On January 6th, 2021, four members of the Office of Professional Standards were on duty in Washington, D.C. when a group of pro-Donald Trump supporters were arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit a crime at the U.S. Capitol. On January 20th, President Donald Trump issued an executive order pardoning or commuting the sentences of everyone alleged to have committed crimes at the Capitol that day.
00:02:00.460So, you know, I mean, there's, you know, four of you guys and everyone has had has a different experience on the on the on the 6th.
00:02:08.640Why don't we why don't you go ahead and start and tell tell me what the situation was for you with on January 6th and then through the court.
00:02:17.220And then we'll go through, go through that, go through the.
00:02:19.500Yeah, sure. So Oath Keepers was there to do security that day at two permitted events on Capitol grounds.
00:02:25.120One was the Latinos for Trump event in Lower Senate Park, which is called Area 7.
00:02:30.200And the other one was the Ali Alexander Stopped a Steal Rally right outside the doors on the east side in Area 8.
00:02:35.980And that's why we were there to do security.
00:02:37.680And our guys escorted a bunch of people from the Ellipse rally in the VIP section towards the Capitol for Ali Alexander's event.
00:02:44.680And then they got swept up in the excitement of the day and walked into the into the Capitol 20 minutes after Congress had recessed.
00:02:51.940And when they were inside, they actually helped police.
00:02:55.080I was standing outside, didn't even go inside, but I was standing on the outside trying to locate my security teams.
00:03:00.480But of course, because we're Oath Keepers, we were targeted for, along with the Proud Boys, the worst charges of all.
00:03:06.680So it's just conspiracy, which is just absurd.
00:03:10.900In fact, there was one officer, Harry Dunn, who was on his M4 getting ready to shoot a bunch of Trump supporters.
00:03:16.640And our guys stepped in between and de-escalated the situation, put their backs to the officer, put their hands out towards the Trump supporters and de-escalated it.
00:03:48.860So I got 18 years because I refused to turn on President Trump, refused to bitch out, refused to take a plea deal with the trial, along with my co-defendants.
00:05:35.300But actually, when I went for sentencing, I figured I'd only get like a few months, maybe six months, maybe house arrest, something like that I was hoping for.
00:05:43.300But I felt like they were trying to make an example of me so that they wouldn't have other actors at rallies or something.
00:06:20.000But they were like, he obviously doesn't take this seriously and he's making fun of these proceedings and then proceeded to show a video that I had shot myself on my phone of some rioters crowd surfing a big ladder into the tunnel entrance to fight police with a two-story ladder.
00:06:40.140And I thought that was kind of funny and made a comment about them trying to fix the light bulbs finally.
00:06:45.280And that was some hilarious joke that, of course, was very bad for for me.
00:06:57.400That that working on your comedy is something that I want to get back to a little bit.
00:07:00.500But, Jacob, you're probably the most notorious of the of the panel here just because of the the regalia uniform that you wore on January 6th.
00:07:10.920Why don't you go ahead and outline a little bit of your experience?
00:07:12.840My experience was a day of unity, peace and love.
00:07:18.240And when I made my way down to the Capitol building, I in my experience, everything was fine until the police started shooting concussion grenades, tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd.
00:07:30.680That's when all hell broke loose was that was when the riot started.
00:07:34.320OK, so if the police were shooting tear gas at the barricades to push people back from the barricades, that would make sense.
00:07:40.000But they were shooting it into the middle of a peaceful crowd.
00:07:42.460So people are going to move forward to get away to get away from the tear gas.
00:07:46.200I don't know. I mean, you're a Marine. You know, tear gas sucks.
00:07:48.740It is your instinct to move away from it.
00:07:51.100You know, so that was when all hell broke loose.
00:07:53.820I saw people breaking in the windows and stuff on the Senate side.
00:07:57.180I went in. They went in. They kicked the doors open.
00:08:00.700And then I saw everybody pouring in and I'm like, oh, my God, you know, this is our sacred building here.
00:08:05.260We got to we can't have violence and vandalism and theft inside this sacred chamber.
00:08:09.540So I went inside to stop vandalism, violence and theft.
00:08:25.300That was my intention when I went in the building.
00:08:27.260I also volunteered to help the police when I saw there were people in the Senate.
00:08:30.760That's why they were escorting me around the building.
00:08:33.300And I also, when I got out of the building, I was the one that played Donald Trump's tweet on my megaphone and stood in front of an angry mob trying to break into the Capitol and told everybody to go home.
00:08:42.940So there was a lot of distortion in the Mockingbird Media's narrative.
00:08:48.440They chose to use me as their poster boy because my image created the illusion that the violence and the chaos that took place outside the building also took place inside, even though it didn't.
00:08:59.620You see, so it created that PSYOP illusion.
00:09:02.600And in that regard, what's really funny is they tried to say that when they went after me that it was because, you know, I was dangerous or a flight risk or whatever.
00:09:11.240But, and then they tried to say there was no bias in their, in their approach to this.
00:09:16.320But when I asked for my regalia back, when I got out, the government didn't want to give it back because they said that the regalia, the horns, the face paint, the staff, my presence there was a quote unquote sign of strength on January 6th.
00:09:29.100And so now it makes it, you can, you can borrow mine.
00:09:33.120I mean, it just, and now it all makes sense why they kept me in solitary, why they made me an example, why they gave me a 41 month sentence, why they put the sentencing enhancements that are unconstitutional.
00:09:43.040Why just all of it makes so much sense.
00:09:46.60010 and a half months over the entire time.
00:09:48.940Well, it kind of, I, I, they transferred me over to, um, uh, Colorado for a psych eval.
00:09:54.680Well, and what's really crazy about that, and this just goes to show that when you, when you ask a lawyer to represent you, make sure they are going to represent you.
00:10:02.620Because when I got back from Colorado, after my psych eval, my lawyer had lied to the media and told everybody that I was schizophrenic, bipolar, depressed, and delusional.
00:10:24.380And, and take a minute to talk about what your experience was like?
00:10:27.560Yeah, so I, I went to January 6th to cover it, uh, as a journalist.
00:10:30.580I was there with a media group I'm a part of called Murder in the Media, which is why we doodled that on the door, which was a, a big spicy moment.
00:10:36.560And then had the somewhat famous photograph of me smoking a cigarette.
00:10:39.340That word does tend to get people a little nervy, right?
00:11:01.260There's inside the building and outside the building.
00:11:03.920And none of it would have happened if those cops did not go completely hard on a group of people who were not expecting it and not used to it.
00:11:26.760When, when, as a man, when you see these grandmothers being maced and tear gassed and flash banged, there's a certain reaction in your heart.
00:11:33.940Yeah, push them down and run over them.
00:12:25.880There was some, but we suspect the ones that were violent inside, like, for example, there was a, there was a situation, Tariq Johnson, I don't know if you saw the black officer with his, with the Trump hat on his head.
00:12:36.380And so, he, he recruited an Oath Keeper, retired cop, Mike Nichols, on the east side to go up with him, up the steps, and he gave Mike Nichols his bullhorn.
00:12:44.460And Mike Nichols said, Oath Keeper coming through and part of the, part of the crowd.
00:12:47.700We weren't allowed to show this to the, to the jury, of course.
00:12:49.500But he went inside with, with Tariq Johnson and helped get some of the Capitol Police officers out who were all dressed in riot gear.
00:12:55.580There were some violent people inside.
00:12:57.440He suspects that those were provocateurs.
00:13:01.040There was, was the inside job provocateurs.
00:13:02.640There was very few people being very violent inside.
00:13:04.900But that was the one exception that I know it was that, that incident.
00:13:07.660But once again, we were not allowed to show any of that to the jury.
00:13:10.420We're not allowed to show any, any, any footage of an Oath Keeper cop helping the police because that doesn't fit the narrative.
00:13:15.640The narrative is we're anti-cop somehow.
00:13:18.040So, generally, and this is just, I want to ask this of everybody, do you guys feel like you had a fair representation?
00:13:25.140The, the, the, the prosecutors were actually giving a fair representation.
00:13:28.580Now, I understand the prosecutors are going to try to, you know, convince the jury that you are, are guilty.
00:13:37.220But do you feel like it was a dishonest portrayal?
00:13:40.560Or do you think that it was just, that it was something that you could say, no, there, there were times where they were, they were saying things.
00:13:46.480And I can understand their perspective, but I disagree with it.
00:13:49.300No, they were, they were, they were outside the lines.
00:18:26.300The point is someone was actually threatening to kill them and they were actually on site at their residence.
00:18:31.520Just like you guys have mentioned, the 2020 Summer of Love, the whole riots across the country and you hear that the vice president was promoting a bail fund for the rioters.
00:18:46.660And I also think that that's part of why January 6th happened.
00:19:10.740That was under siege for at least 100 days, possibly longer.
00:19:14.260Every night the riot police were out there, you know, defending the feds' building.
00:19:19.700And so when you go to D.C. thinking that it's going to be a peaceful protest, and the vast majority of people were, you know, it makes sense that the American people are kind of like, wait a minute here.
00:19:45.2602020, all of 2020, and the Hunter Biden laptop suppression, along with the rigged election, along with January 6th, all of these things are the hallmarks of regime change.
00:19:56.240Our government, the CIA, our government has become expert level at regime change.
00:20:00.740What we have to do is recognize all the hallmarks or all the signs of regime change, right?
00:20:05.880Most of the time regime changes happen when there's a death of a monarch or an election, okay?
00:20:11.080So what we saw in 2020 was a globalist, Chinese, radical Islam, like all of these – communist, fascism, Satanism, Luciferian, they all got together pretty much and agreed that they were going to try to destroy America.
00:20:27.000And if you look into Yuri Bezmenov and his talk about the ideological subversion campaign of the Soviet Union, psychological warfare, demoralization, destabilization, crisis, and normalization, then what you're seeing when you look at January 6th in context of the last several decades is that these people that have been trying to destroy our country for decades finally got in office.
00:20:52.100At least that's what January 6th and all that stuff was all about.
00:20:54.500And I consider it just a really crappy afternoon, you know?
00:21:14.720My intent on being there was to basically stand up for people that couldn't be there, you know, and myself included to support, I guess, pushback against a lot of the lefts where we were headed politically in our country.
00:21:31.140The ridiculous things that were being instituted in schools, the indoctrination, the trans movement, not to say that I'm against trans people or anything like that.
00:21:46.040It's just that it doesn't really have a place and a forefront in our society and to be celebrated as much as it was kind of shoved down our throats.
00:21:55.000And that type of thing just didn't seem to make sense to me.
00:21:58.280And when I was there, I was quite surprised at the group that – people that made up that group.
00:22:08.160It was a lot of, as I said, like grandmas and older people.
00:22:21.140And it's not a crowd that showed up to do battle, you know, to usurp the government or overthrow anything.
00:22:29.920And the amounts of the tear gas that was shot into the crowd and the rubber bullets, which I didn't experience any of the rubber bullets, but the tear gas certainly, that was pretty intense stuff that, you know, you're just a group standing there.
00:22:44.840It was kind of a boring, boring event, I've said many times.
00:22:48.280It was not like the news characterized it or, you know, how you would experience it watching it at home live.
00:22:56.020It was – they were cutting from one action moment to the next, and it just seemed like a wall of violence, and it certainly wasn't that.
00:23:04.140I'd never been to a protest before, and I had no idea what was going to happen.
00:23:07.960So I was kind of surprised when I started seeing people in, like, younger guys in military, you know, stuff, garb, pulling weapons and stuff out of their backpacks.
00:23:21.500And I thought, well, this is kind of weird.
00:23:23.580I thought this was just a protest that would be, you know, certainly peaceful.
00:23:27.920And they started, you know, yelling at the police and this and that.
00:23:31.640And later on, I figured that that was what they meant by agent provocateurs and the presence of the FBI's assets and CHSs and confidential human sources and that type of thing.
00:23:46.380And when I heard about that, it felt like there was a lot of that there because it was very odd.
00:23:52.420Like, out of nowhere, people would just, you know, start shit with the – excuse me, start stuff with the police.
00:23:58.120And then I also saw the police being very – like, starting stuff themselves.
00:24:03.520Like, when people would turn around, they'd hit them with a club or just be very aggressive out of – with little provocation.
00:24:12.300And it became very confusing as to why these pockets of violence were erupting and what people were planning on doing with that.
00:24:21.520So, when I got caught up in it, I was – I didn't feel threatened at all because the group was, for the most part, you know, peaceful.
00:24:29.780And it started, you know, getting a little bit rowdy.
00:24:33.920And I thought, well, this is ridiculous.
00:25:14.940So, what happened in 2020 is, like we were already saying, the left was in wide open insurrection across the country, taking over territory in Seattle, Atlanta, all over the place.
00:25:23.640They were actually committing insurrection.
00:25:25.460So, the reaction to what the violence on the left was going on is why you had Trump supporters wearing helmets and hard knuckle gloves because Antifa had been attacking them for years.
00:25:33.640And there were two other big rallies, November and December in D.C., where folks marched from Freedom Plaza all the way to the Supreme Court right there between the Supreme Court and the Capitol, all around the Capitol.
00:25:45.080So, already – the pattern was to have rallies all over Washington, D.C., including all around the Capitol.
00:25:52.260And so, when people went from the ellipse to Washington to the Capitol, it's because there were already planned events.
00:25:57.640I believe there was nine planned events around the Capitol that day, as there had been in November and December.
00:26:02.560So, when people say, oh, well, Trump told them to go to the Capitol, otherwise they would never have gone there, that's just not true.
00:26:07.740When he said, now you're going to go to the Capitol, what he meant was, is now I know you're going to the Capitol for pre-planned events.
00:26:13.020And so, when folks walk there, the fact that they're wearing helmets because Antifa likes to throw frozen water bottles and bricks and things like that, none of them were dressed to fight the government or take over the government.
00:26:23.360They were dressed that way to protect themselves against Antifa.
00:26:48.700Walking around D.C. the night before, I did notice a few times I would run across like four or five people wide down the sidewalk walking on a dark street,
00:27:00.240and they were all like Antifa looking with the black hoodies and all that.
00:34:47.060I do think that that's probably one of the more notable issues that was fairly obvious.
00:34:54.920Like you guys had said, BLM and Antifa had been active opposition at every single Trump rally.
00:35:02.380You couldn't go to a Trump rally without there being at least some Antifa, black block, wearing the whole getup.
00:35:11.120And that's why both Oathkeepers and Proud Boys over the entire administration, we've been out there in the streets constantly defending people against them.
00:36:01.880By the way, also, a Ukrainian spy named Sergei Dabinem was there.
00:36:05.160I only know that because the FBI told me he was a Ukrainian spy because he asked to take a picture with me.
00:36:09.380And I had no idea who he was until the FBI told me who he was.
00:36:12.260So, obviously, Ukraine intelligence has a role to play.
00:36:16.840And then, wait a second, we went to war in Ukraine after Biden got in office?
00:36:20.600But the point is, it was a setup designed to create a PSYOP.
00:36:25.080The PSYOP was intended to create a demand for Donald Trump to not ever be in office again.
00:36:31.320Also, to impeach him or even throw him in prison.
00:36:33.980And to go after his supporters, to paint his supporters as evil, insurrectionist, dangerous to democracy.
00:36:40.340And to have the constituents of the Democrat Party demand that these people not have their constitutional rights obeyed.
00:36:48.180So, we see the layout here of how it is that they saw that, okay, if we're going to do a regime change, we need to go after this group.
00:36:57.020And we have to figure out a way to demonize them as much as possible so that when we go after them in the media, the country will cheer.
00:37:03.760Yeah, I mean, I don't get the sense that there's a lot of disagreement with those points on the right.
00:37:10.900I feel like that's kind of the common sentiment.
00:37:13.740That the intent of going after Donald Trump was to prevent him from being the president again.
00:37:18.700The intent of going after you guys and your fellow, you know, the people that were at January 6th.
00:37:23.860The intent of doing that and kicking in the doors of old ladies and using actual, you know, direct action raids on innocent people was to strike fear in the hearts of conservatives.
00:37:37.340Make them afraid that the government will treat them as if they're terrorists.
00:37:41.200And that's also what, you know, that was the point of the FBI going after parents for having the wrong politics.
00:37:46.820Because they had the audacity to go and stand up against some of the stuff that you were talking about, Jay, about the LGBT stuff in schools.
00:37:53.840They had the audacity to go to, for going to a PTA meeting and saying, I don't want my kids to see this.
00:37:59.620And so the federal government gets involved.
00:38:01.600So I think that that's the general consensus.
00:38:04.240Um, I don't know that there's, there's, I don't think that there's a lot of people that disagree, but you were talking about, um, about the, the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys and stuff like that being security.
00:50:08.420But I understand what you're saying where people would just turn their backs on you and start saying, you know, people that were ostensibly friendly with you or that you were, you know, you'd had, you know, great relationships with or even positive relationships would just simply start, you know, trashing you in press and in public.
00:50:27.800And so I'm very, very familiar with that.
00:51:03.100And he, of course, you know, must, I mean, I can't even imagine his mindset must be that, oh, that guy I've known for years is obviously a terrorist, a domestic terrorist and wants to destroy our way of life and whatever.
00:51:19.680It just seems like a cloud of nonsense descended upon people for the last few years.
00:51:27.620I mean, granted, this happened four years ago, but it hasn't let up, really.
00:51:33.060I mean, people still, yeah, well, I mean, that day when I was put on Twitter by the FBI ended, I mean, I got fired from my jobs and I called my agent to say, well, I think I got fired from Bob's Burgers.
00:51:47.620I mean, I don't know because nobody called me.
00:53:33.560That's because of who's in the government.
00:53:36.100So if we can talk about this, I really think it's important because there's a lot of people online that are complaining about a certain country.
00:53:55.940And so is any other country that is going to get in this, you know, country wide gangbang that has been going on for a long, long, long time.
00:54:04.640OK, that's why we've been getting screwed.
00:54:06.840When Donald Trump came in and said, we're not doing this anymore, then their their local whore decided to no longer be a whore, you know.
00:54:13.740And but but now what we're seeing, though, is that look at it like this.
00:54:17.840So in Sun Tzu, Art of War, he said that if you want to know who your spies are, what you do is you take each of your generals into your tent individually and you give them each a different piece of disinformation.
00:54:29.580And then when that when a certain piece of disinformation pops up in the enemy camp, you know who your spies are.
00:54:36.100You know where your leak is at. So it's like putting a different color dye in each of your different little, you know, dye holders.
00:54:43.300Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the idea here is, is that if we look and see who's pushing this Chinese agenda, this new world order, one world government, UN 2030 agenda, we see the dye in the water.
00:54:53.380We can see the networks of news organizations, newspapers, magazines, social media influencers, celebrities.
00:55:00.340We get to see the whole globalist apparatus if we know what to look for.
00:55:05.400Yeah. I mean, the the the influence of, you know, globalist organizations like, you know, the WTO, the the International Monetary Fund, those those kind of things are are something that our viewers are actually really, really familiar with.
00:55:22.100Like they're they're pretty. I think that I think they're pretty read in on, you know, the dangers of the U.N., the dangers of of of continuing to be a part of those organizations.
00:55:34.200And it's our at least my sense that we really dodged a bullet with Donald Trump, you know, being elected this time.
00:55:40.800And I've said literally. Yeah. Yeah. Literally.
00:55:44.340They tried to kill him when they could not keep him out through all the other mechanisms.
00:55:47.500Yeah. It's like really. I had other plans. Right.
00:55:50.880I had I've said more than once that, you know, leading up to the election, I didn't think Donald Trump was going to win.
00:55:57.120And the reason I didn't think this time this time, yeah, I didn't think Donald Trump was going to win because I didn't think that he was going to be allowed to win.
00:56:02.380Right. So I really had thought that the the powers that be the the establishment, the the entrenched bureaucracy had enough control over the media and enough influence over the population where there just wasn't going to be the votes.
00:56:15.520And if there were something and if it was close, if it was close, they would have the means to to fix it.
00:56:21.440And I tell you what, I've never been happier to be wrong.
00:56:25.180But and it also not only does it does make me happy that I was wrong, but it also gives me more hope than I would have had, you know, I probably in the past four years and the situation as much as the stuff that you've gone through.
00:56:39.520Like, I don't want to minimize it at all. But the things that happened to you guys have really made the American people aware of how bad things were.
00:56:50.860And I think that, you know, how bad they can get. Yeah. And I don't want to like again, I don't want to wish I don't you know, I don't want to say, you know, that it was a good thing.
00:56:57.740But if it wasn't for people like you guys that that went through this and have had have the courage to speak up and say, look, this is these are problems in our country.
00:57:06.720And just like you're you're talking about the bringing to light things like Yuri Bezmenov and demoralization and and those kind of leftist tactics and shining a light on how much influence the left had, how these tactics actually are have been used historically.
00:57:23.940Every everyone that's, you know, over a certain age is aware of the way the the Soviets behaved.
00:57:29.720Right. Like I'm pushing 50. And when you're a Gen X, you can still remember what the Cold War was like when you were little and you saw the way that other countries had their had coups and stuff like stuff.
00:57:42.920And the things that the United States would end up pushing back on nowadays, most people have the sense that all of the the efforts that the United States was making in the in the Cold War were all the bad.
00:57:53.500They were the bad guys. They were wrong for doing it. They should have let et cetera happen.
00:57:56.820And they don't even realize that all the things that the left has done in all these smaller countries they've been doing here.
00:58:03.800And so, again, I actually I were your experience speaks to that. And I don't want to again, I don't want to say that.
00:58:10.260Well, I think I appreciate it. I think I just have to say, America, you're welcome.
00:58:14.320Yeah, I mean, all of us can I say except you're welcome.
00:58:17.720We have an opportunity here, unlike any other before.
00:58:22.340OK, because for the longest time, conspiracy theorists were marginalized.
00:58:32.580And we and we also are in the midst of a transformation in collective consciousness.
00:58:37.740We won the culture war. OK, that's why you were thinking, I don't know.
00:58:40.900Are we going to be able to pull this off? Because what we're talking about here is the collective mind.
00:58:44.760You were saying on January 6th, the collective mind was like, well, it looks like we're kind of screwed.
00:58:49.560But if you weren't watching the media in 2024 and you were just watching, you know, the rallies and who was showing up, then you knew Kamala Harris didn't stand a chance.
00:58:58.700Right. So the psyop, any and all psyops is about controlling the collective mind of the people.
00:59:04.060And the way you do that is through neuro linguistic programming.
00:59:20.760It was it was the they they surpassed riot and they called January 6th insurrection.
00:59:27.420Even though there is there is no historical allegory for that.
00:59:31.740There was nothing about January 6th that looked like an actual insurrection.
00:59:35.860And dare I say, from an outside perspective, there was really no question about whether or not Joe Biden was going to be sworn in as president that day.
00:59:45.860Right. There were people that were hoping that that that Mike Pence would do something that was unprecedented.
00:59:52.020Right. But really, like that, that from at least from my perspective, again, I was outside.
00:59:57.720Yeah, I was it was it was so far outside of the of the of likelihood that it was almost a guarantee that even though these people were protesting,
01:00:05.540there was not going to be any other outcome other than Joe Biden being sworn in as president.
01:00:10.960Right. You can go and protest and say, we don't like it.
01:00:13.780But there wasn't like there was no serious chance that that Pence was going to do that or that the Supreme Court was going to step in at the last minute and and save the republic.
01:00:23.840And again, now looking back again, it's best that they didn't.
01:00:26.840Exactly. It's very, very good for America that they didn't.
01:00:29.520So Satan reasons like a man. God thinks of eternity.
01:00:32.320Well, God, God will use for good what men mean for evil.
01:00:35.780Just like when Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers and later he's betrayed by his master's wife and thrown in prison.
01:00:42.040When his brothers were united with him, he said that what he meant for evil.
01:00:45.160God has used for good. That's what's happened here.
01:00:47.660Every attack on President Trump will meet him stronger and took the mask off.
01:00:51.140They took the mask off and showed their true selves.
01:00:53.560Unprecedented lawfare against the next president trying to keep him out of office.
01:00:57.520Unprecedented lawfare against his supporters.
01:00:59.540So I think in the long run, it's a benefit for all of us.
01:01:49.360That kind of juiced it up a bit again.
01:01:52.060And hopefully people are understanding more of what it was about and understanding that, you know, how deeply the government has affected people's lives as far as destroyed their lives, destroyed their businesses, destroyed their marriages.
01:02:08.940I mean, unbelievable fallout from this.
01:02:12.220And it all was so willfully done and so aggressively done that it is so far outside anything that you could ever imagine would exist in this country, would be allowed in this country.
01:02:24.920Well, except that, you know, I can say from my experience in prison, talking to other guys, what was done to us has been done to millions of Americans across the country in every courtroom in America.
01:02:33.220It's just now it's been politicized, done to people that normally wouldn't experience this.
01:02:37.260So it's in the long run, it's beneficial for everyone else out there.
01:02:40.740It's been railroaded by lying prosecutors.
01:02:43.720They're all committing subordination to perjury.
01:02:46.580They're all coercing people and taking deals where they are threatened, you know, long-term prison and then told they have to testify against somebody else.
01:02:54.240It happens all across the country in many other cases, drugs, guns, you name it.
01:03:01.900I agree that that does happen all the time, but I think the sentiment that Jay is talking about is actually predominant in America.
01:03:08.180I think like Joe Sixpack, and I talk about this a lot of times on like IRL and stuff on our show here, the average person that lives their life day to day, they maybe consume an hour of news per week.
01:03:22.260Like, they're busy getting their kids to school, they're busy worried about their own job, they're busy worried about, you know, their parents and making sure that their kids are going to be able to get to college or have a future.
01:03:35.020And even, and to, even so far as the, when you talk about like the deep state, whenever I'm talking about the deep state, I try to remember that the deep state is the vast majority of them are people that think they're doing the right thing and are just looking out for their jobs.
01:03:54.520Because the deep state is just the entrancy, they're the people that work at State Department, but they're not just the heads of the State Department, they're the people three levels down.
01:04:03.700The GS-12s, GS-11s, you know, government employees that they're like, man, I got to make sure that I have enough money to pay my car payment this month and pay my, you know, pay my bills.
01:04:13.480And I have some money tucked away and I have, you know, and they're worried about their future.
01:04:18.800And so, and when you, when you talk about the deep state in that way, when you talk about them as just people that are looking out for their own family, it makes, it takes, it makes the average person say, I relate to that and I understand.
01:04:31.960And it makes the average person stop thinking that, oh, you're a crazy guy talking about deep state conspiracy guys, but you're, you're actually a normal dude talking about normal administrators because everyone has dealt with some kind of government person like that.
01:05:06.760And I don't want it to, to sound offensive to anyone sitting at the table, but the more that we talk about it in a way that the average person doesn't understand, the more distance we put between the, between us and the people that we need to, to empathize with what you guys have gone through and what, and how it relates to their lives as well, because we want to prevent this stuff.
01:05:52.840They generally believe the same things.
01:05:54.840And they generally believe the same things that Netflix writers do.
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01:07:25.680What professors do, that people in Congress do, that the entire professional classes our country believes in as a whole.
01:07:33.200And to illustrate that point, to illustrate your point, in D.C., which is where the bureaucracy is located, it was 96% Kamala Harris, 4% Donald Trump.