The Culture War - Tim Pool - Demonic Possession, Exorcisms, And The Soul Of America w⧸ Fr. Aaron Williams & Shayne Smith

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00:01:00.040 I was recently told a story by someone

00:01:07.060 who said that they had come to find faith in Christ.

00:01:10.360 I asked them what happened,

00:01:12.640 and they told me that they had lived

00:01:15.560 a pretty degenerate lifestyle,

00:01:16.760 they were doing drugs,

00:01:18.060 and they took it upon themselves to read this passage

00:01:20.540 where they would give themselves to Jesus Christ.

00:01:23.400 And they did,

00:01:24.380 and it resulted in them having an anxiety attack,

00:01:27.660 shaking violently,

00:01:29.460 and this guy said he was going to die.

00:01:31.700 He thought he was going to die,

00:01:32.380 and his girlfriend was worried about him,

00:01:33.820 and he was, like, falling on the ground and shaking.

00:01:36.580 And I'm like,

00:01:37.500 that sounds real crazy,

00:01:39.360 but I'm like,

00:01:40.480 I wonder if he was possessed, you know?

00:01:43.220 I do think there are evil forces out there.

00:01:45.360 Me, myself,

00:01:45.840 I am not a Christian,

00:01:46.720 but there are many questions that I do have,

00:01:48.920 and a lot of people have brought this up.

00:01:50.980 I think there are forces beyond our recognition,

00:01:53.380 beyond our understanding,

00:01:54.780 and I think it's fair to assume,

00:01:56.880 I mean,

00:01:57.660 humans didn't even know that radio waves existed

00:02:00.280 until, what, like the 1800s?

00:02:02.120 So there are forces that exist beyond our perception.

00:02:04.440 That's a fact.

00:02:05.460 In fact, when it comes to the Large Hadron Collider

00:02:07.260 and all the research they're doing in quantum physics,

00:02:08.800 we can't perceive any of this stuff,

00:02:10.100 but we know it exists, right?

00:02:11.640 Could there be something beyond?

00:02:13.840 I think for most people,

00:02:14.720 the answer is, duh, obviously.

00:02:16.340 For a lot of the secular people,

00:02:17.420 I don't think you can deny it,

00:02:18.280 because science says there is something else.

00:02:19.640 The question is, what is it?

00:02:21.260 Does it influence our behaviors?

00:02:22.820 And I actually think we need to bring back exorcisms.

00:02:26.440 To be honest, not that they went anywhere.

00:02:28.120 They're still happening.

00:02:29.540 There are stories about how priests

00:02:31.220 are overwhelmed with requests.

00:02:33.260 So we're going to talk about that today

00:02:34.200 on The Culture War.

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00:03:45.280 Anyway, my friends, on to the show.

00:03:47.420 We've got a couple of great guests hanging out.

00:03:49.460 Sir, would you like to introduce yourself first?

00:03:51.400 Sure.

00:03:51.740 So, Father Aaron Williams,

00:03:53.240 I'm a Roman Catholic priest

00:03:55.080 at the Diocese of Jackson, Mississippi.

00:03:56.660 I serve as the rector of St. Mary Basilica

00:03:59.340 and Cathedral Catholic School in Natchez.

00:04:01.540 I think part of why I'm competent to speak about this,

00:04:04.460 I recently served as a consultant

00:04:06.520 for a movie on exorcisms

00:04:08.200 called The Ritual, starring Al Pacino.

00:04:10.080 And then my academic background

00:04:13.140 is I'm working on a Ph.D. in liturgy,

00:04:15.560 so in Catholic ritual.

00:04:16.660 So I'm competent to speak about

00:04:18.660 how the church acts in these moments,

00:04:21.360 but I appreciate the invitation to be with you today.

00:04:23.160 Absolutely.

00:04:23.640 This movie is out already?

00:04:25.140 It did.

00:04:25.520 It came out at the end of May.

00:04:27.120 It's on Amazon Prime now, The Ritual.

00:04:29.580 Interesting.

00:04:30.060 Ooh, horror film.

00:04:30.800 I want to watch that one.

00:04:31.600 We got another gentleman hanging out with us.

00:04:33.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:34.040 Hi, my name is Shane Smith.

00:04:36.600 I'm a comedian by trade,

00:04:38.500 but I also am a former leftist podcaster 0.90

00:04:42.440 and all-around degenerate Satanist

00:04:44.920 who ended up converting to Catholicism. 0.82

00:04:48.400 And so now I spend a lot of my time doing comedy,

00:04:51.240 but also spreading the gospel

00:04:53.240 in any way, shape, or form I can.

00:04:55.080 So I am uniquely qualified to be here

00:04:57.920 because I have also experienced

00:04:59.580 many dark and nefarious things,

00:05:02.180 and also the light, so pretty good times.

00:05:05.620 Right on.

00:05:06.180 We also have Tate hanging out.

00:05:07.320 What's up, guys?

00:05:07.980 Tate Brown here.

00:05:08.840 I'm inquisitive Protestant,

00:05:10.320 so I'm excited to get an expert on the situation.

00:05:13.560 We were hoping to get Ian here,

00:05:15.420 but he is unfortunately sick,

00:05:16.620 and only because he'd be, like, freaking out

00:05:18.500 and saying crazy things at the same time.

00:05:21.920 But I guess we'll start with the first question.

00:05:25.900 Is demonic possession real?

00:05:28.500 Yeah.

00:05:28.900 I mean, you know, you mentioned earlier, right,

00:05:32.800 priests get calls all the time.

00:05:35.160 And I'll be honest, right,

00:05:36.420 I mean, the majority of calls,

00:05:37.620 the overwhelming majority of calls we get,

00:05:39.180 it's usually someone is,

00:05:40.880 they're struggling with something, right,

00:05:42.020 they're dealing with a mental issue

00:05:43.400 or someone in their family is,

00:05:44.560 and they're hoping we have the silver bullet.

00:05:46.860 But what I will say is,

00:05:49.280 recently in the United States,

00:05:50.500 we have seen a rise in demonic activity

00:05:53.300 and situations where the church will go and investigate,

00:05:56.760 and we determined that there's not another medical

00:05:59.300 or psychological explanation

00:06:00.480 and so the church can be involved.

00:06:02.720 It's become enough of a need in the United States recently

00:06:06.260 that a lot of dioceses, right,

00:06:08.920 so that's how the church organizes itself

00:06:10.740 under bishops in the U.S.,

00:06:12.460 a lot of dioceses are starting to educate

00:06:14.600 more and more priests in the right of exorcism

00:06:17.380 so that they can continue this ministry.

00:06:18.880 So we just had two priests in my diocese,

00:06:21.720 underwent training in Chicago for that.

00:06:23.980 And just this last year,

00:06:25.660 my bishop actually brought a group of exorcists in

00:06:28.940 to speak to all the priests in our area

00:06:31.360 just to educate us so that we can recognize.

00:06:34.680 What is happening?

00:06:35.760 What are you seeing?

00:06:36.920 You know, so I think there could be a lot of explanations

00:06:39.760 of why this is happening.

00:06:41.360 I think one of the reasons is we're in a culture now

00:06:45.420 that is accepting more and more degenerate lifestyles, right?

00:06:50.640 So we live in such an overly sexualized culture now

00:06:53.140 that, you know, and it's not just sexualized,

00:06:57.300 but it's sexualized in very obscene ways, right?

00:07:00.600 And I think that, you know,

00:07:02.640 that's one gateway that is allowed to it.

00:07:05.800 I think there's also, and you could speak to this, right,

00:07:08.120 there's even a heightened interest, so to say,

00:07:11.460 in things of the occult nowadays, right?

00:07:13.500 And witchcraft and Satanism. 0.85

00:07:14.980 I would even say, as people often say,

00:07:17.440 like we live in a post-Christian society, 0.88

00:07:19.340 we live in like an atheist society,

00:07:20.740 but I would go as far as to say

00:07:22.040 it's not an atheist society, it's a pagan society.

00:07:25.020 And the interest in like New Age things

00:07:27.860 and like spiritual yoga and witchcraft and tarot

00:07:32.300 and astrology and magic and all these other things,

00:07:35.040 that's paganism.

00:07:36.420 And obviously paganism is playing around with demons 0.82

00:07:39.460 and opening yourself up to spiritual things

00:07:42.600 you don't understand.

00:07:43.740 So that, and that's like wildly pervasive in culture.

00:07:47.520 I mean, every, four out of every five girls

00:07:50.600 you meet on Tinder have a crystal under their bed

00:07:53.320 or whatever, you know? 0.96

00:07:54.480 They have a shoebox with a freaking voodoo doll in it 1.00

00:07:57.300 or whatever, and they're reading the secret 0.83

00:07:59.680 and doing all sorts of weird like pseudo-magical things

00:08:03.400 that are very insidious and open yourself up

00:08:05.340 to like who knows what.

00:08:07.220 I mean, I remember when I was little, right?

00:08:08.940 I mean, you could see your horoscope in the newspaper,

00:08:11.520 but people just did that for fun, right?

00:08:13.020 It wasn't really something that people a lot of believe.

00:08:14.420 Now you go on Snapchat, right?

00:08:15.580 And they're going to tell you your astrology sign

00:08:17.540 on Snapchat when you, so when you meet someone, right?

00:08:19.600 I mean, we've reached that level

00:08:20.920 of sort of paganism and culture today.

00:08:22.840 Yeah, what's that app?

00:08:23.780 There's an app when I was a single person

00:08:25.780 that women would make you download 1.00

00:08:26.920 to see if you're compatible.

00:08:28.060 I know what you're talking about.

00:08:30.260 It's like about your sign or whatever,

00:08:33.020 and they take it so seriously, it's insane.

00:08:36.360 I can't remember what it's called,

00:08:38.040 which is probably good.

00:08:39.920 But in terms of the new training

00:08:42.820 and the increase in requests for exorcisms,

00:08:46.800 are you seeing things, like,

00:08:48.680 what are you seeing as unexplainable

00:08:50.520 or that defies?

00:08:52.060 So the things that the church normally

00:08:54.320 is going to look for, you know,

00:08:56.680 does this person have knowledge

00:08:58.060 of something they shouldn't have knowledge of?

00:09:00.520 You know, you have someone

00:09:01.600 who couldn't speak Spanish before,

00:09:03.680 but now they can, you know,

00:09:04.700 or you have an 80-year-old woman

00:09:06.900 that, you know, now she can lift 50 pounds, right? 1.00

00:09:09.780 It's never like Hulk level.

00:09:10.880 It's not like what you see in the movies,

00:09:11.960 but something that's unexplainable on that level.

00:09:15.600 One of the things that I've been told

00:09:16.820 to look for by a priest that's involved in this,

00:09:19.100 if I go into a house and there's something there

00:09:22.000 that they can't explain how it got there,

00:09:24.420 and you do see things like that every now and then.

00:09:26.100 Like objects that...

00:09:26.900 Yeah, objects, or just,

00:09:29.340 does anyone know where this came from?

00:09:31.680 Like a grimoire.

00:09:32.780 Yeah, something like that.

00:09:34.200 And it's like, I mean, I went into a house

00:09:36.540 five or six years ago

00:09:38.840 in a previous assignment,

00:09:41.140 and this woman was concerned.

00:09:44.060 She wanted me to bless the house,

00:09:45.080 and she said the weird things were happening there,

00:09:46.740 and then she wanted me to see this Bible.

00:09:48.580 And I was like, okay, well, let me see.

00:09:49.520 She opens the Bible,

00:09:50.540 and the Bible's hollowed out,

00:09:52.280 and you can tell that something had been smuggled

00:09:54.080 inside this Bible,

00:09:54.940 and she didn't know where this came from

00:09:56.280 or who it belonged to,

00:09:57.200 and so I took that from her and burned it.

00:09:59.300 Wow.

00:10:00.660 You'll find weird things like that,

00:10:02.600 or I was mentioning yesterday

00:10:04.760 when I came in from the airport,

00:10:05.820 just last month,

00:10:07.300 I was asked to go bless a house,

00:10:09.440 a family.

00:10:09.920 So I live in Natchez, Mississippi.

00:10:11.500 It's about two hours north of New Orleans.

00:10:13.040 Well, a family from New Orleans

00:10:14.720 bought this old house,

00:10:15.740 and they want to make it an Airbnb.

00:10:17.060 When they were renovating it,

00:10:18.800 they went into the basement,

00:10:19.680 and they found this sort of secret room.

00:10:22.720 It's under the front staircase of the house,

00:10:25.040 and when you go in this room,

00:10:26.520 I mean, there's a pentagram on the floor,

00:10:28.760 and you have a table

00:10:29.580 with a crystal ball in the middle,

00:10:30.900 and there's animal bones on the walls,

00:10:32.540 and so I took all of that

00:10:34.960 and got rid of it all,

00:10:36.000 and then they asked me,

00:10:36.580 what should I do with this room?

00:10:37.440 And I said,

00:10:37.720 I don't think you'd do anything with this room.

00:10:40.180 You leave it here.

00:10:42.200 But yeah, so you're seeing that kind of thing now,

00:10:44.480 and the thing is,

00:10:48.660 is when people learn about it,

00:10:50.320 they may not think it's cool,

00:10:52.220 but they think it's interesting, right?

00:10:54.040 And so people can get obsessive about it,

00:10:57.160 and that will lead you down a path

00:10:59.780 where now it's no longer just interesting.

00:11:01.720 Now it does become cool.

00:11:03.260 Have you witnessed people speaking languages

00:11:06.320 they shouldn't know how to speak?

00:11:07.440 So I haven't witnessed a lot of phenomenon.

00:11:09.880 I've seen some things

00:11:11.720 that I thought were weird enough

00:11:16.000 that I wanted to let the bishop know about it,

00:11:17.920 that kind of thing.

00:11:20.120 Trying to think of a good example of something.

00:11:22.180 I've seen supernatural stuff.

00:11:23.280 Yeah.

00:11:23.620 I mean, I've experienced supernatural things,

00:11:26.100 but when I was involved with this movie recently,

00:11:31.320 someone had asked in an interview,

00:11:33.200 they said, are you involved?

00:11:34.420 Are you an exorcist yourself?

00:11:35.620 And I said, my desire for that job is in the negatives,

00:11:38.180 because I'm glad I'm not at that level,

00:11:40.240 but I have priest friends that are, right?

00:11:42.980 So when they were calling me to be on the show, actually,

00:11:47.280 one of the things I said is,

00:11:48.460 it's usually hard to find a real exorcist

00:11:50.580 because they don't like to talk about it,

00:11:52.080 but I can talk about my friends' experiences.

00:11:55.180 And so, yeah, I'm convinced this is a real thing.

00:11:58.740 And I think it's something that people need to be aware of,

00:12:00.940 but it's also not something I think people need

00:12:02.620 to be actively afraid of or obsessive about.

00:12:05.000 I've heard that, obviously, you said,

00:12:07.220 one of the things that they'll look for is something,

00:12:09.260 like some kind of supernatural ability or something like this.

00:12:12.100 And there are stories, I believe they're more rare,

00:12:15.280 but there are exorcists and witnesses who say

00:12:17.720 they've seen weird things like levitation or things like that.

00:12:22.680 Is that real?

00:12:24.080 Yeah, I mean, I've heard of things like that.

00:12:25.700 Most of the time, like I said,

00:12:26.580 what I'm seeing is more of it's knowledge of something else.

00:12:29.880 It's they have additional strength or their voice is different.

00:12:36.600 Things that could be identifiable as signs of a mental illness,

00:12:40.640 but then when they're tested by a psychologist,

00:12:42.800 the psychologist determines that there is no mental illness there.

00:12:46.180 I started thinking about this because in the past several years,

00:12:49.880 like especially since COVID,

00:12:51.640 there are people that I've known my whole life that it seems like...

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00:13:33.720 In the span of a week, their personalities flipped.

00:13:36.740 They speak differently, they behave differently,

00:13:40.300 and they're behaving in ways I would describe as evil.

00:13:43.040 And it's shocked me.

00:13:44.660 And maybe, you know, for those that are out there

00:13:46.960 that are more secular agnostic, atheists, or whatever,

00:13:50.200 I don't know what you want to call it or how you explain it.

00:13:51.760 But I will literally say there are people that I've known my whole life

00:13:54.180 that I consider to be really good friends

00:13:55.360 that will send me a message being like,

00:13:57.460 how have you been?

00:13:58.040 Haven't seen you in a while.

00:13:58.920 You know, hit me up when you're back in town.

00:14:00.940 And then a month later,

00:14:03.220 it's sending me nasty, evil messages 0.98

00:14:05.460 saying you're going to burn. 1.00

00:14:07.580 Like, you deserve this. 1.00

00:14:08.820 You're sick, blah, blah, blah. 1.00

00:14:09.620 And I'm like, 0.93

00:14:10.360 that's just like a light description.

00:14:12.940 There are things that people have done to me

00:14:14.900 that have resulted in like legal action

00:14:17.380 that I'm like,

00:14:17.960 I don't understand how that's possible

00:14:19.940 that a person would become that so quickly.

00:14:22.680 And that freaks me out

00:14:23.860 because aside from things like that

00:14:26.140 where you could easily explain,

00:14:27.400 sometimes people go crazy.

00:14:28.440 I don't know, they had a stroke.

00:14:29.240 Who knows?

00:14:30.440 I've also personally witnessed things that,

00:14:33.660 and recently too,

00:14:34.420 I would describe as physically possible,

00:14:37.300 but defying what we would expect to be possible.

00:14:41.600 You know, I've not witnessed like

00:14:44.060 a crystal manifest before my eyes

00:14:47.220 out of thin air, nothing like that.

00:14:48.900 I have seen things that,

00:14:51.080 you know, they say in,

00:14:52.600 I guess in quantum physics and mathematics,

00:14:55.360 at some point,

00:14:56.720 all of the oxygen in the room will be on one side,

00:14:59.620 although that's trillions upon trillions of years

00:15:01.280 for that probability to happen.

00:15:02.540 I have seen things that I can only describe

00:15:04.460 as winning the lottery five times in a row.

00:15:06.540 So it's possible for these things to happen,

00:15:08.360 but it's almost unbelievable.

00:15:10.240 And then considering what we've seen in this country

00:15:13.500 with all the behavior,

00:15:16.020 I think people are letting in 0.71

00:15:17.800 some kind of demonic force or darkness

00:15:19.540 that's influencing their behavior.

00:15:21.120 Well, I think it was kind of like

00:15:22.160 what you're hitting on

00:15:22.760 is kind of this soft occultism that we're seeing,

00:15:24.960 where people are just incorporating

00:15:26.300 these just rituals into their daily lives

00:15:29.620 because they're trying to fill that void of spirituality.

00:15:32.200 Yeah.

00:15:32.800 Even beyond the tarot cards,

00:15:34.300 I mean, you're just getting like just weird stuff

00:15:36.900 that people have not incorporated in their lives prior.

00:15:40.240 Um, like daily affirmations.

00:15:42.380 Right.

00:15:43.160 Like Pilates and stuff like that.

00:15:44.920 And it's like,

00:15:45.780 they're trying to fill this void.

00:15:46.820 And I think that's heavily contributing.

00:15:48.760 Yeah.

00:15:49.000 It's important to know like what demons can do

00:15:51.360 and how they do it too.

00:15:52.620 Because demons,

00:15:53.760 possession isn't the only thing they do.

00:15:55.060 There's vexation, obsession, oppression, and possession.

00:15:59.060 Vexation is when demons are attached to objects

00:16:01.340 and move objects around

00:16:02.600 and affect our material world.

00:16:04.660 Obsession is when they affect your,

00:16:06.840 your mental health basically

00:16:08.480 and put thoughts and things in your mind.

00:16:11.000 Because demons' main thing,

00:16:12.400 they're spiritual beings.

00:16:13.260 They don't have a physical body

00:16:14.280 that they can manifest in physical places.

00:16:16.800 Uh, and so their main thing is trying to tempt you

00:16:19.160 and like push you into certain places.

00:16:21.500 But they, they're not like Christ.

00:16:23.980 So Christ can hear your interior life.

00:16:25.900 So you can pray silently

00:16:26.940 and Christ and the saints in heaven

00:16:29.380 can hear you through the power of Christ.

00:16:31.480 But demons can't hear your interior life.

00:16:34.080 But they can be inside of you

00:16:36.320 and poke around and look at what you're up to,

00:16:39.080 see how you're feeling.

00:16:40.600 And of course, they're super intelligent beings

00:16:42.800 that have a complete and total knowledge of everything

00:16:44.960 because they're immaterial spirits

00:16:47.280 that exist outside of time and space.

00:16:49.620 And so just by watching how you're acting,

00:16:52.640 they can kind of guess on what you're feeling

00:16:54.320 and how to push you and tempt you.

00:16:56.960 And so the idea is that they watch what you're doing

00:16:59.640 and they try to like push you towards certain things.

00:17:02.620 The more you sin, of course, in the Catholic church, 0.98

00:17:05.560 we believe the more you sin,

00:17:06.700 the more sin darkens your intellect. 1.00

00:17:08.580 So the more you sin, the dumber you get. 0.99

00:17:10.320 The most evil thing you've ever done, 1.00

00:17:12.040 that time you cheated on that girl you loved

00:17:13.680 and you're like, who was that?

00:17:15.180 I don't even know who I was.

00:17:16.820 Why did I do that?

00:17:17.760 Like you literally don't know why you betrayed your friend

00:17:20.360 or did some of the worst things you can imagine.

00:17:22.860 That's sin darkening your intellect. 1.00

00:17:24.900 That's you becoming basically drunk on stupidity from sin. 1.00

00:17:29.640 And demons push you into that space. 1.00

00:17:31.900 And the dumber you get, the easily they can manipulate you. 0.99

00:17:34.680 And then they push you towards behaviors 0.99

00:17:36.320 where you betray your friends weirdly or do crazy things.

00:17:40.980 Why?

00:17:43.000 Why did they do that?

00:17:44.120 The ruin of souls.

00:17:45.560 Yeah. 0.99

00:17:46.040 But what like, is it to get you damned, 0.99

00:17:49.020 to destroy God's creation? 0.99

00:17:50.960 The enemy is a punk, right?

00:17:53.100 And I use that line a lot, right?

00:17:54.780 So one, right, he's not a demigod.

00:17:56.640 And I think you made a very good point here.

00:17:57.940 So Satan is not reading your thoughts, right?

00:18:00.100 He's not like God.

00:18:01.320 Your interior life is unavailable to demons and Satan.

00:18:04.400 He's just extraordinarily observant, right?

00:18:06.520 But he already knows that he's lost.

00:18:09.340 And so what he does, essentially, right,

00:18:12.260 is he's trying, I guess, to lessen the weight of his defeat

00:18:17.140 by trying to bring all these people down with him.

00:18:20.300 And that's why I say he's like a punk, right?

00:18:21.800 It's the kid who lost the game,

00:18:25.000 so he wants to ruin it for everyone else.

00:18:28.380 He loves company.

00:18:29.380 Yeah.

00:18:29.640 That's the enemy.

00:18:30.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:31.300 And then demons can affect your sensorium.

00:18:33.940 So they can affect the way you see things or whatever.

00:18:38.380 And so that's why, like,

00:18:40.280 oh, what's that thing in the corner of my eye

00:18:42.060 or what's that creepy feeling?

00:18:43.780 And then they push you towards that.

00:18:45.380 And then they make you confused

00:18:47.340 because sometimes you did just see a speck

00:18:49.680 in the corner of your eye.

00:18:51.040 Sometimes, though, you're like,

00:18:52.220 I know for a fact I just saw a guy in the corner of my eye

00:18:56.280 and I feel like I'm not alone, like I'm creeped out.

00:18:59.020 But they keep you unaware, scared, and confused.

00:19:03.740 That's, like, the game.

00:19:04.640 That's the shell game they play.

00:19:06.560 And the end result of all of this,

00:19:09.120 for the people who go down that path or are influenced,

00:19:11.540 it's what, damnation or...?

00:19:13.540 Yeah, I mean, if they're influenced,

00:19:15.820 it's not that they're losing the life of grace, right?

00:19:18.920 And that they're led into a sinful life.

00:19:21.240 And yeah, ultimately, that's his goal.

00:19:23.220 But the enemy, right, he's crafty

00:19:26.040 and he's a master of deceit. 0.55

00:19:27.760 You know, a lot of times when we see

00:19:29.360 situations of oppression and possession,

00:19:32.720 the person who's actually experiencing this

00:19:36.620 is not always the target, right?

00:19:38.820 Sometimes the target is the priest who's involved, right?

00:19:41.900 So I mentioned in the car on the way over here

00:19:44.060 that we were listening to a recording

00:19:46.080 of an exorcism recently, some priests were.

00:19:48.460 And in this particular instance,

00:19:50.880 the priest was trying to ascertain the demon's purpose.

00:19:54.960 And so he kept asking, you know,

00:19:56.080 why are you here, that kind of thing.

00:19:57.500 And the demon sort of just sort of

00:19:59.460 began to repeat over and over again,

00:20:01.680 well, if you get the priest, you get the mass.

00:20:03.260 And if you get the mass, you get the souls, right?

00:20:04.860 And there's so many souls.

00:20:05.960 And so the goal here was to get at the priest, right?

00:20:08.540 Because if you can get one person,

00:20:09.560 then you get all of them, right?

00:20:10.780 And the enemy is trying to maximize the amount of people

00:20:13.980 he can get to sort of decrease his defeat.

00:20:17.860 And so, yeah, so the end game ultimately, right,

00:20:19.920 is the enemy wants all of us, right?

00:20:21.400 And so he's going to go for the most influential person, right?

00:20:24.860 He's going to go for the persons 0.99

00:20:26.240 to get the most people with him.

00:20:27.460 He's not, you know, going to look for the small victory, right?

00:20:31.080 He's trying to look for the big one.

00:20:33.940 Is there like an opposite force?

00:20:36.960 You know, people say angels and demons,

00:20:38.240 but is there an opposite pressure towards goodness or?

00:20:41.580 Yeah, I mean, that's angelic intercession

00:20:44.300 is the reverse of what demonic oppression

00:20:49.180 or possession would be.

00:20:50.920 So to pray to the saints in heaven

00:20:53.220 or to have angels intercede on your behalf.

00:20:55.980 God sends angels down to earth,

00:20:57.380 assigns us guardian angels.

00:20:59.120 So there are benevolent forces at work,

00:21:02.540 but of course, we're humans that come to our salvation

00:21:05.440 by many movements.

00:21:06.500 So angels come to their salvation or damnation

00:21:09.060 by one movement.

00:21:10.380 God creates them.

00:21:11.640 They have all the complete and total knowledge

00:21:13.680 they'll ever need,

00:21:14.580 but how they interpret that is up to their personality

00:21:16.960 and them as an individual.

00:21:18.420 So they make that choice immediately

00:21:20.100 to love God by his power, by their own power.

00:21:24.020 So angels can't sin the way we can

00:21:26.500 because they don't have physical bodies.

00:21:27.640 So the only sins they commit would be pride or envy.

00:21:30.920 And so probably a combination of both.

00:21:32.960 They make their decision.

00:21:34.000 They fall away from God.

00:21:35.400 They are living in sin, separated from God.

00:21:38.340 Sin darkens the intellect. 0.99

00:21:39.340 They become insane, which then makes them look crazy 0.98

00:21:42.760 and behave crazy to us, you know?

00:21:45.400 And then, so the reverse of that is when, you know,

00:21:49.100 angels come and visit us or, you know,

00:21:52.320 you're feeling terrible and you have the distinct feeling

00:21:56.180 a family member who loved you and could be in heaven

00:21:58.880 is comforting you or sending you a message

00:22:01.520 and Christ allows them to do that.

00:22:04.040 So that's the reverse of experiencing the demonic.

00:22:07.260 In order to exorcise someone,

00:22:08.840 do they have to want to be exorcised?

00:22:12.460 I would say, that's a good question.

00:22:15.220 So exorcisms are a, what the church calls a sacramental.

00:22:20.480 So I'm going to make this distinction

00:22:22.740 in order to make this explanation.

00:22:23.860 So there are seven sacraments within the church

00:22:25.900 and the church teaches that the sacraments

00:22:27.920 always are effective if they're done properly.

00:22:31.180 Sacramentals are effective

00:22:32.520 if someone is properly disposed to receive them, right?

00:22:35.940 So I would argue that the person being exorcised,

00:22:38.520 that they interiorly are desiring holiness and sanctity

00:22:41.880 and they're desiring deliverance,

00:22:43.680 even if the forces that are also within them are not, right?

00:22:47.940 Obviously the enemy doesn't want that to happen.

00:22:49.560 But, you know, it's not a case of

00:22:52.980 I'm going to strap someone down and exorcise them,

00:22:55.040 you know, that kind of thing.

00:22:55.600 Well, it's not going to work.

00:22:57.160 You know, you could do that with baptism.

00:22:58.560 You shouldn't, right?

00:22:59.260 Baptism would be effective 0.98

00:23:00.100 because God is the one who's acting here.

00:23:03.240 But in sacramentals, the Lord is acting through us,

00:23:08.060 but upon the grace of our dispensation, our disposition.

00:23:12.760 So yeah, I never thought about that,

00:23:14.140 but I guess that would be the answer.

00:23:15.420 The reason I ask is we were talking about this last night.

00:23:17.420 I mentioned it briefly before the show.

00:23:19.560 What would it look like if you tried to exorcise by force?

00:23:23.440 And I don't mean physically restraining someone.

00:23:25.020 I mean like trying to bless or drive out demons

00:23:27.780 from, say, some raging liberal at a protest.

00:23:30.660 It would look like the movie The Exorcism.

00:23:32.860 One of the ways in, correct me if I'm wrong,

00:23:37.020 but I'm pretty sure I've heard from priest friends

00:23:38.900 two very interesting things.

00:23:40.460 One, that one of the ways you can find out

00:23:42.480 if someone is possessed is by hiding the Holy Eucharist on you

00:23:45.280 or bringing a very holy object or relic near them

00:23:49.400 without telling them,

00:23:50.300 and they have a physical or odd reaction to it.

00:23:53.100 So if you put like the Eucharist in your pocket

00:23:55.100 and went and walked around a protest

00:23:57.400 and you were trying to be normal,

00:23:59.100 but people were like hissing at you

00:24:00.700 or trying to attack you,

00:24:01.600 that might be an indicator.

00:24:04.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:04.720 Is that not in any way like sacrilegious or blasphemous to do?

00:24:08.540 Yeah, I probably wouldn't carry the blasphemous.

00:24:10.280 Yeah, you can't just have it.

00:24:11.340 I don't know how you would get it.

00:24:12.440 You wouldn't do that.

00:24:13.720 I did see a video actually on Instagram just last week.

00:24:16.300 It was a woman in Russia was in a church

00:24:19.320 and she was brought in contact with a relic

00:24:21.280 and just immediately she was having

00:24:22.580 a vehement physical reaction to this.

00:24:24.400 So that sort of thing, we do see it.

00:24:28.620 Funny enough, I can tell a story on the flip side.

00:24:30.660 An exorcist told me one way he can tell

00:24:32.940 someone's faking it because that also happens sometimes

00:24:34.940 is he has a copy of Green Eggs and Ham written in Latin

00:24:39.380 and he'll begin reading it and see how they react

00:24:42.520 and if they're reacting visibly, he's like,

00:24:43.980 how do you write Green Eggs and Ham?

00:24:49.560 It's incredible.

00:24:51.220 Well, because you see these videos on Instagram a lot,

00:24:53.140 specifically out of like Africa

00:24:54.700 and it'll be a guy just going,

00:24:56.120 and people are flying backwards and that sort of thing.

00:24:59.020 And you see that and you're like,

00:25:00.440 something's missing here.

00:25:01.760 There's a little bit of performativeness.

00:25:02.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:04.140 Yeah, yeah, it's strange.

00:25:05.240 I mean, that's like overly performative or whatever.

00:25:08.580 The other interesting thing a priest friend had told me

00:25:12.020 and I've heard from other priests,

00:25:13.380 and again, forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn,

00:25:16.040 but is that it's actually a spiritual gift

00:25:18.220 to come in contact with a demon or the devil

00:25:21.720 in the long term because you are having a situation

00:25:25.600 where you're confronting evil directly

00:25:27.960 and experiencing it in such a way

00:25:29.480 that it galvanizes your faith forever.

00:25:31.880 Whereas like that's why people who reject God or whatever,

00:25:36.100 like I've never seen a ghost.

00:25:37.400 I want to see it.

00:25:38.260 I want to have an experience,

00:25:39.520 but I just can't have one.

00:25:40.820 Why would the devil do anything to you?

00:25:43.600 He already won.

00:25:44.580 You're gone.

00:25:45.480 He doesn't need you.

00:25:46.480 He's not going to galvanize your faith.

00:25:47.980 He's not going to make you feel like things are real.

00:25:50.660 He's going to leave you in your lane to keep sinning.

00:25:53.000 And the enemy also, he doesn't want his presence to be known.

00:25:57.520 Exactly.

00:25:58.020 Because that foils his plan, right?

00:25:59.880 So he's not going to go around and have people start doing things

00:26:03.920 that are going to allow him to be manifest to someone, right?

00:26:08.760 I mean, he wants to hide that.

00:26:10.320 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:10.580 I think for a lot of what we would describe as like default liberals,

00:26:14.740 normies, I'll call them normies,

00:26:15.640 because they don't necessarily have to be just liberal.

00:26:17.660 But if they actually,

00:26:19.700 so let's say someone is living in sin,

00:26:21.860 they're doing things that are driving them towards a darkness.

00:26:24.620 I think there's a good amount of people that if they actually saw the demon

00:26:28.200 manifest before their eyes, they'd turn around immediately.

00:26:31.180 I think deception is required to push people towards darkness because

00:26:35.040 I think people actually understand that if a demon is trying to entice you

00:26:41.680 to do bad things, it's going to be bad for you.

00:26:44.940 And so there's a deception and no, no, what you're doing is good.

00:26:47.780 You're the good guy.

00:26:48.620 Trust me.

00:26:49.080 Keep doing what you're doing.

00:26:50.600 Yeah.

00:26:50.680 You also like, like I used to practice a type of magic and I was like a

00:26:56.780 member of the temple of Satan or whatever.

00:26:58.060 And you tell yourself, well, it's aesthetic.

00:26:59.880 Nah, this is like a cringe, funny,

00:27:02.540 heavy metal looking organization that does political activism.

00:27:05.260 I'm not engaging in real Satanism.

00:27:07.860 And then you're doing like weird magic stuff because girls think it's cool 1.00

00:27:11.520 or whatever.

00:27:12.080 And you're like, well, it's like goofy, but maybe if it works, who knows?

00:27:15.820 And then you're like, well, the secret works, this will work.

00:27:17.680 It's like harmless.

00:27:18.300 And then you're experiencing like dark, you're, you know, trying to go pee at

00:27:22.160 night and you're like overcome with a complete and total sense of dread.

00:27:26.460 Like there's something waiting for you on the other side of the door.

00:27:29.320 Have you ever, you know, when you're a kid and you're so scared that you're

00:27:31.880 like, this is real, this is happening to me.

00:27:33.980 This is real.

00:27:34.760 I'm the most terrified I've ever been blanket over your head.

00:27:37.960 Like, of course, uh, to have that feeling as an adult is like indicative of

00:27:42.660 like something real is happening to me, but you like, uh, you just explain it away.

00:27:47.600 The same way, like, cause it's just what we're designed to do.

00:27:50.840 You're just like, ah, I'm just being weird.

00:27:52.900 What isn't really happening.

00:27:54.740 One of the things that's crazy to me is that there are endless stories from humans about

00:27:59.000 supernatural phenomenon in a variety of, of, of, of fashions.

00:28:02.540 It's not always just about like exorcism or whatever, but there are people who explain

00:28:05.800 I've witnessed this thing.

00:28:07.460 And yet it is still in the mainstream.

00:28:10.820 We don't believe any of it.

00:28:12.400 That, that, that's not true.

00:28:13.980 Yeah.

00:28:14.580 Uh, because you never experienced it.

00:28:16.740 It's, it's funny because when you think about how, uh, scientists will explain oxid, uh, oxidization

00:28:24.020 process through hemoglobin or whatever in your body, you're like, that's correct.

00:28:27.360 Cause everyone tells you it's correct.

00:28:28.980 But then when you have people all tell you stories of, I have witnessed something, we

00:28:34.020 are basically meant to believe that can't be true.

00:28:36.940 We ignore it.

00:28:37.840 And that's, that's, that's, that seems weird.

00:28:40.160 It's illogical.

00:28:41.120 Yeah.

00:28:41.320 Well, so I, first I would say that there's so much about the world we don't know.

00:28:44.920 Like for instance, we, um, we don't even understand like why we yawn fully.

00:28:50.540 Right.

00:28:50.820 We don't understand.

00:28:51.760 So, but yeah, right.

00:28:53.560 So, but the, um, the, the response I would give to that is okay.

00:28:57.440 First, you know, so people could ask the question, you know, for instance, why doesn't God just

00:29:01.120 manifest himself over the whole world and everyone, you know, like announced through

00:29:04.780 a trumpet that he's God and everyone will believe in him.

00:29:06.580 Well, one, God desires that we have free will because he desires us to love him.

00:29:11.360 Right.

00:29:11.780 Not just to accept and believe in him and fear him.

00:29:14.020 Right.

00:29:14.440 He wants us to love him.

00:29:15.320 And if you're going to love someone, you have to love them freely.

00:29:17.280 Right.

00:29:17.480 You can't, you know, go up to the girl you like and put a gun to her and say, love

00:29:20.740 me.

00:29:20.960 Right.

00:29:21.100 And she's not going to actually love you.

00:29:22.220 And if she says it.

00:29:23.120 Right.

00:29:23.720 So, uh, in order for us to authentically choose God, we have to have the ability to choose

00:29:29.000 other than God as well, or you have to have that complete freedom.

00:29:31.780 Right.

00:29:32.140 So God permits evil to exist ultimately so that we have the ability to choose him freely.

00:29:36.640 Right.

00:29:36.940 So, um, these manifestations, right.

00:29:40.280 Sometimes there's, there's a reason for it.

00:29:42.780 Um, that this person, they need the effect of this grace or they need the experience of this,

00:29:46.560 um, to prevent them from making some decision down the road or whatever it is in

00:29:50.220 God's providence.

00:29:50.900 But for the overwhelming majority of us, we just need to have normal lives and, and

00:29:55.600 have the experience of learning to pray and learning, uh, you know, the teachings of the

00:29:59.580 church or whatever it is.

00:30:00.440 And that will be enough for us to have the ability to make that decision.

00:30:04.000 Um, it, it, it feels like recently good is winning.

00:30:10.560 However, I'm curious as to why, you know, I went to, um, where was I?

00:30:14.800 Shepherdstown or whatever.

00:30:16.040 They have a church up there with the progress pride flag.

00:30:19.720 And so this is not just the gay rights flag.

00:30:22.260 It's got the weird colors on it.

00:30:23.780 It's got the fist and all of that.

00:30:25.620 This is not a church that's going to teach you good morals or biblical values.

00:30:29.740 It's going to, it's going to espouse degeneracy.

00:30:32.640 How does this happen?

00:30:33.780 How does the church actually succumb to this itself?

00:30:36.000 It's so widespread.

00:30:37.160 So, I mean, I, I can't speak to what, um, you know, other groups are doing.

00:30:41.640 It's not a Catholic church, by the way.

00:30:42.780 Yeah.

00:30:42.980 I mean, one of the, one of the reasons, I mean, obviously, right.

00:30:45.040 I mean, there, there are Catholics who are going to individually believe these sort of

00:30:48.300 things.

00:30:48.500 But one of the reasons I am Catholic is because the, the, the teaching of the church,

00:30:52.280 right, is that one, you, we can't change the church's teachings, right?

00:30:56.440 There's, we don't have the authority to change the church's teachings because they belong

00:30:59.020 to God.

00:30:59.620 And so even if this individual person is espousing this belief, right.

00:31:03.800 And there are people in the Catholic church that do that.

00:31:06.080 That's not the teachings of the church, right?

00:31:07.640 You can't change that.

00:31:09.020 And, um, that's, like I said, I, I appreciate the firm foundation of that.

00:31:13.220 Now, you know, to kind of speak more to your question, I think, especially in the United

00:31:16.600 States, um, where we are seeing, I think within the culture overall, a sort of return

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00:31:51.680 Um, uh, traditional values and that kind of thing, especially on young people.

00:31:54.580 Um, but I also think that, um, sort of liberalism in itself is becoming a religion, essentially,

00:32:04.280 you know, and, and so why is it affecting the church?

00:32:08.380 Well, because we are treating it, you know, as, as a religion, abortion is becoming like

00:32:12.960 the liberal sacrament in some way.

00:32:14.520 Right.

00:32:14.840 Um, and, and so, yeah, I would say it's, it's taken this sort of religious, this cultic

00:32:20.040 approach to it.

00:32:21.180 Abortion and the most prolific demon in human history, it relishes in human child sacrifice. 0.75

00:32:27.740 So that's pretty cool.

00:32:28.660 Which one is that?

00:32:29.340 Moloch.

00:32:29.840 I was, I thought that was going to be, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:31.740 I mean, he was, uh, so prolific in, um, uh, in, during the Peloponnesian Wars when the

00:32:38.780 Romans got down to, uh, what a Carthage or whatever, and they saw what they were up to.

00:32:44.120 It was so disgusting to even the pagan Romans that they obliterated their society forever 1.00

00:32:49.420 so that no one would ever even know about what they were up to.

00:32:53.980 You, you, we don't even know like what languages they spoke entire, like they obliterated them. 0.97

00:33:00.380 And that's how appalled they were at what they found they were doing for demons.

00:33:05.160 But yeah, it's a crazy thought.

00:33:07.260 So there, there, there are specific named known demons.

00:33:11.160 Yeah.

00:33:11.660 I mean, so, you know, whenever an exorcist, um, performance exorcism, one of the things

00:33:16.540 that he's meant to do is ascertain the name of the demon.

00:33:19.940 Um, names have a power, right?

00:33:22.040 I actually, I preached about this, uh, last week during one of our daily masses, but, you

00:33:25.980 know, I give an example, right?

00:33:26.980 Um, you say you're in love with a girl and you hear your name.

00:33:30.160 And her voice, right?

00:33:31.220 That has more power than someone else saying your name.

00:33:34.580 Right.

00:33:34.780 So, um, having the identity of the demon also tells us a little bit about who this demon

00:33:38.920 is or why they're acting.

00:33:40.720 Um, so yeah, so that's, that'll be an example.

00:33:42.580 So I think a lot of people are familiar with, with Moloch.

00:33:46.260 Yeah.

00:33:46.720 There was like, what, weren't they going like the Bohemian Grove and worshiping a giant

00:33:50.760 Moloch statue or what was that?

00:33:52.320 Yeah.

00:33:52.920 Yeah.

00:33:53.340 He's that one.

00:33:54.240 And if you look, Hillary Clinton also sacrifices a chicken to Moloch.

00:33:57.820 In one of her emails, that's confirmed.

00:33:59.360 You can look it up.

00:34:00.760 I'm not joking.

00:34:01.860 Look it up.

00:34:03.020 She says, I'll sacrifice a chicken to Moloch for you.

00:34:06.060 Is she joking?

00:34:07.340 No, I don't know what the joke would be.

00:34:10.240 That's crazy.

00:34:11.420 Yeah.

00:34:11.600 Yeah.

00:34:11.740 Look it up.

00:34:12.340 It's wild.

00:34:13.700 Unless I'm on some conspiracy theory stuff, but I'm pretty sure it was real.

00:34:17.740 Tom Brady's wife supposedly would put these sort of Wiccan altars together in the, uh, 0.83

00:34:23.040 the club level of games whenever he would play.

00:34:25.460 And I, and I remember when he played in new Orleans, um, one of my friends who works with

00:34:30.280 the saints is Catholic priest down there.

00:34:31.880 He's like, I felt like I needed to go through the whole superdome afterwards and bless the

00:34:34.320 whole building because she had been there.

00:34:36.200 I don't know how to find this.

00:34:38.060 But as far as like demons with names, demons are also of different orders of power the

00:34:42.720 same way angels are.

00:34:44.060 So angels are more or less powerful.

00:34:47.040 And of course, heaven is organized in a hierarchy because that's how God works.

00:34:51.620 And everyone in the hierarchy serves the people below them because to have power and to, to,

00:34:58.580 uh, be in charge is inherent is to serve.

00:35:02.300 That's like the good.

00:35:03.400 And the reverse of that is to dominate.

00:35:05.940 And so evil people who are in charge, they dominate as opposed to what a benevolent King

00:35:11.260 should do, which is to serve.

00:35:12.660 So there are different angels of different ranges of power in order to, in order of magnitudes

00:35:17.600 or whatever.

00:35:17.980 And some of the demons are fallen angels who are more or less powerful, you know, and there's

00:35:24.100 like conjecture that Satan was a throne, one of the most powerful, uh, choirs of angels,

00:35:30.420 which again, makes it so funny that he was smited by Michael who was of, of, of, yeah, which

00:35:37.160 is the second rank, but not supposedly as powerful as Satan, but stepped up to him and was like,

00:35:42.080 bring it on big boy.

00:35:44.600 Yeah.

00:35:45.000 So continuing the topic of the names real quick is, so the names of angels tell a bit

00:35:49.260 about their power, right?

00:35:50.120 So Michael means who is like God, right?

00:35:52.280 And he's, he's defending the person of God, right?

00:35:54.280 So the name Lucifer, right, with light bearer, the idea that, that Satan's original task,

00:35:59.600 right, was to be the one to bear light and truth, right?

00:36:02.060 And so he's doing the total opposite, right?

00:36:03.340 It's darkness and, and...

00:36:04.400 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:04.780 ...and policy.

00:36:05.380 So it wasn't Hillary Clinton, it was, um, the email we have from WikiLeaks, I got it

00:36:10.640 pulled up right here, it's, uh, Louis Amselm, who wrote, with fingers crossed, the old rabbit's

00:36:16.920 foot out of the box in the attic, I will be sacrificing a chicken in the backyard to Moloch. 0.94

00:36:21.560 Who did he send that to?

00:36:23.640 Huma Abedin?

00:36:24.360 From, from, from H.

00:36:27.620 So this is, uh...

00:36:28.660 I thought this was one of Hillary's leaked emails.

00:36:30.720 Look, it says from Anselm.

00:36:32.140 Oh.

00:36:33.080 Yeah, so it was a forwarded email, I guess.

00:36:36.860 Uh, unless...

00:36:40.840 It's talking, the email talks about Secretary Clinton, I doubt she would.

00:36:45.500 Okay, yeah.

00:36:46.440 So apparently...

00:36:47.260 Was it, was it sent to her?

00:36:49.980 Uh...

00:36:50.580 So strange.

00:36:51.360 Even the fact that someone is sending emails from a government account saying that they're

00:36:56.920 sacrificing chickens to demons, probably not great.

00:37:00.760 Right.

00:37:01.120 I would like zero political people in America to be doing any sort of demon worship.

00:37:08.600 Yeah, that's ideal.

00:37:09.680 Yeah.

00:37:10.100 What, they're one degree separated?

00:37:11.380 That's supposed to make me feel better?

00:37:12.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:37:13.460 I'm gonna, I'm gonna read this, because I think the context is interesting and important,

00:37:17.140 so we can understand, some people are gonna dismiss, he was joking, right?

00:37:19.980 He was joking, here's the email.

00:37:21.020 Okay.

00:37:21.640 It says,

00:37:21.960 Beal called a little late, little after 1.30 p.m. to say a meeting with the de facto

00:37:24.840 envoys had been abruptly canceled, but perhaps a, but for perhaps a positive reason.

00:37:30.300 Micheletty has asked about half the team to return to Tagucigalpa.

00:37:35.620 I don't know how to pronounce that.

00:37:36.920 Corral has stayed.

00:37:37.760 Okay, I'm not gonna read through this, but you get the point.

00:37:39.240 It seems very straightforward.

00:37:40.900 The envoys seemed confident they would get M to sign the SJ Accord.

00:37:44.560 Skipping overhead.

00:37:45.160 Just before speaking to me, Beal had spoken with Arias, who expressed cautious optimism that we might have to, might have a breakthrough.

00:37:51.820 Arias told Beal to tell us that if that happens, the United States gets more credit.

00:37:55.440 Arias said the U.S. has played the game exactly right, with the approximate mix of carrot sticks, toughness, and unified message, even-handedness, and above all, good timing.

00:38:01.760 Once again, this seems like a very straightforward, boring political email.

00:38:06.620 Beal said he was extremely complimentary of the great political instincts shown by Secretary Clinton.

00:38:11.920 With fingers crossed, the old rabbit's foot out of the box in the attic, I will be sacrificing a chicken in the backyard to Moloch. 0.51

00:38:17.180 I think what the response is going to be is, he's saying, we want to get these accords signed, and I'm doing literally every superstitious thing I can to make sure it happens.

00:38:25.260 It's just really wild that the superstitious thing he picked was an accurate use of magic to a demon.

00:38:34.080 Why do you know how to do magic for a demon?

00:38:38.740 The rabbit's foot out of the box inside of the attic is a very specific thing.

00:38:44.800 But fingers crossed is a Christian symbol, isn't it? 0.88

00:38:48.960 Like crossing your fingers is to make a cross with your body?

00:38:51.460 Superstition is a sin.

00:38:52.620 Yeah.

00:38:53.320 So you don't need superstition.

00:38:55.300 You got Jesus, baby.

00:38:57.820 Even the rabbit's foot, it's like, okay, you know, that's funny, ha-ha.

00:39:01.100 And then he's like, oh, and then like, I don't know, sacrifice a chicken to Moloch.

00:39:03.680 You're like, whoa, dude.

00:39:04.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:05.120 That escalated really quick.

00:39:06.180 I mean, it also is kind of inappropriate for a work email to be like, I'm not going to go out and say I think this is evidence the guy's actually doing it.

00:39:15.680 Right.

00:39:15.960 But I would say to somebody who was emailing jokes like that, like, let's be real, I'm not going to go to someone and say, hey, don't put these weird jokes in there.

00:39:25.760 But if it was a common thing, I'd be like, it's probably not appropriate for work to be like making jokes like this when we're talking about political accords.

00:39:32.560 I would be like, I need to come to your house and see what your chicken situation is, actually, before I, like, keep getting these emails.

00:39:39.940 Yeah.

00:39:41.580 Yeah, this is, it's about Honduras, I guess.

00:39:44.680 But, you know, the thing is.

00:39:47.260 Did that work out?

00:39:48.020 Do we know?

00:39:49.300 Oh, I don't know.

00:39:50.780 This is from 2009.

00:39:52.220 What a weird thing.

00:39:53.420 So here's the other thing.

00:39:54.240 The cremation of care.

00:39:55.920 Talking about the Bohemian Grove.

00:39:57.140 Apparently, like, people have gone there and secretly filmed it, and what they say is it's not explicitly that they're worshipping Moloch.

00:40:05.320 They're doing a performance to a Moloch-like deity.

00:40:09.300 But it's all just very weird when you find out that powerful, wealthy people go into the middle of the woods and put on robes and do this kind of, like, weird ceremony.

00:40:17.340 And the response you get, the first thing that they said was, this isn't true, it's made up, it's fake, it's a conspiracy theory.

00:40:22.840 And then once the internet started to become a bit more ubiquitous and everybody had access to the videos and the articles, and we knew they actually were going to the Bohemian Grove and doing these kind of rituals, they said, it's a performance.

00:40:33.460 It's like a country club where we do a gag theater show.

00:40:36.840 And it's like, yes, that's still very weird because regular Americans don't do those things. 0.69

00:40:41.980 Yeah.

00:40:42.120 It's a strange, it is a strange kind of thing to do.

00:40:44.880 So one of the things that I have to look for, so I don't live in New Orleans, but I live near New Orleans, and so that sort of culture and sort of Haitian and voodoo culture affects the area I live in.

00:40:55.440 But one of the things I have to look for as a priest is when I'm distributing Holy Communion at Mass, right, I have to watch them with my peripheral vision to make sure people are actually receiving the host if they're consuming it.

00:41:06.900 Because people will want to steal the Most Blessed Sacrament, right, the host, for use in these acts of worship, sort of demonic activity.

00:41:18.020 And it's happened before where I've noticed a man had taken a host and he pocketed it, and so I went after him and got the host from him and consumed it.

00:41:28.840 And then afterwards I go in the park behind the church and see this altar he had erected where he intended to do this ritual.

00:41:35.160 Just this past year, I don't want to say where to protect the identity, but a priest I know that is involved on campus ministry at a major state university discovered that the pledges in a fraternity were told to steal host from the Catholic church.

00:41:53.100 Oh, that's crazy.

00:41:54.380 I saw someone try and steal the host on Christmas last year, so our priest had to physically stop him from doing it.

00:42:02.140 It was crazy.

00:42:02.740 So on Christmas, you know, of all times at the Midnight Mass.

00:42:07.640 So I asked ChatGPT about known demons, and in Christian and Jewish demonology you've got Lucifer, Beelzebub, Asmodeus, Belial, is that how you pronounce that?

00:42:19.000 Belial. 0.91

00:42:19.600 Belial. 0.91

00:42:20.660 Mammon, Leviathan, Baal, and Astaroth.

00:42:24.300 In modern culture, Beelzebub just means the devil.

00:42:28.640 This is a different, separate demon?

00:42:30.360 Yeah, so in the Rite of Exorcism, a lot of these names are listed sometimes because the priest is told to specifically, you know, command that these demons depart if they're present, that kind of thing.

00:42:44.180 Sometimes we can say that, you know, perhaps sometimes they're used in a term, like Leviathan could refer to Lucifer, but it also may be a separate entity and that sort of thing.

00:42:53.640 I've never—so people use Leviathan to reference Lucifer?

00:42:56.820 Demons also are the whole we are legion, we they, they speak in sort of, you know, a way that intermixes all of them as one being in a mockery of God.

00:43:10.620 That's kind of their whole deal.

00:43:11.900 It's a mockery of the trinity.

00:43:12.600 Yeah.

00:43:12.800 Everything they do is like an inversion, like, that's why so much magic has to do with sex, because sex is supposed to be a part of the sacrament where you selflessly give yourself to another, and when you do that, you're open to creating life together, whereas magic is not—is using another for yourself in a way that benefits only you and is not open to life in any way.

00:43:40.080 So that's like—it's always a direct mockery of—

00:43:43.080 What about these other demons?

00:43:44.140 It mentions Pazuzu, Mesopotamian, Near Eastern, Lamashtu.

00:43:50.720 Are you familiar with any of those?

00:43:52.680 So I'm not familiar with the names themselves, but I mean, Scripture tells us that any of the pagan gods are essentially demons, right?

00:43:59.880 Yeah.

00:44:00.040 So if we're looking at Mesopotamian gods, then that's—

00:44:03.220 Yeah.

00:44:03.500 Pagan gods aren't necessarily demons.

00:44:06.400 A lot of pagan gods are just fake stories of people seeking God.

00:44:10.220 But any time pagans interact directly with a god, that is demonic entity.

00:44:18.100 And what does it cause, right?

00:44:19.820 So I mentioned I'm in Natchez, Mississippi, right?

00:44:21.540 So the Natchez Indians, who are nearly extinct right now, it's sad, but the Natchez Indians were an extraordinarily gruesome people. 1.00

00:44:31.680 And they're one of the only groups in the United States, only Native American groups in the United States that offered human sacrifice. 0.98

00:44:38.140 And so that in itself, right, to find a culture that's offering human sacrifice, well, we could say there's demonic influence right there.

00:44:44.540 They even had the practice of if the chief died, they would kill the chief's entire family so that his family would be with him in the afterlife, right?

00:44:53.220 But that's heavily influenced, right?

00:44:54.980 That's demonic in many ways, we could say.

00:44:58.120 It mentions—it says, other cultural figures, Moloch.

00:45:01.640 Child sacrifice, fire, and war.

00:45:03.380 Is Moloch not a Christian known demon, or is— 0.96

00:45:08.460 No, he is.

00:45:09.540 He's, I mean, he's well-known in the canon, so he's the child sacrifice guy.

00:45:17.060 And so the—

00:45:17.820 He's very powerful these days, you know?

00:45:19.260 Yeah, anytime they would mess up—so what they would do is they would make brass statues of him.

00:45:23.340 He's a human body with a bull's head.

00:45:25.340 And then they would heat the brass statue and put the children while they were still alive and let them slowly roast in his brass hands.

00:45:32.980 And they would scream and they would do rituals.

00:45:34.960 The Romans witnessed this, the Jews witnessed this, I think the Samaritans, there were other people who recorded it.

00:45:43.900 So this is a common thing that goes on for not just, like, one generation or something, but over the course of hundreds of years in different cultures.

00:45:52.960 Well, it's—we got on this topic, right, because we were mentioning abortion.

00:45:56.660 Peter Kreeft, who's a Catholic theologian and canon lawyer, he has a quote where he says abortion is the demonic parody of the Eucharist, right?

00:46:04.720 Yeah.

00:46:04.880 And it uses the same words with a blasphemous other meaning, right?

00:46:09.040 This is my body, right?

00:46:11.980 And so, yeah, I mean, you can see how Moloch would tie into all this idea of sacrificing human children, right?

00:46:17.560 You know, they're—what are they being sacrificed for?

00:46:20.140 Were they being sacrificed ultimately for our individual pleasure?

00:46:22.780 Yeah.

00:46:23.340 Christ, this is my body given up for you, and then abortion, this is your body given up for me. 0.52

00:46:28.180 Yeah.

00:46:29.080 So is Odin a demon?

00:46:31.940 No, he's just a fake guy. 0.69

00:46:33.680 Yeah, fake guy.

00:46:34.300 He's just a pretty cool character.

00:46:36.980 What's the difference between these, like, ancient—like, the mythologies and these pagan religions?

00:46:41.400 Like, how do you differentiate what's fake and what's actually demonic?

00:46:44.960 So Tolkien and C.S. Lewis, actually, very interestingly, C.S. Lewis converted because of pagan myths.

00:46:50.720 He was really moved by man's search for God in the pagan myths and thought they were really beautiful and interesting, and he studied them.

00:46:59.820 And Tolkien pointed out to him that all the myths point towards one truth, the true myth.

00:47:04.680 Christ is a mythology, but it's true, and that's what makes it unique.

00:47:08.540 C.S. Lewis converts and becomes one of the greatest Christian theologians of the modern age.

00:47:13.740 But, um, so yeah, they—some of these things are just people seeking God and creating religion and trying to understand what we all intuitively know.

00:47:23.760 Before we—before the 2010s or whatever, when, like, we started to go down this weird path we're all down,

00:47:30.760 normalcy was a thing we all agreed on.

00:47:32.960 We said things were normal.

00:47:34.500 We used the word normal.

00:47:35.980 And what was normal is we all intuitively know there's something going on, right?

00:47:41.900 Ghosts, spirits, the feeling of God, whatever.

00:47:45.620 So Odin is people seeking God and just sort of creating their own myths and figuring it out and creating myths in order to seek him.

00:47:55.820 But Odin doesn't like—there are no, like, people who have Odin come down and do things for them.

00:48:02.840 They don't interact with him.

00:48:04.140 I thought that's the story, that Odin makes himself known to people, makes himself visible to people.

00:48:08.300 And when you mentioned when these pagan people actually have an interaction with God, that's demons. 1.00

00:48:12.900 So that's where Odin came to mind, because that's the story.

00:48:15.240 He comes and makes himself visible and known to be—like, he hides amongst the people.

00:48:20.020 In the Etas, he comes and visits people and stuff, for sure, and all the pagan gods visit people.

00:48:26.660 That's one of their things is, like, who is a god and who is not.

00:48:30.140 But demons are beings that you interact with in order to achieve a material goal in this space-time reality.

00:48:39.220 So Odin was what you thought was God, and you just—he's like a story, but he's not like anyone people are trying to get material things from currently.

00:48:51.520 Whereas Moloch, for all of time, was like, I am a creature.

00:48:54.760 I want you to do X for me, and then you will get Y.

00:48:57.740 Whereas Odin was like, I am this almighty sort of father figure, and I have wisdom, and people were interested in that.

00:49:06.440 And he's a metaphor for all these other things, you know.

00:49:10.840 Do demons cut deals with people?

00:49:15.140 Because, you know, there's—you mentioned vexation, obsession, possession.

00:49:18.740 Typically, my understanding, which is limited, is like someone is—they don't realize they're being influenced by some dark force to do bad things.

00:49:29.320 But are there also instances where the demon whispers to you, I will give you this if you do this thing?

00:49:34.860 I guess the Faustian deals or whatever?

00:49:38.200 I mean, you can't sell your soul.

00:49:39.880 It's not yours to give away.

00:49:41.680 So that's a—there's a—I can't remember what saint it is that talks about a man who has sold his soul, and he's being drugged down to hell, and the angels are like, literally just say no.

00:49:52.840 What are you doing?

00:49:53.480 Say no.

00:49:53.980 No, and he fell into despair so that he thought he could not be saved because he thought he had sold his soul.

00:50:01.500 The demons had thrown him into such a depression that they convinced him to take him, but the angels were like, literally walk it off.

00:50:09.320 What are you talking about?

00:50:10.500 Like, you're fine, you know?

00:50:11.760 But that's kind of what they do.

00:50:14.280 I was talking with a handful of people a couple years ago about DMT trips.

00:50:18.480 Have you guys ever looked into dimethyltryptamine?

00:50:21.100 I have some friends who are burners and stuff, so I'm pretty well versed in their stories.

00:50:25.820 And there's this occult view of what powerful people are doing.

00:50:32.440 They've been doing—they're calling it extended state DMT trips.

00:50:35.960 These experiments have been going on for a few years where they hook people up to an IV and pump small amounts of DMT over a long period of time to create a prolonged DMT trip.

00:50:48.160 So the way people describe it—I've never done it.

00:50:50.020 I just listen to podcasts, right?

00:50:51.160 So what do I know?

00:50:52.120 But they describe it as blasting off or breaking through.

00:50:56.520 Some people describe it as breaking through the veil to the other side, like pressing your face through the screen and you can see a bit.

00:51:03.140 But they describe entities on the other side that they experience, machine elves or otherwise.

00:51:08.760 And I was talking to this dude who's very, very Christian.

00:51:11.120 I'm not sure of what denomination, probably Protestant.

00:51:13.040 And he was saying that these entities that people are experiencing, they're demons.

00:51:18.220 And they're offering up deals.

00:51:20.300 They're telling you to become corrupted.

00:51:23.580 They don't say, do bad thing.

00:51:26.180 They're saying, yeah, do this.

00:51:27.220 Come on, do this.

00:51:27.900 And in many instances, they'll offer you knowledge or power in exchange for working with them or abiding by their will and things like this.

00:51:36.980 And he was just saying, never accept the deal when you hear the whispers.

00:51:41.300 However, there is one of the conspiracy theories is that powerful elites do this intentionally, take these deals and are granted knowledge, like you were saying, things they shouldn't know.

00:51:54.500 And they use this to empower themselves and gain control over other people.

00:51:57.260 It's interesting when you say that with possession, one of the things you look for is people knowing things they shouldn't.

00:52:02.800 And then you have in this other area stories about entities from beyond the veil when you take this drug that will offer you up information you should not know, which will grant you more power in the material world, such as like what stock to buy, what company to invest in, where to find certain things.

00:52:21.060 To me, that all sounds very much the same, just described in different ways.

00:52:23.860 Yeah, well, there is a culture within the drug market, like the cartel, for instance.

00:52:31.180 So there's, I was mentioning this earlier this morning, there's a, within Latin American culture, there's this weird and inappropriate relationship of sort of Christianity and paganism that intertwines.

00:52:43.680 And you start to see these sort of, these death cults that enter into it.

00:52:48.420 You start to see a lot of sort of paganistic and witchcraft stuff enter into it.

00:52:54.360 Well, either way, within the cartel, you hear stories of things like witches cursing loads of drugs with the intention that people become addicted to them and, right?

00:53:06.480 And so, and therefore fall further into that, right?

00:53:08.760 And then when you're also, when you're under the influence of drugs, you're more, you know, your reason is more affected and so you're more probable to commit sin, right?

00:53:15.820 So obviously it benefits the enemy as well.

00:53:18.980 But yeah, so you, like I said, you see that within the drug culture.

00:53:22.320 I can't talk about this particularly, but...

00:53:23.760 I think you should read a little bit, because I'm wondering if, you know, one way I'd describe it is I grew up Catholic, left the church after my family, we switched schools and things like this.

00:53:33.640 But I had a general understanding with religious class, we called it, and going to mass.

00:53:39.420 So you're baptized Catholic?

00:53:40.500 Yeah.

00:53:40.880 Okay, so you're still Catholic, you just don't realize it.

00:53:42.660 Oh, right, okay.

00:53:43.320 I went through, I had communion, I never had confirmation, but when I started reading, so I had this period from probably like 13 till 18 where I was like, I'm an atheist, and that's what people told me.

00:53:57.340 And then, I don't know what I would describe myself as now, but I do believe in God, I just don't follow any particular faith structure.

00:54:03.620 But when I started reading about quantum physics and theory, that's actually what, part of what made me move back towards believing in God is that what I had learned reading as a kid, that was never accurately explained to me.

00:54:17.620 And then reading this science and realizing that there was some connection there, and that people may just be looking at something, but from different angles.

00:54:26.000 I was like, oh, God is real.

00:54:28.540 And I think God is observable.

00:54:29.760 I won't get into my whole theory and breakdown of all that, because it takes forever, and I've done it several times, but I do believe that God is observable in reality.

00:54:38.040 We can see signs of God, I think you probably agree.

00:54:40.920 And I've met people who think that's not true, and I think they're just, they need information, information.

00:54:46.340 So I'm curious, when I hear about all of this DMT stuff, which is wildly popular, everyone loves it, you know, Joe Rogan talks about, or he used to talk about it all the time, and everybody was like, whoa.

00:54:55.020 So, it seems like there's something to it, and I would describe it as, there are signs all around us, such as with science, about unseen forces, like I was describing with the electromagnetic spectrum.

00:55:06.120 Forever, humans had no idea it existed, because we can't perceive it, and then one day, somebody was like, hey, this weird thing is happening to this metal when I do something like this.

00:55:15.920 There's something interacting with it.

00:55:17.500 Now we have cell phones.

00:55:18.820 Now we have satellites.

00:55:19.760 Now, wireless technology, we get it.

00:55:22.460 We have x-ray detection.

00:55:23.700 We have even magnetism.

00:55:25.440 So it should be patently obvious to any human being that understands these discoveries, we probably haven't discovered everything.

00:55:34.100 There are unseen forces that exist all around us.

00:55:37.100 So there's something interesting with the DMT stuff that I'm getting to.

00:55:41.040 People have all of these stories of experiencing the same thing, the same entities, and shared knowledge, which is one of the reasons why I think people are so interested in dimethyltryptamine.

00:55:50.800 Because it makes people feel like there may be real evidence of something beyond that we can't perceive as humans.

00:55:58.100 There's a famous story that Vice published a while ago where a man said he did DMT, large dose, blasted off, found himself in this strange reality where he met a purple woman.

00:56:11.480 This woman told him things.

00:56:14.200 When he comes back down, he was talking to one of his other trippy friends.

00:56:18.920 And his friend told him about a purple woman he had met who told him these things.

00:56:24.360 And that's when the guy said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what?

00:56:26.840 I was told the exact same things from the exact same person.

00:56:30.980 And it's something like that.

00:56:32.280 There are so many stories where people who have shared trips, they'll go in separate rooms, they do experiments with this, and they'll take DMT.

00:56:41.060 And then these two people will report knowledge that no one shared with each other.

00:56:47.980 And so I look at this and I wonder if humans are starting to touch upon these demonic entities.

00:56:54.960 They're being able to visualize and describe something that is tangible that I presume the church has known about for millennia.

00:57:05.920 But now through DMT, science is actually saying maybe these things actually are real and we can actually document their existence.

00:57:13.900 There's an odd – this is like getting into the realm of like kooky quackery outside of religion.

00:57:21.900 We're like, what, what, what?

00:57:23.000 But there are UFO investigators who have done research into it and they're trying to figure out like, okay, every time someone's abducted, I'm going to interview everyone who's abducted.

00:57:33.460 And I'm going to see if there's anyone who's interrupted an abduction experience, if that's ever happened.

00:57:38.740 Because abduction experiences, they tend to happen from beginning to end and the creatures who abduct these people and the people who say they have these experiences, they describe them from beginning to end, they're powerless.

00:57:50.780 So UFO researchers are like, who has ever interrupted one?

00:57:54.380 That's interesting, right?

00:57:55.360 Let's think about that.

00:57:56.160 So he starts to look through it and he finds that there are people who have interrupted these experiences, these abduction experiences, and universally all of them interrupted them by calling upon the name of Jesus.

00:58:09.000 Oh, wow.

00:58:09.720 So the UFO community got really weird about this, which is hilarious that dorks who are like, UFOs are real.

00:58:15.720 And then a guy's like, I think Jesus is involved. 0.97

00:58:18.560 And they're like, get this loser out of here.

00:58:21.520 So they kind of buried these people and you can look it up and they've tried to like speak out against it.

00:58:26.160 But one of the interesting things about DMT is the universal experience with alien greys. 0.88

00:58:34.520 Almost everyone who does DMT has an experience with what they described as like an alien that as described by people who have seen them.

00:58:43.380 So they're like, oh, it was like a skinny type of alien, like an ET, like a, oh man, I'm making Alex Jones unproud.

00:58:50.200 I forget what the name of the aliens are.

00:58:52.880 Machine elves? 0.84

00:58:53.680 Yeah, the greys.

00:58:55.000 Well, the greys are the greys.

00:58:56.160 The machine elves are different.

00:58:57.620 Okay.

00:58:58.320 I'm not.

00:58:59.240 Mechanical beings.

00:58:59.940 Yeah, I'm not well versed enough.

00:59:01.200 But anyway, so they, people universally from different cultures who don't even know see these aliens.

00:59:06.520 So it's interesting that they're witnessing aliens.

00:59:08.780 And then there's the other people who were like, well, aliens might have something to do with the demonic because apparently the name of Christ is the only thing that interrupts an abduction experience.

00:59:16.320 Alex Jones has talked about this, that, and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he's mentioned interdimensional entities.

00:59:23.140 Yes.

00:59:23.460 And it's fascinating because a lot of people will actually just say what, we've heard this, and people will chat us all the time saying what people think of as aliens are demons.

00:59:32.260 Yeah.

00:59:32.800 That these, it's fascinating that it's like we lost the knowledge.

00:59:36.100 These things have been described and explained by humans for millennia.

00:59:39.680 And now today, because of the rise of secularism and the stepping away of religion, people don't know what they're talking about.

00:59:48.760 I'm not saying they're an ignorant.

00:59:49.980 I'm saying they will see an entity and then say that's an alien, even though it's been described for millennia as a demon.

00:59:56.480 One thing I find truly fascinating in a much more, like, for those that, you know, don't believe and don't, let's bring it back to Earth for you guys a little bit.

01:00:05.220 Yeah, yeah.

01:00:05.800 Simulation theory.

01:00:06.760 Yeah.

01:00:07.020 You guys are familiar with simulation theory.

01:00:09.200 Yes.

01:00:09.900 So this is very popular among the tech elite and, I guess, atheists to a certain degree.

01:00:16.620 Not everyone, but there are many that are entertaining the possibility that the universe we exist in was a simulation created by a more advanced civilization.

01:00:24.220 The fascinating thing about that is what they're basically saying is that a higher power planned the creation of this universe for which we exist in for a purpose.

01:00:34.580 And I'm like, I'm just going to stop you right there.

01:00:35.960 But you've basically—you know, I was talking to someone about simulation theory, and I said, I recommend you talk to some theologians, priests, and learned holy men.

01:00:45.080 Because when you discuss simulation theory, that's like chapter one of my religion book when I was five years old.

01:00:51.500 Yeah, it is silly to be like, God couldn't do it, but Gabe Newell could.

01:00:55.920 Like, yeah, get out of here, dude.

01:00:57.520 That's not real.

01:00:59.220 And so I wonder, you know, just going back to—so what we have here is I looked up common reports of demonic entities with DMT, and it's machine elves.

01:01:09.380 I've had people describe them as, like, slinky-like beings.

01:01:14.680 I don't know if you guys have heard that.

01:01:16.060 I don't know.

01:01:16.460 I've never done DMT.

01:01:17.540 I've never done drugs, actually.

01:01:19.620 And they describe them as, like, they have, like, this wavy, slinky-like structure.

01:01:25.840 But it also mentions commonly shadow figures and demonic shapes in some cases, especially with fear or anxiety.

01:01:31.900 The beings are hostile or terrifying, described as demons or dark gods.

01:01:36.740 And it mentions a religious overlap with ayahuasca ceremonies where people sometimes believe they encounter spirits, angels, demons.

01:01:43.500 I wonder if humans have actually known this for thousands of years.

01:01:49.220 There are learned religious holy men who talk about beings that exist beyond.

01:01:55.760 They don't have a form.

01:01:57.360 And just like with simulation theory, people are scratching the surface of religion 101 in trying to describe what they're seeing.

01:02:04.420 I wonder if we would benefit greatly from these hippy-dippy DMT people actually just going and talking to a priest for a little bit and finding that what they're describing may actually already be written down for thousands of years.

01:02:16.400 There's knowledge to be found, I think.

01:02:17.980 There's the movie that I just assisted with, To the Ritual.

01:02:22.500 There's a great line that Al Pacino's character has in it.

01:02:25.260 So he plays the exorcist in the movie, and he's arguing with another priest that's struggling to believe that this is real.

01:02:33.120 And he says, you know, Father, the enemy's ways may be new to you, but they're ancient.

01:02:39.100 He's been doing this for thousands of years.

01:02:41.200 And you're right, right?

01:02:42.700 So the Church talks about—if you look over human culture, right?

01:02:46.740 So one of the things I do in my field is ritual and liturgy.

01:02:49.800 So I study a lot of paganistic rituals and that kind of thing.

01:02:52.580 And you'll find similarities, right, from culture to culture, similar beliefs, similar religious practices.

01:03:00.760 And so the Church says—we call this the vestigia trinitatis.

01:03:03.980 There's vestiges of the Trinity all through the culture because ultimately there's only one truth, right?

01:03:08.440 And so when people discover truth, they're touching upon the one truth, who's God himself.

01:03:12.220 And so when we discover these truths in these cultures, it's because ultimately, right, they're finally touching the truth.

01:03:19.180 And so, you know, I would say if you can look over thousands, millions of years of human history and all of a sudden you keep finding the same thing popping up again and again and again and again, there has to be something true behind it.

01:03:32.740 And we in the 21st century aren't just totally, you know, oh, this is brand new.

01:03:36.420 No, right?

01:03:37.440 We're not just discovering this.

01:03:39.460 This has been here for a long time.

01:03:41.360 One of the things that irks me with these, like, ghost hunter shows is that they're completely unserious, and I think that we should be pursuing, when people experience what would be described as supernatural phenomenon, a legitimate scientific exploration of this information.

01:03:58.920 Instead, what you get is EMF detectors and, like, microphones to make weird recordings, and that's just some made-up stuff.

01:04:06.000 That's not actually the scientific method or process.

01:04:08.260 My mother is into ghost hunting, or was, and I went with her.

01:04:13.040 I actually have an entire album about it, but we experienced, we had, like, a supernatural experience, but the equipment is insane.

01:04:20.660 Yeah, it's made up.

01:04:20.940 They just have, like, an Xbox Kinect duct tape to their head, and they're like, I'm doing science right now, and you're like, I don't think you are, though.

01:04:28.920 I think you have a very old game system taped to your face, actually, and they have lasers and, like, all kinds of weird stuff.

01:04:36.040 And, you know, it's built by who knows who, and the science is shoddy, but some of it, it does seem to, like, do something.

01:04:44.320 I think a lot, I was reading once that a lot of this phenomenon we experience can be explained by ultra-low frequency vibration, which creates, like, a sensation within your body.

01:04:54.560 You can't hear it or perceive it possible.

01:04:58.120 I just find it fascinating that there are so many stories of people experiencing some kind of supernatural phenomenon, and it is dismissed by the mainstream.

01:05:07.060 I actually will take that back.

01:05:08.540 I don't think it is.

01:05:09.300 I think people are scared to admit it, but obviously the fact that Ghost Hunter shows exist, the fact that the DMT question is so popular, suggests that regular people do accept there are forces out there that we can't perceive that influence us, either physically or mentally or emotionally.

01:05:27.920 But for some reason, on the surface, nobody wants to admit it.

01:05:31.300 Most people don't want to admit it.

01:05:32.500 Yeah, like, I remember when Tucker Carlson said that he was attacked by a demon in his sleep, the reaction wasn't, like, mockery.

01:05:40.580 Most people were just like, yeah, tell me, tell me more.

01:05:43.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:43.980 And people subliminally are very aware of these things, and they're not ready to go all in on mocking oftentimes.

01:05:48.480 They're just like, wait, wait, what'd you say again?

01:05:50.220 Yeah, more, please.

01:05:51.240 Yeah, even for all, like, I converted.

01:05:54.020 So I used to have, like, I used to be a major leftist.

01:05:57.360 I had a show on Gas Digital with Corinne Fisher where I pushed leftist politics and stuff.

01:06:02.280 And I quit that and converted.

01:06:04.040 And, of course, I had, like, tens of thousands of people be like, we're going to kill you over this now and death threats and all the wildest things you can imagine.

01:06:12.140 But over the course of time, when I would tell people I was religious, I would expect a lot of pushback from, like, you know, the stranger parts of my religion.

01:06:20.220 But those are the parts that people are the most receptive to.

01:06:23.460 When I tell people, like, oh, yeah, dude, spiritual warfare, I feel like I'm going through it.

01:06:27.980 Like, regular people will be like, should I throw some sage down?

01:06:32.340 Like, they think that they're like – people are like, yeah, to be Christian is weird and bad.

01:06:37.720 But attacked by demons?

01:06:39.080 Yeah, I get that.

01:06:39.940 You're like, what?

01:06:40.900 Yeah.

01:06:41.140 So we live in, like, this very spiritual society that's trying to, like, discern this thing we all intuitively know is true.

01:06:49.460 But they've totally thrown off the tradition that got us to where we are in this spiritual world.

01:06:55.740 That's, like, what I'm saying with the simulation theory stuff.

01:06:58.500 We were having a discussion with someone about this, and I'm just like, you're describing the first thing they taught us in religion class when I was a little kid.

01:07:06.240 And these big tech guys think they've discovered something profound to say we're in a simulation.

01:07:11.120 And my response is, could you call it a construct instead of a simulation?

01:07:15.440 Right.

01:07:15.720 And they're like, yeah, sure.

01:07:17.800 And I'm like, a simulation implies it's a copy of – and you don't know that.

01:07:21.500 You're arguing that we exist in a construct.

01:07:23.580 Yes, ah, so did God construct the universe that we are in?

01:07:27.980 And then it's, oh, maybe people already conceptualized this a very, very, very long time ago.

01:07:32.960 And we all actually believed it, but maybe what's happening is we are being convinced to not believe it by dark forces.

01:07:39.640 We are being told to disregard that which we know is true. 0.88

01:07:43.600 And exactly as you described it, I can't tell you how many people I know are like, I'm going to burn sage.

01:07:47.140 And I'm like, what does that do?

01:07:48.060 It scares the demons away.

01:07:48.940 And I'm like, what?

01:07:51.280 Why?

01:07:51.640 Well, we've reached a point in our culture where truth itself doesn't exist, right?

01:07:57.420 We're going to constantly question truth, right?

01:07:59.120 And what is the enemy's goal, right?

01:08:00.760 So God is order, right?

01:08:03.440 And everything in creation is ordered, and it's mathematical and scientific, right?

01:08:06.960 The enemy is the opposite, right?

01:08:08.280 He wants just complete chaos.

01:08:09.960 And so in the enemy's mind, right, now we live in a culture that reflects just his head, right?

01:08:14.480 So it's weird to believe that marriage can be between a man and a woman, but let me go show you my crystal collection, you know?

01:08:21.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:21.680 And that's where we are.

01:08:23.940 And when they explain to you what each crystal does.

01:08:26.060 Yes.

01:08:27.120 There's a rock shop in Frederick where we're huge fans.

01:08:30.720 And just because I don't think there's magic power or anything within the rocks.

01:08:34.800 Various rocks are cool.

01:08:36.000 It's science.

01:08:36.800 They show you how they break the geodes open.

01:08:38.500 And so whenever I go there.

01:08:39.040 For autism reasons.

01:08:40.360 Not magic reasons.

01:08:42.160 Exactly.

01:08:42.560 Rocks are cool.

01:08:45.060 And then I've got some friends that are like, don't buy that one.

01:08:49.460 And I'm like, why not?

01:08:50.120 Ooh, that one summons demons.

01:08:51.480 And I'm just like, I don't know, dude.

01:08:53.920 I just think this is a cool green rock.

01:08:56.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:56.780 What are you talking about?

01:08:57.260 I had a woman recently, and she's from a very strong Catholic family, and God bless this.

01:09:02.380 I mean, she's probably in her mid-20s or whatever.

01:09:05.300 And she was like, Father, I want to show you this crystal I just bought.

01:09:08.380 But she's like, well, I don't really believe crystals have magic powers or this kind of thing.

01:09:11.620 But I mean, don't you think that maybe it's so old, maybe it does have some sort of use or anything?

01:09:15.580 And finally, I questioned her.

01:09:16.460 I was like, why do you need this?

01:09:18.040 And she's like, well, I don't really know.

01:09:19.100 And I was like, okay, I'm going to take it.

01:09:22.520 Lost crystal privileges.

01:09:23.600 Yeah, there was a meteorite fragment crystal, and I was buying it.

01:09:30.300 And my buddy told me to keep it away from me while I sleep, because it'll summon demons to me while I sleep.

01:09:36.240 From outer space?

01:09:37.340 Yeah.

01:09:38.200 Not that demons are from outer space.

01:09:40.180 Oh, okay.

01:09:40.560 The rock is unworldly, and that it is unsafe because it will bring demons to you.

01:09:48.680 And I've not experienced it.

01:09:50.640 I don't know.

01:09:51.020 Maybe I reject demons or whatever, so they have a harder time dealing with me.

01:09:54.320 But again, I think, like I said, that's symptomatic of a culture we live in where we've inverted truth.

01:10:01.420 But what I do think you see right now, and I'm seeing this in the church, is the younger generation,

01:10:07.000 it's becoming more traditional, more conservative, and that sort of thing.

01:10:11.280 Because we've reached a point where tradition and conservatism is the rebellion.

01:10:15.660 Yeah.

01:10:16.120 Essentially.

01:10:16.840 It's a weird pendulum swing.

01:10:18.220 We redefined love, which is like the main symptom of most of society's ills, whereas love is to will the good of the other.

01:10:27.740 And to will the good of the other means not to tolerate them and their evil, or to lie to them, or to allow them to fall into disrepair.

01:10:35.900 It means to do difficult things.

01:10:37.280 To love someone is to will their good, which isn't necessarily to be nice to them, but we've redefined love as to tolerate and be nice to and accept no matter what.

01:10:49.620 I guess we took unconditional love and really ran with it, and we forgot the, you know, we're humans and things are very conditional for us.

01:10:58.560 Hobent at the 16th has this great line where he says, there is no love without truth.

01:11:02.480 Yes.

01:11:02.820 And so when we're denying people the truth, we're not really loving them.

01:11:07.420 You know, we're allowing them to persist in their error.

01:11:10.280 Exactly.

01:11:10.760 Which ultimately leads to their downfall.

01:11:12.780 So I asked, JetGPT, does every culture believe in some kind of possession?

01:11:16.940 Yes.

01:11:17.780 Nearly every culture on the planet.

01:11:19.880 You know, I looked this up because I asked it about jinn.

01:11:25.700 Are you guys familiar with jinn?

01:11:28.280 Yeah, yeah.

01:11:28.660 It's very, very similar to demons in Arabic culture, and it even says here they can possess humans causing illness, madness, temptation. 0.98

01:11:37.240 They are very much demonic. 0.58

01:11:38.680 I believe it even refers to Iblis, Satan, the Islamic equivalent of Satan. 0.99

01:11:44.840 He's a jinn who rebelled against Allah rather than angel. 1.00

01:11:47.560 I think that might just be words, but they're trying to convey something similar, though.

01:11:51.400 Yeah.

01:11:51.600 Yeah.

01:11:51.700 I was reading once that most cultures have very, very similar basic belief structures around things like ghosts, possession, demons.

01:12:02.060 And the question was, why?

01:12:04.340 Why is there a culture in the Americas separated by thousands of years and 10 plus 20,000 miles, but they have a very—it's like they're looking at the same thing but describing it differently.

01:12:18.020 How is that possible?

01:12:19.540 Unless they're actually seeing something.

01:12:20.780 Is there something actually there?

01:12:24.320 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:24.900 I mean, we all intuitively know.

01:12:27.000 It's that thing where, like, when you're a kid, you have all these weird experiences, and you get older, and you kind of explain them away.

01:12:33.480 I didn't see a ghost.

01:12:35.000 I didn't feel that scary thing that one time.

01:12:37.400 I didn't hear a voice.

01:12:39.180 I didn't do that.

01:12:40.080 But when you—you know, and then now you're an adult, you rationalize everything.

01:12:43.940 And then, of course, you know, if the enemy is pushing you towards sin, they're like, well, I don't have to do that anymore.

01:12:51.180 I got this guy locked in, so I'll just let him live in his sort of apathy, and we'll just see what happens with him.

01:12:58.540 But—

01:12:59.540 So, like, you mentioned you spent time in the Church of Satan.

01:13:03.960 Was that correct?

01:13:04.400 Yeah, so I was involved with, like, the Church of Satan, so, like, the political organization.

01:13:10.220 Okay.

01:13:10.620 So they pretend to be Satanists.

01:13:13.220 This is huge quotation marks because they are Satanists.

01:13:16.040 Right.

01:13:16.260 It's like a trick.

01:13:18.560 It would basically be like if I started a fake Christian church, and a bunch of people showed up, and I was like, all right, so we all don't have sex before marriage anymore, and we're going to pray the Our Father and worship Christ.

01:13:30.880 But it's all aesthetic.

01:13:32.300 Don't worry.

01:13:33.080 We wear the crosses, but it's a joke.

01:13:35.320 Anyway, give your soul over to Jesus, talk about it, and follow the laws.

01:13:39.300 And you're like, well, it doesn't seem very aesthetic if I'm doing it, right?

01:13:43.080 If I'm, you know, and so Satanism, you know, do without wilt, shall be the whole of the law, and all these other things, you know? 0.86

01:13:50.380 And so you think, like, oh, this is just a—this is a goofy, like, I'm just scaring silly Christians who are trying to put the Ten Commandments outside of courthouses, but you're participating in Satanism proper. 0.92

01:14:01.520 I mean, that is Satanism. 0.88

01:14:03.240 Yeah, I would just be curious, like, the extent of interactions you had with demonic elements.

01:14:07.200 Well, within that organization, there are people just doing political things and being aesthetic and whatever.

01:14:12.320 But then, of course, there's a bunch of people doing magic and witchcraft, and I did get involved in that for a time where I was, like—I don't know.

01:14:20.480 I was reading—I've always been a fan of philosophy and stuff.

01:14:23.500 When I was young, I was an edgy atheist.

01:14:25.060 I had to read all the Four Horsemen.

01:14:27.100 You know, I loved Hitchens.

01:14:28.480 Then I got into Albert Camus, and I was like, ooh, the stranger.

01:14:32.260 I'm not a nihilist.

01:14:33.340 I'm an absurdist.

01:14:34.220 I'm smarter than everybody.

01:14:35.560 And then, of course, you keep going along in life.

01:14:37.660 And then eventually I was like, well, if I'm open to all this stuff, why wouldn't I be open to, like, the occult or whatever?

01:14:42.320 Let's see what it's about.

01:14:43.520 And I read a book that I'm not going to name, but it's a book about a type of magic that's very popular that most people do.

01:14:50.480 And I started to do some of the stuff in there, and it was sort of working.

01:14:54.540 And that was, like, a big moment for me where I went from sort of being like—I would describe myself as an agnostic atheist.

01:15:01.860 I would do the Sam Harris grift where I'm like, no, I'm, like, kind of an atheist.

01:15:08.060 I'm just not all the way—I'm not doing presumption, but I'm an atheist otherwise.

01:15:12.580 I would do that.

01:15:13.460 And that pushed me fully into, like, nope, that's right.

01:15:17.220 Yeah, something's going on.

01:15:18.380 There's something happening.

01:15:19.880 And then, of course, I got scared and gave that up.

01:15:22.920 And then over time, I got very, very lucky and experienced a miracle, which brought me to Christ.

01:15:29.440 But, like, in that time, I mean, I experienced lots of terrifying things.

01:15:33.780 And I experienced, you know, that that stuff works, and you have to pay, like, a severe and intense price for it, too.

01:15:40.380 So there are people that intentionally try to invoke demons?

01:15:44.360 Yes.

01:15:44.820 They try to summon them?

01:15:45.880 I mean, obviously we know that, but, like, they want to be possessed?

01:15:49.040 Or what is—how does this work?

01:15:51.200 I'll let you answer that.

01:15:51.940 I mean, yeah.

01:15:52.560 So there are people who are inviting demons into their lives, trying to bring them out, trying to just—so there are people who—they're doing magic, and so they're trying to affect their material reality by doing rituals and things.

01:16:09.960 And then you go beyond that into people who are mad at God, and then they start to do things in order to hurt God or the people who follow God.

01:16:21.460 And then the more you do one, the more it leads into the other, because, again, sin darkens the intellect and makes you angry, which makes you insane, which makes you susceptible to manipulation by demons. 0.98

01:16:31.820 And the next thing you know, you're a guy who wears a diaper with your girlfriend on the weekends, and you do magic, and you're a huge loser, you know?

01:16:38.960 Like, those are the types of people who do this stuff. 0.99

01:16:41.420 They're creeps and weirdos.

01:16:43.460 Like, universally, there's no one who does this kind of stuff that's, like, not into the weirdest, grossest thing you've ever heard of, right?

01:16:52.380 And so, basically, they do get so into it that then they begin to be obsessed with power, and, yeah, just, like, the idea that, like, I could bring this into the world, or I could summon or interact with this.

01:17:05.840 Like, you become obsessed with the power that they make you feel, I suppose, and so people become really into that.

01:17:13.100 I was never into that.

01:17:14.840 I think, very luckily, I was like, oh, I want money.

01:17:18.180 I want women. 1.00

01:17:19.220 I want success, you know, all that kind of stuff.

01:17:21.460 And as soon as my life began to fall apart, as I received certain things and I experienced some really, really dark things, I was like, oh, I'm out.

01:17:33.000 So, this is real, but, you know, there's a price and a cause for everything, so I'm out, very luckily.

01:17:39.420 But there are people who get really into it, and then they go even beyond what they're doing for themselves, and now they're trying to do to others.

01:17:48.780 So, then you get, like, satanic ritual abuse where people are, like, hurting children or trying to consecrate people to the devil or do things.

01:17:59.240 Like, they're playing the long game.

01:18:00.780 So, they want the devil to hurt your family two generations from now type stuff.

01:18:04.260 And exorcists, as far as I know, do experience that.

01:18:07.960 Yeah.

01:18:08.620 There's a Latin adage within the church, Lex Arondi, Lex Credendi.

01:18:12.440 So, the law of prayer, the way we pray, is going to determine how we believe, right?

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01:18:55.560 You know, people—this is one of the reasons the church doesn't put exorcisms out for people to kind of sort of look at as spectators, right?

01:19:05.300 It's because you can become obsessive, right?

01:19:07.900 And maybe it's just an interest.

01:19:09.420 Maybe you're just looking at this because you're interested, but as you become interested, then all of a sudden you want to see, well, does this work if I do it, right?

01:19:14.020 Well, then as you start seeing, well, does this work, then you start to believe this and you start to live this life, right?

01:19:18.600 But the same thing's true inadvertently, right, within the church, and that's why I think within a younger culture today, we live in a world where nothing is true, nothing can be accepted as true.

01:19:29.460 And so now you start seeing an uptick of people becoming Catholic, for instance, young people becoming Catholic, because they're found in the one place they can believe there's a foundation of truth.

01:19:37.800 And not only do they become Catholic, but they become traditionalist Catholic, right?

01:19:41.160 Right.

01:19:41.560 Like they're going into that, and so because the way you believe, the way you pray is going to affect what you believe, and so they're going deeper and deeper into that.

01:19:48.320 And I think that's a good thing to see.

01:19:49.500 I saw a statistic just last week, two different statistics.

01:19:53.060 One is that for the first time in 20 years, more people were baptized Catholic than left the church last year.

01:19:57.820 Yeah.

01:19:58.220 And then the other is that for the first time in decades, more of the younger generation are going to church, right?

01:20:04.540 Gen Z and millennials are going to church more than the boomers are now.

01:20:07.800 Especially this past weekend.

01:20:09.220 Yeah.

01:20:09.520 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:20:10.380 Absolutely, right?

01:20:11.080 So a friend of mine, he's the priest at Louisiana State University, and they always have—I mean,

01:20:17.900 so LSU, right, Louisiana is a very Catholic state, right?

01:20:21.060 They have the highest population of Catholic students out of any university in the country.

01:20:24.300 It's always a high attendance at Mass.

01:20:26.900 This weekend, packed out, right?

01:20:29.980 A student texted me and said that he got there and couldn't even get a seat.

01:20:33.460 Wow.

01:20:34.720 Yeah, my church was—

01:20:35.740 Sold out churches.

01:20:36.480 Standing room.

01:20:36.760 We were packed too.

01:20:38.320 Yeah, yeah.

01:20:38.760 I travel most weekends, and churches—well, I'm going to Catholic churches, so they're

01:20:44.400 packed everywhere.

01:20:45.440 It's crazy.

01:20:45.980 But this last weekend, I went to a shrine that is like an hour drive outside of Denver

01:20:51.040 or whatever, and it was packed.

01:20:52.680 Yeah.

01:20:52.960 So I was like, wow.

01:20:54.460 There were a lot of people there.

01:20:56.040 Mm-hmm.

01:20:56.400 It was really cool.

01:20:57.580 Yeah.

01:20:57.740 I think, you know, to get a little bit more to the political now, I guess, as we're getting

01:21:02.220 into it, a lot of people had a sort of a wake-up call witnessing what just happened this past

01:21:07.100 week, and now it's fascinating what we're seeing I would only describe as demonic.

01:21:12.900 These videos that people have made celebrating Charlie Kirk's death look like something you

01:21:19.160 would expect a movie to depict as a demon.

01:21:21.300 Mm-hmm.

01:21:21.740 They're cackling and laughing and making Kubrick stares at the camera and calling for more.

01:21:27.600 Yeah.

01:21:28.040 And it's a behavior that we, as humans, associate with a demonic—like, in our movies, this

01:21:34.820 is how the possessed behave.

01:21:36.880 Mm-hmm.

01:21:37.220 And so I see this, and I'm thinking, you know, the way I described why I—I made a video

01:21:44.360 last week that said it's time to bring back exorcisms.

01:21:46.940 And the point I was making is that I've traveled the world.

01:21:50.120 I've met a lot of people.

01:21:50.760 I've met some bad people.

01:21:52.480 And almost entirely, the motives and behaviors of the individuals are entirely human.

01:21:59.060 That is, they follow human vice, which would be the actions taken for reasons of envy,

01:22:06.280 wrath, lust, gluttony.

01:22:09.320 These are very obvious things to us.

01:22:11.300 So when someone attacks another person, why did they do it?

01:22:14.380 And wrath.

01:22:15.700 They felt anger.

01:22:17.380 Sometimes just for no reason, they were angry.

01:22:19.480 Envy.

01:22:19.980 They stole from you because they were jealous of something you had.

01:22:22.060 They attacked you.

01:22:23.280 And recently, I've experienced things that defy human vice.

01:22:28.580 Typically, when humans do bad things, they're getting something satisfactory from it, either

01:22:33.020 emotionally or physically.

01:22:33.920 But with the death of Charlie Kirk, while some of it you can describe as emotionally satisfactory

01:22:39.680 to those who have missions which are at odds with Charlie, a lot of it just seems to defy

01:22:43.660 any kind of human benefit in any way.

01:22:46.180 And that, to me, feels demonic.

01:22:48.880 That the only purpose of making a video like this or of desecrating a memorial—why desecrate

01:22:56.080 a memorial to somebody?

01:22:57.500 You don't benefit from it in any way.

01:22:59.000 It only defiles and causes suffering.

01:23:01.840 And I feel like we've seen a massive uptick in that, which to me feels like demonic possession

01:23:07.080 or influence.

01:23:07.800 Yeah, so one of the things I noticed, right?

01:23:09.680 So you had this shooting at the Catholic school in Wisconsin, right?

01:23:13.860 Another story that happened within the same week that hardly anyone knew about it was there

01:23:18.120 was a shooting at St. Michael's Abbey in California that was thwarted, right?

01:23:21.720 So a man from Alabama drove all the way to St. Michael's Abbey, right?

01:23:26.080 He called himself the Angel of Death.

01:23:28.280 He's going to St. Michael's Abbey, right?

01:23:30.600 Who's the angel of life and defending the Lord, right?

01:23:34.260 It's a Norbertine monastery.

01:23:36.900 For those of you who don't know, it's like the monastery right now.

01:23:40.460 It's the place.

01:23:41.620 It's the center of traditional Catholic culture right now, essentially.

01:23:46.560 Yeah, especially because they're all over Instagram and that kind of thing.

01:23:49.180 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:49.940 They're doing a lot of great things there.

01:23:53.020 And so this man goes there.

01:23:54.360 This is within the same week as the Wisconsin shooting.

01:23:56.840 And I don't know the full story about how they discovered him, that he had this plot, right?

01:24:01.380 So that happened then, right?

01:24:02.820 And then you have the Charlie Kirk shooting the next week, right?

01:24:05.680 And within that same week, I received a letter in the mail from an unknown person in Miami.

01:24:11.400 Never met this person.

01:24:12.260 I opened it up, and it's all these just written – it's written in Sharpie, in red, white, and black Sharpie.

01:24:20.040 This obscene stuff about Trump, about conservative Catholic women. 0.63

01:24:26.820 And there's no real threat in it, but it's just gibberish.

01:24:30.900 And it was written on lottery tickets.

01:24:34.400 Man, that's the craziest part right there.

01:24:37.100 Yeah.

01:24:37.400 And so, I mean, I get this, and my immediate thought is I turned it over to the police.

01:24:42.000 I don't think it's threatening, but it's all in the same context of all of this.

01:24:45.440 And we've increased security to our schoolmasters.

01:24:47.460 Did you scratch them first?

01:24:49.060 You know, just to see, hey, hold up, wait a minute.

01:24:52.240 They weren't scratch-alls.

01:24:53.060 They weren't scratch-alls.

01:24:54.140 They were Powerball tickets.

01:24:55.240 But they were blank Powerball tickets.

01:24:57.580 I think this story was largely missed by most people because it was stopped.

01:25:00.900 Yeah.

01:25:01.000 So, NBC, look at this, Alabama man who called himself the Angel of Death arrested and accused

01:25:05.900 of threatening California Monastery.

01:25:08.000 They said that he had weapons, he had brass knuckles, a dirk, or a dagger.

01:25:12.740 I think it's funny that they have to qualify what a dirk is because people don't know what

01:25:15.480 it is.

01:25:15.820 That's so funny.

01:25:16.740 He had a large capacity magazine.

01:25:19.640 I think it's silly that that in and of itself was a crime, but considering the threats

01:25:23.120 he was making, they're saying planning, sophistication, and professionalism drove from Alabama

01:25:28.080 to the victim church to reiterate threats he had made via email.

01:25:32.080 Okay, so they're emails.

01:25:33.200 I mean, look at this.

01:25:34.160 Yeah.

01:25:34.380 Whoa.

01:25:34.800 That's what he had.

01:25:35.400 Golly.

01:25:36.200 So, that's a little bit more than just that he's carrying a gun on him.

01:25:39.500 What's terrifying is that-

01:25:40.700 The duct tape is concerning.

01:25:41.940 Right.

01:25:43.140 Yeah.

01:25:44.460 What's terrifying is the stories of violence or just this criminal behavior.

01:25:49.800 We've been getting so many of these things over the past several weeks.

01:25:53.960 It's scary when you realize the ones they stop you don't know about.

01:25:57.100 Yeah.

01:25:57.500 If all police and all law enforcement just said, we're on vacation this week, I bet you'd

01:26:01.960 have thousands of stories of things like this.

01:26:04.880 Just a few months ago in Abbeville, Louisiana, right?

01:26:07.820 So, they were having a Sunday Mass.

01:26:10.760 It was First Communion, I believe.

01:26:12.380 And a man came in with a gun and attempted to discharge him.

01:26:16.840 And luckily, I believe they have a person who was a deputy or something.

01:26:19.200 And so, they were able to grab him quick enough and then put the church on lockdown.

01:26:22.960 I think I heard this one.

01:26:23.700 But it's, again, it's one of these things that was thwarted, and so it didn't get a lot

01:26:26.360 of attention.

01:26:26.800 Yeah, there was someone who was attacked in Spokane, Washington.

01:26:29.860 A priest was attacked on the altar.

01:26:32.140 Like, someone tried to get up there and attack him.

01:26:34.460 And you can fact check me.

01:26:35.680 I don't know how true this is.

01:26:36.640 But I had seen a meme float or like a, you know, an infographic floating around.

01:26:42.540 So, this is not.

01:26:43.080 But saying there have been 500 attacks on Catholic churches since 2020.

01:26:47.040 It's been a lot.

01:26:47.520 Some absurd number.

01:26:48.780 I know of several just personally that I've like gone to a parish and they're like, you

01:26:54.500 missed it.

01:26:54.900 Last week, a guy fistfought our priest and we had to like grab him.

01:26:59.300 Like, you missed it.

01:27:00.280 Someone came in and like did this.

01:27:02.040 It's like, wow.

01:27:02.740 Easter Sunday in my parish this year.

01:27:05.760 So, I have two different churches.

01:27:07.360 And so, on Sunday morning, I go to 8 a.m. at one church and then come back to the Basilica

01:27:11.060 for 10 a.m.

01:27:11.620 And when I got back for the 10 a.m. mass for Easter Sunday morning, someone had come in

01:27:17.840 and taking the flowers off the altar and hurled them across the church, right?

01:27:23.500 It's just, it's wild to see these things happening.

01:27:25.820 Yeah.

01:27:25.940 I went to this church in Queens.

01:27:27.240 It was like a neighborhood where there was a lot of disturbed people.

01:27:30.860 And every, like every Sunday without fail, someone would come in, try to fistfight like

01:27:35.060 the pastor, try to fistfight.

01:27:36.660 And it was like a constant flow of just disturbed people.

01:27:39.380 And I'm like, what is, what is going on?

01:27:42.100 It's like the Gracies when they used to run their gym and random dudes would show up to 0.80

01:27:45.520 challenge them.

01:27:46.460 Your pastor's like, this is not a jujitsu place.

01:27:49.400 Like, what is going on?

01:27:50.820 I remember my pastor like started taking up boxing.

01:27:52.780 I'm like, dude, I don't blame you.

01:27:54.120 For real, dude.

01:27:55.380 You got to get a Robin Biggs situation going for him.

01:27:57.900 Just get him a big security guard.

01:27:59.620 Yeah.

01:27:59.940 And like the police were just like, again?

01:28:01.480 Okay.

01:28:01.980 That's crazy.

01:28:02.740 I don't want to be there later.

01:28:03.800 And it's like, dude.

01:28:04.500 I'm glad that, for instance, the Michigan shooting and the, I'm sorry, the Minnesota shooting

01:28:09.040 and the California shooting that was thwarted, both are being investigated by the FBI as

01:28:14.000 a Catholic hate crime.

01:28:15.360 I don't think that would have happened in the previous administration.

01:28:17.200 Yeah, that's very rare.

01:28:18.600 Yeah.

01:28:19.060 I was, yeah.

01:28:20.220 I got in trouble for being Catholic during the last administration.

01:28:23.420 This is interesting.

01:28:24.040 I pulled this up from Fox News.

01:28:25.160 It's from a couple weeks ago.

01:28:26.460 Attacks on U.S. churches have risen significantly since 2021, report finds.

01:28:30.500 1,384 hostile incidents targeting churches from 2018 to 2024, with more than half coming

01:28:36.480 in the past two years.

01:28:38.000 Oof.

01:28:38.840 Yeah.

01:28:39.400 Dang.

01:28:39.880 That's an uptick, and then goes towards the demonic presence in society narrative there.

01:28:47.500 I mean, the craziest thing to me is how it's hyperfixation on Christianity.

01:28:53.980 It's almost always.

01:28:55.700 I mean, there's tons of things in the mainstream that crazy people could target, but it seems

01:29:01.180 like often the political movements are targeting Christian values.

01:29:05.820 You can take a look at, I mean, I'll just keep it vague for the purpose of not being overtly

01:29:10.160 political.

01:29:11.340 The left in this country seems to object wholly to Christian values and give a pass to other

01:29:17.340 horrible values or religious structures.

01:29:20.740 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:21.360 Or religious structures that say they're close to Christian values but are not.

01:29:25.920 Right.

01:29:26.620 Well, like, look with Kirk, like, what specifically, what problems, what acts they have to grind

01:29:30.820 with them, what they're drilling down on.

01:29:32.160 Is they're drilling down on beliefs that are widely held by Christians in the United States,

01:29:36.000 which is, like, opposition to abortion, opposition to gay marriage.

01:29:40.300 Like, these things are very conventional and biblical beliefs.

01:29:43.880 Yeah.

01:29:44.200 And that specifically, they're not talking about his tax policy or his opinion on foreign affairs.

01:29:48.680 They couldn't care.

01:29:49.700 It's the specific Christian values that he held.

01:29:53.100 That's what they're drilling down on.

01:29:53.900 But my friend Harrison, who's the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs, right, he spoke at

01:29:59.820 Benedictine last year for their commencement address.

01:30:02.380 And, you know, and I did tell him, I was like, maybe you should have said all of these at a

01:30:05.900 commencement address.

01:30:06.500 But either way, right, I mean, he's at a Catholic college, espousing Catholic beliefs,

01:30:09.520 right, and he's talking about marriage and the family and encouraging them to go off and

01:30:12.680 have good family lives, right?

01:30:13.980 And he just, he's getting death threats, right?

01:30:16.300 People want him to be fired, right?

01:30:17.800 They're threatening his family.

01:30:19.120 So a member of the Kansas City mayor's office posted his address on Twitter.

01:30:25.260 Gosh. 0.97

01:30:25.800 You know, it's just ridiculous. 0.91

01:30:27.400 It's wild to imagine that being on the other foot in any way, shape, or form.

01:30:31.100 That if someone from another faith was like, remember to live out the values of your faith,

01:30:35.280 women, we're doing a range marriage, you know, or whatever, people would be like, yeah, 1.00

01:30:39.520 that's their culture.

01:30:40.740 Make sure you go and wear your burqa today. 1.00

01:30:42.040 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:42.520 It doesn't happen.

01:30:43.280 But when he does it as a Catholic university and gets like, what, a standing ovation or

01:30:47.660 whatever at the end, people are like, well, do you see all the women clapping?

01:30:51.000 That was evil, clearly.

01:30:52.400 Like, and then they go after him.

01:30:53.880 You're like, he's at a Catholic college saying Catholic things to Catholic people.

01:30:57.660 Yeah. 0.70

01:30:57.940 You're out of your mind.

01:30:59.220 Well, Stephen Crowder had a really great example of this years ago where, with this

01:31:02.720 baker in Colorado, they went and they said, bake me the cake with this message.

01:31:06.340 He refused.

01:31:06.760 He got sued.

01:31:07.040 They came after him.

01:31:07.720 They sued him several times.

01:31:09.460 And I believe it was Crowder.

01:31:10.400 He went to Dearborn, Michigan.

01:31:12.280 I could be getting the story wrong, but he went to a heavily Muslim area and asked Muslim 0.65

01:31:16.120 bakeries to make cakes for a gay marriage and a gay wedding, and they refused. 0.86

01:31:20.160 No one cared. 0.56

01:31:21.180 Yeah.

01:31:21.580 No liberal organizations came out and opposed it.

01:31:23.760 They were totally fine with it.

01:31:25.520 Just when the Christian says no. 0.97

01:31:27.520 Yeah.

01:31:27.820 Yeah.

01:31:28.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:31:28.920 There's the subversion of Christianity, because Christianity is like, to them, inherently attached

01:31:34.960 to whiteness somehow, despite the fact that it's a Middle Eastern and African religion.

01:31:39.680 Yeah, it's growing faster in Africa than anywhere else in the world.

01:31:42.100 Yeah, that then was put through the world, through Rome, and like, but this is so funny.

01:31:46.880 And yeah, they think it's attached to colonization or whatever, whatever that means.

01:31:51.720 Despite Islam also being a colonial... 0.99

01:31:54.340 Despite all cultures having a colonial history.

01:31:57.220 The Lakota Indians, the Comanche, the Apache, like, the Aztecs. 0.68

01:32:01.880 No one ever complains about how the Pacific Islanders colonized all these islands.

01:32:05.200 Yeah.

01:32:05.520 Yeah. 0.74

01:32:06.320 It's silly.

01:32:07.140 I'm half kidding, by the way.

01:32:07.480 Every single culture has been colonized by another culture, but we are somehow uniquely

01:32:12.140 evil because of our position in history and the fact that we did the Industrial Revolution,

01:32:17.080 I guess.

01:32:17.660 I don't know.

01:32:18.420 I think they just want to destroy us.

01:32:19.980 Yeah.

01:32:20.940 That's why they will defend, you know, everything they claim that they're opposed to can be seen

01:32:27.460 in other cultures they don't care about, even here in the United States. 0.57

01:32:31.760 Yeah.

01:32:32.420 It's just the United States.

01:32:33.580 Christianity is the bedrock of Western civilization, specifically the United States, and so it's

01:32:38.740 like, of course, these people fundamentally hate their fathers, and what is more paternal,

01:32:43.020 what is more representative of a father than Christianity, of God? 0.63

01:32:46.960 And so, of course, these people are going to react with not just vitriol, but, like, they

01:32:50.880 have a personal grudge against Christianity because they feel like it's in direct opposition

01:32:54.520 to every single thing they stand for.

01:32:55.880 Well, if you feel abandoned by your father, you know, you would also, I mean, and as a young

01:33:00.700 man who grew up without a father and made all the mistakes young men without fathers

01:33:04.340 make, I also was an atheist who was mad.

01:33:07.800 Why would you let this happen to me?

01:33:09.360 I didn't have a father to look to.

01:33:11.540 I mean, you know, and that's the number of...

01:33:14.220 And again, this might be something I'm being wrong, but I've heard from priests and even

01:33:18.460 other Protestant pastors and stuff, the number one indicator of if a child is going to grow

01:33:23.020 up and be a healthy, normal Christian adult is if they get to see their father be devout.

01:33:27.720 That's it.

01:33:28.780 Not their mother, not their cousins, not anyone else, not even their priest.

01:33:32.460 It's seeing your father submit himself to God.

01:33:35.140 There's a statistic I saw recently.

01:33:37.460 It was actually done by the Southern Baptist Convention.

01:33:39.780 They did the study, but it was if a child is the one to recommend the family go to church,

01:33:44.880 right, 3% of the families will go.

01:33:46.180 If it's a mother, 17% of families.

01:33:48.640 If the father recommends, 98% of families go to church.

01:33:51.820 That's the effect of fatherhood.

01:33:54.020 And so we are experiencing a crisis of fatherhood, I think, right now.

01:33:57.000 Absolutely.

01:33:57.360 I saw this video from Charlie Kirk, actually, in the wake of the devastating, horrible assassination.

01:34:04.880 Videos from Charlie have been going massively viral, and there's a really interesting one

01:34:08.980 where he is challenged on whether or not this country was a Christian nation.

01:34:12.320 And we've had this debate many times.

01:34:14.220 And we hear from liberals all the time saying they intentionally, the founding fathers intentionally

01:34:17.920 did not put it in the Constitution because it was not meant to be a Christian nation.

01:34:20.780 But what they're omitting from this is the reason why the founding documents at the federal

01:34:26.660 level omit religion was because the states had slightly different takes on it.

01:34:32.080 And so the federal government was saying, we're not going to force Catholic Maryland to agree

01:34:36.420 with Protestant Massachusetts.

01:34:38.520 Yeah.

01:34:38.620 And so the federal governments were stepping back.

01:34:40.880 But the states themselves, just so I pulled this up, required belief in God or Christianity.

01:34:46.700 Massachusetts required officials to declare a belief in Christianity.

01:34:50.620 North Carolina barred anyone who denied the truth of the Protestant religion.

01:34:55.040 Pennsylvania required a belief in God and the divine inspiration of the Old and New Testament.

01:34:59.200 South Carolina required belief in Protestant religion.

01:35:03.060 Virginia did not.

01:35:04.780 And Virginia guaranteed freedom of religion with no religious test.

01:35:10.020 New York guaranteed free exercise but still assumed general belief in God as a cultural norm

01:35:14.260 without a legal requirement.

01:35:15.460 Rhode Island, before the Revolution, it was founded on religious freedom and had no test for belief

01:35:19.260 in God.

01:35:20.020 Many of the states explicitly have in their constitutions Christianity.

01:35:23.360 I'll add to that.

01:35:24.100 I mentioned this in the car ride over.

01:35:25.440 I believe in the state of Connecticut, it's technically still part of the state constitution.

01:35:29.200 But a Catholic can't hold office. 1.00

01:35:31.720 Yeah.

01:35:32.660 And the American freedom of religion isn't freedom to just be like whatever.

01:35:38.120 Like, oh, I worship Flying Spaghetti Monster.

01:35:40.180 I'm edgy or whatever.

01:35:41.120 It's freedom to choose your denomination of Christianity without being brutally murdered

01:35:46.580 like was happening in Europe.

01:35:49.220 So Quakers, you know, Lutherans, Anglicans, and Catholics were like, all right.

01:35:56.680 And they were doing the meme that we're doing now.

01:35:58.740 We are at war, but not with each other.

01:36:01.300 Real.

01:36:01.660 Let's get these colonies going.

01:36:03.740 Listen, you guys go up there.

01:36:05.540 We're weird about Catholics.

01:36:06.980 And then, of course, we name it Maryland.

01:36:08.840 We're not beating the allegations there.

01:36:12.500 Just to poke everyone in the eye like we're mama's boys.

01:36:16.180 But they did amend a lot of their state constitutions.

01:36:19.140 They're going to be wrong.

01:36:19.460 But at the founding, they say this wasn't a Christian nation.

01:36:22.460 It's like, well, most of the states were explicitly.

01:36:24.140 We mentioned God in the Constitution four times.

01:36:26.820 That's not nothing.

01:36:28.140 Four times in your declaration.

01:36:30.420 You know, it's a big deal.

01:36:32.020 The motto.

01:36:32.880 Or the Declaration of Independence.

01:36:34.040 I can't remember.

01:36:35.440 But also.

01:36:36.160 Oh, go ahead.

01:36:36.680 Oh.

01:36:37.640 As far as Christianity goes with all them. 0.99

01:36:41.180 And I lost my train of thought.

01:36:42.260 It's all good.

01:36:42.680 Continue.

01:36:43.280 I was going to read this from the North Carolina Constitution.

01:36:45.320 It says,

01:36:45.460 No person who shall deny the being of God or the truth of the Protestant religion or the

01:36:50.640 divine authority either of the Old or New Testaments shall be capable of holding any office 0.76

01:36:55.240 or place of trust or profit in the civil department within this state.

01:37:00.000 That is just a—they worded that very, very well to make sure.

01:37:04.220 Yeah.

01:37:04.880 There's a lot of commas there.

01:37:06.080 Who said the Constitution was written for people who believe in God and would be— 0.73

01:37:11.820 What was it?

01:37:12.240 John Adams said for religious and more—or ethical people.

01:37:15.940 Yeah, religious and ethical people.

01:37:17.460 Otherwise, it would be insufficient.

01:37:19.720 Wholly insufficient for anyone else.

01:37:21.160 Wholly insufficient.

01:37:21.440 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:21.880 Yeah, South Carolina—the states that required Protestants, Catholics, were barred from holding

01:37:25.860 office.

01:37:26.120 So it's actually more than Connecticut.

01:37:27.420 Yeah, because they were coming off the heels of, like, the English Civil War and the glorious—so 1.00

01:37:31.640 it was more of a political arrangement because they were terrified of, like, what happened

01:37:34.920 to France and Spain.

01:37:36.140 Yeah.

01:37:36.380 And so, like, then, yeah, then the 19th century rolls around and then, you know, we get used

01:37:41.240 to Catholics, we're like, all right, you know, you guys, we drink a bit much, but you're

01:37:44.680 on the team.

01:37:45.500 All right, you can hold office.

01:37:47.300 Yeah, yeah.

01:37:48.520 But, yeah, and then, like you said—well, yeah, because I think it was Article VI of the

01:37:52.460 Constitution, like, bars, religious tests for federal office, and that kind of just trickled

01:37:57.640 down into the state constitution.

01:37:58.800 And that also was, like, a part of the undesirableness of Irish and Italian immigrants. 1.00

01:38:02.880 They're loyal to the Pope, yada, yada, yada.

01:38:05.300 Yeah.

01:38:05.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:38:06.360 So rowdy.

01:38:07.200 Yeah.

01:38:07.780 We are a rowdy bunch.

01:38:09.080 We are.

01:38:09.360 So, but, yeah, to say that America isn't inherently Christian is, like, a lie on its face.

01:38:17.840 It's a crazy thing to say and to argue for, to be like, Benjamin Franklin was a freaky 0.54

01:38:23.480 pervert, so everyone else wasn't, like, what? 0.73

01:38:26.820 No.

01:38:27.220 They make these founders, like, as if they're just these total progressives.

01:38:29.840 Like, if you could just show them, like, the religious demographic makeup of Michigan,

01:38:32.900 they'd be like, oh, I'm actually just never mind.

01:38:35.120 Explicitly Anglican.

01:38:36.080 Sorry.

01:38:36.660 Yeah, yeah.

01:38:37.380 It's fascinating.

01:38:41.060 We've had such debates over whether it's a Christian nation, and I think typically what 0.93

01:38:46.100 I find of many liberals is they're just ignorant of the details.

01:38:49.880 I did a political compass test earlier, which is going to be up at, like, 2 p.m., which finds

01:38:54.900 that I am a social libertarian.

01:38:57.040 It means I'm actually pretty lefty.

01:38:59.180 I do think the political compass test is flawed in how they ask the questions.

01:39:03.980 It presents absolutes, which, if you're not going to just assert absolutes, it's going

01:39:08.760 to call you a leftist because the questions are framed in such a way.

01:39:11.700 But ultimately, my point, what we really define as left and right in this country is whether

01:39:17.320 or not you believe what's true or you believe the lies.

01:39:19.980 And so often these debates, the reason why the right has Charlie Kirk, the reason why he

01:39:27.320 was able to do these big events and rally and debate is because the truth is on his side.

01:39:31.240 He knew that he could stand there, and whatever you asked him, he could throw the truth at

01:39:35.800 you, and these liberals would be like, well, I got nothing.

01:39:38.640 And that's most of his videos. 1.00

01:39:40.020 The left responded by saying he was insulting ignorant college kids. 0.95

01:39:44.580 He let literally anybody ask him any question about what they believed, and the purpose of 0.95

01:39:49.380 going to colleges to talk to these people is where – it's where people are supposed

01:39:52.900 to be learning about philosophy, morals, the greater world, and that's the place to

01:39:58.000 go do it.

01:39:58.780 Yeah.

01:39:58.940 Well, the problem is we – education within the United States, unless you're going to

01:40:03.920 a very specific liberal arts, conservative university, whatever it is, right, it's so

01:40:09.320 influenced by wokeism, right?

01:40:10.680 So I am the rector of a Catholic school in Mississippi, and I stay in contact with a

01:40:16.440 lot of students who are off at state universities and that kind of thing, and they're being

01:40:21.080 required to write papers against Trump or that kind of thing, right?

01:40:26.220 That's a requirement for class, right?

01:40:28.620 And so we're educating people on the state level, right?

01:40:33.320 I mean, that's a state institution, right, to question the government and to question

01:40:38.880 morals and traditional Christian understandings of the world.

01:40:43.780 And so, yeah, you're going to have people going after Charlie Kirk because they're being

01:40:50.140 told, they're being given this in schools that this is what they have to believe, right,

01:40:54.140 or they can't pass the class.

01:40:55.820 Yeah.

01:40:56.040 Well, I mean, the whole idea of free speech is only supposed to work in a moral Christian 1.00

01:41:01.040 society where murder is inherently abhorrent, and so you can't murder someone unless you're

01:41:06.760 in a duel with it, unless there's consent, because murder is a legal term.

01:41:10.940 You can kill, you can't murder.

01:41:12.840 That is, you know, obviously the difference between self-defense and stuff, and that's

01:41:17.340 where the confusion comes when people are like, you're a Christian, aren't you supposed

01:41:21.900 to be some kind of hippie that lets me do whatever I want to you?

01:41:24.780 You know, that kind of thing, and it's like, no, that's not what Christianity is, even

01:41:28.460 a little bit.

01:41:29.720 But so people, you know, we're supposed to live in a society where everyone has Christian 0.68

01:41:35.580 morality, has massive societal consequences, no matter where they go, in what state, because

01:41:42.580 if they go against Christian morality, people will withhold their ability to participate

01:41:47.560 in church, to participate in society at large, to participate in polite society.

01:41:52.520 But now we're finding ourselves in a situation where like, oh, actually, we're trying to

01:41:57.100 do the virtuous thing, and they, not only do they not believe in God, they don't even

01:42:01.380 believe morality is objective.

01:42:03.680 They don't believe in virtue.

01:42:05.700 They're all utility.

01:42:07.420 And if you're living in a materialist, utilitarian world, as set out by Marx or whoever, then

01:42:13.960 yeah, shooting people is what solves problems.

01:42:16.380 That is the utilitarian answer. 0.79

01:42:19.340 It drives me crazy when I hear people say, you know, like, well, conservatives, Republicans,

01:42:23.480 right, they're bringing Nazism into the country. 0.96

01:42:26.160 They go, I mean, it couldn't be further from the truth, right?

01:42:28.980 I mean, what was the Nazi agenda?

01:42:30.740 It was basically this utilitarian society, right?

01:42:34.100 To get rid of the sort of Christian under terms of everything and everything, and we're just 1.00

01:42:40.540 going to live according to money and our own beliefs and that kind of thing.

01:42:44.740 And that's not at all what the right is trying to do.

01:42:49.060 Yeah.

01:42:49.240 Every leftist organization from, I mean, the French Revolution, obviously, they destroyed

01:42:55.020 the Catholic Church.

01:42:56.200 They destroyed relics.

01:42:57.120 They murdered hundreds of clergy and nuns, beheaded them in guillotines, tried to make

01:43:02.820 them renounce their faith.

01:43:03.900 They turned the churches into the Church of Reason, which isn't super creepy or weird

01:43:08.880 at all.

01:43:09.180 Then they even tried to destroy the calendar and make a revolutionary calendar.

01:43:14.400 Napoleon, who had, he believed in liberalism, but he didn't believe in the revolutionary social

01:43:19.900 ideas.

01:43:20.680 So he reinstated the Catholic Church, put them back in charge of education and stuff.

01:43:25.940 And then he created a country that was so powerful, the entire world had to fight him six times

01:43:31.360 before they stopped him.

01:43:32.580 And then he tried invading Russia in winter.

01:43:34.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:43:35.240 You can't invade.

01:43:36.040 Well, you can't invade Russia if you're Mongol, but otherwise you can't. 1.00

01:43:40.040 And actually, I think it's funny that people call it the French Revolution, where there's

01:43:42.820 like, how many were there?

01:43:43.600 Four or something?

01:43:44.460 Five?

01:43:44.980 Yeah.

01:43:45.460 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:43:45.940 Like some stupid amount of them just chopping heads off. 1.00

01:43:48.560 Yeah, because there was the Vendée. 0.99

01:43:49.240 They did one of the first Christian genocide, or not the first Christian genocides, but the first 0.98

01:43:53.260 modern European Christian genocide, where the Vendée region of France refused to renounce

01:43:58.080 Catholicism or surrender.

01:43:59.940 And the rebellion there was so bad that they asked Napoleon to go, and he refused and was

01:44:05.200 actually removed from the military for a time.

01:44:07.860 Almost ended his entire career because it was so disgusting what the revolution was doing

01:44:12.500 to Bible-believing people in France.

01:44:16.040 And then, of course, that extends to the Bolshevik Revolution, the Spanish Civil War.

01:44:20.960 What's the first thing the anarchists did?

01:44:22.860 Let's dig up nuns' bodies and pose with them. 1.00

01:44:26.060 Let's sexually assault and murder people in the clergy. 1.00

01:44:29.340 Let's destroy churches and relics and history. 1.00

01:44:32.840 You know?

01:44:33.460 And of course, then they galvanize everyone against them.

01:44:36.380 And then they have so many problems that they can't even, they have to defend their own

01:44:40.380 supply lines and their own territory.

01:44:41.800 So, yeah, moral bankruptcy doesn't help you win wars.

01:44:45.560 They called it the Red Terror in Spain.

01:44:47.700 Yeah.

01:44:48.300 It was, I mean, it was so bad that Tolkien sided with the fascists in Spain.

01:44:53.660 So, you know, that says something.

01:44:56.080 If your better choice is Franco, then that's pretty wild.

01:44:59.620 Yeah.

01:45:00.120 Yeah.

01:45:00.660 You know?

01:45:01.840 August saw, I'm just grabbing a random portion of Spanish Civil War.

01:45:05.420 2,077 clerical victims, two months of Civil War, 3,400 priests, monks, and nuns had been

01:45:12.080 murdered.

01:45:12.920 The same day of the fatal injury of Buenaventura de Rudy, 52 prisoners were executed by anarchists,

01:45:18.860 militiamen, as reprisals.

01:45:20.880 That's crazy.

01:45:22.000 A priesthood.

01:45:22.500 Some of the Republican death squads were heavily staffed by members of the Soviet Union's

01:45:26.220 secret police, the NKVD.

01:45:28.280 According to Ronald Rodosh, the price the Republicans paid for Soviet aid was the very factor that

01:45:33.040 led to the Republic's eventual demise.

01:45:35.420 In exchange for military aid, Stalin demanded the transformation of the Republic into a prototype

01:45:39.140 for the so-called people's democracies of post-war Eastern and Central Europe.

01:45:44.440 Yeah.

01:45:44.860 And then they, of course, the leftists began to fight each other like they do.

01:45:49.560 So the anarchists were fighting the P-U-O-M or whatever, P-O-U-M, I can't remember.

01:45:54.500 That's who Orwell fought with, and they became disillusioned with them and left.

01:45:59.060 And then, of course, Orwell very famously talked about his experiences and how disillusioned

01:46:03.560 he became with communism and everything.

01:46:05.420 And now he stopped being a communist.

01:46:07.640 And, of course, he became a democratic socialist.

01:46:10.020 I can't remember.

01:46:11.400 But anyway—

01:46:12.140 30,000 priests and monks is the total number of religious men killed.

01:46:17.300 Yeah, it's insane.

01:46:19.080 Wow.

01:46:19.520 And people think it may be bigger, too, because there were religious people who went to Spain

01:46:27.480 to help and then weren't documented and were murdered or whatever else.

01:46:31.960 But didn't Orwell very specifically say while he was in Spain that the most voracious and

01:46:37.480 terrifying of the Soviet agents were young women?

01:46:40.580 And he was like, the women were always the ones who were the most intense and the most 1.00

01:46:47.520 willing to carry out party—pull the party line.

01:46:50.780 And I'm like, man, 80 percent—I felt like it was almost 80 to 90 percent women celebrating

01:46:56.680 Charlie's death and being insane.

01:46:59.080 And it's like, wow, that tracks.

01:47:00.900 That tracks pretty well.

01:47:03.400 When women lose the ability to nurture and to be kind and loving, even in the face of 1.00

01:47:10.700 hardship or frustration or whatever, that's when you know that's demonic, right?

01:47:18.540 Yeah.

01:47:18.800 That's the reverse of what a woman is, to cackle at someone's death. 1.00

01:47:22.700 There's this quote from 1984.

01:47:25.440 He's talking about the young women.

01:47:27.320 He said, we're the most bigoted adherents of the party, the swallowers of slogan, the

01:47:30.840 amateur spies, and nosers out of an orthodoxy.

01:47:33.520 Yeah.

01:47:34.520 Yeah, that's—well, that's Winston, the protagonist, I think, wrote that.

01:47:37.300 Yeah, yeah.

01:47:37.920 Isn't that wild?

01:47:38.720 Yeah.

01:47:38.920 Jeez, yeah.

01:47:40.060 It's really interesting how it, like, mirrors what's going on in our society a bit.

01:47:45.120 Yeah.

01:47:45.840 So, but, yeah.

01:47:49.000 What percentage of these—I mean, this is kind of what we've been getting at, but

01:47:53.900 of these emotional sort of ailments that we're seeing are just spiritual attacks from demons.

01:48:00.320 I mean, I know we've been getting at this for the whole episode, but—

01:48:02.760 Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I can give a percentage.

01:48:04.760 I mean, I would say, you know, obviously, of the calls that I get, the overwhelming majority

01:48:09.620 of them are usually some other explanation.

01:48:11.900 But I believe that, on the whole, what we're seeing in our culture, it may not be possession

01:48:19.300 in itself, right?

01:48:20.840 But it's demonic activity, right?

01:48:22.800 Yeah, yeah.

01:48:23.120 It's oppression.

01:48:24.460 It's the ways that, again, if we begin to live a certain way, then we're going to begin

01:48:31.440 to believe a certain way.

01:48:33.220 And so the enemy is influencing the culture in that way.

01:48:36.320 And it's all—it's a trickle-down method, right?

01:48:38.040 So why are women having a difficulty in understanding, you know, sort of the inherent dignity of being 1.00

01:48:44.680 a woman? 0.80

01:48:45.040 I think that it has to do with the fact that we have this crisis of fatherhood in our culture,

01:48:48.700 right?

01:48:48.820 It's all hand in hand.

01:48:50.960 And so when you take away one of the stool—one of the legs of the stool, the stool is going

01:48:55.880 to fall over.

01:48:56.920 And so then that's the enemy's goal, right?

01:48:59.340 Is he wants chaos, ultimately speaking.

01:49:01.200 How does the church, Father, determine force?

01:49:04.540 Because I know you told a couple times already where a priest had to restrain a man that was

01:49:09.140 trying to take the host.

01:49:10.360 Now, there's examples of that.

01:49:11.800 Everyone has probably heard a story like that.

01:49:13.700 But with the violence going on right now, how do you guys determine what's appropriate

01:49:18.540 when you should step in and restrain someone, when you should block someone from entering

01:49:22.880 the church?

01:49:23.560 Like, how do you guys come up with—how do you determine that?

01:49:26.100 Yeah.

01:49:26.360 So when the church is considering to perform a solemn exorcism, right, there's a standard

01:49:32.500 procedure that has to be gone through where they get medical tests and psychological tests

01:49:36.020 and that sort of thing.

01:49:37.060 If someone's in the instance, right, they're in my communion line, no one is allowed to take 1.00

01:49:42.300 the host, right?

01:49:43.020 So how do I determine?

01:49:43.880 It's like, well, if you don't consume it, then I determine to take it from you.

01:49:47.380 That's the way it is.

01:49:49.360 We don't have any—at least not in my diocese, we have no rules to determine who can enter

01:49:53.480 and exit the church.

01:49:54.680 Now, I will say since the Connecticut shooting, we're a lot more careful, especially about

01:49:59.060 our school mass, right?

01:50:00.580 So we're locking all the doors except the front door, and then there's someone at the

01:50:03.840 door monitoring who's entering and exiting.

01:50:05.800 But, I mean, there are going to be a number of people who are coming to my church all day

01:50:11.520 long who may have—you know, I may visually discern they're weird, but it doesn't mean

01:50:16.480 they're necessarily possessed, right?

01:50:18.360 I mean, there's—for instance, if you're in a populated area, you're going to find homeless

01:50:22.840 people in the church.

01:50:23.640 Why?

01:50:23.940 Because they need somewhere to go, and the church is open, right?

01:50:26.140 And so they should be able to go, and a lot of homeless people are dealing with mental

01:50:28.760 illness.

01:50:29.080 It doesn't mean they're possessed, right?

01:50:30.880 So that's a difficult thing, right?

01:50:32.340 There's no one that I'm just going to stand there like, well, you can't come in because

01:50:34.620 I could smell the demon on you, you know?

01:50:36.200 Like, that doesn't happen.

01:50:39.180 But, you know, I do think that looking at the culture on a greater whole, we can start

01:50:46.500 to see patterns that are—can—what's the word I'm looking for?

01:50:53.040 They can denote to us that the enemy is involved.

01:50:56.600 And maybe you want to comment on that as well.

01:50:59.080 But, you know, I think if we're seeing repetitive patterns of things that we saw in paganism,

01:51:04.580 for instance, we brought paganism up.

01:51:06.040 Well, we may not have people—you know, we do have some people building statues to idols

01:51:09.800 in America, but we may not have, you know, what we recognize visually as paganism, but we're

01:51:14.580 definitely having paganism within our morals today, and it's producing eventually the

01:51:18.840 same fruit, right?

01:51:19.520 We talked about abortion, human sacrifice, and violence, and this sort of hatred.

01:51:25.040 I think it's ironic that the word hate is thrown out so much towards people with Christian

01:51:30.880 ideals, when the reality, at least from my perspective, is that where the hate is directed

01:51:35.440 is Christianity, right?

01:51:37.980 Yeah.

01:51:39.200 Yeah.

01:51:39.640 Do you think—I mean, kind of in addition to that, we've seen—this was pointed out

01:51:44.940 to me, is that there's been a huge decline in hospitals.

01:51:47.560 There's been a lack of priests and nuns in hospitals, or just Christianity generally, less

01:51:52.260 Christian hospitals.

01:51:53.620 What impact do you think that has on, like, the physical ailment of people?

01:51:57.380 Oh, so, I mean, within the church, right?

01:51:59.380 So there's—ever since sort of just, I guess, the whole revolution of thought in the 60s and

01:52:07.200 70s, right, that every aspect of society was impacted, and the church was impacted as

01:52:11.540 well, right?

01:52:12.000 And so we saw a significant decline in young men becoming priests, especially women going

01:52:17.720 into religious orders, and we filled out in the church, right?

01:52:20.860 So in my diocese in Mississippi, right, so we're the largest geographic diocese east of

01:52:25.760 the Mississippi River.

01:52:26.940 So from one corner to the other, it's about six and a half hours.

01:52:29.220 We have about over 90 parishes in our diocese and about 30-something priests, which means that

01:52:35.080 all of us are stretched very thin.

01:52:37.060 So I'm responsible for, you know, I'm responsible for Basilica, another parish, for the largest

01:52:43.140 Catholic school in the state of Mississippi, in addition to other duties I have, where

01:52:47.040 I work, you know, for the bishop on some committees, and I'm working on my PhD, right?

01:52:50.540 So to use the line from Tolkien, right, I'm butter-stretched, you know, stretched thin

01:52:54.940 and too much bread.

01:52:55.760 That's how I feel, but that doesn't allow me to interact with people the way that priests

01:53:00.880 would have been able to in older times, right?

01:53:02.980 The house I live in is a three-story antebellum mansion that used to have tons of priests

01:53:07.160 in, and I live in it alone, right?

01:53:09.420 And so it used to be this community of Natchez, which is relatively a small town by American

01:53:13.400 standards, would have had multiple priests to go out and visit with people and be with

01:53:16.840 the sick and be with people who are struggling, and now they don't have access to that, and

01:53:20.620 I think people are suffering because of that.

01:53:23.300 But that's, like I said, that's an effect of the culture of the day, where people just

01:53:28.900 weren't being faithful, and so they weren't going into seminaries.

01:53:32.000 It's also a reflection, I think, of the abuse scandal that the Catholic Church went to in

01:53:35.260 America, that people didn't want to be, you know, put into an area where they're automatically

01:53:39.140 assumed to be an abuser.

01:53:40.840 Yeah.

01:53:41.020 I'll say, the day I was ordained, you know, I was walking to a restaurant and had my collar

01:53:45.240 on, and a woman held her son back from me and said, stay away from little boys, right?

01:53:49.280 I mean, so immediately, Catholic priests are assumed to be the wrong person, right?

01:53:54.200 But yes, we're feeling the effects of that in the Church.

01:53:57.120 I don't know if that answers your question.

01:53:58.180 Well, yeah, I was just curious, like, I mean, is there perhaps an increase in these physical

01:54:03.980 ailments?

01:54:04.500 Like, could this be a result of, like, spiritual attacks from...

01:54:07.700 Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying, is I think that because we have become more and

01:54:13.300 more an unchristian society, that's given the enemy a greater access to people.

01:54:20.500 You have to remember, we're a body-soul composite.

01:54:23.040 Our bodies and our souls are, as we're alive, they're irremovable from each other.

01:54:27.560 They are distinct and unique and together, and so what affects one can affect the other.

01:54:33.780 That's why sin has temporal consequences on our bodies.

01:54:37.360 Sure.

01:54:37.660 And so when you are spiritually sick or suffering or demons or whatever, that absolutely has

01:54:45.500 effects on your physical and mental health.

01:54:48.140 Like, for instance, I was severely depressed before my conversion.

01:54:51.380 Like, I had sought out medication and help for almost 10 years.

01:54:56.700 And one of the things right before my conversion that helped me push towards moving into conversion

01:55:02.260 was I was at the point where I was doing the best I'd ever done in life.

01:55:06.860 Like, I had access to women. 1.00

01:55:08.760 I had all the money I could want.

01:55:09.900 My career was going well.

01:55:10.860 I lived in New York.

01:55:11.660 I was friends with famous people, yada, yada, yada.

01:55:14.720 And I was like, everyone's miserable, and I am the saddest I've ever been and genuinely

01:55:19.120 thinking about ending it.

01:55:20.700 And I was like, what is going on?

01:55:22.760 I should be the happiest I've ever been.

01:55:25.720 You know, it was a spiritual sickness.

01:55:27.440 Whereas now, I don't even remember what it was like to feel that way.

01:55:33.340 I can kind of just remember the heaviness of depression and the sort of, like, strangeness

01:55:38.120 of being sad for no reason and the frustration at that that then begets more depression that

01:55:44.080 then makes you want to do less, then that makes you feel less understood, that then as 1.00

01:55:49.000 a man makes you feel embarrassed because you're like, dude, I'm a pussy. 0.99

01:55:53.040 I'm like over here being sad about nothing. 0.99

01:55:55.400 And when people ask me why I'm sad, I don't know, I'm sad because I'm sad.

01:55:58.860 Well, you have friends.

01:55:59.820 Do you want me to help you?

01:56:00.620 I don't know.

01:56:01.180 I'm sad.

01:56:02.100 And you're confused, and the depression builds, and then it begets itself, and then you're in

01:56:07.120 a cycle of destruction, you know?

01:56:10.200 And then you're like, well, I'm going to medicate.

01:56:11.720 And then what do we medicate with?

01:56:13.020 It's drugs, pornography.

01:56:15.120 Well, yeah, I mean, because that's what I'm getting at is, like, with the removal of the

01:56:18.020 clergy from hospitals and these sorts of institutions is, I mean, if someone comes in with

01:56:22.860 that sort of situation, they're saying, I'm feeling these things.

01:56:25.600 They'll just say, oh, here's some more drugs, and just, it'll go away, rather than providing

01:56:29.600 a spiritual solution, a Christian solution. 0.65

01:56:32.820 I mean, we used to, I mean, like, as a father of my household, I have the right to bless

01:56:36.760 my wife and children.

01:56:37.900 And so if my kids or my wife is sick, like, I pray over them and, you know, do the sign

01:56:43.380 of the cross and pray over them.

01:56:44.840 And, like, that is something that has been, like, really life-changing in our home.

01:56:50.680 I don't know.

01:56:51.180 I think if you're a Christian person and your wife or kids or people in your home are

01:56:55.540 suffering, like, pray over them.

01:56:57.280 Not just, like, in an interior way, like, for real.

01:57:00.960 Put your hand on them and be like, in the name of Jesus, like, I hope I heal this person

01:57:05.720 and take care of them and stuff.

01:57:07.720 At the very least, you're doing nothing but loving that person as best you can.

01:57:12.880 And at the very most, you're invoking the power of the Holy Spirit that can change people

01:57:17.620 for real.

01:57:18.440 One of the most contentious debates we've ever had on this show was Orthodox versus

01:57:25.680 Catholic.

01:57:26.960 Yeah, we get intense. 1.00

01:57:28.200 We're just so stupid. 0.99

01:57:29.620 I'm just thinking about how funny it's going to be with, like, the rise of Christianity now 1.00

01:57:33.240 among Gen Z, church attendance and all that.

01:57:36.600 I'm imagining, like, the political dispute of left and right in 10 years will be the Orthodox 0.95

01:57:40.620 versus the Catholics. 0.94

01:57:42.580 Yeah, once the right wins so big, we litigate these problems.

01:57:45.620 And it's like, the political debates on the stage are literally—how do you describe

01:57:52.740 it?

01:57:53.220 Internecine conflict?

01:57:55.100 Yeah.

01:57:55.240 The Holy Father has been making pretty wild strides towards maybe not church unification,

01:58:03.460 but church healing.

01:58:05.200 I feel like we might not unify the churches, but we might get to a point where the Orthodox 0.98

01:58:09.680 are universally allowing us to participate in some of their sacraments.

01:58:14.400 It's a cool year for him to become pope because this is the 17th anniversary of the Nicene

01:58:19.220 Creed.

01:58:19.860 Yeah.

01:58:20.360 Right?

01:58:20.640 So, which also, like, already denotes, like, okay, 1700 years is a long time for this creed

01:58:25.680 to affect, you know, the entire Western culture, right?

01:58:28.560 But it's a great time for him to start these dialogues.

01:58:31.540 Yeah.

01:58:32.300 He also recently reaffirmed traditionalism and the catechism in the face of German bishops

01:58:39.520 trying to bless couples in, like, a sneaky way against Pope Francis's orders.

01:58:46.380 And so, Holy Father's been doing great.

01:58:49.360 Way to go, Pope Leo.

01:58:50.240 Let's go, Chicago.

01:58:51.300 Yeah, there you go.

01:58:51.900 Go White Sox.

01:58:52.920 I love—Callin's got—what is that, Portillo's?

01:58:55.920 Yeah.

01:58:56.420 We're in a Portillo's shirt.

01:58:57.500 There you go. 0.99

01:58:57.820 Sick, dude. 0.98

01:58:58.240 There we go. 0.97

01:58:58.780 I don't know why.

01:58:59.200 Hey, forget about it.

01:59:01.180 At the RNC, there's Portillo's.

01:59:04.540 Oh, when we were in Milwaukee?

01:59:05.680 Yeah.

01:59:05.840 Really?

01:59:06.080 Oh, yeah.

01:59:07.320 Portillo's is the best.

01:59:08.160 Portillo's is good.

01:59:08.780 I feel bad for people.

01:59:09.620 I think they got some in California.

01:59:11.640 It's the best.

01:59:12.840 Well, I will say, so this is completely tangent, but the best fried chicken I've ever had in

01:59:17.720 my entire life is in Chicago, and I say that as a Southerner.

01:59:20.300 Really?

01:59:22.060 And it's the most woke, leftist restaurant you'll ever go to with the rainbow flags outside, 0.95

01:59:26.520 but I go there in my collar and get the chicken because it's so amazing. 0.80

01:59:28.960 This is like when gay people eat at Chick-fil-A secretly with their, like, they put on a mask 1.00

01:59:34.100 and everything. 0.97

01:59:34.520 I can't let anyone know.

01:59:35.820 I'll give them a tag.

01:59:37.000 It's called Honey Butter Fried Chicken, but I found it because I asked Siri after a Cubs

01:59:41.340 game where to go eat, and she brought me there, and it is the platonic form of fried chicken.

01:59:45.020 It's amazing.

01:59:45.800 Wow.

01:59:45.920 See, I never, I didn't know this when I was younger that, you know, because in Chicago

01:59:49.820 growing up, the coasts are where all the culture is.

01:59:52.120 Okay.

01:59:52.680 Chicago's actually got the best food, and there's like the culinary schools are very famous.

01:59:57.160 We used to do the Taste of Chicago.

01:59:58.160 I don't even know if they do that anymore, where you buy tickets and then all the different

02:00:01.460 crazy food all over the place.

02:00:03.140 The other crazy thing, too, is y'all don't eat hot dogs.

02:00:06.480 Yeah, people don't eat hot dogs anywhere.

02:00:07.780 I don't know.

02:00:08.420 Dude, I'm from Utah.

02:00:09.660 I'm going to tell you right now, we're drinking soda and eating hot dogs.

02:00:12.300 We're keeping it alive out there, brother.

02:00:13.980 But in Chicago, on a busy street, every other store is a hot dog shop.

02:00:18.920 We don't have burger joints.

02:00:19.680 We have hot dog joints.

02:00:20.720 Interesting.

02:00:21.340 Yeah, and then when I left Chicago, it was kind of weird because when you're in Chicago,

02:00:24.820 you'll see a big sun with a hot dog on it.

02:00:26.760 You go other places, and it's just like a diner, and they'll have burgers, but they won't

02:00:30.120 sell hot dogs, but in Chicago, they do.

02:00:31.820 Also, you guys don't have Jardinera because you're uncultured. 0.99

02:00:35.460 You're savages. 0.98

02:00:36.660 I don't know what that is. 0.97

02:00:37.700 Exactly.

02:00:38.100 I don't even know.

02:00:38.480 All right. 0.95

02:00:38.920 They are civilized and savage people. 0.98

02:00:42.880 It's an Italian thing.

02:00:44.220 It's cauliflower, celery, carrots, jalapenos, and it's pickled.

02:00:48.180 We put it on our food.

02:00:49.260 That doesn't sound good.

02:00:50.200 It's amazing.

02:00:50.900 It sounds bad.

02:00:53.580 Oh, yours just says sweet.

02:00:54.880 You can call it hot peppers outside of Chicago.

02:00:57.020 No, no, hot Jardinera.

02:00:57.920 It's on his shirt.

02:00:58.520 You see it?

02:00:59.020 Oh, Lord.

02:01:00.840 Chicago's coming back.

02:01:02.020 We got the Pope.

02:01:03.220 He's going to mandate it.

02:01:04.160 Bob from Chicago, the White Sox fans, our Pope.

02:01:06.140 Yeah.

02:01:06.640 This has been a lot of fun.

02:01:07.620 A lot to go over, I guess.

02:01:09.200 It's going to be interesting because the effect of the rise in church attendance and Christianity

02:01:14.600 among Gen Z is largely affecting men.

02:01:16.860 Yeah.

02:01:17.040 I think they are going to pull the young women kicking and screaming. 1.00

02:01:20.140 Figuratively calm down, feminists. 1.00

02:01:21.700 Before this revival, and I think I got in at the tail beginning of the revival, sort of.

02:01:29.280 I converted, I guess it would be three years ago, or I converted two years ago, but I began

02:01:35.100 my conversion a year before I was baptized.

02:01:38.080 But there were lots of women. 1.00

02:01:40.800 Getting women into church isn't the problem. 1.00

02:01:42.820 There's always lots of women for some reason. 1.00

02:01:44.740 Getting men into church is difficult because, of course, the church asks some pretty wild 1.00

02:01:49.060 stuff of young men. 0.99

02:01:50.760 Like, hey, no sex, no masturbation, no none of that. 0.98

02:01:54.620 Also, hey, you're going to be called to be the leader of your family and to protect everybody. 0.99

02:02:00.080 And if people treat you bad, suck it up and do your job and be a man.

02:02:05.120 And, like, that's hard.

02:02:06.640 That's what a man is supposed to be.

02:02:07.980 Yeah, but my mental illness and my self-care.

02:02:11.460 All of these guys that go online and look for, like, these red pill dudes who are like,

02:02:16.900 women are bad, it's not your fault, blah, blah, blah, men are mistreated, women have 1.00

02:02:19.880 all the privilege, and blah, blah, blah. 0.98

02:02:20.940 It's like, dude, guys were always the ones who would take off their jacket for the lady 1.00

02:02:24.860 to walk over.

02:02:25.580 Right.

02:02:25.880 Guys were the ones who would lay down in the mud and crawl through the trenches to fight

02:02:29.480 for what they believed in.

02:02:30.760 It was never that being a man meant you could sit on your couch, get whatever you wanted,

02:02:33.900 and be some king without doing work.

02:02:35.520 Yeah.

02:02:35.880 Men were always sacrificing for everybody else.

02:02:37.900 Real.

02:02:38.340 Right.

02:02:38.620 But it's been fun.

02:02:40.240 Gentlemen, do you want to say any last thoughts or whatever, shout anything out?

02:02:44.720 No, other than I appreciate the invitation to be with you today.

02:02:46.940 It's been fun.

02:02:47.500 It's a nice conversation, yeah.

02:02:48.660 Where can people find you?

02:02:49.920 So, like I said, I'm the rector of the Basilica of St. Mary in Natchez.

02:02:53.700 So if you look up our basilica, the only thing I really have out there is I have my homilies.

02:02:58.320 There's a podcast.

02:02:59.280 They can listen to me.

02:03:00.200 And I have just a few articles out there, but yeah, that's the background.

02:03:06.660 Very cool.

02:03:07.620 Christ is king.

02:03:09.380 You should pray if you haven't.

02:03:11.520 If you're a person who thinks Christianity is cringe, that's fine. 1.00

02:03:14.980 I know what it looks like.

02:03:16.020 I am Christian, and it feels cringe sometimes.

02:03:19.200 And that's cool.

02:03:20.240 Pray anyway.

02:03:21.000 Don't be embarrassed.

02:03:21.780 Be a man and do it.

02:03:23.040 And I'm a comedian, shanesmithcomedy.com.

02:03:25.740 I'm on tour all over the place.

02:03:27.800 I have specials on Dry Bar, Angel Studios, Amazon, YouTube, wherever.

02:03:33.160 Just Google face tattoo comedian.

02:03:34.900 You'll find me.

02:03:36.580 I concur, Crisis King.

02:03:38.540 You can find me on X and Instagram at Real Tape Brown.

02:03:41.040 I'll see you guys later.

02:03:42.540 I don't know.

02:03:43.100 If you were talking, you should chat.

02:03:44.420 Yeah.

02:03:44.620 You guys can follow me.

02:03:45.680 I usually work behind the scenes chat, but this was fun.

02:03:48.440 I thought it was a good conversation, especially in light of all the news.

02:03:50.840 You guys can follow me at KellenPDL.

02:03:52.560 Thank you, Father.

02:03:53.180 Thank you, Shane, for coming today.

02:03:54.340 And, yeah, see you guys next time.

02:03:56.780 We're back tonight, 8 p.m., for TimCast IRL, as we often are.

02:04:00.220 You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast.

02:04:02.080 Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you all later.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - September 19, 2025

Demonic Possession, Exorcisms, And The Soul Of America w⧸ Fr. Aaron Williams & Shayne Smith

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