On today's show, we have a special guest on the show, Rep. Thomas Massey (D-NJ). He talks about the latest in the Epstein scandal, the latest on the Obama/Tulsi Gabbard/Russia scandal, and more!
00:05:08.800If you listened intently and you followed up with questions, they would always admit that they were alluding to some kind of social media influence program.
00:05:19.480In the file that I read that the DNI put out, it alludes to people leaking information to the press.
00:05:31.640I'd like to know who those individuals are.
00:05:34.000Can we go subpoena people and find out who were the leakers?
00:05:40.560If that was an illegal and false leak, then who were they?
00:05:50.340Do you think, you know, a lot of people like Tulsi Gabbard herself said this was a treasonous conspiracy.
00:05:56.020First question is on the on the part of government.
00:05:58.660Do you agree with that assessment that the Obama administration was conspiring to undermine the authority at first the campaign, then the authority of Donald Trump?
00:06:06.840If you're asking me to tell you if I'm surprised that this was going on, the answer would be absolutely not.
00:06:16.460Like, my default position, Tim, is that this whole mess up here is a treasonous conspiracy.
00:06:22.940That pretty much everybody, it's in D.C., that is part of a treasonous conspiracy.
00:06:49.300So, but to be specific, you know, when I read those documents, it alludes to somebody leaked some information to mislead the press into thinking that they were changing vote totals and not just doing some social media policy, some social media bots or something.
00:07:10.680Let's, I mean, I would like for this administration to dig deeper and investigate that and find out who was the leak, because that sounds like an illegal activity to me.
00:07:22.240You know, the fact that Obama was trying to direct people to misrepresent the facts, look, that went on during the Biden administration with COVID on the vaccines and everything.
00:07:35.180And I've done investigations there and proven it.
00:07:44.460I guess they've already moved on, but you had the, the, the thing that I'm alluding to is I did like five hour depositions of top FDA officials who admitted that they were pressured by the Biden administration to basically skip steps in the approval process to get the full approval of the vaccine so that they could be mandated.
00:08:06.040They were told so that the government can mandate these.
00:08:09.740We need you guys to skip steps and get these things on the approval list.
00:08:59.160But kind of to bring this all together, because you do bring, you make an interesting point to one, the leaks that were coming from these holdovers intending to undermine the presidency.
00:09:12.760He ordered Brennan, according to this document, to publish this full review, despite the intelligence community saying a sentence fragment is not usable intelligence.
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00:10:19.080We've seen selective leaks where only one page of like a 10-page report gets out so that it screws with the context.
00:10:25.400But so what I was getting at is you went on to mention COVID, right?
00:10:30.060There are many people who believe that the lockdowns implemented at the state level were intended to help Democrats steal the election by implementing mass motor.
00:10:39.680I'm sorry, mass mail-in voting and things like this.
00:10:42.980So you mentioned, you know, the FDA individuals saying that they were pressured to get these approvals.
00:10:49.060Do you think that was political or do you think that they were doing this?
00:10:53.820I'm not trying to directly conflate those two, that theory with this.
00:10:57.340But just to start here, do you think they were pressured for political purposes for some kind of policy advantage?
00:11:03.060Or do you think it was big pharma trying to make money or is there something else?
00:12:05.040There's you know, when I remember talking to Marjorie Taylor Greene about how they never actually even have floor votes on these bills.
00:12:11.960And it's like just a handful of people grunting and it was, you know, you, her as well as several others forcing Congress to do their jobs.
00:12:19.800Yeah. Now y'all are taking a month off.
00:12:22.340You know, it really does feel like the true machinations of D.C. are like House of Cards.
00:12:44.260Like at least Frank Underwood, like he had a plan.
00:12:48.180What's really going up here on up here is it's most of there's conspiracy theories.
00:12:53.820Right. But it's mostly just uninformed self-interests at work and a bunch of clowns that are trying to have no plan and they're trying to figure out how to get to the next week.
00:13:04.300And, you know, the next episode is going to be another clown car.
00:13:09.120And the difference here is the whole cast is taking five weeks off and there won't be a clown show for a while.
00:13:16.080You'll have to see it back in your district.
00:15:36.360But but but now we have air conditioning and we have tunnels that, you know, this building behind me, I'm connected to that building through a tunnel that's air conditioned.
00:15:44.580I can get over to the Capitol from my office here without ever, you know, seeing being exposed to sun and in a 70 degree, 30 percent humidity environment.
00:15:56.640So there's really no reason anymore to go home during August, especially if the work's not done.
00:16:02.720I got the perfect question to transition these two stories.
00:16:05.860Do you think that Trump and, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, his administration are being serious about the Obama accusations and that they're actually going to take action in some form, criminal prosecutions?
00:16:19.060Or is it just a distraction with perfect timing because of the Epstein story?
00:16:23.960Well, here in the House, I don't know what their intent is.
00:16:29.260I can tell you, I know Tulsi Gabbard and her intentions are as pure as wind driven snow based on my interactions with her privately after she left Congress and also when she was in Congress.
00:16:46.660I think she's working within a swamp over there and it's going to be hard to get actual results.
00:16:53.960Like I said, they should be tracking down who the fake leakers were and they should be prosecuting them.
00:17:02.260Because if the if the middlemen who always carry out these dirty deeds never get prosecuted or held to task, then they're just going to keep doing it with impunity, regardless of who won the election and who's up at the top and who the DNI is.
00:17:17.440And so but now here in the House, oh, it's a welcome distraction.
00:17:22.960They they the leadership here in the House, they do not want to talk about Epstein and they will talk.
00:17:28.900They love having this other thing to talk about right now, even though they themselves have no intention of doing anything of anything about either of them.
00:17:36.860What what's going on? This is the weirdest thing to me.
00:17:39.820It seems like the Trump administration is simultaneously making the Epstein story the biggest news while also calling for it to be obstructed.
00:17:50.080Well, let me let me give you the what I think is a 30,000 foot view here.
00:17:57.420A lot of us, myself included, were excited to elect Trump and have a bull in the China shop.
00:18:04.020Many people were apathetic that there's an elite ruling class and rich people who are beyond the judicial system, who basically run everything in Washington, D.C., and even globally, and that Trump would come up here and expose these people and disrupt that.
00:18:23.340And the Epstein case isn't the be all and end all, but it's the perfect snapshot, the perfect prototype of what we're talking about here.
00:18:32.780And so it's completely off brand and out of character for this administration, having run on this issue, at least all the people around him, to want to sweep it under the rug now.
00:18:46.740And here's the danger of that politically.
00:18:51.200I mean, Americans deserve transparency and the victims deserve justice.
00:18:55.340But it's bad politics because we're going to it's going to be a bloodbath in the midterms because all those people who Trump cured their apathy, they're going to go back to being apathetic if we don't follow through on this.
00:19:08.900So, you know, I'm going to talk to Mike Johnson later today, and this is what I'm going to tell him.
00:19:14.020Look, the best thing you could do is show people we were serious when they gave us the Trump presidency, a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate.
00:19:23.760We were serious about holding people accountable, even if they're part of an elite, rich and powerful group that's normally beyond the law.
00:19:38.920If Mike Johnson would bring this thing to a vote, I know it creates a little bit of daylight between him and Trump, which he doesn't want to have any daylight between the two of them.
00:19:48.180But it's necessary for us to keep the the majority in the midterms.
00:19:53.340But why would Trump oppose the release of these files, especially if they're arguing there's nothing there?
00:20:14.940Find out who paid people not to have not to get prosecuted, OK, or not to bring charges against them.
00:20:22.340But is there you know some of the names of the individuals or is this assumptive based on the story as reported with the flight logs and stuff?
00:20:33.900Are you assuming that there would have been people who were charged or took plea bargains or is there actual intelligence that they did prosecute people associated with Epstein?
00:20:42.780I don't have anything in my possession that you can't also get from the news.
00:21:38.580I remember sitting through the Stormy Daniels hearings in the Oversight Committee and I took up for him and we had his weaselly lawyer there who admitted to lying for Trump, even though Trump didn't ask him to lie.
00:21:53.100You know, and anyways, that's all been aired.
00:21:57.520I think Trump is somewhat immune from those sort of scandals at this point.
00:22:08.420And now what we're talking about, though, is there probably are some people who are friends of Donald Trump, elite and powerful people that he's had dinners with who could be embarrassed.
00:22:23.840And so I think that is one motivation.
00:22:27.840And I think the other motivation is and this is I'm not just pulling this out of thin air.
00:22:33.800There are court records back when they gave Epstein his first deal down in Florida that say he was connected to intelligence.
00:22:41.840And I think we need to know what that connection was, because if he's gone and they're still the same people who were collecting intelligence using Epstein probably have somebody else right now doing the same stuff.
00:23:47.120I may disagree with both of you on certain political issues, but I think that is a genuine attempt at getting this stuff published for the for the public good.
00:23:54.660But the rest of the Democratic Party, I don't trust.
00:23:57.240Now, to be honest, the Republicans have me questioning why they're holding back on this.
00:24:01.540But what is the motivation of the Democratic Party when they're when they're guiding principle for the past decade has just been we hate Trump?
00:24:09.480Yeah. And thank you for excluding Ro Khanna.
00:24:12.260I want to exclude him as well from from the indictment I'm going to deliver of the Democrats.
00:24:18.320Look, they they're at the foot of the cross now.
00:24:21.080Right. I don't think they're believers, but they're at the foot of the cross and I don't care how they got to the foot of the cross.
00:24:26.340They're here. And it creates an opportunity to get these files out.
00:25:06.700I did not introduce legislation when Biden was president or during the first six months of Trump's presidency.
00:25:13.620And here's the reason I'm introducing it now.
00:25:17.460There's four hundred and thirty five members up here.
00:25:20.020I just kind of assumed somebody else was working on this and that these things would get released.
00:25:26.480And what I realized, two things here recently.
00:25:30.820Number one, the people who were allegedly working on releasing this stuff had no intention of releasing it or they've stubbed their toe.
00:25:39.260They've been taken into a back room and something's been whispered in their ear and they've immediately lost interest in releasing it.
00:25:46.500OK, so they were insincere or not able or they have changed their mind all of a sudden.
00:25:53.780That's one thing. Number two, politics is the art of the possible.
00:25:59.300OK, if you introduce legislation when Joe Biden was president, it's true.
00:26:04.320The Democrats would not be sincerely involved.
00:26:07.420They're not sincerely involved now, but they are interested.
00:26:11.880Some of them are sincere, but the majority of them are not are doing this because Trump is president.
00:26:18.940I mean, let's be honest. But I've also got some sincere Republicans who you have to be really sincere at this point to to have President Trump,
00:26:31.920whose favorability is, you know, 90 percent among Republicans in just about any state.
00:26:38.000If you're a Republican member of Congress and you've co-sponsored my legislation, which a dozen people have.
00:26:45.520Man, you you deserve some kind of at least a certificate suitable for framing because that kind of courage doesn't exist up here most of the time.
00:26:57.800And we need basically every Dem to sign my discharge petition and five or six Republicans.
00:27:04.040And we've got twice that many Republicans as co-sponsors this legislation now.
00:27:09.700I got to be honest, if I was going to make a bet, I'd say that the only reason Democrats are agreeing to sign on is under the assumption that the bill will lose.
00:27:18.400And I'm pretty sure. I mean, I could be wrong.
00:27:21.380You know, you would know better than me.
00:27:22.620But I kind of feel like if this actually went to a vote, a lot of Democrats would be voting against it,
00:27:28.520despite the the image they're trying to portray right now, because there there are elites who are terrified of being exposed.
00:27:36.680There are people who get super PAC contributions that fund their campaigns and someone's going to come and give them a wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
00:27:43.600This can't happen. We'll pull your funds and they're going to vote no.
00:27:47.300Well, I think if there is an off ramp somewhere between passing my resolution and getting this done,
00:27:56.540that there will be Republicans looking for that off ramp and there will be Democrats looking for that off ramp.
00:28:02.120In other words, even if I do get this passed and I'm going to disagree with you a little bit.
00:28:09.500If I can get this to the floor, and by the way, I think I got the signatures to get this to the floor.
00:28:16.160And Mike Johnson can try to derail it with some parliamentary procedure.
00:28:19.960But then the vote on that parliamentary issue becomes the litmus test of whether you want to expose the Epstein files or not.
00:28:26.600And everybody needs to understand when they try to do the shell game there at the end and use a procedural vote to take my vote out,
00:28:35.020then that becomes the vote we all need to watch.
00:28:37.300But let's assume Mike Johnson operates in good faith and follows the rules of the House of Representatives that were put in place at the beginning of the Congress.
00:28:46.920Literally, we vote on the rules and then we vote on the Speaker.
00:28:50.480And those two things happen the same day.
00:28:52.220Okay, let's assume he operates in good faith and brings this to the floor.
00:28:57.320I think there's a chance you get unanimous passage.
00:29:01.820I think, do you want to be one of the 12 people in Congress that doesn't vote for this?