 I, I do want to read.

01:38:00.480 It says the following information was obtained by your affiant from police officers, multiple

01:38:06.340 video recordings posted on social media websites, Utah Valley University campus surveillance

01:38:09.560 cameras, and those who witnessed the incident.

01:38:11.400 On September 10th, 2025, Charles James Kirk was at the Utah Valley University campus in Orem,

01:38:16.120 Utah, for a political event.

01:38:17.900 Mr. Kirk is a conservative political activist who is scheduled to speak at an event in the

01:38:20.860 courtyard area of the UVU campus.

01:38:22.760 The courtyard area is to the west of the Law Seek Center building.

01:38:26.500 According to video recordings, Charlie was wearing, Charles was wearing a white t-shirt

01:38:29.920 and dark pants sitting under a white canopy in a courtyard of the campus facing to the

01:38:33.640 east.

01:38:34.480 The event was attended by hundreds of individuals.

01:38:36.700 Charles was surrounded by people with multiple individuals to his left, right, and rear,

01:38:40.140 and front of the canopy.

01:38:41.760 Behind the canopy was a walkway used for access to various parts of the university.

01:38:44.620 Charles was holding a microphone and speaking to the crowd.

01:38:47.940 While speaking to the microphone, a loud gunshot was heard at approximately 1223 hours,

01:38:52.100 and Charles appeared to have been hit in the neck.

01:38:54.180 Blood was seen coming from the left side of his neck as he fell over to his left.

01:38:57.840 Charles was transported to the Timpanogos Regional Hospital in Orem.

01:39:04.400 Charles was pronounced deceased at the hospital.

01:39:06.760 Investigators reviewed the Utah Valley University surveillance cameras.

01:39:09.540 While reviewing the surveillance cameras, investigators observed an individual on the rooftop

01:39:12.920 of the Lossie Center building on the UVU campus at the time of the shooting.

01:39:17.380 Hereafter, the unidentified individual will be referred to as suspect.

01:39:20.980 Based on surveillance camera footage, suspect appears to be a white male with dark-colored

01:39:24.220 hair wearing a dark-colored hat, sunglasses, a long-sleeved black shirt, with a picture of

01:39:28.120 an American flag and an eagle printed on the shirt, dark-colored jeans, and white and

01:39:32.720 gray shoes with white-colored shoelaces.

01:39:34.900 The shoes appear to be consistent with Chuck Taylor Converse-style shoes.

01:39:38.440 The suspect is also carrying a dark-colored backpack on his back.

01:39:42.160 Suspect walks with a distinctive gait.

01:39:44.520 Prior to the shooting, suspect appears to walk with a stiff right leg and at a relatively

01:39:49.240 slow pace.

01:39:51.040 Suspect's ability to bend his right leg appears to be restricted.

01:39:56.320 Investigators were able to track suspect's movements on the UVU campus starting at approximately

01:40:00.100 11.50 hours on 9-10-2025.

01:40:02.820 At approximately 11.50 hours, a UVU surveillance camera first captured suspect walking across

01:40:09.200 a grassy area north of Campus Drive at approximately 800 west.

01:40:12.820 Suspect walked south through the parking lot and approached a pedestrian tunnel that runs

01:40:16.020 underneath Campus Drive.

01:40:17.460 Before entering the tunnel, suspect paused at the top of the stairs and pulled out what

01:40:20.820 appeared to be a cell phone from his right pocket, using his right hand, at approximately

01:40:24.460 11.53 hours.

01:40:26.200 Suspect eventually puts what appears to be a cell phone back in his right pants pocket, using

01:40:30.500 his right hand.

01:40:30.960 Surveillance captured suspect making his way towards the low-sea center at approximately

01:40:35.780 12.02 hours.

01:40:36.740 Suspect was recorded walking on the north side of the low-sea center building, walking with

01:40:40.860 the same gait as observed earlier.

01:40:42.960 Suspect entered the low-sea center building through a set of doors on the southeast corner

01:40:46.480 of the low-sea center building at approximately 12.15 hours.

01:40:50.440 Suspect was observed walking up the stairs that lead to the common area adjacent to the

01:40:54.820 low-sea center building.

01:40:56.480 Suspect walked to a short concrete wall that separates the common area from the rooftop

01:41:00.840 of the low-sea center building at approximately 12.17 hours.

01:41:03.660 Suspect climbed over the short wall and appeared to crouch down on the north side of the wall

01:41:07.000 on the rooftop.

01:41:08.580 At approximately 12.02 hours, suspect stood up and started running across the roof up

01:41:12.620 of the low-sea center building.

01:41:14.240 The notable limp from his previous surveillance was absent.

01:41:17.000 The suspect ran to the west side of the rooftop and appeared to scoot along the rooftop

01:41:20.020 area as he got closer to the edge of the rooftop.

01:41:22.620 At approximately 12.22 hours, suspect laid down in a position consistent with a prone

01:41:26.980 shooting position near the edge of the rooftop and appeared to be facing west in the direction

01:41:31.220 of the courtyard area.

01:41:32.880 The rooftop of the low-sea center building overlooks the courtyard area where the event featuring

01:41:38.440 Charlie Kirk was taking place.

01:41:40.400 The low-sea center building is east of the courtyard area.

01:41:43.100 At approximately 12.23 hours, Charlie Kirk was shot.

01:41:46.940 At approximately 12.23 hours, surveillance shows that suspect stood up and suddenly from

01:41:50.780 the edge of the rooftop and sprinted north on the rooftop of the low-sea center building.

01:41:55.900 Suspect ran to the northeast corner of the low-sea center building and approached the edge

01:41:59.840 of the rooftop.

01:42:01.320 Suspect placed a dark-colored item on the rooftop and proceeded to lower himself off the rooftop.

01:42:06.880 Suspect dropped off the rooftop onto the grass below.

01:42:09.080 Suspect ran north near the parking lot to the east of the low-sea center.

01:42:13.880 At approximately 12.24 hours, suspect ran north across the campus drive road.

01:42:17.920 Suspect appeared to be carrying an item whose identity is not clear from the surveillance.

01:42:23.780 The area to the north of the campus drive road where the suspect crossed over consists

01:42:27.480 with a grassy area with trees on the edges of the UVU campus.

01:42:31.100 Investigators discovered a bolt-action rifle wrapped in a dark-colored towel.

01:42:34.980 The rifle was determined to be a Mauser Model 98 .30-06 caliber bolt-action rifle.

01:42:40.400 The rifle had a scope mounted on top of it.

01:42:43.020 Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle.

01:42:48.040 Inscriptions on a fired casing read,

01:42:49.960 Notices, bulge, O-W-O, what's this?

01:42:53.160 Inscription on the three unfired casings read,

01:42:55.340 Hey, fascist, catch!

01:42:56.940 Up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols.

01:43:01.460 A second unfired casing read,

01:43:03.840 Oh, Bella, ciao, Bella, ciao, Bella, ciao, ciao, ciao.

01:43:07.040 A third unfired casing read,

01:43:08.700 If you read this, you are gay, LMAO.

01:43:11.920 Investigators also discovered a shoe impression on the northeast corner rooftop edges

01:43:15.520 of the low-sea center building.

01:43:17.280 This shoe impression was located in the vicinity where the suspect climbed down from the rooftop.

01:43:21.360 The shoe impression is consistent with the shoe sole characteristics of a Converse Chuck Taylor shoe.

01:43:25.820 On the evening of September 11, 2025, a family member of Tyler Robinson reached out to a family friend

01:43:30.960 who contacted the Washington County Sheriff's Office

01:43:33.320 with information that Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had committed the incident.

01:43:39.200 This information was relayed to the Utah County Sheriff's Office

01:43:42.120 and seen investigated at UVU.

01:43:44.060 This information was also conveyed to the FBI.

01:43:47.600 Investigators reviewed additional video footage from the UVU surveillance

01:43:50.200 and identified Robinson arriving on UVU campus in a gray Dodge Challenger at approximately 8.29 on September 10,

01:43:56.940 in which he is observed on video in plain maroon t-shirt,

01:44:00.880 light-colored shorts, a black hat with a white logo, and light-colored shoes.

01:44:05.400 When encountered in person by investigators in Washington County on September 12, early morning hours,

01:44:09.400 Robinson was observed in consistent clothing with the surveillance images.

01:44:13.620 Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson

01:44:15.820 who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years.

01:44:18.820 The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to dinner

01:44:22.840 prior to September 10, 2025.

01:44:26.800 And in conversation with another family member,

01:44:29.340 Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU.

01:44:32.040 They talked about why they didn't like him and the viewpoints he had.

01:44:35.160 The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.

01:44:38.980 The family member also confirmed Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger.

01:44:43.060 Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson.

01:44:45.760 Investigators interviewed the roommate who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson,

01:44:49.940 made a joke on Discord.

01:44:51.980 Investigators asked if he would show them the messages on Discord.

01:44:54.800 He opened it and showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take photos of the screen

01:44:58.980 as each message was shown by Robinson's roommate.

01:45:02.100 These photos consisted of various messages, including content of messages between the phone contact name, Tyler,

01:45:07.860 with an emoji icon, and Robinson's roommate's device.

01:45:11.940 The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact, Tyler,

01:45:14.980 stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point,

01:45:17.940 leaving the rifle in a bush,

01:45:19.760 messages related to visually watching the area where the rifle was left,

01:45:23.520 and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.

01:45:26.760 The messages also refer to engraving bullets and a mention of his scope and the rifle being unique.

01:45:33.260 Messages from the context, Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits.

01:45:38.620 Based on the evidence detailed in this statement,

01:45:40.460 I believe there is probable cause that Tyler Robinson committed the crimes of aggravated murder

01:45:45.180 by shooting Charlie Kirk in a circumstance that put many around him at grave risk of death,

01:45:50.440 felony discharge of a firearm,

01:45:52.280 and obstruction of justice for moving and hiding the rifle believed to be used in the shooting.

01:45:57.060 By submitting this affidavit, I declare under criminal penalty of the state of Utah

01:46:00.280 that the foregoing is true and correct.

01:46:02.520 Signed, Davis Bryan.

01:46:05.660 Once again, shout out to Stephen Crowder and his team for breaking this news and sharing this.

01:46:13.140 There are some people who are concerned about this stuff getting released,

01:46:16.380 but I think it is clear based on the evidence that they have and what we've seen so far

01:46:19.740 that this is an open and shut case.

01:46:21.400 So what do you guys think psychologically as an analyst of sorts

01:46:25.180 about public execution?

01:46:29.880 That's a doozy.

01:46:31.600 That's a good question.

01:46:33.120 Just real quick, if you think about it for a second.

01:46:36.100 There are many people on social media right now

01:46:38.280 suggesting that we need a death sentence

01:46:41.380 and for it to be carried out publicly for a variety of reasons.

01:46:44.780 Some say it provides relief and comfort to the millions.

01:46:47.400 It can help act as a pressure relief valve,

01:46:49.500 but more importantly as to symbolize deterrence.

01:46:53.300 Psychologically, do you guys think that's true?

01:46:57.340 Yes, I do think it's true.

01:46:59.460 I think it would massively act as a huge deterrent.

01:47:03.420 Because, I mean, what kind of message does it send

01:47:05.460 if you go lenient on someone who murders, assassinates a key political figure?

01:47:11.460 Don't most mass shooters shoot themselves?

01:47:14.020 Yeah.

01:47:14.620 No, that's what I'm saying.

01:47:15.480 So I don't know if that would deter somebody,

01:47:17.360 the death penalty, if they're already going to kill themselves.

01:47:19.560 You know what concerns me is the internet video?

01:47:22.180 Because in the past, they would do it.

01:47:23.820 Everyone would go to the public square and they'd watch it

01:47:25.480 and then they'd leave and they'd be like,

01:47:26.540 I'm never messing with that.

01:47:27.760 But now with the ever-present repetition of it on TV,

01:47:30.820 I think it would make the guy a hero

01:47:32.500 and just also desensitize.

01:47:34.980 Like the Luigi situation,

01:47:36.640 he's now kind of valorized in a way.

01:47:43.240 They made him a hero.

01:47:44.560 They made Saint Luigi candles.

01:47:47.020 And I assure you,

01:47:48.880 with the information being released on this man,

01:47:51.140 I wouldn't be surprised if literally already

01:47:53.700 they're selling merch, hailing him as a hero.

01:47:56.260 He'll be on the cover of their zines

01:47:57.900 or whatever they have to do.

01:47:59.360 I bet if you go on Blue Sky,

01:48:00.380 they're all lionizing him.

01:48:02.500 Because I was for public execution,

01:48:04.060 just like scare them into stopping.

01:48:05.720 But now with internet video,

01:48:07.040 I'm super concerned about the ramifications

01:48:09.600 for a thousand years.

01:48:10.620 If that was a video that burned into every child's memory.

01:48:13.640 The problem with this though

01:48:14.660 is he's going to probably plead guilty.

01:48:16.500 And so he'll be, you know,

01:48:18.100 probably spared from the death penalty.

01:48:19.660 Well, if you look at Ryan Routh,

01:48:22.020 he's already attempting to make the trial

01:48:24.320 of his assassination attempt on Trump

01:48:26.040 as a political statement.

01:48:28.360 He's trying to bring into this court case

01:48:31.360 things Trump has said or done

01:48:33.000 to use them as justification

01:48:34.820 of something, you know, related to his case.

01:48:38.060 So I'd imagine this person

01:48:40.320 will do the exact same thing.

01:48:42.080 I often say,

01:48:43.200 you have to give people a path to redemption,

01:48:45.200 otherwise they'll take the other path.

01:48:47.580 Right now, clearly,

01:48:48.900 there is no path to redemption

01:48:49.780 for what this man has done.

01:48:51.540 He will look at the roads before him.

01:48:54.260 One is blocked off for a very obvious reasons.

01:48:56.200 There will be no forgiveness here.

01:48:57.140 But the left,

01:48:58.860 they've left the road open

01:48:59.900 as they celebrate for him.

01:49:01.000 There's a clear and obvious path

01:49:02.100 he will walk down as we go to trial.

01:49:04.520 Maybe life in prison.

01:49:05.580 The guy that shot John Lennon,

01:49:07.420 he's still,

01:49:07.860 his 17th parole was denied, I think.

01:49:09.820 He's still rotting in prison.

01:49:11.460 Hinkley, John Hinkley.

01:49:13.000 And he wanted to be known as like,

01:49:14.840 he wanted to be connected to Lennon.

01:49:16.340 That was part of what he said,

01:49:17.480 why he'd be there.

01:49:17.760 That was Chapman.

01:49:19.180 I'm sorry.

01:49:19.840 I said Hinkley.

01:49:20.440 Hinkley shot Reagan.

01:49:21.380 Hinkley got out.

01:49:22.140 Hinkley's out.

01:49:22.780 Sorry about that, dude.

01:49:23.920 And Chapman was crazy.

01:49:25.080 Sorry about that.

01:49:25.740 And Hinkley was crazy.

01:49:26.860 Mark David Chapman, that's the guy.

01:49:28.020 He was nuts.

01:49:29.060 17 paroles denied.

01:49:30.520 It wasn't politically motivated

01:49:32.000 that he shot John Lennon.

01:49:32.920 No, he wanted to be associated

01:49:34.040 with John Lennon.

01:49:34.720 It was that sick fan.

01:49:36.020 And that's what he said anyway.

01:49:37.540 And I don't know if killing him

01:49:38.960 would have done anything.

01:49:39.980 This guy, maybe it's better

01:49:40.940 that he rots in prison for 20 years

01:49:42.300 and then he repents.

01:49:43.460 This is a serious issue.

01:49:44.680 I mean, with the school shooters,

01:49:46.540 I mean, we've been looking at this

01:49:47.780 for years now.

01:49:48.700 Like, how do you actually deter

01:49:49.960 this type of thing?

01:49:51.200 And it's only gotten worse.

01:49:53.160 I mean, there's more and more of them.

01:49:54.400 I was thinking about that

01:49:55.980 the other day too

01:49:56.620 because we used to do this thing

01:49:57.940 where we'd say,

01:49:59.400 don't publicize the name

01:50:00.300 of the shooter.

01:50:01.780 But that didn't do anything at all

01:50:04.180 except for make people curious.

01:50:05.940 It was like the,

01:50:06.720 what is it?

01:50:07.200 The Streisand effect.

01:50:08.060 I still think it's good practice.

01:50:09.840 Yeah, but now everybody's names

01:50:11.380 are publicized.

01:50:12.260 So you know everybody's names.

01:50:14.140 Oh, sorry.

01:50:14.840 No, go ahead.

01:50:15.100 I was just going to say

01:50:15.680 we're in an uncharted

01:50:16.740 to get back to,

01:50:17.840 you know,

01:50:18.120 this deeper point

01:50:20.080 that we're living,

01:50:22.000 that the world that we live in

01:50:23.180 is we are not designed

01:50:24.440 to thrive

01:50:26.280 in a digitized reality.

01:50:30.580 Like, evolutionarily,

01:50:32.100 we have not adapted yet.

01:50:33.540 It's happened so fast.

01:50:34.660 You know,

01:50:34.860 Brett Weinstein

01:50:35.360 and Heather Hying

01:50:35.900 talk about this concept

01:50:36.680 of hypernovelty

01:50:37.680 that we,

01:50:39.600 industrialization

01:50:40.320 has so rapidly

01:50:41.600 spread progress,

01:50:44.220 so to speak,

01:50:44.900 and we haven't evolved

01:50:46.060 to meet it.

01:50:47.600 And so this question

01:50:48.640 of what do we do,

01:50:49.520 you know,

01:50:50.060 public execution or not,

01:50:51.540 and I feel like

01:50:52.740 I can't speak to it

01:50:53.900 because I just have to,

01:50:54.600 it's such a big question.

01:50:55.560 I'd have to sit with it

01:50:56.260 for weeks.

01:50:56.840 But we're in uncharted

01:50:58.400 territory here.

01:50:59.300 Like, when we're talking about

01:51:00.220 do we put the name

01:51:00.940 on the internet or not?

01:51:02.060 And, you know,

01:51:02.860 a video that will be available

01:51:04.540 for eternity

01:51:05.160 of someone dying or not,

01:51:06.380 like this isn't,

01:51:06.900 we're not designed

01:51:07.460 for this,

01:51:08.080 like, as human beings.

01:51:09.700 And I think that's,

01:51:10.440 like, I just keep

01:51:11.020 coming back to that.

01:51:11.880 We are in uncharted

01:51:13.040 territory here.

01:51:14.000 I think,

01:51:14.460 oh, a lot about

01:51:15.080 the power of words

01:51:15.880 and how with the

01:51:16.820 internet video age,

01:51:18.080 they become so much

01:51:19.260 more powerful.

01:51:20.020 They've always been powerful.

01:51:21.000 They say spells,

01:51:21.900 you know,

01:51:22.040 you spell your word.

01:51:23.200 It's like casting a spell

01:51:24.080 on nature and people

01:51:25.120 and things,

01:51:25.660 and orators would

01:51:26.660 command thousands of people.

01:51:27.900 Now.

01:51:28.400 Hollywood is,

01:51:29.100 it's made from the wood

01:51:30.000 of the holly tree,

01:51:31.340 and that's what,

01:51:31.980 you know,

01:51:32.520 witches use to cast spells.

01:51:33.720 That's why it's called Hollywood.

01:51:34.780 Interesting.

01:51:35.740 Yes, yeah,

01:51:36.360 look it up.

01:51:36.740 Why it's called Hollywood,

01:51:37.780 because it's made

01:51:38.320 with a witch's wand,

01:51:39.180 it's made from the holly tree.

01:51:40.700 That's why Hollywood

01:51:41.400 is called Hollywood.

01:51:42.280 What I'm doing is,

01:51:43.360 I'm always kind of

01:51:44.340 bridging the line

01:51:44.980 between manifesting

01:51:45.780 a positive future

01:51:46.760 because it does have

01:51:47.700 implications on what

01:51:48.720 people hear and believe

01:51:49.560 and think is gonna happen,

01:51:50.640 and also just saying

01:51:51.840 what's really happening,

01:51:54.120 which can be very dark.

01:51:55.480 Or what,

01:51:55.760 not that it's happening.

01:51:57.020 This is a word thing

01:51:57.960 I had to twist,

01:51:58.480 show this through my brain.

01:51:59.020 It happened.

01:52:00.200 That happened.

01:52:00.900 These things happened.

01:52:01.920 They're not happening right now.

01:52:03.140 They happened.

01:52:03.780 What's happening right now

01:52:04.520 is this?

01:52:06.020 It's important.

01:52:06.780 It's these little things

01:52:07.580 in the twist of nature,

01:52:08.760 in a verbology,

01:52:09.940 or just linguistics

01:52:10.920 that we need to adapt

01:52:12.040 along with the technology,

01:52:13.240 I think.

01:52:13.760 Harry Potter's wand

01:52:14.640 in the story

01:52:15.280 is made of Hollywood.

01:52:17.080 Yeah.

01:52:17.560 Yeah.

01:52:17.680 I'm not making that up.

01:52:19.820 Yeah, he's correct.

01:52:20.820 Unicorn heartstring

01:52:21.860 or something, right?

01:52:22.960 That was,

01:52:23.500 that was,

01:52:24.180 that was,

01:52:25.160 no, but that's why

01:52:25.840 Hollywood is called that

01:52:26.800 because it was meant

01:52:27.560 to basically cast spells

01:52:29.140 to, you know,

01:52:30.000 make,

01:52:30.260 and that's why

01:52:30.760 every major movie

01:52:31.900 always had some sort

01:52:33.700 of subliminal programming

01:52:34.900 in it,

01:52:35.360 and now I think,

01:52:35.940 obviously they still do that,

01:52:36.980 but I don't know

01:52:37.360 if the movies have

01:52:37.920 the same effects

01:52:38.460 as they did back

01:52:39.120 when there was less

01:52:39.620 digital media to compete with.

01:52:40.760 Wood from the Holly Tree

01:52:42.200 is historic,

01:52:43.320 is,

01:52:43.980 in European folklore,

01:52:45.560 was used for magic spells,

01:52:47.540 wands,

01:52:48.100 and warding off evil spirits,

01:52:50.540 and, yeah.

01:52:51.040 Hollywood.

01:52:51.960 That's why it's called,

01:52:52.820 dude,

01:52:53.160 that,

01:52:53.420 when the people decided

01:52:54.180 to call it Hollywood,

01:52:55.100 that was literally why,

01:52:56.300 because it's not a joke.

01:52:57.860 Walt Disney,

01:52:58.440 all this stuff,

01:52:59.060 they wanted to name it

01:53:00.140 after a spiritual thing,

01:53:02.340 and they chose Hollywood

01:53:03.280 because that's what

01:53:03.960 witches use.

01:53:04.640 They have to use

01:53:05.460 the wood of a Holly Tree

01:53:06.380 or the wand doesn't work.

01:53:07.420 I just thought a couple days ago

01:53:08.400 that Top Gun

01:53:09.260 ended the Cold War.

01:53:10.880 Like,

01:53:11.100 obviously Reagan and Gorbachev

01:53:12.420 did it three years later,

01:53:13.360 but I think heavily

01:53:14.500 the Russians were inspired

01:53:15.540 by that movie

01:53:16.140 and they were like,

01:53:16.940 maybe we could be the bad guys.

01:53:18.320 What is going on?

01:53:18.920 That movie is awesome.

01:53:19.660 I kind of want to be American

01:53:20.660 and, like,

01:53:22.060 Tom Cruise is such a hero

01:53:23.160 in so many ways.

01:53:25.820 And not just that,

01:53:27.640 there's no Holly

01:53:28.600 in Los Angeles.

01:53:29.840 Dude,

01:53:30.460 that's why they called it that.

01:53:31.820 That's not a conspiracy.

01:53:33.060 It's like an open,

01:53:33.760 I mean,

01:53:34.020 that's not,

01:53:34.300 I'm not,

01:53:34.640 like,

01:53:34.860 obviously it sounds conspiratorial,

01:53:36.320 but that's,

01:53:36.940 like,

01:53:37.180 it's just,

01:53:37.700 that's why they named it.

01:53:38.400 The principal theory

01:53:40.160 is that they thought

01:53:40.920 shrubs were Holly,

01:53:41.860 but that makes no sense.

01:53:43.840 Yeah,

01:53:44.020 they were occultists probably.

01:53:45.540 I don't know if they were occultists.

01:53:46.400 Or interested in the occultists.

01:53:47.300 These are the most creative people

01:53:48.440 in the world,

01:53:48.960 like,

01:53:49.260 and part of the reason

01:53:50.160 why they went to California

01:53:50.880 is because they can film

01:53:51.640 all year round

01:53:52.280 because of the climate is so,

01:53:53.600 you know,

01:53:53.980 well,

01:53:54.280 but they can film outdoors.

01:53:56.680 It doesn't get too hot

01:53:57.640 and there's not a lot of rain,

01:53:58.900 so it's just convenient

01:53:59.680 because a lot of the filming

01:54:00.520 they did back then.

01:54:00.640 The tax man couldn't get them.

01:54:02.000 Well,

01:54:02.280 whatever,

01:54:02.680 I don't even know

01:54:02.980 how the taxes worked out.

01:54:04.060 They fled the mafia

01:54:04.720 on the east coast.

01:54:05.080 But I'm just saying,

01:54:05.880 that is,

01:54:06.320 that's the real reason.

01:54:07.340 And you have to remember,

01:54:07.940 the people that started Hollywood,

01:54:08.840 they are into occultism

01:54:10.600 and black magic

01:54:11.340 and that's why every actor said,

01:54:12.740 oh,

01:54:13.020 I love Aleister Crowley.

01:54:14.420 So,

01:54:14.920 trust me,

01:54:15.240 there's a lot of satanic

01:54:16.120 and occultic programming

01:54:17.460 within all of Hollywood's development.

01:54:19.680 Occult just means

01:54:20.700 to see beyond.

01:54:21.840 Yeah,

01:54:22.100 it doesn't mean

01:54:22.480 it's necessarily nefarious.

01:54:22.660 What's unseeing,

01:54:23.800 like ocular,

01:54:24.500 oc is to see

01:54:25.600 and occult is,

01:54:26.980 you know,

01:54:27.260 beyond

01:54:27.680 or what lies beyond.

01:54:29.260 So,

01:54:29.480 it's neutral.

01:54:30.880 It's not really

01:54:31.220 religion is occult.

01:54:32.660 Mark Dice is good

01:54:33.520 at decoding it.

01:54:34.360 There's a lot of people

01:54:34.980 that do this,

01:54:35.680 but Hollywood,

01:54:36.760 I'm telling you,

01:54:37.140 there's so much weird

01:54:38.400 hidden programming

01:54:39.120 and symbolism in Hollywood.

01:54:40.520 They say there's no evidence

01:54:41.900 that's why they named it that,

01:54:43.260 but there also is no story

01:54:44.640 as to why they named it Hollywood.

01:54:45.700 So,

01:54:46.040 the spell casting

01:54:47.140 amplification power

01:54:48.320 is now decentralized

01:54:49.180 and all these humans

01:54:50.360 that some of them

01:54:51.140 have no idea

01:54:51.580 what they're doing

01:54:52.020 have the power of

01:54:53.360 amplification of words,

01:54:56.160 of spells

01:54:56.680 and,

01:54:57.580 um,

01:54:58.700 I think that's,

01:54:59.520 the term manifestation

01:55:00.200 was super popular in 07,

01:55:01.780 you know,

01:55:02.140 with the,

01:55:02.760 what the bleep do we know

01:55:03.680 and they're like,

01:55:04.020 you're creating reality

01:55:04.920 with your words.

01:55:05.460 It's not quite that simple.

01:55:06.480 You're affecting reality

01:55:07.460 with your words.

01:55:08.240 You're,

01:55:08.540 you're changing the shape

01:55:09.620 of things with the sound,

01:55:10.860 you know,

01:55:11.020 literally cymatic,

01:55:12.440 all sorts of cymatic inversions

01:55:14.120 or whatever you want to call it.

01:55:15.520 Um,

01:55:15.760 and it's like,

01:55:16.180 how do we do it?

01:55:16.740 How do we do it ethically?

01:55:21.260 I think this show

01:55:22.200 is a good example.

01:55:23.680 Shows like,

01:55:25.180 just talking about it,

01:55:26.140 you know,

01:55:26.360 it's like meta,

01:55:27.020 you know,

01:55:27.160 we're talking about

01:55:27.760 talking about things.

01:55:29.080 Wow.

01:55:29.380 People are,

01:55:29.940 are now digging through

01:55:30.840 the social media

01:55:31.460 of the family

01:55:32.140 of the shooter

01:55:33.000 and it's actually

01:55:36.520 pretty scary

01:55:37.220 that some of the stuff

01:55:38.680 that's being posted

01:55:39.400 shows what we are concerned

01:55:41.380 about,

01:55:41.740 disaffected young men,

01:55:43.620 listless with no purpose.

01:55:45.620 Rudyard Lynch

01:55:46.200 had warned about this,

01:55:47.380 that a society

01:55:49.300 with many young men,

01:55:51.540 young adults

01:55:52.100 who don't have families,

01:55:54.680 see conflict.

01:55:56.180 People with children

01:55:56.940 tend not to want to fight

01:55:57.920 because they have children.

01:55:58.880 People without children

01:55:59.640 have,

01:55:59.920 have nothing

01:56:01.040 and the posts

01:56:02.500 are starting to paint

01:56:03.220 a picture of a young man

01:56:04.160 who apparently had nothing.

01:56:05.440 He was,

01:56:06.720 incel is not the right word

01:56:07.680 but that's the word

01:56:08.820 people typically use

01:56:09.700 to describe a,

01:56:11.800 perhaps hikikomori

01:56:12.740 is the better word.

01:56:13.500 It's a little

01:56:13.860 hard to understand.

01:56:15.280 Japanese term for

01:56:16.200 young men

01:56:17.080 who lock themselves

01:56:17.820 in their room

01:56:18.220 and play video games

01:56:18.780 all day.

01:56:19.760 Neat,

01:56:20.580 but I don't know

01:56:21.060 that it was actually a neat

01:56:21.860 but there is this phenomenon

01:56:22.700 of young men

01:56:23.780 living at home

01:56:24.380 with limited prospects,

01:56:26.140 no purpose,

01:56:27.380 who get radicalized.

01:56:28.500 I mean this was

01:56:30.740 his ticket to glory

01:56:31.680 it sounds like,

01:56:32.560 you know,

01:56:32.820 thinking I've got

01:56:33.720 nothing else going on

01:56:34.620 maybe if I do this

01:56:35.420 one great thing

01:56:36.180 I'll be remembered.

01:56:37.300 And this is what

01:56:38.080 I have been warning about

01:56:39.700 as of recent

01:56:40.260 which I will try to keep light

01:56:41.280 because I don't want

01:56:41.820 to discuss too publicly

01:56:42.800 but I have made

01:56:44.340 several predictions

01:56:45.420 on my morning show

01:56:46.600 on IRL

01:56:47.120 less so on the cold

01:56:48.160 because we're supposed

01:56:48.880 to be having

01:56:49.120 just straight up

01:56:49.840 conversations

01:56:50.220 about various topics

01:56:50.940 but it's a news day

01:56:51.840 and,

01:56:53.260 but,

01:56:53.640 what I've been warning

01:56:55.460 of right now is

01:56:56.440 and I'm just,

01:56:58.500 I'm saying this

01:56:59.020 because

01:56:59.580 I've,

01:57:01.440 I've predicted

01:57:01.900 a lot of things

01:57:02.440 over the past

01:57:02.780 several years

01:57:03.420 and have been

01:57:05.100 in the correct area

01:57:06.840 and I,

01:57:08.740 and I'm,

01:57:09.220 and I,

01:57:09.400 and I don't mean

01:57:10.080 to sound arrogant

01:57:10.920 or anything

01:57:11.520 but I,

01:57:11.840 I think it's important

01:57:12.780 that I at least

01:57:13.280 preface this

01:57:13.740 by saying

01:57:14.280 one of the most

01:57:15.380 notable predictions

01:57:15.920 I had was

01:57:16.800 the essence

01:57:17.880 of January 6th

01:57:19.000 and for that prediction

01:57:20.140 I was accused

01:57:20.740 of having foreknowledge.

01:57:22.520 In September of 2020

01:57:23.840 I,

01:57:24.200 I stated on

01:57:25.200 I think my morning show

01:57:26.040 an IRL

01:57:26.420 if Trump loses

01:57:27.540 in November

01:57:28.200 his supporters

01:57:28.760 are going to go to D.C.

01:57:29.760 and they will storm

01:57:30.380 the White House.

01:57:30.900 They're going to,

01:57:31.260 they're not going

01:57:31.700 to let this stand.

01:57:32.680 That is the anger

01:57:33.480 that we are seeing.

01:57:34.980 Of course I was not

01:57:35.720 completely correct

01:57:36.340 but I was in the,

01:57:37.780 in the appropriate region.

01:57:38.940 It was in January

01:57:39.820 and we saw people

01:57:40.760 storm the Capitol.

01:57:41.700 I don't think it was

01:57:42.060 the worst,

01:57:42.540 the apocalypse

01:57:42.980 as the left

01:57:43.540 tries to describe it

01:57:44.360 or a,

01:57:45.400 a 14th Amendment

01:57:46.180 qualifying insurrection

01:57:48.080 but it was bad.

01:57:50.140 When I had first said it

01:57:51.520 people said I was nuts

01:57:52.680 and Tim's crazy

01:57:53.660 for bringing it up

01:57:54.240 and these things

01:57:54.580 will never happen.

01:57:55.960 And then

01:57:56.420 after it happened

01:57:58.420 the left began

01:57:59.360 to share messages

01:57:59.920 saying Tim Poole

01:58:00.600 had foreknowledge

01:58:01.320 and should be arrested

01:58:01.960 and subpoenaed

01:58:02.960 and brought before Congress

01:58:03.740 simply because

01:58:05.000 as reading the news

01:58:05.680 and looking what was going on

01:58:06.520 I said I think

01:58:07.240 this will happen.

01:58:09.980 We now have

01:58:11.080 as we predicted

01:58:12.840 last year

01:58:13.440 the National Guard

01:58:14.440 being sent in

01:58:15.020 to assist with

01:58:15.700 immigration enforcement

01:58:16.660 challenges

01:58:18.280 from the Democrat state

01:58:19.480 with the federal government

01:58:20.060 over who controls

01:58:20.700 the National Guard

01:58:21.440 as we predicted

01:58:22.060 on the show

01:58:22.540 during the election

01:58:23.140 and of course

01:58:24.820 the escalation now

01:58:25.860 the left would not

01:58:26.780 let that stand

01:58:27.540 protests escalating

01:58:28.600 to assassinations

01:58:29.380 and another prediction

01:58:31.060 that was made

01:58:31.620 Rudyard Lynch

01:58:32.320 had pointed this out

01:58:33.080 for which

01:58:33.540 we had made

01:58:34.260 similar statements

01:58:34.780 and agreed

01:58:35.180 young men

01:58:36.320 with nothing going

01:58:37.120 for them

01:58:37.720 with nothing to lose

01:58:39.760 will engage

01:58:41.500 in these extreme acts

01:58:42.380 which is what it appears

01:58:43.960 we are seeing now

01:58:44.700 with the death

01:58:45.060 of Charlie Kirk

01:58:45.620 and my fear now

01:58:47.400 as I have

01:58:49.220 privately made

01:58:50.080 more serious predictions

01:58:51.100 but I will keep

01:58:51.780 for a variety of reasons

01:58:53.880 I don't want to say

01:58:54.340 too much on

01:58:54.820 my fear is

01:58:56.000 there are an equal

01:58:57.500 amount of young men

01:58:58.500 I don't mean

01:58:59.240 literally equal

01:58:59.800 but there is a large

01:59:01.080 amount of young men

01:59:02.140 both left and right

01:59:02.900 who are in this category

01:59:04.720 who feel they have

01:59:06.360 nothing left to lose

01:59:07.560 and my fear right now

01:59:09.740 is that there is

01:59:11.360 a young man

01:59:12.020 who has spent

01:59:13.200 the past few years

01:59:14.120 watching Charlie Kirk videos

01:59:15.500 who is inspired

01:59:16.840 by Charlie

01:59:17.420 for good reason to be

01:59:18.740 who has turned

01:59:19.880 his life around

01:59:20.460 for the better

01:59:20.880 he's perhaps

01:59:21.940 begun working out

01:59:22.740 he's perhaps

01:59:23.660 taken up a new job

01:59:25.040 there was a viral post

01:59:27.220 where a mother

01:59:28.160 was saying

01:59:28.600 this is my son

01:59:29.380 he watches

01:59:30.400 Charlie's content

01:59:31.080 and he is a hard worker

01:59:32.580 he's learning a trade

01:59:34.460 he works 12 hours a day

01:59:36.200 he says he wants

01:59:37.480 to be like Charlie

01:59:38.260 and for some

01:59:39.480 of these young men

01:59:40.280 who felt like

01:59:41.680 Charlie was a voice

01:59:42.420 that could lift them out

01:59:43.300 they feel like

01:59:45.280 this was taken

01:59:47.080 from them

01:59:47.580 and that was

01:59:48.340 their guiding force

01:59:49.940 for a young man

01:59:51.680 like the guy

01:59:52.620 who killed Charlie

01:59:53.380 but on the other side

01:59:54.320 of the spectrum

01:59:54.800 politically

01:59:55.560 who now feels

01:59:58.000 that they were wronged

01:59:59.060 to an extreme degree

01:59:59.800 my fear is

02:00:00.980 a person like this

02:00:03.040 will not be able

02:00:04.980 to tolerate

02:00:05.420 watching

02:00:06.040 an endless stream

02:00:07.640 of videos

02:00:08.100 on social media

02:00:08.900 mocking the death

02:00:10.320 of Charlie

02:00:10.740 selling merch

02:00:11.420 mocking the death

02:00:12.000 of Charlie

02:00:12.340 saying debate this

02:00:13.540 celebrating it

02:00:14.760 cheering for it

02:00:15.760 and a person

02:00:16.640 with nothing

02:00:17.340 going for them

02:00:18.040 will escalate

02:00:20.120 and that's

02:00:21.020 my concern

02:00:21.720 right now

02:00:22.120 so I hope

02:00:23.060 this does not happen

02:00:23.820 as Trump even stated

02:00:24.880 we will win

02:00:27.120 electorally

02:00:27.860 don't let them

02:00:29.700 take away

02:00:31.400 what we are

02:00:32.800 winning from

02:00:33.380 don't let them

02:00:34.180 poison your mind

02:00:34.880 with TV

02:00:35.300 like follow

02:00:36.460 Charlie's method

02:00:37.460 if you believe

02:00:38.040 in Charlie

02:00:38.420 like Saturday

02:00:39.040 Shabbat

02:00:39.560 get off the TV

02:00:40.440 turn the cameras

02:00:41.280 down

02:00:41.620 be like him

02:00:44.140 like the difference

02:00:44.860 is the kids

02:00:45.460 that worship

02:00:45.940 or that followed

02:00:46.580 Charlie

02:00:46.980 and that believed

02:00:47.500 in Charlie

02:00:47.840 they had a mentor

02:00:49.440 that will be with

02:00:50.120 them for the rest

02:00:50.680 of their life

02:00:51.260 whereas the kids

02:00:52.020 that are on

02:00:52.420 psychiatrics

02:00:53.040 and have a broken

02:00:53.700 home

02:00:54.080 that do these

02:00:54.740 crazy violent

02:00:55.940 acts

02:00:56.240 they don't

02:00:56.800 but you'll always

02:00:58.100 remember Charlie

02:00:58.840 he's always with you

02:01:00.280 so he wouldn't

02:01:02.340 have wanted it

02:01:02.900 and I mean

02:01:03.580 I think we all

02:01:04.180 need to widely

02:01:04.880 condemn it

02:01:05.600 if it does happen

02:01:06.300 because he wouldn't

02:01:06.800 have wanted it

02:01:07.380 and right

02:01:07.920 we're better than that

02:01:08.780 and he would

02:01:09.900 have wanted

02:01:10.340 you know

02:01:11.060 due process

02:01:13.340 through the police

02:01:14.140 you know

02:01:14.540 with open conversation

02:01:15.840 and all of that

02:01:16.660 and that's what

02:01:18.000 we need to stick to

02:01:19.000 and I

02:01:19.320 oh sorry

02:01:19.980 I was just going to say

02:01:20.700 I really appreciate

02:01:21.360 you saying this to him

02:01:22.000 because I do think

02:01:22.740 it's deeper than left

02:01:23.640 or right

02:01:23.960 it's a fundamental

02:01:24.820 crisis here

02:01:27.600 and it makes me think

02:01:29.060 about how many

02:01:29.880 of those lost

02:01:31.680 young men

02:01:32.420 managed to find

02:01:33.440 their ways

02:01:34.160 into psychiatrist

02:01:35.360 offices

02:01:35.960 or therapist

02:01:36.600 offices

02:01:37.080 where they're then

02:01:37.900 told

02:01:38.820 oh you're sick

02:01:39.580 this isn't

02:01:40.400 you know

02:01:40.720 this isn't

02:01:41.360 your fault

02:01:41.860 chemical imbalance

02:01:42.820 here are pills

02:01:43.400 and I think

02:01:44.040 what I'm

02:01:44.580 what I'm

02:01:45.260 sitting with

02:01:46.420 hearing you talk

02:01:47.280 is just how

02:01:48.220 like if you know

02:01:49.100 if you're listening

02:01:50.420 to this

02:01:51.000 and you know

02:01:51.500 someone in your life

02:01:52.300 who is lost

02:01:52.960 especially if it's

02:01:53.760 a young man

02:01:54.580 to connect

02:01:56.120 like reach out

02:01:57.020 connect

02:01:57.420 and it doesn't

02:01:58.100 you don't need to

02:01:58.740 send them to a

02:01:59.300 professional necessarily

02:02:00.360 like sometimes

02:02:01.180 what we're hungering for

02:02:02.480 especially as a

02:02:03.260 formerly lost girl

02:02:04.640 is connection

02:02:06.000 with another human

02:02:07.380 being who has been

02:02:08.460 through their own

02:02:09.180 struggle too

02:02:09.880 I didn't need to be

02:02:11.400 kind of disappeared

02:02:12.780 off into a long

02:02:14.580 series of

02:02:15.220 professionals offices

02:02:16.420 like I needed to

02:02:17.240 talk to my fellow

02:02:18.520 humans about how

02:02:19.640 confused I was

02:02:20.560 about the point

02:02:21.940 to being alive

02:02:22.660 and I think like

02:02:23.260 it is a call

02:02:24.160 an invitation

02:02:24.700 to all of us

02:02:26.000 to pay attention

02:02:27.000 to the people

02:02:27.640 in our lives

02:02:28.140 who are lost

02:02:28.780 and connect

02:02:29.780 with them

02:02:30.480 so we are

02:02:31.680 just about out of

02:02:32.460 time for this show

02:02:33.240 but we will be

02:02:33.880 tracking the news

02:02:34.820 much more is coming

02:02:35.840 out about the suspect

02:02:36.800 about his family

02:02:37.580 about his potential

02:02:38.120 motivation

02:02:38.500 so we'll be

02:02:38.880 tracking that all day

02:02:39.520 we're back tonight

02:02:40.860 at 8pm

02:02:41.640 for Timcast IRL

02:02:43.020 I don't know if

02:02:44.000 everybody just wants

02:02:44.620 to say some

02:02:45.060 final words

02:02:45.780 I want to say

02:02:46.260 one thing

02:02:46.860 you know

02:02:47.160 obviously Charlie

02:02:48.000 spoke you know

02:02:49.460 passionately against

02:02:51.240 victimhood

02:02:51.980 and being a victim

02:02:53.240 and on September 10th

02:02:56.580 Charlie was the

02:02:57.500 biggest victim

02:02:58.060 but we were all

02:02:59.080 victims in the world

02:03:00.000 is a much worse

02:03:01.180 place today

02:03:01.840 without Charlie

02:03:02.500 than it was

02:03:03.140 with him

02:03:04.180 so it's okay

02:03:04.760 to process that

02:03:05.940 and it's okay

02:03:06.660 to feel sad

02:03:07.260 right now

02:03:07.720 and obviously

02:03:08.420 that doesn't mean

02:03:08.960 we need to quit

02:03:09.560 but yeah

02:03:10.860 we all are victims

02:03:12.420 even the people

02:03:13.040 that didn't like Charlie

02:03:13.860 because the world

02:03:14.600 is so much

02:03:15.060 significantly worse

02:03:15.940 today

02:03:16.300 anybody want to

02:03:18.840 yes

02:03:19.720 I'm Libby Emmons

02:03:20.920 and I just wanted

02:03:22.520 to I thank you guys

02:03:24.720 for this conversation

02:03:25.500 today I really

02:03:26.060 appreciate it

02:03:26.520 I think it's very

02:03:26.980 necessary to talk

02:03:28.620 about these things

02:03:29.400 and I just want

02:03:31.120 to say that

02:03:31.720 in light of this

02:03:33.740 week be courageous

02:03:34.900 stand up

02:03:35.860 don't cower

02:03:38.520 before people

02:03:39.560 who are louder

02:03:40.540 than you

02:03:41.040 just stand your

02:03:42.780 ground

02:03:43.140 and hold your

02:03:44.820 values

02:03:45.200 and stand on

02:03:45.940 the word

02:03:46.260 yeah

02:03:46.900 I'm right there

02:03:47.960 with you

02:03:48.320 I think

02:03:48.740 Charlie's

02:03:49.900 Charlie's death

02:03:50.900 will stay with me

02:03:51.600 for the rest of my

02:03:52.280 life and the only

02:03:52.980 thing it's done

02:03:53.620 is it made me

02:03:54.920 more willing to

02:03:55.580 stand up and have

02:03:56.280 difficult conversations

02:03:57.160 and get out there

02:03:57.940 in people's faces

02:03:58.640 and talk about this

02:03:59.600 and I will never

02:04:00.140 stop

02:04:00.500 where can people

02:04:01.640 find you guys

02:04:02.100 yeah so

02:04:03.920 so the doctor

02:04:05.440 Dr. Joseph

02:04:06.380 YouTube channel

02:04:07.420 that's J-O-S-E-F

02:04:09.040 if you just search

02:04:10.240 Dr. Joseph

02:04:10.880 we're on all

02:04:11.760 social media

02:04:12.380 sites

02:04:13.440 and if you

02:04:15.240 are someone

02:04:15.620 who's having

02:04:15.980 a hard time

02:04:16.420 with psychiatric

02:04:16.920 medications

02:04:17.540 and you want

02:04:18.160 expert help

02:04:18.820 coming off

02:04:19.380 our website

02:04:20.320 is the Taper Clinic

02:04:21.300 and we're in

02:04:23.300 the 14 most

02:04:24.080 populous states

02:04:24.920 in the US

02:04:25.420 and if you're

02:04:26.840 not in the US

02:04:27.460 and you're

02:04:27.800 tuning in abroad

02:04:28.700 or in a different

02:04:29.880 one of those states

02:04:31.040 you can go to

02:04:31.540 the contact us

02:04:32.420 section on my

02:04:33.300 website

02:04:33.740 and I have

02:04:34.380 directories for

02:04:35.140 providers all over

02:04:36.100 the world

02:04:36.560 who do psychiatric

02:04:37.760 deprescribing

02:04:38.500 and they will be

02:04:40.140 able to help you

02:04:40.700 get off

02:04:41.060 if you want to

02:04:41.520 find another way

02:04:42.200 and it's an

02:04:44.900 honor to be here

02:04:45.440 and you can find

02:04:46.060 me at

02:04:46.420 lauradelano.com

02:04:48.020 you can find

02:04:48.940 the organization

02:04:50.540 I founded

02:04:51.060 to help people

02:04:51.680 who like Joseph

02:04:52.940 are maybe thinking

02:04:54.080 about coming off

02:04:55.160 psychiatric medications

02:04:56.240 we have a

02:04:56.900 step-by-step

02:04:57.560 self-directed

02:04:58.500 tapering manual

02:04:59.400 you can learn

02:05:00.400 about how people

02:05:01.080 come off safely

02:05:01.780 you can connect

02:05:02.360 with other people

02:05:03.060 who are leaving

02:05:03.660 behind diagnoses

02:05:04.600 and meds

02:05:05.200 that's

02:05:05.740 Intercompass Initiative

02:05:06.600 and it's

02:05:07.080 theintercompass.org

02:05:08.520 and my book

02:05:09.320 is Untrunk

02:05:10.040 A Story of Psychiatric

02:05:11.240 Treatment Resistance

02:05:11.980 by Unshrunk

02:05:13.260 I want to hold it

02:05:13.900 can I hold that

02:05:14.440 please

02:05:14.900 buy this book

02:05:16.340 if you believe

02:05:17.320 in the methodology

02:05:17.980 get it

02:05:18.640 Unshrunk

02:05:19.320 thanks for coming

02:05:21.100 I made a video

02:05:23.040 about Charlie

02:05:24.200 yesterday

02:05:24.760 just talking about him

02:05:25.680 because he was a

02:05:26.460 kind of like a brother

02:05:27.880 but anyway

02:05:28.300 I made a video

02:05:28.900 about it

02:05:29.320 it's on YouTube

02:05:29.920 and X

02:05:30.940 I put it on Facebook too

02:05:32.000 but it's on YouTube

02:05:32.560 on my YouTube channel

02:05:33.260 and I'm going to be

02:05:33.620 on Pop Culture Crisis

02:05:34.480 today at 3 p.m.

02:05:35.820 so tune in to

02:05:36.600 Pop Culture Crisis

02:05:37.360 on YouTube

02:05:37.840 and I'll see you there

02:05:39.260 you want to

02:05:40.780 no

02:05:41.580 Alex Stein's

02:05:42.960 an amazing human being

02:05:43.960 thanks for coming

02:05:45.280 man

02:05:45.400 where they can find you

02:05:46.140 Libby

02:05:46.280 oh you can find me

02:05:47.520 on Twitter

02:05:48.000 at Libby Emmons

02:05:48.940 and at thepostmillennial.com

02:05:51.040 and humanevents.com

02:05:52.200 you can follow me

02:05:53.140 on X and Instagram

02:05:54.040 at Timcast

02:05:56.040 we're back at 8 p.m.

02:05:57.500 as I mentioned

02:05:58.040 with many more updates

02:05:59.060 if anything big

02:05:59.820 happens today

02:06:00.280 we'll of course

02:06:00.760 jump on and go live

02:06:01.720 thanks for hanging out

02:06:03.100 we'll see you all next time

02:06:09.260 we'll see you all next time

The Culture War - Tim Pool - September 12, 2025

🚨Charlie Kirk Suspect Captured, Antifa Confirmed w⧸ Dr. Josef, Laura Delano, Alex Stein

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Misogynist Sentences

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