🚨Charlie Kirk Suspect Captured, Antifa Confirmed w⧸ Dr. Josef, Laura Delano, Alex Stein
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Summary
In the wake of Charlie Kirk's death, the media, the government, and the corporate media are quick to point the finger at each other for both sides of the story. What does this say about the underlying cause of political violence in America?
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Hey, this is Dan Harris, host of the 10% Happier podcast.
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The governor of Utah, as well as the FBI and the sheriff, they have stated the man who killed
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They explained in detail the engravings on the bullet casings, which, based on how this
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individual was turned in—that is, he was turned in by a family member—they explained
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that the family members personally had a conversation with the suspect, stating that Charlie Kirk had
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The bullet casings expressed furry memes, furry culture memes, it appears, as well as anti-fascist
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ideology, notably saying, hey, fascist catch, as well as, hey, Bella Ciao, which is a song
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that was sung by Italian resistance fighting Nazis and fascists.
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So it seems to be that this is, at least for now, based on the assessment by law enforcement,
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a left-aligned individual who assassinated Charlie Kirk.
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There will be breaking news that is still coming out throughout the day, so we'll be tracking
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Normally, we just kind of have the general conversation.
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But we will be discussing for this show the underlying cause of the mental illness in this
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country, illness in general, what's plaguing us, but the political violence.
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And considering the response we've seen from the corporate press, as well as many prominent
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left-aligned and liberal individuals, which are either claiming both sidesism, glorifying
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the death of Charlie Kirk, I'm certainly—I have a lot of strong statements to make.
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And I'll start simply by saying, because it's personal and I want to say it, the amount of
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security that I have and other personalities in a similar space is incomparable to the amount
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of freedom and lack of security that our counterparts on the left have.
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That is, we spend millions, we have security perimeters, active armed guards, we face threats
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I understand many on the left do as well, but I can just tell you based on the events
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we hold versus the events we see on the left, the amount of security we have is substantial
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I'm not going to explain in detail the security details of my friends and other commentators,
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but let me just start by saying the conversations with liberals and the shows that I know don't
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have 24-7 armed guards surrounding their homes for the most part, even among lesser-known
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There are people on the right who are not as famous as Charlie and others who have to live
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under 24-7 armed guard and surveillance because of the threats that we face.
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We here at Timcast were swatted 15 times in one year.
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A man in a dress showed up to our property, for which it's an old property, we're no longer
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there, and attacked one of the residents as they were lurking around the property filming.
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There are many other security breaches that we've had that I do not discuss because I
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don't want to explain how these people have breached our security.
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But let's just say it's resulted in prosecutions, law enforcement intervention, and it is a common
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Considering what just happened to Charlie, we're all taking everything very, very seriously.
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But I am, of course, personally curious to understand where we are headed in this country,
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And I personally just will not tolerate this both-sides-ism.
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A poll was released yesterday by political polls, YouGovData, showing that 77% of Republicans
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believe it is always unacceptable to gloat over the death of someone they oppose, while
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In total, about 70% of Democrats believe it may be, in certain circumstances, unacceptable
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About 90% of Republicans say, in some circumstances, it is unacceptable, with 77% saying it is always
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So when they go on TV and say, like Chris Cuomo did, he said to Benny Johnson of Charlie
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But it is disgusting, and I won't stand for it.
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But forgive me for ranting as we launch this show.
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We have a big panel today, and I'll just let you guys introduce yourselves.
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So briefly, I would just say I'm kind of like America's anti-psychiatrist.
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I talk about the interface of psychiatric drugs and violence.
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I also talk about the massive over-prescribing epidemic going on in the country right now,
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the complete insanity about how we diagnose everyone with brain illnesses when they're
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And when I'm not doing that, I'm helping people come off psychiatric meds.
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My name is Laura Delano, and I am a former psychiatric patient.
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I grew up, spent the most formative years of my life, deeply invested in this idea that
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I had all these diagnoses and needed all these medications for life, and that my purpose in
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life was to go to therapy and refill my prescriptions.
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And the more I internalized this way of understanding myself, the more my life fell apart.
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And I wrote a book about it called Un-Shrunk that I highly recommend.
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And yeah, and like Yosef, a lot of my work is about helping people who've realized the
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mental health industry is not actually helping them, and they want to kind of take their
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lives back from meds and from kind of professional patient identity.
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I'm actually really glad to talk about this with you guys.
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I have a son who's 15, and this has been something that's come up over the years with
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different educators and everything, and so I'm really interested to hear your insights.
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Yeah, it's very prescient that you're here also.
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I've been inundated with this guy Chase Hughes.
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He's a psychologist and says like, the PSYOP is left versus right.
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And I think a lot of it is just people broken and distanced because of over-medication.
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It's a very sad, tough conversation to talk about losing such an important person like
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Charlie, so I'm excited to talk to you guys about this.
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But I know that obviously we do have a mental health issue because it's just the over-prescription
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of drugs, and you see the correlation with shootings like this.
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And then the media doesn't talk about it, but I don't know, in Charlie's instance, and I
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Yeah, I want to start by just giving people the quick update for those that are tuning
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Normally, as I mentioned, this is typically just a conversational debate podcast on topics,
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But I want to get started by showing this breaking news report.
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They've revealed the language that is on the bullets, the engravings.
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Now, interestingly, and this is very interesting, this is CBN, did not include the other engraving,
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And the reason I, and this phrase is going viral, the reason I think people are not mentioning
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this is because, let me see if I can, Know Your Meme, I think has the news.
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I think CBN and other outlets don't know what this means.
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So when they heard that, they thought it was random nonsense.
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Know Your Meme says, notices bulge, O-W-O, what's this?
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This is the original meme referenced by Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's alleged shooter.
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And it says, quote, snuggles and pounces on you and notices bulge.
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Hey, fascist catch is particularly obvious what that means.
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So this individual apparently was at home having dinner with family.
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The family was expressing disdain for Charlie and the things he had been saying.
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And that, as well as the inscriptions, the opinions expressed by the individual, I think
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it is beyond a reasonable doubt, at least according to the evidence presented, this individual
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was Antifa aligned, leftist aligned, and targeted Charlie for his politics.
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Now we're hearing a lot from the media, from these personalities.
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Chris Cuomo had a viral clip where he said, you are not, I do not see you as victims.
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77% of Republicans believe it is always unacceptable to feel joy at the death of someone they oppose,
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33% of Democrats think it's usually unacceptable, whereas only 12% of Republicans.
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That is, the majority of Republicans say it's never acceptable, it's always unacceptable.
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And among those on the democratically aligned, who believe it's either always or sometimes
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And 4% of Democrats believe it is always acceptable to gloat over the death of a public
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figure they oppose, while Republicans are at 2%.
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I'm curious what you guys think about the state of political violence.
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Obviously, I've made my point several times already, that it is clearly lopsided.
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The left is either substantially more willing to engage in the rhetoric.
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Even with the opinions people have expressed about George Floyd on the right, when George
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Floyd was died, every conservative, even Ben Shapiro, was saying, this is bad.
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When Charlie dies, they post memes saying he got what he deserved.
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Or they're selling t-shirts, and they're saying, debate this.
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He was in the front seat on, I think he was high with kids in the back seat, and he was
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But I'm thinking about Muammar Gaddafi and the way they gloated over his death because
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And in war, you're kind of glad when the enemy's gone, and maybe the soldiers don't
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I would have to ask people that have actually killed for a living, or that do this like,
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But there's also like a relief that comes when the enemy is no longer, because you're
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no longer threatened, you feel no longer threatened.
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And I just don't, I don't think that the domestic situation calls for that.
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We're not at war with ourselves right now, and there's no reason to create that energy.
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I mean, we've been hearing messages from left-leaning media for a long time that, you know, if you
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have certain opinions that are, you know, not, you know, the usual kind of woke, you
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know, woke talking points, you're a fascist, and you're dangerous, and you should be silenced.
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And I think if you just, if you keep on hearing that stuff, after a while, you feel emboldened
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to act on it, and you feel like you're actually doing something good, when you're really doing
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Have you noticed any correlation in your career with giving people psychiatric medication that
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they will do, or that someone that's medicated will tend towards like a disassociative lash
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And so all of these medications, and I know this is covered up in a big way, all of these
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medications have the ability to make people violent.
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And this is not even hidden, this is already in the drug life.
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I mean, we're not talking about common side effects, we're talking about rare things that
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And the analogy that I usually use is you could have like 10 people smoking cannabis, one
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person becomes paranoid, the rest of them are giggling and laughing.
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And so you can have these unexpected reactions to things.
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And when you have like 15% plus of the population taking SSRIs, you know, over 20% taking psychiatric
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medications, which are already known to cause violence in the FDA labels, you're going to
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get these one in a million cases that happen where you have people, you know, they'll engage,
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you know, they'll kill people, homicides will happen, suicides will happen.
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The media does this out of a place of it's like almost compassion, but it's kind of twisted
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because we need to be talking about these things.
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They say you can't talk about the link between violence and psychiatric meds because you're
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going to scare people away from lifesaving medications.
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But there's a big concern with that, which is, I mean, I've watched these drug ads and at
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the end they say may cause anything from diarrhea to suicide.
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And personally, I don't want to take a drug that does either of those things.
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And the insane thing is, especially when we're looking at the population who is below 25,
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who are the most likely to have side effects, you look at the clinical trials, there is a
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higher rate of suicide attempts in the people who are put on these medications.
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So at a population level, you're more likely to try and take your life if you're put on an
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It is insanity giving these medications out the way we are to kids right now.
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I guess the argument would be that they're already suicidal, which is why they're going
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on psychiatric meds to begin with, and that they were already more likely to do it.
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I mean, so I brought up my son as an example, who is a healthy, jovial, 15-year-old boy.
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And when he was just in, I think it was, it might've been pre-K.
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He was in pre-K, he was going to this school, and he kept getting in trouble.
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And I was getting called in to the office to talk to the teacher.
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I was getting all these notes home all the time.
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And I was like, well, that kind of makes sense, right?
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He's supposed to sit on a circle and be quiet and just sit there.
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And I was like, okay, you're calling it circle time.
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Like, maybe he's just smarter than you, you know?
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Number of times it was, he doesn't want to sit still.
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Have you considered getting him evaluated for ADHD?
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And every time, me and his dad were like, no, we're not doing that.
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Well, would you consider, it will help him in school.
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And it was shocking the number of times that they insisted to us that this happy, healthy,
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rambunctious, you know, excited for life, jubilant little boy was like a problem.
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And all of the things that they were telling me were a problem are like signs of life.
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You know, there was never any, you know, never any issues.
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And in fact, like he told me recently that as a kid, he would sometimes have like emotional
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And he recently told me, he said, I'm really proud of how I have my whole emotional situation
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I worked on getting that under control so that I could react the way I want to and not the
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way, you know, that I just do off the spur of the moment.
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And this is so typical of what we do in the US with the mental health system.
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I mean, we, we want to put problems in people's brains, you know, rather than actually like
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looking at the school or the society or the problems going on in the, you know, in the
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It's, it's so much more convenient to say, Libby, your son has a brain disorder.
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You know, you don't need to look at anything else, at least not our school and our programming.
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And, you know, that is not interesting to your son.
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And that is exactly what's wrong with mental health in this country.
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That's why it's getting worse, even though we're using more and more drugs than ever before.
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That's why suicide rates are higher because it just doesn't work.
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I was just going to say, as, as someone who grew up medicated, I was put on these drugs
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as a kid and I took them through my teens and my twenties.
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What makes it especially insidious when it comes to medicating and diagnosing kids is that
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you don't yet have a baseline sense of who you are.
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You're just coming into yourself as, as an autonomous agentic being when you're hitting
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And so you don't even realize having been on these meds for basically a decade and a half.
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I, I had no idea what I was losing and what I never got access to because I had no baseline
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I didn't have, you know, decades lived and then started a medication in my forties and
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then realized like, wow, I'm kind of losing touch with my sexual function or my personality.
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And I think a lot of this, like, I'm not going to speculate about psych drugs in this,
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It's, it's obviously so complicated, but what I can say for myself, having been heavily medicated,
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having tried to kill myself in a very extreme way in my mid twenties is that a lot of this,
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I think is about disembodiment at a deeper, like spiritual level.
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Even I think you can't, you can't want, wish violence against someone else or be happy
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when someone else is killed, unless you are out of touch with your own humanity.
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You cannot dehumanize someone else unless you yourself are dehumanized.
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And I do think that the psychiatric drug issue, while I'm not going to, you know, say it's causing
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I think it's a big piece of this puzzle because with so many young people growing up medicated,
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growing up disconnected from their instincts, from their capacity to feel empathy, to feel
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I'm not saying it's the experience of everyone on these drugs, but I know I'm far from alone.
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And, you know, to think back to that moment when I made the decision to kill myself, I was,
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It was perfectly logical given the story I was believing about, you know, having this
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incurable brain disease, like Yosef said, like I, the reason I feel this way isn't because
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You know, I, I, I don't, I truly believe I would not have reached that point of choosing
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to kill myself were I not disembodied, fundamentally disconnected from myself.
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It's so many kind of facets of our society, social media, digital, the digital, digitally
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mediated relationships, food, big food, you know, you could go on and on all the ways
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Laura, I want to, I want to pick up that thread about like, we don't, what we don't want
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to do is, is get to a place where we're just saying anytime a mass shooting happens,
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Clearly there's an element of social contagion going on, uh, with these events.
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Um, I may be unpopular by saying this, but clearly the availability of guns, you know,
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if, if someone is highly unstable and there's a lot of guns around, they're grabbing a gun.
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Yeah, but real quick, real quick, the last seven trans shooters were all on hormones.
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And so, you know, Laura was talking a moment ago about feeling disembodied on psychiatric
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And when, when experts have looked at this and they say, you know, how do these drugs make
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If you blunt someone out with medications, you're going to blunt morality.
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They're, they're, they're not going to feel that same sense of, of responsibility.
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It's the same way that these drugs can lead to suicide.
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Many people don't want to take their life because they're worried about their families and the
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impact it's going to leave on people around them.
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But if you turn that way down, they're going to be way more, you know, many people can feel
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There's, there was a very interesting, um, uh, I know we were all talking about Charlie
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Kirk earlier, a couple of years ago, I was at the Young Women's Leadership Summit, which
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And I was on a panel talking about faith and being, you know, a person of faith living in
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I was in New York at the time and a young woman stood up and she said something that was
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And I've been thinking about it, you know, pretty regularly for about three years.
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And she said, um, I don't think that we've really comprehended how far kids who grow up
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in liberal, liberal environments are removed from values.
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So for example, when I grew up, the word soul was a very weird word.
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So when people had to try and express their internal tumult, they would use words like
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I'm depressed or I'm anxious, or they would assign some sort of medical value to it.
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Another example is the way that people who grow up in liberal environments get a sense
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of purpose and meaning from being part of the democratic party or having, you know, being
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part of a rebellion, she said, or even as we see now people celebrating their mental
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illness and saying, oh, that's my, my, you know, I'm a little autistic coming out.
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That's my, I have PTSD from one time my teacher yelled at me coming out or whatever.
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And, um, she said, you know, that's what she was saying.
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And this notion that the soul has been replaced with perceived medical conditions or mental conditions.
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And then this morning during the press conference with Governor Cox in Utah, one of the reporters
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said, is there any indication of mental illness?
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Is, I mean, do you find that, that perhaps we have taken what used to be meaning derived
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from faith or from, you know, a community that has moral grounding to this other much more
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I mean, yeah, I think with the decline in, um, you know, religious community, people are
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And when you go online and, you know, you could say it's, uh, you know, liberal politics,
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it could be like, um, like the trans community as well.
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And so I see things going on on TikTok and, and there, these are communities that people
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are drawn into and they're kind of celebrated, especially on the left where there is this,
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um, you know, there's a social currency almost with being a sexual minority or being someone
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It's like you are stigmatized, you are victimized and, you know, you, you know, we're going to
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bandy together and, um, and we're going to fight against the injustice.
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And so I, I think that you can have vulnerable people who are confused, who, who maybe don't
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have something like God and religion get kind of pulled into these places to, to feel like
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they're a part of something, um, and the, and the horrible to fill that, that place inside
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I, I, so to me, a lot of this is about the ubiquity of medicalization, just as you were
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saying, Libby, we live, we live, I think over the past 70 years, and I go into this in
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my, in my book, because when I was writing, it's mostly a memoir, but I realized like,
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I have to tell the bigger story of the American mental health industry here to understand what
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I have to investigate like the bigger story of, of our country and how over the last 70
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years, the rise of the mental health industry has, has kind of infused our meaning making
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apparatus as a culture with medicalized discourse.
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So the, the deeper spiritual or existential or philosophical.
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Because I cannot tell you how much relief I felt at the beginning when I did embrace
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Like, oh, wow, I can look at this list of symptoms.
00:27:08.980
Now I can feel validated and understood I belong.
00:27:12.580
And as Yosef was saying, and as you were saying, Libby, like the fact that we are yearning for
00:27:16.800
that speaks to the void in our culture of community, of a sense of belonging, of, and it makes me
00:27:22.760
think of the philosopher and writer, social critic, Yvonne Illich, who was a former priest
00:27:28.220
who wrote about, he wrote about how, you know, all these various kind of industries in our
00:27:34.860
culture, whether it's the medical industry or the education industry, they set out and
00:27:40.240
kind of promote themselves as being these helping institutions that are going to solve
00:27:47.400
But they actually end up perpetuating the very problem that they claim to set out to treat.
00:27:51.960
And in the case of health, he called it, you know, this idea of medical nemesis, that
00:27:57.320
the medical industry has kind of claimed this monopoly on what it means to be human, what
00:28:04.560
it means to suffer, to struggle, to yearn, to feel desire.
00:28:10.160
It's monopolized how we understand that for ourselves, which then monopolizes what you do
00:28:16.180
with it. Because if you have a mental illness, then the only logical thing to do is to get
00:28:20.460
treatment from a medical professional. But if you're having an existential crisis or a
00:28:25.820
crisis of faith or a crisis of loneliness, then the solutions, quote unquote, are not
00:28:31.240
necessarily going to be medical. And I think that's a big part of this.
00:28:34.040
So the issue that I think we have in this country is that mental illness is often stated
00:28:38.940
by the right as an easy answer to a state of physical brain construction among large swaths
00:28:48.860
of the population. That is, many of these people that are on the left, and I'm not saying it's
00:28:55.860
only the left, I'm just saying we see it predominantly on the left. It is not that their brains don't
00:29:01.500
work. Their brains are perfectly functioning. They just believe things that are not true.
00:29:08.020
And we've had this discussion before on this show, as well as Timcast IRL, the difference
00:29:11.800
between someone who is suffering from paranoid delusion, schizophrenia, somebody who might
00:29:16.320
say that out of the corner of their eye, they always see little men trying to steal their
00:29:20.500
stuff, and a voice tells them to chase them around, things like this. I had a friend who
00:29:24.700
told me that she had a camera orbiting her body that was placed there by the government
00:29:29.440
that spot on her, and she could see it floating around her, and she knows it's there, and
00:29:32.940
she was being medicated. That is easily pointed out as, okay, there is something wrong with
00:29:39.820
your brain, but what happens when someone is raised in a culture that tells them something
00:29:46.500
as insane as, you can't see the camera floating around your body, but trust us, it's there.
00:29:51.740
They don't actually see it. They don't hear anything, but they still live in this world where
00:29:55.680
they believe the government has been implanting invisible orbiting cameras around them, something
00:29:59.840
we know to be absolutely insane. There's no way to treat a form of developed psychotic
00:30:08.840
delusion. I assume that you could always make an argument there is, I mean, what, deprogramming
00:30:14.980
Yeah, pulling people out of a cult, that kind of mindset.
00:30:16.760
But we're talking about people who, if we go back to Donald Trump coming down the escalator,
00:30:20.900
for, the saying goes that every seven years, every cell in your body has been replaced.
00:30:26.860
We are our own ship of Theseus. If someone, anyone alive today has lived in the world of
00:30:32.940
the corporate press, which is still right now lying, you know what, I want to pull up one
00:30:36.700
of these lies. Every fiber of their being is screaming things that are not true. How do
00:30:46.560
you actively? There's nothing you can do. Let me show you this tweet, for instance.
00:30:52.660
ABC News tweeted, well, President Trump has called for an end to political violence following
00:30:56.580
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. He did not recognize or acknowledge the recent deaths,
00:30:59.720
violent attacks, and killings of Democrats. Completely false. And as you can see with community
00:31:04.700
notes, President Trump publicly responded, offering condolences after the shooting of two
00:31:08.460
Minnesota lawmakers. ABC News, this is not an accident. They have editors. They have teams
00:31:15.020
of stuff. CNN the other day, when the news broke from Stephen Crowder that the bullets were engraved
00:31:20.800
with anti-fascist and trans ideology, the Wall Street Journal confirmed this through their own
00:31:25.740
source. CNN reported it was cultural issues engraved that were being analyzed. So there are people
00:31:32.220
who exist only in that space who are told every day, Charlie Kirk hates black people, but that's
00:31:40.100
fabricated. It's not real. Charlie Kirk, in one viral video that was actually recommended to me on
00:31:44.920
Instagram referred to a black child as a gift from God. This man was not racist. What do we do when
00:31:51.780
we are dealing with a mental illness that was intentionally programmed by activist organizations
00:31:57.100
to put people into a state of paranoid delusion that there are Nazis around every corner? There's
00:32:03.740
no medication that will change that because this is a programming issue.
00:32:07.760
I mean, this breaks my heart because, I mean, the solution really was to have Charlie Kirk because
00:32:12.040
he was going out there to these universities and he was putting in FaceTime, having people listen to him
00:32:20.020
about these issues, having difficult questions, difficult conversations. I mean, and that's what
00:32:27.000
we really need more of. We need to humanize the other side. I love social media for that,
00:32:33.340
although I get censored and I know a lot of people do get censored for having these things. But
00:32:37.720
I think the more we can break away from ABC News and like CNN and these places that have just a very,
00:32:45.220
to me now, it's a very obvious narrative to serve their base rather than trying to be helpful and
00:32:50.880
actually see things in a logical, rational way. The more exposure that we can have and get these ideas
00:32:56.980
out there, I think that will de-radicalize people. I think they will wake up to it slowly and I think it
00:33:02.800
is happening. I do think so. It's tough. I want to be optimistic. Following this brutal assassination
00:33:14.020
of a political leader and friend, I was hoping that your more moderate or default liberals,
00:33:22.300
who do believe things that are not true because of, as I described, would be shocked to see such a
00:33:29.040
graphic and horrific incident. They weren't. They weren't. They weren't shocked at all.
00:33:35.920
I have friends, people that I've known for years that work in Hollywood, that are prominent liberals,
00:33:42.100
they're activists. But I always consider them to kind of be normie default libs that they post your
00:33:46.540
generic talking point. And I genuinely believed yesterday that many of those people were going to
00:33:55.900
be like, this is not OK. Stop. And today I woke up and looked at Instagram stories from people that
00:34:03.360
don't spend time in politics. They only just, you know, they post a black square profile picture for
00:34:09.500
George Floyd. They'll repost some activist talking point. And I'm seeing several videos being shared by
00:34:15.400
many of these individuals who are well known, justifying the death, saying things like Charlie got
00:34:21.960
the world that he wanted, so be it, saying things that Charlie Kirk wanted to kill you, so they killed
00:34:26.540
him, saying things like this is a man who genuinely hated black people and wanted them dead, all fake,
00:34:31.260
all lies. And these were supposed to be sane, rational people, people that I knew that I could still talk
00:34:37.520
to. And I don't I don't know how we move forward right now. There are posts on on on X with 20 million
00:34:47.480
views of people saying who's next. He deserved it. Yeah. And it's it kind of goes back to what you
00:34:54.160
were saying about what happens when you are raised in a culture that tells you there are invisible
00:34:59.260
cameras circling your body and you have that, you know, the delusion. What happens when you're raised
00:35:03.560
with delusion? And you also mentioned that these are not people who are particularly involved in
00:35:07.640
politics. So what happens is they hear from trusted sources like ABC or MSNBC or the others that Charlie
00:35:16.720
Kirk is a fascist, that this very Christian man who espoused peace is hateful and evil, right?
00:35:23.140
Or he's responsible for school shootings. Or he's responsible for all of these things.
00:35:26.380
Because he's pro-Second Amendment and he got what was coming. This guy was political. He dressed up as
00:35:29.960
Trump for Halloween. No, not this guy. I mean, like, in general, the people who are on social media
00:35:34.660
saying this stuff, they're not steeped in politics, but they believe everything that they've heard
00:35:39.120
that's negative about Charlie and they've never looked into it themselves. Look at stupid Stephen King,
00:35:44.140
right? He espoused this whole thing of, like, Charlie wanted to stone gay people or whatever,
00:35:49.120
and then everyone was like, you are wrong. Look at the clip. Look at the clip. He's got a viral
00:35:54.520
post saying... And he apologized, but, like, that's not going viral. He actually said that he couldn't
00:36:00.680
stand the people that were trying to gatekeep the movement and keep gay people from the conservative
00:36:04.460
movement. Exactly. Charlie did everything he could to lift up black conservatives and black people on the
00:36:08.720
left, too, for that matter. So anybody that says that he was racist is just ignorant. But he also
00:36:13.980
had ideas that maybe were horrific or you disagreed with, he would debate you on them and change his
00:36:18.880
mind if you offered a position. That was the thing. So I don't care. You give me a list of all the bad
00:36:23.140
things he said, debate them on it. That was the point. There's no reason whatsoever for this to
00:36:28.340
happen to Charlie Kirk. Like, there's a million other people this could have happened to, and it would
00:36:32.660
not have this effect. So this happening to Charlie Kirk is why this is so impactful. This is what's scary,
00:36:38.840
is that those of us who knew Charlie, and I don't just mean personally, I mean those who knew who he
00:36:44.600
really was, knew that he was a really nice guy. He was not somebody who went on TV and was angry.
00:36:53.840
There are a lot of people in the space, especially on the right, who are angry and are yelling and
00:36:57.800
saying, you know what, these people, I'll tell you. That wasn't Charlie. And that's one of the reasons I
00:37:01.760
think it was so impactful and horrifying is that Charlie was always really calm and nice.
00:37:06.740
And at the bare minimum, the worst emotion you got from him when you debated him was him scoffing or
00:37:12.220
laughing and saying, what? No, here's my idea. But he never yelled at you. He never insulted you.
00:37:17.560
He would, you know, I've watched, I've seen so many of his videos. He would only, the closest he ever
00:37:23.360
got is when he would give back what he was given. To the point that I was making about these people and
00:37:28.820
their views, you know, mentioning that they're raised in this society, they go online and they're
00:37:34.800
surrounded by people saying, these people are fascists. Punch Nazis. Nazis are bad. The way I've
00:37:41.600
explained it before is we all know that feeling because there are, there are certain things you
00:37:47.840
cannot do in public. There are certain things that if you do, you will be shunned or harassed or
00:37:53.660
isolated or, and there are things, you know, you would react to. For instance, most people on the
00:38:01.100
left and the right, if they witnessed a man yelling racial slurs at another man would, would be mad
00:38:07.020
about it and would say, Hey, you can't do that. That's not okay. That is the overwhelming majority
00:38:10.420
of this country. Racists exist. So we know that feeling of, if you were sitting down at a restaurant
00:38:17.600
and you saw a guy get up and start screaming at a black man and insulting him, was minding his own
00:38:22.060
business or his family and calling them names, you would react viscerally. You work at the shop
00:38:26.820
would say, get out of here. Don't you do that. So we understand that feeling. The problem is
00:38:31.980
there is a generation and a, and, and the, the liberal political faction that have been raised
00:38:36.920
to believe that that racist guy screaming racial slurs was you, me was Charlie. So when someone comes
00:38:44.160
out and tells them, imagine if someone said that guy who was threatening to murder that black woman
00:38:51.280
calling her racial slurs and was taunting her and poured a milkshake on her head, walked outside and
00:38:55.200
got hit by a car, people are going to be like, yeah, wow. And you're not really going to feel
00:39:00.720
that bad. That's where liberals are right now. That's because of the lies, the intentional lies
00:39:05.820
from ABC news, from CNN, from MSNBC. Remember MSNBC said when Charlie got shot, perhaps someone was
00:39:11.820
firing celebratory gunfire. They also said he was divisive. And he said awful things. So he gets awful
00:39:17.640
actions. That's the world they're living in. And so again, I'm kind of ranting because obviously
00:39:22.580
it's so personal. My point, sorry, just to finalize it. These are people who imagine they're on a boat
00:39:29.360
and all around them, that's the only thing they're told and they can see. They can't get to the ship
00:39:34.800
or the landmass that we're on where we're welcoming of everybody. And what terrifies me the most about it
00:39:39.560
is layered in this psychology that has been developed by these media organizations is
00:39:44.720
If you talk to Charlie and he says something different from what we told you, it is because
00:39:51.800
he is lying to trick you so that you abandon your values. And then every interaction these liberals
00:39:59.240
have with any of us, there is a veil of, I know that if you agree with me, it's you lying to trick
00:40:06.760
me. So I won't believe anything you say, no matter what you say.
00:40:09.180
This is making me think of the role of, to get back to what you were talking about earlier, Libby,
00:40:16.360
and I think actually I saw a great clip of you talking about this from recently. I think at the
00:40:24.420
heart of this phenomenon that we're talking about, and I think it's across the culture and not even
00:40:30.320
necessarily just political in nature, is the privileging of your emotions, especially your
00:40:39.660
outrage and your anger, and basically letting your anger shape your perceptions of reality and define
00:40:49.340
what you think of as true. And I think a lot of that, what is a part of the root of that, I think,
00:40:56.080
is this ubiquity of therapeutic culture where so many young people, I was just doing an interview
00:41:01.720
earlier this morning, and we were talking about the stat that 72% of Gen Z girls, women, 72% of them
00:41:12.300
have their mental health condition, quote unquote, as a deeply important part of their identity.
00:41:18.640
And so young people are growing up, and I'll talk about what this was like for me, because
00:41:23.560
it was just so powerful. Being a 13-year-old girl who was confused and lost and insecure,
00:41:31.080
wanting to feel like she belonged somewhere, to get kind of funneled into this, and I don't blame,
00:41:40.900
That's a good question. Don't even get me started on birth control. I started birth control at 16.
00:41:44.360
So I was on five psych drugs, lithium, lamictal, Abilify, Effexor, and Ativan.
00:41:50.580
It was my last regimen back in 2010, 16 years of oral contraception. I don't even get me started on the pill.
00:41:59.000
I was on that when I was 16, too, and it was kind of weird, because I wasn't sexually active.
00:42:03.400
It was like this thing where just all the girls at my prep school were suddenly on birth control.
00:42:12.340
This was all like affluent girls, just all of them.
00:42:16.640
And so when you grow up infused in this therapeutic landscape where you're like,
00:42:23.140
as someone who was in therapy every week for a decade and a half, sometimes twice a week,
00:42:27.500
and I'm just talking about myself, talking about my mind, talking about my thoughts,
00:42:30.600
talking about my insecurities, my anger, my emotions,
00:42:33.040
and it's just getting more and more reinforced that the most important thing in my life to focus on
00:42:40.420
I think when you think about that phenomenon in an individual and how it can shape their own reality,
00:42:48.720
and then you pan out and you think about how many young adults grew up in therapy,
00:42:54.860
privileging their emotions, and then you think, okay, it kind of makes sense.
00:42:58.480
We're in this polarized, like Tim, you were saying, people are literally living in different realities.
00:43:05.400
You know, it's like, I'm being oppressed by people out there.
00:43:10.000
Anything that they say is dangerous and it's a lie.
00:43:17.480
I don't think you can actually get anywhere really useful in life if you constantly feel like,
00:43:24.860
They're, you know, these people on the right and their ideas and they're holding us down.
00:43:29.900
Even the mental health issue as well, where it's like, I have a brain disease.
00:43:34.880
You know, my anxiety and depression is caused by my brain and there's nothing that I can actually do to fix that problem.
00:43:44.540
And I remember you were, I was watching you on Tucker Carlson recently, Laura, and I think he asked,
00:43:49.380
he said, you know, what would you, what would you have said to me if I, if I said, hey, maybe, you know, medications aren't the answer or there's, there's not something.
00:43:57.960
And I think you told him to F off or something like that.
00:44:03.440
Well, it's, I cannot tell you how powerful it is to be taught to think that you have no agency or control over your life because your brain is defective.
00:44:15.000
Like I literally believed through these vital years when I was meant to be figuring out who I was as an adult in the world and like what I cared about and what my passions were.
00:44:26.300
I was moving through every single day thinking I, what's the point in really trying to grow or evolve as a person?
00:44:35.280
I have chemical imbalance in my brain that I'll never be able to get rid of.
00:44:39.540
So like, what's the point in trying to become a more evolved person to grow, to change?
00:44:46.440
And I, and I think that sense of disempowerment that internalizing a mentally ill identity, you know, it, it stripped me of any belief that I could be an agent in my life.
00:44:58.500
And I think just to quickly, like Tim, to your, your question earlier, like, you know, I can't remember exactly how you framed it, but I'm really cautious to medicalize violence ever to call it mental illness because it really does absolve responsibility.
00:45:14.940
The idea is if you're mentally ill, you did this, not because you're a bad person or a lazy person or, you know, an immoral person because you're sick and it's not your fault.
00:45:24.360
And so I think we need to be really cautious when we medicalize any kind of.
00:45:41.020
They, this is, the corporate press, which we typically describe as more left aligned, describes people as though they are animals without higher brain function.
00:45:56.300
So the way I've described it, as we've discussed on the, on the show this past week, before the horrifying moments in Utah, was if you slathered yourself up in honey and peanut butter and carried some delicious trout into the woods,
00:46:14.220
And that's the argument made by Democrats, which seems insane.
00:46:18.500
We don't blame the bear for smelling food and chasing after it.
00:46:22.900
However, when Irina Zarutska goes and sits on a train, not slathering herself up on anything and is brutally murdered, they say, don't blame the murderer.
00:46:36.500
This was a man who made a choice and they said, but he's unwell.
00:46:42.620
And in fact, he's so, I just, just, this is important.
00:46:47.180
Van Jones attacked Charlie Kirk as a race monger for pointing out that this man attacked Irina Zarutska, a young white girl and not anybody else on that, who was sitting near him, who were black.
00:47:00.060
And Van Jones said to, to say, you know, it was because of race is just race mongering after a decade of Van Jones himself, as well as many others in the corporate press, literally race mongering over instances that is no evidence that it was race motivated.
00:47:15.740
And of course, then after this segment comes out, video emerges, I do believe the video was available, but became more prominent in which it appears this man, DeCarlos, says, I got that white girl.
00:47:28.180
And on national television, Van Jones singled out Charlie Kirk as a race monger spreading hate against black people.
00:47:35.980
And I believe it was perhaps two days later that a man who is according to the, you know, I think it's a fair prediction that there was a correlation between the words of Van Jones.
00:47:47.700
And I know some people might say that's just distasteful for me to say, but as the press conference revealed, they said that this, this suspect was at home with his family when mention of Charlie Kirk coming to their town was brought up and how the family member said he was hateful.
00:48:04.320
And why did they think that Charlie Kirk was hateful?
00:48:06.400
He wasn't because of people like Van Jones lying about what Charlie Kirk was saying.
00:48:13.240
And then sure enough, this guy went and killed Charlie Kirk.
00:48:16.260
You asked earlier, how do we, how do you snap someone out of a world where they believe there are, uh, orbs flying around them, recording them?
00:48:27.160
When I say that, I'm referring specifically to a person that I know, but let's, let's make sure we clarify the point.
00:48:31.800
What do you say to a person who was raised to believe incorrectly that around every corner are angry white supremacists looking to murder trans and black people?
00:48:43.740
It's, you were saying it's people like Charlie Kirk that are the antidote to this guy.
00:48:47.280
I think people that can constantly, but there's also, you need to mitigate risk of susceptibility.
00:48:52.420
So people that are susceptible to brainwash somehow, whether it's dietary change, probably a lot of your intelligence hat starts in your gut.
00:49:05.300
It's do it because you'll notice it's a disembodiment yet a embodiment at the same moment.
00:49:14.480
The food you eat can destroy and damage your brain.
00:49:17.520
But as much as I agree, and as we've cheered Maha on and talking about getting the garbage out of our foods, which does disrupt our hormones, does cause, you know, in many instances, a variety of illnesses in our psyche.
00:49:31.060
The distinction here is, while that is correct and true, and probably a large portion of what we're seeing, people living in cities, as you've pointed out before, breathing in brake dust every day.
00:49:42.100
Live, when you live in these cities, you are inundated endlessly with environmental toxins, which are attacking your senses and your mind and your body.
00:49:51.340
But I will draw that distinction from the other point that I'm making as well, which I do say is, with respect to your point, Ian, it's a good point.
00:49:58.140
The other point, of course, being people who are raised and being poisoned by false information, which creates a worldview where they genuinely believe that cops, for instance, murdered 20,000 unarmed black men in one year, when the number was actually nine out of 300 million interactions.
00:50:14.540
They live in a world of fabrication, when someone is suffering from schizophrenia, and there is something broken in their brain, where they believe that—literally, they hear voices, and they see things that aren't there.
00:50:32.780
We prescribe drugs that we believe will stop those symptoms and help them connect more with reality.
00:50:42.720
But there's a big difference between someone who has just seen 800 times posts on Facebook saying, white supremacists will kill you over and over and over again.
00:50:52.040
CNN and ABC, trusted news sources, saying the right is more dangerous.
00:50:58.820
No, I think less is more a lot of times, too, is reduce the things you're putting into yourself so that you can be more clear.
00:51:05.640
And there are people I've seen snapping out of this narrative in the last day or two where they're like, I can't be on the left anymore.
00:51:15.640
And people that are highly disembodied don't normally have those epiphanies.
00:51:20.640
Right, because they've silenced their own brains.
00:51:24.580
They've silenced their own measure of cognition.
00:51:27.120
But I think what you're saying about people snapping out of it, it takes something, right?
00:51:31.720
It takes something for people to get out of this mindset.
00:51:34.440
Like, I was raised pretty liberal and I went to, you know, all the liberal schools and all the, you know, I was in the arts, for goodness sake.
00:51:44.320
Like, it's the most liberal area of our culture.
00:51:46.820
And it took trans for me to be like, wait a second, that's not right.
00:51:53.520
Men aren't women no matter what you do, no matter what you cut off or ingest or how you look or put on lipstick.
00:52:04.060
And so it takes something for people to be like.
00:52:06.720
And then after that, I started, I was like, oh, wait, if that's wrong, what else is wrong?
00:52:12.540
Oh, all of these other things are completely wrong, you know, are completely misidentified in our culture and are made up.
00:52:21.600
But we have a situation now where not only are kids medicated and disassociated from themselves and started at a young age so that, you know, and the same is true with the puberty blockers and the cross-sex hormones.
00:52:32.820
It messes you up to the point where you don't grow up into the person who you are.
00:52:36.720
You grow up into something else, something that's sort of malformed.
00:52:39.720
But like, so what happens is if that's what happens to you and you grow up this way and you're constantly scrolling and you never take in and you're constantly navel gazing, like you were saying, you know, you're constantly like looking inside yourself for all the truth of the universe, you know, and your school is not great, which we know our education system is the pits right now.
00:53:04.160
Where are you getting something? And nobody's taking their kids to church, you know, you don't see a lot of that.
00:53:10.840
I mean, like my church is packed, which is awesome. It's the best church I've ever been to.
00:53:14.500
But you're doing all of this to this kid. You're never feeding them Charles Dickens.
00:53:23.020
You're never feeding them just some carrots and hummus.
00:53:26.140
You're never feeding them their own, you know, ability to explore the world.
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And you're just constantly feeding them a heavy dose of their own inner monologue.
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Like, that's devastating. They're getting no fresh input. It's just all this closed circuit.
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I think a lot of this, when I think about my own trajectory, my kind of awakening was that you had, my equivalent was waking up to this, the fact that I'd basically been indoctrinated into a psychiatric framework for understanding myself.
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So that was my first onion layer that then began questioning many other onion layers.
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And when I think what the challenge here that you're getting at is my own waking up process was a completely internally sourced aha moment.
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No one could have, I mean, the information was around me for years that there's no such thing as a chemical imbalance.
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And like, Tim, even schizophrenia, even these serious diagnoses, it might sound shocking, but to date, there is zero evidence that even, like, bipolar was my main label.
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Schizophrenia, bipolar, these serious labels, that there is actually any measurable pathology that's causing them.
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So, like, the indoctrination goes deep. We're so trained to think it.
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No one could have forced me to see that. No one could have coerced me into changing my mind.
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Like you said, Libby, it's this, like, internal aha moment that you have within yourself.
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You had that rock bottom, right? When you got involuntarily hospitalized and you realized your freedoms were getting taken away.
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And that sent you on a new trajectory where you're just like, this is not for me.
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That is what woke me up, was realizing this system I'd been turning to for help for all these years.
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I just hadn't seen it before because I had always said yes.
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And now that I'm saying no, I'm literally having my civil liberties stripped away from me and my bodily integrity violated by a drug I don't want to take.
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And I do think that sometimes it is a forcing mechanism that is traumatic, that does wake you up.
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And you obviously don't want that to have to be what everyone has to go through to wake up.
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Like if you have an ideology or a way of looking at the world that does not serve you and your life begins to suffer.
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And I mean, this could be thinking that, you know, half of America is racist and because of that, you don't get along with them.
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I mean, that's going to have an impact on your life.
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And when things don't work out for you, you become unhappy.
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And I guess one of the problems that we have with that is people aren't reflecting on these ways of moving through the world that aren't helping.
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They can then go to a doctor and just take a medication.
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And they can numb themselves to the fact that their life isn't working out rather than looking at why.
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They said when someone was saying that if you spend a lot of your time doing easy things, you become a prey animal.
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You become, in like video games, if you're just always doing like no-risk things, you become.
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And I've noticed with drugs, if I've ever smoked pot, I'm like, what my main focus is is feeling better.
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And if you make your environment better, you will feel better in the long run.
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And that's why we have such a big problem with just numbing it out all the time.
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This is the smoke alarm going off in your brain saying, hey, something is not working and you need to fix it.
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You mentioned change your environment and you're talking about the smoke alarm.
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And years ago, I went to my doctor because I was having like a horrible time sleeping.
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Then I would wake up and I just could not sleep.
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And it had been like two months, three months of like just terrible sleep.
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And my doctor was like, okay, well, why don't we get you some Ambien?
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And, you know, it's sort of fun because you get loopy.
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And then the same thing would happen except instead of waking up all night, I was having nightmares all night.
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And I would wake up and I'd be like, oh, that's not better.
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And so after a week of that, I went to Sleepy's over the weekend and I bought all new pillows.
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And I literally, now I just buy new pillows if I'm having trouble sleeping.
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But imagine if the problem like that you weren't sleeping was there was an issue in your relationship.
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Or there was an issue at work that really needed to be addressed and you were ruminating on it.
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And you go and see a doctor and they go, Libby, it's the chemical imbalance.
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That problem just like festers there and it doesn't go away.
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And then you were hooked on a drug instead of actually getting to the root of what was going on.
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It's not because you're eating ice cream at midnight.
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And sometimes, you know, I worry this trans, like, I mean, there's been talk recently about transgender,
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and transgenderism, the medications, and violence, really.
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And I know a couple of weeks ago there was this horrific attack at the Catholic Church.
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Yeah, in Minneapolis where they, where, was it Robin or, yeah?
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It was Robert who called himself Robin Westman.
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And then there were these notes about regretting transitioning.
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You have someone who is confused, who ends up getting cheerleaded into transitioning,
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who knows what kind of hormone medications they were exposed to,
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and what kind of psychiatric medications they were exposed to.
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And at the end, they become so bitter and angry with the world, like this bad ideology.
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And the fact that no one ever tried to direct this person back away from them,
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kind of just, I imagine this person getting cheerleaded through transitioning and then onto medication
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and then just becoming so unstable, they take it out on society.
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Not just regret, but not only did he have regret, he was embarrassed that he'd ever done it in the first place
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and didn't see a way out, didn't see a way to save face and get out of it.
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Yeah, and this might sound a little cheesy, but I do think that this is where storytelling becomes so important
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because that sense of hopelessness is too late for me, like when I think about it in the context of
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people who are waking up to, you know, being on, being psychiatrized is the term I like to use.
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And you realize these two decades of these meds I've been on, have they permanently damaged me?
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Am I ever going to have a chance? You need stories of people who've gotten through.
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You need stories of people who've had the same experience, come through the other side.
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I mean, it's why I wrote my book and it's why I think when you speak as a psychiatrist,
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when I speak as a former patient, you know, framing it in our own personal journey,
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like you Libby talking about your own journey, I think that's what enables...
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Like to me, it's not going to be information and science and data and facts that changes people's minds.
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It's going to be connecting, helping people connect or even reconnect with their own hearts,
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And, you know, that people like Charlie, like people who care so deeply about bringing people together
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to share about their own perspectives, their own experiences,
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to create space where you can hear someone talking about their own journey through life,
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their own belief system. It's in those kinds of encounters that the opportunity to have your own
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aha moment, your own shift, your own, you know, inspiration to actually change your mind,
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to evolve, to grow. I think it sounds cheesy, but to me, it's like, that's where the power is.
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There's a reason it's cheesy. It's cheesy because it's real.
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And it's amplified in the modern age with mass media, because if five people sit around
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and each give their personal anecdotes, in a day 150 years ago, it would have happened, blink of an eye.
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Maybe there would have been some spiritual ramification. Now, with internet video, it's persistent.
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People, for 100 years, will listen to that and remember.
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So, as it can go bad with mass media and mass formation, it can go...
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You can mass form it into a really good mindset.
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I think we're at, like, an inflection point where society is almost, like, post-apocalyptic right now.
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Like, I don't even know if there is a way to even go back with, like,
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I mean, once... Now that we have the internet, like, we're done.
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I mean, I don't know how a kid can even grow up and not, like, I guess, be aged at such a rapid rate
01:03:19.200
that doesn't even, like, match up with their puberty.
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So, I think a lot of kids are mentally ill from the internet.
01:03:25.360
And then they say when you start smoking marijuana, it actually stunts your maturity level
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So, like, we have a society of kids that are all on weed, all looking at porn.
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And I just... I'm not trying to be hopeless, but it's really hard to be successful in such a bad world.
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I want to ask, is there a medical term to describe a developed psychosis?
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Santa Claus at any moment is going to jump out and stab you,
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and then you start telling medical professionals
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that you're terrified and shaking and have anxiety
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Just... Even though it was something told to you that was...
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we call that just standard delusional disorder.
01:04:32.300
We're dealing with a couple different phenomena.
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Facebook switched from reverse chronological to algorithmic,
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meaning that we used to just see the posts of people we chose to see.
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Facebook, realizing that the amount of pages and friends a person had
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had become too great and the feed moved too quickly,
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they needed to prioritize posts with more engagement,
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and thus created the algorithmic social platform.
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If you post a video of police beating a black man,
01:05:19.400
So let me describe it a little bit more broadly.
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There were children at the time who were not supposed to be on Facebook,
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I think 13-year-olds are allowed to be on the platform.
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Facebook prioritized showing high-engagement posts.
01:05:31.580
So they began just showing nothing but police brutality videos.
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largely were covering the police brutality angle,
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And if you were government-critical or concerned about police overreach,
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And if you were left-aligned anti-racist or whatever,
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which was a Ron Paul Libertarian Love Revolution site.
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the bigger reaction they got was from those who opposed racism.
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You then post a video of racism, you get Y views.
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But if you post a video about racist police brutality,
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If there are 10 people who pay attention to police brutality
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It is a rapidly exponential boost in the algorithm,
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In fact, one website cracked the top 500 websites in the world,
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People who are posting these videos began to realize,
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One of the viral stories was that BLM protesters
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10 grand or whatever writing a story like that.
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because it typically would result in high engagement.
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It is not that their brains are broken in some way.
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and it resulted in algorithmically generated content
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and so that's why you get people radicalized like that
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and we need to fight against these conservative influences
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the church shooting that happened two weeks ago
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that it actually resulted in real-world instances
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and there was one video that had seven million views,
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but the video itself generated so much attention
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Caleb Is Salty put out this video three months ago,
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as a reasonable adult on the left or the right,
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What the average adult on the left does not understand
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with the exact same content in the political space.