The Culture War - Tim Pool - Epstein Scandal WON'T GO AWAY, Does Epstein MATTER To MAGA？ w⧸ Colonel Kurtz & Shane Cashman

00:00:00.000 topic of conversation on the left and the right for the better part of well I mean honestly for

00:00:06.200 the better part of four or five years now and uh today we're here to answer the question does

00:00:11.720 Epstein matter to MAGA is this really an important topic or is this just something that's juicy

00:00:17.340 that people love to glob onto because of all the salacious parts of it and because of all

00:00:23.020 the implications with uh foreign influence and stuff so we're going to get into that today and

00:00:29.280 to talk about that we have Colonel Kurtz what's up hi everybody tell everybody who you are so I have

00:00:36.740 a podcast a YouTube channel I go my handle is Colonel Kurtz 99 I'm on Instagram and Facebook

00:00:43.460 and Twitter and YouTube and I talk about pop culture politics whole range of things awesome

00:00:49.560 thank you we also have Shane Cashman from IWL that's right I'm happy to be here last night

00:00:55.220 we filmed one of our best episodes I think yet we had six seven Kevin on who's got a documentary

00:01:00.700 coming out on Tim's rumble channel I think on Monday about death cults I think it was in Panama

00:01:06.380 and Mexico insane stories the things he saw are wild I think it's very important so I'm looking

00:01:11.480 forward to that we also talked about how Area 51's on fire actually on fire uh all around it yeah

00:01:16.600 oh yes the gothic fire yeah the big uh it's the north uh rim of the the canyon right so all those

00:01:23.540 like Lockheed Martin paints from their stealth fighters are now burning into the atmosphere

00:01:28.220 they'll be here soon uh and hey Kellen Kellen's here what's up everybody um yeah I'm usually behind

00:01:33.540 the scenes my name is Kellen um I let I'm letting Tate drive in the producer chair but yes on this

00:01:39.020 channel that you're watching on rumble the Tim Pool channel that's where the documentary is going to

00:01:42.400 release Monday at 6 p.m. shout out to 6 7 Kevin he did great work if you watch it live for the

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00:01:52.740 announcement those that may be aware of the situation with the DC comedy loft and our events

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00:02:14.800 possible all right so uh why don't we just jump right into it um I know that uh there are different

00:02:22.380 opinions on how important Epstein is I personally think that the what you call the normie voter uh this

00:02:30.920 doesn't really register with them I think that there are very committed small vocal groups that believe

00:02:38.360 different things about what Epstein was doing and what it means for not only U.S. politics but global

00:02:46.160 politics I know there are people that believe that there were crimes that were committed that are

00:02:52.040 that were not exposed when Jeffrey Epstein was arrested and Ghislaine Maxwell well it was tried and stuff

00:02:58.380 um but I'm interested to hear you know what you guys think about what it means for

00:03:04.860 MAGA and also what it means for the future of not just the Republican Party but also for the

00:03:13.220 the U.S. as a whole so why don't you start off so I think there's probably going to be a kind of a

00:03:18.580 delayed effect with this I think a lot of voters and people in MAGA are sort of hanging back and

00:03:24.960 waiting to see if there's any there there here after all or if this is just another you know fake

00:03:29.720 news uh story as Trump has been trying to sell it but I think that Trump seems to me I know a lot

00:03:38.420 of people say oh well he's he's always a little unhinged or he's always kind of uh off message or

00:03:43.860 what have you but he seems like he has really been flailing to me on this in a way that I've not seen

00:03:49.740 since COVID and to me there's just a qualitative difference that that truth social post from several

00:03:57.180 days ago when he was calling those of us who are interested in this subject weaklings I thought it

00:04:02.380 was just astounding and again even for him off message unhinged and he gives the impression that

00:04:08.700 he's hiding something I'm not saying that he is but he gives the impression that he is or at the very

00:04:13.400 least that he's he's very uncomfortable with this line of thought for some reason so what I think is

00:04:18.680 that right now there are a lot of people a lot of Trump supporters MAGA people who are holding back

00:04:23.040 and are sort of reserving judgment but I do think that over time there's going to be a cost to this

00:04:29.560 if it is not resolved in in some way if people don't get answers if there are not files released

00:04:35.900 and and and by the way the release if if anything is released by Pan Bondi it can't just be some

00:04:42.560 little trickle of something I know Trump said okay we're going to release the grand jury he wants the

00:04:46.220 grand jury testimony released okay which grand jury testimony what is the extent of that you know he said

00:04:51.080 well if he and he kind of qualified it right he said he wants it released if it's if it's what

00:04:55.140 credible or okay well that sounds like lawyers speak to me in a way so I know that there have

00:05:00.940 been polls showing that Trump's support has not eroded that in fact he has his support has gone up

00:05:06.760 but I think that there's probably a delayed effect with this I think that this could be a kind of a

00:05:11.260 an Achilles heel situation for him but we will see I agree I agree I think this is the first time

00:05:17.120 we've seen him lose his confidence and instinct and I think he's surrounded by people who are

00:05:22.560 handling him so that I want to push back on that I'm gonna I'm gonna end up playing devil's edge yeah

00:05:26.980 perfect um but I think that Trump's response is frustration or or what would you say to people

00:05:35.380 that say Trump's response is frustration because outside of the Epstein debacle which they handled I

00:05:43.440 agree they handled poorly and and it makes sense that people are questioning but outside of that

00:05:48.580 Donald Trump has had success after success after success after success and currently all people want

00:05:55.320 to talk about is the Epstein stuff and it's gotten to the point where it's not just people that are in

00:06:03.260 the weeds politically it's people that are that would consider you'd consider normies and and as a an

00:06:12.280 example so there's this show called two-way which is Mark Halperin and um Sean Spicer's on it Dan

00:06:19.400 Turin is on it they're very normie politicos you see it on the um the the New York Times their podcast

00:06:28.260 daily they they have to talk about it and these are outlets that generally would avoid this topic

00:06:33.220 but because there's so much heat around it they're you know forced to talk about it and again Trump has

00:06:40.180 had so many things that have gone so well for him since the election what would you say to people

00:06:45.840 that say well look if if you were the president and had done all these things and you had all this

00:06:49.900 great stuff with immigration having so much success and you just got the doge cuts actually codified and

00:06:55.600 you had you got the big bill and you got all this what would you say to people that say he's just

00:06:59.420 frustrated with with the fact that people are focusing on this Epstein thing as opposed to all

00:07:04.300 this all of his success he might be just frustrated it may be that there's no there there in terms of

00:07:10.020 of his he's not hiding some dark history or anything with this but he needs to wake the f up as the family

00:07:17.000 show he needs to wake the f up because human nature is such that people like tabloid stuff they like

00:07:23.440 red meat there's something about this Epstein thing and that is captivating to people and so you know

00:07:29.900 it's it's kind of to me it kind of it's kind of like people bemoaning tabloid culture oh why do

00:07:34.000 people care so much about Blake Lively and this kind of thing when there's so many more important

00:07:38.160 serious issues well well I think welcome to the modern age I think it's way beyond all that though

00:07:42.760 and all the things people carry about care about which we should care about immigration economy all those

00:07:46.880 things the Epstein story and stories like Epstein is the nucleus of all those problems like these are

00:07:53.740 people who are in our government in our country who are beholden to people like this you know and

00:08:01.520 this is not like a unique thing to Epstein this is and real quick Trump ran on literally obliterating

00:08:07.060 the deep state agenda 47 was to destroy the deep state the deep state is an invisible network of DOJ CIA FBI

00:08:14.660 Mossad five eyes you name it that's all the people it's not just one boogeyman it's all over the

00:08:18.920 world and Epstein is a symbol of that deep state we watched as a world them shoot at Trump's head

00:08:26.640 like we're watching JFK level conspiracies play out in real time the Epstein thing like I said is a

00:08:32.560 nucleus of all of these issues because we are now as taxpayers funding our own destruction over the

00:08:38.420 years like why are our politicians making certain decisions that are completely against our best

00:08:43.160 interests so your take is that when people are talking about the deep state they're talking

00:08:48.380 about things like espionage and intelligence agencies as opposed to the deep state being

00:08:55.980 the entrenched bureaucracy because in my part of it the reason I ask is it's my opinion that the deep

00:09:03.220 state is less about intelligence assets and more about people that work in government

00:09:11.940 government and they want to make sure that they can continue making their car payments

00:09:17.160 they're unelected they have jobs you know GS-15s or whatever they want to continue making their

00:09:23.100 payments on their mortgage they want to continue making their payments on their cars they want to

00:09:26.740 make sure that their kids can still go to school and so that entrenched bureaucracy is interested in

00:09:33.120 keeping the status quo not because they're you're a podcast listener and this is a podcast ad

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00:09:57.900 more that's b-o-b at l-i-b-s-y-n dot com there's some massive conspiracy based in international espionage

00:10:10.540 but it's people that are like no I just want to make sure that my pension is taken care of and I'm

00:10:15.960 going to keep doing I want to make sure that we can keep doing what we're doing so that way I keep my

00:10:22.500 lifestyle but those people want a status quo and the status quo is actually a weaponized government

00:10:28.380 against the American people for decades at least a century and they haven't been working in our

00:10:33.440 best interest those people who are unelected bureaucrats want to maintain power and the

00:10:37.080 quote-unquote status quo for people who believe in like a the normal world but the world's not

00:10:40.760 normal it's been weaponized against us for ages and even Epstein is just one facet of that and even

00:10:46.180 people who may not have a conspiratorial worldview or who may not be as interested in the things that

00:10:51.140 you're talking about right now most people still have a fear or a suspicion that there are shadowy

00:10:57.780 things going on in our government and even non-conspiratorial people and this Epstein thing

00:11:04.520 look most people draw a hard line at abuse of children and of course I know that there's in

00:11:10.120 some of these discussions there's some gray area about okay we're really talking about children are

00:11:13.880 we talking about young women you know there's the and and there have been claims that for the most

00:11:18.800 part Epstein actually was into just barely of age women either way people don't people don't make

00:11:24.700 those distinctions people people have have put Epstein firmly in the category of a sicko and so

00:11:31.620 like little girls with braces exactly and I saw that private investigator talked about that that as

00:11:36.800 soon he investigated Epstein and as soon as the girls were out of braces and he wasn't really

00:11:40.520 interested in them I don't know the truth totally who who does about Epstein but this the problem is

00:11:46.960 that there's so many people in on Trump's side in his administration even Donald Trump Jr. as you

00:11:52.300 know who up until just recently J.D. Vance up until just recently were touting this as a significant

00:11:57.200 issue that needed to be exposed and now all of a sudden it's there's nothing to see here guys he's

00:12:02.420 deeply entrenched in our government I mean he was hired the martyr made just that guy Cooper did the

00:12:08.820 Tucker thing and he went over this and it's factual you know Whitney Webb has also talked about Ryan

00:12:12.820 Dawson all those people have talked about this it's true Epstein was a young Cooper Union dropout who

00:12:18.000 was hired at like 21 working at the Dalton school hired by Donald Barr whose son would eventually

00:12:24.120 oversee him being imprisoned under Trump you know it's bizarre stuff you can get way more conspiratorial

00:12:29.100 right in terms of the books he wrote about sex trafficking aliens a year before hiring who wrote

00:12:34.640 those books Donald Barr space relations for people that are watching Donald Barr is Bill Barr's father

00:12:40.480 yes our former attorney general yes yeah okay so there's like weird connections there and then

00:12:45.820 is that a connection though hold on a second yes is that a connection his father yes Bill Barr's father

00:12:51.160 wrote a book that was weird and then Bill Barr no you're missing a step Donald Barr wrote a book

00:12:59.560 published in 73 called space relations about ants and aliens that had themes of trafficking okay a year

00:13:07.240 later Donald Barr hired Jeffrey Epstein to work as a math teacher at the Dalton school you know and

00:13:14.080 Donald Barr was in the OSS with CIA connections so but this is this is all this stuff you're talking

00:13:19.020 about this is all circumstantial and it's all it's all real no I'm not saying it's not real right but

00:13:22.840 it's circumstantial yeah but I think you can't deny these strange connections like you know I don't

00:13:26.640 believe in coincidences and the fact that this guy is involved in those people with those people's lives

00:13:32.520 CIA intelligence like like I said all of them across the world that is an indictment on on who

00:13:38.000 this guy is the people he was running with okay I mean it's crazy that he was born on inauguration day

00:13:42.660 the day Eisenhower was inaugurated and he's entrenched himself that is that is just a coincidence that has

00:13:49.120 no it's not no because I think he was I don't have to get into it now but he was a complete cutout

00:13:53.320 created by people to take over our country uh and not him alone the fact that he was born on a certain

00:13:59.480 day yes January 20th is the day all of our all of our presidents are inaugurated and now we have

00:14:05.120 people writing like Whitney Webb writing books about one nation under blackmail it's weird I think he's a

00:14:08.820 complete cutout used to destroy the country okay and these people run in symbolism like I think that

00:14:13.840 stuff is it matters I think it does clearly I'm going to be the skeptic today well that's that's perfect

00:14:18.540 let's say that your average person it does not understand or does is not aware of the layers of

00:14:24.240 the possible layers that's that's minutiae but let's say that they're not they still have there

00:14:28.340 is still a kind of an accumulative effect of all of the the negative mysterious horrible things that

00:14:35.620 people have heard about Epstein and by the way things that have been confirmed I mean this man

00:14:38.680 I mean even Dan Bongino before he became FBI director as you know deputy FBI director uh he was talking

00:14:45.360 about how he he knew people in uh the deep state who've said yeah he's an intelligence asset this

00:14:50.760 is something that even Acosta cited as a reason why he couldn't adequately prosecute him in Florida

00:14:55.540 so it's not what I'm saying is this is not just some far out like diddy thing you know I don't believe

00:15:01.680 there was a conspiracy with diddy I think that was just a per I know y'all disagree some of you but I

00:15:05.600 think that was just a kinky guy who who had something going on with some escorts and with his his

00:15:11.500 girlfriends right this is different this is not this is this is not just conspiracy theories this

00:15:16.260 is something that has been extensively like litigated through the court system yeah and like

00:15:20.420 that stuff with the what I'm saying with Donald Barr it's weird and it's the minutiae but then that guy

00:15:25.560 evolves into someone who is in the upper echelons of societies around the world you know his dealings

00:15:31.400 with Lex Wessner like why he became power attorney of that guy this guy who was you know Victoria's

00:15:35.440 Secret Bed Bath and Beyond you know why is this guy running with arms dealers why is he friends with

00:15:40.180 all of these people from Bill Gates to Bill Clinton you know uh and then the things that make it even

00:15:45.320 weirder are that Ghislaine Maxwell's connections you know her father was Robert Maxwell I was saying

00:15:50.320 this on IRL on Monday Robert Maxwell is a strange dude he had clear connections to the Mossad it

00:15:55.720 wasn't maybe not Mossad but they were a part of a big scandal the promise scandal with stolen spyware

00:16:00.860 that was used against Americans in other countries and he died mysteriously and Robert Maxwell was like

00:16:05.920 a Murdoch competitor right he owned Pergamon Press big dude with a lot of connections and it's just

00:16:11.720 I don't think we can overlook how these powerful people get entrenched in our societies and have a

00:16:18.200 major effect on everything so like what I was saying earlier economics you know the wall immigration all

00:16:24.120 this stuff I think is a part of the larger the tentacled monster that these people want to maintain

00:16:31.180 control for their own good and uh and honestly I think is to destroy us that's I think they feed

00:16:37.620 off human suffering like legit these people are demonic who who is trying to destroy like so uh

00:16:42.640 deep state in your mind what is that well I think they're a satanic cabal you know just like a bunch

00:16:47.640 of literal demons from hell who want to feed off human suffering like a multinational like corporation

00:16:52.120 I don't know about a corporation let's be honest I mean straight up demons from hell you're gonna you're

00:16:57.940 gonna make me go spin out of control whenever we have we do have like hard factual stuff to talk

00:17:02.220 about but like I I legitimately personally believe that this is an ancient strain of evil that has

00:17:07.300 been on earth since the fall of man and they are here to feed off human suffering and they do that by

00:17:12.220 hurting all of us while also destroying children and innocence the reason I ask is how how if Epstein

00:17:18.880 doesn't matter the normies right if the average person's like dude the guy's dead I thought this is

00:17:23.020 settled right how do you get through to that so the people who don't you put this demonic

00:17:28.220 organization I first of all think I think I think people do care more I think than we understand like

00:17:34.720 he's the butt of every joke all over the place for years I talk to people polls are fake on but

00:17:39.780 there's a lag why are we gonna why are we gonna talk to CNN about polls you can't just say well the

00:17:46.880 actual evidence that you're presenting is just fake but you should totally believe that it matters that

00:17:52.820 he was born on the 20th of January like come on well because because on the polls but the polls I

00:17:58.600 think are always lying to us about this stuff this is stuff that's on like on record legit throughout

00:18:03.300 history and like I said I do believe in the symbols of all these things I think these people are created

00:18:07.360 by monsters to overtake us symbolism not symbology correct uh I guess yeah I mean just making it yeah

00:18:13.240 yeah uh but like the thing about normies not believing in it I think is an indictment on journalism's

00:18:19.580 unwillingness to take this case seriously like looking beyond just the crimes because I think

00:18:25.560 it goes deeper than you know children being hurt is horrendous but this is a thing this is a pattern

00:18:31.820 in our country and the world for I mean forever you know we have major people you could look at the

00:18:37.600 Franklin scandal you could look at uh Michael Aquino all these people I agree with you that this is and

00:18:42.560 this is something that I said on IRL the other day um this kind of abuse from powerful people

00:18:48.120 abuse of other people that are less powerful that I mean the reason that we have the word sadism

00:18:54.880 is because of what Desaad was his name right yeah so he was a French guy and he literally just

00:19:02.020 enjoyed hurting people he was you know and people in power if they are malevolent and if they actually

00:19:09.700 have evil intentions which I don't dispute right there are people that are like that um I don't

00:19:16.020 think that that this is unique to our time no or that it's something that is unique to a certain group

00:19:25.560 of people I do think that there are powerful people that are actually uh that are actually good people

00:19:32.120 that are actually trying to do do good but clearly there are absolutely powerful people that are

00:19:39.400 I mean for lack of a better term evil that actually want to hurt people I just don't know that

00:19:46.240 the existence of those people means that we have the ability to to just point to people and say well

00:19:55.160 because you're in the elite you are these people and I think that's that's what people are there's a

00:20:00.740 lot of people that get wrapped up in that right in the whole well they're the elite that means they're

00:20:04.500 definitely bad yeah there and I think there are there are several levels of this too let even even

00:20:09.820 if we were putting aside quote-unquote conspiracy theories about you know world paradigms there

00:20:15.920 just look at the the way that this has been mishandled PR wise by Trump I mean there have been

00:20:21.880 so many no pushback for me so many and I think that I think I hate to say it but almost to a degree I

00:20:28.000 think in some ways the the truth at this point is not even the main the main issue what's the issue

00:20:33.540 is that there have been so many dramatic shifts and reversals by Trump by his people you have that

00:20:40.480 that deer in the headlights uh interview with Bongino and Patel they look like Johnny Depp and

00:20:45.960 Amber Heard in that Australia apology video and stuff and and people look people can sense that

00:20:51.060 there's something up here to that point right and again I'm playing devil's advocate here just

00:20:54.800 because there's got to be someone that's that grounded well not not to sound like a jerk but like

00:21:00.680 yeah if if we're all just sitting here saying yes yes yes yes yes to each other you know so I

00:21:05.200 think it's important and the questions are worth it you know we have to talk about it so what would

00:21:09.260 you say to people that say well look they looked like that because they had some sense of how it was

00:21:14.460 going to be received they remember all the things they said and they're like thinking in the in you

00:21:19.500 know in the back of their mind they're like I can't believe I got to get on here and I got to say

00:21:23.180 this people are going to think I'm lying because I was so blah blah blah but you know there's just I

00:21:29.100 saw it and this is actually true and I have to it sucks that I have to do this better job though

00:21:34.220 well how so so how what and what seriously like legitimately if they're if they're like

00:21:38.640 well I got to get out there and say it what is it what is going to convince someone that

00:21:44.420 already believes right and that's the big problem here there's tons of confirmation bias right are

00:21:50.680 people that are like well I already believe this and people that would have six months ago said

00:21:55.760 Dan and Cash they're gonna get in there and I know those guys I trust them they're gonna blow

00:22:02.740 it open I trust those guys I can't wait and then as soon as Dan Dan and Cash come out and say things

00:22:07.620 that conflict with the what they already believe oh they they must have got to him the deep state got

00:22:12.760 to him but you're acting like Dan and Cash and the Trump administration have done some kind of stellar

00:22:18.000 PR operation and people just aren't able to accept it I specifically said already that I'm not so

00:22:23.760 so then my answer to you would be what can they do they can do a better freaking job of presenting

00:22:28.840 this I would come out and I would say look guys I I know that we pumped this up but here's what's

00:22:34.780 happened we we got into these files and we found that we didn't have this we got into this we found

00:22:38.840 that I mean they need to explain they can explain more than just sitting there a lot of a lot of

00:22:42.740 people are pissed at because it's been whiplash it's been so back and forth on the messaging

00:22:46.520 however are should we really be shocked that that's their strategy here they've done it on

00:22:52.420 every other issue with tariffs one day they're on next day they're off the administration has done

00:22:57.600 this the entire time of just flip-flopping this seems more dramatic to me I don't know there's

00:23:02.260 the messaging is a more serious issue by far but I think they're doing what they've always done

00:23:07.600 messaging good I was gonna say I like you know how I feel about this case and I do think about

00:23:11.420 confirmation bias all the time and I don't believe what we'll see from the government I mean it's gone

00:23:16.080 through so many hands in different administrations why should we believe what they have um but I want

00:23:21.460 to see it all we should have every right to see I don't want to see the videos you know of children

00:23:25.900 being hurt that can't be let out that's disgusting but like there's people calling for that too and I

00:23:30.460 think that's bizarre uh but I I just think the messaging is so bad it's schizophrenic because it's like

00:23:36.920 one night they'll say nothing there's here the next night they'll say we're going to release it

00:23:41.160 Bongino says the we have raw footage it's uncut next thing we get a video it's missing a minute

00:23:46.440 a week later it's missing three minutes by the way it's not just sorry just one thing by the way

00:23:50.080 it's not just a a matter of neglect it's also a bizarre kind of obstinance that they're showing

00:23:56.460 a kind of frustration with people can't we just move on you're still talking about that

00:24:01.560 Epstein guy what's with my guys and gals this this condescension yeah and it comes you're the guys

00:24:07.100 who did the photo shoot with the binders there's no so there's I have no disagreement about anything

00:24:12.380 any of the the points you're making about how poorly this has been presented the idea you bring

00:24:17.400 you mentioned the binders that was probably the worst thing that they could have done they killed

00:24:21.460 an indie media that day they called it yeah I mean and the worst thing is they threw people that had

00:24:26.380 supported Trump they threw them right under the bus they made them look like was that intentional you

00:24:31.740 think I don't it was incompetence I don't think I don't think the influencers knew what they were

00:24:36.240 getting into but I do think someone in the administration knew what they were doing by

00:24:39.860 printing out binders and walking them out in front of photographers even though they'll be like the

00:24:44.160 photographers are there for some ambassador they knew damn well they were walking out for a photo

00:24:48.540 I know the influencers didn't really know what was going on but now having this conversation today

00:24:52.740 and looking back at everything that's happened do you think that it was a setup I think do you think

00:24:56.420 they perhaps knew this was the way things were going to go they wanted to shut these influencers down

00:25:00.560 yeah I think it's very condescending I think the people who are handling this situation who are

00:25:04.980 close to Trump don't think very highly of us and they think they can just throw us some scraps

00:25:09.020 and we'll get over it but this is one of the most nefarious crimes against children and he is a part of

00:25:15.000 the upper most upper parts of our society and he's not the only one like that so we can't just like

00:25:19.980 reduce it to some people dancing with binders and on the White House lawn and then move on you know

00:25:24.700 and then like what was phase two what was phase three yeah exactly I mean it's crazy it's a great bit

00:25:30.140 but it would be if it wasn't about kids being like hurt so badly and so many for such a long time

00:25:37.200 and also the fact that Trump does have an established and I understand that he says that he ended it and

00:25:44.600 he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago and whatever but he has an established history with Epstein I'm not I

00:25:48.940 know we don't know how extensive that was but you know when when the New York magazine decided to do an

00:25:55.200 expose on Jeffrey Epstein who was one of the main people they talked to as a character reference

00:25:59.560 so to speak as Trump that says something do you I feel like that gets run do you remember oh it was like

00:26:04.340 what early 2000s yeah and I that's what Phil was talking about earlier though is I do take into account

00:26:09.380 this guilt by association thing because when you're someone like Epstein his goal was to infiltrate

00:26:15.320 every institution from Harvard art Hollywood science so like Trump was that guy so you're bound

00:26:22.200 to be you know around him for photo ops and you know at parties and all that stuff but I don't think

00:26:27.840 I personally don't think Trump's implicated I don't think he's guilty I think his frustration

00:26:33.120 probably stems from the fact that what he's been told about this case doesn't jive with his base

00:26:38.700 and now they're really mad and he's like well I saw stuff that refutes that but the messaging from

00:26:44.980 him from everybody is poor right exactly so it's tough not just poor I mean it's in the

00:26:49.680 abysmal it's abysmal yeah and and the the level of condescension here nobody likes condescension

00:26:55.240 this is something that that MAGA voters also are not accustomed to Trump has never been condescending

00:27:01.120 as far as I know uh to his own constituency and it's far it's it's beyond condescending I mean he's

00:27:06.680 he called us weaklings I think he believes what he's saying I think that's why he's so mad but I think

00:27:12.500 he's off he's lost his balance yeah right and you know who knows what he's seen you know we could

00:27:17.980 look at why Bongino and Cash looked like it was a hostage situation on that Fox interview and maybe

00:27:22.500 they're spooked because they saw something far more nefarious you know not to go too crazy again

00:27:26.340 because you know how easy that gets Phil but like I think Epstein's alive I think they found out that

00:27:30.740 he's in witness protection or something that they've used him as the asset he was got him out and he's

00:27:35.760 somewhere living his life just want to me I want to drill down on that point just yeah just because I

00:27:39.540 want to make sure I understand what you actually do think why don't you do me a favor and articulate

00:27:44.420 what you actually do think in terms of his death not well not just that what do you think Epstein was

00:27:49.780 actually involved with because like I've like we talked a little I don't know if I we haven't said

00:27:54.700 it today but I'm of the mind that there are at least two two major opinions that the passionate

00:28:01.620 people have and I want to know which um kind of fall into or if you're a mixture of both probably all

00:28:06.800 of them uh gatekeeping power in this country and in other countries uh gatekeeping inventions in

00:28:12.880 science and art uh controlling politicians sexual blackmail and feeding off human suffering for his

00:28:20.900 own delight okay and so you what do you think has happened since we were told that Epstein killed

00:28:26.940 himself uh in terms of our society or about him in particular I don't think I don't think he died

00:28:33.400 like I look that whole story is very strange and this is just my speculation but I you know I've

00:28:39.260 mentioned this on the show before but it's worth I'll just say it again because it kind of ties in

00:28:42.200 I had been following the Nicholas Tartaglione case for 10 years uh he's a guy who was convicted of

00:28:47.560 executing four guys in a drug deal that went bad he's an ex-cop happened in Chester New York where he

00:28:51.940 used to be a furniture mover and these four men went disappearing and Tartaglione who's this ex-cop

00:28:57.240 was found guilty of of killing them putting them uh burying them in his grave on like a pig farm

00:29:02.780 and he went to jail and so I was writing about this for a while following him following his

00:29:08.800 depravities throughout his life and his career as a cop and he winds up being the guy who's in Epstein's

00:29:13.520 cell and he's the reason they the official story was at the time that he attacked Epstein and that's

00:29:19.960 how Epstein was moved right but that's he says that's not the case Tartaglione says Epstein actually

00:29:25.680 tried taking his life wrote a note like a suicide note Epstein tried to kill himself this is what

00:29:29.880 Tartaglione says his own life is what I'm yep and then that Tartaglione says he like cut him down

00:29:33.940 because he had a razor blade in his jail cell I also want to mention Tartaglione on the night before

00:29:38.360 this all happened got a cell phone in his cell remember this is a very corrupt prison in New York

00:29:43.520 City lots of problems there whatever happened Tartaglione has his own story there's the official

00:29:49.180 story whatever happened that's what moved Epstein to where he would not live anymore according to

00:29:55.580 the official story I think since he's such a powerful asset connected to such powerful entities

00:30:00.260 in our country and all around the world considering his lineage of Robert Maxwell who did very similar

00:30:06.640 things and and you know hook his daughter up with Jeffrey Epstein you know was in a yacht called

00:30:13.660 Lady Ghislaine anyway I think they switched him out I think they got a body double or something and

00:30:19.660 they brought Epstein out alive and let him live for they either they acquired that information and said

00:30:24.820 move on and we have a history of doing things like that in this country of seeing horrendous

00:30:29.080 nightmarish stuff go on and our government the status quo the evil status quo government being

00:30:34.380 like we want that information we're going to use it and a good example that would be like a unit 731 in

00:30:39.220 Japan after World War II when we gave everyone over their amnesty for the information on vivisection

00:30:43.800 on living people freezing hands and shattering them like and that's just one of like many examples of

00:30:48.760 how we like to acquire what we think of as torture evil information and use it so I think Epstein is

00:30:55.200 probably still alive I think that whole thing was weird there's discrepancies in the autopsy

00:30:59.440 Michael Bodden Dr. Michael Bodden has he doesn't believe it was a suicide he reviewed the autopsy I

00:31:06.220 think I don't know if he's actually with the body or if he reviewed the autopsy but Bodden's just

00:31:10.180 interesting because he did JFK's brain autopsy and all that stuff he um he did Shannon Gilbert who was a

00:31:16.500 victim of the Long Island serial killer uh so he's he talks a lot about the hyoid bone and Epstein's

00:31:22.080 broken three places which isn't really consistent with uh suicide it's more consistent with a

00:31:25.860 strangulation and a homicide uh there's so many discrepancies with the story I don't buy the

00:31:31.100 cameras going out we were told for years there were no cameras now we have this 11 hour footage

00:31:34.520 that's edited uh the security guards went to sleep it's bizarre to the another way in which

00:31:40.980 Trump administration has just utterly botched this is to put out finally after after an extensive

00:31:47.060 delay to put out this footage and tell us look here guys we've got it we've got it and then oh it

00:31:53.900 turns out there's a minute missing oh well we can explain that it's just this is what normally happens

00:31:58.080 every time that it reboots and then it turns out Wired magazine looks at the metadata which why is it

00:32:04.440 not it's just a no-brainer now that people are going to look at metadata like it's from the

00:32:08.140 Baldoni thing to to this that should have been expected well you look at the metadata and it

00:32:12.920 turns out no there's like three minutes missing from that video so what you've done what they did

00:32:18.040 is they were thinking that that was going to help them I suppose and relieve people's suspicions by

00:32:23.000 putting that video out there and instead it just tremendously reinforces the narrative that we're

00:32:27.120 being lied to I refuse to believe that this is incompetence like it seems all of this seems

00:32:32.680 intentional it's by design I just want to say one other thing if it is incompetence you need to

00:32:35.800 replace yeah hold on disagree I think that there is ample possibility for this to be incompetent then

00:32:43.220 you need to remove those people like whether it's Bondi how many things have to happen and go wrong

00:32:47.940 to allow this to happen for it to be incompetent when it comes to incompetence I don't think that

00:32:54.420 there is an upper limit well I agree with you on that I can be I agree infinitely stupid I but I so

00:33:01.100 like let's look at Butler really quick and I just want to make another point after this about

00:33:03.500 Epstein and the death Butler Pennsylvania is a good example of what I think was mass incompetence

00:33:08.780 but evil actors using that as a shield to carry out whatever they're investigating the people in

00:33:14.160 Butler or the secret service in Butler now because of yeah actual we haven't heard much possible

00:33:19.720 nefarious it was like what a dozen suspended agents yeah there's a lot now uh yeah that whole

00:33:24.140 thing's weird that's a whole thing but anyway um incompetence does happen I think sinister actors

00:33:29.860 use it as cover for their plots I mean that the Thomas Matthew Crook thing is so weird that they

00:33:36.300 cremated his body so quickly power washed the roof so quickly that and I'm talking about why people are

00:33:42.040 skeptical of of Trump and of this situation right now that is hovering in the background as well the

00:33:47.000 fact that most people feel as we do that that was never resolved that no attempt was even made to

00:33:51.940 account for that guy's motives Thomas his history all of that and so we've got that in the background

00:33:56.820 and there's just this sense you know I think that we that we understand this perfect the sense that

00:34:01.440 there is something pervasively wrong in our government this is right now and this is why

00:34:04.580 agenda 47 was so important and for Trump to campaign on literally obliterating the deep state

00:34:09.380 whatever you think that is I know it's an amorphous term and it's hard to sell to like the normies who

00:34:13.740 don't want to buy into it but this is this well it depends on what you're trying to sell because

00:34:18.340 like I said if if you articulate to to people the deep state the way that I kind of conceptualize it

00:34:24.120 the forever bureaucrats yeah most people don't really find objection with that right because

00:34:28.000 they're like well yeah I mean if I had a job I'd want to keep my job and I'd want my kids to go

00:34:31.560 to school and I want to keep making my mortgage payments so that makes perfect sense that there's

00:34:34.400 people that work in the in the the administration or working in the government that that want to

00:34:39.420 keep their jobs but if you're like hey they're all blood-sucking vampires and they're the ones that

00:34:44.520 are in control then people trust me it's a tough sell I try it every night on my show uh but I but it's

00:34:49.380 true I mean there is such a long history in this country of vampires like people who are

00:34:54.340 harming kids and videotaping themselves do it go look up Earl Bradley oddly enough Beau Biden who

00:35:00.040 Joe Biden never really talked about in terms he should have Beau Biden put an end to a pediatrician

00:35:04.740 videotaping himself harming children in his basement just because it like and I'm not that's just one

00:35:10.100 of many not saying that I'm not saying that you know horrible things don't happen everyone knows

00:35:14.440 that Ed Gein was a person everybody everybody knows who the Night Stalker was everybody knows

00:35:19.060 about Jeffrey Dahmer which you know some of the most macabre right you know serial killers and and

00:35:24.840 stuff so there's no question that it does happen and it makes perfect sense that if there are people

00:35:30.420 that are powerful that have influence and they happen to be those types of serial killers or have

00:35:37.360 that kind of uh malicious and sadistic inclination then they're going to use their power to cover it up

00:35:42.820 yeah and I don't think that it's I don't think that it's I think it's pervasive I don't think

00:35:48.160 that there's hundreds I think it's so pervasive because like an example I typically make is like

00:35:54.620 look you can go look up stories of politicians with child porn and it's insane or people who've

00:35:59.080 been abused or the way they wield their power when you say politicians what do you mean by politicians

00:36:03.020 representatives congressmen congresspeople and the reason I the reason I ask is because yes I agree

00:36:08.320 you can go up and you can go and look and see and find many yeah republican and democrat yeah yeah I'm

00:36:14.280 there's not a there's not a side um there's many of them but you do have to like I do think it's worth

00:36:20.260 remembering that there's 435 members of congress at any one time yeah and congressional representatives

00:36:26.380 change very very frequently so there's literally probably a couple thousand okay well Joe Biden

00:36:32.520 national represent Joe Biden well I think harm children again again I'm not saying that it doesn't happen

00:36:38.180 but I think that when you're talking about that number of people and that number of people that

00:36:43.620 that have like dark triad traits because generally to become a politician you have you're a little on

00:36:50.420 the I think it's psychopaths tend to be politicians yeah exactly yeah that kind of stuff I think that

00:36:57.160 they're they're probably overrepresented but at the same time I don't think that you know if there's

00:37:01.660 435 members of congress I don't think 300 of them are I don't know if all of them are but I know a lot

00:37:06.540 of their I guarantee a lot of the staffers are and a lot of those unelected bureaucrats probably

00:37:09.680 take partake in this as well and the weird parties they do you know you look at George Santos saying

00:37:13.220 recently about the those cages they had beneath the offices where all these weird sexual things

00:37:18.020 were going on uh senate staffers sodomizing each other in congressional hearing rooms I'm more apt to

00:37:23.500 believe that there is insane debauchery going on in congress and with staffers in DC than I am to

00:37:30.280 believe that there are multiple people committing murder and drinking the blood of and I think that that's

00:37:36.140 I think that's true to an extent I kind of think too that we're almost getting in the weeds with

00:37:41.100 this of like how depraved is congress how depraved is our is our government I mean the the point is is

00:37:46.540 that people even if they're not educated on all this stuff or they don't share these these specific

00:37:50.680 beliefs people have a general sense that there is something very wrong with those in control of our

00:37:56.440 of our government our society right so all you have to do is have something that taps into that and then

00:38:02.940 has some basis in fact which as we know there's a lot of basis in fact we're thinking that epstein

00:38:06.880 was hooked into to that upper echelons to that point doesn't it doesn't do you do you think that

00:38:13.020 the the argument that well people generally don't like congress but they generally like their

00:38:21.980 congressional representative do you think that that feeds into it people are like suspicious of

00:38:26.600 congress and they think something's going on but then if you drill down do you think your

00:38:31.080 representative is doing no not mine I that's my sense my sense is people would be like well no I

00:38:35.660 think my congressional representative is good and and the the something nefarious is going on

00:38:40.180 something bad is going on probably ends at the familiarity of their own I know one of our

00:38:44.640 congressmen I think is a failure right now yeah I don't I know a lot of people who just like

00:38:48.820 my congressman you know totally neglecting FBI whistleblowers who've had their lives completely

00:38:53.380 ruined for calling out FBI's unethical practices who have not been rehired who are being who are

00:38:58.740 completely destroyed by lawfare one of many within FBI and congressmen who represent these

00:39:04.540 whistleblowers have done nothing you know and it's not even say anything that's a problem to me well

00:39:09.580 and that gets that gets into something else too that I think is going to increasingly generate if

00:39:13.520 this is not if this is not better handled this is increasingly generate anger is that people have

00:39:18.800 also the feeling that we are held to different standards than those in charge of our government 100%

00:39:26.320 and so there's a sense no matter what it is that they're getting away with stuff and so when you

00:39:30.440 have something like this that comes along where people trusted the Bush the Bush administration

00:39:34.640 people trusted the Trump administration they trusted Bongino they trusted Patel

00:39:38.240 and then all of a sudden and Pam Bondi has been talking out of her ass for months oh I've got

00:39:43.020 truckloads of it it's on my desk I'm looking at it it's getting closer I can see it the file is

00:39:47.320 getting closer I'm gonna have it and you know it's like a horror movie you're supposed to it's

00:39:50.160 creeping up any day now but uh and and nothing and and for most people that is just it's a bridge

00:39:56.880 too far it's too much to ask people to to tolerate these dramatic reversals the sense of gaslighting

00:40:03.540 the condescension and again Trump attacking his own base at this point there's all that for sure

00:40:08.900 and I'm trying to think about how you know we can tell people who aren't plugged in as schizophrenically

00:40:14.220 as I might be to all this stuff but like one example could be so we know what Epstein has done

00:40:20.240 he's been in he went to jail for it right and when he went to jail the first time in Florida look at

00:40:24.920 that sweetheart deal he got right he was given he was able to leave whenever he wanted still had his

00:40:29.740 passport left the country came back only spent 13 months in there that's insane so you're talking

00:40:34.540 about like rules for the enough it it's such a great example of how this guy harmed underage

00:40:41.660 children and was in prison for it and then was allowed to just do his business that makes me

00:40:47.600 believe that Epstein is not the pinnacle of this that he is a small piece of the puzzle he's a cutout

00:40:53.980 because when they went after the mob they would do the most brutal mobsters that you know have dozens

00:40:59.620 of bodies right they would let them go if they could get the mob boss if they can get testimony how

00:41:04.360 pervasive do you think it is then I don't know because this seems like a western problem right like that

00:41:08.820 like it seems like a uniquely western like five eyes country problem uh other cultures

00:41:13.500 hold on Epstein wait which part Epstein which part is a pervasive problem I think that what

00:41:19.080 you're taught like what you're you're articulating is a is a an issue of familiarity not an issue of

00:41:25.780 of an of it being isolated to the west I imagine considering the fact that most people would consider

00:41:32.340 eastern European countries as uniquely corrupt or or countries that are not western we're talking about

00:41:38.760 more corrupt than the United States I think that it's probably not just more pervasive yeah in eastern

00:41:43.440 Europe and in other parts of the world but it's actually looked at as normal are you talking about

00:41:47.800 corruption and that's so if it's normalized in places of the world like eastern Europe or the

00:41:52.640 Middle East like this type of you know debauchery and this behavior are you talking about that's how

00:41:56.400 would you have leverage over people are you talking about corruption or the sexual blackmail stuff

00:42:00.600 and harming children or all that together kind of all of it together because I mean that is the that is a

00:42:05.760 ancient it's ancient it's going on forever ever and America is no different as you know go look

00:42:10.600 at all the child sacrifice in the Bible well not I mean not only that but like in in other parts of

00:42:15.100 the world not only is it is it considered normal and and not shocking um if if you're under a monarchy

00:42:22.540 most monarchies can just say well we're doing this and it doesn't matter what you think and if you

00:42:26.680 if you you know raise your head up and say this is a problem we'll just have it cut off so I just want to say

00:42:32.440 like thinking again about people who aren't plugged in and wondering why this is so important

00:42:37.180 wondering I personally don't think it's just online voices screaming about Epstein uh the only

00:42:43.440 people who seem to care about it you know and then thinking about his sweetheart deal in prison

00:42:47.500 and people saying well he just killed himself and just writing it off I don't think Epstein was a

00:42:52.580 suicidal person I think knowing how he was treated in prison in Florida that dude had a sweetheart deal

00:42:57.500 deal after a ton of people came forward and with corroborating evidence saying he harmed children

00:43:03.300 you know I don't I think he knew so many people in power that he had no fear of prison that he I think

00:43:09.160 that whole thing was designed for him to get out of that one jail cell and maybe they used

00:43:12.920 Hartaglione as a sort of patsy of sorts or maybe he's in on it I don't know to get him alone to get him

00:43:18.820 his freedom uh so they can keep doing these things because they don't really I don't think our

00:43:22.840 government gives up on it what makes Epstein so special that some regular old CIA agent couldn't

00:43:27.320 do I mean he was very he was a smooth operator he was apparently very intelligent right but after the

00:43:33.560 the whistle was blown after people realized what he was up to why would they even what I think that's

00:43:38.860 why you have to have a cutout is because he's not technically CIA he's not technically Mossad right

00:43:43.860 you know when the prime minister the former prime minister just came out recently saying he was I can

00:43:47.220 tell you verified he was not Mossad I'm like yeah I'm sure like I'm sure he worked with you

00:43:51.840 though like Robert Maxwell worked with you he wasn't technically Mossad but a lot of people who

00:43:56.220 are not technically CIA but you're still an asset and yeah he was smooth and he just had these

00:44:01.220 connections I mean he I think he was groomed into these positions and used and uh maybe because

00:44:07.240 they knew what his proclivities were you know and they used that say hey he felt above the law

00:44:13.240 clearly he was above the law look how he was in Florida in the Florida jail and and I just want to

00:44:17.620 say here too the fact that he received such an obvious easy deal in in the Florida situation and

00:44:25.360 that and that really it seems like for years people were over the government was overlooking

00:44:29.120 his uh his crimes there's no way to explain that except to say that he must be connected to or

00:44:38.200 entrenched with the government and so the problem then with with uh with Trump or his people trying

00:44:43.920 to pass off now the idea that there's nothing to see here and this was just a perverted guy

00:44:48.220 committing crimes in in isolation is that that does not then explain why he was why he was allowed to

00:44:55.160 get away with it for so long either he was allowed to get away with it or he he got these easy deals

00:45:00.700 like in Florida because of his connections like Acosta said and his usefulness to the government

00:45:05.940 and his and his or or he wasn't so what what would you say to people that would say well you know

00:45:10.980 during the 90s late late 80s and 90s he was friends with Bill Clinton and so that was his

00:45:17.680 insulation I think Bill Clinton was on the plane after 2016 they were I mean after 2016 I think

00:45:23.500 there is I think Bill might have never left but there's a ton of prominent people if it wasn't

00:45:28.020 Bill I want to check that but I think it was but there's a ton of prominent people who had no

00:45:32.180 problem hanging out with Epstein after the conviction but to Kristen's point like what would

00:45:36.440 you say to people that are well I mean he was friends with the president oh so you're saying that they

00:45:39.720 would say that the the the rationale for him getting basically a such an easy ride and being

00:45:45.260 being for so long tolerated by the government was because of his connections to powerful people I

00:45:49.420 mean well not just powerful people but to the Clintons to the Clintons because the president I mean

00:45:53.180 the president and actually you know Hillary Clinton is extremely powerful as well and so or are we

00:45:58.500 supposed to understand that okay so you're so the argument would be then that Clinton and the

00:46:03.660 Clintons were pulling strings in the government to keep their buddy out of trouble to my my I'm

00:46:09.680 imagining right right because of his association they would be saying oh you know the reason that

00:46:14.420 he didn't get picked up until you know in the 2000s I think the first time he was arrested was

00:46:18.440 what 2003 or 4th or maybe 4 or 5 early 2000s maybe 2006 actually early odds right so he didn't get

00:46:27.260 picked up until then well that that was because they were making sure or the Clintons specifically

00:46:32.940 Bill Clinton was making sure that you know he put a little pressure on people like hey you know

00:46:37.240 don't don't don't go ahead and look into this too much he's a friend or whatever it could be it

00:46:42.260 seems like that would be a great thing then for the Trump administration to delve into then and to

00:46:47.340 I think people just they want more they feel like they've not been given anywhere near an adequate

00:46:53.440 accounting of this situation and people don't feel like they're entitled to know top secret all the

00:46:58.460 top secret stuff or the ins and outs of everything but I think that when you actually think that I

00:47:03.400 actually think people do think well and I think we are so then yeah I think we turn it inside out

00:47:08.920 because these people have been operating within this government for so long and like Epstein's not

00:47:13.380 the only one and there's levels above him that we don't even know about though if it's as serious as

00:47:18.240 you say it is and there was this risk of Trump coming in and unleashing it all who in their right

00:47:22.660 mind would keep that evidence around yeah exactly like that's why I can't trust what they put out

00:47:26.980 you know the breaking news last night was Pam Bondi is gonna release the grand jury testimony

00:47:31.580 is that even real I actually have a problem with the idea of keep this around because even things

00:47:38.500 that were written down once you once you once you digitize it digitize it and make it into a file

00:47:44.440 it never actually goes away so me like it's possible that some of the originals were destroyed

00:47:50.260 but as soon as you scan it into a computer then it's there are infinite copies sure but then

00:47:56.200 Americans America's enemies who what the hack that shut down the oil pipeline what year was

00:48:01.500 that it wasn't that long ago it was a handful of years ago they can shut down oil and uh on the

00:48:06.420 you know the entire eastern sea where the United States but they can't get in and release some

00:48:09.480 Epstein files like wouldn't America's enemies want to expose that if it was there if it was digitized

00:48:14.620 it all depends on how it was digitized first of all where it was kept and what if if and what

00:48:21.540 type of internet it was kept on when I say type of internet the United States has what they call a

00:48:27.440 SIPR net which is an which is internal internet that doesn't actually connect it's air gapped

00:48:31.580 from the actual regular internet it you know follows the same state protocols but it doesn't actually

00:48:37.460 ever connect and that's why you have to go into a SCIF secret compartmentalized information center um

00:48:42.900 to actually see something so if they took these Epstein documents and digitize them and put them onto the

00:48:49.640 onto the like the the SIPR net I think it's called then that would be totally isolated and you have to

00:48:55.640 physically go to where you know to a SCIF and actually plug it your computer in and get it that

00:49:01.460 way all the files are written by the auto pen uh Epstein is the yeah it is weird that they keep

00:49:07.220 things like you know they they did all the JFK files releases which were kind of like a nothing

00:49:10.860 because a lot of it we knew already um but it's interesting to see just how they keep all these

00:49:15.220 things like Operation Mongoose stuff everyone knows about it and there's new things about Mongoose in

00:49:19.680 those files but you're just seeing these memos going back and forth about like okay this is CIA guys

00:49:24.440 we're going to use bio warfare on Cuba destroy all their crops and they'll think it was just natural

00:49:30.120 you know and they're just writing it down and we we kept it and we could then be skeptical of that why

00:49:35.140 do they keep it you know but it's they do keep these things it's odd I do want to devil's advocate

00:49:40.780 push back a little bit on the idea though that it's so crazy to think that Epstein might have killed

00:49:45.460 himself I read a biography of him or an article about him in Vanity Fair from I think it was 2003

00:49:51.420 and it was interview with him and one of the things that was interesting about that is he

00:49:56.560 claimed that he never ate out at restaurants that even the best New York restaurants five-star

00:50:03.540 restaurants were just untenable for him that he had to have his food cooked just a certain way

00:50:08.320 by his his chefs and I'm thinking how is a guy like that gonna fare in the Brooklyn unit he knows

00:50:14.520 there's plastic he knows he's gonna fake his death and be at some five-star restaurant you know in a

00:50:19.520 day I think if you're if you fake your death how are you gonna go to a five-star restaurant because

00:50:22.960 you got a new face oh a new face okay come on face off they do that all the time my thing is okay

00:50:28.140 so Florida was like strike one and then he caught himself caught up again with the was it Manhattan

00:50:33.180 was the district yeah right when they raided the house so maybe the government say hey we we bailed you

00:50:38.260 out once we're not we can't come to your rescue again and maybe he did take his own life I mean this

00:50:43.240 isn't to say you know what evidence may or may not exist but just Epstein alone it's it's just hard

00:50:48.920 to believe if you lost all your power and your access and you're sitting in that jail cell you're

00:50:53.060 alone you know the whole world's watching and your power is gone and you're facing life and but but

00:50:58.000 thank thank god the guy who gave me my first big job is in charge of everything right now

00:51:02.620 thank god that's weird I don't care what anyone says that is weird yeah I mean I understand what

00:51:11.140 you're saying that's weird but I I still don't feel like weird is is evidence for the normies that

00:51:16.000 it's not sufficient no I get it I get it I run into this all the time though there is a cumulative

00:51:20.320 effect though over time where again I think it's early to be gauging public reaction to this public

00:51:25.160 sentiment and there are a lot of people who still don't even don't aren't even aren't even following

00:51:29.620 the story don't know that there's this huge disconnect right now between Trump and and his

00:51:33.980 administration and then the American people so I do think that the longer that this story

00:51:38.920 continues so hold on you said there's a disconnect between this Trump and his people and the Trump

00:51:45.760 and the American people on the story I'm saying that I'm saying there's I'm saying that I don't

00:51:50.060 think a lot of people are are yet are still really aware the extent that there's there is this growing

00:51:55.200 disconnect here between Trump and and the MAGA okay but uh but I so I'm saying like over time I do

00:52:01.180 think the longer that this continues and if it if it continues to be embarrassing toward toward Trump if he

00:52:06.800 can't find a way to to combat this you know the Wall Street Journal article did him a favor because

00:52:12.600 whatever the merits may be of that story and it it to most people it it did look like bullshit and so

00:52:20.580 I do think he's gotten a bit of a reprieve you think it's not I think that it certainly look on face

00:52:26.000 value it seems like it's bullshit but at but I am now so skeptical because of the way that Trump has

00:52:32.900 been behaving the way that certain people in his administration been behaving and also because

00:52:36.340 it is again it's it's Epstein it is it is there are certain components of this that have been this

00:52:41.740 conspiracy idea that have been at least proven by even Costa saying like we couldn't we couldn't

00:52:46.520 fully prosecute him because he's tied in with the government you know I know that that that writing

00:52:50.980 or the way that the Wall Street Journal relayed the writing of that birthday card or whatever I know

00:52:56.080 that it did not sound like Trump but but if someone is putting together a cheeky packet of birthday

00:53:02.360 messages for someone and they and say Ghislaine Maxwell said to Trump we're going to put this

00:53:06.480 together for Jeff make it something really special and make it something like personal like maybe some

00:53:10.620 inside jokes between you or whatever I can see where you would write in a more florid way or or if you

00:53:17.100 were talking about some bad secret shit you would write in a a much more sort of I don't think Trump's

00:53:22.820 that way but I mean who am I to know but I think I think those are scumbag journalists taking advantage of

00:53:27.720 Trump failing they're always they're always scumbag almost all of them it depends which

00:53:32.140 kind of bubble you're in because I saw all today when I'm scrolling the news on Twitter today like

00:53:36.420 just seeing a maybe there's an update from Pam Bondi regarding Epstein and stuff I see a lot of

00:53:41.680 people a lot of Democrats are showing these drawings that Trump did from years ago I guess he would

00:53:46.720 auction off a drawing from Trump and they're like look dude this proves it this is like the same style

00:53:51.260 of drawing that the Wall Street Journal was talking about so you have a lot of people that totally

00:53:55.240 believe the the WSJ report right even Coffeezilla if you guys aren't familiar with him he's like one

00:54:00.100 of the biggest like YouTube investigative journalists okay he exposed like crypto scams a bunch of them

00:54:05.200 uh he believes it I know people on the right who do and and uh and and so again like and and if this

00:54:14.380 if the Wall Street Journal article had just been released uh separate from all of this then I think

00:54:20.700 it'd be a lot easier for people to look at and say this is BS but it's coming on the heels of so why

00:54:24.300 wouldn't they release the actual letter well I assume that I assume obviously that they don't

00:54:29.240 have it and reading the article reading the article to me what it sounded like is of course

00:54:33.000 it's someone or it sounds like several people they're claiming who have seen this and it was

00:54:39.100 it was in the custody of the Department of Justice and so at least that's the claim and so I assume

00:54:44.020 that they that the Wall Street Journal is just claiming that they have some sources on the inside

00:54:48.140 maybe in the Justice Department who've seen it and who can relate what is in it now again do I trust

00:54:51.940 right right right Justice Department working with newspapers I've never heard of that right

00:54:56.120 that's crazy talk that is crazy talk I don't know I just think I do I do want to say this you know

00:55:01.600 this talk of normies I know they exist but I think there's a lot less now after COVID and lockdowns when

00:55:07.100 everyone saw the government turn against them and mothers widespread across the country saw their

00:55:11.980 children literally attacked by the government forced vaccinations and people started waking up to the

00:55:16.540 fact that wait this thing I've been buying into uh is hates me hates my children and I have to that's

00:55:22.600 why RFK Jr. was so popular you know and then through that you know you see a ton of people saying like

00:55:29.360 now they're looking into conspiracies right people grew up into it yes I say conspiracies I think it's

00:55:33.780 history right conspiracy theorists are just historians and these things we know our government's depraved

00:55:40.240 so I don't think a lot of I think a lot less people are like they're I think a lot more people

00:55:46.500 are open to the fact that our government is completely out of control and depraved and willing

00:55:50.700 to do anything to hurt you to maintain power it's trending that way and I think like the COVID era was

00:55:56.700 a catalyst for like yeah the more people they get social media and smartphones in their pocket

00:56:00.960 the more I think people are given so much information that it kind of forces you to critically think

00:56:07.280 hopefully you know that's the goal it's what I hope you're also susceptible to bad information

00:56:10.780 that's right that too and they and they weaponize that against which I think yeah helps feed conspiracy

00:56:15.540 theories whether it's Epstein or Bigfoot whatever it may be you know you have all this different

00:56:19.940 information coming at you you know and it's becoming harder to for people because there is so much

00:56:24.060 information for people harder than ever to differentiate what's legit and what's not for instance and I

00:56:28.860 don't want to take this on a tangent here but as someone who followed the Diddy saga closely I'm amazed at how

00:56:35.420 and and I believe that that was a legit trial and again I don't think there was a big conspiracy there

00:56:39.780 call me though I'm amazed um I just think she was incompetent I'm amazed at how many people will say

00:56:45.320 to me though yeah but you had all of those uh all of those celebrities going to those freak-offs no

00:56:50.300 there were no celebrities who went to freak-offs there there have been a number of uh people who have

00:56:54.560 filed shady lawsuits against Diddy most of them by that scoundrel sleazebag lawyer Tony Busby

00:57:01.280 who have claimed that oh yeah I saw this celebrity here this celebrity here but really what came out

00:57:06.940 in that trial is is really that there's really no no no there there and so my point is just that

00:57:12.860 people are inundated now with so much so much information that it's very difficult for them

00:57:17.020 to sort out what is just conspiratorial bunk and what is more valid people are so willing to believe

00:57:22.880 anything they want you're talking about confirmation bias earlier you know there were so many things

00:57:26.900 coming out of the Diddy trial like I had friends there too and they they were like getting hit up

00:57:31.700 all the time like was Prince there like the ghost of Prince showed up or something and they were

00:57:35.560 hearing Prince recordings totally fake right right people I really like were totally believed they

00:57:41.260 didn't even question the fact that it was fake right you know I think everything's fake right uh well

00:57:45.180 I mean I saw not just pulse even the things I think are fake I saw I saw clouds are definitely fake

00:57:50.100 Phil don't derail this conversation Phil that's what I do anyway I won't take us down the Diddy pathway I've

00:57:56.260 done some videos on that people can check it out but I I'm just saying that I I think it's always

00:57:59.580 been true that it was hard for people to separate uh conspiracy from the truth but now because we're

00:58:04.100 so inundated it's just it's like a constant you scroll down Twitter and you're just inundated with

00:58:08.980 all these theories I just think conspiracy that were I hate that word but I think that toward that

00:58:13.700 attitude within our government is the norm you know you look at Gladio Northwoods Agent Orange Gulf of

00:58:20.800 Tonkin you know all these things that is the norm there's no question look when when people

00:58:25.960 get wrapped up with the term conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy is just multiple people getting

00:58:29.780 together and talking about something conspiracy theory that's all it is um but when it comes to

00:58:35.280 whether or not conspiracies are real that's without there's no question about whether or not

00:58:40.460 conspiracies are real um I think the the validity of the information is what's really the important

00:58:46.960 thing you know whether or not there's substantial whether you can find substantiated evidence right as

00:58:52.980 opposed to just oh I heard this guy talking about this and he said a bunch of other guys said that

00:58:57.880 um but I do want to bring it back to you know the topic of the the show what do you guys think this

00:59:04.840 actually means for MAGA and the Republican Party going forward I think it's a total fracture you're

00:59:10.960 seeing the people who I think are intellectually dishonest like Ben Shapiro just falling by the wayside

00:59:16.620 like I don't think they have any value I've not been following him what is his response to all of

00:59:21.260 this he's he's the normie if you're talking about normies he is the quintessential normie to see here

00:59:25.700 I but he's lost me since COVID so Shapiro's point is look I was open to the idea of you know the the

00:59:34.480 the ideas that have been presented here right he's right so before the information started coming out

00:59:39.300 from the current administration he's like I was open to these ideas but I know Dan Bongino I trust

00:59:46.700 Kash Patel I know them like I mean I guess he knows him personally and he's like this is this is what

00:59:52.360 they say so I'm going to believe them because I don't have any evidence to the contrary I also

00:59:58.000 believe Pfizer uh well I mean there's there's a sentiment that with all the point the point is

01:00:03.540 you know he's just taking the story at face value so yeah so what I want to say though is I think

01:00:10.240 it's fractured people within MAGA but I think you see a lot in my terms I know there's people online

01:00:15.960 saying the people in my life don't care about Epstein at all I that's not what I'm experiencing

01:00:19.500 but look at me and I'm crazy I know a lot of crazy people uh take that into account um I think there's a

01:00:24.760 lot of people coalescing around the Epstein story because they've always cared about it people always

01:00:29.120 hopefully care about children being harmed and when you tie that to the government and possible

01:00:34.500 blackmail that's a very important thing so I I think I love seeing people coalesce around it online

01:00:40.540 and offline demanding stuff even if it's in the face of this this theory of like trust the plan bro

01:00:46.200 Trump's doing some 5d chess which I don't really think but if he does I'd rather not be a political

01:00:50.300 I'm tired of hearing about the 5d chess I'd rather not be a political pawn there there is some serious

01:00:54.220 sentiment I think from the administration and a lot of people in MAGA that it's like like look at all

01:00:57.860 the wins so this excuses this one blender and I think that's just a logical fallacy like it doesn't

01:01:03.360 like you don't get a free pass in real life you know you're supposed to be good and just all the

01:01:08.800 time you don't get to and and I think that was Trump's reaction was like that's why he insulted

01:01:13.760 people and he got flustered it was like I've done so much for you I've done so much are you really

01:01:18.380 complaining about this look what he's been through I mean oh of course I I I totally understand I'm not

01:01:23.620 one of those people who's gonna go burn my MAGA hat I don't have a MAGA hat but if I had one I'm not

01:01:27.240 gonna burn it I'm not someone who's gonna denounce him publicly I'll criticize him and like I support

01:01:32.180 those wins you know the steel natural gas that we are uh arresting pedophiles Nixon had the same

01:01:37.980 complaint Nixon's like I went to China I normalized relations with China I did this and that why do

01:01:42.920 you care about this Watergate thing well you can complain about it as much as you want but he's due

01:01:46.180 for a redemption arc I think and I'm not denying that but I'm just saying that politicians are can

01:01:51.460 complain as much as they are commentators can can bemoan as much as they want to the fact that

01:01:55.800 this is at the moment overshadowing Trump's games but that's the that is the game and Trump by the

01:02:01.140 way you know he initially got into politics by trying to prove that Barack Obama was not born in

01:02:07.820 the United States so he's he's not really one to tell us what we should be interested I want those

01:02:12.420 papers I mean I'm with them and the more I'm with them more you tell people not to care about

01:02:16.360 something right the more they're going to be coming for you right but I I really want to pull this

01:02:20.920 back what do you think it means for MAGA and for the Republican Party moving forward we can talk

01:02:26.380 about yeah how all the mistakes that were made and you know we've talked about that for an hour and

01:02:30.980 it's been covered ad nauseum by about every podcast in the past six months or whatever what do you guys

01:02:38.300 think this means for MAGA do you think that this is a a a coalition breaking issue or do you think that

01:02:45.900 at the end of the day people are going to say well he did do all these things that I do like I don't

01:02:52.220 like this and the options are the Democrats do you think that people will will stay home in the

01:03:00.900 midterms and now keep in mind the midterms are you know there's a significantly lower turnout and the

01:03:07.400 people that go to the midterms are more politically plugged in than the average person so yeah you know

01:03:13.980 for lack of a better term the normies generally stay home in the midterms um or do you think that

01:03:19.240 this is this is something where people will say oh even though it's bad and I don't like this I'm

01:03:25.260 still going to go out and vote for things that I think are actually better for me because at the

01:03:29.620 end of the day if you're MAGA the policies that the Republicans are are talking about are going to

01:03:35.740 have a better effect on your life than the policies the Democrats I mean I I personally I although I

01:03:42.920 champion those wins from Trump I feel like a lot of the joy has been superficial I think people are

01:03:47.800 suffering in this country people are not having their paychecks are still being robbed these taxes

01:03:53.220 are coming out people the groceries are so expensive gas is so expensive so if the economy does get better

01:03:57.840 I'm sure they'll go out to vote in the midterms I do see a lot of uh I don't say nihilism apathy

01:04:03.800 with amongst voters you know and they're not really getting the wins I mean we're out here

01:04:07.660 in in the panhandle I know a lot of people who were fired by doge who were Trump voters

01:04:13.260 and they don't understand why and it's hard because I'm like I wanted doge to destroy the

01:04:17.320 government um but I also have sympathy for people who don't understand why they lost their jobs and

01:04:21.480 are replaced by AI that was made by a guy you know who don't get me started on Elon you know like

01:04:27.460 so that's that's tough I also think the left is activated now more than they've been in a while

01:04:32.220 in their hatred for Trump like always right so you're gonna have to watch out for that I think it

01:04:36.540 would be MAGA exists beyond just Trump and the people who just worship Trump like cat turd like

01:04:42.900 that's a problem like you shouldn't have a false idol right cat turd is really having a rough a couple

01:04:47.820 of weeks I I really can't stand that person um but like he's go I thought he was ghostwriting a lot

01:04:54.140 of Trump's truth social posts recently um but I think it's it would if if Trump fails on the Epstein

01:05:00.520 stuff that is a big loss in my opinion despite the wins because of how I feel about the importance

01:05:06.380 of the Epstein story within our government and the world um and it would be an indictment on Trump

01:05:12.600 not being the wrecking ball that I think a lot of people voted for representative of a larger

01:05:17.380 phenomenon yes we thought he was going to go in there and obliterate the deep state but I don't

01:05:21.240 know if that's possible you know that's that is that is evil you're talking about like legit evil

01:05:25.660 I don't know if you can do that despite running on it it reminds me of uh that Oliver Stone movie

01:05:30.640 Nixon it's a great movie and there's an anecdote in there which is actually based in fact where

01:05:35.380 Nixon would go to the Lincoln Memorial in the middle of the night to talk to protesters and

01:05:39.980 there's this great scene you probably know it oh yeah where he's talking to one of the girls

01:05:43.480 uh female protesters and she says I and he basically says I'm trying to tame the system I'm trying to

01:05:49.980 make it do some good and she's like you can't control it can you and he's he has this epiphany and

01:05:54.000 he's like she was right you know and I want to say one other thing to going that I think is is

01:05:59.420 also going on with right now with this uh anger from from MAGA at Trump I think that there are a

01:06:06.980 number of Trump supporters MAGA people who have gotten tired of over the years being told that they

01:06:13.380 are just mindless followers in a cult and I think that consciously or unconsciously this is offering

01:06:18.840 people the opportunity to say see I'm not in a cult I'm not a blindly obedient I'm I have a problem

01:06:27.240 with this Epstein stuff and I see people online who seem to be and I'm not saying this is wrong

01:06:31.400 it's understandable seem to be reveling in the opportunity to take a stand against Trump to show

01:06:37.620 right I just think that's a side benefit of it in a way that people may not be aware of but I think

01:06:41.820 that's going on as well to answer your question I think with this Epstein stuff coming out now I think

01:06:47.060 it won't really have an impact on the midterms that being said I am not optimistic for Republicans

01:06:51.920 performing well in the midterms I think a lot of people are one issue voters that may be Epstein

01:06:57.280 that may make them stay home most people stay home as you pointed out as it is now the economy

01:07:01.520 right Phil you constantly point this out this is the number one driver if people can't afford their

01:07:05.760 groceries people can't afford gas I'm Gen Z right when you tell me oh are you thinking about buying a

01:07:11.160 house I laugh you I think you're making a joke if that's still the reality yeah it's not that I'm

01:07:15.840 going to go vote Democrat but it's like will someone like me actually be motivated it's like oh it's a

01:07:20.540 Tuesday I've got work I've got to go to the doctor I'm not going to vote that's right I don't think

01:07:24.480 people are going to switch votes right like like I don't think there's going to be like a mass exodus

01:07:27.740 from the Republicans now back to the left I think it's you saw a lot of an exodus from the left to

01:07:30.940 the right and now they might not feel so good about it whether it's the economy not doing as well

01:07:35.400 despite what they say I mean they kind of might be doing better the tariffs didn't destroy the

01:07:39.460 economy like I said they're going to on the left but people are suffering it was a giant hole and it's

01:07:44.300 not one one term one four-year presidency is not going to dig us out of this hole right it's going to

01:07:49.340 be a great start and you know the Democrats are not doing themselves any favors they're they're

01:07:53.320 like Zoran is becoming the new face of the party and they're embracing it I haven't heard from any

01:07:58.760 prominent Democrats other than like Zoran in the last one month you know I mean Bernie Sanders came

01:08:04.280 out Bernie's and yeah so it's like if they keep embracing socialism shock I mean that's going to turn

01:08:09.800 away the yes the moderates I mean when it that'll turn turn away the moderates but it can actually and

01:08:16.660 what's the more attractive party for a moderate right now like what's the more attractive party

01:08:21.800 right now for a moderate by the name of Gavin Newsom will take advantage of the party that's

01:08:27.360 that fraction of the party going so fringe still that's still down the road though because for

01:08:30.840 presidential stuff yeah talking about stuff for I do say if you like like if there's some kind of

01:08:35.600 new coalition like a not a MAGA but like what Elon's floating and Andrew Yank's interested you're

01:08:41.340 going to get those like moderate kind of uh do you think that would split MAGA or do you think

01:08:46.060 that would split I think it would split uh MAGA and I think Democrats would probably would stay home

01:08:52.520 I think it'll split the or it could just siphon off it's become the big it's the common sense party now

01:08:58.280 it's the big tent common sense party and and like a lot of things Epstein's not going to be that one

01:09:03.540 issue that makes or breaks the election that's that's honestly my sense as well I think that the

01:09:08.620 Epstein story it matters re a whole lot to a very small vocal group of people but I think that

01:09:17.060 they're but it is still it is still early and I think that because there is such a a controversial

01:09:22.560 tabloid appeal to this that just in a very human sense rational or not it it really it really gets

01:09:28.660 people I think this could become right it's still early days I think this could become bigger if it is

01:09:33.860 not if it's not handled properly Trump needs to put a tourniquet on this thing how does it

01:09:38.600 get bigger what because I feel like for it to get bigger new information has to come out or

01:09:44.600 there or new information has to come out that like the administration denies if if there's no

01:09:49.960 new developments beyond I mean I guess the Wall Street Journal thing that came out yesterday that

01:09:54.640 was supposed to be like oh this is going to be a big thing the the this is going to be an issue

01:09:59.040 it was so it was such an prior to it actually being released it was the rumor was that it was such a

01:10:04.960 big issue that Trump himself called the Wall Street Journal and actually gave a statement to

01:10:08.760 him talk to him so this was supposed to be a big deal and that that is a total nothing burger I'm

01:10:13.180 not sure it's as much of a nothing burger though as you were saying you were talking about how you

01:10:16.660 see a lot more people online than you would think who were who were buying it and again all of this is

01:10:21.140 cumulative so it's kind of like taking on leaks you know in a leaky leaky boat one two three leaks

01:10:26.040 whatever but over time it weighs it down um but I know I don't if you if you put a gun in my head

01:10:32.420 and ask me I don't think it's going to have a tremendous effect on the midterms what does matter

01:10:35.980 mean because Shane Gillis just got up on stage at the ESPYs and made an Epstein joke does it move

01:10:42.040 people not to vote for their own yeah for their own interests yeah if you're talking about Epstein is

01:10:49.340 like a political motivator to get to the polls yeah I don't think it matters I I think it is definitely

01:10:54.800 mainstream people are making you pointed out people are making jokes about Epstein just like

01:10:59.180 they do 9-11 like another giant conspiracy that people talk about like it's mainstream but it

01:11:04.860 doesn't motive people aren't not voting Republican or Democrat because they think 9-11 was an inside

01:11:09.160 job or not so just to talk to sum up your your your opinion you don't think that this is going to

01:11:15.880 change MAGA significantly there will be people that are if this was an October surprise maybe but not

01:11:20.860 or no no I think it will change it I don't think I think a lot of people do care about it but a lot

01:11:25.660 of people will also not change their vote because of it I but I think there's a large group of people

01:11:31.300 who are disenfranchised with MAGA right now and there are people who came over from Maha not happy

01:11:38.760 with a lot of the FDA stuff that's been coming out recently which is completely contradictory to what

01:11:42.880 RFK Jr. ran on and his books you know the six-month-old stuff uh it's not good you know I think that's not

01:11:49.240 very very very bad and um so I see that's a big coalition you know those those moms and by the

01:11:55.920 way there are a number of people who have supported Trump or consider themselves MAGA or maybe peripherally

01:12:01.660 MAGA who can be peeled away from this at least in terms of their enthusiasm I mean I would count

01:12:06.000 myself in this category I supported Trump in all three elections that he ran in and I and I feel like

01:12:14.160 this I'm so disgusted right now with the way that he is condescending to and I feel gaslighting his

01:12:19.720 people and calling us weaklings that I would be inclined to just kind of be apathetic next I think

01:12:25.160 he's I think he can redeem himself I think there's still time for that you know we've seen him pull

01:12:29.980 off other crazy stunts I'm not happy with obviously how this has been handled right but Trump I think

01:12:35.660 can regain his balance I don't know how it's going to happen I think that their messaging has to get

01:12:39.780 much better what do you think it so like let's take this hypothetical Trump just told Pam Bondi to

01:12:46.860 release all of the pertinent information well I said that the part yeah pertinent or credible right

01:12:51.260 pertinent credible so that that plays right into my point how much how many people and I personally

01:12:59.360 think the people that care about Epstein I think a large percentage of them no matter what the

01:13:03.900 government releases it's not going to be enough because it doesn't confirm it won't be enough how much

01:13:07.900 well there you go that's so that's the point how much does it matter for what they release

01:13:14.500 considering what we kind of all agree to that no matter what comes out unless it confirms people's

01:13:22.060 bias how much does it matter that they're doing this because Trump said he's like you know you're

01:13:26.500 this you you won't let this die so here have all of it this is why the messaging should have been

01:13:32.620 better much earlier but that but the point but the point that you're making then is it doesn't

01:13:37.640 matter what he does no I'm not saying I'm saying earlier on if the messaging had been good or

01:13:43.540 consistent or not condescending or whatever you want to say then I I and others would have I think

01:13:48.040 been a lot more willing to let this go but what this has done it's like picking off a scab or stoking

01:13:53.060 a fire so that now now moving forward yeah I think he's almost kind of I think he's in danger

01:13:57.180 actually of what I call a PR death spiral where maybe there's nothing that's going to that's going

01:14:02.540 to fix this but he could certainly he could certainly change his tone because I know that's a basic the

01:14:07.840 that's a basic thing stop stop acting like you you are befuddled why have you met Donald Trump have

01:14:13.560 you seen how Donald Trump behaves there's two honestly you think about it well I've never seen

01:14:18.240 him calling his followers weaklings nobody calls every everybody else he he's incredibly critical of

01:14:24.100 that's what my significant other is always telling me as soon as they say something that he likes he's

01:14:28.020 like oh they're a great guy everyone knows that's how Donald Trump acts right everybody knows but

01:14:32.400 but his supporters have never had that that why should why focus on them it's not even it's not his

01:14:38.080 supporters because there are people out there that are like no I support Donald Trump and this is all

01:14:41.940 that are the people that are you know that again as we've kind of discussed have been supporting him

01:14:48.480 but who are now pissed off or disillusioned because they have a preconceived idea about the

01:14:53.660 Epstein stuff and what it is well it's not preconceived though when he's been feeding into it when he when

01:14:57.720 you botch something as badly as he's botched the PR on this then you're I do think that it's that it's

01:15:03.220 kind of a preconceived because the botching doesn't the box parts preconceived well they already believe

01:15:08.020 like people that believe that the people that believe that it's it's about um you know people that

01:15:13.940 believe that it's about pedophiles or people that believe that it's about Israel they've always

01:15:18.220 believed that and they always will I mean no matter what comes out there is verifiable stuff out there about

01:15:23.420 like why is a former prime minister of Israel Ehud Barak going into his mansion in 2016 2016 so

01:15:31.220 again this is not evidence though but why would anyone would you ever go to someone's house after

01:15:37.840 they've been convicted for what they did my point is they people that believe these things will all

01:15:45.700 believed them before Trump got into office right they believe again these are the same people that

01:15:50.440 believed cash and Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi and Donald Trump are going to get in and show them

01:15:55.480 all the stuff and show them all the stuff meant give me the confirmation of the things that I already

01:16:01.760 believe right and so now any more information that comes out they're not I don't think that they're

01:16:06.760 going to say oh this I well yeah I don't think people should have believed anything that came out

01:16:10.400 especially like after the binder situation you know I'm one of those people who's going to be

01:16:14.560 skeptical of anything they released because what I was saying earlier it's been through so many hands

01:16:17.600 who knows how it's been modified or completely changed I think we need something bigger I think

01:16:22.300 we need some sort of trials I think we need people to be on the stand talking and interviewed

01:16:26.820 almost like a Nuremberg but for everyone connected to him I don't care if they're innocent or not

01:16:31.480 I think something along that lines I think at this point it's gotten to it's gotten to the point where

01:16:35.920 it's going to take something big but let me just say what do you arrest those people for though

01:16:39.240 I don't honestly it's gonna I mean it's gonna have to depend uh we'll see Bill Gates I mean I could

01:16:45.060 arrest him for trying to kill the son but for in terms of Jeffrey Epstein and it's gonna be tough

01:16:49.160 you know because you're like why are you with these people um and you're gonna say well they

01:16:52.920 can be with whoever they want they charged Trump uh what was the yeah and that and that wasn't right

01:16:58.340 too and it doesn't so but the you're talking about using the justice system to to attack people that

01:17:05.520 you believe have done something without any actual evidence which is exactly what they did

01:17:10.780 okay so here so we think there's a crime so you could commit that was wrong and that was bad

01:17:16.760 it has to be that dramatic go ahead I think I think we need like intelligence people talking

01:17:20.460 on trial I think we need like a full court press conference I want to see guilt galane back on trial

01:17:24.940 like something really big these people were handling him around him let her talk to you know right

01:17:29.760 like I think that would be a good step in the right direction and look don't trust everything she

01:17:33.940 says because she's literally an asset who was groomed by her father who was doing crazy things

01:17:38.840 it's not so you're poisoning I mean but I want to but I do want to point out though what we finish

01:17:43.240 your thought yeah I'll just say like yeah you have to because you're never going to get the full truth

01:17:47.720 you know and we can't trust any institution to give us the full truth but the more they can do to at

01:17:53.240 least try to be better at being transparent yeah and let us be the judge yeah that's all I ask for

01:17:58.520 because you're you have to be skeptical of everything they're telling you uh because they've been lying to us our

01:18:02.260 whole lives you know I'm not going to trust cash and dan because they just do podcasts you know I

01:18:07.120 even if I knew I don't know them but like I'm not just going to blindly trust them not because maybe

01:18:11.080 they are lying to me and they know it but maybe they've just been lied to like what I was saying

01:18:14.800 with trump so yeah I you kind of do have to poison the waters but you also have to demand more

01:18:19.880 transparency and there's a whole bunch of people like galane or bar and I would love to see on trial

01:18:25.820 not trial but on the stand just questioned grilled about all their connections yeah and I want to go

01:18:32.160 back to something that you said just a minute ago you said if you have all of these people who

01:18:37.000 already believed that there was something nefarious going on with Epstein and they have and they thought

01:18:42.180 that that Trump's people are going to get in and take care of it aren't they going to now continue

01:18:46.640 with that bias basically nothing's going to be good enough for them yes you have those people but you

01:18:50.720 also have people like me who did not really give a shit about the Epstein story I mean yeah bad guy

01:18:56.640 whatever I didn't care but now my ears have been perked up just by the mishandling of it and so I

01:19:03.240 think people like me could be placated if the approach were changed I do think there are some who

01:19:08.620 is the messaging really the biggest issue for you because they dropped the investigation into Prince

01:19:13.140 Andrew they fired the process of the was it the top prosecutor for Epstein Maureen Comey was she the

01:19:18.520 top prosecutor though yeah she prosecuted uh Ghislaine Nicholas Tartaglione the guy I was telling you about

01:19:23.560 who's jailed his cell it's not just the messaging that's a disaster like this those actions those

01:19:28.400 moves are really suspect on top of all this the WSJ report now we're getting grand jury testimony

01:19:34.340 something stinks yeah something's rotten in the state of Denmark yeah and and I I think normal

01:19:41.740 people it's it's way too esoteric I think normies to kind of go back to the whole point of this show

01:19:45.940 today right it's too esoteric it's too many details it's too many different directions and maybe that's

01:19:50.340 the goal I think it's to overwhelm it where people like I don't know man yeah part of the reason why

01:19:54.700 I have this sense right now is just look at the chat the chat is excoriating me those are bots that

01:20:02.340 I bought they're excoriating me and and it's like I'm implicated because I did this I'm but those are

01:20:09.120 trolls too I don't think the point the point that I'm making is the only reason people would watch this

01:20:15.900 is because they care about it so the chat's full of people that have a bias and they care about a lot

01:20:22.080 of people like me and people I've talked to who are not so politically invested who did not care much

01:20:28.960 about Epstein but now have been their ire and their curiosity has been aroused and so I do think that

01:20:34.860 there's a whole other layer on top of this and and look again we can't act like the messaging on this

01:20:40.460 has just been inadequate I mean I feel like it's like that scene in Apocalypse Now to quote my

01:20:45.800 favorite movie when you've got Martin Sheen sitting there in front of of Kurtz and Kurtz says to him

01:20:51.460 do you find my methods unsound and Martin Sheen says I don't see any method at all sir that's kind of how

01:20:58.600 I feel right the horror yeah I know I mean people certainly have their confirmation bias and I understand

01:21:06.620 why and I also think like I was saying earlier about this being an indictment on journalism on

01:21:12.440 journalism as a whole because for what in your to your point it's hard to even write about this yeah

01:21:19.200 there's so many moving parts if you want to go down a Robert Maxwell path what happened with the

01:21:23.500 promise scandal the octopus murders which happened in Martinsburg West Virginia really which is about a

01:21:28.260 journalist was looking into the promise scandal and which is about the stolen spyware when Robert

01:21:35.360 Maxwell was a part of that Mossad uh us all this stuff and uh this journalist was starting to like

01:21:41.420 connect the dots and was meeting with a source in Martinsburg and he was the the journalist was

01:21:47.140 saying you know this is he was calling it the octopus it's many tentacle thing right there's all

01:21:51.640 these you know which I like it goes to Kurtz what she was saying about uh Nixon talking about this wild

01:21:56.300 animal right I mean that's what's going on I think behind the curtain of our reality and um the

01:22:02.340 journalist was found with his arms like just slid up real bad they ruled it as a suicide but it was

01:22:08.000 just it was really bizarre when was this I don't remember when it was I don't want to say maybe late

01:22:12.940 90s uh maybe later I'm not sure I think there's a documentary on it um but like that's one path and

01:22:18.740 that's just Robert Maxwell you can go into Pergamon Press you know we were talking earlier about

01:22:22.700 science we're talking about the Epstein thing uh from that show yeah yeah right the expanse

01:22:27.480 they've got what's called the Epstein Drive you can go so then thinking about journalists you can

01:22:31.400 go down the path of like Epstein and science why was he a math teacher why was he part of the

01:22:36.680 Harvard math department talk to Eric Weinstein he's who was part of the Harvard math department he's

01:22:41.520 like why does Epstein know about my research he doesn't know what he's talking about why does he

01:22:45.080 care about like gravity stuff it's bizarre what are you talking about Eric Weinstein Eric Weinstein

01:22:49.640 I he I think he met Epstein once but Epstein like ingratiated himself into the Harvard math department

01:22:56.280 and he and he thought he was like uh gatekeeping uh innovation it's almost like um the plot of

01:23:02.560 catch me if you can't with Epstein like right like he except he I think it's a phony he conned his way

01:23:08.240 to the top and then lived to kind of this degenerate lifestyle but so like there's all these things all

01:23:13.280 these moving parts with this insane story not to mention the most depraved part about the children

01:23:18.040 right but then you know the power play who's it who's you who's he hanging out with

01:23:21.760 Lolita Express all these things you can go lane so it's hard to condense it into a story that

01:23:26.760 makes sense and I think a lot of people also have an issue willing to accept just how evil people are

01:23:32.900 like when I wrote that story about catching those pedophiles with Alex Rosen right in Ohio

01:23:36.860 that was the most evil stuff I'd seen like right in front of me like these guys were straight up

01:23:41.900 demons who were going to go find them they thought they were going to meet 11 year old girl right

01:23:46.280 and you know people were like I appreciate you writing the story but I just can't read it and I

01:23:51.380 totally understood because it's like I it's torture like listening to them talk was literal

01:23:55.780 torture and we could have done that in Ohio for three days non-stop there were so many people on

01:24:01.220 the on that Alex's list to take care of you every few months you hear like a huge bust where they get

01:24:06.140 like a hundred people with human trafficking it just happens like these people are just hanging out

01:24:10.440 Sorteria operation so I think it's Sorteria and Operation Dragon Eye those just happened earlier this year

01:24:15.020 maybe like last month hundreds of kids saved hundreds of pedophiles arrested amazing you know this is in

01:24:20.460 Texas I believe in Florida it's it's it's so prevalent um amongst I think every level of our

01:24:26.620 society that's why I think it's prevalent up top it's prevalent down below like those people we're in

01:24:31.000 Ohio catching just monsters at 7-11 but you know they're politicians as well they're and we know

01:24:36.500 they're in colleges they find their way in churches this is an evil thing this urge that they need to

01:24:41.800 satisfy this bloodlust with this this need to destroy innocence so it's really hard for to be written

01:24:47.520 about and it's really hard to understand and that's why the people who are so-called normies

01:24:52.580 I think they have a hard time really wrapping their heads around all of this and all the

01:24:56.740 conspiratorial stuff that you know I like to get into that's kind of like just the minutiae of it

01:25:00.440 but there's hard evidence of stuff you can talk to it's just a matter of uh figuring out how to how

01:25:06.680 to condense it into something that's palatable I think the average person is latching on to the

01:25:11.380 messaging failure about Epstein rather than what Epstein's actually about like when you're talking

01:25:15.980 Trump doesn't help when he says it's a hoax because I don't think I don't think Trump means

01:25:19.760 the whole thing's a hoax I think he means Trump literally said that the Clintons did it so

01:25:24.480 dude don't definitely not good with his messaging but did he did he but did he mean this is right

01:25:29.300 Trump's messaging needs to get better I mean that's a that's a tough ask I hear what you're saying

01:25:32.640 like your point he's I think he means this list and this fervor over you know whatever's going on

01:25:38.740 with him and people connected is a hoax manufactured outrage right but like there is real things that

01:25:44.080 happened but he's just blurting out it's a hoax and you're like well what do you mean like Russia

01:25:48.700 hoax because that was I think he literally said like Russia yeah he said he did say it's like

01:25:54.340 is your interpretation of him saying that then that he means Epstein everything about Epstein is a

01:26:00.700 hoax even why he was in jail because that's insane I don't know what he means right he needs to say

01:26:07.320 that he needs to say that and I think that what he's doing is just trying to use tactics that

01:26:14.520 have worked in the past it's not looking good no it's not I think it's a mix of that I honestly do

01:26:19.160 think as we talk about this I think the play is confuse the hell out of people say one thing one

01:26:25.800 day say a different thing another day call it a hoax wait say no we have files oh no we don't have

01:26:30.500 files we have a truckload they're on my desk they're not there I think they're you're overwhelming the

01:26:34.620 system I think he's I don't think that's I don't think that I think that's what's happening I don't

01:26:39.000 think it's intentional and I think that it I think Trump doesn't do anything on accident I don't know

01:26:43.580 I think that Trump I think that Trump normally he goes by gut instinct and his instincts have been

01:26:50.260 absolutely phenomenal for the vast majority of his life and I think on this particular topic

01:26:55.820 his instincts are wrong and they're failing him and he doesn't know what to do because his instincts

01:27:02.720 have always served him so well I think they found something that they were not expecting to find

01:27:08.060 that makes it worse in my opinion and I don't think they found a nothing burger and they just

01:27:12.560 want us to move on I think there's something they found they can't talk about right and um you know

01:27:16.760 but the messaging I also do think to Kellan's point that there is a lot of this I don't want to call

01:27:21.600 it strategy and it's not from Trump I think it's Bondi maybe telling people things or baron

01:27:26.580 well yeah I mean he is a time traveler you think he'd be better at it but like why is

01:27:31.260 Bondi saying one thing and Bongino and Cash saying other things oh I know they're in complete

01:27:35.140 conflict and then Cash is on Rogan talking about things Rogan's mentioning like things about the

01:27:40.460 Epstein case that Cash doesn't even know about I'm like dude how like how invested are you in this

01:27:44.380 like these are things that I thought we all knew well I see one of two possibly like either they're

01:27:48.820 just lying they're just lying and they have to admit that they're lying or you guys are telling the

01:27:53.020 truth there's not there's nothing to see here with Epstein but you guys have such disconnect and

01:27:57.280 and and the administration is so dysfunctional where you've got the head of FBI saying one thing

01:28:01.620 and then Pam Bondi saying the opposite there needs to be change I'm not like I am not okay with this

01:28:07.200 if this truly is just like a messaging disaster internally people aren't talking to each other

01:28:11.360 communications breaking down I'm not okay with those people remaining in those positions oh yeah

01:28:16.100 there needs to be change take that take that into the context of the whole administration right

01:28:20.740 you're like this particular issue has been terribly messaged what compare another one what's the point

01:28:26.940 that I'm making is this particular issue has been terribly messaged but if from the administration's

01:28:32.760 perspective they there's like we've done all this other stuff that's been great and all these other

01:28:37.940 things that have fallen right in line with the way we want and all these other things that we promised

01:28:41.920 have happened this one where this one isn't working out the way we wanted should we fire people who've done

01:28:48.060 great in other ways because when has when has the key pieces of the administration been at odds with each other

01:28:53.480 like this I can't remember another example I mean he's he has a history of bad collaborators

01:28:58.360 this this this in the first term this second term though only six months in homie I know but you

01:29:03.800 can't give it time dude there hasn't been another example of like Pam Bondi saying the exact opposite

01:29:09.380 of what Cash Patel is saying or Sean Duffy like what if you're talking about not being just at odds

01:29:14.040 with Trump but with each other dude yeah it's must be chaos you're gonna have to like just buy into

01:29:19.480 my idea that how Epstein is part of the deep state for this to matter uh because that's just how I see

01:29:24.860 this but Trump campaigning on taking down the deep state does matter and it undoes his wins in my

01:29:30.540 opinion because you're then just allowing this machine to keep going and this is the machine that

01:29:35.740 tried destroying Trump violently and with lawfare and that machine is against us right that's what he

01:29:43.820 was campaigning with that meme they're not after me they're after you I'm just in the way right but now

01:29:47.960 it's become it's not me it's you right and it's like wait this is we've all been on this train

01:29:52.620 with the we're trying to obliterate you have to you have to you have to accept the the premise that

01:29:58.200 there is stuff going on yeah and I do all of the things even if there isn't let's say that let's

01:30:03.580 say there isn't because there's two two and hold on to the two points I'm making is there there is

01:30:09.560 error and they have had bad messaging yep or there's actually things going on and the it's not

01:30:17.980 error but it's miscommunication about how to present the information because they're trying

01:30:23.640 to cover up so those are the two the pattern of this country has been that they lie to us and they

01:30:29.440 hurt us at every possible turn that they can whether it's your children or you but are Dan Bongino

01:30:36.380 Kash Patel Donald Trump and Pam Bondi are those four people part of they it's very possible okay

01:30:42.920 it's very possible or they are so afraid that they can't do anything so then what does that mean for

01:30:47.640 my MAGA is there a is there a future for MAGA if they are part of quote-unquote I think that hurt

01:30:53.140 since people are unwilling to accept just how evil it is in the way I see it they will continue to vote

01:30:58.160 MAGA-ish but maybe give up on Trump well Trump I mean he can't do much else now unless he does that

01:31:03.700 third term which I don't think he has we're in it right now but like I don't think people widespread

01:31:09.820 in this country are going to give up their votes because they do believe in MAGA me personally it is

01:31:14.940 super disenfranchising although I've been disenfranchised you know forever with the

01:31:19.180 government and how they treat us but I was I was holding out a little bit of hope for Trump to do

01:31:23.540 what he was saying he was going to do considering how horrible they attacked him all this time with

01:31:28.320 all the lies Obama spied on him right like like it is insane spying on his campaign the lawfare the

01:31:35.140 violence uh throwing his lawyers in jail I mean this has to stop and if he's out and then the left

01:31:40.240 is that activated again which I think they are and they get back in then they just have the reins to

01:31:43.840 the machine again and then it's us all alone once again uh so it's why this is important to me because

01:31:48.600 Epstein is just a facet of the deep state that must be destroyed or exposed like I'm I want to drag

01:31:54.460 the demons into the daylight I know it's a tall ask because there's so many but look at where we are

01:32:00.240 we're watching we're watching him get shot at in Butler all these assassination attempts it this

01:32:05.960 doesn't stop American political violence is an American tradition has been going on since the

01:32:10.940 beginning and it doesn't stop and it's always shrouded in lies like we still don't I just had a

01:32:16.020 guy on the show um the Zapruder film the Zapruder film is a I think a fake right like you can look

01:32:22.240 into that and how the CIA manages the Zapruder film there's so many things we don't know about

01:32:26.460 and like they it's this pretend transparency that they all leak out but it's not because they like

01:32:32.080 what Epstein was doing and like other people like him they handle their handlers to the narrative

01:32:36.900 their handlers to extreme power and their part and they're complicit in destroying this country

01:32:41.740 and feeding off of our suffering and I think on their they need a scapegoat uh unfortunately it's

01:32:47.200 gotten that bad that if someone's not removed or they don't pin the blame at the very least on

01:32:51.340 someone for this messaging disaster because it's they're never going to admit that they lied to us

01:32:55.260 which I think is the likely thing right and then what's the other scenario oh we are bad at

01:33:02.500 communicating with each other we can't give like actual messaging out to the public they can't

01:33:05.980 well you say they can't admit that they've lied to us could they admit that they're that the reason

01:33:10.480 that their messaging has been bad is because there were there were truths that they felt like they did

01:33:15.420 not have to tell us and now they see that they have to like could Trump come out and say well look

01:33:19.320 we were trying to hold this intelligence operation together or do this or this or this or whatever

01:33:23.940 protect innocent people but now now I see that the American people they demand more extensive

01:33:29.080 answers so we're going to give you more I mean that that sounds great but I think that's a fantasy

01:33:33.800 I don't think there's any reality where that I I think you're right I think it would be great but

01:33:37.940 it's not it might matter to a lot of people to your point you talk about they need a scapegoat

01:33:42.480 I do I don't think the scapegoat I don't I don't think that there is any scapegoat that will satisfy

01:33:48.920 because Epstein himself was was supposed to be the architect of all this stuff and he's dead

01:33:56.120 and Ghislaine is in prison now not for the crimes though again like my government like fire bonding or

01:34:02.020 something right my bigger issue is not that the people are contesting the like the Epstein's crimes

01:34:07.280 it's the fact that we don't have the evidence we know it exists and we know they you know so when

01:34:12.980 you say the evidence evidence of what like what is the evidence that you know exists and what

01:34:19.400 hard drives computers calendars what is it planners what are you those are things what is the evidence

01:34:25.940 well well we heard things that are on them that are written this is where it's going to be medium

01:34:30.780 sure but it's like why not just show us that this is where it's good but that's where it gets tough

01:34:35.400 because we were told that FBI took all these videos of people with underage girls from the

01:34:41.880 Manhattan place were we told that or we were we told that he has no video I mean because you can't

01:34:47.860 trust the FBI so again okay we were told that we have been told there's there's video of them

01:34:53.140 hauling out there were cameras in the room boxes what are in the dental chairs you know that that was

01:34:57.600 the story you know so but then you can't release that video because I don't want no no the videos

01:35:02.940 if I understand correctly those videos that you're referring to were videos of public spaces not

01:35:07.460 in the rooms I heard it was part of his uh in in the Manhattan apartment but even still those would

01:35:14.300 have been like they were like in the hallways not in the actual rooms if that is that I don't know I

01:35:17.860 I mean this might be the Mandela effect but I remember like holes in the walls with cameras uh that

01:35:23.380 they reported on but again it's like this whole thing is so misreported it's hard to know but that's how

01:35:27.940 I remember people having uh like a vault of footage of alleged clients for the blackmail

01:35:35.260 what was with the recent I mean there was the recent FBI disclosure right that uh or was the

01:35:39.100 Justice Department that uh prior to this whole controversy that there were a thousand victims

01:35:43.920 they had upped the the number to a thousand so they say you know and and then they and then

01:35:49.140 this is where it gets all crazy because you know someone like Virginia Gouffre who just died

01:35:54.000 she said that Ehud Barak uh abused her of course her credibility here's the this is the other

01:36:00.220 thing that gets complicated Megan Kelly is it was one who's pointed this out uh is that Virginia

01:36:05.220 Gouffre and a number of the other accusers and uh have lied about some things or it's been

01:36:10.760 demonstrated at least that they were dishonest and uh and and this was something that Dershowitz

01:36:14.900 pointed out as well when he's you know when he said that uh there were files that had not been

01:36:19.420 released and it turns out he was talking about evidence of the the duplicity of the accusers right

01:36:25.100 so yeah well Dershowitz I love when he wrote a book defending Bill Clinton and Monica Williams

01:36:29.120 sex scandal and I love when Newsweek cover that story up yeah uh and he's also pals with Epstein too

01:36:35.020 right but that's the I mean that's kind of the point like or this this stuff that we're talking

01:36:40.220 about the there's always there's always more conspiracy there's always you know conspiracies live in

01:36:48.640 the information that we don't have they live in the cracks a lack of transparency exactly and well

01:36:55.120 not just a lack of transparency but as long as someone can say this and this and there's space

01:37:00.380 in between and that is where I'm gonna fill in my my information right but that I think that's the

01:37:05.380 normalcy bias we should have honestly because that's the way this country operates in terms of

01:37:09.500 the way they brainstorm all these ridiculous operations whether it's mind control I mean this is

01:37:15.640 all documented stuff so if you have a normalcy bias your normalcy bias should be rooted in the fact

01:37:20.600 that they are constantly plotting against us operation sea spray bio warfare you know the mk ultra

01:37:26.540 stuff charles manson's ties to cia this is just the norm so like people got mad at me on monday when

01:37:32.760 tim asked you know would you do it if it meant communism would happen which is you know a crazy

01:37:36.860 hypothetical but I said we do it no matter what would you do what did you repeat tim asked me on monday

01:37:42.160 night on irl would you like expose everything with epstein even if that like destabilized the

01:37:48.120 entire country and led to communism to which my reply is to a lot of these angry messages I got

01:37:52.920 the country's already destabilized it's we're already living living under violent tyrants it's just

01:37:58.220 it's just modern barbarism and it doesn't look like what you think of as a pole pot which we did fund

01:38:03.080 carter funded pole pot you know it's like we are violent and insane I had that thought like

01:38:08.040 what esteen died in 2019 yeah was it 2019 is kind of like when the world broke

01:38:13.840 covid I was like what if for some weird effed up reason he epstein in this operation was somehow

01:38:19.780 holding everything to get holding the veil up how many times on how many times on irl have I said I

01:38:24.760 think covid is connected to epstein right I think they shut the world down because of epstein because

01:38:28.680 I think this is deeply yeah I love it he looks surprised every time I say it I told you so many times

01:38:33.620 the timing is crazy dude they shut down the world with a fake virus like this is and they tried

01:38:39.140 lying about us with a bat soup what do you mean by fake virus I mean they they told us we were all

01:38:44.640 gonna die six feet separation lockdown countries it was so fake so so the it was the flu are you

01:38:52.360 saying that covid didn't happen covid was the flu I think I think Shane is saying the response

01:38:58.780 was not appropriate yeah I agree my state locked down Cuomo threw sick people with the flu into

01:39:06.640 nursing homes tens of thousands of people died small businesses totally destroyed okay you know

01:39:12.640 so that's what I'm saying but like I do think that there was a connection between epstein dying that was

01:39:18.140 like when epstein went to jail we were all united for a brief amount of time with the joke of well

01:39:22.760 clinton's gonna get him you know like that was the thing on twitter someone keep him alive right and then

01:39:28.160 sure enough he quote unquote killed himself but I I personally think that this stuff is a deep

01:39:35.000 ancient evil that operates around the whole world and covid was a way to get back at trump and to put

01:39:39.940 everything back in the bottle and everyone was sent home you couldn't work you were forced to do certain

01:39:44.800 things you shouldn't have to do to your body to keep your job especially if you were a cop or uh er you

01:39:49.700 know working in emergency rooms hospitals doctors uh soldiers I that's you know in my crazy opinion but

01:39:56.460 I'm just I'm just an insane it is weird that the world just kind of all went mad in that same one

01:40:00.860 to two year period I mean giant I thought that the world went mad in uh 2012 at the end of the

01:40:05.500 mind calendar well you know I've heard people well y2k or the fall of man I would say your math was a

01:40:10.600 little bit off so you know I think that the also the advancement of technology and social media and

01:40:16.180 stuff in congruence or in conjunction with uh covid like it it does yeah and and on the same thing

01:40:22.560 we were talking about conspiracy theories now you just have access to so much information it used

01:40:26.420 to be 20 years ago even if someone was were more conspiracy minded you had to search out books you

01:40:31.720 had to go to the library uh you had to watch an oliver stone film or whatever right and now it's

01:40:36.000 just you you're you're inundated with it even if you don't want to there's so many times when I'm

01:40:39.700 scrolling on twitter and I think I don't want to read all this crap right now but it's still coming

01:40:43.020 at you right yes it's inescapable but just because people weren't worried about it years ago

01:40:48.400 doesn't mean it wasn't happening you know and I think now we are more attuned to it and but you

01:40:52.540 also have to be very aware of being manipulated by people who want you to go deeper and crazier

01:40:57.460 you know as someone who is you know borderline insane uh like I do have to worry about like

01:41:02.280 everything that might confirm whatever biases I might have and I you know you'll see it whether

01:41:07.000 it's on podcasts mainstream news there's little narratives that are seeded in there that I think

01:41:11.560 are putting we know about operation mockingbird we know the government tries to manipulate the news

01:41:15.620 uh and it's not just ours you know you can look up Yuri Bezmenov talking about how you destabilize

01:41:19.840 an entire nation that's literally what they do uh and we hire them sometimes but Bezmenov was saying

01:41:26.060 that's what communists do to try to we do it here too for sure so Bezmenov's argument was communists

01:41:32.500 want to destabilize western countries so that way communists can take over right why would people that

01:41:39.960 currently control the world control the west say the united states why would they try to destabilize

01:41:48.360 the united states I mean I mean I don't know why because I think uh I think our universities are

01:41:54.060 completely controlled by marxists yeah you know their their idea I guess would be what the marxist

01:42:00.580 dream is to turn it into their idea of a paradise a utopia totally a heaven on earth it's anti-god

01:42:05.580 uh so that is probably part of it but it's it's in my opinion we are living in a weird post world to

01:42:11.920 era where we hired operation paperclip nazis and then they ran our government and and created nasa

01:42:18.640 and then we filled the universities with marxists and they're they're directly opposed right but they're

01:42:24.920 they are in control I think the nazis only went to uh the science department no no I think that

01:42:30.280 the no they did only went into architecture science I think they did a lot at the science

01:42:36.240 department like they worked on rockets and stuff like that I think the communists were were actually

01:42:41.540 far more influential in the government and I think that the and I think part of too what's what's going

01:42:46.000 on with the Epstein with the furor over this is that even if people don't have don't have an

01:42:50.960 allegiance to say all the conspiracy theories that maybe Shane does no offense there still is just a

01:42:55.840 pervasive feeling that there's there's so much going more going on in the world and in our

01:43:00.540 government and so much more evil than we perceive and so all it takes then is something like this

01:43:05.920 where our leaders start behaving in a way that seems completely illogical it's like what is Trump doing

01:43:10.340 why is he attacking his base etc to then make people think well maybe there is something to this idea

01:43:16.000 that uh that there's there's an evil web of connections look at time magazine february 2020 the article

01:43:23.640 about the secret cabal of people who helped to oh yeah the election yeah like that's just one

01:43:28.920 like mainstream example of how corporations influencers politicians all work together Jake

01:43:35.520 Tapper book and Biden right oh yeah that's great too like this is and that's just like upper level

01:43:39.900 surface level stuff you know low hanging fruit yeah uh so that's why my normalcy bias is rooted in

01:43:45.540 that they're always working against us and they're always lying to us Shane do you think that

01:43:49.320 do you if you had to guess yes is that where you're going no I was gonna ask do you there's

01:43:55.320 something up there there is something up there yeah it's just not what we think it is if you if

01:43:58.660 someone put a gun to your head and said you had to say do you think that Trump is covering for

01:44:02.740 himself if you had to guess or do you think I would say no no my gut says no yeah I don't think so

01:44:07.420 I mean I'm inclined the things people could look up online are weird for sure I mean he was with

01:44:12.240 Robert Maxwell but Trump and Robert Maxwell have really like it had some sort of relationship that's

01:44:16.920 weird but I don't think he's can you clarify the question so I'm just asking does he think that

01:44:21.440 this that that Trump's failure here is PR failure failure failure of managing this is is stemming

01:44:28.300 from a place of that that Trump is actually implicated in having sex what does that mean oh

01:44:33.720 so you're having sex with minors I know I don't think that's true like supermodels aware of exactly

01:44:39.320 what Epstein was up to oh yeah I think yes I mean he kicked him out of his floor to have that story

01:44:44.540 come out of Mar-a-Lago I think Trump definitely knows at least has a somewhat understanding of

01:44:50.060 how deep this goes yeah and maybe it's his friends maybe it's stuff maybe it's like Tim's theory maybe

01:44:55.680 it's people that are literally running this country and if you arrest them all shit breaks down he

01:45:00.400 should be okay with arresting them all if he if he found out it's his friends and they are

01:45:04.280 degenerates like that then he should be totally fine with throwing them in prison forever society will

01:45:09.060 go on to this is something I went on Megan McCain's show a week ago and she said it she said

01:45:14.600 people are saying there's there's this idea that if if we released the list or the evidence of people

01:45:21.060 who are implicated then there would be mass hysteria because so many people would be implicated there's

01:45:24.660 not going to be mass hysteria that's like a kind of a narcissistic cop-out you're arguing with a

01:45:27.940 narcissist and they're like don't get mad or anything people know that there are aliens visiting our

01:45:32.420 planet nobody gives a shit you know and so I think life can go on I think the thing is I don't think

01:45:37.700 there are aliens visiting our planet but go ahead you don't actually no we'll have to do another

01:45:41.020 episode on this yeah we have lots of opinions in this room so you completely don't believe in that

01:45:44.380 what I believe there I believe there are aliens I don't think I don't think they're not flying

01:45:47.860 around the sky because the distances are just so so vast you guys are crazy you guys are crazy

01:45:54.980 I've I've seen Adam Schiff in person I know for sure there are aliens in this place but uh but I

01:46:02.440 don't think there will be mass hysteria either they'll probably mass like anger yeah exactly people

01:46:07.540 people like Bill like Bill Gates say he was implicated which it doesn't seem like to you

01:46:11.540 his wife is all but said that he was doing shady shit with Epstein she keeps bringing that up in

01:46:15.960 her like divorce tour she's like Michelle Obama that could be her trying and I hate to even defend

01:46:19.880 Bill Gates but what that is her trying to win over you know public sentiment I'm not a big fan of

01:46:24.520 Melinda either I mean Bill Gates should be sent to the fake moon in my opinion but even let's say

01:46:28.980 people found out though that Bill Gates and people of his ilk were implicated with Epstein and his crimes

01:46:35.120 people would jeer it would be it would be a topic of conversation but nothing's gonna happen it's

01:46:41.240 not gonna destabilize we're not gonna stop buying Microsoft products I mean right and the other sad

01:46:45.100 reality is I feel like that's kind of the kind of like the point like with the whole MAGA stuff that

01:46:50.140 we're talking about right so the you know the question at hand is is Epstein going to fracture MAGA

01:46:55.160 and destroy it like people hate on Bill Gates they think that he's trying to change the weather

01:47:00.020 buy farmland yes and try to let me get through this I'm sorry Phil but he is just just I I know

01:47:08.320 I know hyperactive child I know I know you're like get excited over the table nothing jump over the

01:47:12.980 table the point that I'm making is like everybody there's so many people that have so many things

01:47:17.780 to say about Bill Gates and people in positions of power but they're still buying Microsoft stuff

01:47:20.920 they're still they're still living their lives because the most important thing to people

01:47:27.080 are their own lives and whereas they'll go ahead and watch this stuff and they'll watch the show and

01:47:31.960 they'll say look this matters to me and they'll jump in the chat and they'll be all all kinds of

01:47:35.740 vocal and stuff at the end of the day this is why I think that the economy is what is the most important

01:47:41.120 thing when it comes to voting at the end of the day the things that affect people's wallets their

01:47:46.440 immediate family and their lives are the things that motivate them to actually go and vote what I think I

01:47:52.980 think you're right I think the short-term consequences will get the people voting but my

01:47:57.500 worry is the long-term consequences of this invisible sinister network running the country

01:48:02.980 and my children and their children inheriting that world but then on top of that which is not I'm not

01:48:08.460 I don't believe in black pills but I do think you get rid of but I don't believe in black pills

01:48:14.620 you've been doling out black pills all day black pills all day no no I those are white pills because

01:48:20.860 I understand them it's just reality there are interdimensional vampire demons that are running

01:48:25.200 our country and trying so glad I know that's a white it's a black pill if you don't if you don't know

01:48:29.260 that that's happening uh and I also have I also have faith in Christ and that is my white pill but

01:48:33.960 like all right so but but that is a white pill like that is a white so like the evil to me is is

01:48:40.060 defeatable but on this fallen planet you know you get rid of Epstein whoever's controlling him

01:48:45.300 there's always gonna it's like a Pez dispenser another one's gonna pop up uh but we I that's

01:48:49.940 why I think these are white pills to understand how nefarious all of this is and uh you know I'm

01:48:56.040 not gonna change the world or you know defeat it but I think everyone talking about it does help

01:49:01.700 uh because these people go to great lengths to shut you up right people who investigate these things

01:49:06.880 whether it's Maxwell himself implicated with the promise scandal Epstein whatever happened with

01:49:12.640 him the people looking into something like the Franklin scandal which was a horrible thing with

01:49:17.000 children they will come after you you're threatened Vanity Fair in 2002 people in the chat are

01:49:22.260 threatening me right now bro guys don't do that I did not pay for the bots to threaten you

01:49:26.840 that's that was an extra amount about I'm not following because I'm because I'm because I'm

01:49:30.760 playing devil's advocate no that's good the fact that I would chat is totally energized on the on on the

01:49:35.620 anti-Trump narrative right well they're they're just they're they believe well jet nine I'm not

01:49:40.180 going to say they because there's different who's they there are people that's exactly what I'm talking

01:49:46.020 about um who's they though um that that's yeah but the point is like people really do get animated

01:49:54.340 about this stuff and and get upset especially well that's what happens when you're called a weakling by

01:49:58.740 a man that you have supported I didn't call anyone a weakling I'm talking about Trump though I'm saying

01:50:03.080 well okay but they think you're speaking I think you're they think you're coming off as naive even

01:50:06.640 though it's on purpose for the sake of the conversation yeah I mean exactly but I think

01:50:10.500 the thing is if you if you but this is part of my point if you don't confirm people's biases

01:50:16.100 they get upset right and I think that I think no matter what Donald Trump and the administration

01:50:23.020 release people are not going to like it and they're going to be upset when it comes to the

01:50:28.940 committed people that already believe and I think that this whole conversation all of the stuff we're

01:50:33.840 talking about people have their opinion they believe whatever it may be and that is not going

01:50:40.600 to change no matter what the administration says no matter how Donald and and this is not to say

01:50:45.940 that the administration has handled this well because I think they've blown it as as badly as

01:50:50.700 they possibly could this is the worst handled topic that they have throughout both of his

01:50:55.720 presidencies right so his first administration and second this is the worst they've performed

01:51:01.220 and I think that but even in spite of that or with that taken into account people are not going to be

01:51:07.100 satisfied because the two things that they the two things that that animate people the most are the the idea

01:51:16.080 that Israel controls the United States and Epstein is the key to that right and then that Epstein was a

01:51:23.620 child trafficker and he's hurt children and there are other people involved that hurt children those

01:51:28.600 two things animate people more than you know most other topics going to matter it'll matter for some

01:51:34.960 for people when it matters like everyone like when Trump was running for the second term everyone knew

01:51:39.400 his life was in danger but when at uh Butler PA when that shot rang out people were like holy shit

01:51:45.880 you knew it was always a possibility but when that happened you're like oh my god so I think the same

01:51:51.220 thing if they release a smoking gun that implicates someone uh you know take your pick and people

01:51:56.900 like holy shit he was doing that on the island or he was doing that with it I think that's when

01:52:00.880 people would be like okay now this this is real it's in front of me now people are actually they're

01:52:05.880 not just pissed now they're energized now they're motivated I mean I would like to see it I would

01:52:10.140 like to I don't know if it exists and also again like it's not a it's it's not a homogenous group

01:52:15.280 of people that have an issue right now with the way Trump the administration is handling this yes

01:52:19.540 there are some people who are super energized on the Israel stuff and all that I'm not one of those

01:52:23.380 but there are also I I think a lot of people like me who again are not super invest invested in some

01:52:29.980 of these narratives but who have just found Trump's behavior and his administration's behavior and their

01:52:35.260 PR so inexplicable and so obnoxious that we're riled up I think that I could be pacified if the PR

01:52:43.440 strategy changed I really do if Trump were to come out and do like a full court press conference and he

01:52:48.460 had Bondi and Patel and Kat and and Bongino standing up there with him and he got real with

01:52:54.160 the American people and dropped the snark and the anger and the condescension I do think it could

01:52:59.040 have an effect I'd be happy if they got rid of the IRS while the ATF Candace Owens mentioned that

01:53:05.160 just take out the income get rid of the Federal Reserve and all those that would be great to go away

01:53:10.040 all the things everybody talks about like get rid of this administration or this organization this

01:53:14.120 this bureaucracy that bureaucracy get rid of the Fed and they all go away 100 percent what's the

01:53:18.360 consensus Epstein kind of matters to normies did you guys say that's fair no no Epstein doesn't to

01:53:25.380 to the average person that's not politically you know politically involved and not even just

01:53:31.280 politically involved remember because like this kind of stuff is kind of a niche thing like but the

01:53:36.320 average the average person it doesn't matter the PA the most people that watch you know that are they

01:53:42.780 would consider themselves normies that are into normal politics this is a tertiary topic to them

01:53:49.600 and and for the very very emotionally invested and committed minority it's something that they're

01:53:58.040 probably never I disagree I think I agree with you about how it's not it might not change people's

01:54:03.600 votes but I disagree that people even normies however you wanted to find that care deeply about it even

01:54:12.320 on a surface level even though they don't know anything beyond the story of Epstein being in jail for

01:54:17.480 trafficking or Ghislaine being in jail for trafficking as well I think they're like this is emblematic of

01:54:23.020 something that's horrible I mean so many people have been abused as a child you know this is something

01:54:28.260 that unfortunately a ton of people can relate to you were talking about just hundreds of children

01:54:32.060 rescued just like in the past few months and that's just two operations I think people see Epstein as

01:54:38.420 some sort of face to something much bigger not into maybe the sense I'm talking about big like the

01:54:43.460 deep state and visual invisible network of things it's like a signifier of something of something

01:54:48.400 larger than I think they can't let that go I don't think it'll change many votes maybe it will we'll

01:54:52.220 see how things are gonna I think we're far from done from this story but I think people do really

01:54:57.740 care the other thing too is that it also maybe it has less of an effect on the faithful so to speak or

01:55:04.400 MAGA but but there are also a lot of moderates who take from to some degree I think take cues

01:55:10.860 from MAGA in other words like well look even even now Trump's people are thinking he's corrupt even

01:55:17.820 Trump's fans are turning on him there must be something here and so I have friends who are not

01:55:22.080 Republicans they're not conservatives they're not right-wingers they're not Trump supporters but they

01:55:26.540 could perhaps be induced to vote for him if they you know if the alternative was not to their taste

01:55:32.180 but they're looking at this and they're like wow even his base is turning on him his base thinks

01:55:36.440 that he might have had sex with minors and stuff this is you know I think it could have an effect

01:55:40.780 you know Phil always go ahead a friend of mine just text me and uh and his name will we'll keep his

01:55:45.620 name out of this but he's he straight up said I honestly can tell you that if I asked my brother

01:55:49.620 who Jeffrey Epstein was he would look at me with a deer in a headlights look and he's as average

01:55:54.580 an American as you can get I think we need to ask him who Jeffrey Epstein is we need to come from that

01:55:58.700 I have so many different experiences and I know I talked a lot of different types of people but

01:56:02.180 like I do have normal people in my life I don't talk to you about the moon or other things that

01:56:06.260 certainly care that's because they would stop talking to you a week ago they care more about

01:56:11.360 me voting for Trump than I they probably care about me not thinking we could go and I agree with your

01:56:15.620 friends uh take on it but when Shane Gillis got up there at the ESPYs in front of the Nash the whole

01:56:21.520 country that changes their vase at the uh that changes I think that the the jokes that Shane Gillis

01:56:27.220 first of all they were great it was hilarious but second of all I think that that Epstein like

01:56:31.680 the the phrase Epstein didn't kill himself is a meme more than anything else and I think that and

01:56:38.920 it is a an allegory for you can't believe what the government says which that is a general consensus

01:56:46.380 with the American people most people are kind of like wow you know the government lies everybody

01:56:49.460 kind of has that kind of idea and so I think that the the jokes that Shane Gillis were making

01:56:54.740 or was making I think those tap into that sentiment yeah but but it is I would say but

01:56:59.760 I would say that it's it is a highly charged signifier and it's becoming increasingly so for

01:57:05.360 a larger idea of of corruption of high of of our leaders and the elite being held to different

01:57:13.380 standards than we are and and and of all these things and it's just going to become more and more

01:57:17.960 highly charged until I feel like Trump tries to to deal with this so I don't know that's my opinion

01:57:23.360 I don't think that Trump can can diffuse it because I don't think so either and I and the

01:57:27.760 reason I think that he can is because is because just a confirmation well and perhaps and and I think

01:57:33.260 that perhaps maybe he could have diffused it like I said better if he had tackled this or it had a

01:57:37.600 better approach early on but he is he is in danger of falling into a kind of a PR death spiral

01:57:42.220 I just want to see trials I want to see people close to Epstein get on the stand and talk about it at

01:57:49.360 length and be grilled about it no one's ever talked to Lex Wessner about why Epstein was given

01:57:54.660 so much power she wants to talk it's yeah let her talk I mean be skeptical of everything these people

01:57:59.860 are saying uh but like why hasn't anyone talked to Lex Wessner I want to know I when you mentioned

01:58:05.500 Lex Wessner like I want more people to look into where Epstein was getting his money where the money

01:58:11.460 you know the the why was he a billionaire that's a great point that's a great point and this is another

01:58:15.920 angle and why this is so deranged what the judge looking into this strange money the reason I say

01:58:21.640 yeah yeah the reason I say that stuff is because the amounts of money that Jeff Epstein was was spending

01:58:27.960 and stuff you can't hide that that isn't some it's not like you you these kind of there there are

01:58:33.660 financial statements there are definitely people that have given him that kind of money that there's

01:58:38.580 financing from banks all of that stuff is you know it's all um it can all be what's the word I'm

01:58:44.780 looking for they can all be subpoenaed and it can all be be brought to light possibly for you I'm not

01:58:50.160 sure the details but all of that information can be brought to light I don't know why there aren't

01:58:55.700 journalists and and people even people that are in the that would be in the quote-unquote conspiracy

01:59:01.040 space why aren't they go doing everything they can to get every bit of information about how the who

01:59:06.880 was giving money to Epstein I mean there are some things you could look up like the Lex Wessner stuff

01:59:11.700 like why I mean Lex Wessner gave him power of attorney for 16 years so I was going to say in

01:59:17.500 this bio that I read in Vanity Fair from 2003 or whatever it was it got into this and apparently

01:59:22.580 now this could just be uh propaganda but apparently originally Epstein made his money by performing a

01:59:29.560 service for billionaires where he specialized in getting the billionaire's financial house in order

01:59:35.660 in other words what he what he says in this article is that as people acquire more wealth

01:59:39.960 they tend to do it in a sort of um a sort of disorganized fashion it's like you start off

01:59:45.260 with a small house and then you keep adding on to it and you've got all this like kind of random stuff

01:59:49.000 here and there and so he specialized in sort of taking all of the disparate aspects of some of a

01:59:54.040 billionaire's financial matrix and sort of bringing it into line now that could just be bs I know we're

01:59:58.740 running out of time quickly I just want to say two things real quick once one thing about the

02:00:01.540 Vanity Fair thing I think that's a completely compromised article you know when they were talking

02:00:05.620 when when that writer um what's her name Carter uh she was looking into him and seeing all these

02:00:11.160 connections and then finding about the allegations he threatened Vanity Fair Epstein threatened Vanity

02:00:15.900 Fair there was a decapitated cat and a bullet left outside of Graydon Carter's apartment who was

02:00:20.800 running Vanity Fair they totally took out everything bad like really bad from the article killed that

02:00:26.540 story so you know that's bizarre that's huge that's conduitized right and then and then what Phil's

02:00:32.000 talking about with the money and finding that there was an investigation to that was in the courts

02:00:36.000 they were looking into his Deutsche Bank whatever's going on there someone showed up to that house of

02:00:40.380 that judge dressed as a FedEx employee and assassinated her son you know that's what I'm saying like

02:00:45.880 you get close to this thing they take your life or they destroy you in other ways and it's not

02:00:50.440 everyone because like look there's a billion podcasts talking about all the time but yeah yeah all right

02:00:54.060 well so um Colonel Kurtz do you have any last thoughts or anything on this just uh I'm glad that this

02:01:01.220 this went better than my last visit here when I had to hold my hand over my eye the whole time I

02:01:05.900 scratched my eye and it was yes yes much better so everybody I uh I'm glad to be here and yes the

02:01:11.920 the shirt is a joke y'all it's just some satire don't crucify me over it uh but check out my channel

02:01:16.780 I'm on all platforms Colonel Kurtz 99 I focus mostly on me too hoaxes but I get into politics

02:01:21.600 philosophy all kinds of stuff I've had Kurtz on my show we've had great conversations I've been on

02:01:27.560 your show a bunch love talking to you it's always fun um this is fun thank you guys I'm glad my bots

02:01:32.860 were going on no I'm just kidding Phil I did not do that uh you can find me at inverted world live

02:01:37.460 on YouTube and rumble every night Monday through Thursday at 10 o'clock uh Eastern p.m eastern time

02:01:43.320 again last night we had a great conversation with six seven Kevin and his documentary that's coming out

02:01:48.680 on this channel on rumble on Monday it's incredible so find me there you can find me at

02:01:54.620 Shane Cashman everywhere else online um yeah I will second that uh documentary maybe we were

02:01:59.720 talking about Epstein all the human trafficking it it hasn't gone away with Epstein it's still

02:02:04.380 very much a problem when it comes to mass migration to the United States that gets touched

02:02:08.780 on in the documentary um rumble 6 p.m on this channel you can watch it 6 p.m on Monday watch the

02:02:15.720 documentary my name is Kellen you guys can follow me at Kellen PDL thank you guys for having me on

02:02:19.640 the panel today shout out Tate for producing um yeah thanks guys I am uh Phil that remains on

02:02:26.200 Twix you can send me all of your upset tweets there uh and make sure that you I appreciate

02:02:31.960 you doing such a great this is so much fun make sure that you all come back right here tonight

02:02:38.780 at 8 p.m for Timcast IRL live I will be hosting because Tim is away uh doing personal things but

02:02:46.800 we would love to have you so until then we'll see you later

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - July 19, 2025

Epstein Scandal WON'T GO AWAY, Does Epstein MATTER To MAGA？ w⧸ Colonel Kurtz & Shane Cashman

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