The Culture War - Tim Pool - Fertility Decline & DESTRUCTION of the American Family w⧸ Adam Coleman & Will Spencer

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00:01:13.520 For obvious reasons, there's a story that's been permeating the news quite a bit in the past couple

00:01:18.160 of weeks, past couple of months, and even a couple of years. And this is the fertility decline around

00:01:23.120 the world, not just the United States. I think right now they're saying we're like 1.2. The

00:01:27.680 fertility rate is getting worse and worse. And you know what it is? It's that, well, there's different

00:01:33.920 generations. And the younger generations coming in are less likely to have kids than the older

00:01:40.240 generation. So as the older generation ages out and they're not having kids, fertility is probably a

00:01:44.400 lot lower than people realize. Because millennial women are largely not having kids. And Gen Z right now

00:01:49.440 aren't either. So the fertility rate is being bumped up by the fact that there are still some

00:01:54.160 younger Gen X and older millennials that had kids. But I'd be willing to bet in the next 10 years,

00:01:58.400 it falls down to like .6 or maybe .8. So recently, Donald Trump said, why don't we do a baby bonus

00:02:05.360 for women? You get a bonus of five grand. And in typical fashion, the self-destructive left on the

00:02:12.000 view said this was racially motivated. It was white supremacy. And Trump didn't say he'd give

00:02:17.760 you money for a race baby. He just had any baby. But this is where we're currently at. It seems like

00:02:22.880 there is an element on the left that is anti-family. Most of you know this. They hate kids. They

00:02:28.160 actually write news articles saying do not have kids because of climate change. So let's talk about

00:02:32.640 this. What happens to this country if there is no family? Why we need family? Let's talk about

00:02:36.160 family. We've got a couple gentlemen joining us for this discussion. Not so much a debate,

00:02:39.600 but why don't you introduce yourself first, sir? Yes. My name is Adam Coleman. I'm the founder

00:02:44.480 of Wrong Seek Publishing. I'm also the author of a new book called The Children We Left Behind.

00:02:49.040 So it's a very appropriate subject for us to talk about. And I also have a sub stack,

00:02:54.080 adambcoleman.substack.com. Right on. And sir, who are you? My name is Will Spencer. I'm the host of

00:02:59.040 the Will Spencer podcast. For 20 years, I've been preoccupied with two questions. What does it mean to be a

00:03:04.960 man? And what is the nature of God? And those two questions took me around the world to 30 countries,

00:03:09.280 spiritual traditions around the world. Until 2020, I got saved by Christ and he's provided

00:03:13.520 all the answers to those. And now I host a podcast and I'm a counselor for men. Wow. So what does it

00:03:18.000 mean to be a man? Let's just, let's, let's get into it. Yeah. So the first thing to understand,

00:03:22.000 I think about what it means to be a man is you've heard of the manosphere, Andrew Tate,

00:03:25.840 guys like that. Is he manosphere? I mean, like, yeah, he, well, yeah, formerly manosphere,

00:03:30.720 manosphere cracked and sank to the bottom of the ocean. Yeah. It was like 10 years ago you had,

00:03:35.340 they called it like the red pill subreddits and stuff. Yes. Now red pill means something different.

00:03:39.200 Yes. Yes. So the manosphere, uh, it grew popular because it said that, uh, what men do men build

00:03:46.280 strength, men build wealth and men acquire women, let's say, um, uh, you know, sleep, uh, the red

00:03:52.340 pill was primarily about like, uh, the game based on the game and based on sleeping with lots of girls,

00:03:56.300 let's put it that way. So that's what men do. But the, where it gets wrong, where it gets things

00:04:01.180 wrong about men is that's not what men are for. Men are for protecting women. Men are fighting bears.

00:04:07.080 Men are also for that. Yeah. And sharks and sharks. Yeah, exactly. So men are for protecting women.

00:04:12.820 Men are for having children. Men are for building strength and wealth and a legacy. So the manosphere

00:04:18.180 says what men do, but it doesn't say what men are for. Men have a purpose. Men have a God given design.

00:04:23.120 Indeed. Well, so, so what's happening? I mean, why are we in this very obvious to everyone phase

00:04:28.540 where families are broken and people aren't having kids? Well, because families have been broken for

00:04:34.220 quite some time. Um, I think one area, obviously there's the economic situation where obviously

00:04:40.340 it's difficult for someone who is older Gen Z or even, um, even a millennial like myself affording a

00:04:47.100 house. It's very difficult to, um, and not being able to afford for purchase a home kind of slows you

00:04:54.740 down with building a big family, even if you want it to happen. But I do think there's an element of

00:05:00.080 the millennials, the Gen Zs, they've seen what dysfunction looks like within their own home.

00:05:06.480 And that is scary. It is scary because they saw mom and dad fighting or they saw dad not in the home.

00:05:12.780 They saw constant dysfunction. And so to them, the idea of marriage and the idea of having children

00:05:17.980 seems like a massive risk and it, and it, it is a fear that they don't want to come anywhere close

00:05:24.520 to because they don't want to repeat what they saw at home. And often we repeat the behavior that

00:05:29.240 we were surrounded by. So I do think that that's a big element of fear, um, that is stopping this

00:05:35.540 from happening. And now in social media era, we have propaganda, right? So we have propaganda that

00:05:40.680 backs up that fear. Don't do it. And here's why. And obviously we can point at like divorce rates,

00:05:46.120 right? But these are all things to affirm the fear that people already have. Someone like myself

00:05:50.780 who wanted to get married, those divorce rate stats, you made me aware, but that's not going

00:05:55.140 to stop me because this is something that I wanted to pursue. So the people who are on the edge,

00:06:00.480 who are a little bit scared, the propaganda, uh, propaganda element is something that is actually

00:06:05.120 slowing them down. Yeah. I think it's true. Divorce courts favor women. Right. No fault divorce has

00:06:11.440 turned marriage into dating. Right. Uh, people no longer view their oath as an oath. You go before

00:06:18.300 a priest or a judge or however you've done it and you're swearing an oath. Now it's just kind of

00:06:22.340 viewed like we're going, we're going steady now. And then at any point you'd be like, you know what,

00:06:26.260 I'm not feeling it. Let's leave. And so I think no fault divorce has been disaster.

00:06:31.440 I think issues like that have terrified young men. Uh, you do mention the propaganda, but a lot of

00:06:36.580 these young men are just like, there's too many stories where a dude works his whole life, buys a

00:06:42.580 house, builds a family. And then he's 43 and his wife says, I'm leaving you, takes the kids and kicks

00:06:46.560 him out. And now he's bachelor, dishonored, shamed with no access to his kids. And so there's a lot

00:06:54.080 of young guys being like, man, better to be single and traveling around and doing whatever you want

00:07:00.020 than find yourself in that circumstance. I'm curious what you guys, what do you think about?

00:07:03.580 Well, I think anything good in life takes risk, right? And that includes relationships. But I

00:07:09.600 also think that a lot of young men, especially someone like my, myself, where I grew up without

00:07:14.920 my father, I didn't know how to pick a woman. I didn't have a father or even like a household

00:07:20.380 relationship to mimic. Um, it's very easy to end up with women. Yes. They'll sleep with you. Yes.

00:07:25.700 They'll make, they'll make babies with you and they'll live in the house that you provide for them.

00:07:28.940 But are they of women of character? Do they actually want the things that you want? Or are

00:07:34.620 you just marrying the first woman who slept with you for a long time? And often I've listened to,

00:07:40.500 obviously there are legitimate stories. These guys are great guys and the woman's doing X, Y, and Z.

00:07:46.740 Anytime I make a mistake, I try to look at, all right, but what's my part? Where is the red flag?

00:07:51.240 Because in all these situations, there's some sort of red flag. And if you find out,

00:07:55.320 if I find out that in your story, well, she used to be a stripper. And I was like, well, that's,

00:07:59.360 that's very high risk, right? You can't like, don't be mad that this is the outcome that you got.

00:08:04.900 Like there's, there's usually something that they over, they overlooked because they didn't know,

00:08:09.920 not that these men are bad. They didn't know what to look for in a quality woman. And in many ways,

00:08:15.100 for some women, they don't know what to look for in a quality man, right? So there's a demonstration

00:08:19.580 of what a healthy relationship looks like that they're lacking because they didn't stay at home.

00:08:24.040 And honestly, for a lot of these guys who really fixated on manosphere red pill type of content,

00:08:30.220 the good content that comes from the manosphere red pill is actually stuff that your father would

00:08:35.600 have told you. The true stuff. Yeah. The true stuff. Like what? Well, for one, confidence is

00:08:42.440 incredibly important, right? Not to chase women, although some of these guys tell you to chase

00:08:48.300 women or at least to buy women. So it really depends on who you, who you go towards. But the good stuff

00:08:53.880 is build up yourself and the women will follow. Show yourself to be a man of character and the

00:09:00.580 women will follow. When you chase women, then you end up with the wrong woman.

00:09:04.380 You know what I find fascinating is that Western civilization, which many of these guys purport to

00:09:09.100 love, not all of them, but a lot of guys in this, in the United States view the West as inherently

00:09:15.020 superior. It's completely built upon monogamy and a, and a family-based moral tradition.

00:09:20.460 I don't understand how you simultaneously have some of these red pill guys that are saying

00:09:24.440 bang as many women as possible and don't get married while also trying to argue that we should

00:09:29.320 be upholding and defending the values of the West. Right. Because they're existing in a post-sexual

00:09:34.540 revolution context. That's the world that they live in. They, they're still conceiving of relationships

00:09:40.180 based on how things began in the 1960s, which, which is that sexual expression is the most important

00:09:45.760 thing you can do with your freedom. And so the, the advice that I also hope fathers would give is

00:09:50.720 don't have sex before marriage, because as soon as you start sleeping together, all the hormones get

00:09:55.300 activated, the blinders go on, you fall in love and you completely lose sight of who the person is.

00:10:00.980 This is a person you're going to make a binding lifelong commitment to. And if you can't be sober

00:10:05.700 during that process, you have no idea who you're actually going to get married to. And then you end up

00:10:10.060 married and you discover that they're not who you thought they were after six or six months of

00:10:14.640 intoxic, of romantic intoxication. No, you have to stay sober through that process until the very end

00:10:19.720 so that you make sure that when you're making a covenant, a binding commitment to this woman or

00:10:23.320 this man, that you really know who they are. I think there, there's one answer to all of it and it's

00:10:29.460 go to church. Yes, Christ. Yeah. And again, I always stress this because I'm not a Christian,

00:10:35.220 but it's a function of logic. If you are going, so there's, there's, there's a couple of components

00:10:40.580 here. Birth control, very, very, very prevalent. And it affects how women think and how they smell

00:10:48.120 you. That's right. So they've done this research that when a woman gets off birth control, the man

00:10:51.660 smells different to her and she may not like it. So if you're a guy and you're living in New York,

00:10:56.820 Chicago, LA, Boston, some big city, and you're 20 years old and you meet a woman for the first time

00:11:02.320 at 20, likely she will be on birth control. And I'm not saying she shouldn't be, there's anything

00:11:07.300 wrong with that. I'm saying you both should understand what's going to happen if she comes

00:11:10.440 off of that. If you're going to start a long-term relationship, she should probably stop taking

00:11:13.920 birth control so that you can understand whether or not there's actual compatibility. But the bigger

00:11:18.020 issue I think with this is that relationships throughout the past several thousand years,

00:11:25.120 probably longer, but you grew up in the same way as your spouse. That's right. Now I think one of

00:11:31.360 the big problems is you're going to be from New York. You're going to go to school in Boston.

00:11:36.260 You are 20 years old, meaning you were an adult already, and you meet a woman and your lives

00:11:41.640 are completely different. You're from an inland area where you grew up in the woods in the mountains.

00:11:47.540 She's from the coast where she went boating. You have very little in common, but college. Now

00:11:54.200 you're at college, you have similar professors. And so your lives, just for this moment, are near each

00:11:59.240 other. And you're having conversations. You're talking about, oh man, school yesterday, you know,

00:12:03.040 the class yesterday and the professor, he was so dumb. And then there's a concert we're going to go

00:12:06.160 do that. And your similar interests find this point of inflection. And then when you leave college,

00:12:12.520 let's say you stay together, you decide to get married. All of a sudden now you're the person

00:12:16.400 who wants to go for a hike. She wants to go for a boat ride. You have completely different

00:12:20.140 expectations and worldviews. So I think one of the challenges we're facing with family today

00:12:24.360 is that you go back a hundred years, you both grew up in an agrarian culture. You both grew up working

00:12:29.140 on farms. You both expected your spouse to be like your parents or your neighbors. And so your wife

00:12:34.620 is like, I want to tend to the kids and cook dinner and make food and take care of some animals while

00:12:39.620 you go hunt. And then maybe you're a blacksmith or something. And the guy says, that's perfect.

00:12:43.920 This is the greatest thing I've ever heard of. You get married and you have the exact same

00:12:47.200 expectations, moral values, commitments, and views on, on oaths. I don't know how you repair that.

00:12:54.240 I mean, you, you go local ultimately. And there's a, there's an important element to what you said

00:13:00.980 that your, your parents in that scenario, in that small town scenario, they know each other. So your,

00:13:06.400 so her parents have seen you grow up since you were a little kid. You know, your parents have

00:13:10.060 seen her grow up. And so it's not just two individuals choosing to come together. It's

00:13:14.360 actually two families that are merging each other. And that creates such a stronger structure

00:13:18.660 around the married couple that we just don't have. And, and, and to, uh, to continue from the

00:13:23.140 example that you provided, this couple comes together in college, they get married, and then

00:13:27.340 they're still on their own in the city. And so if they want to try and build a traditional life in

00:13:31.240 the city, they have people living sort of a more modern lifestyle. So the pressures away from the

00:13:36.060 traditional life are enormous in the cities. And so they're essentially on their own.

00:13:40.340 How can human beings in the span of a couple of decades completely destroy their way of life?

00:13:48.320 Honest question.

00:13:48.980 Yeah. I'm, I'm, but this is,

00:13:50.300 Well, it took longer than a couple of decades.

00:13:51.980 I, I, maybe a hundred years.

00:13:55.400 You could probably go back to the 1800s and some of the liberal values. They flowered in the 1960s,

00:14:00.460 but the process was underway long before then, particularly in the 1950s, like the Kinsey

00:14:04.760 Report was a huge deal that we don't hear about today.

00:14:07.180 Right, right, right, right. I, I, what I mean is, even if you go back, if you go back to the 1800s,

00:14:11.820 people were still largely agrarian. We were, we were, we were coming to the point of

00:14:15.320 industrialization and you, it is true. This is where things started to change. Technology

00:14:20.340 started to come into place. Industry started to grow, but that's so, so either way, within

00:14:25.420 the span of a handful of generations, the way of life for humans, wherever you were from

00:14:31.080 was largely similar. The life you lived was the same life your grandfather or grandmother

00:14:36.020 lived. Now it's, you're in a city by yourself. Your parents are thousands of miles away or wherever

00:14:41.000 you met a person for the first time. Within a few months, you're like, hey, this is going pretty

00:14:45.740 good. Maybe we should get married, but you don't actually know each other. You've not experienced

00:14:49.300 life together. This is within the span of a very short amount of time relative to human civilization

00:14:55.360 and a complete inversion. I don't think it's possible for humans to, to, to make that work.

00:15:02.300 Well, and, and just to kind of rephrase what you were saying before that the scenario that you gave,

00:15:09.980 the problem is that we're dating strangers. Like we don't know anybody. And what you were talking

00:15:14.440 about, as far as families coming together, they already know each other. That's called social

00:15:17.980 proofing, right? So we increase the likeliness that relationships are going to work out because

00:15:24.140 we know someone who knows the person that we're about. We're trying to date. We have some sort of

00:15:28.820 social proofing as far as safety, as far as interest. Um, the list goes on all these different

00:15:33.920 qualities that go beyond, are they attractive? Do they seem nice? Right. Cause anybody can seem

00:15:38.900 nice the first time you meet them. That's right. So we're missing that element. We're also having a

00:15:44.320 world that is actually, it's a big world, but it's small now because I could say, you know what,

00:15:50.900 I'm dating a woman that's in Germany and I can get on a plane and pretend like I'm dating her. And when

00:15:55.660 I'm not there, we can chat and we can FaceTime, we can do all that stuff. The world seems a lot

00:16:00.700 smaller. Uh, we don't work in our towns anymore. We have to, I live in New Jersey. Most of the people

00:16:06.680 I know work 20 minutes and that's close or longer. Um, 45 minutes is not abnormal. So we're away from

00:16:15.140 our communities. We have less community. I live in a building with a bunch of people. I don't know

00:16:18.960 their names, you know? So it's just, I know their faces. I don't know their names. We don't,

00:16:25.400 we barely, we say hi and bye. That's about it. So we, we've become, our society has become more

00:16:31.340 technologically advanced, but we're more distant in communication and actual human relationships.

00:16:38.300 That's right. I assume both of you are married. I'm married. I just got engaged a week ago.

00:16:42.640 Oh, congratulations. Thank you. Uh, I'm curious if, um, your significant others are, uh, from the

00:16:49.380 same place as you or from some, somewhere far away from you. So my wife, um, I've mostly lived in New

00:16:56.700 Jersey. So my wife is from Brooklyn. Um, that's relative. North Jersey. Yeah. Okay. It's basically

00:17:02.380 the same thing. Yeah. It's close, close enough. Um, but once again, social proofing, I knew her

00:17:07.500 brother and that's how we, we started talking as far as friends go, but she felt comfortable talking

00:17:13.680 to me because her brother knows me. She can go to her brother. Is he a good guy? That kind of thing.

00:17:18.640 So she felt comfortable and for our friendship turned into a relationship. The reason I ask is

00:17:24.460 because as I was saying about, you know, growing up together, uh, I hear from a lot of guys, they'll

00:17:29.380 be like, it's so hard to date. And, you know, I think the reality is it's not as difficult if you are

00:17:35.500 hanging out with, uh, if you have friends who are from similar areas, not to say that it's

00:17:39.440 impossible. Like obviously there's tons of successful marriages from people who met in

00:17:43.100 college, you know, uh, nothing's impossible. It's just easier. Right. And I, I, I think one of

00:17:51.580 the biggest challenges for young men is that they're isolated on the internet. They're not going

00:17:56.440 outside. Yep. There's nothing to do outside or, I mean, there, there are tons of things outside,

00:18:01.200 but there's no social incentive anymore. Like you were mentioning, we don't know our neighbors.

00:18:05.500 Like where's the little league game, you know, where's, where's the town football match or

00:18:09.820 whatever the high school football game. Everybody's there no matter what, like whatever. And I'm

00:18:13.580 talking about, you know, a hundred years ago or not a hundred, but like 80 years ago, it

00:18:17.100 used to be the community got together and did things. Right. That's what church was a hundred,

00:18:21.140 200 years ago, every week, everybody was there. How could you not be there? That's right.

00:18:25.640 There's nothing else you should be doing, but don't be together. Yeah. Don't not be there.

00:18:28.360 Right now. Uh, nobody's anywhere. And if you're just sitting on online, it will be impossible

00:18:34.980 for you to build interests. Not impossible, but like very difficult. I mean, certainly there are

00:18:41.460 some people who are going to be like, we met over world of Warcraft. I know some people that that

00:18:45.240 happened for them and they have a shared passion and interest in that. And they're from two different

00:18:48.420 places, but they grew up in a way where they found that. Uh, so it does happen, but it's going to be

00:18:52.960 increasingly difficult when you have an isolated personal world based on how you curate your internet

00:18:57.680 experience to then relate with somebody else.

00:19:00.500 That's a really good observation that we do self-select into little silos of mutual interest

00:19:05.860 when that may not necessarily be good for us. I think there's another problem with dating and

00:19:09.900 that's the lack of, we'll say leverage. So it used to be that marriage was celebrated as normative.

00:19:15.480 It's godly. It's a blessing. Now marriage is considered oppressive. And so there, there isn't as

00:19:20.480 much of a societal incentive for people to marry. In fact, people kind of try to avoid it. And so you end

00:19:26.240 up in situations where both men and women for different reasons can delay getting married and

00:19:30.760 can say, Oh, I haven't met the right person yet. Like, no, you met the right person six months ago,

00:19:34.380 but you kind of flaked out on it. Both men and women do this because there's no leverage. There's

00:19:38.160 always endless optionality. You know what I think this is? I think it's media. You get mass media

00:19:44.680 through radio and TV and they tell you great stories of beautiful people. And so for both men and women,

00:19:51.220 and I think this more is much more likely to affect women, they see the men around them in their

00:19:56.700 communities. And these are good, normal, hardworking, working class guys. And then they see on the TV

00:20:01.780 Brad Pitt and they're told that there are better men than this. All of a sudden their view of what

00:20:07.660 is, what is a 10 and what is a one skews in a ridiculous way where the 10 is going to be the

00:20:14.880 multi-millionaire playboy philanthropist and the working class guy is a four. Hey, you know,

00:20:20.700 he's a good looking dude or whatever, but what, he makes 40K a year and he works in a mechanic shop

00:20:24.600 or something like that? No, no, no. The real opportunity is out there somewhere else.

00:20:29.500 So instead of finding your community member and neighbor who's of a similar situation to you,

00:20:35.460 people will look for their fictional other. For guys, now what are we seeing? You know,

00:20:40.920 I can sit here and say, oh, women want the celebrity man or whatever. Sure. But guys are getting robots.

00:20:45.720 Yeah, it's creepy. They're using AI apps and they're buying, they're going to start buying

00:20:49.680 Androids. They're going to be like, this is easy. And I worry too with the AI advent, which I talk

00:20:55.360 about quite a bit, people are going to plug their brains into the computer and be like, I don't need

00:20:59.000 anyone. Well, in that example, you're talking about this idea that men are just for, to be pay pigs

00:21:08.840 within a relationship. And his value is basically only what he can provide financially. And the detrimental

00:21:16.340 part about that viewpoint is that, well, what if he becomes the father of your child and you still have

00:21:21.320 that mentality? So then the father becomes optional. And so it was already bad enough that you think men are

00:21:25.820 optional, but now you think fathers are optional. So if he loses his job, he is of no value, right? And if you can

00:21:34.520 work and make more than him, then what is he there for? Because he must not provide any sort of value

00:21:39.420 to this child, right? So I think it's this complete reduction as far as what men are for, but also what

00:21:46.620 fathers are for and how much benefit we have for our kids. And I think in my circumstance, I really saw

00:21:53.220 how it affected me not having my father, but even more so when I became a father to, my son's 19 now,

00:22:00.420 when I became a father. And as he got older, I saw how much farther my son was versus when I was his

00:22:06.520 age, because he could always go to me, you know, when he would mess up, I'll be like, it's okay.

00:22:11.880 Right. I didn't have that. My mom, you know, I love my mom, but she was busy. She was working. And on top

00:22:17.520 of that, I didn't have a man to relate to, to, to kind of give me like, not to cry with me, but to be

00:22:23.240 like, get up, you'll be fine. It's okay. Everyone makes mistakes. I've made that mistake.

00:22:28.040 Like, so having that element missing, like there's so much male compassion that's missing

00:22:33.220 from families, um, only because, well, he doesn't make enough. Uh, what is he here for? He's a

00:22:39.540 headache, right? There's no willingness to have that man around because he's optional.

00:22:45.440 You know, there's a, uh, men and women are different, you know, I know it's shocking to

00:22:51.600 liberals. They're surprised by this thing. Everyone's a blank slate breaking news, but the, the

00:22:55.440 mentalities and the hormone drives of men and women are very, very different. I feel like

00:22:59.400 technology is going to cater to those hormonal desires and split men and women into different

00:23:05.740 areas where they'll probably just isolate. Yeah. I think there's very little, there's, again,

00:23:11.200 there's very little societal incentive for marriage and family. And that's why this Trump

00:23:15.580 baby, baby bonus. Now, um, I think it was Joel Berry from the Babylon Bee who said he would like that

00:23:20.860 better. And I agree with him if it were incentivizing married women to have children instead of single

00:23:25.540 women. I think that would be much, much better than just incentivizing the childbirth. But I think

00:23:29.740 once you start re-incentivizing, re-glorifying and re-honoring the marriage bond and the family

00:23:35.300 and the home, you'll see a much bigger shift. This is a terrible idea. The, uh, Trump admin

00:23:41.060 baby bonus is a terrible idea saying if a woman has a baby, you get five grand, there's going to be a

00:23:46.040 lot of fatherless children. That's right. It needs to be a married couple gets a bonus. Or I think

00:23:53.280 the better play is if you are married with two children or more, you are tax exempt from federal

00:23:58.320 income tax. States can do what States wants and the feds can do what they want. But Trump,

00:24:02.820 that he could push for that. And I think that's the right thing. So basically replacement level

00:24:06.860 fertility, tax exempt, put more money in your pocket, live more comfortably. And that's a good

00:24:12.840 incentive. I think for a, uh, I think it may have been Mike Cernovich. I'm not entirely sure. No, no,

00:24:18.520 I'm sorry. It was Matt Walsh. He said, increase taxes on single individuals to make up for the

00:24:23.960 lost revenue from married individuals. And there is a mathematical issue. And that is what if everyone

00:24:29.920 just then gets married to avoid that? Yeah. But you've accomplished something tremendous. If each

00:24:34.120 man has two kids, you've solved fertility and the government's taxing less. So it's just like a win,

00:24:38.240 win, win, isn't it? It is. Let's go. I would like to see people incentivized to have

00:24:42.820 children for more than economic reasons though. I would like to see them to see children as a

00:24:47.240 blessing from the Lord. I would like them to see a fruitfulness and, and, and family as things to be

00:24:52.460 celebrated for what they are. This is a good short-term measure, but unless we reevaluate

00:24:57.180 what family is and the meaning of home, I don't think it'll ultimately have the long-term effects we

00:25:02.960 want it to. I do think in the long run, this will be a self-correcting problem. Yes. Conservatives

00:25:10.680 select for, uh, uh, well, let's just say this. Conservatives tend to be substantially higher

00:25:16.540 rates of Christianity. Being Christian doesn't actually mean someone's really a Christian,

00:25:20.960 but there is still a higher tendency towards this. So I, I do think you're going to find a minority

00:25:25.540 of the population that are actually adherent to their faith. That being said, those that are,

00:25:32.320 are more likely to have more kids, not get divorced, raise stronger and better kids. And so,

00:25:39.580 I mean, if we look at the problem now, we might just say, I don't know, in 40 years, it kind of

00:25:44.740 corrected itself. Yes. I mean, ideally, right? I mean, the AI revolution may have something to say

00:25:49.440 about that this particular moment, but you look at conservative Christian families that believe,

00:25:54.300 again, that children are a blessing from the Lord. So they have six, eight, nine kids,

00:25:58.160 right? And then, and then you see that spread out through the years. So, uh, so my fiance,

00:26:03.520 she comes from, she's one of eight siblings. There's, you know, you have 16, you have 16 married

00:26:08.260 people in that family, 25 kids. It's a four, it's 45 people. It's like a battalion. That's exactly

00:26:13.220 right. But it's so beautiful to see versus the family that I come from, which is significantly

00:26:17.600 smaller and shrinking. And so my, you know, my own life is, is a testimony to, you see children as a

00:26:23.040 blessing from the Lord. You see fruitfulness that spreads out and you solve the problem over time.

00:26:26.660 And families that don't believe that tend to shrink. Indeed. Well, I could be absolutely wrong

00:26:33.120 about this, but are we overreacting when it comes to fertility rates? I mean, it's not to say that

00:26:39.200 fertility rates aren't going down, but the necessity to keep it at a certain level, because part of me

00:26:45.580 thinks that America hasn't always had 330 million people living in it, right? Give or take, who knows

00:26:54.520 about illegal aliens, right? But America has always been at this size. Yet somehow our society

00:27:00.980 function. I always feel like humans are adaptable. And so if there are less people, then our society

00:27:06.740 adjusts and we adapt to it. So this idea that we must maintain the same size. And if people are making

00:27:14.700 different choices, we live in a free society. If people don't want to have kids, matter of fact,

00:27:19.300 as much as I am pro-child, if you don't want kids, please don't make kids. Like the last thing we need

00:27:24.520 don't want children. Don't do that to kids. But if we have a society where they don't want kids

00:27:31.000 and there's less of it, well then wouldn't our society just adjust to less people? And on top

00:27:36.760 of that, we were just going on about AI. Well, AI is going to take certain jobs that existed before

00:27:42.440 that don't exist anymore. In the same way, we don't have horse and buggy. We have all these

00:27:48.080 different advancements where we don't need manpower in specific ways and it shifts.

00:27:54.660 There will be a crisis and a major disaster period following depopulation. And it's because

00:28:00.880 you can look at it a variety of ways. Let's say there's a company and there's a single guy who

00:28:06.520 is a blacksmith. And then he gets a bunch of customers and makes a bunch of money. And he

00:28:10.360 says, I got too many customers. I got to hire somebody. So he hires somebody. In hiring that

00:28:13.760 person, he has to buy more materials. He has to expand his space so that two people can work there.

00:28:17.840 He gets more customers, eventually ends up with 15 employees and he's got a big company.

00:28:22.100 One day, the population of his town collapses. Nobody had babies. So 20 years goes by and now

00:28:27.300 older people have moved and retired. No one's buying from anymore. No money is coming in. He goes

00:28:32.420 to his employees and says, I can't afford to keep some of you because we don't have customers. So five

00:28:35.600 of you are fired. Uh-oh, he already expanded the building. He's got hard fixed costs. He's got

00:28:39.940 property taxes. He's got, uh, heating and air conditioning for his building. Fixed cost. With

00:28:46.660 less people in the town to work those jobs, the demand is high and the supply is low. So the costs

00:28:52.000 go even higher. This will create an economic collapse. The fixed cost of infrastructure that

00:28:56.980 was built up in cities will not go down. And so when the population declines, maintaining urban

00:29:03.640 infrastructure will become extremely much, much more expensive as the cost of that infrastructure

00:29:08.520 is divvied up among less people. The terrifying thing that is, if we face a true population

00:29:13.980 decline in a city like New York, you get to the point where skyscrapers and bridges start

00:29:18.660 falling down. And I'm half kidding, but not really. I should say I'm being a bit hyperbolic

00:29:23.700 is a better way to phrase it. But these buildings require maintenance. And if you can't get someone

00:29:30.580 to do the work, then literally just won't happen. So when you look at these skyscrapers, they'll

00:29:36.520 start to decay. Eventually a window will fall off and slam into the ground. Bits and pieces

00:29:41.080 will start breaking apart. People will then flee those areas. This is what we can expect

00:29:47.260 with population decline. Additionally, with population decline, you will, you will get a

00:29:51.320 lack of specialty jobs, which will result in a recession of technology. It'll be much more

00:29:58.160 difficult to get a computer. They'll be only for the wealthiest individuals because the amount

00:30:03.660 of specialists you need to be trained in one very specific thing for a computer is it's

00:30:09.620 high. And the more people you have and the more specialties you can develop, the more

00:30:13.940 technology you can make. That's why Elon Musk is so freaked out about the declining fertility

00:30:17.480 rate.

00:30:18.060 Right.

00:30:18.160 So if, if we were to like see a massive decline in fertility, like we're looking at, I think 1.2

00:30:26.420 right now. So what's the projection in 50, 100 years, our population's cut in half. There's not

00:30:32.940 going to be a lot of luxury. People are going to have to rely more on themselves. A lot of this is

00:30:36.200 actually pretty good, but the, the, the, the, the people who are in favor of depopulation say we

00:30:43.640 retain the knowledge of technological advancement, but get rid of the excess, the lazy, the bottom

00:30:49.060 feeders, and only the strongest survive. And it's a natural ebb and flow that people believe that

00:30:53.980 terrible. I, yep. The, well, the argument is whether you want it to be true or not, liberals

00:30:58.760 are doing drugs. They're not having children. They're doing meaningless tedium work and they're

00:31:04.900 happy to do it. Um, Chelsea Handler famously was like, I wake up at 6am, do drugs and masturbate.

00:31:09.860 Who cares? What is she, what does she contribute? Is she making food? No, it's just excess. I don't

00:31:16.400 know or care what she does, but it's a fact. She and her worldview will cease to exist with

00:31:21.500 her. Yes. I think that there's going to be consequences before then as well, because

00:31:25.980 children are how we, uh, they extend our time horizon. So if we don't have children, we're

00:31:32.360 living just for the next, say five to 10 years of our lives and trying not to think about old

00:31:36.680 age, right? As soon as you start having children, you see yourself in them as they grow up and grow

00:31:42.920 older. And then you see yourself in grandchildren. So your time horizon for your life extends and it

00:31:48.040 gives you a reason to invest in the future. And so if you're not taking that step, then you're

00:31:52.880 thinking about your own son's pleasures. You're getting up and you're masturbating and eating

00:31:56.200 whatever, right? Instead of being like, well, how can I make life better for my kids? And so you'll

00:32:00.680 see the societal decline much faster than just 50 years from now. You'll see it in your own life

00:32:05.560 within five years. And so I think the fertility, the fertility crisis is actually a crisis of moral

00:32:11.560 value, a crisis of life meaning, and that'll have consequences throughout our society very soon

00:32:17.120 for those, for those who don't rise to the challenge. We're seeing it now. Uh, about eight

00:32:22.600 years ago, I, I covered this story where, um, in the two thousands, fertility among conservatives was

00:32:28.300 1.8 and liberals was 1. I'm sorry. Conservatives was 2.03 and liberals was 1.43. So this means for

00:32:37.040 every four conservatives born three, rough math, three liberals are born. Whether you argue and

00:32:45.060 protest, none of it mattered. The core values and worldview of the children before they're exposed

00:32:52.060 to the propaganda would largely lean conservative. What are we seeing now? They're running all these

00:32:56.880 stories where they're like, Gen Z is more conservative than millennials and Gen Z is, is moving to Christ

00:33:02.060 more than millennials. Half true. We are seeing a bit of an ideological shift as Gen Z gets older,

00:33:08.480 but it's largely due to the fact that conservatives had more kids. So there's more conservatives

00:33:15.040 entering the voting block. Okay. Simply by virtue of conservatives having math. It's just math.

00:33:19.980 Uh, liberals have abortions and they sterilize their kids. Conservatives have many, many,

00:33:24.580 exactly. And conservatives have tons of kids. Do the math. Give it two generations. I'm in,

00:33:30.500 you know, I had, I had a wonderful magical moment that I, I know many of you, uh, listening have,

00:33:34.780 have experienced when, um, my wife and my, my daughter, she's got her, you know, on the ground

00:33:42.280 with my mother-in-law on the phone with her mother. So great grandma, grandma, mom, and baby,

00:33:50.540 four generations, all sitting there giggling and laughing with each other. It was magic.

00:33:53.800 There you go. Now for conservatives and when they have, they're having their kids younger and

00:33:58.160 they're having more. I, I, I think I don't see, this is probably why Democrats are pushing so hard

00:34:04.540 on the illegal immigration thing. They cannot replace their worldview. It's, it's gone. And with the

00:34:09.880 sentiments in this country on illegal immigration, I hate to be crass, but it's a self-correcting

00:34:15.700 problem, isn't it? Ultimately, ultimately the math all went out. We're good. Let's go party.

00:34:20.480 I mean, the question is what kind of devastation will be, will we experience until the problem

00:34:24.480 corrects itself? Yeah. Well, I, I do think that cause we were talking about Trump and then credit

00:34:30.620 and all this, all these different things, but I do think it's incredibly important for us to shift

00:34:35.240 the culture. Um, we have to talk about, yes, are things getting more expensive? Yes, of course.

00:34:42.900 But listen, broke people have children too. Like they just do. And they find value in having children

00:34:47.980 and maybe you don't need this. Like, and there are legitimate situations where maybe you just don't

00:34:54.500 need these things. There's a value in having a child. You just named a moment where you have multiple

00:35:00.840 generations on the phone. You can't put a price tag on that, right? It is something that is, it is

00:35:06.360 natural. It is beautiful to experience. And I don't care how much tax credit you give, you can't

00:35:11.960 replace that with $5,000. Um, so I do think that we have to talk about it as, as far as a culture,

00:35:18.000 the immediate going to, Oh, children are a drain. Children are this, and this remixing children as being

00:35:24.460 by virtue of someone else creating them. They didn't ask to be here. Somehow you blame them for

00:35:30.540 draining you. Right. And that's what I kind of talk about in my book, this element of selfishness,

00:35:36.360 this element of, I don't want to sacrifice, right? Because once you become a parent, you have to

00:35:41.780 sacrifice for someone who cannot do for themselves. That's what a children, they are unable to do that.

00:35:46.620 Your child can't get in a car, go somewhere, get a job and take care of themselves. You have to do that.

00:35:51.780 So it means you have to sacrifice time and effort and money, but there is something absolutely

00:35:56.880 wonderful about that. The, the best time I ever had when it came to raising my son was his first

00:36:03.460 year. His mother went back to work. I worked overnights. I would pick him up right after work

00:36:08.640 and I would watch him all day. I would get like three hours of sleep and I was exhausted. I would

00:36:14.160 take days off just so I could sleep, but it was the best time because I got to watch my son grow up.

00:36:19.420 Even though I was exhausted, I would take a nap when he took a nap and I can't replace that. And

00:36:24.340 it built a bond, like you can't offer me money that would replace that feeling I had raising my

00:36:30.280 son. And remember men aren't, men don't care about raising children. Remember that's part of the

00:36:34.460 culture. No, there's something absolutely beautiful about that. Being next to my son every day, changing

00:36:39.240 his diapers, feeding him, watching him grow, tickling him, watching him laugh. There is so much

00:36:45.320 wonder and beauty in these, in this particular act as far as being a father that we do not talk

00:36:50.080 enough about. Amen. Indeed. Well, so let's, uh, let's, let's, let's help out some young guys these

00:36:56.200 days. Uh, you know, my view of this manosphere stuff, whatever you want to call that, I don't

00:37:02.920 know, is, uh, I, I think these guys are, are, are, what's, how can I say this? Um, cowards,

00:37:11.780 maybe. Avoid it. Pussies is the word they might want to use. Many of them are. Uh, but I'll explain

00:37:17.960 why I think that you get these guys that they get real tough. You know, they, they, they, they sound

00:37:23.740 tough. They, they work out, they get ripped and they say, you got to bang all these women. Screw

00:37:28.400 that. Um, they're talking about having as many girls as you can and women are bad. So, and I'm

00:37:34.680 just like, you know, throughout history, men have been, uh, the, the men who built Western civilization

00:37:41.840 and succeeded were the, were the men willing to throw themselves on the grenade. They were the men

00:37:45.780 who were willing to sacrifice themselves for, for the world they believed in. Uh, some of these men

00:37:51.120 were the ones who yelled deus wult and were in the crusades. And, uh, you know, as much to, uh, the

00:37:58.020 Christians who may not want to hear this, even the Islamic jihadis, these were men who were fighting

00:38:04.160 and dying because they were like, you must live the way I demand it. There was a demand. Now we've got

00:38:11.840 a lot of guys who are like, I don't want to deal with hardship. So I refuse to. And I'm like, okay,

00:38:17.580 that's like your pussy, dude. Uh, and I'm using that word intentionally to insult them. Uh, look

00:38:24.800 guys today that we value and honor are the, are the ones who run into a burning building and die.

00:38:30.100 They're the first responders who run into the towers on nine 11, trying to save as many people

00:38:34.540 as possible. And then the buildings collapse on them. They're the men and women who enlist to go serve,

00:38:39.400 um, our country and our interests and protect our interests. Even if bad people are in politics,

00:38:46.400 it's, it's about the service and duty to this country. And then there's this fear of influence

00:38:50.220 where guys are like, you know what guys you're mistreated and feminists are bad. So you should

00:38:56.100 not be an honorable man or a man of virtue. You should be as degenerate and mean spirited as they

00:39:03.960 are so that you can experience pleasure. That's really what it is. And maybe I'm being a little bit

00:39:08.000 crass, but a lot of these guys are basically saying, don't suffer. You should just have

00:39:13.880 whatever you want. Don't let them take it from you. And I'm just like, I don't know. I always

00:39:18.100 thought being a man was you, you're born in the dirt. You're stepped on, you're treated like crap,

00:39:23.020 you're spit on. And you, and by the time you're a man, you're carved out of stone and you are

00:39:27.020 unfazed by the trivialities of the world. But now we have a lot of young men being influenced by

00:39:31.880 guys who are, who look like they're carved out of stone, but they're wads of cookie dough.

00:39:37.760 Yeah.

00:39:37.820 They've never actually fought. They've never gone through hardship. They've never been

00:39:40.200 homeless. They've never been trounced upon or, you know, disrespected. And I'm not saying all of

00:39:44.880 them. I'm saying some of these guys are acting like they happen when they're not.

00:39:48.500 One of the things I like to draw a distinction between gravitas versus bravado.

00:39:52.740 So bravado is big. It's flashy, right? You can put bravado on a credit card. You can get a flashy

00:39:59.100 car and you can get a big house and you can act the part, right? But those men typically have very

00:40:04.660 weak spines. A man who has gravitas creates a sense of gravity around him that's based on

00:40:10.480 overcoming suffering. And he doesn't need to announce himself. He doesn't need to, you know,

00:40:15.040 be flashy. He can just walk into a room and people somehow orient towards that man. That's a man who

00:40:20.040 has righteously overcome suffering. And one of the things I wanted to say about the first responders

00:40:25.700 is men are naturally drawn to seek glory. And of course, you know, being a first responder,

00:40:31.120 being a soldier, rushing into the buildings on 9-11, things like that are naturally very glorious.

00:40:35.940 But we've lost a sense of the glory of righteous fatherhood. We don't honor fathers in the way that

00:40:41.160 we once did in our society. And there can be something equally glorious about a father having kids,

00:40:46.040 having say eight kids, whatever, when he starts at age 20 and faithfully works a blue collar job

00:40:50.720 to support his family. So his kids grow up and have even more kids than he did. And being that man

00:40:55.720 who plants himself like a tree and supports the growth of all of that, that is as glorious as

00:41:01.180 running into a building on 9-11, not to take anything away from that. But we've lost the sense

00:41:05.640 of honoring that. And so if we can bring back the sense of glory and fatherhood, God glorifying

00:41:10.320 fatherhood, I think a lot of this stuff will get fixed.

00:41:13.040 How do we teach young men to be men?

00:41:17.060 They're fathers.

00:41:18.740 Well, I get it. But what are we seeing now? We're seeing a large amount of young men are

00:41:23.440 entering their 30s as virgins. And that's not to say that they should be going out and

00:41:28.620 banging women. It's saying that they should be married and having children by that age.

00:41:32.580 And not to give any special privileges to myself. I wasn't married. And I only had a kid recently.

00:41:39.940 I'm 39. But I think it's fair to say that our society has driven a lot of young men into a

00:41:44.980 wayward area. And in my experience, I would say, don't do the things that I did. Find someone you

00:41:50.140 love and care about as soon as you can and have those kids. But a lot of young men are playing

00:41:53.140 video games all day. They're not going outside. They're not engaging in sports. They're eating

00:41:56.840 terrible food. In Japan, they have a group of young men they call hikikomori.

00:42:01.880 Have you heard of this? Yep. They lock themselves in their bedrooms and play video

00:42:05.140 games all day and do nothing. And we've got that problem, too. Yeah. Yeah. So if their fathers

00:42:09.420 aren't teaching them, you know, what do we do as a society? Or is the answer really just a bit

00:42:16.140 cynical? We wait. And conservatives who do teach their kids will just out reproduce them. It's a sad

00:42:23.640 prospect. Well, I think it's twofold. I say kind of quick fathers. But we need strong and willing

00:42:30.580 fathers, right? I think we have a lot of avoidant men that exist. We also have a lot of weak men who

00:42:35.800 let the mothers take over the role of the father as well, even if they're in the household. So they

00:42:42.040 cave in. They allow the child to do the thing that they want to do, right? Because, well, it's a lot

00:42:46.200 easier to just make my child my friend and just give them the thing that they want. But it's not the

00:42:52.740 thing that they need. They need to get up and get off the couch and go get a job. They need to learn

00:42:57.980 these things. They need to have responsibility. They need to learn to sacrifice. So I do think

00:43:04.120 that the fathers, it's not just enough for them to be there. It's not just enough for them to go to

00:43:09.440 work. They have to be actively involved in their child's life. And I would venture to say that that

00:43:14.680 young man that went from the age of 17 into the mid-20s, stuck at home playing video games, is a young

00:43:23.000 man who is depressed, right? I play video games. We all play video games. That's fine. But there's a

00:43:29.220 balance in life, right? You play video games outside of the responsibilities and the duties

00:43:35.140 that you have as a young man, right? It's to supplement. It's to take, you know, some sort of

00:43:39.860 distraction. I view video games as, I'll put it this way. If I could skateboard every single day for

00:43:45.880 eight hours, I would, but your body breaks down. You have to rest. You can't, right, so you need

00:43:52.060 days off. Well then, on a day that I can't, because it's a rest day, what do I do to rest and then put

00:43:58.920 my mind in a different space? Video games are for when you have no choice but to slow down and rest,

00:44:05.600 otherwise you're going to burn yourself out. Not something you should be doing 24-7, where instead

00:44:10.120 you burn yourself out on video games. Correct. To be fair though, I have respect for pro gamers who,

00:44:15.880 create an entertaining job for people and work really hard at their craft and take care of

00:44:20.540 themselves, that's totally fine. But for the people who are doing, the issue I find with video games

00:44:26.320 as opposed to any other sport is that if you're doing a sport as a hobby and not a career, you're

00:44:32.440 in shape. You're going to be healthy. You're going to live longer. You're going to be sharper.

00:44:36.140 But if you're doing video games all day and nothing else, your mind might, your dexterity might be

00:44:41.020 pretty good and your mind might be quicker in some respects, but without the physical activity,

00:44:45.240 you're going to be weak, out of shape, and it's going to be hard for you, and you will get

00:44:49.480 depressed. As we know, one of the easiest ways to cure your average depression, not like serious

00:44:55.180 defective depression, is just exercise. You go for a run, you get a dopamine release, and you feel

00:45:01.320 really good. And they say, for people who are depressed, you need to start exercising. And I

00:45:04.600 think for a lot of guys, that's probably it. That's a good start. Yeah. So I think the trick here is

00:45:10.320 how do we properly motivate men? Now, I'm like you. I came to a lot of this stuff later in my life,

00:45:15.500 and I don't want to come off like, well, Will is the authority about all this stuff. My authority is

00:45:19.240 God's word. And God says to be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and subdue it. Do we believe that

00:45:24.980 that is good and just and righteous and beautiful and glorious? Do we believe that? Because if we

00:45:29.480 really believe that as both men and women, then we will obey that and we will discover the blessings

00:45:34.220 of that. If we want to say, ah, I don't know, I don't think that that's so good, then you're not going to

00:45:38.720 find the right way to motivate people. You can incentivize people with social shaming. You can

00:45:42.440 incentivize them with $5,000. You know, you can put them on the cover of a magazine. But ultimately,

00:45:47.420 unless you believe in your core that being a father, being a mother, having a family is glorifying

00:45:53.700 in the grandest way, I don't think you're going to have the strength to get through it, especially

00:45:58.480 not today, because our entire world is set up for single people and incentivizes single people.

00:46:04.480 It's an uphill battle. You will be swimming upstream if you want to be

00:46:07.680 a righteous and a godly husband and a father. And so what will sustain you through those

00:46:11.680 challenges, you have to do it for some reason bigger than yourself. And doing it for Western

00:46:15.500 civilization, I don't think even that's big enough.

00:46:17.840 It's hard when—it's hard to get a single individual to change their life for a society

00:46:22.560 that's broken.

00:46:24.340 Yes and no. Yes and no. Because when you can show them a picture of something that's so much

00:46:30.220 more beautiful than anything they could have imagined, and you inspire them with a vision,

00:46:33.720 that can get them to change.

00:46:35.720 That's true. I suppose it's optimist versus pessimist.

00:46:39.160 Yes, but I think it's even deeper than that. I think there's a longing that's built into every

00:46:43.000 human heart to want that. And I think it's been buried, and I think it's been suppressed,

00:46:47.080 and I think it's been shamed, and I think you have institutes like The View that are doing that.

00:46:50.960 But ultimately, I think it's part of us as a being. And if you can awaken that in somebody,

00:46:55.740 I think you can find them change very, very quickly.

00:46:58.040 You know, I hear a lot of excuses from people throughout my life. There's always an excuse.

00:47:02.860 And my only thought to people is that if you will make an excuse for your failure, you will not

00:47:08.240 succeed. Correct.

00:47:09.600 If, you know, the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. And I hear over and

00:47:15.120 over again, people make excuses for why they're not able to do something. And one of the most annoying

00:47:19.140 to me is if I only had the money, then I'd be able to do it. Right. And that is one of the most

00:47:26.520 common things. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure Jeff Bezos didn't have the money and was nearly bankrupt

00:47:33.780 several times with Amazon. What he had was some kind of, I don't know, man, he's got a little

00:47:39.620 gremlin inside him screaming work. So, you know, his story is he got an idea. He, I think, I think

00:47:46.280 he borrowed money to start doing online book sales. And then it was doing really well, but his margins

00:47:53.060 were thin and he was not, he was struggling to afford his life. So he tried opening up to other

00:47:58.300 products outside of books and this brought them to the brink of bankruptcy. So they introduced,

00:48:03.320 they got investment along the way. They were, they were struggling to grow and they were at the brink

00:48:07.060 of bankruptcy. And I could be wrong about this. I was reading it, just a cursory thing. They

00:48:10.440 introduced third party marketplace on Amazon, meaning someone else's store could just sell

00:48:15.140 through them. And then all of a sudden, yeah, also they were profitable. And now they have

00:48:19.460 distribution centers everywhere. And Amazon owns standard consumer sales. Right. And now Bezos

00:48:25.240 is always like the third richest person in the world. He's not somebody who was just rich and just

00:48:30.400 had the money. And what I find is if you go to someone who says, man, you know, if I had the money,

00:48:36.900 I would do it. You give them the money. They're not going to do it. That's right. It's the people who do

00:48:41.200 it. And so that's the frustrating thing. You try to explain to people how to succeed and they say,

00:48:47.600 easy for you to say you're successful. And I'm like, well, yeah, I'm telling you how to get there,

00:48:51.400 but they don't believe it. That's right. Yeah. I mean, even, um, even if they had the money,

00:48:56.980 you're absolutely correct. Cause it's what's between their ears. There are people who've won the lottery

00:49:02.040 tens and hundreds of millions of dollars and they're broke five years later. They had the money.

00:49:06.060 So what happened? Well, it's because they don't have it in between their ears. One,

00:49:10.600 they didn't earn the money, right? It was by, by chance. So they don't value it. They don't know

00:49:15.320 how to hold onto it. And the list goes on. So there's an element of hard work. There's an element

00:49:21.240 of persevering and actually failure that is necessary. And most of the successful people

00:49:26.400 that I know have failed at something or multiple things. And they've learned from those failures

00:49:31.460 and not wallowed in it. This is what these people don't get about Donald Trump. That's right.

00:49:35.600 And it's because they're either emotionally blocked from understanding this. They say,

00:49:40.280 uh, I can't remember which prominent liberals had it recently that Trump, Trump has bankrupted all of

00:49:44.180 his businesses. They said, it's flat out not true. I think Trump's had five prominent bankruptcies

00:49:50.300 out of 500 companies. They say things like whatever happened to Trump magazine or Trump steaks or Trump

00:49:55.760 water, those went under. No, actually those are from his restaurants and hotels. He makes those

00:50:02.160 products internally for his, for his, his hospitality, right? You own a hotel, source your

00:50:07.700 own beef, save money. They can't comprehend this. They either have Trump derangement syndrome or they

00:50:13.860 can't understand that actually bankruptcy isn't failure. And Trump probably failed more times than

00:50:19.740 you can count. That's right. People who succeed view failure very differently than, than these people

00:50:26.400 who are complaining about it. I suppose you can view rejection that way in any capacity from a job

00:50:31.560 or from a woman or, or a man. Guys who have successful relationships are probably like,

00:50:36.680 oh yeah, I asked out like 50 women over the past couple of years. And those dates all went poorly.

00:50:40.840 And they did some, most of them told me, no, they weren't interested. The ones that did,

00:50:44.100 they didn't work out. And then I found my wife. Yeah. Then there are people who are like,

00:50:47.900 you got rejected. That's the worst thing. You get rejected all the time. And it's like, well,

00:50:50.720 yeah, like 90% is going to be failure. But when you find your success, you will. I think a lot of

00:50:55.340 people are scared of failure because they think you lose when you fail, as opposed to you become

00:51:01.040 stronger when you fail. Well, that's also the, and we were dealing with this in 2020,

00:51:05.840 the victim mentality that exists. Uh, woe is me. I don't have this because people from generations

00:51:12.540 ago were treated badly. So that's why I haven't succeeded, which is nonsense. Right. Um, and just

00:51:20.320 like what you said, the example of bad relationship, bad relationship. Oh, I found my wife. I got married.

00:51:25.420 That's literally my story. So, you know, I'm getting married later, later in life,

00:51:30.380 finding the right person that I want to be with for the rest of my life. But there's so much to

00:51:34.980 learn from failure. Most of the things that I've improved on in life was because I failed at

00:51:39.440 something or I've used those failures to help other people. So there's different ways that you can view

00:51:46.180 these things. So either you can say, well, I failed. And so why try, I'm going to give up. Or you can say,

00:51:52.640 I failed, but you know what, here's what I could have done better. And next time I'm going to do

00:51:56.040 it better becoming 100%. And I had at times in my life, a victim mentality, um, admittingly,

00:52:02.680 but the moment I said, I'm going to be accountable for 100% of what I, uh, what, where my hand touched

00:52:10.960 on whatever was going on. That's when my life changed. So if I just make up something, if I get

00:52:16.280 fired from my job, I don't want to automatically say, well, my boss is a jerk. That's why I got fired.

00:52:20.960 It's like, all right, well, my boss might be a jerk, but what could I have done that was better?

00:52:24.780 So next time I don't get fired from my job. You touched on something really important,

00:52:29.440 which I think is integrity. And I think how, how a man responds to failure depends a lot on whether

00:52:35.180 he conducted his campaign with integrity, because if you did absolutely everything that you can,

00:52:40.420 right, you, you worked 16 hour days, you turned, you kicked over every rock, you did absolutely

00:52:45.040 everything you could and circumstances didn't fall your way. It's like, well, okay, well,

00:52:49.000 you can't control everything. Let me apply that same work ethic to the next thing. But if you cut

00:52:53.540 corners and you try and you try and take shortcuts and then things don't work out, it's actually,

00:52:57.980 I think what people feel it's an incrimination on them. Like, oh, I failed because I'm bad. Well,

00:53:02.600 yeah, you kind of didn't do it the way that you were supposed to. But if you showed up every day

00:53:06.300 with a hundred percent work ethic and it doesn't work out, then you take that work ethic and you apply

00:53:10.200 it again, and then you will see it succeed at some point. And that muscle, I think is something

00:53:14.640 that men need to learn to develop. Indeed. Also, maybe you're a loser, but it's, this is reality.

00:53:20.400 Always a possibility. You might just be a loser. And this means that you will do everything in your

00:53:25.400 power. You will, you will follow your ideas and you will lose and you'll be an 80 year old man.

00:53:29.480 You'll be sitting there in your own filth thinking I'm a loser. That's reality. That's a possibility for

00:53:35.680 everybody. This idea that you, you, I'm scared of being a loser. So I'll do nothing. Well,

00:53:41.560 then you skipped the course and you're a loser now. Then there's the idea of, yeah,

00:53:45.440 but if I work really, really hard and it fails, I'll be a loser. Yeah. You've skipped the course

00:53:50.380 and you're there now. This is life. There is no guarantee that your ideas will work. There's

00:53:55.020 no guarantee that even if you have the greatest idea ever, that people will want to listen to you.

00:53:59.200 You can be the greatest salesperson with the greatest idea. And you, you know, in your heart of

00:54:03.520 hearts that your methodology for insert technology, insert weight politics is the right way to do

00:54:09.440 things. And you may end up 80 years old with a litany of written works that no one ever bought.

00:54:14.140 And then you die. And you know what? That's happened to a lot of people and we don't know

00:54:18.220 their names. We don't know who they are. Some of these people, they died. And then 50 years later,

00:54:23.160 someone found their book and said, this guy's a genius. Or they saw their painting and said,

00:54:27.160 wow, these are the greatest paintings I've ever seen. And the dude died in the poor house.

00:54:31.560 He thought he a loser his whole life. Humanity struggles and advances on the fact that some

00:54:39.820 people win and some people lose. There are iterations of everything being attempted at all

00:54:45.280 times that we can fathom. And only a small handful succeed and find the path forward.

00:54:51.960 Everybody is trying to seek that path through the forest to the other side. And you know what?

00:54:56.420 A lot of people don't. A better way to explain it historically,

00:54:59.040 when the colonists from Europe were coming to the new world in the earliest of days,

00:55:03.780 the pilgrims, they knew that what I believe 30% on that ship would die. And they were told,

00:55:10.780 we're going to go on this boat. We got enough food to make it there. We get caught by a storm

00:55:15.080 and we lose time. Yeah. Third of everyone here will die. You'll be dead. So we're counting on some

00:55:20.480 of you dying. Like we don't want it to happen. In fact, in some circumstances, they actually stored

00:55:25.840 food knowing that within three months there would be dead people. So they didn't actually need enough

00:55:31.160 food for everybody on the ship because nothing could be done about that. They'd say it is a fact

00:55:36.280 that 10 people are going to die. We don't know which 10. So we don't actually need food for 30 people.

00:55:41.820 We need food for 25. They still got in that boat. And then they died. And there were people who were in

00:55:49.620 this country when the country was being formed and they said, we're going to head west. We're going to find

00:55:55.320 land. And they were told, yep, half of you are going to die. And they went, okay, let's roll, baby.

00:56:01.620 It's kind of crazy that that's how humans used to be. Not everybody. Some people stayed back in Europe

00:56:07.140 and they said it's crowded. It's cramped. The government's brutal. We suffer, but it's safe.

00:56:12.700 That's a choice you can take if you want to take it. Then there are the great adventurers and they try.

00:56:16.880 And you know what? We don't know. We never talk about the names of the people who

00:56:21.480 tried to settle the new world who didn't because they died. They never made it or they got here

00:56:27.280 and starved to death. It's remarkable to me to think that there were men and women and children

00:56:32.000 who decided to get on a ship and head somewhere they'd never seen on a three month journey across

00:56:37.120 the Atlantic to land on a barren shore with no farms, no trees and no shelter, knowing half of them

00:56:44.180 were going to die. And they had to get there. They had to get there in time for harvest to get

00:56:48.660 food. Otherwise they'd have no food for the winter. And the natives did not want them there.

00:56:52.540 Yeah. And this is actually why we have Thanksgiving because they were, some of them were saved.

00:56:57.780 So that's, that's the mentality I see. This is a country and it's not just this country. That's

00:57:02.100 just one history, but all over the world, there are stories of this. Right. So for these,

00:57:05.660 for these young people, men and women, I think the important lesson is you might be the person

00:57:10.320 on the Mayflower who died. There's nothing wrong with that. I mean, we don't want you to die. We

00:57:15.360 don't want that to be the case, but it is a reality of the world that if a hundred people all set out

00:57:19.980 on an adventure to try and solve some great problem, only a small handful are going to succeed.

00:57:25.140 Which one will you be? Maybe by no fault of your own. Let's say we're trying to chart a course,

00:57:32.160 an effective path from, from, uh, Tennessee to Oregon and a hundred people go out on a journey.

00:57:38.580 And there's one guy who's the bravest. He's the smartest. He's fit. He's wealthy. And everybody

00:57:44.180 says he's going to make it. And then he decides to go on one river, which turns into a rapid and

00:57:49.400 through no fault of his own lightning strikes a tree. It falls down and crushes him. Never could

00:57:54.560 have planned for that. And no one knows his name. It's not that he's a loser. It's that not everyone

00:58:00.580 can succeed. I think the question then is we don't have to have Mayflower journeys anymore. In fact,

00:58:06.780 what you, what you see is a lot of these billionaires, like James Cameron goes to the

00:58:10.320 bottom of the ocean. Jeff Bezos is going into space. All these billionaires are trying to,

00:58:14.400 Elon Musk wants to go to Mars, right? So they're trying to recreate these kind of Mayflower-esque

00:58:18.680 journeys. You know, maybe they're fool's errands, who knows, but what's the Mayflower-esque journey

00:58:23.300 that a man can go on today? It's to be a father in a, in a very real sense. Like that is the ocean

00:58:28.620 that you have to cross to, to establish that new world. That's what we're talking about here. How are we

00:58:33.900 going to get from where we are now, you know, with declining fertility, et cetera, to where we want

00:58:38.460 to be. And the way that we do that is through the family. And that is the great adventure to go on.

00:58:42.480 Maybe not every man is going to make it, but the commitment to the journey is what really matters.

00:58:46.960 Yeah. And I think throughout many of these examples, we're talking about people who are willing

00:58:51.260 to make their purpose about sacrificing for something, something more than themselves. And

00:58:57.440 I think that is a really, really big part. So why would they willingly risk their lives

00:59:03.940 to either help somebody else or to have this hypothetical, maybe in the future, we discover

00:59:12.100 something. Why would they do that? It's because, well, the sacrifice is greater than me. And I think

00:59:18.540 that is something that, if I'm just speaking like in the Christian faith, right, is to sacrifice

00:59:24.200 for someone that is greater than yourself, the higher authority. But it's this constant

00:59:29.840 element of sacrifice and love, including sacrifice. And our relationships have devolved.

00:59:36.420 And we are not talking about love. We're talking about finding a girlfriend. We're not talking

00:59:43.080 about sacrificing for someone. That element of sacrifice is missing. And when it's missing,

00:59:49.580 when you get into that relationship, it's also going to be missing when you try to raise that

00:59:53.280 child. If you've just lived your life just to do the thing that you've only wanted to do

00:59:58.680 and for nobody else, you've lived an ultimate selfish lifestyle. You don't have the muscle

01:00:05.720 of sacrificing for anything. And now you have a child that enters this world. Are you going

01:00:10.900 to give up yourself for someone else? That's a really hard thing for a lot of people. And many

01:00:17.380 of them don't do it or they act like they're doing it, but they make excuses for the certain

01:00:23.220 moments to do the thing they actually want to do. Yeah. I mean, pleasure seeking is so easy right

01:00:29.160 now. We live in an age of infinite distractions. A moment is slightly uncomfortable. We go straight

01:00:34.300 to our phones or you can go to the liquor store. You can go to a nightclub or you can do a thousand

01:00:38.140 different things. The, the, the notion of pouring ourselves into something larger than us,

01:00:42.700 that is a lifelong commitment is a lot of people are scared. We, we, we have people who have jobs

01:00:48.200 for two years and they changed to a new place. They moved to a new town. Everything is set up for

01:00:52.160 impermanence, but a child is permanent. Right. And so people are scared of that. We were, we've been

01:00:57.580 talking about this quite a bit as well, but technology, I've been talking about AI quite a bit. Um, I don't

01:01:02.360 think people truly understand how devastating AI is going to be very rapidly, but technology in general

01:01:07.240 is reshaping everything. So as we mentioned with video games, what we're seeing is technology is

01:01:13.060 chasing after self-gratification. And so for a lot of young people, they are being offered up the means

01:01:19.880 to trigger the dopamine release in their brain in absurd ways. Video games obviously is a big one,

01:01:24.280 but also porn and other distractions. You have an endless stream of entertaining content that pulls

01:01:29.920 you away from the real world and tells you to sit at home, stay on your couch and binge used to be.

01:01:35.200 Well, we had three channels and there were a handful of shows and they came out with an episode once a

01:01:40.500 week. So there's no binging. It was, if you liked the show, you watched it. And if you didn't, you

01:01:44.780 didn't say you'd come home from work and you watch TV with the family. Maybe even then it was getting

01:01:48.320 a little bad. Now, I mean, how many, how many streaming services are there? You got Apple, you got

01:01:54.260 prime, you've got Paramount, Disney, you've got max. Uh, what else? What am I missing? I'm missing a

01:02:01.200 bunch. Hulu. Oh yeah. Hulu plus. Yeah. I mentioned Disney. So Hulu and, um, did I say Netflix?

01:02:08.920 Probably. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. There's too many shows, you know, I mean, there's a, and now with

01:02:14.900 the AI revolution coming, you will be able to just AI generate new shows. It will be an endless stream

01:02:21.080 of mind of hypnotizing, draining content that pulls you away from the real world. Yep.

01:02:27.020 Once again, I guess I could just say self-correcting problem. Uh, it is most likely that Christian

01:02:31.960 conservatives due to internal moral faith-based reasons will avoid these things and your average

01:02:39.260 urban liberal or even a moderate conservative will walk right into it. And then what? After a certain

01:02:46.820 period of time, they just don't exist anymore. The product becomes, uh, it becomes an untenable

01:02:52.220 product because conservatives don't want it. Well, the, the part about all of this that worries

01:02:58.520 me is the isolation, you know, solitary confinement is often described as torture, right? But now we're

01:03:05.260 trying to entertain people while they're torturing themselves, you know, human connection. We are

01:03:11.420 relational creatures and avoiding relationships in person relationships is ultimately slowly torturing

01:03:19.940 ourselves. We are not getting better. We are getting worse, but we have the facade of connection

01:03:24.820 through Twitter, through Facebook, through all of these different means through technology. It is,

01:03:30.340 it is a simulation of human nature, but it is not the real thing. It's like, it's like, uh,

01:03:37.680 it's going towards like aspartame instead of real sugar, you know?

01:03:41.240 Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, uh, just real quick, this has been the noon hour for the Rumble Morning lineup,

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01:04:00.480 we'll get that raid going in a second. So we appreciate all you guys hanging out, but, uh,

01:04:03.580 we'll, we'll keep talking. So one of the issues that I think is we will be forced to adopt

01:04:09.780 neural link technology and AI technology the same way we're forced to adopt cell phones.

01:04:15.280 Yeah. A company will start using the service because it's easier

01:04:19.200 and then you will resist buying it. Uh, we talked about this last night with a neural link,

01:04:24.980 for instance, AI is going to allow us to rapidly advance technologies, map out new inventions,

01:04:29.940 and we'll come to the point where you will put on the neural link headset, connect to your brain,

01:04:35.140 and then you will, it will input into your brain the sensation of being in an office

01:04:39.760 and you will instantly experience like a virtual reality that's indistinguishable.

01:04:45.060 But now we can all sit here and say, I don't want it. I prefer the real world. But what happens

01:04:50.020 then when your company gets a call, you know, you, you get a sales rep who says, Hey, there's a

01:04:54.380 company that wants to, you know, buy, you know, a large amount of product from your company.

01:04:58.200 They're one of them can hop on a neural link with you. And you go, I don't, I don't have neural

01:05:01.580 link and I don't do that. So, uh, that's the only way they, they do calls. They want to,

01:05:06.060 they want to meet you face to face in the neural space. And you go, well, I don't do that. And they

01:05:09.580 say, okay, deals off. Then some young guy goes, I'll take a deal. I got a new company. I just

01:05:14.800 started it. And we'll take a neural link with anybody. Puts the headset on, goes to them,

01:05:18.360 $100,000 contract. Your company loses it. Their company gets it. So you may still resist,

01:05:23.240 but then your company goes out of business and is easily replaced by the company that then goes to

01:05:26.780 your employees and says, guys, the job in the manufacturing space still exists, but you've got

01:05:32.220 to use neural link if you want to work here. I think that there are a couple examples that

01:05:36.040 can provide some hope for why that might not be the case. I mean, we look at the, the failure of

01:05:40.340 the vaccine mandates to have the impact that they intended it to that ultimately failed because a

01:05:45.080 significant percentage of Americans, many of them Christian conservatives said, yeah, no,

01:05:48.920 I'm not doing that. Um, and I think that, uh, we're also talking about Christian conservative

01:05:53.360 families, uh, uh, being more prolific in their children than more liberals. And so I think as a

01:05:59.780 mathematical, uh, a mathematical question, we could say like they were, they are likely to say like,

01:06:04.180 no, we have a theology of the body that says, I'm not going to place anything inside my body.

01:06:09.100 That's controlled by someone else's technology. They can, they can iterate on the language of

01:06:13.880 that, but they'll say like, no, I'm not going to, I'm not going to do that. And I think ultimately

01:06:17.700 people will find, and we see this kind of today, and I don't mean to sound Pollyannish about it.

01:06:22.720 I don't think it's going to be an easy fight by any stretch, but I think people will ultimately

01:06:26.120 rebel against the pragmatism that says, if I need to put a device inside my brain, that's sending

01:06:30.900 signals into my, I need to go in your brain or like on my head. I mean, ultimately that's the

01:06:34.660 push, right? The push is like, well, we're going to go from phones to wrist bound devices to something

01:06:38.840 that chip in the wrist. And yeah, they're going to, they're going to, I don't think they'll ever do

01:06:42.560 surgery, but a headset. Maybe. I mean, I mean, I think the real question is, do you know the question

01:06:50.040 about Neuralink is not what's coming out of my mind? What's being, the question is what's being put

01:06:53.980 into it and coming from where, right? So the question is not like I'm, you know, I'm having

01:06:58.320 information, you know, like some 3D or 4D, whatever vision implanted in my mind. What else is going in

01:07:04.760 on the, on the brainwaves, right? Right. That you don't know about. That you don't know about. And

01:07:07.820 that's, that's the real worry. And I think people. That's, that's true for cell phones right now,

01:07:11.300 though. I mean, it's not, it's not something that's like physically connected. I can put my

01:07:15.000 phone in my bag, right. And I can still have a, I can still have a conversation with someone in person.

01:07:18.980 The idea with a future Neuralink, well, that it will be a wireless device.

01:07:23.680 Right. Are you wearing it all the time? Because I've only seen the, the, the,

01:07:27.820 the chip implanted in the brain. And that's a hard note of that. That's not going to happen

01:07:31.460 because your body will reject the chip. Getting, getting heart implants doesn't work. Your body

01:07:36.300 pushes it out. What we've seen already is that they can write to your brain really rudimentary

01:07:42.780 things and they can read from your brain wirelessly. Yeah, pass. So you can buy, we did this 15 years

01:07:47.880 ago. Me and my buddy, we bought an, uh, an electroencephalogram. It's a headset you can buy off

01:07:52.500 the internet for a hundred bucks and it reads your brain waves. You can then think and control a

01:07:58.180 cursor on a screen. And so there was an X axis and a Y axis. Uh, we, I never figured it out. Me and

01:08:04.620 my buddy, we tried it once, but my buddy's sister put it on and instantly could move one line up and

01:08:08.700 down. And we were like, Whoa, you could theoretically use it to control a drone. So we were actually

01:08:13.340 trying to figure out how to do that. Cause then you could put a headset on and control the drone with

01:08:16.500 your mind. Um, the technology that we'll end up seeing is going to be just like a cell phone.

01:08:20.640 It's going to be like you put on a headset and it's going to, it's going to read right to your

01:08:25.220 brain. And so the point I bring up is certainly many conservatives will say no. Um, a lot of older

01:08:31.020 folks don't have cell phones either and they don't want them, but society will dictate society is going

01:08:37.000 to, like, like I already described, there's going to be right now with the remote work generation,

01:08:42.640 this mass amount of people that feel they shouldn't have to come into the office. Uh, there's whole

01:08:48.940 communities with millions of followers dedicated to remote work. I think it's horrible, but what

01:08:53.680 happens then when the company says you can work remote, just put on your neural link. And then we

01:08:59.280 do our work in the neural office. Here's what else that does. A company won't need to rent office space

01:09:04.180 for meetings anymore. They'll say physical space is expensive. So we just do neural meetings. You put

01:09:10.240 on your headset, you sit down and then instantly you are experiencing written to your brain as if you

01:09:16.460 are in a room with all your coworkers in an office, there's video games, there's pizza,

01:09:21.860 you're in a massive building. You can look out the window and it looks like you're in San Francisco.

01:09:27.060 People are going to adopt that. That almost reminds me of the movie surrogates. I don't know.

01:09:32.280 Right. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Like, um, people were, were transmitting their, their thoughts into a

01:09:37.840 robot body to live their lives for them. Like avatar as much. Yes. As much as you're, you're

01:09:44.280 saying that, um, part of me wants to be like, I'm naturally optimistic, but I'm kind of with you.

01:09:50.640 I think we're obsessed with convenience. Um, and I say this as someone who's worked in it. Uh, I like

01:09:56.720 technology. I work with it, but I'm also scared of it because I've worked with it. And I understand how,

01:10:03.400 I understand how humans, especially in a prosperous society like ours, we want the next great thing.

01:10:10.920 We want the next thing that makes it a little bit easier. Um, you know, the getting up to go

01:10:16.240 and touch the TV to change the channel gets replaced with the remote gets replaced with your cell phone,

01:10:22.900 like everything just replaced with not even looking at the TV. Right. Is he looking at your phone?

01:10:27.140 Right. Now you can talk to your TV. Like it's just the, the, the level of constant

01:10:33.080 convenience, constantly increasing that and finding the next thing. And obviously there's

01:10:38.420 a profit model based on new technologies and things like that. I think you're probably right,

01:10:43.540 Tim. I think we're going to go in that direction. And I do think that there are more people who want

01:10:47.740 to adapt to it. And the people who don't adapt to it will die off. Yep. And then, uh, and then AI.

01:10:54.560 Yeah. And you know, one, one, uh, hypothesis we had the other day, people will have nothing to do at

01:11:01.740 all. And they will plug themselves into neural spaces to simulate hardship. We go to, I mean,

01:11:09.480 so we go to the gym. Why do we go to the gym? Cause human, humans need struggle. Yeah. Right.

01:11:15.140 We have to, you know, if, if humans evolved in a, imagine this earth was just, there were

01:11:20.960 cheeseburgers manifesting out of thin air and they'd sit there for a minute, disappear, but then manifest

01:11:25.840 again. And if you ate it, you got the nutrients of the cheeseburger or whatever perfect food.

01:11:30.200 Humans would be doughy and would never work out, but humans needed to farm and work hard

01:11:35.920 and struggle to survive. And now that we've made life easier, if we don't do those things,

01:11:41.060 we actually get sick. We need exercise. We have to constantly be working. So we simulate the

01:11:47.640 struggles of survival to maintain our bodies. What happens when AI rolls out with these neural

01:11:53.340 spaces, AI has taken over every job. Humans have infinite food and have no reason to do anything.

01:11:57.720 We're going to, we're going to put ourselves into fake universes to simulate hardship because

01:12:02.680 we need the conflict to survive.

01:12:04.360 I think I'm trying to think about this in theological categories. And I'm thinking that

01:12:09.500 if we're, if we're willing to sacrifice our humanity for the efficiency of the machine,

01:12:14.920 which is now what's driving the state and the marketplace, if we're willing to say, you know

01:12:19.380 what, efficiency, pragmatism, all of these things are worth more than the experience of humanity,

01:12:25.520 whether, whether it be physical hardship in the world, face-to-face meetings, the ability to talk

01:12:29.980 person to person. If we're willing to make that sacrifice and saying, you know what,

01:12:34.700 an individual human life, not a big deal. We have to really sacrifice for the good of the marketplace.

01:12:39.540 I don't think that that's ultimately a sustainable equation. I don't think so. I think something in us

01:12:44.600 will rebel from it. And I think we need a reevaluation of the individual worth of a, of a human life.

01:12:50.040 Humans are made in the image of God. And if we really believe that, then we would say,

01:12:53.200 then the human, there's something very good about, about creation, about this, about the dirt,

01:12:58.520 about the sky. And I don't know that God said there's anything very good about the virtual

01:13:02.860 reality world that is driven by the machine God. And so I think if we can start thinking in those

01:13:07.620 terms, like, no, there is something very good about this. We can say, yes, technology has its place.

01:13:11.760 And I don't mean to push it out entirely. Technology has been an enormous blessing. And that's part of

01:13:16.220 why we don't have to do these Mayflower journeys anymore. But the right ordering of it in terms of how we

01:13:20.980 conduct our lives is very important to think that way. It's too easy to fall into, well, I just want

01:13:26.500 to do it for convenience sake, instead of evaluating the morality of it, the theology of it. And that I

01:13:31.600 think we really need. And to the Christian conservative point, having children, discipling their kids

01:13:36.380 that your body is good, the earth is good. And I think that can be a bulwark against a lot of this.

01:13:42.320 At least I pray it will be.

01:13:43.320 Have you guys seen the, uh, Elsagate stuff that's, that's come back?

01:13:47.020 No.

01:13:47.560 Do you know?

01:13:48.180 Frozen?

01:13:49.160 It's, it's, it's derivative of Frozen. Have you heard of Elsagate?

01:13:52.020 I have.

01:13:52.520 One of the third iteration of this scandal. Um, and it went away for several years. The first was that

01:13:57.480 on YouTube, these videos would pop up that were a half an hour long with no talking.

01:14:02.480 And it was someone dressed like Elsa, Spider-Man, and the Joker running around engaging in shenanigans.

01:14:06.900 They were inane, weird gag videos. People started to notice that all these videos were

01:14:12.420 going viral, getting hundreds of millions of views. And then other prominent YouTubers

01:14:15.960 started making some of these. I think even Ethan Klein made one of these videos for real. Um,

01:14:20.800 because they're like, Hey man, this is what the people want. And I'm here to make,

01:14:24.440 make videos that get views. And YouTube panicked and was like, Oh crap. So they started demonetizing

01:14:28.400 some of these videos. We then got Elsagate too, which is when people started using computers to

01:14:33.820 auto-generate creepy videos of like Hitler dressed with a woman's body doing Tai Chi.

01:14:40.360 I'm not, it's not even a joke with the Incredible Hulk while some Indian people sang the Finger

01:14:45.020 Family nursery rhyme. So this emerged when nursery rhyme started getting hundreds of millions

01:14:50.460 of views. Notably the song Finger Family. Are you familiar with this one?

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01:15:24.080 It's like finger family, finger family, how are you? And then you say index finger, you

01:15:29.320 know, middle finger. So what happened was a parent would put the tablet in front of their

01:15:33.340 baby and press play. When the video was over in five minutes, it would autoplay the next

01:15:38.960 video. So people in India started mass producing extremely creepy, low quality versions of this

01:15:45.060 where they would put keywords in it like Incredible Hulk, Hitler, Nazi, things like that. Spider-Man,

01:15:50.840 Joker. Then the thumbnails that started getting the most clicks, they'd use computers to basically

01:15:56.540 track which videos get the most. It started transforming into thumbnails of children eating

01:16:00.700 feces, drinking out of urinals, cutting each other, stabbing each other. Thumbnails. The

01:16:06.100 thumbnail images for the videos themselves. There were videos of like Peppa Pig being run over

01:16:10.660 and mutilated by people, like a car would run him over and then it was a computer would generate

01:16:15.240 the video based on keywords they'd put in. Algorithmic. Right. And it was just tracking

01:16:19.000 what YouTube was promoting. YouTube finally nuked all these videos and created YouTube kids.

01:16:23.640 They may have already had YouTube kids, but I think they rolled it out and said, now we're

01:16:26.660 going to stop this once and for all. Today, there's a new version. It's the same thing.

01:16:32.060 AI generated videos of Spider-Man eating hot dogs. They're really creepy and deranged videos

01:16:39.840 and they're getting hundreds of millions of views. Even after nearly 10 years, this problem

01:16:47.480 has been going on. It's been written about. I think even the Wall Street Journal covered

01:16:51.180 the story. Parents are still putting tablets in front of their kids and pressing play on

01:16:56.700 deranged psychotic videos. This is what kind of blackpills me on the whole AI future thing

01:17:01.780 is that, hey man, if you're from India and someone tells you you can make $100 in 10 minutes

01:17:09.180 by making a video like this, they're going to do it. And then in the United States, we're

01:17:14.660 constantly battling against this kind of slop content and parents are giving it to their

01:17:20.400 babies. We then run into this conundrum where you had RFK say wants to ban artificial dyes

01:17:26.600 for it. The libertarians say, no, we should be allowed to consume coal tar if we want. If

01:17:31.620 we want to buy coal tar products for our children to eat, we should be allowed. And at the same

01:17:36.460 respect, internally, the libertarian mindset is if parents want their children watching

01:17:41.040 Spider-Man stick a needle in Joker's butt and then gargle hot dogs, they should be allowed

01:17:46.020 to do it. Parents don't know what this is doing to their kids, but they think it's fine. This

01:17:52.820 blackpills me on the future because I think we're going to have a generation of their children

01:17:56.300 growing up now consuming all of this and it's going to fry their brains.

01:17:59.760 Too late.

01:18:01.140 Indeed.

01:18:02.120 Some of these kids are 10 years old already or older. The Alcigate stuff was happening eight

01:18:06.700 years ago. Some of these kids might be 14 and there were six or seven staring at this deranged

01:18:11.320 psychotic stuff of Hitler with boobs. I'm not kidding. A video where Hitler has a woman's body,

01:18:17.060 it's a woman's body with a Hitler head doing Tai Chi. These kids, their brains are going to be

01:18:21.500 totally warped and deranged and they're going to vote. 10 more years.

01:18:25.640 Yeah. They're like, I'm voting for Hitler tits.

01:18:30.220 Yeah. Or they're asking their wife to put on the Hitler mustache.

01:18:34.300 There is that.

01:18:35.020 Come on, babe. You know what I'm into.

01:18:36.560 The new Pornhub category.

01:18:38.200 Worse than that though is it's one thing when you have kids growing up and they're adopting

01:18:45.180 personalities based on weird TV shows and movies. But what happens when they're adopting a worldview

01:18:49.360 and behaviors and personalities based on schizophrenic psycho content made by AI?

01:18:53.300 Right. Can we turn that around? Like if you were to unplug that kid right now and give

01:18:57.940 them no screens for a year, what would, what would, would their brain be able to recover

01:19:01.620 from that hard wiring?

01:19:02.820 I don't think so.

01:19:03.460 That's a good question. Right. And then, and then the question becomes, what do we do with

01:19:06.340 that generation? Right. Do we, do we simply feed into that and allow them continue that

01:19:09.860 down that path? Or do we contra the libertarians say, we draw a line and say, you know what,

01:19:14.180 there are, there are some, there are some freedoms that are actually destructive to us. Like,

01:19:18.080 yeah, should you be free to drink yourself to death? I suppose that you should, but is that

01:19:21.340 actually, is that actually what you want? Or are there some lines that actually must

01:19:24.920 be drawn, you know, morally speaking?

01:19:27.160 Faithless in the chat says, titler. That's a good one.

01:19:32.420 Yeah, there you go.

01:19:33.020 I don't think we can, they can recover from this. I think that the baby's brain has developed

01:19:38.360 neurons and was wired to interpret that information as the world. You can't undo that, that, that,

01:19:45.020 that wiring. When, when authorities discover children that had been kept in captivity

01:19:49.800 at a certain age, they can't learn anymore. So there's a story that came out, I think only a few

01:19:57.060 months ago, a girl was locked in her basement since she was a baby and she escaped when she

01:20:02.040 was like 16. And she spoke in a very strange way because she'd not been exposed to other humans to

01:20:07.900 learn how to communicate with them. So the police were confused because she was struggling,

01:20:11.160 struggling to convey ideas to them to explain that, you know, if you've never been taught

01:20:16.060 simple concepts like kidnapped, restrained, chained, held, she goes to the police and says,

01:20:21.120 we were in the basement too long and need food. And the cops are like, what? She goes,

01:20:25.560 we're in the basement too long. We're there too long. And it's like, I don't know what you mean

01:20:29.480 by too long. What's going on? She's trying to say we are held captive, but doesn't know how to

01:20:33.160 convey those ideas. There was another young girl that was like chained in house and abused.

01:20:38.260 And this is an older story. When they recovered her in her 20s, she literally couldn't learn to speak

01:20:44.880 any language. She only learned words like food. And so when she was hungry, she'd go food. And

01:20:51.000 they try to explain to her, say, I want to eat. Couldn't do it. The babies from the ages of zero to

01:20:56.280 five, the neural pathways are forming in the brain to allow the human to do certain tasks.

01:21:01.760 So what we're seeing now, I think. Well, I mean, to be fair, there are lots of,

01:21:08.880 unfortunately, I'd say very unfortunate, there are lots of children who experience very traumatic

01:21:13.500 events very early in their life. And it really just depends on how they interpret it, any sort of

01:21:21.400 help for these particular traumatic events. Actually, within my book, I talk about, I try not to use the

01:21:29.240 word. I talk about a woman that I know who was great at the age of five. But how she talks about

01:21:39.020 it is very matter of fact, because she was able to resolve it. It doesn't mean that it is not a

01:21:44.860 painful memory or something that happened to her. But that in the same way that could easily have told

01:21:49.680 her that all men are this type of person. And without some sort of interference could lead her

01:21:58.260 down that particular direction. So I think you're absolutely right. There are certain parts of

01:22:03.240 childhood development that is crucial. But when it's something that is traumatic, it just depends on

01:22:12.320 how traumatic it is and how they interpret it. And if there's some sort of interjection. So like you

01:22:18.060 said, if you take away that tablet, let's say they watch that video, they get scared, take away the

01:22:22.500 tablet for a year. Does that change anything for them? Or are they all of a sudden like incredibly

01:22:27.540 afraid of titler? Like, I don't know. And so it really just depends on how traumatic it is for that

01:22:34.880 particular child. And I guess how you approach trying to have them manage it or to change how they

01:22:42.140 view these things. What a weird phobia. Like you're an adult and it's just like, you're at a

01:22:47.060 therapist. What's what terrifies you? Hitler with boobs. When I was a baby, I had to watch those

01:22:52.160 videos. Yeah. I think more likely, though, they will develop identities around it.

01:22:58.320 So then it's not traumatic.

01:23:00.880 I would argue it's a developmental disability. You know, go back a couple hundred years,

01:23:08.240 agrarian society. The children grew up watching their father work and they identified with and

01:23:12.780 adopted those traits and their brains formed neural pathways around what they were doing.

01:23:17.520 Today, I do think identity disorder is a component of media consumption. So furries,

01:23:26.000 furries have not all, but most furries are suffering an identity disorder where they want to be a cartoon

01:23:32.720 animal. Not an animal, a cartoon animal. That's why they wear fursuits that look like Bugs Bunny.

01:23:39.140 And I, well, where does that come from? Obviously, anthropomorphized animal movies and TV shows

01:23:44.400 where the children were placed in front of the screen and then built an identity around watching

01:23:48.840 a cartoon lion talk to a cartoon dog. Now they're older and they want to be what their brain wired

01:23:54.640 them to be. I think a couple of the issues in the trans gender ideology, there's the social component

01:24:01.780 and a chemical component. I do believe that endocrine disruptors, plastics, phthalates, PCBs,

01:24:06.320 disrupting hormones is causing effects in utero as well as in young children. But I also think

01:24:11.780 this is the first time children growing up, a young boy could immerse himself wholly in feminine

01:24:20.460 culture. So a young boy 200 years ago, the dad's like, you're coming with me and you're working

01:24:24.900 in the farm. That's right. Daughters with mom. And so the only thing he sees is the men working.

01:24:28.900 Today, a little boy turns on the tablet and he watches RuPaul's Drag Race. They're watching

01:24:34.620 feminine cultural things. And they grow up building an identity around things that are

01:24:39.220 traditionally feminine. Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with that, but then you'll

01:24:42.900 get identity disorder where a person then believes they should be a woman because they grew up watching

01:24:47.360 that and we're told that's what they should be.

01:24:49.360 Feminine. Go ahead.

01:24:51.200 I was going to say, or for some of these young men, and I'll include myself, they grew up in a

01:24:55.960 household where they're just with women. I grew up with my mother and my sister. And it took me years

01:25:01.300 into my adult years where I realized like, I'm taking on feminine traits. You know, obviously I'm not gay

01:25:08.740 or anything like that, but there were certain things that how I responded that were kind of feminine,

01:25:13.440 but it wasn't until I was around other men and it started really recognizing like, I'm very sensitive

01:25:18.800 on this particular thing. I need to watch and moderate my mood and things of this particular

01:25:25.640 nature. But I realized like I was taking on a feminine nature because this was my environment.

01:25:31.420 And there are a lot of young men who are highly insecure about their manhood because they move kind

01:25:40.080 of feminine. Um, and it's not necessarily their fault. That's, this is the environment that they

01:25:45.920 grew up around. But I venture to say without naming anything that there are particular people who often

01:25:52.440 grow up in this circumstance and a lot of the men move in a particular way. That's very flamboyant.

01:25:59.440 I'm being very PC. That's true though. Yes. Yes. Not always. You know, the key Democrats.

01:26:06.640 Gay Republicans. Yeah. Well, the key demographic, the key demographic right now, especially for men

01:26:12.160 is effeminate men. Like that's just, that's what it seems to be. You know, when, uh, when men work

01:26:19.460 out that makes it, it's your body produces testosterone. Right. And so for a generation

01:26:24.060 of men who don't have to do physical activities and don't, they have low T. Do you guys remember

01:26:30.240 the, uh, try guys? Yeah. I mean, Buzzfeed had four guys get their T levels, their testosterone

01:26:36.560 checked and their testosterone levels at Buzzfeed were equivalent to 80 year old men. Yeah. It was

01:26:41.300 like 200, 300 or whatever. Uh, it was at nanograms per liter or whatever. I don't know what the actual

01:26:46.420 measurement is. Um, so it's no surprise these guys are effeminate, overly sensitive. They cry

01:26:52.000 and they vote Democrat. Well, I'm sorry. Oh, I'll go ahead. I was going to say, but there is,

01:26:59.040 there is a social component because I'm telling you, there are lots of men I see. They act just

01:27:04.080 like their mama and it's not a testosterone thing. They've just been around the women and they haven't

01:27:10.600 had enough male influence to see how to react and behave like a healthy young man. So they seem like

01:27:17.300 an out of balance man who is highly emotional. Um, and if their mom acts a particular way,

01:27:22.940 they carry on that same type of nature. So yeah, there's definitely, and they may be high

01:27:28.260 testosterone. The strongest man in the democratic party right now is David Hogg. That's a, that's a,

01:27:35.480 both a terrifying and an encouraging thought in a way. It's a, it's a compliment for David and a

01:27:39.880 criticism of the Democrats, but it's true. Like we were talking about last night. It's not meant to

01:27:44.320 be funny, but it is funny. Uh, with all due respect to David Hogg, who I think is effeminate,

01:27:50.140 frail, probably weighs a hundred pounds soaking wet. He's actually fairly aggressive when it comes

01:27:55.380 to those that are in the democratic party and he's just wrong about everything. Right. And it's

01:27:59.840 because the strongest man they have in leadership, how old is the, is it 20 something? What, I don't

01:28:04.900 know, 25 ish, probably never lifted anything more than 10 pounds in his life. And that's the best

01:28:11.460 they have to offer. There is a correlation between working out and being conservative.

01:28:16.360 Of course you have to deal with reality. Right. Oh, really? Like, like we live in a feminine

01:28:21.840 normative society where feelings are prioritized over facts. Right. And, but you can't emote at a

01:28:28.260 barbell. It doesn't matter how you feel. It's not going up. Bar go up or bar don't go up.

01:28:34.280 I, I, I get, I get, I would argue there's a bit of emotion in lifting a little bit,

01:28:39.280 but it's not like, it's not like, Oh, come on. Yeah. Right. But that's a, that's a different

01:28:43.860 form of emotion. Like you can't negotiate with a barbell. Yeah. I was thinking about

01:28:47.180 this. I remember when I was a real little kid and I got hurt, I'd cry. You know, when

01:28:50.680 I was like seven or eight, I would like bang my knee and then I couldn't help it. I'd be

01:28:55.700 like, I'd start tearing up. And I was, I thought about this a while ago. I was like, when was

01:29:00.660 the last, like, how do you cry from, I was watching Futurama old show. You guys remember

01:29:05.120 that one? Right. And Fry drinks this, this alien that's made of water. So he's like,

01:29:09.900 I know how to get the alien out, make him cry. So they're hitting him. And I'm like,

01:29:12.180 why is he crying? And I was like, when was the last time pain, pain, pain hasn't made

01:29:14.920 me cry since I was probably a little kid. No pain makes me angry now. I think when you

01:29:19.040 become a man and you have testosterone, when you, when you hit your elbow, you don't cry

01:29:23.440 about it. You get angry. Like that's the emotion that is elicited from pain. And so you

01:29:28.940 look at these, these, these low T guys that are, you know, liberal or Democrat and they cry

01:29:32.940 a lot, you know, they're substantially more likely to cry when faced with hardship. Yeah.

01:29:38.820 Right. I think that there's a natural, healthy expression of male emotion. But when you, when

01:29:42.640 you cry, when faced with hardship, that's not the right healthy expression. Men are only

01:29:46.200 allowed to cry if their dog dies. Nope. Nope. Nope. Family members, no kids, parents, birth

01:29:51.200 of birth of your birth of your kid. No, only, only if your dog dies. Okay. I'm kidding by the

01:29:55.280 way. The joke is there, right? Right. And going back to your barbell point. Yeah. The emotion

01:30:01.560 that you can have that makes sense is anger. Like if you're trying to lift more than you

01:30:06.920 did and you're determined to get it and you believe in yourself, but you're starting to

01:30:11.640 fail, you feel that kind of rage where you're going to push everything you have and scream

01:30:18.360 that you refuse to give up. And the, you, you, there's a kind of anger in that at the barbell,

01:30:23.800 but it's not like you're actually assigning consciousness to it or anything. And then you

01:30:30.580 fail, you put the weights down and you accept defeat. You're a loser, but in the best way

01:30:36.400 possible. You know what I mean? As long as you try again. Yeah, exactly. When you, when

01:30:39.800 you're up for it. There's another time when men get a big hit of testosterone that isn't

01:30:43.440 talked about very much, which is when men achieve a significant victory. Like when you're investing

01:30:48.800 in a weeks or months or even years long project and you achieve that win, men get this massive

01:30:54.360 hit, men get a massive hit of testosterone and doing that. It usually shows up in war,

01:30:59.320 like winning a battle, but now we don't go to war in quite the same way anymore. So men

01:31:03.600 who commit themselves to long-term projects and are then successful in it, they will continually

01:31:09.460 get those hits of testosterone. And that's one of the things that drives entrepreneurship

01:31:12.740 that drives that big win or that drives many men investing in long-term projects. So men who

01:31:18.480 fail to show up in life won't get that experience, but men who show up and fight through the

01:31:23.760 victory will get something so much more powerful and that will drive them forward into the next

01:31:28.020 battle. I love, uh, I love skateboarding. It teaches so many life lessons, lessons that are lost

01:31:34.420 these days. And for instance, uh, do you know what it means to drop in on a skateboard?

01:31:41.400 Uh, yeah, you know, on the, on the, right. You stand on top of the half pipe, you put your board

01:31:45.560 over the edge and then you drop into the ramp and ride your board. For most people is terrifying.

01:31:53.020 You're paralyzed with fear, looking down, having no idea how you're going to, who in their right

01:31:58.980 mind would be standing on a ledge five feet off the ground and then lean 90 degrees forward.

01:32:05.060 Instinctively, you're being told, I'm going to face plant on the ground. It's going to hurt.

01:32:09.920 There's an important lesson in that because I tell every single kid when they're standing up,

01:32:13.540 they're scared. I say, calm down. It's okay. You're going to fall and get hurt.

01:32:18.480 Do you want to do this or not? Right. And so for most kids who skate, 90% will fall and get hurt,

01:32:25.040 but it's not that bad, not that bad. You had to do it. And so those that truly succeed in this sport

01:32:31.740 are the ones who are the, uh, are the ones who know, yeah, I'm probably going to get hurt

01:32:36.600 some way or another. It's going to happen. But if you really want to do it, you have to sacrifice,

01:32:41.700 feel the pain. And what I love now is, uh, I watched these parkour videos on Instagram

01:32:47.460 and this is crazier than anything I grew up with as a kid. I watched a video where a dude

01:32:52.920 wanted to break the record for, uh, it's a trick. I have no idea what it's called. And parkour

01:32:56.800 literally just means running around and jumping off stuff. He, he jumps a 30 foot gap and there's

01:33:02.120 a steel beam. He jumps, goes 90 degrees and then kicks it and then flips 12 feet down,

01:33:08.760 30 feet across into a wall and then kicks off the wall to backflip a 12, 12 feet to the ground.

01:33:14.820 He lands on his feet with a bang, like a thunderclap. All these young guys are start

01:33:19.740 cheering and screaming and high-fiving him. And then the next clip was his ankle broken

01:33:23.940 and bruised and messed up. But I love it. I mean, maybe you're pushing yourself too far,

01:33:29.980 but the idea that a young man said, I will literally break my ankle to be great and accomplish

01:33:36.100 something no one has ever done before. I'm like, that's the drive that men are supposed to have

01:33:40.640 these days and too many are missing, but maybe don't go that far. You don't need to, you know,

01:33:45.400 you're not intentionally trying to break yourself, but in a lot of these action sports guys, you know,

01:33:50.600 people watch some of the, you know, you watch these guys doing backflips and flying through the air

01:33:54.360 and then doing these 80 foot gaps and stuff. A lot of people don't realize they actually get hurt

01:33:59.280 every time they do it. And then they don't skate for a month while they recover. They literally break

01:34:04.500 their legs to land something that no one's ever done and push the limits beyond what humans thought

01:34:08.340 were possible. Well, that's a, that's a form of, and I want to establish, and I think we should

01:34:13.400 establish a form of masculinity that isn't always glory seeking in quite that way. I think you're

01:34:17.700 right to say it, you know, not everyone should pursue that level of that particular sport. But it's

01:34:24.340 the same as rushing into the burning building, et cetera. That's a, that's a particular form. It's a

01:34:28.300 necessary form of glory. But I think we need to establish a version of masculinity that says

01:34:32.760 there are other ways to have a glorious life as a man, particularly with a prosperous family.

01:34:37.980 You know, we need is we need a society that allocates its resources into cherishing the

01:34:44.660 family. Wasn't Trump talking about like the mommy awards or something? Did you guys hear something

01:34:49.140 like that? No, I didn't hear about that. Let me see if I can find something like that.

01:34:52.860 I thought I heard someone talking about that. Oh, it already exists. Okay. Nevermind.

01:34:56.940 What is this? Okay. Uh, no, that the mommy awards is for brand agencies. That's stupid.

01:35:05.240 Someone was talking about making awards for mothers

01:35:07.260 because the, uh, the issue is that for young women, when you're trying to find social acceptance,

01:35:16.320 the only way you can get it is through masculine achievement, winning a, winning a sporting event,

01:35:21.020 um, being the CEO, being the girl boss, but we don't have a red carpet for a woman who has 12 kids.

01:35:28.740 That's right. We have a red carpet for a woman who never had kids and started a film.

01:35:34.080 I don't know how I feel about this. I mean,

01:35:37.080 should there be a war show for going to work? I mean, these are things that,

01:35:42.940 this is part of human nature. Um, it's part of human nature to procreate. I think there are many

01:35:50.540 ways that we can encourage people to have more children or to, or honestly, there are people who

01:35:59.500 want to have children. They want to have marriages. They don't know how to do it. Um, and so because

01:36:05.080 they don't know how to do it, you just mentioned the fear of the unknown. They just don't do it

01:36:09.760 and they're afraid of the risk. So it's not, I think there are a lot of young men. The reason

01:36:15.240 they're complaining, the reason they go to the minister is because they actually want to get

01:36:18.420 married. They want to have children, but they're afraid to move forward because they've been

01:36:23.340 inundated with, it's not going to work. But the message they're getting from these guys,

01:36:26.980 the guys, the message they're getting is it's not your fault. It's a gynocentric society that

01:36:31.080 favors women and you'll never succeed. Right. Right. So, so don't walk into the pit trap.

01:36:35.460 Here's how you exploit the system. Exactly. Instead of saying, to be honest, if you move

01:36:41.240 to a small town in a Christian conservative area and go to church, you will likely find

01:36:45.640 a woman who is not going to be a degenerate slag, who's going to leave you and steal your

01:36:49.420 family. Well, even the manosphere that I would love to see is a manosphere that tells you,

01:36:56.040 okay, this is partially true. Are the family court system biased against men? Yes, this is true.

01:37:02.340 But here's how you can minimize having to deal with any of that. Here's how you select a proper

01:37:08.840 woman, someone with character, not because, oh, she has, you know, nice ass and big breasts,

01:37:14.180 right? It is, here are the warning signs. Here are the things that you should look out for.

01:37:18.160 Ask her about what's her upbringing. What's her relationship with her father? Because if it's bad,

01:37:23.160 then you're increasing the odds that her relationship with you will be bad. Because if the most important

01:37:28.560 man to her, it's his father, it's her father, and she has a negative view about him, you're not going

01:37:36.840 to fare better. It's less likely for that to happen unless she does work to interfere with that

01:37:43.480 mindset. But you, these are conscious questions that you have. This is part of what I would say

01:37:47.980 family planning, right? So you have to look at that woman before you have sex with her, ask yourself,

01:37:52.820 would you want her to be the mother of your child? That's right. And if you wouldn't,

01:37:56.840 you probably shouldn't have sex with her. Right? I mean, not probably, don't have sex with her.

01:38:02.940 Right. I think, I think we've talked a lot about glory for men. We haven't talked about glory for

01:38:08.460 women. And that's a big theme in our society and has been since Rosie the Riveter, right? But I think,

01:38:15.260 not a fan, not a fan. No, I, to a degree I can respect in war, the women who came to make weapons

01:38:21.620 for the men is a good thing. Right. But just generally, like, we celebrate the women who

01:38:26.020 are working in factories as opposed to being moms, I think is a negative message for women.

01:38:31.240 But that we didn't, we didn't go back. Right. Like that we, it was, it was a one-way, one-way trip.

01:38:35.580 And I, I think finding, uh, finding a woman who believes motherhood is in itself glorious,

01:38:42.180 that the act of, uh, of, of nurturing, raising, birthing children into the world who then go on

01:38:49.060 to have glorious marriages, that they see value in the home. They see value in the family. They

01:38:54.120 see value in the light in the eyes of their kids. A woman who believes that is likely to be a good

01:38:59.260 partner as opposed to a woman who is first and foremost seeking fulfillment in the marketplace,

01:39:05.160 because we conceive of meaning in very Marxist terms. Meaning is only meant to be found in the

01:39:10.940 marketplace, in professional achievement, as opposed to, you know, meaning is found and created

01:39:15.380 in the home. We don't think those in those terms anymore. But if you find a woman who thinks that.

01:39:19.740 I love this, uh, about Sparta. Yes. We got great, we got great tales of the, of Sparta,

01:39:25.000 though they were actually a very brutal and horrifying culture, but there was some cool stuff. Um,

01:39:30.000 they made good movies. They did. Men only got gravestones if they died in battle and women only got

01:39:36.460 gravestones if they died, died in childbirth. Otherwise, no matter how important you were,

01:39:41.560 you were just dead and tossed into a grave with no marker.

01:39:44.980 Hmm. I don't, I don't want to celebrate women dying in childbirth.

01:39:48.320 It's, it's not about celebrating that they died. Oh, it's about honoring them. Okay.

01:39:52.100 In the greatest, in their great, in their great duty.

01:39:54.960 Sacrifice.

01:39:55.840 Right. We, we, we remember those who died in sacrifice of, of, of greatness.

01:40:00.380 The men in battle and the women having babies.

01:40:01.920 I think the interesting thing that we're going to see, we're talking about a self-correcting

01:40:06.000 problem. And this is, this is what I'm really hoping for. There's a, we'll call it an epidemic

01:40:10.740 of women in their forties, uh, who are childless and they're showing up on social media and they're

01:40:16.640 just crying. They're sobbing. Genuinely. There's a lot of, there's a big crying on social media thing

01:40:20.340 happening generally, but they're sobbing because they're recognized that in many ways they missed

01:40:23.900 their shot. Right. And they feel that it's difficult to find a man. It's difficult to settle down.

01:40:27.660 I wish I had, I wish I made a different set of choices. I didn't know, et cetera.

01:40:31.360 And what I've been hoping is that that message would propagate backwards in the generations to

01:40:36.660 women in their thirties and in their twenties who see the, the pileup up ahead. And they're like,

01:40:41.160 I don't want that for my life. And I'm going to choose a different route of fulfillment.

01:40:45.900 I'm really hoping that that happens because I would like as many young girls as possible to

01:40:50.780 avoid that fate and to be able to find fulfillment in the home with a man who finds the same fulfillment

01:40:55.800 in her and in the family. That's what I'm really hoping for. And I hope that social media will

01:41:00.160 surface the devastation of the sexual revolution. Maybe we can make a different choice collectively.

01:41:04.900 Well, have you guys heard about the woman, womanosphere? I suppose you'd say womanosphere

01:41:09.900 or womanosphere. This is an article from the Guardian. Now comes the womanosphere, the anti-feminist

01:41:15.680 media telling women to be thin, fertile, and Republican. I like you tell women to be fertile.

01:41:21.620 I mean, like they are at a certain age. Fruitful, maybe. This is one of those things where they're

01:41:26.940 making it something. It's not, that's, this isn't a thing. But they've got, uh, they show

01:41:32.560 Brett Cooper and Candace Owens. I'm not familiar with these other women, to be honest.

01:41:36.640 The Evie magazine is a good example. Yeah. Evie. Yeah. Oh really? Has that been like becoming

01:41:41.480 particularly prominent with pushing traditional values and stuff? Well, I mean, they sort of,

01:41:46.540 it's traditional values, but I don't think it's actually rooted in anything transcendent. It's

01:41:50.600 sort of, it's reactionary. It's saying, well, you see the degeneracy of modern America, let's choose

01:41:55.600 a traditional path as a reaction, as opposed to a righteous choice made in response to like

01:42:00.680 immorality. They wrote, uh, on the most recent episode of our YouTube show, the right-wing

01:42:05.640 commentator, Brett Cooper joined the rest of the world in jeering Katy Perry, Gail King and

01:42:09.600 Lauren Sanchez's brief flight to space. Quote, these women were completely dependent on men

01:42:14.860 who built the spacecraft. Frankly, we all are because men built civilization. They built the

01:42:19.660 homes we live in. They built the studio that I'm recording in the spaceships that all of these rich

01:42:24.020 celebrities are flying around in the difference between Cooper and feminists. She says is I choose

01:42:28.600 to acknowledge that and celebrate it and be grateful. Um, you know, they, they, they wouldn't

01:42:33.540 want to give me any credit in there, but I tweeted that, um, you know, a bunch of women went on a

01:42:39.160 space, a spaceship shaped like a giant penis were launched into space on a rocket that, uh, on this

01:42:44.780 rocket controlled by men remotely. And it was built by men when nothing was accomplished. And when

01:42:49.020 they came back, they acted like it was a great feat, which is a really great analogy for what feminism

01:42:53.440 is, you know, men did all the work and then the women celebrated and you know, there, there, there are

01:42:59.580 many things that women have contributed to, uh, in science and industry and everything. And that's

01:43:03.380 fantastic. And if they want to, they should be allowed to. But the issue I have with modern

01:43:07.320 feminism is that it is a fact women have a time in their lives. They can have kids and

01:43:12.900 men do not. Women make the babies. Men do not. Men contribute to the, to the process

01:43:17.240 of the baby, but the woman's body is what actually incubates and allows the baby to grow

01:43:20.580 and to live. And then even after the baby is born, the mother is still much attached to

01:43:25.100 the baby with breastfeeding. So there's a lot of women being told they can have it all. And

01:43:30.300 then they get into their forties and they're told you will never have children. And for guys

01:43:34.480 that doesn't exist, not in the same way. Yeah. Yeah. And they never could have it all.

01:43:39.660 And a lot of women discovered that the hard way they, they grew in their careers. They got

01:43:45.540 married and they had kids and they were all set and they recognized what am I doing? I

01:43:50.240 don't want to do this. I don't want to sit in, in, in meetings and offices and generate

01:43:54.280 TPS reports. I want to be home with my children. I really enjoy this process. A lot of women say

01:43:58.760 they enjoy the process of being pregnant, of giving birth. They find it very fulfilling. And

01:44:02.760 then they abandoned the workplace. And so the issue that the, the idea that women could

01:44:06.860 have it all was never, was never real. It was a, it was a lie that was told to women.

01:44:11.220 And I think they're waking up to it. Men can't have it all in the same way either.

01:44:14.760 No. Men can sacrifice and do work and men are expendable in evolutionary biology because

01:44:23.500 men don't create babies in their bodies like women do. So what does it mean as a man to have

01:44:28.380 it all? It's find a good wife who will help you have a family and have a job. And what does it

01:44:33.960 mean for a woman to have it all? It means find a good husband who will provide for you and have a

01:44:38.180 family with him. That's right. You provide the family. He provides the resources for your family

01:44:42.580 and a little bit of overlap in between. You know, there's a lot, there's a lot that mothers do,

01:44:47.440 especially traditionally in agrarian cultures where they're actually tending to animals as well and,

01:44:52.360 and, and contributing. But now this idea is that you can be the CEO of a company while having kids.

01:44:56.760 And it's, there's a lot of women whose lives I would argue have been ruined because of this,

01:45:02.900 this push in feminist media. Well, something's got to give.

01:45:06.740 Well, it reminds me of the, um, I can't remember her name. I think she's a congresswoman who's

01:45:11.400 making this big deal about bringing her child onto the floor. Um, right. I can't remember her name

01:45:18.140 offhand, but to me, this is one of those areas where it's like, well, you also can't bring your child

01:45:23.260 into a factory when there's large machines, like not every job you can bring your child to. Um,

01:45:28.920 and so for her, it seemed like she was using that child as a, some sort of prop because quite

01:45:35.720 literally your child doesn't have to be there. Matter of fact, if you're in Congress, you're not

01:45:39.720 there five days a week, you know, all year you're there at certain times for certain reasons to come

01:45:46.620 in for a vote. I think your child can be somewhere else, right? Just like the next person who's been

01:45:52.340 there, uh, plenty of times before their child was somewhere else, right? We can't bring our kids to

01:45:58.180 work for, for many particular reasons. So I do think that there's this, this constant idea where

01:46:05.500 they are, they're trying to force having it all. Um, and by doing that, they have to constantly

01:46:12.640 portray themselves as somehow being victimized by not being able to carry their child in every

01:46:17.600 single place that they're going to. In some places it's not appropriate. It just isn't, right? So

01:46:23.480 you have to make a choice in many respects, or you can do what Congress is trying to do. Or I think

01:46:29.960 they accomplished it where they said, you can have your child on the floor, right? They, they caved into

01:46:35.400 it rather than saying, I hear you, but no, you make enough money. Have someone watch your child

01:46:41.480 for the few hours that you stand in here so you can vote? Like, just like we've been doing this

01:46:47.860 entire time that women have been in, in Congress. So no, I don't think women should try to have it

01:46:53.240 all. Neither do I think that men should try to have it all. Trying to have it all sounds incredibly

01:46:58.900 selfish. It is. Like, I just think that this is a very selfish mindset. It is in, it's in disregard

01:47:07.380 to the person who is standing next to you who doesn't have their child because they made the

01:47:11.820 sacrifice and, and you're supposed to encroach on their space. So your child can sit there and cry

01:47:20.100 and interrupt this other person, right? Or maybe this isn't a normal professional environment for

01:47:26.880 this child to be in. Just like most jobs aren't a normal place. That's why bring your child to work

01:47:32.820 day was a day, right? It was supposed to be a special thing. It wasn't a lifestyle. It wasn't

01:47:37.120 a lifestyle. Exactly. Well, your, your book is about, uh, your book is about absent father,

01:47:41.980 absent fathers. Um, most of it, like your, your experience with your dad, but have we really

01:47:47.380 talked about the societal impact of absent mothers? Okay. So sure. You have a kid and you

01:47:52.180 abandon your kid into daycare, right? For the first few years of the kid's life while you're off

01:47:56.660 doing work, right? What is going to be the impact on that child? Oh, your kids are fine. Well,

01:48:01.320 let's give it 20 years. Is it any wonder that you have children that are growing up that are in

01:48:06.800 therapy that experience all this anxiety because they were raised by strangers? Yeah. Are we allowed

01:48:11.860 to talk about that? Or are we, we just have to sort of paper that over? What happens if you were

01:48:16.060 to say, you know what, I'm going to, I'm going to sacrifice myself to be present for my child,

01:48:22.360 both father and mother. We're going to sacrifice ourselves in various ways to be present for our

01:48:26.720 children. What sort of security and stability does that create for a child? Are we allowed to ask

01:48:30.560 these questions? Yeah. Indeed. I got distracted. I had a, it's all right. Oh yeah. Everybody,

01:48:41.060 now you're both looking at me like I look over here. I'm lost. I got a, I had a emergency thing

01:48:46.420 just hit me. Well, I'll, I'll just add, um, the other part of my book is talking about parental

01:48:52.260 selfishness. Right. Um, so yes, you can have both parents in the home and that's wonderful,

01:48:58.940 but that is a minimal standard that I'm asking for. I'm talking about being involved in your

01:49:03.940 child's life. And if both, uh, both parents are trying to seek a career, um, that, that requires

01:49:10.820 you both working 60 hours a week, then how is this actually working? Are you actually thinking

01:49:17.700 about your child or are you making excuses or are you paying to have someone do it, paying someone

01:49:23.900 to, to step in the place of being a parent for you? So it's one thing to have some help and I get

01:49:31.180 it. There are plenty of circumstances where single mother, uh, single father, they, they need to rely

01:49:37.180 off of somebody else because they do have to go to work completely understandable. Right. But there

01:49:41.380 are, there are many people who are making conscious choices to put themselves first who say, I'm just

01:49:48.080 going to make the most amount of money. I'm going to go for that, that promotion. I'm going to do all

01:49:51.940 of these things that will take me further and further away from my child. They'll be fine. They're

01:49:56.120 adaptable. They just make up all these excuses along the way, but then they're shocked when their child

01:50:01.860 doesn't respect them when they get older, they don't listen to them. They're resentful.

01:50:05.500 Well, I think public school and, uh, external schooling was a mistake. I think it should be

01:50:10.600 pod-based learning and it should be communal and school should be a lot smaller and there should

01:50:14.260 be a commitment from parents to be involved. I agree. We've had this conversation quite a bit on,

01:50:19.280 uh, different shows we do here. And, you know, I hear from people saying it's, I don't have time to

01:50:24.820 do that. One day a week, you get a day off from work and nobody, nobody's working seven days. I mean,

01:50:30.200 some people might be, and then maybe you're excluded, but if you've got a small, a couple blocks and

01:50:34.340 there's 30 kids between these two blocks. And so you've got, you know, 15 parents, maybe, maybe,

01:50:39.460 maybe less, maybe it's 10 parents. Um, one parent takes each day. And so over the course of, you know,

01:50:46.680 one day out of the week, not even between 10 parents. And then you can, uh, you choose what

01:50:53.020 they're learning there with their neighbors and their friends and their family. The problem is,

01:50:58.200 you know, my experience, I think I had maybe two good teachers, uh, in grade school to high school.

01:51:05.120 And then I left high school after like two months because my parents were freaked out at how miserable

01:51:09.920 my brother and I were and we were failing. So we switched to homeschooling. We had homeschooled

01:51:14.560 before grade school, then started kindergarten like normal. And then, uh, I went to Catholic school

01:51:18.980 until fifth grade, sixth grade started public school. Grades collapsed. High school was worse.

01:51:23.860 The teachers were scumbag pieces of human trash for the most part. They were callous. They were

01:51:30.520 mean and they treated everybody, everybody like shit. They were two teachers that I thought were

01:51:35.280 probably were good at any of these schools. So these kids are being sent to a place. They hate

01:51:40.820 they're telling their parents, the teachers are mean to me. And the parents are telling their kids,

01:51:44.440 suck it up. You're full of shit. I, I, that was my experience. I know not everybody dealt with that. I know

01:51:49.780 some people had good schools and good private schools, but where I grew up in Chicago, literally

01:51:53.800 every kid, their experience was when I tell my parents that my teachers are abusive, they tell

01:51:58.460 me I'm lying. And it's like, oh, okay. Well, the teacher who grabbed him by the back of the neck and

01:52:03.360 insulted him in front of the class and then made him stand by the closet. That was, that was something

01:52:07.520 we were forced to endure. And so kids that everyone I knew hated school. And so what happens come high

01:52:13.140 school, they cut class every day. They're like, now I'm finally in. So with grade school,

01:52:18.340 you're supervised a hundred percent. We would, we had a seventh and eighth grade, you rotate

01:52:23.920 classrooms. So you're in one classroom for an hour. Then you get up and everybody moves to the next

01:52:27.560 one with the next teacher for a different subject. High school started and it was, here's your schedule,

01:52:32.080 be in this class at the right time. And that's when the kids were like, I'm out. These teachers

01:52:35.980 are scumbags. They're mean, and I don't want to be here anymore. And now no one can stop me.

01:52:40.320 The institutionalized learning facilities, at least in Chicago, I can't speak for other schools.

01:52:44.400 We're just spitting in kids' faces and expecting them to endure it.

01:52:48.340 Well, the, the other part too, to add what you're saying is that they're far more violent today.

01:52:54.800 Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, I'm not a fighter, you know, I don't get into fights or anything,

01:53:00.300 but the fights that I've gotten to have all been in school. So, you know, that's, that's the existence

01:53:06.560 for a lot of kids is that their fights, their violent encounters, whether they are actively involved

01:53:12.580 in a fight or being assaulted by somebody else is happening within school. And it is happening from

01:53:18.180 another kid, the kid who is violent, who is finding some sort of way to express whatever

01:53:23.660 frustration they have, because whatever is happening at home is, is not good for them either.

01:53:29.320 So they're taking out on other kids. They're becoming the bullies because it's the only way

01:53:34.220 that they can vent their frustration or know how to vent their frustration. Um, it is the,

01:53:39.460 it is the, um, aftermath usually of some sort of traumatic, traumatic event that's happening for

01:53:46.320 that kid. Um, or just neglect, you know, is there's a slew of reasons why kids are becoming

01:53:51.540 more violent. So I do think that there's a chain reaction to family separation, um, parental selfishness,

01:53:59.540 the residual effect of all these adult behaviors is that it's affecting the kids in a variety of ways.

01:54:07.080 So your kid might be depressed and stay at home, or they might go to school and want to beat up

01:54:11.320 everybody, right? You don't know which way it's going to come out. Um, but yes, public schools are

01:54:16.700 becoming far more violent these days, because I do think that the family separation angle is becoming

01:54:23.000 more prominent. It's becoming worse. And then social media incentivizes it, which is why now

01:54:29.220 we're starting to share, even like it's odd in conservative circles, they're sharing high school

01:54:34.100 fights, which I'm just like, why, why are you doing? We have grown adults showing 16 year olds

01:54:39.840 fighting each other. Um, like it's, it's not beneficial. And it actually, it actually incentivizes

01:54:47.740 because the kids want attention. That's why they're doing it. And they say, Oh, it got a thousand likes

01:54:51.860 more of this, right? They want more fights and more. Whereas when I was a kid, we didn't have

01:54:57.320 cell phone cameras. So we just, they fought and they got a little circle and that was about it.

01:55:03.420 You know, so it's, it's getting worse. No cell phones, no cell phones. Yes. But, but you know,

01:55:08.940 this, this is the problem. Um, just like with the banning artificial dyes, the average person does

01:55:14.380 not know the problems that are being created. The snowflake doesn't blame itself for the avalanche. So

01:55:18.120 parents like my kid gets a cell phone, same as everybody else. And then the kids are using cell phones

01:55:21.680 for deranged, degenerate things and it's ruining their lives. Well, the parents know, but this is,

01:55:26.420 that's a weak position because the parents know. I, I, I, I disagree. I think some parents know.

01:55:31.980 I think there's a lot of parents that go to work every day. They say the only way I can go to work

01:55:37.460 is if my kids are in school because I can't afford daycare cell phone. What are they doing? I don't

01:55:41.660 know. They call their friends, I guess, but that's a parent that's not, that's not involved in the

01:55:46.200 kids. And that's the average parent. And that's what I'm saying. This isn't good. So I'm not saying

01:55:50.700 that's not real. This is the problem. The problem is that a lot of parents are disconnected. They're

01:55:56.420 not aware. Like when 2020 was happening, my son, um, was just going into high school and we started

01:56:02.080 having these conversations about cultural Marxism. We started having these conversations. Like if your

01:56:06.480 teacher says this, you need to come and tell me, and you know what, when his feminist teacher said

01:56:10.320 something, he came and told me, or when his, uh, he would tell me like, my teachers are calling out.

01:56:16.080 They rarely come in. Oh, the kids are smoking weed. Like he's telling me all these things to the point

01:56:21.880 where I'm like, and he actually explicitly said, I don't want to go back to school. So I took him out

01:56:26.020 and we did homeschooling for the, his last couple of years. But this is constant communication that you

01:56:31.320 have to have with your kid. It's you were right. But to go back to the experience that I was

01:56:36.200 conveying that I saw from the high schools in my area, when the children go to the parents and say,

01:56:41.380 there's gangs, there's violence, the teachers are abusing us. The parents go, oh, shut up. Just go

01:56:46.180 to school and do your homework. You're complaining and you're full of it. You're just trying to get

01:56:49.460 out of having to do your normal schoolwork. I went to school and nothing was like that.

01:56:52.920 That can't be true. And then when they go to the schools, it's all cleaned up. And the teachers

01:56:58.080 say things like, everything's great. You know, we, we love your kid. And then the parent leaves and

01:57:02.440 they say, say that again, and I'm going to make you, make you pay for it. Like these, these schools,

01:57:06.200 in Chicago were merciless. So I don't know how you tell parents, hey, don't let your kid eat coal

01:57:13.120 tar. You go to some, you know, I've got, I've got liberal friends that, you know, on Facebook and

01:57:18.440 Instagram that are posting that RFK Jr. is making, making it up. They, they genuinely do not believe

01:57:23.440 they're eating coal tar products and giving it to their kids. And like, it's, it's a, it's a, so what do

01:57:28.980 we do? Do we ban these things? I don't know if there's, there's, you know, real simple answers. I think

01:57:33.860 societal transformation is not something that happens overnight. Rome wasn't built in a day.

01:57:37.860 Right. The loss of the church was when communities broke apart and people no longer shared a moral,

01:57:43.780 a moral worldview. And now you have garbage food poisoning people. The companies that put the

01:57:50.800 coal tar in their food products don't care that they do because people buy it. And they say to

01:57:55.160 themselves, well, you know, people can buy what they want to buy. Okay. Well, you're slowly poisoning and

01:57:59.000 killing these people. Oh, well they, it's their choice. That's the society we live in now.

01:58:02.340 I think one of the things that's swimming around a lot of the different topics that we're talking

01:58:06.300 about today are an improper or low value of human life. We really don't look at our fellow

01:58:12.960 humans and say, this is, this is someone made in the image of God. And so therefore I have to

01:58:16.840 properly instruct them in the right way. I have to make sure to give them the right food. I have to

01:58:20.360 make sure if, if the child is, if the person in question is my child, I have to raise them in a

01:58:25.500 particular way. We look at children, we look at others as a burden on our own individual expression,

01:58:30.300 a limitation that's placed on us instead of properly looking at them for who and what they

01:58:34.500 are. And as a result, our society is fraying apart at the seams because we can't look at each other

01:58:39.320 and say, Hey, I value you for your very existence. Instead, it's what you could, what can, what can

01:58:43.760 you produce? How do you fit as a cog into the machine? How can you benefit me? You become an

01:58:48.540 object. And that's what I think America is truly suffering from. And Tim, I think you touched on it

01:58:52.520 beautifully about the church is not just a place of communal gathering. The church is a place of moral

01:58:57.540 instruction. It used to be a place of moral instruction where we talked about the value of

01:59:01.600 human life. We talked about how important it was to propagate ourselves into the future, how glorious

01:59:06.060 that was. And, you know, we gave up on that. And so what are we having right now? We're having a fertility

01:59:10.920 crisis. Why should I project myself into the future? Why should I invest in anything? Why should I care?

01:59:16.040 I think a large component of the fertility crisis is because our society used to tell women that a successful

01:59:21.640 woman had a family. In the fifties, the trope was, are you going to find a husband? Are you going to find a

01:59:26.320 husband? Now it's be a girl boss. So all the young women that are competing with each other for status are

01:59:32.980 being told to compete in the same way men are. I think there's a parallel message. Yes. And I think that there's a

01:59:38.520 parallel message being, being given to men, which is about pleasure seeking, which is about vanity, which is

01:59:44.440 about greed, which isn't about self-sacrifice, you know, for, for women that are being taught to be girl

01:59:49.320 bosses. So these, these problems are synergistic. And so how do we begin to unwind them? Well, women have to

01:59:54.660 begin unwinding it from the feminine side and the men have to begin unwinding it from the masculine

01:59:58.360 side. And we need a standard to point to and say, Hey, you know what? That standard over there that

02:00:02.360 we had for hundreds of years, that worked pretty good. It requires all of us to give up something.

02:00:07.380 It requires all of us to die to ourselves. But when we do that, we find that civilization actually

02:00:12.560 tends to thrive. And when we don't do that, we have now 80 years of data that says it tends to decay.

02:00:17.260 I'll give a, uh, one final thought before we wrap up. Uh, this is the domestication of humans.

02:00:24.140 Wolves were domesticated and became dogs. And a dog is essentially a permanent wolf cub.

02:00:30.520 The behaviors that dog have, dogs have is extremely similar to wolf puppies. So, to,

02:00:36.860 is it cub or puppies? I don't know, puppies. And so what had happened was when humans inadvertently

02:00:42.280 domesticated the wolf, it started because wolves would scavenge the refuse of human camps when they

02:00:47.280 moved. The wolves that were less aggressive towards the humans could get closer. And the humans that

02:00:53.500 tolerated the wolf presence were more likely to survive because the wolves kept other predators

02:00:57.200 away. Over a long period of time, wolves and humans started moving closer and closer together.

02:01:03.380 Because once again, the wolves that were less aggressive could get closer to the humans who

02:01:06.480 would tolerate it. This resulted in a strain of proto-dogs, which were more like puppies and less

02:01:14.180 aggressive. So when they came around, were eating the refuse, the humans chuckled and laughed and

02:01:17.980 threw them some bones. They had more food. They survived more. Eventually, they were dogs. The

02:01:23.620 behavioral change was that the aggressive, aggressive behaviors of wolves and the size were bred out

02:01:28.800 by natural pressures of what humans would tolerate. Humans now have the faithful best friend,

02:01:34.740 which acts like a baby wolf. That's all it is. It's a baby. This is what's happening to humans.

02:01:40.060 As time goes on, humans are becoming permanent children. They don't want to work. They don't

02:01:44.520 want to sacrifice. They don't want to... They act like babies. They act like children do. Into their

02:01:49.660 20s, going to Harry Potter conventions and casting spells on each other and dancing around with

02:01:54.040 lightsabers. Instead of going and staking out new lands and growing farms and sacrificing and being

02:02:00.720 gritty and being adults. You now have millennial women who don't have kids until they're 30.

02:02:06.140 They're in their 30s now, starting to have children. And men are not getting married and

02:02:10.160 they're not having wives. What do they want to do? The attitude among most millennials, less so Gen Z,

02:02:16.400 but among many millennials and some Gen Z is, I want to travel and do things. I want to have fun.

02:02:21.040 I want to experience the world. And it's like, right, you want to be a child. Children trounce about and go

02:02:26.360 on vacation and go on adventures. And then as you get older, you take on more responsibilities

02:02:29.780 and support those who come next. But this is what we're facing, the domestication of humanity,

02:02:34.320 in which case the future is humans will largely just behave like children like they are now.

02:02:41.160 And so, you know, as a new father, I made a joke to my wife. Wouldn't it be funny if all people

02:02:46.880 reacted to their problems the same way babies did? And I'm imagining there's like a guy sitting in his

02:02:51.880 office and he's typing to his computer and he grabs his mug to drink coffee and he goes to sit

02:02:55.420 and the mug's empty and he looks at it and he goes, ah! And he starts screaming at the top of his lungs

02:03:01.360 instead of actually solving his problem. And then my wife laughed and she goes, you mean like liberals?

02:03:06.840 And I was like, oh yeah, good point. But then I take a look at these prominent Democrats and their

02:03:11.220 permanent children. The men are frail, low-T, as if they're 10-year-olds. The women don't want to

02:03:18.400 settle down. They don't want to have families. They don't want to have responsibility. They don't want

02:03:22.400 to work. They want to be communist. They want things to be paid for for them. They want to

02:03:25.940 take out loans to go to school and have the government pay for it. They want daddy to fund

02:03:30.540 their bills. They don't want to do hard work. I'm not saying literally all, but most. It is

02:03:35.980 domestication. And then you have on the right the resistance to that. But we are out of time.

02:03:39.900 So I do appreciate you guys hanging out. This has been fun. Of course, you guys smash the like

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02:03:46.640 Do you want to shout anything out before we go? Good, sir.

02:03:49.100 Yeah, I do have my book, Children We Left Behind. I do have a YouTube channel. I keep forgetting to

02:03:53.740 tell people that. It's at wrong underscore speak when you search for it. And my sub stack,

02:03:59.060 adambcoleman.substack.com.

02:04:01.840 I have a brand new website at willspencer.co. I have a men's mentorship program, which you can see

02:04:06.480 at the top. And you can find my podcast on YouTube at willspencerpod.

02:04:10.840 Right on. Gentlemen, it's been a blast. Thanks for hanging out. For everybody else,

02:04:14.320 thanks for hanging out for the Culture War podcast. We are gearing up for the Culture War

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02:04:44.320 We'll see you next time.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - April 25, 2025

Fertility Decline & DESTRUCTION of the American Family w⧸ Adam Coleman & Will Spencer

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