The Culture War - Tim Pool - June 04, 2025


Democrats FURIOUS After Trump Admin ARRESTS Illegals At Immigration COURTS ft. George Fishman


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On today's show, we're joined by George Fishman of the Center for Immigration Studies to talk about the need for mass deportations of illegal immigrants and the impact on the economy and the economy as a result of it.

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00:00:43.280 at chattermobile.com. We have this story from NBC News. Immigration arrests in courthouses
00:00:50.520 have become the new deportation tool stripping migrants of a legal process. It's a lie, by the
00:00:57.020 way, that's not stripping them of a legal process. What's happening is illegal immigrants who are not 1.00
00:01:01.060 supposed to be here are going to these courts to try and get legitimate stay in this country.
00:01:07.980 And when they are invariably denied because they're here illegally, they walk out of the courtroom and
00:01:14.100 they get arrested immediately. Now, NBC News says they're losing a legal process, but they broke the
00:01:19.280 law and they're here illegally. And they still get their process, which is crazy. Check this out.
00:01:25.460 They say, after Julio David Perez Rodriguez attended an immigration hearing last week in
00:01:29.080 pursuit of a refugee status in the U.S., the Cuba National was stopped by an undercover agent at the
00:01:33.620 elevator, handcuffed and taken into custody. If you have done nothing illegal, why do you have me
00:01:37.840 handcuffed? If I have done nothing illegal, why do you have me handcuffed? We're coming to this
00:01:42.420 country to seek freedom. What is happening with this country, he said. You came here illegally,
00:01:47.860 okay, sought refugee status, was denied, and now you're being removed.
00:01:56.040 They say he's one of dozens of immigrants caught in similar drag nets drawn in cities around the
00:02:00.540 country since last week as the reality of President Donald Trump's mass deportation operation penetrates
00:02:06.060 further into American families' consciousness. Now, I do have a question. What do you think,
00:02:11.880 my friends, of Donald Trump's activities? We have this for President Trump's job approval,
00:02:18.000 and I'm going to show you. It's really good. It's a great job approval rating. In fact,
00:02:23.800 Trump is doing better, I think we have this right here, than Bush and Obama. Indeed he is.
00:02:29.320 The only problem, take a look at this 20-point swing. Over a similar time period, Yahoo News has a
00:02:35.260 minus 13. Erasmussen has him up seven. Trafalgar has him up eight. Over the exact same time period,
00:02:41.300 Morning Consulate has him down five. Nobody knows. None of it makes sense. What I can say is right now,
00:02:47.980 with everything Trump is doing, with the big, beautiful bill and all these plans,
00:02:51.540 if the Republicans do not enact mass deportations of illegal immigrants, Democrats will mess with the 0.51
00:02:59.940 census in 2030. And this will result in a major shift that grants them extra votes in the Electoral
00:03:06.000 College, and they will never lose. Trump's got to get this job done right now, so that the interests
00:03:12.580 of the American people are what is being voted on. Because let me just express, let me say this before
00:03:18.960 we jump to the interview. It is not about how many votes. It's about how many electoral votes. And some
00:03:24.880 estimates say that California has upwards of 10 extra congressional electoral votes, sorry,
00:03:30.140 and congressional seats because of their illegal immigrants. So we're going to be joined by George 0.87
00:03:34.960 Fishman of the Center for Immigration Studies. And there's a lot to break down on this one. So let
00:03:39.520 me pull him in right now and see if we can get this one working. Let's see. I think we're getting it
00:03:47.220 going. It's giving me the business. Don't worry. We got it. There we go. Just a second. George,
00:03:53.020 can you hear me? Hi, hello. Can you hear me? I can. Can you hear me? Yes, sir. Welcome to the
00:04:01.300 show. Thanks for joining me. Thanks so much for having me. Absolutely. So would you like to just
00:04:05.940 briefly introduce yourself for those who are not familiar with your work? Sure. Well, I've been doing
00:04:10.900 immigration since 1995. I worked as the chief counsel for the Republicans on the House Judiciary
00:04:20.060 Committee's Immigration Subcommittee from 1998 to 2018. Then I worked at the Department of Homeland
00:04:29.900 Security in the first Trump administration as a deputy general counsel at DHS. Now I'm at the Center
00:04:38.340 for Immigration Studies. So we got a bunch of big stories. We've got the Trump administration saying
00:04:44.180 they want to ramp up mass deportations. One of the big stories we're seeing, of course,
00:04:48.100 is the deportation of this man, his entire family after he committed a terror attack in Boulder,
00:04:53.340 Colorado. And Tom Homan saying that we're going to be dealing with 10 years of national security
00:04:59.340 threats because of the Biden administration's open border policy. I'm curious if you have any
00:05:06.140 information can expand on that. Do you agree with what Tom Homan was saying?
00:05:09.720 I don't have any particular non-public information, but I certainly agree with Mr. Homan. Large numbers
00:05:19.520 of individuals from countries, state sponsors of terrorism, countries of concern came in under the
00:05:28.500 Biden administration, certainly many even from Afghanistan during the botched withdrawal from
00:05:36.460 Afghanistan. And despite promises of vetting from the Biden administration, from DHS Secretary Mayorkas,
00:05:45.640 it turned out that vetting was almost non-existent. So yeah, it's going to be a concern for a long time.
00:05:53.880 Did you, just kind of as an aside, did you see that viral video where law enforcement officers
00:05:57.920 approach a man in a car? He's an Afghan national who came to this country during that botched withdrawal, 1.00
00:06:02.700 and then he shoots these cops? No, when did that happen? Yeah, I think this was like a week or two ago.
00:06:07.800 This viral video comes out, and I don't know the exact date of the shooting, but they pull this guy over.
00:06:12.880 He's agitated and angry, and he has a gun, and he says he's from Afghanistan, and he hates this country,
00:06:18.080 and he didn't want to be here, and he had to because of the botched withdrawal. And then he, there's like
00:06:22.760 three cops, and he unloads on them. I think one of the cops may have got shot in the arm,
00:06:26.880 but this, I feel like things like that is exactly what Tom Homan's talking about. So I'm curious,
00:06:35.040 I know that, you know, we've talked about my opinion on these various reasons why they opened
00:06:39.720 up the border and allowed, what, 10 plus million people to come in over four years. But in your
00:06:44.120 research, is there, is there like a stated reason that they did this? Or do you think there's a hidden
00:06:49.520 agenda as to why they opened up the borders the way they did? Well, I think the not so hidden agenda
00:06:54.140 from the Biden administration is they truly believed that anyone in the world who wanted
00:06:59.460 to come to the United States had the right to come to the United States, and to not let them in was 0.98
00:07:04.940 racist, to not let them in was inequitable, was, you know, things like that nature. So yeah, so I,
00:07:14.540 they used every method possible to bring in as many people as possible, just irregardless of the laws
00:07:22.480 that, that Congress has passed, that presidents, that presidents have signed. I went back for a few
00:07:29.620 months, about a year ago, to assist the Homeland Security Committee with the impeachment of Biden's
00:07:36.320 DHS Secretary Mayorkas. This was one of the reasons he was impeached by the House of Representatives for
00:07:42.580 abusing the law in order to allow mass numbers of people into the country who were inadmissible 0.99
00:07:51.120 under the laws that Congress passed, that presidents have enacted into law. You know,
00:07:57.680 these were his so-called Biden's so-called lawful pathways. In my mind, Biden's not so lawful
00:08:05.400 pathways to just get around the laws of this country to bring in as many people as possible.
00:08:12.580 I think, you know, a lot of people say 20 million is the number of illegal immigrants
00:08:17.100 in the country. I think Tom Homan said something like 10 and a half million people came in over the
00:08:21.720 past four years. And now the Trump administration is trying to deal with this, with the security
00:08:26.480 threats, with the disruption to our economy, and just the political structure. But you've been doing
00:08:31.480 this for a long time. So I'm curious, does it seem worse now than it was in the past? Is it? Yeah,
00:08:40.360 go ahead. Well, certainly during the Biden administration, it's never been as bad as in
00:08:47.160 the Biden administration. And hopefully, President Trump and his administration can make substantial
00:08:53.720 progress in undoing the damage from the Biden administration. When I was at DHS in President Trump's
00:09:01.040 first term, when daily apprehensions at the border hit 2,000 a day, that was, you know, it was an
00:09:12.760 emergency. It was it was all hands on deck and emergency. And fortunately, the Trump administration
00:09:22.420 then came up with mechanisms such as remain in Mexico. And then and this was all before the
00:09:31.040 COVID to staunch the flow of people coming in from Mexico. But under the Biden administration,
00:09:38.640 it was past 10,000 a day. It was unprecedented apprehensions on the border. It, you know,
00:09:47.160 really was something never witnessed before in this country. So your organization, what is what is your
00:09:54.660 official stance? I suppose you could say you personally or your organization stance on immigration?
00:09:58.900 Is it safe, legal, controlled migration? Is it limited moratorium?
00:10:05.940 Well, you know, I think the Center for Immigration Studies view is we need
00:10:10.980 fewer immigrants, but we need to give those immigrants we bring into the country legally 1.00
00:10:18.500 a warmer welcome. But yes, to decrease legal levels of immigration, to allow for assimilation, 0.84
00:10:27.220 to protect American workers, to cut off the flow of illegal immigration. And, you know, there's
00:10:36.260 obviously a lot of views that can be encompassed within those goals. But those are the essential
00:10:41.640 goals.
00:10:42.400 What do you so what do you think is the damage and the risk to this country by mass unfettered
00:10:48.660 illegal immigration?
00:10:49.440 Well, you know, first, of course, is the damage to the rule of law, the damage, the loss of American
00:10:56.400 sovereignty. It's, you know, many, many persons in in very, um, blue states and very liberal cities
00:11:05.760 personally witnessed what happens when this mass uncontrolled immigration, uh, when all these, um,
00:11:14.080 aliens were allowed in, uh, or were even flown in by the Biden administration flopped to cities like
00:11:23.120 Chicago, New York, and, uh, the quality, the, the, you know, what that did to the quality of life in
00:11:31.040 these cities, uh, uh, was dramatic. There's a representative, uh, a Democratic representative
00:11:37.920 from Arizona. I, um, who basically said after the election, we lost Democrats lost the 2024 election
00:11:46.040 because of two things, inflation and immigration. And it was the far left policy. He said it was the
00:11:53.660 far left immigration policies of the Biden administration that defeated the Democrats in
00:11:59.760 the 2024 election. So it's just ordinary people in liberal cities and blue states witnessing what
00:12:07.540 happens to their quality of life when there's mass uncontrolled immigration to their, their kids at
00:12:13.240 school, uh, to, uh, you know, everything. What, what, what are like, so we've talked about them quite a
00:12:19.860 bit, but I'm wondering if you have any specific examples of that. It is easy to, easy to point out
00:12:24.740 a lot of these stories where, uh, the one viral video, for instance, there was a, an older black man
00:12:29.000 went to his community center and it was cots and, and like makeshift sleeping quarters for illegal 0.74
00:12:36.280 immigrants. Those, those kinds of things are obvious. Are there any other examples you've
00:12:40.020 witnessed where, you know, people in blue areas were experiencing the negative repercussions of
00:12:45.200 mass illegal immigration? Uh, you pointed out exactly what I was thinking about, uh, thinking of
00:12:51.180 those sort of, uh, things I've read in the newspapers, videos I've seen, uh, town halls, uh, uh, in cities
00:12:59.500 around the country in which, uh, American minorities, uh, blacks, Hispanics, uh, you know, just ordinary 1.00
00:13:08.520 people were, were fed up, were frustrated that exactly the sort of thing you were talking about
00:13:14.380 there, there was the massive budget deficits, the billions of dollars spent on, on, on, you know, housing
00:13:22.500 and, and feeding and, uh, all this, these massive number, uh, of, uh, you know, of aliens, it, uh, you
00:13:32.420 know, it was the crime, you know, certainly cities where, you know, you know, Venezuelan gangs 0.98
00:13:40.780 taken over and, and wrecking havoc. Taking apartments over. Yeah. And, you know, essentially,
00:13:47.140 uh, it, none of it had to happen. It happened because of the policies of the Biden administration
00:13:53.800 and, um, and, you know, it was, you know, as the house pointed out when it impeached Biden's
00:14:02.220 DHS secretary of New Yorkers, it was bad enough that they came in with these crazy ideas. You know,
00:14:09.000 Biden was going to be the anti-Trump on immigration, do the exact opposite of everything Trump did.
00:14:14.720 Okay. That's, they came in like that. Even worse was the fact that once the effects of that became
00:14:24.080 apparent, the effects on America, on Americans, they didn't change course. It's one thing if they
00:14:30.660 came in with crazy ideas, realize the effects, negative effects they were having on the country
00:14:36.220 and said, Whoa, we got to change things. This isn't working out. Like we, uh, we thought it would.
00:14:41.340 But no, they just continued, continued down that path. I feel like a lot of what the Biden
00:14:46.480 administration was doing, much like what the democratic campaigns are is whatever Trump does,
00:14:51.160 we do the opposite. Exactly. Even if it makes no sense. Exactly. I do think though, a couple of
00:14:57.160 things first, I think Democrats are trying to cheat the election and it's not the way that most people
00:15:02.140 think. They claim that illegal immigrants are voting to the millions. I know Trump made some claims like
00:15:06.760 this, but I don't think that's it. I think what we've seen, I think it was even your organization
00:15:10.500 had pointed this out. States like California get extra congressional seats by allowing illegal
00:15:16.920 immigrants to be counted, to stay, be protected, and they count them in the census.
00:15:21.620 That's exactly right. It, uh, some states lose, lose representatives. Some states gain representatives
00:15:27.480 based on population changes driven by illegal immigration. That's exactly right. 0.97
00:15:32.780 I'm curious though. Uh, I was talking with Moms for Liberty the other day. She was mentioning
00:15:38.620 this gender ideology stuff in schools. And I asked, uh, where's it all coming from? She points out
00:15:44.920 that the UN, the World Health Organization are sending these people out to espouse this ideology.
00:15:52.280 And not that I'm asking you about specifically that thing, that stuff, but it is curious
00:15:56.340 that while we see similar issues in the United States in Europe for the past decade plus, we've
00:16:03.200 also had these, these political movements towards mass illegal immigration, bringing in people from
00:16:09.320 undeveloped or underdeveloped nations, and it's caused massive negative economic repercussions.
00:16:14.980 I'm curious if you've seen, like, if you've seen anything like that correlates this, or I guess I
00:16:21.120 suppose, I suppose I can ask why does it appear to be happening all over the West from Europe to the U S?
00:16:25.760 Um, you know, I don't know if it was necessarily the UN, but certainly the UN has been funding
00:16:32.320 the path of illegal immigrants to the United States, giving them out cards with money in them 0.97
00:16:38.760 to, to let them come, come across through Mexico and have money as they come through Mexico and
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00:17:39.340 First to the U.S. border. So our tax dollars have gone to the U.N. to fund giving money to illegal
00:17:49.520 aliens to ease their journey to the United States. So that has definitely happened. But there, you know,
00:17:56.420 it's just the elite view, there's no, at least in the United States, there's no issue where there's a
00:18:05.660 bigger divergence between elite opinion and the opinion of average Americans regarding then
00:18:12.520 immigration, just dramatic differences. And one thing I noted, and I wrote about this, for about 20 to 30
00:18:20.600 years, Democrat voters were trending dramatically towards open borders, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, lack of
00:18:30.100 concern about, uh, illegal immigration from the nineties, uh, to up until the Biden administration. Um, and
00:18:39.660 suddenly that turned around polling results indicate that just regular Democrat voters have, you know, a lot of
00:18:48.760 that 30, 20, 30 year, uh, shift reversed itself during the Biden administration, uh, when, uh, you know,
00:18:57.480 Democrat voters realize, you know, realize in their own communities, uh, what the effects were. So,
00:19:03.280 yeah, I mean, I remember in 1996, when I was just starting out on immigration in the U.S. Congress,
00:19:10.400 a majority of House Democrats voted for the 90, uh, the 1996, uh, immigration enforcement legislation, dramatic
00:19:21.560 immigration enforcement legislation, ultimately signed by President Clinton, supported at least during one vote by
00:19:29.140 a majority of House Democrats. Then we get to, um, 2005, uh, the next big, uh, immigration enforcement bill to hit the
00:19:39.040 House floor. Um, it was down to 19% of Democrats supported it. Wow. We get, we get to 2018, uh, and so, uh,
00:19:49.560 the next big bill, the first bill was Lamar Smith's, second bill was James Sensenbrenner's, third bill in
00:19:55.840 2018, Bob Goodlatte, zero House Democrats voted for it, zero. So that, that, that just shows the shift
00:20:03.800 that occurred because, you know, the extinction of the blue dog Democrats, the shift that occurred 0.54
00:20:09.480 over decades. And it started turning around when people, you know, real life saw in their communities
00:20:16.040 what was happening during the Biden administration. Yeah. It's fascinating. It's almost like an
00:20:20.260 accelerationism of sorts that the, the average Democrat voter didn't see it and didn't care and
00:20:24.780 just had sure it's a good thing until it was in their school, in their community. I remember, I think
00:20:31.080 it was, it was the 20, it was a Democrat primaries for the 2020 cycle. All of the Democrats on stage
00:20:36.520 stage were asked, would you decriminalize border crossings? And they all raised their hands and
00:20:42.940 make it a civil, civil charge. That is every Democrat candidate saying open borders because a civil
00:20:51.560 infraction means what you get a fine and you can stay. They were just saying, open the borders
00:20:55.840 completely. Let everybody come in. Yeah. A lot of people, uh, woke up to what that really
00:21:01.040 meant. And I think a lot of that had to do with say, uh, Texas governor, Greg Abbott, sending
00:21:06.020 busloads of people to, uh, other States. We recently were talking about John, even John
00:21:10.940 Stewart said it was a brilliant move. Make them reap what they have sown.
00:21:15.520 It was a brilliant move, uh, by the governor, but it wasn't just him. It was also Biden's DHS
00:21:21.260 sending people to these cities. It wasn't just Abbott. It was, it was sort of like a combined
00:21:26.200 effort by, uh, by Biden's DHS and governor Abbott. I think what people don't realize is how
00:21:34.640 dangerously, dangerously close we were to losing the will of the American people. Because you take
00:21:42.460 a look at, you know, the, the, the election, we've got Democrats that lose by a few percentage
00:21:47.400 points nationally. And, uh, although Trump did, he won all the swing States for obvious reasons,
00:21:52.460 but it is really close with one political party in favor of, at least at the political level,
00:21:58.920 open borders and non-citizens, even voting in elections in places like New York and San Francisco,
00:22:04.180 other jurisdictions. There's a, there's a video right now from a reporter, Nick Shirley,
00:22:08.680 where the FBI was conducting a raid reportedly on human traffickers and progressive protesters
00:22:15.720 try to shut it down. They come out and protest this. When I see leftist liberal Democrat personalities
00:22:25.300 advocating for the right of non-citizens to vote, you are, and, and, and, and voting to a great degree
00:22:32.820 for politicians who support this. If that trend continued for even a few more years, then the
00:22:38.820 will of the American citizen would be gone. Cause you're not going to be able to compete with 1.00
00:22:44.340 an ever increasing open border, a country that allows non-citizens to vote. And then also allows 0.98
00:22:50.660 non-citizens to come into the tune of millions every year. So, uh, I, with, with that being said,
00:22:56.420 I think we did narrowly avoid that with Trump coming in. Now here's the, the obvious question.
00:23:01.860 I think I know what your answer is going to be. How would you rate the Trump administration's,
00:23:06.200 uh, efforts now with the Biden, you know, he's gone. How's Trump doing?
00:23:09.440 Uh, in terms of immigration, obviously at the border, uh, a remarkable shutdown of the border,
00:23:18.400 uh, you know, for years, the Biden administration was saying these are forces beyond our control.
00:23:24.080 This was, this was global warming. This was, you know, this was collapse in other countries,
00:23:31.520 you know, whether or not there, there, you know, there, there was global warming, uh, human caused
00:23:38.040 global warming, whether or not there was a lot of violent crime in other countries. Uh, it's been
00:23:43.380 that way for a long time. And that didn't stop things from changing the second, uh, that president
00:23:48.580 Trump, uh, uh, came into office. It's going to be a lot more difficult to deal with the population
00:23:56.520 of illegal aliens who are already in the country than it is keeping aliens out who are not here yet.
00:24:03.380 And, you know, I say that, uh, for a few, for a few reasons. Um, and it's one of the reasons I
00:24:10.100 have advocated that president Trump should seriously consider invoking the insurrection act to allow the
00:24:17.660 U S military to take direct law enforcement roles, uh, in, in deportation efforts. Uh, that I agree 1.00
00:24:24.700 that can do it. Ice has about 6,000 officers nationwide, you know, that clearly they're doing
00:24:33.400 all they can with the resources they have, but still 6,000 officers dealing with all these sanctuary,
00:24:40.280 uh, cities and States. I would certainly think, uh, the, the direct assistance of the military and its
00:24:47.880 efforts would be beneficial, but, you know, in terms of removing, um, removing aliens through the
00:24:56.900 removal process, 3.6 million case backlog, 3.6 million cases. Um, you know, it's years and years
00:25:08.320 and decades to get through all those cases. Most of these aliens, especially those who Biden just
00:25:15.300 released, we don't know where they are in the country. It, um, there are over a million aliens
00:25:20.900 who already have final orders of removal. You don't have, there, there's no more process that
00:25:27.480 you have to go through. They have final orders of removal. We don't know where they are. So it's
00:25:32.420 tracking, it's tracking those people down the highest number of aliens who, who got removal orders
00:25:40.520 and were removed from the interior of the U S in a year. I'm not talking about at the border
00:25:45.500 in the interior of the U S the highest number ever in a year was actually under the deporter in chief
00:25:51.760 Barack Obama 2000. Um, it was 2008, um, or 2009, 238,000. Wow. The highest ever. So,
00:26:04.320 you know, I think equally, or if not more important than official removals are going to be efforts to
00:26:12.100 persuade aliens to leave the country voluntarily. You know, the Trump administration is, you know,
00:26:18.540 offering a thousand dollars to leave. I think it, it, uh, it has been a needs to further ramp up
00:26:25.340 worksite enforcement because it's, it's always been agreed. The number one magnet to the United States
00:26:31.280 for illegal immigrants is jobs. If those jobs can be cut off either, um, and I've, there are various
00:26:38.340 ways to do that. I, I proposed some recently, but that would encourage a large number to simply
00:26:45.580 leave on their own. Um, in terms of, um, removing, uh, cartel members, uh, I, um, the president promised
00:26:56.180 to use the alien enemies act, uh, uh, back in 2023, uh, I believe I was the first person to suggest a
00:27:05.100 pathway that would actually be able to use the alien enemies act to remove cartel members. And,
00:27:11.560 you know, not that necessarily, uh, uh, anyone reads my, reads my stuff. I know my wife doesn't,
00:27:18.400 but that was sort of the theory that the president, uh, was, uh, was using that, uh, that, uh, you know,
00:27:25.240 this Venezuelan gang is under the control of the, is associated with part of the Venezuelan
00:27:30.820 government. So it's actually, it's, it's crimes in the U S are a, uh, are an act of a foreign 0.94
00:27:38.480 government. They were predatory incursion and therefore, uh, the alien enemies act can be
00:27:45.120 legit legitimately invoked. I think we need to, uh, you know, my own personal opinion, get past
00:27:52.000 these due process issues, adhere to court orders, get the Supreme court to bless the use of the
00:27:58.880 alien enemies act in this way. And then it will be an extremely powerful tool because when you,
00:28:04.680 the president can use the alien enemies act to remove aliens, you get around this 3.6 million
00:28:10.680 case backlog. It's a way to get around those, that gigantic roadblock. And I want to clarify too,
00:28:17.800 with the insurrection act, the president has the right to invoke this if laws are not being enforced.
00:28:24.160 And so it's not just that the president says, I have the military and we're going to do whatever
00:28:27.820 we want. It's he issued, he, he, he makes a declaration. He declares an insurrection outlining
00:28:33.620 specifically, uh, and here's the example, California, a sanctuary state, they call it where
00:28:39.360 they're not deporting known criminal aliens. Trump has the authority under the insurrection act to say,
00:28:45.100 you have, you have stopped enforcing the law. So we can now summon the national guard.
00:28:50.120 He can take control of the, of the California national guard. I was going to say Canada
00:28:54.620 accidentally, the California national guard, and then use, uh, order them to begin the standard
00:29:01.340 law enforcement process. So this is everything being discussed. The, the, the liberal elements of
00:29:08.100 media are going to claim it's fascistic, but it's all codified U S law. Britain created past
00:29:13.840 to be used for these purposes. You are, you are exactly right. Uh, in, in my opinion,
00:29:20.500 you are exactly right. The insurrection act has gotten a lot of bad press, bad press,
00:29:26.340 but let me tell you some of the examples of when it's been used in the past.
00:29:31.020 It was used by president Ulysses S grant to fight the Ku Klux Klan in the South after world war II.
00:29:37.860 It was used by president Grover Alexander to protect Chinese immigrant minors against rioters
00:29:45.700 in Washington state, uh, you know, a hundred, whatever years ago, it was used, um, by president
00:29:52.260 Dwight Eisenhower, uh, Lyndon Johnson, John F Kennedy, uh, to protect people during the civil rights
00:29:58.500 movement. So it's, it's been used, you know,
00:30:03.600 after the civil war, you mean, right? You listed S grant after the civil war all these times. And,
00:30:09.820 um, and, you know, I think this is another very legitimate purpose. Um, I, I just, I think we need
00:30:18.900 to stop being so scared of the opinions of news publications and people who are actively destroying
00:30:26.120 this country. They want you to feel shame for utilizing law enforcement and the law as it was
00:30:31.660 prescribed and used before because they want illegal immigrants to flood this country and anything 0.99
00:30:37.920 Trump does, they're going to claim is fascistic or evil. Yeah, it, it, uh, you know, I, you know,
00:30:44.760 I, I agree. It's, uh, you know, you know, things, you know, uh, you know, was it fascistic and evil
00:30:50.180 when Ulysses S grant used it, when Lyndon Johnson used it, when John F Kennedy used it? Um, you know,
00:30:57.400 let's, let's treat, let's, let's, uh, you know, treat everyone with the same standard.
00:31:02.420 Right on. Well, I do appreciate you joining me to talk, uh, talk about all of this stuff,
00:31:05.740 especially considering how big the issue of immigration has gotten. Where can people hear
00:31:09.240 more or find more about the work you guys are doing? Well, sure. If, if they'd like to,
00:31:13.420 they can go to the website of the Center for Immigration Studies. Uh, you know, they can, uh,
00:31:18.200 take, uh, take a look at, you know, the publications that I and the other, uh, people at CIS have,
00:31:24.840 uh, have written and, you know, podcasts and all sorts of things like that. And, um, I really
00:31:31.100 appreciate you giving me the chance to, to be on with you. Yeah. Thank you very much. Well,
00:31:34.940 I do appreciate it. Thanks for coming on. We look forward to, uh, seeing more from you guys and,
00:31:38.680 uh, we'll see you next time. Thanks so much. Have a good one. You too.
00:31:43.520 All right. That was Center for Immigration Studies. Really amazing stuff. Uh, they, they put on a lot of
00:31:49.560 great information. They, uh, obviously they work in DC and it is, I think the most important takeaway
00:31:55.440 from this before we, uh, send y'all off to our friend, the quartering final thoughts on this is
00:32:00.040 we need to stop being so worried about the opinions of the New York times, people on the right
00:32:07.500 conservatives, whatever you want to call them, the use of these laws that exist and have existed for
00:32:12.400 hundreds of years, like the alien enemies act. They're trying to make that a negative saying it's
00:32:17.060 an old law from the 1700s. Uh-huh. Yeah. And so it's been around forever. That's a good thing.
00:32:23.560 That means we're not talking about Trump and his cronies passing laws to be fascists. We're talking
00:32:29.240 about Trump saying, Hey, this law is already on the books. This is a normal function of our government
00:32:34.420 to deal with criminals, criminal aliens, and invasive incursions. And so we should. And then they
00:32:41.500 argue it's fascistic. Get out of here. None of that. We have a right to enforce.
00:32:47.060 Our immigration laws and Trump and the Republicans, the right, disfected liberals,
00:32:52.200 whoever it may be, should feel no shame in saying the insurrection act exists specifically when
00:32:58.180 you are not enforcing laws. And so it's time for these deportations. My friends smash the like
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00:33:14.500 So we'll gear that raid up for all of you guys right now and send you on your way. We're back,
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