Democrats Polling Hits ALL TIME LOW, MAGA CIVIL WAR Over Epstein ft. Mike Cernovich
Summary
On today's show, we have special guest Mike Cernovich join us to talk about the Epstein scandal and the implications for the Trump administration regarding the Epstein files. We discuss the implications of the Epstein documents, and whether or not they are related to Trump.
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Yeah, I always ask, what are they letting me talk about? Right? That's the big question that we
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should always look to as investigators. The dog that doesn't bark, what dog isn't barking and why
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isn't the dog? You know, for people who never read that Sherlock Holmes story, the expression comes in
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from that. They're trying to figure out who broke in and who was an intruder. And then they asked,
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well, did the dog bark? The dog didn't bark. Oh, that's how you knew it was an inside job.
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Yep. Right. So you're always thinking, you know, what dog isn't barking?
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Now, right now, it appears, my friends, the media is reporting that Trump is reeling from the
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accusations about Epstein and that his aides and allies are going to keep silent on the matter.
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But it is interesting because while this is currently going on, Deep State's James Clapper
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has lawyered up. Barack Obama directly addressing claims that he committed treason in a strike force.
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The split is massive. This country is facing something tremendous from a declining birth rate
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and now an all time rock bottom polling for Democrats and a split in the MAGA base.
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What comes next? Honestly, we don't know. It's a bit chaotic, to say the least. While many in this
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country are predicting some kind of civil war, where do we go as a nation when the highest factions of
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power, the highest echelon of power in the Democrat and Republican side are accusing each other of
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treason against these United States? With Democrats currently polling at rock bottom numbers, I don't
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know that Donald Trump needs to do anything other than make sure people have food on their tables.
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But it's tough because the Epstein story is not going to go away. It's not going to go away.
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And it appears that Trump believes his name may be falsely included in the documents based on the
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current mainstream reporting. So there it is, my friends. The question I have for you as we get
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into this interview and we break down what's currently going on. The current reporting right now
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is that the Epstein files contain unverified hearsay, nothing that could prove or be probable
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cause for an investigation into Trump, but makes it seem like Trump may have been involved with
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Epstein in rather disturbing ways. Now, most people, I think, want to see the files and know
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for sure. But with Democrats now in just unison, demanding the release of these files and with
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Trump claiming it's a Democrat hoax, perhaps there is something Trump knows that we don't.
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The reporting is that Pam Bonney told Trump his name is in the files. All of a sudden,
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Trump says we don't want the files released. Trump then says it's all a Democrat hoax.
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Could it be that Trump is responding to information we don't have that unverified
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hearsay included in these documents will smear Trump as somehow involved in the Epstein
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trafficking ring? Again, nothing that could actually criminally implicate him,
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but enough to damage his reputation in rather disturbing ways. Trump sees this and says they're
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lying. The Democrats under Obama put this information there as a time bomb against me.
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Now, without the American people knowing anything about this, Trump comes out and says,
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it's a hoax. It's a Democrat hoax, making him look worse. I don't know for sure.
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But I'm curious to ask Mike Cernovich. He's the guy who cracked this story open. He's been
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talking about it quite a bit. We're going to bring him in now. Let's boot it up.
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See if we can get it all working here and get the camera rolling and bring in Mike.
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All right. We got Mike Cernovich here. Mike, can you hear me?
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Right on. So we got it. We got a lot going on with this.
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We're looking at record low approval for Democrats.
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We're looking at reports of the MAGA base splitting.
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Gen Z maybe is upset with Trump. Maybe it's because Trump's not far right enough,
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So you've got Trump being accused by the Democrats, the corporate press of being in
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the Epstein files. Meanwhile, you've got the Trump admin basically accusing Barack Obama
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of treason. The two highest echelons of power, the Democrat Republican side accusing each other
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of high crimes. And so a lot to go through. But let me start here. Some of the reports that
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have come out have said that Pam Bondi has told Trump he's in the files.
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They say that there's unverified hearsay in them that may paint Trump in a negative light,
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and he doesn't want these files released. Trump's gone on to say that this is all one
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big Democrat hoax, insinuating that there is negative information about him in those files.
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I'm curious what your thoughts are on Trump's positioning in these files and what it means.
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We were we were told all this in February. I mean, back when we were at Shelley's. It's weird
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that the Wall Street Journal is reporting this as some kind of exclusive news. Anybody who was there
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and you and you should have been there will tell you that. So that's being repackaged as something
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that it's not. Everyone that's told, oh, here's the black book. That's what that was for people who
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are. I forget how old I am. For people who are younger, before you had an iPhone, you kept a book,
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black book, and you would write down everybody's numbers in there from business associates to people
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you knew. It's not some weird, you know, mysterious thing. Ivanka is not a bunch of a bunch of phone
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numbers were in there of random people. And that somehow spins out into Trump. You know, Trump is
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Trump is in the Epstein files, and he really doesn't want him out. I just don't think Trump was ever
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really briefed on the Epstein stuff. Anybody who was there's two, there's a big, a big tension right
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now, right now in like the MAGA base. And that is Trump's first term was not good. It was objectively
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like not good. People love to dig up my old tweets in that era, like they got me and are embarrassing
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me. And I go, oh, no, I stand behind. I stand behind all of those. And I was vindicated. It took a while
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to be vindicated. Because during Trump's first term, I said, why doesn't his director of
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intelligence release all the Russiagate files? Yep. So Tulsi Gabbard does that in 2025. And this
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isn't shade on Tulsi. Tulsi is great. But then people like, yeah, sick, based. Oh, great. So when
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you were yelling at me eight years ago to trust a plan, and I'm a never Trumper, and you hate me,
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things that I wanted done are done eight years later. You're like, wow, freaking off. This is all
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basic stuff. So it looks like, you know, the media is saying, I think it was, I can't remember if it
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was media or Axios, that Trump, oh, actually, everybody's saying this. Trump launched the
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attack against Obama as a way to distract from the Epstein files. Why didn't the Trump admin
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dump this stuff in the first term? Why are they doing it now? Well, Tulsi, again, that's where
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knowing the, knowing how the people, the moves work better is the, the fundamental understanding
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of Trump is Trump. Trump is about Trump. So you have to find a way to make things about Trump in
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a good way. The neocons are trying to force out Tulsi. Remember a couple of weeks ago, the neocons
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almost had her out. They said she was a spy. She was leaking information. They somehow convinced
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Hegseth to fire two or three people very loyal to him, a choice that he absolutely regrets. You got to
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remember the neocons were trying to push out Hegseth and Tulsi. So then Tulsi found a way in
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Trump world. You got to prove your worth, man. And proving your worth is how you make Trump look
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good. And, you know, I've had talks to other people. If you've been in the military or on a team,
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this is not like an insulting thing to say. Protect the quarterback. Trump's the quarterback.
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That's just what you, if you're a lineman, what do you do? You protect the quarterback. That's the way it
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goes. If you're in the military and you get yelled at, you get your butt chewed out. Okay. You just got
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your butt chewed out. Go talk to your wife and friends about it. Go wind down. Not, not a big
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deal. So Tulsi had to earn her keep, so to speak, by releasing this stuff. Trump has always been
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obsessed about Russiagate, which he should be. So, so the timing of that isn't related to the
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Epstein files at all. The, uh, on the, on the files, Trump has said it's a Democrat hoax.
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And with the report that Bondi told him, his name's appearing in it. And there's unverified
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hearsay. It sounds like she did. And then Trump looked at it was like, this is not real.
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Then truths out. It's a hoax to hoax. But without the context that his name appeared in it,
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it sounds like he's saying Epstein did nothing wrong. Yeah. It's been handled very poorly.
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There's, there's the narrative of what Trump is losing and he's losing it badly, especially
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amongst zoomers and, uh, the comedian podcaster circuit, which people can say what they will
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about it, but though that helps, um, in close elections, everything helps. And it's not being
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dismissive of anybody, uh, like that is, is bad. The Nelk boys are taking heat. Dylan sounds
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like Tim Dylan sounds like he's upset. And maybe, maybe I don't consider these people to be serious
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political thinkers or political philosophers, but they undeniably have an energy about them
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and aura that when you're in a close election, you, you want those guys or you want to be on
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the same side of them. They reach normies. It's pretty obvious. They reach, they reach regular
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people. Yeah. So Trump is losing the narrative war badly. Um, as someone who is familiar with these
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issues, like I know for a fact, neither Thomas Massey nor Pam Bondi has ever said, let's call
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in the people who have investigated the Epstein matter and get a briefing from them. This has
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just not happened. This is why a lot of people don't understand. I know you like Massey. I know
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a lot of people like Massey. Um, uh, but I've been talking about Epstein since 2017. Alex Jones was
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talking about it 10 years before that Jessica House and Habit has done detailed reporting on Epstein
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for years. There's none of these people, no, no, no, nobody from Massey's office, even when I was
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trying to get him to, or Rand Paul's office, they said, Hey man, what is this Epstein thing that all
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you people have been talking about since it's never happened? And then they're like, Oh, the Epstein
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files. And here's Massey with the picture of a binder. It's like, well, you don't even know what
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this is about. And the same thing is true with Pam Bondi. She doesn't know what it's about. She's got
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10,000 things to worry about, dude. Every day there's terrorist attacks playing on everything.
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So what you have to do is if you really cared, you would have people like me who I have time to go
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on a side quest, right? There are times where weeks at a time, people go, Oh, Cerno is really
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like falling off. What happened to him? You know, he's not relevant anymore. And then all of a sudden
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I come out and everybody's like, Oh, wow. It's like, yeah, because I, I have the, the leisure to just
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say, you know what I'm going to think about for the next eight weeks. It's just some weird issue.
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Well, this is funny. Cause I remember we had this debate with Ian. I talked to you about it.
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For those that watch Tim cast IRL, he said that he was basically saying, I'll keep it light. I won't
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bring the other guy in this, but that you are not significant. And I'm sitting here being like,
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we, the whole Epstein thing happening right now that is directly affecting potentially the midterms
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of the presidency is because Mike Cernovich filed a lawsuit and was investigating and uncovering the
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stuff. It's like, everybody expects you to be on X 24 seven filming videos so they can see your
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face. Otherwise you're not doing any work. But, uh, and that's why I think it's, it's,
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that's why we reached out to you. We want to talk to you about what's going on right now,
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because I think you make a really good point. So we'll bring it back to, to Massey, Rand Paul,
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uh, even Pam Bondi. You made a really good point with Massey. Uh, why don't they bring in,
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I mean, look, if they're not going to bring in you, they could bring in Acosta or, or any of these
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investigators or prosecutors. They could bring in Comey's daughter and have them testify
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and give statements, but they're not doing anything. I, it's, it's like they're, they're
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basically all we're getting is publish the files or don't. And even among the influencer base and the
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regular people, I think there's a serious oversight and perhaps we should all be calling
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for congressional hearings alongside the, you know, the, the release of these files. So we can actually
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have people be forced to testify about what happened. Members of Congress should do members
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of Congress things, which is subpoena witnesses, get people under oath, hold hearings, obtain
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information that can only be obtained from law enforcement sources. We don't need Thomas Massey
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tweeting out release the Epstein files. Okay, cool, bro. Cool story, bro. Last I checked, you were in
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Congress. DC Drano can do that. Tim can do that. The Sobit can, I can, we can all, we got that covered,
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brother. We got it covered. We don't need another guy on Twitter saying we got to release these files
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and posting pictures, do, do things that are congressional. And then you say, well, why
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didn't any, and this is why if you're, if you're looking at it from Trump's perspective, you would
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say, man, why, why didn't, because remember, Republicans had the house for a couple of years
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during the Biden regime for two years. So don't tell me, oh, we couldn't, we couldn't get anything
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done. So if you're Trump, all you're hearing is, oh, I'm, there's lies about me in these files.
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The people who hate me, Hakeem Jeffries and Massey are now saying we need to release these
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files. Obviously this is some kind of Russiagate thing directed at me, even though Trump's wrong
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on the facts of it. If again, that's where people who watch your show and other shows on Twitter,
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people forget, like you got a thousand things going on for a thousand things going on. If you're the
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president, a thousand things, if you're paying bondage going on, and if you're us, you can have
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only one thing going on. What, why is what I can't write my head around is why they're handling it so
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poorly. Right. So there's a report now out of media saying that the Trump Trump's aides and allies
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are going to go silent. They said, we're going to stop talking about it. So it goes away.
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And I'm sitting here thinking like, why would you publicly announce this? Why would you mishandle the
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PR around us in the first place? If Dan Bongino came out on day one and simply said, guys, it's an
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ongoing investigation. I wish I could tell you more. That would be the end of it. So what are
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they doing? I think there are people in the white house communications team who are way too worried
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about the Israel angle way more. Cause I've looked at things left, right, and center. And I even got
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called a massage show, which is like pretty funny for anybody remotely familiar with my body of work.
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I'm just like, there's no way Israel could run this without our intelligence agencies being a part
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of it. That's just not how, how, not how things work. But there's, there was like a, there's like
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a weird sign up where like Mark Levin, who was talking about the Epstein files a year ago is now,
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well, you can't, you know, you can't talk about anymore. So I think they got psyoped by the,
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oh, this is really going to damage Israel angle. And then they're pressing Trump to not talk about it
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because they're worried about that angle, which is of course only making things worse. I mean,
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the reaction, you know, I'm not one to talk about Zoom or gossip, like I'm some like cool guy in
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touch with things, but then the NELP boys really are getting their budge chewed out because they had
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Netanyahu on. Dude, I would interview Netanyahu and I would just ask him normal questions and then let
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other people dissect it because yelling at people doesn't work. Like, oh, you know, it's a genocide.
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No, that doesn't work. That gets you a clip that maybe like Anna Kasparian screaming at peers.
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Maybe that gets you a clip that your little group likes, but you just look kind of like a lunatic.
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Well, here's the hard reality, I guess, is people there, there, there are a lot of smart and good
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people who are focused, discerning and want to fix this country and the world. But there's a lot of
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people who simply want to see symbols of what they feel oppresses them be stricken, struck down.
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And so if you get a video of you berating a liberal or a liberal gets a video of them berating a
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conservative, they go viral. But yeah, the NELP boys are getting obliterated for having interviewed
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Netanyahu, which is, it's crazy to me. I mean, you're supposed to interview people. Is the argument
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that they have to yell at him the whole time because people hate the guy?
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Right. Sure. Because it's what you said. People want catharsis. The something, you know, Adam
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Towns and I read him a lot. He has a lot of interesting insights, but something that I didn't
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realize is that, and this is a role that I kind of quit playing for that reason is there's a false
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catharsis. So the NELP boys yelling at Netanyahu is going to go viral. And, and then that girl on
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breaking points or woman, whatever, Kyle Kalinstein's wife can crystal ball, you know, base,
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and you get your click little, no boys go off. And you have the thumbnail with like, ah, you know,
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with the big face and everything. And everybody can like turn that content, but that, that doesn't
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accomplish, that doesn't accomplish anything at all. But then the viewer feels like, whew, you know,
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I got some catharsis. Like, no, catharsis is if you really think the situation's out of control there,
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then you want the situation to change. Catharsis is not, um, that's what the false catharsis comes in is,
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whew, you know, I got this big resolution. It's like, no, no, you just got a, a hit of dopamine
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and nothing else, but that's what the audience wants. So a lot of people believe, we had Dan
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Bongino on Timcast IRL a year or two ago. And he said, many believe that Epstein is some Middle
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Eastern intelligence. Everybody in the comments starts laughing like Middle Eastern, bro. It's
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like, come on. The insinuation is that he was working for or with Mossad. Uh, do you not see
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any possibility of that? I mean, could it, could it be that he was working with us intelligence
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and tangentially with Mossad? It would have to be a joint operation. So the, and I'm, you know,
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I, this is all my gray hairs. What I'm trying to do, and that's why I get yelled at by the pro
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Israel side and the very hardcore anti-Israels. I'm trying to help people just have a well-rounded
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approach to these things. So if you're just calling him Mossad, so first of all,
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Eric Weinstein has said that it might've been Mossad. So if Eric Weinstein is saying that,
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then obviously, obviously the powers that be are not afraid of that being a talking point.
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So you would be, you would just say, well, that's like, Eric poses no threat to the regime
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or existing power structure at all. And he'll let you say it's Mossad and he'll even go down
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that rabbit hole. So maybe the Mossad angles the limited hangout, which is frankly what I believe,
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which enrages the anti-Israel people. Cause like, oh, you're, you're a Mossad. It's like,
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no, I think the limited hangout is that it's Mossad. That's the limited hangout.
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Can you define limited hangout for those that don't know what that means?
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Limited hangout is when you release a little bit of information to distract people from the,
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the bigger picture. And you want everybody to focus on that one piece of information and think
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that that is the complete puzzle rather than a piece of the puzzle. And intelligence operatives
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love to let you think that you're on to something big to keep you distracted.
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I talked about this with Pizzagate. When these WikiLeaks files get, these emails get released,
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you see a couple that are strange. One is Barack Obama ordered $30,000 worth of pizza and hot dogs.
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And then there was another one saying there was a handkerchief with a map on it. And what ends up
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happening is with, with, with the release of all these emails, you get all this information released
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at once. Then comes a few select posts on social media claiming that certain words mean certain
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things. And it took that story and threw it off in a faraway direction, which is classic spy craft.
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My argument was they probably uncovered, a lot of the emails probably showed that politicians were
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doing hardcore drugs and, and had hookers. And what they did was they, the intelligence agencies,
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the spies say, we need these people to sound like lunatics. So they do the limited hangout.
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They, they release a little bit of information that turns the conspiracy theory into psychobabble.
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And then no one actually can track down what was really going on.
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Or, or they, and what they did with that was so brilliant because, or they made it about something
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that we weren't even talking about. And then, then an event happens there that makes it so we can't
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talk about anything now because we were talking about the, you know, for, for people who are new,
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I always just say, has any time in your life, someone emailed you to say that you left a
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handkerchief, handkerchief with a map on it, right? What are we, the Goonies? And there's a treasure map
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on it. Get real here. But nobody even knows about that unless you're deep in lore and you watch people
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like Ian and, you know, you and a few other people. So everybody thinks that it was about the lie,
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which is not what we were even talking about. But by that lie becoming so salacious and, and
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whatnot, it made it so that we couldn't talk about the dominoes. Who says I was playing dominoes on
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cheese? Can somebody, can somebody explain that to me? I never, my first thought was that they
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were basically saying doing drugs with hookers and they're using, you know, coded language. So
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there's another fascinating element to this limited hangout play, and that is retroactive
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reputation damage. So they'll, they'll release a story and a hashtag. The best example is probably
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alt-right. So the phrase alt-right was being used back in like 2017 by a lot of people to generally
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mean new conservatives that opposed the Republican establishment. Once enough people were saying that
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they were alt-right, the corporate press then put out a statement to the AP that alt-right means you're
00:22:09.340
a white nationalist who wants a country for white people and to remove immigrants. Then they go back
00:22:14.640
to past tweets and alter the context to say, look at this conservative personality who admitted they
00:22:20.860
were a white supremacist. So they can do that with all of these, these campaigns. And, you know, to bring
00:22:26.680
it back to the news and what we're talking about with, with Trump and these files, there is a, as it
00:22:31.680
pertains to the point you're making about Mossad, I think you make a good point. And we've mentioned this
00:22:38.220
last time that they allow you to say it. They want you to say it. Maybe it's a limited hangout.
00:22:42.500
And then you see how fervent people get over the issue of Israel. It's almost like the blinders turn
00:22:49.100
on and they can't assess things critically that you're sure you can criticize Israel. It's fine.
00:22:53.380
But are there other factors at play that you're being blinded to by not paying attention to the
00:22:56.960
bigger picture? Yeah. I, I was asked what, what are they letting me talk about? Right. That's the,
00:23:02.840
the big question that we should always look to as, as investigators, the, the dog that doesn't bark,
00:23:10.000
what dog isn't barking and why isn't the dog, you know, for people who never read that Sherlock
00:23:13.360
Holmes story, they saw the expression comes in from that they're trying to figure out who broke in and
00:23:18.700
who was an intruder. And then they ask, well, did the dog bark? The dog didn't bark. Oh, that's how
00:23:23.280
you knew it was an inside job. Yep. Right. So you're, you're always thinking what, you know, what dog isn't
00:23:27.520
barking. And so when I hear like, everybody can say it's Mossad. I could tweet right now. It's
00:23:33.760
Mossad. And I would have the usual pro-Israel people mad at me, but they're always mad at me
00:23:38.040
for something. But then the anti-Israel people would love me all of a sudden. Yeah, Mike, you're
00:23:42.160
finally truth telling and everything. So that tells me that it's probably the Royal family. It's,
00:23:48.760
it's something, it's something above them. I believe there's, we, we got real, we, we've talked about
00:23:54.180
this before. I think there's something above what we're, what we're allowed to see, or maybe it's
00:23:58.740
dark and below. And those are what we can't talk about. Yeah. We can't like, for example,
00:24:04.420
if you talk about, even though every religion, Islam, Judaism, they call them different things.
00:24:10.260
Some Muslims call them Jin. Every religion believes in a supernatural and every religion believes in
00:24:16.140
angels and demons. But if you say, I think that there are people acting at the behest of demons,
00:24:20.960
you can't talk about, you're a Looney Tunes. Yeah. It's like, well, wait a minute,
00:24:24.800
you go to church or temple or mosque and you pray for angels to intercede for you and you pray to God
00:24:31.320
and Allah and you believe demons are real. But if I say that humans are interacting with demons,
00:24:36.300
like I can't say that, but I can say the side. I think, I think you make a good point with,
00:24:43.460
what do you call it? Super structure or something above what we perceive. It doesn't,
00:24:47.160
it could be supernatural. I believe in, I believe we've not even yet begun to discover the true
00:24:53.420
nature of reality. It's very, very minimal. But even if it, even if it's not, and it doesn't need
00:24:57.520
to be for, for those that are more, I guess, of modern sensibilities and they don't want to believe
00:25:03.720
that stuff, it's fairly simple that there would be a power structure that doesn't want you to know
00:25:08.940
what it's doing. And some, some we know the name of and some we don't. I've described it like we are
00:25:14.720
chickens in a chicken coop. And what I mean by that is I got chickens and I literally do not
00:25:19.520
care about their day-to-day business. They can act like that henna's in charge and that rooster's in
00:25:24.260
charge and I don't know or care. I go in every day, I take their eggs from them. And so long as they
00:25:29.360
produce, their politics mean nothing to me. But you know what happens when some of the chickens start
00:25:35.200
fighting, what do we do? We don't go in there and mediate. We don't negotiate. We put plastic blinders
00:25:40.900
over their eyes. Not a joke. We put blinders over their eyes so they can't see each other anymore
00:25:45.460
and it stops them from fighting. So I think there's a strong probability. There are power
00:25:50.160
structures that we can't see. That's why it seems like every time a new politician gets in,
00:25:55.200
they fall in line with certain policies that we all are mad about because the actual power structures
00:26:01.560
want their eggs. They want the product of the labor and they don't care about what you and I are
00:26:07.320
talking about. And so you make a good point about Mossad. They let you say certain things. But when
00:26:12.940
Donald Trump got impeached, if you even typed the name Eric Charmel on any social platform, they would
00:26:18.800
delete that instantly without notice. Now that was weird. Yeah. And it was, it was to such a degree
00:26:26.960
that MAGA people don't even know that I was the one who broke that story about Eric Charmela way
00:26:33.740
before it was the so-called whistleblower. People are like, cause you, cause you couldn't even say
00:26:38.240
it. And again, that, that goes to what are you not being allowed to talk about? And why is that?
00:26:45.140
And then of course the, I, I, I sort of believe that we could be, I don't want to believe it,
00:26:50.020
but sometimes I believe in my darker moments that we're just an energy farm and that's why we're
00:26:56.140
programmed to reproduce. And that's why it's so much harder to love than to hate.
00:26:59.440
So much. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I, I go down there, but even if you don't go supernatural and you only
00:27:07.360
look at, like, I always tell people, I don't know what the federal reserve does. I know I can tell
00:27:12.260
you what they tell us. They do. Right. I know the official story, nobody here. And then I know
00:27:17.280
people in wall street and then I find out how the federal reserve really works and you go, oh no,
00:27:21.340
they just, they just give money to these hedge funds at 0% interest and let them do whatever they
00:27:25.980
want with it. And these hedge funders then come on, on Twitter, like they're geniuses.
00:27:29.440
Financial, you know, that's why they're also mad at Tucker because Tucker has been talking more
00:27:33.860
about high finance and how it really works. So you don't have to go to where I am. I would just
00:27:40.240
tell it, say people, Hey, what's the discount window with the federal reserve? And how does that work?
00:27:43.760
You know, let me, let me just, you know, the last few minutes we got here as I, as I use this analogy,
00:27:48.400
yours is more like we are an energy farm, whatever. I use the analogy of the chickens in a coop, but
00:27:53.460
what happens when your chickens stop producing and you can't get them under control?
00:27:56.760
You call the flock, right? Do you think there's a possibility that if there is some kind of
00:28:01.480
superstructure that say Donald Trump gets into office and says, we're going to fix this. And
00:28:06.700
then they basically tell him, if you do anything out of line, we'll purge humanity. We'll wipe the
00:28:12.680
farm and start fresh. We will flood the earth or something that affect. It wouldn't surprise me.
00:28:19.440
I mean, look at what world war, world war two happened to world war two, right? And world war
00:28:24.100
one. And then you start to look into the, the lending practices happening in world war one. And
00:28:28.980
you look at the, that's also why the Mossad angle kind of annoys me is if you look at the sinking of
00:28:34.260
ships and everything, there's no like Mossad to blame on that. That's just why Anglo-Saxon
00:28:38.500
Protestants doing that. And cause there's even a video going around where like, oh yeah,
00:28:43.520
Cernovich is saying it's antisemitic to say it's Mossad. And if you watch the full video, it's no,
00:28:49.160
no, I'm saying that, that false flags were happening in white Anglo-Saxon America. So if
00:28:55.200
you have this unusual, or even if you look at the 9-11 conspiracy theories, even if you accepted one
00:29:01.620
part of it, you would still have to accept the Carlisle group, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush,
00:29:07.560
who was working with the Mexicans at oil interests. And people get really mad when you bring that up.
00:29:12.620
Or if you want to talk about open borders, you have to talk about Catholic charities.
00:29:16.660
No, no, no. But they don't want to hear that though. They don't want to hear about how the
00:29:20.280
Pope is openly open borders. And the Pope before that was, they only want to hear about what they
00:29:25.540
can say about Jews and the Jews and everything. Whereas what I'm trying to do, and I don't think
00:29:29.720
I'm winning. I think I'm losing badly on this. I'll admit that is I'm trying to say, if you take a
00:29:35.260
well-rounded group, a well-rounded approach, groups are acting in all sorts of ways. Multiple groups are,
00:29:43.480
I think what's going to happen, we're already watching this trend. Long-form content is starting
00:29:47.980
to weaken, and it's being replaced by these short-form TikTok shorts, Instagram reels,
00:29:53.220
YouTube shorts. I think the strategy from the elite is, the reason why Trump won't ban TikTok,
00:30:00.420
get everybody hyper-focused on random static noise, and they will never be focused enough to
00:30:07.700
interfere with our objectives. I think that's where we're headed right now, culturally.
00:30:12.480
Yeah, they play on you emotionally in a short bit. Because I've programmed an algorithm to be
00:30:18.100
really bad. And I'm like, thank God I'm almost 50. Because if I were in my 20s, had a crummy
00:30:24.480
apartment, a crummy job, was overweight from all this GMO food stuff, hormonally dysregulated,
00:30:31.020
you're trying to date, but they're flying out to Dubai and getting what done to them,
00:30:37.840
I'd be like, dude, I would be mad. I would really be mad. And whereas I watch it, I'm only slightly
00:30:44.960
Yeah. Well, Mike, you raise a good point. Next time I speak with, say, Massey or Rep Khanna,
00:30:52.280
if we do, we reach out to them relatively often, especially on this stuff. I'm going to ask them
00:30:56.120
exactly that. Why don't they bring people in for testimony, bring the investigators,
00:31:00.340
bring the prosecutors, bring people like you in to go over the research, and actually discuss this
00:31:05.100
in the public light instead of, it's a good point, release the documents, Mike Johnson won't do it,
00:31:09.520
then Trump says don't. And so you get talking points, and nothing actually ends up happening.
00:31:14.040
So I will do that. In the meantime, where can people find you?
00:31:18.760
Twitter, X, Cernovich, X marks the spot, Cernovich.
00:31:22.760
Right on, man. I really do appreciate you joining and talking about your views on this,
00:31:31.880
All right. Mike Cernovich, of course, he broke the story. He cracked it wide open.
00:31:36.280
I will say, I'm much more interested in talking about the superstructure systems.
00:31:43.020
Let's just put it this way. A lot of people are going to say, I don't care for supernatural.
00:31:46.840
Okay, it's fine. You don't have to. I don't like the word supernatural,
00:31:50.460
because you're basically just saying something we haven't discovered yet.
00:31:53.620
If it exists, it exists. If it's reality, it's reality.
00:31:56.380
If there is a spectrum beyond what we can perceive, and there is, it's called the electromagnetic
00:32:00.560
spectrum. But if there's another one, why would we call it magic? Maybe you can influence things
00:32:06.080
with your mind. I have no idea. But the point is, if it exists, it exists, and we have not discovered
00:32:10.240
everything. But let's just say you're of modern sensibilities, and you're like, I don't believe in
00:32:14.160
aliens or whatever. It's like, okay, fine. Why would there not be powerful individuals who don't want
00:32:19.760
you to know who they are? I'll give you one final story. I was hanging out at the casino. Hey,
00:32:23.920
hey, I like to play poker. And I was talking with one of the VIP liaisons. They said a guy comes in,
00:32:31.780
he burns like $15 million a year gambling. He's got two young ladies. He gives them each $5 million to
00:32:41.580
lose. They don't make the money. They literally just spend 10 grand a hand, lose the money, and then
00:32:46.460
laugh and walk out. And I'm thinking to myself, who? Who is this guy? Like, who are these people
00:32:53.280
that have money like that, where they literally don't care to lose $25 million in one year gambling?
00:33:02.440
It's strange, isn't it? An old guy with that much money has a lot of influence and power in this
00:33:06.580
world, and you don't even know his name. Aren't there going to be people like that you've never
00:33:11.460
heard of with tremendous power? I'm not talking about cults or cabals or magic. I'm literally just
00:33:16.180
talking about rich people you've never heard of. Bezos wants you to know who he is. Who are the guys
00:33:22.080
out there that don't? No idea. But I'm going to wrap up there, my friends. Smash the like button.
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00:33:31.720
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00:33:37.740
now. He usually is. Give a shout out to Russell Brand, who is live now, as well as Steven Crowder
00:33:43.040
in the Mug Club. I always want to just stress it every time I can. Guys, it is incredible that
00:33:49.280
through this Rumble morning lineup, this worldview that we live in has become the mainstream. There's
00:33:55.640
a lot of big news behind the scenes that I can't talk about, but I want you guys to really, I want
00:34:00.200
to stress, and I want you to understand this. The corporate press is capitulating. Barry Weiss's
00:34:05.640
the free press is apparently going around trying to get $250 million evaluation for a sale of
00:34:10.860
her outlet. Anti-woke. Now, the free press is certainly not, you know, hardcore MAGA, but
00:34:16.620
it defied the corporate press. I can tell you on our end, we've got organizations basically
00:34:23.120
telling us, corporate press, you've won. How can we do a deal? And we are laughing all the
00:34:28.980
way to the bank. This is it. This fake narrative machine that tried to play politics has failed.
00:34:34.360
Woke is broke. And the big companies are coming around and saying, what do we have to do? Now,
00:34:40.000
it's not everybody. CBS just put a billion, 1.5 billion in a South Park to insult Trump and
00:34:45.500
claim he's got a little wiener. How stupid. But there are big companies now realizing that
00:34:50.620
has lost. And people are clamoring for something reasonable. So we're winning. And I'm going to say
00:34:57.120
it's largely because a lot of you guys who watch, you share these videos, you watch the whole morning
00:35:03.240
lineup. We now dominate the top 10 news broadcasts in the world on Rumble, as well as generally the
00:35:10.900
top 10 of all live streams. We're in a down period for news because we're in an off cycle politically.
00:35:16.800
But still, the Rumble live streams are dominating the top live streams in the world. And big
00:35:22.120
interests, powerful interests are taking notice they've lost. And instead of saying we're going to
00:35:26.700
wither away and die, they're saying we want to catch your train before it leaves the station.
00:35:31.360
And you know what that means? It means we have the leverage. So thank you all so much for watching.
00:35:35.420
Stay tuned. More to come tonight, 8 p.m. Timcast IRL. And we'll see y'all then.