The Culture War - Tim Pool - Cyber Truck Bombing & Terrorism, 2025 Threats To The Homeland

00:00:00.000 Get ready for Las Vegas-style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos.

00:00:05.880 Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas Strip excitement MGM is famous for

00:00:11.120 when you play classics like MGM Grand Millions or popular games like Blackjack, Baccarat, and Roulette.

00:00:17.940 With our ever-growing library of digital slot games, a large selection of online table games,

00:00:22.900 and signature BetMGM service, there's no better way to bring the excitement and ambience of Las Vegas home to you

00:00:29.320 than with BetMGM Casino. Download the BetMGM Casino app today.

00:00:34.940 BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly.

00:00:37.480 BetMGM.com for T's and C's. 19 plus to wager. Ontario only. Please play responsibly.

00:00:42.660 If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you,

00:00:45.600 please contact Connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor, free of charge.

00:00:53.860 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario.

00:00:57.060 And here they come, the in-store ProLine better.

00:01:01.580 Walking towards the counter, ready to score great iron glory.

00:01:04.620 A few taps on their phone and now they're showing it to the cashier!

00:01:08.400 Did you notice that speed?

00:01:10.300 Folks, they created an NFL bet slip on the ProLine app and with one scan, the bet is placed.

00:01:15.660 They're all set for kickoff!

00:01:18.140 Get same-day cash payouts.

00:01:20.680 Download the app and bet NFL in-store with ProLine.

00:01:24.160 18 plus, terms and conditions apply.

00:01:27.060 On January 1st, 2025, the United States suffered the worst terror attacks in recent memory.

00:01:39.200 At 3.30 in the morning, a former U.S. Army HR and IT specialist mowed down 15 people in New Orleans.

00:01:46.140 The Ford Lightning he was driving flew an ISIS flag.

00:01:49.420 Then, only a few hours later, a vehicle-borne improvised explosive device exploded outside Trump Tower in Las Vegas.

00:01:57.000 Thankfully, there were no casualties.

00:01:59.440 Today, we have two experts on national security, Kyle Serafin and George Hill.

00:02:05.260 Why don't you guys go ahead and introduce yourself?

00:02:06.760 Kyle, why don't you go ahead and give people a little background information?

00:02:09.400 Sure, Phil.

00:02:09.940 So, I'm a former FBI agent.

00:02:11.440 I worked for the FBI of 2016 to 2023, I think is what they consider it.

00:02:15.700 I spent time working in counterintelligence, spent time working on the counterterrorism threat, and now I am an FBI whistleblower.

00:02:22.960 So, I have no job there anymore, but I do run a podcast, and so that's what I do for a living.

00:02:26.280 We like whistleblowers.

00:02:27.880 George?

00:02:28.280 So, I'm a retired FBI supervisory intelligence analyst.

00:02:33.360 Got sucked into this vortex with all the post-January 6th shenanigans, but I did 13 years active duty Marine Corps, multiple deployments there during the height of the Cold War.

00:02:46.900 Was fat, dumb, and happy on September 11, 2001, also a Navy Reservist at that time.

00:02:53.560 I'm a trained interrogator, so did multiple deployments with the Navy in that capacity, post-9-11.

00:03:03.080 In 2005, was recruited by the National Security Agency, where I became their very first pursuit leader, where I did find, fix, finish operations for them.

00:03:13.620 And life intervened, wound up working for the FBI in 2010 as the National Security Intelligence Supervisor for the Boston Field Office,

00:03:22.400 where I had counterterrorism, cyber, and counterintelligence.

00:03:25.800 In my spare time for two years, I was also the co-supervisor for the Boston Marathon Bombing Task Force.

00:03:32.340 And, yeah, I've had a very interesting ride, most of which was not by my choosing.

00:03:40.220 There's a lot of history and experience there.

00:03:42.560 Thank you guys for joining us.

00:03:45.660 Kyle, we were talking a little bit before about your connection with the, or your behind-the-scenes information about the bombing in Las Vegas.

00:03:55.360 Why don't you go ahead and kind of elaborate on that story?

00:04:00.140 Yeah, so like a lot of things that happen, you're just kind of in the right place at the right time, or you know the right people.

00:04:03.980 So for folks that have been tracking that story, they understand that there was an email that was sent over to a guy named Sam Shoemate,

00:04:09.580 who I knew by reputation but didn't know personally.

00:04:11.900 He happened to be friends with a mutual friend of mine named Rob Green, who's a commander in the Navy, active duty, whistleblower,

00:04:16.620 a guy who's been pushing back against the vaccine mandates and things like that.

00:04:19.180 So done a lot of good work.

00:04:21.000 Rob reached out and called me on last Thursday and just said,

00:04:23.920 hey, man, would you take some information or help Sam get some information to the FBI?

00:04:27.300 And that was how I knew that what was going on was credible, because people don't volunteer hoaxes to the FBI.

00:04:32.540 That's a felony.

00:04:33.420 Generally speaking, it's going to get you into a lot of hot water.

00:04:35.740 And Sam Shoemate spent like 21 years in the Army, top-secret clearance, not the kind of guy that's going to be messing around with that.

00:04:40.980 So they reached out to me.

00:04:41.980 I facilitated a handoff to the Vegas special agent in charge or the supervisory special agent running the squad doing that investigation.

00:04:51.580 And then they subsequently reached back out to me to confirm the route of that evidence coming in.

00:04:56.540 And since then, the guy named Spencer Evans, who runs the field office there, has confirmed that they believe that came from the guy, Matt Lillensberger.

00:05:03.320 So it sounds like that was a legit email.

00:05:05.100 Now, whether the information is legit is probably a totally other story.

00:05:08.200 I think George has some weigh-ins on that.

00:05:10.060 But it wrote me into this little space where there's a lot of people that are seeing a conspiracy theory where there doesn't need to be.

00:05:15.300 We're dealing with a space where there's so many operations being run and people keep thinking they see the op.

00:05:20.080 George has illuminated for me the way that Americans are being duped regularly,

00:05:25.140 which is the fact that ops are run within ops.

00:05:27.560 They are always kind of working in counter-occurrence to each other.

00:05:30.640 And so if you think you've figured out what the op is, which is I think a lot of folks that are probably sitting in your audience right now, like I pegged it.

00:05:36.500 That is the op.

00:05:37.520 The op is to get you to believe one thing while they can do something else.

00:05:40.580 I always call it the laser pointer theory.

00:05:42.020 It's like a cat.

00:05:42.960 You show the laser pointer.

00:05:44.280 The cat attacks it.

00:05:45.080 But the hand is somewhere else.

00:05:47.300 And it's manipulating you to think you see what's going on.

00:05:51.100 It makes a good internet video.

00:05:52.560 But in reality, that's what's going on for our intelligence agencies.

00:05:55.260 They constantly are manipulating our opinions and our attention span.

00:05:58.680 And if they can get you to go over here, then you're not going to pay attention over here.

00:06:01.900 It's like, did you ever see the movie Lucky Number 11?

00:06:04.320 No.

00:06:05.140 Did you really not?

00:06:05.900 No.

00:06:06.080 Oh, my God.

00:06:06.600 I don't watch a lot of movies.

00:06:07.840 Bruce Willis, Morgan Freeman, Sir Ben Kingsley.

00:06:10.460 It's fantastic.

00:06:11.240 Lucy Liu's in it.

00:06:11.860 You fall in love with her.

00:06:12.460 If you don't like Asian women, it doesn't make a difference.

00:06:14.500 It's totally irrelevant.

00:06:15.800 But the whole point of it is that they have a thing called the Kansas City Shuffle.

00:06:18.960 And the Kansas City Shuffle is basically convincing you that there's going to be a con job on you,

00:06:23.140 like a three-card Monty.

00:06:24.600 But in reality, somebody's picking your pocket.

00:06:26.200 So they might let you win the three-card Monty game.

00:06:28.340 You think you figured out what the con was.

00:06:30.200 In reality, someone's picked your pocket, and they've gone and emptied your bank account.

00:06:33.340 So the con is not the con that you think it is.

00:06:36.200 That's what a Kansas City Shuffle is.

00:06:37.580 And our intel agencies do this at a very high level with more layers than that all the time.

00:06:42.720 That's why everyone always feels like there's a PSYOP going on.

00:06:44.920 Yeah.

00:06:45.140 Because they're constantly getting PSYOP.

00:06:46.180 Because there is a PSYOP going on.

00:06:47.020 Yeah, you just don't know what it is.

00:06:48.320 George, you mentioned January 6th and how that kind of changed things for you.

00:06:53.600 Can you elaborate on that?

00:06:55.440 At that time, I was the co-supervisor for the high-intensity drug trafficking area for New England.

00:07:04.160 So I had the five-state area.

00:07:05.620 And I was located in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Fusion Center.

00:07:10.200 You want to bring this about a fist distance from your face?

00:07:13.160 There you go.

00:07:13.900 Yeah.

00:07:14.400 So I had two FBI analysts working for me.

00:07:19.400 One at the Boston Regional Intelligence Center, the BRIC, it's referred to, in Boston, co-located in the headquarters for the Boston Police Department.

00:07:28.480 And then the other one was right there in the Commonwealth Fusion Center.

00:07:32.120 Now, the Fusion Centers are a post-9-11 construct.

00:07:35.460 There are 56 of them across the country.

00:07:38.860 And the purpose for that is to be able to push intelligence down to the local law enforcement level in an expeditious manner.

00:07:47.440 So when January 6th happened, the FBI went into full disinformation mode.

00:07:55.820 Two guys by the name of Steve Jensen and Steve D'Antuono instituted these twice-daily conference calls for over a month to all 56 fusion centers.

00:08:06.240 And when you're—it was a call-in.

00:08:10.040 So they would speak.

00:08:11.220 You would listen.

00:08:11.880 So there were thousands of people on these phone calls listening to this narrative twice a day, which, if I distilled it all down, they were breathlessly explaining how our democracy had almost fallen.

00:08:24.200 And that there is a vast network of right-wing nutjobs from Seattle to Miami, from San Diego to Bangor, Maine.

00:08:33.040 And this in itself is bad enough, but it gets much worse because they're talking to these fusion centers.

00:08:41.960 And in these fusion centers are representatives from each state.

00:08:45.740 So you have state police colonels and other people that report directly to the governor, or the governor themselves has the wherewithal to listen to these conversations.

00:08:55.340 So this narrative was being beamed into every state capital in the United States for over six weeks, twice a day, how the country almost collapsed.

00:09:06.740 And that was a watershed moment for me after COVID and all the shenanigans with that.

00:09:13.280 It's like, I got to get out of here.

00:09:15.880 And, you know, so I retired, you know, about, I don't know, about 10 months after that.

00:09:22.420 OK. So if considering the fact that, you know, it's it's it sounds like the federal government kind of turned inwards and started focusing on on American citizens.

00:09:38.600 How much do you think that or how, you know, why is it that they didn't have a better ability to prevent the two terror attacks that we're referencing?

00:09:49.900 You know, 15 people died.

00:09:51.620 And and if if the government is, you know, is actually taking this massive apparatus that it built and designed to use on foreign entities, how did they fail to prevent the two attacks that happened on January 1st?

00:10:08.460 So I think it's important for your audience that that we start at the very beginning and the beginning is January 12th, 2001 in Camp David, when George Bush sat down with Bob Mueller and said, I know you're going to catch these guys, Bob, but what are you going to do to stop the next one?

00:10:26.400 And at that time, national security changed from the apparatus that I grew up in, in the Marine Corps for 13 years in from protecting the continuation of the United States and the protection of the Constitution to no American shall die at the hands of a terrorist.

00:10:44.840 So giving George Bush and the intelligence community the benefit of the doubt on January or September 12th, their motives were altruistic, that we need to stop this sort of thing from happening again, because my first deployment was doing boardings at sea with the Coast Guard.

00:11:02.820 We didn't know anything about what was going on.

00:11:05.520 And we'll get into my time at Guantanamo Bay later, but we didn't know anything.

00:11:09.460 So we overreacted in an exponential fashion to basically subverting the Constitution and the civil liberties protected therein to keep one single American from being killed by a terrorist.

00:11:26.660 So we developed, you know, we had the Patriot Act, we expanded FISA, and we created, we lumped the FBI into the intelligence community.

00:11:37.920 Up until the Patriot Act, the FBI didn't even have an intelligence component.

00:11:43.020 So when George Bush had this conversation with Bob Mueller, Bob not just stepped on the gas, he stood on the gas pedal, and the FBI almost doubled in size.

00:11:53.640 They increased by about 45 percent the number of personnel to become a domestic intelligence agency.

00:11:59.720 And then they gave him all these intrusive tools to make sure that no American shall die of terrorism.

00:12:05.820 And it was just a few months ago that the Congress just reauthorized FISA, which certainly didn't stop Jabbar in New Orleans, did it?

00:12:15.460 And it didn't stop the Sonata brothers in Boston, which I'm intimately familiar with.

00:12:20.160 So I don't have a good answer for you, Glenn, you know, a happy answer.

00:12:26.020 Yeah.

00:12:27.380 Kyle, do you have any kind of take on the failures?

00:12:32.900 Considering, again, considering the apparatus, considering the extent that the government has gone to to violate people's rights,

00:12:41.400 to absolutely shred the Constitution, in my opinion, they have all this technology.

00:12:48.400 I mean, we are night and day beyond where we were in, you know, in 2010, never mind, you know, 2001.

00:12:55.780 So how do you think if you were, you know, actually a representative of the federal government, how do you justify it?

00:13:02.980 Well, I used to be.

00:13:03.840 So there's that.

00:13:04.680 Yeah.

00:13:04.960 So look, badge and gun.

00:13:06.260 If you carry a badge and gun for the United States government and your job is supposed to be to protect the Constitution,

00:13:10.940 you're not really protecting the Article 1 powers, the Article 2 powers.

00:13:15.220 You're not protecting that there is a judiciary and how it's established.

00:13:17.840 Like, that's not what your job is.

00:13:19.080 Your job is to protect the Bill of Rights.

00:13:21.080 And I think we should be more specific about that.

00:13:23.100 I'm not 100% sure that when I swore in, I swore in as an enlisted guy in the Air Force,

00:13:27.120 when I swore in as an FBI agent, I'm not sure I could tell you every single, you know, one of the first 10 and what they were.

00:13:33.540 I can not only tell you what they are, but I can detail them, and I refer to them regularly now.

00:13:38.100 So that's something that should be part of, you know, your training.

00:13:40.640 And it really wasn't.

00:13:41.460 I mean, I know they cover, like, they didn't quiz us on it, and I think that's important.

00:13:45.160 But let me try to do this.

00:13:47.560 What George just said, that change in the mission, there's two pieces to it.

00:13:51.960 One, the mission changed, and we can track that evolution.

00:13:54.480 And it's about eight years-ish each time.

00:13:57.980 Times three gets us to 24.

00:13:59.320 So from that period of time, we started off looking for international terrorism.

00:14:03.480 People overseas doing bad things overseas and trying to bring them to us.

00:14:07.460 That ran out.

00:14:08.440 Also, we had a military that was over there doing some good work.

00:14:10.820 So the GWAT, actually, whether people like it or not, people are into war,

00:14:13.820 the fact of the matter is we tied up the enemy overseas, and they couldn't bring it to here as easily.

00:14:18.280 Which was the argument that was being made a lot of the time.

00:14:20.700 And again, whether people like it or not, fight them over there so they're not fighting here.

00:14:24.680 It's very effective when it comes to eliminating or slowing down the spread of international terrorism.

00:14:28.700 And that's what it's called inside the FBI.

00:14:30.180 That's what the investigative agencies call it, IT.

00:14:32.720 Okay?

00:14:33.240 The second piece of it is they start looking around for people that are inspired by international terrorism.

00:14:37.300 So essentially, they ran out of bad guys.

00:14:39.620 The long and short of it is internationally, they were effective at their job.

00:14:43.480 And so they ran out of bad guys to get.

00:14:46.440 Here.

00:14:47.460 They ran out of the here ones.

00:14:48.840 Okay.

00:14:49.080 They didn't run out of the ones internationally?

00:14:50.340 No.

00:14:50.540 There was international.

00:14:51.800 Yeah, there's plenty.

00:14:52.400 That's like an unlimited thing.

00:14:53.220 But the hopper that made it into the United States and the hopper of people that were actually able to do that, they were overseas dealing with our military forces.

00:15:00.880 Okay.

00:15:01.060 So DOD is handling that.

00:15:02.340 DOJ is looking internally and they've run out.

00:15:04.100 So they found a new sort of space.

00:15:06.080 They found a new thing to operate on.

00:15:07.580 And those were known as HVEs, right?

00:15:09.800 Homegrown Violent Extremists.

00:15:11.060 You'll see that term, but most people can't define it.

00:15:13.340 Homegrown Violent Extremists means they're here.

00:15:15.520 Green card.

00:15:16.520 Legal immigrant.

00:15:18.160 First or second generation with a foreign ethnicity.

00:15:20.520 They came up in another culture.

00:15:22.900 Foreign ideology.

00:15:24.300 U.S. person, by all of our legal standards.

00:15:27.120 And so you said about-

00:15:27.960 Foreign ideology.

00:15:28.380 So you said about eight years.

00:15:29.340 So this is 2008, 9, 10 areas when that kind of started to happen.

00:15:32.700 Yeah, check my math on that.

00:15:33.620 I mean, George, does that sound about right?

00:15:35.320 Yeah.

00:15:35.740 Somewhere towards the end of George Bush moving into Obama.

00:15:38.640 Okay.

00:15:39.140 Like, it's nebulous where that happened.

00:15:40.440 Sure, sure, sure.

00:15:40.980 But here's how bad we know it was.

00:15:42.560 There was a thing called Operation Flex that the FBI did.

00:15:45.260 And if you don't know this, this is why the Muslim community is not going to operate and

00:15:48.320 help out with what happened in New Orleans.

00:15:50.320 I don't really blame them.

00:15:51.680 I advise people not to talk to the FBI.

00:15:53.240 If they knock on your door, I have four letters for you.

00:15:55.460 A, B, C, D.

00:15:56.400 Always be closing the door.

00:15:57.980 Like, politely, you don't have to be a dick, but close the door and thank you for coming.

00:16:01.840 Leave a card and I'll never call you or my attorney's will.

00:16:04.100 So I don't blame the Muslim community that's looking around going like, the FBI doesn't have

00:16:08.360 our best interest because of things like happened in Operation Flex.

00:16:11.440 And Flex was as follows.

00:16:12.840 The FBI recruited a source.

00:16:14.100 He was a, what do they call him?

00:16:16.220 Like a multi-ethnic looking man who could pass for various things.

00:16:19.180 He could have been an Italian.

00:16:20.100 He could have been Sardinian.

00:16:20.960 He could have been Middle Eastern.

00:16:22.100 And they had him go into mosques in Orange County.

00:16:24.720 And if you guys don't know this, check my math on it.

00:16:26.260 But it's like 2006 is when this went down.

00:16:28.020 There was a Supreme Court case that the Supreme Court came down on the side of the government

00:16:32.480 in 2022.

00:16:33.740 And they said national security is more important than your religious liberties, essentially.

00:16:37.240 For me, that's atrocious.

00:16:38.280 But Operation Flex was essentially a guy that went in.

00:16:41.020 He tried to recruit Muslim guys in these mosques and radicalize them or have them essentially

00:16:45.420 radicalize him.

00:16:47.000 He presented himself as a target.

00:16:48.660 And he came in doing it by being like a hyper-masculine guy that wanted to take them to the gym and

00:16:52.980 teach them how to be manual men.

00:16:54.280 And he was like a weightlifter.

00:16:56.260 Operation Flex.

00:16:56.980 Get ready for a Las Vegas-style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos.

00:17:03.620 Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas Strip excitement MGM is famous

00:17:08.540 for when you play classics like MGM Grand Millions or popular games like Blackjack,

00:17:13.840 Baccarat, and Roulette.

00:17:15.680 With our ever-growing library of digital slot games, a large selection of online table games,

00:17:20.700 and signature BetMGM service, there's no better way to bring the excitement and ambience

00:17:25.700 of Las Vegas home to you than with BetMGM Casino.

00:17:29.640 Download the BetMGM Casino app today.

00:17:32.720 BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly.

00:17:35.220 BetMGM.com for T's and C's.

00:17:37.140 19 plus to wager.

00:17:38.280 Ontario only.

00:17:39.160 Please play responsibly.

00:17:40.420 If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you,

00:17:43.540 please contact Connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor.

00:17:50.560 Free of charge.

00:17:51.580 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario.

00:17:54.780 If your kid thinks, I'm not a math kid, think again.

00:17:58.420 With Mathnasium, every kid can be a math kid.

00:18:00.700 At our learning centers, we customize math instruction for each student.

00:18:03.900 So advanced kids get challenged and struggling kids get better.

00:18:06.640 Visit Mathnasium.com forward slash CA to find a location near you.

00:18:10.360 Actually where it came from.

00:18:11.140 That's actually the name of it.

00:18:12.300 Kind of silly.

00:18:13.280 But when you see that they did that, by that time, by the time that they were doing these

00:18:16.440 attempting to recruit people in mosques, they'd run out of a lot of what they were looking for.

00:18:20.440 So they pivoted to this HVE concept.

00:18:22.760 Again, U.S. born or U.S. legal foreign ideology.

00:18:26.640 And they eventually ran out of those.

00:18:28.260 But once you start looking for terrorist threats within your own country,

00:18:32.500 the second piece of the argument is government.

00:18:34.920 Government exists for the sake of government.

00:18:36.580 If you guys think the government serves you, you're probably listening to the wrong show.

00:18:39.940 You probably don't need to be told that.

00:18:41.780 Government serves itself.

00:18:42.980 You're listening to the right show, but you're going to learn the right information now.

00:18:45.660 Yeah, if you happen to be a government supporter, that's not where I live.

00:18:49.200 I'm an anti-government kind of guy who happened to work for the government.

00:18:52.500 It's actually who you want to be working.

00:18:54.080 You need people in the military that distrust the military.

00:18:56.380 You need people that work in the government that distrust the government.

00:18:58.780 They are the only hedge against them overstepping.

00:19:01.260 And in fact, that was actually what the Durham report said, if you ever read it.

00:19:03.900 They said that they couldn't fix it with policy, procedure, or law.

00:19:06.340 You have to have good people inside of an FBI to get an FBI that does its job properly.

00:19:10.000 And by good people, it means people that are skeptical of the bureaucracy itself.

00:19:14.380 Correct.

00:19:14.780 100% that.

00:19:15.660 So once you've started looking in there and you start looking for domestic violent extremists,

00:19:19.360 we've gone from IT, international, HVE, homegrown.

00:19:24.200 Now we're looking at DVE.

00:19:26.040 That's you and me.

00:19:27.040 Which turns into anyone that's skeptical of the government or sufficiently skeptical of the government.

00:19:32.180 If you're an American, that's why they were talking about if you're a constitutionalist,

00:19:38.480 if you too strongly believe in the Bill of Rights, if you're too critical of the government,

00:19:42.580 then the federal government is going to turn its eye on you.

00:19:44.820 And that is an extremely uncomfortable position for average Americans to be in.

00:19:48.700 It's 100% the problem, but they've started looking domestically.

00:19:52.040 And the reason people go like, why would they do that?

00:19:54.100 The reason is money.

00:19:55.220 There's a certain amount of funding that funds the counterterrorism programs.

00:19:58.640 And in order to meet those metrics, you have to put the hours in.

00:20:01.320 You have to work the number of cases.

00:20:02.640 It's way easier to go set up Philabonte than it is to go out there and find a guy who's going to run his truck into somebody in New Orleans.

00:20:09.360 That's a lot more work.

00:20:10.560 So they become lazy like every other government employee.

00:20:12.900 That doesn't mean they're bad people.

00:20:15.280 It means that they found the easiest way to achieve their mission.

00:20:18.100 So I want people to understand it's not always nefarious.

00:20:20.840 Oftentimes, it's simply this is the way that we're doing it.

00:20:24.360 George can obviously add on that.

00:20:25.240 Yeah, there's a lot to pull apart there, especially when it comes to homegrown violent extremists.

00:20:31.580 The last terrorist attack that was directed from a foreign entity was the Times Square bomber in 2010.

00:20:39.000 That gentleman got training from L.E.T., Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is a Taliban-based group out of like in the Paktika province under the Northwest Territories of Pakistan.

00:20:49.740 They operate in that area, and they're actually putting a lot of pressure right now on the Pakistani government, which we don't want that to collapse because they have nukes.

00:20:59.980 So we don't want a Taliban with nukes and American weapons and training.

00:21:03.500 I don't want to get out of it.

00:21:04.800 But this is where the law becomes problematic, where you need a FISA to go up on someone who has a connection to an FTO, a foreign terrorist organization.

00:21:17.540 So, goodness gracious, who was the guy that Obama droned the USPIR, the U.S. citizen in—

00:21:25.460 Anwar al-Awlaki.

00:21:26.380 Anwar al-Awlaki.

00:21:29.240 So they were just using content from al-Awlaki, but they were able—the FBI was able to go in front of a FISA judge and say,

00:21:38.620 they're being directed by an FTO, a foreign terrorist organization.

00:21:41.960 And, in fact, what they are are just American citizens self-radicalizing, seeking out some sort of guidance from, in most cases, overseas.

00:21:57.060 Really, when KSM, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, went to Guantanamo Bay, that essentially ended the foreign-directed—FTO-directed attack possibility in the United States.

00:22:11.380 When al-Baghdadi was taken out and ISIS collapsed during the Trump administration, that ended the ISIS-FTO-directed threat in the United States.

00:22:23.480 So, as Kyle said, these organizations are, you know, are on—everywhere across the Middle East, from the Sahel, North Africa, the Middle East, through the Caucasus, they exist.

00:22:38.520 Where we get into erasing the lines that the government is supposed to operate in is saying, oh, if you're absorbing content from an individual overseas, you're now getting direction from an FTO.

00:22:56.520 And nothing could be further from the truth.

00:22:58.600 So, there are over 1.3 billion Muslims in the world.

00:23:03.020 If the Islamic faith was a problem to the Constitution and American security, we would know about it.

00:23:10.220 What the issue is, is with that far fringe known as Wahhabist—

00:23:14.440 Osama bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Zawahiri, al-Baghdadi, ISIS, those groups.

00:23:22.400 So, what we have are life.

00:23:25.800 Life is complex.

00:23:27.000 What the Wahhabists offer is simple solutions to complex problems.

00:23:30.820 And people gravitate towards this.

00:23:33.320 And we saw that with the Sonarevs.

00:23:36.260 When the Sonarevs went to trial, when Tamerlun was dead, Jahar, we were able to show to his defense team, in discovery, the whole self-radicalization process that he went through.

00:23:51.380 But it was all self-initiated on his own initiative.

00:23:59.560 But yet we were able to get a FISA because that content was being developed overseas.

00:24:03.860 He wasn't receiving direction from anyone.

00:24:07.280 No one from Chechnya or Dagestan was directing him.

00:24:13.120 But because that content was developed overseas, you can get a FISA on somebody.

00:24:17.780 So, this is where it gets really murky, where the lines are painted on the road, and then they just get run right over while the paint's still wet.

00:24:26.040 So, that further devolves into these right-wing, as President Biden said in Philadelphia and has repeated numbers of times, that it's domestic violent extremists that pose the greatest threat to the country.

00:24:43.620 Michael Scharrenberger is finishing up a piece.

00:24:45.800 He did a deep dive on the data.

00:24:47.380 The data doesn't support that.

00:24:48.720 That's the narrative that you hear.

00:24:52.920 And obviously, because of the fact that for 12 of the past 16 years, we've had a Democrat in the executive, large, usually majorities of Democrats in the House and Senate.

00:25:08.420 So, that's something that the left has politicized in the U.S.

00:25:12.080 So, consider this.

00:25:14.020 It's not even the politics of it.

00:25:15.880 It's a cultural problem.

00:25:17.140 We were talking about it before we got started here.

00:25:18.840 But one of the things that happened is that the political left has basically demonized American values.

00:25:22.900 They've demonized the things that we used to agree with.

00:25:25.640 I had a very reasonable conversation.

00:25:27.300 My mother-in-law is on the left and is a reasonable human being.

00:25:30.780 And when we sat down, I said, let's just put this to a fine point.

00:25:33.600 If you took Democrats from the early 90s and you brought them out here to 2025, they would be hard right.

00:25:39.360 But that's how far the Overton window has shifted.

00:25:42.400 If you look at the Trump administration, you've got Donald Trump, who was in the 90s and aughts a Democrat.

00:25:47.600 You've got RFK, who's always been a Democrat.

00:25:49.960 Tulsi Gabbard, who moved over from the Democrats because of things like what we're saying.

00:25:54.460 She was being watched by her own government as a lieutenant colonel.

00:25:58.460 By the way, we're about to see that happen in Los Angeles as well.

00:26:01.160 I heard Adam Carolla talk about it the other day on his podcast, sitting in a hotel room.

00:26:05.020 So, this was like a viral video.

00:26:06.060 It was a fantastic argument.

00:26:07.320 What he said is, everybody has these great theoretical ideas.

00:26:10.820 This is the way the world should work and this is how it should operate.

00:26:13.000 And if you're very successful, you're like, I'm successful.

00:26:15.000 I have a lot of money.

00:26:15.760 I'm a big Hollywood star.

00:26:17.380 Right up until you've got to go pull permits and deal with the building commission.

00:26:19.980 And you start running headfirst into actual government that you actually voted for.

00:26:23.880 And you realize it doesn't work in reality the way it does in theory.

00:26:27.000 And that's only, he was referencing California government.

00:26:30.400 He wasn't talking about federal government.

00:26:31.880 Correct.

00:26:32.180 Which is the biggest leviathan possibly on earth.

00:26:34.460 Maybe China's got a bigger government and more in depth.

00:26:37.300 But the United States is definitely one of the largest governments in human history.

00:26:41.380 But consider the cultural issue.

00:26:42.540 Because you talked about politics of it, and that's one thing.

00:26:44.700 But the cultural issue is that we've had a political left that has been going into the cultural space and telling young kids that the place you're from is racist.

00:26:52.400 It's sexist.

00:26:53.260 It's misogynistic.

00:26:54.560 It's Islamophobic.

00:26:55.640 It's very bad and no good.

00:26:57.280 And when you start doing that, what you've created is an opening for some people, not a lot, but a small enough people that you can find now, folks, that are going to look for an answer.

00:27:06.120 Well, if this is so bad, what's good?

00:27:07.920 And as George just said, and I think it's a very succinct way of saying it, when you present a simple answer to very complex problems and you open up the possibility that your homeland is the problem, that you are the enemy, then you've got now fertile ground for some of these self-radicalized people to pop up.

00:27:23.740 And they do grow there.

00:27:25.100 And so we're creating them, and at the same time, our federal government is incentivized to find them and or create them themselves.

00:27:31.500 And this cannot be—

00:27:32.300 Wait, that's the self-licking ice cream cone.

00:27:34.720 So if you've worked in D.C., you know that's the analogy.

00:27:36.840 It's like, why does the ice cream cone lick itself?

00:27:38.640 It's like, because there's ice cream and it has a tongue, and that's what tongues do.

00:27:41.080 They look for ice cream, and ice cream needs a tongue, so they just exist for each other.

00:27:44.520 Government serving government.

00:27:45.500 It's the worst possibility.

00:27:46.800 It's inevitable, too.

00:27:47.580 So this is something, this particular, the ideology that you're referring to, that's something that we talk about here all the time.

00:27:53.740 The fact that the general zeitgeist in the United States is that the United States is a force for evil in the world.

00:28:02.860 And I think that when you continue to shove that idea down people's throats, you're going to end up with people that are—I mean, I don't want to say—well, maybe they are nihilistic and stuff, and so then they don't see a reason to support or endorse their own community.

00:28:21.800 Never mind the government or the nation as a whole.

00:28:25.260 They don't see anything good from their own community because they're always looking for, well, this particular said something that was a microaggression, and this particular person has this bad opinion.

00:28:35.580 And, well, now everybody is somehow morally deficient.

00:28:40.280 And if everyone they come in contact with is morally deficient, well, then why should this society even exist?

00:28:46.980 And I think that that's something that if you want to expand on, George, I think that it's something that culturally we need to fix, but it's not going to be fixed by government.

00:28:57.500 So, I mean, what is it that you think could be done to begin to change this kind of—this attitude?

00:29:05.180 So, I grew up just outside of Philadelphia, totally immersed in the Revolutionary War, all the events leading up to it.

00:29:17.880 I was in the private sector for a while in between military careers, and they have this—it's called Signer's Walk in front of Independence Hall.

00:29:24.780 And on there is each signer of the Declaration of Independence, and if you go out and do a little bit of research, you'll see that most of them met with really god-awful deaths.

00:29:37.120 I was a scoutmaster for eight years.

00:29:39.140 I'm an Eagle Scout.

00:29:40.000 I was a scoutmaster for eight years, and I'm talking about first, second, third graders, understand the basic foundations of a constitutional republic and basically in human nature, which our founders understood very well, and the failings of human nature.

00:30:05.400 Until you start bringing that into the schools, I think Lyndon Johnson got rid of civics education at the end of his administration.

00:30:13.900 That was probably the beginning of the end.

00:30:16.760 I went to Catholic school through elementary school, but, you know, and even when I was in public high school, we still, you know, said the Pledge of Allegiance, we had a moment of silence.

00:30:26.380 We don't—those basic things, basic understanding of human nature, of the founding principles of the country, and recognizing that, you know, even Christ himself didn't speak out against slavery, that mores and folkways change as people evolve.

00:30:47.480 And just because people lived a certain way 200 years ago, it doesn't make them inherently evil.

00:30:52.800 That was just the time that they lived in.

00:30:55.660 But then go on and embrace and be proud of the evolutionary process that has occurred over the last 100 years, where, you know, black people are not considered second-class citizens or even second-class human beings, or that women shouldn't have a place at the table and be allowed an opinion.

00:31:13.000 You know, we shouldn't chastise the people that adhere to those sorts of ideas, but we should embrace and be proud that we've evolved beyond that.

00:31:24.340 But for some reason, we insist on projecting 100, 200 years back our own values and principles that exist today, when in fact, you know, to some extent, we should be proud of those values and principles and how they've evolved.

00:31:37.120 So just back the basics, bring back the basics, civics education, but it's going to take a long time.

00:31:45.120 I read a couple of informative books back in the day, Closing of the American Mind by Bloom, I can't remember his first name, and Raising the Optimistic Child.

00:31:55.160 So I saw this coming back in the 90s, and so we're talking 30 plus years down the road of destruction that has taken place.

00:32:03.560 It's going to take a while to rebuild it, and we don't have to indoctrinate anybody.

00:32:07.940 We just have to teach history as it happened.

00:32:11.240 Yeah.

00:32:11.480 I think that the ideological bent that is being taught in schools, not just in schools, but in the schools that teach our teachers.

00:32:22.200 So the teachers that, when they get out into the, you know, your K through 12 and your basic, you know, basic education, they're already ideologically motivated.

00:32:35.000 And I think...

00:32:36.120 The worst thing that I remember reading is that the lowest average GPA and standardized testing scores going into colleges go into the College of Education.

00:32:45.540 Oh, God.

00:32:45.960 And these are the people that are turning around and teaching.

00:32:47.340 So, look, I'm a radical.

00:32:49.640 Somebody the other day, they tagged me on X, and they were just like, they were like, hey, man, this guy, you know, he's a researcher into extremism.

00:32:55.840 I don't want you to...

00:32:56.620 I'm like, I am an extremist.

00:32:58.080 I'm an extremist.

00:32:58.860 Like, by any measure, I'm an extremist.

00:33:00.780 I think the Constitution should be the law that we go by.

00:33:02.820 Go figure.

00:33:03.320 Like, that makes me crazy.

00:33:04.340 I also homeschool all my kids, which is to say that I married a woman who has a master's degree, by the way.

00:33:08.940 She was out there in the world doing normal things.

00:33:11.080 She was earning a living.

00:33:12.760 And then when she got pregnant, go figure, man.

00:33:15.000 And not only did she, she started off as basically either agnostic or atheist, and she was baptized Catholic, and she wears a veil to church now.

00:33:20.820 We go to church every Sunday and all the holy days.

00:33:22.880 So, the funny thing for me is that we've kind of radicalized in a way that's more traditional, because we've looked at the landscape and said, this is not appropriate.

00:33:30.200 Well, not only...

00:33:30.860 I don't want to have to worry about my kids and somebody else's care.

00:33:32.940 Like, I'm going to care about them more.

00:33:33.980 Not only is it not appropriate, it doesn't work.

00:33:36.340 Right.

00:33:36.620 Regardless of whether or not you are a devout Christian or a devout religious person, because I think that it's not just specifically Christianity that works.

00:33:46.960 No, there's good people.

00:33:47.900 No doubt about it.

00:33:48.500 The things that you're taught when you're a devout, when you're devoutly religious, pardon me, it teaches you to...

00:33:56.900 Get ready for Las Vegas-style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos.

00:34:02.580 Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas Strip excitement MGM is famous for when you play classics like MGM Grand Millions or popular games like Blackjack, Baccarat, and Roulette.

00:34:14.240 With our ever-growing library of digital slot games, a large selection of online table games, and signature BetMGM service, there's no better way to bring the excitement and ambience of Las Vegas home to you than with BetMGM.

00:34:26.900 MGM Casino.

00:34:28.600 Download the BetMGM Casino app today.

00:34:31.640 BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly.

00:34:34.160 BetMGM.com for T's and C's.

00:34:36.100 19 plus to wager.

00:34:37.240 Ontario only.

00:34:38.120 Please play responsibly.

00:34:39.140 If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor, free of charge.

00:34:50.540 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario.

00:34:53.740 Their entrance makes the bingo balls rumble in fear.

00:34:58.840 The free space is free out of respect for them, and their dabs are too fast for the naked eye.

00:35:05.140 They're not just grandmas.

00:35:06.720 They're grandmasters.

00:35:08.940 Betty, Dolly, Martha, queens of Delta Bingo, haulers of the haul, and they're here to teach the next generation of players.

00:35:18.540 Learn what it takes to be a bingo master at grandmasters.ca.

00:35:23.060 Must be 18 plus.

00:35:23.960 Play smart.

00:35:24.320 To not throw your trust behind the government.

00:35:27.280 It teaches you to throw your trust into your God and your family and your community as opposed to some far-off government.

00:35:33.660 So if you have people that are living their lives in what would be considered a religious way, which is something that the government doesn't want at all, because then you're not deferring to government.

00:35:46.480 You're deferring to something that you consider a higher power.

00:35:48.740 You end up with people that are more self-sufficient, and you end up with tighter communities and people that actually have hope in the future as opposed to the kind of atheist—and I'm an agnostic, so it's not that I'm particularly—

00:36:03.120 We'll radicalize you later.

00:36:04.240 You know, I've heard people say that.

00:36:06.600 Here's the funny thing about what you're saying, though.

00:36:09.060 This is a religious discussion, whether anybody likes it or not.

00:36:11.560 When you're talking about politics right now, I've done some very small kind of like PragerU-style, I guess, breakdowns.

00:36:18.920 People on the right who are conservative that want the government to leave them alone oftentimes are people of faith.

00:36:24.800 But if they're not—

00:36:25.760 Look at the Amish.

00:36:26.800 If they're not people of faith, they are still people that have a certain moral code, and if they're honest, they know where that moral code came from.

00:36:32.560 Maybe they think they're post-Christianity.

00:36:34.120 Maybe they think they're post-assigning it to a specific religion.

00:36:38.200 But if you were to track back, where do those virtues come from?

00:36:40.420 Why do you think about the things that you do in the way that you do?

00:36:42.900 It's a pretty straight line right back, and it goes back about 2,000 years.

00:36:46.300 So that's good.

00:36:47.240 I think that's a good thing because we share common values.

00:36:49.360 Then you look at the people on the left.

00:36:50.840 The people on the left right now have made government a god.

00:36:53.540 They have elevated to the position of god all the good things will be stowed by this government.

00:36:57.740 This government is the thing that gives us equity.

00:36:59.700 It gives us money.

00:37:00.600 It gives us health care.

00:37:01.800 It gives us all the human rights.

00:37:03.220 It allows us to speak, and it tells us what is good and bad speech.

00:37:06.400 And you look at it, and you go like, okay, bro.

00:37:07.840 So we're having a religious discussion with people that are having a zealous position

00:37:12.660 behind their religion, which is leftism.

00:37:14.540 And it's a secular religion.

00:37:15.660 It doesn't have a true god.

00:37:16.860 And then you're dealing with people on the other side that are operating in good faith

00:37:19.560 from saying real faiths are out there.

00:37:21.800 They're both faiths.

00:37:22.780 They're both real.

00:37:23.760 They're in conflict with each other because one has tried to elevate man to the level of

00:37:27.420 God and an institution of man to the level of God.

00:37:30.180 For me, that's the no-go.

00:37:31.940 That's why I'm not going to send my kids into school.

00:37:33.480 And like I said, we're full radicalized, like my baby, my 18-month-old, born in my

00:37:38.020 house, has never seen a doctor, not once, born with a midwife, paid out of pocket and

00:37:43.140 cash.

00:37:44.000 And she's healthy, and she's fine, and she's great, and she runs around.

00:37:47.180 She's nuts, you know, because she's a toddler.

00:37:49.320 But at the end of the day, if you want to, you know, we're dealing with these conflicting

00:37:52.640 worldviews.

00:37:53.780 And I think a lot of people don't really accept the terms.

00:37:56.320 If you ever want to mess with somebody on the political left, which is a totally fun thing

00:37:59.180 to do, but you should do it in a loving way, I think, the way that you do it is you ask

00:38:03.060 questions.

00:38:03.580 You do it Socratically, okay?

00:38:05.480 And obviously, we should get much deeper into the terrorism and why the U.S. is dealing

00:38:09.200 with this new kind of small fringe of rash that threatens us.

00:38:12.620 But if you want to dismantle folks on the left, how many people have ever come to you

00:38:15.980 and told you you're a piece of garbage and now you're going to change your mind?

00:38:19.440 Like exactly zero on Twitter that I've seen, right?

00:38:22.340 It doesn't, it's not effective.

00:38:23.720 It's not effective.

00:38:24.640 Ask questions.

00:38:25.400 I've radicalized people, or I've at least made them question their own, their thoughts by asking

00:38:28.960 them, where did your values come from?

00:38:30.300 What do you believe is good?

00:38:31.420 Oh, I want my kids to work hard.

00:38:32.540 I want them to have a good job.

00:38:33.460 I want them to be nice to women.

00:38:34.680 I want them to see people for who they are and judge them based on their actions and their

00:38:38.760 character.

00:38:39.700 And it's like, oh, okay.

00:38:41.140 Well, why are those good?

00:38:43.560 Yeah.

00:38:43.780 How did you know that was good?

00:38:44.940 Well, I just did.

00:38:45.820 Really?

00:38:46.680 What kind of religion did your parents rage you with?

00:38:48.660 What kind of religion did they grow up in if you didn't grow up with a religion?

00:38:51.560 At the end of the day, you contract almost all Western values, and I'll call them

00:38:55.140 Western values, to a Judeo-Christian position.

00:38:58.320 And if you don't honestly recognize that, then you just make them wonder and walk around.

00:39:03.460 Look, I want people to have ideas smashed into their head, and I want them to have that

00:39:07.380 disagreement.

00:39:08.100 At some point in time, they'll wake up and go, this isn't working.

00:39:10.940 And the example is, like I said, I had an agnostic slash atheist wife.

00:39:14.760 She got baptized.

00:39:16.440 And two days later, the FBI took my badge and my gun.

00:39:19.160 I don't think those things are accidents.

00:39:20.880 I don't see them as accidents because there's been too many examples in my life recently where

00:39:25.140 I'm walking down a path where I'm seeing evidence of this.

00:39:28.540 Not everybody has the same examples.

00:39:30.880 But man, I'll tell you what, when they start hitting you in the face over and over again,

00:39:34.440 you have a moment of self-doubt, and someone calls you up and says, hey, by the way, I

00:39:37.520 know you're fighting with the FBI.

00:39:38.700 I just found out that the assistant director is banging people on the side, and we have

00:39:41.580 his side piece's phone number if you want to reach out and call her.

00:39:44.260 And you go like, oh, yeah, they are evil.

00:39:47.720 They are doing bad stuff.

00:39:48.820 It's not me.

00:39:49.480 I'm not the crazy person here when I'm pushing up against my own agency.

00:39:52.240 And I've had constant reaffirmations of that.

00:39:55.400 And I think George and I have shared some of these things together where it's like, if

00:39:59.600 you don't have self-doubt about what you're doing when you're going up against big agencies

00:40:02.460 or big organizations or institutions, you're a sociopath, probably.

00:40:06.780 But when you have reaffirmations, it's like, no, no, no, we're right.

00:40:10.320 And we're just trying to do the thing that gets us back to a status quo from, let's say,

00:40:13.620 the 80s, which would have been way better.

00:40:16.280 So let me put it to a level where a crayon-eaten jarhead can understand it, me.

00:40:23.060 My favorite color is red.

00:40:25.400 If you don't believe that you answer to a higher power, the only guidelines, the only

00:40:30.960 guardrails you're left with are laws.

00:40:34.260 Yeah.

00:40:34.560 Right?

00:40:34.960 So this is why one of the reasons we're in this situation we're in today is that you do

00:40:42.060 what you can get away with because you don't, there is no final accountability.

00:40:47.140 These aren't new ideas either.

00:40:48.140 Nietzsche was talking about this in the late 1800s.

00:40:51.060 He, when, you know, the people love to go ahead and quote the, you know, God is dead

00:40:55.620 and we have killed him as if that is some kind of triumph.

00:40:58.440 And if you know anything about Nietzsche, he knew how dramatic that was and how terrible

00:41:03.800 that was going to be.

00:41:04.780 And he predicted all of the horrors of communism and Nazism, the absolute bloodbath that the

00:41:11.140 21st century was.

00:41:12.300 I'm sorry for cutting you off, but.

00:41:13.480 No, no, 100%.

00:41:14.820 I mean, it's just, this is why, you know, you start at the podcast, the show like this

00:41:20.120 is like, this is, you know, how did we get to this point?

00:41:22.660 And, um, in some aspects it's complex and in others it's, it's actually quite simple.

00:41:28.520 We, we've, we've obliterated the lines.

00:41:30.740 Yep.

00:41:31.220 We've removed the guardrails and the only accountability that is out there now is what

00:41:36.320 can you get away with?

00:41:37.800 Something that I've talked about a lot and, and we talk about here on this show is the

00:41:42.240 left, in my opinion, the left wants people to be, uh, they don't want people to have hope

00:41:48.360 and they want people to despair because happy people with hope for the future don't become

00:41:53.700 revolutionaries.

00:41:54.680 And so if you look at the society and you say, I have children.

00:41:57.820 Yeah.

00:41:58.340 Yeah.

00:41:58.660 Yeah.

00:41:59.260 I mean, that's true, but, but that, I mean, children are, uh, are emblematic of hope,

00:42:03.520 right?

00:42:03.700 You don't have children.

00:42:04.660 If you children make people hopeful because you're going, you can't help, but hope for

00:42:09.360 better things for your children, I think.

00:42:10.800 And so that's something that, you know, children are, are a manifestation of a hopeful society.

00:42:16.800 If you're a society that has hope for the future, you're going to be having children.

00:42:21.280 If you're a society that doesn't have hope for the future, you're going to have problems

00:42:24.460 like the U S is having, where we don't have people having kids and a declining birth rate

00:42:29.740 on purpose.

00:42:30.440 Listen, leftism is a religion of converts because I'm going to keep using that terminology.

00:42:34.200 It makes a lot of sense.

00:42:35.460 It's a religion of converts because they don't procreate because their values are talking

00:42:39.140 about George uses the term climate paganism, which I absolutely love.

00:42:42.200 And that's, that's, that's completely accurate.

00:42:44.720 It is.

00:42:44.960 It's, it's, it works within the system.

00:42:46.380 It's like, we have our own system of beliefs that the mother Gaia is really the end all

00:42:49.780 be all.

00:42:50.100 Look, I could care less about the planet.

00:42:52.200 I'm going to be completely transparent about that.

00:42:54.220 I do not care about the planet for its own sake.

00:42:58.260 Cause it's irrelevant to me.

00:42:59.540 We're meant to be good stewards of it, but not for the sake of the planet.

00:43:02.340 It's for the sake of human beings to thrive and, and have, you know, happiness.

00:43:06.480 So if you want to be a person who has kids and I have four and I'd like to have more, if I,

00:43:10.200 if we have time, we'll figure it out.

00:43:11.300 It's like, well, you move your way into the world.

00:43:13.880 And if you don't, then you give your kids, like the kids are looking around.

00:43:16.560 If you're not going to model that example, somebody will.

00:43:18.780 And sometimes those people are Islamists and they're going to go out there and give this

00:43:21.560 simple excuse.

00:43:22.140 Like, Hey, by the way, your system is bad.

00:43:24.420 It's evil.

00:43:25.080 It's oppressing our system.

00:43:26.120 If you want to be part of it.

00:43:27.080 And George and I have both investigated these types of people and you just go.

00:43:30.680 So that's a great, go ahead.

00:43:31.860 Sorry.

00:43:32.180 Yeah.

00:43:32.360 So when I was in, in, in Gitmo's, I was the Saudi Arabian team chief, uh, before that,

00:43:37.040 the non-commissioned officer in charge, there were Saudis down there.

00:43:40.120 I was there in 04.

00:43:41.100 So Gitmo had been open for two years.

00:43:43.000 There were detainees out there that hadn't said a word.

00:43:45.200 It's the best counter interrogation technique you can use is not say anything.

00:43:50.220 And you can't shut a Saudi up when you start talking about religion.

00:43:55.920 Yeah.

00:43:56.020 Um, one of the reasons that the Afghans hated them so much is because they were so highfalutin,

00:44:03.260 um, that the only way to read the Quran is in Arabic and we're better than you.

00:44:07.600 And we're here to show you the way.

00:44:09.880 And so I was very fortunate.

00:44:11.580 I had a linguist who was a professor at Al-Ansar university in Cairo.

00:44:17.300 Um, so he was part of that 1.3 billion.

00:44:20.600 That's not a problem.

00:44:22.160 Yeah.

00:44:22.340 And, but in order to get a Saudi to open up and start talking so that we could actually

00:44:27.320 do the mission that we were sent there to do, you had to understand religion.

00:44:32.500 And I spent a year studying at the hands of an honest to God Islamic scholar and then being

00:44:39.700 schooled by Saudis who went to Afghanistan to fight, uh, in jihad.

00:44:45.180 So religion, and Americans need to understand this.

00:44:50.160 If you're concerned about radicalization and homegrown violent extremists, Americans need

00:44:55.120 to understand just because not you, the people seated in this room, just because religion

00:45:01.280 isn't important to you, know that to a Muslim, it is central to their life.

00:45:07.960 It is a complete form of existence.

00:45:12.160 It comes complete, not just with a religion, it comes complete with a system of governments

00:45:16.440 and law enshrined in Sharia, S-H-R-I-A.

00:45:22.180 There was a district in Minnesota, I believe it was Keith Ellison's district, that tried

00:45:27.620 to make Sharia the law of the land there.

00:45:30.280 Thank goodness we have the supremacy clause, and that was quickly shot down.

00:45:34.280 Um, but in the Islamists' faith, in the Islamic faith, if you are not living under Sharia

00:45:39.800 law—this is the way the Wahhabists believe—if you're not living under Sharia law, you are

00:45:44.960 an apostate, which is a crime punishable by death.

00:45:47.960 So this is this chasm that exists within Islam that has existed since the time of Muhammad.

00:45:54.460 And every now and then, like every couple hundred years, Islam goes through this explosion of

00:46:00.300 violence, trying to push forward this fundamentalist, Wahhabist ideal on society.

00:46:07.760 There are other elements going on, though, at the same time.

00:46:11.400 We have Turkey, who is seeking to reinstitute the caliphate, not like Baghdadi, but that's

00:46:18.240 where the caliphate was located before, before Ataturk, and Turkey became a secular nation.

00:46:24.220 But Turkey has a growing population, they are a country in ascendancy, unlike its neighbor

00:46:31.180 to the north, Russia, and they are seeking to exercise power in the region, to become

00:46:39.200 a regional hegemon.

00:46:41.180 So this is all intertwined.

00:46:44.740 Our own issue with our own paganism, our own issues with homegrown violent extremists,

00:46:50.560 the rise of an Islamic Turkey, and the spread of the more fundamentalist Islam across the

00:46:59.240 region.

00:46:59.980 Is that something that you consider to be, you know, I mean, you've got a lot of experience

00:47:06.240 clearly with dealing with that region.

00:47:10.520 Do you consider the Islam still on the rise and still something that is a threat to the

00:47:18.380 United States, or do you think that it's something that the United States needs to be aware of,

00:47:22.860 but is benign?

00:47:26.160 So up until about...

00:47:28.020 And when I say threat, I'm talking about like the Wajabia, sorry.

00:47:30.820 Yeah.

00:47:31.420 So about it, up until about six months ago, I taught a master's course at Endicott College.

00:47:37.700 It was the capstone course.

00:47:39.200 And one of my test questions in both when I taught asymmetric threats and the capstone course

00:47:43.460 was, you know, why haven't we seen a major FTO, foreign terrorist organization, directed

00:47:51.680 attack in the United States since 9-11?

00:47:53.920 And the answer to that question is KSM is in jail.

00:47:57.260 The book Mastermind, I can't remember who authored it, covers very well just how brilliant KSM

00:48:04.180 was and the simplicity of the plan.

00:48:07.680 So I believe Sarah Adams has spoken about this at length.

00:48:12.780 Al-Qaeda and ISIS are two completely different...

00:48:16.300 They have two completely different goals.

00:48:19.240 Al-Qaeda is seeking regional hegemony over the area and looking at attaining dominance across

00:48:28.300 the region, where ISIS has largely been fragmented since the collapse of Baghdadi, and they are

00:48:35.280 more than willing to engage in homegrown violent extremists, put that ideology out there for

00:48:46.140 them to go out online and look at.

00:48:47.880 So yeah, Richard...

00:48:48.720 Who was that, Kyle?

00:48:49.800 Minitur, looks like.

00:48:50.660 Richard Minitur.

00:48:51.480 Yeah.

00:48:51.680 I highly recommend reading it.

00:48:53.480 Because people conflate...

00:48:56.500 You know, we don't want to conflate Islam with terror.

00:48:59.460 Yep.

00:48:59.960 Okay?

00:49:00.160 We don't want to conflate Wahhabism with Islam.

00:49:03.620 We don't want to conflate foreign direct...

00:49:07.320 Get ready for Las Vegas-style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos.

00:49:13.480 Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement MGM is famous

00:49:18.380 for when you play classics like MGM Grand Millions or popular games like Blackjack,

00:49:23.420 Baccarat, and Roulette with our ever-growing library of digital slot games, a large selection

00:49:29.160 of online table games, and signature BetMGM service.

00:49:33.040 There's no better way to bring the excitement and ambience of Las Vegas home to you than

00:49:37.220 with BetMGM Casino.

00:49:39.480 Download the BetMGM Casino app today!

00:49:42.580 BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly.

00:49:45.060 BetMGM.com for T's and C's.

00:49:46.980 19 plus to wager.

00:49:48.120 Ontario only.

00:49:49.000 Please play responsibly.

00:49:50.020 If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact

00:49:54.080 ConnexOntario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor, free of charge.

00:50:01.440 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario.

00:50:05.320 Their entrance makes the bingo balls rumble in fear.

00:50:09.980 The free space is free out of respect for them, and their dabs are too fast for the naked eye.

00:50:15.600 They're not just grandmas, they're grandmasters.

00:50:19.340 These are Betty, Dolly, Martha, queens of Delta Bingo, haulers of the haul, and they're

00:50:26.600 here to teach the next generation of players.

00:50:29.960 Learn what it takes to be a bingo master at grandmasters.ca.

00:50:33.940 Must be 18 plus.

00:50:34.840 Play smart.

00:50:35.400 Terrorist organ FTO directed terrorist attacks with homegrown violent extremists.

00:50:40.240 Because once you start blurring all that together, then it's a very, I hate to say it, but it's

00:50:46.340 a very short trip to the crazy guy who wants to drink raw milk and raise chickens.

00:50:53.100 Yeah.

00:50:53.600 You know, everybody becomes a problem.

00:50:56.280 We're all problems here.

00:50:57.360 Yeah.

00:50:57.640 I mean, it's true.

00:50:58.660 My wife is like, when do I get a cow?

00:51:00.100 So, but here's the crazy, because you're talking about threats.

00:51:03.940 You talked about Sarah Adams.

00:51:04.820 I heard that.

00:51:05.180 I've been listening to what she has to say.

00:51:06.620 We have so many potential threats coming into this country because we spent four years opening

00:51:10.580 borders.

00:51:11.440 We imported 100,000 Afghans.

00:51:12.980 One of the things that I had to do in the FBI was investigate major crimes on the bases

00:51:16.720 where we brought in, in my case, we had 20,000.

00:51:19.120 We had two different bases, Holloman Air Force Base, Fort Bliss.

00:51:22.180 They looked like Afghanistan in the places that had it.

00:51:24.180 We had 10,000 Afghans on each one of those places.

00:51:26.380 They had no idea what the rules were.

00:51:27.940 And I've recently put out a call that I had because I went and I lambasted the FBI's internal

00:51:32.340 affairs and I recorded the call.

00:51:34.080 So, like, it's kind of funny.

00:51:35.080 But one of the things I brought up in there that kind of blew people's minds is, like,

00:51:37.660 we brought in people that were fighters that we were aligned with in Afghanistan, that

00:51:41.800 were working on behalf of the CIA.

00:51:43.440 They were the classic, like, they've been co-opted, but we don't have a perfect agreement

00:51:46.740 with them.

00:51:47.260 We brought them to the United States because otherwise they were going to get slaughtered

00:51:49.680 when we pulled out.

00:51:50.420 Sure.

00:51:50.960 We brought them in.

00:51:51.620 We didn't tell them the rules.

00:51:52.760 They brought chai boy culture with them.

00:51:54.520 Ooh.

00:51:55.020 Okay.

00:51:55.240 I specifically, personally investigated a 17-year-old boy who was claimed to be 19,

00:52:00.920 whose ID said he was 19, but the guys forged it, or they forced it happening either in

00:52:04.800 Germany or in Qatar.

00:52:05.720 I can't remember which one.

00:52:06.940 Separated him forcibly from his family, brought him in, and were holding him as a sex slave

00:52:10.740 on a U.S. military installation over at Holloman Air Force Base.

00:52:14.860 Okay.

00:52:15.280 And you've got 30 men who are between the ages of, let's say, 32 and 50.

00:52:20.700 They're battle-hardened guys.

00:52:21.960 They were from the Coast Province Force.

00:52:24.640 Okay.

00:52:25.240 They were all working on behalf of the CIA.

00:52:26.840 They're getting paid in money and cash and trinkets and beers and, you know, electronics

00:52:31.240 and things like that by the guys in the CIA that are still trying to get intel out of

00:52:34.100 them.

00:52:34.620 While they were over in Afghanistan, or they're still here in the U.S.

00:52:37.380 Yeah.

00:52:37.920 Like outside of, you know, in New Mexico.

00:52:41.000 And so they're doing that, and they've got this kid basically under lock and key where

00:52:44.580 they've got a half dozen dudes watching him.

00:52:46.460 We went and liberated him.

00:52:47.400 I'm not even exaggerating.

00:52:48.220 We went in there with armed security forces, folks from the Air Force, pulled him out of a little

00:52:52.860 tent where he was being watched, and then separated him, and he never was able to see them again

00:52:57.060 because we were afraid something bad would happen, and we shipped him out to Virginia

00:52:59.260 to where his family was, you know, reunited him.

00:53:01.720 We brought that into the United States.

00:53:03.760 That's one example of people who just didn't have our culture.

00:53:06.200 Yep.

00:53:06.320 Now imagine that there were 100,000.

00:53:09.220 Of those, George, you know how many walk-offs there were that just walked off the base and

00:53:12.720 went into America?

00:53:13.960 Do we have numbers on that is what I'm asking?

00:53:15.920 I don't know.

00:53:16.440 Yeah, we do have exact numbers.

00:53:17.920 I don't know them off the top of my head, but it was a significant amount, like over half.

00:53:21.700 It's in the thousands of people that literally have no paperwork, no identification, no State

00:53:26.860 Department authorization.

00:53:27.860 They are not officially paroled into the U.S.

00:53:29.520 They straight up flew in here on a military aircraft.

00:53:32.340 They walked off a base because there was no authority to keep them.

00:53:35.000 They got into an Uber, and they joined whatever the hell network of people they had here.

00:53:38.740 Some of them probably have jobs, and they're working under the counter.

00:53:41.280 Some of them probably don't.

00:53:42.880 Now, would those people be considered illegal immigrants?

00:53:45.520 What do you do with that?

00:53:46.620 No person is illegal, Glenn.

00:53:49.440 The reason I ask is because with the incoming administration, right, with Donald Trump's

00:53:58.240 administration, one of the things that the American people are very clear about is they

00:54:03.040 are comfortable with deportation.

00:54:05.000 Yes.

00:54:05.340 Particularly with people that are either violent criminals, which I would consider the people

00:54:10.660 that would rape someone, a violent criminal.

00:54:12.700 Even if in their culture it's acceptable, it doesn't change the fact that in our culture

00:54:16.980 it's not, and that's a crime in the United States.

00:54:18.680 If they're doing that, they forfeit the good nature that the United States has, having allowed

00:54:25.800 them to come here, and they've got to go back.

00:54:27.560 Their legal status is dubious at best.

00:54:29.560 Again, there was a process.

00:54:30.680 The people that came in here from Afghanistan, and some of them I'm sure were decent human

00:54:33.700 beings, and some of them were assets.

00:54:35.240 Some of them spoke fluent English and had skills.

00:54:37.260 Like, I met a guy who was like, you know, computer codes in multiple languages, spoke

00:54:40.520 a couple languages, worked for the State Department.

00:54:42.200 Yeah, come on in, dude.

00:54:42.900 You're going to get like, you're going to get a DEI job over at Meta, but you're the

00:54:46.300 kind of guy I want here because you want to come in and do work and you actually have

00:54:48.980 a skill set, and great, fantastic, welcome to America.

00:54:51.840 We're going to give you a hug.

00:54:52.800 So I, yeah, I never answered your question about is Islam a problem or is this something

00:54:57.620 we need to be concerned about going forward?

00:55:00.320 Yes, but first, brief little segue, under Sharia law, for a woman to accuse a man of rape,

00:55:05.820 she needs two witnesses.

00:55:07.120 Yeah.

00:55:07.960 So, very, very, very different culture.

00:55:11.020 Thank goodness we have common law and the Constitution.

00:55:13.700 It's not rape if you didn't enjoy it.

00:55:18.140 Oh, God.

00:55:19.460 So, um, geez.

00:55:21.740 Sorry.

00:55:22.120 So dark.

00:55:23.080 You did invite a Marine onto this show, so.

00:55:25.240 It's fine.

00:55:25.720 It's the nature of the beast.

00:55:27.220 Um, as far as Islam becoming a problem, the answer to that question was on 9-12, yes.

00:55:38.360 That's, that's not the right answer.

00:55:40.180 Our policies simply need to change, and Kyle touched on it, which is securing the borders

00:55:47.360 and just adhering to the laws that we already have in place.

00:55:51.540 We don't have to go out and play whack-a-mole in this country.

00:55:55.580 However, it's incentivized to play whack-a-mole because the federal entities want to increase,

00:56:02.540 you want to make your rice bowl bigger.

00:56:04.600 You don't want anybody else eating out of your rice bowl, but you want to make your rice

00:56:07.760 bowl bigger.

00:56:08.820 You need a bigger budget, you need more people, you need more higher levels of SES positions,

00:56:15.380 senior executive service positions, you need the good six-figure job at Raytheon or Lockheed

00:56:20.960 or wherever once you leave, or, you know, so we've, again, back to the self-licking ice

00:56:27.120 cream cone, we've incentivized, um, usurpations of people's constitutional rights by saying that

00:56:35.720 Islam is a problem. The problem is, is we have the laws on the books and the policies, we just

00:56:41.980 don't enforce them.

00:56:43.840 Yep.

00:56:44.360 We just make stupid choices. Now, whether that's incompetence or intentional, I don't know. I think

00:56:51.280 it's probably a mixture of both.

00:56:52.500 It's, it's my, it's my, uh, intuition that it's, it's part of the leftist ideology, to be honest

00:56:58.220 with you, because I don't, I don't, I think that the left doesn't, there's a segment of the left

00:57:04.000 that doesn't believe it, not only doesn't believe in the exceptionality of the United States, but

00:57:09.660 doesn't believe that there should be any borders at all, that people are just people and they should

00:57:13.820 be able to move freely without it.

00:57:15.440 Unless they show up at Martha's Vineyard, in which case, if they don't have weed whackers and

00:57:19.160 leaf blowers on their back, get out of here.

00:57:20.880 Yeah. The people that are, that are, you know, that live on Martha's Vineyard, they're not actually

00:57:25.780 ideologically motivated. They're doing what they think is the nice and right thing. The people that

00:57:31.540 are actually kind of the thinkers and the, the people that write books and stuff like that,

00:57:37.200 they're a select small few and those ideas, and they're probably in the, in academia and

00:57:43.860 they come up with these ideas, which are then filtered through the New York times. And then

00:57:47.880 the average soccer mom, uh, you know, loony lefty, um, will read these, these think pieces

00:57:55.940 and only understand the very top layer of it. And then start telling her, uh, her HOA, the

00:58:02.380 people that she meets at her HOA and the people at her school, this is what we need to do

00:58:07.100 to, to, to, to make the world a better place. And so it's, it's not that they're actually,

00:58:11.900 uh, motivated by ideology. And this is something that Tim talks about. He says that woke is,

00:58:16.880 is blind obedience to whatever is the current thing, essentially the long and short of it.

00:58:22.000 And the vast majority of people that you would consider woke, they're not actually theorists.

00:58:28.120 They're not actually, um, they're probably, they might not even be inherently leftists. They just

00:58:33.060 are doing the thing that they think is the nice and good thing.

00:58:36.480 For sure. And so when you get, there's like three tiers to this, right? So you've got,

00:58:39.640 you've got the funders. These are the people that have the money. So they are spoken word. They,

00:58:43.600 they go with leftism, but they're still having kids and they're still getting married and they

00:58:46.600 still know what those institutions have value because it, it, you know, furthers their financial

00:58:50.160 position. Then you've got that, the, the elite communists, if you will, or the, the, my buddy calls

00:58:54.420 it elite and street. You got those two levels. One of them is the academics you're talking

00:58:58.180 about. So they don't have a ton of money, but they got a lot of influence. They've got all the

00:59:00.680 ideas. They're hardcore believers. They're the true, exactly the true believers in the leftist

00:59:04.820 ideology. They're your priesthood. They're your, your proselytizers. They are out there sharing

00:59:08.400 that sort of gospel of this thing. And then the last piece of it is the folks that are out there

00:59:11.740 activists. And they're usually, they're kind of useful idiots. They may or may not understand

00:59:15.300 exactly what's going on. The funny thing is this, the reason why we get these pendulum swings,

00:59:18.920 I believe, and the reason why we see this every, you know, so, so forward, it gets so far.

00:59:23.460 And then your people that are the funding class, not the elite ones that are the, the sort of the

00:59:28.500 activists, but the ones that are paying for it, but they don't really live on it. The minute they run

00:59:32.860 into those policies in their own life, they immediately get radicalized. Bill Maher was

00:59:36.360 the example that Adam Carolla brought up. He's like, dude, that guy took a thousand days to get

00:59:39.700 solar panels on a shack in his house in Beverly Hills. And you go, well, here I am. I have all

00:59:45.400 the right ideas. I say all the right things. I have all the right friends. I hold all the right

00:59:49.820 opinions. And I have enough money to make things happen. And I'm trying to do the thing you said,

00:59:53.260 which is do climate paganism and have all this, you know, stuff up on my, on my roof. And sure as hell,

00:59:57.820 I'm running into the planning commission and the zoning and the permits. And I might hurt the,

01:00:01.640 you know, the red bearded smelt that lives down here in the pond that may be, you know,

01:00:05.080 on the other side of the town. And now I can't put a freaking solar panel up. Like what the hell's

01:00:08.520 going on? And those people get radicalized against it. So we get a swing back to the middle,

01:00:12.440 which is natural and normal. I think we're on that move. I think a lot of people feel it.

01:00:16.080 I had people tell me that are leftist or that would otherwise sympathize with that. And they just go,

01:00:20.840 I'm glad Donald Trump won because the alternative was that we just kept going.

01:00:23.680 Well, you see that with people like Anna Kasparian and Jake Younger and, and a slew of people that

01:00:29.320 used to be on the left. Again, we were, you know, just a few minutes ago talking about the fact that

01:00:33.280 the, the, I think they were on the left though. I think that's the thing that we have to understand.

01:00:36.760 I think that the right has moved, has softened up. That's what a big tent looks like. That's why

01:00:41.260 people are going to be pissed about some people that Donald Trump has nominated. Not all of them

01:00:44.680 are going to be the people you love. I don't know. The fact is he's moderated on a bunch of stuff

01:00:48.480 because America is a place where you don't get everything you want, but you're supposed to be able to get

01:00:53.860 things so that everybody can kind of exist. And when I, when I say left, I mean, I'm, I'm talking about the

01:00:58.920 actual, the ideologically possessed people, the people that really believe it. And those people

01:01:03.660 I don't think are movable by, because they run into a problem with the, with the zoning board or

01:01:08.600 something like that. That's not going to change the way they feel because like you look at the

01:01:11.720 people that, uh, that are in New York city that are happy about the, the congestion tax, right?

01:01:16.580 That's a very left, uh, it's people that don't have cars, but they are people that don't have cars,

01:01:20.860 but they're also, they're out there saying, you know, it's good that there's this tax that,

01:01:24.400 you know, even if I have to pay more, those people are, are more ideologically possessed

01:01:29.300 than your, your average soccer mom and the people that are going to the PTA meetings and stuff like

01:01:33.600 that. So I do, I do agree with you. There are, um, people that are loosely affiliated that are like,

01:01:40.160 I'm doing all the right things. Why isn't this working out? And I think those people are move

01:01:43.740 movable, but I don't think that the people that are ideologically possessed are, are so movable.

01:01:47.780 Um, I want to get back to, um, you know, the, the extremism conversation, um, particularly as it

01:01:54.380 pertains to the guy that, you know, rammed the car into 15 people in, in New Orleans. Um, what is it

01:02:02.280 about Islam or a radical Islam? Because you, you'd mentioned earlier that ISIS didn't claim this

01:02:10.000 attack, right? So he, he was flying the ISIS flag and saying that he was doing it on behalf of ISIS,

01:02:16.060 but, uh, you know, most people are aware that if there is a, uh, an attack carried out by an

01:02:22.740 organization, they're jumping up and down saying, we did this, we did this, we did this. And that

01:02:26.800 wasn't the case with, uh, with the guy in New Orleans. Can, can you go ahead and get an elaborate

01:02:31.440 on that idea? And even if they didn't have anything to do with it, so get ready for a Las Vegas style

01:02:37.080 action at bad MGM, the King of online casinos, enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same

01:02:43.500 Vegas strip excitement. MGM is famous for when you play classics like MGM grand millions or popular

01:02:49.520 games like blackjack, baccarat and roulette with our ever-growing library of digital slot games,

01:02:55.740 alert selection of online table games and signature bet MGM service. There's no better way to bring

01:03:01.640 the excitement and ambience of Las Vegas home to you than with bet MGM casino. Download the bet MGM

01:03:07.980 casino app today. Bet MGM and game sense remind you to play responsibly bet MGM.com for T's and C's

01:03:14.080 19 plus to wager Ontario only please play responsibly. If you have questions or concerns

01:03:18.660 about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600

01:03:26.140 to speak to an advisor free of charge. Bet MGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with

01:03:31.020 iGaming Ontario. And here they come, the in-store ProLine better walking towards the counter ready

01:03:37.620 to score great iron glory. A few tabs on their phone and now they're showing it to the cashier.

01:03:43.240 Did you notice that speed? Folks, they created an NFL bet slip on the ProLine app and with one scan,

01:03:49.200 the bet is placed. They're all set for kickoff. Get same day cash payouts. Download the app and bet

01:03:56.660 NFL in-store with ProLine. 18 plus terms and conditions apply.

01:04:02.560 There was an attack in an immigration center in New York while I was in the Bureau and I can't

01:04:09.460 remember the organization. It wasn't L.E.T. It was one of the confederates, one of the groups

01:04:17.900 associated with them, but they were definitely in the news at that time. People were concerned about

01:04:21.700 them and they immediately took credit for it. And the investigation by both New York state police

01:04:30.980 and the FBI showed that there was no connection with that at all. But it's kind of like under the

01:04:36.720 ideology of that no press is, or that there's no such thing as bad press, that it's all good.

01:04:43.340 So if somebody does something bad, just go ahead and take credit for it because it's all good

01:04:48.380 anyway. So ISIS could have said, oh yeah, he's definitely one of ours. You know, we directed this

01:05:02.440 to take whatever they're going to say, to take credit for it. And even if the FBI came out and

01:05:07.740 said, no, no, there, there's no evidence of that. It doesn't matter. All press is good press. So it's

01:05:12.900 odd that, that, that they didn't, uh, that they haven't taken credit for it.

01:05:18.360 Why do you think that is? What, what does that change? Cause there's gotta be a change.

01:05:23.100 Because ISIS is not, ISIS is not what it was before al-Baghdadi, you know? So it's not a model.

01:05:32.640 They fight against each, there are multiple groups within ISIS fighting ISIS that claim to,

01:05:38.520 that actually flag, fly the ISIS flag. So ISIS Khorchand actually started off as the Khorchand

01:05:45.600 group, which left ISIS because ISIS was too warm and fuzzy for them. So Khorchand was like,

01:05:54.280 oh yeah, you're going to throw homosexuals off a roof. Well, we're going to light them on fire and

01:05:58.320 throw them off a roof. Ha ha. You know, so these groups all try to, to one up each other. So they're

01:06:04.700 all really, my experience has been that the only truly monolithic Islamic based ITO, international

01:06:14.640 terrorist organization is Al Qaeda. Yeah. All the rest of them are loose confederates, uh, with other

01:06:22.800 terrorist groups for a time being, uh, operating under that flag. Kind of like Canada, you know,

01:06:31.080 you got the 11 provinces, they're all Canada, but no, ISIS, Canada, you get it. You mentioned,

01:06:36.640 yeah, you mentioned, you mentioned al-Zahiri and you mentioned, um, al-Baghdadi. And there's an,

01:06:41.940 I, there's an idea on the left that essentially things are going to happen whether or not there

01:06:48.200 are like without, without a person. And I'm kind of of the opinion that people really matter. So

01:06:55.060 like you said that because Al-Zahiri is in jail, KSM is in jail. Um, there have been no significant

01:07:03.940 attacks and, and ISIS fell apart when al-Baghdadi was killed. Um, could you guys go ahead and, or

01:07:09.640 could you elaborate on that idea? Do you think that, that these organizations really do need that

01:07:15.540 man that is motivated to, to direct and instruct, or, or do you think that the ideology is enough?

01:07:24.060 So staying with a Jerry Nadler approach that, uh, you know, that Antifa is just an ideology. Um,

01:07:32.100 this is, again, this is where we get into trouble with the law, whether something is directed from a

01:07:40.460 foreign terrorist organization or a homegrown violent extremist, a large scale attack on the lines of 9-11

01:07:48.200 government required a, you know, the, not the heavy hand, but the guiding hand of ISIS in terms of

01:07:55.660 funding, I'm sorry, Al-Qaeda in terms of funding and training. And then what we see in ISIS relies so

01:08:03.480 much on the highly motivated individual. Now, could an HVE, a homegrown violent extremist,

01:08:10.760 gather together some like-minded individuals and conduct a large scale attack? Absolutely.

01:08:18.200 Um, it is a scary unanswered question why that hasn't happened yet. Kyle and I were talking

01:08:23.660 over breakfast this morning, you know, why wouldn't one person gather together another 15 or 20

01:08:32.560 individuals and say, look, on this date, at this time, no matter where you are, you're going to pull

01:08:39.100 out a weapon and start shooting and then send these people off into the four corners of the United States

01:08:43.960 and conduct an attack that way. And there's basically no defense against that. Yeah. People

01:08:50.980 forget that Al-Qaeda came about, the goal was to get the United States out of the region. When

01:08:59.080 George Bush 41 went in for Whack-A-Rack 1 to, to remove Saddam's forces out of Kuwait, um,

01:09:09.860 UBL, Osama bin Laden, offered the services of Al-Qaeda to do that for them. And the Kingdom of

01:09:18.240 Saudi Arabia, KSA, um, said, no, we're going to have the United States do it. So we have to look

01:09:24.480 at what the organization's goals are as to whether the possibility or the probability of them conducting

01:09:32.780 an organized attack is. So Al-Qaeda is regional dominance. They wanted the United States out of

01:09:39.600 the region. We get 9-11. ISIS is a confederation of various terrorist groups operating under the flag

01:09:48.980 of ISIS. Could someone get together with other like-minded individuals and conduct a large-scale

01:09:57.220 attack? Maybe not of the line of 9-11, but like we were talking about earlier, Kyle, you know, just

01:10:04.180 sending individuals out at a specified date and time and doing something bad. We have created

01:10:10.460 the environment for that to happen by letting in, let's just lowball the number, let's just say 10

01:10:17.480 million illegals in the country. If 1% of those are highly motivated Wahhabist, then you've got,

01:10:26.400 what, 10,000? We're talking about 10,000? Yeah. 10,000 people. You don't even need that. You could

01:10:30.920 have a tenth of a percent. Right. Still have it be an absolute critical mass. That's terrifying.

01:10:35.100 So again, back to my earlier point that it's policies that make us safe and are actually

01:10:41.560 enforcing our own policies and laws as opposed to running after individuals. So an organized attack

01:10:48.320 of the likes of 9-11 directed by an FTO, unlikely, an inspired, homegrown, radical extremist, violent

01:11:02.540 extremist? Yes. Absolutely. Could it take on the level of a 9-11 attack? Absolutely.

01:11:11.480 They just need the opportunity and, you know, the... A little bit of creativity. But instead,

01:11:19.920 this is where Kyle and I have an issue with the FBI and the whole integrated program management,

01:11:27.580 which hopefully we'll get a chance to get into, which is a... Yeah, just table that,

01:11:31.020 but we'll come back to IPM. Yeah. It's worth it. We'll come back to it. But where the FBI... If you look

01:11:35.720 at the terror cases that the FBI has been making, they almost 100% involve inserting an undercover

01:11:44.180 and saying, oh, we can get access to weapons. We can get access... You know, we had a case in Boston,

01:11:51.880 and NDA prohibited from going into details, but a guy who was going to attack the Pentagon.

01:11:57.180 He actually went to high school with a woman who worked for me who's now a special agent in Boston.

01:12:00.960 He was going to use model airplanes and attach explosives to them and fly them into the Pentagon.

01:12:09.460 And I can't remember the guy's name, and I probably shouldn't say it out loud anyway. He's in jail today.

01:12:14.080 This guy couldn't back a car down the driveway, let alone build the kind of model airplane sizes,

01:12:21.820 acquire those. He didn't have the finances. He didn't have the training. But in comes the FBI,

01:12:27.300 and we'll just move this guy along into an operational level. Now, Kyle had brought up earlier

01:12:33.780 about... What was it? Operation... What was it, Kyle? Operation Flex. Is this the guy that I'm

01:12:39.240 looking at here? It says, Massachusetts man charged with plotting attack on Pentagon and U.S. Capitol

01:12:42.640 attempting to provide serial support of... Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 2011, just so people can get the time

01:12:47.060 written on it. His name's out there in the public. So... Ferdas. Ferdas, yes. So if we had a better

01:12:57.880 relationship with the Islamic community, we would take people like Ferdas and have them get exposure

01:13:05.400 to the kind of person that I had exposure to, an Islamic scholar who can actually explain the faith

01:13:11.760 to them. But instead, the FBI sees it as an opportunity to claim a stat, to claim more

01:13:18.460 funding, to claim more usurpations of people's constitutional rights. And we see this exclusively

01:13:25.240 in the news coming out every day. And it's almost at a point where they don't make any effort to hide

01:13:31.580 it. Like, oh, we had a UC here, we had this covered, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean,

01:13:36.980 when have we seen a terrorist attack disrupt it because of a FISA? Never. It's always been after

01:13:45.860 the fact, but yet we continue to renew it. I mean, it's become a meme with the FBI, like...

01:13:50.820 He was on our radar. Yeah, he was on our radar. That's become a joke now.

01:13:54.300 That's essentially meaningless. Look, right now, I'm looking at this press release because it's

01:13:56.980 always in these things. This is what I do now instinctively, and I'll teach the audience to

01:14:01.240 do the same thing. When you see the concept, the FBI used an undercover operation to

01:14:06.780 conduct this investigation. Undercover operations are used to combat all kinds of crimes and

01:14:10.360 criminals, including counterterrorism. When you see that they flagged that there was a UC involved,

01:14:14.940 okay, and the FBI has two ways that they can move people in. You always hear the word fed.

01:14:18.720 In fact, I hear it all the time. Now I walk down the airline aisles, and on the left-hand side,

01:14:22.860 it says like, you know, 11, 12, 13, and it says FED for the seat numbers. And I'm like,

01:14:26.580 come on, you know, give me a break. No, but the idea that everybody is a fed,

01:14:31.060 we have to be really specific. Some of them are called confidential human sources. That's what the Bureau

01:14:34.600 uses for source work, which is what they were talking about. They were talking about the,

01:14:38.220 those were confidential human informants. They were on the ground on January 6th.

01:14:41.860 They were, but here's, I'll get real specific about it because that OIG report said a lot of

01:14:45.360 things and it didn't say a lot of things and most people didn't read the right stuff,

01:14:47.980 especially people that don't know what the FBI means. CHS is a very specific type of person.

01:14:52.660 That's your informant that most people are familiar with. Undercover. UC. That's another thing.

01:14:57.920 That's an FBI agent working in an undercover role. It's usually nominally backstopped. Some of them do

01:15:02.900 long-term, but a lot of them are just like for operation only. It's like, Hey, Phil,

01:15:05.900 I'm going to need you over here. We're going to send you up to Portland. You're going to go meet

01:15:08.860 some people, grow your beard out a little bit. You're going to go talk to them. You're there for

01:15:11.720 a couple of months and then you're out. It's not like you live in the thing. Like they were doing

01:15:14.700 long-term infills in the mafia. They don't do that as much anymore. Okay. But here's the wild piece.

01:15:19.440 That's UC. That's a brand name. Imagine that as saying like, Oh, did you have any soldiers there?

01:15:23.860 And be like, there were no infantrymen there at all. And you're like, well, what about guys from the

01:15:26.920 mortar platoon? Like, what about dudes that were in armor? So we're saying one thing. They said there were no UCs

01:15:31.520 involved in the crowd, but that didn't mean that there weren't plainclothes FBI agents. I walked

01:15:35.240 around in crowds all the time in my job. I was a surveillance guy on purpose. I would walk like

01:15:39.820 this. Okay. I wasn't undercover. The FBI would say we had no UCs in there, but Kyle Serafin was one of

01:15:45.620 our agents and he was plainclothes. They said things without saying things when you read that OIG report

01:15:49.680 about J6. But this gets to a very specific point. When we're talking about undercover operations,

01:15:54.680 I call it the playbook. My buddies and I have kind of just made this as a joke. If people want to read a

01:15:59.060 good book on it by someone on the political left, by the way, it's Trevor Aronson. You go read the

01:16:02.900 book. It's called the terror factory. My folks that did surveillance on CT targets, counterterrorism

01:16:08.060 said, this is mandatory reading because this is what the FBI does. It's very, very simple.

01:16:12.120 George can back this up on as well. We find somebody on the internet. You're on a Reddit chat

01:16:15.920 group. You're on a comments, you're on a regular podcast and you always say the same things.

01:16:20.320 You have the dumbest, most violent ideas in the group. The FBI is going to come and make friends

01:16:24.180 with you. You're a person who doesn't have a lot of friends in real life. Let's say

01:16:26.960 they are going to help you do your dumbest, most dangerous, most violent ideas for the exact amount

01:16:32.280 of money that you have. That person is a Fed. Now they're going to be a CHS. They're going to be

01:16:37.300 an undercover. They could be various things. They have a thing called a UCE. That's an, what is it?

01:16:42.280 Or an OCE. It's an online covert employee. So they can do that. They don't have to even be an agent.

01:16:46.980 They will set you up with the thing you need. They will hook you up with people in real life.

01:16:50.180 You will meet IRL. You'll get to go out there and do the thing that you need to do. You're going to get

01:16:53.760 fake explosives. You're going to get a gun that has no firing pin. You're going to go out there

01:16:56.680 the minute you touch it. You're going to jail for 20 to life. So this is a playbook that they

01:17:00.640 exercise. The problem with intelligence, and I've noticed that we've got kind of our thing,

01:17:04.320 like what's the threat? We've got Sarah Adams talking about invisible bombs, people that are

01:17:08.080 wearing, you know, bombs that they can make it through a metal detector. We're hearing all these

01:17:11.000 claims. We don't have good intelligence overseas. We betrayed our allies over there by pulling out of

01:17:15.800 Afghanistan. So the Afghan source network disappeared. People who saw what happened to the sources in

01:17:20.860 Afghanistan that got killed off, they don't want to be part of us either. So we lose intelligence in all of

01:17:25.600 the places where we used to have visibility.

01:17:27.560 Get ready for Las Vegas-style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos. Enjoy casino games at

01:17:34.660 your fingertips with the same Vegas Strip excitement MGM is famous for when you play classics like MGM

01:17:40.500 Grand Millions or popular games like Blackjack, Baccarat, and Roulette. With our ever-growing library

01:17:46.900 of digital slot games, a large selection of online table games, and signature BetMGM service,

01:17:52.520 there's no better way to bring the excitement and ambience of Las Vegas home to you than with BetMGM

01:17:58.200 Casino. Download the BetMGM Casino app today. BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly.

01:18:04.980 BetMGM.com for T's and C's. 19 plus to wager. Ontario only. Please play responsibly. If you have

01:18:10.460 questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connects Ontario at

01:18:15.460 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor. Free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating

01:18:23.120 agreement with iGaming Ontario.

01:18:25.140 Their entrance makes the bingo balls rumble in fear. The free space is free out of respect for them,

01:18:32.920 and their dabs are too fast for the naked eye. They're not just grandmas, they're grandmasters.

01:18:39.260 It's Betty, Dolly, Martha, queens of Delta bingo, hollerers of the hall, and they're here to teach

01:18:47.640 the next generation of players. Learn what it takes to be a bingo master at grandmasters.ca.

01:18:53.840 Must be 18 plus. Play smart.

01:18:55.260 We screwed it up domestically because we've done things like piss off the Muslim community starting

01:18:58.980 back in, you know, 06, 07, 08. They've gone through and the Supreme Court said, yeah, they can do

01:19:03.700 that. So you've burned your domestic route that's going to maybe flag extremism, flag terrorists that

01:19:10.660 are domestically located that don't like the United States. So your HVE visibility goes down. So now

01:19:15.900 you start flying blind, and then we brought in 10 million people, or however many. We know 100,000

01:19:20.520 Afghans. We know however many came over the southern border. Look, if you can smuggle a person, you can

01:19:24.440 smuggle all kinds of things. There have been stories about whether or not they were, you know, man-powered,

01:19:29.360 like man-pads, and they had, you know, surface-to-air missile capabilities. Is that a possibility?

01:19:33.280 Of course. Because you can, a human being, if you can move up like a trailer full of human beings,

01:19:38.220 what can you fit in a cargo trailer? How many do you have to move across the border to not get

01:19:42.860 caught? If we catch, they say they catch 30% at best. So 60%, 70% are running through. That's where

01:19:48.900 the real threat comes in. And we're running blind. We're running blind on this stuff. So the intelligence

01:19:53.600 failure is one thing. The fact that the FBI is interested in going after this setup job, which is

01:19:59.520 what they are. And again, it's a terror factory. It's a numbers game. George can break down what IPM

01:20:04.260 is. Everybody thinks it's because they're looking at one thing because either, well, they think a lot

01:20:08.460 of things, but they don't know what it is. They think they're going after all these folks because

01:20:11.440 it's about ideology. Oh, we're going to get the right-wing extremists. We're going to get Kyle

01:20:14.520 because he's got an AR-15 on his shirt. Oh, that's the guy. We're going to go knock them down. We're

01:20:18.920 going to get the MAGA people. This is not where the threat, and that's not why they're going after them.

01:20:23.420 They're going after the low-hanging fruit because of a thing called IPM, which is the most

01:20:27.360 bureaucratic and lame way of anything done. But it's perfect government if you want to break it

01:20:31.820 down because people should know. Yeah, please, George. I'll try to make it—I'm going to break

01:20:37.060 it down Marine Corps style, you know, just crayon-eating, jarhead. It is a system that was

01:20:44.160 developed by McKinsey and Company that was brought in by Bob Mueller. Bob, he first tried to emulate

01:20:52.960 what New York was doing. All these shenanigans started right after 9-11. So they decided,

01:21:00.920 okay, how are we going to determine whether or not we're really doing our job to keep the

01:21:05.100 country safe? So the FBI determined these are the performance metrics. We determined these

01:21:15.640 are the performance metrics that we say that we're going to hit in order to reduce crime

01:21:21.700 and reduce terrorism. So if we were all sitting in a room at headquarters and we would just

01:21:27.840 say, hey, Phil, what do you think—how many FISEs do you think we need to have in order

01:21:34.100 to mitigate the threat from Iranian-based terrorist groups? We had three last year, right? You

01:21:40.700 think we can do four this year? Yeah, I think we can do—we can do four. I think we can do that,

01:21:49.840 right? So, you know, how many UCs do we need? Well, we had—we only had two last year, and that was

01:21:58.440 tough. I don't think we can get more than two. Well, George, how many Intel products do you think

01:22:03.640 we can write on this? Wow, that's easy. We have access to Data Warehouse now. We can write Intel

01:22:08.840 products all day long. All right, good. We're going to put you down for 15. Not a problem, boss. We

01:22:14.560 can do easy. So we set out these metrics at the beginning of the year, and then we exceed them

01:22:20.260 at the end of the year because we decide what's a stat and what's not a stat, and we hand out awards

01:22:25.460 and promotions. So— There's one more piece to it, but wait. Your bonus structure is going to be

01:22:33.540 relevant. It's going to be related to how many of those metrics that you forecasted at the beginning

01:22:37.400 of the year. It's going to be how much you get, and those bonuses are like five figures. They're,

01:22:41.460 you know, $25,000, $30,000 to $50,000, whatever it may be, depending at the level of SES. So this is

01:22:46.380 your, quote-unquote, deep state, your administrative state. These are the people that run field offices.

01:22:50.700 For their success, they negotiate a process because—because let's say I'm in the field office

01:22:55.520 and George is saying, hey, we need 15 Intel products, and I take it to my Intel shop, and I go, hey,

01:22:59.580 can we do 15? They're like, oh, man, we just lost three people, and we're in the middle of hiring.

01:23:02.840 We can only do 13. So I come back and say 13, and they go, how about 14? And we settle on 14.

01:23:07.880 Then I'm going to go get 14. That's literally how crazy this is. And then as long as I get those 14

01:23:13.640 as the executive over here, I'm getting paid.

01:23:16.540 Yep. And you know who keeps the stats? HRD, the Human Resources Department. So your bonus stats

01:23:23.400 essentially are getting fed into the organization, the entity within the bureau who decides who goes

01:23:28.620 where, who gets their field office of choice, who gets the best position, and who gets moved up in

01:23:33.520 the organization. So I don't know if they use it in the private sector, but in the Marine Corps and

01:23:39.300 the Navy, we used to call it gun decking. You know, you just fill it out. It doesn't matter

01:23:45.120 whether it happened or not. You just send in the number, and here it is.

01:23:48.880 You know, this goes to, this speaks to an idea that we discuss here on IRL a lot. The idea that

01:23:54.780 the deep state, as much as it's doing nefarious bad things, the motivation is rarely nefarious and

01:24:02.900 bad beyond, I want to make a little extra money this year. I want to make sure that my job is here

01:24:09.200 next year. I want to make sure that my kids can go to college. I want to make sure that my retirement

01:24:14.280 is safe. The motivation isn't, isn't the oldest motivation in history. Look, we talked about

01:24:18.980 religion a little bit, but it's greed. Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, one of the most fundamental things

01:24:23.740 that human beings have is our flaws. I think, I, I think that it's even, it's probably functionally

01:24:28.340 better to not even call it greed as it's just people looking out for themselves the way that

01:24:34.240 people do. Because even when you say greed, right, that brings to mind nefarious motivations as this

01:24:39.600 is a, a uniquely bad person. Oh no, it's not unique at all. It's not at all. It's, it's just this,

01:24:44.880 it's just people doing what they, doing their job the way, the most efficient way that they can to

01:24:51.760 benefit them, not necessarily to benefit the final product at their job or to benefit the country.

01:24:57.280 It's just, Hey, how can I do my job, the job that I'm expected to do the job that everybody around me

01:25:04.160 also expects me to do, right? How can I do that in a way that is going to produce maximum benefit for me

01:25:11.560 and for my family and for my kids and, and actually, you know, it, where it actually does,

01:25:19.040 does the job that I'm supposed to do, right? Accomplishes the task that I'm, I'm, you know,

01:25:24.220 I'm supposed to be doing. Add this to it. The myth of competency. Sure. A lot of people saw this

01:25:30.120 in Butler PA for the first time. They realized that there was not an impenetrable force field

01:25:35.460 around every single person that the secret service protected. A lot of times, Pete, a lot of times,

01:25:39.480 I assure you when there's, when there's no, when you go a great deal of time without some bad thing

01:25:44.260 happening, it's not because there's this magic force field. It's because nobody actually tried to do

01:25:48.800 the best. And that image becomes, and that image becomes less clear when you layer on top of that

01:25:54.600 DEI. Of course. Yeah. So we saw that in new Orleans with the, uh, ASAC Duncan in new Orleans who

01:26:03.160 can barely speak. That was the, that was the, the woman that specifically said this was not a terror

01:26:08.820 attack. Pacifically. Pronounced like the ocean. I can't stop saying it now, by the way, it's the worst.

01:26:14.700 People will be like, are you doing okay? And I'm like, well, I specifically told you that I was

01:26:17.740 going to be fine. I woke up early this morning and I'm good. So I actually have a friend of mine

01:26:21.120 who worked with Duncan in the Miami field office. She tried out for SWAT, didn't pass it.

01:26:30.320 Mercifully. Her first choice or first, you know, thing that she did after failing,

01:26:36.080 making SWAT was she was going to sue the SSA, the supervisor, special agent in charge of the

01:26:41.160 selection process. So she was talked off the ledge by her leadership command, but again, kind of

01:26:47.700 like all press is good press. She became known as someone you don't stand in front of. Okay. So

01:26:55.540 her career at that time, her failure actually, because of her threat to sue, actually all mountains

01:27:04.160 were laid low, all valleys filled in. And here we go. She's off to new Orleans standing in front of a

01:27:10.420 microphone at 636 in the morning and can't even speak a coherent sentence. Let me, let me throw another

01:27:15.400 thing on there because there's this, this idea and DEI is a real problem in the FBI, although Chris

01:27:19.500 Ray will not acknowledge it. They did a lawsuit that they settled. I'm trying to see what the date

01:27:23.020 was. Okay. So they said, it sounds like the press release came out in, in September of last year.

01:27:27.720 So pretty recently, and it was like almost a $23 million settlement with a bunch of women

01:27:32.020 that were discriminated against at the FBI's Academy at Quantico. Okay. Cause there's this idea

01:27:37.120 in the outside world, especially people on the political left and the political energy behind it

01:27:40.940 is that women are getting screwed over in law enforcement. They're not given a fair shake.

01:27:44.440 I will, I will affirmatively tell you that I knew two of the women that were in this lawsuit and

01:27:48.740 there weren't that many women in it compared there were 34 women. I knew two of them. A friend of mine

01:27:52.860 knew another one. Another friend knew two more. So we can account for five of them. They were so

01:27:57.140 dangerous and so unprepared to be at the place that they were at that literally my wife would be

01:28:03.460 better off. My wife has zero training except living around me with a gun. She would be better off.

01:28:07.280 She's a better shot. She was much safer with firearms. And any of these characters were,

01:28:10.940 because they were atrocious. Like I watched women fail non-pass fail events. Imagine,

01:28:18.320 you know what a familiarization is with a weapon? You just shoot a couple of rounds and then you go

01:28:21.400 away. You're not supposed to fail that. It's not supposed to be a failure. I give you a shotgun,

01:28:26.020 pump the shotgun, fire some buckshot, pump it again, fire the buckshot, pump it, fire, you know,

01:28:30.960 a slug and then give it back to the instructor. Yep. The woman couldn't hold onto it. She fired it and

01:28:35.200 left it left her shoulder and it left her hands and it's in the air. They picked it up and gave it to her

01:28:39.500 again. And she did it again to the point where they're like, we're not even going to finish the

01:28:41.960 fam. That's not even a pass fail event. And you failed it. I watched women like that. They got

01:28:46.380 paid out in this lawsuit. I watched a woman where there was a standard for a slalom course with

01:28:50.920 cones. By the way, it's some of the most fun thing you can do is driving through cones with

01:28:53.860 somebody else's car. Yeah. Like, bro, let's do that all day long. The driving course has like a two

01:28:58.400 minute limit. The people that were needed work on it. We're doing it like two and a half, 245.

01:29:02.200 I watched a woman do it in 16 minutes and she hit more cones than there were counts for

01:29:05.820 backwards. There's some backwards driving, but she couldn't see the whole back. She's sub five

01:29:10.000 feet tall. She's from New York. She'd never driven a car before. And they allowed her to go and do the

01:29:14.340 slalom course. And she eventually failed out, but she failed out in like the 18th week. And she was

01:29:18.820 part of this lawsuit. Her name's Elena Parra. She's EP in the lawsuit. I'll just say it because I don't

01:29:23.080 care. And she was atrocious. Here's the other crazy thing. You know what happened after she left the

01:29:27.220 FBI's part of this? She got hired on by the secret service and she made it through, but this kind of

01:29:33.540 stuff is like, it's wild. You file one lawsuit and you win, you threaten a lawsuit in the FBI's Miami

01:29:38.720 field office and you, and you get backed off the ledge. Everybody gets out of your way and they pay

01:29:42.760 you out tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars of taxpayer money, but it gets

01:29:46.520 worse. Wait, there's more. So the plus up of the 45% of the FBI came with the Patriot Act. There's the

01:29:55.380 intel program. So there was a big discussion whether they're going to create an MI5 domestic

01:30:00.820 intelligence program like the Brits have standalone. And it was decided that we're going to lash it up

01:30:05.800 to the FBI. Those 0132 job series, those intelligence analysts actually belong to the director of national

01:30:12.680 intelligence, who's Avril Haines right now. Hopefully Tulsi Gabbard will get that job going forward.

01:30:18.840 The intelligence cadre is the engine because they drive integrated program management. They drive the

01:30:26.900 stats. They create, they do most of the violations, which Ray has testified on regarding abusing data

01:30:38.340 warehouse and, and just, you know, looking for cases to make against U.S. citizens without predication.

01:30:46.040 So in 2016, were you at the, you were at the Academy in 2016?

01:30:52.380 Yep.

01:30:52.680 Okay. So I was what's called a field counselor. So I was lashed up to a class of students, of agents

01:30:58.860 and analysts going through the FBI Academy.

01:31:00.860 We actually met, but we didn't know it until years later.

01:31:03.660 And, um, and that director Comey came for his regular lunch that he has with the field counselors.

01:31:10.740 So there's a separate dining area off of the main dining facility, uh, at Quantico.

01:31:17.020 And at the time we were having a, a, a large turnover ratio of analysts coming into the Bureau,

01:31:24.760 a high turnover rate. And at the same time, the ones that were staying were beyond petulant and hard

01:31:31.120 to deal with. The self-entitlement doesn't begin to, to cover, uh, their attitude.

01:31:35.280 So it was my turn to answer, ask a question. And I said, Director Comey, this is 2016. I said,

01:31:42.740 after 15 years of war, we have thousands of intelligence professionals that have deployed

01:31:50.920 into combat theaters of operation, worked in high stress environments in a team environment.

01:31:58.520 And most of those people were enlisted and they don't have college degrees. Director Comey,

01:32:04.180 would you consider, you know, I had already laid out about the turnover rate. I said, would you

01:32:08.920 consider bringing, you know, changing our policy of only recruiting out of top tier schools and

01:32:15.320 allowing some of these high school graduates, but experienced intelligence professionals to

01:32:21.040 come into the Intel program and then set out milestones for them. So you get an associate's

01:32:25.620 degree, you get your next promotion, you get your bachelor's degree. And he never answered

01:32:30.440 the question because his posse of sycophants tore me to ribbons. The blood on the wall. I,

01:32:37.780 he, they destroyed me inside of 20 seconds.

01:32:41.960 The audacity to ask if experienced people could do the job.

01:32:45.600 Yeah. Could Trump. And we see what kind of people are coming out of the universities. They,

01:32:49.160 we know who they are now that, uh, you know, with the protests going on with Hamas and Israel.

01:32:53.700 So we know who those people are. We know what they look like because we've seen their professors

01:32:57.740 as well. Yeah. But this is the cadre. This is the, this is the, the fuel and the engine that drives

01:33:05.900 that whole, uh, integrated program management. It's the Intel cadre. If you ever want to get the

01:33:12.360 FBI back to a law enforcement organization, you need to end this domestic intelligence program.

01:33:19.200 Do you guys, do you guys have a sense considering that, you know, what you, what you're talking

01:33:22.760 about here? Do you have a sense that, that the incoming administration is going to be able to

01:33:27.300 do anything about this? Because I understand it's difficult to make changes in Washington,

01:33:32.120 DC, especially on the.

01:33:33.240 Get ready for a Las Vegas style action at bet. MGM, the King of online casinos. Enjoy casino games at

01:33:40.440 your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement. MGM is famous for when you play classics like

01:33:45.800 MGM grand millions or popular games like blackjack, baccarat and roulette with our ever-growing library

01:33:52.680 of digital slot games, a large selection of online table games and signature bet. MGM service.

01:33:58.420 There's no better way to bring the excitement and ambience of Las Vegas home to you than with

01:34:03.120 bet. MGM casino. Download the bet. MGM casino app today. Bet. MGM and game sense remind you to play

01:34:10.020 responsibly bet. MGM.com for T's and C's 19 plus to wager Ontario only please play responsibly. If you

01:34:16.120 have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact connects

01:34:20.240 Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. Bet. MGM operates pursuant to

01:34:28.400 an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Their entrance makes the bingo balls rumble in fear.

01:34:35.660 The free space is free out of respect for them and their dabs are too fast for the naked eye.

01:34:41.320 They're not just grandmas, they're grandmasters. Betty, Dolly, Martha, queens of Delta Bingo,

01:34:50.220 haulers of the hall and they're here to teach the next generation of players. Learn what it takes to

01:34:56.680 be a bingo master at grandmasters.ca. Must be 18 plus. Play smart.

01:35:01.060 Bureaucrat level, there are people that as soon as you fire someone, they're going to sue.

01:35:05.840 And I've heard people articulate an idea that what's going to have to happen is you're going

01:35:10.880 to have to have people get fired, they'll sue, and it'll have to go to the Supreme Court. And the

01:35:15.620 question is going to be, does the executive, as in the president, does the president have the

01:35:19.640 authority to fire people in the executive branch that are not doing their job? Do you think that

01:35:25.680 there's going to be, that the executive has the ability to make changes that are necessary or,

01:35:32.200 you know, people like Kash Patel, will they be able to, or is it going to have to take,

01:35:36.160 you know, going through the court system all the way up to the Supreme Court and having the Supreme

01:35:40.320 Court decide, which hopefully the makeup of the court would say, yes, the executive does have the

01:35:45.960 authority to decide who does and does not work for them. But, you know, that's not guaranteed.

01:35:51.900 Lots of moving parts to that. So Senator Adam Schiff from California already tried to cut Kash Patel

01:35:58.260 off at the knees, recognizing that he plans on making some structural changes and pointing out

01:36:04.780 that, oh, we might not want to do that in view of this rise of Islamic terrorism now coming back to

01:36:11.780 the United States. So they're already just laying out that narrative, like no, no structural changes,

01:36:18.940 Kash. Furthermore, it would take Congress to do away with the domestic intelligence program.

01:36:26.780 Now, could the executive branch do something to kind of zero that out in terms of allocation of

01:36:35.080 resources and through the DNI? Yes, it could happen. But but it would only be it would only be,

01:36:42.640 you know, about funding and then an administration that supports the idea after Donald Trump or or two

01:36:50.360 administrations later would come back and say, oh, these are still laws on the books. And we're just

01:36:54.540 going to go ahead and start doing this again. So consider this that George already told you where

01:36:58.420 the where the cheat code is. The analysts that work for the FBI don't answer to the FBI. That's

01:37:04.860 not what they're that's not what they're that's not the master. The master comes from the Office

01:37:09.380 of Director of National Intelligence. So they are they are serving in a role and being paid by the

01:37:14.320 FBI. Actually, we don't get paid by the FBI. You get paid by the Department of Agriculture. All my

01:37:18.020 checks came in from Department of Ag through the National Finance Center. It's so weird, super secret,

01:37:21.920 super secret. And then you go and you're like, I work for the FBI. And they're like, they're like,

01:37:25.620 but your pay stub says the Department of Agriculture. And you're like, I know. And I

01:37:29.520 can't get them to fix it. You know, you got to have a G19 clearance. Apparently you got to have

01:37:32.460 fake clear. So listen, the people they're getting paid by one organization. They are they are answering

01:37:37.160 to another. We can fix that problem. Cash Patel can fix that problem. The question is the answer is

01:37:42.700 like, hey, Tulsi, hey, high five. I'm going to give you all of the analytical core that's been

01:37:47.480 sitting here and they can continue to locate. They just don't work for the FBI anymore. Let's remove

01:37:52.640 that chunk. And as it stands right now, and I think George can validate this because of that

01:37:56.260 IPM, because of the way that they just do term papers, essentially an analyst in the FBI writes

01:38:01.020 term papers for a living. What's their quota per year? Three. The DNI said they have to write three

01:38:06.240 a year. It was while I was with the Bureau. They said these other intelligence agencies are writing

01:38:11.640 X number of products per year. You're not. Your analysts need to produce at least three per year of

01:38:17.760 what's called finished intelligence products. This is analysis of raw intel in a way that means

01:38:23.700 something to somebody. Okay. Is a domain awareness program, is that if you wrote a domain awareness

01:38:29.520 bulletin, is that finished? Yeah. Yeah. Just out of curiosity. Yeah. Okay. So the thing that I

01:38:33.580 came forward with that showed that they were targeting Catholics in Richmond, Virginia, that's one.

01:38:38.140 So it's a long form term paper with a bunch of different little footnotes in it. It has some

01:38:42.380 sourcing, which should be better than the Southern Poverty Law Center, but in that case it was not.

01:38:46.480 And so you show all the things. It should be better than the Atlantic, but it was not.

01:38:50.040 So they write up this long term paper. That's one of three. If you get three in the year,

01:38:54.160 then you're going to be green in that metric. So you're good to go as an intel analyst. Well,

01:38:57.520 you can write term papers for somebody else because as an FBI agent, when I was doing that job,

01:39:01.700 I didn't need your term paper. It never did anything for a case I worked. Not one ever. It didn't

01:39:07.140 predicate a case. It didn't give me an idea of what my subjects were involved in. It's non-investigative

01:39:12.880 work. It's analytical work. So get rid of those people. The second problem

01:39:16.360 is the executives. And the question is, can we fire them outright? And can you do something with

01:39:20.580 them? And without giving away a lot of strategy, because I have some ideas for people and I've

01:39:26.080 shared some of them, right? What you do is you find some people that have done objectively wrong

01:39:30.260 things and violated the federal policy or law that the agency holds them accountable to.

01:39:34.620 And you hold them accountable to that. Some of that means prosecution. Some of it means removal

01:39:37.900 from your job. You suspend them immediately. You investigate them, give them the opportunity to resign

01:39:43.580 or to retire, which a lot of them will. And then they're going to be outside the agency's purview.

01:39:48.020 Now you have some spots in some places in the country. And J. Edgar Hoover was really good at

01:39:51.800 doing this back in the day. He was kind of a gangster. Not kind of really. He was a gangster.

01:39:56.360 So like, I mean, he was known to, he was known to dress like cross-dress. That was like a well-known

01:40:00.800 thing about J. Edgar Hoover. So people get upset about it and you look at him and be like, no, no,

01:40:03.760 the guy dressed up in women's clothing, moved around in the space. It is what it is. So long and short of it

01:40:09.640 is, historically, that was a thing. I also think it's kind of funny. He was like the first LGBTQIA

01:40:14.100 plus guy in the, in the government and he used to hunt them. He was a trend center. So before his

01:40:18.900 time, long and short of it is, you had this, uh, this moment that what he would do is he would get

01:40:23.300 rid of people that he thought were disrespecting the Bureau that caused problems. And he would move

01:40:26.480 them to places like Alaska. He'd move them to Montana. He would move them to wherever they wanted to go.

01:40:31.180 Sounds like good. Those are places we want to go. He would move them to places that they did. They

01:40:35.460 shouldn't be in. Okay. And so he would, they would go, Oh, I want to move to, uh, you know,

01:40:40.060 Miami. And he was like, cool. Like, it looks like you're going to South Dakota. And so he would send

01:40:43.980 them out there to places they didn't want to be. And then they would go, well, rather than take

01:40:46.580 that move, I'm going to resign. And that is an opportunity to not have to pay a bunch of

01:40:50.460 lawsuits. Yeah. Cause why would you want to pay a bunch of lawsuits if you don't have to,

01:40:54.200 you just give people an opportunity to make the right decision for the country and for the

01:40:57.520 organization. And that's something that, that I've heard. I'm not sure actually who was

01:41:01.620 touting the idea, but getting the organ, the bureau, the bureaucracies out of Washington,

01:41:06.840 DC, instead of having them all totally decentralized, you should, you should have

01:41:10.020 the department of agriculture should be, you know, based in Iowa or based in Nebraska, you

01:41:14.380 know, Lincoln or something like that. Right. They hire people that live inside the DC beltway

01:41:18.760 who have DC beltway attitudes. And that group of people is pretty small and they mostly have

01:41:22.440 an experienced America. Yeah. Broadly speaking. Yeah. Like if you look around and you don't know

01:41:27.140 where your food comes from, cause you live in Jersey and maybe there's some food in

01:41:30.340 Jersey, but not enough. If you live in New York city and it comes from the grocery store

01:41:33.320 or a bodega and you have no idea, people in Washington, DC oftentimes have zero clue how

01:41:38.280 the rest of America operates. And it's really, really different. Another, another point to

01:41:42.340 that is the, I think DC went 94% for Kamala Harris. And so if you've got that kind of, you

01:41:49.260 know, ubiquitous political opinion and someone that honestly, any, any honest, um, objective

01:41:58.560 estimation of the, the ability of Kamala Harris would lead you to say, no, she could, she cannot

01:42:04.760 do the job. Um, she's, she's not qualified to, to be the executive. Let me, let me pin that down

01:42:11.380 even weirder. Okay. Because people have been attacking Kash Patel's credentials. He's got history

01:42:15.680 working with the FBI, doesn't he? Okay. But what was, what was the big deal about Kamala Harris?

01:42:19.440 What was, she was a prosecutor. Yeah. She was a prosecutor and therefore she knew how to be

01:42:24.220 the president of the United States, which is a ridiculous assertion. Kash Patel was a defense

01:42:28.880 attorney and he worked as a public defender. And then he was a prosecutor at the federal level. And

01:42:34.840 then he was a chief of staff over to the, uh, you know, in, in the DOD. So he's worked all kinds

01:42:39.660 of things. He has more experience in the federal government than Kamala Harris did when it comes to

01:42:43.380 the capabilities of it. She was a Senator for like, not even the full term. Yeah. We look at people

01:42:47.860 and you say, and then how about this? How come nobody on the left is excited about the first

01:42:51.280 Brown guy who happens to be a former public defender. Isn't that what you would want if you

01:42:56.220 were a leftist, if you were really into this thing that we need to have diversity of opinion

01:42:59.720 and skin color and things like that? Clarence Thomas. It's just so simple. It's like when your

01:43:04.000 politics don't align with what the ideology is, then you no longer count as that person. You're

01:43:08.160 no longer a score point for us. I mean, when they do this all the time, the left, the left

01:43:11.700 unquestionably, the left has only the, the politics in mind and they use any of the, any of the

01:43:19.120 excuses that they have that, whether it be, oh, this person's of this identity or whatever,

01:43:23.320 those things only matter if they have the right ideology and it's an excuse and an arguing

01:43:28.280 point. But the, the, the, the, the substance of that doesn't matter because if it's a person

01:43:33.680 that has the, the correct skin color or the correct gender or the correct, you know, ideological

01:43:38.960 alignment or I'm sorry, orientation, orientation, it doesn't matter if they don't have the correct

01:43:42.980 ideological alignment. So that's, that's, that's, that is a clear refutation of the argument

01:43:47.780 that they make. And, and I think they can't even stand on it and they don't try to, here's,

01:43:51.680 here's the biggest simple thing. At the end of the day, Americans, a lot of Americans want to

01:43:55.620 see something that I would call retribution. Would that be accurate? I mean, yes. People want to see

01:44:00.660 retribution. Payback. But in reality, you can't do that at the federal government level. So what you

01:44:04.720 can hope for and what you should ask for is accountability. And that's different. That means

01:44:08.280 if you broke the law, if you violated policy, then you have to go because you didn't meet the terms

01:44:11.820 of the condition of your employment. And you can do that without a lot of problems and you should,

01:44:15.620 but you shouldn't go after and just go, we're going to swipe out huge swaths of people. Even

01:44:19.660 if it feels good, that's bad for America to go through that court system battle up to the Supreme

01:44:23.700 Court and decide whether or not the president can do this. It's not going to be effective

01:44:26.820 immediately. It's going to tie up a bunch of stuff in lawsuits. You're going to have a bunch

01:44:30.640 of attorneys doing this. It's far better to say that these people violated in a narrow subset.

01:44:35.820 These are people that can no longer work here. And then you create an opening to do some other

01:44:39.700 things. And you give people opportunities, I'm using words very carefully, to choose to no longer,

01:44:44.680 to self-separate. And that's better for America. It's better for the accountability versus the

01:44:49.380 retribution end of it. And like I said, it is historically something that has been used by

01:44:52.900 people like the FBI. When you have 55 field offices across the country, there are some that

01:44:57.800 people don't want to go to. I'm just telling you, there are some that are high on the list and there

01:45:01.560 are some that are very low on the list. And everybody supposedly wants to move to, what do they all

01:45:06.040 want to move? They all want to move to Charlotte because of the cost of living and because of the

01:45:09.360 temperature and what you can buy in housing. And nobody wants to go live in New York. And a lot of

01:45:13.900 people don't want to go live in parts of Montana, but like, you'd be surprised now people like Salt

01:45:17.500 Lake City, very, very coveted. Wait list until you're dead. Everyone goes to Anchorage. Anchorage

01:45:22.940 is a cool place, but Anchorage has some of the most corrupt senior executives in their field office

01:45:28.260 for the FBI. Because nobody pays attention to them? I don't know. It's just a bad culture. Like a lot of

01:45:32.840 this cultural rot, the man, consider this, the management, which we've talked about the intel piece of

01:45:36.780 it. When you're recruiting people that are on board with what you're doing, are you going to recruit a

01:45:42.900 George Hill to step up to the next level? Somebody who's going to, when I first vetted George,

01:45:47.640 because he reached out to me on X, by the way, this is how we met. He sent me a DM and it was

01:45:52.200 very straightforward. I actually will give this as a lesson. If you want to reach out to somebody in a

01:45:55.340 public space, he said, my name is George Hill. I used to work for the FBI in Boston. You have ways

01:46:01.700 of vetting me. If I pass muster, give me a call. Clear and concise. It was almost like that short.

01:46:07.760 Yeah. And so I reached out to my friends in the Boston field office and I go, hey, do you know George

01:46:10.720 Hill? And someone that I trust very much and is a buddy of mine for a long time. He's like,

01:46:14.860 he's like, oh yeah, he's a straight shooter. You know, piss people off occasionally because he said

01:46:17.920 the truth. Guy doesn't come up with an angle. He just tells you how it is. That's never going to

01:46:22.720 promote it in an FBI. It's never, would you agree? Oh, no. I even, I even tried. The FBI came up with

01:46:29.440 a system on promotion. You have to take a written test and then you have to go for an interview and

01:46:33.300 stuff like that. I'm like, oh, this will be fun. You know? So, so like I had to, I had to give a

01:46:39.660 briefing to some people who were, you know, like 10, 15 years, my junior in age, right?

01:46:43.800 I briefed General Alexander every week for three years at the National Security Agency. And I saw

01:46:50.020 people last one brief, two briefs, fired, fired. I did this for years. I know how to brief. I've

01:47:00.120 briefed members of Congress, four-star generals. And I go in front of this group to do a briefing

01:47:07.420 and they're like, yeah, yeah, I did. No good. I'm like, yeah, okay. I, I, I, I get what you

01:47:13.020 people are about. I'll double down on that. We had one of your, uh, analytical cadre and in my

01:47:17.660 Quantico class that was a teaching briefing. And I got marked down points because I was too confident

01:47:23.560 in what I briefed. And because I emphatically hit the keyboard when I was changing screens on my slide

01:47:29.440 deck, which could intimidate senior management in the FBI. So say at the woman who was basically shaped

01:47:33.940 like a human thumb, I think that her, her head went directly down to like basically her shoulders.

01:47:39.220 She was just this sort of like rotund little person. It was a face on something like this.

01:47:43.120 And you're like, you're not my people. I'm not intimidating senior FBI management. I guarantee

01:47:49.040 it. They carry a badge and a gun. I've met, like I met David Bowditch, who was the deputy director.

01:47:53.520 The dude is big. I don't know how big he is, but he's six, three, six, five, something like that.

01:47:57.280 He's a stocky man. He wears a, you know, he wore a pistol under his suit that I could see while we were

01:48:01.440 in the airport. Didn't even care, but good for him. He actually carried a gun as a senior executive.

01:48:05.280 He was the number two in the bureau. And by all accounts was a pretty decent guy. I actually

01:48:08.600 messed with him a little bit. I said something funny to him when we came out of Portland, when

01:48:11.180 it was burning during the, during the riots of 2020. And I go, um, I said, Hey, sir. Uh, he goes,

01:48:16.240 where are you coming out of? I said, Washington field. And he goes, uh, but he didn't know who I

01:48:19.100 was. I, so before I said that, I go, I go, Hey, do you think we can say Portland or should we just let

01:48:22.380 it burn? And he looked over at me and he goes 50, 50, what field officer are you out of? You know, like that's a good

01:48:27.080 kind of person. I'm going to intimidate that guy by a flourish. When I hit the keyboard,

01:48:31.440 these are the kind of folks that are driving the promotion chain. So they only bring in people that don't

01:48:34.960 threaten to upset the apple cart. George Hill is a guy who upsets the apple cart has to be.

01:48:39.880 I mean, that's, that's, you need those people. I was just going to say, that's exactly what's

01:48:43.280 necessary to make sure that the, the, that the bureaucracy is doing what it's supposed to do. I mean,

01:48:49.420 granted, um, you know, that's not going to make the bureaucracy happy, but you need people that are

01:48:54.780 skeptical. Like we were saying earlier, you need people that are skeptical, not only of, of the

01:49:00.400 government as a whole, but skeptical of their little part of the government as well.

01:49:04.460 They think that the government is working properly when it promotes them. And it goes back to that

01:49:08.420 principle you said earlier. It's people, it's not that they're doing something nefarious. They're

01:49:11.760 serving their own interest. And you know, what's not in my interest, having someone more competent

01:49:15.380 than me come in and supplant me and make me look bad. Cause I didn't deserve this position in the

01:49:19.540 first place. If that's the case, you're never going to bring people in that question. What's going on?

01:49:24.200 We used to have this joke that a GS 15. So the government scale goes from one to 15 and then

01:49:28.880 it goes into the SES, the senior executives, a GS 15 within the FBI, but it's probably true

01:49:33.140 government-wide is someone that's never said no to a bad idea. Cause how else do you get to be a 15?

01:49:37.620 You can't be a 15. If you're over there, like calling out problems. Now you're a problem maker.

01:49:42.120 We're not interested in problem makers. We're, we're interested in co-signers. We need people that

01:49:46.280 agree with our great ideas, which is how you got a lot of COVID tyranny, things that should have been

01:49:50.820 sussed out in the courts and they eventually were, and we were right to question it. It's like,

01:49:55.100 you didn't have to weigh in, but you chose to, they failed to do things. It's like, well,

01:49:59.160 should we go after a MAGA extremists? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We should. Why? Because they're everywhere

01:50:03.280 and they're super easy to find and we can set them up really easy and we can set it up and it's way

01:50:06.880 easier for us to get our metrics. That is a terrible way to run law enforcement. And I'll, I'll leave you

01:50:12.260 with this thought as well. When you start adding, and this is why George and I hate the Intel product

01:50:16.580 and the, and the programs, when you add an intelligence capability, national security

01:50:21.620 capabilities, and he should tell you about 12 triple three and how those changed. Cause this

01:50:24.880 is really where it got dangerous. But when you add that to a law enforcement entity that has no right

01:50:30.240 under the fourth amendment to be able to search you and you start having exceptions because you

01:50:33.840 have national security at play, you have a secret police force and that has existed in every

01:50:38.900 Western country. And they're always tyrannical. Like there's only one way to be a secret police

01:50:43.260 tyranny. Yeah. If you, if he tells you how this evolved with that DWS, we've said it a few

01:50:48.340 times. I know we talked before we started, but people should understand how invasive that is

01:50:53.820 and how, and it, and it'll scare them more than they probably initially thought. Yeah. So George,

01:50:57.700 why don't you, why don't you go ahead and elaborate on the idea that Kyle's talking about? So Barack Obama

01:51:02.120 on his way out the door in, uh, at the end of his administration, so early January of 2017,

01:51:09.260 get ready for a Las Vegas style action at bet. MGM, the King of online casinos, enjoy casino games at

01:51:17.640 your fingertips with the same Vegas strip excitement. MGM is famous for when you play classics like

01:51:23.000 MGM grand millions or popular games like blackjack, baccarat and roulette with our ever-growing library

01:51:29.880 of digital slot games, a large selection of online table games and signature bet MGM service.

01:51:35.620 There's no better way to bring the excitement and ambience of Las Vegas home to you than with

01:51:40.320 bet MGM casino. Download the bet MGM casino app today. Bet MGM and game sense remind you to play

01:51:47.220 responsibly betmgm.com for T's and C's 19 plus to wager Ontario only please play responsibly. If you

01:51:53.320 have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact connects

01:51:57.440 Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. Bet MGM operates pursuant to an

01:52:05.780 operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. Their entrance makes the bingo balls rumble in fear.

01:52:12.860 The free space is free out of respect for them and their dabs are too fast for the naked eye.

01:52:18.500 They're not just grandmas, they're grandmasters. Betty, Dolly, Martha, queens of Delta bingo,

01:52:27.420 haulers of the hall, and they're here to teach the next generation of players. Learn what it takes

01:52:33.700 to be a bingo master at grandmasters.ca. Must be 18 plus. Play smart. He made a change to executive

01:52:40.000 order 12-triple-3. So 12-triple-3 was first written by Ronald Reagan after the findings of

01:52:49.360 the Church Commission, which if, brief segue, if there's any an organization that needs to have

01:52:56.640 some rocks turned over and have a good taking a look at, it's the CIA because they haven't been

01:53:01.060 looked at in 50 years or scrutinized. Nonetheless, so 12-triple-3, that was the evolution of 12-triple-3.

01:53:07.860 So Barack Obama amended that, and his press release said that the reason that he was making NSA

01:53:15.360 collection available to the intel community at large was because he was afraid that Donald Trump

01:53:22.940 was going to lock it down to protect any scrutiny of his Russian connections. This is after

01:53:31.860 Admiral, the head of the NSA at the time, went to Trump Tower and told him that the NSA was collecting

01:53:41.160 on him. So Barack Obama made that change to 12-triple-3, allowing the FBI to have access to

01:53:49.640 not just the FISA across the entire FBI, because usually FISA is locked down to, you know, it's got a

01:53:56.780 bigot list to it. Only certain people can have access to it. Not only allowing everybody within the FBI

01:54:02.260 to have access to FISA, but also to the 702 data, which is the collection that the National Security

01:54:07.580 Agency does. And somehow the FBI had Data Warehouse already set up to migrate these, what's beyond a

01:54:18.220 terabyte? Gigabyte. What is it? Pentabyte. Pentabyte? Yeah. Move over, you know. That's good. Hundreds of

01:54:26.140 thousands of pentabytes of data into a data warehouse for the FBI to go shopping every day and to come up

01:54:33.260 with intelligence products or, you know, to make sure that Donald Trump doesn't... You got to flesh out

01:54:38.500 shopping so people understand how simple this is and how accessible it is. Yeah, it's no different than

01:54:43.660 doing a Google search. You just set your search terms, you know, and you pull something back or

01:54:49.080 you get a report back or information back and you cull through that reporting data and you can build an

01:54:56.060 intelligence case. But the beauty of it is, and Kyle explains this very much better than I do, you can

01:55:01.700 build a parallel case without any real predication based on an intelligence case that has no predication.

01:55:09.020 So you start backfilling your faux, F-O-F-A-U-X case on predication that didn't exist.

01:55:19.740 So, like, let's say I'm investigating George, right? And he's talking to somebody from China.

01:55:25.140 So he's talking to a Chinese person that is under collection. So now I have some access to George.

01:55:29.780 And I see what he's doing and I'm looking into him. And so I open up in a case on George too,

01:55:33.720 right? Which I shouldn't do because that theoretically is reverse targeting unless I can

01:55:36.480 predicate it some other way. But that's what they do. So now we've got this. There's ways to

01:55:40.660 articulate it. It turns out you can dodge that. And I brought that to Congress. And I said, this is a

01:55:44.960 real problem. You guys should go into the operating rules. It's called the DIOG, the Domestic

01:55:48.580 Investigations Operation Guide. There's one little classified paragraph at the end of it that allows

01:55:52.240 them to get away with a lot of this stuff. And it would be very easy for them to tell the attorney

01:55:55.500 general to fix it, which they should. All right. So now I'm looking into George because he's talking to

01:55:59.540 the Chinese guy that I like. And I'm like, okay, well, George is not doing anything nefarious. He's not

01:56:04.400 selling out the country and he's not doing any of this, but he does have a short barrel rifle that

01:56:07.220 he keeps talking about with one of his other buddies. So now I'm onto something else. I was

01:56:10.980 talking about something that was national security. That's why I'm looking at George. But I'm not

01:56:15.860 interested in national security now because I found out that he's actually involved in another crime.

01:56:18.720 He has this like BS tax violation under the National Firearms Act. Okay. Well, how do I predicate that?

01:56:25.140 Because I got to go find them. I got to get the gun to be able to prove this case. So I got a couple

01:56:31.200 options I can do. I could just open up the case and not have any reason, but it's way easier for

01:56:36.100 me to go to Phil, who I found out is George's buddy. And I go, listen, Phil, I'm with the FBI.

01:56:42.100 And I understand, you know, George, and I know you guys have been to the range together. And I know

01:56:46.060 that, you know, he doesn't have a tax stamp for that rifle he's been shooting. So do you want to

01:56:49.780 tell me or do you want to get on the list too? You want to deal with me? And you go, yeah, yeah,

01:56:54.560 no, I want to tell you. And it's like, great. Now I can predicate a criminal investigation based

01:56:59.180 on a source reporting. Now, how did I get that information? I got it from something I'm not going

01:57:02.960 to be able to talk about in a warrant. I'm going to get it from a national security tool. This is

01:57:07.140 parallel construction, but I don't have to declassify my FISA or my 702 coverage. I don't

01:57:12.820 have to declassify any of that stuff. This is all protected by sources and methods, right?

01:57:16.780 But you're a source. That's a different thing. I can actually hide your identity as best I can,

01:57:19.800 but reported by a source. Now I have an allegation or information, which is the standard

01:57:23.760 for predicating a criminal case that George has violated the National Firearms Act of 1934.

01:57:29.180 It's an 18 USC 922 statute. Very easy. So now I go and I open up that case and now I can go after

01:57:36.560 George for a 10 year felony. Okay. But I found out of it by things that I should have never had a

01:57:42.380 fourth amendment right to go find. Yep. This is the real danger because let's say it was wire fraud.

01:57:47.200 I mean, there's a million things you could be doing that somebody might find out because the

01:57:50.020 minute that I find out that I'm interested in George, I can pull financials. Okay. I can do it

01:57:54.680 under the guise of protecting him because I don't want George to be targeted by foreign nations and

01:57:59.460 so on. He may even be able to put together a FISA package on me, in which case then I get everything.

01:58:03.840 And then he can two hop me. Two hop? Yeah. He can, this, who, this is who George is talking to

01:58:09.860 and this is who they are talking to. So now we're back to IPM again, right? Integrated program

01:58:16.780 management. Now we're talking big league numbers here, brother. Yeah. Because you, anyone, and then,

01:58:22.880 and that, that also brings into question the, anyone that you know, it brings into the privacy

01:58:27.820 of anyone that you happen to know. It doesn't matter like that they're, they're loosely connected

01:58:33.140 or affiliated or whatever. People are researching their wives and girlfriends. Yeah. So we found out

01:58:38.100 before this got clamped down just a little bit, that there were literally millions of violations of

01:58:42.700 702, um, you know, search parameters that were being used mostly by analysts, but also by

01:58:46.660 counterintelligence agents, people that worked in my job. As far as I know, I don't think I violated

01:58:50.260 it at all. I certainly wasn't like intending to, but the tool is really difficult because it's

01:58:53.780 imagine, imagine that you're not allowed to go look up, you know, you, um, I'm looking at George and

01:58:58.020 I'm not allowed to look you up because you're talking to George. Okay. If I'm not allowed to do that,

01:59:02.120 but your name pops up and you're doing the thing that I might be supposed to do. It's the,

01:59:05.920 imagine having a TSA agent where everybody goes through the metal detector. You're not allowed to use the

01:59:09.800 metal detector to find guns, but you have to find all the guns before they get on the

01:59:12.680 airplane. What are you going to do? You're using a tool that basically is set up to fail that person

01:59:16.860 unless you have those authorities and they're not granted. So that's really, really problematic.

01:59:20.220 It was millions. They tamped down on it. And I kid you not, Chris Ray came in and he was very,

01:59:26.560 very proud that they reduced like 95% of the threats and the problems and the abuse. And they

01:59:30.680 were only in like 284,000 in 2022, only 284,000 violations of the fourth amendment. Okay. Now do people

01:59:37.580 ever find out about it? Mostly not, but I'll give you a real concrete example that hits really close to

01:59:42.280 home to me. The FBI started investigating me because I've been kind of a pain in their butt.

01:59:46.700 And so one of the things they did is they wanted to hit me with an obstruction charge.

01:59:49.960 I found out through some sourcing, cause we still have some friendlies that within

01:59:52.880 the FBI, they're like, Hey man, DOJ and the FBI are having meetings at Hoover that are about you

01:59:58.100 specifically 45 minutes at a time, trying to figure out how do we get seraphine on an obstruction

02:00:01.920 charge. This is not a place you want to be. No, that's really big scared the living crap out of me.

02:00:06.880 I had to like, I went out and found like a defense attorney that was willing to jump

02:00:09.460 on with me. You know, it's expensive. And the fact that you had to put up somebody on retainer

02:00:13.040 for that. Yeah. Just finding an attorney that's willing to take the case is problematic because

02:00:17.280 nobody wants to fight the feds, especially if you're not rolling in money. I mean, there were,

02:00:22.860 there were, Donald Trump has had issues with, with his defense attorneys and stuff being targeted

02:00:28.240 and stuff. And Donald Trump is former president, billionaire. I mean, he's, his checks are probably

02:00:34.340 going to be good. You know what I mean? So he's, he's like one of the people that can actually

02:00:37.800 stand it and stand at least in the same footing. Yeah. Yeah. The average person is, is, is in a

02:00:43.380 position where they're going to find it almost impossible to find representation. Here's where

02:00:47.680 it gets really weird. So they subpoenaed my records for X and all of my social medias, I'm sure,

02:00:52.560 but I only found out about the one on X. And we found out of it because X has a transparency policy

02:00:56.880 where they notified us. They didn't actually notify me. They actually notified Garrett O'Boyle.

02:01:00.500 They went for two records, Garrett O'Boyle's and mine. And here's the thing. I didn't open up an

02:01:04.980 X account until after I'd left the FBI. So they can screw off on that one. But they went out and

02:01:10.880 got it. X corporation, Elon Musk's corporation sent because it was post acquisition. They fought this

02:01:16.880 and they fought it and they lost and they had to surrender all my, my X records. So anybody that

02:01:21.860 DM me is going to be in there and all those people, here's the fun thing. You can open up a

02:01:25.460 counterintelligence investigation into me simply because Iranian television reached out and asked for an

02:01:30.340 interview, which I denied. I didn't even open the DM, but the fact that they were doing it is

02:01:34.540 predication for them to actually open a CT case. I don't even have to open it. I just saw it was

02:01:39.780 from press TV. And when you look at the website for press TV, which anybody can go do, you'll see

02:01:43.560 this thing, this thing has been captured by the FBI. They've got a banner on there. They seized the

02:01:46.940 website. They stole the URL. And so even that alone would be enough to predicate an intel case on

02:01:52.260 me. So I know they have one because they, why wouldn't they? Because they were trying to do a

02:01:56.060 criminal one as well. And so they go in the door, they can get in. The scary thing was, is that even though

02:01:59.780 they lost, or not the scary thing, I guess the silver lining is, we found out that Elon Musk and

02:02:04.660 co actually fought this and they continued to appeal the process, even though they turned over

02:02:08.680 the information, they fought it on a first amendment grounds, that there was in fact, no due process,

02:02:12.880 that I hadn't been served with anything. And there was no allegation of a crime. And so the best part

02:02:16.980 was, is they actually argued that in DC, in the district of DC, in the appeal circuit. And so they

02:02:22.760 didn't name me, by the way, they redacted my name and they redacted Garrett's name, but they're two

02:02:26.980 former FBI whistleblowers, you know, who were doing this thing. And they describe our accounts

02:02:30.760 like very dramatically. And it's like, there's only two people that fit that. And so, and then

02:02:34.500 also they notified Garrett that he and I both had been subpoenaed. And it's worth noting that prior

02:02:39.900 to Musk's acquisition of X, there probably would have been no resistance at all.

02:02:44.860 It wouldn't have had to subpoena it. That's what we found out.

02:02:47.360 The FBI just had a desk essentially at Twitter when it was there.

02:02:52.020 Well, this is what, one of George's whistleblowing activities is that some companies have chosen to

02:02:55.660 work with the federal government for reasons.

02:02:57.240 Actually, I was going to go into that. So let's get a little darker because it's just not dark

02:03:00.660 enough. I went in front of the weapons, weaponization committee because I had a front row seat to the

02:03:08.480 shenanigans that the FBI was involved in with Bank of America on January 6th. What happened

02:03:16.900 was, is that the Washington field office set a lead in Sentinel. So in layman's terms, it's

02:03:23.760 like a honeydew list, but it's electronic and you can't ignore it. Just like you can't ignore

02:03:29.900 a honeydew list from your wife. If it gives you something to do, you better do it and you

02:03:34.580 better tell her what you did or show it one or the other. So the Washington field office

02:03:39.640 sent a lead via Sentinel to the FBI office, which went to, and he wasn't happy with it when

02:03:48.720 it first came out, but he's since been, you know, people in the Bureau know who he is,

02:03:53.180 but I'm still going to keep his name out of the discussion. It went to the supervisory

02:03:57.680 special agent in charge of the domestic terrorism squad. Now, earlier in our conversation, I said

02:04:03.240 I had the Boston Regional Intelligence Center, the BRIC and the Fusion Center. So I would meet

02:04:07.760 with this gentleman at least once a week, face to face and talk to him every day because

02:04:13.660 his purview was domestic terrorism. I had analysts embedded both at the BRIC and at the Fusion

02:04:20.680 Center. So I go into his office and swings his monitor around and says, have you seen

02:04:25.760 this? And I'm like, no, I haven't because the lead was sent to his squad. They wanted his

02:04:32.400 squad to open up cases on everybody who went to the Trump rally on January 6th from the Boston

02:04:41.960 area. One of them opened up cases and the predication, well, not really predication, but the intel came

02:04:50.160 from Bank of America. Bank of America took it upon themselves to data mined their customer

02:04:56.500 base and strip off of there anyone across the country. This is voluntary by BOA? I'm getting

02:05:03.460 into it. Okay, good. Yeah. It gets dark. Strip off anybody who went to Washington, D.C. that

02:05:11.220 used a Bank of America product either to book a flight or some sort of transportation to

02:05:16.280 D.C. or used a BOA product in D.C. So that a debit card, a credit card, scratch the check,

02:05:23.020 whatever. So we got about 20 names on that list of people that were in D.C. that Bank of

02:05:31.460 America generated. Bank of America all then took that list for the whole entire country

02:05:36.900 and then resorted it. So if you, not only if you were in D.C. using a BOA product, if you had

02:05:44.100 ever bought a firearm in your life with a BOA credit card. So if you went to South Dakota to go

02:05:50.560 pheasant hunting with your son and bought a shotgun at Walmart or the fleet farm, you're on the top of

02:05:58.340 the list. So that was done without any legal process at all. It just materialized in the

02:06:08.460 Washington field office whose desk, I don't remember. I know that, I know the name of the

02:06:16.240 agent who sent it, but it was years ago. I don't remember, you know, who set the lead.

02:06:20.120 And then Director Wray testified, well, I don't know who asked for it. I don't know if we asked

02:06:26.760 for it. I don't know if Bank of America volunteered it, but it just appeared without any formal request

02:06:33.740 from the FBI. Does that answer your question?

02:06:37.020 I mean, sort of. Yeah, I think it does. And did that have, did Operation Chokepoint have anything

02:06:45.920 to do with that? Or is that a completely different, uh... Now you're talking about the financial

02:06:49.180 involving... Yeah, the finance... Is that... So that came afterwards. So we know... So Chokepoint was

02:06:53.780 after? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But we know... So this was even after Congress knew about financial

02:07:00.440 institutions voluntarily interacting with the FBI, then Chokepoint occurs. Well, Chokepoint was...

02:07:07.820 You're talking about Chokepoint 2.0, I think. Okay. Well, when the federal government...

02:07:11.920 The first one happened in, like, 14... Yeah, when the federal government started using...

02:07:15.960 You know, using the FBI to influence who the banks would do business with and stuff like

02:07:23.660 that, so... Correct. So that happened early. That was the first round of it. This was...

02:07:26.300 I was thinking of FinCEN. Yeah, this is a voluntary disclosure going

02:07:29.040 the opposite direction. Okay. Um... Yeah, and that's... I mean, that was the Bank of America

02:07:33.920 just saying, hey, federal government, this... You should know about this. So let's get real

02:07:38.000 weird about it. Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi did things called the Twitter

02:07:41.340 Files. Do you remember those? Yep. Yep. What those... This is my synthesis of that analysis.

02:07:46.740 What happened there was the FBI, on behalf of all of the IC and all the executive agencies,

02:07:54.260 cultivated a number of businesses the way that you cultivate a source. They found out their

02:07:59.640 motivations, their pinch points, the things that will otherwise make them comply, pain points,

02:08:04.460 and how they could ease them. They gave them carrot and stick opportunities, the same way you do

02:08:08.300 with someone who's committed a crime, and you want them to inform on their friends.

02:08:11.580 And they cultivated them to do the things that they wanted without having to ask for it all the time.

02:08:15.440 And when they did ask for it, they got less and less pushback until they got none.

02:08:18.560 They did that with the... This choke point was a piece that was leaning that on the financial industry,

02:08:22.500 2013 onward. The Twitter file showed that they did that with big tech as well.

02:08:26.680 And they've done it with censorship. They've done it with...

02:08:29.500 Get ready for a Las Vegas-style action at BetMGM, the king of online casinos.

02:08:35.300 Enjoy casino games at your fingertips with the same Vegas Strip excitement MGM is famous for

02:08:40.540 when you play classics like MGM Grand Millions or popular games like Blackjack,

02:08:45.520 Baccarat, and Roulette. With our ever-growing library of digital slot games,

02:08:50.340 a large selection of online table games, and signature BetMGM service,

02:08:54.420 there's no better way to bring the excitement and ambience of Las Vegas home to you

02:08:58.720 than with BetMGM Casino. Download the BetMGM Casino app today.

02:09:04.380 BetMGM and GameSense remind you to play responsibly.

02:09:06.900 BetMGM.com for T's and C's. 19 plus to wager. Ontario only. Please play responsibly.

02:09:11.860 If you have questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you,

02:09:15.220 please contact Connects Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor.

02:09:22.280 Free of charge.

02:09:22.920 BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario.

02:09:27.220 And here they come. The in-store ProLine better.

02:09:31.000 Walking towards the counter, ready to score great iron glory.

02:09:34.040 A few taps on their phone and now they're showing it to the cashier.

02:09:37.820 Did you notice that speed?

02:09:39.720 Folks, they created an NFL bet slip on the ProLine app and with one scan, the bet is placed.

02:09:45.080 They're all set for kickoff.

02:09:46.880 Get same-day cash payouts. Download the app and bet NFL in-store with ProLine.

02:09:53.540 18 plus terms and conditions apply.

02:09:55.200 The monetization of media as well.

02:09:58.940 So you've looked at the federal government stepping in and cultivating friendlies in

02:10:03.480 agencies and entities that would otherwise be theoretically interested in free speech

02:10:07.400 and preservation.

02:10:08.300 There's actually bank secrecy rules that probably should come into play.

02:10:10.820 And I don't know how that comes in.

02:10:11.980 But when they voluntarily give it to you, it means there's no process.

02:10:15.060 And why would someone come and voluntarily do it?

02:10:17.960 Unless I take you, Phil, I groom you as my source and so that you know that if you go

02:10:20.940 ahead and it's like, dude, I met some Proud Boys this weekend and you're like, oh, good.

02:10:23.880 Tell me more.

02:10:25.000 Yeah.

02:10:25.160 Why would you know to tell me that?

02:10:26.500 Unless I've cultivated you, these are the things I've primed you to be aware of them,

02:10:31.160 right?

02:10:31.380 I've tuned you into a particular radar and then, you know, you get paid when you have

02:10:34.520 good information.

02:10:35.220 And I've never done Proud Boy investigation, although I've done other like white supremacy investigations,

02:10:39.260 which I think are mostly garbage.

02:10:41.200 My experience with them is like 22 year old kid getting a Starbucks, you know,

02:10:45.060 wearing boat shoes and having khaki pants and a polo shirt on.

02:10:47.600 He was like on Reddit and he's a racist.

02:10:48.940 Like, I don't necessarily like what he has to say, but this is America and you're allowed

02:10:52.840 to be that guy.

02:10:53.540 Yeah.

02:10:53.880 Yeah.

02:10:54.040 Now, if you want to go blow something up, that's a very different animal.

02:10:56.440 And so there are people that we have to watch for that.

02:10:58.180 But when you start running these cases that are garbage and you start tuning your source

02:11:01.940 network, including massive industries that have all of your data, you know, that puts the

02:11:07.040 American people at a very, very big disadvantage, which is why you got to get back away

02:11:10.100 from the intel business and get into the law enforcement business.

02:11:12.960 You need a predicated action.

02:11:13.900 And allegation or information of a federal crime should be it.

02:11:16.660 And the U.S.

02:11:17.440 government is prohibited from keeping a firearms registration list.

02:11:21.720 But what the Bank of America provide for the FBI?

02:11:23.800 Yeah.

02:11:24.060 Firearms registration list.

02:11:25.440 Yeah.

02:11:26.000 Yeah.

02:11:26.400 You know, and so the other institutions have that as well.

02:11:28.720 And credit card companies are seeking to capture that data with a, it's a three digit

02:11:32.520 code.

02:11:32.940 I forget what the name of it is, where they capture firearms purchases.

02:11:37.660 You know, some people now, ideally, if you can, you want to make those purchases using

02:11:43.080 cash.

02:11:43.900 Yeah.

02:11:44.680 But if they go with a CBDC, a central bank digital currency, well, the federal government

02:11:49.680 can tell you like, oh, no, you can't, you can't use your money to buy red meat because

02:11:52.740 you're fat and overweight and you have high cholesterol and you can't buy a firearm.

02:11:55.660 It's for your own good though.

02:11:56.720 Yeah.

02:11:56.900 I mean, I think that, I mean, I'm not sure that there are enough people in Congress that

02:12:02.600 are aware of the dangers of what a CBDC would mean, but it is, it's something that, that

02:12:07.640 at least the internet is very aware of if you go to, if you're on X or a lot of, I imagine

02:12:14.160 not that I'm a Redditor, but I imagine there's a lot of people on Reddit that are.

02:12:16.760 I can't figure out how to use Reddit.

02:12:17.900 It must be, I must've missed the gap when you could jump on that train.

02:12:21.580 All I've ever heard is it's just a cesspool.

02:12:23.460 So I, I, a leftist cesspool because the people that run it are the people that moderate are

02:12:27.760 So let's get even worse with that.

02:12:29.300 So there was a guy named Elvis Chan that came out during the Twitter files.

02:12:31.740 He was sort of the point man in, in San Francisco that was interfacing with a lot of the big

02:12:35.860 tech companies.

02:12:36.640 He was an SSA, right?

02:12:38.260 Uh, no, he was an ASAC at the time.

02:12:40.280 So he was a GS-15.

02:12:40.980 GS-15.

02:12:41.480 Never said no to a bad idea.

02:12:42.620 That's who he was.

02:12:43.600 Um, and the fun thing about guys like Elvis Chan, whose name got really public during that

02:12:47.440 kind of expose is that I had people reach out from the bureau.

02:12:50.500 I'm already out at that time and they're reaching out to me and they're like,

02:12:52.520 I've been in meetings.

02:12:53.620 I've been on conference calls.

02:12:54.740 I've been on like training and education where Elvis Chan is up on the stage with the

02:12:59.280 CEO of Reddit and other tech companies.

02:13:01.960 But Reddit specifically was called out at one point.

02:13:04.500 And he said, we can't enforce your terms of service and we can't tell you what to do

02:13:09.920 to censor Americans, but we can always point them out.

02:13:12.780 And if you guys want to do something about it, you're up, it's up to you.

02:13:15.020 A literal wink and nod on stage on a video camera presentation.

02:13:19.180 And I know the FBI has documents of this.

02:13:21.280 I know that they have them and they haven't been transparent.

02:13:23.680 So for me,

02:13:24.380 Is it something that you could find on the internet or no?

02:13:26.540 No, it's done on their side.

02:13:27.820 It's done on the, it's on the, it's on the classified network.

02:13:30.060 And the problem is, is I've reached out and I've got FOIA requests right now.

02:13:32.840 I've been suing the bureau for over a year, trying to get FOIA requests, showing them

02:13:35.720 making fun of congressmen at the Hoover building in November of 2023.

02:13:40.440 I know they did it because I know somebody in the meeting that shared it with me.

02:13:44.040 And they said that it was so bad that even people that were on the political left said

02:13:46.940 no adult reviewed this procedure.

02:13:48.600 Nobody actually reviewed this presentation.

02:13:50.020 They did.

02:13:50.520 It was terrible.

02:13:51.280 And it was all senior executives that were involved in doing the presentation.

02:13:55.160 So we're suing for it.

02:13:56.360 And I've gotten stuff back in FOIA.

02:13:57.680 This is the other problem, transparency.

02:13:59.400 So you know what I got back?

02:14:00.980 I got the slideshow that says investigations by the 118th Congress into the FBI, the opening

02:14:05.740 slide deck.

02:14:06.440 And I got the last slide as well.

02:14:07.920 Questions, comments, sarcastic remarks, or whatever it is.

02:14:09.660 Everything else is redacted.

02:14:10.620 I got a video and the video is them setting up the podium and a guy saying, okay, we're

02:14:13.980 going to get started here.

02:14:14.620 He taps on the thing and then it cuts.

02:14:16.780 So you're not going to share it.

02:14:17.960 Why not?

02:14:18.420 I know they didn't talk about anything classified.

02:14:20.020 I had somebody in the building.

02:14:22.320 Now, what are we going to do with you?

02:14:23.580 So when a cash Patel comes in, the disruptive sort of force, the answer has to be, we need

02:14:27.800 to open these things up so that transparency is the byword.

02:14:30.560 That yes is the answer that we go default to both the press and to the independent press

02:14:34.180 and to the alternative media groups.

02:14:35.880 They need to be able to be accountable to people and they're not right now.

02:14:38.680 And the minute we can kind of get that motivation where people stop serving themselves the way

02:14:44.160 we talked about earlier, and they start looking towards the actual mission, you probably don't

02:14:48.020 know this, but in Donald Trump's, he gets out of office at the end of 2021, right?

02:14:53.120 Beginning of 2021.

02:14:53.940 So his last couple of days in, somewhere between September 3rd and September 7th of 2020,

02:14:59.900 Trump's term, the FBI changed their core values.

02:15:03.540 You could find it on the internet through the Wayback Machine.

02:15:06.940 I knew they did it when I worked there, but I didn't know exactly the date until after

02:15:09.880 I got out.

02:15:10.360 And I went through the archives.

02:15:11.840 December 3rd, December 7th, there were, you know, different refreshes on the Wayback

02:15:15.420 Machine on the archives there.

02:15:16.960 And somewhere between that time, they updated it.

02:15:19.420 And it used to be that when I signed up, the number one core value of the FBI was rigid

02:15:23.680 obedience to the Constitution of the United States.

02:15:26.320 That was it.

02:15:26.760 It was a full thing.

02:15:27.360 That is now number seven behind things like inclusivity and diversity, and they've shortened

02:15:33.360 it.

02:15:33.620 So now it's rigid, it's rigid obedience to the Constitution, period.

02:15:37.280 No United States of America.

02:15:38.540 I don't know why.

02:15:39.680 I don't, but when people tell you their mission statement, and George has private sector experience

02:15:42.900 to explain this, mission statements mean something, even though they're kind of frustrating

02:15:46.120 when you're an employee that's at a low level.

02:15:47.780 They actually are telling you who they are.

02:15:49.420 And the FBI told us who they were in 2020.

02:15:51.160 But at length, right?

02:15:53.580 It's a very verbose explanation of who the FBI is, right?

02:15:59.140 If it's usually, you know, your core values are like a couple, three, four sentences tops.

02:16:05.080 It's usually not a list, you know, because then they're not core values.

02:16:08.840 Yeah.

02:16:09.160 You know, it's the result of a brainstorming session.

02:16:14.520 We got to make sure, you know, that we have all this in there.

02:16:18.920 It reminds me of a South American constitution revamp.

02:16:22.160 In South America, a lot of the countries in South America, the constitutions are, you

02:16:26.980 know, pages and pages.

02:16:28.560 Too many equities involved.

02:16:29.760 I think the Indian constitution is over a thousand pages for India.

02:16:34.300 I mean, yeah.

02:16:35.480 Have we gotten too far into the FBI?

02:16:37.020 Do we get away from terrorism and national security?

02:16:38.860 I mean, I don't know.

02:16:39.840 I mean, the conversation flowing is always a good thing.

02:16:42.180 And also, I mean, this is the kind of stuff that, you know, our audience is extremely

02:16:47.420 friendly to.

02:16:49.000 They love to hear inside information about the abuses that we need to look out for.

02:16:54.980 But it is about time we wrapped it up.

02:16:57.220 So, George, if you don't mind giving us a couple of final thoughts and then we'll go

02:17:00.820 to you, Kyle.

02:17:01.660 You know, what is it that you think that could be done with the new administration?

02:17:06.640 And if you want to go ahead and add anything else, I think Doge provides the best vehicle

02:17:13.060 for reforming the federal government.

02:17:17.940 You've got to get rid of it.

02:17:19.100 If you have a dandelion weed growing in your yard, you don't trim off the yellow flower

02:17:23.560 and the seeds and the leaves.

02:17:25.020 It grows out.

02:17:26.480 Some of these agencies are going to have to be ripped out.

02:17:28.920 If they haven't been expressly called for in the constitution and they're not at or they're

02:17:33.480 not adding value to the American public, they need to be gotten rid of entirely.

02:17:39.140 What you can't get rid of, you need to shrink drastically.

02:17:42.280 We've seen government shutdowns where nobody's really noticed other than when Obama closed

02:17:48.620 World War II memorials for veterans in wheelchairs that couldn't visit during the last government

02:17:54.000 shutdown.

02:17:55.600 So that has to happen.

02:17:57.560 And then the other thing, because this was a national security show, we need to be greatly

02:18:03.080 concerned about China.

02:18:05.820 Their penetration of our infrastructure is complete.

02:18:10.260 My biggest concern is, is that they turn everything off either across the country or in parts of

02:18:16.740 the country and let us suffer for seven to 10 days and then turn it back on and say, okay,

02:18:22.160 are you ready to take a knee now?

02:18:23.860 Oh, you're not.

02:18:26.020 All right.

02:18:26.500 How about another three weeks?

02:18:29.800 That's, that's my greatest concern.

02:18:31.840 This crazy talk about Chinese submarines and all this other stuff is just that it's crazy

02:18:36.400 talk.

02:18:36.880 They don't know anything about submarines.

02:18:38.340 They don't know anything about our SOSIS network.

02:18:40.180 They don't know anything.

02:18:41.840 That's my greatest concern.

02:18:43.960 The book.

02:18:44.960 And that's a very real tangible threat as well.

02:18:47.020 Correct.

02:18:47.500 What?

02:18:47.740 China?

02:18:48.140 Well, no, whether that the, the, the capacity to shut entire part of cities off.

02:18:52.660 Oh, no, it a hundred, a hundred percent exists.

02:18:54.620 I had the counterintelligence and the cyber programs in Boston and it was, they were robust

02:19:00.180 then.

02:19:01.100 In every urban area.

02:19:02.300 Better now.

02:19:03.380 I highly recommend the hundred year marathon by Pillsbury and Peter Zion's book on China

02:19:10.320 and just about anything by Gordon Chang.

02:19:12.260 One has to understand Chinese culture before you can fully understand the threat that it

02:19:20.200 poses to the United States, but make no mistake about it.

02:19:23.580 They see themselves as a global hegemon.

02:19:26.780 And in order to do that, they're not going to share the stage with the United States.

02:19:31.660 Where, where can people find you?

02:19:33.780 Senior chief EXW on X or Twitter.

02:19:37.440 If you prefer to use that name.

02:19:39.300 It was the highest rank I held.

02:19:41.240 You know, I'm very proud of, obviously my Marine Corps service wound up going in the

02:19:46.220 Navy reserve and then getting swept into the vortex that became the GWAT.

02:19:51.300 All right, Kyle.

02:19:52.560 So a real important thing for people to remember, particularly people on the political right,

02:19:56.100 a lot of Republicans, and that's not conservatives per se, these are Republicans.

02:19:59.420 They want to use the infrastructure that exists and say, as long as we control it, we're

02:20:03.220 going to win.

02:20:04.220 And that's really a problem.

02:20:05.380 You're fighting, you're, you're trying to hold onto fire.

02:20:07.440 I think if people understand that the federal government is the worst solution to every

02:20:11.300 single problem, even when it is the only solution, it needs to constantly be vigorously maintained,

02:20:17.520 checked, and you have to keep a lot of accountability on it.

02:20:20.300 Not retribution, but accountability in order to keep it in check.

02:20:23.400 Otherwise it will run afoul.

02:20:24.880 And somebody is always going to come over and take over the reins of government later.

02:20:28.060 So you should be building things that are built against abuses.

02:20:32.560 Because just because you can control today doesn't mean you will tomorrow.

02:20:35.140 And so that means that people have to be constitutional.

02:20:37.080 It also means another thing that's a little bit more difficult.

02:20:39.360 They actually have to go out there and be responsible for their own safety.

02:20:42.280 No one's going to come and save you.

02:20:43.520 No one's going to solve your problems.

02:20:44.960 If you guys want to do the single biggest thing that most people can do for themselves,

02:20:48.380 folks, go out and take a stop the bleed course.

02:20:50.780 Go out and take a emergency trauma first responder course.

02:20:53.800 Learn how to stop bleeding.

02:20:55.200 You're probably not going to be able to stop a terrorist attack, but you might be able to

02:20:57.920 save someone's life in it.

02:20:59.380 During the Pulse nightclub shooting, 49 people died.

02:21:02.000 Seven of them died from positional asphyxia.

02:21:03.840 They basically just had their airway collapse.

02:21:05.680 They got really small and they died as they went into shock.

02:21:08.920 If they were pulled off the wall, they would have lived.

02:21:10.820 That's how little it took.

02:21:11.900 So go to learn how to do a March assessment, learn how to do a rapid trauma assessment and

02:21:15.460 a rapid trauma interventions.

02:21:16.780 You can do this for about $40 worth of equipment.

02:21:19.240 You can have an NPA.

02:21:20.620 You can have a cat tourniquet.

02:21:21.840 You can have a couple of bandages.

02:21:22.960 You can have one little idea to do a pressure dressing.

02:21:25.080 You can learn how to do this stuff yourself.

02:21:26.460 So nobody has to be completely incapacitated with fear.

02:21:29.200 And then go out and do ride-alongs because it's really important.

02:21:31.160 If you're not responding to your own emergencies, if you don't have your own self-response,

02:21:34.380 then you are going to be reliant on the government.

02:21:36.360 So you can make yourself ungovernable by actually taking that back.

02:21:39.460 A lot of people don't want to do it.

02:21:40.620 It takes work.

02:21:41.220 So be proactive in that.

02:21:42.580 Don't wait for the FBI or the local police to come save you.

02:21:45.640 And I also recommend people learn how to use a firearm safely.

02:21:48.620 Go out there and get training.

02:21:50.080 Spend time.

02:21:50.640 Know where you're laying.

02:21:51.320 Some people are not going to be the right person for that.

02:21:53.180 But if you are that kind of person to make sure you do it, take responsibility for yourself.

02:21:56.720 And if people want to follow me, they can do so over on social media where I like to mix it up with anybody.

02:22:00.700 I don't care how small your account is.

02:22:02.040 I will get into it, especially if you say something nasty.

02:22:03.960 It's my favorite.

02:22:05.080 My cup runneth over with people that want to call me fed.

02:22:07.860 I'll mess with them.

02:22:10.280 It's Kyle Serafin.

02:22:11.100 It's just at Kyle Serafin there.

02:22:12.560 We're over on Rumble as well, just like you guys.

02:22:14.000 We do it in the morning.

02:22:14.960 Awesome.

02:22:15.780 And don't buy Chinese tourniquets.

02:22:18.200 Don't buy them from Amazon.

02:22:19.920 Get them from someone that has reputable quality products.

02:22:24.520 I'm Phil Labonte.

02:22:26.020 I'm Phil.

02:22:26.400 It remains on Twix.

02:22:27.260 You can check out updates throughout the day.

02:22:31.180 I think there's some posts that they've got lined up.

02:22:33.660 And then we will be back here for IRL tonight at 8 p.m.

02:22:37.480 So thanks for watching.

02:22:38.680 Their entrance makes the bingo balls rumble in fear.

02:22:58.140 The free space is free out of respect for them.

02:23:01.240 And their dabs are too fast for the naked eye.

02:23:04.180 They're not just grandmas.

02:23:05.480 They're grandmasters, Betty, Dolly, Martha, queens of Delta Bingo,

02:23:12.680 haulers of the hall.

02:23:14.160 And they're here to teach the next generation of players.

02:23:18.140 Learn what it takes to be a bingo master at grandmasters.ca.

02:23:22.080 Must be 18 plus.

02:23:23.000 Play smart.

02:23:23.660 If your kid thinks, I'm not a math kid, think again.

02:23:26.540 With Mathnasium, every kid can be a math kid.

02:23:28.820 At our learning centers, we customize math instruction for each student.

02:23:31.960 So advanced kids get challenged and struggling kids get better.

02:23:34.520 Visit mathnasium.com forward slash CA to find a location near you.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - January 10, 2025

Cyber Truck Bombing & Terrorism, 2025 Threats To The Homeland

Episode Stats

Length

Words per Minute

Word Count

Sentence Count

Misogynist Sentences

Hate Speech Sentences

Summary

Transcript