The Culture War - Tim Pool - Democrat VOWS SECOND Bill To Force Trump To Release Epstein Files ft. Rep. Ro Khanna

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00:00:59.400 Keller 20. Donald Trump has told his followers to move on and not waste time on the Epstein files.

00:01:06.000 They're not happy with it. But just the other day, Rep Ro Khanna has called for the release of any files

00:01:12.640 pertaining to Epstein's prosecution and evidence to be published on the DOJ website. Republicans have

00:01:21.080 blocked this effort leading to a bit of controversy. Many people are now saying that Trump is dead to

00:01:26.640 them. They can't believe he would cover this up. The Republicans in the House clearly are hiding this

00:01:31.100 because they could have gotten these files out, but it is a bit contentious. In fact, the challenge,

00:01:35.400 I suppose, is a blanket amendment saying release any evidence means the DOJ is going to be publishing

00:01:40.880 child abuse material on the DOJ website. Well, my friends, we're kicking off this show a bit with

00:01:48.740 the interview early as we were trying to make time to make sure we can get Rep Ro Khanna in and we do

00:01:53.960 have him. I'll be bringing in the representative who introduced the amendment to get all of the Epstein 0.55

00:01:59.140 files and evidence published right now. So we're going to fix the echo right now.

00:02:08.140 We're getting echo. It happens. All right, let's see what we got to do. We figured out what was

00:02:13.620 wrong with it. That was. Hey, can you hear me? Yeah, I can't see you, but I can hear you. We're

00:02:21.040 getting it going. Sorry about that. We had some we had some echo problem the other day that we had

00:02:24.220 to work out. Can you see me now? I can. I can. All right. Let's let's bring you in. Representative,

00:02:29.960 thanks for joining me today. You introduced an amendment to get the Epstein files and evidence

00:02:35.220 published within 30 days and it was struck down. The first thing I want to ask you is,

00:02:40.420 do you think the Trump administration is covering up Epstein's crimes?

00:02:45.760 I don't know, but like you, as you had tweeted out in February of this year, I believe that

00:02:53.400 they should release the Epstein client list. They should release any of the evidence.

00:03:00.040 They promised that. Trump promised that. The attorney general promised that. Now,

00:03:04.520 I just want to clarify because you're always fair. I do not want any of the victim's identity released.

00:03:11.140 I do not want any of the potential child pornography released. All of that under the amendment

00:03:20.200 is covered because they under DOJ policy do not have to release any of that information. I made

00:03:28.000 it clear I don't. And in a bill that I'm going to be introducing, a bipartisan bill soon, we're going

00:03:32.640 to make that perfectly explicit that that should not be released. So for those that aren't familiar,

00:03:39.380 the amendment was voted down. It was seven to five Republicans. I believe the Democrats voted yes to

00:03:43.720 have the files and evidence released within 30 days. The Republicans voted no. Now, I don't know

00:03:49.320 the Republican voted with us, Ralph. Right. You're correct. Apologies. Apologies. You're correct.

00:03:54.720 I suppose on the surface, the easy out, if you're going to look at this negatively Republicans as a

00:04:00.560 cover up, the easy out is, well, certainly the DOJ has its policies about not releasing the child abuse

00:04:06.880 materials and certain evidence that could compromise a case. But your amendment did say that

00:04:11.260 any would be released. It didn't have a carve out explaining any kind of special actions they could

00:04:15.680 take. The easy argument is, well, of course, you can't vote yes on that. It would compromise

00:04:20.680 investigations and it would compromise the victims. Well, our understanding from the amendment from

00:04:26.880 legal counsel is that it would not have in any way interfered with the DOJ's policies of protecting

00:04:33.740 victims. And the DOJ has that right. But because of that issue that some have raised, we're going to

00:04:40.520 make it absolutely explicit in this bipartisan bill that we're going to be putting forward.

00:04:47.820 And the reality is that some people, not you, I believe you because you come from a sincere place,

00:04:53.540 but some people are doing mental gymnastics to try to prevent this release. And I want to make it clear

00:04:59.960 victims should be protected. None of the pornographic stuff should be out there. But let me ask you,

00:05:06.880 if that was the case, and we have a bill that makes that very clear, will you support the idea

00:05:11.140 that the evidence on any client list, the evidence regarding Jeffrey Epstein, that that should become

00:05:16.520 public?

00:05:17.600 Eighty percent. Because the answer is simply yes. But the challenge is, well, I'll put it this way first.

00:05:24.100 They've come out and they've said there's no information that would predicate an investigation of

00:05:30.280 third parties. There's not evidence that would, you know, implicate them and bring criminal charges.

00:05:35.220 If the argument from the DOJ is right now, case closed, then absolutely, let's release it.

00:05:42.180 If they're going to say that there's no evidence Epstein, you know, that third parties were

00:05:46.040 involved in any of the crimes he was doing, so long as they're not releasing any images or

00:05:50.740 information that's private to the victims. If they're going to say who he worked for

00:05:55.260 and what he was doing, then so be it. Because the argument then is that there will be no innocent

00:06:03.900 fallout. There's not going to be some individual who may have met him in a party who will be falsely

00:06:08.280 accused because that won't be in any of the documents. No documents will implicate them in

00:06:12.100 any way. A hundred percent. Now, I suppose the question then is, are they lying about there actually

00:06:17.940 being evidence of wrongdoing that's being covered up? In which case, I suppose we have to force their

00:06:23.760 hand because we can't accept that. But would the release of any information compromise any

00:06:28.420 investigations in the future? I'm curious, your thoughts based on, you know, my assessment.

00:06:33.800 Look, I don't think it will compromise anything in the future. And if there was some case that they

00:06:38.240 thought they were going to bring, they should bring it or give that explanation for why they're not

00:06:42.900 releasing part of it because there's an investigation that's ongoing. Here's a legitimate

00:06:48.120 concern. You know, look, the DOJ usually does not release interviews and evidence until they charge

00:06:56.920 someone because you don't want a precedent that the government is investigating you and then they

00:07:03.080 release all this information and they don't charge you and they destroy people's reputation. So I get

00:07:07.880 that argument. But because you've had, in this case, the president of the United States campaign on

00:07:13.300 releasing the information, because you've had Pam Bondi go on TV and say there is a file. I know she's

00:07:18.880 now saying it's a file, not the client list, but she's made those representations. Because you have

00:07:23.340 real concerns about foreign leaders being involved and potentially intelligence agencies being involved.

00:07:28.600 I think the president should say, in this case, we're making an exception. We're releasing all the

00:07:33.300 files to have total sunshine. Recognize there may be people mentioned in these files who are not guilty

00:07:39.920 and the American people were going to trust their judgment to sort through that. And this is not a

00:07:44.760 precedent for the DOJ doing this again. But it's in this case, we're going to do that. And that,

00:07:49.920 I think, weighs the legitimate concerns that some people innocent will be caught up in

00:07:54.560 the release. But I have confidence that the American people are being fair.

00:07:58.360 I agree. I think this is great. You know, yesterday when we talked about the initial

00:08:03.140 you came out on the floor, you said you wanted to make this happen. On the surface, we get the idea.

00:08:08.180 I think I and many people in a similar space completely agree and appreciate the actions you're

00:08:13.220 taking to get this information released to the public. And then, of course, the big concern with the

00:08:17.360 vote was clarifying any amendments on making sure they don't just dump everything they have with

00:08:22.620 that. With that being agreed. And I appreciate you say that. So with that being said, I think this is

00:08:27.440 fantastic. The question then becomes, why aren't they releasing it? Why? Why did why? Why this 180

00:08:33.800 from all of these people? I mean, Cash, Dan, Trump, Pam Bondi. She says, you know, they give these

00:08:42.480 binders to people with phase one Epstein release. And then the next thing we know, there is no phase

00:08:48.240 two. There's nothing to see or it's all gone. Why do you think this is 180 happening? You know,

00:08:53.240 I really don't know other than to say that they're probably influential, powerful people who are

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00:09:56.800 To politicians who play golf with politicians who are caught up in it. And let's be clear,

00:10:01.660 some of these people may not have actually, you know, visited an island or engaged in

00:10:07.940 illegal conduct with an underage woman. Some of these people may just have solicited Jeffrey

00:10:13.380 Epstein for a contribution, or may have gone to a party, or may have been on a plane. And my guess

00:10:19.600 is that they are reluctant to release all of this because they know that a lot of influential,

00:10:25.800 powerful people will be implicated. And they probably think, you know, people aren't going to

00:10:31.960 really care. The reason people care, though, is this is something deeper than just the

00:10:36.080 Epstein file. It's like, if a country is not willing to stand up for young girls and protecting

00:10:43.060 their children, and willing to provide impunity to rich and powerful men, then what kind of country

00:10:47.720 are we? And it speaks to people's fundamental sense that there's something rotten in Washington

00:10:52.480 that we've gotten to corrupt. And that's why ultimately, I do think that Trump will be

00:10:57.340 forced to release these things. Because the argument isn't just coming from people like

00:11:02.860 me, it's coming from people like you and people who voted. I don't know who you voted for, but

00:11:07.040 people who voted for Trump. But this is the ultimate bipartisan issue. You know, going back even to

00:11:15.780 2000s, there had been information about Epstein. He got these these sweetheart deals, even though he

00:11:21.440 was accused of very serious crimes. And then even up to like, you know, 2019, the charges they levy

00:11:27.260 against him were light compared to the evidence that was already in the public sphere. Notably,

00:11:31.740 there was a an individual, I think it was his butler who worked for him, who had been criminally

00:11:35.500 charged for trying to sell off the information of the people he's working with. There are there

00:11:40.100 are concerns, I guess, that it I will I will add this, it's the ultimate bipartisan issue. But there

00:11:47.140 are there are conspiracies, everybody's got a theory. What if this implicates US intelligence,

00:11:54.420 the US intelligence apparatus and its its allies, perhaps MI6 or Mossad, or maybe even anything else

00:12:02.560 out of Europe? Some some theorize the reason Trump doesn't want to release it is because it's going

00:12:07.220 to compromise in some way national security, not to you know, and again, I'm not saying don't

00:12:13.080 release. I'm saying release. I get it. Well, isn't that more of a reason to release it? I mean, look,

00:12:18.160 I don't think I don't think anyone would say that our CIA has been innocent in our history. There was

00:12:23.660 the whole church commission right on the church investigation. Some of the intelligence agencies

00:12:28.660 used to be involved in assassinations of overseas leaders used to be and then the American people

00:12:34.980 said, No, we don't want that. And they were exposed. And that led to reform. So if and I'm just saying,

00:12:41.920 I have no idea if any intelligence agency was involved, I hope they weren't. But if they were

00:12:47.460 involved, wouldn't you want to know that? I mean, this the president could actually do such a public

00:12:52.660 service, he could say, I'm releasing this, we're getting this information out there. And now we're

00:12:57.900 calling for reform if there are intelligence agencies that are involved. But the very fact that

00:13:02.560 people are asking these questions, the very fact that you got Tucker Carlson or others saying this

00:13:07.680 about the intelligence agencies, don't you want to make sure that we know the truth? Otherwise,

00:13:12.780 these these theories are just going to take on a life of their own. And it's undermining the people's

00:13:18.220 trust in government. I completely agree that the the big conundrum that we've talked about the past

00:13:24.460 week or two on Timcast IRL is perhaps the scenario is and again, I'm not saying it because I really don't

00:13:31.600 know that when they begin to go through the documents, they realize that it potentially

00:13:37.220 implicates powerful politicians in various countries, potentially in corporations, and

00:13:43.980 the US could expose these individuals, but it could cause massive collateral damage to alliances,

00:13:48.640 peace negotiations, and generally the market. So this is one theory that Trump is basically saying,

00:13:54.780 we don't want the collateral damage. And unfortunately, that means we just can't publish this

00:13:59.480 stuff. So I ask you this, let's say and again, completely hypothetically, yeah, the release of the

00:14:05.260 information would cause collateral damage between our alliances, trade partners, other countries,

00:14:10.180 world leaders, and our corporations and stock market. Do you think we should still release all

00:14:14.380 that information?

00:14:16.640 Yes, because I think we're a very resilient country. I don't think that we are reliant just on a few

00:14:23.840 hundred or a few thousand people who may be implicated. Many of them, by the way, won't be charged.

00:14:30.040 So it's a matter of personal shame and embarrassment more than anything else. And we're still the most

00:14:37.300 consequential, indispensable nation in the world. It's not like other countries are not going to

00:14:42.600 trade with us or other things. In fact, they'll respect the honesty. But if there was something

00:14:46.840 truly serious, some aspect that the president couldn't release because he has access to information

00:14:52.320 that you or I may not, then he should just level with the American people and say that,

00:14:56.540 say exactly that. Here's what we're releasing. Here's information that we can't release because

00:15:01.960 X, Y, and Z. But I think what people don't like right now is they feel like they're in the dark

00:15:07.380 and they feel like people are being protected who did terrible things.

00:15:13.440 Do you think there really is a possibility that they were over-hyping something that wasn't there?

00:15:19.680 And then when they say there is no client list, do you think there's a possibility that

00:15:25.820 they're just telling the truth?

00:15:27.980 Look, I think there's a possibility that Jeffrey Epstein didn't sit there and write out a client

00:15:33.160 list. It'd be like documenting your own crime. But do I think that there are probably memos and

00:15:39.400 investigations that have information about people who were on his plane or gave him money or asked him

00:15:49.940 for favors or were seen in the vicinity of an island where illegal things were going on? My guess is

00:15:57.480 there's that evidence out there. And again, if it was a traditional case, you would say, if you're not

00:16:02.880 charging someone, then don't release the evidence because you don't want the government destroying

00:16:07.340 people in the press without charging. But this is no longer a traditional case. We're talking about

00:16:13.280 intelligence agencies. We're talking about the word of the attorney general. We're talking about the

00:16:17.400 president of the United States campaigning on this. And at this point, I think the president has to

00:16:21.140 say, in this matter, because of the public interest, national security, we're making it an exception.

00:16:26.920 We're putting it out there. And he can caution and the attorney general can caution that the American

00:16:31.640 people shouldn't judge just because someone's name is in some interview memo doesn't mean that they

00:16:36.520 engaged in sex with underage women. I mean, the American people are smart. I think they will be fair.

00:16:41.720 I agree. I agree. I feel like the answer to this is probably obvious. But why do you think it is

00:16:45.800 there are many prominent Trump supporters coming out now and saying, you know what? Nothing to see

00:16:49.200 here, guys. Let's just let's let it go. Look, I think they like the policies that Donald Trump is

00:16:56.940 doing. I don't agree with them, but they they may think we agree with him on his tariffs. We agree

00:17:02.440 with him on his deportations. I'm totally opposed to deportations without due process. But some people

00:17:07.440 obviously support him on that. They like the tax breaks that he's inserted. I totally disagree with

00:17:14.540 that. And they like that he won. And so they see that this is something that is splitting

00:17:20.700 some of the MAGA base. And they they they don't want him to be ineffective as a president.

00:17:27.680 But I think this goes to the core of Trump's brand and his his his persona, because what he said is,

00:17:34.360 look, the system is corrupt. He even said, I'm part of this corrupt system. You know, let me tell you,

00:17:38.640 I used to give all these politicians money myself. I used to hand it out and I want to change the

00:17:43.700 system. And him now saying, look, no, I'm not. I'm going to protect the system becomes undermining

00:17:50.520 his very rationale. And for that reason, Trump's a very smart politician. I would be shocked if he

00:17:56.720 does not rethink this and push for some of the release the more he hears. And I would if he does

00:18:02.580 that, I would I would come back and I'd give him credit. I'd say, OK, he heard he heard the people.

00:18:06.800 Now he's releasing it. They are floating the idea. I think Laura Trump said recently they're looking at

00:18:10.820 more documents. According to documents obtained by Judicial Watch, I think there are still some

00:18:15.320 Epstein files that may come out. But I suppose the question is two questions. The first is,

00:18:22.780 should your your bill, which you mentioned will clarify to make sure that's not going to target

00:18:28.440 victims or anything like that, should that actually make it to a floor vote? Do you think

00:18:32.740 you will get enough votes to have it passed? Will will will your colleagues in the Democratic Party

00:18:37.200 approve of it? And more importantly, will it ever be allowed to get out of committee and even go

00:18:41.360 near the floor? I do. There's something called the discharge petition, which means if 218 House

00:18:46.700 members sign it, it has to come to the floor. And I think there's going to be so much press

00:18:51.160 interest in this that we will get enough people to sign on to that discharge petition and get it,

00:18:57.780 get a vote. So I am quite optimistic as long as it's bipartisan, as long as it clarifies this point

00:19:04.580 very, very explicitly. I hope if after this, if you can tweet out or make that clear, because I

00:19:10.160 you raise a very important point and you have a large following. And I want to make it clear to

00:19:14.340 people that what we're going to push in the bill, it'll be explicit, is going to make protect victims

00:19:20.100 and make sure none of the child pornography or any of that gets released. I think that's fantastic.

00:19:24.840 I mean, again, that was that was the principal concern in that the initial AB and the amendment,

00:19:29.400 you had the two paragraphs that just said any evidence. And I get it. Clearly, I understand

00:19:35.780 what your intent was. We were actually saying this is a great move from you. When it comes to the vote,

00:19:39.940 I'm like, the Republicans are clearly going to say no to that. And they're going to cite

00:19:43.360 the victims. So I welcome and encourage you that this is going to be great to get this bill forward.

00:19:50.300 But I guess ultimately, you know, there's a couple of thoughts people are going to have. I see these

00:19:55.060 Trump supporters, the diehard saying, you know, Trump says, let's not. We're going to move on

00:19:59.880 from this. And I think the mentality of a lot of these guys, it's going to be something like,

00:20:04.920 why do Democrats all of a sudden care about this when they could have brought this up during the

00:20:09.380 Biden administration? Now it seems like it may just be a political tool against Trump because

00:20:13.580 it's splitting his base. Look, we could have brought it up in the first Trump administration,

00:20:18.840 right? No one brought it up when William Barr said that there's not much to say. And then it's fair

00:20:24.480 that people didn't bring it up during the Biden administration. But the stakes were raised when

00:20:29.740 the attorney general is out there saying that there's a client list on her desk when the president

00:20:34.840 of the United States is campaigning and the vice president of the United States is campaigning

00:20:38.000 explicitly on the release of these files. And then they win the election. So now there's a public

00:20:43.900 outcry and it's about trust. And everything I'm trying to do is in a bipartisan basis. Even this bill,

00:20:50.300 I'm not going to introduce unless I get Republicans, because I don't want this to be seen.

00:20:54.940 As just going after Trump, I want this to be seen as answering the outcry of the American public.

00:21:01.820 And if they look, the Democrats lost the last election, probably because we didn't listen to

00:21:07.100 people. Now we're listening to people. So you can't have it both ways. You can't say, OK, Democrats

00:21:11.200 were out of touch and now listen to people. Now we're listening to people and say, well, now you're

00:21:14.400 being political. No, we yeah. Trump won. We were listening. There's an outcry. Now we're saying

00:21:19.320 that's on a bipartisan basis. Get these files released. I love it. I think they should be

00:21:25.520 carefully done. Of course, we're going to make sure we clarify all that. But it's not something

00:21:29.960 that's in the mainstream psyche. So one of the issues that came up is Trump's immigration efforts,

00:21:36.680 the immigration raids, ICE, have been expanding. We recently had the marijuana farms in California

00:21:42.920 that were raided. There was the riot. Things are getting crazy. We've had a couple ambushes

00:21:47.800 on CBP and ICE. There was a man apparently firing a gun. Things have been getting really bad. And in this,

00:21:53.620 across the board, we have seen a slight downward trend for Trump on the issue of immigration,

00:21:58.940 which is a strongest issue. I think Gallup had him at minus 27, maybe an outlier. But in aggregate,

00:22:04.780 he's down about three points where he was in the positive for some time. This issue, I absolutely

00:22:11.020 agree. And I and I commend you for bringing it forward to get these files released. But it is very

00:22:15.460 esoteric. It's it's it's not something the average public pays attention to. And the concern then is

00:22:20.940 that if if the focus in the political sphere is on this high, like this very esoteric issue,

00:22:28.380 does it not distract the public from issues on immigration? Is it maybe something the Trump

00:22:33.520 administration wants to happen? Well, I think it goes to the broader sense in this country that

00:22:41.420 people think the rich and powerful have their thumb on the scale, that they control government.

00:22:46.020 People are having too much in their rent. They're struggling to have high paying jobs. They're

00:22:52.560 struggling to support their families. And they think the system is kind of rigged against them

00:22:56.200 and politicians aren't working on their behalf. And if you look at it in that context, as opposed to

00:23:01.780 just an obsession about Jeffrey Epstein and who was on his island, then you understand the the anger.

00:23:08.080 And I think that calling for the transparency, calling for accountability is saying,

00:23:13.180 let's give government back to the people. Now, that doesn't mean that we don't focus on health

00:23:17.920 care and the economy and and immigration. But you know what? One of the statistics that saddens me

00:23:24.460 is when one of my favorite presidents was John F. Kennedy. And when he was president and people keep

00:23:29.260 saying, oh, he's got us to go to the moon and he had these big things. The approval rating of government

00:23:34.140 was 60 percent. Now people don't trust government. It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat, Republican.

00:23:39.580 They don't trust us. And so I think this is needed to rebuild trust so we can then solve

00:23:45.180 immigration, health care, the the economy. Last question. Do you fear for your safety

00:23:51.100 pursuing the release of these these files? I don't because I think that this is fundamentally

00:23:56.780 a decent country, a fair country. I mean, obviously, look, I'm an Indian American. I grew up in Bucks

00:24:02.700 County, Pennsylvania. I was born there. And I have found this country to be open and decent and fair.

00:24:09.820 And, you know, I still believe that. Obviously, anytime you put yourself out there and you take

00:24:13.580 on powerful interests, there's some risk to it. But what's the point of being in public service if

00:24:18.380 you're not willing to take the risks? And certainly it's a it's not a risk compared to the people who

00:24:23.580 scale the cliffs of Normandy in World War Two or who fought Jim Crow or who fought for this country's

00:24:29.820 freedoms in the Cold War. So I think politicians need to show a modicum of guts. That's that's the

00:24:36.620 least thing we can do in terms of our job. Right on. I do appreciate your efforts. I think

00:24:41.340 this is this is great. And I appreciate that there's some bipartisan effort at the very least

00:24:45.260 to get to the bottom of this story that's been so massive for so long and affects us deeply and

00:24:49.260 politically. Is there anything else you wanted to add before we wrap up?

00:24:51.740 No, I appreciate your voice. And I appreciate the dialogue, because I think your tweets, your

00:24:58.060 reasonable concerns helped us tighten up the language in this bill we're going to introduce.

00:25:02.780 And, you know, that's what democracy is supposed to be to have this kind of conversation. So I always

00:25:06.620 enjoy coming on and look forward to doing it again. Right on. Where can people find you?

00:25:11.740 At Ro Khanna is the best way across almost all the platforms. Right on. I do appreciate

00:25:16.700 Representative. Thanks for joining us and explaining this. And we'll see you next time.

00:25:19.660 Tim. Sounds great, Tim. Thank you. Take care.

00:25:25.420 Well, all right. That was the Representative Ro Khanna and man, I'm for it. I'm for it. And,

00:25:34.220 you know, I'm sitting here thinking I'm thinking about it as I listen to the representative

00:25:37.260 explain that. Of course, they don't want to have victims be victimized and and all that. And I do

00:25:47.740 largely I trust the integrity. I trust Ro Khanna. We've talked about this quite a bit as it as it

00:25:53.980 comes to Democrats. He's like the only good one. There may be a couple others that are like decent.

00:25:58.940 But Ro, he's he's on the issues related to freedom and and what is right. He tends to be.

00:26:06.380 That being said, his policy on immigration, his his policies as it pertains to align with the

00:26:11.660 Democratic Party, largely, I disagree with. And, you know, we had a great conversation when he came

00:26:15.980 on Tim Castirel discussing immigration, the interests of the American people and why our

00:26:21.420 views are different. Of course, he was born in Pennsylvania. His parents are immigrants.

00:26:25.020 So he he views this country much more from that tradition, whereas I view the risk of unfettered

00:26:31.260 immigration and illegal immigration as something that's destructive to the culture of this country. 1.00

00:26:35.660 Is that being said, I'm sitting there listening to him being like, OK, when I woke up this morning

00:26:43.340 and I'm and I'm looking at these these these news stories and they're saying that Republicans are voting

00:26:47.980 to block this. I take a look at his amendment and I'm like, come on, the amendment outright says any

00:26:54.700 evidence who can vote yes on the release of that, because that's that's that's a poison pill.

00:27:01.740 That being said, he immediately clarifies we don't want that. We we we don't want that.

00:27:07.180 And I I believe my tweet stands when I said that Democrats actually voted for the release,

00:27:13.180 the publishing of of child abuse materials on the website, because, well, I respect Ro Khanna's intent. 0.97

00:27:20.380 The rest of them, I think, knew Republicans were going to vote no and they were going to be able to

00:27:25.660 vote yes, which effectively meant they wanted the DOJ to publish all the evidence. Now, he he said our

00:27:31.180 understanding legally that DOJ would still be able to protect victims and things like that.

00:27:37.740 I, you know, maybe there's some like legal thing I don't understand, but I don't see that,

00:27:41.900 especially when it says you've got to publish any evidence. But again, I clarify, I'm hearing him.

00:27:48.300 I want him to put forward a bill that says we will protect the victims. We will not compromise

00:27:54.780 any investigations. We will release the evidence on what Epstein was doing. And I think there's no

00:27:59.740 reason to say no, because we can go through everything that that we just laid out. But I'll

00:28:04.140 give the bullet points quite simply. If there are people who associated with Epstein but didn't do

00:28:09.260 anything wrong. So who cares? You're not going to be implicated in a crime. You're not going to be

00:28:15.580 accused of wrongdoing. It may be bad for your reputation. But so what? So so what? OK, you know,

00:28:23.180 Eric Weinstein was talking about this, saying that, you know, people have have said things about him

00:28:29.420 because Epstein was involved in the it was in the Harvard math program for some reason. He doesn't know

00:28:34.460 why. There are individuals who say that Epstein was giving grants to their family members and people

00:28:39.180 they knew. And people have accused them of wrongdoing. But they're like he was just some

00:28:42.780 guy who put money places. I will not play this game that simply because someone flew on his plane,

00:28:48.780 they committed a crime. RFK Jr., Trump, they flew on his plane. And I don't think either of them did

00:28:53.820 anything untoward. Well, I should say I don't think any of them are involved in what we believe Epstein was

00:29:00.220 involved in. That being said, we want to know what he was doing with this blackmail and where

00:29:05.900 it went. It could be as simple as the files come out and they're like Epstein did blackmail a handful,

00:29:11.180 a handful of people. Those people being blackmailed were victims of a blackmail scheme in operation.

00:29:17.900 We are and you know, we're going to hold their names because we're going to be investigating the

00:29:22.380 crimes they committed. One of the challenges is I think there's a couple of possibilities here.

00:29:27.500 I think there's a possibility that some so the the theory as to what Epstein was doing

00:29:34.860 was that he would say, hey, powerful, prominent, wealthy guy, come on my jet. We're going to go fly

00:29:42.020 across the country and do some fun things. Maybe not necessarily go to the island. They'd be on the

00:29:47.340 plane and there'd be like young models. And he'd be like, yes, these young ladies are models with 0.99

00:29:52.800 insert agency or whatever. And they're accompanying us and they can give you massages or do whatever.

00:29:57.840 Don't worry. They're all 18. And then when the prominent individual would engage in those behaviors,

00:30:03.600 they'd like, you know, hook up with the girls. He'd then spin around in the chair and be like,

00:30:07.120 they're underage and we film the whole thing. And now I own you. And so the Trump administration is

00:30:11.760 basically saying, how do you deal with something like that, where you've got people who did engage in

00:30:19.760 in activities with underage girls who should be punished? And then he's arguing, do we want the

00:30:25.040 black male to have worked? I think what actually is happening is Trump is saying these people,

00:30:30.480 he's going to protect these people because they're and again, I'm saying this is in his mind,

00:30:35.360 there's a possibility that he's saying, well, it's not like they were actually going out and buying

00:30:40.000 young girls. I ultimately don't care. I really don't. OK, if you're an adult man and you want to play

00:30:48.080 stupid games, you win stupid prizes. And there should be no excuse for someone who's being 1.00

00:30:52.560 wealthy and powerful to have engaged those young girls, even if tricked, to walk away scot-free

00:30:59.040 without any kind of scrutiny for the things that they were doing, which were wrong. I'm not saying

00:31:02.800 lock the guy up in prison for the rest of his life, but we get to know about it and there should

00:31:05.680 be charges. There's a challenge here in that we don't know. That's all hypothetical. I have no idea

00:31:12.720 that's actually what happened. For all we know, Trump actually knows they were trafficking and laughing

00:31:16.720 and cheering, you know, smashing wine glasses and bragging about the girls they were abusing.

00:31:22.000 And and Trump's like, we're going to cover it up because we want to use the blackmail.

00:31:26.160 There's the possibility Trump is even involved named in the list like like Elon Musk said.

00:31:30.880 I don't know if I believe it because I think the Democratic establishment would have used that

00:31:34.240 against them unless they're so scared of compromising their own apparatus. They're

00:31:39.920 going to let Trump get away with it. I doubt it. They tried putting Trump in prison

00:31:43.680 in on a bunch of different cases. So, man, I really don't know. So it's hard to speculate.

00:31:49.280 It is. And everyone's going to equivocate. All I can say is this. Who disagrees with Ro Khanna?

00:31:54.640 Like, I think he laid it out perfectly right there. OK, you guys comment. Let me know if you agree or

00:31:58.720 disagree. He said we're not. We're going to make sure victims are protected. Information is going to be

00:32:03.680 released. OK, this is so important for public disclosure, in my opinion, that even if some people

00:32:09.920 are negatively impacted by the association, cry more. If you're somebody who is being blackmailed,

00:32:15.760 well, too effing bad. You were like you were engaging in adult activities with minors.

00:32:21.120 So you're not getting away with it. And I'm clarifying, too. I'm not saying that there are

00:32:25.440 individuals who are like hooking up with under like with with pre-bubescent kids.

00:32:29.520 Like, should that be the case? And there may be evidence that is the case. Those people should

00:32:34.000 have the full force of the law levied against them. And there's no reason in any way that anyone

00:32:39.200 should try and cover up for those people. In the event there's somebody that hooked up with a 17

00:32:43.120 year old and they thought they were lied to and tricked. Yeah, well, I got bad news for you.

00:32:48.400 That's coming out, too. I know that there's a lot of guys out there that talk about that. There was

00:32:53.400 one case where a 19 I think it was I think it was a 19 year old. No, no, I think it was I think it was

00:32:58.720 like, yeah, I think it was like a 19 year old hooked up with a 16 year old and the 16 year old had a fake

00:33:02.960 ID and he got arrested and charged for statutory rape. And everyone saw it as a travesty and an

00:33:08.960 injustice. Yeah, in that capacity, it's still a 19 year old, 16 year old. That's why some states have

00:33:13.440 what they call Romeo and Juliet laws that even if the person's a minor like 16, if they're within a

00:33:18.100 certain age of of the person who's of the age of majority, we get a 19 and 16 year old. They're both

00:33:23.060 in high school or I'm sorry, like they may have met in high school or whatever. There's only a three

00:33:26.640 year age difference. What if you've got someone who's 40 who's trying to hook with an 18 year old and it

00:33:30.720 turns out to be a 17 year old? Like, I'm sorry, dude. We're like that should be that should be

00:33:35.460 exposed. And it's not because I'm saying like what I'm saying is what you did was wrong. You're going

00:33:41.880 to face the penalties for doing it the same as some of the more extreme and serious crimes, but it's a

00:33:46.400 crime and you will face those penalties for it and nobody should be defending it. And you don't get to

00:33:50.780 walk away scot-free just because you're like, oh, no, I didn't know. I didn't know. I'm like, sorry.

00:33:54.880 Don't be an adult man of, you know, I don't know. People can argue if like 21, 23 is too high or

00:34:01.780 whatever. I don't know. I'm just saying when you're an adult man, you have responsibilities.

00:34:05.980 You should not be getting on planes and being like, hoo, hoo, hot 18 year olds, like because this is a 1.00

00:34:11.820 possibility. You know, it's going to happen. I understand the argument. They're like, we don't

00:34:15.960 want Epstein to have been effective in his blackmail and have it work. There was one story a while ago

00:34:22.060 about a guy who worked for, I think it was Condé Nast, and he was set up by a blackmailer who was

00:34:28.720 trying to hook up with him and they wanted to expose him as being gay. And they used the blackmail. 0.54

00:34:33.480 And when he refused to pay up, they gave the blackmail to, I think it was like Gawker who then

00:34:39.300 published it, outing the guy, effectively legitimizing the blackmailer. And a lot of people

00:34:45.340 were mad about it. So let me just put it this way. It is the fault of the establishment machine

00:34:51.700 it is the fault of the Trump administration right now that we do not have a good answer

00:34:58.740 on the Epstein case. And it's got to this point. I said it before. I'll say it again.

00:35:02.580 If Bongino Cash or whoever else just came out very quietly, very simply and said,

00:35:06.760 we're working on it. This is a tough one. It's a tough egg to crack. We, we, we, we got to keep

00:35:13.540 this one close to the vest, close to the chest, but trust us on this one. If that's all they said,

00:35:17.860 there'd be, we wouldn't even be here right now. Instead, what did they do? They came out and they

00:35:24.300 said, uh, nothing to see here, boys. They gave us phase one. Phase one was nothing. Then they said,

00:35:29.840 there's no phase two. I want accountability and justice. And I don't want to be a party to a system

00:35:34.400 that has powerful, wealthy, corporate, and political pedos that are getting away with it.

00:35:39.160 And I think anybody who knows the story is going to agree. I do think there's a possibility

00:35:44.020 that Trump knows this is a high, high level esoteric story and even bad press on the issue

00:35:50.800 isn't apocalyptic for his agenda. So I guess we'll have to see, but, uh, I will just add very

00:35:56.480 quickly. The representative had a, had time constraints because of votes in Congress. So

00:36:00.200 we, we did the interview first and I was very excited to get him on. And, uh, I will say, um,

00:36:05.020 I don't necessarily want to apologize, but I want to have a little bit of, um,

00:36:10.840 acknowledgement that my morning segment was presumptive and heavy against what he had

00:36:18.560 proposed because I knew like my assumption was they knew they didn't have to frame it that way.

00:36:24.360 And they created a poison pill, but I appreciate his acknowledgement. That wasn't, that wasn't their

00:36:28.780 intent. Perhaps I should have given him a little bit more of the benefit of the doubt, though. We did

00:36:32.240 praise him last night this morning. I saw the amendment. I'm like, you can't vote for that.

00:36:36.380 What are you trying to do here? So if they actually bring forth a, a bipartisan bill that clearly

00:36:42.840 outlines the methods by which they can expose the information and which the information is like

00:36:47.700 who Epstein worked for, who he was providing services to, who could be implicated or not,

00:36:52.980 or whatever, just in his periphery, then I agree. And I say, let's roll baby. So, uh, we'll wrap up

00:36:58.300 that portion of the show. We've got a lot more to talk about, but we'll wrap it up there for now.

00:37:02.240 We do have more, but we'll wrap it up. So smash the like button, share the show with everyone,

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - July 15, 2025

Democrat VOWS SECOND Bill To Force Trump To Release Epstein Files ft. Rep. Ro Khanna

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