The Culture War - Tim Pool - DNI Documents PROVES Obama COUP, MAGA Demands Obama ARREST For TREASON ft. Thomas Massie

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00:01:23.640 The difference between Washington, D.C.

00:01:27.760 and real life and House of Cards is in House of Cards, there was somebody who had a plan.

00:01:33.360 Like at least Frank Underwood, like he had a plan.

00:01:37.280 What's really going on up here is it's most of, there's conspiracy theories, right? 0.93

00:01:43.300 But it's mostly just uninformed self-interests at work and a bunch of clowns that are trying,

00:01:49.720 they have no plan and they're trying to figure out how to get to the next week. 0.68

00:01:53.180 We have this report from Axios.

00:01:56.040 MAGA demands arrests after Trump accuses Obama of treason, but it's not so simple.

00:02:02.520 Tulsi Gabbard has put out information that shows Obama ordered the release of fragmented,

00:02:11.640 highly dubious intel that proved nothing in order to claim Putin was trying to get Trump elected.

00:02:19.140 This was the basis for a years long witch hunt in which the Mueller investigation bogged down

00:02:26.740 Donald Trump.

00:02:27.800 His appointees were jammed up.

00:02:30.540 His presidency was completely undermined.

00:02:33.800 Many have called this a coup.

00:02:36.080 Tulsi Gabbard has called this a treasonous conspiracy.

00:02:39.320 Now, right now we have a couple big political scandals.

00:02:42.480 Before we get to know that, I want to stress Trump has major legislative victories right now.

00:02:47.520 Now, IRS staff being curtailed.

00:02:51.140 This reported yesterday, 26,000 individuals, the border secure tariffs, no hyperinflation,

00:02:57.440 new trade deals benefiting America.

00:02:59.680 But while Donald Trump is engaging in policy agenda items as he is doing this and succeeding,

00:03:07.000 the Obama scandal and the Epstein scandal are weighing him down.

00:03:10.500 Now, right now, Thomas Massey and Rochon have a bill that would force the release of the Epstein files,

00:03:14.880 and he wants those to be put up.

00:03:16.880 But the House says we're going on recess.

00:03:19.040 It's been scheduled, and we're not going to have any more votes.

00:03:22.560 So we're going to be bringing in Rep.

00:03:24.460 Thomas Massey to discuss with us.

00:03:26.520 First, I would like to ask about what's going on with the Obama files with the treason and all of this stuff.

00:03:32.060 But we'll get into the Epstein latest developments as well.

00:03:36.580 Let's load this up.

00:03:37.860 All right.

00:03:42.240 Pulling it in, getting it going.

00:03:44.500 Rep.

00:03:44.880 Massey, how's it going?

00:03:46.500 It's going all right.

00:03:48.700 Thank you for joining me.

00:03:51.240 Are we live?

00:03:52.300 We are live, sir, indeed.

00:03:54.220 All right.

00:03:54.780 Then I'll quit fiddling.

00:03:56.540 All right.

00:03:57.340 Well, so there's a lot to talk about.

00:03:58.760 Obviously, yourself, Rochon, you have this bill to force the release of the Epstein files

00:04:04.500 without exposing any victims, their information, as well as protecting the ongoing investigations.

00:04:10.840 I do want to ask you about that a little bit.

00:04:13.140 But first, I wanted to ask you your thoughts on the latest release from Tulsi Gabbard.

00:04:17.240 I'm not sure if you've seen the files.

00:04:19.080 But it shows that Obama ordered the release of information that the intelligence community knew was likely not correct,

00:04:27.540 was based on a sentence fragment.

00:04:29.700 And this was the basis of a years-long campaign against Donald Trump to accuse him of colluding with the Russians.

00:04:37.060 Tulsi Gabbard said it was a treasonous conspiracy.

00:04:39.400 Others have called it a coup.

00:04:40.780 I'm curious your thoughts.

00:04:43.140 Well, you know, when all that was coming out back in the day, I parsed it as carefully as I could.

00:04:49.500 And we got classified briefings here in Congress where they tried to convince us that Russians were at play in the elections.

00:04:57.320 But when I asked the questions and dug into it in these briefings, they never did actually say that the machines had been tampered with,

00:05:07.120 that they were changing vote totals.

00:05:08.800 If you listened intently and you followed up with questions, they would always admit that they were alluding to some kind of social media influence program.

00:05:19.480 In the file that I read that the DNI put out, it alludes to people leaking information to the press.

00:05:31.640 I'd like to know who those individuals are.

00:05:34.000 Can we go subpoena people and find out who were the leakers?

00:05:40.560 If that was an illegal and false leak, then who were they?

00:05:44.420 They weren't whistleblowers.

00:05:45.940 They were subverting our government.

00:05:50.340 Do you think, you know, a lot of people like Tulsi Gabbard herself said this was a treasonous conspiracy.

00:05:56.020 First question is on the on the part of government.

00:05:58.660 Do you agree with that assessment that the Obama administration was conspiring to undermine the authority at first the campaign, then the authority of Donald Trump?

00:06:06.840 If you're asking me to tell you if I'm surprised that this was going on, the answer would be absolutely not.

00:06:16.460 Like, my default position, Tim, is that this whole mess up here is a treasonous conspiracy.

00:06:22.940 That pretty much everybody, it's in D.C., that is part of a treasonous conspiracy.

00:06:31.380 So, you know.

00:06:34.720 So to clarify, just to clarify, you're saying yes, but kind of come on, they're all doing it and worse?

00:06:43.300 Come on.

00:06:44.140 We already knew this was happening.

00:06:47.580 That's my point.

00:06:48.180 Fair point.

00:06:49.000 Fair point.

00:06:49.300 So, but to be specific, you know, when I read those documents, it alludes to somebody leaked some information to mislead the press into thinking that they were changing vote totals and not just doing some social media policy, some social media bots or something.

00:07:08.160 Okay.

00:07:08.680 If that's the case, who did it?

00:07:10.680 Let's, I mean, I would like for this administration to dig deeper and investigate that and find out who was the leak, because that sounds like an illegal activity to me.

00:07:22.240 You know, the fact that Obama was trying to direct people to misrepresent the facts, look, that went on during the Biden administration with COVID on the vaccines and everything.

00:07:35.180 And I've done investigations there and proven it.

00:07:37.700 Nobody cares.

00:07:38.580 Why, why not?

00:07:41.520 Why don't they care?

00:07:43.560 I don't know.

00:07:44.460 I guess they've already moved on, but you had the, the, the thing that I'm alluding to is I did like five hour depositions of top FDA officials who admitted that they were pressured by the Biden administration to basically skip steps in the approval process to get the full approval of the vaccine so that they could be mandated.

00:08:06.040 They were told so that the government can mandate these.

00:08:09.740 We need you guys to skip steps and get these things on the approval list.

00:08:14.940 Where, why is nothing happening?

00:08:16.960 I mean, thankfully, Peter Marks, the guy who was his finger hands were dirty and all of that.

00:08:23.320 Fortunately, Bobby Kennedy got rid of that miscreant.

00:08:27.340 By the way, I deposed Peter Marks, too.

00:08:30.060 It's just like when you find actual evidence, nobody does anything.

00:08:34.420 But at least in this case, Bobby Kennedy got rid of Peter Marks.

00:08:38.640 My question is, are there people still in this administration?

00:08:43.080 There probably are.

00:08:44.380 Who participated in that or went along or didn't blow the whistle?

00:08:49.640 Well, Laura Loomer has been consistently scouring the records of the, of the current administration, the holdovers and calling them out.

00:08:58.360 Many are getting fired.

00:08:59.160 But kind of to bring this all together, because you do bring, you make an interesting point to one, the leaks that were coming from these holdovers intending to undermine the presidency.

00:09:09.380 It's interesting.

00:09:10.300 We are focused on Obama as this.

00:09:12.760 He ordered Brennan, according to this document, to publish this full review, despite the intelligence community saying a sentence fragment is not usable intelligence.

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00:09:51.740 It, based on everything we've seen, it looks like they were outright just saying undermine Trump in any way.

00:09:57.560 Now, moving on to the COVID stuff you're talking about, obviously.

00:10:00.740 Very quickly, I did, I did hear you say, you know, the leaks.

00:10:04.060 I want to be clear.

00:10:06.040 A lot of times when somebody leaks something, they're a whistleblower.

00:10:09.380 And I'm all for that.

00:10:10.800 If there's some kind of malfeasance.

00:10:12.320 In this case, the leaks were false and meant to mislead the American public.

00:10:18.340 Right.

00:10:19.080 We've seen selective leaks where only one page of like a 10-page report gets out so that it screws with the context.

00:10:25.400 But so what I was getting at is you went on to mention COVID, right?

00:10:30.060 There are many people who believe that the lockdowns implemented at the state level were intended to help Democrats steal the election by implementing mass motor.

00:10:39.680 I'm sorry, mass mail-in voting and things like this.

00:10:42.980 So you mentioned, you know, the FDA individuals saying that they were pressured to get these approvals.

00:10:49.060 Do you think that was political or do you think that they were doing this?

00:10:53.820 I'm not trying to directly conflate those two, that theory with this.

00:10:57.340 But just to start here, do you think they were pressured for political purposes for some kind of policy advantage?

00:11:03.060 Or do you think it was big pharma trying to make money or is there something else?

00:11:08.540 Well, I think it was both.

00:11:09.980 I mean, look, big pharma gives donations, lots of donations to, you know, to Biden.

00:11:18.120 And then you had Biden through Janet Woodcock, who was the temporary director or whatever at the time, who went to Peter Marks.

00:11:27.300 Usually it's like some high mid-level person who does the dirty deed.

00:11:32.600 And then they're instructed through a personal conversation that you can't find written down anywhere.

00:11:39.360 But in this case, we got the closest thing you can get to showing that this was political pressure.

00:11:44.700 But the political pressure was probably motivated by money as well.

00:11:49.080 I think when you look at everything going on in Congress, you mentioned, you know, D.C. is one big criminal conspiracy.

00:11:56.060 But I want to I want to pull that to reality.

00:11:59.520 It seems like especially with Congress, everything's a backroom deal.

00:12:03.720 Everything's back channel.

00:12:05.040 There's you know, when I remember talking to Marjorie Taylor Greene about how they never actually even have floor votes on these bills.

00:12:11.960 And it's like just a handful of people grunting and it was, you know, you, her as well as several others forcing Congress to do their jobs. 0.98

00:12:19.800 Yeah. Now y'all are taking a month off.

00:12:22.340 You know, it really does feel like the true machinations of D.C. are like House of Cards.

00:12:27.960 Somebody's going to get paid.

00:12:29.140 Somebody wants money and power.

00:12:30.440 And it's not typically a legitimate process by which we can govern this country.

00:12:35.660 The difference between Washington, D.C. and real life and House of Cards is in House of Cards.

00:12:42.080 There was somebody who had a plan.

00:12:44.260 Like at least Frank Underwood, like he had a plan.

00:12:48.180 What's really going up here on up here is it's most of there's conspiracy theories.

00:12:53.820 Right. But it's mostly just uninformed self-interests at work and a bunch of clowns that are trying to have no plan and they're trying to figure out how to get to the next week.

00:13:04.300 And, you know, the next episode is going to be another clown car.

00:13:09.120 And the difference here is the whole cast is taking five weeks off and there won't be a clown show for a while.

00:13:16.080 You'll have to see it back in your district.

00:13:18.240 Why? Why?

00:13:18.820 Man, I envy your guys's job.

00:13:20.940 You know, you get five weeks off right now.

00:13:22.600 For what reason?

00:13:24.600 Well, I don't know if this is the right time to transition back into the Epstein legislation that I introduced.

00:13:32.400 But some some of my colleagues here are thanking me for introducing the legislation because because it takes seven days to ripen.

00:13:41.800 And the speaker is sending us on recess on the sixth day to make sure that I don't force this thing to a vote before you get it.

00:13:51.180 You get an extra day off.

00:13:52.200 Is that it?

00:13:53.220 Well, it just ensures we don't have an extra day tacked on.

00:13:57.580 It makes sure that everything's happening on on time.

00:14:01.020 Now, when I say on time.

00:14:03.660 What's not happening is there aren't 12 bills coming to the floor.

00:14:07.580 Honestly, the Appropriations Committee, you know, you could send Congress home.

00:14:14.860 A lot of a lot of people here aren't doing much of anything.

00:14:18.160 But the Appropriations Committee is responsible for 12 bills, 12 separate bills that should fund the government.

00:14:24.540 And it's pretty clear they're going to punt, but they should be they should be changing their desks here in Washington, D.C.

00:14:31.200 until they get those 12 separate bills.

00:14:33.040 So at least when the rest of everybody else comes back from August recess.

00:14:38.140 By the way, I'm supposed to call it the August district work period.

00:14:43.140 That's the euphemism.

00:14:45.100 So the August district work period.

00:14:48.020 Let me try it.

00:14:48.800 See if I can do it with a straight face.

00:14:50.380 It didn't work.

00:14:50.940 That's why Congress approval rating is so low.

00:14:52.600 So when we get back, that's when we could be voting on the things.

00:14:59.500 But the reality is the Appropriations Committees won't be done.

00:15:02.800 But so but why is there a month off?

00:15:06.160 Is this like a normal thing for Congress?

00:15:08.160 I think it dates back 200 years that they didn't have air conditioning.

00:15:14.940 And so this, you know, the swamp, it literally was a swamp and you could, you know, bubonic plague and whatever.

00:15:25.940 I don't know what you get in the swamp malaria.

00:15:28.180 It was to send people home during August was just sort of a humanitarian thing to do.

00:15:36.040 There you go.

00:15:36.360 But but but now we have air conditioning and we have tunnels that, you know, this building behind me, I'm connected to that building through a tunnel that's air conditioned.

00:15:44.580 I can get over to the Capitol from my office here without ever, you know, seeing being exposed to sun and in a 70 degree, 30 percent humidity environment.

00:15:56.640 So there's really no reason anymore to go home during August, especially if the work's not done.

00:16:02.720 I got the perfect question to transition these two stories.

00:16:05.860 Do you think that Trump and, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, his administration are being serious about the Obama accusations and that they're actually going to take action in some form, criminal prosecutions?

00:16:19.060 Or is it just a distraction with perfect timing because of the Epstein story?

00:16:23.960 Well, here in the House, I don't know what their intent is.

00:16:29.260 I can tell you, I know Tulsi Gabbard and her intentions are as pure as wind driven snow based on my interactions with her privately after she left Congress and also when she was in Congress.

00:16:43.820 I I don't doubt her for a second.

00:16:46.660 I think she's working within a swamp over there and it's going to be hard to get actual results. 0.83

00:16:53.960 Like I said, they should be tracking down who the fake leakers were and they should be prosecuting them.

00:17:02.260 Because if the if the middlemen who always carry out these dirty deeds never get prosecuted or held to task, then they're just going to keep doing it with impunity, regardless of who won the election and who's up at the top and who the DNI is.

00:17:17.440 And so but now here in the House, oh, it's a welcome distraction.

00:17:22.960 They they the leadership here in the House, they do not want to talk about Epstein and they will talk.

00:17:28.900 They love having this other thing to talk about right now, even though they themselves have no intention of doing anything of anything about either of them.

00:17:36.860 What what's going on? This is the weirdest thing to me.

00:17:39.820 It seems like the Trump administration is simultaneously making the Epstein story the biggest news while also calling for it to be obstructed.

00:17:48.920 I can't make heads or tails of it.

00:17:50.080 Well, let me let me give you the what I think is a 30,000 foot view here.

00:17:57.420 A lot of us, myself included, were excited to elect Trump and have a bull in the China shop.

00:18:04.020 Many people were apathetic that there's an elite ruling class and rich people who are beyond the judicial system, who basically run everything in Washington, D.C., and even globally, and that Trump would come up here and expose these people and disrupt that.

00:18:23.340 And the Epstein case isn't the be all and end all, but it's the perfect snapshot, the perfect prototype of what we're talking about here.

00:18:32.780 And so it's completely off brand and out of character for this administration, having run on this issue, at least all the people around him, to want to sweep it under the rug now.

00:18:46.740 And here's the danger of that politically.

00:18:49.760 It's bad policy.

00:18:51.200 I mean, Americans deserve transparency and the victims deserve justice.

00:18:55.340 But it's bad politics because we're going to it's going to be a bloodbath in the midterms because all those people who Trump cured their apathy, they're going to go back to being apathetic if we don't follow through on this.

00:19:08.900 So, you know, I'm going to talk to Mike Johnson later today, and this is what I'm going to tell him.

00:19:14.020 Look, the best thing you could do is show people we were serious when they gave us the Trump presidency, a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate.

00:19:23.760 We were serious about holding people accountable, even if they're part of an elite, rich and powerful group that's normally beyond the law.

00:19:33.540 And so we should just have the vote.

00:19:35.840 He shouldn't make me force the vote.

00:19:38.920 If Mike Johnson would bring this thing to a vote, I know it creates a little bit of daylight between him and Trump, which he doesn't want to have any daylight between the two of them.

00:19:48.180 But it's necessary for us to keep the the majority in the midterms.

00:19:53.340 But why would Trump oppose the release of these files, especially if they're arguing there's nothing there?

00:19:59.840 Well, there is stuff there.

00:20:01.340 Look, in my legislation, some of the things that I want to release are absolutely there.

00:20:08.480 There's plea bargains, right?

00:20:10.080 There's special payoffs.

00:20:11.500 There's legal deals that were made.

00:20:13.540 I want to open that up.

00:20:14.940 Find out who paid people not to have not to get prosecuted, OK, or not to bring charges against them.

00:20:22.340 But is there you know some of the names of the individuals or is this assumptive based on the story as reported with the flight logs and stuff?

00:20:33.900 Are you assuming that there would have been people who were charged or took plea bargains or is there actual intelligence that they did prosecute people associated with Epstein?

00:20:42.780 I don't have anything in my possession that you can't also get from the news.

00:20:50.320 But Epstein made a lot of money.

00:20:52.280 Where did all this money come from, for instance?

00:20:54.640 OK, there's bank records.

00:20:56.240 This stuff doesn't go away.

00:20:58.300 Now, maybe they had a fire pit in the West Wing and burned everything they could find, but it's still out there digitally.

00:21:07.460 Or maybe maybe there's a private server that they used a bleach bit to wipe and smashed phones with hammers.

00:21:13.520 Yeah.

00:21:14.040 So just go to the NSA and get the copies.

00:21:16.320 Right.

00:21:18.700 So here's you know, and you said something.

00:21:21.840 I do want to respond to this because I think there was a question in there about this.

00:21:26.180 This implicate Trump.

00:21:27.200 Why do I think he's reluctant to release it?

00:21:30.940 I don't think it implicates President Trump.

00:21:33.880 You know, his laundry's been aired.

00:21:38.580 I remember sitting through the Stormy Daniels hearings in the Oversight Committee and I took up for him and we had his weaselly lawyer there who admitted to lying for Trump, even though Trump didn't ask him to lie.

00:21:53.100 You know, and anyways, that's all been aired.

00:21:57.520 I think Trump is somewhat immune from those sort of scandals at this point.

00:22:03.980 He's got the antibodies.

00:22:05.600 OK, he earned them.

00:22:08.420 And now what we're talking about, though, is there probably are some people who are friends of Donald Trump, elite and powerful people that he's had dinners with who could be embarrassed.

00:22:22.500 Maybe there was nothing criminal.

00:22:23.840 And so I think that is one motivation.

00:22:27.840 And I think the other motivation is and this is I'm not just pulling this out of thin air.

00:22:33.800 There are court records back when they gave Epstein his first deal down in Florida that say he was connected to intelligence.

00:22:41.840 And I think we need to know what that connection was, because if he's gone and they're still the same people who were collecting intelligence using Epstein probably have somebody else right now doing the same stuff.

00:22:57.060 Wow.

00:22:57.160 I mean, there's a lot there's a lot of creepy rumors and theories, images.

00:23:02.600 There's an image of a guy on Epstein Island after he reportedly died who people say looks like Epstein.

00:23:07.080 Who knows?

00:23:08.020 But here's one of the challenges for me, I think, for a lot of the people who support Trump is.

00:23:12.680 They ignore Democrats in the media, ignore this story.

00:23:15.560 They call everybody.

00:23:16.220 I mean, over the past several years, you were a conspiracy theorist.

00:23:20.140 If you believed the Epstein claims and stories, he was just a lone trafficker.

00:23:25.440 He took his own life.

00:23:26.260 Now, the entirety of the Democratic Party is going on TV and going on podcasts and saying, oh, well, now we have to do it.

00:23:33.200 CNN is publishing photos from 93 of Trump and Epstein.

00:23:38.100 There's a there's a picture of like Epstein in the background of some image.

00:23:41.260 Now, I I trust you on these matters.

00:23:43.700 I think you're genuine.

00:23:44.800 I trust Ro Khanna as well.

00:23:47.120 I may disagree with both of you on certain political issues, but I think that is a genuine attempt at getting this stuff published for the for the public good.

00:23:54.660 But the rest of the Democratic Party, I don't trust.

00:23:57.240 Now, to be honest, the Republicans have me questioning why they're holding back on this.

00:24:01.540 But what is the motivation of the Democratic Party when they're when they're guiding principle for the past decade has just been we hate Trump?

00:24:09.480 Yeah. And thank you for excluding Ro Khanna.

00:24:12.260 I want to exclude him as well from from the indictment I'm going to deliver of the Democrats.

00:24:18.320 Look, they they're at the foot of the cross now.

00:24:21.080 Right. I don't think they're believers, but they're at the foot of the cross and I don't care how they got to the foot of the cross.

00:24:26.340 They're here. And it creates an opportunity to get these files out.

00:24:29.960 If Joe Biden were president.

00:24:32.360 I do think that Ro Khanna would be among them who who would want this released.

00:24:37.380 But I think 90 percent of the Democrats would want to have nothing to do with this.

00:24:42.640 So people have asked me.

00:24:45.160 But Massey, why?

00:24:47.200 Why didn't you do anything before?

00:24:49.280 Well, you can go back at my Twitter feeds and you can probably watch my interviews.

00:24:53.180 This isn't the first time I've mentioned it.

00:24:55.220 I was one of those conspiracy theorists.

00:24:57.120 OK, I was with the group.

00:24:58.620 You can find my tweets that show in twenty twenty two.

00:25:02.080 I was talking about this in twenty twenty four when Biden was president.

00:25:05.660 But it's true.

00:25:06.700 I did not introduce legislation when Biden was president or during the first six months of Trump's presidency.

00:25:13.620 And here's the reason I'm introducing it now.

00:25:17.460 There's four hundred and thirty five members up here.

00:25:20.020 I just kind of assumed somebody else was working on this and that these things would get released.

00:25:26.480 And what I realized, two things here recently.

00:25:30.820 Number one, the people who were allegedly working on releasing this stuff had no intention of releasing it or they've stubbed their toe.

00:25:39.260 They've been taken into a back room and something's been whispered in their ear and they've immediately lost interest in releasing it.

00:25:46.500 OK, so they were insincere or not able or they have changed their mind all of a sudden.

00:25:53.780 That's one thing. Number two, politics is the art of the possible.

00:25:59.300 OK, if you introduce legislation when Joe Biden was president, it's true.

00:26:04.320 The Democrats would not be sincerely involved.

00:26:07.420 They're not sincerely involved now, but they are interested.

00:26:11.880 Some of them are sincere, but the majority of them are not are doing this because Trump is president.

00:26:18.940 I mean, let's be honest. But I've also got some sincere Republicans who you have to be really sincere at this point to to have President Trump,

00:26:31.920 whose favorability is, you know, 90 percent among Republicans in just about any state.

00:26:38.000 If you're a Republican member of Congress and you've co-sponsored my legislation, which a dozen people have.

00:26:45.520 Man, you you deserve some kind of at least a certificate suitable for framing because that kind of courage doesn't exist up here most of the time.

00:26:57.800 And we need basically every Dem to sign my discharge petition and five or six Republicans.

00:27:04.040 And we've got twice that many Republicans as co-sponsors this legislation now.

00:27:08.060 So I think we can get there.

00:27:09.700 I got to be honest, if I was going to make a bet, I'd say that the only reason Democrats are agreeing to sign on is under the assumption that the bill will lose.

00:27:18.400 And I'm pretty sure. I mean, I could be wrong.

00:27:21.380 You know, you would know better than me.

00:27:22.620 But I kind of feel like if this actually went to a vote, a lot of Democrats would be voting against it,

00:27:28.520 despite the the image they're trying to portray right now, because there there are elites who are terrified of being exposed.

00:27:36.680 There are people who get super PAC contributions that fund their campaigns and someone's going to come and give them a wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

00:27:43.600 This can't happen. We'll pull your funds and they're going to vote no.

00:27:47.300 Well, I think if there is an off ramp somewhere between passing my resolution and getting this done,

00:27:56.540 that there will be Republicans looking for that off ramp and there will be Democrats looking for that off ramp.

00:28:02.120 In other words, even if I do get this passed and I'm going to disagree with you a little bit.

00:28:09.500 If I can get this to the floor, and by the way, I think I got the signatures to get this to the floor.

00:28:16.160 And Mike Johnson can try to derail it with some parliamentary procedure.

00:28:19.960 But then the vote on that parliamentary issue becomes the litmus test of whether you want to expose the Epstein files or not.

00:28:26.600 And everybody needs to understand when they try to do the shell game there at the end and use a procedural vote to take my vote out,

00:28:35.020 then that becomes the vote we all need to watch.

00:28:37.300 But let's assume Mike Johnson operates in good faith and follows the rules of the House of Representatives that were put in place at the beginning of the Congress.

00:28:46.920 Literally, we vote on the rules and then we vote on the Speaker.

00:28:50.480 And those two things happen the same day.

00:28:52.220 Okay, let's assume he operates in good faith and brings this to the floor.

00:28:57.320 I think there's a chance you get unanimous passage.

00:29:01.820 I think, do you want to be one of the 12 people in Congress that doesn't vote for this?

00:29:08.380 That's a good point.

00:29:09.460 You're literally implicating at least your friends and your social circles, if not yourself.

00:29:14.720 Or maybe you just think there are some secrets too important for the American people to know, and they can't handle the truth.

00:29:23.420 But either way, you don't want to be in that category.

00:29:25.880 Here's the off-ramp they may take, Tim, because I agree with you.

00:29:29.960 There may be some of them that want to vote for this and then don't want it to happen.

00:29:34.680 There's two ways to structure the Epstein legislation in the House. 0.99

00:29:41.460 By the way, people complain, oh, Massey, it took you four and a half years to come up with this legislation.

00:29:48.180 Guess what?

00:29:48.920 It took Speaker Johnson four and a half years and a week to copy my legislation and introduce a fake version of it.

00:29:56.620 Wow.

00:29:57.520 Which is, it's not fake, but it's a resolution, not a bill.

00:30:01.380 So there's two ways to do this in the House.

00:30:03.420 You can either do a resolution in the House, which doesn't pass the Senate and isn't presented to the president.

00:30:11.340 We call it presentment because it doesn't need his signature.

00:30:15.220 You can override with two-thirds vote.

00:30:17.360 You could override the president.

00:30:19.200 So you could either do this as a House resolution, which won't be binding.

00:30:24.860 And that's what Mike Johnson has encouraged.

00:30:27.180 And they've already passed that in the Rules Committee, but they won't even bring that to the floor.

00:30:31.360 They're afraid to even vote on the non-binding version.

00:30:34.360 If it came to the floor, I would vote for it.

00:30:36.000 But I would say, listen, folks, this isn't binding, but at least it's something.

00:30:41.200 The way that I have done it, I've introduced it as a law.

00:30:45.380 OK, that means if there's some other law that's on the books that would keep these files from coming out, mine's the newest law.

00:30:54.340 Mine supersedes that law.

00:30:56.560 And so everybody who's saying, well, you can't do this with grand jury stuff.

00:31:00.300 You can't do that with that.

00:31:01.960 No, this is a law.

00:31:03.280 We write the laws.

00:31:04.260 If there's a problem with the law, this law fixes it.

00:31:07.300 But in order to be a law, it has to pass the House and the Senate.

00:31:11.240 I think the off-road they might try is to deep-six this in the Senate.

00:31:15.580 But I can only imagine the midterm campaign ads where it says, candidate voted to protect Epstein.

00:31:25.180 And that's something most people don't want running in their districts, I'd imagine.

00:31:28.200 So maybe you're right.

00:31:29.040 I mean, you know better than me.

00:31:30.920 So there's no possibility of this happening before you guys recess for August, though, right?

00:31:35.520 No, because they're going to adjourn tonight here in Congress.

00:31:41.900 So there's no possibility.

00:31:43.680 And they're hoping that the urgency, they're hoping the American people will move on, that

00:31:48.960 there'll be some hurricane or some earthquake or something.

00:31:54.500 If not a tragedy, then some weapon of mass distraction.

00:32:00.700 But I don't think any weapon of mass distraction can take the American people's eye off this

00:32:06.780 ball because it's the consummate case for why we put Republicans in charge and Trump

00:32:12.640 in the White House is so the elite and powerful, the veil could be pierced by the bull in the 0.97

00:32:18.520 China shop.

00:32:20.080 Yeah.

00:32:20.520 I mean, there are a lot of people that are trying to back away and say, we want to get

00:32:23.880 the agenda through and this isn't the highest priority.

00:32:26.260 For me, I wouldn't say the Epstein is my highest priority.

00:32:28.780 I think the on-the-ground kitchen table issues take precedent all the time because we're

00:32:32.720 talking about whether someone's going to get food.

00:32:34.720 But I don't think anybody should be ignoring or walking away from the story for political

00:32:38.340 reasons.

00:32:38.860 So I look forward to seeing what happens in September.

00:32:41.820 Rep Massey, thanks for joining.

00:32:42.980 Where can people find you?

00:32:44.500 They can find me at RepThomasMassey.

00:32:47.840 Look for the hashtag SassyWithMassey.

00:32:51.740 And although they don't like hashtag, Elon doesn't like hashtags anymore on Twitter, I might

00:32:56.120 still use it.

00:32:56.840 Well, Ronan, I appreciate you coming on and I guess we'll see you next time.

00:33:00.720 Thank you, Tim.

00:33:01.380 Take care.

00:33:01.760 And that is a wrap with Representative Thomas Massey, who is personally my favorite member

00:33:09.260 of Congress.

00:33:10.700 It used to be Matt Gaetz.

00:33:11.920 You know, I told Rep Massey this.

00:33:13.740 I said, Rep Gaetz was my favorite, challenging the system with strength and with capability.

00:33:21.120 But always a big fan of Thomas Massey and I disagree with him all the time.

00:33:24.680 There are several times in a year where I'm saying, like, Massey is wrong on this, but

00:33:29.840 he's honest.

00:33:31.680 He's an honest guy.

00:33:32.140 The same thing with Ro Khanna.

00:33:33.440 I disagree with Ro Khanna on almost everything.

00:33:36.080 But, you know, I've had him on the show.

00:33:38.000 He's come on the show.

00:33:38.640 He's talked.

00:33:39.340 He's explained his positions.

00:33:40.720 And he was genuine.

00:33:41.640 He wasn't lying.

00:33:42.380 He believes what he believes.

00:33:44.280 And I think his policies are bad ideas for this country.

00:33:47.180 But when it comes to the issue of Epstein, I think he made a mistake.

00:33:50.940 As as Rep Massey pointed out, I think it's called.

00:33:53.560 What is it?

00:33:53.920 The Lex.

00:33:54.620 What is it called?

00:33:56.160 Posterior or something.

00:33:56.980 I'm not a lawyer.

00:33:58.040 Basically, any new law supersedes the old.

00:34:01.160 If he were to pass this this law saying you got to publish everything, it would have

00:34:04.500 published victim information.

00:34:05.640 And we don't want that.

00:34:06.860 And so he teamed up with Massey.

00:34:08.160 They fixed it.

00:34:08.760 And I believe that was genuine and sincere.

00:34:10.620 And I'm excited to see it happen.

00:34:11.560 I don't know why Trump opposes it so much, but if it implicates Trump, then so be it.

00:34:16.240 I don't think it does.

00:34:17.740 But again, I don't care.

00:34:19.400 Protections for nobody.

00:34:20.300 Criminals, we expose.

00:34:22.440 The reason why I don't think it actually goes after Trump, they would have exposed it a

00:34:26.240 long time ago if they had anything.

00:34:27.600 And everybody knows this point.

00:34:28.800 You don't need to hear it again.

00:34:30.320 Massey made a good point.

00:34:31.780 Maybe some of Trump's friends will be embarrassed.

00:34:33.620 So he's trying to wash it away.

00:34:35.540 But I will say this.

00:34:36.980 What if the attempt at distraction results in Trump saying, uh, quick arrest Obama.

00:34:41.560 And so what they're doing now is they're going to go after Crossfire Hurricane and actually

00:34:45.440 arrest some of the corruption in the Democratic side because Trump's worried about the Epstein

00:34:48.680 thing.

00:34:49.080 That'll distract people.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - July 23, 2025

DNI Documents PROVES Obama COUP, MAGA Demands Obama ARREST For TREASON ft. Thomas Massie

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