The Culture War - Tim Pool - Epstein Scandal WON'T GO AWAY, Does Epstein MATTER To MAGA？ w⧸ Colonel Kurtz & Shane Cashman

00:00:00.000 topic of conversation on the left and the right for the better part of well I mean honestly for

00:00:06.200 the better part of four or five years now and uh today we're here to answer the question does

00:00:11.720 Epstein matter to MAGA is this really an important topic or is this just something that's juicy

00:00:17.340 that people love to glob onto because of all the salacious parts of it and because of all

00:00:23.020 the implications with uh foreign influence and stuff so we're going to get into that today and

00:00:29.280 to talk about that we have Colonel Kurtz what's up hi everybody tell everybody who you are so I have

00:00:36.740 a podcast a YouTube channel I go my handle is Colonel Kurtz 99 I'm on Instagram and Facebook

00:00:43.460 and Twitter and YouTube and I talk about pop culture politics whole range of things awesome

00:00:49.560 thank you we also have Shane Cashman from IWL that's right I'm happy to be here last night

00:00:55.220 we filmed one of our best episodes I think yet we had six seven Kevin on who's got a documentary

00:01:00.700 coming out on Tim's rumble channel I think on Monday about death cults I think it was in Panama

00:01:06.380 and Mexico insane stories the things he saw are wild I think it's very important so I'm looking

00:01:11.480 forward to that we also talked about how Area 51's on fire actually on fire uh all around it yeah

00:01:16.600 oh yes the gothic fire yeah the big uh it's the north uh rim of the the canyon right so all those

00:01:23.540 like Lockheed Martin paints from their stealth fighters are now burning into the atmosphere

00:01:28.220 they'll be here soon uh and hey Kellen Kellen's here what's up everybody um yeah I'm usually behind

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00:02:14.800 possible all right so uh why don't we just jump right into it um I know that uh there are different

00:02:22.380 opinions on how important Epstein is I personally think that the what you call the normie voter uh this

00:02:30.920 doesn't really register with them I think that there are very committed small vocal groups that believe

00:02:38.360 different things about what Epstein was doing and what it means for not only U.S. politics but global

00:02:46.160 politics I know there are people that believe that there were crimes that were committed that are

00:02:52.040 that were not exposed when Jeffrey Epstein was arrested and Ghislaine Maxwell well it was tried and stuff

00:02:58.380 um but I'm interested to hear you know what you guys think about what it means for

00:03:04.860 MAGA and also what it means for the future of not just the Republican Party but also for the

00:03:13.220 the U.S. as a whole so why don't you start off conference so I think there's probably going to be a

00:03:18.260 kind of a delayed effect with this I think a lot of voters and people in MAGA are sort of hanging back

00:03:24.820 and waiting to see if there's any there there here after all or if this is just another you know

00:03:29.220 fake news uh story as Trump has been trying to sell it but I think that Trump seems to me

00:03:37.460 I I know a lot of people say oh well he's he's always a little unhinged or he's always kind of

00:03:42.400 uh off message or what have you but he seems like he has really been flailing to me on this in a way

00:03:48.740 that I've not seen since COVID and to me there's just a qualitative difference that that truth social

00:03:55.960 post from several days ago when he was calling those of us who are interested in this subject

00:04:00.760 weaklings I thought it was just astounding and again even for him off message unhinged and he

00:04:07.220 gives the impression that he's hiding something I'm not saying that he is but he gives the impression

00:04:12.100 that he is or at the very least that he's he's very uncomfortable with this line of thought for some

00:04:16.920 reason so what I think is that right now there are a lot of people a lot of Trump supporters MAGA

00:04:21.640 people who are holding back and are sort of reserving judgment but I do think that over time

00:04:27.200 there's going to be a cost to this if it is not resolved in in some way if people don't get answers

00:04:33.400 if there are not files released and and and by the way the release if if anything is released by Pan

00:04:40.400 Bondi it can't just be some little trickle of something I know Trump said okay we're going to

00:04:45.000 release the grand jury he wants the grand jury testimony released okay which grand jury testimony

00:04:48.900 what is the extent of that you know he said well if he and he kind of qualified it right he said

00:04:53.440 he wants it released if it's if it's what credible or okay well that sounds like lawyers speak to me

00:04:58.720 in a way so I know that there have been polls showing that Trump's support has not eroded that

00:05:04.020 in fact he has his support has gone up but I think that there's probably a delayed effect with this I

00:05:09.700 think that this could be a kind of a an Achilles heel situation for him but we will see I agree I

00:05:15.640 agree I think this is the first time we've seen him lose his confidence and instinct and I think

00:05:21.200 he's surrounded by people who are handling him so that I want to push back on that I'm gonna I'm

00:05:25.920 gonna end up playing devil's advocate yeah perfect um but I think that Trump's response is frustration

00:05:33.600 or or what would you say to people that say Trump's response is frustration because outside of the

00:05:40.760 Epstein debacle which they handled I agree they handled poorly and and it makes sense that people

00:05:46.260 are questioning but outside of that Donald Trump has had success after success after success after

00:05:52.600 success and currently all people want to talk about is the Epstein stuff and it's gotten to the point

00:06:00.600 where it's not just people that are in the weeds politically it's people that are cons that would

00:06:07.840 consider you'd consider normies and and as a an example so there's this show called two-way which

00:06:15.200 is Mark Halperin and um Sean Spicer's on it Dan Turin is on it they're very normie politicos you see it on

00:06:24.180 the um the the New York Times their podcast daily they they have to talk about it and these are outlets that

00:06:31.240 generally would avoid this topic but because there's so much heat around it they're you know

00:06:37.720 forced to talk about it and again Trump has had so many things that have gone so well for him since

00:06:44.100 the election what would you say to people that say well look if if you were the president and had done

00:06:48.740 all these things and you had all this great stuff with immigration having so much success and you just

00:06:52.760 got the doge cuts actually codified and you had you got the big bill and you got all this what would

00:06:57.980 you say to people that say he's just frustrated with with the fact that people are focusing on this

00:07:02.780 Epstein thing as opposed to all this all of his success he might be just frustrated it may be that

00:07:08.320 there's no there there in terms of uh of his he's not hiding some dark history or anything with this

00:07:13.780 but he needs to wake the f up as the family show he needs to wake the f up because human nature

00:07:19.760 is such that people like tabloid stuff they like red meat there's something about this Epstein thing

00:07:26.040 that is captivating to people and so you know it's it's kind of to me it kind of it's kind of like

00:07:31.700 people bemoaning tabloid culture oh why do people care so much about Blake Lively and this kind of

00:07:36.840 thing when there's so many more important serious issues well well I think welcome to the modern age

00:07:41.560 it's way beyond all that though and all the things people carry about care about which we should care

00:07:45.000 about immigration economy all those things the Epstein story and stories like Epstein is the nucleus of

00:07:51.680 all those problems like these are people who are in our government in our country who are beholden to

00:08:00.340 people like this you know and this is not like a unique thing to Epstein this is and real quick

00:08:04.300 Trump ran on literally obliterating the deep state agenda 47 was to destroy the deep state the deep

00:08:11.240 state is an invisible network of DOJ CIA FBI Mossad five eyes you name it that's all the people it's not

00:08:17.700 just one boogeyman it's all over the world and Epstein is a symbol of that deep state we watched

00:08:23.700 as a world them shoot at Trump's head like we're watching JFK level conspiracies play out in real

00:08:29.780 time the Epstein thing like I said is a nucleus of all of these issues because we are now as taxpayers

00:08:36.200 funding our own destruction over the years like why are our politicians making certain decisions that are

00:08:41.320 completely against our best interests so your take is that when people are talking about the deep state

00:08:47.480 they're talking about things like espionage and intelligence agencies as opposed to the deep state being

00:08:55.980 the entrenched bureaucracy because in my part of it the reason I ask is it's my opinion that the deep

00:09:03.220 state is less about intelligence assets and more about people that work in government and they want to

00:09:14.020 make sure that they can continue making their car payments they're unelected they have jobs GS-15s or

00:09:21.260 whatever they want to continue making their payments on their mortgage they want to continue making their

00:09:25.360 payments on their cars they want to make sure that their kids can still go to school and so that

00:09:30.040 entrenched bureaucracy is interested in keeping the status quo not because there's some massive

00:09:37.520 conspiracy based in international espionage but it's people that are like no I just want to make sure

00:09:46.520 that my pension is taken care of and I'm going to keep doing I want to make sure that we can keep doing

00:09:51.160 what we're doing so that way I keep my lifestyle but those people want a status quo and the status quo is

00:09:58.820 actually a weaponized government against the American people for decades at least a century and they haven't

00:10:05.460 been working in our best interest those people who are unelected bureaucrats want to maintain power

00:10:08.980 and the quote-unquote status quo for people who believe in like a the normal world but the world's

00:10:13.160 not normal it's been weaponized against us for ages and even Epstein is just one facet of that and even

00:10:18.700 people who may not have a conspiratorial worldview or who may not be as interested in the things that

00:10:23.660 you're talking about right now most people still have a fear or a suspicion that there are shadowy

00:10:30.300 things going on in our government and even non-conspiratorial people and this Epstein thing

00:10:37.040 look most people draw a hard line at abuse of children and of course I know that there's uh in

00:10:42.660 some of these discussions there's some gray area about okay we're really talking about children are

00:10:46.400 we talking about young women you know there's the and and and there have been claims that for the most

00:10:51.320 part Epstein actually was into just barely of age women either way it's sick people don't people don't

00:10:57.040 make those distinctions people people have have put Epstein firmly in the category of a sicko and

00:11:03.800 so like little girls with braces exactly and I saw that private investigator talked about that that

00:11:08.920 as soon he investigated Epstein and as soon as the girls were out of braces and he wasn't really

00:11:13.040 interested in them I don't know the truth totally who who does about Epstein but this the problem is

00:11:19.480 that there's so many people in on Trump's side in his administration even Donald Trump Jr. as you know

00:11:25.060 who up until just recently J.D. Vance up until just recently were touting this as a significant

00:11:29.720 issue that needed to be exposed and now all of a sudden it's there's nothing to see here guys he's

00:11:34.940 deeply entrenched in our government I mean he was hired the martyr made just that guy uh Cooper did

00:11:41.220 the Tucker thing and he went over this and it's factual you know Whitney Webb has also talked about

00:11:45.100 Ryan Dawson all those people have talked about this it's true Epstein was a young Cooper union dropout

00:11:50.340 who was hired at like 21 high working at the Dalton school hired by Donald Barr whose son would

00:11:56.320 eventually oversee him being imprisoned under Trump you know it's bizarre stuff you can get way more

00:12:00.980 conspiratorial right in terms of the books he wrote about sex trafficking aliens a year before hiring

00:12:06.680 who wrote those books Donald Barr space relations for people that are watching Donald Barr is Bill

00:12:12.340 Barr's father yes our former attorney general yes yeah okay uh so there's like weird connections there

00:12:17.380 and then is that a connection no hold on a second yes is that a connection definitely his father

00:12:21.740 yes Bill Barr's father wrote a book that was weird and then Bill Barr no you're missing a step

00:12:29.400 Donald Barr wrote a book published in 73 called space relations about ants and aliens that had

00:12:37.520 themes of trafficking okay a year later Donald Barr hired Jeffrey Epstein to work as a math teacher at

00:12:44.820 the Dalton school you know and Donald Barr was in the OSS with CIA connections so but this is this

00:12:50.540 is all this stuff you're talking about this is all circumstantial and that's all that's all real no

00:12:54.120 I'm not saying it's not real right but it's circumstantial yeah but I think you can't deny these strange

00:12:58.240 connections like you know I don't believe in coincidences and the fact that this guy is involved in

00:13:02.840 those people with those people's lives in CIA intelligence like like I said all of them across the world

00:13:08.320 that is an indictment on on who this guy is the people he was running with okay I mean it's crazy that he was

00:13:14.200 born on inauguration day the day Eisenhower was inaugurated and he's entrenched himself that is

00:13:19.720 that is just a coincidence that has no it's not no because I think he was I don't have to get into

00:13:24.540 it now but he was a complete cutout created by people to take over our country uh and not him

00:13:30.100 alone the fact that he was born on a certain day yes January 20th is the day all of our all of our

00:13:35.500 presidents are inaugurated and now we have people writing like Whitney Webb writing books about one

00:13:39.120 nation under blackmail it's weird I think he's a complete cutout used to destroy the country okay

00:13:43.900 and these people run in symbolism right like I think that stuff is it matters I think it does

00:13:48.200 clearly I'm going to be the skeptic today well that's that's perfect let's say that your average

00:13:52.100 person it does not understand or does is not aware of the layers of the possible layers that's

00:13:57.880 that's minutia but let's say that they're not they still have there is still a kind of an

00:14:02.280 accumulative effect of all of the the negative mysterious horrible things that people have

00:14:08.460 heard about Epstein and by the way things that have been confirmed I mean this man I mean even

00:14:12.220 Dan Bongino before he became FBI director as you know deputy FBI director uh he was talking about how

00:14:18.600 he he knew people in uh the deep state who've said yeah he's an intelligence asset this is something

00:14:23.620 that even Acosta cited as a reason why he couldn't adequately prosecute him in Florida so it's not what

00:14:29.360 I'm saying is this is not just some far out like diddy thing you know I don't believe there was a

00:14:34.540 conspiracy with diddy I think that was just a part I know y'all disagree some of you but I think that

00:14:38.400 was just a kinky guy who who had something going on with some escorts and with his his girlfriends

00:14:44.360 right this is different this is not this is this is not just conspiracy theories this is something

00:14:49.160 that has been extensively like litigated through the court system yeah and like that stuff with the

00:14:54.120 what I'm saying with Donald Barr it's weird and it's the minutiae but then that guy evolves

00:14:58.620 into someone who is in the upper echelons of societies around the world you know his dealings

00:15:03.920 with Lex Wessner like why he became power attorney of that guy this guy who was you know Victoria's

00:15:07.960 Secret Bed Bath & Beyond you know why is this guy running with arms dealers why is he friends with

00:15:12.700 all these people from Bill Gates to Bill Clinton you know uh and then the things that make it even

00:15:17.840 weirder are that Ghislaine Maxwell's connections you know her father was Robert Maxwell I was saying this

00:15:22.960 on IRL on Monday Robert Maxwell is a strange dude he had clear connections to the Mossad it wasn't

00:15:28.480 maybe not Mossad but they were a part of a big scandal the promise scandal with stolen spyware

00:15:33.380 that was used against Americans in other countries and he died mysteriously and Robert Maxwell was like

00:15:38.440 a Murdoch competitor right he owned Pergamon Press big dude with a lot of connections and it's just

00:15:44.240 I don't think we can overlook how these powerful people get entrenched in our societies and have a

00:15:50.720 major effect on everything so like what I was saying earlier economics you know the wall immigration

00:15:56.100 all this stuff I think is a part of the larger the tentacled monster that these people want to

00:16:03.160 maintain control for their own good and uh and honestly I think is to destroy us that's I think

00:16:09.820 they feed off human suffering like legit these people are demonic who who is trying to destroy

00:16:14.200 like so uh deep state in your mind what is that well I think they're a satanic cabal you know just

00:16:19.440 like a bunch of literal demons from hell who want to feed off human suffering like a multinational

00:16:23.780 like corporation yeah I don't know about a corporation it's beyond this I mean straight up

00:16:29.100 demons from hell you're gonna you're gonna make me go spin out of control whenever we have we do

00:16:32.980 have like hard factual stuff to talk about but like I I legitimately personally believe that this

00:16:37.880 is an ancient strain of evil that has been on earth since the fall of man and they are here to

00:16:42.520 feed off human suffering and they do that by hurting all of us while also destroying children and

00:16:47.420 innocence the reason I ask is how how if Epstein doesn't matter the normies right if the average

00:16:53.140 person's like dude the guy's dead I thought this is settled right how do you get through to them

00:16:57.640 so the people who don't how do you put this demonic organization I first of all think I think I think

00:17:03.460 people do care more I think than we understand like he's the butt of every joke all over the place

00:17:09.260 for years I talk to people polls are fake but there's a lag why are we gonna why are we gonna talk

00:17:15.180 to CNN about polls you can't just say well the actual evidence that you're presenting is just

00:17:22.240 fake but you should totally believe that it matters that he was born on the 20th of June like come on

00:17:28.040 well because because on the polls but the polls I think are always lying to us about this stuff this

00:17:33.360 is stuff that's on like on record legit throughout history and like I said I do believe in the symbols

00:17:38.160 of all these things I think these people are created by monsters to overtake us symbolism not

00:17:42.360 symbology correct uh I guess yeah I mean just making it yeah yeah uh but like the thing about

00:17:48.040 normies not believing in I think is an indictment on journalism's unwillingness to take this case

00:17:54.540 seriously like looking beyond just the crimes because I think it goes deeper than you know

00:17:59.960 children being hurt is horrendous but this is a thing this is a pattern in our country and the world

00:18:05.740 for I mean forever you know we have major people you could look at the Franklin scandal you could

00:18:11.040 look at uh Michael Aquino all these people I agree with you that this is and this is something that

00:18:15.540 I said on IRL the other day um this kind of abuse from powerful people abuse of other people that are

00:18:23.120 less powerful that I mean the reason that we have the word sadism is because of what the sod was his name

00:18:30.540 right yeah so he was a French guy literally just enjoyed hurting people he was you know and people

00:18:37.680 in power if they are malevolent and if they actually have evil intentions which I don't dispute right there

00:18:45.180 are people that are like that um I don't think that that this is unique to our time no or that it's

00:18:54.940 something that is unique to a certain group of people I do think that there are powerful people

00:19:00.780 that are actually uh that are actually good people that are actually trying to do do good but clearly

00:19:08.300 there are absolutely powerful people that are I mean for lack of a better term evil that actually want

00:19:15.380 to hurt people I just don't know that the existence of those people means that we have

00:19:24.100 the ability to to just point to people and say well because you're in the elite you are these people

00:19:30.880 well I think and I think that's that's what people are there's a lot of people that get wrapped up in

00:19:34.440 that right in the whole well they're the elite that means they're definitely bad yeah there and I

00:19:39.180 think there are there are several levels of this too let even even if we were putting aside

00:19:43.420 quote-unquote conspiracy theories about you know world paradigms there just look at the the way that

00:19:50.080 this has been mishandled pr wise by trump I mean there have been so many no pushback for me so many

00:19:56.680 and I think that I think I hate to say it but almost to a degree I think in some ways the the truth

00:20:02.080 at this point is not even the main the main issue what's the issue is that there have been so many

00:20:07.780 dramatic shifts and reversals by trump by his people you have that that deer in the headlights

00:20:14.320 uh interview with bongino and that was uncomfortable they look like johnny depp and amber heard in that

00:20:19.180 australia apology video and stuff and and people look people can sense that there's something up

00:20:24.320 here to that point right and again I'm playing devil's advocate here just because there's got

00:20:28.200 to be someone that's that grounded well not not to sound like a jerk but like oh yeah if if we're all

00:20:34.380 just sitting here saying yes yes yes yes yes to each other you know so I think it's important and the

00:20:38.820 questions are worth it you know we have to talk about it so what would you say to people that say well

00:20:42.920 look they looked like that because they had some sense of how it was going to be received they

00:20:47.860 remember all the things they said and they're like thinking in the in you know in the back of their

00:20:52.560 mind they're like I can't believe I gotta get on here and I gotta say this people are gonna think

00:20:56.920 I'm lying because I was so blah blah blah but you know there's just I saw it and this is actually true

00:21:03.360 and I have to it sucks that I have to do this better job though well how so so how what and what

00:21:09.260 seriously like legitimately if they're if they're like well I gotta get out there and say it what is

00:21:14.160 it what is going to convince someone that already believes right and that's the big problem here

00:21:20.180 there's tons of confirmation bias right are people that are like well I already believe this and people

00:21:26.680 that would have six months ago said Dan and Cash they're gonna get in there and I know those guys I

00:21:33.560 trust them they're gonna blow it open I trust those guys I can't wait and then as soon as Dan

00:21:38.600 Dan and Cash come out and say things that conflict with the what they already believe oh they they

00:21:43.660 must have got to him the deep state got to him but you're acting like Dan and Cash and the Trump

00:21:48.800 administration have done some kind of stellar PR operation and people just aren't able to accept it

00:21:53.420 I specifically said already that I'm not so you're so then my answer to you would be what can they do

00:21:58.800 they can do a better freaking job of presenting this I would come out and I would say look guys

00:22:03.820 I I know that we pumped this up but here's what's happened we we got into these files and we found that

00:22:09.520 we didn't have this we got into this we found that I mean they need to explain they can explain more

00:22:13.660 than just sitting there a lot of a lot of people are pissed at because it's been whiplash it's been so

00:22:17.900 back and forth on the messaging however are should we really be shocked that that's their strategy here

00:22:24.080 they've done it on every other issue with tariffs one day they're on next day they're off

00:22:28.400 the administration has done this the entire time of just flip-flopping this seems more dramatic to

00:22:34.160 me I don't know there's the messaging is a more serious issue by far but I think they're doing

00:22:38.460 what they've always done I am messaging good I was gonna say I like you know how I feel about this

00:22:42.500 case and I do think about confirmation bias all the time and I don't believe what we'll see from

00:22:47.280 the government I mean it's gone through so many hands in different administrations why should we believe

00:22:52.100 what they have um but I want to see it all we should have every right to see I don't want to see the

00:22:56.760 videos you know of children being hurt that can't be let out that's disgusting but like there's

00:23:01.800 people calling for that too and I think that's bizarre uh but I I just think the messaging is

00:23:07.260 so bad it's schizophrenic because it's like one night they'll say nothing there's here the next

00:23:12.240 night they'll say we're gonna release it Bongino says the we have raw footage it's uncut next thing

00:23:17.520 we get a video it's missing a minute a week later it's missing three minutes by the way it's not just

00:23:21.460 sorry just one thing by the way it's not just a a matter of neglect it's also a bizarre kind of

00:23:27.420 obstinance that they're showing a kind of frustration with people can't we just move on

00:23:32.420 you're still talking about that Epstein guy what's with my guys and gals this this condescension

00:23:37.620 yeah and it comes you're the guys who did the photo shoot with the binders there's there's no so

00:23:42.020 there's I have no disagreement about anything any of the the points you're making about how poorly this

00:23:47.840 has been presented the idea you bring you mentioned the binders that was probably the worst thing that

00:23:52.880 they could have done they killed an indie media that day they called it yeah I mean and they and

00:23:56.600 the worst thing is they threw people that had supported Trump they threw him right under the

00:24:01.840 bus they made him look like was that intentional you think I don't it was incompetence I don't think

00:24:06.700 I don't think the influencers knew what they were getting into but I do think someone in the

00:24:10.760 administration knew what they were doing by printing out binders and walking them out in front of

00:24:14.760 photographers even though they'll be like the photographers are there for some ambassador

00:24:18.220 they knew damn well they were walking out for a photo shoot I know the influencers didn't really

00:24:22.360 know what was going on but now having this conversation today and looking back at everything

00:24:26.360 that's happened do you think that it was a setup I think do you think they perhaps knew this was the

00:24:30.460 way things were going to go they wanted to shut these influencers down yeah I think it's very

00:24:33.740 condescending I think the people who are handling this situation who are close to Trump don't think

00:24:39.020 very highly of us and they think they can just throw us some scraps and we'll get over it but this is

00:24:43.540 one of the most nefarious crimes against children and he is a part of the upper most upper parts of

00:24:48.840 our society and he's not the only one like that so we can't just like reduce it to some people

00:24:53.860 dancing with binders and on the White House lawn and then move on you know and then like what was

00:24:58.380 phase two what was phase three yeah exactly I mean it's crazy it's a great bit but it would be if it

00:25:04.840 wasn't about kids being like hurt so badly and so many for such a long time and also the fact that

00:25:11.620 Trump does have an established and I understand that he says that he ended it and he kicked him

00:25:17.520 out of Mar-a-Lago and whatever but he has an established history with Epstein I'm not I don't

00:25:21.620 I know we don't know how extensive that was but you know when when the New York magazine decided to do

00:25:27.600 an expose on Jeffrey Epstein who was one of the main people they talked to as a character reference

00:25:32.080 so to speak as Trump that says something do you I feel like that gets run do you remember oh it was

00:25:36.700 like what early 2000s yeah and I that's what Phil was talking about earlier though is I do

00:25:40.440 take into account this guilt by association thing because when you're someone like Epstein his goal

00:25:46.280 was to infiltrate every institution from Harvard art Hollywood science so like Trump was that guy so

00:25:54.160 you're bound to be you know around him for photo ops and you know at parties and all that stuff but

00:25:59.500 I don't think I personally don't think Trump's implicated I don't think he's guilty I think his

00:26:05.220 frustration probably stems from the fact that what he's been told about this case doesn't jive with

00:26:10.680 his base and now they're really mad and he's like well I saw stuff that refutes that but the messaging

00:26:17.120 from him from everybody is poor right exactly it's tough not just poor I mean it's in the

00:26:22.220 abysmal it's abysmal yeah and and the the level of condescension here nobody likes condescension

00:26:27.760 this is something that that MAGA voters also are not accustomed to Trump has never been condescending

00:26:33.640 as far as I know uh to his own constituency and it's far it's it's beyond condescending I mean he's

00:26:39.200 he called us weaklings I think he believes what he's saying I think that's why he's so mad but I

00:26:44.860 think he's off he's lost his balance yeah right and you know who knows what he's seen you know we

00:26:50.360 could look at why Bongino and Cash looked like it was a hostage situation on that Fox interview

00:26:54.280 and maybe they're spooked because they saw something far more nefarious you know not to go too crazy again

00:26:58.860 because you know how easy that gets Phil but like I think Epstein's alive I think they found out that

00:27:03.260 he's in witness protection or something that they've used him as the asset he was got him out

00:27:07.660 and he's somewhere living his life just want to me I want to drill down on that point just yeah

00:27:10.800 just because I want to make sure I understand what you actually do think why don't you do me a favor

00:27:16.180 and articulate what you actually do think in terms of his death not well not just that what do you

00:27:21.020 think Epstein was actually involved with because like I've like we talked a little I don't know if I

00:27:26.560 we haven't said it today but I'm of the mind that there are at least two two major opinions that

00:27:33.500 the passionate people have and I want to know which um kind of fall into or if you're a mixture of both

00:27:38.820 probably all of them uh gatekeeping power in this country and in other countries uh gatekeeping

00:27:44.580 inventions in science and art uh controlling politicians sexual blackmail and feeding off human

00:27:52.560 suffering for his own delight okay and so you what do you think has happened since we were told

00:27:58.280 that Epstein killed himself uh in terms of our society or about him in particular I don't think

00:28:04.980 I don't think he died like I look that whole story is very strange and this is just my speculation

00:28:10.480 but I you know I've mentioned this on the show before but it's worth I'll just say it again because

00:28:13.780 it kind of ties in I had been following the Nicholas Tartaglione case for 10 years uh he's a guy who was

00:28:19.460 convicted of executing four guys in a drug deal that went bad he's an ex-cop happened in Chester

00:28:23.960 New York where he used to be a furniture mover and these four men went disappearing and Tartaglione

00:28:28.820 who's this ex-cop was found guilty of of killing them putting them uh burying them in his grave on

00:28:34.580 like a pig farm and he went to jail and so I was writing about this for a while following him following

00:28:41.080 his depravities throughout his life and his career as a cop and he winds up being the guy who's in Epstein's

00:28:46.040 cell and he's the reason they the official story was at the time that he attacked Epstein and that's

00:28:52.480 how Epstein was moved right but that's he says that's not the case Tartaglione says Epstein

00:28:57.980 actually tried taking his life wrote a note like a suicide note Epstein tried to kill himself this is

00:29:02.280 what Tartaglione says his own life is what I'm yep and then that Tartaglione says he like cut him down

00:29:06.460 because he had a razor blade in his jail cell I also want to mention Tartaglione on the night before

00:29:10.880 this all happened got a cell phone in his cell remember this is a very corrupt prison in New

00:29:15.920 York City lots of problems there whatever happened Tartaglione has his own story there's the official

00:29:21.700 story whatever happened that's what moved Epstein to where he would not live anymore according to the

00:29:28.200 official story I think since he's such a powerful asset connected to such powerful entities in our

00:29:33.720 country and all around the world um considering his lineage of Robert Maxwell who did very similar

00:29:39.160 things and and you know hook his daughter up with uh Jeffrey Epstein you know was in a yacht called

00:29:46.180 Lady Ghislaine uh anyway I think they switched him out I think they got a body double or something and

00:29:52.180 they brought Epstein out alive and let him live for they either they acquired that information and said

00:29:57.340 move on and we have a history of doing things like that in this country of seeing horrendous nightmarish

00:30:02.420 stuff go on and our government the status quo the evil status quo government being like we want that

00:30:07.560 information we're going to use it and a good example of that would be like a unit 731 in Japan after

00:30:12.200 World War II when we gave everyone over their amnesty for the information on vivisection on living

00:30:17.020 people freezing hands and shattering them like and that's just one of like many examples of how we

00:30:22.140 like to acquire what we think of as torture evil information and use it uh so I think Epstein is

00:30:27.720 probably still alive I think that whole thing was weird there's discrepancies in the autopsy Michael

00:30:32.600 Bodden Dr. Michael Bodden uh has he doesn't believe it was a suicide he reviewed the autopsy I

00:30:38.740 think I don't know if he's actually with the body or if he reviewed the autopsy but Bodden is just

00:30:42.720 interesting because he did JFK's brain uh autopsy and all that stuff he um he did Shannon Gilbert who

00:30:48.800 was a victim of the Long Island serial killer uh so he's he talks a lot about the hyoid bone and

00:30:53.880 Epstein's broken three places which isn't really consistent with uh suicide it's more consistent with a

00:30:58.380 strangulation and a homicide uh there's so many discrepancies with the story I don't buy the

00:31:03.620 cameras going out we were told for years there were no cameras now we have this 11 hour footage

00:31:07.040 that's edited uh the security guards went to sleep it's bizarre to the another way in which

00:31:13.500 Trump administration has just utterly botched this is to put out finally after after an extensive delay

00:31:19.960 to put out this footage and tell us look here guys we've got it we've got it and then oh it turns

00:31:26.620 out there's a minute missing oh well we can explain that that's just this is what normally

00:31:30.220 happens every time that it reboots and then it turns out Wired magazine looks at the metadata

00:31:34.840 which why is it not it's just a no-brainer now that people are going to look at metadata like it's

00:31:40.400 from the Baldoni thing to to this that should have been expected well you look at the metadata and it

00:31:45.440 turns out no there's like three minutes missing from that video so what you've done what they did is

00:31:50.680 they were thinking that that was going to help them I suppose and relieve people's suspicions

00:31:54.960 by putting that video out there and instead it just tremendously reinforces the narrative that

00:31:59.500 we're being lied to I refuse to believe that this is incompetence like it seems all of this seems

00:32:05.200 intentional it's by design I just want to say one other thing if it is incompetence you need to

00:32:08.340 replace yeah hold on disagree I think that there is ample possibility for this to be incompetent then

00:32:15.740 you need to remove those people like whether it's Bondi how many things have to happen and go wrong

00:32:20.460 to allow this to happen for it to be incompetent when it comes to incompetence I don't think that

00:32:26.940 there is an upper limit well I agree with you on that I can be I agree infinitely stupid I but I so

00:32:33.620 like let's look at Butler really quick and I just want to make another point after this about Epstein

00:32:36.400 and the death Butler Pennsylvania is a good example of what I think was mass incompetence but evil actors

00:32:42.880 using that as a shield to carry out whatever they're doing the people in Butler or the secret

00:32:47.720 service in Butler now because of yeah actual we haven't heard much possible nefarious it was like

00:32:53.100 what a dozen suspended agents yeah there's a lot now uh yeah that whole thing's weird that's a whole

00:32:58.020 thing but anyway um incompetence does happen I think sinister actors use it as cover for their plots I

00:33:05.540 mean that the Thomas Matthew Crook thing is so weird that they cremated his body so quickly power

00:33:11.000 washed the roof so quickly that and I'm talking about why people are skeptical of Trump and of

00:33:16.380 this situation right now that is hovering in the background as well the fact that most people feel

00:33:20.980 as we do that that was never resolved that no attempt was even made to account for that guy's

00:33:25.400 motives Thomas Crook his history all of that and so we've got that in the background and there's just

00:33:30.580 this sense you know I think that we that we understand this perfect sense that there is something

00:33:34.480 pervasively wrong in our government this is right now this is why agenda 47 was so important and for

00:33:39.260 Trump to campaign on literally obliterating the deep state whatever you think that is I know it's

00:33:43.320 an amorphous term and it's hard to sell to like the normies who don't want to buy into it but this is

00:33:48.720 this evil operates well it depends on what you're trying to sell because like I said if if you articulate to

00:33:53.080 to people the deep state the way that I kind of conceptualize it forever bureaucrats yeah most people

00:33:58.500 don't really find objection with that because they're like well yeah I mean if I had a job I'd want to keep

00:34:02.600 my job and I'd want my kids to go to school and I want to keep making my mortgage payments so that makes

00:34:06.080 perfect sense that there's people that work in the in the the administration or working in the

00:34:10.560 government that that want to keep their jobs but if you're like hey they're all blood-sucking vampires

00:34:15.520 and they're the ones that are in control then people trust me it's a tough sell I try it every night on

00:34:19.880 my show uh but I but it's true I mean there is such a long history in this country of vampires like

00:34:26.000 people who are harming kids and videotaping themselves do it go look up Earl Bradley oddly enough

00:34:31.760 Beau Biden who Joe Biden never really talked about in terms he should have Beau Biden put an end to a

00:34:36.580 pediatrician videotaping himself harming children in his basement just because it like and I'm not

00:34:42.040 that's just one of many not saying that I'm not saying that you know horrible things don't happen

00:34:46.320 everyone knows that Ed Gein was a person everybody everybody knows who the night stalker was everybody

00:34:51.020 knows about Jeffrey Dahmer which you know some of the most macabre right you know serial killers and and

00:34:57.360 stuff so there's no question that it does happen and it makes perfect sense that if there are people

00:35:02.940 that are powerful that have influence and they happen to be those types of serial killers or have

00:35:09.860 that kind of uh malicious and sadistic inclination then they're going to use their power to cover it up

00:35:15.340 yeah and I don't think that it's I don't think that it's I think it's pervasive I don't think that

00:35:20.800 there's hundreds I think it's so pervasive because like an example I typically make is like

00:35:27.140 look you can go look up stories of politicians with child porn and it's insane or people who've

00:35:31.600 been abused or the way they wield their power when you say politicians what do you mean by

00:35:35.220 politicians representatives congressmen congresspeople and the reason I the reason I ask is because yes

00:35:40.180 I agree you can go up and you can go and look and see and find many yeah Republican and Democrat

00:35:46.180 yeah yeah no there's not a there's not a side um there's many of them but you do have to like I do

00:35:51.780 think it's worth remembering that there's 435 members of Congress at any one time yeah

00:35:56.720 and congressional representatives change very very frequently so there's literally probably a

00:36:03.520 couple thousand okay well Joe Biden congressional representatives yeah Joe Biden well I think

00:36:07.880 harm children again again I'm not saying that it doesn't happen but I think that when you're talking

00:36:12.640 about that number of people and that number of people that that have like dark triad traits because

00:36:18.700 generally to become a politician you have you're a little on the I think it's psychopaths tend to be

00:36:25.560 politicians yeah exactly yeah that kind of stuff I think that they're they're probably overrepresented

00:36:31.060 but at the same time I don't think that you know if there's 435 members of Congress I don't think

00:36:36.180 300 of them are I don't know if all of them are but I know a lot of their I guarantee a lot of the

00:36:40.380 staffers are and a lot of those unelected bureaucrats probably take partake in this as well and the weird

00:36:43.680 parties they do you know you look at George Santos saying recently about the those cages they had

00:36:47.860 beneath the offices where all these weird sexual things were going on uh senate staffers sodomizing each

00:36:53.540 other in congressional hearing rooms I'm more apt to believe that there is insane debauchery going

00:36:59.920 on in Congress and with staffers in DC than I am to believe that there are multiple people committing

00:37:06.140 murder and drinking the blood of and I think that that's I think that's true to an extent I kind of

00:37:11.180 think too that we're almost getting in the weeds with this of like how depraved is Congress how depraved

00:37:16.200 is our is our government I mean the the point is is that people even if they're not educated on all

00:37:21.500 this stuff or they don't share these these specific beliefs people have a general sense that there

00:37:26.100 is something very wrong with those in control of our of our government in our society right so all

00:37:31.580 you have to do is have something that taps into that and then has some basis in fact which as we

00:37:37.320 know there's a lot of basis in fact we're thinking that Epstein was hooked into to the upper echelons

00:37:41.980 to that point doesn't it doesn't do you do you think that the the argument that well people

00:37:50.300 generally don't like Congress but they generally like their congressional representative do you think

00:37:56.520 that that feeds into it people are like suspicious of Congress and they think something's going on

00:38:00.920 but then if you drill down do you think your representative is doing no not mine I that's my

00:38:06.100 sense my sense is people would be like well no I think my congressional representative is good and

00:38:10.180 and the the something nefarious is going on something bad is going on probably ends at the

00:38:15.200 familiarity of their own I know one of our congressmen I think is a failure right now yeah I

00:38:18.860 don't I know a lot of people are just like aren't my congressmen you know totally neglecting FBI

00:38:23.820 whistleblowers who've had their lives completely ruined for calling out FBI's unethical practices

00:38:28.640 who have not been rehired who are being who are completely destroyed by lawfare one of many within FBI

00:38:34.560 and congressmen who represent these whistleblowers have done nothing you know and it's not even

00:38:39.720 say anything that's a problem to me well and that gets that gets into something else too that I think

00:38:44.380 is going to increasingly generate if this is not if this is not better handled this is increasingly

00:38:48.560 generate uh anger is that people have also the feeling that we are held to different standards

00:38:55.560 than those in charge of our government 100 and so there's a sense no matter what it is that they're

00:39:01.180 getting away with stuff and so when you have something like this that comes along where people

00:39:05.460 trusted the Bush the Bush administration people trusted the Trump administration they trusted

00:39:09.280 Bongino they trusted Patel and then all of a sudden and Pam Bondi has been talking out of her ass for

00:39:14.520 months oh I've got truckloads of it it's on my desk I'm looking at it it's getting closer I can see it

00:39:19.340 the file is getting closer I'm gonna have it and you know it's like a horror movie you're supposed to

00:39:22.460 it's creeping up any day now but uh and and nothing and and for most people that is just it's a bridge

00:39:29.400 too far it's too much to ask people to to tolerate these dramatic reversals the sense of gaslighting

00:39:36.060 the condescension and again Trump attacking his own base at this point there's all that for sure

00:39:41.420 and I'm trying to think about how you know we can tell people who aren't plugged in as schizophrenically

00:39:46.740 as I might be to all this stuff but like one example could be so we know what Epstein has done

00:39:52.760 he's been in he went to jail for it right and when he went to jail the first time in Florida look at

00:39:57.440 that sweetheart deal he got right he was given he was able to leave whenever he wanted still had

00:40:02.120 his passport left the country came back only spent 13 months in there that's insane so you're talking

00:40:07.060 about like rules for the not right uh it it's such a great example of how this guy harmed underage

00:40:14.180 children and was in prison for it and then was allowed to just do his business that makes me believe

00:40:20.400 that Epstein is not the pinnacle of this that he is a small piece of the puzzle he's a cutout because

00:40:26.800 when they went after the mob they would do the most brutal mobsters that you know have dozens of

00:40:32.320 bodies right they would let them go if they could get the mob boss if they can get testimony how

00:40:36.900 pervasive do you think it is then I don't know because this seems like a western problem right

00:40:40.960 like that like it seems like a uniquely western like five eyes country problem uh other cultures

00:40:46.020 Epstein wait which part Epstein which part is a pervasive problem I think that what you're taught

00:40:52.260 like what you're you're articulating is a is a an issue of familiarity not an issue of of an of it

00:40:59.520 being isolated to the west I imagine considering the fact that most people would consider eastern

00:41:05.360 european countries as uniquely corrupt or or countries that are not western we're talking about

00:41:11.220 more corrupt than the united states I think that it's probably not just more pervasive yeah in eastern

00:41:16.000 europe and in other parts of the world but it's actually looked at as normal are you talking about

00:41:20.340 corruption and that's so if it's normalized in places of the world like eastern europe or the

00:41:25.260 middle east like this type of you know debauchery and this behavior how would you have leverage over

00:41:29.840 people are you talking about corruption or the sexual blackmail stuff and harming children or all

00:41:34.940 that together kind of all of it together because I mean that is that that is a ancient it's ancient

00:41:39.220 it's going on forever ever and America is no different as you know go look at all the child

00:41:43.740 sacrifice in the bible well not I mean not only that but like in in other parts of the world not only is

00:41:48.820 it is it considered normal and and not shocking um if if you're under a monarchy most monarchies can

00:41:56.100 just say well we're doing this and it doesn't matter what you think and if you if you you know raise

00:42:00.600 your head up and say this is a problem we'll just have it cut off so I just want to say like thinking

00:42:05.820 again about people who aren't plugged in and wondering why this is so important wondering I

00:42:10.260 personally don't think it's just online voices screaming about epstein uh the only people seem to care

00:42:16.680 about it you know and then thinking about his sweetheart deal in prison and people saying well

00:42:21.480 he just killed himself and just writing it off I don't think epstein was a suicidal person I think

00:42:26.460 knowing how he was treated in prison in Florida that dude had a sweetheart deal deal after a ton of

00:42:32.040 people came forward and with corroborating evidence saying he harmed children you know I don't I think he

00:42:37.540 knew so many people in power that he had no fear of prison that he I think that whole thing was designed

00:42:42.620 for him to get out of that one jail cell and maybe they used Hartaglione as a sort of patsy of sorts

00:42:47.460 or maybe he's in on it I don't know to get him alone to get him his freedom uh so they can keep doing

00:42:53.640 these things because they don't really I don't think our government gives up on it what makes epstein so

00:42:57.080 special that some regular old cia agent couldn't do I mean he was very he was a smooth operator he was

00:43:03.240 apparently very intelligent right but after the the whistle was blown after people realized what he was up to

00:43:09.280 why would they even what I think that's why you have to have a cutout is because he's not technically

00:43:14.040 cia he's not technically massad right you know when the prime minister the former prime minister just

00:43:18.100 came out recently saying he was I can tell you verified he was not massad I'm like yeah I'm sure

00:43:22.540 like I'm sure he worked with you though like Robert Maxwell worked with you he wasn't technically massad

00:43:26.940 but a lot of people who are not technically cia but you're still an asset and yeah he was smooth

00:43:32.500 and he he just had these connections I mean he I think he was groomed into these positions

00:43:37.080 and used and uh maybe because they knew what his proclivities were you know and they used that

00:43:43.600 say hey he felt above the law clearly he was above the law look how he was in Florida in the Florida

00:43:48.440 jail and and I just want to say here too the fact that he received such an obvious easy deal in in

00:43:56.520 the Florida situation and that and that really it seems like for years people were over the government

00:44:00.820 was overlooking his uh his crimes there's no way to explain that except to say that he must be

00:44:09.860 connected to or entrenched with the government and so the problem then with with uh with Trump or his

00:44:15.900 people trying to pass off now the idea that there's nothing to see here and this was just a perverted guy

00:44:20.740 committing crimes in isolation is that that does not then explain why he was why he was allowed to get

00:44:27.780 away with it for so long either he was allowed to get away with it or he he got these easy deals like

00:44:33.420 in Florida because of his connections like Acosta said and his usefulness to the government and his

00:44:39.240 and his or or he wasn't so what what would you say to people that would say well you know during the 90s

00:44:45.020 late late 80s and 90s he was friends with Bill Clinton and so that was his insulation I think Bill Clinton

00:44:51.780 was on the plane after 2016 they were after 2016 I think there is and he had a ton of I think Bill

00:44:58.000 might have never left but there's a ton of prominent people it wasn't Bill I want to check that but I

00:45:01.480 think it was but there's a ton of prominent people who had no problem hanging out with Epstein

00:45:05.800 after the conviction but to Kristen's point like what would you say to people that are well I mean he

00:45:10.260 was friends with the president oh so you're saying that they would say that the the the rationale for him

00:45:14.700 getting basically a such an easy ride and being being for so long tolerated by the government was

00:45:19.800 because of his connections to powerful people I mean well not just powerful people but to the

00:45:23.940 Clintons to the Clintons because the president I mean the president and actually you know Hillary

00:45:28.660 Clinton is extremely powerful as well and so or are we supposed to understand that okay so you're so

00:45:32.920 the argument would be then that Clinton and the Clintons were pulling strings in the government to

00:45:37.880 keep their buddy out of trouble to I'm my my I'm imagining right right because of his association

00:45:43.860 they would be saying oh you know the reason that he didn't get picked up until you know in the

00:45:48.840 2000s I think the first time he was arrested was what 2003 or four or maybe four or five

00:45:54.320 early 2000s maybe 2006 actually early six say early odds right so he didn't get picked up until then

00:46:00.400 well that that was because they were making sure or the Clintons specifically Bill Clinton was making

00:46:06.760 sure that you know he put a little pressure on people like hey you know don't don't don't go

00:46:11.500 ahead and look into this too much he's a friend or whatever it could be it seems like that would be a

00:46:15.600 great thing then for the Trump administration to delve into then and to I think people just

00:46:20.980 they want more they feel like they've not been given anywhere near an adequate accounting of this

00:46:27.300 situation and people don't feel like they're entitled to know top secret all the top secret

00:46:31.480 stuff or the ins and outs of everything but I think that when you actually think that I actually

00:46:36.120 think people do think well and I think we are so then yeah I think we turn it inside out because

00:46:41.720 these people have been operating within this government for so long and like Epstein's not

00:46:45.900 the only one and there's levels above him that we don't even know about though if it's as serious as

00:46:50.760 you say it is and there was this risk of Trump coming in and unleashing it all who in their right

00:46:55.180 mind would keep that evidence around yeah exactly like that's why I can't trust what they put out

00:46:59.480 you know the breaking news last night was Pam Bondi is gonna release the grand jury testimony is that

00:47:04.940 even real I actually have a problem with the idea of keep this around because even things that were

00:47:11.320 written down once you once you once you digitize it digitize it and make it into a file it never

00:47:17.460 actually goes away so may like it's possible that some of the originals were destroyed but as soon as

00:47:23.800 you scan it into a computer then it's there are infinite copies sure but then Americans America's

00:47:30.060 enemies who what the hack that shut down the oil pipeline what year was that it wasn't that long

00:47:34.880 ago it was a handful of years ago they can shut down oil and uh on the you know the entire eastern

00:47:39.900 sea where the United States but they can't get in and release some Epstein files like wouldn't

00:47:42.940 America's enemies want to expose that if it was there if it was digitized it all depends on how it was

00:47:49.360 digitized first of all where it was kept and what if if and what type of internet it was kept on when I say

00:47:57.360 type of internet the United States has what they call a siper net which is an which is internal

00:48:01.720 internet that doesn't actually connect it's air gapped from the actual regular internet it you know

00:48:07.320 follows the same state protocols but it doesn't actually ever connect and that's why you have to

00:48:11.900 go into a SCIF secret compartmentalized information center um to actually see something so if they took

00:48:18.620 these Epstein documents and digitized them and put them onto the onto the like the the siper net I think

00:48:24.200 it's called then that would be totally isolated and you have to physically go to where you know

00:48:31.220 to a SCIF and actually plug it your computer in and get it that way all the files are written by the

00:48:35.300 auto pen uh Epstein is the yeah it is weird that they keep things like you know they they did all the

00:48:41.180 JFK files releases which were kind of like a nothing because a lot of it we knew already right um but

00:48:45.920 it's interesting to see just how they keep all these things like operation mongoose stuff everyone knows

00:48:49.940 about it and there's new things about mongoose in those files but you're just seeing these memos going

00:48:54.680 back and forth about like okay this is CIA guys we're going to use bio warfare on Cuba destroy all

00:49:00.160 their crops and they'll think it was just natural you know and they're just writing it down and we we

00:49:04.980 kept it and we could then sure skeptical of that why do they keep it you know but it's they do keep

00:49:09.860 these things it's odd I do want to devil's advocate push back a little bit on the idea though that it's so

00:49:15.780 crazy to think that Epstein might have killed himself I read a biography of him or an article

00:49:21.340 about him in Vanity Fair from I think it was 2003 and it was interviewed with him and one of the things

00:49:27.480 that was interesting about that is he claimed that he never ate out at restaurants that even the best

00:49:34.780 New York restaurants five-star restaurants were just untenable for him that he had to have his food

00:49:39.520 cooked just a certain way by his his chefs and I'm thinking how is a guy like that gonna fare

00:49:45.140 in the Brooklyn unit he knows he's gonna fake he knows he's gonna fake his death and be at some

00:49:49.940 five-star restaurant you know in a day I think if you're if you fake your death how are you gonna

00:49:54.500 go to a five-star restaurant because you got a new face oh a new face okay come on face off they do

00:49:59.140 that all the time my thing is okay so Florida was like strike one and then he caught himself caught

00:50:03.940 up again with the was it Manhattan was the district yeah right when they raided the house so maybe the

00:50:09.440 government say hey we bailed you out once we're not we can't come to your rescue again and maybe he did

00:50:13.860 take his own life I mean this isn't to say you know what evidence may or may not exist but just

00:50:18.760 Epstein alone it's it's just hard to believe if you lost all your power and air access and you're

00:50:24.320 sitting in that jail cell you're alone you know the whole world's watching and your power is gone

00:50:28.340 and you're facing life and but but thank thank god the guy who gave me my first big job is in charge

00:50:34.260 of everything right now thank god that's weird I don't care what anyone says that is weird yeah I mean I

00:50:43.220 understand what you're saying that's weird but I I still don't feel like weird is is evidence for

00:50:47.880 the normies that it's not sufficient no I get it I get it I run into this all the time though there

00:50:52.340 is a cumulative effect though over time where again I think it's early to be gauging public reaction to

00:50:57.180 this public sentiment and there are a lot of people who still don't even don't aren't even

00:51:01.480 aren't even following the story don't know that there's this huge disconnect right now between

00:51:04.860 Trump and and his administration and then the American people so I do think that the longer that

00:51:11.000 this story continues so hold on you said there's a disconnect between this Trump and his people and

00:51:17.660 the or Trump and the American people on the story I'm saying that I'm saying there's I'm saying that

00:51:22.360 I don't think a lot of people are yet are still really aware the extent that there's there is this

00:51:27.480 growing disconnect here between Trump and and the MAGA okay but uh but I so I'm saying like over time

00:51:33.200 I do think the longer this continues and if it if it continues to be embarrassing toward toward Trump if he

00:51:39.320 can't find a way to to combat this you know the Wall Street Journal article did him a favor because

00:51:45.120 whatever the merits may be of that story and it it to most people it it did look like bullshit and so

00:51:53.100 I do think he's gotten a bit of a reprieve you think it's not I think that it certainly look on face

00:51:58.520 value it seems like it's bullshit but at but I am now so skeptical because of the way that Trump has

00:52:05.420 been behaving the way that certain people in his administration been behaving and also because

00:52:08.860 it is again it's it's Epstein it is it is there are certain components of this that have been this

00:52:14.260 conspiracy idea that have been at least proven by even Costa saying like we couldn't we couldn't

00:52:19.040 fully prosecute him because he's tied in with the government you know I know that that that writing

00:52:23.500 or the way that the Wall Street Journal relayed the writing of that birthday card or whatever I know

00:52:28.600 that it did not sound like Trump but but if someone is putting together a cheeky packet of

00:52:34.480 birthday messages for someone and they and say Ghislaine Maxwell said to Trump we're going to put

00:52:38.840 this together for Jeff make it something really special and make it something like personal like

00:52:42.740 maybe some inside jokes between you or whatever I can see where you would write in a more florid way

00:52:48.660 or or if you were talking about some bad secret shit you would write in a much more sort of

00:52:54.500 I don't think Trump's that way but I mean who am I to know but I think I think those are scumbag

00:52:59.020 journalists taking advantage of Trump failing they're always they're always scumbag almost all

00:53:03.340 of them it depends which kind of bubble you're in because I saw all today when I'm scrolling the

00:53:07.900 news on Twitter today like just seeing a maybe there's an update from Pambani regarding Epstein and

00:53:12.700 stuff I see a lot of a lot of Democrats are showing these drawings that Trump did from years ago I

00:53:18.700 guess he would auction off a drawing from Trump and they're like look dude this proves it this is like

00:53:23.100 the same style of drawing that the Wall Street Journal was talking about so you have a lot of

00:53:27.020 people that totally believe the the WSJ report right even Coffeezilla if you guys aren't familiar

00:53:31.780 with him he's like one of the biggest like YouTube investigative journalists okay he exposed like

00:53:36.220 crypto scams a bunch of them uh he believes it I know people on the right yeah I know people on the

00:53:41.820 right who do and and uh and and so again like and and if this if the Wall Street Journal where article

00:53:48.860 had just been released uh separate from all of this then I think it'd be a lot easier for people

00:53:54.220 to look at it and say this is BS but it's coming on the heels of so why wouldn't they release the

00:53:57.640 actual letter well I assume that I assume obviously that they don't have it and reading

00:54:02.680 reading the article to me what it sounded like is of course it's someone or it sounds like several

00:54:08.040 people they're claiming who have seen this and it was it was in the custody of the Department of

00:54:13.440 Justice and so at least that's the claim and so I assume that they that the Wall Street Journalist

00:54:18.360 is claiming that they have some sources on the inside maybe in the Justice Department who've seen

00:54:22.140 it and who can relate what is in it now again do I trust right right right Justice Department working

00:54:26.980 with newspapers I've never heard of that right that's crazy talk that is crazy talk I don't know

00:54:31.800 I just think I do I do want to say this you know this talk of normies I know they exist but I think

00:54:36.740 there's a lot less now after COVID and lockdowns when everyone saw the government turn against them

00:54:41.540 and mothers widespread across the country saw their children literally attacked by the government

00:54:46.680 forced vaccinations and people started waking up to the fact that wait this thing I've been buying

00:54:51.020 into uh is hates me hates my children and I have to that's why RFK Jr. was so popular you know and

00:54:57.360 then through that you know you see a ton of people saying like now they're looking into conspiracies right

00:55:03.700 people grew up into it yes I say conspiracies I think it's history right conspiracy theorists are just

00:55:08.980 historians and these things we know our government's depraved so I don't think a lot of I think

00:55:14.120 a lot less people are like they're I think a lot more people are open to the fact that our government

00:55:20.940 is completely out of control and depraved and willing to do anything to hurt you to maintain power

00:55:26.300 it's trending that way and I think like the COVID era was a catalyst for like the more people they get

00:55:31.740 social media and smartphones in their pocket the more I think people are given so much information that

00:55:37.980 kind of forces you to critically think hopefully you know that's the goal it's what I hope also

00:55:41.960 susceptible to bad information that's right that too and they weaponize that against which I think

00:55:46.140 yeah helps feed conspiracy theories whether it's Epstein or Bigfoot whatever it may be you know you

00:55:51.740 have all this different information coming at you you know and it's becoming harder to for people

00:55:55.640 because there is so much information for people harder than ever to differentiate what's legit and

00:56:00.140 what's not for instance I don't want to take us on a tangent here but as someone who

00:56:03.760 followed the Diddy saga closely I'm amazed at how and and I believe that that was a legit trial and

00:56:10.520 again I don't think there was a big conspiracy there call me though I'm amazed um I just think

00:56:15.320 she was incompetent I'm amazed at how many people will say to me though yeah but you had all of those

00:56:20.080 all of those celebrities going to those freak-offs no there were no celebrities who went to freak-offs

00:56:24.380 there there have been a number of people who have filed shady lawsuits against Diddy most of them

00:56:31.220 by that scoundrel sleazebag lawyer Tony Busby who have claimed that oh yeah I saw this celebrity

00:56:37.140 here this celebrity here but really what came out in that trial is is really that there's really no

00:56:42.560 no no there there and so my point is just that people are inundated now with so much so much

00:56:47.740 information that it's very difficult for them to sort out what is just conspiratorial bunk and what

00:56:53.800 is more valid people are so willing to believe anything they want you're talking about confirmation

00:56:56.880 bias earlier you know there were so many things coming out of the Diddy trial like I had friends

00:57:01.500 there too and they they were like getting hit up all the time like was Prince there like the ghost of

00:57:06.220 Prince showed up or something and they were hearing Prince recordings totally fake right people I really

00:57:12.020 like were totally believed they didn't even question the fact that it was fake right you know I think

00:57:16.220 everything's right uh well I mean I saw not just polls even the things I think are fake

00:57:20.340 clouds I saw I saw clouds are definitely fake Phil don't derail this conversation Phil that's what I

00:57:25.180 do anyway I won't take us down the Diddy pathway I've done some videos on that people can check it

00:57:30.120 out but I I'm just saying that I I think it's always been true that it was hard for people to

00:57:33.480 separate uh conspiracy from the truth but now because we're so inundated it's just it's like a

00:57:39.200 constant you scroll down Twitter and you're just inundated with all these theories I just think

00:57:42.560 conspiracy that were I hate that word but I think that toward that attitude within our government

00:57:47.720 is the norm you know you look at Gladio Northwoods Agent Orange Gulf of Tonkin you know all these

00:57:54.580 things that is the norm there's no question look when when people get wrapped up with the term

00:57:59.920 conspiracy conspiracy is just multiple people getting together and talking about something

00:58:03.300 conspiracy theory that's all it is um but when it comes to whether or not conspiracies are real

00:58:09.840 that's without there's no question about whether or not conspiracies are real um I think the the

00:58:15.980 validity of the information is what's really the important thing you know whether or not

00:58:20.680 there's substantial whether you can find substantiated evidence right as opposed to just oh I heard this

00:58:27.780 guy talking about this and he said a bunch of other guys said that right um but I do want to bring

00:58:32.100 it back to you know the topic of the the show what do you guys think this actually means for MAGA

00:58:39.260 and the Republican Party going forward I think it's a total fracture you're seeing the people who

00:58:44.700 I think are intellectually dishonest like Ben Shapiro just falling by the wayside like I don't think

00:58:50.200 they have any value I have not been following him what is his response to all of this he's he's the

00:58:54.820 normie if you're talking about normies he is the quintessential normie to see here I but he's lost me

00:58:59.220 since COVID so Shapiro's point is look I was open to the idea of you know the the ideas that have

00:59:07.760 been presented here right he's right so before the information started coming out from the current

00:59:12.900 administration he's like I was open to these ideas but I know Dan Bongino I trust Kash Patel I know them

00:59:20.820 like I mean I guess he knows him personally and he's like this is this is what they say so I'm going to

00:59:26.460 believe them because I don't have any evidence to the contrary I also believe Pfizer uh well I mean

00:59:32.220 there's there's a sentiment that with all the point the point is you know he's just taking the story

00:59:39.180 at face value so yeah so what I want to say though is I think it's fractured people within MAGA but I

00:59:45.760 think you see a lot in my terms I know there's people online saying the people in my life don't

00:59:49.940 care about Epstein at all I that's not what I'm experiencing but look at me and I'm crazy I know

00:59:53.700 a lot of crazy people uh take that into account um I think there's a lot of people coalescing around

00:59:58.420 the Epstein story because they've always cared about it people always hopefully care about children

01:00:03.300 being harmed and when you tie that to the government and possible blackmail that's a very important

01:00:08.900 thing so I I think I love seeing people coalesce around it online and offline demanding stuff even if

01:00:15.500 it's in the face of this this theory of like trust the plan bro Trump's doing some fighting

01:00:19.880 chess which I don't really think but if he does I'd rather not be a political I'm tired of hearing

01:00:23.440 about the 5d chess I'd rather not be a political pawn there there is some serious sentiment I think

01:00:27.420 from the administration and a lot of people in MAGA that it's like like look at all the wins so this

01:00:31.440 excuses this one blender but I think that's just a logical fallacy like it doesn't like you don't

01:00:36.780 get a free pass in real life you know you're supposed to be good and just all the time you don't get

01:00:42.400 to and and I think that was Trump's reaction was like that's why he insulted people and he got

01:00:46.880 flustered it was like I've done so much I've done so much are you really complaining about this look

01:00:52.060 what he's been through I mean oh of course I I I totally understand I'm not one of those people

01:00:56.520 who's going to go burn my MAGA hat I don't have a MAGA hat but if I had one I'm not going to burn it

01:01:00.260 I'm not someone who's going to denounce him publicly I'll criticize him and like I support those wins

01:01:05.180 you know the steel natural gas that we are uh arresting pedophiles Nixon had the same complaint

01:01:10.880 Nixon's like I went to China I normalized relations with China I did this and that why do you care

01:01:15.680 about this Watergate thing well you can complain about it as much as you want but he's due for a

01:01:18.980 redemption arc well no and I'm not denying that but I'm just saying that politicians are can complain

01:01:24.440 as much as they or commentators can can bemoan as much as they want to the fact that this is at

01:01:29.180 the moment overshadowing Trump's games but that's the that is the game and Trump by the way you know

01:01:34.780 he initially got into politics by trying to prove that Barack Obama was not born in the United States

01:01:41.020 so he's he's not really one to tell us what we should be interested I want those papers I mean I'm

01:01:45.780 with them and the more I'm with them more you tell people not to care about something right the more

01:01:50.280 they're going to be coming for you right but I I really want to pull this back what do you think

01:01:54.560 it means for MAGA and for the Republican Party moving forward we can talk about yeah how all the

01:02:00.520 mistakes that were made and you know we've talked about that for an hour and it's been covered ad

01:02:04.660 nauseam by about every podcast in the past six months or whatever what do you guys think this

01:02:11.280 means for MAGA do you think that this is a a a coalition breaking issue or do you think that at

01:02:18.740 the end of the day people are going to say well he did do all these things that I do like I don't

01:02:24.740 like this and the options are the Democrats do you think that people will will stay home in the

01:02:33.420 midterms and now keep in mind the midterms are you know there's a significantly lower turnout and the

01:02:39.920 people that go to the midterms are more politically plugged in than the average person so yeah you know

01:02:46.480 for lack of a better term the normies generally stay home in the midterms um or do you think that

01:02:51.760 this is this is something where people will say oh even though it's bad and I don't like this I'm still

01:02:58.040 going to go out and vote for things that I think are actually better for me because at the end of the

01:03:02.420 day if you're MAGA the policies that the Republicans are are talking about are going to have a better

01:03:08.940 effect on your life than the policies the Democrats I mean I I personally I although I champion those

01:03:16.040 wins from Trump I feel like a lot of the joy has been superficial I think people are suffering in this

01:03:21.440 country people are not having their paychecks are still being robbed these taxes are coming out people

01:03:26.400 the groceries are so expensive gas is so expensive so if the economy does get better I'm sure they'll go out

01:03:31.500 to vote in the midterms I do see a lot of uh I don't say nihilism apathy with amongst voters you

01:03:37.880 know and they're not really getting the wins I mean we're out here in in the panhandle I know a lot of

01:03:43.000 people who were fired by doge who were Trump voters and they don't understand why and it's hard because

01:03:48.160 I'm like I wanted doge to destroy the government um but I also have sympathy for people who don't

01:03:52.720 understand why they lost their jobs and are replaced by AI that was made by a guy you know who

01:03:57.880 well don't get me started on Elon you know like so that's that's tough I also think the left is

01:04:02.260 activated now more than they've been in a while in their hatred for Trump like always right so you

01:04:07.640 have to watch out for that I think it would be MAGA exists beyond just Trump and the people who just

01:04:13.240 worship Trump like cat turd like that's a problem like you shouldn't have a false idol right cat turd

01:04:19.100 is really having a rough couple of weeks I I really can't stand that person um but like he's go I

01:04:25.660 thought he was ghostwriting a lot of Trump's truth social posts recently um but I think it's it would

01:04:30.860 if Trump fails on the Epstein stuff that is a big loss in my opinion despite the wins because of how

01:04:37.420 I feel about the importance of the Epstein story within our government and the world um and it would

01:04:43.580 be an indictment on Trump not being the wrecking ball that I think a lot of people voted for representative

01:04:49.040 of a larger phenomenon yes we thought he was going to go in there and obliterate the deep state but I

01:04:53.580 don't know if that's possible you know that's that is that is evil you're talking about like legit

01:04:57.820 evil I don't know if you can do that despite running on it it reminds me of uh that Oliver

01:05:02.620 Stone movie Nixon it's a great movie and there's an anecdote in there which is actually based in fact

01:05:07.660 where Nixon would go to the Lincoln Memorial in the middle of the night to talk to protesters and

01:05:12.500 there's this great scene you probably know it yeah where he's talking to one of the girls uh female

01:05:16.700 protesters and she says I and he basically says I'm trying to tame the system I'm trying to make it do

01:05:22.800 some good and she's like you can't control it can you and he's he has this epiphany and he's like

01:05:26.920 she was right you know and I want to say one other thing to going that I think is is also going on with

01:05:33.080 right now with this uh anger from from MAGA Trump I think that there are a number of Trump supporters

01:05:40.640 MAGA people who have gotten tired of over the years being told that they are just mindless followers

01:05:47.220 in a cult and I think that consciously or unconsciously this is offering people the

01:05:51.960 opportunity to say see I'm not in a cult I'm not a blindly obedient I'm I have a problem with this

01:06:00.140 Epstein stuff and I see people online who seem to be and I'm not saying this is wrong it's

01:06:04.300 understandable seem to be reveling in the opportunity to take a stand against Trump to show right I just

01:06:10.960 think that's a side benefit of it in a way that people may not be aware of but I think that's going

01:06:14.720 on as well to answer your question I I think with this Epstein stuff coming out now I think it won't

01:06:19.900 really have an impact on the midterms that being said I am not optimistic for Republicans performing

01:06:24.860 well in the midterms I think a lot of people are one issue voters that may be Epstein that may make

01:06:30.360 them stay home most people stay home as you pointed out as it is now the economy right Phil you

01:06:34.840 constantly point this out this is the number one driver if people can't afford their groceries

01:06:38.640 people can't afford gas I'm Gen Z right I did when you tell me oh are you thinking about buying a

01:06:43.680 house I laugh you I think you're making a joke if that's still the reality yeah it's not that I'm

01:06:48.360 going to go vote Democrat but it's like was someone like me actually be motivated it's like oh it's a

01:06:53.060 Tuesday I've got work I've got to go to the doctor I'm not going to vote right that's why I don't

01:06:56.860 think people are going to switch votes right like like I don't think there's going to be like a mass

01:06:59.920 exodus from the Republicans now back to the left I think it's you saw a lot of an exodus from the left

01:07:03.360 to the right and now they might not feel so good about it whether it's the economy not doing as well

01:07:07.920 despite what they say I mean the economy might be doing better the tariffs didn't destroy the economy like I said

01:07:12.620 they're going to on the left but people are suffering it was a giant hole and it's not one

01:07:17.300 one term one four-year presidency is not going to dig us out of this hole right it's going to get be a

01:07:22.240 great start and you know the Democrats are not doing themselves any favors they're they're like

01:07:26.080 Zoran is becoming the new face of the party and they're embracing it I haven't heard from any

01:07:31.280 prominent Democrats other than like Zoran in the last one month you know I mean Bernie Sanders came out

01:07:36.960 Bernie's yeah so it's like if they keep embracing socialism shocking I mean that's going to turn

01:07:42.320 away the yes the moderates I mean when it that'll turn turn away the moderates but it can actually

01:07:48.960 and what's the more attractive party for a moderate right now like what's the more attractive party

01:07:54.280 right now for a demon by the name of Gavin Newsom will take advantage of the party that's that fraction

01:08:00.340 of the party going so fringe still that's still down the road though because you're presidential stuff

01:08:04.160 you're talking about stuff for I do say if you like like if there's some kind of new coalition

01:08:08.780 like a not a MAGA but like what Elon's floating and Andrew Yang's interested you're going to get

01:08:14.140 those like moderate kind of uh do you think that would split MAGA or do you think that would split

01:08:18.940 I think it would split uh MAGA and I think Democrats would probably would stay home I think it'll split

01:08:26.440 the or it could just siphon it's become the big it's the common sense party now it's the big tent

01:08:31.640 common sense party and and like a lot of things Epstein's not going to be that one issue that

01:08:36.700 makes or breaks the election that's that's honestly my sense as well I think that the Epstein story

01:08:42.160 matters a whole lot to a very small vocal group of people but I think that they're but it is still

01:08:50.500 it is still early and I think that because there is such a a controversial tabloid appeal to this that

01:08:56.800 just in a very human sense rational or not it it really it really gets people I think this could

01:09:02.600 become right it's still early days I think this could become bigger if it is not if it's not handled

01:09:08.160 properly Trump needs to put a tourniquet on this thing how does it get bigger what because I feel

01:09:12.860 like for it to get bigger new information has to come out or there or new information has to come

01:09:18.760 out that like the administration denies if if there's no new developments beyond I mean I guess

01:09:25.300 Wall Street Journal thing that came out yesterday that was supposed to be like oh this is going to

01:09:28.940 be a big thing the the this is going to be an issue it was so it was such an prior to it actually being

01:09:35.040 released it was the rumor was that it was such a big issue that Trump himself called the Wall Street

01:09:39.700 Journal and actually gave a statement to him talk to him so this was supposed to be a big deal and

01:09:43.800 that is a total nothing burger I'm not sure it's as much of a nothing burger though as you were saying

01:09:48.320 you were talking about how you see a lot more people online than you would think who were who were

01:09:51.720 buying it and again all of this is cumulative so it's kind of like taking on leaks you know in a

01:09:56.260 leaky leaky boat one two three leaks whatever but over time it weighs it down um but I no I don't if

01:10:03.720 you if you put a gun to my head and ask me I don't think it's going to have a tremendous effect on the

01:10:07.280 midterms what does matter mean because Shane Gillis just got up on stage at the ESPYs and made an

01:10:12.680 Epstein joke does it move people not to vote for their own yeah for their own interests yeah if you're

01:10:21.080 talking about Epstein is like a political motivator to get to the polls yeah I don't think it matters

01:10:25.660 I I think it is definitely mainstream people are making you pointed out people are making jokes about

01:10:30.720 Epstein just like they do 9-11 like another giant conspiracy that people talk about like

01:10:35.520 it's mainstream but it doesn't motive people aren't not voting Republican or Democrat because

01:10:40.180 they think 9-11 was an inside job or not so just to talk to sum up your your opinion you don't

01:10:46.460 think that this is going to change MAGA significantly there will be people that are

01:10:51.540 this was an October surprise maybe but not right now no I think it will change it I don't think I

01:10:56.020 think a lot of people do care about it but a lot of people will also not change their vote because of

01:11:00.820 it I but I think there's a large group of people who are disenfranchised with MAGA right now and

01:11:08.820 there are people who came over from Maha not happy with a lot of the FDA stuff that's been coming out

01:11:12.960 recently which is completely contradictory to what RFK Jr. ran on and his books you know the

01:11:18.120 six-month-old stuff it's not good you know I think that's not very very very bad and so I see that's

01:11:25.660 a big coalition you know those those moms and by the way there are a number of people who have

01:11:30.340 supported Trump or consider themselves MAGA or maybe peripherally MAGA who can be peeled away from

01:11:36.140 this at least in terms of their enthusiasm I would count myself in this category I supported Trump in

01:11:41.060 all three elections that he ran in and I and I feel like this I'm so disgusted right now with the

01:11:48.960 way that he is condescending to and I feel gaslighting his people and calling us weaklings that I would be

01:11:54.620 inclined to just kind of be apathetic next election I think he's I think he can redeem himself I think

01:11:59.680 there's still time for that you know we've seen him pull off other crazy stunts I'm not happy with

01:12:05.220 obviously how this has been handled right but Trump I think can regain his balance I don't know how it's

01:12:10.220 going to happen I think that their messaging has to get much better what do you think it so like

01:12:16.240 take this hypothetical Trump just told Pam Bondi to release all of the pertinent information well

01:12:21.480 he said that the part yeah pertinent or credible right pertinent credible so that that plays right

01:12:27.020 into my point how much how many people and I personally think the people that care about Epstein I

01:12:33.740 think a large percentage of them no matter what the government releases it's not going to be enough

01:12:38.060 because it doesn't confirm their bias it won't be enough how much well there you go that's so

01:12:42.160 that's the point how much does it matter for what they release considering what we kind of all agree

01:12:49.220 to that no matter what comes out unless it confirms people's bias how much does it matter that they're

01:12:56.580 doing this because Trump said he's like you know you're this you you won't let this die so here have

01:13:01.740 all of it this is why the messaging should have been better much earlier but that but the point

01:13:07.820 but the point that you're making then is it doesn't matter what I'm not saying that actually no I'm not

01:13:11.900 saying I'm saying earlier on if the messaging had been good or consistent or not condescending or

01:13:17.380 whatever you want to say then I I and others would have I think been a lot more willing to let this go

01:13:22.800 but what this has done it's like picking off a scab or stoking a fire so that now now moving forward

01:13:27.500 yeah I think he's almost kind of I think he's in danger actually of what I call a PR death spiral

01:13:31.740 where maybe there's nothing that's going to that's going to fix this but he could certainly he could

01:13:37.520 certainly change his tone because I know that's a basic that's a basic thing stop stop acting like

01:13:42.720 you you are befuddled why you met Donald Trump have you seen how Donald Trump behaves there's two

01:13:48.700 honestly you think about it well I've never seen him calling his followers weaklings nobody calls

01:13:52.840 every everybody else he he's incredibly critical of and as soon as they say something that he likes

01:14:00.380 he's like oh they're a great guy everyone knows that's how Donald Trump acts right everybody knows

01:14:04.720 but but his supporters have never had that that why should why focus on them it's not even it's not

01:14:10.360 his supporters because there are people out there that are like no I support Donald Trump and this

01:14:14.220 is all that are the people that are are you know that again as we've kind of discussed have been

01:14:20.340 supporting him but who are now pissed off or disillusioned because they have a preconceived

01:14:24.160 preconceived idea about the Epstein stuff and what it is well it's not preconceived though when he's

01:14:28.940 been feeding into it when he when you botch something as badly as he's botched the PR on this then you're

01:14:34.060 I do think that it's that it's kind of a preconceived because the botching doesn't the botching

01:14:38.820 well they already believe like people that believe that the people that believe that it's it's about

01:14:43.780 um you know people that believe that it's about pedophiles or people that believe that it's about

01:14:49.560 Israel they've always believed that and they always will but I mean there no matter what comes

01:14:53.240 out there is verifiable stuff out there about like why is a former prime minister of Israel

01:14:58.560 Ehud Barak going into his mansion in 2016 2016 so so again I know it's not essential though but

01:15:06.980 why would anyone would you ever go to someone's house after they've been convicted for what they did

01:15:13.100 my point is they people that believe these things will all believed them before Trump got into office

01:15:20.580 right they believe again these are the same people that believe cash and Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi and

01:15:26.040 Donald Trump are going to get in and show them all the stuff and show them all the stuff meant give me

01:15:31.860 the confirmation of the things that I already believe right and so now any more information that

01:15:37.480 comes out they're not I don't think that they're going to say oh this I well yeah I don't think people

01:15:41.580 should have believed anything that came out especially like after the binder situation you

01:15:44.980 know I'm one of those people who's going to be skeptical of anything they released because what

01:15:48.420 I was saying earlier it's been through so many hands who knows how it's been modified or completely

01:15:52.160 changed I think we need something bigger I think we need some sort of trials I think we need people

01:15:56.960 to be on the stand talking and interviewed almost like a Nuremberg but for everyone connected to

01:16:02.540 him I don't care if they're innocent or not no I think something along that lines I think at this

01:16:06.520 point it's gotten to it's gotten to the point where it's going to take something big but let me just say

01:16:10.240 what do you arrest those people for though I don't honestly it's gonna I mean it's gonna have

01:16:14.900 to depend uh we'll see Bill Gates I mean I could arrest him for trying to kill the son but for in

01:16:19.580 terms of Jeffrey Epstein it's gonna be tough you know because you're like why are you with these

01:16:23.500 people um and you're gonna say well they can be with whoever they want they charged Trump uh what

01:16:28.340 was the yeah and that and that wasn't right too and it doesn't so but the you're talking about using

01:16:33.960 the justice system to to attack people that you believe have done something without any actual

01:16:41.120 evidence which is exactly what they did okay so so here so I think there's a crime so you could

01:16:45.940 that was wrong and that was bad it has to be that dramatic go ahead I think I think we need like

01:16:51.820 intelligence people talking on trial I think we need like a full court press conference I want to

01:16:56.020 see guilt galane back on trial like something really big these people were handling him around him

01:17:01.060 let her talk to you know right like I think that would be a good step in the right direction and

01:17:05.380 look don't trust everything she says because she's literally an asset who was groomed by her father

01:17:09.780 who was doing crazy things it's not so you're poisoning I mean but I want to but I do want to

01:17:14.720 point out though what we finish your thought yeah I'll just say like yeah you have to because you're

01:17:18.900 never going to get the full truth you know and we can't trust any institution to give us the full

01:17:23.040 truth but the more they can do to at least try to be better at being transparent yeah and let us be the

01:17:29.260 judge yeah that's all I ask for because you're you have to be skeptical of everything they're telling

01:17:33.160 you uh because they've been lying to us our whole lives you know I'm not going to trust cash and Dan

01:17:37.540 because they just do podcasts you know I even if I knew I don't know them but like I'm not just going

01:17:41.780 to blindly trust them not because maybe they are lying to me and they know it but maybe they've just

01:17:46.100 been lied to like what I was saying with Trump so yeah I you kind of do have to poison the waters

01:17:50.380 but you also have to demand more transparency and there's a whole bunch of people like galane or bar

01:17:55.720 and I would love to see on trial not trial but on the stand just questioned grilled about all their

01:18:02.840 connections yeah and I want to go back to something that you said just a minute ago you said if you have

01:18:08.260 all of these people who already believed that there was something nefarious going on with Epstein and

01:18:13.880 they have and they thought that that Trump's people are going to get in and take care of it

01:18:17.240 aren't they going to now continue with that bias basically nothing's going to be good enough for them

01:18:21.600 yes you have those people but you also have people like me who did not really give a shit about the

01:18:27.500 Epstein story I mean yeah bad guy whatever I didn't care but now my ears have been perked up

01:18:32.560 just by the mishandling of it and so I think people like me could be placated if the approach were

01:18:39.760 changed I do think there are some who is the messaging really the biggest issue for you because

01:18:43.620 they dropped the investigation into Prince Andrew they fired the process of the was it the top

01:18:48.840 prosecutor for Epstein Maureen Comey was she the top prosecutor though yeah she prosecuted uh

01:18:53.420 Ghislaine Nicholas Tartaglione the guy I was telling you about who jailed his cell it's not just the

01:18:57.820 messaging that's a disaster like this those actions those moves are really suspect on top of all this

01:19:04.020 the WSJ report now we're getting grand jury testament something stinks yeah something's rotten in the

01:19:10.400 state of Denmark yeah and and I I think normal people it's it's way too esoteric I think normies to

01:19:16.800 kind of go back to the whole point of this show today right it's too esoteric it's too many

01:19:20.620 details it's too many different directions and maybe that's the goal I think it's to overwhelm

01:19:24.620 it where people like I don't know man yeah part of the reason why I have this sense right now is

01:19:28.860 just look at the chat the chat is excoriating me because I bought those are bots that I bought

01:19:35.240 they're excoriating me and and it's like I'm implicated because I did this I'm but those are trolls

01:19:42.060 too I don't think the point the point that I'm making is the only reason people would watch this

01:19:48.420 is because they care about it so the chat's full of people that have a bias and they care about a

01:19:54.460 lot of people like me and people I've talked to who are not so politically invested who did not care

01:20:01.160 much about Epstein but now have been their ire and their curiosity has been aroused and so I do think

01:20:07.260 that there's a whole other layer on top of this and and look again we can't act like the messaging

01:20:12.420 on this has just been inadequate I mean I feel like it's like that scene in Apocalypse Now to quote

01:20:18.140 my favorite movie when you've got Martin Sheen sitting there in front of of Kurtz and Kurtz says

01:20:23.560 to him do you find my methods unsound and Martin Sheen says I don't see any method at all sir that's

01:20:30.760 kind of how I feel right the horror yeah I know uh I mean people certainly have their confirmation

01:20:38.200 bias and I understand why and I also think like I was saying earlier about this being an indictment

01:20:44.060 on journalism on journalism as a whole because for what in your to your point it's hard to even write

01:20:50.820 about this yeah there's so many moving parts if you want to go down a Robert Maxwell path what

01:20:55.580 happened with the promise scandal the octopus murders which happened in Martinsburg West Virginia

01:20:59.340 really which is about a a journalist was looking into the promise scandal and which is about the

01:21:06.120 stolen spyware when Robert Maxwell was a part of that Mossad uh US and all this stuff and uh this

01:21:13.060 journalist was starting to like connect the dots and was meeting with a source in Martinsburg and he

01:21:18.500 was the the journalist was saying you know this is he was calling it the octopus it's many tentacle thing

01:21:23.220 right there's always you know which I like it goes to Kurtz what she was saying about uh Nixon talking

01:21:28.340 about this wild animal right I mean that's what's going on I think behind the curtain of our reality

01:21:33.080 and um the journalist was found with his arms like just slid up real bad they ruled it as a suicide but

01:21:40.340 it was just it was really bizarre when was this I don't remember when it was I don't want to say

01:21:44.840 maybe late 90s uh maybe later I'm not sure I think there's a documentary on it um but like that's

01:21:50.540 one path and that's just Robert Maxwell you can go into Pergamon Press you know we were talking

01:21:54.220 earlier about science you're talking about the Epstein thing uh from that show yeah yeah right

01:21:59.500 the expanse they've got what's called the Epstein drive you can go so then thinking about journalists

01:22:03.660 you can go down the path of like Epstein and science why was he a math teacher why was he part

01:22:09.000 of the Harvard math department talk to Eric Weinstein he's talking who was part of the Harvard math

01:22:13.580 department he's like why does Epstein know about my research he doesn't know what he's talking about

01:22:17.280 why does he care about like gravity stuff it's bizarre what are you talking about Eric Weinstein

01:22:21.500 Eric Weinstein I he I think he met Epstein once but Epstein like ingratiated himself into the

01:22:27.920 Harvard math department and he and he thought he was like uh gatekeeping uh innovation it's almost

01:22:33.860 like um the plot of catch me if you can't with Epstein like right like he except he I think he's a

01:22:38.980 phony he conned his way to the top and then lived to kind of this degenerate lifestyle but so like

01:22:44.280 there's all these things all these moving parts with this insane story not to mention the most depraved

01:22:49.820 part about the children right but then you know the power play who's it who's he who's he hanging

01:22:53.780 out with Lolita Express all these things you can go lane so it's hard to condense it into a story that

01:22:59.280 makes sense and I think a lot of people also have an issue willing to accept just how evil people are

01:23:05.420 like when I wrote that story about catching those pedophiles with Alex Rosen right in Ohio

01:23:09.380 that was the most evil stuff I'd seen like right in front of me like these guys were straight up demons

01:23:14.800 who were going to go find no they thought they were going to meet 11 year old girl yeah right

01:23:18.820 and you know people were like I appreciate you writing the story but I just can't read it and

01:23:23.800 I totally understood because it's like I it's torture like listening to them talk was literal

01:23:28.300 torture and we could have done that in Ohio for three days non-stop there were so many people on

01:23:33.740 the on that Alex's list to take care of you every few months you hear like a huge bust where they

01:23:38.480 get like a hundred people with human trafficking it just happens like these people are just hanging out

01:23:42.960 Sorteria uh operations so I think it's Sorteria and Operation Dragon Eye those just happened early

01:23:47.140 this year maybe like last month hundreds of kids saved hundreds of pedophiles arrested amazing you

01:23:52.500 know this is in Texas I believe in Florida it's it's it's so prevalent um amongst I think every level

01:23:58.740 of our society that's why I think it's prevalent up top it's prevalent down below like those people

01:24:03.240 we're in Ohio catching just monsters at 7-11 but you know they're politicians as well they're in we know

01:24:09.020 they're in colleges they find their way in churches this is an evil thing this

01:24:12.940 urge that they need to satisfy this bloodlust with this this need to destroy innocence so it's

01:24:18.560 really hard for to be written about and it's really hard to understand and that's why the

01:24:23.560 people who are so-called normies I think they have a hard time really wrapping their heads around

01:24:27.800 all of this and all the conspiratorial stuff that you know I like to get into that's kind of like

01:24:32.040 just the minutiae of it but there's hard evidence of stuff you can talk to it's just a matter of uh

01:24:37.220 figuring out how to how to condense it into something that's palatable I think the average person

01:24:42.480 is latching on to the messaging failure about Epstein rather than what Epstein's actually

01:24:47.260 about like what you're talking about Trump doesn't help when he says it's a hoax because I don't think

01:24:50.960 I don't think Trump means the whole thing's a hoax I think he means Trump literally said that the

01:24:55.860 Clintons did it so dude don't definitely not good with his messaging but did he did he but did he

01:25:01.220 mean this is right Trump's messaging needs to get better I mean that's that's a tough ask I hear what

01:25:04.880 you're saying like your point he's I think he means this list and this fervor over you know

01:25:10.340 whatever's going on with him and people connected is a hoax manufactured outrage right but like there

01:25:15.480 is real things that happened but he's just blurting out it's a hoax and you're like well what do you

01:25:20.660 mean like Russia hoax because that was I think he literally said like Russia yeah he said he did say

01:25:26.300 is your interpretation of him saying that then that he means Epstein everything about Epstein is a hoax

01:25:33.440 even why he was in jail because that's insane I don't know what he means right he needs to say

01:25:39.840 that he needs to say that and I think that what he's doing is just trying to use tactics that have

01:25:47.200 worked in the past it's not looking good no it's not I think it's a mix of that I honestly do think

01:25:51.880 as we talk about this I think the play is confuse the hell out of people say one thing one day say a

01:25:58.800 different thing another day he's call it a hoax wait say no we have files oh no we don't have

01:26:03.020 files we have a truckload they're on my desk they're not there I think they're you're overwhelming

01:26:06.860 the system I think he's I don't think that's I don't think that I think that's what's happening

01:26:10.940 I don't think it's intentional and I think that it I think Trump doesn't do anything on accident

01:26:15.320 I don't know I think that Trump I think that Trump normally he goes by gut instinct and his

01:26:21.920 instincts have been absolutely phenomenal for the vast majority of his life and I think on this

01:26:27.340 particular topic his instincts are wrong and they're failing him and he doesn't know what to do

01:26:32.920 because his instincts have always served him so well I think they found something that they were

01:26:38.980 not expecting to find that makes it worse in my opinion and I don't think they found a nothing

01:26:44.460 burger and they just want us to move on I think there's something they found they can't talk about

01:26:47.240 right and um you know but the messaging I also do think to Kellan's point that there is a lot of this

01:26:53.060 I don't want to call it strategy and it's not from Trump I think it's Bondi maybe telling people

01:26:58.080 things or Barron well yeah I mean he is a time traveler you think he'd be better at it but like

01:27:02.980 why is Bondi saying one thing and Bongino and Cash saying other things oh I know they're in complete

01:27:07.660 conflict and then Cash is on Rogan talking about things Rogan's mentioning like things about the

01:27:12.980 Epstein case that Cash doesn't even know about I'm like dude how like how invested are you in this

01:27:16.900 like these are things that I thought we all knew well I see one of two possible like either they're just

01:27:21.540 lying they're just lying and they have to admit that they're lying or you guys are telling the

01:27:25.520 truth there's not there's nothing to see here with Epstein but you guys have such disconnect and

01:27:29.800 and and the administration is so dysfunctional where you've got the head of FBI saying one thing and

01:27:34.280 then Pam Bondi saying the opposite there needs to be change I'm not like I am not okay with this if

01:27:40.020 this truly is just like a messaging disaster internally people aren't talking to each other

01:27:43.880 communications breaking down I'm not okay with those people remaining in those positions oh yeah

01:27:48.620 it needs to be changed take that take that into the context of the whole administration right

01:27:53.260 you're like this particular issue has been terribly messaged what compare another one what's the point

01:27:59.460 that I'm making is this particular issue has been terribly messaged but if from the administration's

01:28:05.280 perspective they there's like we've done all this other stuff that's been great and all these other

01:28:10.460 things that have fallen right in line with the way we want and all these other things that we

01:28:14.000 promised have happened this one where this one isn't working out the way we wanted should we fire

01:28:19.320 people who've done great in other ways because when has when has the key pieces of the administration

01:28:24.840 been at odds with each other like this I can't remember another example I mean he's he has a history

01:28:29.500 of bad collaborators this this this second in the first term this second term only six months in

01:28:35.040 homie I know but you can't give it time dude there hasn't been another example of like Pam Bondi saying

01:28:40.880 the exact opposite of what Cash Patel is saying or Sean Duffy like what if you're talking about not

01:28:45.920 being just at odds with Trump but with each other dude yeah it's must be chaos you're gonna have to

01:28:50.620 like just buy into my idea that how Epstein is part of the deep state for this to matter uh because

01:28:56.300 that's just how I see this but Trump campaigning on taking down the deep state does matter and it

01:29:01.580 undoes his wins in my opinion because you're then just allowing this machine to keep going and this

01:29:07.480 is a machine that tried destroying Trump violently and with lawfare and that machine is against us

01:29:15.180 right that's what he was campaigning with that meme they're not after me they're after you I'm just in

01:29:19.320 the way right but now it's become it's not me it's you right and it's like wait this is we've all been

01:29:24.420 on this train with the we're trying to obliterate this you have to you have to you have to accept the

01:29:28.880 the premise that there is stuff going on yeah and I do all of the things even if there isn't let's say

01:29:35.740 let's say there isn't because there's two two and hold on the two the two points I'm making is

01:29:40.280 there there is error and they have had bad messaging yep or there's actually things going

01:29:49.140 on and the it's not error but it's miscommunication about how to present the information because they're

01:29:55.880 trying to cover up so those are the two the pattern of this country has been that they lie to us

01:30:01.400 and they hurt us at every possible turn that they can whether it's your children or you but

01:30:07.740 are Dan Bongino Cash Patel Donald Trump and Pam Bondi are those four people part of they it's very

01:30:14.740 possible okay it's very possible or they are so afraid that they can't do anything so then what

01:30:19.640 does that mean for my MAGA is there a is there a future for MAGA if they are part of quote unquote

01:30:24.700 I think that hurt since people are unwilling to accept just how evil it is in the way I see it

01:30:29.360 they will continue to vote MAGA ish but maybe give up on Trump well Trump I mean he can't do much else

01:30:34.800 now uh unless he does that third term which I don't think he has we're in it right now but like

01:30:38.880 I don't think people widespread in this country are going to give up their votes because they do

01:30:44.280 believe in MAGA me personally it is super disenfranchising although I've been disenfranchised

01:30:50.600 you know forever with the government and how they treat us but I was I was holding out a little bit

01:30:54.620 of hope for Trump to do what he was saying he was going to do considering how horrible they attacked

01:30:59.500 him all this time with all the lies Obama spied on him right like like it is insane spying on his

01:31:06.000 campaign the lawfare the violence uh throwing his lawyers in jail I mean this has to stop and if he's

01:31:11.980 out and then the left is that activated again which I think they are and they get back in then they just

01:31:15.840 have the reins to the machine again and then it's us all alone once again uh so it's why this is

01:31:20.440 important to me because Epstein is just a facet of the deep state that must be destroyed or exposed

01:31:25.720 like I'm I want to drag the demons into the daylight I know it's a tall ask because there's so many but

01:31:31.400 look at where we are we're watching we're watching him get shot at in Butler all these assassination

01:31:36.620 attempts it this doesn't stop American political violence is an American tradition has been going on

01:31:43.100 since the beginning and it doesn't stop and it's always shrouded in lies like we still don't I just had a

01:31:48.540 guy on the show um the Zapruder film the Zapruder film is a I think a fake right like you can look

01:31:54.760 into that and how the CIA manages the Zapruder film there's so many things we don't know about and

01:31:59.100 like they it's this pretend transparency that they all leak out but it's not because they like what

01:32:04.760 Epstein was doing and like other people like him they handle their handlers to the narrative

01:32:09.420 their handlers to extreme power and their part and they're complicit in destroying this country

01:32:14.260 and feeding off of our suffering and I think on there they need a scapegoat uh unfortunately it's

01:32:19.720 gotten that bad that if someone's not removed or they don't pin the blame at the very least on

01:32:23.860 someone for this messaging disaster because it's they're never going to admit that they lied to us

01:32:27.780 right which I think is the likely thing right and then what's the other scenario oh we are bad at

01:32:35.020 communicating with each other we can't give like actual messaging out to the public they can't

01:32:38.500 well you say they can't admit that they've lied to us could they admit that they're that the

01:32:42.800 reason that their messaging has been bad is because there were there were truths that they felt like

01:32:47.560 they did not have to tell us and now they see that they have to like could Trump come out and say

01:32:51.460 well look we were trying to hold this intelligence operation together or do this or this or this

01:32:56.040 or whatever protect innocent people but now now I see that the American people they demand more

01:33:01.300 extensive answers so we're going to give you more I mean that that sounds great but I think that's

01:33:05.880 a fantasy I don't think there's any reality where that I think you're right I think it would be

01:33:10.040 great but it's not it might matter to a lot of people to your point you talk about they need a

01:33:14.520 scapegoat I do I don't think the scapegoat I don't I don't think that there is any scapegoat that will

01:33:21.080 satisfy because Epstein himself was was supposed to be the architect of all this stuff and he's dead

01:33:28.640 and Ghislaine is in prison now not for the crimes again like my government like my bigger fire

01:33:34.040 Bondi or something right my bigger issue is not that the people are contesting the like the Epstein's

01:33:39.380 crimes it's the fact that we don't have the evidence we know it exists and we know they you know so

01:33:45.320 when you say the evidence evidence of what like what is the evidence that you know exists and what

01:33:51.900 hard drives computers calendars what is it planner what are you those are matters what is the evidence

01:33:58.460 well well we those things are not we heard things that are on them that are written this is where

01:34:02.460 it's going to be medium sure but it's like why not just show us that this is where it's good but

01:34:06.660 that's where it gets tough because we were told the FBI took all these videos of people with underage

01:34:13.300 girls from the Manhattan place were we told that or we were we told that he has no video I mean

01:34:19.640 because you can't trust the FBI so again okay we were told that we have been told there's video

01:34:25.380 of them hauling out there were cameras in the rooms and boxes what are in the dental chairs you know

01:34:29.520 that that was the story you know so but then you can't release that video because I don't want no

01:34:34.760 no the videos if I understand correctly those videos that you're referring to were videos of public

01:34:39.260 spaces not in the rooms I heard it was part of his uh in in the Manhattan apartment but even still

01:34:46.420 those would have been like they were like in the hallways not in the actual rooms if that

01:34:49.440 is that I don't know I I mean this might be the Mandela effect but I remember like holes in the

01:34:54.300 walls with cameras uh that they reported on but again it's like this whole thing is so misreported

01:34:59.560 it's hard to know but that's how I remember people having uh like a vault of footage of alleged clients

01:35:06.360 for the blackmail what was with the recent I mean there was the recent FBI disclosure right that uh or

01:35:11.420 was the justice department that prior to this whole controversy that there were a thousand

01:35:15.640 victims they had upped the the number to a thousand so they say you know and and then they

01:35:21.260 and then it's this is where it gets all crazy because you know someone like Virginia Goufray who

01:35:25.700 just died she said that Ehud Barak uh abused her of course her credibility here's the this is the

01:35:32.620 other thing it's complicated Megyn Kelly is it was one who's pointed this out uh is that Virginia

01:35:37.740 Goufray and a number of the other accusers and uh have lied about some things or it's it's been

01:35:43.320 demonstrated at least they were dishonest and uh and and this was something that Dershowitz pointed

01:35:47.720 out as well when he's you know when he said that uh there were files that had not been released and

01:35:52.500 it turns out he was talking about evidence of the the duplicity of the accusers right so yeah well

01:35:58.580 Dershowitz I love when he wrote a book defending Bill Clinton and Monica Williams' sex scandal and I

01:36:02.900 love when Newsweek cover that story up yeah I know he's not the most credible yeah uh and he's also

01:36:06.260 pals with Epstein too right but that's the I mean that's kind of the point like or this this stuff that

01:36:12.360 we're talking about the there's always there's always more conspiracy there's always you know

01:36:19.760 conspiracies live in conspiracies live in the information that we don't have they live in the

01:36:25.640 cracks a lack of transparency exactly and well not just a lack of transparency but as long as someone

01:36:29.960 can say this and this and there's space in between and that is where I'm gonna fill in my

01:36:35.620 my information right but that I think that's the normalcy bias we should have honestly because

01:36:40.120 that's the way this country operates in terms of the way they brainstorm all these ridiculous

01:36:45.360 operations whether it's mind control I mean this is all documented stuff so if you have a normalcy

01:36:50.700 bias your normalcy bias should be rooted in the fact that they are constantly plotting against us

01:36:55.240 operation sea spray bio warfare you know the MK ultra stuff Charles Manson's ties to CIA this is just

01:37:02.160 the norm so like people got mad at me on Monday when Tim asked you know would you do it if it meant

01:37:06.940 communism would happen which is you know a crazy hypothetical but I said we do it no matter what

01:37:12.040 would you do what Tim asked me on Monday night on IRL would you like expose everything with Epstein

01:37:18.540 even if that like destabilized the entire country and led to communism to which my reply is to a lot of

01:37:24.280 these angry messages I got the country's already destabilized it's we're already living living under

01:37:29.160 violent tyrants it's just it's just modern barbarism and it doesn't look like what you think of as a

01:37:34.380 Pol Pot which we did fund Carter funded Pol Pot you know it's like we are violent and insane I had

01:37:39.780 that thought like what Estine died in 2019 yeah was it 2019 is kind of like when the world broke

01:37:46.360 COVID and I was like what if for some weird effed up reason he Epstein in this operation was somehow

01:37:52.300 holding everything to get holding the veil up how many times on how many times on IRL have I said I

01:37:57.280 think COVID is connected to Epstein right I think they shut the world down because of Epstein because I

01:38:01.320 think this is deeply yeah I love it he looks surprised every time I say it I told you so

01:38:05.800 many times timing is crazy dude they shut down the world with a fake virus like this is and they tried

01:38:11.660 lying about us with a bat soup what do you mean by fake virus I mean they they told us we were all

01:38:17.160 gonna die six feet separation locked down countries it was so fake so so the it was the flu are you saying

01:38:25.080 that COVID didn't happen COVID was the flu I think I think Shane is saying the response was not

01:38:32.360 appropriate yeah my state locked down Cuomo threw sick people with the flu into nursing homes tens of

01:38:40.500 thousands of people died small businesses totally destroyed okay you know so that's what I'm saying

01:38:46.180 but like I do think that there was a connection between Epstein dying that was like when Epstein went to

01:38:51.760 jail we were all united for a brief amount of time with the joke of well Clinton's gonna get him

01:38:56.080 you know like that was the thing on Twitter someone keep him alive right and then sure enough he quote

01:39:01.960 unquote killed himself but I I personally think that this stuff is a deep ancient evil that operates

01:39:08.940 around the whole world and COVID was a way to get back at Trump and to put everything back in the

01:39:13.100 bottle and everyone was sent home you couldn't work you were forced to do certain things you shouldn't

01:39:17.780 have to do to your body to keep your job especially if you were a cop or ER you know working in emergency

01:39:22.840 rooms hospitals doctors uh soldiers I that's you know in my crazy opinion but I'm just I'm just an

01:39:29.820 insane it is weird that the world just kind of all went mad in that same one to two year period I mean

01:39:34.940 giant I thought that the world went mad in 2012 at the end of the mind calendar well you know I've heard

01:39:39.820 people Y2K or the fall of man I would say your math was a little bit off so you know I think that the also the

01:39:46.060 advancement of technology and social media and stuff in congruence or in conjunction with uh

01:39:51.580 COVID like it it does yeah and and on the same thing we were talking about conspiracy theories now

01:39:56.340 you just have access to so much information it used to be 20 years ago even if someone was

01:40:00.760 more conspiracy minded you had to search out books you had to go to the library uh you had to watch an

01:40:06.440 Oliver Stone film or whatever right and now it's just you you're you're inundated with it even if you

01:40:10.700 don't want to there's so many times when I'm scrolling on Twitter and I think I don't want to read all this

01:40:14.040 crap right now but it's still coming at you right yes it's inescapable but just because people weren't

01:40:20.080 worried about it years ago doesn't mean it wasn't happening you know and I think now we are more

01:40:23.640 attuned to it and but you also have to be very aware of being manipulated by people who want you

01:40:28.880 to go deeper and crazier you know as someone who is you know borderline insane uh like I do have to

01:40:34.200 worry about like everything that might confirm whatever biases I might have and I you know you'll see it

01:40:39.380 whether it's on podcasts mainstream news there's little narratives that are seeded in there that I

01:40:43.900 think are putting we know about operation mockingbird we know the government tries to manipulate the news

01:40:48.140 uh and it's not just ours you know you can look up Yuri Bezmenov talking about how you destabilize

01:40:52.360 an entire nation that's literally what they do uh and we hire them sometimes but Bezmenov was saying

01:40:58.580 that's what communists do to try to we do it here too for sure so Bezmenov's argument was communists

01:41:05.000 want to destabilize western countries so that way communists can take over right why would people

01:41:12.180 that currently control the world control the west say the United States why would they try to

01:41:19.940 destabilize the United States I mean I mean I don't know why because I think uh I think our

01:41:25.940 universities are completely controlled by Marxists yeah you know their their idea I guess would be

01:41:32.520 what the Marxist dream is to turn it into their idea of a paradise a utopia totally a heaven on earth

01:41:37.240 it's anti-god uh so that is probably part of it but it's it's in my opinion we are living in a weird

01:41:43.440 post-world two era where we hired operation paperclip nazis and then they ran our government

01:41:49.580 and and created nasa and then we filled the universities with marxists and they're they're

01:41:55.440 directly opposed right but they're they are in control I think the nazis only went to uh the

01:42:01.020 science department no no I think they're not the no they only went into architecture science I think

01:42:07.180 they did a lot at the science department like they worked on rockets and stuff like that I think the

01:42:11.800 communists were were actually far more influential in the government and I think that the and I think

01:42:17.480 part of too what's what's going on with the Epstein with the furor over this is that even if people

01:42:21.220 don't have don't have an allegiance to say all the conspiracy theories that maybe Shane does no offense

01:42:26.900 there still is just a pervasive feeling that there's there's so much going more going on in

01:42:32.320 the world and in our government and so much more evil than we perceive and so all it takes then is

01:42:37.600 something like this where our leaders start behaving in a way that seems completely illogical it's like

01:42:41.800 what is Trump doing why is he attacking his base etc to then make people think well maybe there is

01:42:47.120 something to this idea that uh that there's there's an evil web of connections look at time magazine

01:42:53.520 february 2020 the article about the secret cabal of people who helped to oh yeah the election like

01:43:00.680 that's just one like mainstream example of how corporations influencers politicians all work

01:43:07.520 together jake tapper book and biden oh yeah that's great too like this is and that's just like upper

01:43:12.100 level surface level stuff you know low hanging fruit yeah uh so that's why my normalcy bias is rooted

01:43:17.880 in that they're always working against us and they're always lying to us Shane do you think that

01:43:21.840 do you if you had to guess yes is that where you're going now i was gonna ask do you there's

01:43:27.840 something up there there is something up there yeah it's just not what we think it is if you if

01:43:31.180 someone put a gun to your head and said you had to say do you think that Trump is covering for

01:43:35.260 himself if you had to guess or do you think i would say no no my gut says no yeah i don't think

01:43:39.700 so i mean i'm inclined the things people could look up online are weird for sure i mean he was with

01:43:44.780 robert maxwell but trump and robert maxwell have really like it had some sort of relationship

01:43:49.120 that's weird but i don't think he's can you clarify the question so i'm just asking does he

01:43:53.480 think that this that that trump's failure here is pr failure failure failure of managing this is

01:44:00.260 stemming from a place of that that trump is actually implicated in having sex what does that mean oh so

01:44:06.380 you're having sex with minors i know i don't think that's true like supermodels aware of exactly what

01:44:12.040 epstein was up to oh yeah i think yes i mean he kicked him out of his florida have that story out of

01:44:17.360 mar-a-lago i think trump definitely knows at least has a somewhat understanding of how deep this goes

01:44:23.580 yeah and maybe it's his friends maybe it's stuff maybe it's like tim's theory maybe it's people

01:44:28.860 that are literally running this country and if you arrest them all shit breaks down he should be okay

01:44:33.620 with arresting them all if he if he found out it's his friends and they are degenerates like that then

01:44:38.020 he should be totally fine with throwing them in prison forever society will go on too this is

01:44:42.340 something i went on megan mccain's show a week ago and she said it she said people are saying

01:44:47.740 there's there's this idea that if if we released the list or the evidence of people who are implicated

01:44:54.220 then there would be mass hysteria because so many people would be implicated there's not going to be

01:44:57.560 mass hysteria that's like a kind of a narcissistic cop-out you're arguing with a narcissist and they're

01:45:01.100 like don't get mad or anything people know that there are aliens visiting our planet nobody gives a

01:45:05.980 shit you know and so i think life can go on i think the thing is i don't think there are aliens

01:45:10.700 visiting our planet but go ahead you don't actually no we'll have to do another episode on this yeah

01:45:14.520 we have lots of opinions in this room so you completely don't believe in that what i believe

01:45:17.600 there i believe there are aliens i don't think i don't think they're not flying around the sky

01:45:20.820 because the distances are just so so vast people you guys are crazy you guys are crazy i've i've seen

01:45:28.460 adam shift in person i know for sure there are aliens in this place but uh but i don't think there

01:45:35.400 will be mass hysteria either they'll probably mass like anger yeah exactly people people like bill

01:45:40.800 like bill gates say he was implicated which it doesn't seem like to you his wife is all but said

01:45:45.660 that he was doing shady shit with epstein she keeps bringing that up in her like divorce tour

01:45:49.340 michelle obama that could be her trying and i hate to even defend bill gates but what that is her trying

01:45:53.880 to win over you know public sentiment i'm not a big fan of melinda either i mean bill gates should be

01:45:58.920 sent to the fake moon in my opinion but even let's say people found out though that bill gates and people

01:46:03.800 of his ilk were implicated with epstein in his crimes people would jeer it would be it would be a topic

01:46:11.320 of conversation but nothing's going to happen it's not going to destabilize we're not going to stop

01:46:15.120 buying microsoft products i mean right and the other sad reality is i feel like that's kind of the kind

01:46:20.000 of like the point like with the whole maga stuff that we're talking about right so the you know the

01:46:24.840 question at hand is is epstein going to fracture mag and destroy it like people hate on bill gates they

01:46:30.920 think that he's trying to change the weather by farmland yes and try to let me get through this

01:46:36.100 i'm sorry phil but he is just just i i know i know hyperactive child i know i know you like get

01:46:43.680 excited over the table not to jump over the table the point that i'm making is like everybody there's

01:46:49.080 so many people that have so many things to say about bill gates and people in positions of power but

01:46:52.360 they're still buying microsoft stuff no that's true they're still they're still living their lives

01:46:57.220 because the most important thing to people are their own lives and whereas they'll go ahead and

01:47:02.800 watch this stuff and they'll watch the show and they'll say look this matters to me and they'll

01:47:06.260 jump in the chat and they'll be all all kinds of vocal and stuff at the end of the day this is why i

01:47:11.120 think that the economy is what is the most important thing when it comes to voting at the end of the day

01:47:16.060 the things that affect people's wallets their immediate family and their lives are the things that

01:47:22.580 motivate them to actually go and vote what i think i think you're right i think the short-term

01:47:26.840 consequences will get the people voting but my worry is the long-term consequences of this

01:47:32.460 invisible sinister network running the country and my children and their children inheriting that world

01:47:38.780 but then on top of that which is not i'm not i don't believe in black pills but i do think you get

01:47:43.880 rid of but i don't believe in black pills you've been doling out black pills all day all day no no i those

01:47:52.600 are white pills because i understand them it's just reality there are interdimensional vampire

01:47:56.680 demons that are running our country and trying so glad i know that's a white it's a black pill if

01:48:00.840 you don't if you don't know that that's happening uh and i also have i also have faith in christ and

01:48:05.380 that is my white pill but like all right so but but that is a white pill like that is a white so like

01:48:10.820 the evil to me is is defeatable but on this fallen planet you know you get rid of epstein whoever's

01:48:17.240 controlling him there's always gonna it's like a pez dispenser another one's gonna pop up uh but we

01:48:21.880 i that's why i think these are white pills to understand how nefarious all of this is and uh

01:48:27.100 you know i'm not gonna change the world or you know defeat it but i think everyone talking about it

01:48:33.340 does help uh because these people go to great lengths to shut you up right people who investigate

01:48:38.800 these things whether it's maxwell himself implicated with the promise scandal epstein whatever

01:48:44.740 happened with him the people looking into something like the franklin scandal which was a horrible

01:48:49.200 thing with children they will come after you you're threatened vanity fair in 2002 so people in the

01:48:54.480 chat are threatening me right now bro guys don't do that i did not pay for the bots to threaten you

01:48:59.340 that's that was an extra about i'm not following because i'm because i'm because i'm playing devil's

01:49:03.820 advocate no that's good the fact that i would chat is totally energized on the on on the anti-trump

01:49:09.100 narrative right well they're they're just they're they believe well jet nine i'm not going to say

01:49:13.040 legit they because there's different who's they there are people that's exactly what i'm talking

01:49:18.520 about um who's they though um that that's yeah but the point is like people really do get animated

01:49:26.880 this stuff and get upset especially well that's what happens when you're called a weakling by a man

01:49:31.540 that you have supported i didn't call anyone i'm talking about trump though i'm saying well okay but

01:49:36.280 they think you're speaking i think you're they think you're coming off as naive even though it's on

01:49:39.560 purpose for the sake of the conversation yeah i mean exactly but the thing is if you if you but

01:49:44.400 this is part of my point if you don't confirm people's biases they get upset right and i think

01:49:51.900 that i think no matter what donald trump and the administration release people are not going to

01:49:58.700 like it and they're going to be upset when it comes to the committed people that already believe and i think

01:50:03.980 that this whole conversation all of the stuff we're talking about people have their opinion they

01:50:09.540 believe whatever it may be and that is not going to change no matter what the administration

01:50:15.320 says no matter how donald and and this is not to say that the administration has handled this well

01:50:20.180 because i think they've blown it as as badly as they possibly could this is the worst handled topic

01:50:26.140 that they have throughout both of his presidencies right so his first administration and second

01:50:31.580 this is the worst they've performed and i think that but even in spite of that or with that taken

01:50:37.720 into account people are not going to be satisfied because the two things that they the two things

01:50:43.640 that that animate people the most are the the idea that israel controls the united states and epstein is

01:50:50.900 the key to that right and then that epstein was a child trafficker and he's hurt children and there

01:50:59.300 are other people involved that hurt children those two things animate people more than you know most other

01:51:04.620 topics going to matter it'll matter for some people when it matters like everyone like when trump was

01:51:10.240 running for the second term everyone knew his life was in danger but when at uh butler pa when that

01:51:15.860 shot rang out people were like holy shit like you you knew it was always a possibility but when that

01:51:21.240 happened you're like oh my god so i think the same thing if they release a smoking gun that implicates

01:51:26.100 someone uh you know take your pick and people like holy shit he was doing that on the island or he was

01:51:31.880 doing that with it i think that's when people would be like okay now this this is real it's in front of

01:51:36.540 me now people are actually they're not just pissed now they're energized now they're motivated i mean i

01:51:41.080 would like to see it i would like i don't know if it exists and also again like it's not a it's it's not

01:51:46.580 a homogenous group of people that have an issue right now with the way trump the administration is

01:51:51.400 handling this yes there are some people who are super energized on the israel stuff and all that i'm not

01:51:55.580 one of those but there are also i i think a lot of people like me who again are not super invest

01:52:01.040 invested in some of these narratives but who have just found trump's behavior and his administration's

01:52:06.700 behavior and their pr so inexplicable and so obnoxious that we're riled up i think that i could be

01:52:13.820 pacified if the pr strategy changed i really do if trump were to come out and do like a full court

01:52:20.120 press conference and he had bondi and patel and cat and and bongino standing up there with him

01:52:25.380 and he got real with the american people and dropped the snark and the anger and the condescension i do

01:52:31.160 think it could have an effect i'd be happy if they got rid of the irs while the atf candace owens

01:52:37.320 mentioned that just just take out the income get rid of the federal reserve and all those that would

01:52:41.880 be great to go away all the things everybody talks about like get rid of this administration or this

01:52:45.920 organization this this bureaucracy that bureaucracy get rid of the fed and they all go away

01:52:49.460 100 what's the consensus epstein kind of matters to normies would you guys say that's fair no no

01:52:56.800 epstein doesn't to to the average person that's not politically you know politically involved and

01:53:03.320 not even just politically involved remember because like this kind of stuff is kind of a niche thing like

01:53:08.520 but the average the average person it doesn't matter the p the most people that watch you know that

01:53:14.940 are they would consider themselves normies that are into normal politics uh this is a tertiary topic

01:53:21.620 to them and and for the very very emotionally invested and committed minority it's something

01:53:30.180 that they're probably never i disagree i think i i agree with you about how it's not it might not change

01:53:35.700 people's votes but i disagree that people even normies however you wanted to find that care deeply

01:53:44.220 about it even on a surface level even though they don't know anything beyond the story of epstein

01:53:49.100 being in jail for trafficking or galane being in jail for trafficking as well i think they're like this

01:53:54.120 is emblematic of something that's horrible i mean so many people have been abused as a child you know

01:54:00.220 this is something that unfortunately a ton of people can relate to you were talking about just hundreds

01:54:04.060 of children rescued just like in the past few months and that's just two operations i think

01:54:09.200 people see epstein as uh some sort of face to something much bigger not into maybe the sense

01:54:14.760 i'm talking about big like the deep state and visual invisible network of things it's like a signifier

01:54:19.560 of something of something larger than i think they can't let that go i don't think it'll change many

01:54:23.740 votes maybe it will we'll see how things are gonna i think we're far from done from this story

01:54:28.100 but i think uh people do really care the other thing too is that it also maybe it has

01:54:33.860 less of an effect on the faithful so to speak or the maga but but there are also a lot of moderates

01:54:39.960 who take from to some degree i think take cues from maga in other words like well look even even

01:54:48.180 now trump's people are thinking he's corrupt even trump's fans are turning on him there must be

01:54:52.260 something here and so i have friends who are not republicans they're not conservatives they're not

01:54:56.840 right-wingers they're not trump supporters but they could perhaps be induced to vote for him if they

01:55:01.380 you know if the alternative was not to their taste but they're looking at this and they're like

01:55:06.300 wow even his base is turning on him his base thinks that he might have had sex with minors and stuff

01:55:11.400 this is you know i think it could have an effect you know phil always go ahead a friend of mine just

01:55:15.480 text me and uh and his name will i'll keep his name out of this but he's he straight up said i honestly

01:55:20.280 can tell you that if i asked my brother who jeffrey epstein was he would look at me with a deer in a

01:55:25.020 headlight look and he's as average an american as you can get i think we need to ask him who jeffrey

01:55:30.420 i have so many different experiences and i know i talk to a lot of different types of people but

01:55:34.720 like i do have normal people in my life i don't talk about the moon or other things that certainly

01:55:39.280 care that's because they would stop talking to you a week ago they care more about me voting for trump

01:55:44.780 than i they probably care about me not thinking the moon we could go and i agree with your friends

01:55:48.500 uh take on it but when shane gillis got up there at the espies in front of the nash the whole country

01:55:54.460 that changes gervais at the academy i think that the the jokes that chain gillis that first of all

01:56:00.400 they were great it was hilarious but second of all i think that that epstein like the the phrase epstein

01:56:05.700 didn't kill himself is a meme more than anything else and i think that and it is a an allegory for

01:56:14.200 you can't believe what the government says which that is a general consensus with the american people

01:56:19.720 most people are kind of like wow you know the government lies everybody kind of has that kind of idea

01:56:23.380 and so i think that the the jokes that shane gillis were making or was making i think those tap into

01:56:29.440 that sentiment yeah but but it is i would say but i would say that it's it is a highly charged signifier

01:56:35.340 and it's becoming increasingly so for a larger idea of of corruption of high of of our leaders and the

01:56:44.860 elite being held to different standards than we are and and and of all these things and it's just

01:56:49.500 going to become more and more highly charged until i feel like a trump tries to to deal with this so

01:56:54.900 i don't know that's my opinion i don't think that trump can can diffuse it because i don't think so

01:56:59.240 either and i and the reason i think that he can is because is because just of confirmation well and

01:57:04.700 perhaps and and i think that perhaps maybe he could have diffused it like i said better if he had

01:57:09.020 tackled this or it had a better approach early on but he is he is in danger of falling into a kind

01:57:13.600 of the pr death spiral i just want to see trials i want to see people close to uh epstein get on the

01:57:20.580 stand and talk about it at length and be grilled about it no one's ever talked to lex wessner about

01:57:25.320 why epstein was given so much power she wants to talk it's yeah let her talk i mean be skeptical of

01:57:31.900 everything these people are saying uh but like why hasn't anyone talked to lex wessner i want to know

01:57:37.220 i when you mentioned lex wessner like i want more people to look into where epstein was getting his

01:57:42.780 money where the money you know the the why was he a billionaire that's a great point that's a great

01:57:47.680 point and this is another angle on why this is so deranged what the judge looking into the strange

01:57:52.700 money the reason i said your bank yeah yeah the reason i say that stuff is because the amounts of

01:57:57.760 money that jeff repstein was was spending and stuff you can't hide that that isn't some it's not like

01:58:03.600 you you these kind of there there are financial statements there are definitely people that have

01:58:09.300 given him that kind of money that there's financing from banks all of that stuff is you know it's all

01:58:15.040 um it can all be what's the word i'm looking for they can all be subpoenaed and it can all be be

01:58:20.200 brought to light possibly for you i'm not sure the details but all of that information can be brought

01:58:25.600 to light i don't know why there aren't journalists and and people even people that are in the that would

01:58:31.500 be in the quote-unquote conspiracy space why aren't they go doing everything they can to get every

01:58:37.140 bit of information about how the who was giving money to epstein i mean there are some things you

01:58:42.760 could look up like the lex westner stuff like why i mean lex westner gave him power of attorney for 16

01:58:47.620 years so i was going to say in this bio that i read in vanity fair from 2003 or whatever it was it got

01:58:53.920 into this and apparently now this could just be uh propaganda but apparently originally epstein made

01:58:59.980 his money by performing a service for billionaires where he specialized in getting the billionaires

01:59:06.920 financial house in order in other words what he what he says in this article is that as people

01:59:11.240 acquire more wealth they tend to do it in a sort of um a sort of disorganized fashion it's like you

01:59:17.440 start off with a small house and then you keep adding on to it and you've got all this like kind

01:59:20.720 of random stuff here and there and so he specialized in sort of taking all of the disparate aspects of

01:59:26.100 some of a billionaire's financial matrix and sort of bringing it into line now that could just be bs

01:59:30.420 i know we're running out of time quickly i just want to say two things real quick once one thing

01:59:33.860 about the vanity fair thing i think that's a completely compromised article you know when

01:59:37.560 they were talking when when that writer um what's her name carter i don't remember her name uh she was

01:59:42.540 looking into him and seeing all these connections and then finding about the allegations he threatened

01:59:46.600 vanity fair epstein threatened vanity fair there was a decapitated cat and a bullet left outside of

01:59:51.580 grayden carter's apartment who was running vanity fair they totally took out everything bad like really

01:59:56.900 bad from the article killed that story so you know that's bizarre that's huge that's conduitized right

02:00:02.760 and then and then what phil's talking about with the money and finding that there was an investigation

02:00:07.500 to that it was in the courts they were looking into his deutsche bank whatever's going on there

02:00:11.240 someone showed up to that house of that judge dressed as a fedex employee and assassinated her son

02:00:15.980 you know that's what i'm saying like you get close to this thing they take your life or they destroy

02:00:21.780 you in other ways and it's not everyone because like look there's a billion podcasts talking about all the time but

02:00:25.300 yeah yeah all right well so um colonel kurtz do you have any last thoughts or anything on this

02:00:31.680 just uh i'm glad that this this went better than my last visit here when i had to hold my hand over

02:00:37.300 my eye the whole time i scratched my eye yes yes much better so everybody i i i'm glad to be here and

02:00:43.940 yes the the shirt is a joke y'all it's just some satire don't crucify me over it uh but check out my

02:00:49.000 channel i'm on all platforms colonel kurtz 99 i focus mostly on me too hoaxes but i get into politics

02:00:54.120 philosophy all kinds of stuff i've had kurtz on my show we've had great conversations i've been on

02:01:00.080 your show a bunch love talking to you it's always fun um this is fun thank you guys i'm glad my bots

02:01:05.380 were going on no i'm just kidding phil i did not do that uh you can find me at inverted world live

02:01:09.980 on youtube and rumble every night monday through thursday at 10 o'clock uh eastern p.m eastern time

02:01:15.840 again last night we had a great conversation with six seven kevin and his documentary that's coming out

02:01:21.200 on this channel on rumble on monday it's incredible so find me there you can find me

02:01:26.980 at shane cashman everywhere else online um yeah i will second that uh documentary maybe we were

02:01:32.240 talking about epstein all the human trafficking it it hasn't gone away with epstein it's still

02:01:36.900 very much a problem when it comes to mass migration to the united states that gets touched on in the

02:01:41.760 documentary um rumble 6 p.m on this channel you can watch it 6 p.m on monday watch the documentary my

02:01:48.880 name is kellen you guys can follow me at kellen pdl thank you guys for having me on the panel today

02:01:52.660 shout out tate for producing um yeah thanks guys i am uh phil that remains on twix you can send me

02:01:59.800 all of your upset tweets there uh and make sure that you i appreciate you doing such a great this

02:02:05.780 was so much fun dude it was awesome great conversation um make sure that you all come back

02:02:09.920 right here tonight at 8 p.m for timcast irl live i will be hosting because tim

02:02:16.020 is a way uh doing personal things but uh we would love to have you so until then we'll see you later

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The Culture War - Tim Pool

Epstein Scandal WON'T GO AWAY, Does Epstein MATTER To MAGA？ w⧸ Colonel Kurtz & Shane Cashman

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