Democrats Elect Man Who Wants To Kill Conservatives, Time For An Exorcism w⧸ Father Chad Ripperger & Seamus Coughlin
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In this episode of the Culture War podcast, we discuss the craziness that is the modern culture war, and how demonic possession may be the root cause of it. We are joined by Father Chad Ripperger of the Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother and Seamus Coughlin, an expert in demonic possession.
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This past week, a guy won an election in Virginia, a guy who a few years ago expressed his desire
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to see his political rival's wife holding their dying children who had just been shot.
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He wanted their children to be murdered so that it would change their views on policy.
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He also expressed that were he in a room with this man and he had two bullets, he'd shoot
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Now, we've had this conversation on various Tim Kess shows about what is making people
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There's a story I read recently, I think it was on Reddit, and it was a guy saying that
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He's not very political, but he knows that she's kind of a liberal.
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And she asked him about transgender ideology, to which he calmly explained his views, saying
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he didn't really care all that much, but here's what he thought.
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And he said she had an emotional breakdown, furious and angry that he would not agree
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that men can be women and that trans women are women.
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And he was just trying to explain, well, I mean, a male getting surgery is a male who got
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You can call him whatever you want, but she was not having it.
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We've heard it over and over again about people who are seemingly possessed.
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Something is making them say, I don't care what's true.
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And they use violence and emotional manipulation.
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And you take a look at the political right, or whatever you want to call it, and it's people
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So we've got an interesting show for the culture war today.
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And I think it's a really great example that Seamus Coughlin is here because he and I,
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15, 20 years ago, would have been the complete polar opposites politically.
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It would have been, he's the Republican, I'm the Democrat, and we'd be going like, oh, now
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we're like best friends and we go skipping together and we share spoons.
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We would, listen, we would still be best buds even if, even if things were polarized.
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Back then, even if we were politically in disagreement, we'd be hanging out, we'd get tacos and burritos
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And so we've brought on an expert in, let's just jump straight to it.
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I'm the superior of the Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother, which is a group of priests
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that does, as their work, it's exclusively exorcism.
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Firstly, Father Ripperger, I'm a huge fan of your work.
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And I learned a lot about the faith through your lectures on census fidelium.
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Those are massively important and instrumental for me in my development.
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And a lot of the things that I've said on this show that people have been like, wow,
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Well, the beauty of that is people actually say, you know, Father, you're a genius.
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So a few months ago, I was hanging out with Jack Posobiec.
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And I can't remember what sparked the conversation, but it was something having to do with crime
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And the story of the resurrection doesn't move me.
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I don't mean to be disrespectful anyway, but it doesn't.
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And obviously, I'm not saying I literally saw a demon emerge from the shadows and enter
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But I have seen people change their personalities seemingly overnight, begin acting in ways that
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And they act in ways that seem to defy human success.
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There are things that I've seen throughout my life traveling the world that I describe
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When people ask me if I'm scared when I go to...
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You know, I'm in Turkey and there's riots happening.
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And I'm like, a little bit because you might catch a stray rubber bullet or a tear gas
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So when you see a person who's engaged in a riot or violent or otherwise, no matter what
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language they're speaking, humans generally behave in certain ways.
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However, as of the past several years, probably increasingly with increasing frequency over
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the past seven or eight years, there seem to be people that I've encountered that they're
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acting in ways that defy their own human success.
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They are destructive to their own lives, to their families, to their friends.
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And I started to question this thinking, a human being who is trying to enrich themselves
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through greed or is trying to satisfy their lust or their gluttony, you can sort of predict
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But now I'm encountering people that it's almost like they don't care about their lives,
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So I started to feel like something has taken them over.
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I mean, as an exorcist, we don't weigh in on whether a particular individual is possessed
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until we actually have a chance to pray over them, because it's the prayer that's
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going to cause the person to, or the demon to actually to react if the demon is actually
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The other part of it is, too, is that one of the things that we talk about pretty extensively
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is that when demons attack people, one of the things they try to do is build a psychological
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So in other words, what they want to do is get it to the point where the person, the human
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being's thinking patterns are the same as theirs.
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It doesn't necessarily mean that people have to be possessed, because demons can do this.
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There's different levels of diabolic influence and different kinds.
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But you can get to the point where the person is so under the influence of their following
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their emotions and rather than reason and following their feelings and things of that
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And then the demons can play on that and operate on the individual to such a degree where
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they develop a psychological compatibility and then become very destructive.
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There's also diabolic obsession, which where the demon just, especially if somebody's done
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something that's particularly disordered or sinful, we would say, but disordered in such
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a way, then the demon, that's the domain of the demonic.
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And so then the person's opened up the door, the demon steps in, and then he starts driving
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That's what you'll see when people switch overnight.
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Like all of a sudden, a person seems pretty normal.
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And then the next thing you know, you know, he looked at a piece of pornography that was
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cursed, which we'd come across from time to time.
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And then all of a sudden, the demon's got his foot in the door, and now he's driving
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And so that's what you're actually very often seeing.
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Real quick, just sort of to kick this off, I made a point the last time we were talking
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about exorcisms, and you mentioned praying over an individual.
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And so I know this is not necessarily in alignment with how you would exercise or handle this.
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But the scenario I propose is, what do you think would happen if there was a group of,
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say, leftist protesters outside of like an abortion clinic, and you walked up to them
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Depending on the degree of diabolic influence, everything from ignoring you to all the way
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viciously attacking you, even though they don't even know what you're praying.
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And what do you think would happen if you walked up to a Christian conservative and began
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He would just stand there looking at you, or maybe even thank you.
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And it's funny, because when I bring this up to people, even people who are not religious
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would be like, oh, the conservative would say, thank you, Father.
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And I'm not suggesting that implies or proves demonic possession.
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I just think it's kind of funny that if you attempted to pray over someone in some kind
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of exorcism, and they were of the left, they'd lose it.
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Whereas I think your average, honestly, not even your staunch Christian conservative, if
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there was like a regular working class guy of a frail Christian background, he'd be like,
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Well, in point, in fact, I think sometimes you don't have to pray.
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And so if they're influencing somebody to a high degree, the person doesn't even know
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But he was explaining that—how would you describe items of religious importance?
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That if you brought them near people who are possessed, even if they can't see them,
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It is kind of funny, though, because let's just even step back from the idea of you trying
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If you walked up wearing the clothing that you're wearing now, they would react instantly
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Actually, there was a time when—this was a number of years ago, but there was a point
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Yeah, I went into Walmart, and I was in civil clothing.
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And this kid walks by me who, you know, having been an exorcist, there's some kinds of possession
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You know, you just have to pray over them first, because sometimes the demons hide.
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But this kid just walked by me, and he turns around, and he instantaneously—the demons
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So they can actually tell just even who a priest is.
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Just like you're walking past him, and he turns, and he had like a reaction?
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Yeah, he turns, and then he just said—I can't even remember what he said, but he said something
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Can you explain to people what an exorcism is, what you've experienced, what is going
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Yeah, if I may, I'd like to just make one observation, which is that everything I'm
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about to tell you is stuff that's based upon the 2,000 years of authors having written
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on the topic, and then not just my experience, but a number of different exorcists' experience.
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So I'm just telling you, this is what I'm seeing in the field.
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So because people can disagree, I understand that, but I just want people to know that
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anything that would be my own theory, I'll say, hey, this is my theory, just so that—because
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that'll kind of clear up a lot of—because people just say, oh, that's just, you know,
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his theory, but I'm just basing that on those two things.
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So basically what an exorcism is, is it's a ritual, it's a series of prayers that you
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actually say in relationship to someone who is diabolically possessed, because you can't
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actually, the Church doesn't let you proceed to actually doing the solemn rite of exorcism
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over somebody until you have certitude, which we can talk about what those signs are, but
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that you have moral certitude that the person is actually possessed.
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And then once you do, then you say this, and then you pray it over it in order to drive
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the actual demon out of the person that's possessed.
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They can also possess not just people, they can also possess things and animals and things
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of that sort, which we see in Scripture, so—but that's less common than you actually see
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in relationship to—although the stuff in relationship to location is becoming more and
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more of a problem, because people are doing so much evil in the world today.
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Well, this is part of what I just wanted to flag for the audience, too, because this might
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have slipped past some people, but the way the media portrays this is Catholics are a
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bunch of superstitious rubes, and any time something seems off, they jump to, it's demons,
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but the reality is if you want to get an exorcism, there is a lengthy investigative
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process to ensure that you actually don't just have some mental illness, or you're
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not making it up, or whatever else it might be.
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Yeah, in fact, we have to go through a process.
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Sometimes you'll walk into the office and you're talking to somebody who thinks that
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there's some type of diabolic problem, they'll manifest right off the bat, okay?
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But that doesn't mean that we still don't have to go through a process of making sure
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that there's all the natural possible explanations for this aren't excluded.
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So one type of diabolic influence is diabolic obsession, where they obsess the person, right?
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And so you can get people who come in and just say, you know, I've just been depressed,
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and this and that, and you'll just say, have you had any blood work done?
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Because a lot of times, if you have a problem with your thyroid, it can actually cause a form
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of depression, and so you have to have, people have to do that.
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There is a process that people actually have to go through before they ever see me, ultimately,
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because I have a series of layers where people have to talk to a lay team that does the initial
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So by the time they get to me, there's a pretty good indicator that, okay, there's been
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what we call a preternatural sign has occurred, and so we know the person's actually possessed.
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So when you say manifest, you've mentioned this a couple different times.
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Well, manifest comes from the Latin word manifestar, which basically means to show yourself.
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So the demon does something that indicates in a clear way that you're not dealing with
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So the first is that the person speaks a language that they've never studied.
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So one case I actually had, which actually ended up in the movie Nefarious, which is kind
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of ironic, but one of the cases I had is this guy who had never finished,
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high school, started speaking a form of Phoenician that had been defunct for 3,500 years.
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So, you know, or I've actually had a case where the person had never studied Latin,
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but the demon would speak to me in Latin and was perfectly conversant.
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So this is an indicator like, okay, this is not natural, that someone who's never studied
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a language doesn't know anything about a language all of a sudden is perfectly fluent
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The other one is what we call occult knowledge.
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They'll say things like, hey, I know what you did this morning.
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And then they'll just start describing in detail, even though that was the first time
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And so that's an indicator because demons are able to watch us and that type of thing.
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Another form of that occult knowledge is they'll have knowledge that's beyond their capacity.
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So as a human being, they've never studied a particular subject, and then all of a sudden
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they're telling you stuff that you're like, well, wait a minute, how would you know that?
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So I've had that a few times where in one of the cases I'm working on right now, the woman
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actually, the demon actually started telling me theological distinctions that are known only
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by guys who have studied that particular area for years, you know, and she has no theological
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And then the last one is those things that are beyond human capacity, just a general
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So like levitation, changing shape, which is what you see a lot of times, morphing, which
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is about 80% of what you're going to see, or 90%.
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Yeah, because the demon is going to show, and St. Thomas actually mentions this in his
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commentary in Peter Lombard's sentences, that the way when demons manifest, what you're
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seeing is the showing of some aspects of the characteristics of their personality.
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And so over the course of time, and you've dealt with the same demon several times, as
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soon as you manifest, a lot of times it's like recognizing Tim, you know, you know, say,
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I mean, I wouldn't be that informal with the demons, but that's...
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Like morphing as in the person physically changes in a visible way.
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The person physically changes shape, and they do it by varying degrees.
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So sometimes they can actually just change complexion color, like instantaneously, all
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of a sudden they'll turn this, it's called cherry wood red.
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So they'll turn this specific color instantaneously, which human beings are not capable of causing,
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So in some cases where I've had women who are possessed, they'll actually, the demons,
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when they go full-blown manifestation, they'll morph into what looks like a man.
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So, because the demons actually portray themselves as male than female, except when they're trying
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But other than that, they appear as male because of the fact of the nature of angelic nature.
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The first thing I'm thinking is, where's the video evidence of morphing or levitation?
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But we'll put a pin in that, because people speaking different languages they should not
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I woke up from a coma speaking French, and I don't know why.
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I simply did a quick Google search of this, so that when you hear something like, a person
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all of a sudden begins speaking a language they should not know, it's just well-documented
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So, and that's really what we're trying to get to in relationship to when we're trying
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to assess whether someone actually is diabolically possessed or not.
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So, something like, okay, so you've been hit over the head.
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That doesn't mean, though, there's a principle called the principle of sufficient reason,
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which basically states that the, I'll give you the long version and then give you the
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It states the existence of a thing is accountable either in itself or in another.
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The short version is that you can't give what you don't have.
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The individual who wakes up speaking French has had to have heard it to some degree for
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an extended period of time in order to be able to, once there's some type of brain injury,
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That's distinct from somebody who doesn't go through anything like that, and then all
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of a sudden, boom, they start able to speak languages.
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It's also a little bit different, too, is because demons, their knowledge is infused,
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And so you can, one of the things that we'll often do is to test people is we'll, to see
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if they're possessed is we'll try different languages on them just to see if they actually
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So, and if they, if they respond in that language, then, okay, then we know that they, that this
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is possession as opposed to, you know, someone such as this.
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So it gets back to the nature of the causation.
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And that's one of the reasons why, as Shermer said, it takes a while for us to do a full vetting
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process to make sure that there isn't something natural like this that actually occurs.
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But some of the other things, though, are obviously beyond, like, levitation, which you don't
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see too often, but the morphing, the changing...
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The head injuries won't make you levitate, might make you feel like you're levitating,
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And when you talk about, because, okay, well, let me just make this observation.
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People have this idea that, you know, every single day what I'm seeing is what you see
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in Hollywood, like on the movie The Exorcist and things like that.
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But it doesn't happen only in about 7% of the cases.
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Oh, yeah, changing, like I said, that's, that's just all part of the morphing thing.
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I mean, the head spinning, I haven't seen that.
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But I have seen people's facial structure change.
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My nickname for him was Charlie Brown, because anytime this demon would manifest, he had a
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It's all the people in the room, because we have several people that assist us during the process.
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So is this the demons messing with your sense of vision when you're in front of something
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Is it...do you think the face actually changes shape to some degree?
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If you're talking about something that is beyond the natural physical laws, then one of three
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It's either happening where the light hits, and then it's...this is what Aquinas says.
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When the light hits the person, as it's coming towards you, he changes the light as it's passing
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The other one is they can change it in the actual sense faculty.
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Or...and they can also change it in your imagination, because they can affect your imagination.
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Now, the imagination thing, I think, is really most predominant, because what you'll see is
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sometimes one person will see something and another person doesn't, or one person will
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And then that's an indicator that is probably more on the imaginative side than it is actually
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So there are different ways in which they can actually cause that.
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But to get back to this so that, you know, you can't give what you don't have, that's what
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we're actually looking for is, is there an indicator that this person is...is there something
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in them that is beyond human nature that we call that praeternatural?
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Not supernatural, because that pertains to God, but praeternatural.
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The other thing is, too, is...and those are the primary signs, then we have what we call
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secondary signs, and those are the psychological patterns that you'll see with People Possess,
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which you were talking about, Tim, before, where it's, you know, the animus delendi, where
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every single thing they do maximizes damage to within the capacity to do so.
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Yeah, there was a particular politician, I won't name who it was, but at one point I'm
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like, you know, this guy's got to be under diabolic influence, because he was a master
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at every single thing he did maximized the damage that he could do to our country within
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And you see this from time to time with people, they just...they're just...they're just destructive
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everywhere they get...and then the militias, right, the malice that you see, the consistent
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Do you think that as atheism rises, is that...or that people sort of recede from Christianity,
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demons are able to influence more in this country?
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In a certain degree, but what you really...what it really boils down to is, is that the domain
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of the diabolic is what's sinful, or what we would say that is contrary to the natural
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law, or contrary to the way God designed us, which is what you were describing before.
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You know, human beings are designed to function a certain way.
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When people act contrary to that, through their sinfulness and that type of thing, that
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actually empowers the demons and opens it, and it becomes their...because that's their
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And so anytime we do that, it empowers them or opens up the door for their influence in
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So the fact that in the culture we see it just getting worse and worse and worse, and
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people behaving in ways that are more and more unnatural or irrational, even, is an
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indicator that the sin is slowly overtaking it.
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And how much diabolic influence is in a particular person's life is ultimately up to God to determine,
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but that's...because even though we can open up the door, it's up to God to determine whether
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they can...the demons can step across the threshold or not.
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How does...how does someone come to be possessed?
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A lot of times actually are...so there's three...there's three possibilities for...that open up the
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The first is where they do something seriously disordered, like getting involved in the occult or killing
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And by the way, not everybody who does those things necessarily becomes possessed, but that
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would be the...so they have to do something that's pretty gravely disordered.
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The second is, is some serious grave disorder has to be committed against you.
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So this is one of the things that we see, that a large number of the women that come to
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us, about 50% of the women come to us, have either been raped, molested, or severely psychologically
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And so that disorder is, again, the domain of the demonic.
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And some people say, well, that's just not very fair.
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On the other hand, those people, as they work their way out of the possession, become some
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of the best and most virtuous people I've ever met, you know, through that process.
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So it does actually...God does permit it for a function for them.
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And then the last is purely by the will of God.
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For example, there was a nun who was possessed in Iowa in the 1930s.
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And at a certain point during the exorcisms, you get the demon to tell you, how did you
00:25:43.300
Now, part of the reason you want to know that is because how they got in is a lot of
00:25:46.360
times it tells you how you're going to get them back out.
00:25:48.820
But in this particular case, he said, what sin did she commit?
00:25:54.700
He said, there's a sin in the region, and God wants reparation for it.
00:25:58.220
So the bishop set up where the Catholics just started doing a lot of prayers to make
00:26:03.620
reparation or restitution to God for this sin that was in the region.
00:26:11.100
So what is the most common reason you hear for why the demon entered during this process?
00:26:16.060
Um, the most, well, I think a lot of it has to do with the most common thing has to do
00:26:22.940
with the fact that women have been raped or molested in some fashion.
00:26:27.600
And that, and part of that has to do with the fact that people will say, well, you know,
00:26:31.500
it sounds to me like most of your cases are women.
00:26:35.340
One is, is that women have, guys will power through it more and just deal with it.
00:26:50.760
He's levitating and being like, eh, it'll work itself out.
00:26:55.960
The other side of it is too, is that women will actually stop and ask for directions.
00:27:01.800
Like, you know, I got to ask somebody for help because I don't know what to do.
00:27:04.640
I don't know what, so that's why we tend to see a lot, a lot of women.
00:27:07.040
But we, uh, at least for me, I tend to see a lot of that.
00:27:12.800
So they'll see, they'll see like, no, most of it's, I see like one exorcist, I know he
00:27:16.740
said, most of the guys that I deal with are men who are, uh, because they got involved
00:27:21.460
with pornography or they got involved in certain kinds of things against, um, you know, the
00:27:28.780
And that's part of why I want to ask, because just for people in the audience to know the
00:27:32.920
power of some of the things they might be messing around with.
00:27:35.840
I've also heard it said by exorcisms that pornography is a gateway.
00:27:40.160
Which makes sense, it's the devil's iconography.
00:27:42.600
It defaces the human form in a very particularly hideous way and it ensnares people.
00:27:48.340
And so it makes sense to me that that would be something that a person could become possessed
00:27:52.960
Again, it's not to say that everyone who uses it just goes off and becomes possessed.
00:27:57.600
For most people, the problem is like, it causes psychological and eventually physical problems
00:28:05.040
But there are some number of people that goes further than that.
00:28:08.780
Yeah, and in a relationship to pornography, for example, part of it is, as I mentioned,
00:28:13.040
the Satanists actually taught the people producing the pornography that if you curse the master
00:28:18.360
copy for which all the other copies are made, it will propagate down to the other copies and
00:28:24.980
it will boost the addictive effect of the pornography.
00:28:30.320
The other part of it, the other reason that it has the pornography is just because of the
00:28:39.060
But I think that in relationship to the, it's not always that people actually have done something
00:28:46.940
Although once the demon gets in, then he starts driving the really bad behavior.
00:28:51.800
And so that's, that's one of the reasons why I think this is partly my, this is a theory,
00:28:55.840
this is one of my theories, is why you'll have women who actually, once they've had an
00:29:00.180
abortion, all of a sudden, that's when you see the real license in relationship to sexual
00:29:08.720
Because all of a sudden there's a, there's a more of a diabolic, I'm not suggesting they're
00:29:12.280
possessed, but there's a more of a diabolic influence.
00:29:15.280
When you, when you said, uh, with this, the story of this nun who was possessed, uh, God
00:29:22.160
So that is just simply put, God will send a demon to possess somebody?
00:29:27.780
Or he'll allow, basically, like he'll withhold the graces protecting you from possession.
00:29:32.980
So it's not as if God, because ultimately he's in charge and like the only reason demons
00:29:37.880
haven't torn all of us to shreds is because he's preventing them in all moments from doing
00:29:42.360
Because they hate us and they'll take any chance to destroy us.
00:29:49.320
Because we're made in the image and likeness of God.
00:29:53.380
They envy the good life that we have in this life.
00:29:56.900
And that's why they're constantly trying to destroy it.
00:29:59.020
This is also why you see the people on the left, if you've ever noticed this, anytime
00:30:02.580
communism or the left takes over, there's always a degradation of our quality of life.
00:30:07.940
And so this is, this is, it's, that's one of the signs that, in fact, I did a whole series
00:30:11.880
on how communist psychology is identical to diabolic psychology.
00:30:15.620
But this is, but this is, but that's actually part of the, I'm going to let you see.
00:30:20.520
The one thing that people always have to realize, though, is, is that God's not capricious in
00:30:25.240
Now, we do have a thing called conscription, where we notice that it seems like demons
00:30:29.880
are almost like drafted, like, okay, hey, you've got to go deal with this particular
00:30:34.160
And so, and he'll allow it in, and then you'll find out later that he allowed the demon or
00:30:40.580
For the person to become holier, the person to actually become more virtuous, but then
00:30:51.180
Most people have a Hollywood view, or a fictional view of heaven, hell, of God.
00:30:57.980
Angels are often depicted as, like, people flying around with wings.
00:31:02.740
Some people claim that when you die, you become an angel, and these are all not correct.
00:31:12.300
Okay, so basically what happened is, is there's, God created all of the angels all instantaneously
00:31:17.680
at once, and they're in nine, what they call, choirs, in three ranks, each have three choirs.
00:31:25.440
And so the ones at the top are the most intelligent, and it's basically in a hierarchy all the way
00:31:30.800
So what happens is, he created them all instantaneously at once.
00:31:33.160
Now, how angels understand is fundamentally different from us.
00:31:37.680
We have to have a certain amount of sensory experience with certain things in order to
00:31:43.040
So I have to, you know, if I'm going to learn mechanics, I've got to have sensory knowledge
00:31:46.340
of coming to my—to have some sensory knowledge of it.
00:31:50.480
All their knowledge is infused by God as things happen.
00:31:54.080
So when they were first created, God infused in them who they are, who He was, what their
00:31:59.000
assigned task was, which is what their nature is, because every angel has a different—and
00:32:04.720
when you deal with demons, their personalities are drastically different, and that's one of the
00:32:10.640
But—and then also that if they accept that assigned task, they get to go to heaven.
00:32:17.180
If they don't, then they're going to end up in hell, et cetera.
00:32:19.360
So that was all—so when they were first—it's called the three instances—they were immediately
00:32:23.500
created in a state of knowing, because they're—like I said, they don't have to sit about thinking
00:32:30.700
And that's actually one of the ways that you can actually tell if someone's possessed.
00:32:33.420
You ask them a very complicated theological question or philosophical question.
00:32:37.620
If the person has to think about it, you know they're not possessed.
00:32:41.780
Whereas if it's diabolic, they'll instantaneously give you the answer.
00:32:47.200
I mean, there's no, like, neurological process.
00:32:52.060
So they're created in this, in a state of knowing all of this.
00:32:55.560
Then the second instance is, because unlike us, the reason why God has mercy on us and
00:33:00.620
the reason why he lets us kind of bumble through life is because we're stupid, you know, whereas
00:33:07.860
They fully know everything that they're doing, and so they make a choice, and that choice
00:33:17.940
And then instantaneously after that, according to Aquinas, they were either damned or they
00:33:23.320
So, and so the demons were originally created as good angels, made a decision, they rejected
00:33:30.200
God out of pure malice, and then as a result of that, they were damned.
00:33:33.500
And so they're in hell, but now there are some of them, not all of them, some of them
00:33:37.600
are allowed by God permitting, they're allowed to come and afflict us, for our sake, ultimately.
00:33:44.140
I have a question about this, actually, because I've heard this articulated different ways,
00:33:49.440
and I also understand that when you're dealing with angels, and this is before the universe
00:33:52.820
as we understand it, it's going to be difficult to have a narrative of it that's perfectly
00:34:00.580
But why is it said that the devil, that Satan, was at the head of this rebellion when it occurred
00:34:10.960
So basically, St. Thomas says this, but this actually bears itself out, even in session,
00:34:17.000
because under duress, the demons will actually talk about the specificity of the sin that
00:34:24.780
Now, it always has something, it's always either envy or pride in some fashion, but it
00:34:28.760
always revolves around some thing that they wanted, some perfection that they wanted, which
00:34:33.300
God was, that's not your place, this is what I want you to do, right?
00:34:36.020
And so they wouldn't give that up, and so there's that.
00:34:41.200
Oh yeah, so the idea of Satan as being at the head of all of the demons, and him sort
00:34:47.320
of waging the revolution against God, or attempting to...
00:34:50.640
So what happened is, is that in their test, when they had to, hey, this is your choice
00:34:56.700
that you're going to make, what happened is, is that the other angels saw what his test
00:35:04.580
was, and then they knew that because he was above them and at the top, now he, I tend to
00:35:12.580
agree he wasn't at the very top, but he was pretty much close to the top, that they knew
00:35:16.900
that if they fell, they would be under him, and so St. Thomas says they conspired in his
00:35:22.920
So they all conspired in the same sin, even though their specific thing that they wanted
00:35:28.980
This might be too difficult of a question, maybe I'm wrong, but for those that are not
00:35:34.540
familiar with hell, the devil, or whatever, what is the actual, I don't know if you could
00:35:40.700
elevator pitch it if it's possible, why is there a hell, why is there a devil, what is
00:35:46.720
Because I think in order to, the way I feel, well first let me say this, I went to Catholic
00:35:52.200
school for the first, sixth grade, so I have a little bit, a slight understanding, but I
00:35:58.140
feel like if we're immediately talking about demons, it's kind of a, why is this happening?
00:36:06.020
Well, the origin of the conflict was that God offered them, as I mentioned, a test, just
00:36:13.280
I mean, ultimately, whether we get to heaven or hell is going to be based on the type of
00:36:18.020
But the point being is, is that in relationship to them, it's the same, they have free will,
00:36:25.300
just like we have free will, and God respects that free will.
00:36:28.800
We don't want to be around people who hate us, or don't want us.
00:36:34.520
And so those who are in heaven are those who chose to love him and do his will as a result
00:36:40.180
That's why Christ said, you know, if you love me, keep my commandments.
00:36:42.420
So if we do his will, then those are the types of people he wants around us.
00:36:47.880
On the other hand, if he doesn't want to do our will, well, then he's going to give
00:36:52.980
If you don't want to be with him, if you hate him, then he's going to separate himself
00:36:57.620
So that's, it basically has to do with the respect that he has for the will, and it
00:37:01.020
also has to do with the fact that he's perfectly just.
00:37:03.160
He's also merciful, but there's conditions for mercy.
00:37:06.480
You know, you have to be sorry for your sin, etc., whereas the demons, they're not sorry
00:37:12.400
And so God gives the, he's just in relationship to them.
00:37:16.480
And so because they have such a high degree of intelligence, it's not as if they can sit
00:37:22.660
and reflect on their actions the way we can and come to greater clarity about it.
00:37:25.680
They're just constantly in a position of being totally dug in, so they can't repent.
00:37:30.820
Because people will ask that sometimes, why can't the demons repent, or why can't they
00:37:35.040
It's just by the very nature of how they exist, their decisions are completely 100% fixed.
00:37:40.720
They're not going to come to a different conclusion about it later on.
00:37:45.140
Yeah, like we can't, we will come to different conclusions about past behavior the more we
00:37:50.080
Yeah, and in fact, even in sessions, during sessions, I've actually, the demons will
00:37:55.380
Because you'll actually say, okay, let me get this straight.
00:37:57.220
I mean, I put it colloquially, but there's a very formal process by which this comes out
00:38:01.600
So you were created to see God, to have the beatific vision, to actually perform this noble
00:38:05.480
function, to have these perfections, and to have this delight, etc., and you committed
00:38:15.200
And even when you talk to them about all the pain and agony they're in, yeah, they would
00:38:18.960
still choose that sin, because their will is completely fixed.
00:38:21.760
Is there a logic to why they choose to do these things?
00:38:24.200
Well, there is in the sense that they did get a fleeting delight out of following their
00:38:31.280
own will, but then immediately, that's only at the moment of their choice, and then after
00:38:41.400
At one point, I said to one demon, I said, well, because he was, I was talking to him
00:38:45.520
about his choice, and I'm like, that's not even rational.
00:38:49.940
But that gets to your point, Tim, before, which is, that's why we're seeing, and that's
00:38:57.160
why we have a phrase that, you know, evil militates to absurdity.
00:39:01.320
That's why what we're seeing, and absurdity is that which is contrary to reason.
00:39:04.640
That's why we're seeing so much mental illness and so much stuff that just seems so foreign
00:39:09.300
to us as normal human beings going on right now.
00:39:11.900
Like the transgender issue, and there being a hundred different genders that exist, it's
00:39:16.840
And that I agree with, but I would say, as to the earlier part of the show where I said
00:39:21.620
people seem to be acting outside of the parameters of what is, even an evil person who is, choose
00:39:29.800
your seven deadly sins, they seem to be defying even those motivations, right?
00:39:35.500
Like I was saying, someone who is greedy, they are trying to acquire something.
00:39:39.580
The reason they go after somebody is to take from them, it's a combination of greed or envy.
00:39:43.560
Yeah, there's some good they're trying to achieve.
00:39:44.980
They may not be morally good, but they're still trying to achieve money, which is a good
00:39:55.400
They have this desire and they seek to satisfy it through whatever.
00:39:59.080
I feel like, especially over the past several years, and even in my personal life, I have
00:40:04.500
seen people take actions that would only destroy them.
00:40:07.900
It's not satisfying their envy, it's not satisfying their wrath, it's literally just gleeful
00:40:15.820
So basically, as Father mentioned, when people make decisions, they're trying to seek the
00:40:21.020
good to some capacity, but they'll see it in a disordered way.
00:40:25.380
And so they go after something that to them seems good, but obviously isn't.
00:40:28.740
So when it comes to lust, for example, you have a disordered understanding of sexuality.
00:40:33.520
Sex is good and it's part of God's plan for the human family and marriage.
00:40:37.180
But when you put the pleasure in a disordered position where you're now disregarding the
00:40:43.240
procreative function by intentionally interrupting it, or you're committing adultery or fornicating,
00:40:47.880
even though, as you mentioned, there's a pleasure in it, you're still acting counter to logic because
00:40:52.800
that doesn't follow the reason why God created sex and you're defying the logic.
00:40:58.840
It doesn't seem as destructive as when somebody goes and has a sex change operation and cuts
00:41:03.500
their penis off, but they're actually doing a small version of that.
00:41:07.520
You don't think of it that way, but they're doing a small version of that.
00:41:09.940
And there's just kind of a poetic justice and irony to the fact that we have this sexual
00:41:15.180
revolution where we said, I'm going to do whatever I want with my body to maximize my
00:41:19.820
And then people started cutting their sex organs off.
00:41:22.220
There does come a point, though, where the people, they're so entrenched in the evil or
00:41:28.460
that the demons have influenced them to such a degree to where it's exactly that.
00:41:33.600
We can't even see any rational good that they're trying to achieve in this process.
00:41:40.660
As I was saying, I've been to places all over the country, and typically the way a person
00:41:46.880
reacts, whether it's positive or negative, falls within this predictable parameter.
00:41:53.380
Serial killer, they're just doing crazy things.
00:41:55.580
But then you start to come across people in recent history that are doing things that
00:42:08.080
I'll go to them and I'll say, what about this is beneficial?
00:42:16.020
And it feels like something is inhibiting their ability to think.
00:42:21.020
Now, I'm sure there's going to be people with tons of rational scientific explanations on
00:42:32.940
The things people are doing go beyond, I'll put it this way, with cults.
00:42:38.840
And I typically refer to a lot of these people as being in a cult or a non-theistic religion,
00:42:52.180
They tell you that they love you and don't trust other people.
00:42:56.440
Then they make you feel some kind of emotional pain if you were to defy that.
00:43:00.080
There is a logic in why a human adheres to that because it feels good.
00:43:04.860
But now we're starting to see people that don't even feel good being a part of these
00:43:09.460
They are in a constant state of disarray, pain, and disorder, and they destroy things around
00:43:14.380
There doesn't seem to be any human benefit or even human vice that is motivating actions
00:43:23.380
And so to me, I'm like, I think we're just seeing – maybe – I think possession is like
00:43:28.780
the layman interpretation, but obsession and lesser forms of influence.
00:43:34.140
Yeah, and even if you were to give them everything they wanted, they're still miserable, which
00:43:39.360
is an indicator that they're not really truly seeking the good.
00:43:43.060
They're actually – they're just – and this is – but yeah, I think it would be some
00:43:47.640
I think a lot of them are just diabolically obsessed, which is basically – possession
00:43:51.580
is where the demons actually take possession over a part of the body, unless it's perfect
00:43:56.540
possession, which is where they take over the whole body, which is not too common.
00:44:01.740
But obsession is where they afflict the imagination and the emotions, and they can – when they
00:44:09.460
take it over, the person has a hard time thinking outside the box.
00:44:13.620
It's just – and they can't see the truth in relationship to certain things.
00:44:17.420
All they can see is this particular thing, or they think that something's actually true.
00:44:21.160
And we've all experienced this in some degree, not necessarily from a diabolic cause, but
00:44:25.000
just when we get angry afterwards, we realize, yeah, I was a bit over the top, which means
00:44:30.760
But what happens is when the demons take over the person's imagination and their emotions,
00:44:35.640
the person has a hard time seeing the truth for actually what it is.
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Basically, as soon as you're no longer angry, you're like, that was stupid.
00:45:50.880
With, again, obviously exceptions for when you have a good justification for your anger.
00:45:55.700
But I want to ask you about something that I read recently.
00:46:02.320
I was reading something, and this was written by an exorcist,
00:46:05.280
and he compiled evidence from a bunch of different sources,
00:46:08.520
different exorcists he'd talked to, exorcisms he'd been involved in.
00:46:11.520
And one thing he said was that it was commonly found that in homes, schools,
00:46:18.060
different locations that there were some demonic presence in,
00:46:21.920
there was virtually always a demon perched on the primary chair in front of the television.
00:46:30.360
but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on mass media, television, the internet,
00:46:35.820
and the relationship between that and the demonic, the way the demons can use it.
00:46:43.820
I don't know if I would necessarily go that far myself to say that.
00:46:52.960
that there was some relationship between the demon and the television.
00:46:56.560
Well, the fact of the matter is that what demons ultimately want to do
00:47:01.200
because from there our choices are going to flow.
00:47:05.600
and so that means that they are going to do everything they can
00:47:08.420
to be in control of the various means of media.
00:47:13.880
That's why you tend to see the media, you know,
00:47:17.480
I've got to turn these people off because it's constantly lying to me.
00:47:25.860
constant social engineering they're trying to do,
00:47:29.220
and that, I think, is diabolic in the broad sense,
00:47:32.560
because that's the way demons want to control that,
00:47:34.300
and I think the demons actually control a lot of the people
00:47:47.240
the demons are going to be messing with your workability,
00:47:55.080
you know, this is something that should really get out there,
00:47:56.860
and all of a sudden there's nobody watching it, etc.
00:48:02.280
they want to control the sources of information,
00:48:05.080
just like communists want to control the sources of information, etc.
00:48:27.740
to try to communicate good, conservative values,
00:48:42.180
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AI, of course, some people think is literally just demonic.
00:49:32.780
that you tend to see are all part of the show, right?
00:49:43.600
it's the stuff that comes out underneath all of that
00:49:50.980
because it's the same thing over and over and over again,
00:49:57.980
I tell people it's like being on the receiving end
00:50:05.300
You never see that you're just bored about the demons.
00:50:08.140
Maybe we'll have to do an episode on that at some point.
00:50:12.360
I mean, it's day after day you're doing this stuff, right?
00:50:22.240
So you get these little gems now and then, right?
00:50:34.560
where this demon had a particular beef with Our Lady
00:50:40.880
and God's chosen will in relationship to Our Lady.
00:50:52.360
if you're going to go to heaven, ultimately has to sacrifice them
00:50:59.500
we're not going to be interested in what we have here
00:51:11.360
so you're going to be completely enthralled with that.
00:51:15.540
there has to be, at a certain stage in a person's either life
00:51:18.580
for before they see Him, there has to be a willingness
00:51:28.200
You have to be willing to sacrifice these lesser things
00:51:32.120
And we do this all the time in relationship to,
00:51:37.700
there's all sorts of lesser goods you have to put aside
00:51:50.120
to let loose of that in order to attain this greater good.
00:51:53.480
Now, as I mentioned before, they only had one choice,
00:51:59.760
he said that she sacrificed herself her entire life
00:52:31.260
And so I often tell people the most beautiful things,
00:52:49.220
and receive Communion before we'd actually start the sessions,
00:52:52.400
any time he would manifest before Mass was finished,
00:53:04.800
no, they're very consistent in the way their behavior.
00:53:12.760
he told you you have to tell me something, didn't he?
00:53:20.100
and this woman's looking like a man at this stage.
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where if you try and ask the question right off the bat,