The Culture War - Tim Pool - Dems Say GOP Wants CIVIL WAR, Portland OVERRUN By Antifa ft. James Klüg

00:00:00.000 Dude, like the shortest fuse you've ever seen.

00:00:02.680 And that's where, honestly, I was talking about this yesterday.

00:00:05.760 I think that they're pretty lucky that their opposition is so intolerant.

00:00:11.060 Because, you know, it's just the shortest fuse ever.

00:00:16.140 That video yesterday from last night of Nick Sorter walking through the encampment.

00:00:21.860 And look, like, actually, that's what all the local news stations should be doing.

00:00:26.540 That's journalism right there.

00:00:27.780 Hey, are they going to snap if I simply walk on a public sidewalk?

00:00:31.240 Is that going to happen?

00:00:31.960 Okay, so that's what he did.

00:00:33.080 And the entire situation erupted, right?

00:00:35.240 It just exploded.

00:00:36.880 Hello, everyone.

00:00:37.640 This is Tate Brown here.

00:00:38.740 I got a great interview with James Klug.

00:00:40.640 We discuss all things Portland.

00:00:42.560 He is on the ground in Portland.

00:00:44.620 And with these interviews, you do get a bit of background noise.

00:00:46.880 So apologies for that.

00:00:47.860 But it's a great interview.

00:00:49.540 Enjoy.

00:00:50.240 All right.

00:00:50.700 We're here with the great James Klug.

00:00:52.660 I don't know, James, most of the people in the audience probably know who you are.

00:00:55.280 But do you want to give a quick introduction to those who maybe don't?

00:00:59.500 Yeah, absolutely, man.

00:01:00.340 Thanks for having me.

00:01:01.040 So, yeah, I create street videos, do mini documentaries, interviews, political commentary.

00:01:08.180 My YouTube channel is youtube.com slash James Klug.

00:01:11.600 And in Portland, Oregon right now, documenting kind of what's going on with Antifa.

00:01:16.640 Yeah, so what have you seen so far?

00:01:18.960 I mean, this has been going on now for weeks.

00:01:20.680 But as far as the feds getting involved heavily, it seems like this has really ramped up the last few days.

00:01:25.560 It's like, what's the situation on the ground?

00:01:28.080 Yeah, for sure.

00:01:28.640 So I got into town two days ago.

00:01:31.460 And we went over to the ICE detention facility.

00:01:34.500 That's primarily like the entire block around the ICE detention facility in Portland.

00:01:38.880 It's where basically everything's going down.

00:01:40.620 It's just all day long, right?

00:01:42.480 Antifa set up encampments.

00:01:43.900 There are people there 24-7 making noise.

00:01:46.540 They've taken over an entire part of the street, which is obviously, you know, it's public property.

00:01:52.460 So they've taken over an entire part of the street.

00:01:54.400 But from what I've seen, you know, I got here what the day after Nick's order was arrested.

00:02:01.780 So I was kind of getting filled in on everything that was going on, getting an idea of what's going on on the ground.

00:02:07.500 And essentially what they have is they keep arresting, like, conservative, independent journalists that are going there.

00:02:14.880 And basically what they're doing is they're, like, displaying, okay, well, hey, I'm walking around.

00:02:19.140 I'm reporting.

00:02:19.860 I'm doing my stuff. 0.99

00:02:20.540 And that's enough to trigger the activists into completely freaking out, losing their crap. 0.99

00:02:28.220 And in his case, he was surrounded. 0.99

00:02:31.580 People were assaulting him.

00:02:33.220 Obviously, I mean, it's all, you know, it's all on video.

00:02:35.380 You can see it.

00:02:36.780 And he was, you know, I was doing an interview with him.

00:02:39.920 And he was saying, you know, I tried to defend myself.

00:02:42.600 I missed.

00:02:43.700 And then I got arrested for it.

00:02:46.600 You know, so he didn't even, he didn't even quite defend himself.

00:02:49.240 It's not like he, like, jumped into a fight or anything.

00:02:51.040 But we're seeing that kind of trend over the last couple days as well.

00:02:54.800 You'll see, you know, it's people acting.

00:02:58.300 They get to take over a certain part of the street.

00:02:59.900 If you enter that part of their street, right, if you enter that public property that they've, I guess, claimed, they'll start basically attacking you.

00:03:09.360 So the people that are fighting back on that, you'll get a few individuals that might go in there or something.

00:03:14.020 And a big brawl starts.

00:03:16.360 Basically, the people that are getting arrested have been conservative.

00:03:19.160 I think there's been a couple of Antifa members that just, like, outside of the detention facility have been arrested as well.

00:03:26.080 But it's, I don't know, it seems as though it's a little bit more one-sided.

00:03:30.840 And that would be more around, like, Portland Police Department, which is, you know, there's a different story when it comes to the federal property.

00:03:38.080 Portland Police Department has definitely had a hands-off approach when it comes to Antifa and the other left-wing groups that are there.

00:03:45.180 Yeah, I mean, because I keep seeing these videos of Antifa openly agitating right in front of police.

00:03:51.380 And then you pair that with the reports we're seeing where, like, the feds tried to board up the building and then they got issued a code violation by the Portland, you know, city council.

00:03:59.920 And so you're seeing these types of things.

00:04:01.280 And I don't know, are you seeing much, I don't know if collaboration is the right word, but are you seeing much, like, coordination between the police and Antifa?

00:04:08.140 Because there seems to be some sort of understanding that those two groups have come to.

00:04:13.000 Yeah, I mean, I think the overall approach has just been let them essentially do whatever they want.

00:04:20.100 And, look, I mean, for them that's really great because then they just get to take over blocks and harass federal agents all day and all that stuff.

00:04:26.720 But that has consequences, right?

00:04:28.020 So, you know, I don't know if I see so much.

00:04:31.240 Yeah, I've only been in town for a couple days, but for the most part, just across the board, it's obviously a hands-off approach when it comes to the Antifa militants outside, right?

00:04:40.580 So that's bottom line.

00:04:41.640 But there's consequences to this, right?

00:04:43.060 So there's, you know, taxpayers that are driving through this public street, right?

00:04:47.180 Because that's right out front of the ICE detention facility.

00:04:50.840 There's a storage facility.

00:04:52.340 There was a school, and that school, elementary school, that school picked up and left.

00:04:57.920 Okay, so they totally left.

00:04:59.500 I believe occupancy in the nearby apartments is around, like, 30% or so.

00:05:04.780 That's what I was told.

00:05:06.260 And so there's consequences to this stuff.

00:05:07.920 And so you have a lot of taxpayers that are driving through the street saying, why are we still dealing with this?

00:05:12.100 What is going on?

00:05:13.360 And, you know, I think at a certain point you're looking at that saying, well, the police department's not representing those people that have a problem with it, right?

00:05:19.840 Thousands of letters sent to the city.

00:05:22.220 They're not representing those people, but they are representing and protecting the people that are causing the chaos.

00:05:27.120 And the interesting part about that, too, is I was doing a bunch of interviews this weekend, which, for some reason, these people are doing interviews outside of the ICE facility.

00:05:34.720 I think this is kind of new.

00:05:36.420 That's not really a thing.

00:05:37.420 That certainly wasn't the case in, like, 2020 or 2021.

00:05:40.220 They weren't doing that.

00:05:41.720 So interesting.

00:05:42.740 There's a difference there.

00:05:43.680 But I was interviewing a lot of these people, and, you know, they were blaming all of that on ICE or maybe the Republicans, you know, because there's so many in Portland, instead of blaming their demonstrations and riots that were driving companies and schools out of town and causing the chaos.

00:06:03.660 Dude, I mean, at a certain point, because you're seeing these videos, like, Nick Sorter had a video up of, like, a Portland resident.

00:06:12.580 And by all accounts, I mean, just going off the numbers, likely they're a Democrat, likely they're a Kamala voter.

00:06:18.780 And you see them driving through, and they're clearly agitated with the Antifa, you know, basically functioning as traffic guards.

00:06:24.800 So clearly there's a frustration there.

00:06:27.160 For sure.

00:06:27.440 But this won't seem to translate into, like, any – it's not going to change anything election-wise.

00:06:33.220 I don't think so, because this has been happening in Portland for a while.

00:06:35.940 Like, I don't know why now all of a sudden they think it's any different.

00:06:39.640 But then you see the resistance.

00:06:41.060 You see the resistance once the feds come in and everyone loses their minds.

00:06:45.440 So, I mean, I guess all this is to say, have you spoken to locals?

00:06:47.940 What do you think about the feds coming in, about the fed crackdown?

00:06:52.860 Dude, it's Portland.

00:06:53.740 So, like, you will get locals that have a problem with it and stuff.

00:06:57.020 But for the most part, a lot of this stuff – I mean, the reason why you're seeing this hands-off approach when it comes to these militants that are causing this chaos, right?

00:07:03.280 The reason why you're seeing this is because the people in the city agree with it.

00:07:07.840 A lot of the people do.

00:07:09.040 And I feel really bad for the people that don't because, you know, they're just kind of getting abused.

00:07:14.180 But a lot of people in the city, a lot of people around town, even people in the apartment complex right across from the ICE facility, like, they're, like, participating.

00:07:21.460 Some of them, right?

00:07:22.620 And I would imagine the others are just remaining silent and hoping it stops one day.

00:07:26.160 I mean, I don't know what's going on there.

00:07:28.900 When it comes to the – a lot of it has to do with, though, is a lot of people don't really understand, like, the purpose for, let's say, okay, well, like, they're not understanding why National Guard would have to be there.

00:07:41.700 Because there are certain moments where – and I don't want to say, like, oh, the sky is falling and it's chaos all day long.

00:07:49.200 It goes in waves, right?

00:07:50.600 So outside the ICE facility, it'll be a tailgate for a few hours.

00:07:55.860 Then federal vehicles come through.

00:07:57.960 They come into the property.

00:07:59.100 Everyone starts freaking out.

00:08:00.520 And that's when violence starts to break out.

00:08:02.460 Now, naturally, things get more violent in the evenings.

00:08:05.280 It gets a little bit more chaotic.

00:08:07.280 Federal agents come out, deploy tear gas to break up crowds and all that stuff.

00:08:10.520 So it goes in waves for sure.

00:08:12.780 But when it comes down to the National Guard and the need for the National Guard, during my interviews, kind of one of the conclusions that – one of the things that appeared more obvious was that you do not need, like, 100 federal agents from – maybe they're ICE agents or whatever they are.

00:08:32.380 You don't need those people there to do crowd control.

00:08:35.700 That's not their job.

00:08:36.340 Right.

00:08:36.600 And when federal vehicles are coming through, you're not really supposed to have federal agents tied up there, like, creating a barrier so people don't jump on somebody's hood when they're entering or leaving the facility.

00:08:48.580 And so to alleviate those people, they were saying, okay, you bring in National Guard to assist that stuff, right?

00:08:55.440 That's, like, kind of their job.

00:08:56.560 They sit there.

00:08:57.160 They'll be able to direct traffic or whatever it may be instead of federal agents doing that.

00:09:03.020 So it's – I think the use for them would be more of that instead of cracking down on the crowd outside.

00:09:09.260 But it would probably be a mixture.

00:09:11.360 I mean, I'm not exactly sure what they would end up doing if they were deployed and if they arrived at the Portland facility.

00:09:16.800 But certainly one thing for sure is you do not need 100 federal agents inside the property 24, you know, hours a day.

00:09:24.460 Yeah.

00:09:25.120 I mean, that's what's so bizarre is when you see the videos, yeah, like, the truck rolling through.

00:09:28.900 It's, like, just a motley crew of three-letter agencies that are around just trying to, like, ensure people don't throw themselves under the trucks.

00:09:35.060 Dude, yeah, they're, like, dealing with what they got, you know.

00:09:37.480 So – and sometimes the crowd's more aggressive.

00:09:39.920 Sometimes they're not, right?

00:09:40.840 And so, you know, I'm sure you've seen the footage, whereas you have people outside that – I mean, dude, I watched some people full-on shoving federal agents and the agents just putting up with it.

00:09:56.200 There's – I think different agencies have a little bit less tolerance.

00:09:59.720 You'll see ICE will probably be quicker to make an arrest if somebody assaults them where other agents are going to be, like, okay, you know, letting the leftists blow off some steam.

00:10:10.840 But, yeah, I saw a chick yesterday that was full-on shoving them, putting all of her weight into the federal agents. 1.00

00:10:16.760 And it's just, like, I don't – they're getting this confidence, I think, from dealing with Portland PD that lets them do everything.

00:10:24.440 Right.

00:10:24.660 Like, it's essentially at the point where they could spit in the face of a Portland police officer and they're not going to do anything.

00:10:29.400 And if they do anything – if they do do anything, they'll be in jail, in process.

00:10:35.020 They'll be in there for one hour and release the next day.

00:10:37.560 And so I think that kind of confidence is moving over to federal agents and how they deal with federal agents, Antifa, these other groups, except for the consequences are potentially much more serious.

00:10:51.580 Well, I mean –

00:10:51.980 And I think that's actually breaking down a lot of, you know, how bold they are as well.

00:10:55.800 I think there are – you know, at times it will be a smaller group of people.

00:11:01.440 I just – I do think that them dealing with federal agents has calmed them down because they do know that the consequences are there when it comes to dealing with the federal government.

00:11:12.120 Yeah, I mean, because you're seeing – like, you saw it in Minneapolis where they throw around these federal agents and they kind of just take it on the chin because they don't really have – it seems like they just don't have the resources to make arrests, like, right then and there.

00:11:25.780 That seems to be the case.

00:11:27.120 And so I'm wondering in Portland if once, if, or when the National Guard arrives, then you'll really start to see them just sweeping through and not tolerating – you know, you look the wrong way, you'll get put in cuffs.

00:11:36.080 But, I mean, I don't know if you've seen that, yeah.

00:11:40.520 Yeah, I'm not exactly sure either.

00:11:42.020 I'm not exactly sure either.

00:11:43.740 You know, I just – the main takeaway for sure is definitely allowing the federal agents to go out and actually do their jobs, which is not doing crowd control outside of an ICE detention facility.

00:11:55.260 You know what I mean?

00:11:56.880 Yeah, it's – this is the importance of making – I think Portland would be a good case to make an example out of because now we're seeing the same situation happen.

00:12:06.080 It's happening in Chicago.

00:12:07.980 You got a little bit of in D.C., but D.C. was obviously different because it's a federal district, so they could go all in right away.

00:12:14.000 But Portland, since they've just been so unruly for so long, this feels like this is where, if you're the Trump administration, to make an example out of a city and go for the full crackdown.

00:12:24.220 I mean, because – I mean, you've been around the block for a while.

00:12:26.300 You've seen Portland has been like this for a very long time.

00:12:30.400 Yeah.

00:12:31.120 Yeah.

00:12:31.480 Yeah, and I think that's what their goal – it doesn't seem as though the event.

00:12:36.080 It doesn't seem as though the administration is backing down when it comes to this.

00:12:38.140 You know, you can't just allow, like, leftist militants to take over blocks of cities.

00:12:42.000 And, oh, you know, that's all we're going to do.

00:12:44.060 We're going to allow for our cities to just be – you know, have some sort of, like, chaos governance in one of our, you know, major cities.

00:12:51.560 I don't think they're looking to allow that, and I don't think they should either.

00:12:56.300 And there's a lot of people – you know, a lot of the people that agree with sending in the National Guard or maybe even – maybe they even disagree with that, but they just want this freaking chaos to stop.

00:13:06.400 I feel bad for a lot of those people because there are a lot of those people in Portland or in the surrounding areas.

00:13:11.520 And, you know, hey, maybe they go into town for that storage facility next to the ICE detention facility or maybe their kids went to that elementary school.

00:13:21.020 I mean, these are taxpayers being affected, and I feel often for those people.

00:13:23.840 So just for those people alone, they should 100% set an example.

00:13:28.780 The administration should use this as an opportunity to set an example for sure.

00:13:33.580 Yeah, I mean, because that's – I think people don't think about – a lot of people on the right have this tendency to kind of have this, well, just let them have it because they voted for this kind of mentality.

00:13:41.560 But people always miss the fact that all these suburbs – I mean, you're kind of talking about the city proper, but then the metro area.

00:13:46.440 The metro area is dependent on the city itself.

00:13:49.180 So, like, with New York City, okay, yeah, you let Zoran take over, and he runs it in the ground, and it's like, okay, well, that's what they voted for.

00:13:55.840 It's like, yeah, but there's 33 million people in the area, many of which are Republicans, who are dependent on that city.

00:14:01.900 So if that city goes down, the area goes down.

00:14:04.180 So Portland's the same thing.

00:14:05.140 I'm glad you hit on that.

00:14:06.240 It's like, yeah, a lot of people do depend on Portland.

00:14:08.120 It's such a bad mentality. 0.96

00:14:10.180 Like, oh, yeah, let's just surrender one of our major cities to a bunch of freaks. 0.92

00:14:14.380 Like, no, no.

00:14:15.380 How about actually we don't do that?

00:14:17.000 And, you know, we allow – it's just like – that gives way too much power to people that, you know, obviously do not deserve it. 0.94

00:14:26.660 I mean, it's just ridiculous.

00:14:28.200 So especially that New York – when people bring up that New York City example, I think that's probably the most insane thing ever because, yes, those – you know, that is our major city, right, when it comes to New York City.

00:14:39.280 And surrendering something like that has massive, massive impacts.

00:14:42.920 But I think just even if Portland was a smaller town, it doesn't matter how big, how small the city is, you know, you don't need to bend a knee to what are essentially domestic terrorists.

00:14:53.000 Yeah, I mean, with that, I kind of want to ask is, you know, Antifa probably knows that the hammer is coming down now.

00:15:00.180 They can see it in the air.

00:15:02.060 What are their goals over the next few days, do you think?

00:15:04.620 Is it just mass chaos?

00:15:06.340 Are they still trying to intimidate conservative journalists?

00:15:09.280 I mean, like, what is the – what's the game plan as far as you can tell for Antifa?

00:15:13.880 Okay, so I actually was asking a lot of them that question because, you know, they were talking to me, which, again, I was surprised about.

00:15:24.960 And you don't get too much of a clear answer.

00:15:28.340 You know, I think a lot of them really enjoy this.

00:15:30.380 A lot of these people that are outside, the ones that are camping especially, they're homeless.

00:15:35.460 And that's how it's been for a long time in places like Portland where you'll get the most aggressive activists are living on the street.

00:15:45.560 And so, you know, if you talk to them, essentially they'll say, oh, well, our goal is to run them out of town.

00:15:51.040 And we're going to be here until they leave town.

00:15:54.160 Like, okay, you're not going to – you know, they're not going to stop ICE from doing their jobs.

00:15:58.540 They're not going to get them out of town.

00:16:00.120 It's not going to happen, right?

00:16:01.340 So the goals seem a little bit unrealistic, obviously.

00:16:05.300 But as for where I think – if I think it's going to build or if it's going to dwindle, I think their most aggressive activists have been receiving significant charges.

00:16:20.860 And you can only keep that up for so long.

00:16:23.720 You know what I mean?

00:16:24.280 Like they're not dealing – a lot of the ones that thought they were dealing with Portland Police Department, they learned quickly that they're not.

00:16:31.620 And you're going to run out of those militants and those activists.

00:16:34.240 And so I don't know if it's going to keep growing or if it's going to kind of dwindle away.

00:16:37.880 But if I were to guess, the Trump administration doesn't appear to be backing down on this.

00:16:43.240 And, you know, maybe it will make it to 200 days straight.

00:16:47.200 But we have – keep in mind, we have winter coming up.

00:16:49.260 And a lot of these people are fair-weather protesters and activists.

00:16:52.560 And so that's going to probably die out.

00:16:54.760 Maybe it picks up next year.

00:16:56.640 But I think they'll probably start to run out of soldiers and people won't enjoy federal charges.

00:17:02.260 So, yeah, I don't know if it's going to be lasting.

00:17:05.260 Certainly their mission of getting the ICE detention facility out of town is not going to be successful.

00:17:11.160 Yeah, I mean, it seems like a lot of them invoke the Stop Cop City movement in Atlanta.

00:17:18.380 But all that resulted out of that was the state of Georgia just using legislation – like a brand-new slate of legislation to crack down on them for that.

00:17:26.200 And then this is obviously a different situation now with the feds in charge.

00:17:29.260 Feds running the show, obviously.

00:17:30.580 I'm curious, like – yeah, go ahead.

00:17:34.960 Oh, I was going to say, too.

00:17:36.100 I mean, like, so much of it is also LARPing as well.

00:17:39.580 Like, yes, there are serious activists.

00:17:41.360 But, dude, so much of it is just a LARP where, you know, you can tell when they come out of the ICE facility after they've been processed and they're all getting clapped for.

00:17:51.000 They're, like, looking around.

00:17:52.020 You know, they know they're getting eco-focused with all their Antifa friends that are clapping and cheering for them.

00:17:58.160 And a lot of them – I don't know what's going on here, but there's, like, 20% of them are handicapped.

00:18:05.240 Except for when you look away, they'll, like, get out of the wheelchair and start walking around. 0.90

00:18:09.240 I don't really know what's going on there.

00:18:11.340 But I do know that when it comes down to it, you know, they're kind of, like, playing a game as well.

00:18:17.220 Again, the only unfortunate part for them is the consequences when you're dealing with federal agents is it's a different ballgame.

00:18:23.300 And so they're definitely figuring that out.

00:18:25.420 But a lot of it is a live-action roleplay where they feel like they're maybe playing – I don't want to say Dungeons & Dragons because that's actually kind of cool.

00:18:33.700 But something much more – much weirder.

00:18:37.620 And, yeah, it's – they genuinely think, though, for sure, that ICE agents, you know, this is a Nazi administration. 0.84

00:18:48.100 All the ICE agents are Nazis.

00:18:50.440 And I don't know if you saw my video, but Julio Rosas, he's an amazing reporter, a field reporter.

00:18:55.860 And he was on the roof yesterday.

00:18:58.860 And he's sitting on the roof casually, you know, reporting from the rooftop of the ICE station facility.

00:19:03.540 And he's sitting there with a Joritos.

00:19:05.780 This is like a Mexican dude.

00:19:07.800 Yeah.

00:19:08.540 Many such cases.

00:19:10.400 Yeah, sitting there with a Joritos just chilling and watching all these people.

00:19:13.940 And you can see these people, like, not processing this.

00:19:16.500 They're just like, what's going on here?

00:19:17.960 You know, like they've been calling them Nazis and all that stuff.

00:19:20.360 And maybe they don't process it.

00:19:21.980 I'm not exactly sure.

00:19:22.840 But he was just – he was kind of chirping down saying, hey, did you guys stop the deportations to all the activists?

00:19:27.860 And that was riling them up, you know?

00:19:30.000 You missed me.

00:19:30.840 It's kind of such a joke.

00:19:34.660 But at the same time, you know, like I said, there do become moments where it gets more serious, where they are assaulting conservative journalists.

00:19:42.780 They are taking over parts of public property.

00:19:46.120 They are running businesses out of town.

00:19:47.940 So, yes, while there's a whole part of it that's a joke and you control them and that's funny, there are serious consequences as well.

00:19:54.000 And, you know, Portland PDs certainly protecting them but not representing the rest of the people that don't want a bunch of psychopaths taking over the street, you know, or an entire block.

00:20:04.640 Right.

00:20:05.120 Because, yeah, you see the videos.

00:20:06.300 They're totally Marvel-brained.

00:20:07.860 Like they view everything like a Marvel movie where everything is just like clips and LARPs and that sort of thing.

00:20:13.460 But then on the flip side, it's also they have nothing to lose.

00:20:16.980 So you have those like two elements where it's like they think they're in a Marvel movie and they're LARPing and then they have nothing to lose and they, you know, think they're fighting fascism or whatever.

00:20:25.040 So that recipe, you just get a bunch of unhinged people that are willing to do anything that are going to snap at any moment.

00:20:31.820 And that's like absolutely petrifying to see.

00:20:34.320 Dude, like the shortest views you've ever seen.

00:20:36.780 And that's where I honestly, I was talking about this yesterday.

00:20:39.860 I think that they're pretty lucky that their opposition is so intolerant because, you know, it's just the shortest views ever.

00:20:50.100 That video yesterday from last night of Nick's order walking through the encampment.

00:20:55.980 And look, like, actually, that's what all the local news stations should be doing.

00:21:00.680 That's journalism right there.

00:21:01.980 Hey, are they going to snap if I simply walk on a public sidewalk?

00:21:05.340 Is that going to happen?

00:21:06.080 Okay.

00:21:06.260 So that's what he did.

00:21:07.160 And the entire situation erupted, right?

00:21:09.360 It just exploded.

00:21:11.100 And, yeah, very short fuses.

00:21:13.580 But you touched on an interesting part, which is nothing to lose.

00:21:17.480 And that's actually the – that's one of the scary parts, right?

00:21:20.840 Because when you have people that have nothing to lose, they think that their opposition is literally Hitler and Nazis and all of that.

00:21:28.380 They believe the rhetoric.

00:21:29.860 They wholeheartedly believe it to their core.

00:21:32.580 Except for at the same time, you know, you think if they really truly believed that they would go even further.

00:21:39.940 But I guess we'll table that.

00:21:41.980 When it comes to them having nothing to lose, those are the people that are pretty dangerous.

00:21:44.840 Because they don't care what they do to you.

00:21:47.780 They don't care if they really go to prison or anything.

00:21:49.880 And so you've got to watch out for those people for sure.

00:21:52.560 And, you know, I think it's varying degrees of militants, right?

00:21:56.140 And as I mentioned earlier, the ones that are certainly more aggressive and have been more violent, especially with, like, the police department over the last five years, right?

00:22:04.920 Those ones are finding out that you can't do that with federal agents.

00:22:08.720 But there's also other ones that are, you know, homeless.

00:22:12.560 And like I mentioned, homeless.

00:22:14.160 And one of the homeless guys was one of the guys getting in fights last night.

00:22:18.600 You know, they're like this mixture between homeless and radical and political.

00:22:24.120 But they're like homeless by choice.

00:22:25.580 It's a very unusual mix.

00:22:27.360 They're homeless because they're communists is essentially what it is.

00:22:29.860 It's like that's essentially what it is.

00:22:31.360 You know, they're like it's a LARP that's going so far.

00:22:34.760 They are just playing the part of just saying, oh, I'm living off my community.

00:22:39.960 But those are the ones you've got to watch out for because, yes, they have nothing to lose.

00:22:43.400 And when you have nothing to lose, you can be pretty darn dangerous.

00:22:46.840 Nothing to lose and fill with hate, you know?

00:22:48.520 Yeah.

00:22:49.220 Yeah.

00:22:49.620 Not a good combo.

00:22:51.240 I got one more question.

00:22:53.100 I mean, we're seeing in Chicago.

00:22:54.320 I don't know if you saw, like, literally two, three hours ago, Brandon Johnson was like, the right is asking for a civil war.

00:22:59.940 This is like a repeat of, you know, of 1860.

00:23:04.180 He was invoking some very, very strong language, basically blaming MAGA and saying they wanted to start a civil war.

00:23:11.500 Obviously, Oregon's dealing with the same thing Illinois is dealing with, which is the federal government, you know, doing their job.

00:23:18.100 How do you think this relationship between particularly Oregon, but even Illinois, with these state governments and the federal government, which direction do you think this is going to go?

00:23:26.780 Are they going to cry uncle or are they going to continue to fight this?

00:23:30.060 I mean, what's the off ramp here?

00:23:31.980 Because right now it's a showdown.

00:23:34.180 For sure.

00:23:34.800 For sure.

00:23:35.060 I mean, I think that goes back to your previous point of there needs to be an example set because they can't all say, you know, if you give them an inch, they're going to take a mile, right?

00:23:42.980 So you give Portland the victory, then everybody else is going to fall asleep.

00:23:46.920 Great.

00:23:47.280 Awesome.

00:23:47.680 Okay.

00:23:47.880 They'll back down.

00:23:48.900 Well, you know, when it comes down to it, no.

00:23:51.320 It's okay to be conducting immigration, you know, enforcement within cities all across the United States.

00:24:00.240 That's absolutely okay.

00:24:01.060 And yeah, if you're going to have a riot outside of a detention facility every single day or every single weekend, it's absolutely okay to be sending National Guard to go make sure that our federal troops or federal agents, I mean, are protected and are able to do their jobs without, you know, getting murdered.

00:24:18.080 Like that just, that's okay to be doing.

00:24:20.560 And so I think, I think going back to my previous point of winter is coming up.

00:24:25.480 A lot of these people are fair weather protesters and rioters that'll probably die out. 0.71

00:24:29.320 Will it pick up?

00:24:30.020 And I don't know, you know, it's kind of hard to tell what the future holds.

00:24:33.740 One thing I will say for certain is the Trump administration is 100% not backing down.

00:24:38.780 They're taking this very seriously just from what I've seen, especially after Nick Sorter.

00:24:44.320 You know, apparently Trump was reaching out to Nick Sorter after him being assaulted.

00:24:47.700 Like, yeah, we're not going to put up with that, you know, we're not going to put up with American journalists getting assaulted for simply doing their jobs just because these people, you know, can't handle somebody filming them and committing crimes.

00:25:02.880 Right.

00:25:04.240 But as for what's going on in Chicago, I'm going to go over to Chicago probably this week to go check it out.

00:25:10.420 And hopefully, like this weekend, we'll go over there to kind of see what's going on on the ground over there.

00:25:16.960 But I think across the board, a lot of these things go in waves where, hey, there'll be mellow, a bunch of those violent people.

00:25:25.360 Maybe they committed a maybe they, you know, committed a crime and they go away for a bit or they're getting slapped.

00:25:31.360 You know, they're slapping federal charges on these people, assaulting federal agents.

00:25:35.460 And I think after that, you know, after you start to see a little bit more of those charges, I think it probably will die down a little bit.

00:25:43.880 It's hard to see.

00:25:44.620 Again, it's hard to say what's going to be coming in the future.

00:25:47.160 But for the most part, I think, yeah, again, over in Chicago, you get those psychos.

00:25:52.940 And after that, after some of those people are made an example out of, you'll probably end up with less brave individuals outside of these facilities protesting, if I were to guess.

00:26:03.900 Yeah.

00:26:04.860 Man.

00:26:05.100 You know, so.

00:26:06.280 This is going to be a big week.

00:26:07.320 I mean, with the rhetoric and then now with the actions, the court rulings on the National Guard appointments, like this is going to be a crazy week.

00:26:13.860 So, I mean, where can people find you?

00:26:16.280 Or, yeah, I mean, any final thoughts, too?

00:26:18.800 I was just going to say, I mean, what we really do not want is we really do not want this rhetoric to continue where more ICE agents are being assaulted or even, you know, people are taking this into their own hands and trying to attack or murder federal agents.

00:26:36.700 That's where we do not want this to be going.

00:26:38.820 And so I'm hoping, I think most of us, right, are hoping that this is able to, you know, they're able to get those psychos off the street that are actually out there rioting out front of these facilities, get those people off the street before they do something more dangerous.

00:26:53.560 Yeah.

00:26:54.840 Dude, I mean, that's what it is.

00:26:56.320 It's just, we got to cool this down.

00:26:57.760 Sorry, adults here.

00:26:58.920 Yeah.

00:26:59.240 Enough.

00:27:00.480 But, yeah, where can, where can people, I mean, and you said you might be heading to Chicago.

00:27:02.980 Where can people find you?

00:27:04.440 Yeah, you guys, check my work out.

00:27:06.240 You can do real James Kluge, that's K-L-U-G, on X, and James Kluge on YouTube, that's K-L-U-G, youtube.com slash James Kluge.

00:27:14.900 I'll be posting a video the next, like, couple days from Portland.

00:27:17.640 We got a lot of interesting interviews and all that, so definitely check it out.

00:27:21.700 Based.

00:27:22.080 Well, thank you, Patriot.

00:27:23.000 Really appreciate it.

The Culture War - Tim Pool

Dems Say GOP Wants CIVIL WAR, Portland OVERRUN By Antifa ft. James Klüg

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