The Culture War - Tim Pool


Democrats FURIOUS, Try To BLOCK White Refugees ft. Raw Egg Nationalist


Summary

In this episode, Libby talks about the Trump administration's decision to offer refuge to White Afrikaners in the United States, and why they should go back to their home countries. Libby is a regular contributor to Human Events, and has been writing about anti-white racism in South Africa for a long time.


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00:01:10.720 Hello, Libby.
00:01:11.540 Hey, how are you doing?
00:01:13.580 Yeah, I'm good, thanks.
00:01:14.580 Good to be with you.
00:01:15.260 Good to be with you as well.
00:01:16.860 So we have your piece up at humanevents.com
00:01:19.460 about what's going on in South Africa and the refugees who came here.
00:01:23.720 Can you tell us a little bit about that situation?
00:01:26.780 Yeah, of course.
00:01:27.680 So I wrote a piece, an opinion piece for Human Events,
00:01:30.500 about the Africana refugee program,
00:01:33.800 which Trump promised right at the beginning,
00:01:36.640 actually not long after his inauguration.
00:01:39.560 It was interesting, actually, you know,
00:01:41.460 the pushback against the anti-white racism in South Africa
00:01:47.080 came basically straight away from the Trump administration.
00:01:50.340 It was almost more or less a day one policy.
00:01:52.680 You know, you had Marco Rubio saying,
00:01:54.960 look, you know, this has got to end.
00:01:57.780 This is despicable.
00:01:59.680 You know, we're not going to attend the G20 in Johannesburg,
00:02:03.180 which I think, you know,
00:02:04.720 that's a pretty big thing in and of itself,
00:02:06.480 because if I remember correctly,
00:02:08.240 then the leadership of the G20 is passing to the US
00:02:11.480 at the end of the year.
00:02:13.120 So, you know, that's a big snub.
00:02:15.000 That's a serious snub.
00:02:16.580 You had Elon Musk also, of course,
00:02:18.620 who is a South African.
00:02:19.760 He's not a Boer,
00:02:21.360 but he is a white South African nevertheless,
00:02:24.740 you know, doing his best to raise awareness
00:02:26.840 of anti-white racism in South Africa and farm murders.
00:02:30.880 And then you have Donald Trump saying,
00:02:32.140 look, actually, we're going to offer refuge
00:02:34.920 to white farmers who are fleeing, you know,
00:02:37.920 state-sponsored persecution.
00:02:40.800 It didn't, I mean, I'm still surprised, actually,
00:02:43.620 that this has actually come off,
00:02:45.000 that he's actually done it.
00:02:46.020 But, you know, last week,
00:02:48.040 59 white Afrikaners arrived in the US
00:02:52.340 at Dulles Airport.
00:02:53.800 And all hell broke loose, really,
00:02:58.380 especially on social media,
00:02:59.760 but also in the mainstream media, too.
00:03:01.680 So on social media, I mean,
00:03:03.420 you had these ghastly videos of people saying,
00:03:07.100 you know, look, we're going to hunt you down.
00:03:08.960 We're going to find you.
00:03:09.800 We're going to make you go back to South Africa
00:03:12.160 because you don't belong here.
00:03:14.020 You know, we're going to find you.
00:03:16.180 And then you had mainstream commentators saying,
00:03:18.740 too, you know, these people shouldn't be here.
00:03:20.640 They don't deserve to be here.
00:03:22.500 They're not fleeing oppression.
00:03:23.900 They're not being targeted in their home country.
00:03:27.000 And actually, as a matter of fact,
00:03:29.200 maybe they should go back to their real homeland,
00:03:31.820 which is Germany.
00:03:33.840 Right. That was Ashley Allison.
00:03:35.640 She was saying that on CNN.
00:03:37.300 She said that they're not experiencing genocide,
00:03:39.500 so they should go back to Germany.
00:03:42.260 And this has been something that they keep bringing up.
00:03:45.160 You know, there's no genocide of white people
00:03:47.120 in South Africa,
00:03:47.860 so there's no such thing as refugees.
00:03:50.640 What do you make of that?
00:03:51.620 Is it is a refugee only someone who's experiencing genocide?
00:03:56.240 No, obviously not.
00:03:57.640 And certainly, I think, you know,
00:04:00.080 as you were saying just before I came in,
00:04:02.980 if you look at the criteria for other countries,
00:04:06.320 if you look at the criteria for these special exemptions
00:04:08.880 that were given, you know, for the Cubans
00:04:10.520 and the Venezuelans and the Nicaraguans,
00:04:12.480 then it's all pretty thin.
00:04:14.580 And the point of my article really is,
00:04:18.920 look, this is mask off now.
00:04:21.020 Now we're seeing really the double standards.
00:04:24.280 Now we're seeing that actually, you know,
00:04:26.440 this isn't about anything other than actually the fact
00:04:29.280 that these people are white.
00:04:30.820 That's the problem.
00:04:31.800 The problem is that they're white.
00:04:33.360 And white people don't deserve protection
00:04:36.040 in the liberal worldview.
00:04:37.580 And in fact, actually, perhaps, you know,
00:04:40.760 it's even darker than that.
00:04:43.240 It's actually, you know,
00:04:43.920 white people actually basically deserve to be,
00:04:47.020 well, to be exterminated.
00:04:48.800 And it's, yeah, it's been a,
00:04:51.340 I mean, we know this already, you know,
00:04:53.520 this isn't actually news to us.
00:04:55.320 And that's something I say in the article too,
00:04:57.080 you know, like we know that white people
00:04:59.640 are bottom of the heap in the liberal hierarchy
00:05:02.540 of morality and values.
00:05:06.160 We know that the worst thing it's possible to be
00:05:09.240 in the liberal worldview is a white heterosexual man.
00:05:13.380 But up until now and until this refugee program,
00:05:18.240 then there was a certain amount of hedging.
00:05:21.380 You know, it would,
00:05:22.980 there was always a little bit of embarrassment
00:05:24.740 about the kind of exterminationist rhetoric
00:05:27.340 that you'd hear, you know,
00:05:28.400 it would always be kind of hedged a little bit.
00:05:30.360 And, but now that's, now that's gone.
00:05:32.820 I mean, now that there actually are white refugees
00:05:35.260 arriving in the U.S. from South Africa,
00:05:38.480 bearing the original sin of apartheid as well.
00:05:41.980 That was something that Rick Stengel,
00:05:44.020 who is a kind of deep state apparatchik,
00:05:47.440 he went on, I think, MSNBC.
00:05:49.640 And he said, you know, look,
00:05:51.100 these people aren't responsible for apartheid,
00:05:54.120 not directly,
00:05:55.620 but basically they bear the original sin.
00:05:58.020 They bear the stain of apartheid.
00:05:59.760 They've benefited from the apartheid system.
00:06:03.000 And so they absolutely cannot be let into the country.
00:06:06.860 And so what this really is,
00:06:08.920 and this is the crux, I suppose,
00:06:10.460 of my argument in the opinion piece,
00:06:12.000 is this is a theological view.
00:06:15.820 This is a liberal theological view
00:06:18.300 of white people as basically bearing original sin.
00:06:22.540 And, yeah, it's a complicated, unpleasant thing.
00:06:28.820 But yes, definitely, you know,
00:06:30.360 by the actual standards that are applied
00:06:33.760 generally to refugees,
00:06:35.700 people, you know, seeking asylum in the U.S.,
00:06:39.540 then of course, of course, they should be able to come.
00:06:42.500 Of course, they should be able to come.
00:06:43.940 There was a, there was an argument.
00:06:45.780 I was listening to the New York Times
00:06:47.360 has this daily podcast,
00:06:48.520 and they were going on about this.
00:06:51.080 And it was actually really fascinating
00:06:52.520 to listen to some of the,
00:06:55.240 some of their apologies,
00:06:57.360 essentially, for the violence
00:06:58.700 against white South Africans,
00:07:00.060 saying, you know,
00:07:00.520 it's really not that bad.
00:07:02.680 It's not a genocide.
00:07:03.900 There's just a, you know,
00:07:04.720 a bunch of murderers.
00:07:05.940 It's really not so bad.
00:07:07.520 Who's really worried about that?
00:07:09.300 The black South Africans deserve a better chant,
00:07:11.720 you know, deserve to be refugees
00:07:12.900 more than the white South Africans do
00:07:14.760 because of apartheid.
00:07:15.920 And, of course, you had Ashley Allison,
00:07:18.580 who you mentioned earlier.
00:07:19.340 She's the one who said,
00:07:20.000 go back to Germany.
00:07:20.800 She was saying on that same,
00:07:23.140 and she was corrected, you know,
00:07:24.680 Holland, like, you know, whatever.
00:07:27.260 She was corrected.
00:07:27.980 But she was like, whatever, who cares?
00:07:30.600 She was saying also that the white Afrikaners,
00:07:35.620 if they don't like the new laws
00:07:37.000 that have been put in place,
00:07:38.700 the sort of land reclamation laws,
00:07:40.760 then they should just go back to Germany,
00:07:43.120 that they should, you know,
00:07:44.340 that's their problem for not liking the laws.
00:07:46.820 These laws that were,
00:07:48.920 that have been enacted for 2025
00:07:50.800 essentially say that land can be grabbed
00:07:54.020 by the government for no compensation.
00:07:57.600 And when you look into it,
00:07:59.120 they're saying, oh, you know,
00:08:00.140 it would probably go through the courts,
00:08:01.600 and it's probably just for land
00:08:03.400 that's standing there that nobody's using.
00:08:05.620 And they accuse the white South Africaners
00:08:08.000 of having the most,
00:08:09.440 like owning the most land in the country.
00:08:11.060 But doesn't the government own the most land
00:08:13.540 in the country?
00:08:15.580 I'm not, I mean, I do know that the,
00:08:18.120 that the white South Africans,
00:08:19.740 Afrikaans in particular, yeah,
00:08:21.160 then I think they do publicly own,
00:08:23.640 or rather privately own the farmland.
00:08:25.560 And I think they do own the most.
00:08:27.500 But yes, I mean, I would imagine
00:08:28.960 that the South African government
00:08:30.180 has much more, much more land
00:08:32.500 actually to do anything with.
00:08:34.680 And it could, if they wanted to,
00:08:36.980 then they could give land
00:08:38.040 to black South Africans to farm.
00:08:40.840 But what's important, I think,
00:08:42.340 actually to note is, you know,
00:08:43.820 this expropriation has been done before.
00:08:46.320 It was in the 90s, right, with Mandela.
00:08:49.380 But also it was done in Zimbabwe.
00:08:51.340 Yes, of course.
00:08:52.440 Former Rhodesia.
00:08:54.300 And it turned Zimbabwe
00:08:56.740 from the breadbasket of Africa
00:08:59.080 into a basket case very, very quickly.
00:09:02.480 And in fact, actually,
00:09:03.200 what's so ironic and sad now
00:09:07.180 is that actually the government of Zimbabwe
00:09:09.020 is trying to ask white farmers
00:09:10.640 to come back.
00:09:11.500 How's that going for them?
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00:09:41.020 Well, I mean, yeah.
00:09:42.260 I mean, would you go back really
00:09:44.000 knowing that actually your land
00:09:45.680 could be taken at any moment
00:09:47.720 by the government?
00:09:48.840 And weren't there a fair number of
00:09:50.120 murders also in Zimbabwe?
00:09:53.360 Yeah.
00:09:53.920 Yes, yeah.
00:09:54.720 But yeah, very much so.
00:09:56.180 I mean, not only during the long Bush War
00:09:59.660 that took place before Rhodesia
00:10:01.860 became Zimbabwe,
00:10:02.900 but also actually afterwards,
00:10:04.340 then yes,
00:10:05.360 there was a period of sort of,
00:10:07.440 I think it was about 20 years,
00:10:09.100 actually,
00:10:09.460 when white farmers
00:10:10.920 still held on to a lot of land,
00:10:12.760 but they were threatened
00:10:13.640 and attacked and murdered
00:10:15.360 and all that kind of stuff.
00:10:16.480 And then this land expropriation law
00:10:19.200 was brought in
00:10:19.940 and the country went to hell
00:10:22.120 in a handbasket
00:10:22.820 very, very quickly.
00:10:24.220 So it's very strange
00:10:27.040 to see actually
00:10:27.840 the South African government
00:10:29.120 wanting to go
00:10:30.360 in the same direction
00:10:31.640 as Zimbabwe
00:10:32.680 because, you know,
00:10:33.960 if there's a cautionary tale,
00:10:36.220 you know,
00:10:36.900 it's Zimbabwe.
00:10:38.000 So,
00:10:38.960 but it's about more than that.
00:10:40.420 It is, I think,
00:10:41.200 about,
00:10:42.100 it is about eliminating
00:10:44.100 white people,
00:10:44.720 I think,
00:10:45.100 and expropriating white people
00:10:46.860 and taking revenge
00:10:47.700 on white people too.
00:10:49.500 And,
00:10:49.820 and, you know,
00:10:50.480 I end this piece
00:10:51.640 for Human Events
00:10:52.360 by saying
00:10:52.980 it's sad
00:10:54.580 that actually,
00:10:55.400 you know,
00:10:55.520 these people,
00:10:56.160 these Afrikaners,
00:10:56.960 they're fleeing
00:10:57.580 this exterminationist
00:10:59.420 mindset,
00:11:01.660 but actually
00:11:03.120 they're coming to America
00:11:04.100 and they're discovering
00:11:04.800 that also actually
00:11:05.560 a lot of people
00:11:06.040 in America hold it too.
00:11:08.040 And,
00:11:08.380 you know,
00:11:09.140 America isn't
00:11:10.200 that different
00:11:11.080 a country
00:11:11.680 from South Africa,
00:11:13.260 unfortunately.
00:11:14.560 It's just that
00:11:15.660 South Africa's
00:11:16.500 further down
00:11:17.460 that dreadful,
00:11:18.680 dreadful road
00:11:19.380 of collective guilt
00:11:20.420 than America is.
00:11:22.000 There was a situation
00:11:23.060 under the Biden
00:11:23.680 administration
00:11:24.380 where the,
00:11:25.820 it was because of COVID
00:11:27.140 and so they decided
00:11:28.420 to give out
00:11:29.260 a bunch of loans
00:11:30.780 to American farmers
00:11:32.360 who had suffered
00:11:33.080 under COVID
00:11:33.680 and Agriculture Secretary
00:11:35.680 at the time,
00:11:36.220 Tom Vilsack,
00:11:36.940 prioritized
00:11:38.020 Black farmers
00:11:39.320 and Black land owners
00:11:40.760 for these loans
00:11:42.240 over their white counterparts
00:11:44.260 and the argument
00:11:45.200 was specifically
00:11:46.780 that this was
00:11:47.720 a racial consideration.
00:11:49.320 of course,
00:11:50.540 the white farmers
00:11:51.080 did sue
00:11:51.840 and they brought
00:11:52.840 it to court
00:11:53.440 and Vilsack admitted,
00:11:55.380 the Biden administration
00:11:56.020 had to admit
00:11:56.760 that their intention
00:11:57.760 was to remedy
00:11:59.720 past discrimination
00:12:00.960 with discrimination
00:12:02.120 in the present.
00:12:03.100 And the judge,
00:12:04.100 the federal judge said,
00:12:05.080 you know,
00:12:06.340 that's not cool.
00:12:07.340 You can't do that.
00:12:08.700 That's totally illegal.
00:12:10.900 Do you think
00:12:11.800 that America
00:12:12.300 could get to a place
00:12:13.740 with the wrong leadership
00:12:15.060 where that kind of thing
00:12:17.500 is permitted to go through?
00:12:18.800 I mean,
00:12:18.940 essentially,
00:12:19.620 that's what's going on
00:12:20.620 in South Africa.
00:12:21.260 They're trying to fix
00:12:22.340 past discrimination
00:12:23.260 by discriminating
00:12:25.140 in the present
00:12:25.760 against the people
00:12:26.540 who are the descendants
00:12:27.460 of, you know,
00:12:28.660 those oppressors
00:12:29.280 or just look like them.
00:12:31.160 Do you think
00:12:31.540 that we could end up
00:12:32.200 with something like that?
00:12:32.780 Yeah, yeah, I mean,
00:12:33.940 I do.
00:12:34.320 I think that it's actually
00:12:35.240 the, it is the logical
00:12:36.580 end point, actually,
00:12:37.920 of all radical leftist
00:12:40.340 political projects
00:12:42.360 is this kind of
00:12:44.100 collective scapegoating,
00:12:47.580 collective dispossession,
00:12:49.040 collective punishment.
00:12:50.400 You know,
00:12:50.580 we saw it in the Soviet Union,
00:12:51.980 of course,
00:12:52.460 where it was,
00:12:52.820 it was class-based.
00:12:54.820 But there was also
00:12:55.840 an ethnic element to it,
00:12:57.160 actually,
00:12:57.620 in the Soviet Union, too.
00:12:59.100 But certainly now
00:13:00.420 in the new kind of
00:13:02.060 updated leftist worldview
00:13:05.220 where it's not about class,
00:13:07.120 but it's about race,
00:13:08.940 then, yeah,
00:13:09.520 I think that the collective
00:13:10.620 scapegoating inevitably
00:13:12.260 ends up focusing
00:13:14.420 on white people.
00:13:15.520 It's never anybody else.
00:13:17.520 And so, yes,
00:13:18.480 I mean, I think if the wrong,
00:13:19.780 if the wrong kind of regime
00:13:22.500 were to take power
00:13:23.520 in the US,
00:13:24.280 then, yeah,
00:13:25.160 I mean,
00:13:25.340 there's absolutely no reason
00:13:26.780 not to believe
00:13:28.020 that that couldn't happen.
00:13:29.100 And, you know,
00:13:29.700 we've seen moves towards,
00:13:31.840 like you say,
00:13:33.900 you know,
00:13:34.020 we've seen moves towards
00:13:35.060 this kind of collective
00:13:37.320 kind of sort of
00:13:38.720 anti-white racism,
00:13:39.700 really.
00:13:40.620 It is,
00:13:41.160 in fact,
00:13:41.500 and during the,
00:13:42.380 you know,
00:13:42.600 the pandemic,
00:13:43.240 it wasn't just farmers.
00:13:45.540 You may remember
00:13:46.580 that actually medical treatment
00:13:48.400 actually.
00:13:49.260 Oh, yes.
00:13:50.640 I forgot about that somehow.
00:13:53.220 Yeah.
00:13:53.620 Yes.
00:13:54.080 So monoclonal antibodies,
00:13:55.940 for example,
00:13:56.500 which were one of the more
00:13:58.320 effective,
00:13:58.760 I think,
00:13:59.440 treatments for COVID-19,
00:14:01.540 they were rationed
00:14:02.880 in certain areas
00:14:03.920 and only given
00:14:04.900 to non-white Americans.
00:14:07.280 You know,
00:14:07.480 it was actually explicitly said
00:14:09.160 certain treatments
00:14:10.600 will be only,
00:14:11.600 only be given
00:14:12.340 to non-whites
00:14:13.080 on the basis
00:14:14.100 of historical injustice,
00:14:16.820 structural inequality,
00:14:18.120 et cetera.
00:14:18.480 So it's not that
00:14:20.860 it's just happening
00:14:21.640 in terms of property ownership
00:14:24.320 or access to land.
00:14:25.700 It's actually,
00:14:26.420 it's across the board
00:14:27.540 and actually the medical industry
00:14:29.340 in particular,
00:14:30.540 there's a great focus
00:14:32.240 on structural inequality,
00:14:36.080 lack of access
00:14:37.340 to medical treatments,
00:14:38.920 you know,
00:14:39.160 for non-whites
00:14:39.920 and attempts to remedy it
00:14:41.380 by allowing non-whites
00:14:43.900 to have preferential access
00:14:45.220 to new treatments.
00:14:46.140 So,
00:14:47.180 yeah,
00:14:48.020 I mean,
00:14:48.280 you're already
00:14:49.080 further down that road,
00:14:50.840 actually,
00:14:51.280 I think,
00:14:51.860 than you know.
00:14:53.220 And,
00:14:53.560 you know,
00:14:54.380 once you start
00:14:55.000 to collect together
00:14:55.880 all of this,
00:14:56.700 all of these different examples,
00:14:58.060 actually,
00:14:58.340 it becomes clear,
00:14:59.760 yeah,
00:15:00.000 we're not that different,
00:15:01.660 actually,
00:15:02.160 from South Africa
00:15:03.020 or Zimbabwe.
00:15:04.480 You know,
00:15:04.720 you start talking
00:15:05.400 about the 1619 project,
00:15:07.180 for example,
00:15:08.140 this attempt to say
00:15:09.160 that actually,
00:15:09.760 no,
00:15:09.980 America,
00:15:11.020 America wasn't founded
00:15:12.240 in 1776,
00:15:13.800 America was founded
00:15:14.620 in 1619
00:15:15.840 when the first
00:15:17.120 slave ship arrived.
00:15:18.860 And that's America's
00:15:20.220 original founding sin.
00:15:22.260 So,
00:15:22.480 the founding of America
00:15:23.660 wasn't something
00:15:24.220 to be proud of,
00:15:25.260 it was the original sin
00:15:26.840 of bringing Africans
00:15:27.980 as slaves
00:15:29.100 to America.
00:15:30.340 I wanted to get your reaction
00:15:32.060 on this clip.
00:15:33.020 Tate,
00:15:33.360 can we play this?
00:15:33.960 This is,
00:15:34.300 this is Ellie Mistal.
00:15:36.120 Am I saying that right?
00:15:36.920 Yes.
00:15:37.820 This was,
00:15:38.620 it's pretty weird.
00:15:42.240 This election has proven
00:15:45.900 that this administration
00:15:47.140 has proven painfully
00:15:48.980 in some ways
00:15:51.000 is that black people
00:15:52.880 cannot save this country
00:15:54.860 from white folks.
00:15:56.500 We can't do it alone.
00:15:58.540 Right?
00:15:59.100 If white folks
00:16:00.340 aren't going to join in,
00:16:01.420 if white women
00:16:02.180 aren't going to join in,
00:16:03.240 if Latinos aren't going
00:16:04.740 to join in,
00:16:05.700 we can't do it alone.
00:16:07.700 This election has proven
00:16:09.100 that this administration
00:16:10.080 why do you,
00:16:13.320 why do you think
00:16:14.680 Ellie Mistal
00:16:15.360 thinks that
00:16:16.060 the country needs
00:16:16.920 to be saved
00:16:17.900 from white people
00:16:18.800 and that white people
00:16:19.660 need to help him do it?
00:16:21.860 Yeah,
00:16:22.420 it's a,
00:16:22.700 it's a funny thing,
00:16:23.840 isn't it?
00:16:24.140 You know,
00:16:24.280 it's,
00:16:24.580 it's part and parcel
00:16:25.760 and I actually,
00:16:26.680 I talk about this too
00:16:27.520 in the article,
00:16:28.380 this notion
00:16:29.300 that actually,
00:16:30.300 uh,
00:16:31.420 when they're talking
00:16:32.520 about whiteness,
00:16:33.760 what they're talking
00:16:34.820 about actually
00:16:35.540 is a structure.
00:16:36.640 So it's a way of,
00:16:37.780 it's kind of a way
00:16:38.500 of disguising the fact
00:16:39.440 that actually it is
00:16:40.120 just naked hatred
00:16:41.240 of white people
00:16:41.920 for the colour
00:16:42.440 of their skin.
00:16:43.640 But what they say
00:16:44.720 is these kind of
00:16:45.400 race grifters,
00:16:46.380 these academics,
00:16:47.340 these kind of
00:16:47.800 pseudo-intellectuals,
00:16:48.740 they're saying,
00:16:49.120 no,
00:16:50.020 whiteness isn't
00:16:50.920 white people.
00:16:51.800 Whiteness is a structure
00:16:52.880 of oppression
00:16:53.500 and white people
00:16:54.580 themselves can help
00:16:55.800 to dismantle it.
00:16:57.160 But they don't actually
00:16:58.120 mean that at all.
00:16:59.040 They just,
00:16:59.560 they just,
00:17:00.060 they're just clothing
00:17:00.840 naked racism
00:17:01.900 in,
00:17:02.380 in basically this sort
00:17:03.500 of respectable garb.
00:17:04.840 But yeah,
00:17:07.560 I mean,
00:17:07.760 I think that there's,
00:17:09.200 yeah,
00:17:09.580 I mean,
00:17:09.780 I think that there
00:17:10.800 is this emphasis
00:17:11.900 on white people
00:17:14.040 sort of exterminating
00:17:16.220 themselves,
00:17:16.880 basically,
00:17:17.520 effacing themselves,
00:17:18.840 you know,
00:17:20.380 because I think
00:17:23.400 that's,
00:17:23.840 I think it's kind
00:17:24.460 of like,
00:17:24.960 I mean,
00:17:25.180 it's this twisted
00:17:25.920 kind of revenge
00:17:27.060 kind of rhetoric
00:17:28.120 and I think it,
00:17:29.000 I think it makes
00:17:29.820 that revenge
00:17:30.520 even sweeter,
00:17:31.700 you know,
00:17:31.860 sort of forcing
00:17:32.940 white people
00:17:33.560 basically to participate
00:17:34.820 in their own destruction.
00:17:36.660 It's a,
00:17:36.980 it's a funny thing.
00:17:38.320 I mean,
00:17:38.560 it's a,
00:17:39.180 it's a deep kind of,
00:17:40.700 it has these deep
00:17:41.560 psychological wellsprings,
00:17:43.160 I think,
00:17:44.280 in this sense of revenge,
00:17:46.360 in this sense of,
00:17:47.560 of resentment
00:17:48.340 and a kind of desire
00:17:49.840 to revenge oneself
00:17:51.080 on one's oppressors.
00:17:53.460 It's,
00:17:53.680 it's,
00:17:53.980 it's nasty stuff.
00:17:55.060 It's nasty stuff.
00:17:55.940 And look,
00:17:56.920 you know,
00:17:57.480 we,
00:17:57.780 we've seen,
00:17:58.500 we know where it leads.
00:18:00.440 In South Africa,
00:18:01.360 it leads to murder.
00:18:02.480 It leads to rape.
00:18:03.260 It leads to the killing
00:18:04.380 of children.
00:18:05.400 I mean,
00:18:05.660 you have,
00:18:06.220 you know,
00:18:06.500 you have these
00:18:06.980 South African politicians
00:18:08.140 and race grifters
00:18:10.140 who say,
00:18:10.680 you know,
00:18:10.860 we,
00:18:11.040 we don't,
00:18:11.780 we shouldn't just
00:18:12.400 kill white people.
00:18:13.320 We need to kill
00:18:13.840 their pets too.
00:18:14.940 We need to kill
00:18:15.440 their cats.
00:18:16.220 We need to kill
00:18:16.760 their dogs.
00:18:17.400 Why do they need
00:18:17.900 to kill the pets?
00:18:18.760 I thought pets
00:18:19.260 were innocent.
00:18:20.740 Well,
00:18:21.140 but this is the thing
00:18:21.880 because I think
00:18:22.500 it's all,
00:18:22.940 it's a sense
00:18:23.460 of sort of wiping,
00:18:26.240 wiping every last trace
00:18:27.980 of white people
00:18:29.100 from South Africa.
00:18:30.520 And,
00:18:31.040 you know,
00:18:32.320 I mean,
00:18:32.700 different ethnicities
00:18:34.100 have different attitudes
00:18:35.540 to animals,
00:18:36.520 for example,
00:18:37.200 and to pets.
00:18:38.520 And there is,
00:18:40.240 there is,
00:18:40.900 I think that's partly
00:18:42.060 what it is.
00:18:42.740 It's not just,
00:18:43.700 it's not enough
00:18:44.520 simply to,
00:18:45.540 you know,
00:18:45.920 to redistribute the land.
00:18:47.780 I mean,
00:18:47.980 you actually have to,
00:18:49.400 you actually have to make it
00:18:50.720 as if these people
00:18:51.560 never existed at all.
00:18:52.860 And so,
00:18:54.160 I mean,
00:18:54.460 yeah,
00:18:54.800 you sadly missed our guy.
00:18:56.240 I mean,
00:18:57.180 I think he probably would
00:18:58.460 in an unguarded moment
00:18:59.700 say something
00:19:00.520 that would,
00:19:01.060 wouldn't be out of place
00:19:02.220 at all
00:19:02.720 at one of these
00:19:03.700 kind of blood-curdling
00:19:04.740 South African rallies.
00:19:06.020 But of course,
00:19:07.080 for the sake of,
00:19:08.140 of respectability,
00:19:09.380 he has to clothe
00:19:10.720 his naked racism
00:19:12.100 in some kind of
00:19:13.460 slightly more,
00:19:15.140 slightly more acceptable
00:19:16.080 garb.
00:19:16.800 And I think that's
00:19:17.440 what he's doing there.
00:19:18.380 Under the Nelson Mandela government
00:19:21.280 in the 90s,
00:19:22.900 there was a plan
00:19:25.340 to create reparations
00:19:27.340 for black South Africans.
00:19:29.200 And there was a big initiative
00:19:30.940 for either cash reparations
00:19:32.860 or land repatriation.
00:19:34.780 And most of the people
00:19:36.340 took cash
00:19:37.940 instead of land.
00:19:40.280 So why do you think
00:19:41.740 that the South African government
00:19:43.500 believes now
00:19:44.500 that,
00:19:45.600 you know,
00:19:46.140 either that the same culture
00:19:48.360 that encouraged
00:19:49.500 black South Africans
00:19:51.640 to take cash
00:19:52.420 would now encourage them
00:19:53.660 to go about farming?
00:19:55.620 I was reading some statistic
00:19:56.920 and I don't have it
00:19:57.680 on the tip of my tongue,
00:19:58.780 but it was that
00:19:59.420 a lot of the land
00:20:00.500 owned by black South Africans
00:20:01.740 is not being farmed
00:20:03.140 at all anyway.
00:20:05.540 Yeah, I mean,
00:20:06.260 look,
00:20:07.140 farming is difficult.
00:20:08.600 Farming is hard.
00:20:09.680 Yeah, I don't do it.
00:20:09.700 You can't just come
00:20:11.640 into farming
00:20:12.500 from,
00:20:14.140 you know,
00:20:14.340 you're an urban,
00:20:15.500 you're a poor urban
00:20:16.840 black South African.
00:20:18.360 You know,
00:20:18.580 you're not going to know
00:20:19.320 how to run a farm.
00:20:20.380 I mean,
00:20:20.660 it's a recipe for disaster.
00:20:23.640 And again,
00:20:24.480 you know,
00:20:24.780 in Zimbabwe,
00:20:26.420 land from white farmers
00:20:28.060 was just given
00:20:28.840 to Robert Mugabe's cronies
00:20:30.580 to members
00:20:31.460 of his kind of extended
00:20:32.720 clan
00:20:33.660 and his sort of
00:20:34.500 political grouping.
00:20:35.800 And it was a disaster
00:20:36.840 because they didn't know
00:20:37.500 what to do with it.
00:20:38.340 So,
00:20:38.900 I mean,
00:20:40.640 that's at least,
00:20:41.900 I think,
00:20:42.360 the sort of Nelson Mandela
00:20:43.820 thing,
00:20:44.180 that at least is a sign
00:20:45.720 that Mandela understood,
00:20:47.460 you know,
00:20:47.960 South Africa needs
00:20:48.940 to have a functioning
00:20:49.860 agricultural sector.
00:20:51.060 And look,
00:20:51.440 if we're going to do
00:20:52.200 reparations
00:20:53.180 and,
00:20:53.540 you know,
00:20:54.160 sort of make amends
00:20:55.220 for apartheid,
00:20:56.120 then it would be better
00:20:57.260 actually to redistribute money
00:20:58.840 rather than redistributing
00:21:00.220 the land.
00:21:01.100 But,
00:21:01.640 you know,
00:21:02.700 whatever wisdom
00:21:03.620 Nelson Mandela
00:21:05.000 was possessed of,
00:21:06.060 I don't think
00:21:06.680 South Africa's
00:21:07.460 current leaders are.
00:21:09.160 I think that they're
00:21:10.000 totally wrapped up
00:21:11.080 in this.
00:21:13.060 Well,
00:21:13.380 what they're actually
00:21:14.320 totally wrapped up in
00:21:15.400 is they're totally
00:21:16.040 wrapped up in
00:21:16.740 distracting from
00:21:17.940 their own part
00:21:19.320 in South Africa's
00:21:20.300 downfall.
00:21:21.500 South Africa has
00:21:22.500 declined enormously
00:21:24.100 in,
00:21:25.060 you know,
00:21:25.600 three decades
00:21:26.260 since,
00:21:26.740 what,
00:21:26.900 1991
00:21:27.440 or 1994
00:21:29.000 whenever apartheid,
00:21:30.300 you know,
00:21:30.440 officially came to an end.
00:21:31.620 It's been 30 years
00:21:32.660 and South Africa
00:21:33.420 is a third world
00:21:34.840 country now
00:21:35.580 and all sorts
00:21:37.060 of things are going wrong
00:21:38.080 and it's mismanagement,
00:21:39.800 it's cronyism,
00:21:41.080 it's corruption.
00:21:43.700 But no,
00:21:44.500 actually it's white people.
00:21:45.680 It's white people
00:21:46.320 having all the land
00:21:47.340 because that's basically
00:21:48.160 the only thing
00:21:48.900 that white people
00:21:49.740 kind of,
00:21:50.300 you know,
00:21:50.500 have left in South Africa.
00:21:52.640 And so I think
00:21:53.740 the focus on the land
00:21:55.140 is,
00:21:55.900 is,
00:21:56.840 is basically,
00:21:58.960 is basically a way
00:22:00.040 to distract
00:22:00.560 from the South African
00:22:01.620 government's failures.
00:22:02.820 But of course,
00:22:03.340 it will only make
00:22:04.220 things worse.
00:22:05.180 You also had
00:22:05.720 the leader of South Africa,
00:22:07.320 Ramaphosa,
00:22:08.180 saying that those
00:22:09.320 South Africans
00:22:10.780 who came to the U.S.
00:22:12.120 were essentially cowards,
00:22:13.920 which I found
00:22:14.540 really surprising.
00:22:15.500 Like,
00:22:15.680 how do you say
00:22:16.680 that people
00:22:17.040 who pick up everything
00:22:18.200 and move to another country
00:22:19.400 are cowards?
00:22:20.060 It's actually,
00:22:21.260 it seemed to have
00:22:22.720 a lot of daring in it,
00:22:23.720 if you ask me,
00:22:24.560 you know,
00:22:24.740 people who leave
00:22:25.340 everything behind.
00:22:26.160 And my ancestors
00:22:27.560 did that themselves,
00:22:29.140 you know,
00:22:29.380 from Italy and Norway.
00:22:30.920 So,
00:22:31.640 and they were some
00:22:32.500 of the most courageous
00:22:33.120 people that I know.
00:22:34.300 Why do you think
00:22:35.060 that he was interested
00:22:36.100 in framing
00:22:36.920 these people as cowards?
00:22:39.580 Well,
00:22:40.040 yes,
00:22:40.320 I mean,
00:22:40.600 it does,
00:22:41.620 you know,
00:22:41.900 I mean,
00:22:42.240 the Boer have been
00:22:43.540 in South Africa
00:22:44.560 for longer than the Bantu.
00:22:46.400 So the Boer
00:22:47.240 were there first.
00:22:48.120 The Boer have been
00:22:48.660 there for 400 odd years.
00:22:50.200 You know,
00:22:50.520 I mean,
00:22:50.800 they,
00:22:51.540 you know,
00:22:52.860 they carved out
00:22:54.640 an inhabitable nation
00:22:57.220 from wilderness.
00:22:59.200 And,
00:22:59.660 you know,
00:23:00.640 they have deep,
00:23:01.500 deep ties.
00:23:02.740 I mean,
00:23:02.880 they genuinely believe
00:23:04.080 that they have a right
00:23:05.120 to live in South Africa
00:23:06.280 and to continue,
00:23:08.480 you know,
00:23:08.860 maintaining the land
00:23:09.840 and maintaining the traditions
00:23:10.860 of their ancestors.
00:23:12.240 But I think that the,
00:23:13.620 I think that the,
00:23:15.000 those comments
00:23:16.920 by Ramaphosa
00:23:17.760 are just part and parcel
00:23:20.400 really of the demonization
00:23:21.920 of white people
00:23:23.080 in South Africa.
00:23:23.760 I think that you have to,
00:23:25.360 you couldn't portray them
00:23:26.420 as being brave
00:23:27.700 in any sense.
00:23:28.940 You have to portray them.
00:23:29.920 They're cowards
00:23:30.580 because,
00:23:31.620 of course,
00:23:32.180 they obtained the land,
00:23:34.140 you know,
00:23:36.140 wrongfully as well.
00:23:38.000 So it's not like,
00:23:39.020 you know,
00:23:39.260 you can't,
00:23:39.720 you can't really actually
00:23:40.860 concede any kind of
00:23:42.840 sort of goodness
00:23:44.980 to these people.
00:23:45.860 You have to demonize them.
00:23:47.280 You have to say,
00:23:48.020 look,
00:23:48.160 these people are cowards.
00:23:49.700 They got the land illegally.
00:23:50.960 They exploited them.
00:23:51.920 They created black South Africans.
00:23:53.760 They created this terrible
00:23:55.160 racist system
00:23:56.680 of segregation
00:23:57.840 and exploitation.
00:23:59.400 And now look
00:24:00.000 what's happening to them.
00:24:00.840 They're getting what they deserve
00:24:02.200 or they're about to
00:24:03.260 and they're going to run away.
00:24:04.680 They are the ultimate cowards.
00:24:06.400 So I think it's,
00:24:07.560 I think it is just about
00:24:09.580 portraying white South Africans
00:24:11.760 as morally reprehensible
00:24:14.680 in every regard,
00:24:15.680 as evil,
00:24:16.600 as evil,
00:24:17.180 you know,
00:24:17.880 basically.
00:24:18.420 Do you think more
00:24:19.420 Afrikaners are going to
00:24:21.580 seek to come to the U.S.?
00:24:23.340 Well,
00:24:24.620 I mean,
00:24:25.140 I did some reporting
00:24:25.980 about this
00:24:27.000 at the weekend
00:24:28.980 and the weekend before
00:24:30.620 and I did read somewhere
00:24:32.040 that the U.S.
00:24:33.220 embassy,
00:24:33.760 I think,
00:24:34.580 in Johannesburg
00:24:36.560 said,
00:24:38.380 or Cape Town,
00:24:39.240 wherever it is,
00:24:39.800 said that
00:24:40.760 something like
00:24:42.140 70,000
00:24:43.380 white South Africans
00:24:45.240 have registered interest
00:24:46.380 in the program.
00:24:48.520 So,
00:24:48.760 I mean,
00:24:49.080 I think there are,
00:24:49.860 I think it's,
00:24:50.720 yeah,
00:24:50.920 I think it's like four,
00:24:51.920 there are four million,
00:24:53.100 I think,
00:24:53.540 white people in South Africa.
00:24:54.980 But yeah,
00:24:55.340 I think tens of thousands
00:24:56.880 at the very least
00:24:58.340 are interested in coming
00:24:59.920 and I'm not,
00:25:01.140 and I'm not surprised either.
00:25:02.580 So,
00:25:03.500 I mean,
00:25:03.840 this number,
00:25:04.640 this first batch,
00:25:05.840 59,
00:25:07.140 that's potentially,
00:25:07.880 that's a drop in the ocean
00:25:08.880 actually compared to the number
00:25:10.340 that might actually come
00:25:11.760 and I can assure you
00:25:13.020 if tens of thousands,
00:25:14.540 if 70,000 Afrikaners
00:25:16.660 come to the U.S.,
00:25:18.840 then there will be a collective,
00:25:21.160 I mean,
00:25:21.480 there's already been a meltdown,
00:25:23.620 but it will be,
00:25:24.300 it will be visible from space,
00:25:26.540 I think.
00:25:26.780 Also,
00:25:27.200 what would,
00:25:27.540 I mean,
00:25:27.760 what happens to countries
00:25:28.740 when they lose so many people?
00:25:30.300 Like,
00:25:30.520 we've seen that
00:25:31.120 with Central American countries
00:25:33.080 where a lot of people
00:25:34.320 come to the U.S.
00:25:35.140 and then the countries
00:25:35.840 are in turmoil
00:25:36.540 and they lose,
00:25:38.560 you know,
00:25:38.900 smart people,
00:25:39.920 industrious people
00:25:40.700 who are willing to make
00:25:41.720 that kind of leap of faith
00:25:43.700 and the next thing you know,
00:25:45.500 like,
00:25:45.760 the country is falling into ruin.
00:25:48.820 Do you think,
00:25:49.200 do you think South Africa
00:25:50.300 would be worse off
00:25:51.300 to lose all of these people?
00:25:53.220 Oh,
00:25:53.440 absolutely.
00:25:53.880 Probably.
00:25:54.100 South Africa,
00:25:54.760 South Africa will be like Zimbabwe,
00:25:57.580 but South Africa
00:25:58.820 is a bigger country
00:26:00.080 than Zimbabwe.
00:26:00.680 It's a huge land mass,
00:26:02.140 yeah.
00:26:02.440 Yeah.
00:26:03.320 A much larger population,
00:26:05.560 enormous,
00:26:06.600 you know,
00:26:06.980 infrastructure.
00:26:08.240 South Africa was,
00:26:09.100 has always been a much,
00:26:10.300 much wealthier country
00:26:12.540 than Rhodesia
00:26:14.160 and then Zimbabwe.
00:26:15.300 So we're actually
00:26:16.480 going to see
00:26:17.440 similar problems,
00:26:19.600 but on a far,
00:26:20.620 far greater scale.
00:26:22.320 And,
00:26:22.540 you know,
00:26:24.680 in places,
00:26:25.260 in Zimbabwe,
00:26:26.020 then what you've actually seen
00:26:27.180 is you've seen a lot of
00:26:28.580 black Zimbabweans
00:26:30.560 basically return to the land
00:26:32.280 and to a more
00:26:33.160 kind of tribal way
00:26:34.660 of,
00:26:34.920 way of living,
00:26:35.760 the way that their,
00:26:36.460 you know,
00:26:36.680 the way that their ancestors
00:26:37.660 had lived before them.
00:26:39.760 I don't think that you're
00:26:40.720 going to see that
00:26:41.340 in South Africa.
00:26:42.260 You've got these huge
00:26:43.700 urban populations
00:26:45.340 of very poor
00:26:46.600 black South Africans.
00:26:47.880 They can't just go back
00:26:49.560 and,
00:26:50.120 and live like
00:26:51.180 their tribal ancestors.
00:26:52.760 So there's going to be
00:26:53.620 terrible,
00:26:54.520 terrible unrest,
00:26:55.600 I can assure you,
00:26:56.880 if,
00:26:58.100 if the food stops
00:26:59.520 being produced,
00:27:00.500 if they can no longer
00:27:01.400 be fed.
00:27:02.920 And that,
00:27:03.940 I think,
00:27:04.200 will lead to really,
00:27:05.500 really terrible violence,
00:27:06.760 too.
00:27:06.900 And it will be directed
00:27:07.860 at white people.
00:27:09.900 It will also be directed
00:27:11.020 at the coloreds
00:27:12.120 in South Africa.
00:27:14.120 Like the Indians
00:27:14.880 and Pakistanis
00:27:15.860 who are there?
00:27:16.660 Well,
00:27:17.000 well,
00:27:17.300 coloreds are,
00:27:18.140 coloreds are a kind of
00:27:19.320 separate racial group
00:27:20.740 in between whites
00:27:21.860 and blacks.
00:27:22.520 And the blacks
00:27:23.740 in South Africa
00:27:24.300 hate them as well
00:27:25.400 because they're mixed.
00:27:26.760 So they,
00:27:27.220 you know,
00:27:27.380 they've got some,
00:27:28.580 maybe some white
00:27:29.420 ancestry as well.
00:27:30.640 They have their own
00:27:33.420 kind of subculture,
00:27:35.720 if you will,
00:27:36.280 or separate culture.
00:27:37.580 And they're usually
00:27:38.520 more successful
00:27:39.380 than just the straight
00:27:41.140 black South Africans.
00:27:42.600 They get a lot of hatred
00:27:43.840 directed towards them
00:27:44.820 as well.
00:27:45.400 And like you say,
00:27:46.440 yes,
00:27:46.680 the Indians,
00:27:47.780 I mean,
00:27:48.220 in Uganda,
00:27:49.280 then the Indians,
00:27:50.100 when Idi Amin
00:27:50.740 came to power,
00:27:51.600 then they were,
00:27:52.200 they were persecuted
00:27:53.120 because they were,
00:27:53.920 they were a very
00:27:54.720 successful minority.
00:27:56.540 So I think that,
00:27:57.300 yes,
00:27:57.560 I mean,
00:27:57.820 if South Africa
00:27:58.460 really does start
00:27:59.640 to break down
00:28:00.460 if you really do
00:28:02.120 get a collapse,
00:28:03.820 and I mean,
00:28:04.200 it's already collapsing
00:28:05.040 now,
00:28:05.540 you know,
00:28:05.740 you have rolling blackouts,
00:28:08.100 infrastructure is
00:28:10.000 constantly falling apart,
00:28:12.520 and you've got copper
00:28:13.180 cables being stolen
00:28:14.400 all the time
00:28:15.000 and transformers
00:28:15.860 being stolen
00:28:16.600 and anything
00:28:17.620 that isn't nailed
00:28:18.500 down and guarded
00:28:19.460 is,
00:28:19.920 is looted by,
00:28:21.400 by these kind of
00:28:22.160 roving gangs
00:28:22.920 of thieves.
00:28:25.060 Yeah,
00:28:25.760 you're going to see
00:28:26.340 serious unrest,
00:28:27.760 serious urban unrest,
00:28:29.380 lots of violence,
00:28:31.040 will be difficult
00:28:31.900 for the government
00:28:32.460 to control.
00:28:34.480 It's not,
00:28:35.040 it's not going to be nice
00:28:36.100 and it,
00:28:36.520 and it will happen.
00:28:37.660 It will happen.
00:28:38.920 Well,
00:28:39.360 thanks so much
00:28:39.820 for joining us today.
00:28:40.520 Why don't you tell people
00:28:41.260 where they can find you?
00:28:43.060 Yeah,
00:28:43.520 of course,
00:28:43.760 it's been a pleasure,
00:28:44.420 Libby.
00:28:44.720 So,
00:28:45.120 you can find me
00:28:46.320 on Twitter.
00:28:47.140 I'm raw egg nationalist
00:28:48.060 on Twitter,
00:28:48.580 babygravy9
00:28:49.320 is my handle.
00:28:50.440 I'm on substack,
00:28:51.800 rawegstack.com.
00:28:53.920 I have a magazine
00:28:54.860 called Mansworld,
00:28:56.000 which is
00:28:56.340 mansworldmag.online,
00:28:58.340 and I write
00:28:59.960 and report
00:29:01.580 for InfoWars as well
00:29:02.800 so you can find
00:29:03.560 my news stories
00:29:04.860 and opinion pieces
00:29:05.680 on InfoWars.com
00:29:07.100 as well.
00:29:08.000 Okay,
00:29:08.340 great.
00:29:08.620 Thanks so much
00:29:09.080 and be sure
00:29:09.680 everyone to
00:29:10.320 check out his article
00:29:11.880 in humanevents.com.
00:29:18.280 Great.
00:29:18.940 So,
00:29:19.640 thanks guys.
00:29:20.320 Thanks for tuning in.
00:29:21.480 Thanks for
00:29:21.920 hanging out with us today,
00:29:24.540 hanging out with me today.
00:29:25.520 I appreciate it.
00:29:26.240 I'm actually going
00:29:26.800 to be in tomorrow
00:29:27.420 and Thursday,
00:29:29.720 which is the day
00:29:30.600 after tomorrow,
00:29:31.380 so tune in for that
00:29:32.200 as well.
00:29:32.560 Tim's out of town
00:29:33.100 and I'd like to
00:29:34.680 throw to Russell Brand,
00:29:37.180 so enjoy that
00:29:38.640 and I'll see you tomorrow.
00:29:39.340 And we'll see you tomorrow.
00:29:39.820 Thank you.
00:29:40.620 Bye.
00:29:41.320 Bye.
00:29:41.800 Bye.
00:29:42.100 Bye.