The Culture War - Tim Pool - Ex-USAID Official EXPOSES Corruption, Trump & Elon GUT Deep State w⧸ Catharine O'Neill, Texas Lindsay, & Ryan Matta

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00:01:23.760 Over the past week, Democrats have been apoplectic.

00:01:38.200 They're outraged that USAID, which they call USAID, is being gutted.

00:01:44.680 They're reporting that as of today, there's only going to be about 290 people actually working there because somewhere around 12,700 people will be placed on leave.

00:01:55.260 We don't know for sure exactly how it's going to go down, but apparently, according to NPR and a few other outlets, Marco Rubio was like,

00:02:02.240 nah, we're not going to keep these people around, and Trump and Elon, they're saying it should be shut down completely.

00:02:08.640 Now, depending on what you read, if you watch The Daily Show, for instance, they're going to tell you that USAID, they call it, is foreign aid.

00:02:15.580 Why would Trump want to stop foreign aid, and there are actually people outside in the streets protesting, saying, we want foreign aid.

00:02:22.700 And then if you actually read what's going on from people who are in the know, yeah, this is more likely to be some kind of money laundering scheme, perhaps.

00:02:31.820 Maybe it wasn't always, but you take a look at how some nonprofits that are doing, I think, what were they doing, a transgender puppet show? 1.00

00:02:39.640 No, no, a transgender opera in Ireland. People are wondering, $1.5 million, why are we spending that money?

00:02:47.600 Well, many people are pointing out that this money will go to nonprofits.

00:02:51.100 The nonprofits then basically fund the extravagant livelihoods of people who live in the D.C. area, who then dump tons of money into Democrat campaigns.

00:02:59.380 I don't think it's all just Democrats. I think it was largely deep state, neocons, you know, Democratic establishment.

00:03:05.220 But since Trump came in, the Republican Party has been kind of different.

00:03:08.080 So we will get to the bottom of this and figure it out. Before we do, my friends, make sure you buy some cast brew coffee, of course.

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00:03:19.580 Smash that like button. Share the show. Welcome to the culture war. 0.98

00:03:22.620 We've got a bunch of really amazing guests. Let's start right over here. Sir, who are you and what do you do?

00:03:27.220 Ryan Metta, documentary filmmaker, investigative journalist.

00:03:30.180 Right on. OK, so you know a bit about USAID?

00:03:32.880 A little bit.

00:03:33.380 All right, a little bit. We have another wonderful guest.

00:03:35.360 I'm Lindsay Penny, formerly Texas Lindsay, was my famous handle before until I moved out of Texas.

00:03:42.040 And I am also an investigative journalist.

00:03:44.280 Right on. And then last but not least.

00:03:46.440 Hello, everyone. I'm Catherine O'Neill Gillihan.

00:03:49.100 I am the CEO of a beef company, Merriweather Farms in Wyoming.

00:03:53.400 However, I worked at both the State Department and USAID during Trump's first term.

00:03:59.780 You want to just grab that mic, pull it up a little bit closer.

00:04:01.420 Yeah, sorry.

00:04:01.580 So so you you you know all the secrets, then, don't you?

00:04:04.600 I know. I know a few.

00:04:05.860 A few secrets. Well, let's just let's just get into it.

00:04:08.900 What is this thing? What is what?

00:04:10.440 Why is it so controversial?

00:04:12.640 Why does Trump and Elon?

00:04:14.240 Why do they want to shut it down?

00:04:16.520 And why are Democrats trying to resist that?

00:04:19.820 I'll take I'll jump in there.

00:04:21.180 So USAID is the money laundering arm of the CIA, basically.

00:04:24.640 Right. It's the linchpin that connects our State Department, the Department of Defense and the CIA.

00:04:29.220 Its budget is twice that of the State Department and the CIA.

00:04:34.300 So what number is that then?

00:04:35.820 I think it's 50 billion.

00:04:36.820 Fifty billion dollars a year budget.

00:04:38.840 Wow.

00:04:39.040 Yeah. So USAID goes into third world countries over a 10, 20, 30 year period, and they use NGO structures like you would use offshore bank accounts.

00:04:51.180 Basically, they use an NGO.

00:04:52.840 They fund an NGO that funds an NGO that funds an NGO that carries out their dirty work, basically.

00:04:57.280 And Lindsay, you guys can jump in on that.

00:04:58.860 And it's absolutely correct.

00:05:00.840 And I think one of the reasons that Elon is so adamant to go after them, especially one of the first things for Doge to attack, is because they were the ones that were funding the censorship industrial complex.

00:05:10.920 And, you know, they went to war with Elon, with the advertiser boycott ban.

00:05:15.580 And that was literally funded by USAID.

00:05:18.700 Wow.

00:05:19.060 It was funding the NGOs that was funding.

00:05:21.440 They even funded Media Matters.

00:05:22.920 They funded Politico.

00:05:23.720 What, really?

00:05:24.460 Yeah, absolutely.

00:05:25.160 USAID gave money to Media Matters?

00:05:26.680 They also gave money to Pfizer.

00:05:27.800 Out of the top 10 recipients, number two on the list of USAID was Pfizer.

00:05:34.140 So it's insane that our U.S. tax dollars are going to not only funding these overthrowing of governments in other countries, but it's also funding now NGOs and having them do the work that they themselves cannot do.

00:05:47.780 When you have a non-governmental agency that comes in to censor people, but it's being funded by a CIA cutout, it's because the CIA can't do that.

00:05:55.600 It would violate the Constitution, the First Amendment rights.

00:05:58.820 But when an NGO does it and you have all these other universities and institutions that are joining together to collude and come up with a scheme and plan to censor the American people.

00:06:11.260 It wasn't just during COVID, it wasn't just during COVID, but it was also during the 2020 election where they started to form a plan to censor anything about mail-in ballots before mail-in ballots was even talked about by anybody and no one even knew anything about it.

00:06:25.200 So they were already putting together a scheme of academics and these NGOs and all of these former CIA directors on these boards were forming a plan before it was even a known issue for the American people of how they were going to censor them and how they were going to keep them quiet when all these mail-in ballots became an issue.

00:06:46.700 So it's a scandal of the century for sure.

00:06:49.860 So when you were there, what were they doing and what did you know about?

00:06:54.540 Yeah, so I spent most of my time at the State Department.

00:06:58.080 So I'm so sorry.

00:06:59.860 Yeah, you can pull it way up.

00:07:01.200 Way up.

00:07:01.920 Okay.

00:07:02.540 Yeah.

00:07:02.800 So I spent most of my time at the State Department.

00:07:06.200 But in 2016, I was on the transition team.

00:07:09.820 So I was responsible for combing through all of the congressional budget certifications and going through the line items and identifying kind of some of these issues that we've realized now.

00:07:21.100 But, you know, the momentum from the outside of pressuring these agencies or cutting them wasn't there.

00:07:28.220 So I had nobody to go to, really.

00:07:30.260 So here I was, you know, 23-year-old looking through all these numbers, but there was no one in the administration at the time that was really willing to cut them.

00:07:40.540 So I spent three years at the State Department in kind of the humanitarian area.

00:07:46.640 And then I went back to the campaign in 2020.

00:07:50.480 And then John McEntee, I don't know if you guys have heard about him, he called me when I was on the campaign.

00:07:55.380 He's like, Catherine, you've got to come back to USAID.

00:07:58.740 We've got to shut it down.

00:08:02.020 What year was that, sorry?

00:08:03.140 That was 2020.

00:08:04.200 Wow.

00:08:05.240 So because I had spent three years at the State Department, so I had a lot of experience there.

00:08:09.300 And he was assembling a team for the second term because, you know, the first term there were a lot of issues with personnel.

00:08:16.540 Unfortunately, Trump didn't know who to trust.

00:08:18.620 So he brought in a lot of people that he thought were good but ended up not being good.

00:08:23.220 So John called me and asked me to come back and be the White House liaison and staff the agency with people that were actually going to execute Trump's agenda.

00:08:32.680 Unfortunately, you know, I showed up November, what was it, 6th of 2020, the day after the election.

00:08:39.960 And there were so many people already there in place that just didn't want to change, didn't want to leave.

00:08:46.220 And we just didn't have the top cover we needed, unfortunately.

00:08:49.320 So we weren't able to accomplish what we wanted to accomplish.

00:08:52.700 So there was an effort in 2020 to dismantle USAID?

00:08:58.120 Well, it was, yes, absolutely.

00:09:00.860 But we just, we didn't have, the climate wasn't there, you know.

00:09:05.640 There weren't people from the outside like you guys talking about all this crazy stuff.

00:09:10.000 So we didn't have the momentum that we have now to do what we wanted to do.

00:09:15.360 Wow.

00:09:16.060 So that says to me that when Elon started talking with Trump, Elon Vivek about Doge, which I can't believe he actually got that name through.

00:09:24.600 It's amazing.

00:09:25.060 It sounds like Trump already had this intention with the funding of, I did read that there was this coordinated, excuse me, coordinated advertiser boycott against Axe, where they were trying, they were trying, they were literally pressuring all these companies to drop their ads.

00:09:41.340 And USAID was funding some of those NGOs that were pushing for that.

00:09:45.580 Sounds like Elon got pissed, talked to Trump.

00:09:48.140 Trump said, we're trying to get rid of it.

00:09:49.380 Elon said, let me come in and gut it.

00:09:50.680 And that's why top of the list when he gets in was to target this institution.

00:09:55.380 Seems like Trump was going to do this with or without Elon.

00:09:58.580 A hundred percent.

00:09:59.420 So I had a private investigator run every dollar that the United States government has sent to Guatemala in the last four years.

00:10:06.480 We've sent seven hundred and ninety seven million dollars to Guatemala in the last four years.

00:10:11.460 And four hundred, I think, ninety seven million of that went to USAID directly.

00:10:14.560 And then a ton of other NGOs that are structured under USAID.

00:10:17.760 He did he did a favor for me to went all the way back to Obama in 2012.

00:10:21.020 And we've given the Guatemalan government roughly four billion dollars.

00:10:24.400 I'm going to pause real quick and I'm going to tell you why I keep saying USAID because saying USAID is like saying anti-fascist.

00:10:30.760 It is a manipulative term.

00:10:32.340 Sorry, I've been saying it for so long.

00:10:33.900 But this is what happens when I turn on The Daily Show.

00:10:37.120 They say Trump is shutting down USAID.

00:10:39.360 People don't know.

00:10:40.440 They're talking about an institution, the Agency for International Development.

00:10:44.020 And they think Trump is literally taking water away from from dehydrated little children in third world countries.

00:10:50.060 Not a chance.

00:10:51.000 Right.

00:10:51.220 And so when people USAID is the same thing as saying anti-fascist, they go, aren't you anti-fascist?

00:10:57.760 And you're like, bro, they're going around beating people with clubs.

00:11:00.160 OK, I'm opposed to what that is.

00:11:01.660 But they're opposing. 1.00

00:11:02.580 Shut up. 0.99

00:11:03.040 Then when they come out and they're like, but you really are opposed to USAID? 0.99

00:11:07.500 I'm like, the institution USAID?

00:11:09.920 Yes.

00:11:10.740 Foreign aid we can have a discussion about after maybe we secure our borders.

00:11:13.780 Anyway, I digress.

00:11:14.680 So I was actually at the State Department yesterday visiting some of my former colleagues, one of whom is running the whole reorganization.

00:11:21.700 And so Secretary Rubio issued some waivers, you know, because there was a stop order on all foreign aid going out the building, right?

00:11:29.880 But he issued some waivers saying that if this is life-saving medicines or if this is mission critical or totally in line with our national priorities, then, you know, we'll review them and keep them going per the review.

00:11:43.840 And there's been so much insubordination that some of these employees are actually refusing shipments and deliveries of the goods that we're sending just in spite of whatever's going on.

00:12:00.040 So here they are crying, oh, Trump's shutting off all of our funding and blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:12:04.140 But at the same time, my friend Pete was like, no, actually, they're not doing their job now.

00:12:09.040 So we can't get these things to wherever they're going.

00:12:12.660 That's how bad it is.

00:12:14.620 It's what we saw when Trump shut down the DEI stuff.

00:12:17.480 You saw that they're like, OK, well, now we're not going to teach about the Tuskegee Airmen.

00:12:22.920 And it's like, well, listen, we're not saying don't tell people about important things that happened in history.

00:12:28.240 We're saying stop being racist. 0.99

00:12:29.920 But to spite the machine, these scumbags are pulling moves like this. 0.99

00:12:34.720 And saying he was going to cancel Black History Month was another move from them whenever he canceled DEI. 0.99

00:12:40.240 But wait, wait, didn't they shut down Identity Months?

00:12:43.080 I heard that.

00:12:43.800 The DOD, yeah.

00:12:44.200 He still issued in order to celebrate Black History Month on February 1st.

00:12:48.860 So, you know, but there wasn't anything said about that when it actually happened by the mainstream media.

00:12:54.940 But the fear mongering was there, just like there's fear mongering going on for anyone taking the buyout from Trump to quit and get paid for eight months.

00:13:04.200 You hear Senate Democrats and the on CNN today about how there's no guarantee that these people actually get paid on the eight months if they take it now.

00:13:13.380 And if they if they accept the resignation and the payout, the buyout by the Trump administration, that they're on their own.

00:13:19.740 And so although 40,000 people have accepted it so far, there's still 60,000 now, which is good.

00:13:26.620 But there's still a big fear mongering campaign that you have no way, no legal recourse to collect your money if he doesn't follow through and pay it, which is absolutely ridiculous.

00:13:35.880 They're just trying to.

00:13:37.020 But that's not what they're saying.

00:13:38.580 The Democrats said there is a chance if you take this, you will not get paid.

00:13:43.800 Right.

00:13:44.060 What they are saying is we intend to shut the government down in March once we have the ability to block a continuing resolution and we will block your pay if you take this deal.

00:13:56.000 So on the surface, once again, they play.

00:13:58.260 So they're going to do it.

00:13:59.100 Yes.

00:13:59.660 They are playing these.

00:14:01.100 These are the games that are played.

00:14:02.380 We should be very careful of saying things like Antifa or U.S. aid or you might not get paid.

00:14:07.420 They're trying to insinuate that Trump would block the money.

00:14:09.720 No, Trump's a dealmaker.

00:14:10.820 He says you're going to get paid till the end of September.

00:14:12.780 The Democrats then came out and said, we will shut the government down if you take this deal.

00:14:17.400 They are looking these government employees in the eyes and say, if you take Trump's deal, we won't.

00:14:21.340 You over.

00:14:22.800 Yeah.

00:14:23.500 No, and that's what it's really going to come down to.

00:14:26.020 I mean, this is another issue that we had the last time around.

00:14:30.420 So when we were finally in office, right, I was at the State Department, you know, reviewing these, the budget that we made.

00:14:39.220 Because you make it internally and then it goes through OMB, Office of Management Budget, and then OMB officially sends it to the Congress.

00:14:45.900 And at the time, Bob Corker, Senator Bob Corker was the Senate, the chairman for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and he hated Trump.

00:14:56.620 So every time that we wanted to cut something, he would just plus it up again.

00:15:02.480 So this, I think, is going to be another issue that we're going to see because obviously the Congress is, you know, in charge of funding things.

00:15:09.980 So it's going to be interesting to see how Trump's team handles this issue this time around, because I think they're a lot more seasoned.

00:15:19.020 The momentum is there, like I was saying, and I think the pressure needs to continue because these members of Congress, at the end of the day, they want to be popular.

00:15:29.520 They want to get funding.

00:15:30.420 They want to, you know, win their elections.

00:15:33.980 So if there's this drumbeat and pressure that's kept on them, we may have a chance to get some of this through.

00:15:41.500 I just want to point out, I went to the website.

00:15:43.740 I went to USAID, I'm sorry, USAID, you see, .gov.

00:15:48.220 And in 2014, the top recipient was the World Bank Group for $2 billion.

00:15:55.580 You know, that's the important thing about telling people when they say, it's USAID.

00:15:59.580 It's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure the World Bank is not in need of handouts.

00:16:04.240 Yeah.

00:16:04.720 Well, you'd think, too, that they would go to some of these countries that all this money is going to and get some spokesmen from these countries.

00:16:10.700 Because you go into these countries that USAID operates in their country, and they are literally begging us.

00:16:15.640 I was just in Guatemala, just in El Salvador.

00:16:18.280 El Salvador, over what, like 60 or 70 years that USAID was in their country, El Salvador has turned into the deadliest country in Latin America.

00:16:27.740 Guatemala, over the last four years, has had 190,052 children have been kidnapped out of Guatemala, trafficked through Mexico, and processed into our border, at our Texas border.

00:16:39.280 Those are children age 0 to 17 that our government has taken custody of over the last four years that are just from Guatemala alone.

00:16:45.840 How do you move that many children out of Guatemala?

00:16:47.820 You don't, but five NGOs were just raided on April 25th of 2025 for trafficking children.

00:16:53.600 And these are the same NGOs that are getting funded by USAID and are operating both in Guatemala and in Texas.

00:16:59.480 Right.

00:17:00.020 This is funny.

00:17:00.640 When you go to their website right now, it just says on Friday, February 7th, 2025, at 11.59 p.m. Eastern,

00:17:07.720 all USAID direct hire personnel will be placed on leave globally, with the exception of designated personnel responsible for mission-critical functions.

00:17:15.940 The reporting last night was that it's going to be 290 people from 13,000.

00:17:21.260 Yes.

00:17:21.960 Yes.

00:17:22.580 And the other thing is, so, like I was saying, so I was in an undersecretary's front office at the State Department.

00:17:28.540 The acronym is J, but it stood for Civilian Security, Democracy, and Human Rights, or some long name that really doesn't mean anything.

00:17:37.720 But, you know, we actually were frustrated with USAID because we had programs, not that I think they're necessary,

00:17:46.960 but we oversaw programs that had their own line items, that had their own funding, that had their own everything.

00:17:55.960 But USAID was also doing the same thing in similar countries.

00:17:59.820 So there was all this overlap and redundancy.

00:18:03.400 And so bringing USAID back into the fold is actually the way it should be,

00:18:09.520 and that's how it was originally set out when President Kennedy created the agency by executive order in 1961.

00:18:18.380 So bringing it back into the State Department and realigning it and making sure that there's not funding everywhere

00:18:24.180 and everyone's doing their own thing is actually what we should be doing.

00:18:27.900 Were they responsible for Ukraine?

00:18:32.780 Oh, hands down.

00:18:33.880 You can see their handprints all over it.

00:18:35.980 I mean, USAID was actually funding nine out of ten news agencies in Ukraine and still to this day is true. 1.00

00:18:43.820 So when you're funding nine out of ten of their, quote-unquote, legacy media in Ukraine,

00:18:49.160 that's how you're controlling the narrative for everything there,

00:18:53.440 especially when you're going in there and having USAID with the regime change

00:18:58.300 and installing Zelensky and not allowing any other elections,

00:19:01.820 knowing that the thumb of the U.S. government is controlling and dictating all of that is proof in itself.

00:19:07.760 But you have to be able to control the narrative in order to do that,

00:19:10.380 and funding the media is a good way to get it done.

00:19:12.480 Yeah. So how does this work, though?

00:19:16.620 Is USAID directly giving cash straight to a news outlet or their intermediaries?

00:19:22.600 NGO, NGO, and NGO, and then the fourth NGO down the line gives that to the news outlet.

00:19:27.420 Because it's like I said, it's like an offshore bank account.

00:19:29.140 You've got to go from country to country to country to country, so it's almost untraceable.

00:19:32.160 You go NGO to NGO to NGO to NGO.

00:19:34.120 The NGO that's actually giving the money to the media outlet might not even realize that that money is coming from USAID.

00:19:39.080 Right. Well, and the other thing is it's such a revolving door.

00:19:42.480 Right. So actually, there was someone in my office.

00:19:46.120 I don't remember exactly what her portfolio was, but one day we were sitting in our meeting and she's like,

00:19:51.840 oh, by the way, I'm going to go work for Open Society Foundations.

00:19:56.140 Like, oh, okay.

00:19:59.020 Because Open Society Foundations, which is the George Sorogroos, receives grants from USAID and the State Department.

00:20:06.440 And so what happens is that you have all these former employees of these agencies that know the system, that know the inner workings, that know how to write this special language to get the grants.

00:20:19.900 And then they spend a few years in the agency and then they go back out to the NGO and then they have their friends, you know, pulling the strings to get their money.

00:20:31.100 So they know exactly how to work the system.

00:20:33.460 So it really is Development Inc.

00:20:35.740 It's this huge, massive network of hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of people that just are gaming the American taxpayer dollar.

00:20:45.800 I even saw yesterday there was actually a grant given to teach people how to write grants to get them approved for the USAID.

00:20:53.980 Yeah. 0.98

00:20:54.200 So it's absolutely the biggest circle jerk I've ever seen in my life. 0.96

00:20:59.540 Yeah. 1.00

00:20:59.740 But it's a monster.

00:21:00.820 I mean, it's like it's an octopus with tentacles that keep going and keep going.

00:21:04.000 And they've got their tentacles in every area around the world that hasn't banned them yet because multiple countries have actually kicked out USAID because they didn't want them involving themselves in their policy.

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00:22:30.700 You know, I'm just going to say this for ChatGPT.

00:22:46.700 I don't know if anyone has the full list of that, but it's growing.

00:22:51.320 I asked Grok because ChatGPT has become unusable.

00:22:54.580 I don't know if anybody's tried using it recently.

00:22:56.500 It, you know, I'm just going to say this for ChatGPT.

00:22:59.840 I don't know if it's a setting or whatever.

00:23:01.380 I just don't use it.

00:23:02.600 It's got a reasoning function now.

00:23:05.000 So it used to be you open up ChatGPT and you ask it a question and it would give you an answer.

00:23:08.820 Now it spends two minutes just saying, I'm looking at what you're saying and let me, and I'm just like, I don't care.

00:23:14.900 I go to Grok.

00:23:15.520 I typed in, did the Open Society Foundation receive USAID funding?

00:23:18.960 And it goes, yes, according to various sources, it did.

00:23:21.960 However, the specifics of such funding and the total amounts allocated for projects are, you know, can vary.

00:23:26.480 To summarize, yes, they do receive USAID funding.

00:23:29.040 The details are murky, blah, blah, blah.

00:23:30.420 So then I said, what's the estimate?

00:23:32.620 There were reports suggesting that USAID provided approximately $260 million to organizations linked to George Soros' Open Society Foundations.

00:23:39.160 The figure was highlighted in discussions like the funding of various projects, particularly in regions like Albania and Macedonia.

00:23:45.420 Another source indicates that East-West Management Institute, partly backed by Open Society Foundation, received more than $260 million over the years from USAID for projects in countries like Georgia, Uganda, and Serbia.

00:23:56.100 However, these figures might not represent the total or precise amounts given to OSF as funding can be routed through various intermediaries or for specific projects under broader initiatives.

00:24:06.720 Also, there might be discrepancies or different interpretations.

00:24:09.420 So I'll put it this way.

00:24:10.080 When you do a Google search for how much money USAID may have given to Soros' NGO, it's not immediately clear.

00:24:20.000 I'm sure if you dig up the documents, you can probably get a better answer than I could just by simply Google searching it right now.

00:24:23.940 If it is true, regardless, we know for a fact that Open Society Foundation funds NGOs that operate in the United States.

00:24:31.580 We know that Soros funded many prosecutors, district attorneys across the country.

00:24:36.220 And that would imply, and I'm going to say this with some legal liability shields, if it is true that USAID was funding Open Society Foundations, that would mean that USAID was indirectly funding political overhaul in the United States, which some would describe as a coup or a civil war or just outright simply corrupt.

00:25:01.540 If you want to see something fun, search USAID regime changes, top 10 USAID regime changes in the last 10 years in Grok and see what you pull up.

00:25:10.400 See how many USAID is involved.

00:25:12.580 So how do I want to phrase this one?

00:25:13.900 How many countries?

00:25:16.160 Yeah, was USAID involved in carrying out a regime change?

00:25:19.380 USAID, many countries.

00:25:21.680 Yeah, I know, it's hard.

00:25:22.880 Let's just do this.

00:25:23.540 How many countries did USAID help overthrow?

00:25:28.420 Let's see how it answers that one.

00:25:31.540 The exact number of countries where the United States Agency for International Development has been implicated in overthrowing governments is highly debated and often shredded in controversy.

00:25:39.700 According to various posts on X and some news articles, there are claims that USAID has been involved in regime change operations in numerous countries.

00:25:46.760 Some users on X mention specific countries like Thailand, Burma, Pakistan, Serbia, Ukraine, Honduras, El Salvador, Panama, Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq and others.

00:25:53.420 Another claim from Expo says that USAID has been involved in overthrowing 83 governments over 50 years, though this is not backed by official documentation or universally accepted sources.

00:26:03.260 Specific historical cases involve Iran in 1953.

00:26:07.840 The CIA, with covert funding possibly through mechanisms like those used by USAID, was involved in the coup against Prime Minister Mohamed, how do you pronounce that, Mossadegh?

00:26:16.560 Guatemala in 1954, Chile in 1973, Salvador Allende.

00:26:21.480 However, while USAID has been accused of supporting regime changes, often under the guise of promoting democracy or through humanitarian aid, these operations are typically covert and intertwined with broader U.S. foreign policy efforts.

00:26:32.000 Well, I'll break it down.

00:26:33.780 They say, important point, there is no official USAID documentation admitting to such activities directly.

00:26:40.460 Many of these claims come from sources critical of U.S. foreign policy, which can introduce bias, and their involvement in these events is often part of a larger strategy involving multiple U.S. agencies like the CIA.

00:26:51.560 The simple argument that people have made is that what USAID does is fund insurgent groups, I'm sorry, activist groups in various countries.

00:27:02.360 So, have you guys ever heard about the Tales of an Economic Hitman, what is it, Tales from an Economic Hitman?

00:27:11.500 Famous story.

00:27:13.080 You can watch the interview or read the book.

00:27:15.720 Basically, this guy says, what we would do is, we'd go to a country and we'd say, hey, we're going to give you international aid, we're going to give you development.

00:27:21.800 We're going to put billions of dollars into your infrastructure, roads, stores, we're going to bring in McDonald's, we're going to bring in Starbucks, whatever.

00:27:27.780 Not specifically those, but that's, you know, if the country said no, they would then say, okay, you want to play it the hard way, we'll play it the hard way.

00:27:36.280 They would then try to fund opposition politicians to change or overthrow the government.

00:27:42.640 If that did not work, invasion or assassination.

00:27:46.460 Or, I'm sorry, if, what was it, yeah, if that didn't work, they would try to take the politician out in one way or another, and then it would ultimately lead to invasion.

00:27:54.680 So, that's like Iraq's and I'm saying, and Libya with Gaddafi.

00:27:58.140 I'm not saying that's true, that's what's been alleged.

00:28:00.500 I think it's true, because, yeah.

00:28:03.480 We would have, so we would have, and again, this was when I was at the State Department, but, you know, just being in the foreign aid agencies.

00:28:13.800 So, we would have people coming to our office that would allege that, especially, I remember one guy from Macedonia.

00:28:21.940 He would come in, he was, I can't remember where he was in their government, but he was some elected official.

00:28:28.100 And he's like, please, please stop your government.

00:28:33.220 Whoa.

00:28:33.600 Please, stop your government from trying to overthrow ours.

00:28:39.960 Please.

00:28:40.820 I beg of you.

00:28:42.300 And, unfortunately, I don't know exactly what happened, because we were so overwhelmed.

00:28:46.740 And, like I said, there was no top cover. 0.74

00:28:48.460 We didn't have, we had Tillerson, who was fired pretty early, and then Pompeo, who was useless.

00:28:54.340 So, you know, we were unable to really do anything.

00:28:59.300 But, yes, the.

00:28:59.860 You saw this man say this?

00:29:01.920 Oh, yeah.

00:29:02.280 He came into our office, and I can't remember his name, but he.

00:29:05.400 Is this, like, classified stuff?

00:29:06.600 No.

00:29:06.700 It sounds like you're in trouble.

00:29:07.760 No, no.

00:29:08.260 It's not classified, but, because it's all, it's all public.

00:29:11.860 I mean, it's all tax dollars, so you can see.

00:29:13.560 I had a similar experience yesterday.

00:29:15.560 My driver, they picked me up from the airport.

00:29:17.720 His name was Abdullah.

00:29:18.980 And we were in conversation about why I was here and how I was coming to talk about USAID.

00:29:23.460 And he said, oh, I'm very familiar with USAID.

00:29:26.880 He said, I'm from Afghanistan.

00:29:28.780 He said, and USAID came into our country under the guise that they were going to be, you know,

00:29:34.420 helping us rebuild and helping children and all of that.

00:29:38.620 And he said, all I know is one day I went to sleep, and the next day I woke up, and my country was unrecognizable.

00:29:44.760 I didn't recognize it anymore.

00:29:47.080 And everybody was flailing, and it all started when they showed up.

00:29:51.140 And I was just like, wow, it gave me chills.

00:29:53.620 Well, so tell me how this happened.

00:29:55.540 Like, why did this guy show up?

00:29:56.740 What was the plan?

00:29:57.320 Like, what was the...

00:29:58.080 So he had found, so he was, so my former boss did faith outreach on the campaign in 2016.

00:30:08.000 And so she had a lot of, you know, Christian groups that she dealt with on the campaign.

00:30:13.700 And so there's this event called the National Prayer Breakfast, and there's an international component to it.

00:30:21.040 And it actually just happened.

00:30:22.400 And so anyway, it's just, you know, they just found her through some of these groups and asked for a meeting.

00:30:29.380 And she said, yes.

00:30:31.340 Gosh, I wish I remember his name.

00:30:34.020 And super tall, typical, like, Eastern European, you know. 1.00

00:30:39.160 And he was just so, so upset by what our government was doing to his country.

00:30:46.880 You know, a democratically elected government that we were coming in and funding the opposition and essentially overthrowing their government.

00:30:57.940 Well, I just got back from Guatemala, and I believe in 2017, Todd Robinson, with the backing of USAID and the State Department, tried to get Guatemala to pass a law that made abortion legal.

00:31:10.960 And their country is, like, 80% or 90% Christian nation.

00:31:14.860 And that sparked the largest mass protest.

00:31:17.700 I mean, Guatemalans from all across the country, even indigenous people from the tribes in the jungles, came out in March in solidarity and shut it down.

00:31:25.220 Yeah.

00:31:25.660 Why is our government involved with trying to make abortion legal in other countries?

00:31:31.100 Yeah.

00:31:31.580 Well, USAID had a decades-long program called the Population Control Program.

00:31:38.140 And it was ran openly.

00:31:39.920 It was even covered openly and referred to as a population control program in the 90s to control third world population birth rates and to curtail them so that it did not impact our resources here in the United States and hurt our country.

00:31:55.140 So it's – somebody said, you shouldn't call it that.

00:31:59.260 I didn't call it that.

00:32:01.160 Actually, they called it that.

00:32:02.540 They called it that.

00:32:02.600 They called it the Population Control Program.

00:32:05.100 Wow.

00:32:05.320 And it was really – there was a fire lit under it when Henry Kissinger was secretary of state.

00:32:13.100 And he had a mission in place and installed the president of the population program under the U.S. government that would go and try to incentivize, especially in countries like India.

00:32:25.260 They would go to poor villages and use cash to incentivize the men to get vasectomies or even incentivize the women to sterilize themselves so that – and pay them to do so. 0.96

00:32:38.360 So it's absolutely just horrendous thing to know that our country was involved in that and this organization that supported it and propped it up.

00:32:49.640 And they even praised it.

00:32:51.720 And this newspaper, the Detroit Free Press, actually, in 1992 was giving the USAID accolades for the decrease in the birth rate in these third world countries and for the work all credited to USAID.

00:33:06.280 So that doesn't get darker than that.

00:33:08.520 So there's actually – there's this amendment.

00:33:13.400 It's called the Siljander Amendment. 0.93

00:33:16.100 Are you familiar with that?

00:33:17.100 I'm familiar with the name.

00:33:18.540 Wasn't he the president of this program?

00:33:20.620 No, he was – so it's an amendment restricting any of our foreign aid dollars to be used – I'm reading it right here – be used to lobby for or against abortion.

00:33:33.440 So it's not just abortion.

00:33:35.700 Now they just put it under the guise of empowering women and birth control. 1.00

00:33:39.660 Of course.

00:33:39.840 But it's all still for the same goal to prioritize the American empire and so that we do not have to worry about our resources being hindered by a population boom in a third world country.

00:33:53.520 Yeah, but if the U.S. banned abortion and was advocating for family policy and putting on TV like moms with seven kids and they were going like, wow, look at the greatest thing ever. 0.67

00:34:07.420 You should be like them.

00:34:08.240 And then was going to these foreign countries and being like, you should get an abortion.

00:34:11.460 There's some logic there.

00:34:12.960 Make other countries not have kids while we have lots.

00:34:15.520 Instead, it's just across the board, nobody have kids.

00:34:19.080 So it seems not – less interested in anything having to do with America and more having to do with global population control.

00:34:27.460 It's nihilism.

00:34:28.600 I mean it's just – it's cheering on your own demise.

00:34:31.520 I don't know why anybody would want to do that.

00:34:33.020 But we definitely were encouraging it – we weren't encouraging it as much at home during the 70s, 80s, and 90s, but we were definitely encouraging it abroad in these third world countries and incentivizing people who were hungry and wanted to put food on their table for them to sterilize themselves. 0.97

00:34:51.020 It's horrible, but –

00:34:52.540 Well, there's that Democrat in Michigan who announced that she sterilized herself.

00:34:55.980 Did you see that?

00:34:57.440 In some cases.

00:34:58.420 She's like, I refuse to get pregnant while Trump is president, so I got sterilized.

00:35:01.960 She's like, well, okay, I got it.

00:35:02.880 So sex strikes really did something, I tell you. 0.74

00:35:06.300 Yeah, but I'm wondering if you experienced anything other like that man saying, please don't overthrow our governments.

00:35:13.680 Was there anything else like that?

00:35:15.680 Gosh, so many things.

00:35:17.120 That's the – you know, I was – when I was at the State Department yesterday, it was all coming back to me.

00:35:21.740 I think you have PTSD.

00:35:22.680 I think I might, actually.

00:35:24.040 But, you know, because this was eight years ago, and I – you know, they're just – every day was something.

00:35:31.960 One of the things that does come to mind – so I was – our undersecretariat oversaw the Refugee Bureau, PRM, Population Refugees and Migration, which is a very corrupt bureau also.

00:35:48.300 And one of the things that I think that needs to be reformed is the classification system.

00:35:56.720 Oh, yeah.

00:35:57.240 Because they weaponize that.

00:36:00.200 You know, they make things – and I'm not saying anything classified on air, so don't get worried.

00:36:06.000 Well, I don't think I have to be worried about that.

00:36:07.980 No, I know.

00:36:08.860 Well, I'm just – for anyone watching, I'm not violating anything.

00:36:11.960 But I think what they do is they use that to manipulate information because you have FOIA, which is Freedom of Information Act, right?

00:36:20.000 So anyone can request a FOIA.

00:36:23.680 And so they use the classified system to kind of protect information, to hide things from the American taxpayer because we should be accountable for the people paying our bills.

00:36:33.600 So there was one instance where there was a foreign national from Iraq who came through our refugee program.

00:36:41.080 He was in California.

00:36:42.780 And he had gone through the vet, right, supposedly.

00:36:47.180 And he was living in California.

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00:38:20.800 You're given legal status, and then you have to apply to become a legal permanent resident.

00:38:28.140 And then after that, you can apply to become a citizen.

00:38:30.440 But his legal permanent resident status was denied because they found out that there was a warrant out for his arrest for assaulting a police officer in Iraq and having ties to a terrorist group there.

00:38:49.220 But they did everything they could to hide that they did not want, because this was obviously during the Trump administration, so people didn't want refugees in the country, and they did not want that getting out.

00:39:01.360 And so they did everything they could to try to hide that.

00:39:05.620 Finally, it was, you know, it was in the DOJ revealed his name and everything, but it was kind of brushed under the rug because they didn't want to counter their narrative, right?

00:39:16.160 Um, so, but there were lots of instances like that where, you know, the American taxpayer should know what's going on with our tax dollars.

00:39:25.120 It's not an unreasonable request.

00:39:27.460 It's, um, and so, um, I think that by bringing a lot of this funding into one place, um, because all of it runs out of one office of the State Department.

00:39:38.500 It's called the Office of Foreign Assistance.

00:39:40.000 The acronym is F, and everything should be through there.

00:39:43.920 There shouldn't be accounts in all these different agencies and bureaus and departments.

00:39:48.300 It should be one account.

00:39:49.840 The money should come in one place.

00:39:51.800 It should go out one place.

00:39:53.240 So there's no confusion on where it's going.

00:39:56.200 But even when it goes out and it goes to all of these NGOs, then they funnel it to someone else, and then they funnel it to someone else.

00:40:02.660 Then it, then it just, even if it all goes out in one place, which I agree with you, it should, there definitely needs to be more transparency.

00:40:09.080 And now there's a huge spotlight on it, and hopefully it will get what's needed there.

00:40:13.300 So, understanding what USAID does, and that there was an effort, at least to some degree in the first Trump administration, to break it apart.

00:40:24.500 Now, put that in the context of Democrats saying he's going to dismantle our government.

00:40:30.980 What they were talking about is this international operation of the U.S. overthrowing unfavorable governments to expand U.S.

00:40:42.640 I don't even want to say U.S.

00:40:44.160 I would say, like, Western.

00:40:45.940 I don't even want to say Western.

00:40:47.380 I guess you'd call it, um, what, Cabal?

00:40:50.800 I don't know.

00:40:51.180 How do you refer to it?

00:40:51.800 I mean, these people don't represent American interests.

00:40:53.620 They don't represent the interests of France or Germany.

00:40:56.620 They represent the interests of the World Bank and NATO.

00:41:00.100 Those are the two things that they are tied to, and everything they do, their entire mission, is to align with the World Bank and NATO.

00:41:08.140 Anything that does not align with that becomes enemy number one, and that's who they go after, and that's one reason they went after Trump.

00:41:13.160 Trump was a number one enemy of NATO when he took office.

00:41:17.400 The question is, if Trump won in 2020, would he have gone so hard against these organizations, or was it that he saw how they were weaponized even against him?

00:41:27.460 Uh, yes, because we were ready.

00:41:31.580 So you think it was going to happen?

00:41:33.560 I mean, I don't think, I think it would have happened, maybe not as quickly, but, um, you know, there were people like John McEntee who were ready to turn things around.

00:41:48.120 However, I will say, I don't know if the external drumbeat would have been there to provide us with the top.

00:41:57.240 He needed those four years.

00:41:58.060 He needed those four years.

00:41:59.240 He needed everything that they threw at him to get where we are today.

00:42:03.360 And there's a fire under him that we never saw before.

00:42:07.240 That's what I was hoping for.

00:42:08.040 He wanted to drain the swamp.

00:42:09.220 Oh, yeah.

00:42:09.700 I think everybody was hoping that was sitting on the sidelines going, what is going to happen this time?

00:42:13.200 And then he hits the ground running and everybody's head spinning, even, uh, everyone in mainstream media can't even keep up with what's going on because it's one thing after another.

00:42:22.220 And he knows where the bodies are buried this time.

00:42:24.580 So it's, it's a different ball game altogether.

00:42:27.280 Yeah.

00:42:27.740 We're three weeks in now or two, a little over two wheels in six months.

00:42:31.680 Right.

00:42:31.900 I've, I've, I've been referring to this as, uh, Trump's March to the sea.

00:42:36.120 You know, you have this, this, this great battle in his first term.

00:42:39.400 He was kind of, it was kind of light.

00:42:40.860 You know, he, he was playing ball quite a bit,

00:42:42.720 but trying to do his thing.

00:42:44.160 And then the empire obviously strikes back in 2020.

00:42:47.400 Now, Donald Trump, the first thing he does when he get it, when he gets in is he is going scorched earth on deep state institutions.

00:42:53.400 I think his view is he is going to strip them of their resources.

00:42:57.400 This is why I call it the March to the sea.

00:42:58.720 Sherman goes down and burns farms to the ground to make sure the Confederates can't even eat food or transport goods. 0.86

00:43:04.460 There's no roads.

00:43:05.220 There's no railroad tracks.

00:43:06.460 Trump going in offering buyouts, the CIA firing FBI call.

00:43:12.620 Now they're saying this insubordination because the feds don't want, you know, they're trying to sue.

00:43:16.280 It's crazy.

00:43:17.220 And then he nukes USAID and he's doing it so quickly.

00:43:20.720 Yes.

00:43:21.080 That there's no way for them to respond.

00:43:23.580 I would just say, you know, my, my advice and on a lawyer is I'm just like, Trump should instruct all of his administrators to start firing people individually for various reasons like that.

00:43:34.960 They can.

00:43:35.360 That way you don't get a class action.

00:43:37.480 If Trump, you know what, right now they're saying that there's going to be a lawsuit from USAID staff because this is a blanket bang.

00:43:44.000 He said, you're all out Friday.

00:43:46.380 So 12,000 people are going to join this massive lawsuit.

00:43:50.300 And if that reverses, they all come back.

00:43:52.560 But if they start going right now, I mean, maybe with USAID, you just, you just attack the institution as quickly as you can.

00:43:58.060 With other institutions, just have the higher ups that saying you're fired because you were late.

00:44:01.860 You're fired for that reason.

00:44:03.080 And when they say you can't do that, they'll say, sue me.

00:44:05.320 And then that's going to require 10,000 individual lawsuits, which is going to be nuts and impossible for them, for these people to actually deal with.

00:44:12.420 Yeah.

00:44:13.020 It could be a smart move.

00:44:13.720 I mean, forcing them all to come back to the office, I think was one strategy because a lot of people got so cozy working at home.

00:44:19.380 They, and moved away and are working remote and not even close to where they need to be to continue to work and come into the office every day.

00:44:25.980 So I think one thing I do think was a genius strategy on Trump's part is how he set up Doge.

00:44:31.940 It wasn't a newly formed thing.

00:44:34.240 He took something that Obama put, Obama put in place to upgrade the computer systems for the government.

00:44:41.520 And he just renamed it.

00:44:43.660 I think it was called the United States Digital Service Agency is what it was.

00:44:49.620 And so, and knowing that he would need congressional approval to set up Doge, he went in and just took this thing that Obama set up and said, oh, okay, we're going to change this name.

00:44:59.520 And you're going to come in and basically update and make our digital systems more efficient, along with a lot of other things.

00:45:06.640 But I think that was genius move because a lot of senators are, Democratic senators especially, coming out saying he can't do this.

00:45:14.020 Doge has no authority.

00:45:15.480 You need congressional approval.

00:45:16.720 It's like they didn't even actually read the fine print for the executive order for Doge.

00:45:23.180 He just renamed an organization that Obama started.

00:45:26.360 So that's how you play the game.

00:45:27.760 That is how you play the game.

00:45:29.600 And this is the thing is that Trump's team is seasoned.

00:45:34.940 They've been in waiting.

00:45:36.780 They know how to game the system.

00:45:38.700 They've been on the inside.

00:45:40.560 So they've shown up with guns instead of knives, you know.

00:45:46.200 They've shown up with the right tools to make it happen.

00:45:51.100 And two individuals, I think, that work longer hours and faster and harder than anybody I've ever seen before are Trump and Elon.

00:45:58.280 So you have these two forces that are literally working around the clock.

00:46:01.180 I mean, somebody said the other day, when I go to sleep, Elon's tweeting.

00:46:04.480 When I wake up, Elon's tweeting.

00:46:06.320 And I don't know when he sleeps.

00:46:08.040 It's true.

00:46:08.760 It's the same about Trump, though.

00:46:10.200 He's tweeting around the clock.

00:46:10.960 Maybe Elon's more than one person.

00:46:13.080 Well, he's not Adrian.

00:46:14.800 OK, have we not established that yet?

00:46:17.000 Did you see when they were trucking in the sleep pods?

00:46:21.760 Oh, yeah.

00:46:22.320 And they're saying that they're going to sue them for giving a gift to government officials because that company said they were going to give them for free.

00:46:28.420 I'm like, good Lord, everything that is good or seemingly good that they're trying to help is going to come under attack no matter what.

00:46:36.440 What I really love is how all these Democrats and liberals are coming out and being like, it's a bunch of 20-year-olds that are working doge.

00:46:43.220 That's what founded this country.

00:46:44.280 What is going on?

00:46:45.880 And everyone's like, bro, y'all were calling for 16-year-olds to vote.

00:46:49.360 You had Greta Thunberg at 16, 17 screaming to change governmental policy. 1.00

00:46:53.760 You got no room to stand here.

00:46:55.860 Everyone complaining is either falling down the steps, having a stroke, or needing a walker in order to make it up to Capitol Hill.

00:47:02.400 So we really, I think the fresh youth coming in is needed.

00:47:07.420 A revolution was started by a bunch of 20-something-year-olds that wrote our Constitution in the first place.

00:47:12.920 So what happens to the rest of the world now?

00:47:14.960 Obviously, without the strong backbone of USAID, World War III will begin, right?

00:47:20.000 Well, let's take a look at El Salvador.

00:47:21.000 What happened when Bukele got into power?

00:47:23.140 It took him about two and a half years of his first five-year term.

00:47:26.220 And at that two and a half-year point, when the cartels finally retaliated back, that gave him the voting power that he needed in Congress to basically temporarily suspend the Constitution.

00:47:34.280 Then he was able to arrest any gang members that had markings on their face that indicated how many people they've killed.

00:47:39.720 And they went straight to prison.

00:47:40.880 They didn't get a court date.

00:47:41.620 They went right to prison.

00:47:42.700 And then he also kicked USAID or cut off funding to USAID.

00:47:47.200 Because what he said is, at one point, the money was going to the El Salvadorian government.

00:47:51.820 Then when Bukele got control of his government, USAID said, you know what?

00:47:55.360 You're being like a dictator.

00:47:56.400 We're not going to give the money to your government anymore.

00:47:58.200 We're going to tell you what NGOs it's going to go to.

00:48:00.240 We're going to give it to the NGOs directly.

00:48:01.840 And Bukele says, you know what?

00:48:02.920 It's not our money.

00:48:03.800 That money doesn't belong to El Salvador.

00:48:05.200 It belongs to the American taxpayer.

00:48:06.680 Just keep your money.

00:48:07.740 We'll fund our own government.

00:48:08.780 And in two and a half years, he turned it from the deadliest country in Latin America to the safest country in the world.

00:48:14.020 Tim, I tell you.

00:48:14.860 In the world?

00:48:15.460 In Latin America.

00:48:16.780 It went from having, I think it was 183 gang-related homicides in one weekend to almost not one.

00:48:23.260 I think there was like a few gang-related homicides the entire year of 2024.

00:48:26.860 I think there was only 130 murders in the year of 2024 in El Salvador.

00:48:30.700 That's insane.

00:48:32.220 From thousands.

00:48:33.040 El Salvador's homicide rate as of 2025 is 0.91 per 100,000 people.

00:48:39.320 There you go.

00:48:39.780 A decline from 106.3 in 2015.

00:48:42.900 Wow.

00:48:43.220 Do you know what the U.S. homicide rate is?

00:48:45.660 No.

00:48:46.340 I believe it's 6.3 per 100,000.

00:48:49.220 Wow.

00:48:49.400 Meaning that El Salvador is now substantially safer than the United States.

00:48:53.320 Substantially.

00:48:53.980 Tim, I tell you what.

00:48:54.820 Every single person you walk by is happy to meet you.

00:48:57.880 They're optimistic.

00:48:58.760 They're introducing themselves.

00:48:59.680 You see 13-year-old girls and 14-year-old boys kicking a soccer ball, running down the street at 11 o'clock at night.

00:49:04.280 Just joking.

00:49:05.020 It's joy.

00:49:05.940 It's happiness.

00:49:06.580 You went down there?

00:49:07.160 I just have been there for like the last three weeks.

00:49:08.640 Oh, wow.

00:49:09.200 Amazing.

00:49:09.620 You liked it so much.

00:49:10.040 You bought a place, right?

00:49:10.220 I want to go.

00:49:10.800 Yeah.

00:49:11.820 I'll tell you my story.

00:49:12.640 I was playing poker at MGM National Harbor.

00:49:16.440 And I was sitting at a table.

00:49:17.440 The guy to my left was Salvadorian.

00:49:19.540 And people were talking as they normally do.

00:49:22.560 And the guy mentioned that he was from El Salvador.

00:49:24.860 And then I was like, oh, man, I hear it's going really well down there.

00:49:27.620 Bicheli's doing amazing.

00:49:28.460 And he's like, yeah, my family's moving back.

00:49:30.160 And I was like, your family's moving back to El Salvador.

00:49:33.180 And he was like, we moved here because it was dangerous.

00:49:36.240 But Bicheli saved the country, so we're going home.

00:49:38.780 I was like, wow.

00:49:40.500 It's funny you say that because I just was at a little mart.

00:49:44.160 And I interviewed a kid.

00:49:45.360 And him and his family had to flee five years ago.

00:49:47.500 And he had just moved back and started a business back in El Salvador.

00:49:50.020 He was only gone because it was so dangerous that the gangs were coming to him.

00:49:53.160 And he lived within, you know, like seeing distance of the police station.

00:49:56.960 And his buddies from high school were asking him like, hey, we need to know how many cars are in that parking lot or, you know, X amount of cops working right now.

00:50:02.820 That's like their initiation to try to get him to just do a little bit of work for the gangs and then kind of initiate him in.

00:50:07.380 And he's like, when they started to contact him, he's like, I knew I was going to be forced to join the gang.

00:50:10.840 And I had no choice.

00:50:11.600 My parents got me out.

00:50:12.320 So the question then becomes, is USAID intentionally destabilizing nations like El Salvador, expanding crime, making things worse?

00:50:23.920 Or is it a product of corrupt individuals in the United States are funneling money to themselves under the guise of helping third world countries?

00:50:31.060 It can be both.

00:50:32.040 It can be both.

00:50:33.100 So I'm wondering for like El Salvador, which I don't know the strategic importance of El Salvador to the United States.

00:50:38.340 It's maybe you get some wealthy lawyer in D.C. who's like, here's an easy way to get money.

00:50:45.360 Hey, we have an NGO that helps poor.

00:50:48.180 It helps democracy in El Salvador give us 20 million dollars.

00:50:52.420 And they go, fine, write the check.

00:50:54.160 And the guy does nothing.

00:50:55.420 He funnels some of the money and says, here's what we spent it on. 0.91

00:50:57.840 And it goes to random garbage. 0.77

00:50:59.020 And then he makes himself well off. 0.95

00:51:02.460 Or are they intentionally going to El Salvador and saying, we're going to give money to legal activist groups that are leftist.

00:51:08.340 That will get criminals out of jail so they can wreak havoc on this nation. 0.60

00:51:11.440 A little bit of both.

00:51:12.400 So USAID in El Salvador is known as the Beltway Bandit.

00:51:16.760 Anybody that wants to receive money from USAID, it's common knowledge that they're going to skim 60% off the top for themselves.

00:51:26.620 Wait, USAID is called the Beltway Bandit?

00:51:28.580 Yes.

00:51:29.040 That's how they're referred to in El Salvador.

00:51:29.940 Mike Cernovich, wow, in El Salvador.

00:51:31.720 So they say Mike Cernovich was saying that he wouldn't be surprised if like half of the economy of the D.C. area is just money laundering, government funds being sent to these NGOs where these executive staff pay themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:51:45.980 And you wonder, let me tell you, what's the industry of Loudoun County?

00:51:49.840 Loudoun County is the highest median income in the country and potentially even the world.

00:51:55.620 Because, I mean, how do you beat the United States' highest median income county?

00:51:59.620 Maybe not, though.

00:52:00.220 But per capita for highest income, there's like these enclaves of ultra wealthy billionaires.

00:52:04.860 So that doesn't count.

00:52:05.760 For a residential neighborhood in an urban area, it's Loudoun County, Virginia, just outside of D.C.

00:52:11.380 We're like 10 minutes, 20 minutes away.

00:52:13.580 What's their industry?

00:52:15.040 You know, if we go to Michigan back in the day, it's the auto industry.

00:52:17.660 It's the rust belt, right?

00:52:18.540 If you go to North Dakota, you know they've got frack fields, they've got oil production, things like that.

00:52:22.680 You go to Seattle, they have timber.

00:52:25.360 So you go to Hollywood, it's culture, it's movies, or at least it was.

00:52:29.900 What is Loudoun County producing that these people have more money than anybody else?

00:52:34.040 Power over corporate interests.

00:52:35.900 If you buy the right politicians and you pay them off, you're a corporation.

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00:54:07.780 Things are going to thrive.

00:54:09.640 And there's no better place to do that than where all of the D.C. bureaucrats live right outside D.C. 1.00

00:54:15.200 But let's break down the source of income, right?

00:54:17.380 So the point is, you go to Seattle.

00:54:19.220 And I was in Portland, Seattle, and I was asking people.

00:54:21.640 I love asking this question.

00:54:23.120 What is the, like, how does this city have money?

00:54:26.000 How do people live here?

00:54:27.040 What do they produce?

00:54:28.660 And when I'm in Portland, they're like, oh, it's a big timber industry.

00:54:31.460 You know, it's not all of it, obviously, but there's a lot of trees and it's changing.

00:54:35.360 But, you know, they produce a North American rock maple.

00:54:38.540 It gets shipped, you know, for production and a lot of things.

00:54:40.800 It's like, oh, okay.

00:54:41.560 So they make a lot of money doing that.

00:54:44.180 So we know where the money comes from.

00:54:45.940 They chop a tree down.

00:54:47.140 They go to somebody and say, I got a tree.

00:54:48.600 You want it?

00:54:48.920 They say, sure, I'll give you 50 bucks.

00:54:50.460 That person gives 50 bucks.

00:54:52.700 Someone in Loudoun County, where the average, I think the median income is like 170K a year.

00:54:57.740 What is that person doing that someone hands them money?

00:55:01.580 Lobbying.

00:55:02.320 But where does the money come from?

00:55:04.060 And the answer is actually really simple.

00:55:06.100 Your pocket.

00:55:07.120 Correct.

00:55:07.860 That's correct.

00:55:08.680 At gunpoint.

00:55:09.820 So when you look at these other cities and they're like, we make cars here.

00:55:15.060 It's like, you ever see Tommy Boy?

00:55:16.940 Was that the movie with Chris Farley?

00:55:18.220 Yeah, great movie.

00:55:18.860 They're like, the city's going to shut down if the auto plant goes.

00:55:22.140 There's no city anymore because the auto plant has all the jobs.

00:55:25.160 We know people are choosing to give money to the auto plant so people can live.

00:55:29.680 In Loudoun County, nobody's choosing to give these people money.

00:55:33.080 They are looting your bank account so they can live like kings in the capital city.

00:55:38.380 Absolutely.

00:55:39.120 And they control the politicians that pass the policy that make it legal for them to do so.

00:55:42.400 And they're very well protected.

00:55:43.960 They're very well funded.

00:55:44.980 And it's almost impossible to stop unless you do it from the top down.

00:55:47.740 Let me just stress this one last time.

00:55:49.480 The industry of Loudoun County is ripping you off.

00:55:52.020 That's correct.

00:55:52.780 Yeah.

00:55:53.860 Absolutely.

00:55:54.940 Yeah.

00:55:55.280 The DIC, Development Industrial Complex.

00:56:01.340 The MIC.

00:56:01.880 Development.

00:56:02.700 And this is the DIC.

00:56:03.860 So going back to the question I asked before, in all seriousness now, what does the world look like with USAID gutted?

00:56:13.700 What happens?

00:56:14.440 It starts to heal.

00:56:15.680 Take a look at Guatemala and what's been happening in Guatemala over the last 20 or 30 years.

00:56:19.360 And I'll just tell you from what the citizens have told me.

00:56:21.060 I'm no expert in USAID by any means.

00:56:23.640 But basically, they say that USAID comes in and over a 10, 20, 30 year period, the first thing that they want to do is they build out this network of NGOs.

00:56:31.540 And then they use those NGOs to basically try to take over failing media outlets.

00:56:35.340 And they also use organizations like the National Endowment for Democracy as like their recruiting and staffing arm.

00:56:41.660 And then they basically make job postings for specific Guatemalan nationals that fit specific characteristics.

00:56:46.460 And then they take those people and they go to the failing media outlet and say, hey, we'll donate $10,000 in subscriptions a month.

00:56:51.680 But we're going to put this person as the primetime host.

00:56:53.940 Then once they have control of the media, they use that media outlet to amplify the politicians that will do their bidding.

00:56:58.860 And they use it to undermine the politicians that won't do their bidding.

00:57:01.360 And then over a 5, 10, 20 year period, they basically installed your entire Supreme Court, your entire electoral college.

00:57:07.040 They've taken over your justice system.

00:57:08.140 They've taken over a majority of your Congress.

00:57:10.140 And the only thing left standing right now in Guatemala, including the president and vice president, USA played a major role in getting them elected, if you even call it that.

00:57:18.440 The last thing standing in their way is their attorney general.

00:57:20.720 Now, you see, USAID has spent the last year spending millions and millions of dollars to try to attack and discredit this attorney general.

00:57:28.400 And she's the only one right now who's standing in the way.

00:57:30.560 She's also getting respected by Tom Holman.

00:57:32.860 And the Trump administration is working with this attorney general right now.

00:57:36.140 She's the only one that can investigate the election fraud.

00:57:38.220 And she's the only one that can investigate the child trafficking that's going on.

00:57:41.280 She raided five NGOs that were accused of child trafficking.

00:57:44.360 And for the first time in recorded history, and that's going back all the way to 2012, the amount of children coming from Guatemala to America has decreased by 23% in one year.

00:57:52.780 She raided them in April of 2025, and the numbers come out in October of 2024.

00:57:57.260 Sorry, she raided them in April of 2024.

00:57:59.600 The numbers come out in October of 2024.

00:58:01.000 So that's only a six-month period.

00:58:02.660 And that's a drastic decrease.

00:58:04.780 What happened in Brazil?

00:58:08.040 Oh, yeah.

00:58:08.660 USAID got involved.

00:58:10.000 Of course, they show up and they unleash their unlimited funds of NGOs to come in and start censoring him because he was a threat to NATO.

00:58:21.700 He was a threat to what they wanted for their agenda for Brazil.

00:58:25.340 So the real censorship that was happening during COVID and everything else, everyone was focused on that here, I think, in the U.S. more than they should have also been focused on Brazil.

00:58:36.520 He actually was even banned recently from attending Trump's inauguration by the current sitting president.

00:58:42.640 They banned him from traveling to the U.S. to attend Trump's inauguration.

00:58:45.840 A former president.

00:58:46.780 That is insane.

00:58:47.760 It was, according to Mike Benz, it was William Burns, right, the director of the CIA, who flies to Brazil with 50 of his CIA homies and basically holds a meeting with Bolsonaro where he tells Bolsonaro that you need to stop questioning these Dominion voting machines.

00:59:02.200 And that was when they started to divert our government.

00:59:05.480 Our State Department was diverting semiconductors during a semiconductor shortage so that they could create more voting machines than Brazil has ever had in any election in Brazil.

00:59:13.680 And then wasn't it Mark Milley who flies over there like two weeks prior to the election and starts arresting some of his military generals?

00:59:20.640 If I'm not mistaken, quote, fact check me on that.

00:59:22.560 But I'm pretty sure that happened.

00:59:24.460 And, yeah, it was like two weeks before the election.

00:59:27.180 He arrested like five or ten of Bolsonaro's top military generals so that Bolsonaro couldn't contest the election.

00:59:33.240 Am I right on that?

00:59:35.500 I don't know if I can find it.

00:59:36.960 Yeah, probably.

00:59:37.560 It's hard.

00:59:37.820 It's quickly.

00:59:38.180 It's February 10th, 2023.

00:59:43.680 Mark Milley, General Mark Milley spoke with Brazil's chief of the joint staff by phone.

00:59:51.800 No, sorry.

00:59:52.380 That's not it.

00:59:53.280 Yeah, a lot of people don't know that Brazil had their own J6. 1.00

00:59:57.620 Yes.

00:59:58.260 Yeah.

00:59:58.820 It was way bigger, a lot more support from the people.

01:00:02.140 Is it true that they had a shaman, though?

01:00:04.200 Let me see if I can find that because everybody was saying they did.

01:00:05.940 I'm not sure they actually did.

01:00:06.880 I have a funny story about Brazil at the U.N.

01:00:13.080 So I was stationed up there at the U.N.

01:00:17.760 I think it was in 2018 or 2019.

01:00:22.140 And so have you guys ever been to the U.N.?

01:00:24.880 No.

01:00:25.480 Oh, it's a dark place.

01:00:27.280 I bet.

01:00:27.920 It's a dark place, but it's all...

01:00:29.180 I have been there, yeah.

01:00:29.780 Oh, you have?

01:00:30.340 Yeah.

01:00:30.460 Okay.

01:00:31.120 So have you ever been on the floor where all the votes happen?

01:00:34.200 I might have.

01:00:36.200 Not when I was in session or anything.

01:00:37.580 Okay.

01:00:37.860 I knew someone who worked for their news agency, and they gave me a tour.

01:00:41.860 Okay.

01:00:42.320 So I'm pretty sure I got to go and check that out.

01:00:44.180 So the way that it works is that there are all these different resolutions, and each country

01:00:47.880 has a vote, right?

01:00:48.860 And so everyone's on the floor kind of working votes and trying to get votes to go one way

01:00:54.900 or the other.

01:00:55.520 And so I can't remember the resolution we were working on, but I believe it was something

01:01:02.140 to do with the pro-life.

01:01:04.120 But Bolsonaro was president at the time, and their representative, essentially their guy

01:01:13.480 at the U.N. was maybe a holdover from the previous administration, and he was not in

01:01:19.960 alignment with whatever Brazil's values were at the time.

01:01:23.400 So I had met the president's son at an event, and I got his number, and I told him I was

01:01:29.720 at the State Department and whatever.

01:01:32.000 And so I was with my colleague, Ron, and we were having real issues with this guy.

01:01:36.660 He was not voting the way that he should have been voting.

01:01:40.840 But I sent Eduardo a WhatsApp message.

01:01:46.280 I was like, hey, I know we met at this event.

01:01:50.920 I don't know if you remember me, but I'm here at the U.N., I'm on the floor, and I just

01:01:55.780 want to let you know that your delegate is not in alignment with your whatever position

01:02:03.060 it was.

01:02:04.420 The guy was gone in 20 minutes.

01:02:07.040 He was ripped off the delegation.

01:02:08.320 So you disappeared someone?

01:02:09.260 Well, he wasn't killed, but he was pulled off the delegation in 20 minutes.

01:02:15.880 Wow.

01:02:16.640 And so, but that's, you know.

01:02:18.000 It's dark.

01:02:18.460 It's dark, but, and it wasn't a bad thing.

01:02:22.620 It was, the problem was that delegate was not representing the Bolsonaro administration

01:02:28.480 properly.

01:02:29.320 That was the issue.

01:02:30.220 It wasn't that he was not, you know, he was not there representing what they wanted to

01:02:34.500 represent.

01:02:34.860 And I knew that because I had met Bolsonaro.

01:02:38.040 Wow.

01:02:38.560 And so, but that's another problem with these, these big U.N.

01:02:42.420 organization and NGOs is that you might have someone at the top, these countries, they may

01:02:47.380 have someone at the top, but it doesn't trickle down, you know, into their delegation or into

01:02:52.580 their organization.

01:02:53.360 Look at, look at Trump's term, his first term.

01:02:55.800 Exactly.

01:02:56.160 Every single ambassador, not every single ambassador, but a majority of ambassadors in these third

01:02:59.940 world countries were actually undermining Trump's agenda.

01:03:02.640 Todd Robinson in Guatemala being, being such a prime example of that.

01:03:06.460 And, you know, so I think that Trump knew that if he wanted his agenda carried out, that

01:03:10.620 he had to gut the organization that was funding everybody that was working against them.

01:03:14.900 And USAID is that organization.

01:03:17.320 Absolutely.

01:03:18.200 Yeah.

01:03:18.380 You, you, it has to, you know, there's been such history of them just running the ship

01:03:23.220 themselves.

01:03:24.200 You know, they don't, they don't respond to democratically elected leaders.

01:03:30.820 You know, they had to change their tone on that.

01:03:33.160 I mean, the Brazil was all over the Twitter files.

01:03:36.840 And there was a huge aspect, especially with the global engagement center, which the GEC,

01:03:41.560 which I know very well.

01:03:42.960 Yes.

01:03:43.300 Was funded and started by USAID.

01:03:46.200 And you would go through the global engagement center documents and there he is.

01:03:53.380 There's the shaman.

01:03:54.080 Oh my gosh.

01:03:54.460 But he was not part of their riots.

01:03:56.160 Oh, that's too bad.

01:03:57.220 That, that is a Bolsonaro supporter, but he wasn't out during the, the, the J6 style

01:04:02.420 riots in Brazil.

01:04:03.440 Did anyone steal a podium?

01:04:05.660 A lectern.

01:04:06.580 Oh, a lectern.

01:04:07.500 A lectern guy is very serious about correcting the record on that one.

01:04:10.180 They call him podium guy, but it was in fact a lectern.

01:04:11.680 And in fact, it's just sitting in the other room.

01:04:13.980 Wait.

01:04:14.780 Yeah.

01:04:15.080 Do you want, you want, it's the actual one?

01:04:17.120 No, he, he didn't actually take it home.

01:04:21.500 I did.

01:04:21.940 You almost had me, Tim.

01:04:23.360 You almost had me.

01:04:24.260 But you saw it in there, didn't you?

01:04:25.420 I did.

01:04:25.920 Yeah.

01:04:26.160 It's a replica.

01:04:26.700 I wasn't tempted to steal it.

01:04:27.980 I don't know why, but you know, to each their own.

01:04:30.300 No judgment.

01:04:31.720 So in a funny story is, they're not really funny story, but you know, when the elections

01:04:35.420 took place and the attorney general in Guatemala was trying to investigate the elections, USAID

01:04:42.360 for 180 days staged a rent-a-riot style protest outside of the attorney general's house.

01:04:49.640 And then when that wasn't working, because they were trying to put enough pressure on

01:04:52.820 the current president, because his term was ending, they wanted him to violate the constitution

01:04:56.820 and remove the attorney general from power before their installed president could, or

01:05:01.040 was forced to, if you will.

01:05:02.020 So when that didn't work, they took the angry mob of protesters, they took a thousand people

01:05:06.440 down to her neighborhood.

01:05:07.840 They stormed the gate of her neighborhood, went to her house, live streaming.

01:05:11.440 This is all live stream.

01:05:12.260 Went to her house, pulled back the foliage, live streamed her address, and then the screens

01:05:16.160 go off.

01:05:16.620 Obviously, they kick in her front door, they go into her house, and they pee and poop all 0.97

01:05:20.680 over the attorney general's house.

01:05:21.820 That would be the equivalent of the January Sixers on January 6th, leaving J6 with a mob of a thousand

01:05:26.820 people, going down to Merrick Garland's house, kicking down his gate, and going into

01:05:31.140 Garland's house.

01:05:31.680 You know what would have happened to those people if they would have did that?

01:05:34.100 And this is what USAID...

01:05:34.980 We wouldn't know what would have happened to them.

01:05:36.980 Oh, no.

01:05:37.660 They'd have been done.

01:05:38.420 They'd be gone.

01:05:39.040 Just no one would ever hear from them again.

01:05:40.080 Ever.

01:05:40.980 Yeah.

01:05:41.920 And that's what USAID funds around the world.

01:05:44.900 So when you ask what's going to happen when they're gone, I think the world's going to

01:05:47.420 become a lot better of a place.

01:05:48.320 What I'm trying to understand is, how is it that there are still so many liberal podcasters

01:05:54.780 and YouTubers that build audience, get millions of views, despite the fact that what's going

01:06:00.260 on with USAID, foreign intervention regime change, is in our faces?

01:06:06.100 You go and watch some of these guys' shows, and they will lie explicitly about what's going

01:06:09.880 on, but the cat's out of the bag.

01:06:11.360 The stuff's overt and in our faces.

01:06:13.380 We know for a fact they spent $1.5 million on a transgender opera in Ireland.

01:06:19.220 So what are these...

01:06:21.220 We had a viral video from a guy the other day where he's like, I hereby reject and denounce

01:06:25.360 the Democratic Party.

01:06:26.500 They've been lying to us.

01:06:27.540 Elon goes in an audit, and we find out they're spending all our money this way.

01:06:29.920 I'm furious.

01:06:31.080 And there are still these liberal podcasters being like, everything's fine.

01:06:33.940 Elon's bad.

01:06:35.720 Don't audit the government.

01:06:37.000 It's a cult mindset at some point.

01:06:38.360 When you can't wake up and see what's happening.

01:06:40.580 I mean, when you're looking at Trump used to be a Democrat.

01:06:44.380 Elon used to be a Democrat.

01:06:45.660 All these people that are now the faces of the Republican Party at one point were Democrats.

01:06:51.280 I mean, but if you can't look and see the disgusting things that our government has been funding,

01:06:56.520 I mean, when it turned and started censoring its own people and using USAID funds to do

01:07:01.200 that, that was, I mean, that's indefensible.

01:07:04.920 You cannot defend that.

01:07:05.920 I mean, you'll have Sam Harris come.

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01:08:34.940 I'm out and say that it is defensible because Trump was so bad, which is laughable because

01:08:39.380 you have to base things on principle, not in just whatever is convenient for your narrative. 0.90

01:08:43.120 But I mean, it's just insane.

01:08:46.280 The direction we were going, and we may go if Trump doesn't succeed in his endeavors,

01:08:51.580 though it seems he is, would be that there would be a stateless entity of military power

01:08:57.640 over every country.

01:09:00.620 Not that I would call it a one world government, but the way things had been going in the United

01:09:03.920 States, the institutions like USAID, the CIA, were not beholden to the American people.

01:09:09.800 They were effectively butting off from the U.S. government to become their own international

01:09:14.500 cabal of intelligence and military power.

01:09:17.560 And if Trump did not win, the American people would be subjects to this international intelligence

01:09:25.520 and military operation.

01:09:28.620 The playground for this, the test ground, so to say, is Ukraine. 0.97

01:09:31.960 They're launching, they've launched the digital ID over there.

01:09:35.060 They've launched all these things that you can't get away with doing.

01:09:38.400 They've been testing them out on the Ukrainians while all of this has been going on through 0.98

01:09:42.980 COVID and everything else, and they have poured billions and billions of dollars, both our

01:09:47.880 corporations and our government, using our tax money to kind of play with the dystopian

01:09:54.260 reality of what that would look like.

01:09:55.460 To have the World Bank, USAID, all the actors involved in that, what it would look like for

01:10:02.560 them to be in control and install a puppet president and not allow democratic elections.

01:10:08.440 And we also have to point out that USAID also funded over $50 million in total to EcoHealth

01:10:14.880 Alliance, which was working with Wuhan in the lab there.

01:10:20.600 Is this still allowed to be talked about now?

01:10:23.120 I don't know, on YouTube.

01:10:24.280 I'm pretty sure they confirmed it.

01:10:25.500 The CIA report came out saying-

01:10:27.640 The CIA finally came out, but the CIA was the one that was funding this research.

01:10:31.360 The CIA made a report in the Biden administration that COVID likely originated from a lab, and

01:10:38.500 it was only when Ratcliffe got in that the information got released.

01:10:42.120 And as he clarified, we did not draft this report.

01:10:45.220 The report existed.

01:10:46.360 We're just releasing it, which is important because that means the CIA has known for years

01:10:51.140 this was likely what happened.

01:10:52.280 They funded the research with EcoHealth Alliance through USAID, over $50 million.

01:10:57.480 And they were working directly with the EcoHealth Alliance president, Peter Daszak, since at

01:11:02.900 least 2013.

01:11:04.440 I worked with the whistleblower to help get his story out, Dr. Andrew Huff, who worked

01:11:07.820 over at EcoHealth Alliance.

01:11:09.440 And he said the CIA approached them through In-Q-Tel, which is basically the capital investment

01:11:15.980 arm of the CIA.

01:11:17.300 And In-Q-Tel didn't end up investing, as far as we know, but USAID was already involved

01:11:22.180 in pouring that money in there.

01:11:23.780 The CIA has known all along where it came from.

01:11:25.980 You can't pour $53 million into a nonprofit organization that's now disbarred for funding

01:11:32.700 this gain-of-function research in Wuhan China.

01:11:34.560 But they wanted access to the intelligence in China.

01:11:36.820 That's why that's all was funded in place.

01:11:39.500 You know, so I asked, like, what happens without USAID?

01:11:42.380 And you were mentioning that, Ryan, that the world starts to heal.

01:11:45.860 But I'm curious, like, how does Russia respond to this?

01:11:48.220 How does China respond to this?

01:11:49.780 And what does that mean for the global powers?

01:11:51.660 I think Rubio recently said we're entering a multipolar world.

01:11:54.600 Well, USAID has already been banned from Russia.

01:11:57.240 And they're actually, their news coverage of this has been, if you say, if you even say

01:12:02.360 anything about how Russia is happy about USAID being disbanded, you're just spouting Russian 0.99

01:12:07.780 disinformation.

01:12:09.000 I'm just like, what is the reaction?

01:12:09.820 Is Russia going to make a move on various territories now?

01:12:12.140 Are they going to say, oh, now we have carte blanche?

01:12:14.220 There's no resistance?

01:12:15.120 What happens?

01:12:15.620 What does China do? 0.60

01:12:16.200 I personally think that, you know, Russia's public enemy, number one, because they wouldn't 0.51

01:12:20.460 allow USAID in their country.

01:12:23.320 But neither would China. 0.95

01:12:24.900 But that's how they got into China is through EcoHealth Alliance.

01:12:27.980 That's how the CIA, USAID got into China.

01:12:31.560 They were never allowed.

01:12:32.460 USAID was never allowed into China.

01:12:34.360 That's how they got that back door there.

01:12:36.260 I think the issue with Russia largely has to do with expanding NATO's borders.

01:12:40.480 For sure.

01:12:40.740 And of course, Russia's right there and China is not. 0.75

01:12:43.360 So it's priority for the, you know, NATO.

01:12:46.800 But I'm also curious about Assad and Syria, the Arab Spring, right?

01:12:52.300 So as the story goes, Saddam Hussein, largely defiant to Western policy, and then he's gone.

01:12:59.400 And Gaddafi, what the claims I hear is, what's in the truth, is that Gaddafi wanted to trade

01:13:04.540 oil in, I think, dinar.

01:13:06.500 Yeah, gold dinar or something.

01:13:07.360 Yeah, and he wanted to create, like, an African union, and the West was like, you will not

01:13:11.440 interfere with the petrodollar.

01:13:13.680 And so they said, we're going to remove him.

01:13:14.920 Now Libya is a hellscape. 1.00

01:13:17.740 There's active slavery.

01:13:18.820 There's militias killing each other.

01:13:20.660 It's just warring tribes.

01:13:23.000 And I'm curious what USAID's involvement was in the Arab Spring and ultimately Syria, if you guys

01:13:29.260 have any idea.

01:13:30.240 They are directly tied to it.

01:13:31.900 USAID was funding that whole scandal.

01:13:35.380 What year did the Arab Spring take place?

01:13:37.060 2011.

01:13:38.300 Oh, 12.

01:13:38.900 I thought it was 12, but it's 11.

01:13:39.900 I believe it started in 2011.

01:13:41.880 I believe that media was still actually covering stories like this of scandals and not trying

01:13:47.240 to bury them as much.

01:13:48.160 So you can still pull these stories up and read about them and they're not have the slant 0.99

01:13:52.960 that they do today running the holding up narratives for the CIA like they do now.

01:13:58.500 You know, what's fascinating is that when the Arab Spring was happening, Facebook and Twitter

01:14:02.940 were given large credit for helping to ignite the Arab Spring protests because people were

01:14:09.320 organizing.

01:14:09.940 And let me tell you something that's really funny.

01:14:11.160 So at the time, I was hanging out with a bunch of friends in various hacker spaces in Los Angeles.

01:14:17.060 If you guys know what a hacker space is, it's basically hackers rent a space and then they hang out.

01:14:20.760 I don't know.

01:14:20.900 And some of my buddies were deeply involved in, you know, online activism stuff.

01:14:28.520 Back then, it was very much free speech, legitimately. 0.85

01:14:31.420 The hacker community turned into weird woke garbage over the next few years.

01:14:34.140 But I had some friends who were working on projects where what they would do is they would

01:14:39.200 create dial-up internet lines.

01:14:41.720 So they would set up a phone number that would give you dial-up internet access.

01:14:45.940 So anyone in the world could call that number.

01:14:48.360 If they had a modem hooked up, it would give them rudimentary internet accessing text files

01:14:52.180 and, you know, not media or anything like that.

01:14:54.100 And I remember one of my friends being like, hey, guys, I noticed something kind of interesting.

01:14:58.440 Have you noticed that a lot of these Libyan Libyans that are posting about what's going

01:15:02.880 on in Libya are speaking perfect North American English?

01:15:08.900 Why?

01:15:09.520 Why would Libyans speak with the normal—why would they be tweeting perfect North American 1.00

01:15:13.720 English slang and otherwise?

01:15:15.300 AI in action.

01:15:16.500 Those are bots built to build an area.

01:15:18.980 At the time, it was largely believed to be sock puppet accounts operated by various contractors.

01:15:25.260 And Barrett Brown, at the time, had done some research in something called Project PM, where

01:15:29.740 he uncovered, I believe—I could be wrong about this—the Air Force.

01:15:32.880 Had been—individuals at the Air Force—had been producing sock puppet accounts on social

01:15:38.140 media that were then distributed to various private contractors for use, where the plan

01:15:43.800 was one individual would operate 50 different Twitter accounts.

01:15:47.520 And what they do is, if you post something on X where you're like, I don't think the

01:15:51.420 U.S. should be involved in Libya, you instantly get slammed by 50 responses from various people

01:15:56.220 saying, I don't know, I think you're wrong about this one.

01:15:58.580 The Libyans need our help.

01:15:59.620 They're suffering.

01:16:00.080 And then you'd get responses from people being like, I'm a Libyan and Gaddafi is killing

01:16:04.080 our people.

01:16:04.920 Please, we beg of you.

01:16:06.300 And that's when my friends who are activists were like, I noticed a lot of these prominent

01:16:10.180 accounts are speaking perfect English.

01:16:12.440 The response, officially, was it's because the people who are Libyan, who are on Twitter,

01:16:21.340 were educated in the West before going home.

01:16:23.300 They went to school here.

01:16:24.240 They have friends here.

01:16:24.960 And when they went home, they're using Twitter because Twitter is not largely used in these

01:16:28.400 other countries.

01:16:29.480 Yeah, nobody bought it.

01:16:30.580 The argument was, this is U.S. intelligence trying to convince the American people to support

01:16:36.740 revolution and intervention in Libya, which they ultimately did.

01:16:39.200 And they did the exact same thing with the Ukraine war.

01:16:41.980 I mean, anytime you posted anything about the Ukraine war, you instantly got these little

01:16:47.040 character responses on Twitter with the Ukrainian flag in their bio.

01:16:52.600 And you just got swarmed by like a hornet's nest of people calling you rusted and disinformation

01:16:58.480 if you said the wrong thing or a Putin puppet.

01:17:01.940 Like they don't really use like people to do these.

01:17:05.500 They use bots.

01:17:06.220 They built bots to build the narrative.

01:17:08.080 I just don't understand how bad they are.

01:17:10.080 You know, part of me thinks like, are we in the PSYOP right now?

01:17:13.760 Is everything we're talking about the actual PSYOP?

01:17:15.320 Because how could they be so bad at this?

01:17:18.300 You have a global operation with billions of dollars and you screwed it up this bad?

01:17:24.680 I don't know.

01:17:25.440 It seems hard to believe, but I guess, you know, it happens.

01:17:28.300 I'm reading an OIG report on USAID's involvement in the Arab Spring.

01:17:35.600 Oh, yeah?

01:17:36.260 What did you say?

01:17:36.840 Interesting.

01:17:37.600 Lots of things.

01:17:38.820 It's pretty dense.

01:17:42.120 I'll send it to you.

01:17:44.580 I don't know how to interpret it.

01:17:46.460 How do I find it?

01:17:47.100 What is it?

01:17:48.760 It is.

01:17:49.940 Let's see.

01:17:51.080 Go to.

01:17:52.120 Let's see.

01:17:52.560 Hold on.

01:17:52.860 How did I find it?

01:17:53.860 It's the Office of Inspector General because all of USAID's websites are shut down.

01:17:59.420 So it's the survey of USAID's Arab Spring challenges in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and Yemen.

01:18:08.360 I think Elon needs to publish everything that was on USAID's Twitter and archive it and make it public for research purposes.

01:18:16.600 I agree.

01:18:17.220 I mean, that was a treasure trove of evidence and that needs to be made public for the American people to have access to.

01:18:22.640 Interesting.

01:18:23.720 Here you go.

01:18:24.220 From USAID.gov, Office of the Inspector General, survey of USAID's Arab Spring challenges in Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, and Yemen.

01:18:31.320 So they were there.

01:18:32.320 That's the answer.

01:18:33.540 They're everywhere.

01:18:34.340 They're always there.

01:18:35.740 Yep.

01:18:36.540 But this is an instance, I was just reading kind of just my skimming off the top.

01:18:40.340 This is an instance where the State Department and USAID were not on the same page, according to this report.

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01:20:19.080 I mean, look at Venezuela in 2019 when the aid trucks were caught on the bridge

01:20:23.380 and then they burnt the aid trucks down and they were filled with automatic weapons.

01:20:27.340 I don't think that's aid.

01:20:28.620 No, and you can even portray this in movies with the USAID trucks that are just full of weapons.

01:20:36.200 I mean, it's a money laundering and weapons laundering mechanism under the guise of aid.

01:20:41.720 It's a perfect cover, or it used to be.

01:20:44.100 I don't think it's good.

01:20:44.780 And it's weird because they fund like both sides.

01:20:46.400 They'll fund the government and then they also fund the cartels and the gorillas. 0.99

01:20:48.820 This is the kind of thing right here that I think should give people pause.

01:20:52.540 Are you guys familiar with this?

01:20:54.220 No.

01:20:54.960 This was a scandal when in Syria there were particular groups.

01:21:01.260 I'm not sure if it was ISIS or who this was.

01:21:03.680 But you can take a look at this weapon firing at the back of a truck that says Mark Plumbing.

01:21:08.820 And it's got an American phone number on it.

01:21:10.180 And people were like, how did a truck from, I think it was from Michigan, end up in Syria to be used by rebel forces?

01:21:17.700 Or let me see.

01:21:19.800 I think I actually have the story here.

01:21:21.800 If it'll load.

01:21:22.760 It is not loading.

01:21:25.580 There's the, what is it?

01:21:27.180 Truck on the front line of Syria war.

01:21:30.000 Here we go.

01:21:31.320 Let's pull this one up.

01:21:32.940 Is that it?

01:21:33.520 There we go.

01:21:34.960 Texas Plumber's truck.

01:21:36.180 Texas, not Michigan.

01:21:37.140 Traded in.

01:21:37.960 Ends up in Syria with terrorists.

01:21:40.020 Oh my gosh.

01:21:40.700 Uh-huh.

01:21:41.320 I have questions.

01:21:43.300 Yeah.

01:21:43.880 Wow.

01:21:44.220 He traded his old F-250 last year.

01:21:46.040 The truck went to auction.

01:21:47.280 Still wearing his name and phone number.

01:21:49.500 Got his new vehicle.

01:21:50.340 Fast forward to this week.

01:21:51.540 His truck appeared on Twitter in a decidedly different role.

01:21:54.460 How did this thing make it there?

01:21:56.100 There's no straight, there's actually a straightforward explanation for how the truck ended there.

01:21:58.520 Allegedly in Syria, the export market for the U.S. across the globe, cars, blah, blah, blah.

01:22:03.360 The truck likely passed through numerous hands and ended up in a dealer's lot in Syria before

01:22:07.020 Mark 1 had fully broken in the vehicle that replaces blah, blah, blah.

01:22:10.640 Hair-trigger conspiracy theorists.

01:22:12.260 Oh, come on, man.

01:22:14.420 It's all a big accident that some Texas guy's truck made its way to Syria in the war.

01:22:19.480 I'm going to give you a simple solution because I prefer Occam's razor.

01:22:23.100 In the absence of evidence, the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions tends to be correct.

01:22:27.600 Would we like to make the assumption that the truck was traded in, sold and put on the export market,

01:22:33.760 was then auctioned off in a foreign country, that was then auctioned off in a foreign country,

01:22:37.000 that was then auctioned off in a foreign country and found its way to Syria?

01:22:39.520 Or how about we say, instead of making all those leaps, which is quite conspiratorial,

01:22:43.360 we can just say someone in the U.S. gave it to Syria.

01:22:48.000 That's it.

01:22:49.100 Now, if you want to speculate beyond that, that it was U.S. intentionally providing resources to rebel forces in Syria,

01:22:54.500 we can then dive deeper and say the U.S. had a very, very powerful invested interest in Assad crumbling

01:23:00.360 and his government collapsing, which, of course, recently happened.

01:23:03.800 So I'm going to go ahead and say, based on what I know about the Syrian war,

01:23:08.140 the U.S. interests, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, Ukraine, Gazprom, Russia's gas control into Western Europe,

01:23:15.420 that it's more likely that the U.S. was sending resources to rebel factions.

01:23:20.820 That's it.

01:23:22.120 What are we hoping to get out of it, though?

01:23:23.900 Syria? 0.58

01:23:24.400 Yeah.

01:23:24.840 We were trying to build a pipeline from—it's called the Qatar-Turkey pipeline.

01:23:31.220 There's a gas field that Iran and Iraq both have access to,

01:23:34.900 and they wanted to build a pipeline that went through, I believe it was Iraq, Syria, Turkey, into Europe,

01:23:39.720 so that it would offset the Gazprom natural gas monopoly in Europe.

01:23:43.620 The U.S. went to Syria and said,

01:23:45.880 we would like to build this pipeline through your country.

01:23:47.700 And Bashar al-Assad said, we are allies with Russia, and this would damage their economic interests.

01:23:55.580 We're not going to let you do this.

01:23:57.160 Of course, Russia has a naval base in Tartus.

01:23:59.260 So the U.S. got angry and said, okay, fine, I guess, but we're upset because Gazprom controls about a quarter of natural gas flung into Europe,

01:24:08.520 meaning that Russia has an outsized ability to control the market prices.

01:24:12.500 So what ends up happening next is Syria, Russia, and Iran have a discussion, and Iran says,

01:24:17.800 look, we can tap the same gas field, send the pipeline through Iraq into Syria, Turkey, and then Russia doubles its control.

01:24:25.020 The U.S. then said, yeah, if you do that, we will wipe you out.

01:24:28.340 And back in, I think this was like 2009, the CIA had basically been discussing ways to get Assad out of power because of this problem.

01:24:37.560 And then The Guardian reported, I think it was in 2012, the intention to overthrow the Assad regime was now apparent in the Beltway.

01:24:43.840 People knew this was coming.

01:24:45.520 And when the fighting started in the Arab Spring, this is basically where the reporting comes from,

01:24:49.600 the U.S. had this vested interest in helping rebel factions overthrow their tyrannical government.

01:24:55.940 Then you can take a look at the Burisma scandal.

01:24:59.760 Why is it that the U.S. has a former counterterror director from the CIA working on the board of a gas company in Ukraine?

01:25:07.640 Why does the U.S. want control in Ukraine?

01:25:09.780 All of this is connected.

01:25:11.560 The argument on the surface is that the U.S. is trying, or I should say NATO, is trying to get a hold on energy prices in Europe.

01:25:19.860 Remember the riots in France over the price of petrol?

01:25:21.580 The problem is that Russia does not care of Western interests and is going to charge what they charge.

01:25:26.660 As the West has tried to negotiate better prices, Russia says, screw yourself.

01:25:30.220 They're going to work with China. 0.85

01:25:31.480 The argument is, and I don't know if they believe it, NATO wants to get energy prices down to allow rapid expansion in Europe to compete with the Chinese economic bloc.

01:25:40.940 And Russia is basically blocking that because they're the ones who are dominant with energy.

01:25:47.080 So when the U.S. tried going to Syria and say, we'll build our own pipeline then, Syria blocked them saying, no, because we're friends with Russia.

01:25:53.660 The U.S. was then like, well, then we have no choice because there's no, or I should say NATO again, or the U.S., whatever.

01:25:58.640 We have no means of actually controlling prices and expanding the European economic bloc because you're barring our access.

01:26:03.820 And you're now going to try and undercut us by going to Iran and having them tap our gas field, war. 0.95

01:26:09.680 And here we are now.

01:26:10.980 Syria's collapsed and Ukraine isn't war.

01:26:13.400 And that's completely obvious to anybody who's been tracking what's been going on with this stuff going back 12 years or longer.

01:26:18.700 I remember back when it was, I think it was General, was it Wesley Clark?

01:26:22.360 He said there's seven countries we're going to overthrow, and he started listing them off, Libya and, you know, I think Syria is one of them. 0.59

01:26:28.600 And there's, Iran was one of them, I think. 0.91

01:26:30.160 So I don't know how many of them have eventually collapsed.

01:26:34.660 But it is fascinating to me, going back to 2012, during the Arab Spring, I think it was 2012 when The Guardian reported this.

01:26:42.200 And all of my friends, I had friends who were doing field reporting in Syria and Turkey on the issue.

01:26:47.720 And they were basically saying, like, here's what's playing out.

01:26:51.320 Russia controls a quarter of the gas through Gazprom.

01:26:53.980 It's a pipeline that travels through Ukraine.

01:26:55.840 The West wants to control either Ukraine or get a pipeline in, because then they can basically force Russia to drop their prices.

01:27:03.780 Sure enough, we get the Maidan movement.

01:27:07.380 Sure enough, we end up in, what was it, 2021 when the war started?

01:27:11.480 Yeah.

01:27:11.740 Or was it 2022?

01:27:12.580 It was 2022.

01:27:13.660 Yep.

01:27:14.140 Right when Biden gets back in, war kicks off.

01:27:16.900 And it's funny, because in the period that Donald Trump was president, everything started calming down.

01:27:20.620 ISIS got obliterated.

01:27:22.140 Things were starting to stabilize.

01:27:23.040 Biden comes in, everything starts falling apart once again.

01:27:26.980 War erupts exactly where tons of people had predicted based on this energy issue.

01:27:32.280 Now, a lot of people don't believe it's true that they're trying to offset prices to compete with China because the West is particularly deferential to China.

01:27:40.020 And so it doesn't quite make sense that we need to compete with China when we've given over so much of our manufacturing and economic stability to China in the first place.

01:27:49.680 Then the question is, what exactly are they are these these powerful governmental and corporate institutions actually doing?

01:27:58.360 No idea.

01:27:59.640 No idea.

01:28:00.420 On the surface, you can take a look at Gazprom, Ukraine, Burisma, Syria and all that and see how it lines up.

01:28:06.220 What the ultimate goal is, I don't know.

01:28:08.060 If we want to go Occam's razor, then it really it really is simple.

01:28:10.440 So the Nord Stream 2 pipeline was strengthening Russia's control of national natural gas delivery into Europe.

01:28:16.480 Germany was basically saying, OK, Russia will buy from you.

01:28:19.440 The U.S. was saying, Germany, how dare you don't buy from them because that's empowering their economy and we're trying to shut this down.

01:28:25.940 So what happens?

01:28:27.280 Well, according to, I think, Germany, they filed a lawsuit against a Ukrainian guy for blowing up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

01:28:32.240 When that happened, the Western media was claiming Russia blew up their own gas pipeline by dropping a bomb in it, which made no sense.

01:28:40.240 And then the working theory among people propped up Ukrainian that blew exactly people believe that it was actually CIA frogmen who went and blew up the Russian gas pipeline to limit Russia's ability to sell gas into Europe, which was strengthening their control and boosting their economy as what they were for.

01:28:56.940 And this is another reason.

01:28:57.880 I mean, this is crazy.

01:28:59.440 Crimea.

01:28:59.760 Why did the U.S. want to want to secure Ukraine?

01:29:02.580 Shut down Russia and Crimea because it's their only warm water port, which gives them access from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean, where they deliver oil. 0.84

01:29:10.380 They have the Sevastopol Naval Station, where their fleet is stationed.

01:29:15.220 The U.S., asking a Ukrainian guy to press the button, the U.S. gave the weapons and the intel to blow up the Russian flagship. 0.68

01:29:22.200 Then you get these Democrats going, oh, come on.

01:29:24.800 Russia has access to the Black Sea from other areas, not in Sevastopol.

01:29:27.380 It's like, sure, if they want to spend another $5 billion building a naval base.

01:29:31.300 Anyway.

01:29:32.240 It makes no sense for them to have to want to blow up their own pipeline like that.

01:29:37.000 Using that as the line of defense is just was laughable.

01:29:39.500 I don't think anybody could look at that and say, oh, yeah, Russia would want to hurt themselves like that.

01:29:43.820 So they would want to blow up the North Stream pipeline.

01:29:45.680 It made zero sense.

01:29:46.900 Has any Democrat given a legitimate reason as to why Russia invaded Ukraine?

01:29:52.000 No.

01:29:52.520 They just say things like, oh, he's like Hitler and he wants to steal the land.

01:29:55.300 That's the main narrative that they stick to.

01:29:58.480 One thing that whenever we helped install Zelensky and after we removed the democratically elected president before Zelensky in Ukraine.

01:30:07.520 One thing that USAID money used their power to enforce with all of these new media agencies that are now funded by USAID in Ukraine, 9 out of 10, was that they are not allowed to air any Russian talking people.

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01:31:50.820 On the TVs in Ukraine, which is insane because a large percentage of the people in Ukraine speak Russian just as much as they speak Ukrainian.

01:32:01.600 So that was one of the rules for them when they took over their media and told them how they could do it.

01:32:07.480 They used their money and power, USAID money, to tell them you cannot speak Russian on television.

01:32:14.300 When I was in Kiev, everyone I met spoke Ukrainian and Russian.

01:32:20.120 When was this?

01:32:21.120 This was end of 2013 and beginning of 2014.

01:32:24.600 Wow, you were right there before the coup.

01:32:26.540 That was the start.

01:32:28.020 That was the Euromaidan protests.

01:32:30.060 And I got to see the top, the line and statue they ripped down.

01:32:33.480 And I ended up leaving.

01:32:34.800 And then it was another crew that went in and actually went into Yanukovych's house.

01:32:37.980 It was crazy.

01:32:38.760 Yeah.

01:32:39.420 The overthrowing of this dude.

01:32:40.520 He fled to Russia.

01:32:41.260 But most of the people I met spoke Russian and a handful spoke Ukrainian, Russian and Polish.

01:32:48.260 I mean, my understanding is the languages are relatively similar.

01:32:51.380 But in this area, you're bumping into a lot of these people.

01:32:54.880 But the Russian thing was interesting because what I was told that in the East, particularly like the Donbass region, everyone there spoke Russian primarily.

01:33:02.380 Though they could speak Ukrainian, their first language was Russian.

01:33:05.080 And they interacted quite a bit across the border.

01:33:07.200 Well, let me ask you this.

01:33:08.300 What do you think would be a fair negotiation for a peace deal with Russia right now if Trump couldn't negotiate one?

01:33:13.780 It's tough.

01:33:15.400 Russia should not have invaded.

01:33:17.560 The U.S. was using soft power.

01:33:19.320 And my view is international conflict is going to happen.

01:33:22.420 I know that kinetic war does happen.

01:33:24.460 But what the U.S. was doing was soft power.

01:33:26.800 And that's preferable to hot war.

01:33:29.020 So if the U.S. is basically saying we are going to fund special interests and Russia is getting mad about it and they're losing that fight, that's the fight I would prefer to have over people blowing each other up and Ukraine being turned into nuclear sludge.

01:33:42.380 That being said, I don't know the structure by which anything else could happen.

01:33:49.420 I don't think that there's one guy who's sitting there twirling his mustache and then, you know, doing the pinky thing saying, we're going to take Ukraine.

01:33:56.520 It's a bunch of different interests.

01:33:58.960 And there's a probability.

01:34:01.360 If one guy says we need cheaper energy, another guy says we need cheaper energy, another guy says we're being blocked by Ukraine.

01:34:09.260 It's not that one guy stands up and directs the armies to go invade Ukraine.

01:34:12.840 It's that special interests across the board start putting pressure in this area.

01:34:16.460 So, again, I mean, it's complicated.

01:34:19.980 And that's what I'm trying to say is probabilistically what was happening in Ukraine with soft power was going to happen no matter what, whether the U.S. wanted it to or not, because all the business interests, political interests of the West were aligned towards getting cheaper energy and were pissed off at Russia.

01:34:33.680 So it's a bad thing.

01:34:35.740 As to what should happen now, I wouldn't be opposed.

01:34:41.360 Personally, this means very little.

01:34:43.660 I am not an expert on the region, nor am I a politician.

01:34:46.500 Nor should I be.

01:34:48.040 But at this point, it should simply be the war is over.

01:34:53.180 That's just it.

01:34:53.980 Literally, the war stops.

01:34:55.400 Russia, you stop where you are.

01:34:57.600 Russia is going to secure a land bridge to Crimea.

01:34:59.780 The fact that Ukraine could join NATO means that the only real way that this stops is—well, there's a couple ways.

01:35:07.800 Russia is flattened and Putin is wiped out in hellfire.

01:35:12.360 Or the land bridge through the Donbass region down through, like, Mary Pole and everything to Crimea is maintained and secured and becomes Russian. 0.71

01:35:22.620 The rest of Ukraine remains Ukraine.

01:35:25.680 But this means that Russia has no interest in moving beyond those borders because Crimea, where they have the Sevastopol port, which is like a near-billion-dollar port, is now firmly under their control.

01:35:37.280 If they don't—the simple explanation for why they invaded is that it looks at—or first, let's go back to the seizure of Crimea.

01:35:44.260 How did they seize Crimea?

01:35:45.980 Literally, they walked out of the Sevastopol base and says, here we are.

01:35:48.920 We're in your territory.

01:35:50.920 So you can make the argument the referendum was fake and that the people there didn't actually vote in favor of Russia.

01:35:55.880 Maybe.

01:35:56.480 But the troops were already there.

01:35:58.900 It's not like they invaded Ukraine, stormed Crimea, and seized this, you know, this territory.

01:36:04.060 They literally were there.

01:36:05.740 They want to stay there because they have infrastructure there.

01:36:08.660 They have their naval base.

01:36:09.680 They have—I mean, look, if they lose Sevastopol, tons of their intel, technology, plans falls into the hands of NATO.

01:36:16.260 They're never going to let that happen.

01:36:17.800 The only access they had to Crimea was an actual physically built bridge, which, of course, we saw was bombed by Ukrainian forces, NATO.

01:36:27.120 So Russia is invading Ukraine principally to secure land access into Crimea.

01:36:31.680 They've taken it.

01:36:32.640 They now control that whole strip going down into Crimea as well as the physical bridge.

01:36:37.580 They don't need anything else.

01:36:38.620 If Trump negotiates, you keep that access.

01:36:41.560 The rest of Ukraine stays where it is. 0.88

01:36:43.660 There's no reason for any more fighting with Russia.

01:36:46.080 Russia will not need to advance.

01:36:47.420 They will have secure access to Crimea in their port.

01:36:49.680 The fighting's over.

01:36:50.700 If Trump comes in and says, we are going to repel you and push you out of this territory and restore Ukraine to its full sovereignty,

01:36:56.780 Russia is going to say, we won't lose Sevastopol.

01:37:00.300 It's not going to happen.

01:37:01.140 So I think the most likely scenario is the fighting just stops where it is and the current drawn borders stay where they are.

01:37:08.400 But again, it means very little coming for me and I have no idea.

01:37:11.240 There's one aspect, though, that aside from the energy aspect, you have the bioweapons research labs that are in Ukraine that Victoria Nuland admitted to,

01:37:20.280 probably inadvertently accidentally in a hearing, and Putin did not want that USAID-funded bioweapon research lab coming into his country

01:37:31.580 and leaking viruses in the middle of over two years into COVID when he finally invades Ukraine.

01:37:37.000 And he's brought this up several times when he's addressed why he's invaded Ukraine, and that was one of them.

01:37:43.700 Have you interviewed Jeffrey Sachs yet?

01:37:45.860 Who?

01:37:46.360 Jeffrey Sachs.

01:37:47.460 Let me pull this up and show you this map.

01:37:49.900 This is the current battle map of Ukraine.

01:37:52.120 Now, this area that looks like water, it's not water.

01:37:55.100 This is Ukrainian forces, military-controlled territories.

01:38:00.240 So this is the limit of the Ukrainian advance.

01:38:03.880 And so this does go, and you can see into the cursed region of Russia. 0.94

01:38:06.600 That's where they began invading into Russian territory.

01:38:10.580 This strip right here is the most important element of the conflict.

01:38:14.440 This is what, so this is Crimea, right here.

01:38:17.240 Let's go down.

01:38:18.700 And you've got Sevastopol, and that's where Russia operates in the Black Sea,

01:38:22.300 which they can go down to the Bosphorus, and then they get access to the Mediterranean.

01:38:25.700 That's where they can sell oil and fuel and other resources all across the Mediterranean, in and out.

01:38:31.360 If they lose this access, what do they have?

01:38:34.260 I guess the Caspian, what are they going to do?

01:38:36.800 You know, Turkmenistan and Iran, I suppose.

01:38:38.780 But that cuts them off dramatically from North Africa and the rest of Europe.

01:38:42.360 So, what does Russia do?

01:38:45.100 They go in, and this is the territory they've claimed over the past several years.

01:38:49.080 They're not, there's some conflict, you know, Bryansk and Kursk.

01:38:52.940 And there was some incursions from those areas, plus Belarus is harboring weapons.

01:38:57.560 Don't forget you also have Kaliningrad over here, which is terrifying, 1.00

01:38:59.900 because it's a separate, it's a satellite state of Russia.

01:39:04.080 It is Russia, and it's bordered by Poland and the South, Lithuania and the North and the East.

01:39:10.000 This is what Russia wants. 0.93

01:39:11.900 I keep hearing from these Democrats that Russia wants to claim all of Ukraine and then invade Poland.

01:39:16.900 And I'm like, why?

01:39:18.540 No, no, no, like, honest question.

01:39:19.420 Like, you tell me that's the case, I say, okay, why would he do that?

01:39:21.980 Like, I'm not, it's like, not a gotcha.

01:39:23.800 I'm like, what is the motivation for doing it?

01:39:25.520 They've never given one, because he's like Hitler, and he thinks he should expand Russia, 0.92

01:39:29.540 and he wants to bring back the Soviet Union, blah, blah, blah.

01:39:31.460 And I'm like, uh-huh.

01:39:32.300 Well, then why did he just seize a land bridge?

01:39:34.660 This is what we call a land bridge.

01:39:35.900 It's a portion of land in Ukraine that stretches down and secures them, the Crimean Peninsula,

01:39:42.540 which is where they have their naval base.

01:39:45.140 Some have then said, yeah, but Russia has other access to the Black Sea.

01:39:48.980 And I'm like, bro, you're basically saying they should give up their naval base,

01:39:52.600 which they've held for 100 years or whatever, rebuild a new one.

01:39:56.440 Not likely.

01:39:57.860 Not likely.

01:39:58.460 It's strategic.

01:39:59.980 Not if they have the opportunity.

01:40:01.760 It's clear that Ukraine is literally just NATO versus Russia. 0.53

01:40:05.060 I don't even think it's fair to call it a proxy war.

01:40:07.560 You can see some partisan fighting.

01:40:09.180 But this whole territory in red, that's controlled by Russia.

01:40:12.300 So that's the assessed Russian advance.

01:40:14.080 That's where they've stopped.

01:40:15.340 It's been years, and they've controlled this territory.

01:40:17.860 It's what they want.

01:40:18.780 So I think if Trump does come in, Putin said it's really hard to negotiate peace at this point.

01:40:23.520 I think it stops here.

01:40:25.480 And what is left of Ukraine stays Ukraine because there's literally, I mean, there's farmland.

01:40:30.120 I don't know that Russia is going to go and fight for that.

01:40:32.840 I could be wrong.

01:40:33.960 Vladimir Putin, maybe he is Hitler-esque, and he wants to expand the glory of the former Soviet Union or whatever.

01:40:41.020 Maybe.

01:40:41.360 I have no idea.

01:40:42.580 But right now, this seems to be the most logical explanation for the invasion.

01:40:46.300 And it also lines up with what we think we know on the surface about the foreign policy over the past 20 years.

01:40:52.860 What do you think prevented, you know, Trump ran his campaign on, I'll get the war in Ukraine ended before I even become president?

01:40:59.660 I thought he would, too.

01:41:00.620 I thought he would, too.

01:41:01.240 What do you think was the determinant factor there?

01:41:02.900 What do you think prevented that from happening?

01:41:04.300 I definitely thought it was going to happen.

01:41:05.480 I said this even, you know, a year or two ago, that the moment Trump gets elected, the fighting probably stops.

01:41:11.740 Not that the war is over, but that it puts a cessation of hostilities unofficially.

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01:42:43.260 Because Russia's concerned that Trump is insane and Ukraine's concerned that funding gets cut off.

01:42:52.100 So Ukraine's going to want to shore up their defensive positions as opposed to offensive.

01:42:55.580 However, I think the issue is it's, you know, the concern we had just before the election that I did, I did, I said this as well,

01:43:06.460 that Biden has escalated the conflict so far intentionally so that Trump would have no means of negotiating an end of the conflict.

01:43:14.640 Like the attack on Russia, the invasion, the attack on Russia's missile strikes into Bryansk and Kursk would put Russia in a position where they cannot allow anything other than conflict in those areas. 0.52

01:43:29.580 I mean, that is insane.

01:43:30.540 For what purpose did Ukraine decide they would start bombing the Kursk and Bryansk regions of Russia?

01:43:36.640 And that was an invasion to Russia. 0.52

01:43:37.900 Plus, there were the drone terror strikes in Russia attacking civilian targets.

01:43:42.660 There was that statue that blew up killing a blogger in Russia.

01:43:47.460 All of this escalating.

01:43:49.100 And I think the intention was Biden and the deep state knew they were going to lose this election.

01:43:53.820 Trump was going to take control.

01:43:54.860 And they needed to make sure that they created so much damage that Putin would be forced to say, I'm sorry, Trump, but unless we get massive gains to accommodate what they've done, there's no end to this war.

01:44:06.240 Something that Trump can't necessarily negotiate.

01:44:08.540 So I have no idea.

01:44:09.760 I think that may be it.

01:44:11.040 Maybe.

01:44:12.100 What happens to Zelensky?

01:44:14.960 Nothing.

01:44:15.720 Nothing.

01:44:16.260 Yeah, I mean, if the war ends, Zelensky is just the president.

01:44:19.220 Okay.

01:44:19.800 Yeah.

01:44:20.140 Maybe he'd go back to acting.

01:44:21.540 I don't know.

01:44:22.140 He's got a pretty good acting job right now.

01:44:23.700 He does.

01:44:24.860 He works from home, makes a lot of money.

01:44:26.660 I'm pretty sure that Ukraine is just a vassal of NATO, of the U.S.

01:44:32.700 100%.

01:44:33.060 Yeah.

01:44:33.600 They operate on our interests.

01:44:35.780 They're using their elderly men and women to fight a war for American interests. 0.72

01:44:41.000 Now, to be fair, there's a lot of people, when I went there, the surface level conflict for a lot of the protesters, and I'll stress this too.

01:44:49.080 If you want to say USAID was funding the protests and all that stuff, maybe whatever.

01:44:53.460 But the people there genuinely wanted to join the EU, it was money, the Schengen zone.

01:44:59.360 The people I had talked to were not paid by the government or anything like that, although activist organizations that do organizing, giving people like that money allows them not to work on other things, and they could spend all their time making flyers and telling people where to be.

01:45:12.680 The average person that I met, they were basically saying, we have an opportunity to stay in the free trade with Russia, Russia Trade Federation, or join the EU, NATO, and the Schengen zone.

01:45:23.600 And if we join the Schengen zone, it means that a poor Ukrainian who makes $400 a month on average can move to the UK and make $4,000 a month on average. 0.57

01:45:32.320 That sounds good to us. 0.92

01:45:33.560 The EU was concerned that if we open up our borders to Ukraine, they'll all just leave the country because their economy sucks.

01:45:41.740 So they told Ukraine, you have to develop your economy to a certain degree where people are making a certain amount of money before we can open the door.

01:45:47.400 There was a split in the East for people who supported Russia and didn't want to join the EU or NATO.

01:45:52.300 But a lot of the people that I met in Kiev were saying, we remember what Russia did to us and were terrified of being a part of whatever it is they want to do.

01:45:59.380 Russia was saying, we have free trade with Ukraine.

01:46:03.420 Our products flow to and from your borders.

01:46:06.360 If you open up trade to the European Union, that means European goods will flood Ukraine and then flood Russia, and it will displace our economy and our manufacturing.

01:46:16.300 So they said to Ukraine, you have to decide, do you want to get cut off from the trade you already have right now to join the EU or will you just say no to the EU deal?

01:46:27.140 Yanukovych, the president, was basically like, I think I can play this game.

01:46:30.260 The EU offered billions in loan guarantees.

01:46:32.520 Russia was saying, we'll give you guarantees.

01:46:34.380 And then finally, the U.S. was like, we're done negotiating.

01:46:37.900 Storm the castle.

01:46:39.020 Boot him out. 0.96

01:46:39.920 Russia was then like, that's it.

01:46:41.660 But the soft power fight is over and we're about to lose access to our warm water port in the Black Sea.

01:46:47.900 So they started first with the referendum in Sevastopol to make sure that this was controlled by Russia.

01:46:53.020 But then the only thing that we put the map again, the only access they have to too much.

01:46:57.900 Look at this for Russia to get in to Crimea. 0.52

01:47:02.120 It's a physical bridge that was built.

01:47:04.720 And Ukrainian forces bombed that, I think, a year or two ago.

01:47:07.920 So Russia said, we have to secure this entire region.

01:47:11.740 You've got Kherson, Zaporizhia.

01:47:13.700 You've got Donetsk and what do you have?

01:47:16.960 Luhansk.

01:47:17.620 And yeah, what am I missing?

01:47:20.640 I don't know.

01:47:21.720 And that's what they've taken.

01:47:22.820 And it's fairly obvious that they can control their access to the Black Sea.

01:47:26.620 That's basically how it played out.

01:47:28.320 There's a lot more to it.

01:47:29.100 Obviously, it's very surface level stuff.

01:47:31.260 But, you know, the way I see this operating, like I was there right when it kicked off in 2013.

01:47:37.120 And it's funny, too, because I was working for Vice at the time.

01:47:40.860 And I saw the protest starting.

01:47:42.780 And I told the higher-ups there, I was like, we're going to Kiev.

01:47:45.320 And they're like, what's happening?

01:47:46.320 And I said, take a look.

01:47:47.340 Show them everything.

01:47:47.920 And they were like, go there and get on the ground.

01:47:49.720 And so we went on the ground and started reporting on this.

01:47:52.020 And what I found was genuinely a lot of people hated Russia.

01:47:56.060 I got to interview a former Soviet general.

01:47:58.660 And he was an old guy.

01:47:59.880 And he was like, the Soviet Union was hell. 0.86

01:48:02.460 He was speaking all in Ukraine.

01:48:03.880 I don't know what he was saying.

01:48:04.400 But he was basically saying that Ukraine under the Soviet Union was a nightmare the entire time.

01:48:11.200 We are terrified of what Russia will do if they get administrative control.

01:48:14.600 I met tons of young people who are, you know, millennials saying, my family tells the stories.

01:48:19.940 We grew up at the end of the Soviet Union.

01:48:21.940 We want to have nothing to do with this.

01:48:23.160 We want to join the EU.

01:48:24.240 And Russia is like, OK, well, we're not losing this control.

01:48:26.700 So Russia was never going to back down.

01:48:28.460 The funny thing is, when all this stuff was happening, Russia is basically securing Crimea.

01:48:35.380 There was a huge scandal, whether the referendum was real or fake.

01:48:38.140 People in the West, they're like, it's fake.

01:48:39.200 It's not a real vote.

01:48:40.880 Trump gets elected.

01:48:42.600 It was over.

01:48:44.220 When I was in Ukraine, it was the Maidan protests.

01:48:47.460 And then you had the emergence of separatist movements in 2014, which people started referring

01:48:52.860 to as the Ukrainian civil war.

01:48:55.180 After Trump got elected, I went back to Ukraine, met up with some of my contacts in Kiev.

01:49:00.540 And I said, so what's been going with the civil war?

01:49:02.620 No, no, no, no.

01:49:03.100 There's no civil war anymore.

01:49:04.380 And I said, there's no civil war.

01:49:05.640 It's over.

01:49:06.040 And they're like, well, it never really got to the point where we thought that would make

01:49:09.420 sense.

01:49:09.640 So basically, nobody says that.

01:49:10.940 It's just separatist fighters in the East.

01:49:12.440 And now they want to join Russia.

01:49:14.060 So the Donbass region, Donetsk, et cetera, the argument was there were many people there

01:49:20.180 that wanted to be a part of Russia, but it had mostly died down and wasn't that big of

01:49:25.080 an issue when I was there.

01:49:26.880 It was wild.

01:49:27.920 I was like, wow.

01:49:28.880 Then, of course, Biden gets elected and boom, now it's full scale warfare.

01:49:33.100 I believe that if Trump did not win in 2016, this war would have happened a decade earlier.

01:49:37.700 And it would have been a lot worse?

01:49:39.540 I don't know about a lot worse.

01:49:40.460 It'd be the same thing, I think.

01:49:42.280 You know, but who knows?

01:49:43.260 I think, you know, perhaps because I think Trump wasn't supposed to win.

01:49:47.320 I agree.

01:49:47.800 Hillary Clinton was projected and expected to win.

01:49:49.960 I actually wonder if when they came out and said Russia interfered in the election,

01:49:54.400 I wonder if Russia actually did.

01:49:55.900 Not in the way they describe it, though, because they can't, but that there was some degree

01:50:00.740 of cyber warfare that we are unaware of that screwed over whatever it is, the mechanism

01:50:05.240 they had at play.

01:50:06.660 So when Hillary Clinton's furious with sunken eyes and bags being like, I was supposed to 1.00

01:50:12.300 be president, like, yeah, the intelligence agencies fully expected that she would be and there

01:50:16.560 was no there was no reason Trump was going to win.

01:50:18.800 And then not that Trump colluded with anybody, but there were there was a bigger game afoot

01:50:24.580 that disrupted whatever it is they had planned.

01:50:26.800 I'm not saying I know that for sure.

01:50:27.820 I'm saying they were caught off guard when they lost.

01:50:30.620 Well, the Russian election interference, I think, was like a predicate for a narrative

01:50:34.380 for them to go in and start censoring on social media, censoring Americans from social media,

01:50:39.640 blaming the Russians would allow them to get away with it. 0.88

01:50:41.720 And then blaming anybody, any American citizen that was aiding or sharing Russian disinformation

01:50:48.240 allowed them to go in and start censoring them as well.

01:50:51.600 And swaths, like using AI webs, they would go in and delete tens of thousands of tweets

01:50:57.600 and social media messages by scanning it, using AI, using any of these terms that they deemed

01:51:02.280 as Russian disinformation.

01:51:04.300 So basically, it was just a narrative to enforce that this surprise upset didn't happen again

01:51:10.040 and to censor it to make sure it didn't.

01:51:12.440 Yeah.

01:51:12.800 The war has to stop.

01:51:14.100 I mean, they're drafting young women now.

01:51:15.900 It's insane.

01:51:16.500 They're drafting elderly men.

01:51:18.300 Mentally disabled children, kids, teenagers.

01:51:20.260 Yep, yep, it's done.

01:51:22.460 I mean, it's remarkable when I talk to, like, liberals, and I'm just like, the war has been

01:51:27.500 over for a long time.

01:51:28.360 I mean, obviously, fighting is still happening.

01:51:30.000 There's partisan conflict because there are Ukrainians in occupied territory that don't

01:51:33.340 want to be part of Russia or whatever.

01:51:34.700 But Russia has secured the region they've meant to secure.

01:51:37.800 Ukraine is now relying heavily on drafting elderly people and women.

01:51:42.720 And when you get to the point where you're drafting women to fight, I'm sorry, I think you're, 1.00

01:51:46.580 I think you're, you're, elderly men and women, yeah.

01:51:50.260 Yeah, you're in trouble.

01:51:51.320 Forcing them to fight.

01:51:52.360 I mean, it's just awful.

01:51:53.400 Like, enlisting women to fight a war that it should have ended, should have never began 0.98

01:51:59.520 in 2022.

01:52:00.460 But if, if Kamala won, I, I think the likely scenario we'd be facing is that there would

01:52:07.500 be some kind of mass casualty event in a civilian population of Ukraine that would be blamed

01:52:13.360 on Russia, resulting in NATO intervention directly out of some kind of fear or, or cast

01:52:20.200 his belly that Russia has now become a terror state or whatever, and they're killing civilians 0.80

01:52:23.900 with Trump in office.

01:52:25.500 I think the likely outcome is that will not happen.

01:52:28.120 And Trump is going to negotiate a settlement where Ukraine loses a lot, but who cares anyway? 0.66

01:52:34.800 And Russia takes what they took.

01:52:36.860 Like the, the idea that the, that the West is dumping hundreds of billions of dollars

01:52:40.600 into Ukraine without explanation makes no sense.

01:52:43.520 It's a pattern.

01:52:44.860 I go to a liberal, we have a liberal on the show and I'm like, why are we in Ukraine?

01:52:48.560 And they're like, to help the Ukrainian people.

01:52:50.600 I'm like, who's that?

01:52:51.580 And why should we spend $200 billion for a country that's not an ally, not, not, not,

01:52:57.340 not part of NATO?

01:52:58.260 There's no answer.

01:52:59.500 The real answer of course, is economic control, the region, it's great farmland.

01:53:03.300 It's got, uh, as I mentioned, gas prom, natural gas, all that stuff.

01:53:07.120 And of course, cutting off Russia from the black sea, things like that.

01:53:10.280 There's no, there's, it's remarkable to me that when they say like Putin wants to seize

01:53:14.860 all of Ukraine and then take Poland, I'm like, bro, Putin is not a comic book villain.

01:53:18.540 He's not sitting there being like soon I will take all of the world.

01:53:22.020 He's going, um, we need cheaper oil and we have economic, you know, uh, trade routes

01:53:27.300 through these areas.

01:53:28.180 We're going to say there's reasons behind actions.

01:53:30.740 These people live in a world where Elon Musk is sitting there being like, I'm, I'm a billionaire

01:53:34.880 and the richest man.

01:53:36.100 And now I will own the president.

01:53:37.300 Ha ha ha ha.

01:53:38.220 No, he's not doing that.

01:53:39.700 Elon's playing Diablo and being like, they banned my comedy website. 1.00

01:53:43.720 These people are, are, are dicks. 0.98

01:53:45.640 And then, so he's like, I'm going to, I'll, I'll show them. 1.00

01:53:48.320 It's there's, there's motivations behind actions.

01:53:50.260 Did you see, um, that, I think Zelensky even said it, that Ukraine only received 76 billion

01:53:58.340 out of the 177 that was allocated.

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01:55:29.040 Well, going back to USAID, remember the story where fake companies were being set up in Ukraine to build

01:55:37.440 fortifications and they weren't real and the fortifications never got built?

01:55:41.980 So when Russia started attacking and Ukrainian forces were sent to NATO, whatever, they were

01:55:47.340 like, hey, there's actually no fortifications here.

01:55:50.160 I thought we paid to have these built.

01:55:52.000 And the Ukrainians that took the money were nowhere to be found.

01:55:54.440 And many of them were fake.

01:55:56.660 Thanks, USAID.

01:55:57.620 Well, where did it go?

01:56:00.060 Monaco.

01:56:00.580 Monaco?

01:56:02.440 Yeah, maybe.

01:56:02.940 They used it to buy the Russian yachts that were seized.

01:56:05.500 I mean, look, I gotta be honest.

01:56:06.560 If I set up a fake company in eastern Ukraine to build fortifications and then funneled, you

01:56:12.040 know, $100 million or $50 million to myself, an F1 racer in Monaco or a yacht, perhaps.

01:56:19.860 Maybe it all went to Loudoun County.

01:56:21.300 I mean, I would, I would, I'll say this, I would bet everything I have that at least

01:56:29.220 one penny of that money is in Loudoun County.

01:56:32.420 I would make a substantial bet that large sums of that money found its way to Loudoun County.

01:56:36.780 But I mean, in all seriousness, it's not even just Loudoun.

01:56:40.040 I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the money that was spent on Ukraine, it, so when they 0.99

01:56:45.380 spend money on Ukraine, it doesn't, they don't fly the money in pallets to Ukraine and hand

01:56:48.480 money to people.

01:56:49.340 Although in this instance, they were transferring money to fake companies in Ukraine.

01:56:52.460 Yeah.

01:56:52.600 They spend money in America for, uh, weapons manufacturing or resources or consulting or

01:57:00.280 security.

01:57:00.880 So a lot of that money is, is here and has never left here.

01:57:04.720 And it's, it's probably two guys in Loudoun County.

01:57:07.600 And one guy goes, I've got money for Ukraine from the government.

01:57:09.720 Here you go.

01:57:10.340 And then hands them a check or something.

01:57:12.220 And then the other guy in Loudoun says, I'll get my information and security networks on

01:57:15.620 it.

01:57:15.860 That money never left the County.

01:57:17.940 So let me ask you this.

01:57:19.100 Do you think that Trump should order to have everybody in his cabinet investigated?

01:57:22.160 Like Bukele did and try to eradicate all of this corruption on both sides of the party?

01:57:26.000 Oh, yes.

01:57:28.160 I guess people, USAID should be criminally investigated.

01:57:32.820 Audited to the fullest.

01:57:33.880 And they should track every penny to every bank account, to every offshore bank account.

01:57:37.100 And I'm going to, I'm really curious to see how many government officials, like you

01:57:39.840 were saying earlier, we have employees that worked at USAID and they would go to the state

01:57:43.200 department or they would go to open society.

01:57:45.020 And the girl that I interviewed that worked at USAID said that, said that she, that it was,

01:57:51.160 that was common knowledge.

01:57:52.200 It was like a revolving door.

01:57:53.120 They'd go do two years at this NGO and then they'd come back to the organization.

01:57:56.280 They'd go two years.

01:57:57.120 And then another person I interviewed said that one of the whistleblowers that we had

01:58:00.680 that was saying that they were, he was in the, he was in DC.

01:58:03.360 He took a temporary assignment from border patrol to DC.

01:58:05.900 And he was the man that was cutting the checks to the NGOs that were involved in the migration

01:58:10.080 and, and cutting for the, uh, the ones that dealt with the children.

01:58:13.440 And he's like, we were cutting a 600, $600 million, no bid contract checks to Jewish family 0.93

01:58:18.080 services, to Lutheran family services, to Catholic charities and all these different

01:58:20.980 organizations.

01:58:21.740 And he said, what we're seeing is a lot of government employees were all of a sudden

01:58:25.740 leaving our government and going and starting an NGO.

01:58:28.240 And then months later, that NGO is getting a no bid contract for 10, 20, $30 million.

01:58:32.260 That's exactly how it works in the same way with, um, the FDA and the CDC when they leave

01:58:38.760 and they get these big cushy jobs at pharmaceutical companies, it's just, they, or they'll charge

01:58:43.400 them consulting fees on how to get approval for the FDA.

01:58:46.260 It's just one big money.

01:58:49.400 Lock them up.

01:58:50.200 I think that, so Trump, uh, in his first term installed a five-year lobbying ban.

01:58:58.280 Unfortunately, it was reversed when he left office.

01:59:01.040 That's what I worry about.

01:59:01.380 But will all this be reversed again when Trump is gone?

01:59:03.740 That is a big concern.

01:59:05.440 But I think he should, he should definitely look, they, his team should definitely look

01:59:09.920 into, um, writing some sort of ban.

01:59:13.840 If you've served at an agency, then you are prohibited from working at, you know, an, you

01:59:21.140 know, an organization that receives funds from that agency.

01:59:24.800 Didn't Putin make NGOs illegal?

01:59:27.260 Didn't he ban NGOs?

01:59:28.200 They seem like they're just part of the problem that we allow these organizations to start

01:59:32.600 up and then they carry out the, they circumvent the constitution and they're committing the

01:59:36.700 crimes that are, we technically ban our government from committing.

01:59:39.160 Right.

01:59:39.780 Well, and so I was on War Room yesterday and Steve, uh, Bannon played a clip of the president.

01:59:45.760 I think it was the president of World Vision, which is a Christian organization.

01:59:49.520 And he was, of course, advocating against shutting down USAID because they receive lots and lots

01:59:56.340 of money.

01:59:57.360 The only people defending it are the people on the take.

01:59:59.600 Of course.

02:00:00.140 But he was like, oh, well, you know, there are earmarks and the Congress, you know, the

02:00:04.380 Congress writes earmarks for all these funds.

02:00:06.480 So of course it's tracked.

02:00:08.020 And I'm like, okay, then show us where it went.

02:00:11.780 It shouldn't be that hard.

02:00:13.200 If, if it was so organized and so tracked, then can you prove to where each penny?

02:00:19.460 Yeah.

02:00:19.740 Show us the receipts.

02:00:20.720 And they can't because they, you cannot track it after it leaves the door and goes to these

02:00:26.140 NGOs.

02:00:26.620 They, they're supposed to, they're supposed to report back, of course, but yeah.

02:00:30.740 You know, are they really going to do that?

02:00:32.700 Do you guys know what the highest award in journalism is?

02:00:35.260 Ulster?

02:00:36.160 No.

02:00:36.360 It's funded by USAID, isn't it?

02:00:38.680 The highest award a journalist can receive.

02:00:41.460 You guys don't know?

02:00:43.040 No.

02:00:43.580 It's called a CIA assassination.

02:00:46.320 Oh, yeah.

02:00:47.240 You've never heard that?

02:00:47.900 Those are goals, right?

02:00:48.980 Yeah.

02:00:49.280 You don't want a Pulitzer for doing good journalism.

02:00:51.700 You win it for being a machine, a shill for the machine.

02:00:54.380 The highest award, as the meme goes, when a journalist actually challenges the establishment,

02:01:00.340 the government, or people in power, as we expect journalists to do, is who is that guy?

02:01:06.360 Who was a reporter who was tracking, like, the crack epidemic and CIA ties, and then he

02:01:11.460 shot himself twice in the head in an apparent suicide, they called it?

02:01:13.980 Were you talking about the Octopus series?

02:01:16.880 Well, I don't know about that.

02:01:18.100 Yeah.

02:01:19.140 Who all got suicided in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, uncovering CIA corruption.

02:01:24.460 Gary Webb.

02:01:25.780 Yeah.

02:01:26.960 Let's see.

02:01:27.580 Gary Webb was an investigative journalist who was, I believe, he was his Dark Alliance 1.00

02:01:33.740 series, and he was tracking crack cocaine origins in L.A., and apparently he committed

02:01:41.420 suicide by shooting himself twice in the head.

02:01:43.620 It's hard to hear.

02:01:44.060 And so the meme is, the highest award in journalism is a CIA assassination, or something like that.

02:01:49.980 My point in bringing that up is, those things don't really happen.

02:01:55.620 And you take a look at our media apparatus, and what do you find?

02:02:00.160 100% of journalists and corporate outlets are only reporting positive things about the

02:02:06.620 machine state.

02:02:07.140 You can look to some outlets that have started to rise up in the digital era that have challenged

02:02:14.100 the narrative, and they tend to be smaller.

02:02:17.280 Questions arise about, how is it that Politico generates hundreds of millions of dollars per

02:02:24.380 year?

02:02:24.780 I saw someone post about this.

02:02:26.040 They were like, with all due respect, Politico is a relatively new publication of limited readership

02:02:33.420 relative to some of the big publications, yet their revenue is comparable to some of these

02:02:37.900 biggest newspapers in the world.

02:02:39.480 Then we uncover, they have this professional Platinum Plus service that people just have

02:02:46.500 to spend $10,000 a year on.

02:02:48.480 Yul Roth had one of those.

02:02:49.640 I saw that in the Twitter files, looking through his emails.

02:02:52.600 He got a daily Politico email subscription only delivered to his inbox every day.

02:02:58.380 So that kind of stuck out when I saw the Politico USAID thing coming out.

02:03:02.940 And then also, Reuters got $9.1 million from the Department of Defense for Social Engineering

02:03:09.000 and Manipulation and Deception.

02:03:11.680 That was the grant title from the DOD.

02:03:14.080 These aren't news organizations.

02:03:15.700 Obviously.

02:03:16.480 To put it simply.

02:03:17.160 Propaganda.

02:03:18.080 No, no, no, no, no.

02:03:18.920 They're intelligence.

02:03:19.660 They're private intelligence departments.

02:03:21.580 If Politico has such great intel, they can sell it to the government for thousands of

02:03:25.960 dollars per person to the tune of a million dollars plus per year.

02:03:28.780 It's crazy.

02:03:29.480 They're actually just private intel organizations.

02:03:31.260 Now, it's been stated quite a bit that the saying, you know, 15 years ago was that you've

02:03:36.580 got public intel and you've got private intel and news organizations are private intelligence

02:03:40.380 gathering.

02:03:41.000 The argument was, though, the public institutions are our security apparatus and the private

02:03:46.360 institutions sell intel to the public.

02:03:48.960 What we're largely seeing now, though, is these private companies realized governments

02:03:53.540 are better customers.

02:03:54.180 And the fascinating thing is when the government is spending your money with no budget and they

02:03:59.820 can deficit spend, you can charge them anything you want.

02:04:03.100 So when it comes to the greatest award in journalism, you don't really see it because

02:04:08.660 these news organizations' best customers are governments.

02:04:12.700 It's not about the government.

02:04:13.920 See, what's happening is you've got people saying, like, the government is funding these

02:04:19.160 news outlets.

02:04:19.620 Well, to a certain degree, some of them are getting direct funding from Congress, like,

02:04:22.860 you know, I think NPR indirectly gets funding, PBS.

02:04:25.880 What's happening is the government is buying insane subscription packages that seem to make

02:04:30.940 no sense.

02:04:32.140 And that's giving a lot of money to these companies.

02:04:34.320 Call it a kickback, call it whatever you want.

02:04:36.020 If I were to sell anyone in this room a candy bar for $10,000, the IRS would come at me for

02:04:43.480 saying, you're trying to evade taxes.

02:04:44.940 Candy bars don't cost $10,000.

02:04:46.000 But what if I said, I handcrafted the candy bar and put gold on it?

02:04:49.920 That's basically what Politico and these other news organizations are doing.

02:04:53.980 So my joke was, become a member at TimCast.com for $1,000 and we'll put gold trim on the

02:05:00.360 side of the website.

02:05:01.480 Did you hear what one of the Doge guys did on his sub stack?

02:05:05.340 He put, why I left my eight-figure salary job.

02:05:10.580 And you had to subscribe to it in order to find out why he left.

02:05:13.600 I think he was like a 22-year-old, put the price tag at $10,000.

02:05:19.140 Somebody paid it and it was just a blank page and there was nothing there.

02:05:24.380 It's like the ultimate troll move you could possibly do.

02:05:28.060 By the way, I found, this is the guy.

02:05:30.900 You're not talking to the mic.

02:05:31.660 I can't hear you.

02:05:32.540 Sorry.

02:05:32.960 This is the guy that came into our office right here.

02:05:34.880 Oh, you found him.

02:05:35.560 Vlad.

02:05:36.140 Yeah.

02:05:36.380 Of course his name is Vlad.

02:05:37.540 What's his full, can you say his full name?

02:05:38.720 What is it?

02:05:40.320 Vladimir Gorchev.

02:05:42.180 Vladimir Gorchev, he's a member of parliament in Macedonia.

02:05:45.120 And he came to the State Department begging, begging the State Department to stop trying

02:05:48.980 to overthrow his government.

02:05:50.040 Yeah.

02:05:50.480 Well, over, yeah.

02:05:51.440 Prop up his, the party and overthrow, yeah.

02:05:54.460 Prop up his opposition.

02:05:55.900 Wow.

02:05:57.600 It's real, man.

02:05:58.640 Yeah, it's real.

02:05:59.140 So he just walked into the idea.

02:06:00.300 Yeah, he met my boss at the national prayer breakfast.

02:06:03.760 Because a lot of people come from all over the world that are Christian and other.

02:06:08.100 But wasn't the Trump admin basically like, yeah, okay.

02:06:11.300 What?

02:06:12.060 Like, we're not, like, Trump does not seem like the kind of guy who wants to play those

02:06:16.200 kinds of games.

02:06:16.700 That's more of a Hillary Clinton thing. 1.00

02:06:18.920 Yeah, but the problem is that it was still controlled.

02:06:21.340 I mean, you think Mike Pompeo wanted to stop that stuff?

02:06:23.800 Yep.

02:06:24.060 No, Mike Pompeo was trying to hand out journalism awards to his son.

02:06:27.320 One of the people that he promoted, one of the careers that he promoted at the State

02:06:34.020 Department testified against Trump in the Ukraine case.

02:06:39.940 Oh, the Assange stuff is, what was it?

02:06:42.300 The one that, my memory is so bad, it's been so long ago, but one of the senior members

02:06:47.840 of the career foreign service that Pompeo promoted testified in the against Trump.

02:06:55.040 I'm just so glad that Pompeo and Nikki Haley, neither one, he came out and announced one

02:07:01.100 of the first things, that they do not have a place in his administration.

02:07:04.080 I thought he was going to go down that.

02:07:05.220 He, like, he kind of entertained the idea for a moment on the campaign trail, and I was

02:07:10.200 like, are you kidding me?

02:07:11.980 He banned Bolton from federal buildings.

02:07:13.940 He did.

02:07:14.800 Yeah.

02:07:15.200 And another one that got banned from federal buildings, one of the ones I did an article

02:07:19.260 for the Twitter files on, was Natabakos.

02:07:22.040 You know that movie Zero Dark Thirty?

02:07:23.820 It was said to have been based loosely on her involvement with the CIA and overthrowing

02:07:29.500 and all that.

02:07:30.920 She was directly reporting to Michael Morrell, who was a former CIA director, but she was working

02:07:36.820 at Facebook, and then she went to work at Twitter and was helping censor the American

02:07:41.820 people in her former CIA role, and she sent an email to her, all of her CIA friends at

02:07:48.800 Twitter, because there were so many, they had their own email list, and she said, hey

02:07:51.980 guys, just so you know, I know I was on the cover of the New York Post today, for the 51

02:07:56.260 spies who lied, just wanted to give you a heads up that I'm aware of it, not to be alarmed,

02:08:01.660 hopefully it will blow over.

02:08:03.240 And I'm like, what email did I just read?

02:08:05.880 I have to read this again.

02:08:06.800 When I came across it, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is insane.

02:08:10.480 They're everywhere.

02:08:11.100 The Assange stuff is, to anybody who is involved, Julian Assange was accused of insane sexual

02:08:20.780 impropriety in Sweden, which to anybody, Richard was like, this makes no sense.

02:08:25.580 This is not real.

02:08:26.860 And the actual issue was that he was, and it's funny, like, why would the US have jurisdiction

02:08:32.100 over an Australian citizen who was running a news publication?

02:08:36.240 I think it's pretty obvious.

02:08:37.540 So let's break down what WikiLeaks was doing.

02:08:39.580 WikiLeaks received information from sources and published it.

02:08:43.760 They would redact things that could-

02:08:45.260 Sources that are dead now, by the way.

02:08:46.860 Many.

02:08:47.540 But they would get information, and they would redact things that were threats.

02:08:53.340 They would publish news stories.

02:08:55.000 They would put that out.

02:08:55.800 They even editorialized.

02:08:57.340 Famously, Colbert called out Assange for when the collateral murder video got released, he

02:09:02.760 titled it collateral murder.

02:09:04.860 And Colbert says, this is not whistleblowing or leaking.

02:09:07.680 This is editorialization.

02:09:09.540 And, you know, Assange pushed back a little bit and argued, but no, it's true.

02:09:12.320 Because WikiLeaks was a news publication not too dissimilar to anybody else.

02:09:16.660 Many of these corporate news outlets have their leaker drop boxes with encryption where they

02:09:22.700 allow you to submit things, and then they'll publish it.

02:09:24.940 The difference is they also have a sports page.

02:09:27.000 Well, WikiLeaks didn't really have that.

02:09:29.020 WikiLeaks was probably one of the only organizations doing consequential news and releasing real

02:09:32.980 information.

02:09:33.460 So they were like, time to hand out some journalism awards.

02:09:37.120 But they couldn't get him.

02:09:38.400 So what did they do?

02:09:39.560 Arrested him on false charges.

02:09:41.640 Locked him up.

02:09:42.940 He fled to the Ecuadorian embassy where they kept him for like a decade.

02:09:45.880 And then they tried to destroy his life.

02:09:47.520 Now, I think the only reason the charges got dropped and he got released during the Biden

02:09:52.480 administration was that Julian Assange knows things.

02:09:57.180 He knows a lot.

02:09:58.400 And the reason why they raided the Ecuadorian embassy, in my opinion, is that Donald Trump,

02:10:03.220 this is what I believe happened.

02:10:05.220 Trump sent envoys to the Ecuadorian embassy to talk with Assange and basically said, give

02:10:10.560 us the information on who your source is and what you know about what the DNC and these

02:10:16.300 people were doing, and we will let you go.

02:10:18.380 We will pardon you.

02:10:19.400 Assange said no, because he didn't want to compromise what WikiLeaks did for Donald Trump.

02:10:24.020 Trump said, then we'll do it the hard way.

02:10:25.440 Trump then wanted to have him extradited, brought to the U.S., where they could force

02:10:29.660 him to reveal this information.

02:10:31.580 Biden, the administration, whoever was actually in charge, ultimately has Assange released

02:10:35.760 because they were concerned that if Assange was still under lock and key at this point,

02:10:41.120 Trump would get him and would get the information.

02:10:43.980 And if Assange was let go, Trump would have no authority to be able to make that move against

02:10:48.660 Assange to get any of this info.

02:10:50.640 And there was a massive campaign from Australia, like across all their news networks and everything,

02:10:55.760 campaigning to free Assange, which I was really surprised by because the Australian media seemed

02:11:01.280 so captured during the pandemic that you would-

02:11:03.400 But they still are.

02:11:04.560 They absolutely are.

02:11:05.980 So it was crazy to see that campaign take-

02:11:08.860 Not for me.

02:11:10.240 At the time, I said, they think Trump's going to win.

02:11:13.420 And if Trump wins, he gets Assange, and then he makes Assange spill the beans.

02:11:18.620 They wanted to find out, I think, you know, the FBI is still stalling eight years later

02:11:24.200 on releasing the laptop and phone data for Seth Rich.

02:11:28.120 That's going to be big.

02:11:29.100 Eight years.

02:11:30.080 The attorney that just went to try to get it released this time again was told there was

02:11:37.200 another 30-day extension.

02:11:38.620 They've changed the prosecutors.

02:11:39.800 They have played this game to push this out, to not release this data for eight years.

02:11:45.800 It's absolutely insane.

02:11:47.340 There was a Fox Business report early on.

02:11:50.720 This was published, NewsGuard certified, that Seth Rich was the source of the DNC email leaks.

02:11:57.340 He was.

02:11:58.060 And largely believed, the media has kept saying that's not true.

02:12:01.420 It was a robbery gone wrong.

02:12:02.640 And one of the things that Trump was trying to get was on the record confirmation that

02:12:07.900 it was Seth Rich who delivered the information to WikiLeaks.

02:12:11.560 According to one of the top WikiLeaks people, the DNC email leaks were delivered via a USB

02:12:16.140 drive by a source in a park handing it off to him.

02:12:18.960 But the DNC and the corporate press argued Russia hacked it and sent it to WikiLeaks.

02:12:23.420 Of course.

02:12:24.000 If Trump was able to get Julian Assange to confirm that it actually came from a DNC insider,

02:12:28.740 it would have upset the game like crazy.

02:12:30.580 My assumption is that Assange was concerned if WikiLeaks ever revealed a source's identity,

02:12:36.420 it would destroy his life's work in the organization and the potential things they

02:12:39.860 would do in the future.

02:12:40.680 So he didn't want to do it.

02:12:41.760 Right.

02:12:41.960 I don't know if I believe that to be true because the things they were doing to Assange,

02:12:45.600 he could have ended by simply exposing them, but he didn't want to do it, which is weird

02:12:48.700 for a guy who lives his life to expose malfeasance.

02:12:50.880 So I don't know for sure.

02:12:52.580 But I do believe the Biden admin ultimately got him out because they were concerned Trump was

02:12:57.200 about to win.

02:12:58.120 And if he did.

02:12:58.740 I broke the story last year, but someone that used to work with Assange's team did confirm

02:13:04.120 to me that Seth Rich was the whistleblower.

02:13:05.760 And I had no idea that that was such a big scandal at the time when I broke that because

02:13:09.960 I wasn't following it from the beginning and didn't follow the cover up and realize that

02:13:15.100 it was supposed to be a big scandal.

02:13:18.900 My phone blew up and I got pressure from all these people I'd never heard of to come forward

02:13:23.520 and reveal who I spoke to.

02:13:24.740 And I was like, well, I'm not going to do that, but I would go under oath to say that

02:13:29.200 this was what was said to me.

02:13:30.620 But I can't tell you who my source is either.

02:13:34.060 So it's a constant circle jerk of protecting your sources, but also wanting to report what

02:13:42.880 you know and what's been shared with you.

02:13:44.980 Ladies and gentlemen, it's been a lot of fun.

02:13:47.680 This is a great conversation.

02:13:49.560 I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on anything, whatever.

02:13:53.540 I just read a lot.

02:13:54.380 And foreign policy has been one of the biggest issues for me in a long time.

02:13:57.380 I've traveled to a lot of countries.

02:13:58.260 I've seen a lot of things.

02:13:59.380 So I'll just say, hey, look, man, maybe I'm wrong about a lot of this stuff.

02:14:02.360 But based on what I've read and the stuff that I've seen and experienced on the ground,

02:14:07.520 these are my views as it pertains to Ukraine and USAID and all those things.

02:14:10.760 So fact check it all, we're trying to navigate, investigate, and figure it all out.

02:14:14.920 So in the meantime, it's going to be amazing to see what happens tonight when USAID is effectively

02:14:19.540 over and in the coming months, what that means for the rest of the world.

02:14:23.080 But I want to thank all of you guys for joining and hanging out.

02:14:26.680 If you guys want to shout anything out before we wrap up.

02:14:29.280 Thank you.

02:14:29.620 My name is Ryan Matta over on X at Ryan Matta Media.

02:14:32.440 I just released my new documentary that's on USAID and government funded child trafficking.

02:14:36.500 I'd appreciate you checking out.

02:14:37.400 It's my pinned tweet.

02:14:38.060 Thanks, Tim.

02:14:38.360 Thank you so much for having me, Tim.

02:14:41.340 I'm Lindsay Penny, formerly Texas Lindsay, and follow me on X.

02:14:46.160 Thanks so much.

02:14:46.900 I'm Catherine O'Neill Gillihan on Twitter.

02:14:49.180 I'm at Cath Gillihan, former State Department and USAID official.

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02:14:55.860 So check it out, meriwetherfarms.com, all natural out of Wyoming.

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02:15:02.820 All right, everybody.

02:15:03.360 Thanks for hanging out.

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02:15:07.660 Thank you all so much for hanging out.

02:15:09.560 We're going to have a lot of developments on all this news.

02:15:11.600 It's going to be fun.

02:15:12.400 Thanks for hanging out again, and we'll see you all then.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - February 07, 2025

Ex-USAID Official EXPOSES Corruption, Trump & Elon GUT Deep State w⧸ Catharine O'Neill, Texas Lindsay, & Ryan Matta

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