The Culture War - Tim Pool - Gen Z Debate： Conservative vs Liberal, Why Trump WON Gen Z

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00:01:34.080 Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Culture War podcast.

00:01:37.760 Today, we've got a couple Gen Z guests.

00:01:40.940 We're going to be talking about Donald Trump's victory and why Gen Z men went for Donald Trump

00:01:47.380 and why Gen Z women didn't.

00:01:49.380 So if you guys want to go ahead and introduce yourself, Luke.

00:01:51.460 I am Luke Beasley, a liberal political commentator, and just recently started an oppositional show

00:01:58.040 with Isabella Moody, who's here with us as well, called The Grudge, where we bicker and argue

00:02:03.300 about how much we disagree on everything.

00:02:06.200 Yep.

00:02:06.740 Should I start now?

00:02:07.280 Yeah.

00:02:07.600 All right.

00:02:08.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:08.420 I'm co-host of The Grudge with Luke Beasley.

00:02:10.360 Yeah, we pretty much just fight.

00:02:11.740 We have a lot of fun there, but it's kind of cool because not enough people on different

00:02:15.260 sides of the aisle sit in the same room and actually talk these issues out.

00:02:19.520 So it's a lot of fun, and we definitely get heated on there.

00:02:22.120 So it's fun.

00:02:23.420 You guys will see that today.

00:02:24.840 We've also got Lisa Elizabeth.

00:02:27.140 Hi, guys.

00:02:27.800 So happy to be back.

00:02:28.960 Everybody knows I book for this show.

00:02:30.500 I'm really happy to beat up on a leftist today since they never show up.

00:02:35.220 So Luke, thanks for coming.

00:02:36.920 I really do appreciate you being here, but let's get into it.

00:02:40.720 We have it.

00:02:41.220 All right, so we were talking a little bit before we got started.

00:02:46.340 We were talking about some of the repercussions from having Donald Trump win as opposed to

00:02:53.760 having Kamala Harris.

00:02:54.920 There's a lot of people that are on the right that people on the right would consider being

00:03:00.520 persecuted.

00:03:01.800 Some people were put in jail.

00:03:03.860 A lot of people were questioning whether free speech was actually under attack by the

00:03:10.720 left.

00:03:11.740 So why don't you go ahead and articulate your position, Luke?

00:03:15.160 What do you think?

00:03:15.920 About whether or not people were being persecuted?

00:03:18.200 Yeah.

00:03:19.580 So when we were talking before the show, we were talking about how I was saying how I

00:03:23.400 want to punish the left the way that they punished the right.

00:03:27.620 The way you thought they did, right?

00:03:28.820 No, the way they did.

00:03:30.420 Like to where we felt unsafe.

00:03:32.420 Like I live in Philadelphia, and you couldn't have a Trump sticker on your car because they

00:03:36.420 would smash the windows out.

00:03:37.440 They burnt cars, right?

00:03:38.520 They would attack your house.

00:03:39.860 They would physically harm you or say things to you or be nasty to you.

00:03:43.980 We had like elected representatives saying like, you know, attack these, not attack these

00:03:49.100 people.

00:03:49.400 I was just to confront these people at the street, at the gas station, in the grocery

00:03:53.040 store, right?

00:03:53.640 Referring to Maxine Waters.

00:03:55.220 Correct.

00:03:55.740 Specifically.

00:03:56.380 And we felt like we were getting kicked off of every social media platform.

00:04:00.000 I was considered a quote hate agent on Facebook and was like not allowed to have one, period.

00:04:05.080 Right?

00:04:05.360 Like a hate agent, all for posting a picture.

00:04:07.520 I didn't post any commentary.

00:04:08.460 I just posted a picture on the thing and they canceled it forever.

00:04:11.880 It wasn't until I got my, I went to work for the Hill again and got my congressional email

00:04:15.260 back.

00:04:15.540 Was I able to have it?

00:04:16.340 Like they censored us.

00:04:18.040 They isolated us.

00:04:19.560 It was almost like, you know how you guys accuse us of being in a cult all the time?

00:04:23.300 It's almost like you guys are in the cult.

00:04:25.460 Like if, if, if you, you can't be friends with any right wing people, you can't agree

00:04:29.460 with them at all.

00:04:30.280 You're isolating like the opposition.

00:04:32.240 If you're all not on the same page, it's a problem where like, we can at least criticize

00:04:36.840 our people.

00:04:37.680 We can, we can criticize the president.

00:04:40.120 We, we don't isolate anybody.

00:04:41.860 Like we're willing to talk to you and we're not, we don't like threaten you with violence

00:04:45.800 and you can bring up January 6th or whatever, but it really felt like.

00:04:48.820 We need to get into that for sure.

00:04:50.120 Yeah, but if it really felt like if you were on the, if you were on the right, you were

00:04:54.960 a pariah in society.

00:04:56.160 Can you see that in your comment section about me?

00:04:58.080 So, uh, first off, political violence of any kind, if you're saying that someone attacks

00:05:02.020 your car or something because there's a MAGA sticker, that's insane.

00:05:04.580 They shouldn't do that.

00:05:05.420 It is important to remember that the data show that right wing political violence is far

00:05:09.720 more.

00:05:09.900 I want a political violence.

00:05:11.900 Well, I'm just going to finish the point.

00:05:12.700 She went for a while there.

00:05:13.780 Uh, and then, yeah, you bring up January 6th.

00:05:15.980 That's an instance of political violence, but, but what you need to understand

00:05:20.120 about something I've explained to Isabel before is that to understand our political analysis

00:05:24.500 of two different relevant, prominent leaders, you have to at least limit it for some logical

00:05:30.460 discussions to the leaders we're talking about, not vibes and abstract perceptions of an entire

00:05:35.880 side.

00:05:36.360 because on any side, people will do crazy abstract, but in the case of like, look at the BLM

00:05:41.660 riots for months.

00:05:42.600 Like that's the case of largely left wing active.

00:05:44.520 Yeah, right.

00:05:44.880 And Democrats believed that if you committed crimes, you should be held accountable for

00:05:49.160 them.

00:05:49.300 That's not true.

00:05:49.740 Unlike Trump actually.

00:05:50.820 That's not true.

00:05:52.620 Unlike Trump actually wanting to pardon people who were violent on January 6th, but I will

00:05:56.900 say, in the case of Trump, I'm all for protecting free speech.

00:06:01.180 Y'all will sometimes mix up social media censorship, which if you have a platform, you're on the

00:06:05.940 platform and you have terms of service, we can debate about what those terms of service

00:06:09.200 should be, but that's not the same as government infringement.

00:06:11.700 But the government did infringe, right?

00:06:13.720 I'm just going to complete my point really quickly.

00:06:16.440 It's already getting heated, not even five minutes in.

00:06:18.740 No, no.

00:06:19.020 And then finally, I've never heard Vice President Harris advocate for censorship, whereas Trump

00:06:23.960 literally said the government should come down hard on MSNBC.

00:06:27.160 See, that's your leader of your movement, not just some random person out on social media.

00:06:31.040 Which I disagree with that, by the way.

00:06:32.620 Kamala Harris absolutely said that she was going to look into expropriating Twitter from

00:06:40.220 Elon Musk because he had lost his privilege.

00:06:42.520 These are her words.

00:06:43.380 That's a direct quote.

00:06:44.980 Lost his privilege because he was being, I guess the way that she phrased it was he wasn't

00:06:54.720 doing enough to censor people.

00:06:56.600 She literally said lost his privilege.

00:06:59.240 There was, that is a direct quote, lost, like I said, lost his privilege.

00:07:04.120 I haven't even seen that.

00:07:05.020 Right.

00:07:05.240 So that's an actual direct quote from me.

00:07:07.500 If you can find her advocating government, you know.

00:07:10.700 Well, the FBI had a desk.

00:07:12.280 They had a portal at Twitter where the FBI could tender people.

00:07:16.880 No, not, it doesn't matter that it was under Trump.

00:07:19.360 I'm just saying, you're talking about something that since social media platforms have existed.

00:07:23.060 It doesn't matter because the FBI, it should not, the FBI should, it does not matter.

00:07:27.560 The FBI is not in a position to tell private companies who they should and shouldn't censor.

00:07:32.580 That's illegal.

00:07:33.560 So I'm asking you, you're saying that Trump's administration was engaging in illegal behavior?

00:07:37.680 I'm telling you, the FBI, and it doesn't matter if it was Trump's administration.

00:07:40.820 No, it does matter.

00:07:41.460 No, it doesn't.

00:07:41.940 No, it doesn't.

00:07:42.700 I'll explain to you why it doesn't matter.

00:07:44.200 I'll explain to you why it doesn't matter.

00:07:45.200 There has always been between private and public entities, communication, sharing of information

00:07:50.820 in some cases.

00:07:51.420 This is obfuscating the point.

00:07:52.620 Let me just explain the dang part.

00:07:54.380 No, we're hard, we're hard.

00:07:55.560 You're absolutely obfuscating the point of the-

00:07:57.340 Listen to what I'm saying, though.

00:07:58.880 Wait, let him finish, though.

00:08:00.280 Listen, I'm saying that I agree if the FBI said, we're going to punish you, Twitter or

00:08:05.580 Facebook or something, if you don't censor stuff we want you to censor, that would be

00:08:09.400 a huge problem.

00:08:10.340 Them going also under the Trump administration because Trump was upset that some actress

00:08:14.580 called him a mean word, and they went and requested, hey, we think this violates your

00:08:20.620 terms of service, which anyone with connections at Twitter can do.

00:08:23.300 Hey, does this violate your terms of service?

00:08:24.580 Because you might want to take it down.

00:08:25.440 And then what we've seen is the percentages of the actual posts they end up taking down

00:08:29.760 proves that they're not feeling threatened, because a lot of the ones that the government

00:08:32.560 will go, hey, is this against your terms of service?

00:08:34.660 Like, I guess the FBI example, then the social media platforms don't even do it.

00:08:38.620 So they're not even being pressured enough to do all the requests.

00:08:41.480 If there were pressure, then I would agree with you.

00:08:42.980 But there is pressure.

00:08:44.520 There is fundamental pressure.

00:08:45.560 Now, I used to do, I was telling them, wait.

00:08:46.800 Just the existence of an FBI, of the FBI saying, hey, you should do this.

00:08:51.020 Can you look at this?

00:08:51.940 When the government asks, that is pressure.

00:08:54.360 And to say that it's not is ridiculous.

00:08:57.000 You don't hold that principle on a bunch of other things.

00:08:59.440 Yes, we do.

00:08:59.860 Here, let me explain to you why.

00:09:01.020 I used to work for Congress.

00:09:01.900 I used to do casework.

00:09:02.600 I was explaining this to Isabella the other day, right?

00:09:04.500 And we would advocate for our constituents.

00:09:06.320 And sometimes we would have to advocate for our constituents to, say, like American Airlines

00:09:11.780 or a company that wasn't a federal agency.

00:09:15.480 And when we did that, we had to make sure we said, can you give this request consideration,

00:09:20.300 full and fair consideration under the law?

00:09:21.880 However, even though we put that stipulation in there, we knew by the government coming to

00:09:26.620 ask them that we were exerting pressure because they're like, oh, a congressman asked for

00:09:31.880 this to happen, right?

00:09:33.200 And what happens is, is that they know that if you have histories of not complying, that

00:09:38.020 they can come and like investigate your business.

00:09:40.740 And they've been doing that.

00:09:42.400 The DOJ, don't they have an open investigation under X right now?

00:09:45.260 I would love to flesh out that principle because it feels like you really limitedly apply it.

00:09:51.120 For example, Trump, because he doesn't like certain coverage saying CBS should be taken

00:09:55.520 off the air, ABC should be taken off the air, and saying the MSNBC should be targeted

00:09:58.940 by the government.

00:09:59.600 Explicitly his words.

00:10:00.380 You can look up the true social.

00:10:01.140 Yeah, he did.

00:10:01.580 Does anyone here agree?

00:10:02.600 I don't think that's okay.

00:10:03.720 None of y'all are fixated on that.

00:10:06.200 Whereas Harris, I still haven't seen the clip.

00:10:08.880 I just pulled it up, but I'm seeing here that like it's a fact check, not totally accurate.

00:10:13.440 So I want to be good about what it says.

00:10:16.140 And you, Callan, I put it in the thing, but you can look.

00:10:18.280 Again, yeah.

00:10:19.180 So I'm sure there's some random lefties who are too pro-censorship and stuff like that,

00:10:22.720 but I'm looking at people in positions of power because then I know that they're actually

00:10:25.140 relevant to political discourse.

00:10:26.520 Trump's the only one I've heard overtly calling for censorship, which is why he would be the

00:10:30.600 more anti-free speech can't be.

00:10:31.560 Okay, so here's what I want to say to that, right?

00:10:34.380 When I tell you that like mass people, and they've shown data to support this, were being

00:10:38.080 pulled off of social media outlets, right?

00:10:40.320 Like they were the ones.

00:10:41.600 If you look at the data, there is another graph too that shows now that Elon Musk bought

00:10:45.780 Twitter, it's an even split.

00:10:47.360 It's almost identical.

00:10:49.140 It was a CNN.

00:10:49.640 It was a CNN.

00:10:49.960 It was a CNN, right?

00:10:50.680 Of people using the platform.

00:10:51.700 Of people using the platform.

00:10:52.760 And before it was skewed so far to the left.

00:10:55.420 And that is not because of usage.

00:10:56.900 That is because they were deactivating so many accounts.

00:11:01.360 A lot of it's because of liberals not using the platform anymore.

00:11:03.940 But I'm also, I've looked into that as well.

00:11:05.900 So what, they went to Blue Sky in the last month?

00:11:07.560 Like there's been analyses that have demonstrated that it's because right-wingers violate the

00:11:13.000 term of service.

00:11:13.340 Now you could say the term of service should be different, and that's totally fine.

00:11:16.320 And I have issues with term of service sometimes whenever videos of mine get taken down or whatever.

00:11:19.960 But that's different than the left or Democrats have some partnership platform.

00:11:23.680 So now I do, I want to push back on that idea.

00:11:26.260 Do you understand the distinction though?

00:11:27.260 I mean, the point that I'm making though is when you say violate the terms of service,

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00:13:02.380 Tim made a point about when he was on the Joe Rogan podcast, right?

00:13:06.660 So if you say, like if you make remarks about trans people, if you say, if you deadname someone,

00:13:12.580 that is something that you could get, you could lose your Twitter account, you could get locked out for deadnaming.

00:13:17.920 But that isn't because of, that's an ideological position.

00:13:22.020 That's not like if you say, oh, you're violating the terms of service because you're harassing someone

00:13:26.680 because you didn't deadname them.

00:13:28.120 That's an ideological position.

00:13:30.140 Right, it's not like causing harassment.

00:13:31.860 And the things, the terms of service were so big.

00:13:34.560 Yeah, they're ambiguous.

00:13:35.120 No, no, no, they're not supposed to say that.

00:13:36.880 If the terms of service are, if the people making the judgment about the terms of service are ideologically.

00:13:42.140 I just agree with you, of course.

00:13:43.940 You just said that it was.

00:13:45.120 And I do take issue with the terms of service.

00:13:46.120 What is racism?

00:13:47.300 What are these different things?

00:13:48.660 What is hate speech?

00:13:49.360 All of that's going to be completely subjective, obviously.

00:13:52.280 And by the way, they only target people on the right.

00:13:54.500 The only way that you can make this a constitutional issue is if you, like, nationalized social media platforms.

00:14:00.700 No, no, because the government,

00:14:02.780 the government trying to use a third party to censor is illegal as well.

00:14:07.720 And that's something that the Supreme Court has found.

00:14:09.340 So if the government is pressuring social media companies to block people or to, you know,

00:14:16.080 boot them off the platform, that's a violation of their constitutional rights, too.

00:14:19.860 So you can't say that, oh, the only way.

00:14:21.420 Totally fine.

00:14:21.900 I agree they shouldn't pressure.

00:14:23.880 You're also not really making a right or left issue because that's something that the

00:14:27.860 Trump administration part took in a lot.

00:14:29.720 And Trump actually says it more overtly.

00:14:31.240 So it sounds like you're from the Democratic Party.

00:14:33.520 I found a Democrat.

00:14:34.480 Go ahead.

00:14:35.220 Go ahead.

00:14:35.520 I'm sitting with a bunch of Democrats, then.

00:14:36.700 Awesome.

00:14:37.160 Because I remember a few years ago, congressional Democrats putting pressure on social media

00:14:40.980 company owners to start censorship.

00:14:43.260 And even just right before the 2024 election, Adam Schiff, what did Trump call him?

00:14:47.840 Shifty Schiff with his long neck, whatever.

00:14:50.060 Pencil neck Schiff.

00:14:50.760 Watermelon head.

00:14:51.680 He demands social media companies take action in advance of 2024 election to address spread

00:14:56.200 of election misinformation, which they also did with COVID.

00:14:59.280 They were censoring doctors and anyone that had different opinions regarding the efficacy

00:15:03.700 of the COVID vaccine.

00:15:04.640 And the 100 Biden laptop.

00:15:07.140 Spreading misinformation.

00:15:08.160 Right.

00:15:08.340 They censored the New York Post.

00:15:09.520 Right.

00:15:09.960 So here's the difference, right?

00:15:11.460 You're circling, circling, circling, not addressing.

00:15:13.440 I'm getting to your point.

00:15:14.940 That's what I want to do.

00:15:15.540 Okay.

00:15:15.840 Do you consider like social media, the town square at this point in our given digital

00:15:21.780 age society?

00:15:22.380 Like back in the day, think about like in the 1800s, everybody go to the corner and talk,

00:15:26.040 right?

00:15:26.360 And if you removed somebody from that square and they couldn't talk anymore, right, then

00:15:31.680 you would be violating their first amendment right, right?

00:15:34.760 Like they can't, oh, you can't, you're not allowed to say that like here on the street

00:15:37.820 corner.

00:15:38.080 And so that is the difference.

00:15:40.440 Like right now, our street corner, where our public discourse is being done, is being

00:15:44.740 done on Twitter.

00:15:45.920 So if they, they're trying to have it both ways, they're trying to say, everybody can

00:15:50.020 speak here and, and they're putting these arbitrary rules in, which, you know, sometimes

00:15:54.440 you were banned for no reason.

00:15:55.820 They, they, they.

00:15:56.320 The companies, these private companies, right?

00:15:58.100 But, but that's the difference.

00:15:59.180 They're either the town square or they're a private company.

00:16:02.120 They're trying to have it both ways.

00:16:03.240 Legally, not the town square, even though I agree they have a huge impact in our political

00:16:07.460 discourse.

00:16:07.960 Right.

00:16:08.140 And so until we fundamentally change our laws again, you could only do it if you nationalize,

00:16:13.080 you're going to have private companies, just like a business that you walk in and you can't

00:16:16.680 wear it without shoes or you can't go to the store without certain attire on.

00:16:20.080 Now, they're going to be able to regulate their own platforms just in our, in our, uh, free

00:16:25.560 society.

00:16:26.140 That's going to be the situation.

00:16:27.360 So then advocate for them.

00:16:28.960 I have different terms of service.

00:16:29.840 If you're upset with the dead, we were advocating Jason Fick is trying to like, um, tackle two

00:16:34.380 30 right now and he actually advocate away, but y'all then attach this to the political

00:16:38.540 parties in a way that makes no sense when only one of the political parties candidate actually

00:16:43.220 advocate.

00:16:43.540 No, they did.

00:16:44.680 That's not true.

00:16:45.460 That's not true.

00:16:45.920 They had largely being censored.

00:16:47.960 Democrats, Republicans, come on.

00:16:50.140 You can make a good point, right?

00:16:52.260 It's, it's fine to make a point, but then you followed up the blatant lie.

00:16:55.700 You have, you have, you have blatant lie.

00:16:57.280 No, the only one party, only one party advocates for, for, for, for, it's the most ridiculous

00:17:03.160 blatant lie that I've heard in this, in this kind of, uh, forum that I think ever.

00:17:07.820 I use the word censorship really, really, um, specifically.

00:17:11.880 So I'm talking about governmental censorship and that's what you haven't demonstrated, but

00:17:15.480 I have demonstrated that Trump has governmental, there's a portal.

00:17:18.260 There has been, there has been like an actual congressional investigation into it.

00:17:22.620 Yes.

00:17:22.720 Public and private entities will communicate all the time about so many things.

00:17:27.220 Zuckerberg came out and said he's self-censored.

00:17:28.540 As long as he's making an apology for it is not the same as saying it doesn't happen.

00:17:31.720 But again, so then you're just as upset at the Republican party, the Democratic party?

00:17:34.560 No, don't, don't you.

00:17:35.420 At Trump?

00:17:35.580 You're mad at Trump because Trump's administration did that too?

00:17:37.500 Fine.

00:17:37.820 No, I'm not.

00:17:38.200 I want him to go harder.

00:17:39.440 I want him to censor all of them.

00:17:40.840 As a matter of fact, I disagree with Lisa on that.

00:17:44.060 Everybody disagrees with me on that though.

00:17:45.660 But that's because I'm vindictive.

00:17:47.040 That's because I'm vindictive, right?

00:17:48.360 Like my thing is, is that we've played nice.

00:17:50.600 We're like, oh, everybody follow the rules.

00:17:51.960 But then the Democrats don't.

00:17:53.300 And there was a whole congressional investigation.

00:17:55.400 Zuckerberg admitted to feeling censored.

00:17:58.420 Oh, and there were definitely things done wrong in the, um, no, no.

00:18:01.020 He was talking about, yeah, in that time people overstepped on social media and the

00:18:05.140 banning and stuff of people.

00:18:06.980 Totally.

00:18:07.340 Right.

00:18:07.500 But it was, it was largely, it was largely geared towards people on the right being censored.

00:18:12.120 Zuckerberg said.

00:18:13.000 Yeah.

00:18:13.400 Medical misinformation.

00:18:14.200 Right.

00:18:14.380 Right.

00:18:14.460 Which I agree.

00:18:14.860 Sometimes people were.

00:18:15.900 They clearly got wrong.

00:18:17.500 Right.

00:18:17.940 So, so they were, the right was being censored.

00:18:20.660 He admits it.

00:18:21.440 So now I'm like, they have been punishing us.

00:18:24.340 They targeted, the IRS targeted, the IRS targeted how many people with conservative groups

00:18:29.320 that came out.

00:18:30.080 Right.

00:18:30.720 I mean, I was there for that scandal.

00:18:32.260 They have been targeting us forever.

00:18:34.200 You don't remember that?

00:18:34.980 Where the IRS targeted nonprofits?

00:18:37.700 Oh yeah.

00:18:38.160 He was 10.

00:18:38.640 I see.

00:18:38.920 I was on the Hill forever.

00:18:39.840 So it was under Obama, right?

00:18:41.240 Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:41.840 It was in 2000, like 2010, 11, 12.

00:18:44.140 I thought we were about to go to the 87,000 IRS talking point.

00:18:47.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:18:48.140 This is the IRS when they, they, they targeted religion.

00:18:50.760 Anybody that's had like Patriot or Christian or God or Jesus in their 501 C3 applications,

00:18:57.840 they were totally pushed off so that they couldn't financially.

00:19:01.480 I'm almost certain that's not true, but what are you talking about?

00:19:04.220 Are you, I'm, I'm, I'm, that's ridiculous.

00:19:06.660 I can't believe you just said the IRS targets conservative scandal.

00:19:11.380 Just Google it.

00:19:12.200 It'll come up.

00:19:12.800 I swear on all my kids.

00:19:14.940 Yeah.

00:19:15.400 They were kicking people out of being nonprofits.

00:19:18.160 They were, they were like not approving.

00:19:20.060 Yep.

00:19:20.260 So they, there's a Wikipedia on it.

00:19:22.420 Bring that up on the specific 501 C3s that had these buzzwords, like they were putting

00:19:26.960 the pressure on them or if other ones, they didn't get it.

00:19:28.940 The IRS targeted.

00:19:29.560 No one wants to have the IRS targeting you.

00:19:31.320 Okay.

00:19:31.600 The whole Wikipedia on it.

00:19:32.200 Yeah.

00:19:32.580 Almost sure you're positive it's not true.

00:19:34.580 Give me a break.

00:19:35.520 I got to read it.

00:19:36.140 Holy smokes.

00:19:37.020 Yeah.

00:19:37.180 It was really bad.

00:19:38.260 And so I feel like I'm older than you.

00:19:40.140 An exhaustive report released by the Treasury Department's Inspector General in 2017 found

00:19:44.160 that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose

00:19:48.540 targets.

00:19:48.860 Dude, it was, it was overwhelmingly.

00:19:50.920 The thing, wait, wait, wait, wait, just because you're going for the first, read the whole thing

00:19:55.620 if you want to, if you want to talk about the whole thing, then read the whole thing.

00:19:59.440 Don't get to one line that says that it wasn't just one, that it wasn't just one.

00:20:03.200 It says some liberal groups were selected, but, but it was overwhelmingly conservative.

00:20:07.760 It was, it says what you just said.

00:20:10.800 No, keep going.

00:20:13.260 It was, it was, it was overwhelmingly conservative and it was, it was to the point where they

00:20:17.880 admitted that they did it and that it was wrong.

00:20:19.540 I don't know.

00:20:20.260 Clearly not.

00:20:22.340 No, keep going here.

00:20:24.080 I have a clip that I can send.

00:20:25.760 I've found a couple of congressional clips.

00:20:27.300 It was so, it was so bad.

00:20:28.580 So anyway, I feel like I have been persecuted, right?

00:20:31.900 For the last, since 2008.

00:20:34.020 I remember when, listen to this.

00:20:35.700 I remember-

00:20:36.340 That's crazy you brought the heat and then pulled up that article.

00:20:39.620 It's Wikipedia, first of all.

00:20:41.160 It really was conservative.

00:20:42.760 That was awesome for you.

00:20:43.400 No, no, I said to Google it.

00:20:44.680 I didn't say the Wikipedia was the one to bring up.

00:20:46.880 But the point that I'm making, to bring up Wikipedia and say that Wikipedia, which is

00:20:51.460 notoriously left-leaning, which is unquestionably notoriously left-leaning.

00:20:56.520 The point, okay.

00:20:57.520 This is-

00:20:58.180 Just the fact that it exists.

00:20:59.880 Y'all's burden of proof on this one.

00:21:01.280 I'll get it.

00:21:01.960 Hold on, let me pull it up.

00:21:03.160 Here, I'll send you a link.

00:21:04.000 Just because you don't recall it happening, doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

00:21:07.020 None of these letters call for the targeting of groups on the basis of political ideology.

00:21:10.340 Yes, it did.

00:21:10.700 That happened before your time.

00:21:11.920 It doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

00:21:12.580 IRS targets.

00:21:13.100 I was there.

00:21:13.560 I was sitting in the congressional hearings.

00:21:14.980 I was like on the hill listening to it.

00:21:15.960 You were listening to Republicans.

00:21:17.380 Okay, Lisa, I sent you a link.

00:21:18.600 Well, everybody does.

00:21:19.620 A one-minute link.

00:21:20.480 Oh, my God.

00:21:21.140 I was targeting Tea Party hearing.

00:21:23.400 I don't know.

00:21:24.020 Yeah, it was brutal.

00:21:24.680 Anyway, I feel like this.

00:21:25.980 I feel like I've been-

00:21:27.000 It was in 2008 it started.

00:21:28.560 I remember.

00:21:29.420 I remember.

00:21:30.020 Under the Peace and Unity President Obama who like increased race-

00:21:33.060 I was bringing up the CNN when the-

00:21:33.740 I was bartending, right?

00:21:34.920 Okay, there's the timeline.

00:21:36.600 Yeah, here we go.

00:21:37.560 You can read that.

00:21:38.320 Because they were using political keywords as the other thing noted.

00:21:41.160 It sounds like.

00:21:41.760 Again, I'm reading up on this here.

00:21:44.620 And-

00:21:45.000 Why use political keywords?

00:21:46.400 According to the report, actions taken to change the criteria, right?

00:21:49.340 But it was because conservatives were complaining.

00:21:50.160 It was happening not just to conservatives.

00:21:52.220 Boom.

00:21:52.440 It was.

00:21:53.560 It was mainly conservatives.

00:21:54.420 Do you have a clip?

00:21:55.020 A one-minute clip if we want to watch it.

00:21:56.240 Awesome.

00:21:56.560 I don't know if it's good, but-

00:21:57.760 But it wasn't exclusively that showing it wouldn't be-

00:22:00.780 Sometimes, like, y'all do this thing where the outcome of something means the intention

00:22:05.140 was something that it wasn't.

00:22:06.280 Oh, stop it.

00:22:07.500 You guys do that.

00:22:08.840 So there might be-

00:22:09.820 That sounds like a leftist policy.

00:22:11.400 They have these intentions, but it actually does the opposite of an outcome.

00:22:13.240 As a random example, if you put a bunch of political keywords, there might be, I don't

00:22:16.280 know, more nonprofits that associate with the right wing that use those over keywords.

00:22:18.980 Well, if you use terms like patriot, I mean, the left doesn't typically consider themselves

00:22:23.840 patriotic.

00:22:24.740 Patriots are Nazis.

00:22:25.440 Because they're trying to find, right, you couldn't have certain tax-exempt status if you

00:22:30.260 are politically active is why they were going after, right?

00:22:34.480 No, they were specifically-

00:22:35.700 It was during the Tea Party era and they were-

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00:24:04.540 We're specifically using heavily more.

00:24:07.140 But you know, but the reason rules, right?

00:24:09.120 There's 501c3s and 501c4s.

00:24:10.120 Yeah, maybe more political buzzwords were used in nonprofits and that was easier to find.

00:24:13.900 Again, or maybe something was done wrong as well.

00:24:16.560 Sounds like it was.

00:24:17.700 But I don't know how that at all bolsters the point y'all are making.

00:24:20.980 That the government targets conservatives.

00:24:22.640 Yeah, the government targets conservatives more than the targets left.

00:24:25.560 Another thing that I want to actually go back to.

00:24:27.620 Under Trump apparently.

00:24:28.500 You mentioned the right doesn't do, or the right is where political violence.

00:24:32.340 No, here it is.

00:24:32.820 NPR.

00:24:33.640 Here you go.

00:24:34.020 I'm going to send this up.

00:24:34.860 Because it really is.

00:24:35.760 They actually apologize for it.

00:24:37.360 Kellen, I'm sending this to you right now.

00:24:38.520 Hold on.

00:24:39.200 Pull this up.

00:24:40.400 Also, I think it's an NPR article.

00:24:42.140 So you know NPR's to your side.

00:24:43.720 Yeah.

00:24:44.140 Pull up.

00:24:44.840 Just a link that I sent you.

00:24:45.960 There's no excuse for the agency's treatments of these groups.

00:24:49.160 And they specifically apologize for aggressive scrutiny of conservative groups.

00:24:53.040 It was more heavily skewed towards conservatives.

00:24:56.900 It was.

00:24:57.740 And so what.

00:24:58.140 And y'all misarticulated it being.

00:25:00.120 Misarticulated.

00:25:00.560 For the purpose of going after conservatives as opposed to.

00:25:02.760 You just can see that this is wrong.

00:25:03.800 I mean.

00:25:04.140 No, I told you it's.

00:25:05.340 They even noted that it was inappropriate.

00:25:07.460 Totally agree then.

00:25:08.600 Yeah.

00:25:08.980 So they noted that it was inappropriate.

00:25:09.940 You totally agree because.

00:25:11.520 You're totally agreeing now because.

00:25:13.640 They finally have found.

00:25:14.900 We finally found something that says that.

00:25:16.600 He didn't know about it yet.

00:25:17.420 I was hearing you out this whole time.

00:25:18.860 You were.

00:25:19.440 You were.

00:25:20.260 You were.

00:25:20.800 You were doing all you could to say.

00:25:22.300 No, this didn't happen.

00:25:23.060 By the way that that was worded.

00:25:24.560 But they did apologize.

00:25:25.580 Like they.

00:25:26.020 They did apologize.

00:25:27.020 I don't know what the.

00:25:28.400 They realized.

00:25:29.720 By using certain political buzzwords to make sure that.

00:25:33.400 IRS policies weren't being violated.

00:25:35.600 They were disproportionately harming conservative groups.

00:25:37.820 So then they apologized because of a bunch of uproar.

00:25:39.780 I just want to.

00:25:40.400 I don't see.

00:25:40.980 So we got justice.

00:25:41.980 This conservatives are just sick and tired of the gaslighting from the left that we're

00:25:45.660 so we're such victims.

00:25:46.600 We're crazy.

00:25:47.040 We're not actually being censored.

00:25:48.140 Yes, we are.

00:25:48.660 And it's been happening for years.

00:25:50.200 It's not even censored.

00:25:51.220 It's being persecuted.

00:25:52.220 Targeted.

00:25:53.160 Specifically.

00:25:54.440 There's not.

00:25:55.140 There's not a whole.

00:25:55.760 What are like Trump?

00:25:57.420 I'm sure you're all thinking of.

00:25:58.440 Or what do you mean?

00:25:59.040 Yeah.

00:25:59.320 Like he was like impeached twice.

00:26:00.620 Before Trump.

00:26:01.060 This has started happening since 2008.

00:26:02.340 I remember.

00:26:02.920 I was bartending.

00:26:03.960 I was a bartender.

00:26:04.680 Right.

00:26:04.880 I had a lot of lives.

00:26:06.020 Okay.

00:26:06.380 I was bartending.

00:26:07.080 And he won.

00:26:08.080 Right.

00:26:08.540 And this girl that was like a party planner came up.

00:26:11.980 Like in my face.

00:26:13.460 Obama.

00:26:14.280 Obama.

00:26:15.240 Right.

00:26:15.680 Like.

00:26:16.160 And I was in.

00:26:17.100 I was in a community college.

00:26:18.220 What she looked like.

00:26:19.100 Stop it, Isabella.

00:26:20.260 So.

00:26:20.680 Well, she said.

00:26:21.300 She said.

00:26:21.540 All you salty crackers in here.

00:26:22.720 So like that's what she said.

00:26:23.840 So right.

00:26:24.180 But she was in my face.

00:26:25.560 Right.

00:26:25.780 But then they were.

00:26:27.000 I was walking through the halls of community college.

00:26:28.560 And they were like.

00:26:29.200 He won.

00:26:29.900 And like would literally come up like.

00:26:32.480 Like they were going to attack you.

00:26:35.040 Just to scream that Obama won.

00:26:37.400 Like it was.

00:26:38.500 Like.

00:26:39.160 It was like whatever.

00:26:39.940 And since then.

00:26:41.040 I have felt a shift.

00:26:42.940 To where it was like.

00:26:44.780 We can do what.

00:26:46.040 Where they have a mandate.

00:26:46.880 To treat people who don't agree with us.

00:26:49.740 Aggressively.

00:26:50.460 And like.

00:26:51.200 You're the scum of the earth.

00:26:52.200 Like I am tired of being called a bigot.

00:26:54.620 A racist.

00:26:55.460 I was this kid that was like.

00:26:56.800 Mommy.

00:26:57.240 We all bleed the same.

00:26:58.360 Like it doesn't matter.

00:26:59.360 Right.

00:26:59.700 I was that girl.

00:27:00.740 I was the person.

00:27:01.480 I was like.

00:27:01.720 I don't care if gay people get married.

00:27:03.120 No.

00:27:03.340 I don't want gay people to adopt kids.

00:27:05.100 I don't want them to be surrogates.

00:27:06.340 I don't want single parents to adopt the kids either.

00:27:07.780 But that's not the point.

00:27:08.500 The point is.

00:27:09.840 Is that like.

00:27:10.540 We didn't care about all these social issues that much.

00:27:13.320 We didn't have any of that.

00:27:14.260 Right.

00:27:14.560 Until we have been beat down by the left.

00:27:16.900 And I mean.

00:27:17.420 I feel like.

00:27:18.000 Yes.

00:27:18.280 We've been beat down.

00:27:18.960 Yes.

00:27:19.060 Yes.

00:27:19.340 I was.

00:27:19.680 So first of all.

00:27:21.020 I'm sorry that people were treating you some type of way.

00:27:24.160 Back then.

00:27:24.400 So sweet.

00:27:24.800 You don't have to apologize to me.

00:27:26.020 I would love to show you how MAGA folks treat me.

00:27:30.440 It's happening both ways.

00:27:32.640 Well now it is.

00:27:33.380 Yeah of course.

00:27:33.840 But it wasn't like.

00:27:34.480 I'm older than you.

00:27:35.080 I'm like 40.

00:27:35.780 Right.

00:27:35.920 No.

00:27:36.740 It was not the same then.

00:27:38.480 Again.

00:27:38.960 I'm sure there's all these examples.

00:27:40.740 Which I totally acknowledge.

00:27:43.120 Of on either side people being totally out of line.

00:27:46.660 But.

00:27:47.860 The insane rhetoric about.

00:27:50.040 As an example.

00:27:51.360 The.

00:27:51.880 The tool that the anti-gay marriage article.

00:27:54.560 Argument was for so long.

00:27:56.260 The demonization of gay people.

00:27:57.360 Now it's all.

00:27:58.220 This tiny percent of the population.

00:27:59.480 Trans people are the biggest issue ever.

00:28:01.060 And we're going to fear and mongrel constantly.

00:28:02.640 Is that the biggest issue ever?

00:28:03.700 Or like I don't know if you want to be trans.

00:28:05.140 But my point is.

00:28:05.680 My point is that for that.

00:28:08.360 You're just expressing your view.

00:28:09.780 Right.

00:28:10.000 No.

00:28:10.260 We're just.

00:28:10.780 That's not hateful.

00:28:11.660 Or the stuff that I get on to Isabella for saying that is super hateful.

00:28:15.240 And going after people based on their identity.

00:28:17.400 That is not hate or political attacks to you.

00:28:21.340 But then whenever people respond and are upset with you for having that ideology.

00:28:24.800 Now it's oh I'm the one being victimized.

00:28:27.340 I don't think we really care about that.

00:28:28.720 But another thing another thing I want to point out is this idea that you can't really

00:28:32.440 be conservative out in the public.

00:28:33.740 When I when Trump won the first time I was in college and they literally shut down all

00:28:37.200 classes.

00:28:38.500 All classes were shut down.

00:28:39.480 There were major just like protests like riots in this major college campus University

00:28:43.580 of Massachusetts Amherst.

00:28:44.680 Very liberal.

00:28:45.600 It's like that doesn't happen when a Democrat wins.

00:28:47.280 So what does that signal to conservatives like me on campus?

00:28:49.420 You need to shut up.

00:28:50.520 Don't say that you support Trump.

00:28:51.520 What do you mean that doesn't happen when Democrats win?

00:28:53.180 And this is a really big thing.

00:28:54.360 It means it doesn't happen when Democrats win.

00:28:56.240 I would much rather even though I don't want to eat.

00:28:59.160 I didn't even hear what you said.

00:29:00.460 You said at college there was riots.

00:29:02.520 Yes there was riots.

00:29:03.500 But they shut down all classes because Trump won.

00:29:05.560 Because of riots.

00:29:06.040 It's needed mental health.

00:29:06.820 No no they had safe spaces.

00:29:08.600 Trying to riot.

00:29:09.800 You said that doesn't happen when Democrats win.

00:29:11.800 To block the certification of an election would be a little bit more destructive than

00:29:15.220 rioting at a college.

00:29:15.740 Okay let's talk about that.

00:29:16.820 You have that one individual instance.

00:29:18.460 Oh you want me to explain why?

00:29:19.580 No no I don't want you to explain why.

00:29:21.000 I want you to talk about another time that there were riots when a Democrat won.

00:29:24.160 So right wing political violence.

00:29:25.200 You can look it up.

00:29:26.520 Is more prevalent.

00:29:27.620 This is not true at all.

00:29:28.780 Google it.

00:29:28.920 Google it.

00:29:29.560 All of the riots that happened during 2020.

00:29:32.760 Those were not right wing riots.

00:29:34.280 Those were left wing violence.

00:29:35.500 Correct.

00:29:35.660 The people that were murdered by leftists.

00:29:38.460 That was not right wing violence.

00:29:40.240 That was left wing violence.

00:29:41.040 The CEO that was just.

00:29:43.180 The CEO that was just murdered.

00:29:46.120 The other day in New York.

00:29:47.920 Was not because of right wing violence.

00:29:50.140 What about the people.

00:29:51.200 What about Steve Scalise getting shot.

00:29:52.840 My boss was there that day.

00:29:54.280 They specifically said.

00:29:55.240 Yeah.

00:29:55.720 Steve Scalise.

00:29:56.520 They specifically said this is for health care.

00:29:58.760 Rand Paul getting attacked on his neighbor.

00:30:00.700 I have.

00:30:01.380 I know.

00:30:02.540 Probably when this gets uploaded we'll know more about that.

00:30:04.780 I haven't heard yet the political motivation.

00:30:06.560 I don't care what his political motivation is.

00:30:07.940 There's plenty of other.

00:30:08.700 It's likely that it was anti.

00:30:10.320 It was it was it was it was an anti-capitalist type kind of thing because of the the writing

00:30:15.120 on the bullet casings that he had denied.

00:30:17.120 And I know that would be horrible.

00:30:19.060 Right.

00:30:19.320 I mean it was horrible no matter what the motivation was.

00:30:21.240 But the thing that y'all have a hard time getting your head around is the difference

00:30:25.180 between these examples that get focused a lot and focus a lot on availability and actual

00:30:31.180 studies that study this to look at the studies are like this.

00:30:33.860 They're like the studies are OK.

00:30:35.300 Is this that this person ever say anything hateful about black people and then all of

00:30:39.980 a sudden.

00:30:40.360 No authorities.

00:30:40.820 Black people.

00:30:41.420 Then it's a crime.

00:30:42.240 It's not the same.

00:30:43.240 Authorities.

00:30:43.820 Authorities.

00:30:44.340 You believe.

00:30:44.800 We go through a process to figure out what the motivation obviously what the motive of

00:30:48.380 a murder or an assault was.

00:30:50.380 And if they have evidence that it was politically motivated then it's classified that then we

00:30:54.800 categorize and we learn that oh left wing violence is far less prevalent.

00:30:57.520 Do you have any example.

00:30:58.600 Do you have any examples.

00:30:59.600 I would love to explain.

00:31:00.800 Can you articulate what they what anyone means by left by right wing violence.

00:31:05.140 Like when when you when you hear when you hear when you hear the argument or the the

00:31:10.380 the statistics saying oh it's right wing violence.

00:31:12.440 Can you articulate what they mean by right wing violence motive not by violence.

00:31:17.980 I'm I'm you articulate can you articulate what the right wing what the right way what

00:31:23.080 the the motivation was that falls under right wing.

00:31:27.280 So when I when I like so when I say like being associated with for example white supremacist

00:31:32.600 attacks.

00:31:33.740 Right.

00:31:34.120 I agree.

00:31:34.700 Well there how frequently are white supremacist attacks going on.

00:31:38.260 I'm assuming that's why you're bringing this up is because you're going to dispute them

00:31:40.440 either.

00:31:41.060 OK.

00:31:41.160 No listen if you're going to ask a question so I'm explaining that I agree whenever I

00:31:47.680 start going through and explaining what the different instances of right wing violence

00:31:51.040 might be it might be anti government from a right wing perspective it might be a racist

00:31:56.140 driven attacks you're going to go well that's not right wing that's just crazy and but the

00:32:00.860 same thing happens on the left if it's anything that's left of center as an ideology they

00:32:03.960 categorize as a left wing attack do you think it's like how I don't associate with people

00:32:07.100 who looted during black lives matter you know okay well here's a question though but that

00:32:11.420 doesn't dispute at all what I'm saying do you think that the the riots that were happening

00:32:15.560 during black lives matter do you think those count as left wing violence yeah the people

00:32:19.980 who yeah of course okay so how many instances of right wing violence well let me clarify

00:32:23.880 people who got violent who were doing it on behalf of left like they were doing it to

00:32:29.700 send a message about how stuff is messed up with police or something those would be categorized

00:32:34.760 as such a lot of people who were committing crimes though just knew there were going to be

00:32:38.300 a lot of um protests and so they sort of took advantage of the moment that happens every time

00:32:42.600 there's unrest people will go and loot and they're not a part of the political ideology at all

00:32:47.160 uh but what how many largely would you consider let me ask my question you think that it's

00:32:51.320 likely the people that were looting were conservatives what I said do you think it's like

00:32:56.080 some might be apolitical some might be people were taking advantage of the situation one's

00:32:59.880 rioting over george floyd's if anyone was rioting you're not even even trying to hear what

00:33:05.640 I'm saying I'm admitting people who committed violence on behalf of a left-wing ideology then

00:33:12.140 should be categorized as left-wing extremists who committed left-wing violence which they will be

00:33:16.380 and that's still not as prevalent not even close to uh right-wing political my turn okay my turn

00:33:22.120 that's not my opinion I'm just talking about the research on that you're talking about

00:33:25.580 research I want you to name for me three instances that you can think of three separate instances

00:33:30.500 of right-wing political violence okay three the uh mark kelly's wife who's mark kelly the arizona

00:33:41.060 senator i mean who that is yeah what happened that and oh that was when that was when and then wait

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00:35:15.300 pursuant to an operating agreement with i gaming ontario oh see that that was that was january 6

00:35:20.840 but all pelosi january's and then january as a few examples wasn't actually let's get to that

00:35:26.440 because you think you're being really smug about this do you understand why it's bad to try to block

00:35:30.280 the peaceful transfer power okay no hold on i'm smug about this because not because you don't care

00:35:35.400 about maintaining the core process i don't know anything about what i care about so i don't know

00:35:41.060 where your tone makes it very clear you don't care that my tone comes from the fact that you had

00:35:46.200 continue bringing up january 6th over and over and over and over it's not just about that day

00:35:50.880 would you like me to explain it to you yes whenever someone loses an election and doesn't have any

00:35:55.780 overwhelming evidence or any evidence at all of outcome determinative voter fraud and then

00:36:00.960 justifies and i can't wait for you to pull the thing that i know you're going to pull up

00:36:04.140 every person thinks they're going to do what i'm saying by pulling it up and i'll say it doesn't

00:36:08.220 at all refute it but then you go through multiple allegedly illegal schemes that now he's not going

00:36:13.440 to be prosecuted for because he's becoming president but to block the peaceful transfer power just forget

00:36:17.800 january 6th for a second the fake elector scheme that she wanted to talk about is an example of him

00:36:22.920 trying to get unlawful people who did sign forms saying we're the lawful electors and then he was

00:36:28.700 pressuring mike pence to accept those as the real electorate so that trump could stay president

00:36:33.700 despite losing the election going through the the the details about the january 6th the things that

00:36:39.900 led up to january 6th the the illegal actions that led up to january 6th as opposed to the political

00:36:45.140 violence so you're bringing up the bat right so when you talk why do you keep bringing up i'm explaining

00:36:50.120 it's actually not just about the violence the more consequential democratically thing i have a question

00:36:54.820 is uh the illegal schemes or or trying to get the uh brad raffensperger yes this is what i want to

00:37:00.240 talk about yeah she's about to intellectually commit right-wing violence how many so so you're having a

00:37:04.400 problem with democrats um a not admitting the election like hillary clinton did say that the

00:37:10.600 election was stolen she always says russia russia russia russia illegitimate right and then we had

00:37:16.020 actual members of congress just do you want to explain or can i just explain why that's why that's not at

00:37:20.900 all why is it not the same i'm not bringing up even though i think it was vile because they were doing it

00:37:24.580 because of lies i'm not bringing up the fact that senators objected or congress people objected the

00:37:29.160 results that actually is a power they have in congress i'm talking about fraudulent electors

00:37:33.760 the fact that that distinction is not one that y'all understand there's semantics

00:37:37.440 semantics what are you saying what are you saying it's okay for democrats okay object to election

00:37:43.680 results let me explain the electoral college to you so this you're talking about the certification

00:37:48.320 of the electoral count correct we got you're saying political violence not because of procedural stuff

00:37:53.980 that's not what you're talking about which one would you like me to address we got here because

00:37:57.380 of political violence and you moved it to procedure multiple times have taken shots about my fixation

00:38:02.680 on january 6 which i'm fixated so that's why i want to talk about it and to your point you're

00:38:07.460 talking about whenever members of congress which is a part of their constitutional authority it's bad

00:38:12.700 to wield that authority when you don't have a basis to but they do have the ability to object to the

00:38:17.740 electoral count the constituents on january 6th were asking their representatives lord to do that

00:38:23.240 that's what that was okay and i haven't brought up once members of congress uh objecting why do you

00:38:28.480 think the people were there the people were wanting their elected members to do that they're asking them

00:38:32.700 that's why they're protesting you're mixed you're completely mixing up two completely different

00:38:36.740 things altogether that is the electoral count being certified i'm talking about a president getting

00:38:45.040 people to assert themselves as the electors the actual electors not let's dispute the certification

00:38:52.700 of the election but let's get illegal electors counted as the electoral college please tell me

00:38:58.920 that separation makes sense that makes sense but okay that's what trump tried to do that's not what

00:39:03.080 he tried to do it is so overwhelmingly that he doesn't even deny it he no he's asking people he said

00:39:10.540 this was a fraudulent election and and and no stop bringing up congress i'm saying i'm not saying that

00:39:15.440 individuals who've been prosecuted in certain states for being fraudulent electors they literally signed

00:39:20.820 forms saying i am the dutifully elected elector from the state of wisconsin and he asked people to do

00:39:25.320 that that's what you're saying he got them where where's the evidence and then what do you think

00:39:28.320 he wanted mike pence to do what do you think he wanted mike pence to do you want mike pence to do

00:39:31.540 read two indictments that's where the evidence is he wants he wants him to assert his power like congress

00:39:36.280 and not and not certify the election he wanted mike he has the ability to say he was counting

00:39:41.200 the non-electors that weren't lawfully sent by the states let let me say random people do you know

00:39:47.840 how many do you know it's crazy y'all are okay with that imagine that's what biden started doing

00:39:51.840 wait a minute are you were you understand wait a minute is that crazy i'm fascinated by the fact

00:39:56.180 that this this are this conversation has turned to january 6th wait were you i will talk about this

00:40:02.000 every time until y'all admit you will try to block the peaceful transfer power is bad yes

00:40:06.380 will you admit that boarding up the wall because yes i will one particular thing that you we were

00:40:12.000 talking about political violence and now we've turned we've trained from political violence that

00:40:17.720 on the left versus the right to procedure about january 6th yeah procedure oh okay let's just let's

00:40:25.880 all take a breath together first you cannot change the you're you're trying to deflect the fact

00:40:31.100 that you went from we were talking about violence and you changed you are the one who brought up

00:40:34.800 january 6th when i alluded to that violence because no you're the one that brought up january 6th

00:40:39.420 because she asked you for three options and i gave one of them was january 6th and so we talked we

00:40:43.840 started i think that's the violence and one of the most notable and then you said well no let's talk

00:40:47.480 about the illegal actions of president trump yeah all right wait time out that's changing the subject

00:40:53.880 from political violence i said do you want to i said procedure that was i'm gonna i'm gonna you know why

00:40:58.920 though because you went all you can think about january 6th sorry i don't want to do your voice

00:41:02.480 that's that's silly uh and and i went and i was he has to do that because we know that that left-wing

00:41:07.200 political violence is way more prevalent than the right wing that's why that's why i stopped talking

00:41:12.260 we have a physical transition of conversation to move on from that fact i know you were looking up

00:41:16.300 earlier can you show them the research on political violence because y'all keep really having a

00:41:22.400 difficult i want to see how they determine it anyway the two things that he mentioned before hold on a

00:41:27.180 second but we can name 30 you can barely name three hold on anyway wait i don't care about the

00:41:31.420 anecdotes i care about the thing hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on hey hold on the three

00:41:36.260 things that he mentioned right so there was the mark kelly's uh mark kelly's wife i forget what her

00:41:40.280 name was um where she was shot right um and then there was paul pelosi paul pelosi yep both of those

00:41:47.120 people they were as much as as much as he's going to say they were politically motivated it was it's likely

00:41:53.080 that they were not politically motivated in the same way are you actually kidding in this in the

00:41:57.880 stop stop stop stop the guy literally said i need to i need to make nancy pelosi answer stop for the

00:42:04.800 stolen election he literally said that stop what do you think that comes from stop lover paul pelosi

00:42:10.760 the the the paul pelosi's attacker and the other uh the other person i believe they were in their

00:42:16.240 under he was in his underwear or something so they were they were both mentally ill people

00:42:21.020 if they were politically motivated they were not politically they were not politically active

00:42:26.260 people that were that were involved in consistent um you know consistent political activities they

00:42:34.100 were both they were both wrong they were both absolutely wrong and they were both they both did

00:42:39.000 make remarks about politics but when you say that the the right is is more responsible for political

00:42:46.080 violence that's ignoring things like all of the bombings in the 70s by the by the weather underground

00:42:52.240 right the the multiple times that the two times in the 80s that congress itself was bombed the two

00:42:58.000 times that congress itself was bombed in the 80s that that that bill clinton went and uh let me know

00:43:04.880 when i can respond well the point that i'm making is you're saying that oh it's political violence when

00:43:11.460 you're dealing with individuals right that are you know obviously they're bad condemn it and they did

00:43:17.380 make remarks about politics but that's not the same thing as these things don't rise to the level of

00:43:23.060 an entire summer of political violence the murders that have happened by people on the left destroyed

00:43:29.540 like cities destroyed because who wants to move to a city included in the studies i'm talking but i also

00:43:33.720 want to point out that violence is just way more accepted on the left for example and i put this clip

00:43:38.740 as like the second link on the doc i sent you if we want to pull it up nick fuentes is banned off

00:43:42.420 so many things he doesn't actually literally say like you you should die and all these he makes

00:43:46.940 jokes and stuff but he destiny was dead serious he's still fine he's still on every single platform

00:43:51.320 because it's okay you can call for literal death as long as you're a left winger that's true okay it's

00:43:56.040 true can i just have like a little bit of just a little gap of time to quickly go through a couple

00:44:00.540 take it away luke don't let anybody interrupt first of all i totally agree

00:44:04.420 disgusting the destiny said that yes uh also i would love to explain at some point my framework

00:44:10.040 of random people online versus people in positions of power and the difference there that i agree

00:44:15.480 anyone across the pool spectrum advocating for violence would be bad uh to your point i i don't

00:44:21.180 know how to i don't really know where to go other than saying i've researched this over and over

00:44:26.020 and every time this is analyzed it just is the case even with the instances you're talking about

00:44:30.320 which i oppose uh that right-wing political violence is is more prevalent but then on why

00:44:35.860 i focus so much on january 6th and the trying to block the peaceful transfer power you did reference

00:44:40.500 you're obsessed with that which is why i want to explain why i'm obsessed with it because i don't

00:44:43.940 think any policy issue matters if we don't all agree on our democratic process and that's what trump

00:44:50.180 disputed trump actually thinks he should have had just gotten a second term even though he lost

00:44:53.780 election that's super anti-democratic the illegal schemes that we're having a difficult time

00:44:57.300 apparently understanding um are the ones that i'm pointing to to justify that and then is there

00:45:02.160 anything else that i should have an address from what you said let me just interact and then i would

00:45:05.560 love to talk about the political um rhetoric violence so let me just say something so what the data

00:45:10.200 that you're talking about that you researched are can you be honest about what the time frame was

00:45:14.720 because the time frame is between 1948 and 2022 that they were looking at it so we're not talking

00:45:20.320 about we're talking about political violence on the right that it was islamic extremists then it was

00:45:25.480 the right wing and then it was the left wing and that's over that broad span of time that's not

00:45:30.660 talking they like they they never broke it down into the the these recent years right since like 2008

00:45:37.280 and above like if you look at the data that's what they're looking at it says it here two years ago

00:45:42.020 i've seen all sorts of different time from four universities examined court records and other data

00:45:48.360 relating to 3 500 extremists um active events in the u.s between 1948 and 2022 and that's when they said

00:45:55.240 that they were split into three groups left wing right wing and related to islamic extremism um

00:46:00.540 and it said uh that the the most extremist was the right wing and then they they came in the left

00:46:07.520 wing came in a distant third and so when they're talking about like oh we have to be concerned about

00:46:12.700 left wing political violence they're they're talking about like over this like broad or do you mean

00:46:16.720 right wing political violence right wing right okay but they're talking about over this broad span of time

00:46:20.320 but if you look at it like we can name the summer of love there was a riot every whatever we can

00:46:25.880 we have nobody talks about um the church right and trump having to go into a bunker like that that's

00:46:31.320 fine by the left we can talk about we can't talk about the you're not aware of that that you don't

00:46:36.360 know i remember when he went to the bunker yeah right when he went into bunker and they were

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00:48:07.420 the building across from say everybody says it was saint john's church but it was like actually the

00:48:10.880 building across the street that they did right um yeah you're not yeah but we're not we're not

00:48:14.580 talking about the shooting on i am i am talking about all those things let me keep going we're not

00:48:18.880 talking about the shooting well in general i'm talking the left in general seems to all social media

00:48:23.340 echo chamber is not going to contextualize the the stories you're talking about what context is

00:48:29.880 needed that they're like burning down buildings they're no that's not what i'm saying congressmen

00:48:34.080 are getting assaulted left and right right i'm just saying i don't really want to go off of

00:48:37.740 like the yeah and i oppose all of what happened like it's more prevalent like you can't in your

00:48:42.760 social media that's why we have in america research institutions so we can figure out if it's

00:48:49.300 just a live or if it's real institutions that back up whatever they want to say they can why do you

00:48:53.400 think they went back to 1948 right why do you think they you're talking about one go find any

00:48:57.800 other no this is the one that everybody quotes ap right you think one institution has no no they

00:49:03.540 used four institutions this is what this is saying so this is an ap article debunking the

00:49:08.400 heritage foundation leader was wrong to say that most of the violence is committed by the left and

00:49:12.260 they're they're they're all that their ap is citing over and over again are these studies these

00:49:17.100 four studies that they did that's what the whole left-wing media relies on is these it's not true

00:49:21.580 okay okay well then yeah find something that you pull it up but like that's where the the statistics

00:49:27.080 come from them analyzing these 3500 instances of political violence and so you have chas occupation

00:49:33.660 right you have um like we could just name them all at the top of our heads but you know you named me

00:49:40.120 three and the one was like barely anything but like you can't name 15 like i'm doing right like it is

00:49:46.300 that and you can't yeah so this one every night for months literally like one google don't get

00:49:52.220 obsessed with this because it's just the first thing that popped up um this one is not any of the

00:49:56.300 ones you referenced um what's it relying national institute of justice and this is since 1990 so

00:50:01.880 this is much more recent 1990 to 2020 wherever 2021 um maybe you could link it in the doc

00:50:09.640 and it's the same thing i don't know why it's fuck we can all just be like hey it happens

00:50:14.940 right-wing violence is more prevalent it is we're we're disputing that we're disputing that

00:50:19.900 the only thing oh my gosh it's welcome to social media you're not going to be shown it because you

00:50:25.180 don't want that no no you can't name it you can't okay i'll give you more examples please don't i want

00:50:30.380 you to need anecdotes so badly instead of just accepting data but fine fine so i can't give you

00:50:35.940 the particular names of the shooters but uh more often than not when there's a politically motivated

00:50:41.260 mass shooting it's a right-wing one it's against that's not true what about the one at that christian

00:50:44.980 school the trans they're activists definitely mass shootings are way more committed by the left i

00:50:49.400 think a lot of people find this really interesting the way that y'all's brains are working because

00:50:52.200 it's just going well what about this i don't deny those happened that's part of what's studied

00:50:56.980 our brains are overwhelmingly left wing you you're saying you need examples so i just gave you a lot of

00:51:02.220 the ones that i know y'all have covered on the show i'm sure that were um right-wing politically

00:51:07.500 motivated that were racist for example would be calculated on the other and then there are

00:51:12.920 left-wing political violence would you say that anything that's a racist that's a racist killing

00:51:17.800 is is automatically if it were premised on a right-wing idea like white supremacy is the please

00:51:23.280 please this is why i'm saying this is the most i mean i'm asking and i'm giving you i didn't know

00:51:27.900 if you were about to say all the white supremacy is i didn't i wasn't about to say anything at all

00:51:32.040 cool great well then yeah uh if it's a right-wing version racism whereas if it were someone who was

00:51:38.220 like a um a palestinian advocate who then crossed over and was anti-semitic and right that would be

00:51:44.880 left-wing right okay we agree there yeah oh here let me see do y'all want to say this who can i send

00:51:51.340 this to you you can just put it in the doc if you're on it i think we all have the same one so

00:51:56.160 we can all see that beautiful beautiful beautiful so anything else on that i know we have more to

00:52:02.940 talk about god we are we're all i feel so bad because we're all jumping over each other to get

00:52:06.800 at you you're totally outnumbered and i actually it's fun i'm sympathetic for some reason no we have

00:52:11.320 on the pitbull we have to give him some credit like coming he's pretty much doing a three-on-one

00:52:14.960 debate so it's yeah it's pretty why don't why don't we talk about that right yeah so the fact that

00:52:20.640 the the left has become oh wait can we can we pause before we go to that yeah

00:52:25.740 super important we have to make the distinction between like the leader of a movement versus

00:52:31.900 random people in the movement because when you divide the country into two sides there's going

00:52:35.160 to be lunatics on both sides so destiny is a good example of the stuff about him not caring if people

00:52:39.860 died at rallies insane but that's not the same as biden saying that or harris saying that but wait

00:52:44.380 but trump actually participated in the mocking of paul pelosi's attack so there's a difference in

00:52:49.320 democrats and positions of power aren't going to mock examples of uh attacks against right-wing

00:52:54.060 politicians but right-wing politicians have been mocking that's a lie to that point to that

00:52:58.400 to that point she mocked no i'm gonna put this but she's participating by saying you need to go out

00:53:05.680 i'd rather i'd rather and i don't i didn't like what she said that by the way but also beyond that

00:53:10.600 biden himself standing in uh standing up and saying that uh maga republicans are a threat to the very

00:53:17.380 soul of our country saying that the reason that he that he ran was because of the threat of white

00:53:22.960 nationalism because of charlottesville saying that the re saying that uh that americans are garbage

00:53:28.080 these are three things immediately walked that back it does i don't i don't care i didn't ask if

00:53:32.840 he walked it back i don't trump hasn't walked back calling people vermin and saying that they're the

00:53:37.140 enemy from within i don't care we you made a remark about trump and i and i acknowledged it and i i

00:53:42.960 didn't try to try to i didn't try to say that i apologize the point that i'm making is you can't

00:53:48.880 say that oh your guy does this and say that democrats don't when i just immediately listed

00:53:54.300 off three none of those examples were mocking political violence here this is mocking the

00:53:59.180 donald trump didn't mock uh pelosi it was his son did his son did but donald trump didn't pull it up

00:54:06.840 hold on just look up trump paul pelosi like on twitter i mocked it i mocked it yeah that's disgusting

00:54:12.760 yeah i did you know i did feel bad for him i did feel bad for him is funny to you no no no i didn't

00:54:18.340 mock that i just mocked that that's not what that was actually not the part that i mocked i mocked that

00:54:22.620 she's like for no borders and she has this like insane security system and a wall built around her

00:54:26.440 house and somehow magically this guy got in that's the part i was mocking so the the the left does

00:54:31.600 i don't want to see anybody hurt if you want to say that trump does bad things i can absolutely agree

00:54:36.120 with that there's i'm i'm not a trump guy like i voted for trump but i'm not like a maga guy i didn't i

00:54:42.180 didn't vote for trump in 2020 but um to say that it's only one side which is what it strongly feels

00:54:48.660 like you're implying uh i i would take issue with that and that's the reason that i push back on it

00:54:53.100 because it's not that only clarify then definitely not just one side that's why i'm saying what we

00:54:58.400 could discuss until we're blue in the face the examples of extreme people on both sides which is

00:55:03.360 definitely prevalent because it's difficult to know what's relevant within a really vast social media

00:55:08.380 ecosystem i like to focus on people in positions of power so when i compare biden and trump i don't

00:55:13.340 see the equivalency in the way they treat political okay so let's let's watch this real quick but that's

00:55:17.900 all i want to say about that we can move on tell him that's this last one oh wait did that will the

00:55:21.520 link still click yeah yeah uh oh well the clip you can press or just yeah yeah but just it's a one

00:55:27.180 it's real quick i think this is the right one what are you doing here i'm gonna show i'm gonna show

00:55:31.940 him something because he said leaders don't do this it's not biden it's not biden it's everybody no

00:55:36.460 oh is it a montage yeah i think i just oh here we go don't i wish i were debating him

00:55:41.840 no i wish you're in high school i could take him behind the gym

00:55:44.860 me that's what i wish okay keep going i said no i said oh wait this is i don't want to spite him but

00:55:49.780 there's i think there's maxine's on here no i i i Hillary's on her yeah they're all there aren't

00:55:53.540 uprisings all of the country maybe there will be that you cannot be civil with a political party that

00:55:59.880 wants to destroy what you stand for what you care about

00:56:04.320 if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant in a department store at a gasoline station

00:56:12.720 you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them

00:56:19.260 so i think i think the point i think the point i haven't heard her say

00:56:22.120 unrest in the streets for as long as there's unrest in our lives enemies of the state show

00:56:27.060 me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful insane so please get up in

00:56:32.800 the face of some congress people but the i think this hey kellen i think this doesn't stop i think

00:56:37.880 we made like the point's been made yeah but that's it is what i'm saying it is they're your elected

00:56:42.600 leaders saying okay democrat leaders don't call for violence it's only republicans point proven wrong

00:56:48.640 yeah i i do want to move on i do want to move because like i said i think yeah i think that i

00:56:53.580 think that the point has been made that both sides do it and it's something that we have to condemn

00:56:58.020 but yes so i think we need i want to talk about the fact that the left is now seems to be more open

00:57:06.020 to discussing um politics in general when and i think it's since the the election of donald trump

00:57:14.340 um for a long time it was don't engage don't give them if you engage with them they'll don't

00:57:21.080 actually yeah don't platform them right you're you're going to give them credibility and uh and

00:57:25.540 so i want to know your thoughts on that do you believe that it's that there is a change or do you

00:57:29.760 think that it's that this is kind of something that the left has always done and that we are

00:57:34.240 misrepresenting or misunderstanding reality oh uh definitely there's an issue i don't want to

00:57:41.080 overgeneralize there's always been people on the left who will engage but i totally agree there's

00:57:45.300 been a deficit of that and one of the things that infuriates me about the feedback we've received to

00:57:50.560 our show the grudge you can find it on luke beasley um on the channel that isabel and i are doing is a

00:57:55.780 lot of people if you get upset at something i'm saying or she's saying understandable i'm constantly

00:58:00.680 upset at what she's saying he cries a lot a lot of the feedback is the fact that we're even talking

00:58:06.400 you know and it's oh why that's from your side now our side will be yeah from our side it'll be

00:58:10.420 like oh wow he came on at least thankfully he came on they don't they don't discourage us from

00:58:15.680 talking to the left okay and it's definitely an issue with my side that i'm addressing here um

00:58:21.580 because i engage with them more often and for a long time especially with trump now winning the

00:58:27.040 second time i don't know how you make the argument if we ignore the ideology it goes away

00:58:30.840 insane uh so that's actually really upsetting me my hope is that more people will do this because

00:58:38.060 you know my belief is that we have the facts on our side so why not bring it out there and then the

00:58:43.200 idea that that you support an ideology by shining light on it i get that there are certain things you

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00:58:56.340 good at debating but you just throw yourself into a vaccine debate but you're not ready for someone

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01:00:35.700 at least i don't i don't know why people make the don't platform argument that's strange yeah my thing

01:00:39.920 is is that i actually think that the i think that you're like if you're worried about right-wing

01:00:44.640 extremism i feel like the left actually made people more extreme by isolating them so i feel like i have

01:00:52.540 shifted from like a more libertarian mindset to a very far right ideology like and that has been

01:00:59.480 within the last five ten years right like five years more five years right five six years i've

01:01:05.000 definitely made a hard right-wing turn and i really feel like that is because i like that the left

01:01:11.600 radicalized me and i feel like if you i i would even say that i'm i'm slightly radicalized and it's

01:01:16.660 because we were demonized ostracized don't talk to them don't platform them don't whatever like i was

01:01:22.400 saying earlier on and and you know if you stop having these conversations with people you will

01:01:27.960 radical the radicalize the other side that's why even as much as i want to like torment the left right

01:01:31.840 now which i do like i don't ever want to stop these conversations because i don't think they're

01:01:36.580 product productive and i don't think we're ever going to meet anywhere to like make this country like

01:01:41.440 at least a little more sane yeah and even separate from uh morally or intellectually just strategically

01:01:49.680 one of the things that i was reading was that one of the reasons harris didn't do an interview with

01:01:54.020 joe rogan was she was progressive staffers of hers were afraid of progressive backlash to talking with

01:01:59.720 him and there's a there's this whole um one of my friends calls it the brosphere podcast arena that

01:02:07.480 we just haven't entered at all in part because we have a fear of i think i guess um of engaging with

01:02:14.620 certain people and then people go why are you talking to them you're you're normalizing them

01:02:18.000 which is like their platform is bigger than most people the funny thing is is that like they were

01:02:21.880 lefty people like rogan yeah like rogan was earning we lost rogan yeah you did you can look at you can

01:02:27.540 look at the trump administration and all of the people that everybody was most excited about used to be

01:02:32.460 democrats rfk right elon musk um tulsi gabbard tulsi gabbard donald trump these are all people

01:02:38.520 that in the aughts were democrats right normal democrats like establishment democrats and they've

01:02:44.040 been you know run out of the democrat party the progressives yeah by the progressives that's why

01:02:48.540 i asked earlier you know before i was like do you consider yourself a democrat do you consider

01:02:52.000 yourself a progressive because i think that there is a a distinction in the democrat party and

01:02:56.600 there's there's probably going to be some kind of serious civil war in the democrat party and i think

01:03:01.240 that people that like yourself that will go to other outlets and and and present your views um

01:03:09.680 to other people to listen to and actually debate the ideas i think that you are likely going to win

01:03:15.080 i think that the progressives that are like don't go in and and engage at all i think that they're gonna

01:03:21.260 become fewer and fewer um at least that's my hope uh so you know kudos yeah stuff with the distinction

01:03:27.280 too i just want to make in case people don't know my my ideology is like on a lot of economic

01:03:32.040 policy a lot of policies i'm really progressive the way we used to use that term now it's associated

01:03:36.580 with something in some cases that uh is a little icky like i don't think it's a progressive view to

01:03:43.220 think you shouldn't go engage with other ideologies but maybe some of the people who yeah people we would

01:03:47.440 consider that a left-wing progressive that's whack because my experience too is the i feel like

01:03:54.180 to your point i've made people less extreme by just talking with them right in my personal life

01:03:59.600 now this will be a little bit more debatey which sometimes is harder to make progress but in longer

01:04:04.200 form more passive discussions people are open to hearing unless like you said they feel isolated

01:04:10.520 i feel like like the let like i if i walk into a place and i know it's like left-wing people i

01:04:16.740 actually feel like they hate me like they hate me even my neighbors like my neighbors hang like a gay

01:04:22.480 pride trans flag outside their house right they know i'm super conservative right they don't say

01:04:27.620 hi to me that i say hi how are you nothing right like i feel the hatred coming from them more than

01:04:35.920 like so now i hang a street pride flag up right so like fine i wasn't going to go there right but now

01:04:42.620 that you have treated response right like like i feel like i'm constantly responding to how i've been

01:04:48.480 treated so like it's a it's a very reactive thing it's so interesting because that's how i think most

01:04:52.720 people on the left feel really see i don't even want my husband wearing a maga hat in a restaurant

01:04:57.560 because i don't want someone spitting in my food right i literally have that fear and i know that

01:05:02.060 people were walking around their biden and their kamala hats on but they think everybody else thinks

01:05:05.380 like them and like we're the extreme minority here and they have the moral high ground they think so

01:05:09.180 they're so right you know right they think it's like these random weird they're like we're not the

01:05:14.500 majority like that they feel like they have the ability to act like that like there were people

01:05:19.460 i remember so many of us being afraid to wear like a maga hat around right or a shirt supporting trump

01:05:25.160 but when it was kamala harris i mean they had masks on it said biden harris right it was it was like that

01:05:30.840 was more socially acceptable you didn't feel like walking into a thing if you had a political shirt on

01:05:35.580 on the left that anybody would do anything to your food that you would get kicked out i mean we have felt

01:05:39.920 like that i think yeah i think it depends on where you are a lot of conservatives like to live in really

01:05:43.500 liberal areas um i don't like to live i'm trying to leave but that's where you are but and so then

01:05:48.660 it's that can happen but like when i've gone to really conservative areas i feel uncomfortable

01:05:52.060 if i were wearing something but i do think which the name is kamala by the way oh god but to his

01:05:58.000 point i do think that times the tides are changing like even if you saw after the election aoc posted an

01:06:03.080 instagram story and she said hey like to my voters who voted for me and also trump why i i genuinely want

01:06:09.180 to know why you did that and that did happen which is not the case in the past like before it'd be like

01:06:13.120 i don't know if she would say you're disgusting people but you know why would you do that but

01:06:16.580 it's interesting that she's putting that on her platform then you even see chink or as i like to

01:06:20.740 call him chunky chunky yogurt and anna kasparian now they're kind of warming up to the idea and

01:06:25.200 they're warming up right and their audience is starting to turn on them and it's very interesting

01:06:29.380 and then also joe scarborough on morning joe him and his wife was calling trump hitler for years

01:06:34.280 and then trump wins and they go have dinner but if he's really hitler wouldn't you not feel safe having

01:06:38.100 dinner with him at his house but they pointed to historical references about rhetoric because we

01:06:43.760 should learn from history not to make oh the liberals let me use a lot of words all this whole

01:06:50.760 thing about oh everyone called him hitler it's like guys chill he obviously exhibits fascistic

01:06:56.300 tendencies can we just acknowledge it you like it though all right i don't know what trying to

01:07:00.520 he's more democrat than i'd want him to be he's right yeah he's not he didn't what i think yes

01:07:05.000 there that is something that you hear a lot on the right is is the the right says please let trump

01:07:10.480 be the uh what they want oritarian that the democrats think that he is what did you say

01:07:15.400 before we started i can't speak for everyone people have gone too far like i know people call him or

01:07:18.900 hitler and stuff like i've never engaged in that but i i do point to he literally said on true social

01:07:23.440 that we should terminate the constitution okay we know they look it up look it up please we just went

01:07:29.200 over this with jank like it was just a we did a massive fraud of this type of magnitude allows for the

01:07:33.960 that's not nope they broke it down the articles you guys read it one way this is borderline we'll

01:07:38.840 we'll set it we're not going to do this because but my point is okay okay then how do you just

01:07:42.760 your but so but how do you justify literally here's the quote the government should come down hard on

01:07:49.980 them and the them that he was talking about in the post was msnbc that's fascist stuff i don't want

01:07:54.940 i don't want i don't want the conversation to continue to be brought to donald trump and stuff we

01:08:00.020 were god forbid we talk about the most relevant person of politics there are topics that we are

01:08:03.880 going to try to stay to and when we initially started this this was about gen z this particular

01:08:08.660 bit i'm explaining why gen z okay but wait the only reason why i don't support trump that's not

01:08:13.240 what we're talking about though why do you think gen z has actually moved right yeah jank and just so

01:08:17.600 you know i'm not trying to like avoid that topic jank and tim just went over that like like two days

01:08:22.320 ago i was right there and it was like a 30 minute thing so i just don't want to for our audience i don't

01:08:26.080 want to like break that all down again and go through the arguments when they already hash it out so

01:08:29.700 like i'll send you the clip later and if anybody wants to i don't know if jank was able to do a

01:08:33.640 justice i didn't see the clip but it's ridiculous jank did it justice what happens is there's a

01:08:38.760 different reading those ways of it okay but let's but there's all the examples are him saying the

01:08:43.340 press are criminals and stuff like that it's just that is so what so if this is the if this is the

01:08:47.440 case i'm trying to move on i just have to finish the point you said you want me to move on about

01:08:50.640 the thing that you asked about which was uh you were talking about oh i i always like my whole life

01:08:57.040 i have a bunch of uh trump supporters of my family and everything so i'm always listening to the

01:09:00.340 other side and trying to figure out where they're coming from i am curious as a little bit of a

01:09:06.320 hypocrisy check one of the things that's weird is like trump didn't even get a majority he got a

01:09:10.340 plurality he got under 50 percent um so like the majority voted against trump in that sense and he's

01:09:15.440 still legitimate president all of that but in that the barriers in that it has to be like the

01:09:21.820 win the popular vote and now i didn't even get to the key part of the point i just want to make

01:09:24.880 that distinction he won the popular vote he wanted an electoral landslide he won okay for sure but i'm

01:09:30.600 saying i would love to go all right someone wins i'm going to think about not changing my principles

01:09:36.140 if i believe them to be correct because someone won i can think someone incorrectly won which i do in

01:09:40.720 this case but i'm as we do constantly trying to figure out what the other side is thinking okay

01:09:45.280 but y'all didn't apply that when biden won by way more the popular vote right like why didn't y'all go

01:09:52.200 what i'll tell you why because i resonate with with what he'll tell you why because i was in

01:09:55.600 philadelphia right and i actually am an elected committee person in philadelphia right and my

01:10:00.860 mom's a judge of elections so i was actually supposed to be doing those elections and they

01:10:05.720 were literally putting cardboard up on the wall so people could not watch them count the vote right

01:10:11.400 which is the first in history people can always watch no but i'm just saying to you you bring up

01:10:16.380 things and then it's like i need to explain why you're saying that and why it's wrong but then but we

01:10:20.620 had pipes burst we had the little jump and stuff you and and we've had we had shifts to the

01:10:25.500 electoral process that were different that were done judicially but it was shifts that were done

01:10:29.820 that were not whatever we've had we had misinformation running through favoring the democrats always in

01:10:36.600 that like with the with the russia stuff with the uh underbiden underbot all that right so there

01:10:41.920 were lots of things where republicans and you can say you can say they were valid or not they felt

01:10:48.080 they in their hearts right from all this from all this stuff that we see going on that it wasn't

01:10:53.960 like people now say like it wasn't a fair election because the media right and i think that's kind of

01:10:59.320 a cop-out i have i have seen as somebody who has been involved in the electoral process for a long time

01:11:04.580 i have always seen multiple instances of voter fraud happening right and i i have seen it i had some

01:11:11.440 guy that came in he said like with this thing he got dropped off in philly at like right across from

01:11:16.840 head house square and he said he lived on two i forget it was like 13 delancey street well my mom

01:11:21.300 lives at 205 that freaking house didn't exist right and he's got this signed little piece of paper and

01:11:26.340 he's saying he wants to vote he's you're not this person there is no house there you can't say you've

01:11:31.080 lived there when that house number doesn't even exist right and they let him vote right and we were

01:11:35.800 mad about it and and then you have instances of like i don't think that you know this but in

01:11:40.120 delaware county outside of philadelphia they actually have on tape saying that there was an

01:11:44.540 investigation the investigation is still ongoing they haven't settled it where these people were

01:11:48.720 like um we're not going to show them what they did there's all this undercover footage of them

01:11:52.180 actually the guy is admitting to lying and manipulating the votes in delaware county like

01:11:57.380 it's still an ongoing like court case today that they're dealing with it's not been shut out yet

01:12:01.940 so especially in areas like that where i live where there's multiple instances of these things just

01:12:06.960 this one area in these couple areas and the problem too is when they it takes years to sort these

01:12:11.000 things out so it doesn't change anything it takes seven votes seven votes at every precinct okay like

01:12:16.920 in like in philadelphia to change the outcome of an election seven votes in each precinct right but

01:12:23.100 when we total these numbers up people are like oh it's hundreds of thousands of votes and this and

01:12:27.020 that like it's when you really break the numbers down it's a small number of votes in each precinct

01:12:32.300 that that flips that thing so yeah there were ways like you know there wasn't standing there was

01:12:37.880 reasons that these weren't taken up in court so there there people really did feel like the

01:12:44.000 election was stolen and there was nothing we could do about it was like out of our hands why did i

01:12:47.420 even start rambling on about this in the first place what were you talking about right before that

01:12:50.460 oh why y'all won't do introspection but you think we should no i definitely always think i definitely i

01:12:55.960 am very introspective i criticize trump all the time okay would you let me let me explain that's not

01:12:59.860 it would you consider the election of donald trump an introspection considering the fact that like

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01:14:39.200 establishment conservatives would you consider the that the election of donald trump might have been

01:14:43.440 an introspection maybe the right said hey it's not working for us to vote for these people like

01:14:48.820 mitt romney or like john oh i mean yeah trump was more extreme but i that could that's not what

01:14:56.600 i'm saying i'm not saying i'll never do intersection introspection i'm saying that i keep hearing this

01:15:00.600 luke you you must be wrong you must admit that we must be right about things because trump won the

01:15:06.440 popular vote i wouldn't say that there's like a feeling i was responding to one of you making some

01:15:12.500 point about that um my point is that if biden won way by way more which he did um not electorally but

01:15:18.280 you know popular vote it wasn't like y'all went hmm what should we resonate with liberals about now

01:15:23.940 that they've so overwhelmingly it didn't feel legitimate it felt right but i can address that

01:15:28.220 because you went i even sat back to really give you the space to do that um that's because trump

01:15:34.540 was a cry baby he soaked a lot of feelings i'm happy that you would use that word because it was it

01:15:41.640 was feelings and then even his own investigators tried to find the outcome determined to voter fraud

01:15:46.280 and to your point about these different anecdotes in every election always in a country this size

01:15:52.120 you're going to have specific cases of people engaging in fraud right i could do the same thing

01:15:57.020 i could go find and i've seen the stories of somebody in pennsylvania yeah of mega folks engaging in voter

01:16:04.280 fraud i could pretend like that's representative of a bigger problem than it is i could not cite the

01:16:08.540 actual studies that prove it's not i could not cite the actual court cases or the investigations done by

01:16:12.520 i can cite those things too i'm saying that there was i'm gonna i'm gonna finish i'm gonna finish

01:16:16.740 this and so the reason those cases were hyper fixated on even though they weren't representative

01:16:23.100 of a big problem even trump's own administration officials were like we're we looked into it for

01:16:26.820 them we're trying to find the fraud it's just not there oh in any outcome determinative way and

01:16:31.640 so then not that it's not there it's hard they can't prove it

01:16:34.780 yeah let him finish his thing okay okay the reason why people also don't feel like it was

01:16:40.920 right that trump won but we just don't internalize that by claiming it was all rigged about 2016

01:16:47.340 russia collusion okay so let me just explain so let me just see let me just show you something just

01:16:50.720 one thing all right so i've explained that to you when there's mail-in ballots right we had this mass

01:16:54.920 new mail-in ballot campaign right you you have you ever done a mail-in ballot no matter what you say

01:17:00.020 i can tell you my response okay so if you can already tell your response it doesn't it doesn't

01:17:04.600 matter what my point is because i've had these conversations hundreds of times already what am

01:17:07.980 i going to say that it's the sort i'm talking about the sorting process right have you ever done a

01:17:10.980 mail-in ballot have i done no i haven't okay so here's here's how it works because i had i used

01:17:14.740 to live in dc but i was still voting in pennsylvania because of the well then trump's election wasn't

01:17:19.140 legitimate either because there's mail-in votes like there wasn't the same amount clearly there's

01:17:24.060 apparently seven million votes missing now so not missing it's that y'all's rhetoric worked on

01:17:28.980 convincing people the biden administration was worse than it was when i talk about it was really

01:17:32.160 successful when you do a mail-in ballot right there's an inside ballot right that's separate

01:17:38.320 and there's an outside ballot right that has your name and you sign it right because it's supposed to

01:17:43.160 be a secret ballot so when you mail it in right and they go to count the votes they separate them

01:17:49.360 they put the counted ones in here and they put the mail in with the signature here so you can identify

01:17:53.840 who's who okay once you do that process it doesn't matter how you recount them right they're forever

01:18:01.200 separate so you don't know right there's no way to because because even now you can't go look up i

01:18:07.800 can't even go look up if my vote was registered as a right-wing vote or a left-wing vote so now you have

01:18:13.520 these separate ballots right once you separate them even if people just take ballots and stick them in

01:18:18.900 the separate pile or the way that they come in or whatever there's no way even if you do a recount

01:18:24.240 that that's just the counting process but there's no way once the mail-in ballots are separated like

01:18:29.260 that to determine if they were legitimate ballots it's not possible once the separation process happens

01:18:35.400 and there's no identical identifiable information on that ballot itself so there it's so when you have

01:18:42.340 this mass ballot campaign right and we did extra mail-in ballots if you look at the difference right

01:18:46.360 there's a swarm of them we do have that odd very statistical odd jump you have everybody seen the

01:18:51.600 graph right but there's no way to go back and check that i always said i said from the beginning

01:18:55.960 people were like hold out hope they're doing it i said there's no way to prove it i said everybody

01:19:01.380 just accept this is what i said i did an instagram post on it just accept that biden is the president

01:19:06.340 and if you want to show do a show for us go to his inauguration with your maga hat on like that's

01:19:11.320 literally what i said people said there clearly are ways to verify which is why we catch people

01:19:15.120 fraud through mail-in votes but uh aside from that i just point yeah i don't know if you believe that

01:19:22.040 we've just gone through it so many times and it's more than just recounts because i know what you're

01:19:26.400 saying about that but the way that we prosecute people which we're always prosecuting some people

01:19:31.620 for voter fraud because there's some but they're usually things like they watch them drop off multiple

01:19:35.600 ballots at a location isn't well i want to address one of the things you said though uh or they they get

01:19:41.280 ballots and it's like registered to some random person's account and she has six what oh i see

01:19:47.200 what you're saying um yeah so my point is that we have really secure elections in the country

01:19:51.900 and i've heard these arguments before with the particular how the mail-in vote are counted haven't

01:19:57.860 argued that particular one um too many times but every single time we try to go in and verify

01:20:05.080 our elections or verify the opposite even when it's right-wing groups that gets access to whatever

01:20:09.720 they want whatever information about some uh voting machines were breached by maga allies of trump's

01:20:16.160 they got access to all that the evidence is not there because it didn't happen because it would

01:20:20.280 be absurd to try to steal an election the way y'all think they tried to steal an election i'm gonna send

01:20:24.080 you the delco stuff you gotta watch this for me but uh it's vile that you i always use that word

01:20:31.380 same thing at the same time great record is a great record that you would just you would cite all these

01:20:37.540 things or take issue with the entire process that we vote uh through now back in 2020 and then you

01:20:44.300 learn the election is perfectly legitimate because trump wins and now y'all don't care so i will say

01:20:48.820 that i do i feel better i feel like you know there are points where i just y'all should imagine how

01:20:54.940 upsetting it is to be on our side where we had to listen to y'all scream about fraud for four years

01:20:58.100 and then you learn that that's not the case because trump wins and it's just sort of never mind that was

01:21:02.440 after four years of you guys um saying russia collusion but i want to point out that in 2020

01:21:06.500 we had the covid covid happened and it was used and like really abused to change all these different

01:21:11.860 voting systems now all of a sudden all these new states had mail-in ballots and as we just learned

01:21:16.080 from lisa there can be very easily things can be i still think they're messing with russia in arizona

01:21:21.540 lisa hold on billy they're still doing it so now it is worth noting that the method of collecting

01:21:28.720 ballots and everything in 2020 was novel we had never had an election under a pandemic the way

01:21:35.820 that we did in 2020 so yeah the amount that was mail-in voting and yeah and and also the process

01:21:41.340 it was like there was a lot of changes and stuff it was that year because it happened exactly yeah

01:21:45.060 there was there was this the changes in pennsylvania that that caused texas to try and sue pennsylvania

01:21:50.600 about their stuff um so it was and all and the only point that i'm making is that it was a novel

01:21:55.240 election that there had never been an election that was that was like that one in history yeah

01:22:00.420 and and yeah people feel the same about 2024 why on earth would you say that they feel the same

01:22:05.380 about 2024 oh just articulate articulate why it's novel what was different about 2024

01:22:11.360 than everything none of the rules change oh what is it yeah that's not true but what

01:22:16.720 republican state legislatures that changed their voting but it's fine it's legitimate i don't have

01:22:20.920 i'm not gonna i don't have an issue with why do you mention the policy no no i'm saying that you

01:22:25.660 feeling that way and that and it being an unprecedented election and pandemic doesn't

01:22:30.600 justify trying to block the peaceful transfer power no that that's not what i was that's not the

01:22:34.500 argument that i was making so you're you're bringing it up to deflect the only thing i was

01:22:38.280 saying is that it was a novel i hear you it's novel i hear you you know what i hear you okay um

01:22:44.060 that doesn't it's just you're saying it like it justifies what she was going through so that's why

01:22:47.780 i didn't okay i did not say that justify anything novel as hell the only point that i was making is

01:22:52.480 that it was a unique it was a different situation than any other election that we've gone through

01:22:56.360 but i do want to talk about the the shift to the right because you'll you've made remarks about

01:23:02.200 donald trump and i you it's clear you don't like donald trump i get it um and you've remarked that

01:23:08.480 you know he didn't win the popular vote and he didn't win or he didn't you know he didn't win

01:23:13.180 over 50 so it's not actually that the majority of america wants it and so i can take that on its

01:23:19.080 face but the reaction the results nationwide in california i think 11 counties flipped basically

01:23:27.300 the entire country moved right so how do you square that if if if if the country

01:23:32.460 generally moved to the right what do you what's your take on that how do you feel about that and

01:23:40.020 what do you think that says about the country's reaction to the democrat policies that we've been

01:23:44.700 living under for the past four years great and the only reason i brought up just make sure i'll

01:23:50.280 flip in your head too about what it meant about trump when trump lost as well but let me just answer

01:23:53.820 that because thank you trump won and again that's why that's why i pointed that's why i pointed the

01:23:58.700 right shift because it's not i'm not talking about yeah i'm talking about the whole country shifted to

01:24:03.260 the right and that's been talk about that don't bring up trump it's not about donald trump

01:24:06.540 i know you don't like we all know we know you don't like donald trump we know we get it yeah i'm

01:24:11.360 gonna explain all what it means about democrats i'll note it actually it's it's all about it's almost

01:24:16.760 all about what the democrats were perceived as as opposed to what the alternative was okay so it's

01:24:23.040 really going to focus on democrats which will be perfect for you uh it was mostly about from what

01:24:28.100 i can tell a lack of turnout among people who would have voted for democrats so if you look in like

01:24:32.340 really democratic areas they didn't turn out to offset the conservative areas as they had

01:24:37.420 in the biden election the reason for that is whenever trump was president and people were upset

01:24:43.260 about the pandemic the response the backlash to that was we're going to put in the other guy

01:24:48.280 and then as we've seen nationwide across this is the biggest variables there's a bunch of smaller

01:24:53.360 variables as well but the biggest variable is that across western countries we've seen this backlash

01:24:58.380 to incumbents for the pandemic related conditions namely prices going up now the united states i have

01:25:04.940 to throw this in i'm sorry um has handled inflation much more effectively than our wealthy country

01:25:09.540 counterparts we brought down inflation much faster than again our counterparts across the world i think

01:25:15.240 biden harris policies have been generally really solid on managing the economy we came out of the

01:25:19.940 pandemic much more effectively than any other country on the globe and the unfortunate thing was though

01:25:25.340 all those pandemic conditions and recovery efforts that any president would have engaged in trump did

01:25:28.760 too uh ended up setting up and supply chain problems and the war in you know ukraine it all

01:25:34.240 contributed to worldwide inflation and that ended up being blamed on incumbents right wing and left

01:25:40.800 wing across the world you mentioned ukraine if you so wait but let's let's round that out so i think

01:25:46.720 this is less about people loving what trump's offering and more about people rejecting an incumbent

01:25:52.640 because they've been misled about what the cause of prices going up was so you mentioned ukraine um

01:25:59.700 as a as a cause of inflation and that's something that there's a fairly clear distinction between the

01:26:07.540 right and the left about is ukraine overall but i i mentioned that let's go there i love that

01:26:12.620 conversation but let's just really solidify let's ignore ukraine because that's not the most

01:26:16.540 important part it was recovery efforts supply chain problems and the economic aftermath of the pandemic

01:26:21.860 that trump would have dealt with too if he'd gotten a second term that's the main causes of

01:26:25.460 inflation he loves and corporate price gouging uh because people were expecting inflation so they

01:26:29.920 did it that's ridiculous um so now what did you say i just said he loves gay crane just a little

01:26:34.360 it's ridiculous they did it or ridiculous that i said they did it yeah it's ridiculous that you say

01:26:38.520 that it was corporate price gouging yeah so um i mean that's just what happened they they increased

01:26:43.300 prices more than inflation necessitated i i i don't i don't think that that's the case but anyways um

01:26:49.120 the point being like i wanted to bring up ukraine there's there's a distinct you know left and right

01:26:54.080 divide when it comes to ukraine right wait and so i'm just i feel like your audience is gonna

01:26:58.500 sort of it'll be disservice to them you can y'all explain if biden was so bad for inflation why we

01:27:05.320 brought it down so much faster than all of our i didn't say that biden was so bad okay good i think

01:27:09.240 you agree the public misdiagnosed why inflation happened no no i don't don't don't put words in my

01:27:14.000 mouth um the government is bad about inflation the government prints america did really good

01:27:18.360 handling the federal government prints dollars and the both the biden administration and the trump

01:27:24.400 administration spent plenty of money those things are are yeah my point is they nailed the recovery

01:27:31.080 they did amazing biden harris did amazing getting us out of the pandemic no they didn't crisis so

01:27:35.920 they did amazing no they did they did amazing getting us out of afghanistan no they didn't no

01:27:39.480 they didn't do they didn't do amazing and y'all have misled people about why grocery prices are

01:27:44.200 high that's my point that's that's and if grocery prices weren't high we would have not voted for

01:27:48.240 trump that's why it's happening you asked all ridiculous you asked why i didn't ask you i didn't

01:27:52.460 ask you got a little boarding i need to spice it up this is this is i didn't ask anything like this

01:27:57.720 you asked why trump won i'm telling you it's because of mostly people were pissed about prices and i'm

01:28:02.280 saying they were wrong about the cause of it they were right that it was happening and they should have

01:28:05.480 voted for it so listen you you i let ask for your opinion and you gave it i think that actually

01:28:12.080 instead of moving on to ukraine isabel like you've been fairly quiet what is what is your sense as to

01:28:17.420 why the the there has been a shift to the right um i think i think that there's left-wing infighting

01:28:25.460 where this there's the really progressives that kind of tell them that they can't speak to these

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01:29:58.300 something that you do you speak to people like us right that's okay but that's coupled with i think wokeness is a big driver

01:30:04.520 you even see people like even just celebrities that are generally leftist like even i just saw perez hilton

01:30:09.820 who's obviously like very gay very leftist liberal kind of guy he's sick of the wokeness bill maher talks

01:30:15.320 about the wokeness people on the left it's getting more popular i think people see things for their

01:30:19.680 eyes or for instance with kids like people that have kids in schools they don't want their daughter to

01:30:24.140 have to go into a locker room or a bathroom with a man dressing as a woman right these things that

01:30:29.060 people try to gaslight us and say oh you're just fear-mongering oh you're transphobic it's like no i just

01:30:33.560 want to go to a bathroom without a guy in there so i think wokeness y'all have been really made that

01:30:37.840 distinction earlier between progressives and democrats i i feel like democrats would tend to

01:30:44.500 agree with you at least at least on this particular issue democrats would generally tend to agree with

01:30:49.040 you i think there's some kind of numbers like 75 percent of america thinks that that the right

01:30:55.280 the bathrooms should be at least for women like there shouldn't be trans women in women's bathrooms

01:31:01.080 right men can men can deal with trans men in in men's bathrooms it's not an issue in sports too

01:31:06.720 women's sports obviously people are seeing their daughters have to compete with men but these are

01:31:10.320 progressives progressive issues as opposed to what i think would be democrat basic let's be fair

01:31:15.340 nobody is like if a blair white or thank you brianna woo is like walking into a bathroom right i would

01:31:22.180 never call the police or anything like that and it was everything i worked in a bar and we would have

01:31:26.360 who made it a thing wait hold on it was never a thing there's women coming into bathrooms it is

01:31:33.040 the ones that look like that jeffrey creepy marsh dude okay the ones that aren't fully committed to

01:31:38.300 their transition right the jeffrey marsh the thing that happened in the loudon county right it's it is

01:31:43.860 it is those instances right and the fact that it was like it's becoming like a social contagion

01:31:49.340 right to where they're putting it in schools and they're putting books in schools um it's it's also

01:31:53.920 what's responsible for this rise in christianity you have like one in five kids now that are are

01:31:58.740 saying that they believe in god and they're turning to christian things you have like gwen stefani

01:32:02.480 coming out and doing a thing with halo right recently i think that i think that part of that is because

01:32:08.020 of the fact that it's a it's a rejection of what people feel like is obvious reality right so the idea

01:32:15.400 that a man can become a woman a woman can become a man i as personally as they can't define the word

01:32:20.280 woman true right i personally my take is look society can deal with trans people like fairly

01:32:26.420 easily it's i never cared it's it's not an actual problem and the demand by the far left again the

01:32:32.500 progressives not people that are are more of a democrat kind of persuasion i think that they demand

01:32:39.460 that you think of them as women the progressives the really extreme ideologically possessed people

01:32:45.720 will okay and this is a minority this is a minority hold on it's a it's a it's a it's a

01:32:50.420 well there's three of us i understand you're in a in a rough spot you are three but the point that

01:32:56.340 i'm making is when you're dealing with people that are on the far far left now again not the average

01:33:02.500 democrat saying things like no there's no difference between a biological woman and a

01:33:08.080 trans woman they're both biologically women i don't know who's it yeah the the missouri uh congress

01:33:14.820 person said that i think most people understand biological sex versus your gender identity but

01:33:18.680 that that i agree with you most people that's why i specified the people that are extremely

01:33:23.500 progressive and why is the tagline trans women are women right because they want because they're the

01:33:27.900 the because the far left is who is actually well that one or trans women like that's fine you're

01:33:33.840 trans women you're not a woman right if they're existing in society in every meaningful way other

01:33:38.740 than if you knew way too intimately their biological details it doesn't matter they're all going to

01:33:42.820 treat them like women stop telling me why do i have to go in when i'm getting a lactation consultant

01:33:47.720 to like breastfeed my kid and they call it chest feeding i'm clearly a biological woman i'm i'm

01:33:52.360 yeah i'm gonna go through some of this so one of the things that happens i think the best friend

01:33:58.320 of maga is like the super uber i don't know what to call them like the extreme end of the left okay

01:34:03.820 because they provide these nice semi-attached to reality but kind of straw men people that y'all can

01:34:11.160 engage with and what i mean is it's not that these things aren't a thing like i talked about

01:34:15.240 the bathroom thing and think nancy mace is being psychotic with her obsession over one

01:34:18.780 trans member of congress where she goes to the restroom she wasn't going to go to that restroom

01:34:21.860 anyways but um i i know these things exist and i'm happy to talk about them as sort of cultural issues

01:34:27.560 and social media discussions but i don't think they exist in the way they impact people's lives

01:34:32.820 like the policy issues i'm focused on most of the time uh and the policy issues that most prominent

01:34:38.680 democrats are focused on like politicians wait but let me what republicans often do is like

01:34:43.260 if if the republican line trump wants to come in and give big tax because his last one's

01:34:49.040 disproportionately benefited wealthy folks and then he wants to do these tariffs that will spike prices

01:34:55.100 and if he actually was really clear and transparent about what he wants to do then i don't think people

01:35:00.400 would vote for republicans as much because their economic agenda is trash they have a worse economic

01:35:05.000 record over the last century but instead it has to be don't look at that look at all of these other

01:35:10.180 niche cultural issues like a trans person you're probably never going to notice yourself interacting

01:35:14.880 with it's my turn and and and then uh so that's that's a big part of this i wish y'all would engage

01:35:21.040 with what kamala harris was actually running on you can go look at all of her speeches it wasn't about

01:35:25.760 trans bathrooms she literally said multiple times that she would provide money for trans prisoners

01:35:32.140 i'm talking right okay so that that is something that it is again you're doing it again you found

01:35:36.580 a clip that wasn't from her presidential campaign that was it might have been from like her one way

01:35:40.920 it doesn't matter it doesn't matter she said it that was a trump administration era policy that he

01:35:46.120 was abiding by as well but my point is just listen for a second it's my turn that's what y'all do

01:35:51.400 instead of engaging with her actual policy proposals which were mostly economic ones to bring down

01:35:56.180 prices enhance child tax credit small business related tax breaks that's what she was running on

01:36:01.460 running on a pro-freedom platform and that's what i resonated with and what y'all will do is only

01:36:06.340 engage with like the online wokesters instead of engaging with the fact that democrats really do

01:36:11.100 have a better economic agenda than republicans which i'll argue until i'm blue okay so it's my

01:36:16.020 turn right does that make sense at all to you does the argument like i strongly believe that you'll

01:36:20.580 argue every democrat point okay wait i won't i will not so i just want to let you know i'll criticize

01:36:24.960 i already have you say we don't push back i actually made a post that the bathroom thing with

01:36:29.280 nancy mace was absolutely irrelevant because every member has their own bathroom everybody and i wrote

01:36:33.660 it i wrote a thing a post saying yeah this bathroom stuff with nancy mace is like retarded

01:36:38.220 it's a political statement because yeah because every member has their own private bathroom in their

01:36:43.640 own office there's no and they don't i've been on the hill for many years they fought they did

01:36:48.200 finally put a women's bathroom off like the floor of congress right so i push back on that that's one

01:36:53.880 thing second thing is is like the tariffs they keep saying this tariffs but like brazil has normally the like

01:36:59.220 the highest tariffs in all of all of the countries and they have the second richest uh per capita uh

01:37:07.200 gdp facts right so like you can argue the tariffs all you want because you know all these whatever go

01:37:13.460 look it up i don't think you're hearing my argument though i'm just saying you brought up tariffs tariffs

01:37:17.180 i just want to like throw that out there okay so like we can get that let's talk about tariff as a

01:37:21.180 whole thing because there's a whole thing there well tariffs is like so tariffs is a bargaining chip

01:37:25.020 you guys are looking at it like it's you know policy or whatever they they we are we are tariff

01:37:30.960 to death like you do not see if you go to england if you go to germany you don't see their taxi cabs

01:37:38.760 or mercedes right you are aware that there are tariffs that exist currently right we are we are

01:37:43.620 burdened okay we're trying to level the playing field and bring manufacturing jobs back here all i'm

01:37:48.740 saying this is just if trump follows through on the 25 25 and then 10 extra on china the on our

01:37:56.700 three biggest trading partners i'm not how do you all get to a negotiating table hold up let me say

01:38:01.280 if people if people voted for him because they wanted prices to go down you can make the argument

01:38:05.880 that it's a good trade-off to have prices go way up but it's bring more manufacturing jobs whatever

01:38:09.620 and sometimes that's a trade-off that we do he should do it strategically across the board tariffs on

01:38:13.180 all imports it's a crazy proposal but i'm just saying it's your people you're gonna you're gonna have

01:38:18.500 people who are not a trump because all they care about is the grocery prices let me explain what

01:38:22.980 he's doing it's a negotiation he has to set how he is seen to the outside world the reason that trump

01:38:29.940 didn't get any no and had no new wars and all that stuff is because he's a lunatic because they were

01:38:34.560 so afraid that he would push the button they didn't know what he would do he was unpredictable

01:38:38.180 they were afraid they were more willing to negotiate with him it's kind of like this if you're doing a

01:38:42.780 court case settlement right they have like a t-sheet right or if you're buying a house right the seller

01:38:48.040 the seller lists the price higher than what they actually really want to get it for and then the

01:38:53.800 the set the buyer comes in and they go low so now he has to have this policy this objective that seems

01:39:01.640 like it's crazy and it's really going to hurt them and it's really going to impact like and that's why

01:39:07.800 mexico is already starting to negotiate and do stuff with us because they don't want those taxes and they

01:39:14.040 think he's insane enough to put them in it is a complete tool it's a rhetoric tool it is a i am

01:39:19.900 presenting power and insanity on the world stage and they're afraid of him and and that's why i can

01:39:24.680 be your argument i'm telling you the people who voted for him on prices are going to be mad if he

01:39:31.360 follows through on this in spikes prices that's all i'm saying well listen there are and don't dispute

01:39:36.660 that that's what 25 percent on all imports i think that it's important to point out the reason that

01:39:41.400 prices are are such an issue is because the inflation has already come and kind of gotten

01:39:47.260 under control but we had such outrageous inflation and inflation is a leader and uh wages are a lagger

01:39:54.580 so wages have yet to rise to meet the inflation that's what that's what happens what we've actually

01:40:00.440 we've surpassed it now so just so you know like like people's purchasing power now is where it was

01:40:05.160 pre-pandemic it's gone back up so i mean well i'm so sure that's the case still has an inflation

01:40:09.940 rate because of the incredible biden era wage growth uh it real wage growth i don't i don't

01:40:16.300 know that that's actually true but the point being it people are responding to what they had felt for

01:40:21.700 the past four years not just what has happened in the past six months or all right so let me just say

01:40:26.220 something we'll go back to brazil for a second so brazil's inflation rate is higher than their set

01:40:30.820 goal of three percent but it's at 4.77 right they have no income tax and they have the most tariffs out

01:40:36.820 of any country and they have the highest gdp right they're so their prices aren't going up they can

01:40:42.500 set these trade agreements right they can have um their tariffs a certain way they are tariffs are

01:40:48.540 negotiating tools to get what you want and i think that people are only looking at it from a

01:40:55.620 non-strategic uh a non-strategic method of engaging with economic policies with other countries and we

01:41:02.220 have notoriously been because we're the biggest or the richest or the whatever country we have been

01:41:06.700 like the the everybody's um like you know like we're the charity for everyone everyone come here

01:41:12.540 i want to get israel i want to get you a million dollar billion dollars to africa for disaster relief

01:41:16.960 i want to get you in on this what what's your take on the economic policies that that that look at

01:41:22.580 her face already i'm gonna be honest i don't i don't care yeah i don't really care about this stuff i

01:41:26.840 did have a point about the trans stuff i wanted to bring up quickly i will admit they know more about

01:41:30.600 this than me it's just not what i'm into i should read up on it though but just back on the trans

01:41:35.360 stuff because i couldn't get in there i want something that the right is so something that

01:41:39.260 i think a lot of the people that went to the right and the right is definitely sick of is the lgbtq

01:41:44.220 whatever being shoved down our throats and lisa showed me this on the car ride here if you look up

01:41:48.880 not only do we have a gay pride month not only but it's gay pride a year all the time because i it's

01:41:53.160 i have this as a link i did tell in the doc there's so many gay holidays literally multiple every

01:41:58.260 single month there's even more singular gay holidays in gay pride month so what is like

01:42:02.320 why do they have to shove it down our throats it's annoying i'm not i know that you're not doing it

01:42:05.860 but i think that's a big shift to the right every it's month sometimes multiple times a month it is

01:42:10.660 like it's like nothing it like for people that say they're so oppressed there's nothing more

01:42:14.640 celebrated right now in our culture than gay so and here's the problem that i have with that wait

01:42:18.900 yeah i agree maybe this is excessive here's what's excessive no but but i understand the urge to

01:42:25.060 i'm a mom celebrate oneself when for for centuries you've been you know dehumanized but you're not

01:42:30.920 anymore here's the thing i go into a target with my daughter he's been alive for centuries my man

01:42:34.940 it's it's i go in with my five-year-old and my nine-year-old right they can read right and and

01:42:40.340 there's rainbow flags everywhere and it's like i forget what it said in this one target but it was

01:42:44.300 like it was like like be gay right and like be something else it's like a toddler's t-shirt and it's

01:42:50.800 like no it was like there's no way it says be gay i'll find stuff it was really crazy i tweeted

01:42:56.180 be gay it really was it was like gay do crime is a is it was like something it was something that

01:43:01.060 says a lot i can't remember the exact phrase but i did tweet about it so it was like this was a while

01:43:05.420 ago it's like two years ago it was so egregious right and my kids are like what does that mean

01:43:10.520 right and so my gay my my my next neighbor who flies the gay pride flag we live literally across from

01:43:16.680 a schoolyard where there is like kids elementary school age playing out in the thing all the time

01:43:23.180 right and so they're asking these questions right like i don't want my kids sexualized i don't want

01:43:27.820 them talking about sex i don't want them knowing about sex my kids their third grade class didn't

01:43:31.480 even know what curse words were that's the kind of environment that i keep them in right

01:43:34.300 i don't want to have to like i want to be able to choose when i want to have the conversations about

01:43:42.520 sex and sexuality with my kids right like if i want to say two people can love each other if i

01:43:47.760 want to say two men can love each other that should be fine if they love each other if i want to say

01:43:50.800 that i want to choose when i'm allowed to say that without having it plastered everywhere i mean all the

01:43:57.020 time plastered everywhere as if it's invoking conversations that's the problem so so let's let's

01:44:02.940 get luke let's get your take on the on the do you believe that it is excessive the way that the

01:44:08.560 the government is focusing on things like the lgbtq government oh uh because i mean we're making

01:44:14.880 all of these days i believe these are like all sanctioned by the the i mean they're not you know

01:44:20.200 they're not federal holidays but they are harvey milk day federal yeah like they're yeah i mean

01:44:24.880 there is all the time no i think y'all found like some lgbtq website i don't think all of these are

01:44:29.400 like no if you go to national holidays because i used to have to check them for congressional stuff like

01:44:33.020 we have to say like happy whatever day again it's like you think it's shut down our throats or not

01:44:37.060 i'm like let's address food insecurity in the country let's address poverty and it's like oh

01:44:41.940 there's too many gay holidays well i mean there are different so you're saying you don't want to

01:44:46.260 talk about this topic because i mean we can move on to something else if you'd like no i'll talk about

01:44:49.720 i'm trying to demonstrate the point that i'm saying which is that the the republican politicians

01:44:53.840 that have bad like economic uh prescriptions they benefit from us fixating over these cultural

01:45:01.400 things that they force us all right time out i'm addressing it but but i don't know i don't know

01:45:08.980 if there's too many up there uh i think i'm sure we could debate about that but i do think it's

01:45:14.700 totally understandable that there's been you were talking so much about backlash backlash how y'all

01:45:17.960 have reacted if you know that like a lot of people growing up too i was trying to explain this

01:45:24.260 is bella with her usage of certain terms um harmful terms slurs she you wouldn't empathize

01:45:31.860 with someone who like their whole life felt demonized dehumanized so then moments like a pride

01:45:36.820 month or something it's just their chance to be like well i'm proud of who i am and if y'all don't

01:45:40.600 think it's moral or something to be gay that's your journey hold on i want to put a pin in that but i but

01:45:46.140 my ideology says that even with different moral frameworks we can generally coexist as long as

01:45:52.760 we don't uh dehumanize which y'all for not y'all but like the right wing for a very long time was

01:45:57.820 doing that so you mentioned you mentioned you know people you said people all their lives there's no one

01:46:02.760 in gen z that remembers a time where it's just not true i promise there's no one in gen z you don't

01:46:11.480 you don't even let me finish but there's no one in gen z that really remembers a time where gay marriage

01:46:16.740 wasn't the law of the land right yeah because they're too young how old how old is gen z

01:46:22.660 like what's the oldest gen z here um 26 27 26 27 so the when was 2013 was it obergefell

01:46:32.440 i'm not sure i thought it was like 2012 so so it's been a decade so i mean maybe there's a handful

01:46:37.700 of of people that were you know that are gen z that remember a time before being by

01:46:44.380 it was 2015 i just looked it up obergefell be hot 10 years ago 10 years ago was when when

01:46:50.380 obergefell was was passed or the supreme court made that decision so to say that gen z is in a

01:46:57.600 situation where they remember a time where they were persecuted for being gay i think that that's

01:47:01.740 not right maybe millennials definitely gen xers could say that but i don't think that gen z could

01:47:06.620 say that here's attention they want all this like oppression points and by the way even before it was

01:47:11.160 nationally legalized it was also becoming legal in certain states with the supreme court yeah but before

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01:48:48.820 gifts you think that people can we can have a framework where we identify like we each have our

01:48:54.380 moral beliefs and then it's um and then but it's able to coexist right and i think that that that's

01:49:01.000 true right i do think that that should be allowed however we have like nfl sports teams making their

01:49:09.420 people wear rainbow pride flags but they're not making them wear crosses right they're not having

01:49:14.260 a catholic night where everybody's got to wear a cross on their arm okay black national hold on i'm not

01:49:18.240 done and we're not having big like catholic parades where there's naked people in the street right

01:49:24.140 we're not having catholic ideology or whatever taught to kids in school we're not saying what

01:49:31.040 you will you're pointing out these are these are mostly what you're talking about are social things

01:49:34.720 but they are sanctioned by the government so even though the government isn't you know making the nfl do

01:49:39.900 these things and the government's not saying they're teaching about non-binary stuff in school but

01:49:43.660 they're not teaching about catholicism in school that's right that's that's the point they're not that's

01:49:47.200 the point that i'm making is is they are mostly social things true y'all wait wait wait wait wait

01:49:52.860 gaslighting i'm talking about wait what you're talking about is you'll have examples like in

01:49:58.380 the curriculum it's not hey in second grade we're telling you what it means to be trans at least i

01:50:03.480 haven't seen that in curricula but what is true is that sometimes teachers maybe sometimes in ways

01:50:09.140 that are inappropriate induce their own ideology into teaching as has been happening forever i have

01:50:15.020 wait my teacher did talk about their christian views a lot in a public school in an environment where

01:50:21.640 normally that's not supposed to be a thing i did have them talk about how like weird stuff about

01:50:26.440 the civil war that was kind of like kind of weird and right wing and that is a thing and you could

01:50:31.720 take issue with it on the local level with your teachers and all that but again the blowing some

01:50:36.620 i'm not trying to gaslight but i'm just saying the pride message while there's instances like i agree

01:50:41.220 if you're in a place where it's just like public and you're naked stop uh but largely the gays

01:50:46.420 with the pride message the best of the pride message and what is what has helped us make so

01:50:52.080 much progress with the next generation and with current and like as the generation have gone on

01:50:57.440 we've made progress on this is saying what i'm saying which is that we can be proud of who we are

01:51:03.120 as individuals and some people can find that behavior 10 years ago we were there but the the pride

01:51:09.800 flag isn't saying like you have to be gay or you have to be trans it's saying no but it's forcing us

01:51:14.320 we weren't there 10 years ago i can tell you that for sure we weren't i'm telling you when i was

01:51:19.340 growing up i don't think y'all understand you're so you're complaining so much because people treat

01:51:23.460 you bad because you have a maga hat on you should experience what a lot of people experience we

01:51:28.660 loved gay people i loved gay people we are people on the right my mom everybody loved gay people great

01:51:33.320 that's an awesome experience for you that's not the universal experience for everybody there but i'm

01:51:37.360 saying there was a cultural shift before you were born okay how do you think we made that

01:51:41.380 cultural shift yes sometimes the pendulum slings a little bit but but that's my point is now it's

01:51:46.300 moving a little too far right now it feels ubiquitous and that's why there's backlash i didn't care

01:51:51.160 before if gay people got married now i don't want them married like that's that's just like a really

01:51:55.260 reactionary way to view well because because it's like you take it they take like it's like give an inch

01:52:00.720 take a mile right it's there it's never enough that's the thing what makes it right they need a

01:52:05.080 social cause to like be the victim of like what what what but it is they need a social cause to

01:52:10.200 be a victim of to constantly be in this fighting mentality it's kind of like the mark it is it is

01:52:14.140 it is fair to say that as long as you have lobbying groups and and special interest groups that they're

01:52:20.780 going to need to be in a position of victimhood so that way they can continue to that's right that's

01:52:27.120 why we now now whether or not whether or not you think that it's it's extended across the

01:52:31.020 political spectrum there's like trump bibles being put in every time anyone says anything

01:52:36.280 you're like well trump like you've literally replied with trump's name almost everything i

01:52:41.040 say and i wasn't making trying to demonstrate like it's whenever i'm demonstrating a principle

01:52:44.400 if you if you vote on the basis of some of these issues without understanding how they're ubiquitous

01:52:50.120 then you're voting in a misinformed way so i'm trying to illustrate well everyone everyone has their

01:52:55.800 own everyone has their own interest in the things that they're going to be concerned with so the

01:52:59.000 people that are that would be an lgbt lobby they're going to be voting against things that

01:53:03.280 are positive for christians or whatever that's not true that's my point though is that so then

01:53:08.160 christians vote against gay people but gay people don't vote against no not all christians vote

01:53:12.100 against gay people the the what you're alluding to maybe it's not i'm not saying that everyone but

01:53:17.060 what you're alluding to is people on the right will vote against the the the things that are good

01:53:21.500 for gay people or whatever but people that are on the left won't vote against i think sometimes the

01:53:25.400 democratic party also is successful in blowing these issues or convincing people to be distracted

01:53:31.480 by certain issues that then they don't actually have to do as much structural stuff on like the

01:53:35.920 economic things i think we should fix would be contradictory to that of a lot of special

01:53:40.040 interests powerful big pharma yes you know uh people etc and so it's easier to run on issues that

01:53:48.320 don't threaten those special interests people are right and left do but at least the democratic

01:53:54.320 party has some record of making positive economic uh progress whereas the republican party is just

01:54:01.260 using the fuel of these cultural issues so what i want to say about that is you said like oh and pride

01:54:08.940 is not exclusionary of christianity it is vice versa if you believe they mock it they dress up as

01:54:13.540 nuns and they mock it would you consider the mocking i don't like mocking religions but i'm saying that

01:54:18.320 one is saying you get to be who you are if that's a if that's a super religious you know straight

01:54:23.700 whatever that's you can be proud of that i strongly disagree with that they don't let us celebrate

01:54:28.020 you think the pride is saying everyone should be gay how does that even work but they're but they're

01:54:32.680 saying you don't want to have sex with like a trans woman so a man then that's transphobic they do

01:54:37.080 say that they say that i don't believe that anyone of note any democratic politician has ever said it's

01:54:41.620 always about the politicians because i'm not going to get bogged down do you understand the framework

01:54:45.460 engagement sells on social media so we're always going to hear these really loud idiots and i'm not

01:54:51.860 going to let my entire political analysis be skewed by that so instead i'm going to focus on relevant

01:54:55.440 people which are people in positions of power but y'all's whole world is shaped by just oh an

01:54:59.680 annoying tiktoker with blue hair i just earlier mentioned that there's and trump i just earlier

01:55:04.660 mentioned that there's a a congressperson from i believe it's from montana uh that's a trans person

01:55:11.980 that was saying um you know what was the the remark they made that trans women are biological women

01:55:18.120 so show me that and while we're getting that up i did want to point out you did mention how you had

01:55:23.980 a christian teacher what other percent like what is the percentage of teachers that pushed a left-wing

01:55:29.580 ideology onto you because i had that way more i had like two conservative teachers in my entire life of

01:55:34.260 like high school through college and everyone else was super left-wing so this is the point that

01:55:38.900 conservatives are making and you say that we just feel like we're being victimized no we know that they

01:55:43.800 want us to know we're in the minority because at every single major institution we have the

01:55:47.800 hollywood elites the college like the education system the government even though i guess trump

01:55:52.180 will be in the government now we all still know that largely there's a lot of politicians that

01:55:56.060 condemn um just being conservatives you're transphobic all these certain things i mean literally

01:56:00.720 every single major institution in america skews left so we're sick of being told that no we're

01:56:06.100 just feeling like victimized no that's the truth tell me can you answer the question how many

01:56:09.480 teachers like be honest were left-wing that you could tell i mean my school district oh it was

01:56:15.160 probably more it doesn't matter like overall so you you might have an issue like statistically

01:56:19.540 teachers wildly yes skewed down absolutely you might have an issue with the actual uh with the

01:56:25.720 outlet but the transgender women are every bit as biologically female as cis women biological

01:56:31.080 trans state lawmaker claims that's zoe zephyr the montana state rep so the trans women are women

01:56:37.640 full stop thing i don't have a problem with obviously biologically female is an incorrect okay so

01:56:41.640 this is exactly what i'm talking about the there are congress people there was a congress person

01:56:47.200 the state rep but yeah there's a there there is a trans person that was just elected to uh federal

01:56:52.860 to the to the congress and in delaware as a representative from delaware um shares these

01:56:58.300 beliefs um but i'd love to i mean see the context of that that delaware that is weird every bit is

01:57:04.920 biologically what context do you need this is no because no the reason is there's a quote within a quote i

01:57:09.960 think probably this is a total guess she might just be wrong which i will totally admit i feel

01:57:15.180 like there's a chance someone said are they biological female and she said they're every

01:57:17.980 bit a woman as a cis woman there's no context needed it's very there is because when we make

01:57:22.280 the distinction between like your gender identity right how you're identified gender identity versus

01:57:25.800 your biology biology you said biology okay but like you know within the quote is what i'm what i'm

01:57:30.840 wondering about if that was her words but maybe but it looks like that's what she said and then she

01:57:35.080 would be wrong i think the reason they put the but the quotes in there is because it's

01:57:38.100 actually like factually wrong what she said oh maybe that's not they're not actually biologically

01:57:45.060 female so she's saying they're biologically female so the quotes are to say oh no she's implying this

01:57:50.400 but it's actually wrong so yeah so then uh state rep zoe zephyr would have made an incorrect statement

01:57:55.800 there so so like you know how you were saying though that the the the left focus is on economic

01:58:00.260 issues and things like that when i know not enough but okay but when when i was watching like i think

01:58:06.280 both sides do this and it's really because the general american public is stupid but and so like

01:58:10.860 this is how they do it but if you were to look at like the marketing materials of both sides clearly

01:58:15.880 they were like fanning the flames we were looking at you know a clip that you said of kamala harris

01:58:20.140 um saying the thing about the transgender prisoners and all that right and and we were focusing on those

01:58:26.080 type of issues but at least she said it we had her literally running ads that were complete factual

01:58:34.560 lies yeah we had kamala harris saying that trump doesn't support ivf but he actually said a plan for

01:58:41.320 ivf the left time they said every time they said the the very fine people statement yeah like and it

01:58:47.120 was debunked like a million times but everyone said it over and over obama said it on the platform

01:58:51.760 context a little bit in this election misinformation context will never be censored he specifically said

01:58:56.900 i'm not talking about the white nationalists and the and the nazis yeah he specifically said that

01:59:02.340 okay but i agree it's been taken out of context but it's also not a lie because he was saying the

01:59:06.920 people who are saying wanted the statue to stay that was comprised of a lot of white nationalists

01:59:12.360 that's what a lot of that was that's a real stretch that's a real stretch when he specifically

01:59:17.320 said the two sides what were the two sides people that didn't want their history torn down yeah there

01:59:21.560 were people there that were that is but okay the statue yeah there's people like me yeah the statue

01:59:26.020 thing is like i love robert e lay i love him i love that man and and like why i've learned so much

01:59:31.840 about him and what what i can't learn history without celebrating bad parts of it wait wait he he wasn't

01:59:37.220 a bad person in general actually he wasn't even like a fan of slavery he loved see we don't have a

01:59:41.720 devotion to our land like they did back then land was sustenance for them land was survival for

01:59:47.240 them back then and so what his problem was is like he was actually a west point guy right like he was

01:59:53.760 a west point guy and he was asked to fight for the union and he said i can't fight brother against

01:59:57.960 brother and so i'm going to go defend virginia it didn't he wasn't it like general lee wasn't like

02:00:04.140 about the slavery thing as a matter of fact i think he had less than something like one and a half percent

02:00:08.940 of american southerners owned slaves yeah it was like something ridiculous that's not the point i don't

02:00:13.080 even want to get into that conversation but that doesn't mean that he was like a bad

02:00:16.000 person he was a brilliant brilliant general and and he was actually a very cool good good human

02:00:22.960 being and just because he feels some loyalty to land to land and he doesn't want to fight

02:00:27.240 whenever someone no matter how good of a person you think they were is the leader leads the military

02:00:33.780 uprising and rebellion against the united states government over the issue who fired first

02:00:38.360 slavery who who who drawled up that is not i i don't think i don't think that it's that i want

02:00:43.500 to put statues listen there's 10 minutes left or so and i don't think that it's a great idea to try to

02:00:48.320 to debate the civil war the civil war but what i would like to do on the you'd love my middle school

02:00:53.740 teacher at the very at the very the very last thing that i want to talk about is uh immigration

02:00:58.320 right the the problems at the border um i do i am interested in your takes considering the fact that

02:01:05.540 for three of the four years that president biden was the you know was was in office it was there was

02:01:12.000 no problem at the border there's no problem at the border and it was all all you know nothing's wrong

02:01:17.060 president biden himself said that he wanted to see a surge at the border when he was running

02:01:22.060 the surge came there were massive negative consequences uh for the population and now we

02:01:29.180 have a significant increase in crime and you have cities that are that are that are dealing with the

02:01:34.780 economic burdens um in trafficking human trafficking human trafficking that's happened because of it

02:01:40.720 and then for the past year the biden administration has has admitted or the past the last year of the

02:01:46.860 administration they admitted that there was problems i'd like to hear your take on that i'm interested in

02:01:51.120 in what your opinion is yeah so uh i don't want to trigger you and bring up trump again but i will

02:01:59.260 let's let's start with my criticism democrats but then let me talk about why republicans aren't any

02:02:04.700 better on this issue but first no but that's not where i'm not asking why are republicans better i'm

02:02:08.840 asking you to talk about your democrats you can talk about the democrats they are linked because

02:02:12.680 biden's inaction was in part prompted by the fact that republicans refuse to do anything

02:02:17.160 congressionally which biden thought a systemic approach is better it's not true i'll show you

02:02:21.220 exactly hold on hold on let me just say this in 2019 if you're gonna ask me a question like

02:02:25.300 give me your take on immigration i would i would like to take lisa all right so biden harris at the

02:02:32.520 beginning made a lot of bad calls they waited too long to address it comprehensively now they didn't

02:02:38.660 introduce an immigration reform thing right when they came in republicans said we don't want to engage

02:02:42.340 at all that could have been a chance to do something they did propose the border security bill

02:02:46.220 trump encouraged republicans to shoot down so there's these cases of of why republicans should

02:02:50.160 you know why the republicans why republic i know why y'all think it is but that's wrong it's not

02:02:54.480 because a bunch of people were let into the country that's not why okay what do you what do you think

02:02:58.340 well the reason because it would it would have allowed for people to people that were sorry go

02:03:03.460 sorry sorry i'm sorry i just debate this a lot sorry go so it would have it would have allowed

02:03:09.600 for five thousand up to five thousand people to be let in and it would have allowed essentially

02:03:13.840 may have been a naturalization bill it would have allowed the people that were here to stay

02:03:16.800 so no the it the five thousand point i've dealt with so much because it's not that it was that right

02:03:23.500 now encounters with the people that you're arresting if there are five thousand encounters per day

02:03:29.460 that doesn't do anything in terms of enhancing presidential powers what this bill proposed was not

02:03:34.820 that you're letting them go but instead that the five thousand triggers new power that trump never

02:03:42.060 had that obama never had that biden never had that allows you to restrict the asylum process because

02:03:46.480 right now under u.s law trump and biden same you have to hear asylum claims very expansively this would

02:03:53.700 restrict that once the encounters get out of control which is very different than just letting

02:03:57.920 them with five thousand people right up until you hear what i said but they're still getting arrested

02:04:01.340 yes okay they're still getting arrested they weren't being held they were being allowed

02:04:04.800 and and as a thing i put it in the doc right yeah i put it in the doc just i'll pull it up but let's

02:04:10.920 do the comparison later because i know that'll immediately prompt more responses than just

02:04:13.620 i do think biden harrett that hurt them a lot that issue but politically it didn't spike crime crime

02:04:18.080 has been plummeting on them but i i do think as an issue they were afraid of the really um which a lot

02:04:25.680 of beautiful people doing this work the immigrant advocates they were afraid that they would look too much

02:04:29.900 like trump's inhumane policies which he went too far in the inhumane direction like like kids in

02:04:34.140 cages that was actually fake photos from under obama the cages weren't for separating the cages

02:04:39.280 weren't for separating children like trump was doing um but yes that's when you get arrested

02:04:43.320 you know obama parents don't get and yes when you get arrested before i think that's right

02:04:47.540 kid you think it's inhumane to be arrested and then have to have your kids not people

02:04:51.420 kids should be held in jail with their parents but given the type of crime that crossing the border

02:04:56.860 illegally is and it not being a felony you can fact check me on that but okay but you're having

02:05:02.600 people if you keep them together separating the children a very traumatic thing if maybe they have

02:05:08.320 a valid um you know asylum claim and all of a sudden you're doing this crazy thing and then they get all

02:05:12.140 mixed up and it's this old but do you see why wait so my thing i'm trying to be nice to y'all

02:05:18.420 yes they waited they waited too long to take it seriously but then y'all don't have a thing to

02:05:25.080 say about it because once they were ready to take it seriously republicans went okay here's my turn

02:05:30.300 and i said i put in the doc newsweek reports trump released your your brains are going to explode but

02:05:35.580 more migrants with criminal records than biden did okay entering the u.s is a felony okay time out

02:05:40.420 time out time out thank you i mean so wait let me just go don't talk okay so here we go lisa what i want

02:05:46.600 to say is when this is like it's humane i think it's more humane to separate kids from their parents

02:05:53.400 like in these situations because you're housing them with other people who cross the border who

02:05:56.860 have not been vetted so do i want kids in this tightly quartered environment with people who

02:06:02.000 may be like adults that may be predators or things like that no you want the kids separated from them

02:06:09.220 so that they're wait let me finish you the first offense is a misdemeanor is where you got to go

02:06:13.620 let me go so so i think it's more humane to separate the kids to protect their well-being

02:06:18.880 now that said now come here you said this is my biggest thing because i did a lot of street

02:06:22.620 interviews with james klug on this the biggest thing that they say is when trump when when we

02:06:27.440 were ready to act can congress didn't want to do it let me show you this in two because i was here for

02:06:31.640 this in 2019 the democ the the democrats rejected a border wall now can you please scroll down

02:06:36.840 there and look at the things that it offered okay we were giving okay okay 800 million for urgent

02:06:44.300 humanitarian assistance uh 500 million for drug detection additional border agents immigration

02:06:50.200 judges that was huge right we also were giving keep going if you go all the way down oh yeah

02:06:55.020 allowing central american minors to apply in their home countries all these things and then in exchange

02:07:01.140 where we were giving recipients from the like the daca we were letting we were going to give more

02:07:06.580 daca recipients the ability to become naturalized and a three-year extensions of temporary protected

02:07:11.520 status for people that were here dems rejected it so when you want to give me the argument that well we

02:07:16.860 republicans didn't want to do anything no we actually gave them a way more balanced bill than they ever

02:07:22.600 put on the table but it is this is an npr article oh you're right more balanced you're right yeah we gave

02:07:27.840 more we gave you way more balanced opportunity so i don't want to hear that we weren't ready to play

02:07:32.240 ball this is what i'm talking about though whenever that wasn't biden biden wasn't in power then i'm

02:07:38.420 talking about biden because that's who was running for president we're talking about democrat versus

02:07:41.560 republican here is i can't speak for every democratic action because i can tell you this well we're talking

02:07:46.960 about the democratic congress for every republican congress rejected they just like the republican

02:07:51.200 congress oh my gosh wait no you got to talk it's my turn so what i'm saying you asked me a question i want to

02:07:56.020 i'm saying that the democrats the democ you said you're changing it back to biden like that's not

02:08:00.640 what we're doing you said the congress didn't want to act administration no you said congress you said

02:08:05.900 you brought up what did i think about the biden administration handling of the border i'm not

02:08:09.520 going to defend you on this one because i don't need you to defend i'm just saying you did ask me

02:08:13.300 about biden administration you said i want to talk about this congress let me talk about it i'm not

02:08:17.260 gonna finish my statement you said congress didn't act the congress refused act you didn't say

02:08:21.160 biden didn't act or trump didn't act you said congress and so i'm going back to

02:08:24.880 during the biden administration i said for the first three or like the first two and a half years

02:08:29.620 he slow walked he did bad bad bad i condemn and then when it was time and then on this the whole

02:08:37.480 border wall thing i agree it got so ridiculously blown out of proportion give him the damn border

02:08:44.680 wall if he wants it we tried to work with you this is what this is showing and you rejected us and

02:08:49.420 then when we reject you it's oh we are responsible for the immigration policy no you wouldn't work with

02:08:54.260 us for years when we offered way more fair policy i was told i was told that trump had fixed everything

02:09:00.280 and handed that to biden it was way better look at the stats okay way better well there was because

02:09:04.020 they were afraid of him because he was leaving leaving office but uh no the one year y'all love

02:09:08.800 was the pandemic here because migration froze because of the pandemic but i don't even know if

02:09:13.120 we want to go there um because that's like you won't speak for all democrats but just speak for all

02:09:18.040 of us you have two minutes and i wanted to get to see what we could agree on and how we could get

02:09:21.200 along but let's finish this up how about we both agree that obstructing solutions because in nancy

02:09:26.820 pelosi's case she probably didn't want to give trump a win in uh the republican-led congress they

02:09:31.560 didn't want to give biden a win is bad regardless of who's doing all right so all right so we are

02:09:36.400 gonna wrap it up um but i do want to get final thoughts would you go ahead luca what do you what

02:09:40.500 do you what do you got for us thank you for watching i've enjoyed talking with all of you go

02:09:43.580 watch on my channel we can't say what we're gonna agree on obviously we can say we'll do it a different

02:09:49.100 one isabella and i have a show once a week on sundays that comes out called the grudge

02:09:53.460 where we do a lot of this and she's way way more fiery than that's because i take over it's explosive

02:09:59.960 yeah um too much so we have to edit some out so yeah see we can't have isabella's stuff

02:10:04.500 y'all would have a difficult time editing if she went full isabella um so that's interesting

02:10:10.060 and fun time editing i do think if you're sort of like liberal curious i'm the best version of it

02:10:16.680 yeah we have a show you guys should watch it we fight we literally are yelling at each other the

02:10:20.500 entire time it's a lot of fun i do i do want to commend luke for coming and sitting and talking

02:10:24.940 with us because it really was three against one so he's a good sport most leftists won't do that so

02:10:29.620 that's really cool and yeah it was exciting i think you're reasonable and i think that we could

02:10:33.560 get to a lot more neutral ground for sure people think we can yeah i think we can agree on stuff

02:10:37.820 even though that was a whole two hours of fighting yeah that was crazy that was like yelling

02:10:42.440 that flew by that was me yelling i know but then i felt like i had to yell loud person though i know

02:10:46.480 you are oh yeah thanks for having me check out the show um i also have a youtube channel at

02:10:50.500 isabella moody underscore and yeah lisa i just want to say like i said thanks for coming out i really

02:10:56.320 appreciate it i i think we need more of these kind of discussions and it's as somebody who books for

02:11:00.540 this show specifically it's really difficult to get leftists to come on at all to even engage in

02:11:05.920 these conversations and this was really brutal usually it's not this bad it's not three against one

02:11:09.180 um so thank you and if you have any friends that want to come on send them our way and you can come

02:11:14.240 with them you can tag team in you know like oh i got a good one okay good like let's set it up because

02:11:18.560 um i think it's interesting and more people um our audience likes it like our audience wants us to

02:11:25.440 engage with you more so um thanks for coming on i appreciate it and i do i'm sad we missed an

02:11:30.140 opportunity to think about to talk about the things we do agree on because i think that there could be

02:11:33.460 lots of things so maybe next time we'll do hey what can we agree on because

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - December 20, 2024

Gen Z Debate： Conservative vs Liberal, Why Trump WON Gen Z

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