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00:01:44.820 Good morning and welcome to the Culture War podcast.

00:01:47.800 I am your host today, Phil Labonte.

00:01:51.020 Today we're going to be talking about veterans dissatisfied with the federal government.

00:01:56.480 This is not a new story or something that we haven't covered here at TimCast,

00:02:02.000 but today we have three guests, two of whom have a unique perspective on this topic.

00:02:09.680 So why don't we go ahead and get started?

00:02:11.660 Glenn, why don't you introduce yourself?

00:02:12.920 Phil, my name is Glenn Baker.

00:02:14.160 Sing a little country music, and I'm one of those dissatisfied veterans that you're talking about.

00:02:20.640 Life is not what I thought it would be.

00:02:23.320 Doesn't seem to be the country that I fought for.

00:02:25.440 And I'm finding out from going across the country that there's a lot of people that feel the same way.

00:02:30.040 Appreciate you having me.

00:02:31.060 Cheers.

00:02:32.020 Nate?

00:02:32.880 I'm Nate Kane, and I am also a U.S. Army veteran.

00:02:37.120 I went through quite a bit of an experience of seeing what happens when our government doesn't do the right thing,

00:02:44.180 and then when they go against those that try to do the right thing.

00:02:48.560 And so, you know, we'll be talking about some of that today.

00:02:51.400 It's going to be an interesting story.

00:02:53.040 Travis, why don't you introduce yourself?

00:02:54.840 Yeah, I'm not a veteran, but I am very dissatisfied.

00:02:58.600 I think there's obviously a lot of things that have gone on recently that have opened a lot of people's eyes,

00:03:02.640 and a ton of dissatisfaction.

00:03:04.300 I do have family members that are and have been active military,

00:03:08.520 and I have a lot of friends, obviously.

00:03:10.520 And that list is growing rapidly with how many people Glenn's introduced me to,

00:03:14.840 of just people in general, but more specifically veterans that are very dissatisfied.

00:03:20.140 But thanks for having me on the show, man.

00:03:21.860 You're welcome.

00:03:23.040 We've got Kellen here pushing the buttons today.

00:03:25.920 Kellen's like, I'm not even jumping in yet.

00:03:28.440 What's up, guys?

00:03:28.840 So I think that it's part of the zeitgeist today is the federal government has put itself into a position

00:03:38.840 where criticism falls very easily on it,

00:03:42.780 and I don't think there's a lot of people that have a lot of incentive to defend the federal government

00:03:52.160 unless they're actually in the government.

00:03:53.760 So, Glenn, why don't you go ahead and lay out the things that you've done for the Finish the Fight movie,

00:04:02.140 the initiative that you got started.

00:04:04.420 Well, I can go back a little bit.

00:04:05.780 I'm a Desert Storm veteran.

00:04:07.580 So 35 years ago?

00:04:10.980 Is that right?

00:04:11.640 1990, 90, yeah, almost 35 years ago.

00:04:14.000 I was told there'd be no math today.

00:04:15.920 So I don't know why.

00:04:16.900 You were lied to.

00:04:18.700 Yeah, I was lied to.

00:04:19.780 Well, and I had to do that in my head, and I've still got a morning thing going on in my head.

00:04:23.960 So 34 years ago, I was called up when my son was four months old.

00:04:29.020 I was at my fourth wedding anniversary when I got the call and went and fought.

00:04:33.220 You know, we just did what we were told to do.

00:04:35.640 As an Army guy, the one that raised my hand and swore to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States,

00:04:41.480 that's what we did.

00:04:42.560 And we went and did our job.

00:04:44.420 And I was one of these guys for the longest time that thought, okay, I'm a soldier.

00:04:51.540 I'm a veteran.

00:04:52.720 My country loves me and cares about me.

00:04:55.420 And, oh, my gosh, I've only one time in my life have I been that wrong before, and that's when it came to the pandemic.

00:05:01.660 So I found out that this is not the country that I fought for in 2017.

00:05:08.620 And we can go into that here in a little bit if you'd like to.

00:05:11.740 Here's where the mistake, the biggest mistake I think the government officials are making.

00:05:16.540 We fought for this country, and I would fight for this country again.

00:05:21.420 I would never put on a uniform for the government, though.

00:05:24.660 And the government forgets.

00:05:26.120 There was a time 35 years ago now for me, 36, where I raised my hand,

00:05:32.960 and I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

00:05:40.300 And what you're talking about right now is a government that is not even hiding.

00:05:45.560 It's evil, if you will.

00:05:49.140 It's bias.

00:05:50.660 It's lust for power, lust for money.

00:05:54.560 It's all out in the open, and it just blows my mind.

00:05:57.320 They're not even secret about it anymore.

00:05:59.140 If you can open your eyes, you see it every day.

00:06:01.600 So we're here to expose some of that.

00:06:04.260 Yeah.

00:06:05.140 I do think that we were talking a little bit earlier.

00:06:07.720 The government, the federal government at least, has long ago exceeded its constitutional authority.

00:06:18.060 I think that whether you're talking about all of the regulation that happens inside the United States,

00:06:24.380 the authority that Congress has abdicated to the president to make war,

00:06:31.040 to engage in warfare and foreign police actions, if you will, that's totally unconstitutional.

00:06:39.540 And there's not a whole lot of debate about whether it's constitutional.

00:06:43.680 There are people that will debate that it's legal, people that will say, well, you know,

00:06:47.040 the War Powers Act or what have you, the authorization from Congress for the president to execute the global war on terror.

00:06:56.440 They'll say, well, that was legal, but I'm not personally all that convinced that they're actually legal

00:07:04.360 because things that are offensive to the Constitution are, you know, invalid.

00:07:09.440 Nate, why don't you go ahead and take it from here a little bit about your experience?

00:07:12.660 So one of the things that recently, you know, was adjudicated by the Supreme Court,

00:07:17.700 which I think was a very, very important ruling, is the one on Chevron deference.

00:07:22.400 Absolutely.

00:07:23.300 It has completely, you know, upended this notion that these federal agencies get to regulate and create law.

00:07:32.400 They're not the legislators.

00:07:34.220 But that's what's been going on, and that is a huge part of the problem.

00:07:38.180 Now, Congress is not without their own issues because they have the power of the purse,

00:07:42.300 and yet they have not used it to stop a lot of this.

00:07:45.920 You know, we've got, in fact, one of the things I was very disappointed with, you know, in this current Congress

00:07:53.300 was when they basically decided to continue to fund Section 702 of FISA,

00:08:03.100 which has allowed for unwarranted spying on American citizens.

00:08:07.640 And I don't care what anybody says.

00:08:09.300 This is not Nate Cain saying.

00:08:10.460 This is federal judges saying this.

00:08:12.280 There was a federal ruling where they said that over 458,000 times Section 702

00:08:19.660 was illegally used to spy on American citizens.

00:08:23.700 Now, that's pretty crazy and pretty bold because I was read on to that program at one point in time in my career,

00:08:30.380 and I remember being concerned and going,

00:08:33.260 wow, this is some pretty heavy-duty surveillance capabilities.

00:08:37.640 And I remember thinking, you know, what if they abuse it?

00:08:40.620 But I would never have thought of abusing it because they made it very clear to us that if we did,

00:08:45.720 we were looking at 10 years in prison because of deprivation of rights under color of law,

00:08:50.560 and yet what have we seen?

00:08:53.000 We've seen not a single person at the FBI go to jail for misusing the system.

00:08:57.900 We've not seen any accountability whatsoever.

00:09:00.580 And it's been used, like I said, and it's been used against people on the right and people on the left.

00:09:05.580 That's something I think that's really important because there should be, you know,

00:09:09.620 a broad scope of Americans that are, you know, being, hey, what's going on here?

00:09:14.540 Isn't that traced clear back to the Patriot Act, though?

00:09:17.320 It is.

00:09:18.240 Yeah, it is. 0.56

00:09:19.220 I remember when that act was passed, and I was just dumb enough to believe my country loved me.

00:09:23.920 I'm like, okay, so yeah, okay, they need to do this to be able to find terrorism. 0.99

00:09:27.760 That was such a load of junk.

00:09:31.020 It was actually the way that they could take advantage of something I believe they caused, 0.97

00:09:36.380 but we were told it wasn't.

00:09:38.140 It was an act of terror in order to spy on us.

00:09:42.600 Even if we were to go and steelman the government's argument, right,

00:09:46.080 that the Patriot Act initially was intended to catch terrorists in the U.S.,

00:09:52.760 I don't think that there's any argument that it has greatly exceeded those constraints.

00:09:59.800 So if you want to, not that we're particularly concerned with steelmanning the federal government's arguments,

00:10:06.020 especially, you know, on a day like today when we're covering these kind of topics,

00:10:10.000 but if you do want to say, okay, well, let's hope the government has the best interest of the American people.

00:10:16.040 And 20 years ago or 25 years ago when the Patriot Act was passed, it was more reasonable to think that.

00:10:22.960 You know, now today it's very clear to most, maybe not most Americans,

00:10:27.380 but to a plurality of Americans that the federal government doesn't do things that it's particularly concerned with,

00:10:35.620 that are particularly concerned with protecting the rights of the American people,

00:10:39.600 or at least the bureaucracies aren't, right?

00:10:42.460 So your FBI, your NSA, your bureaucracies that are charged under Homeland Security

00:10:51.820 with protecting the American people and protecting the country,

00:10:54.860 they're not so concerned with the rights of the Americans.

00:10:58.560 But if you're going to steelman it and say, well, you know, they intended to do the right thing,

00:11:05.000 there's not much of an argument that it's been, you know, that it's exceeded the limitations

00:11:10.840 that it initially, the arguments they initially made.

00:11:13.380 Yeah. I think we're living in a world now where we are seeing an example of that law of unintended consequences.

00:11:21.320 You know, they pass these rules, they pass these laws, some act or whatever,

00:11:25.240 and they don't think, they think, oh, we're going to use it for good,

00:11:28.900 but they don't think about, you know, they don't do proper risk management on these laws, right?

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00:12:35.320 This be abused, and they really should.

00:12:37.360 On any law that's created, they should absolutely consider

00:12:40.720 if the wrong person or the wrong administration got a hold of this,

00:12:45.160 how could they misuse it against the American people?

00:12:47.960 One of the things that changed in the world since 9-11

00:12:51.640 is we now have a politicized Department of Justice.

00:12:57.000 That wasn't that way back then, and it is now.

00:13:00.660 I mean, I can tell you firsthand, I was working there,

00:13:03.700 and I absolutely saw at the FBI a very politicized, very woke environment.

00:13:11.000 If we can get Travis to jump in here,

00:13:16.340 how did you get involved with Glennon and Nate,

00:13:22.200 and to what extent is your filmmaker status,

00:13:29.540 what was the outcome you were looking for to start telling this story?

00:13:34.940 Yeah, that's a great question.

00:13:35.840 Man, I just love making movies.

00:13:39.660 But what ended up happening was through a mutual friend

00:13:43.160 who was just a friend for a few days.

00:13:45.320 Glenn knew her for one or two days.

00:13:46.740 I knew her for three or four days at the time,

00:13:49.200 which is the funny part.

00:13:51.100 As I went to this church in Georgia,

00:13:56.660 and Shannon Weimer was someone who was interested in investing

00:14:00.980 in a project that I'm working on,

00:14:02.480 and she was like, hey, this is really great.

00:14:06.820 I think timing for me is bad, but let's keep in touch.

00:14:10.440 I think I can connect you with some people.

00:14:12.500 And then literally the next day or two, she meets Glenn,

00:14:14.980 and Glenn's like, I have a filmmaker that I want to make a music video,

00:14:18.860 and I just don't think it's the right move right now.

00:14:23.960 So she goes, I know a guy.

00:14:26.080 So I don't know how you got connected with Shannon,

00:14:27.860 but it was just a day or two after I had talked to her about a project

00:14:31.980 and all the stuff that I'm working on,

00:14:33.280 and I'm working on some really crazy things right now in the film industry

00:14:36.080 that I think are really going to revolutionize things,

00:14:38.900 wildly revolutionize the film industry.

00:14:42.240 Yeah, that was just an outside, a friend of a friend that she had.

00:14:45.620 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:45.980 So it's that circle of influence.

00:14:47.380 It's a matter of networking, which is something I really do.

00:14:49.680 Yeah, it was a matter of that networking is something that I do well.

00:14:52.640 And so a friend of a friend introduced me to her,

00:14:55.400 and she introduced me to you.

00:14:56.380 And two weeks later, we're filming a music video.

00:14:59.980 Yeah, I mean, we talked.

00:15:01.460 I wasn't really interested in making a music video

00:15:04.580 because I'm more of a feature film.

00:15:07.040 I would do episodic, but more of a feature film is kind of where my heart is.

00:15:12.940 But he's one of those rare cases where Glenn tells a story in his music.

00:15:18.600 So I was like, okay, I actually want to do this project.

00:15:22.360 Let's do it.

00:15:22.860 So we had a great conversation.

00:15:24.400 We dove into it.

00:15:25.820 And to answer your question, which is what did I want out of it?

00:15:29.560 Nothing, really.

00:15:30.660 I mean, initially, it was just like, I believe in this guy.

00:15:33.980 I think he's an undiscovered talent that needs to be discovered.

00:15:37.420 His music is meaningful.

00:15:39.240 It's great.

00:15:40.360 He's got a solid band.

00:15:42.400 But then after the music video, he goes, I think there's more here.

00:15:47.740 And I was like, all right, what are you aiming at?

00:15:51.040 And he goes, I think there's a movie here.

00:15:54.200 I'm like, okay, now you're speaking my language.

00:15:56.040 The music video turned out to be kind of a short movie.

00:15:58.500 I don't know if you guys have seen it, but it's cool.

00:16:00.640 You know, it's about a guy who goes to war and, you know, signs on the dotted line and

00:16:05.920 then meets a battle buddy and they go in to battle together and the battle buddy ends

00:16:11.120 up dying.

00:16:11.700 And it's about, you know, coming home and dealing with that, right?

00:16:16.120 How do you heal physically, emotionally, mentally, all that stuff.

00:16:18.700 So it's just a very touching song.

00:16:20.360 And I love the story.

00:16:21.480 So when we started making the movie, I'm like, all right, what's the premise?

00:16:25.440 He goes, I don't know.

00:16:27.100 I'm like, uh, well, if we're going to make a hour and 50 minute long feature film, we

00:16:33.260 got to kind of know what it's about.

00:16:34.360 No script.

00:16:34.640 Just wing it.

00:16:35.120 Let's go.

00:16:35.500 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:35.780 Let's just kind of what happened at the beginning.

00:16:37.760 Yeah.

00:16:38.560 Let's gladiator this thing where you come in with, you know, a few ideas and then we just

00:16:42.840 make a whole film out of it, which is really what ended up happening.

00:16:46.360 And I think I recut the first half hour six times.

00:16:50.040 And y'all, we made this in, we made this in 90 days.

00:16:55.120 Documentaries can take 10, 15 years.

00:16:58.300 Yeah.

00:16:58.540 Yeah.

00:16:58.800 And some of course take, you know, 12 to 18 months.

00:17:01.640 We did this in 90 days, which might be a record.

00:17:05.660 I don't know.

00:17:06.520 But, uh, it, it went from zero to a hundred very, very quickly.

00:17:11.280 And I didn't really want, yeah, I didn't have the expectation of getting anything out

00:17:16.040 of it.

00:17:16.300 And I still don't know if I will or have, but I, I agree with the vast majority of things

00:17:22.800 in the film.

00:17:23.560 I think it's a powerful message that needs to be heard.

00:17:26.640 And I think, um, I'm just, I'm just proud and glad that I was a part of it.

00:17:31.960 I think more than anything.

00:17:33.140 Um, well, I think once I told you my story and we really had time to get to know each

00:17:37.660 other, it just developed around that.

00:17:41.000 Yeah.

00:17:41.200 Um, my story is, I thought was pretty, pretty unique.

00:17:45.360 And as we went out, um, and meeting people across the country, I'm finding out it's not

00:17:51.080 quite as unique as I thought it was.

00:17:53.500 So, um, I met Nate Kane.

00:17:55.720 I was actually, um, interviewed on Nate's show about my music video.

00:17:59.440 And after the end of the interview, he and I were taught, was talking and he told me his

00:18:04.080 story.

00:18:04.340 And I'm like, Oh my God, I thought I'd been jacked over.

00:18:08.140 This dude had been jacked over and tried to be murdered twice.

00:18:11.260 And I need your story in my movie.

00:18:13.600 And so I asked him if he'd be willing to, to take part in it.

00:18:16.040 And he's absolutely, he did.

00:18:17.320 And, and so it's, it's, it's evolved from there.

00:18:19.900 Finished this fight, diary of a pissed off American soldier.

00:18:23.980 And I'm finding out that it's more than me.

00:18:26.200 There's a lot of pissed off American soldiers.

00:18:28.000 A lot of in the movie, even just in the movie.

00:18:30.400 But of course, across the country and across the world, there's a lot of pissed off people.

00:18:33.620 How many stories do you guys cover in the movie?

00:18:35.840 Primarily the first 25 minutes is what happened to me.

00:18:38.800 Um, we want, we, we've built a foundation.

00:18:41.080 About the pissed off American soldier.

00:18:43.360 And I can tell you that in, in a very abbreviated version in 2017, I got a knock on my door in

00:18:50.200 July, four 30 in the afternoon was getting ready to go out and work.

00:18:53.800 I had a life insurance agency at the time was getting ready to go out and meet some clients,

00:18:56.980 had nothing on, but a pair of shorts and flip-flops answer the door.

00:19:00.340 And there's 10 cops and a SWAT team.

00:19:02.660 And I'm like, that's exactly what I did.

00:19:05.180 I'm okay.

00:19:06.080 What's this?

00:19:07.100 How can I help you guys?

00:19:08.140 And they said, well, we had a, a, a domestic disturbance call at this address and it made

00:19:12.800 me chuckle because I live alone.

00:19:15.040 And they said, I said, you know, and I told him that I live alone.

00:19:17.660 How's that possible?

00:19:18.340 He said, that happens all the time.

00:19:19.960 Did they have body?

00:19:20.840 Okay.

00:19:21.080 I've always wondered this.

00:19:21.900 Did they have body cams on?

00:19:23.140 Because that was a complete and utter lie.

00:19:26.440 Dude, I don't know.

00:19:27.580 I never have been in trouble.

00:19:28.960 So I wasn't looking for what should have been obvious. 0.98

00:19:31.880 I'm just like, what the crap's going on here? 0.95

00:19:34.080 But who comes with 10 cops and a SWAT team to a domestic disturbance call when that it's 0.99

00:19:41.040 a, it's a lie.

00:19:41.920 The whole thing was a farce.

00:19:43.480 I actually asked them, where's the camera when I'm, when I'm being handcuffed, where's

00:19:49.440 the camera?

00:19:50.360 He's, what are you talking about?

00:19:51.280 I said, this is absolutely nuts.

00:19:54.460 Who's hiding film in this thing?

00:19:56.600 Did you, have you found out who made the call?

00:19:59.900 There was no, there was no call.

00:20:01.340 No, there was no domestic disturbance.

00:20:02.980 That's the whole, that's the crazy thing is they show up and say there's a domestic

00:20:06.600 disturbance call and there's no call.

00:20:08.880 They just wanted a reason to knock on the door and say, oh, it's no big deal.

00:20:13.320 Come on out here.

00:20:14.140 And then, you know, when you step out your door, they got you.

00:20:16.460 Yeah.

00:20:16.720 So they just wanted an excuse to knock on his door and have him feel like, oh, it's not

00:20:20.720 a big deal.

00:20:21.840 And then of course, you know, finish your story, but come to find out the whole thing 0.99

00:20:25.800 is ridiculous. 0.96

00:20:26.760 Yeah. 0.97

00:20:27.080 So I step out the door and I'm thrown against the wall and handcuffed and taken to Fort

00:20:31.720 Lauderdale, Broward County jail, spent 23 days in Broward County.

00:20:37.040 Didn't have an attorney the whole time.

00:20:38.700 Who were you charged with?

00:20:39.940 They wouldn't even tell me at the beginning.

00:20:41.900 They couldn't, they didn't know.

00:20:42.840 It was an out of state warrant.

00:20:44.700 The charge was titled receiving property under a false pretense, but nobody could tell me

00:20:51.240 what that meant.

00:20:51.960 I didn't see an attorney for 23 days.

00:20:55.160 I was then transferred to North Carolina where I found out at that point when I saw an attorney

00:21:00.720 finally, um, that it was a, um, uh, an embezzlement charge and I'd never embezzled anything from

00:21:08.560 anybody.

00:21:08.960 The attorney finally got me some discovery a couple of days later and I found a, um, a

00:21:14.040 sheet of paper, a handwritten, um, receipt in my former partners, my former business partner's

00:21:19.920 handwriting with his address, home address on it, that he had taken $22,000 from a client

00:21:25.720 that I'd given him when I exited that company in 2014.

00:21:29.540 So he had embezzled from a client that I'd given him when I left the company three years

00:21:33.380 prior to me being arrested.

00:21:34.580 I didn't even know what had happened.

00:21:36.060 And I'm thinking, okay, I'll be out of here in no time.

00:21:38.860 51 more days.

00:21:40.920 I spent 73 days in two different jail cells before I got myself out.

00:21:45.640 And basically I got myself out.

00:21:46.980 I threatened my attorney.

00:21:48.100 Was there no, no, they had no chance to post bail or anything?

00:21:51.720 $25,000 cash bond.

00:21:54.280 And remember this, the first 23 days, no attorney.

00:21:57.740 They wouldn't let me access a cell phone.

00:21:59.580 Even I didn't have any telephone numbers memorized.

00:22:02.020 Nobody knew where I was at.

00:22:03.800 And my kids thought I'd died.

00:22:06.600 It was, I disappeared.

00:22:08.160 It was gone from the face of the earth.

00:22:10.760 For weeks, right?

00:22:12.300 Yeah.

00:22:12.520 Before you made a phone call.

00:22:13.520 Three weeks plus.

00:22:15.060 That is just.

00:22:16.100 Yeah.

00:22:16.400 Three weeks.

00:22:17.000 I've heard the story like, you know, 250,000 times because I edited the movie for goodness

00:22:21.880 sake.

00:22:22.520 And we filmed the story.

00:22:23.880 You gotta, you gotta see the movie if you haven't already, but it's, he tells the story

00:22:27.260 and we tell it in more detail and we kind of did it in a funny way.

00:22:30.480 You ever see a drunk history?

00:22:32.020 Yeah.

00:22:32.320 Comedy center.

00:22:32.700 So we kind of did that.

00:22:33.800 So I wanted to be like palpable for people.

00:22:36.680 Cause when you're listening to it, you're like, there's no freaking way.

00:22:39.540 There's no way he didn't get an attorney for three weeks.

00:22:41.500 There's no way he didn't, wasn't able to make a phone call for three weeks.

00:22:43.760 They would not even give him a cell phone to get phone numbers so he can make a phone

00:22:46.960 call.

00:22:47.240 Oh, check this out.

00:22:48.160 Finally, on the eighth day, I saw a judge, the first eighth day, um, and told him that

00:22:53.520 I hadn't got to use my cell phone and they were requiring a court order.

00:22:57.360 He's like, I have never written a court order for a cell phone.

00:23:01.040 I'm not going to do it.

00:23:01.940 And he made his mind up.

00:23:03.760 And after that, the bailiff came over to me from the side.

00:23:06.680 He heard the story.

00:23:07.500 He's like, listen, let me go talk to him.

00:23:09.200 So this big burly bailiff goes behind the, uh, the podium there and convinces the judge

00:23:15.100 to write a court order that demands them to access my phone for telephone numbers.

00:23:19.800 So the next day I hand it to the, to the jailer, the court order.

00:23:23.880 They come back that afternoon.

00:23:25.240 I'm like, well, where's the phone?

00:23:26.700 He's like, you're not going to get it.

00:23:28.140 The phone died and we're just not going to charge it.

00:23:32.520 That's our justice system, boys and girls.

00:23:36.280 Yep.

00:23:36.720 So they made the judge write a court order.

00:23:39.200 And then they didn't honor it.

00:23:41.580 I still have the court order to this day.

00:23:43.800 And that was, that was on that paper that I showed you that I'd written in my diary.

00:23:47.800 And what's wild about that is you didn't do it. 0.99

00:23:52.160 So they're treating this guy like garbage because they think that he's a piece of garbage. 0.99

00:23:55.920 And then it turns out, uh, no, he's just a normal guy. 0.99

00:23:59.160 Even served our country and got ramrodded. 1.00

00:24:01.660 Even still like an embezzlement charge.

00:24:03.860 What do you think the, do you think that that was, uh, do you think that they were lying

00:24:07.900 about the embezzlement charge room?

00:24:09.080 And if so, what do you think the reason for them coming to pick you up was?

00:24:13.480 I honestly don't know the reason.

00:24:15.760 Now my former partner was a retired pastor, 49 years in the pulpit, 25 years on TV.

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00:24:52.300 Hey Ma, remember that cottage we used to go to every summer?

00:24:55.980 Yes.

00:24:56.760 Oh, so many memories.

00:24:58.960 I think about it all the time.

00:25:00.660 I wish it was still ours.

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00:25:22.500 His son-in-law is a state representative in North Carolina.

00:25:25.340 And he, I had found out when I'd been in business for a year or so, that people either loved him or they hated him.

00:25:33.420 And the guy turned out to be a shyster behind a pulpit.

00:25:36.320 And so they came to him and they interviewed him from the client that made the complaint.

00:25:42.320 This guy convinced this client that I took the money and left the state.

00:25:46.120 This happened seven months after I'd already been gone.

00:25:48.660 But he was good at what he did.

00:25:50.760 So why did they do that?

00:25:52.540 First of all, the embezzlement charge, because there was a contract between me and a client for a down payment, should have never been anything more than civil.

00:26:02.180 There was no criminal case there at all.

00:26:05.920 Second, they had zero evidence that I was involved or even knew that it had happened.

00:26:10.440 And while I'm there, I'm signing documents.

00:26:13.720 They're looking through my bank records.

00:26:15.300 They're looking through everything.

00:26:16.680 There's nothing that shows I took that money because it didn't happen.

00:26:21.840 73 days.

00:26:23.220 The week before I got out, I caught an infection in that jail.

00:26:27.440 And they didn't treat it for six days.

00:26:29.900 And I'm assuming I can say this. 0.99

00:26:31.540 It went into my right testicle. 0.98

00:26:33.080 I woke up one morning, had one that was the size of an orange. 0.97

00:26:36.780 And no treatment, no treatment, no treatment, no treatment.

00:26:40.560 Finally, on the sixth day after I caught that infection, it went into my right ear.

00:26:44.220 And the nurse finally saw me, gave me an antibiotic, said, you'll get another one tomorrow.

00:26:48.740 And that day, my attorney came to me and said, listen, Glenn, you're going to be here for a while, probably another year and a half.

00:26:56.120 In a jail with no charges filed or with no...

00:27:00.540 The charge had been filed.

00:27:01.580 I'd never gone in front of the judge except to read the charge.

00:27:04.900 There had been no hearing, nothing.

00:27:09.740 But he said, you're going to be here another year and a half.

00:27:12.300 They have no evidence against you.

00:27:13.760 We've gone through everything.

00:27:15.100 They're not ready to let you go.

00:27:16.600 In about six months, more than likely at that time, they'll offer a plea.

00:27:21.560 If you plead not guilty, you'll be here another year waiting on a trial at least.

00:27:26.400 Or if you can gather up $25,000, we'll let you go.

00:27:29.620 There's not a bond.

00:27:30.800 You're out of state.

00:27:31.660 You're a flight risk.

00:27:32.820 It's $25,000 cash.

00:27:34.180 You were living in Florida, right?

00:27:36.600 Yeah, but this was in North Carolina.

00:27:38.020 They had extradited me to North Carolina.

00:27:39.100 They sent you to North Carolina.

00:27:39.820 Okay.

00:27:39.980 Yeah.

00:27:40.320 How long did the extradition take?

00:27:42.040 23 days from Broward County.

00:27:43.980 And then I was in North Carolina.

00:27:45.080 I was in the back of a van for two days, handcuffed and shackled in the feet, sitting in the back of a van to go to another jail.

00:27:52.200 So, for 48 hours, you were in the back of a van.

00:27:55.480 Well, we stopped in Valdosa, Georgia.

00:27:58.880 Okay.

00:27:59.580 And spent the night in another jail that looked like a gulag.

00:28:03.860 Well, it's not that long of a drive.

00:28:05.420 Why did it take two days?

00:28:06.500 Because they were picking other people up to deliver.

00:28:08.300 Oh, gosh.

00:28:09.280 Yeah, you're just a product at that point.

00:28:11.100 That must have been so much fun.

00:28:12.360 Oh.

00:28:12.980 You know what was fun, though?

00:28:14.160 There was a funny story, and I don't think I ever told you this.

00:28:16.660 So, I didn't have any telephone numbers.

00:28:18.800 They still hadn't accessed my cell phone.

00:28:21.200 So, this jailer, these two jailers, a man and a woman, black man and black woman, probably mid to late, early, late 20s, early 30s.

00:28:29.480 And we're driving, and I just do what Glenn does, and I'm talking to him, and I make friends.

00:28:34.900 And I finally convinced the woman.

00:28:36.140 I said, listen, they have not let me access my cell phone.

00:28:38.880 I've got no numbers.

00:28:40.900 I see you're on your Facebook, on your phone.

00:28:42.900 Could I ask you to do me a favor?

00:28:45.020 And she's like, what?

00:28:45.660 I said, get on your messenger and send a message to Kenny Dietrich.

00:28:51.460 Oh, my God.

00:28:52.540 He's in the documentary.

00:28:53.580 He's in the documentary.

00:28:54.520 I said, send a message to Kenny Dietrich.

00:28:56.440 Now, he's going to think you're a scam.

00:28:58.000 So, here's what I want you to say.

00:29:00.420 Tell him that you've got Glenn Baker in the back of a van, shackled and handcuffed, on the way to North Carolina.

00:29:08.060 And he's going to say, nah, it's a scam.

00:29:10.580 Tell him, Glenn told me to tell you.

00:29:13.660 Do you remember the time when you told some customers to go find Glenn standing underneath a Dodge Neon?

00:29:21.040 And she did it.

00:29:22.580 And I'm the only one who could have ever came up with that.

00:29:25.280 He used to make fun of my height all the time.

00:29:27.100 And he told some clients, go find Glenn on the other side of this car lot, standing underneath a Dodge Neon.

00:29:31.920 That's how you'll know he's there.

00:29:33.240 And so, she told him that.

00:29:35.020 And all of a sudden, I got my first telephone number through a jailer so that I could call somebody when I got to that other jail.

00:29:40.960 But it's one of these stories that's like, I never would have believed it.

00:29:46.480 I never would have believed that that happens in the United States.

00:29:49.420 Man, I'm a middle-aged businessman, never been in trouble, and lost my freedom without any evidence that I'd done anything wrong.

00:29:59.780 Only an accusation.

00:30:01.260 And that's today's America.

00:30:02.960 And quite frankly, Phil, that's what it took for me to be woken up out of the matrix.

00:30:07.220 Because up to that point, I thought my government loved me, had my best interest at heart, wouldn't hurt me.

00:30:13.320 I had no idea.

00:30:15.280 So, you were talking to one of the jailers that was on their cell phone in the van with you.

00:30:24.240 In the van.

00:30:25.140 So, you never told me that part of the story.

00:30:27.080 That is some, well, maybe not Nate Kane, James Bond level, but that's pretty slick, man.

00:30:33.080 That's slick, baby.

00:30:33.700 I like that.

00:30:34.500 And that's how I got the first number.

00:30:36.060 That's slick, bro.

00:30:37.700 That's how I got the first number.

00:30:39.040 And then Kenny called and got my sister's number.

00:30:42.960 So, that's how I got the number.

00:30:44.780 I never got them.

00:30:45.480 You never told me that.

00:30:46.320 I never got them from my phone.

00:30:48.000 That's such a good part of the story.

00:30:49.160 I know.

00:30:49.580 I don't know how I can think of it.

00:30:50.540 That's like Tim Cast exclusive.

00:30:53.120 It is.

00:30:53.520 That gives whole new context to the joke in the movie about you standing under the Dodge Neon.

00:30:58.780 So, now I know.

00:31:00.360 That's true.

00:31:01.020 You got to see the movie, y'all.

00:31:03.320 Go finish this fight.us.

00:31:05.020 Buy the movie.

00:31:06.360 Watch Kenny Dietrich.

00:31:08.000 That part alone is worth $11.

00:31:11.280 And I'm glad that you guys did the movie the way you did because otherwise I would have left the movie completely pissed off and unsatisfied.

00:31:19.120 But there's a lot of comedy that's spread throughout the movie.

00:31:23.920 And it's good.

00:31:26.000 Good.

00:31:26.620 I don't know if I answered your question or not.

00:31:28.840 But that's...

00:31:29.440 I don't remember the question because you can talk for an hour about it.

00:31:32.700 I know.

00:31:33.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:34.540 I'm trying to piece together the story.

00:31:37.360 I'm looking for what the actual, you know, you said that there was the accusation from someone else that was probably because of your former business partner.

00:31:50.500 And I'm wondering, I'm trying to figure out if there was a pretense that you were arrested under or if there was something that they were actually interested in that was beyond what you were told.

00:32:03.060 I wish it was that interesting.

00:32:05.580 I wish I had some kind of crazy knowledge that somebody was trying to get to.

00:32:09.020 At the end of the day, what I think happened is this pastor embezzled money from these people and convinced them that I had done it because I was out of the state already.

00:32:19.560 He was just trying to get out from being in trouble.

00:32:21.540 I guess what I'm looking for is some reason for the, you know, both the Broward County and the North Carolina Justice Departments to behave in the way that they did.

00:32:32.900 Right.

00:32:33.040 Because if a story says, you know, if you're dealing with someone that has a negative interaction with the police,

00:32:39.640 if there's one jurisdiction that is doing something that is, you know, wrong or is somehow behaving outside the law, that's understandable.

00:32:52.060 For two different jurisdictions to be.

00:32:55.180 Wasn't that the weird thing?

00:32:56.220 That they were like.

00:32:56.600 Yeah.

00:32:57.500 In cohorts together against a guy that didn't do anything.

00:33:00.200 Yeah.

00:33:00.500 I mean, well, that's what.

00:33:01.740 And usually I would imagine there would be a story that would be told.

00:33:04.740 One would be, you know, kind of unaware of the, the, the motivation of the one that's actually looking to prosecute.

00:33:13.380 Right.

00:33:13.540 So it was North Carolina that really wanted to get their hands on you.

00:33:16.180 And I imagine Broward County would be unaware or uninterested in what it is that North Carolina was after.

00:33:24.800 And so for them to show up with a SWAT team at your house on a domestic and then wrap you up when there was clearly no one else inside the house.

00:33:34.000 Yep.

00:33:34.920 You know, you live alone.

00:33:36.080 There's no one there.

00:33:37.140 You, you know, if, if, if someone calls in a domestic to, to actually be the impetus to get you into custody, I'm just trying to figure out, or, or I'm wondering what it is or wondering if there was something else that was going on or what the, you know, how it was that you could get both of these two separate jurisdictions to, to behave in such a, you know, nefarious ways.

00:34:01.420 I wish I knew the answer to that.

00:34:02.980 And what I think I've seen is that stuff like this happens way more than we realize.

00:34:07.920 Oh yeah.

00:34:08.520 That it's, it's par for the course.

00:34:11.020 That's exactly what I was going to say.

00:34:12.440 I think this is happening every day and not everybody can make a movie about it.

00:34:18.300 I think that's just the crazy thing is that he's just one of a million people that are telling the story.

00:34:23.460 I think this is happening all the time.

00:34:25.480 And look, I'm not trying to dunk on the police.

00:34:28.760 We need them and they need to be trained correctly.

00:34:31.960 I think that's one of the biggest problems, the whole defund the police.

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00:35:04.740 Hey Ma, remember that cottage we used to go to every summer?

00:35:08.380 Yes.

00:35:09.200 Oh, so many memories.

00:35:11.400 I think about it all the time.

00:35:13.060 I wish it was still ours.

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00:35:34.580 Police thing was such a crime because police need more training.

00:35:39.220 You can go through like a basic, right?

00:35:41.160 And I'm not a, I have never gone through it, so don't quote me on it.

00:35:45.740 Yeah, so yeah, they go through a training and then they're like, go out into the wild.

00:35:50.180 Wild, and depending on where you are, it could be a lot less wild, or it could be a lot more wild.

00:35:54.880 But you get jaded really quick, and they don't get enough training.

00:35:58.980 I think we need to...

00:36:00.200 They certainly don't get enough training on the Constitution.

00:36:03.380 In fact, I would say that...

00:36:05.260 A lot of times they don't know the law.

00:36:06.300 I'd say they don't.

00:36:07.540 And they don't know, I think a lot of them don't know the authority that the Constitution has over all every other law.

00:36:13.640 And so we see this problem in the military, too.

00:36:16.760 We see this problem in the military.

00:36:18.220 We see it in anywhere where you have lines of authority, right?

00:36:21.300 It's in the FBI.

00:36:22.380 It's in the local police, the sheriff's departments, everywhere, which is that people get used to obeying orders.

00:36:29.600 Yeah.

00:36:29.900 And they just go ahead and do it.

00:36:31.080 In fact, there have been studies that have been done on this after World War II.

00:36:35.800 There's a famous one, I can't remember the name of it, but where they had a bunch of students at the university.

00:36:43.940 There were two kind of famous tests, and I remember learning this in my psychology class.

00:36:48.460 But one of them was really interesting.

00:36:49.880 They got a bunch of students to pretend.

00:36:52.460 They were hooked up to electrodes.

00:36:54.260 Yeah.

00:36:54.440 And you remember the story, right?

00:36:55.800 And they had the teachers turn the volume up on the electricity.

00:37:00.260 And, of course, the kids were all acting and everything.

00:37:02.680 But there was a mark on there that said, don't go beyond.

00:37:06.940 And when they were told to go beyond it, they did.

00:37:09.320 They did.

00:37:09.740 80% of them.

00:37:10.920 Just so long as authority said it was up there.

00:37:12.560 That's right.

00:37:12.960 The authority figure said, no, it's okay.

00:37:14.320 We can do this.

00:37:15.100 And afterwards, these teachers had PTSD.

00:37:17.960 Yeah.

00:37:18.180 Because they couldn't understand why they did that either.

00:37:20.820 Yeah.

00:37:21.060 And, of course, the kids were screaming and passing out and all, you know, totally going.

00:37:25.340 I love that.

00:37:25.780 But it showed a very, very important thing.

00:37:28.920 They were trying to understand how Nazi guards—

00:37:30.980 I believe they stopped.

00:37:31.560 I think that with this experiment, they said they couldn't do it anymore after that happened.

00:37:36.020 I'm not positive.

00:37:36.780 No, no.

00:37:37.420 It was absolutely never allowed again.

00:37:39.680 Yeah.

00:37:39.840 Because, yeah, because it did harm psychologically to these teachers.

00:37:43.060 So it's kind of crazy.

00:37:44.520 But the other one that was similar was they had two sets of groups of students that were from the same class.

00:37:50.380 And one of them were the jailers, and the other one were the prisoners, and they were, like, locked in for, like, a period of time.

00:37:56.940 And they found, you know, certain behaviors that developed in this environment.

00:38:02.560 And so I think there's a real threat of that any time you have authority.

00:38:09.920 And so that's why I think it's important for anybody who's in a position of authority, number one, there needs to be consequences if they abuse that authority, and it should be very severe, so that it puts a check on them.

00:38:21.560 So they think, oh, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to overstep and violate this person's rights.

00:38:26.900 And the problem is, is that, you know, in the case of what happened to Glenn, absolutely the FBI should have investigated that for deprivation of rights under color of law.

00:38:38.700 And in some cases of where there's video or there's, you know, it becomes a national spectacle or something, they will get involved.

00:38:48.320 But what about the FBI when they do it?

00:38:51.700 Nobody goes after them.

00:38:53.880 Has there been, have you, your lawyer wasn't interested in suing, or you don't have a lawyer that's interested in suing?

00:38:59.920 He was a flawed.

00:39:01.080 Well, yeah, but, so, I mean, fair enough.

00:39:03.440 But you haven't, there, there, you may, you know, you've got a movie out.

00:39:06.600 Have you been in contact with any other lawyers interested in suing Broward County or suing North Carolina?

00:39:11.880 I mean, I imagine if this, with this story, there's, you know, there's got to be plenty of evidence.

00:39:17.420 And this seems like there's all kinds of room to, you know, at least attempt to get some kind of, you know, some kind of, you know, compensation for the, you know, the illegal, illegal actions of a, what amounts to, you know, small town abuse of power.

00:39:40.460 Oh, it absolutely is.

00:39:42.600 I was in a position when I got home.

00:39:44.440 I'd lost everything.

00:39:45.240 I'd lost my home, lost my car.

00:39:47.080 It was repoed while I was gone.

00:39:48.640 80% of my life insurance agency was gone because of a financial accusation.

00:39:52.600 And the night after I got home, that infection that I told you about went into my right eye and destroyed my cornea.

00:39:58.520 So I'm blind in my right eye for a year.

00:40:00.580 For a year, I didn't care whether I lived or died.

00:40:03.240 Now, I'm telling you, I wasn't suicidal.

00:40:05.060 I was just defeated.

00:40:07.060 I was defeated.

00:40:07.980 I looked in a few and talked with a few attorneys about it.

00:40:11.760 I didn't really want to raise a bunch of cane until it was dismissed.

00:40:16.520 And it took them three years to do raising cane.

00:40:20.220 There he is right there.

00:40:21.540 It took them three years before they dismissed the charge with prejudice.

00:40:25.100 They had nothing anyway.

00:40:26.480 Okay.

00:40:26.720 So they dismissed it with prejudice then.

00:40:28.220 All right.

00:40:29.340 Yeah.

00:40:29.560 That means nothing can be brought for, if you don't know, if it's dismissed with prejudice, that means that they can't bring the charges anymore.

00:40:36.520 Or this is all just a garbage prosecution.

00:40:41.240 Yeah. 0.94

00:40:41.680 It's gone.

00:40:42.580 But the attorneys that I did speak to had told me, the North Carolina attorneys especially, that the way their system is set up and the laws are set up in North Carolina, if you get out of jail alive, you really have no recourse.

00:40:54.680 They've done their job.

00:40:56.460 There's nothing they can do.

00:40:58.040 Well, yeah, for a defense attorney, but you don't have the ability to.

00:41:01.220 Oh, I was talking to people who could sue them.

00:41:05.320 I just went crazy brain dead on that term.

00:41:08.860 But, yeah, to people that could sue them and were used to suing the government and nobody would pick it up.

00:41:13.900 But on their behalf, I was defeated and I didn't try real hard.

00:41:17.860 I just spent time healing.

00:41:20.920 And I do think from the release of this movie, and it has nothing to do with why we've done it, but somebody's going to see this and say, you know what, I think I can help.

00:41:30.320 Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's – and, I mean, hopefully someone watching will, you know, know someone or something like that because the story that you outlined, it does seem like that kind of abuse of power is ripe for a lawsuit.

00:41:45.740 And, you know, this is the United States where there is no shortage of, you know, lawyers.

00:41:52.200 There are plenty of lawyers in the U.S.

00:41:53.820 And I would imagine there would be someone motivated to – especially, you know, considering what seems like such an open and shut case.

00:42:02.160 Well, you would think so.

00:42:03.380 Broward County is completely corrupt anyway.

00:42:06.560 But think about this.

00:42:07.640 Being held for 23 days not knowing why you were being held, not allowed to see an attorney, don't see a judge for eight days when the judge does give you a court order.

00:42:16.920 So you couldn't see an attorney for almost three weeks, huh?

00:42:20.060 You never had the option of seeing an attorney.

00:42:21.500 I had nobody to call, had nobody to call, had no money, couldn't get a hold of an attorney on my own.

00:42:30.020 And then when the judge gave the court order, they wouldn't access my cell phone, so I couldn't get it that way.

00:42:36.060 And then they didn't give me an attorney.

00:42:38.240 See, by law, you get an attorney when you're arrested.

00:42:42.200 I mean, it's just the law.

00:42:43.760 And they said, that's not our deal.

00:42:45.020 It's an out-of-state deal.

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00:43:14.720 Hey, Ma. 1.00

00:43:16.640 Yeah?

00:43:17.060 Remember that cottage we used to go to every summer?

00:43:19.400 Yes.

00:43:20.120 Oh, so many memories.

00:43:22.340 I think about it all the time.

00:43:23.940 Yeah.

00:43:24.300 I wish it was still ours.

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00:43:44.720 State warrant.

00:43:46.720 Yeah, and they never Mirandized him.

00:43:48.660 Never Mirandized.

00:43:49.400 So he never was, you know, right to remain silent, right to be an attorney.

00:43:52.840 Did you have to wait to see a lawyer once you got to North Carolina?

00:43:55.760 No, that happened.

00:43:56.440 Well, I got in in the evening, and it happened the next day.

00:43:59.000 Okay.

00:43:59.840 So.

00:44:00.080 So to extradite you from Florida to North Carolina, you had no representation for that

00:44:06.400 process at all.

00:44:07.060 Now, the eighth day when I did see that judge, he told me, you have the right to file a plea

00:44:13.200 against the, or not to file a plea, to not agree with the extradition.

00:44:16.900 Fight the extradition, yeah.

00:44:17.660 Yeah, but you're going to be here a minimum of 45 days, and it may be longer than that.

00:44:23.800 Or if you agree to extradition, you could still be here for 30 days, but then they'll

00:44:29.160 extradite you and you can find out what's going on.

00:44:31.360 And I said, I don't want to be here no matter what, but I want to get to the bottom of this.

00:44:35.380 I have done nothing wrong.

00:44:36.500 And so I agreed to extradition.

00:44:38.820 You know, I want to say something on the, you were asking about, like, why haven't you

00:44:43.220 gotten an attorney to go after him and all of that?

00:44:45.560 Even after what I went through, it's like the last thing you want to do is have to live

00:44:51.360 through that all over again.

00:44:53.360 And there is a, I know this happens with like, for example, women who get, you know, 0.99

00:44:58.800 raped or sexually assaulted, right?

00:45:00.360 Oftentimes they don't even want to report it or deal with it because they don't want to

00:45:04.980 talk about it.

00:45:05.560 It's traumatic.

00:45:07.780 It's traumatizing.

00:45:09.540 And I know that that happens.

00:45:12.620 And to be honest with you, the process of getting an attorney when you have been wronged,

00:45:16.900 especially to go after the government, you'd be surprised at how many attorneys are just

00:45:21.000 not interested.

00:45:22.460 It takes certain types of attorneys and usually they want money up front. 0.99

00:45:26.800 And so, you know, and when you're already financially, you know, you've just been basically

00:45:30.480 screwed and you got no money now. 0.53

00:45:32.820 So it's really hard to find an attorney that's going to take that on, you know, without some 0.90

00:45:39.360 money up front.

00:45:40.320 And that is a big problem in our justice system, without a doubt.

00:45:44.240 What would even be the advantage to the lawyer to take on a case like that?

00:45:48.260 I mean, obviously you would win money for the case.

00:45:51.620 And obviously, you know, lawyers at that point, they work for 30 to 40 percent, but their

00:45:57.080 career could be, you know, stained if they're going around suing municipalities.

00:46:04.840 Sure.

00:46:04.860 That seems like it would be a problem for a lawyer.

00:46:06.820 So I don't even know if they would want to take on that case.

00:46:09.300 I never found one.

00:46:10.820 Never found one.

00:46:11.940 And if it happens, it happens.

00:46:13.380 If it doesn't, it doesn't.

00:46:14.160 Here's the great news, Phil.

00:46:15.700 God has restored me.

00:46:17.500 I've got more now than I had when I lost it.

00:46:19.740 I've got a great career.

00:46:21.660 I get to go all over the country and sing and now get to go around the country and talk

00:46:24.680 about what we're doing here.

00:46:26.400 So I'm not on a vendetta.

00:46:29.040 I truthfully am pro-cop and pro-law and order.

00:46:33.080 The challenge with the law and what you were talking about a while ago in the Constitution,

00:46:36.240 the Constitution is very simple.

00:46:38.680 We've added amendment after amendment after amendment, but it's very simple.

00:46:42.220 The legal system is not.

00:46:44.300 If you were to stack laws on a piece of paper up in a pile, how high would that pile be?

00:46:52.880 I mean, law after law after law after law.

00:46:56.540 Nobody knows what the law really is.

00:46:58.800 Yeah.

00:46:59.400 And it's done that way by design.

00:47:01.460 I mean, that's the way they graphed things.

00:47:03.580 That's the way the money's graphed.

00:47:04.640 That's the way the laundering takes place.

00:47:06.180 That's the way the power is kept.

00:47:07.840 Keep them confused and they'll never know what they're doing.

00:47:10.980 Same way with tax code. 0.98

00:47:12.680 Tax code is incredibly ridiculous. 0.95

00:47:15.300 Yeah. 0.92

00:47:15.660 We are in a system of government that our founding fathers did not design.

00:47:20.880 It's not even really a good facsimile of it anymore.

00:47:25.960 We have like an oasis.

00:47:30.440 It's a vision of freedom, but it's nothing tangible.

00:47:34.680 Our freedoms are very, very fragile right now.

00:47:38.540 And I want to help spread that word to people, not to cause people to have fear, but for them to pay attention that freedom isn't free, Phil, but it's also not cheap.

00:47:52.020 It has always cost something.

00:47:54.240 And I'm 57 years old.

00:47:56.840 It was easy my whole life until this happened to me.

00:48:00.540 Now it's not.

00:48:01.680 Now I'm paying attention.

00:48:03.240 And now I know that it's got to be a price paid in order for us to keep it for our kids and our grandkids.

00:48:08.300 And I'm willing to pay that price.

00:48:09.640 I can be sitting at home on my butt in the couch right now just saying, hey, somebody else will do this.

00:48:17.700 But what I've done, and because God tapped me on the shoulder and said, Glenn, I want you to get involved.

00:48:22.400 I put every dime I have into something that's going to wake people up across the country, but also give them hope.

00:48:28.760 This is not a hopeless situation.

00:48:31.060 This is still the dadgum United States of America. 0.62

00:48:33.440 And we're tough.

00:48:34.480 We just kind of need to be slapped a little bit and woken up.

00:48:39.420 Nate, why don't you go ahead and lay out how you got involved with Glenn and got involved with the movie?

00:48:45.400 Sure.

00:48:46.140 So Glenn actually—

00:48:47.700 Hold on your caps, ladies and gentlemen, because it's about to get crazy.

00:48:50.560 So Glenn—I have my own podcast now, The Raising Cane Show.

00:48:54.260 And so I had Glenn on the show to talk about his music video.

00:49:01.560 And, you know, after—like he said, after the interview, and it was a really good interview, we talked and just were sharing our stories.

00:49:09.580 And so I shared with him about what happened to me.

00:49:12.000 And I think it was like maybe a day or two later, he calls me up and he goes, hey, do you want to be in my documentary?

00:49:17.300 He says, I think your story needs to be heard.

00:49:19.400 And so I agreed.

00:49:23.440 And I think you guys probably would have expected, you know—

00:49:27.280 Ten minutes.

00:49:27.820 Ten minutes or whatever.

00:49:29.140 I mean, I really—

00:49:29.700 Turned in like an hour, two-hour interview.

00:49:31.980 And of course, you know, they had to edit it and all of that.

00:49:34.600 But it—my story is one that I think a lot of people probably haven't heard.

00:49:39.700 And a lot of that is because of what I was just talking about, is that after you go through a traumatic experience, kind of the last thing you want to do is extend it.

00:49:51.300 You want to get back to your life.

00:49:52.720 You want to get back to some semblance of normality.

00:49:55.120 And in my case, what happened was I've worked basically for the government either through—I was a soldier, and then I ended up going to work for the Defense Department as both a contractor and as a government employee for most of my career.

00:50:12.980 And I was actually working for Marfor Cyber, which is the—they basically—we were doing hacking, essentially, going after hackers, hacking our national critical infrastructure.

00:50:25.100 And I had some great training at the NSA, had been read on to things like FISA and, you know, all these intelligence authorities and everything.

00:50:32.540 And it was like, you know, kind of a really exciting time in my career.

00:50:36.520 And then I got an offer I just couldn't refuse.

00:50:39.460 The FBI, a contractor, called me and they said, hey, we want somebody with your skills, and we've had a hard time filling this position.

00:50:49.000 You know, would you please consider interviewing?

00:50:51.140 And then they offered me a number.

00:50:52.520 I was like, whoa, it's twice my salary.

00:50:54.720 It's like, how do you turn that down?

00:50:56.440 So I left a job that I really loved to go work for the FBI.

00:51:00.480 And I was excited.

00:51:01.960 The day I showed up for my fingerprinting at the FBI, man, I was so excited because I was like, this is the pinnacle of my career.

00:51:07.460 I was making more money than I'd ever made.

00:51:10.400 You know, I had total respect for the FBI.

00:51:13.180 I've got members of my own family that are in law enforcement, and I've always had a respect for law.

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00:51:48.800 Hey, Ma. 1.00

00:51:49.700 Yeah?

00:51:50.120 Remember that cottage we used to go to every summer?

00:51:52.480 Yes.

00:51:53.180 Oh, so many memories.

00:51:55.380 I think about it all the time.

00:51:56.980 Yeah.

00:51:57.200 I wish it was still ours.

00:51:59.500 Well, you don't have to wish anymore.

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00:52:18.740 Enforcement, I've always looked at the FBI as like, you know, they are the premier law enforcement agency of the U.S.

00:52:26.080 And what I discovered after I started working there was that it was completely politicized.

00:52:33.980 It was just, it was very woke.

00:52:37.560 There were, and then of course, right here was this?

00:52:41.000 This was 2016, 2017.

00:52:43.480 Okay, yeah.

00:52:44.060 So, you know, right around 2017, I started seeing things that were, you know, that was when you started seeing the FBI was investigating everything,

00:52:53.920 or sorry, the Congress was investigating everything from Uranium One to Benghazi to the Hillary Clinton email server.

00:53:01.040 All these things and these scandals started, you know, happening.

00:53:04.940 And one day I walk into the office, and I worked in Washington, D.C., not at the J. Edgar Hoover Building, at a non-disclosed location where the information assurance division was.

00:53:16.600 And my job was, I was hired to, as a subject matter expert in cybersecurity, to architect and implement and deploy a new vulnerability management system that would be across the FBI enterprise-wide.

00:53:30.380 All their, you know, their field offices and satellite divisions and everything.

00:53:35.600 So it was a pretty huge, you know, contract.

00:53:38.560 And, but I come in one day, and my government supervisor is having a, you know, kind of a hushed conversation with one of my colleagues.

00:53:48.760 And so, you know, we were all, you know, I had a good relationship.

00:53:51.580 I walk over, I'm like, hey, what's going on?

00:53:53.460 And he tells me that he's seen these transcripts, or that he had heard about these transcripts that somebody had seen,

00:54:01.500 where we had an internal system within the FBI where, you know, any communications, it's kind of like Zoom, you know, but it's all on the classified side.

00:54:09.760 And the FBI has the most advanced document retention system I've ever seen, including when you have those conversations, it records it and then transcribes it and then dumps those transcripts.

00:54:24.320 Well, apparently somebody had seen those transcripts of a conversation from the folks on the seventh floor.

00:54:29.380 That's where all the leadership of the FBI is.

00:54:32.440 And they were talking about the investigation into Hillary.

00:54:35.720 And what they saw, or what the words that were, you know, all throughout this thing were words like treason.

00:54:43.520 They were saying things like, this is too big.

00:54:46.080 It was so big that it could, you know, bring down the government.

00:54:49.100 They were talking about things like that they were going to basically shut down their investigation because they were concerned.

00:54:56.520 They thought for sure she was going to be president. 0.96

00:54:58.620 I mean, this is what everybody believed.

00:55:00.100 And they thought there was going to be retribution.

00:55:01.780 So they decided to cover up these crimes by essentially making these investigations go away.

00:55:08.420 So when I hear this, I've taken that oath.

00:55:12.280 I've taken that oath as a soldier.

00:55:14.460 I took that oath as a Navy civilian and as a Marine civilian.

00:55:19.360 I can't ignore that.

00:55:21.500 And because I do believe, I've got a firm belief that someday I'm going to stand before my maker and he's going to, you know, he's going to ask me about these things.

00:55:28.800 And that it's not just when we do evil things, that that alone is not evil.

00:55:37.600 You know, along with that is when we know that we can do good and we don't do good, that's just as bad.

00:55:45.020 And so I had to pray long and hard about it because I knew this was going to be a career killer for me.

00:55:50.940 You know, I knew that this was going to end my career, potentially cause me, you know, harm to my freedom, possibly cause harm to my health, and certainly, you know, cause emotional distress probably for my family.

00:56:05.520 But I prayed long and hard about it, and I did go and I searched.

00:56:09.200 You know, I had access, so I went and I searched into their databases, and I looked for if there was any truth to these things that were being said.

00:56:16.340 And I didn't discover those transcripts because by the time that I worked up the courage to look for it, those had probably already been compartmentalized.

00:56:24.320 But what I found was I found a ton of evidentiary documents, including suspicious activity reports and things like that, where the FBI had been investigating with three different field offices.

00:56:37.140 You had Little Rock, Arkansas, New York City field office, and the Washington field office had three separate investigations that were opened into Hillary Clinton. 0.85

00:56:46.860 They had a ton of these documents that had basically showed the entire money trail.

00:56:52.440 And you had four crimes that were listed on these documents that, you know, basically that they had identified.

00:56:58.720 Money laundering, public corruption, securities and exchange fraud, and terrorism financing.

00:57:03.540 So these are what are listed.

00:57:06.260 These are what she was being investigated for.

00:57:08.440 And they had evidence, and they had analyst notes in these documents that said a high probability of those crimes.

00:57:15.300 So I'm thinking, when I first see this, these have case numbers.

00:57:18.140 I'm going, oh, they're not covering this up.

00:57:21.500 She's going to get indicted. 1.00

00:57:23.700 And then you'll remember—so at first I just kind of—I made copies of these documents on my computer, and it's on the classified side.

00:57:34.540 And—but I just kind of decided not to do anything.

00:57:37.580 I was just going to wait and see.

00:57:39.080 And then you'll remember Comey comes out in front of the J. Edgar Hoover building, and he calls for a press conference.

00:57:46.660 And then he's talking about the email server.

00:57:49.900 And he's saying, oh, yes, you know, we investigated.

00:57:53.780 Now we found thousands of, you know, classified documents on these email server, even after she, you know, bleach-bitted, you know, was it 30,000 emails or whatever it was?

00:58:03.900 Yeah, 33,000, I think that number.

00:58:05.500 So, which that in and of itself is a crime.

00:58:08.540 I mean, listen, I've had subpoenas come to me for documents in 27 years working for the government.

00:58:15.760 There have been some times where I had gotten an email, you know, from, you know, from the security saying, hey, don't delete anything in your email because we have a, you know, a leak or a spill or something like that, and we need to come examine it.

00:58:31.860 So I, you know, threat of going to jail, absolutely, I'm not going to do anything.

00:58:36.340 But, yeah, she had things deleted.

00:58:39.740 And then, but even still, they still found thousands of classified emails.

00:58:44.720 And he goes up, and this really caught my attention.

00:58:48.160 He said, and we found seven email chains that had special access programs.

00:58:54.800 Now, most people have no idea what that even means.

00:58:57.460 That's above top secret, okay?

00:58:59.500 Top secret is the highest clearance, but then you have what they have called compartmentalization.

00:59:03.300 In my career, I've only maybe a couple times been read on to, you know, SAPs, and SAPs are no joke.

00:59:11.980 Like, when you go to review these documents that are in a folder with a cover sheet, I don't get to handle these until I'm in a secured space.

00:59:22.280 Now, I worked in a SCIF, but even in the SCIF, where everybody in there has a top secret clearance, I can't have these at my desk.

00:59:29.720 All right, because they don't want somebody walking by and shoulder surfing and seeing what's in there because they don't have a need to know.

00:59:36.220 So, in that case, what happens is you go to your security officer.

00:59:39.900 They, first of all, check to see if you're on the list.

00:59:42.560 Then they, you know, they do the combination, open up the safe, pull out that document, sign it out, hand carry it with you to a safe room where you can review these documents.

00:59:52.160 And then they take them back.

00:59:54.080 And so, you're never, you're basically, the only time you're ever alone with these documents is when you're sitting in this, like, little secured area.

01:00:00.780 And so, the fact that there were seven of those, seven email chains with these saps on them in her personal private, private email server in her home, there's no way you even get those out of a SCIF and out of the hands of the, you know, security manager without knowingly violating the law.

01:00:20.360 So, you're saying this was, this was part of the 33,000 emails that were deleted off her Gmail?

01:00:24.180 No.

01:00:24.580 Like her Gmail, right?

01:00:25.660 No, no, no.

01:00:25.680 These ones were found.

01:00:27.620 So, who knows how many were in the deleted ones?

01:00:30.540 Thousands and thousands.

01:00:31.500 There could be.

01:00:32.160 We don't know.

01:00:32.900 But, but this was on her personal email.

01:00:35.740 Her personal.

01:00:36.200 Like a Gmail.

01:00:37.300 No, no, no, no.

01:00:38.120 This was a personal server that was being used to basically get around FOIA.

01:00:43.220 It was located in New Jersey.

01:00:44.840 Yeah, no, Chappaquiddick.

01:00:47.200 Chappaquiddick, okay.

01:00:47.940 In her, in the basement bathroom of her home.

01:00:50.440 Yes.

01:00:50.820 So, she was stealing documents. 0.99

01:00:53.240 So, we call that, in the government, we call, we call that espionage.

01:00:57.480 Right.

01:00:57.660 The legal definition of espionage, it fits.

01:01:00.540 Remind, you know, and I'll remind you, at that time, there was a naval, I think it was

01:01:07.260 a submariner.

01:01:08.180 Yep.

01:01:08.460 Who had been thrown in jail for doing nothing more than taking a picture of his hot rack.

01:01:13.380 Yep.

01:01:13.680 Okay, a hot rack's basically like a, it's like a cot, you know?

01:01:16.500 Yeah.

01:01:17.100 Yeah.

01:01:17.280 It's, it's, it's, uh, anything on, anything on the subs considered class, yeah.

01:01:21.560 It's considered CSSEI, and, and so.

01:01:23.060 So, yeah, this guy, though, got thrown in jail for something that really wasn't a national

01:01:26.900 security threat.

01:01:27.760 But, but yet, Hillary Clinton has saps on her server. 1.00

01:01:32.100 Yeah.

01:01:32.540 And the only reason she has that server, because here's the thing, so, in the government, everything

01:01:37.220 has to be done on government computers.

01:01:40.600 The reason is because of the Freedom of Information Act.

01:01:43.760 They do not want some secret deals going on that cannot be verified at some point in time

01:01:50.260 later.

01:01:51.140 Yeah.

01:01:51.160 And so, the only reason that she had that server was to get around.

01:01:54.420 For sure.

01:01:54.940 You know, that, that's my presumption, but that, that is what.

01:01:57.820 So, even the existence of it.

01:01:59.400 Absolutely.

01:01:59.880 Was nefarious.

01:02:01.400 Absolutely.

01:02:01.820 For sure.

01:02:02.140 Yeah.

01:02:02.380 Now, now, so, so this, this is all going down.

01:02:06.860 You, you have Comey admit in that interview that there were, there was evidence that you

01:02:13.260 had foreign adversaries that had accessed that server.

01:02:17.580 So, I'm talking to my buddies, you know, from, you know, from my days working at NSA, and

01:02:23.440 I'm like, hey, man, have you seen this?

01:02:25.620 This certainly looks like to me, and we all had the same thought, it's a Dropbox.

01:02:31.100 You put some documents there, foreign enemies, hack into it, get those documents, and now you

01:02:36.500 can claim, oh, I didn't, you know, I didn't know they were going to do that.

01:02:39.880 By hack, you mean sign into it.

01:02:41.340 Right.

01:02:42.240 Right.

01:02:43.260 So, so we were, we, I saw this, and when the moment I saw that, I knew at that moment

01:02:48.660 that everything that I had heard was true.

01:02:50.760 They were going to cover this up, because the next words out of his mouth are, but no

01:02:56.620 reasonable prosecutor would bring a case against somebody for this.

01:02:59.740 She was just unsophisticated.

01:03:01.140 And I'm like, are you kidding me?

01:03:03.700 She was the Secretary of State.

01:03:05.760 Yeah.

01:03:05.860 That means that she was at least, at minimum, a derivative classifier, which means she went 0.90

01:03:09.860 through all the training she had signed, all of the, you know, non-disclosure agreements

01:03:14.960 and everything.

01:03:15.500 She knew damn well what she was doing.

01:03:17.940 Yep. 0.95

01:03:18.240 100%. 0.90

01:03:18.640 So, so at this point, you know, now I'm kind of like, crap, what the hell am I going to 0.90

01:03:26.080 do? 0.72

01:03:26.700 And so I ended up, ended up having to blow the whistle.

01:03:30.140 And I remember the night I came home and I told my wife, and we were living in Maryland,

01:03:34.160 Union Bridge at the time.

01:03:35.520 And I come home and I was not my normal talkative self.

01:03:39.840 And my wife, and we're laying in bed and she goes, what's up with you?

01:03:44.140 You're, you know, you're not talking.

01:03:45.440 You're not saying anything.

01:03:46.720 Something's up.

01:03:47.220 I can tell.

01:03:47.860 And I, and I just said, I think I got to blow the whistle on the FBI.

01:03:51.860 And she sits up and goes, what? 0.99

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01:04:24.600 Hey, Ma. 1.00

01:04:25.680 Yeah?

01:04:26.080 Remember that cottage we used to go to every summer?

01:04:28.320 Yes.

01:04:28.840 Oh, so many memories.

01:04:31.380 I think about it all the time.

01:04:32.960 Yeah.

01:04:33.340 I wish it was still ours.

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01:04:55.120 And then her next question was, why does it have to be you?

01:04:58.620 Why can't somebody else do it?

01:04:59.900 You're just a contractor.

01:05:01.220 That's a fair question.

01:05:02.400 It is.

01:05:03.240 And I told her, I said, if not me, then who's going to do it?

01:05:07.000 I mean, clearly, I'm not the only person that's seen this, but nobody, as far as I know, is willing to do that.

01:05:11.600 I mean, these guys that work there at the Bureau that are government employees, they've probably got pensions, families, you know.

01:05:16.460 My question is, why would they have the backroom conversations in a place where it's being recorded?

01:05:24.100 I don't know.

01:05:25.860 Well, it's, well, because, okay.

01:05:27.560 Well, because it was classified and maybe they thought they could just compartmentalize it, but somebody saw those transcripts and then, you know, basically.

01:05:38.080 Well, if it's on record, Nate, won't somebody see it eventually?

01:05:41.820 Well, I mean, apparently that hasn't really mattered because now here we are almost a decade later, you know, and nobody's actually been, never mind been charged, but, I mean, never mind gone to jail or anything, but nobody's even been charged.

01:05:56.600 Yeah.

01:05:56.680 There's been no, you know, there's been nothing from the DOJ, even Donald Trump, who, you know, was the famous for lock her up, lock her up, you know, even his DOJ did nothing.

01:06:09.080 I mean, it's possible.

01:06:09.760 Well, he never had any control.

01:06:11.300 No, no.

01:06:11.940 And that was one of the things that really upsets me is when I hear these people say, oh, the FBI is supposed to be an independent agency. 0.96

01:06:20.900 Bullcrap.

01:06:21.400 That's not what the Constitution says. 0.97

01:06:22.900 The president.

01:06:24.160 Well, the FBI is not in the Constitution, but.

01:06:25.720 No, but he is the senior executive for all of the executive branch, and there is nothing that is supposed to be out of his purview.

01:06:35.020 He is, the buck stops with him.

01:06:36.840 So that is a fallacy that gets pushed, is that the FBI should be independent.

01:06:41.940 No, we have a process of holding the president accountable.

01:06:45.000 It's called impeachment.

01:06:46.220 But really, everything else is supposed to be accountable to him.

01:06:49.660 Yeah.

01:06:49.980 But back to the story, what happened after that was I ended up not knowing how to get this stuff out of there.

01:06:58.580 Because basically, as I started reviewing these documents, the names that are on a lot of these documents, people that knew about it, that were in the know, so they had to have been involved in somehow in the cover-up.

01:07:08.340 There were James Comey, you had Rod Rosenstein, who's the deputy attorney general, because he was the U.S. attorney at the time of Uranium One, and a lot of the documents were about that and what happened with that.

01:07:22.920 Uranium One was a Canadian mining company that basically was given permission by the CFIUS committee, who Hillary Clinton was the chair of, to purchase—or sorry, to be purchased by a Russian energy company called Rosatom.

01:07:40.560 Now, the problem is, is the FBI knew before that decision was made that Rosatom was basically an agent of the Russian government.

01:07:51.280 They had all of the evidence, they had an intelligence report that basically showed this, and it was from, you know, like 2009 or something like that.

01:08:01.100 And it showed that they were involved in a bribery and kickback scheme trying to infiltrate our uranium supply chain.

01:08:08.020 So they know this before they allow for this sell to happen.

01:08:11.940 And the FBI director at the time that that went on, Robert Mueller, who was the deputy at that time, James Comey.

01:08:21.260 So basically, you're talking like a huge, huge scandal here.

01:08:26.500 And so I end up—I can't go through my normal chain of command to blow the whistle.

01:08:32.140 I couldn't go through the ICIG either because Michael Atkinson, who's the intelligence community inspector general at the time, at the time of the Uranium One thing, he's the guy who's the head of the public corruption unit for the FBI, which means he's in the know.

01:08:48.280 So—

01:08:48.780 At the time—I know, this is like 2016, you said.

01:08:51.440 Do you feel—did you feel like the—that there was the option of going to the press at all?

01:08:56.020 No.

01:08:57.220 No, never.

01:08:58.340 And I'll tell you why.

01:09:00.140 Remember, you'd already seen Manning.

01:09:03.920 You'd already seen what had happened—

01:09:06.820 Snowden.

01:09:07.140 Julian Assange, and, you know, you'd already seen Snowden.

01:09:10.580 You already had plenty of evidence that you leaked something to the press, you're going to jail, or you're going to have to leave your country and flee.

01:09:16.840 You know, it's not an option.

01:09:18.600 So there's no way in hell I'm going to jeopardize, you know, myself in that way.

01:09:22.900 And so I just—but I knew the one option that I had, and I went and I looked at the federal law, and I'm like, okay, well, who can I go through if I don't go through this normal whistleblower process?

01:09:32.740 Well, there was a law in the books that said that anybody who is a senior staffer to either the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence or the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence,

01:09:43.640 they could take classified information from anyone without any question, and I had a courier card, meaning I could carry classified documents out of the FBI anywhere so long as I was authorized.

01:09:56.220 So what I did in a roundabout way to kind of protect myself was I reached out through a secondary person to get to Devin Nunez and reached out to his office.

01:10:07.940 We set up a meet, clandestine meeting, and his senior staffer, George Pappas—now, interestingly enough, at the time, Devin Nunez had two senior staffers.

01:10:18.380 One was George Pappas.

01:10:19.740 The other was Cash Patel.

01:10:22.140 Oh, okay.

01:10:22.520 So the likelihood that Cash has seen these documents is very high, and so I hope something good will come out of this eventually.

01:10:30.580 But I ended up meeting with George Pappas.

01:10:34.840 We went and picked him up, drove around the Capitol for about three hours while I debriefed him.

01:10:40.940 I had everything on a thumb drive, and I handed it over to him.

01:10:44.740 And then he says to me, look, do you have anything more on—because most of what I had was suspicious activity reports that had been analyzed.

01:10:54.340 And he goes, do you have anything more specifically about Uranium-1?

01:10:57.980 We're investigating this, and we're getting stonewalled by the FBI.

01:11:01.060 And I said, no.

01:11:02.820 And he says, there's rumors that there is an intelligence report that would give the dates and times of what the FBI knew and when they knew it.

01:11:11.540 Would you be willing to go back in and get that information for us? 0.94

01:11:15.080 And I'm like, oh, crap. 0.98

01:11:16.880 Are you serious? 0.99

01:11:17.540 So I agree.

01:11:20.900 He gives me these, you know, basically an encrypted app to contact him through chat, and we tested how it works.

01:11:28.640 And so my last day at the FBI, because, I mean, it took everything, you know, to work up the courage to do it.

01:11:33.680 I put it all on a thumb drive along with everything I had put on there before, and I carry it out, and I try contacting him. 0.96

01:11:41.900 I got to ask you, though, my redneck mind just kind of goes, did your butthole get all puckered up during that time? 1.00

01:11:47.900 I mean, were you just like— 0.99

01:11:48.560 The whole time, brother.

01:11:50.080 I was probably sweating.

01:11:51.780 When I walked out of the bureau, I knew I could get stopped.

01:11:55.480 No, you walked out in physical possession of a—

01:11:58.220 Physical possession of classified information.

01:11:59.460 And now this was technically illegal then, right?

01:12:02.380 No.

01:12:02.860 Or because your courier card—

01:12:04.320 So whistleblowing makes it legal, and I had a courier card.

01:12:07.980 Makes it legal.

01:12:09.340 But—

01:12:09.940 Whistleblowing makes it legal, but you got a reality winner or Snowden or—

01:12:15.500 Well, here's the problem.

01:12:17.260 If I get—because I didn't go through—originally, I didn't go through the ICWPA or the WPA, right?

01:12:23.580 It puts me in the precarious situation that if HIPSI doesn't back up my story, I am screwed.

01:12:31.900 I got nothing in writing showing anything at this point.

01:12:35.780 But, you know, I've been asked.

01:12:38.280 So technically, I was under the agency of the HIPSI at this point, okay?

01:12:42.180 Because they can provide you some protections.

01:12:46.320 But now I've been—you know, I get out and I've been cut off.

01:12:49.240 So now what do I do?

01:12:50.120 I got this classified thumb drive.

01:12:51.460 I'm no longer at the FBI.

01:12:52.520 I turned in my badge.

01:12:53.960 I did hold on to my courier card. 0.92

01:12:56.000 But the problem is, is now I'm screwed.

01:12:59.780 Because I can't destroy this evidence.

01:13:02.160 You know, it needs to be seen by the oversight committee.

01:13:05.980 So I reach out to a lawyer.

01:13:09.260 Actually, you know, the same friend that kind of connected me.

01:13:11.400 I said, hey, I need you to find me a lawyer, and I need a lawyer like yesterday.

01:13:15.360 And so I meet with this attorney, and I'm paranoid at this point.

01:13:18.740 I'm like, I don't want to meet anywhere except in a public place, but where we still have a private conversation.

01:13:24.640 And so he said, all right, how about my church?

01:13:26.380 I'm like, all right, that works.

01:13:27.660 So we meet at St. Michael's Church, and he basically tells me, yeah, you're basically in the same situation as Snowden, except you haven't left the country.

01:13:42.100 And I think at that point my face turned white, you know, and I realized, oh, man, I am in some serious trouble here.

01:13:48.760 And then he asks me, he goes, are you independently wealthy?

01:13:53.460 I go, no.

01:13:54.980 I go, why are you asking?

01:13:56.120 He goes, well, do you have any rich relatives?

01:13:57.280 I'm like, no.

01:13:58.480 And he goes, because I'm expensive.

01:14:00.620 And I'm like, you can't do this pro bono?

01:14:02.240 And he laughs at me.

01:14:03.200 He goes, you're going up against Hillary Clinton and her cronies, the FBI senior leadership and Russian intelligence agents.

01:14:10.080 No, that's way too much liability.

01:14:12.220 So my law partner would throw me out of the office. 0.85

01:14:15.040 And by the way, I'm not suicidal.

01:14:16.480 Yeah, yeah, right.

01:14:18.360 Trust me, I'm not going to hang myself.

01:14:20.000 You did have information that could lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.

01:14:23.800 Right.

01:14:24.500 And so...

01:14:25.700 Not only could have, should have.

01:14:27.360 Should have.

01:14:28.260 Yeah.

01:14:28.620 And so I end up, he asks me all this, and I basically say no.

01:14:32.800 And he says, well, you know, I'll make a couple phone calls and see if maybe I can find some rich uncles to sponsor you or something.

01:14:41.100 But he goes, I got to be honest with you, this is a, you're in a bad situation, and I can't take this on for free.

01:14:47.480 And I went home that night, and I wept.

01:14:49.360 I got with my wife.

01:14:50.360 I thought my life was over.

01:14:52.420 And we got on our knees, and we prayed and prayed and prayed.

01:14:56.540 And two days later, I get a phone call from this attorney, and he tells me, he says, I went down to Nashville to talk to a woman who's, you know, independently wealthy.

01:15:09.480 And she's, you know, she's an older woman. 0.93

01:15:12.960 She's got more money than she needs. 1.00

01:15:14.120 And I was hoping that she would, you know, maybe donate like $10,000 to kind of get a legal fund started for you. 1.00

01:15:20.760 And she asked him after, you know, he told me.

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01:15:54.480 Hey, Ma. 1.00

01:15:55.420 Yeah?

01:15:55.840 Remember that cottage we used to go to every summer?

01:15:58.140 Yes.

01:15:58.900 Oh, so many memories.

01:16:01.100 I think about it all the time.

01:16:02.700 Yeah.

01:16:03.060 I wish it was still ours.

01:16:05.220 Well, you don't have to wish anymore.

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01:16:24.300 The story, she asked him, you know, how much is this going to end up costing this kid?

01:16:29.620 He said, probably a couple hundred thousand dollars.

01:16:32.360 And she pulled out her checkbook and wrote a check for $200,000.

01:16:35.780 At the end of this, with, like, several different attorneys, it ended up costing $198,000.

01:16:43.280 That was God.

01:16:44.620 There's no way that that kind of thing just happens.

01:16:48.680 And so that was the first kind of miraculous thing that occurred.

01:16:53.540 And there were several other things that happened that were just amazing.

01:16:56.840 But the second thing that was kind of really powerful was about 10 years earlier, my wife

01:17:02.760 and I were living in Moreno Valley, California, and our church was doing this thing on learning

01:17:07.540 to hear God's voice and all of that.

01:17:09.260 And we were supposed to pray and fast and then write down what we hear.

01:17:14.780 And I had written down one thing.

01:17:16.960 Did you say written?

01:17:17.920 Yeah, I did.

01:17:18.660 That was country, boy.

01:17:19.580 I know.

01:17:20.040 I'm living in West Virginia too long.

01:17:21.360 It's okay.

01:17:21.900 Justin Timberlake at one time used the term bleated in a song.

01:17:25.420 I know it's not mine.

01:17:28.560 Yes, yes.

01:17:29.540 I use words like holler now too.

01:17:31.620 I'm just happy that I understood exactly what you were talking about.

01:17:35.280 Okay, so I wrote down, go to Sakaaris.

01:17:41.660 And so at the time, I got on MapQuest.

01:17:45.380 That's how long ago it was.

01:17:46.900 The worst website ever developed.

01:17:48.660 Absolutely.

01:17:49.280 Because it always took me the wrong way.

01:17:50.840 And there was no place in the country called Sakaaris.

01:17:55.420 And I remember, and my wife even remembered because she was arguing with me saying, well,

01:17:58.920 maybe you heard God wrong.

01:18:00.020 Maybe it's Socorro because there was like a place called Socorro, New Mexico.

01:18:03.400 And I'm like, no, I know what I heard.

01:18:04.840 I heard Sakaaris.

01:18:06.560 So I just kind of forgot about it.

01:18:08.280 I thought maybe, you know. 0.97

01:18:08.920 You weirdo. 0.89

01:18:09.640 I don't know. 0.94

01:18:09.880 Maybe I heard something wrong or maybe I ate some, you know, bad guacamole or whatever,

01:18:13.660 you know.

01:18:13.880 But I forget about it.

01:18:15.520 So remember, I didn't pick this lawyer.

01:18:17.520 Somebody else found him for me.

01:18:18.620 But I'm sitting in the car.

01:18:20.640 We're getting ready to walk into Joe DiGenova and Victoria Towsing's office because we needed

01:18:26.380 to get some legal counsel from a defense attorney.

01:18:30.000 And Victoria Towsing, she was interviewing, or she was not, she was defending the other

01:18:35.560 Uranium One whistleblower, I think guy named William Joseph Campbell, who was an FBI informant

01:18:42.320 that basically got left twisting in the wind with classified drives and everything, and

01:18:46.940 he wanted to go public with it.

01:18:48.160 So she's representing him.

01:18:50.000 So we went to go talk with her.

01:18:52.380 Before we went in, by the way, at this point, I probably had an ulcer.

01:18:55.840 I was so stressed out, so just nervous about everything because I'm thinking, man, any moment

01:18:59.960 I'm going to get whacked, you know, or I'm going to get arrested or something.

01:19:04.120 And we're getting ready to walk in.

01:19:05.780 And I said, Michael, I said, can you pray with me, please?

01:19:09.080 And he said, absolutely.

01:19:09.940 You know, I didn't know if he was a religious guy or not, but, you know, I knew he was at

01:19:13.660 least Catholic, he went to church.

01:19:15.120 And so he grabs me by the hand and he prays.

01:19:18.320 And the moment he says, amen, all of a sudden I have this flashback of that memory from 10

01:19:22.820 years earlier, and I realized his last name is Sicaris, Michael Sicaris.

01:19:28.140 It's wild.

01:19:28.720 And immediately, all of a sudden, I just had peace, I knew.

01:19:32.500 For 10 years, God had been leading me down this road, leading me down this path, put me

01:19:37.440 right where I needed to be, and I had nothing to fear.

01:19:41.080 And so, you know, from that point forward, he ended up working out an arrangement with

01:19:46.780 the Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who turned out to be a stand-up

01:19:53.680 guy.

01:19:54.600 I mean, this guy went to extraordinary means to, number one, allow me to maintain my anonymity,

01:20:00.280 ironically, or not ironically, it's funnily, my, my, there's another word there.

01:20:05.680 Funnily?

01:20:06.280 Funnily.

01:20:08.040 Could you write these down?

01:20:09.200 Yes.

01:20:09.760 Yeah, take it out.

01:20:10.480 Take it out.

01:20:10.560 My lawyer, he puts down, you know, on writing and everything, this agreement with the DOJ IG,

01:20:19.160 and he says, you know, my client will heretofore be called by such and such code name, and so

01:20:26.840 I'm reading this document, it says MC Pota, and I'm like, MC Pota?

01:20:31.480 You couldn't pick a cooler name than that?

01:20:33.900 I mean, dude, I'm only going to do this once in my life.

01:20:35.980 Top secret.

01:20:36.880 MC Pota.

01:20:38.100 Couldn't you pick, like, 008 or something, you know?

01:20:39.900 It's better than Deep Throat.

01:20:41.120 I guess you're right about that.

01:20:44.080 Considering the, you know, the context.

01:20:45.000 I think he did say, well, would you prefer Deep Throat?

01:20:47.220 And I'm like, no, no, no, no.

01:20:48.600 But it's hilarious because I go, man, this, this, what does this even mean?

01:20:54.240 And he goes, oh, you'll like it.

01:20:56.000 And so you got to understand the background of this guy.

01:20:58.600 So he comes to America at 14 after seeing his father put in a work camp by Castro.

01:21:06.580 So he hates communists.

01:21:09.000 And so he, he names, you know, he gives me the code name MC Pota, and I find out it means 1.00

01:21:14.460 making communists pay out the ass. 0.99

01:21:17.660 I mean. 1.00

01:21:18.420 I'm like, I love it, man.

01:21:20.000 I'm owning that.

01:21:21.040 Not bad.

01:21:21.420 That's a good one.

01:21:22.380 But yeah, so I mean, that, that's the story of how, you know, how I got through the whistleblowing.

01:21:27.480 And eventually I ended up getting these documents to him.

01:21:30.420 We had a clandestine meet at the St. John's Episcopal Church across from the White House.

01:21:37.880 I go in wearing a hoodie and sunglasses and, you know, and I, you know, I'm disguising

01:21:42.780 myself.

01:21:43.360 Full Unabomber gear.

01:21:44.580 Yes.

01:21:46.000 I mean, it was total sus.

01:21:47.820 You know, and I'm sitting there and we get in there and.

01:21:50.700 Sus.

01:21:51.400 Now he's got a whole different language.

01:21:53.260 I got, I do have.

01:21:54.180 Well, we understand that.

01:21:55.600 I do have Generation Xers.

01:21:56.680 You spent 20 years younger.

01:21:58.340 Millennials.

01:21:58.740 And I got both millennials and, and I was at a Gen Z in my, my, my kids.

01:22:04.700 So you really, you're speaking Gen Z redneck.

01:22:06.600 Sus is.

01:22:07.400 Yes.

01:22:07.700 Sus means suspicious.

01:22:08.980 So.

01:22:09.440 Oh, I know.

01:22:10.120 Okay.

01:22:10.600 I know.

01:22:12.340 So, so I'm sitting there and, and, and, and Michael and I, we, we get there early.

01:22:18.220 We get on our knees and pray.

01:22:19.940 And then he goes out, phone calls the IG because they could still rate us right there.

01:22:24.300 And he calls them, the IG honors it, sends his senior deputy to the church.

01:22:30.320 Michael walks them in.

01:22:31.760 I've been instructed to print out all these documents.

01:22:33.800 So I have about, you know, this thick, you know, double envelope written, you know, secret,

01:22:39.020 no foreign on the inside, all this jazz.

01:22:40.720 We asked him if he wanted the thumb drive.

01:22:42.240 He said no, because he said that I was able to maintain the thumb drive just in case the

01:22:47.780 intel committees did nothing.

01:22:49.180 I could take it to the judiciary committee.

01:22:50.740 So I had it in a safe and, um, but I, I had to.

01:22:54.820 Hold on to that classified information and keep it on your person.

01:22:57.740 Yeah.

01:22:58.280 Right.

01:22:58.600 I know.

01:22:58.740 I want it at all times.

01:22:59.960 I honestly, I wanted to get rid of it because I saw that stuff as long as you did.

01:23:04.480 It's like kryptonite, you know?

01:23:05.520 Yeah. 0.87

01:23:06.080 Um, all it could stand to do is get me killed.

01:23:08.300 So I, I end up, uh, I had everything printed out.

01:23:11.820 And so he, he walks him in, taps me on the shoulder and I didn't want him getting a recording

01:23:15.800 of my voice.

01:23:16.420 I didn't want him getting my fingerprints.

01:23:17.960 I didn't want him seeing, you know, or getting a picture of my face.

01:23:20.740 That's why I went to all the, you know, things with the disguises.

01:23:23.100 And so I, he taps me on the shoulder and I hand it over to him over my left shoulder and

01:23:28.000 he walks out, escorts him out.

01:23:29.660 And then we, we walk out and we leave.

01:23:32.620 And I think I'm done at this point.

01:23:34.940 We went through all these problems of having issues where first the, the, uh, Jeff Sessions

01:23:42.700 was the AG at the time.

01:23:43.940 And he had recused himself from all things, Russia and Hillary Clinton.

01:23:47.600 So he, he refuses to give it a credibility rating, even though by law he's required to.

01:23:53.300 So we're like 30 days in and he's already supposed to have done this within nine days.

01:23:57.300 And we're like, what the hell is going on?

01:23:59.480 And so the IG looks into it and he's like, you're not going to believe this, but he said,

01:24:03.240 I've never seen anything like it's unprecedented, but he's refusing to give it a credibility

01:24:06.300 rating.

01:24:07.420 So we're like, oh, great.

01:24:08.640 And he goes, uh, would you be willing to accept a credibility rating by me as the IG?

01:24:14.300 And we're like, yeah.

01:24:15.560 So he agrees to, you know, he goes and he's got to verify the serial numbers of the documents

01:24:20.760 and verify this is all legit.

01:24:22.120 None of this is made up.

01:24:23.500 Comes back, gives it a credibility rating.

01:24:26.140 Then he gives it a, um, uh, basically a, a rating of urgent concern, national security

01:24:32.760 matter of urgent concern and gives us authorization to take it to both Intel committees.

01:24:37.560 So we reach out to the Intel committees and the house, they get it.

01:24:40.900 And they're like, oh yeah, we got it.

01:24:42.040 This is very valuable to our investigations, blah, blah, blah.

01:24:44.820 Is he willing to testify?

01:24:46.460 So my lawyer looks at me and goes, well, are you?

01:24:48.860 And I'm like, hell no, I'm not going to testify because the moment I walk in there and the Democrats

01:24:54.020 see who I am, they're going to leak my name.

01:24:57.020 And then I'm going to be constantly having to grow eyes in the back of my head for the rest of

01:25:00.580 my life.

01:25:00.960 No way.

01:25:01.820 And I said, they don't need it.

01:25:02.960 It's already been very, Hey ma.

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01:26:03.800 Verified by the IG.

01:26:05.680 But they then tell us that they don't want to take the information if we don't, you know,

01:26:09.860 if I'm not willing to testify.

01:26:10.840 So we go back to the IG.

01:26:12.780 He goes, ask them if they'll take it if I deliver it.

01:26:15.860 So he clearly wants to see this get into their hands.

01:26:19.660 And so they say, yeah, we'll take it if he delivers it.

01:26:22.360 So he delivers it to both committees.

01:26:25.980 And then I think it was like four months later, the House changes hands.

01:26:31.900 Adam Schiff becomes the chairman.

01:26:33.760 He buries the entire investigation.

01:26:35.560 We found out like a year later that the Senate, even though they got it, that the liaison

01:26:42.140 got it, he shoved it in a file that never made it to the Senate Intel Committee.

01:26:47.340 And in the end, so like I said, four months later, Schiff takes over.

01:26:52.360 A month after that, I get raided by 16 FBI agents that show up at my house.

01:26:59.460 They end up, you know, and I don't have any beef with most of the guys that were there.

01:27:03.800 They were just doing their job and they were polite.

01:27:06.340 They knocked on the door.

01:27:07.160 They didn't, I got Mar-a-Lago'd.

01:27:09.060 I did not get, you know, they didn't kick in.

01:27:11.860 They didn't get Roger stoned.

01:27:13.080 I didn't get Roger stoned, okay?

01:27:15.360 And, but, but, you know, they knocked on my door.

01:27:18.840 I told them right at the door.

01:27:19.820 I said, hey, I'm a protected whistleblower.

01:27:22.700 But they come in anyways.

01:27:24.220 And so I believe at this point, I'm just cooperating with them because I got nothing to hide, you

01:27:27.720 know, nothing to hide.

01:27:28.800 So I'm talking to him.

01:27:29.960 This guy's interviewing me.

01:27:31.040 He's asking me all these questions.

01:27:32.120 You know, did you sell any of this information to, you know, you know, to foreign adversaries?

01:27:37.640 And I'm like, no, of course not.

01:27:39.020 I'm a whistleblower, man.

01:27:40.080 I, you know, contact the IG.

01:27:42.500 You can find out.

01:27:43.800 All this.

01:27:44.680 And then after he's asked me all these questions and grilled me, then he pulls out a search warrant. 0.98

01:27:52.140 And then I'm like, oh, crap. 0.96

01:27:54.660 All right. 0.97

01:27:55.280 Not there for fun.

01:27:55.760 We want you to take us over to your safe.

01:27:58.480 Do you have any guns?

01:27:59.240 Yes.

01:27:59.540 They're all in my safe.

01:28:00.380 Okay, we need to see him.

01:28:02.140 So they start taking, you know, then he tells me to hand him my guns.

01:28:04.740 Now, I'm looking at this like later now.

01:28:06.720 At the moment, I'm just obeying. 0.93

01:28:07.980 But he could have shot me dead, you know.

01:28:11.420 He's asking me to hand him my guns.

01:28:13.880 So I'm handing him my guns.

01:28:15.940 You know, they're writing all the serial numbers down on all my guns and everything.

01:28:18.860 Then, you know, they're going through my house.

01:28:20.800 They're detaining me essentially in one room for nine hours, nine hours.

01:28:27.680 They went through every room of my house.

01:28:30.060 They took all of my electronics.

01:28:33.120 And, you know, and at this point, I'm like, I think I need to call my lawyer.

01:28:37.600 So you're saying they wanted you to hand them your guns.

01:28:42.820 Yeah.

01:28:42.880 So you could have been holding it when they shot you and say, oh, he was aggressive.

01:28:48.680 Absolutely.

01:28:49.140 That is wild.

01:28:50.460 Yeah.

01:28:50.560 And in the moment, it's probably nerve-wracking.

01:28:52.620 Oh, my God.

01:28:52.840 So you're not thinking straight.

01:28:53.900 No, no, no.

01:28:54.960 And I mean, the only, you know, and then they threatened to shoot my son's dog because his dog was, you know, in his room.

01:29:04.160 And my son's got Asperger's, you know, he's got high-functioning autism.

01:29:09.000 He's freaking out.

01:29:10.720 My wife wasn't there, thank God. 0.96

01:29:12.480 Nobody else was there but my son and me.

01:29:15.640 And they end up eventually taking all my stuff.

01:29:20.740 And at that point, oh, and I call my lawyer.

01:29:23.820 My lawyer's like, don't say anything to him.

01:29:25.640 And I'm like, ah.

01:29:26.840 Too late.

01:29:27.380 And I already did.

01:29:28.240 And he's like pissed.

01:29:29.220 And he's like, what did I tell you if the FBI shop don't say nothing?

01:29:32.400 And I'm just like, ah, you know, sorry, man.

01:29:35.900 The assumption is that they're there to do something, you know, good work, that you're protected.

01:29:40.820 And so it does make sense as to why people do that.

01:29:45.100 But yeah, any time the government is at your door, don't talk to them unless you get a lawyer.

01:29:49.020 So the next thing that happens is, of course, we immediately get in touch with, you know, our defense attorney that we had spoken to ahead of time just in case this kind of thing happens.

01:30:00.380 And that, she ends up asking for the search warrant.

01:30:06.520 So I sent it over to her.

01:30:08.500 And she's like, where's the, you know, where's the Schedule B?

01:30:12.180 I'm like, what do you mean?

01:30:13.940 I've never seen a search warrant before.

01:30:15.740 So I have no idea if what they gave me is legit or not.

01:30:18.100 You want to go ahead and lay out what a Schedule B is?

01:30:19.420 Schedule B is what tells you what they're allowed to take.

01:30:22.920 And I'm like, they never gave me that.

01:30:26.300 You know, I only had the, you know, basically the front page of the, you know, thing.

01:30:29.920 So I think they did give me the Schedule A, which says where they can search, but it doesn't, the Schedule B is what says what they can take.

01:30:36.280 And I know why they did not give me the Schedule B, because they took things that were not on the list, like my wife's, you know, some of my wife's journals.

01:30:44.560 I mean, personal journals.

01:30:45.780 I haven't even looked at her journals.

01:30:47.980 And, but based on the things that they took, it was clear what they were trying to set up.

01:30:51.420 They were trying to set up, you know, this, that I'm like some anti-government, you know, you know, conspiracist that I'm, you know, selling secrets to, you know, enemies or something like that or whatever.

01:31:03.160 Did they take your copy of A Catcher in the Rye?

01:31:05.420 No, but they took my copy of a book about a government conspiracy that had been written by a guy, Bill Still.

01:31:16.380 And it was, he had written about a conspiracy by Nixon to overtake, you know, the government to basically, to plan a coup.

01:31:25.060 And his father had been involved in that case.

01:31:27.360 And so he had written a book about it and had signed it.

01:31:30.160 And I had it in my possession.

01:31:31.560 But they, that was the only book they took.

01:31:34.540 And so I knew at that point they had been surveilling me because my point of contact in getting me in touch with Devin Nunez was Bill Still.

01:31:41.540 So how long did this go on, though?

01:31:43.240 You said like 10 years?

01:31:44.920 No, no, no, no, no.

01:31:46.620 So they, they, it was like, like two or three years.

01:31:50.020 So I didn't, starting in 2016 and then.

01:31:54.040 2017.

01:31:54.520 Oh, that's right.

01:31:55.420 2017.

01:31:55.860 2017, October 31st was when I made my first disclosure to George Pappas.

01:32:01.760 Then.

01:32:01.860 So it was during the Trump administration?

01:32:04.040 Yes.

01:32:04.500 Okay.

01:32:04.880 Yeah.

01:32:05.160 There was no way I was going to do this under, you know, a Clinton administration.

01:32:08.700 Hell no.

01:32:09.380 Or even Obama.

01:32:10.340 But, but I, I, I end up, it took almost a year to get to the point of being able to get those documents into the hands of, of both the intel committees.

01:32:22.100 And then, you know, like I said, five months later, they're raiding me, but they had been, I hadn't seen the signals.

01:32:26.540 I already knew I was being surveilled because I had all of the.

01:32:29.560 And the raid was coming in 2018 then?

01:32:31.480 Yes.

01:32:31.880 Okay.

01:32:32.040 Yeah.

01:32:32.280 It came, gosh, November 14th, I think.

01:32:36.440 Okay.

01:32:36.940 And, but yeah, it, it, yeah, really screwed up Thanksgiving.

01:32:40.480 So does, so does Trump not know about this at the time?

01:32:43.500 No.

01:32:43.760 They're just not telling the right people.

01:32:45.880 No, he doesn't.

01:32:46.360 They're, they're, they're covering it up.

01:32:47.600 Trump had no, remember, Trump's under investigation.

01:32:50.520 Jeez.

01:32:50.980 You know, so, so they, they have no, they have no, he's staying out of the FBI because he's under investigation.

01:32:57.620 By all the people, by the way, that I'm ratting on, you know?

01:33:00.360 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:00.820 I mean, it's like, it's really a bad situation for me, but, but I, I end up, uh, this guy, uh, the, the lead FBI agent who's involved goes on his own personal, um, witch hunt, starts going and interviewing neighbors and friends and people, and not just interviewing them and asking them benign questions.

01:33:22.940 He's asking them questions that are kind of like painting this impression of who I am that he's not.

01:33:28.260 Sure, sure, leading questions.

01:33:28.920 Yeah, leading questions.

01:33:30.180 He's by himself.

01:33:31.900 So that breaks and violates FBI protocol.

01:33:34.620 You're supposed to always have two agents when they're interviewing somebody.

01:33:38.560 But he's there by himself.

01:33:39.880 He's asking, you know, he's asking, you know, leading questions.

01:33:43.540 Uh, the guy's destroying my reputation in the small community of Union Bridge, you know, where I'm at.

01:33:48.800 Um, he's, when he doesn't get any dirt on me, he then starts going after my kids.

01:33:54.460 Um, he goes, you know, they've been spying on me now, you know, at this point for who knows how long, I'm guessing probably two to three weeks before the raid, they, they probably had surveillance taps on me and everything.

01:34:05.680 But, and I had, do you have any sense of what kind of surveillance, uh, were they monitoring your, was it like wiretaps monitoring your, your emails and stuff or what do you think?

01:34:14.360 Like, all, I know, I know for a fact that they had access to all of my social media, even private messaging, uh, they had access to my phone, uh, they had access to, they were listening to my conversations.

01:34:25.760 Uh, the reason I know that, by the way, is my, my lawyer, the day before they raided, he calls me up and he's like, hey, um, you know, he starts off every conversation I ever have with him on the phone.

01:34:36.640 You know, uh, you know, this is a attorney-client privilege conversation, blah, blah, blah.

01:34:41.260 And he says it just in case anybody's listening, they don't care.

01:34:43.880 No.

01:34:44.700 So, but he says that, and then he says, he says, hey, we need to get that thumb drive out of your house and somewhere safe now that we're done, you know, doing all of this.

01:34:54.740 And he says, so let's talk tomorrow about where we can, you know, where we can do that.

01:35:00.020 Do you think that was the impetus?

01:35:01.340 Oh yeah.

01:35:01.660 Go then.

01:35:02.120 They raided me the next day.

01:35:04.060 So in the morning, like it was 9am the next morning.

01:35:07.540 And it started with two people show up and I knew it was FBI a moment they pulled in because they had that, you know, standard FBI haircut.

01:35:13.380 And walk, they get out of a white car, you know, and, and they, you know, sedan and they walk up to my door.

01:35:19.600 And so, you know, when I let him in, the moment he pulls out the search warrant, all of a sudden, you know, what, 14 more of them show up in my driveway.

01:35:31.320 So is it illegal at that point in your protected status and everything, is it illegal to, to surveil you or is it customary?

01:35:40.680 You know, they, here's the thing.

01:35:42.260 So in order to do all of that, um, so we know, we know that the FBI has been illegally using 702 to spy on people.

01:35:49.680 Yeah.

01:35:50.280 And, and, and, and that's illegal.

01:35:52.040 The courts have said so, but nobody, you know, there's no, no punishment for that.

01:35:56.840 So what do they care?

01:35:58.660 But the other thing that was really strange was the Daily Caller breaks the story because the, the New York Times gets a tip and somebody at the Daily Caller had a spy inside New York Times and they were going to write a hit piece on me the next day.

01:36:13.120 So he contacts my lawyer like midnight, like, Hey, I've got word that, you know, your client's going to have a hit piece written on them the next day.

01:36:20.620 And in, uh, New York Times, would you please, um, you know, consider, uh, you know, giving me an exclusive and we'll let you get your side of the story out.

01:36:29.540 So he reluctantly agrees and he gives them an interview.

01:36:33.440 Um, if you do a search for, uh, Dennis Nathan Cain whistleblower and, and you'll find it.

01:36:40.040 But, um, but yeah, so he ends up, he ends up basically giving this interview and then his story breaks, you know, nationwide, you know, international news even.

01:36:49.840 And, um, uh, but yeah, they, somebody leaked my name to the press and the Daily Caller then does a follow-up and they do, um, they, yeah, that's the article right there.

01:37:02.080 Uh, they do a follow-up where they actually do a FOIA request to the magistrate that signed off on the search warrant and get this, a Clinton appointed federal judge put a seal on an answer to a question that they had their lawyers look at and meticulously come up.

01:37:19.580 The lawyers had come up with one question that they would ask that they, they found that there was no justification for holding back information on.

01:37:26.500 And it was, it was, uh, was the judge notified that Dennis Nathan Cain was a protective whistleblower under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act?

01:37:36.180 And a Clinton appointed judge puts a seal on that answer, and then she seals her justification for putting a seal on that answer. 0.99

01:37:44.240 I mean, it doesn't get more corrupt than that.

01:37:46.040 Yeah.

01:37:46.240 And, and a long, you know, and it's a long story, but to, to just kind of wrap it up, they, this agent basically makes my life a living hell.

01:37:55.080 He, and this one agent, correct?

01:37:56.460 One agent.

01:37:56.960 Right.

01:37:57.240 He, he, of course, was, uh, spying on me, listening to, you know, he, he knows that my son is 18, uh, one of my sons is 18, and, you know, we're having that typical, you know, parental adult, you know, uh, uh, issues that are going on.

01:38:10.960 Of teenage angst.

01:38:11.680 Yes.

01:38:12.740 And, and, you know, and I had, uh, basically, you know, told my son, it's my way or the highway.

01:38:17.820 He chose the highway.

01:38:18.740 And so he moves out.

01:38:20.120 And so he goes after my son, tries to work that, okay, get, you know, tries to talk him into wearing a wire against me.

01:38:30.200 And the only reason I know is because my son and I have mended things and he told me, you know, what happened.

01:38:34.660 And while he's basically being, um, he's under a, a polygraph cause he's trying to get into NSA, he gets, you know, bamboozled by these guys coming in there.

01:38:45.420 And, uh, you know, this guy interrogating him.

01:38:48.880 Um, he ends up, you know, it's just, it was horrible what happened.

01:38:52.480 Uh, they pulled my, my daughter out of her class in high school.

01:38:55.800 You know, she's a senior, they pull her out and, uh, some, you know, some, uh, uh, uh, uh, investigator from the sheriff's department, local sheriff's department's asking her questions like, you know, is your dad ever, you know, touched you in your, you know, private places and all this stuff.

01:39:11.260 And, and, and, and we're like, what the heck is going on here?

01:39:14.640 So, so basically, uh, we finally tracked down what happened and, and they had said, oh yeah, we've already closed the case.

01:39:22.440 We talked to your daughter, sorry, you know, my wife's insistent on, no, I want to know who did this, where did this come from?

01:39:29.060 And, and they tell her, well, we can't say who, but all we can say is that there was a law enforcement tip.

01:39:34.220 So we know it came from this FBI.

01:39:35.780 Sure.

01:39:36.020 Yeah.

01:39:36.360 So they're trying to destroy my life.

01:39:38.040 And, and at this point, um, I finally get sick of it.

01:39:43.140 And, and the last thing that, that, that happened was, uh, my son, my, the one with autism, you know, he gets, uh, they come after him and, you know, and it doesn't matter.

01:39:52.440 And it doesn't end well. 0.93

01:39:54.580 And, um, and so I, at that point, I'm just like, you know, I'm done with this crap.

01:39:57.960 And so I contacted the Senate judiciary chairman's office, uh, which was Lindsey Graham at the time.

01:40:03.740 And I said, I need to come down with my lawyer, tell you guys what's going on.

01:40:07.580 Uh, I'm being harassed as a whistleblower.

01:40:10.740 I go down, uh, my lawyer's there.

01:40:13.460 We meet with his investigative counsel, tell him everything.

01:40:17.720 And he, he says, okay, two weeks later, the guy's no longer an FBI agent.

01:40:25.280 I don't know if he, they told him, Hey, you need to retire.

01:40:28.000 I don't really know if there was discipline or not, but he was not an FBI agent.

01:40:32.340 And, um, that I do have confirmed.

01:40:34.360 And so after this, I decided.

01:40:37.880 You don't know anything more about that, this particular agent at all?

01:40:40.340 I know his name and I won't say it, you know, cause I don't know what the legal ramifications are of that.

01:40:45.720 But, um, but, but yeah, the guy was clearly, you know, he was running his own op.

01:40:51.300 And what's interesting.

01:40:53.180 Do you think he was running his own op or somebody had him on an op?

01:40:55.860 I think somebody had him probably.

01:40:56.940 Yeah.

01:40:57.240 That would be weird to hold a personal vendetta.

01:40:59.660 Yeah.

01:40:59.960 No, but he was, he was doing things off.

01:41:01.600 He was doing things off.

01:41:02.340 I'm not so sure that it would be very weird considering the way that the justice department behaves nowadays.

01:41:06.000 He was, he was doing things off of, uh, off book without a doubt.

01:41:09.460 And because one of the people that he interrogated, um, called me and told me that like when he told this guy, you know, to basically leave his property.

01:41:18.440 And then as he's walking away and he goes, you know, why are you guys always trying to ruin, you know, people's lives?

01:41:23.740 And, and the guy turns around and goes, Oh, you just watched too much Fox news.

01:41:28.840 Just like, Whoa.

01:41:30.580 So you think he was a raging liberal that had a vendetta for you?

01:41:33.640 Or do you think there could have been somebody else?

01:41:35.140 Oh no.

01:41:35.580 On the strings.

01:41:36.500 They were effing with me.

01:41:37.900 And I, I talked to some, I saw friends and I talked to some people and I asked them, I said, Hey, what, you know, what's going on?

01:41:43.300 And I, I even, um, I got confirmed to me from somebody out of the, the, the Baltimore field office that the, that they lied on the search warrant in order to get, you know, the search warrant.

01:41:55.720 So they, they basically, you know, it was full blown lies and fabrication.

01:41:58.900 So, but, but it's like this world, you know, of the classified is, it's a dangerous world, right?

01:42:07.900 Because, you know, how do you, how do you even go public with something like that and not end up like Snowden or, or, you know, Julian Assange or, you know, Manning or it's just, it's, it's a very difficult problem because you have essentially, they can cloak anything, right?

01:42:24.420 By just classifying, and this is what, this is what Kash Patel has been talking about, is that they over classify things and they do that on purpose.

01:42:31.800 Yeah.

01:42:32.220 And so in the end, um, um, the, probably the, the scariest moment, you know, aside from the FBI showing up at my house was, uh, I ended up getting poisoned twice.

01:42:46.900 Um, I had the lug nuts on my car loosened right before we went on a long trip.

01:42:51.440 Um, I had surveillance drones, you know, landing in my backyard.

01:42:55.920 I mean, it was crazy.

01:42:58.040 Um, the one time I go down to my car and reach under my door handle and there's some sort of oily liquid under my door handle.

01:43:05.800 I didn't think anything at the time.

01:43:07.340 I just thought, oh, gross, I'm in an underground parking garage.

01:43:09.840 I'm thinking, you know, these sewer pipes or whatever are leaking on my car.

01:43:14.420 So I just wiped my hand on my pants.

01:43:15.960 I get in my car and I'm driving home from DC because at this point I had taken a job with, um, uh, with the defense contract and I'm working, you know, for the name.

01:43:25.920 You still had your clearance then?

01:43:26.960 Yeah.

01:43:27.340 My clearance never got suspended.

01:43:29.380 Um, I, I immediately reported, you know, my law enforcement interaction.

01:43:32.860 I hadn't done anything wrong.

01:43:34.460 Um, they never brought charges against me.

01:43:36.320 Yeah.

01:43:36.600 Um, and, and so, but I, so I still have my clearance.

01:43:39.420 So I, I ended up, uh, leaving, uh, for home, for work, from work.

01:43:44.800 And all of a sudden I had this like pain in the back of my head, like, like right at the base of my skull.

01:43:51.040 And I reached back there and it's like all swollen.

01:43:53.760 And I'm thinking, oh man, you know, I must've put my neck out or something like that.

01:43:56.920 So I called my chiropractor.

01:43:58.740 I'm like, Hey, can you guys squeeze me in?

01:44:00.000 They're usually pretty flexible.

01:44:01.460 So like, yeah, sure.

01:44:02.800 So I just drove straight there.

01:44:03.900 And by now I've got a massive headache.

01:44:05.960 I'm not feeling well.

01:44:06.700 I got like brain fog.

01:44:10.100 Um, the chiropractor goes, you know, I don't, I don't think this is your vertebrae.

01:44:14.300 It's like, you got some swollen glands back here.

01:44:15.820 You need to go see a doctor.

01:44:16.800 So I called my doctor's office because I hate going to the emergency room.

01:44:20.340 Cause it's like, you're going to be there for three hours.

01:44:22.380 Good luck if you're getting, so I called them.

01:44:24.020 I'm like, Hey, can you guys fit me in?

01:44:26.320 And they said, you know, we just had a cancellation.

01:44:27.980 If you can get over here in 10 minutes, we can see you.

01:44:29.720 So I get over there and she's by this time.

01:44:32.540 Now I'm having slurred speech.

01:44:34.340 I've got ataxia.

01:44:35.500 So they're doing this thing and one eyeball's moving.

01:44:37.880 The other's not, um, you know, I can't walk in a straight line.

01:44:41.200 So they think I'm having a stroke, you know?

01:44:43.500 So they're like, you need to go immediately to the emergency room.

01:44:46.260 So my wife is at this point has met me.

01:44:48.220 And so she drives me to the emergency room and they do an MRI, uh, you know, they did

01:44:54.640 a CAT scan and they did a, I think a EE or EKG.

01:44:58.400 And they said, we don't see anything.

01:45:00.720 So, you know, go home and I still have symptoms.

01:45:04.180 So, you know, go find a, you know, they refer me out to a neurologist.

01:45:08.020 So we find one of the top neurologists in Washington, DC.

01:45:11.560 Um, I go meet with this guy and the next day, uh, I think it was like maybe two days or

01:45:17.360 three days later.

01:45:18.180 Okay.

01:45:18.640 Um, so I meet with this guy and we have, um, he does MRIs, MRAs with and without contrast.

01:45:25.080 He does, uh, EEG, you know, everything, like every kind of test you can imagine.

01:45:29.880 And at the end of it all, he goes, you know, and this is six, I think six weeks later, I

01:45:34.860 still got symptoms.

01:45:36.160 And he's like, I, I, I got good news and bad news.

01:45:39.120 He goes, the bad news is I don't know what's causing this.

01:45:41.000 He goes, all, he says, all of your charts don't explain any of this.

01:45:47.200 He says, so the good news is, is you have pristine arteries.

01:45:53.120 There's no plaque in your arteries.

01:45:54.780 Your brain is in, you know, is pristine.

01:45:57.420 Everything looks great.

01:45:58.980 And, and I had been taking this, um, um, vasodilator for a while, uh, supplement.

01:46:05.400 And I'm pretty sure, you know, it's opening up my arteries and veins and stuff.

01:46:08.520 So, and I'd taken it about two hours before, uh, this contact.

01:46:13.900 And, and I don't realize until this moment that that's what happened.

01:46:17.140 Um, because he says to me, he goes, he goes, you know, I'm, I'm really, he says, if your

01:46:21.520 job was different, I might know what this was.

01:46:24.440 He said, I've only had one client that had charts just like yours, all of the symptoms.

01:46:28.620 And, and he goes, but your job doesn't make sense for this.

01:46:31.740 And I go, well, what did he do?

01:46:33.480 He says, well, he worked for an industrial chemical plant and he touched some chemicals

01:46:36.660 with his bare hands. 0.98

01:46:38.440 And I'm like, right then I'm like, oh crap. 0.96

01:46:40.880 I know what this is. 0.59

01:46:41.900 And the symptoms lasted that long after touching the, did you, did you clean off the, the thing

01:46:48.020 that you touched it?

01:46:48.800 No.

01:46:49.220 No.

01:46:49.780 So you, do you believe that you continue to touch this?

01:46:52.960 Well, it was, it was, it absorbed through my skin.

01:46:55.240 Sure.

01:46:55.380 Yeah.

01:46:55.520 But what I'm, what I'm saying is, is, so you, you touched it at one time, rubbed it

01:46:59.160 off on your pants or whatever, probably got more that absorbed through your clothing,

01:47:02.300 but as you continued to get in and out of your car, do you believe the residue that it's

01:47:07.280 why it persisted?

01:47:08.340 It's very possible.

01:47:09.420 Um, but it also could have just persisted because it could have been a long acting thing.

01:47:13.240 I don't know, but that's a, that's a good, good question.

01:47:15.760 I don't know.

01:47:16.120 Um, but prior to that, I had had another incident about two months before where I ended up, you

01:47:22.680 know, same type of situation, end up in the emergency room with heart attack, like symptoms.

01:47:27.360 And in that case, I had walked into my office and there was like a dust, you know, like

01:47:31.400 a very light film of dust on my desk.

01:47:34.040 And normally I left my, my door unlocked, but that day I come in and my door's locked.

01:47:39.740 And, uh, so I had to get the spare key to get, you know, to get in and I brush off my

01:47:44.320 desk and immediately start going into AFib.

01:47:47.360 Now, I think now, and at the time I didn't, again, I, I'm just thinking, man, I'm under

01:47:51.160 incredible stress.

01:47:51.980 You know, this must just be stress.

01:47:53.960 Sure.

01:47:54.380 Um, but now that I think back, I'm thinking that was probably, and I've talked to, of

01:47:58.480 course, a number of, you know, experts and the sort of thing.

01:48:01.220 In fact, I contacted the, um, Carlson Institute, which they do all the poison testing for the

01:48:06.260 FBI and sent the guy my charts and everything.

01:48:09.320 And he's like, look, uh, you were probably poisoned with some sort of neurotoxin.

01:48:13.320 Anthrax.

01:48:13.760 And then, and then the, no, more like a, some sort of, there's, there's a bioweapon.

01:48:18.280 Yeah.

01:48:18.700 They have like, they have 14 different chemicals that they know of that can cause those symptoms

01:48:23.300 just by touching them.

01:48:24.880 Um, but he also mentioned, uh, that the other incident that I had, you know, could have been

01:48:28.720 fentanyl, you know, could have been some sort of, you know, um, some sort of, uh, stimulant

01:48:34.240 or something like that.

01:48:35.520 Um, but, but yeah, I just, uh, so that happens.

01:48:39.540 And then about maybe three months later, you know, I'm, I'm back to normal.

01:48:43.980 I'm feeling good again.

01:48:45.520 And we have this trip that we're going down to take, you know, go down to Kentucky.

01:48:50.180 And of course, we're talking on the phone, you know, with people about it.

01:48:53.440 And so somebody knew, and I get, we get in my car and we're driving down there and my son,

01:48:58.420 he's like, dad, I hear a weird noise coming from the car.

01:49:01.920 So we, we pull off at a gas station and I walk around and every lug nut is all the way

01:49:08.180 at the end of the post, except for one, one lug nut is holding that, uh, that wheel on.

01:49:13.980 And, you know, we drove on a rear front, right, uh, passenger side.

01:49:18.840 So if you think about it, I'm doing 80 miles an hour on this control.

01:49:23.020 If it, yeah.

01:49:23.680 Yeah.

01:49:23.900 I mean, you know, it would have been devastating.

01:49:26.740 So after that, I'm like, all right, man, we're done.

01:49:29.500 We're moving.

01:49:30.440 We got to get the hell out of here.

01:49:31.400 Because I had somebody show up at my house and, uh, you know, YouTuber or whatever shows

01:49:35.880 up there and he's got filming me as I'm driving up my driveway, gets my license plate, you

01:49:41.220 know, he's, he's telling everybody where I live. 0.84

01:49:44.880 Um, you know, and he's talking about, you know, and making up bullshit that has, it's like

01:49:49.620 he's, he looked at my, my resume or something on LinkedIn and he's making all these assumptions 0.87

01:49:54.700 that just aren't true.

01:49:55.740 Do you have any information on that guy?

01:49:57.620 George Webb.

01:49:58.440 George Webb.

01:49:58.920 Okay.

01:49:59.420 Yeah.

01:50:00.180 And, and, uh, and I called him out on it, on a, on a show much later and that was an interesting

01:50:04.840 conversation.

01:50:05.440 But, but yeah, so, so I, it, I think it put me, put my life at risk.

01:50:10.740 And so I ended up, um, we ended up selling our house and we moved to West Virginia.

01:50:14.580 I wanted to live somewhere where I knew I was going to be able to protect myself and,

01:50:20.800 uh, and own guns.

01:50:22.280 Lots of them.

01:50:23.460 Yeah.

01:50:23.760 So I don't blame you.

01:50:25.180 So, uh, that's why, that's what initially drove us here.

01:50:27.360 And we ended up moving in, um, by just pure happenstance.

01:50:30.640 We, we sold our house and we ended up in a hotel for about three weeks while our house

01:50:34.660 was, you know, taking time to close.

01:50:37.060 And, uh, we ended up moving in, uh, the day after the election on 2020.

01:50:41.180 So, you know, it was like, couldn't have gotten out of Maryland at, at a better time.

01:50:47.080 And that ladies and gentlemen is why Nate Kane is a pissed off American soldier.

01:50:50.460 Yes.

01:50:51.620 Yes.

01:50:53.060 Absolutely.

01:50:54.980 Tyler, what is, uh, how did you, uh, you know, these two stories are, are, um, dramatically

01:51:02.800 different.

01:51:03.280 Uh, the, the kind of line in, in, in through them is that they're, they're both, you know,

01:51:08.980 former military, former government, uh, involved with the government.

01:51:12.020 Yeah.

01:51:12.260 How did you kind of to, uh, link these stories together as a filmmaker and also, um, like

01:51:19.300 what are some of the other people that are involved that you kind of brought, that you

01:51:23.980 brought into the fold to, to kind of actually create the story for the whole movie?

01:51:29.700 Yeah.

01:51:30.140 I think that that was one of the hardest things was like, what story do we tell?

01:51:33.780 So we had, um, we had Glenn's story, which was obviously, you know, corruption at a more

01:51:40.260 local level.

01:51:41.340 And then we had several other people.

01:51:42.980 I mean, there's a, there's a ton of people in the documentary and you did what about 20,

01:51:48.160 25 minutes, something like that.

01:51:49.380 Maybe.

01:51:49.500 Yeah.

01:51:49.920 But I mean, uh, interviews.

01:51:52.060 Oh my gosh.

01:51:52.840 We've got 23, 24 hours of interviews.

01:51:55.680 Yeah.

01:51:56.340 Hours and hours of interviews.

01:51:57.500 So in the movie, the people that made it into the movie are like Ivan Raiklin, who

01:52:02.220 was, uh, somebody that was going to be here, but he's, uh, doing something else today.

01:52:06.980 But, uh, there's probably 10 different people in the film that we actually interview and

01:52:12.840 that are in there.

01:52:13.780 And, you know, Nate is just, uh, maybe a 10 minute part of it because his story obviously

01:52:19.920 takes, you know, 12 hours to tell, however, um, and that's just part of it.

01:52:28.260 We didn't even get to the deep stuff.

01:52:29.560 I know.

01:52:30.280 So, and, uh, but so anyway, there was a lot of stories to weave.

01:52:33.660 So really what I had to do was go through all the footage and figure out like, okay,

01:52:39.200 what is the through line that actually kind of ties all these people together?

01:52:43.200 And there was many, um, but the ones we decided to talk about in the movie, uh, finish this

01:52:50.380 fight, Diary of a Pissed Off American Soldier, uh, is DOJ corruption, which obviously there's

01:52:57.840 the, both of them have that, uh, in, in their lives and their stories.

01:53:02.200 Um, and then we also talked about, uh, well, are you familiar with Craig Sawyer?

01:53:08.980 I'm not.

01:53:09.440 Craig Sawman Sawyer.

01:53:10.620 He's, uh, he is.

01:53:13.360 Seal Team Six.

01:53:14.900 Yeah.

01:53:15.200 Um, has an organization right now called Veterans for Child Rescue or Vets for Child Rescue.

01:53:20.000 Right.

01:53:20.340 And he's pulling kids out of child sex trafficking.

01:53:23.120 Actively involved still yet in raids.

01:53:24.920 In fact, I was talking to him the other day, was going to be on a show with us.

01:53:27.900 He's like, dude, we're getting ready to kick a door down.

01:53:29.920 Yeah.

01:53:30.120 I mean, he's literally doing this regularly, like on the daily type of thing.

01:53:34.900 Like, uh, uh, so, you know, we talked about that a little bit.

01:53:38.440 We talked about DOJ corruption.

01:53:39.920 We talked, we talked to people on the street too.

01:53:41.880 We do some man on the street stuff, just like, Hey, is the American dream alive?

01:53:45.960 How do you feel about that?

01:53:47.360 So there was a lot of things, but, um, what would you say?

01:53:50.760 Like the biggest themes were that came out of it for you?

01:53:53.120 Well, the DOJ, obviously the mainstream media, my gosh, if Trump did anything right, he did.

01:53:59.160 He did a lot of things right.

01:54:00.560 Yeah.

01:54:00.700 Uh, I wasn't a fan really before he ran for office, but when I saw the, the world come

01:54:05.620 after him all of a sudden, the, the, I knew something was there. 0.98

01:54:09.040 So, and the guy's got cojones the size of this table. 0.97

01:54:11.440 Um, but he exposed the corruption and you know, they're not even hiding it anymore. 0.98

01:54:17.380 It's to the point like, well, we don't care.

01:54:19.500 What are you going to do about it?

01:54:20.720 Um, so we talk about the mainstream media and people like Tim, people like us, people

01:54:26.080 like Nate are the media now that's, that's coming out with the truth.

01:54:30.580 And, and what we even talked about in the movie is going to the sources of truth.

01:54:35.440 And that's what we did.

01:54:36.720 So Craig Sawyer, um, John Tegan, Tig, uh, an amazing guy.

01:54:42.020 Do you know who he is?

01:54:42.600 Yeah.

01:54:43.000 He was, uh, in Benghazi.

01:54:44.680 Yeah.

01:54:44.860 John's a great dude.

01:54:45.840 Was left to die on a rescue mission.

01:54:49.460 Yeah.

01:54:49.920 By Obama and Clinton and the CIA.

01:54:52.760 Um, so we really just found a lot of other pissed off Americans.

01:54:56.700 Shamika Michelle would love to bring her here. 0.86

01:54:59.480 Uh, Shamika is a young black lady. 1.00

01:55:01.700 Well, I don't know how young she is.

01:55:03.260 She's, she looks amazing.

01:55:05.120 Um, in North Carolina, it was raised and always, it was brought up as a Democrat and had her

01:55:12.220 own aha epiphany moment through these last eight years and is now a speaker in the walk

01:55:16.820 away movement.

01:55:17.520 So she's a pissed off American mom. 1.00

01:55:19.720 Got a friend, Debbie that's down in, in Florida, Debbie Ferris, Chinese born in Panama, raised 0.63

01:55:27.380 in Venezuela, educated in Mexico and no United States citizen.

01:55:31.700 Now that's quite a combination and has come to the, come to the point where she sees the

01:55:37.380 corruption and the communism trying to creep its way in here to the point that she's developed 0.99

01:55:42.840 an election integrity group in Florida, her self took it on herself to do that actually

01:55:49.820 puts legislation through, uh, Tallahassee, um, to help Florida have better, better elections.

01:55:56.340 So we, we brought that kind of, uh, awareness to people.

01:56:00.100 This is the kind of thing, you know, we're in a movement, uh, and Nate and I actually met

01:56:05.560 the first time at reawaken, uh, a reawaken show tour down in, uh, Miami.

01:56:10.440 But there's a lot of people that don't go to those.

01:56:13.960 There's a lot of people that won't go to those.

01:56:16.760 They don't want to hear the rah, rah about what's happening.

01:56:19.320 They just want to hide and they're going to watch the mainstream.

01:56:22.200 They're going to watch what people tell them is truth.

01:56:24.720 And it's really probably not.

01:56:26.440 So we developed pissed off American soldier because I think it's an intriguing title.

01:56:32.300 People are going to want to see it and they're going to hear things.

01:56:34.940 Like nobody's not, not a lot of people's heard Nate Kane's story.

01:56:38.900 I've introduced him in the movie is probably the least known American hero that I've ever

01:56:43.100 met in my life.

01:56:44.120 And his story needs to be told, but it's also hard to swallow.

01:56:48.520 That's hard.

01:56:49.380 It's hard to believe that a government that I fought for has the capability of doing that

01:56:55.080 to a man that fought for them as well, has the capability of doing what they've done to me.

01:57:01.020 Maybe we laid it, we, we signed a dotted line at some point and you as well.

01:57:07.180 I think signed a dotted line of that at some point up into our lives was what we were willing

01:57:13.100 to risk and yet can be treated like that.

01:57:16.420 And so we bring an awareness, bring an awareness through these stories, but we're also given

01:57:22.140 hope because we are America.

01:57:24.920 We still have that spirit and there are people like Nate and people like you and people like

01:57:29.560 Tim, people like Travis and people like myself that are willing to stand up and take a risk

01:57:34.140 because we got a target on our backs again.

01:57:36.200 When we're doing this, I've already been black, blacklisted on social media again, because of 0.99

01:57:41.060 this movie, they can kiss my country, but I don't give a crap anymore. 0.98

01:57:45.420 I'm going to do what I feel like God's told me to do. 0.99

01:57:48.000 This country was founded on godly principles.

01:57:52.260 It was founded on freedom and we don't have it.

01:57:55.340 Now we have a form of it.

01:57:56.420 We're fed enough to keep us complacent, but guys, we are so close to losing stuff.

01:58:02.420 It's scary if you know the truth.

01:58:05.660 Yeah, I guess to answer your question, it's there's a lot of through lines in the movie.

01:58:10.800 Yeah.

01:58:11.740 What I think what I what I like about it is something that you just mentioned is that, you

01:58:16.840 know, we go through his story.

01:58:18.700 We go through several other stories.

01:58:20.460 We show the mainstream media is obviously has an agenda is obviously lying.

01:58:26.520 And we show that I think we do it fairly cleverly as well.

01:58:30.080 It's not just like they're lying.

01:58:32.140 Listen to us.

01:58:32.680 It's like, hey, we're going to show you walk you down that path so that you actually see

01:58:36.960 it in front of your eyes instead of just like taking our word for it.

01:58:41.340 You know, and there's several people saying the same thing in the movie.

01:58:44.680 So there's confirmation.

01:58:45.840 But we also literally show it.

01:58:48.580 And I think what I like about it is we've done it different than most documentaries.

01:58:54.340 And at the end, we do tie things together, like you said, and we do bring hope and like

01:58:59.540 some practical, hey, what can I do now?

01:59:01.840 Or, you know, what does that look like in 2025 and beyond?

01:59:05.580 Like, how do we change instead of just complaining about it?

01:59:08.720 I think that's the biggest problem, right?

01:59:10.360 Yeah.

01:59:11.300 Everybody's on X.

01:59:12.040 Everybody's on Instagram and complaining about it.

01:59:14.380 A lot of people just want to sit down and just, well, you know, I'll just I'll just consume.

01:59:20.000 I'll just be a consumer and sit down and do nothing.

01:59:22.960 So there's very few people like actively doing things.

01:59:25.720 But I think we give some hope at the end of like at at the bare minimum, you can wake up

01:59:32.080 and start saying something or wake up.

01:59:34.860 And if you're a believer, pray about it, like get activated.

01:59:38.740 Somehow.

01:59:39.700 And there is hope, you know, there is hope.

01:59:41.800 So and I think people like us are kind of bringing that hope of an awareness of mainstream

01:59:46.860 media is not trusted anymore.

01:59:48.080 I mean, Tim cast is getting more views than most of the mainstream media combined at this

01:59:55.560 point.

01:59:56.320 Their numbers are embarrassing.

01:59:57.920 I mean, CNN is like going down at this point, right?

02:00:00.240 It's like they're not even going to be a network in four years.

02:00:03.100 Well, they were beaten by the Food Network recently.

02:00:05.380 But I mean, to be fair, every everybody does eat.

02:00:08.180 That is true.

02:00:08.860 You're going to be fair.

02:00:09.760 But yeah, slamming hoagies on there. 1.00

02:00:11.960 We're beaten by the Food Network.

02:00:13.740 All right.

02:00:14.240 So we've been going for just about two hours.

02:00:16.440 Why don't I get some final thoughts from you, Greg?

02:00:18.320 Well, my final thoughts are simple.

02:00:23.200 I love God.

02:00:24.140 I love my country.

02:00:24.920 I hate what's going on.

02:00:26.260 My mission is to bring awareness.

02:00:27.780 That's through music and now through this movie.

02:00:30.600 And people ask me, I get this all the time when I get a chance to go around the country

02:00:34.380 and talk about freedom.

02:00:35.460 What can I do, Glenn?

02:00:36.520 And I'm going to tell you right now, I don't know what you can do.

02:00:38.780 And I'm going to be willing to bet you probably went through this at some point not long ago.

02:00:42.340 I don't know what you can do.

02:00:43.340 I thought I knew what I could do, truthfully, is I don't know what I can do either.

02:00:48.840 When I heard that still small whisper of Glenn shoot a movie and I said yes, my whole world opened up.

02:00:55.920 And I don't even know that we're even touching the tip of what we're going to be able to do together.

02:01:01.700 But here's what I'll tell people.

02:01:03.540 Don't close your eyes.

02:01:04.940 Don't sit back down.

02:01:06.920 The fight is just beginning.

02:01:08.900 Yeah, we won the White House.

02:01:10.580 And we did that, I believe, because people stood up for the first time in a long time.

02:01:15.280 Don't sit down.

02:01:16.580 It's the very beginning of keeping what we know now as freedom and bringing back some of the good stuff that we've lost.

02:01:23.900 We don't want the bad stuff.

02:01:25.240 We don't want to go back to the 60s with race riots and people worried about being equal and not being segregated.

02:01:31.880 That's not the good stuff.

02:01:33.120 The good stuff is when I was a kid and we get to go outside and play until the lights come on and then we go home, you're not worried about being trafficked.

02:01:43.600 You're not worried about being drive-by shot. 0.95

02:01:47.040 You're not worrying about all that crap. 0.99

02:01:48.580 The wholesomeness, the goodness of freedom. 0.89

02:01:50.860 So we've developed this movie to help maybe make that a step that can happen for America and for me personally. 0.98

02:01:59.160 I'm tired of this crap myself. 0.98

02:02:01.200 So finish this fight, Diary of a Pissed-Off American Soldier. 1.00

02:02:04.980 Go get it.

02:02:06.020 And, oh, by the way, 50% of the profit is going to be used to help a paralyzed veteran walk again.

02:02:11.980 That's great.

02:02:12.620 That's great to hear.

02:02:13.840 Nate, what do you got?

02:02:14.400 You know, the quote, all that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.

02:02:22.600 My challenge to anybody that's watching this is to remember that.

02:02:27.500 And when they see something, you know, don't just say something, do something about it.

02:02:31.920 You know, don't ignore it because we are where we are today in terms of the wrong that is going on in this country because of complacency.

02:02:41.720 And we're all guilty of it, even myself.

02:02:45.280 When we have an opportunity to do something about it, we should.

02:02:48.800 And we owe it to all of those that have come before us and that have, you know, paid the ultimate sacrifice for this country and for our freedoms.

02:02:58.200 So that's one of the things that I appreciate about this movie is that it has a positive, you know, it has a positive push in there.

02:03:06.540 And I think that we can do something about it.

02:03:10.860 Nate?

02:03:12.240 I'm sorry, Tyler, Travis.

02:03:13.860 Travis, my bad.

02:03:15.520 Apologies.

02:03:16.040 It's Travis Conover.

02:03:17.680 No, these guys have heard me say this before, but it's so true.

02:03:23.280 America, the major export in the United States is culture, right?

02:03:29.920 We get, we import everything.

02:03:32.580 And I think we're even importing electricity at this point.

02:03:35.780 It's insane how we just consume the whole world's resources as American people.

02:03:40.880 But we export culture.

02:03:42.500 We export music and movies. 0.81

02:03:44.160 And if you're watching this and you don't already know that, you know, the main people that have been in Hollywood for the last several decades are pedophiles and baby killers and all these things.

02:03:59.220 If you don't already know that, newsflash, that's what's happening.

02:04:03.020 These elitists like Puff Daddy and all these people that are now it's finally coming out.

02:04:08.040 These are the people that have been running an entertainment industry for a long time. 0.92

02:04:11.160 And when you are living in a society like we are where the dollar is king and you get to vote with your money, like if you believe something, when you believe in something, whether it's an American company or whatever, and you spend your money there, that's how you vote and that's how you get rid of garbage, right? 0.90

02:04:29.580 So when you go to watch these Hollywood movies and just consume and entertain yourself with pedophiles and garbage people, you're voting to say, I want that and I like that and I want more of that in our country. 0.50

02:04:43.660 Or you could go to finish this fight.us. 0.94

02:04:47.300 You could buy this movie for $11 and show those people and show the world that we want the truth.

02:04:54.600 We want to actually invest in good quality entertainment made by good quality people and instead of perpetuating the trash that's out there, start to create some new awesome content.

02:05:10.660 And look, we're going to make government espionage feature films based on true stories.

02:05:17.180 Nate Kane's story starring Travis Conover.

02:05:19.980 And we are going to make that movie and that's going to be an awesome government espionage badass thriller that people are going to go and watch as entertainment, but it's going to have true real life stories behind it.

02:05:31.680 But when you go and you buy this movie and you buy the other things that I'm making and people like me are making, you're voting for that and you're saying that's what I want.

02:05:39.660 You're voting for the Donald Trump of film industry, right?

02:05:42.740 The Donald Trump of entertainment and movie making and we're going to start exporting positive culture to the world. 0.98

02:05:48.020 I'm so sick of what we're exporting now, which is just garbage.

02:05:52.580 It is we want Dwayne Johnson's next piece of content that has no soul, no life and is terribly acted or we want to vote for something good.

02:06:02.080 So if you have $11, the movie I think is worth way more than that, but I think it'd be a great thing to watch.

02:06:08.380 And you're also voting that you want more of this in the world.

02:06:11.100 So that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

02:06:13.560 I do have a spoiler about the movie, though, and we're talking about garbage and things like that in Hollywood.

02:06:18.840 He, as a director, did convince me to do a topless scene.

02:06:23.940 It was necessary for the story, Glenn.

02:06:26.820 This is exciting.

02:06:28.760 Listen, when he got arrested, he just had shorts and a flip line.

02:06:31.980 Yeah, yeah.

02:06:33.680 But thank you so much for having us here today, man.

02:06:36.080 You've enjoyed the time.

02:06:37.360 Glenn, thank you.

02:06:38.680 Travis.

02:06:39.120 Travis, thank you very much.

02:06:40.360 Nate, I think I called you Tyler earlier.

02:06:42.740 I'm not offended.

02:06:44.040 You know what?

02:06:44.720 Well, don't worry.

02:06:46.420 Kellen here will take care of the editing.

02:06:48.500 He'll smooth it over that way.

02:06:50.140 That about wraps it up for us.

02:06:52.300 Keep an eye out for clips coming up all week and we will see you on Monday.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - December 27, 2024

Finish This Fight Movie, EXPOSING Government & DOJ Corruption

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