The Culture War - Tim Pool - Getting Pardoned For January 6th, What Really Happened w⧸ Jay Johnston, Stewart Rhodes, Jacob Chansley, & Nick Ochs

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00:01:17.040 On January 20th, Donald Trump issued an executive order pardoning or commuting the sentences of

00:01:31.980 everyone alleged to have committed crimes at the Capitol on January 6th, 2021.

00:01:37.120 Today in studio, we have four people with intimate knowledge of that fateful day as they were at the Capitol on January 6th.

00:01:42.560 We have a full panel today. So, gentlemen, if you would introduce yourself, we'll start down here.

00:01:46.580 Stuart Rhodes, founder of Oath Keepers.

00:01:48.820 Jay Johnston, actor.

00:01:51.400 Jake Angeli Chansley, the shaman from J6.

00:01:54.880 And Nick Oakes. I did two years.

00:01:57.500 All right. Why don't you bring that up close to your face?

00:02:00.180 A little better.

00:02:00.460 So, you know, I mean, there's, you know, four of you guys and everyone has had has a different experience on the on the on the 6th.

00:02:08.640 Why don't we why don't you go ahead and start and tell tell me what the situation was for you with on January 6th and then through the court.

00:02:17.220 And then we'll go through, go through that, go through the.

00:02:19.500 Yeah, sure. So Oath Keepers was there to do security that day at two permitted events on Capitol grounds.

00:02:25.120 One was the Latinos for Trump event in Lower Senate Park, which is called Area 7.

00:02:30.200 And the other one was the Ali Alexander Stopped a Steal Rally right outside the doors on the east side in Area 8.

00:02:35.980 And that's why we were there to do security.

00:02:37.680 And our guys escorted a bunch of people from the Ellipse rally in the VIP section towards the Capitol for Ali Alexander's event.

00:02:44.680 And then they got swept up in the excitement of the day and walked into the into the Capitol 20 minutes after Congress had recessed.

00:02:51.940 And when they were inside, they actually helped police.

00:02:55.080 I was standing outside, didn't even go inside, but I was standing on the outside trying to locate my security teams.

00:03:00.480 But of course, because we're Oath Keepers, we were targeted for, along with the Proud Boys, the worst charges of all.

00:03:06.680 So it's just conspiracy, which is just absurd.

00:03:08.540 Our guys inside actually helped police.

00:03:10.900 In fact, there was one officer, Harry Dunn, who was on his M4 getting ready to shoot a bunch of Trump supporters.

00:03:16.640 And our guys stepped in between and de-escalated the situation, put their backs to the officer, put their hands out towards the Trump supporters and de-escalated it.

00:03:23.540 But on the stand, he lied.

00:03:25.620 And we caught him in the lie.

00:03:27.040 We caught another Capitol Police officer, Lazarus, lying.

00:03:30.560 He was caught later by Steve Baker on video because they said they were both together.

00:03:34.560 Well, later on, Steve Baker discovered that the Lazarus guy was actually under the tunnels, under the Senate.

00:03:39.260 So we caught him in perjury.

00:03:40.740 But that's what happened to us.

00:03:41.580 And so we were railroaded through a show trial.

00:03:43.680 It was all about stopping Trump from being able to run again, disqualifying by the 14th Amendment.

00:03:47.700 That's what really happened to us.

00:03:48.860 So I got 18 years because I refused to turn on President Trump, refused to bitch out, refused to take a plea deal with the trial, along with my co-defendants.

00:03:57.080 So I got 18 years.

00:03:58.540 Kelly Meggs, my co-defendant, got 14 years.

00:04:00.640 And then on down the line, Jessica Watkins and Kenny Harrelson, I believe we were like seven and five years each.

00:04:04.940 So long story short, though, this is all a big setup to try to get Trump out of office.

00:04:09.320 It's a complete dog and pony show.

00:04:10.940 So, Jay, what was it like for you on January 6th?

00:04:14.040 Well, you know, I didn't do any violence.

00:04:17.520 Sure.

00:04:17.780 I was caught up in a crowd push that trapped me in there for a bit.

00:04:22.780 And it appeared on video that I was pushing, but I was just trying to stand up.

00:04:27.520 So and I got out of there as soon as I could.

00:04:29.860 I was they considered that they should charge me with assault because I touched a police shield that was handed to me.

00:04:38.120 But I was just handing it back to the cops when they claimed that I was making or completing a shield wall.

00:04:44.460 And they basically just turned everything I had done that day because you're on video the entire time.

00:04:49.500 The most, you know, most videoed thing in human history, I guess.

00:04:53.080 You could see my my actions the whole time.

00:04:56.920 And they just characterized it as very violent or with ill intent and that type of thing.

00:05:03.860 And when I was they raided my house and then finally arrested me.

00:05:09.080 And I, as as Stuart said, I guess, bitched out.

00:05:13.480 I did take a plea.

00:05:14.720 That wasn't what I was saying.

00:05:16.020 Oh, well, I mean, not to me specifically.

00:05:18.400 I'm not I'm not I'm talking about the guys in my organization that turned actually like lied on the stand against us.

00:05:23.340 That's what I'm talking about.

00:05:23.980 Oh, I see.

00:05:25.100 And that is bitching out. 1.00

00:05:26.560 That's what you know.

00:05:27.780 That's good to know.

00:05:28.840 Yeah.

00:05:29.160 Yes.

00:05:29.460 Well, not you, brother.

00:05:30.380 Yeah.

00:05:31.280 The prosecutors bitched out on me.

00:05:33.420 They lied a bunch.

00:05:35.300 But actually, when I went for sentencing, I figured I'd only get like a few months, maybe six months, maybe house arrest, something like that I was hoping for.

00:05:43.300 But I felt like they were trying to make an example of me so that they wouldn't have other actors at rallies or something.

00:05:51.340 I don't know.

00:05:51.780 But they ended up the judge ended up giving me a sentence of a year and a day in prison.

00:05:58.720 And that was what really vaulted me into a larger sentence was one of the things was on the first page of my charging memorandum.

00:06:08.280 Sentencing memorandum was a picture of me from a Halloween party two years prior where I dressed up as Jacob Chansley, a QAnon shaman.

00:06:17.300 And it was the best costume ever.

00:06:20.000 But they were like, he obviously doesn't take this seriously and he's making fun of these proceedings and then proceeded to show a video that I had shot myself on my phone of some rioters crowd surfing a big ladder into the tunnel entrance to fight police with a two-story ladder.

00:06:40.140 And I thought that was kind of funny and made a comment about them trying to fix the light bulbs finally.

00:06:45.280 And that was some hilarious joke that, of course, was very bad for for me.

00:06:51.700 So I should work on my comedy a bit.

00:06:57.400 That that working on your comedy is something that I want to get back to a little bit.

00:07:00.500 But, Jacob, you're probably the most notorious of the of the panel here just because of the the regalia uniform that you wore on January 6th.

00:07:10.920 Why don't you go ahead and outline a little bit of your experience?

00:07:12.840 My experience was a day of unity, peace and love.

00:07:18.240 And when I made my way down to the Capitol building, I in my experience, everything was fine until the police started shooting concussion grenades, tear gas and rubber bullets into the crowd.

00:07:30.680 That's when all hell broke loose was that was when the riot started.

00:07:34.320 OK, so if the police were shooting tear gas at the barricades to push people back from the barricades, that would make sense.

00:07:40.000 But they were shooting it into the middle of a peaceful crowd.

00:07:42.460 So people are going to move forward to get away to get away from the tear gas.

00:07:46.200 I don't know. I mean, you're a Marine. You know, tear gas sucks.

00:07:48.740 It is your instinct to move away from it. 0.96

00:07:51.100 You know, so that was when all hell broke loose.

00:07:53.820 I saw people breaking in the windows and stuff on the Senate side.

00:07:57.180 I went in. They went in. They kicked the doors open.

00:08:00.700 And then I saw everybody pouring in and I'm like, oh, my God, you know, this is our sacred building here.

00:08:05.260 We got to we can't have violence and vandalism and theft inside this sacred chamber.

00:08:09.540 So I went inside to stop vandalism, violence and theft.

00:08:12.260 And that's exactly what I did.

00:08:13.400 There's plenty of video evidence to prove that within 30 seconds of being in the building, I actually stopped somebody from stealing.

00:08:18.640 Now, it's just muffins from a break room, but it's a principle of the matter.

00:08:24.040 I did stop somebody from stealing.

00:08:25.300 That was my intention when I went in the building.

00:08:27.260 I also volunteered to help the police when I saw there were people in the Senate.

00:08:30.760 That's why they were escorting me around the building.

00:08:33.300 And I also, when I got out of the building, I was the one that played Donald Trump's tweet on my megaphone and stood in front of an angry mob trying to break into the Capitol and told everybody to go home.

00:08:42.940 So there was a lot of distortion in the Mockingbird Media's narrative.

00:08:48.440 They chose to use me as their poster boy because my image created the illusion that the violence and the chaos that took place outside the building also took place inside, even though it didn't.

00:08:59.620 You see, so it created that PSYOP illusion.

00:09:02.600 And in that regard, what's really funny is they tried to say that when they went after me that it was because, you know, I was dangerous or a flight risk or whatever.

00:09:11.240 But, and then they tried to say there was no bias in their, in their approach to this.

00:09:16.320 But when I asked for my regalia back, when I got out, the government didn't want to give it back because they said that the regalia, the horns, the face paint, the staff, my presence there was a quote unquote sign of strength on January 6th.

00:09:29.100 And so now it makes it, you can, you can borrow mine.

00:09:32.280 Thanks.

00:09:33.120 I mean, it just, and now it all makes sense why they kept me in solitary, why they made me an example, why they gave me a 41 month sentence, why they put the sentencing enhancements that are unconstitutional.

00:09:43.040 Why just all of it makes so much sense.

00:09:45.160 How long were you in solitary?

00:09:46.600 10 and a half months over the entire time.

00:09:48.940 Well, it kind of, I, I, they transferred me over to, um, uh, Colorado for a psych eval.

00:09:54.680 Well, and what's really crazy about that, and this just goes to show that when you, when you ask a lawyer to represent you, make sure they are going to represent you.

00:10:02.620 Because when I got back from Colorado, after my psych eval, my lawyer had lied to the media and told everybody that I was schizophrenic, bipolar, depressed, and delusional.

00:10:12.300 None of which was in my psych eval.

00:10:14.120 So, I mean, this is coming back full circle.

00:10:16.580 This is why we need real representatives in the Congress, because most of our congressmen, guess what?

00:10:21.320 They're lawyers.

00:10:22.340 Yeah.

00:10:22.940 Uh, Stuart, why don't you go ahead?

00:10:24.380 And, and take a minute to talk about what your experience was like?

00:10:27.560 Yeah, so I, I went to January 6th to cover it, uh, as a journalist.

00:10:30.580 I was there with a media group I'm a part of called Murder in the Media, which is why we doodled that on the door, which was a, a big spicy moment.

00:10:36.560 And then had the somewhat famous photograph of me smoking a cigarette.

00:10:39.340 That word does tend to get people a little nervy, right?

00:10:42.240 Especially Congress people.

00:10:43.420 It's a sarcastic name for a funny media group.

00:10:45.880 We do more comedy than news.

00:10:47.920 You know, we're a telegram bunch.

00:10:49.700 And we were out there covering the, the Trump rally before.

00:10:52.160 And the footage wasn't great.

00:10:54.280 There wasn't, there wasn't that much going on.

00:10:56.020 And so when things started to happen, and what you touched on is very true.

00:11:00.040 There were two January 6th.

00:11:01.260 There's inside the building and outside the building.

00:11:03.920 And none of it would have happened if those cops did not go completely hard on a group of people who were not expecting it and not used to it.

00:11:11.020 Like, this is not BLM out there.

00:11:13.260 This is, this is angry dads.

00:11:14.840 And, I mean, I heard the people say, hey, I thought you were on our side.

00:11:19.140 Well, they, they learned today that the, they weren't.

00:11:21.820 But that's, that's what set this thing off.

00:11:23.940 And.

00:11:24.180 A lot of grandmas too.

00:11:25.400 Yeah, a lot, a lot of, exactly.

00:11:26.760 When, when, as a man, when you see these grandmothers being maced and tear gassed and flash banged, there's a certain reaction in your heart. 0.97

00:11:33.940 Yeah, push them down and run over them. 0.93

00:11:35.520 That's when the crowd shifted.

00:11:36.860 Right.

00:11:37.040 Exactly.

00:11:37.640 So, you know, and then as soon as people were inside, which wasn't too difficult, apparently, the, the, the mood was jovial.

00:11:45.900 It was, people were walking around inside the lines.

00:11:48.620 When you see that video, people, orderly, that's, that's an accurate representation of what was in there. 0.98

00:11:53.420 People go in and it was more of a, well, damn, we're here. 0.95

00:11:56.860 What now? 0.99

00:11:57.480 Yeah.

00:11:57.960 Yeah.

00:11:59.340 So, the, I'd like you all to actually comment about the, the, the, the dynamic that you were talking about, right?

00:12:06.180 So, inside, everyone, and now that you mention it, I don't recall seeing any, any video from inside where people were even getting rowdy.

00:12:16.820 Like, you hear people, like, talking about, oh, you know, that's a crazy riot when they're staying inside the, the ropes and stuff.

00:12:25.380 There was some.

00:12:25.880 There was some, but we suspect the ones that were violent inside, like, for example, there was a, there was a situation, Tariq Johnson, I don't know if you saw the black officer with his, with the Trump hat on his head.

00:12:36.380 And so, he, he recruited an Oath Keeper, retired cop, Mike Nichols, on the east side to go up with him, up the steps, and he gave Mike Nichols his bullhorn.

00:12:44.460 And Mike Nichols said, Oath Keeper coming through and part of the, part of the crowd.

00:12:47.700 We weren't allowed to show this to the, to the jury, of course.

00:12:49.500 But he went inside with, with Tariq Johnson and helped get some of the Capitol Police officers out who were all dressed in riot gear.

00:12:55.580 There were some violent people inside.

00:12:57.440 He suspects that those were provocateurs.

00:13:01.040 There was, was the inside job provocateurs.

00:13:02.640 There was very few people being very violent inside.

00:13:04.900 But that was the one exception that I know it was that, that incident.

00:13:07.660 But once again, we were not allowed to show any of that to the jury.

00:13:10.420 We're not allowed to show any, any, any footage of an Oath Keeper cop helping the police because that doesn't fit the narrative.

00:13:15.640 The narrative is we're anti-cop somehow.

00:13:18.040 So, generally, and this is just, I want to ask this of everybody, do you guys feel like you had a fair representation?

00:13:25.140 The, the, the, the prosecutors were actually giving a fair representation.

00:13:28.580 Now, I understand the prosecutors are going to try to, you know, convince the jury that you are, are guilty.

00:13:34.460 That's, that's, that's their job.

00:13:35.940 So, that, that does make sense.

00:13:37.220 But do you feel like it was a dishonest portrayal?

00:13:40.560 Or do you think that it was just, that it was something that you could say, no, there, there were times where they were, they were saying things.

00:13:46.480 And I can understand their perspective, but I disagree with it.

00:13:49.300 No, they were, they were, they were outside the lines.

00:13:51.060 They were suborning perjury.

00:13:52.240 They were coaching, lying on the stand.

00:13:54.260 They were withholding what they call pretty material, exculpatory evidence.

00:13:57.340 And one more thing, do you think the judges were also biased beforehand?

00:14:01.080 Yes.

00:14:01.160 Absolutely.

00:14:01.860 Absolutely.

00:14:02.640 Now, I actually want to comment on that, okay?

00:14:05.120 Because the government fought tooth and nail to get these things tried, these cases tried in D.C., okay?

00:14:12.080 They did not want to go anywhere else because they knew, and if I'm not mistaken, they even said as much to Enrique Tarrio,

00:14:17.440 that they knew that they'd get laughed out of court if they went anywhere else but D.C., right?

00:14:21.280 So, if we have a court system in Washington, D.C. that you're going to get a different ruling on than if you're in Phoenix, A.Z.,

00:14:31.500 and it's still a federal court, right, but it's different rulings, then we have a two-tier justice system.

00:14:36.920 We, as January Sixers, were over-prosecuted.

00:14:40.060 There's something called prosecutorial discretion, okay?

00:14:42.700 Now, prosecutors chose to go after us with all of their might.

00:14:48.460 They chose to go after us the way they should have gone after Joe Biden's son, right?

00:14:52.520 The way they should have gone after Hunter Biden, you see?

00:14:55.140 But they used their prosecutorial discretion to over-prosecute us and under-prosecute BLM and Antifa,

00:15:00.800 which, by the way, over 200 days' worth of riots and 95% to 98% of the charges, federal charges, on Antifa and BLM dropped.

00:15:09.240 Dropped.

00:15:09.740 Yeah.

00:15:10.440 I was at the wrong rallies, obviously.

00:15:12.700 If you've been to the White House, they drove President Trump under the bunker in June.

00:15:18.900 We talk about that a lot, the May 29th insurrection at the White House,

00:15:24.880 because of the fact that the media did treat that as if it was just people getting a little too rambunctious or whatever.

00:15:33.380 Mostly peaceful.

00:15:34.120 Mostly peaceful.

00:15:34.860 But if that—I think everyone around the table here, and pretty much all of our viewers,

00:15:41.680 would agree that if that were to have been Joe Biden or Barack Obama, all of the people at the White House would have been wrapped up,

00:15:50.200 and it's possible that Secret Service would have gone kinetic on them.

00:15:53.840 And don't forget, the pro-Palestinian Hamas people stormed the Capitol just the other day, thanks to Rashida Tlaib, right?

00:16:02.380 Wasn't that last year?

00:16:03.400 Into the Capitol?

00:16:04.120 Into the Capitol building.

00:16:05.300 Into the dome area.

00:16:07.800 They were in there unlawfully, from what I understand.

00:16:10.600 Well, I think the most egregious time that happened was during the Kavanaugh hearings.

00:16:13.940 People came into the Capitol and the Supreme Court, and they were greeted by AOC and Nancy Pelosi.

00:16:19.560 Yeah, I mean—

00:16:20.080 Then they'd post their fundraiser.

00:16:21.460 That's wild.

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00:17:42.700 People in the U.S. I think actually look at the situation when it comes to January 6th and they say, well, wait a minute.

00:17:49.060 So it's bad the guys that were fighting the cops, right?

00:17:52.060 We can agree that that's bad.

00:17:53.640 And this is just a genuine sense.

00:17:54.800 I'm not trying to make an argument for that or against that.

00:17:56.900 But I feel like the genuine sense is it was bad, the people that fought the cops.

00:18:01.260 But there were so many people that were arrested and there were so many people that got such extensive sentences.

00:18:08.120 And yet at the same time, you had people that were outside of Supreme Court justices' houses.

00:18:12.780 And there was a guy that was threatening.

00:18:15.540 Which was against the law.

00:18:16.480 Yeah, it was against the law.

00:18:17.640 Right.

00:18:18.140 But there was a guy that was threatening to kill one of the Supreme Court.

00:18:21.540 I think it was Kavanaugh.

00:18:23.360 But it might have been Alito.

00:18:24.720 I'm not sure.

00:18:25.400 Either way, it doesn't matter.

00:18:26.300 The point is someone was actually threatening to kill them and they were actually on site at their residence.

00:18:31.520 Just like you guys have mentioned, the 2020 Summer of Love, the whole riots across the country and you hear that the vice president was promoting a bail fund for the rioters.

00:18:46.660 And I also think that that's part of why January 6th happened.

00:18:51.660 There had been a whole year of riots.

00:18:54.740 Oh, yeah.

00:18:55.280 And you saw the way the government had treated those people and it had been kid gloves the entire time.

00:19:01.460 An FBI, a federal building in Portland.

00:19:04.440 Or is it the Portlander?

00:19:05.280 It was Colorado, I think.

00:19:06.340 It was Portland.

00:19:06.740 It was the courthouse?

00:19:07.640 It was the courthouse in Portland, Oregon.

00:19:08.760 It was in Portland?

00:19:09.540 Oh, okay.

00:19:09.940 In Portland, Oregon.

00:19:10.740 That was under siege for at least 100 days, possibly longer.

00:19:14.260 Every night the riot police were out there, you know, defending the feds' building.

00:19:19.700 And so when you go to D.C. thinking that it's going to be a peaceful protest, and the vast majority of people were, you know, it makes sense that the American people are kind of like, wait a minute here.

00:19:33.680 Hold on.

00:19:34.140 You know, unless you're the most partisan person, you know, imaginable, you're going to kind of have that sense.

00:19:40.620 Do you guys have – I mean, I assume you have the same sense, right?

00:19:42.940 Look, I just have to say this.

00:19:45.260 2020, all of 2020, and the Hunter Biden laptop suppression, along with the rigged election, along with January 6th, all of these things are the hallmarks of regime change.

00:19:55.580 It was a coup.

00:19:56.240 Our government, the CIA, our government has become expert level at regime change.

00:20:00.740 What we have to do is recognize all the hallmarks or all the signs of regime change, right?

00:20:05.880 Most of the time regime changes happen when there's a death of a monarch or an election, okay?

00:20:11.080 So what we saw in 2020 was a globalist, Chinese, radical Islam, like all of these – communist, fascism, Satanism, Luciferian, they all got together pretty much and agreed that they were going to try to destroy America. 0.97

00:20:27.000 And if you look into Yuri Bezmenov and his talk about the ideological subversion campaign of the Soviet Union, psychological warfare, demoralization, destabilization, crisis, and normalization, then what you're seeing when you look at January 6th in context of the last several decades is that these people that have been trying to destroy our country for decades finally got in office. 0.83

00:20:52.100 At least that's what January 6th and all that stuff was all about.

00:20:54.500 And I consider it just a really crappy afternoon, you know?

00:20:58.520 Fair enough.

00:20:59.220 But you're right. Absolutely.

00:21:01.220 So actually, why don't you elaborate a little bit on what your sense of the situation was, Jay?

00:21:07.400 Well, you know –

00:21:08.160 When you went there, what were you thinking when you were going there and what were you thinking like when you were actually there?

00:21:13.320 What was your intent on being there?

00:21:14.720 My intent on being there was to basically stand up for people that couldn't be there, you know, and myself included to support, I guess, pushback against a lot of the lefts where we were headed politically in our country.

00:21:31.140 The ridiculous things that were being instituted in schools, the indoctrination, the trans movement, not to say that I'm against trans people or anything like that. 0.51

00:21:46.040 It's just that it doesn't really have a place and a forefront in our society and to be celebrated as much as it was kind of shoved down our throats.

00:21:55.000 And that type of thing just didn't seem to make sense to me.

00:21:58.280 And when I was there, I was quite surprised at the group that – people that made up that group.

00:22:08.160 It was a lot of, as I said, like grandmas and older people.

00:22:12.760 And there was kids.

00:22:14.140 And someone pointed out the other day there was a bunch of dogs there.

00:22:17.940 This is not a crowd.

00:22:19.380 Interesting, right?

00:22:19.500 Yeah, truly.

00:22:21.140 And it's not a crowd that showed up to do battle, you know, to usurp the government or overthrow anything.

00:22:29.920 And the amounts of the tear gas that was shot into the crowd and the rubber bullets, which I didn't experience any of the rubber bullets, but the tear gas certainly, that was pretty intense stuff that, you know, you're just a group standing there.

00:22:44.840 It was kind of a boring, boring event, I've said many times.

00:22:48.280 It was not like the news characterized it or, you know, how you would experience it watching it at home live.

00:22:56.020 It was – they were cutting from one action moment to the next, and it just seemed like a wall of violence, and it certainly wasn't that.

00:23:04.140 I'd never been to a protest before, and I had no idea what was going to happen.

00:23:07.960 So I was kind of surprised when I started seeing people in, like, younger guys in military, you know, stuff, garb, pulling weapons and stuff out of their backpacks.

00:23:21.500 And I thought, well, this is kind of weird.

00:23:23.580 I thought this was just a protest that would be, you know, certainly peaceful.

00:23:27.920 And they started, you know, yelling at the police and this and that.

00:23:31.640 And later on, I figured that that was what they meant by agent provocateurs and the presence of the FBI's assets and CHSs and confidential human sources and that type of thing.

00:23:46.380 And when I heard about that, it felt like there was a lot of that there because it was very odd. 0.93

00:23:52.420 Like, out of nowhere, people would just, you know, start shit with the – excuse me, start stuff with the police. 0.92

00:23:58.120 And then I also saw the police being very – like, starting stuff themselves. 0.97

00:24:03.520 Like, when people would turn around, they'd hit them with a club or just be very aggressive out of – with little provocation.

00:24:12.300 And it became very confusing as to why these pockets of violence were erupting and what people were planning on doing with that.

00:24:21.520 So, when I got caught up in it, I was – I didn't feel threatened at all because the group was, for the most part, you know, peaceful.

00:24:29.780 And it started, you know, getting a little bit rowdy. 0.90

00:24:33.920 And I thought, well, this is ridiculous. 0.88

00:24:36.400 Like, there's no reason for this. 0.74

00:24:38.220 And then a crowd push came and I got caught in that.

00:24:42.940 But I ran like a sissy away from that because I wanted no part of it. 1.00

00:24:47.700 Yeah.

00:24:48.120 There's no point, you know.

00:24:49.220 So, it was a real education in the way that the media can take an event and totally change it towards their narrative.

00:25:01.340 And people remarked to me that, you know, I feared for my family when I was watching that.

00:25:06.180 And our way of life was threatened.

00:25:08.480 And I was like, are you kidding me?

00:25:10.620 That's – I mean –

00:25:12.060 It was a manipulated –

00:25:13.080 PSYOP.

00:25:13.760 Yeah.

00:25:14.000 It was a PSYOP, yeah.

00:25:14.940 So, what happened in 2020 is, like we were already saying, the left was in wide open insurrection across the country, taking over territory in Seattle, Atlanta, all over the place.

00:25:23.640 They were actually committing insurrection.

00:25:25.460 So, the reaction to what the violence on the left was going on is why you had Trump supporters wearing helmets and hard knuckle gloves because Antifa had been attacking them for years.

00:25:33.640 And there were two other big rallies, November and December in D.C., where folks marched from Freedom Plaza all the way to the Supreme Court right there between the Supreme Court and the Capitol, all around the Capitol.

00:25:45.080 So, already – the pattern was to have rallies all over Washington, D.C., including all around the Capitol.

00:25:51.480 That's not unusual.

00:25:52.260 And so, when people went from the ellipse to Washington to the Capitol, it's because there were already planned events.

00:25:57.640 I believe there was nine planned events around the Capitol that day, as there had been in November and December.

00:26:02.560 So, when people say, oh, well, Trump told them to go to the Capitol, otherwise they would never have gone there, that's just not true.

00:26:07.740 When he said, now you're going to go to the Capitol, what he meant was, is now I know you're going to the Capitol for pre-planned events.

00:26:13.020 And so, when folks walk there, the fact that they're wearing helmets because Antifa likes to throw frozen water bottles and bricks and things like that, none of them were dressed to fight the government or take over the government.

00:26:23.360 They were dressed that way to protect themselves against Antifa.

00:26:26.040 That's a great point.

00:26:26.800 To that point – hold on.

00:26:27.940 I think this is important because I was in there on the January – before January 6th on December 12th.

00:26:33.800 I was at the second Mega Million March, and I've been to a bunch of Trump rallies and stuff.

00:26:38.360 BLM and Antifa are always there.

00:26:40.280 They're always there to counter-protest.

00:26:41.700 Not J6. 0.97

00:26:42.140 February 6th, gone.

00:26:44.420 Just gone.

00:26:45.360 They were there just dressed like Trump supporters.

00:26:47.300 Yeah.

00:26:47.740 Yes, exactly.

00:26:48.700 Walking around D.C. the night before, I did notice a few times I would run across like four or five people wide down the sidewalk walking on a dark street,

00:27:00.240 and they were all like Antifa looking with the black hoodies and all that.

00:27:05.260 Black lock dressed.

00:27:06.180 Yeah.

00:27:06.520 And just sort of shoulder to shoulder looking for trouble, it seemed like.

00:27:11.260 You know, and I agree.

00:27:14.060 That's a great point because there was that feeling that Antifa would be there, and you had to watch out a little bit.

00:27:21.280 So that makes sense that why they were dressed that way.

00:27:24.320 So was that your experience as well, Stuart?

00:27:26.600 Yeah.

00:27:27.400 I mean, Nick.

00:27:28.380 I'm sorry.

00:27:28.900 I apologize.

00:27:29.320 I'm Stuart over here.

00:27:30.160 Sorry.

00:27:30.500 You're good to go.

00:27:30.960 I'm Stuart Nick over here.

00:27:32.300 This wasn't.

00:27:34.960 They're always here.

00:27:36.020 And it's still true in a lot of places.

00:27:39.360 You can't wear a Trump hat in a lot of major American cities.

00:27:42.360 You're at definite risk.

00:27:43.680 Like, this wasn't the worst riot I've seen.

00:27:46.540 Like, I've been to Portland.

00:27:48.040 You know what I mean?

00:27:48.380 So you have to understand the mood of the people there who, again, came for a Trump rally.

00:27:56.080 I wouldn't even call it a protest, really.

00:27:58.180 It was just the people were all there to hear Trump speak.

00:28:01.340 And, of course, it was basically a sad and annoying day.

00:28:03.820 Like, the mood had set in that this wasn't going well.

00:28:07.020 I certainly knew that it wasn't happening.

00:28:10.900 Now, people get into, oh, if this guy does this and certifies that, no, I said before

00:28:16.000 at the time that we're not going to win this election unless the Supreme Court steps in

00:28:20.740 and declares.

00:28:21.680 And if that's not going to happen, then Joe Biden will be president, which is exactly

00:28:25.320 what happened.

00:28:26.440 And that, it wasn't a happy day.

00:28:31.440 But that's where the sentencing and the, this is what happens when leftists take over

00:28:38.800 every institution in your country.

00:28:40.140 It's not considerably different from what happened in, say, like, the 1980s in Nicaragua.

00:28:45.060 The law is only enforced one day.

00:28:47.060 So when your business gets ransacked, it depends who's doing the ransacking as to whether those

00:28:50.320 charges are filed.

00:28:51.640 And when those charges are filed, you get the absolute treatment.

00:28:56.160 Now, if you are in a criminal prosecution, the prosecution itself is supposed to characterize,

00:29:01.920 as you touched on, what you did in a certain way.

00:29:04.280 And there are actually legal limits to how they do that.

00:29:07.220 It just wasn't enforced here.

00:29:08.360 In a civil case, you can just talk all you want about it and paint him as the most evil

00:29:12.860 thing.

00:29:13.140 But there's actually rules and procedure here that are simply not followed in these cases.

00:29:17.320 And that's how you get things like everyone who invaded the Capitol as a part of a leftist

00:29:22.460 cause who did get arrested faced a maximum of a $48 fine and all charges were dropped.

00:29:26.920 If they hadn't been dropped, well, that characterization would have ended in a $48 fine.

00:29:31.740 It wouldn't have ended in four to 18 years in prison.

00:29:35.360 The people at this table got.

00:29:36.240 Yeah.

00:29:37.420 And so to touch on what he said earlier, the jury, we were not allowed to have venue change.

00:29:43.100 And the reason why no one was allowed to change venue is because they wanted that precedent

00:29:46.180 for Trump.

00:29:46.460 Everybody fought for that.

00:29:47.480 They didn't want Trump to be able to point to venue change when he was charged and then

00:29:50.940 later on convicted.

00:29:51.980 That's what they hoped they were going to do.

00:29:53.080 So, but the jury pool in that case was drawn from the victim pool.

00:29:57.360 The judges described Washington, D.C. residents as the victims.

00:30:01.380 It's as though you were accused of robbing a Walmart, but they drew the jury from the people

00:30:05.600 that were in the Walmart on the night of the crime.

00:30:07.540 That's what it was like there.

00:30:08.640 So you're drawing the jury pool from the victim pool.

00:30:10.760 Impossible to get a fair trial in Washington, D.C. 0.86

00:30:12.700 Most of my jurors had been on the pink hat, pussy hat parade. 0.72

00:30:17.100 They had done that. 0.65

00:30:17.940 They had done the walk for our lives, march for our lives, anti-gun stuff.

00:30:21.660 They had gone to BLM protests.

00:30:23.980 They were at the right outside the White House.

00:30:26.580 Your lawyer couldn't, I mean.

00:30:28.680 No jury, no venue change, no.

00:30:30.740 How are you going to strike them?

00:30:31.500 The jury pool is endless.

00:30:32.420 It's all that.

00:30:33.200 Yeah.

00:30:33.680 Well, and they also recycled a lot of the jury pool as well.

00:30:36.700 So what exactly are we talking about here?

00:30:38.780 We're talking about a two-tier justice system.

00:30:41.180 Okay.

00:30:41.420 Now, when I said that it was like a regime change, I would like to give the facts behind

00:30:46.480 that if you don't mind.

00:30:47.620 Let's start with, we knew early on in 2020 that this virus came from a lab in Wuhan.

00:30:57.440 We know that.

00:30:58.380 We said it, right?

00:31:00.220 Then we also knew that what was happening with the BLM and Antifa riots was riots.

00:31:05.760 It wasn't peaceful, mostly peaceful protests, right?

00:31:08.020 So we see this track record of being deceived.

00:31:10.540 That precedent had been sent since probably Ferguson in 2013, I think.

00:31:15.080 That was when you heard, well, I mean, what's his name?

00:31:18.200 Rodney King riots.

00:31:19.380 I mean, like this idea is, it's been for a long time that, and if you look at it, every

00:31:24.900 single election year, presidential election year for the last several decades, there's

00:31:28.760 always a new virus and a new race issue that gets brought up every single presidential

00:31:34.020 election year.

00:31:34.940 So anyway, so they set all that up.

00:31:37.620 Then they have the Hunter Biden laptop suppression.

00:31:39.700 Then you have the Zucker boxes. 0.91

00:31:43.720 You have the mail-in ballots, all of this stuff because of COVID.

00:31:47.220 And remember, they were also saying that Trump supporters going to rallies were super spreaders,

00:31:51.020 but these people riding in the streets were peaceful protesters, okay?

00:31:54.040 So once again, we show the media's bias, okay?

00:31:57.420 Now, when we get to what happened on January 6th, we have to remember that three weeks before

00:32:03.420 January 6th, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell changed the law.

00:32:06.540 They made it to where Chief Sund, the Capitol Police Chief, could not invoke the National

00:32:12.380 Guard at will.

00:32:13.200 He had to file paperwork now because they changed the law, okay?

00:32:17.500 So when he files the paperwork asking for the National Guard, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell

00:32:22.800 say no.

00:32:23.680 Why do they say no?

00:32:24.520 Because bad optics and because there's no need.

00:32:28.340 There's no paperwork that says we need the National Guard there.

00:32:31.220 Now, Yogananda Pittman, who Tariq Johnson actually has blown the whistle on this woman, you know, 0.86

00:32:38.100 she's in charge of intelligence and Capitol Police, okay?

00:32:40.980 She had the intelligence from Mark Milley and the Pentagon that there was going to be over

00:32:44.440 a dozen known terrorists in the crowd.

00:32:46.600 She sat on it.

00:32:47.640 She apparently had information that the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys were going to do 0.65

00:32:51.480 something.

00:32:52.460 She sat on it.

00:32:53.520 She didn't get it to Chief Sund.

00:32:55.040 Why?

00:32:56.160 Well, because she's friends with Nancy Pelosi. 0.98

00:32:57.740 And because that paperwork being in his official file for the request of the National Guard

00:33:02.680 would have got the National Guard there, you see?

00:33:05.680 And then when we factor in the fact that there were confidential human informants for

00:33:09.260 federal agencies, when we factor in the idea that there were federal agents in the crowd,

00:33:14.060 if there's over a million people in Washington, D.C., in the streets and there's not federal

00:33:18.400 agents in the crowd, the government's not doing their job, okay?

00:33:21.000 So, coming full circle here, we also have BLM and Antifa, not showing up to protest as

00:33:27.520 counter-protesters, but infiltrate.

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00:34:45.740 Trading the crowd.

00:34:47.060 I do think that that's probably one of the more notable issues that was fairly obvious.

00:34:54.920 Like you guys had said, BLM and Antifa had been active opposition at every single Trump rally.

00:35:02.380 You couldn't go to a Trump rally without there being at least some Antifa, black block, wearing the whole getup. 1.00

00:35:11.120 And that's why both Oathkeepers and Proud Boys over the entire administration, we've been out there in the streets constantly defending people against them.

00:35:17.460 That's why we were out there.

00:35:18.700 That's why we're there.

00:35:19.660 And J6, too.

00:35:20.520 Same thing.

00:35:21.100 And you guys didn't see any of that.

00:35:22.480 Well, now this is really important, though, okay, because this is the conclusion of what I'm getting at.

00:35:26.840 What was the reason for the setup of the riot?

00:35:29.280 Why?

00:35:30.500 Why?

00:35:31.360 Well, because they wanted to stop the debate regarding the certification.

00:35:33.860 They didn't want that information entered into the record.

00:35:36.320 That's number one.

00:35:37.000 And if the riot didn't work, they were going to use the pipe bomber as the excuse.

00:35:40.920 They still have not found that pipe bomber.

00:35:42.720 The Secret Service erased all of their text messages.

00:35:46.680 Okay?

00:35:47.380 That's 1512 right there.

00:35:48.820 That's destruction of, you know, that's an obstruction of an official proceeding, destruction of documents or whatever.

00:35:53.720 But anyway, point is, is that all of these things happen in sequence.

00:35:58.780 The media is there.

00:36:00.200 It's all a big setup.

00:36:01.880 By the way, also, a Ukrainian spy named Sergei Dabinem was there.

00:36:05.160 I only know that because the FBI told me he was a Ukrainian spy because he asked to take a picture with me.

00:36:09.380 And I had no idea who he was until the FBI told me who he was.

00:36:12.260 So, obviously, Ukraine intelligence has a role to play.

00:36:16.840 And then, wait a second, we went to war in Ukraine after Biden got in office?

00:36:20.600 But the point is, it was a setup designed to create a PSYOP.

00:36:25.080 The PSYOP was intended to create a demand for Donald Trump to not ever be in office again.

00:36:31.320 Also, to impeach him or even throw him in prison.

00:36:33.980 And to go after his supporters, to paint his supporters as evil, insurrectionist, dangerous to democracy.

00:36:40.340 And to have the constituents of the Democrat Party demand that these people not have their constitutional rights obeyed.

00:36:48.180 So, we see the layout here of how it is that they saw that, okay, if we're going to do a regime change, we need to go after this group.

00:36:57.020 And we have to figure out a way to demonize them as much as possible so that when we go after them in the media, the country will cheer.

00:37:03.760 Yeah, I mean, I don't get the sense that there's a lot of disagreement with those points on the right.

00:37:10.900 I feel like that's kind of the common sentiment.

00:37:13.740 That the intent of going after Donald Trump was to prevent him from being the president again.

00:37:18.700 The intent of going after you guys and your fellow, you know, the people that were at January 6th.

00:37:23.860 The intent of doing that and kicking in the doors of old ladies and using actual, you know, direct action raids on innocent people was to strike fear in the hearts of conservatives.

00:37:37.340 Make them afraid that the government will treat them as if they're terrorists.

00:37:41.200 And that's also what, you know, that was the point of the FBI going after parents for having the wrong politics.

00:37:46.820 Because they had the audacity to go and stand up against some of the stuff that you were talking about, Jay, about the LGBT stuff in schools.

00:37:53.840 They had the audacity to go to, for going to a PTA meeting and saying, I don't want my kids to see this.

00:37:59.620 And so the federal government gets involved.

00:38:01.600 So I think that that's the general consensus.

00:38:04.240 Um, I don't know that there's, there's, I don't think that there's a lot of people that disagree, but you were talking about, um, about the, the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys and stuff like that being security.

00:38:16.740 Right.

00:38:17.380 What, what was your experience, um, for, for leading up to the day at other riots and stuff like that?

00:38:23.860 You'd been to other riots.

00:38:24.840 Oh yeah.

00:38:25.160 Well, we started, we started with Trump's inauguration.

00:38:27.340 So, uh, January 20 of 2017, we're on the street in DC escorting people, like vulnerable people.

00:38:33.960 Antifa likes to attack the elderly, disabled veterans, women, families.

00:38:38.100 So we were there on the ground in that, at that event. 0.62

00:38:41.160 They were black blocking all over the place, trying to stop access to the inauguration. 1.00

00:38:45.040 A lot of them. 0.57

00:38:45.720 They stopped me from getting them.

00:38:46.940 Then we worked, uh, then we worked, uh, Oath Keepers and Proud Boys worked together in Berkeley twice.

00:38:51.680 Because we had seen online, we saw the first Berkeley rally where they, the cops had stood back and let Antifa beat people.

00:38:57.200 Yeah.

00:38:57.360 And that's, we're not going to have any more of that.

00:38:58.900 So we stepped in and sort of the Proud Boys, we teamed up and protected that.

00:39:02.260 The two rallies in, in Martin Luther King Park and downtown Berkeley successfully.

00:39:05.860 That was where, uh, the, I think his nickname was Epic Stickman.

00:39:09.480 Yeah.

00:39:09.820 Yeah.

00:39:10.120 Yeah.

00:39:10.400 Yeah.

00:39:10.820 With the stick being people.

00:39:12.580 You know.

00:39:12.820 Bay Stickman.

00:39:13.580 Bay Stickman.

00:39:14.060 That's it.

00:39:14.680 And there was another, there was another guy that I think was, was, well, and regardless,

00:39:18.220 it doesn't matter.

00:39:18.560 But the point is those kinds of things, those were common even before Trump had gotten into office.

00:39:23.360 I remember, uh, my, my history, I come, or my background, I come from like the music industry

00:39:27.460 and a lot of my friends that were very anti-Trump, you know, they were saying things like, you 0.95

00:39:32.240 know, it's okay to punch the, punch a Nazi. 0.96

00:39:34.260 And they were calling Ben Shapiro a Nazi. 0.98

00:39:36.060 And it's like, look, man.

00:39:36.940 It's Jewish.

00:39:37.620 I know.

00:39:37.900 Like, it's one thing if you, if you're actually talking about Nazis or whatever, you know,

00:39:42.660 there, there may be an argument, even though it's illiberal and the, you know, the, the,

00:39:47.740 the Skokie, Illinois case says that, that people with terrible views still have the right

00:39:52.040 to say them, you can't punch people because you're only going to make more of whatever

00:39:58.140 you're punching. 0.57

00:39:58.720 If you have the opinion that these people's views are too bad to be allowed to, to be expressed

00:40:07.040 and then people find out that their views are just normal conservatives and they're being

00:40:12.200 attacked by Antifa.

00:40:13.960 People like, again, Ben Shapiro was, has had, that was when Ben Shapiro first had to start

00:40:18.180 getting security.

00:40:18.880 People like, regardless of how anyone might feel about him, Milo Yiannopoulos, who was,

00:40:22.980 you know, he liked to go ahead and, and, you know, say things that were inflammatory, but

00:40:27.160 he didn't have particularly extreme.

00:40:28.780 He has the right to free speech.

00:40:29.940 Exactly.

00:40:30.440 So when, when that happens, you're going to get that pushback.

00:40:34.440 And so please continue.

00:40:35.780 I just, I wanted to point out that that was something that the Proud Boys and, and, and

00:40:39.940 Oath Keepers, that had been going on long before even Trump actually got into office.

00:40:44.020 Of course.

00:40:44.600 So, but if you don't protect free speech for everyone, then you get no free speech for anybody.

00:40:47.800 And so that's why we were in the streets is to protect Americans free speech.

00:40:51.320 And I don't care what your political view is, you have a right to express it.

00:40:54.880 And that's what, what's what we were doing.

00:40:56.480 And so our pattern, this was kind of bizarre to have them label us as violent.

00:41:00.500 No Oath Keeper has ever discharged a weapon, kicked or punched anybody, or even pepper sprayed

00:41:05.760 anybody.

00:41:06.040 We use our presence.

00:41:07.100 We deter them because they're afraid of our, we have a lot of cops, like 30% of our guys

00:41:10.700 were cops.

00:41:11.300 Yeah.

00:41:11.500 And you know, our cops are carrying, even in Berkeley, they were carrying, they were carrying

00:41:13.960 guns.

00:41:14.280 Our cops can carry, you know, nationwide. 0.56

00:41:17.140 So we were effective at deterring them.

00:41:20.340 Proud Boys, their way of doing it a little bit different, more like street fighting, but

00:41:24.120 you know, power to them.

00:41:25.180 I have no problem with that.

00:41:26.700 Kind of yin and yang kind of thing.

00:41:28.020 But together we were very effective.

00:41:29.760 And TIFA hates us and that left hates us, which is why with January the 6th, they wanted

00:41:34.160 to make Oath Keepers and Proud Boys the poster groups for January the 6th.

00:41:37.980 And wait, here's how you know it, February the 16th, 2021, just weeks after J6, Benny

00:41:43.860 Thompson, who later on with the chair of the J6 Select Committee, he filed a lawsuit as

00:41:48.260 lead plan with other members of Congress suing Trump, Giuliani, Proud Boys and Oath Keepers

00:41:53.800 alleging conspiracy between us to attack the Capitol.

00:41:56.960 That lets you know that's where the narrative was set.

00:41:59.240 And everything else after that is Kabuki Theater to make that true.

00:42:02.440 All our prosecutions, when we look at this as like one big conspiracy case with Trump

00:42:07.260 as the kingpin and everybody else as his co-conspirators, but they wanted to tag Oath Keepers and Proud Boys

00:42:12.260 and like Enrique Tarrio and myself were named in particular as his lieutenants.

00:42:16.760 That's why we were selected out for the worst charge of all.

00:42:19.880 So this is conspiracy, even though our behavior inside the Capitol was many times better than

00:42:24.000 anybody else that was in there.

00:42:25.200 But they wanted to pin those two groups as the most dangerous groups in America and Trump's

00:42:29.360 soldiers.

00:42:30.100 Now you'd never had any contact with the president, have you?

00:42:34.080 No, never have, no.

00:42:35.440 And I think Enrique's in the same boat.

00:42:38.140 He'd never actually spoken to the president either.

00:42:39.760 But the conspiracy charge is so easy to get a conviction.

00:42:44.080 And that's why they used it, okay?

00:42:47.520 The conspiracy charge was originally invented to go after the mob, okay?

00:42:52.180 So this comes back to prosecutorial discretion and overcharging people.

00:42:57.000 So the government is essentially overcharging people to gain a conviction, right?

00:43:03.380 So in this case with what you guys are going through, they had, all they have to do is

00:43:08.900 get two people on the stand that say that the government story is real and legally they

00:43:13.360 can throw you in jail.

00:43:14.740 And they, that's how they put the mob in jail. 0.89

00:43:16.740 But then they've been using that to go after American citizens that aren't mobsters.

00:43:20.840 Well, anybody knows a conspiracy is the charge they used to get you and they can't get you

00:43:25.660 into other stuff, but they didn't even need it.

00:43:27.580 That was just the charity.

00:43:28.120 That or tax evasion.

00:43:29.020 But I want to, I want to talk about how much of this really is theater.

00:43:31.720 Cause it's not just the government doing it to us.

00:43:34.120 It comes from all directions.

00:43:35.060 And I've never told this story before, but I was, somebody actually attempted to frame

00:43:39.660 me as the pipe bomber.

00:43:40.920 Oh, really?

00:43:41.660 Oh, yeah.

00:43:42.220 Please go on.

00:43:43.800 We all get banned from DC, right?

00:43:45.620 That's, that's part of your pre-trial, whatever.

00:43:47.540 And sorry, you were probably locked up for all that, but yeah.

00:43:50.060 So as soon as I was, I was banned from DC, which is not surprising and I didn't have any

00:43:56.620 desire to go there.

00:43:57.620 It was fine.

00:43:59.680 I get a notification in my Gmail that I have a hotel checked out for Washington, DC.

00:44:06.560 And I think to myself, well, that's, that's awful strange.

00:44:08.700 I certainly don't have any plans to go there in the next couple of days.

00:44:11.680 What had happened was somebody had used my name and I've been docked so many times, it's

00:44:15.240 not hard to get my information to register me as going to DC and then called and told

00:44:20.660 the cops or FBI or whoever that I was the pipe bomber and I'm on the way back.

00:44:24.960 And so I call up my lawyer and I say, you know what?

00:44:26.740 This, this is real strange.

00:44:27.620 Why do I have a hotel reservation in DC that I didn't make?

00:44:30.480 And the only reason it popped up in my, uh, Gmail is because they use my real email address

00:44:34.180 and it popped up my calendar.

00:44:35.260 Like I didn't get the reservation email.

00:44:36.820 It just had a calendar notification.

00:44:39.220 And this is how I found out that somebody attempted to sell me to the FBI as, as the

00:44:43.820 pipe bomber.

00:44:44.700 And this just keeps going on.

00:44:46.320 I mean, even when I was locked up in prison, uh, the, uh, what's called the, the unit counselor

00:44:51.240 got a call from, uh, my lawyer and says, I got some good legal news.

00:44:56.040 Let me talk to Oaks, uh, see about getting him out of there. 0.62

00:44:59.140 So he calls me down.

00:45:00.420 Of course, you know, that's a conversation you want to have, but I detected some falsity

00:45:03.760 in the situation because my lawyer had been dead for months.

00:45:06.400 So I said, this is probably isn't, uh, probably isn't legitimate.

00:45:10.160 What they were doing is trying to get me on the phone to say something incriminating, even

00:45:13.560 though I'm already in prison, though I was beating the case at that point.

00:45:16.620 Uh, and there you go.

00:45:19.020 It's this, how much of this is the government?

00:45:22.220 How much of this is, uh, leftist enthusiasts?

00:45:25.040 You, you have to draw that line where you want, but this is the whole of our country went

00:45:29.080 down this road for so long that we're just steering off of that.

00:45:31.800 And I have great hope for the future, but we have to be careful of your, and any sort

00:45:36.180 of political dissident circle, you, you have to understand what you're really up against.

00:45:40.140 And it's not just the FBI.

00:45:41.280 It's lawfare and, and, and international entities, because I mean, think about like

00:45:46.220 with FISA or five eyes, right?

00:45:48.260 If the government, if our government can't spy on an American citizen, they'll just ask

00:45:52.120 the UK to do it.

00:45:53.040 Project Echelon.

00:45:53.900 Yeah.

00:45:55.240 I'm probably banned from the UK and Australian. 0.99

00:45:57.540 I got to check it out, but I don't think they're going to let me in.

00:45:59.820 We are dealing with a global phenomena.

00:46:03.440 Yuri Bezmenov in the eighties talked about the global communist conspiracy.

00:46:06.920 You guys, okay.

00:46:08.360 Why would Yuri Bezmenov, a former KGB operative, who's in charge of psychological warfare, tell

00:46:12.800 the American people that there's a global communist conspiracy if there is not.

00:46:16.700 And if we look at the UN, if we look at the WEF, they're communists and what they want

00:46:21.760 to do with 2030, agenda 2030 is communists, the great reset communists.

00:46:26.200 And when, if you say that that's a conspiracy theory, Klaus Schwab's book is named The Great

00:46:31.620 Reset.

00:46:34.520 Jay, I want to, I want to ask you, you've been a little bit on the quiet side.

00:46:38.060 What was your experience?

00:46:39.140 I'm a little bored.

00:46:41.260 What was your, what was your experience?

00:46:42.940 Like, like how, how did they go to your house to pick you up?

00:46:47.240 Did you, did they have a raid?

00:46:48.400 What, what was your experience like after the, the January 6th, the events, January 6th?

00:46:53.540 How long was it before they picked you up?

00:46:55.720 Well, um, uh, it was in March of, uh, 2021, um, when they put me on Twitter, uh, a couple

00:47:03.080 of, uh, photos from some video of me at the, uh, the event, um, specified that you're wanted

00:47:09.300 or?

00:47:09.520 Well, they just said, does anyone know who this is?

00:47:11.960 They have the name of this person, uh, wanted in, in, uh, you know, connection with violence

00:47:16.720 at the Capitol and assault on a federal officer.

00:47:18.760 Or, and, uh, people were like, oh yeah, it's Jay Johnston from this show, you know, Sarah

00:47:22.700 Sillman show or the, this other, you know, comedy show.

00:47:25.280 And, and that was unfortunate.

00:47:27.800 Um, but a couple of people in the industry, um, some, uh, actors and stuff, uh, called me

00:47:33.740 out specifically.

00:47:34.760 Oh, that's Jay Johnston.

00:47:35.720 I worked with him and he said he was at the Capitol and, you know, and I, uh, did this show

00:47:40.060 with him and, you know, uh, Harmontown or whatever.

00:47:42.340 And people that I barely knew, uh, were claiming to be good friends of mine to, to wrap me out

00:47:47.860 to the FBI.

00:47:48.820 And I thought that was kind of interesting because they were just being puppets for,

00:47:52.780 uh, a larger, um, person who was, uh, in control of them.

00:47:57.580 But, um, I found that, uh, when, when that happened, everybody who I knew in, in Hollywood

00:48:03.520 and in the entertainment industry basically turned their backs on me immediately.

00:48:08.320 Half of Jay Sixers got turned in by their family. 0.93

00:48:10.500 These are worse statistics than like Stalinist Russia.

00:48:13.880 When you, when you ask yourself, oh, how could anybody turn their parents for having too

00:48:16.920 much in their grain quota or whatever?

00:48:18.260 Like, uh, we're, we're not doing too much better here.

00:48:20.560 A childhood friend of mine ratted me out to the FBI.

00:48:23.100 Wow.

00:48:23.540 Yeah.

00:48:23.820 Really?

00:48:24.460 I mean, like I said, my, my background's in the, in the music industry and stuff.

00:48:27.600 So I, I've, whereas I wasn't at January 6th or whatever, but like leading up to it

00:48:32.980 and as people, and I'd been pretty vocal about my political leanings for a long, long time.

00:48:36.780 So people knew that I wasn't.

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00:50:06.120 I didn't fall under the woe category.

00:50:08.420 But I understand what you're saying where people would just turn their backs on you and start saying, you know, people that were ostensibly friendly with you or that you were, you know, you'd had, you know, great relationships with or even positive relationships would just simply start, you know, trashing you in press and in public.

00:50:27.800 And so I'm very, very familiar with that.

00:50:30.060 But please go on a little bit.

00:50:30.900 It's incredible.

00:50:31.420 I mean, people I worked with 20 years ago who I've known for 30 years, you know, and was very close to.

00:50:37.600 So one of them ratted me out, spent a couple hours on the phone with the FBI and turned over text messages and that type of thing.

00:50:47.460 And that person also was very leading and like kind of digging for information, texting me on the day he found out that I was there.

00:50:56.360 And he's like, really, what happened?

00:50:57.920 And this is someone that you considered a close friend?

00:50:59.680 Yeah, very close friend.

00:51:00.820 That's terrible.

00:51:01.580 Yeah, it was really a treat.

00:51:03.100 And he, of course, you know, must, I mean, I can't even imagine his mindset must be that, oh, that guy I've known for years is obviously a terrorist, a domestic terrorist and wants to destroy our way of life and whatever.

00:51:18.640 I have no idea.

00:51:19.680 It just seems like a cloud of nonsense descended upon people for the last few years.

00:51:27.620 I mean, granted, this happened four years ago, but it hasn't let up, really.

00:51:33.060 I mean, people still, yeah, well, I mean, that day when I was put on Twitter by the FBI ended, I mean, I got fired from my jobs and I called my agent to say, well, I think I got fired from Bob's Burgers.

00:51:47.620 I mean, I don't know because nobody called me.

00:51:49.960 Is this true?

00:51:50.700 And my agent was basically like, well, we don't know about that, but we're firing you because we're downsizing.

00:51:57.300 That's why, you know, whatever.

00:51:59.040 So basically that was all, you know, gone immediately.

00:52:02.720 And, you know, they hired somebody to do an impression of my voice on the show, which is hilarious.

00:52:08.020 And, you know, it's pretty good.

00:52:10.360 But, you know, it's just like people that basically I had worked very, you know, hand in hand with side by side for years.

00:52:22.640 Nobody, absolutely nobody reached out to me at all.

00:52:25.820 I mean, I didn't feel like I could reach out to them because I knew I was a pariah and I didn't want to.

00:52:29.540 Do you live in California?

00:52:30.180 Yeah.

00:52:30.560 I'm in Los Angeles.

00:52:31.900 And actually you brought up Rodney King.

00:52:33.900 I live near where Rodney King was beat up.

00:52:36.460 So there's a little plaque on the corner.

00:52:39.120 It's not so good.

00:52:40.060 What you went through, though, was the intention of the PSYOP.

00:52:43.620 Yeah.

00:52:44.220 Mm-hmm.

00:52:44.980 Yeah.

00:52:45.400 Well, I think we all experienced that.

00:52:46.800 Even in Texas, I had people that, you know, I'm a ride or die buddy.

00:52:49.820 Next thing I know, they don't ask for your phone anymore.

00:52:51.980 So you find out your friends really are.

00:52:53.540 You go to jail.

00:52:54.400 That's when you find out.

00:52:54.740 Yeah, you figure.

00:52:55.360 Like I had family members of mine, one of them that I thought loved me very much, said that I was a disgrace to the family name.

00:53:03.800 And didn't even want to be mentioned at a family event while I was in prison.

00:53:06.880 I mean, a lot of people have, you know, experienced some form of cancellation in the past 10 years.

00:53:12.880 But I think the stuff that you guys have gone through, you know, to be.

00:53:15.940 I was already canceled.

00:53:17.260 So my people are pretty good.

00:53:18.600 Like we already weeding them out.

00:53:20.660 I mean, yeah.

00:53:21.160 I mean, like, you know, you say the wrong word or you say the wrong thing.

00:53:23.660 You make the wrong joke or whatever.

00:53:24.760 This is a CCP system.

00:53:26.240 Yeah.

00:53:26.560 This is what they're doing.

00:53:27.900 They're modeling themselves.

00:53:29.180 Our culture is being modeled on a CCP system in China.

00:53:32.140 Well, and that's.

00:53:32.800 Social credit score.

00:53:33.560 That's because of who's in the government.

00:53:36.100 So if we can talk about this, I really think it's important because there's a lot of people online that are complaining about a certain country.

00:53:43.520 And I understand.

00:53:45.240 OK, we're talking about Israel.

00:53:47.000 OK, I understand what Israel is doing in the United States as far as lobbying and all that stuff.

00:53:52.380 Guess what?

00:53:52.760 China's doing it, too.

00:53:54.640 And so is Russia. 0.90

00:53:55.940 And so is any other country that is going to get in this, you know, country wide gangbang that has been going on for a long, long, long time. 0.89

00:54:04.640 OK, that's why we've been getting screwed. 1.00

00:54:06.840 When Donald Trump came in and said, we're not doing this anymore, then their their local whore decided to no longer be a whore, you know. 1.00

00:54:13.740 And but but now what we're seeing, though, is that look at it like this. 0.98

00:54:17.840 So in Sun Tzu, Art of War, he said that if you want to know who your spies are, what you do is you take each of your generals into your tent individually and you give them each a different piece of disinformation.

00:54:29.580 And then when that when a certain piece of disinformation pops up in the enemy camp, you know who your spies are.

00:54:36.100 You know where your leak is at. So it's like putting a different color dye in each of your different little, you know, dye holders.

00:54:43.300 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the idea here is, is that if we look and see who's pushing this Chinese agenda, this new world order, one world government, UN 2030 agenda, we see the dye in the water. 0.93

00:54:53.380 We can see the networks of news organizations, newspapers, magazines, social media influencers, celebrities.

00:55:00.340 We get to see the whole globalist apparatus if we know what to look for.

00:55:05.400 Yeah. I mean, the the the influence of, you know, globalist organizations like, you know, the WTO, the the International Monetary Fund, those those kind of things are are something that our viewers are actually really, really familiar with.

00:55:22.100 Like they're they're pretty. I think that I think they're pretty read in on, you know, the dangers of the U.N., the dangers of of of continuing to be a part of those organizations.

00:55:34.200 And it's our at least my sense that we really dodged a bullet with Donald Trump, you know, being elected this time.

00:55:40.800 And I've said literally. Yeah. Yeah. Literally.

00:55:44.340 They tried to kill him when they could not keep him out through all the other mechanisms.

00:55:47.500 Yeah. It's like really. I had other plans. Right.

00:55:50.880 I had I've said more than once that, you know, leading up to the election, I didn't think Donald Trump was going to win.

00:55:57.120 And the reason I didn't think this time this time, yeah, I didn't think Donald Trump was going to win because I didn't think that he was going to be allowed to win.

00:56:02.380 Right. So I really had thought that the the powers that be the the establishment, the the entrenched bureaucracy had enough control over the media and enough influence over the population where there just wasn't going to be the votes.

00:56:15.520 And if there were something and if it was close, if it was close, they would have the means to to fix it.

00:56:21.440 And I tell you what, I've never been happier to be wrong.

00:56:23.820 I tried. Yes.

00:56:25.180 But and it also not only does it does make me happy that I was wrong, but it also gives me more hope than I would have had, you know, I probably in the past four years and the situation as much as the stuff that you've gone through.

00:56:39.520 Like, I don't want to minimize it at all. But the things that happened to you guys have really made the American people aware of how bad things were.

00:56:50.860 And I think that, you know, how bad they can get. Yeah. And I don't want to like again, I don't want to wish I don't you know, I don't want to say, you know, that it was a good thing.

00:56:57.740 But if it wasn't for people like you guys that that went through this and have had have the courage to speak up and say, look, this is these are problems in our country.

00:57:06.720 And just like you're you're talking about the bringing to light things like Yuri Bezmenov and demoralization and and those kind of leftist tactics and shining a light on how much influence the left had, how these tactics actually are have been used historically.

00:57:23.940 Every everyone that's, you know, over a certain age is aware of the way the the Soviets behaved.

00:57:29.720 Right. Like I'm pushing 50. And when you're a Gen X, you can still remember what the Cold War was like when you were little and you saw the way that other countries had their had coups and stuff like stuff.

00:57:42.920 And the things that the United States would end up pushing back on nowadays, most people have the sense that all of the the efforts that the United States was making in the in the Cold War were all the bad.

00:57:53.500 They were the bad guys. They were wrong for doing it. They should have let et cetera happen.

00:57:56.820 And they don't even realize that all the things that the left has done in all these smaller countries they've been doing here.

00:58:03.800 And so, again, I actually I were your experience speaks to that. And I don't want to again, I don't want to say that.

00:58:10.260 Well, I think I appreciate it. I think I just have to say, America, you're welcome.

00:58:14.320 Yeah, I mean, all of us can I say except you're welcome.

00:58:17.720 We have an opportunity here, unlike any other before.

00:58:22.340 OK, because for the longest time, conspiracy theorists were marginalized.

00:58:27.580 Now we know they're the experts.

00:58:30.200 We were right. And Trump was right.

00:58:32.580 And we and we also are in the midst of a transformation in collective consciousness.

00:58:37.740 We won the culture war. OK, that's why you were thinking, I don't know.

00:58:40.900 Are we going to be able to pull this off? Because what we're talking about here is the collective mind.

00:58:44.760 You were saying on January 6th, the collective mind was like, well, it looks like we're kind of screwed.

00:58:49.560 But if you weren't watching the media in 2024 and you were just watching, you know, the rallies and who was showing up, then you knew Kamala Harris didn't stand a chance.

00:58:58.700 Right. So the psyop, any and all psyops is about controlling the collective mind of the people.

00:59:04.060 And the way you do that is through neuro linguistic programming.

00:59:07.960 Trigger words, trigger images, deadly insurrection.

00:59:11.380 My image out there, violent image, this, if you looked.

00:59:15.580 Yeah, riot, deadly virus.

00:59:18.880 That point, right? Like riot.

00:59:20.760 It was it was the they they surpassed riot and they called January 6th insurrection.

00:59:27.420 Even though there is there is no historical allegory for that.

00:59:31.740 There was nothing about January 6th that looked like an actual insurrection.

00:59:35.860 And dare I say, from an outside perspective, there was really no question about whether or not Joe Biden was going to be sworn in as president that day.

00:59:45.860 Right. There were people that were hoping that that that Mike Pence would do something that was unprecedented.

00:59:52.020 Right. But really, like that, that from at least from my perspective, again, I was outside.

00:59:57.720 Yeah, I was it was it was so far outside of the of the of likelihood that it was almost a guarantee that even though these people were protesting,

01:00:05.540 there was not going to be any other outcome other than Joe Biden being sworn in as president.

01:00:10.960 Right. You can go and protest and say, we don't like it.

01:00:13.780 But there wasn't like there was no serious chance that that Pence was going to do that or that the Supreme Court was going to step in at the last minute and and save the republic.

01:00:23.840 And again, now looking back again, it's best that they didn't.

01:00:26.840 Exactly. It's very, very good for America that they didn't.

01:00:29.520 So Satan reasons like a man. God thinks of eternity.

01:00:32.320 Well, God, God will use for good what men mean for evil. 0.55

01:00:35.780 Just like when Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers and later he's betrayed by his master's wife and thrown in prison.

01:00:42.040 When his brothers were united with him, he said that what he meant for evil.

01:00:45.160 God has used for good. That's what's happened here.

01:00:47.660 Every attack on President Trump will meet him stronger and took the mask off.

01:00:51.140 They took the mask off and showed their true selves.

01:00:53.560 Unprecedented lawfare against the next president trying to keep him out of office.

01:00:57.520 Unprecedented lawfare against his supporters.

01:00:59.540 So I think in the long run, it's a benefit for all of us.

01:01:02.220 I'm glad it happened.

01:01:03.520 I'm willing to take three years.

01:01:04.900 I just spent over a year in solitary.

01:01:06.460 I'm willing to do that because I know in the long run it helped to expose them and it made us all the stronger.

01:01:11.660 Now we have all the credibility in the world, like you're saying.

01:01:14.560 We know, we can tell people that we were right.

01:01:16.960 President Trump was right.

01:01:18.080 Here's how it works.

01:01:19.300 And here's what the bad guys are doing, not just to us, but to all of you.

01:01:22.860 And I think most Americans now understand that.

01:01:25.040 Well, I'm fearful that that is actually not the case for the most part.

01:01:31.100 Because I feel like people have heard about the January 6th situation for four years.

01:01:38.360 For so long that it becomes white noise and they're sick of hearing about it.

01:01:43.200 It's that again, you know, boring, whatever.

01:01:46.020 Until the pardons came about.

01:01:49.360 That kind of juiced it up a bit again.

01:01:52.060 And hopefully people are understanding more of what it was about and understanding that, you know, how deeply the government has affected people's lives as far as destroyed their lives, destroyed their businesses, destroyed their marriages.

01:02:06.860 People have lost their homes.

01:02:08.940 I mean, unbelievable fallout from this.

01:02:12.220 And it all was so willfully done and so aggressively done that it is so far outside anything that you could ever imagine would exist in this country, would be allowed in this country.

01:02:24.920 Well, except that, you know, I can say from my experience in prison, talking to other guys, what was done to us has been done to millions of Americans across the country in every courtroom in America.

01:02:33.220 It's just now it's been politicized, done to people that normally wouldn't experience this.

01:02:37.260 So it's in the long run, it's beneficial for everyone else out there.

01:02:40.740 It's been railroaded by lying prosecutors.

01:02:43.720 They're all committing subordination to perjury.

01:02:46.580 They're all coercing people and taking deals where they are threatened, you know, long-term prison and then told they have to testify against somebody else.

01:02:54.240 It happens all across the country in many other cases, drugs, guns, you name it.

01:02:58.180 I agree.

01:03:00.500 Like, I'm aware that you're correct.

01:03:01.900 I agree that that does happen all the time, but I think the sentiment that Jay is talking about is actually predominant in America.

01:03:08.180 I think like Joe Sixpack, and I talk about this a lot of times on like IRL and stuff on our show here, the average person that lives their life day to day, they maybe consume an hour of news per week.

01:03:22.260 Like, they're busy getting their kids to school, they're busy worried about their own job, they're busy worried about, you know, their parents and making sure that their kids are going to be able to get to college or have a future.

01:03:35.020 And even, and to, even so far as the, when you talk about like the deep state, whenever I'm talking about the deep state, I try to remember that the deep state is the vast majority of them are people that think they're doing the right thing and are just looking out for their jobs.

01:03:54.520 Because the deep state is just the entrancy, they're the people that work at State Department, but they're not just the heads of the State Department, they're the people three levels down.

01:04:03.700 The GS-12s, GS-11s, you know, government employees that they're like, man, I got to make sure that I have enough money to pay my car payment this month and pay my, you know, pay my bills.

01:04:13.480 And I have some money tucked away and I have, you know, and they're worried about their future.

01:04:18.800 And so, and when you, when you talk about the deep state in that way, when you talk about them as just people that are looking out for their own family, it makes, it takes, it makes the average person say, I relate to that and I understand.

01:04:31.960 And it makes the average person stop thinking that, oh, you're a crazy guy talking about deep state conspiracy guys, but you're, you're actually a normal dude talking about normal administrators because everyone has dealt with some kind of government person like that.

01:04:47.300 Everybody's been to the DMV.

01:04:48.520 Exactly.

01:04:49.660 Thank you for making that point.

01:04:51.420 Like that.

01:04:51.700 All right.

01:04:52.020 I really appreciate that because that is very important. 0.94

01:04:54.600 It's our whole job here is to bridge the communication to people that are called Joe Sixpack and that type of garbage.

01:05:01.440 And, and, and no offense to anyone. 0.91

01:05:03.100 It's derogatory.

01:05:03.720 I mean, unfortunately, but it's the, the common man.

01:05:06.560 Yeah.

01:05:06.760 And I don't want it to, to sound offensive to anyone sitting at the table, but the more that we talk about it in a way that the average person doesn't understand, the more distance we put between the, between us and the people that we need to, to empathize with what you guys have gone through and what, and how it relates to their lives as well, because we want to prevent this stuff.

01:05:29.780 Exactly.

01:05:30.180 So that's what I want to touch on.

01:05:32.180 So that, that's what the deep state is.

01:05:33.740 The deep state is a cultural problem.

01:05:35.880 The deep state is not just all those GS-12s you're talking about.

01:05:39.080 What is the GS-12?

01:05:40.340 That's employees.

01:05:41.160 Yeah.

01:05:41.380 Oh, okay.

01:05:41.680 You make a certain level of it.

01:05:43.120 We're a bureaucrat.

01:05:44.160 Yeah.

01:05:44.340 They could work in any three letter agency or government department or whatever.

01:05:48.240 There's not necessarily like spies.

01:05:50.040 It could be people that work for the DOT.

01:05:51.960 Right.

01:05:52.280 Okay.

01:05:52.840 They generally believe the same things.

01:05:54.840 And they generally believe the same things that Netflix writers do.

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01:07:25.680 What professors do, that people in Congress do, that the entire professional classes our country believes in as a whole.

01:07:33.200 And to illustrate that point, to illustrate your point, in D.C., which is where the bureaucracy is located, it was 96% Kamala Harris, 4% Donald Trump.

01:07:44.240 Go ahead, I'm sorry.

01:07:44.960 So, you're up against a culture.

01:07:47.700 And to get into professional life, you're going to go through the cultural filter of college, right?

01:07:52.020 I got out of the Marine Corps, I went on the GI Bill.

01:07:55.520 They paid me to go to college, it was great.

01:07:56.820 But the whole time there, I knew, this is not landing me a job.

01:08:01.940 This is not going to do anything concrete for me, other than that paycheck I get for showing up.

01:08:05.980 And so, I never picked up my college degree, I've never looked at it.

01:08:08.540 It doesn't matter.

01:08:09.380 I've made my life separate from that, because I will never be invited to real professional life in America or anywhere in the West.

01:08:16.600 And this is what young people, and I think especially young men, are waking up to right now.

01:08:22.100 So, understand the system, and that's what we're up against, is a very particular system.

01:08:26.820 And despite what you may have heard, we do live in a democracy.

01:08:29.540 The threat to this system is populism, which is why I wasn't worried in prison.

01:08:33.740 I knew he was going to win, and I didn't think it would be particularly close.

01:08:36.700 Because I saw what was happening, you don't quite have your finger in the beat of things, like maybe you do on the outside.

01:08:41.500 But you put the pieces together, and this can change.

01:08:46.340 We are not on a set road.

01:08:48.040 I believe that you're not going to get back the country or the West that we had. 0.95

01:08:52.980 That's changed, and maybe irrevocably gone, but that doesn't mean we have to walk into something that sucks forever.

01:08:59.800 I'm very hopeful for the future, and I don't mean just the next four years,

01:09:02.680 which I would think will likely be the next eight years of presidential victory.

01:09:06.420 I think we're going to win, because like when I was in prison, blacks, Hispanics, whites, everyone loved Trump.

01:09:12.440 Trump country.

01:09:12.740 When they saw him, when they saw him get shot in the ear, and they saw him jump up and act like a warrior,

01:09:17.180 raise his fist as a reaction of a warrior, they were like, yeah, man, Trump's an OG, legit OG.

01:09:22.660 Made him a felon.

01:09:23.660 And one guy's like, no question.

01:09:24.480 And he's a felon.

01:09:25.640 They like that, because hey, now they know that he knows what it's like.

01:09:29.660 They elected him for the First Step Act already anyway, but now they respect him as a man.

01:09:34.380 That's where he won the working class vote right there.

01:09:37.560 I'd actually like to throw something out there really quick, because we talked about the deep state.

01:09:41.200 And I think that part of the reason why we have a bunch of people that think that we're conspiracy theorists

01:09:46.100 is because we're not definition matching.

01:09:48.060 We're not picture matching.

01:09:49.220 I can say, hey, Stuart, we're on a construction site.

01:09:51.940 I need you to bring a hammer to work. 0.90

01:09:53.320 But I needed a tack hammer.

01:09:55.340 You brought a jackhammer.

01:09:57.040 You know what I'm saying?

01:09:57.820 Or a sledgehammer.

01:09:58.860 Stuart.

01:09:59.840 He always does that.

01:10:01.000 The point is that the definition, if I don't say, hey, I need you to bring a tack hammer,

01:10:06.520 then you're going to bring something else.

01:10:07.960 So we have to definition match.

01:10:09.220 What is the deep state?

01:10:11.260 So let's talk about that.

01:10:12.780 So our founding fathers defined tyranny as the consolidation of all three branches of government

01:10:17.840 into a centralized power, like what they were dealing with, with the crown, right?

01:10:21.480 The crown wrote the laws, adjudicated the laws, and enforced the laws, okay?

01:10:25.680 So the founding fathers decided to break all these branches of government up and put checks

01:10:31.280 and balances.

01:10:31.800 I could get into all that another time.

01:10:33.940 But the point is, the checks and balances within the system keep tyranny at bay.

01:10:40.940 That's the theory.

01:10:41.440 If you corrupt the checks and balances of the system, you don't need to corrupt the whole

01:10:46.400 system.

01:10:47.020 You just need to corrupt the things that keep tyranny at bay, right?

01:10:50.620 So if you have a single globalist corrupting entity that is able to influence and control

01:10:57.480 the checks and balances within our system, then they can essentially centralize the three

01:11:02.460 branch government system under their rule.

01:11:04.760 Now, that's essentially what happened after 1913.

01:11:07.880 It's what happened with the Federal Reserve.

01:11:09.400 We also look at FDR and the bureaucracy and the creation of the fourth branch of government,

01:11:14.120 right?

01:11:14.400 Which is essentially a consolidation of all three branches of government into a centralized power

01:11:18.800 because the bureaucracy has its own laws slash regulations that they write.

01:11:24.920 They also have their own regulation enforcement agents, executive branch.

01:11:27.940 They also have their own administrative courts that are outside the federal court system.

01:11:31.020 So they are writing laws.

01:11:32.700 They are enforcing those laws.

01:11:33.660 And they are adjudicating those laws in a system that's outside the federal system.

01:11:38.220 That's tyranny.

01:11:39.340 Okay.

01:11:39.480 So we have the circumventing of the three branch government system centralizing power that way.

01:11:43.560 They do that and then they push through all the legislation necessary to create the fourth

01:11:47.600 branch of government, the bureaucracy.

01:11:49.580 Then these two things work together to push a culture that enforces this illusion that we

01:11:58.260 are free.

01:11:59.160 You see?

01:12:00.000 And then we move closer and closer toward tyranny.

01:12:02.400 More and more lawfare is done against people that are innocent.

01:12:07.400 And then we look at the larger picture on a global scale.

01:12:10.920 And what we see is that the UN, WEF, the IMF, the Bank of International Settlements, whatever,

01:12:17.360 all of these entities, BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, all of these international entities

01:12:21.400 are the global deep state.

01:12:23.720 Okay?

01:12:24.060 They are the ones that are centralizing power in all countries around the planet.

01:12:27.800 Yeah, it's worldwide.

01:12:28.920 Yeah.

01:12:28.980 And then what they're doing is they're taking that apparatus and they're placing it in the

01:12:33.180 federal government.

01:12:33.920 So now we have a international deep state.

01:12:36.140 We have a national deep state.

01:12:37.340 And then from that national deep state, they start going into the states and start messing

01:12:41.960 with things.

01:12:42.420 And then they create little state-like deep states, like what we deal with in Arizona.

01:12:46.340 In California.

01:12:47.000 In California.

01:12:47.900 Okay?

01:12:48.180 So then this is how the system is exponentially corrupted.

01:12:51.260 And it's all reinforced through the mockingbirds and the media pushing the psyop.

01:12:55.420 Well, yeah.

01:12:55.800 I mean, the...

01:12:56.660 Do you do parties?

01:12:57.500 Because I'll tell you, man, I'm learning a lot from you.

01:13:00.540 It's really amazing.

01:13:01.760 Well said.

01:13:02.960 The idea that there is essentially a monoculture that's looking to really control influence.

01:13:09.500 That's why I mentioned, you know, in D.C. it was, you know, 96% Kamala Harris and 4%

01:13:17.220 Donald Trump.

01:13:17.660 And one of the things that we've heard talked about, and I would love to see happen, is actually

01:13:23.420 breaking up the bureaucracies and sending them to, like, different parts of the country.

01:13:26.880 So the Department of Agriculture would probably be better suited, instead of being in D.C.,

01:13:31.760 have the Department of Agriculture be in Iowa or be in Nebraska, right?

01:13:35.580 And if you take the, if you take the, first of all, I've heard that when you move a business

01:13:41.580 like that, 20% or so of the people decide they don't want to move, so they quit.

01:13:46.560 So that's a great way to downsize right off the bat.

01:13:49.640 And then on top of it, a big incentive for people to be in the bureaucracy is they want

01:13:55.220 to go to the cool guy cocktail parties.

01:13:57.060 They want to be able to talk to people in other agencies.

01:14:00.080 They like the D.C. atmosphere.

01:14:02.060 They're making, you know, six figures.

01:14:04.980 They're making, you know, they're making good money and they've got, you know, a side hustle

01:14:08.440 or whatever where they're getting, they're getting incentives and stuff and they can hang

01:14:12.040 out with all the cool people there where the movers and shakers are.

01:14:15.260 You want to be the elite.

01:14:16.400 Yeah.

01:14:16.660 I mean, I'm sure you've all.

01:14:17.660 That could be said for L.A. and New York.

01:14:19.620 But there should be an elite.

01:14:20.900 That's my point.

01:14:21.460 Don't get caught up in whether it's republic or a federalism or your individually chosen

01:14:25.980 system.

01:14:26.440 It doesn't matter.

01:14:27.400 What matters is the people who make up that system.

01:14:29.500 Are they focused on things like honor?

01:14:31.980 Does that matter to the people that form your government and neighbors?

01:14:36.320 Because you know what matters more than laws?

01:14:37.700 Your neighbors.

01:14:38.360 But how, so how do you, when it comes to people that are in government, right, or in the bureaucracy,

01:14:43.620 which we have less influence on who's going to be in the bureaucracy, but the American people 0.89

01:14:47.280 still do have the ability to choose their elected representatives, at least to a very,

01:14:52.160 very large degree.

01:14:52.940 And I think that anyone that would say, oh, no, they're all chosen.

01:14:55.320 I would say, well, look at Donald Trump.

01:14:56.860 Right.

01:14:57.040 You know, I was, again, of the opinion that he wasn't going to make it, but clearly I was

01:15:00.840 wrong.

01:15:01.100 Um, so how do we, how do we better vet the candidates, especially when everyone's allowed

01:15:06.860 to vote and not everyone that votes is interested in finding out anything beyond what letter is

01:15:12.140 after their name?

01:15:13.060 Blockchain.

01:15:14.240 That's the answer.

01:15:15.920 Crypto blockchain.

01:15:16.940 We have to have total transparency.

01:15:18.640 I know.

01:15:18.940 I've got a real fix.

01:15:19.980 Look, this is where I'm going to get spicy.

01:15:21.220 All right.

01:15:21.420 And hold on, before, before we go on to that, and I'll get to that real quick.

01:15:25.300 I, uh, I just, I don't see how a blockchain is going to guarantee that the person that's

01:15:30.900 running has integrity.

01:15:32.260 Oh, well, that's not, well, no, no, that's what, the blockchain is the transparency is

01:15:35.920 all I'm saying, but I want to hear what you have to say.

01:15:37.660 Yeah, go ahead, please.

01:15:38.900 Less people need to vote. 1.00

01:15:41.220 I am with you, brother.

01:15:43.980 Okay.

01:15:44.340 You might be with me, but how do you get there?

01:15:46.220 I don't have any idea.

01:15:47.520 Oh, I got that.

01:15:48.120 I got that.

01:15:48.940 Let's hear this.

01:15:49.880 I'm a member of the gentry.

01:15:52.340 The problem with democracy is people like to vote.

01:15:55.500 That voting right has forever expanded, so it was a very small thing.

01:15:58.320 What was it?

01:15:58.620 White male landowners in the beginning? 0.76

01:16:00.180 Okay.

01:16:00.740 So you had an elite class, and I'm not against having an elite class.

01:16:04.080 I'm an elitist.

01:16:05.300 I don't shy away from that.

01:16:07.240 What we need to have is the already inevitable thought of universal basic income.

01:16:12.720 That's going to happen.

01:16:14.200 I believe that that's set on that path.

01:16:16.820 So as long as we're going to have this, let's pop it off next year, and I think you can get

01:16:22.180 elected preaching this, and maybe I'll try.

01:16:24.660 Let's pay $500 a month, whatever the number is to you, enough to buy an Xbox.

01:16:29.860 You can take this payment, and you can be rich.

01:16:31.780 You can be poor.

01:16:32.600 It does not matter.

01:16:34.640 All you need to do is opt in, and the only thing you are required to do to opt in is take

01:16:39.120 that voter registration.

01:16:40.560 Renounce your right to vote.

01:16:41.520 That's right, and once, and you'll get your money, and keep it, it's fine, but that will

01:16:46.440 remove from the voting pool the people that might be expanding this government to the point

01:16:53.640 that it's been so far, and that's how we fix America, in one year without passing any

01:16:57.820 new laws.

01:16:57.980 I'd like to push back on that.

01:17:00.420 I agree.

01:17:01.220 There needs to be a hierarchy.

01:17:03.000 That's how societies are maintained.

01:17:04.720 That's how they're stable, right?

01:17:06.240 But we have to look at history here, okay?

01:17:09.380 What the Founding Fathers did, and the reason why they created this system that they did,

01:17:12.380 and this is what I was going to say earlier, but is they looked at history, and they saw

01:17:15.500 monarchy led to tyranny.

01:17:17.380 Tyranny led to aristocracy. 0.59

01:17:19.480 Aristocracy led to oligarchy.

01:17:21.180 Oligarchy led to democracy, and democracy led to anarchy.

01:17:24.220 Anarchy led right back to monarchy, okay?

01:17:26.660 So what they did is they're like, okay, well, some of these, you know, like monarchy has its

01:17:30.180 place because it gets you out of anarchy, you know, but then aristocracy has its

01:17:34.280 place because it gets you out of tyranny, right?

01:17:35.940 So they're like, okay, all of these forms of government have the ability to turn tyrannical,

01:17:40.640 right?

01:17:40.920 What we got to do is we got to create like a cultural or political alloy where we take

01:17:44.880 the best of all these forms of government, and we put checks and balances against the

01:17:48.580 parts that make them tyrannical.

01:17:50.000 Checks and balances.

01:17:50.620 Look, have you talked to people?

01:17:51.600 When Jay Leno did his bit about, he goes in the street and asks, like, who was George

01:17:55.120 Washington?

01:17:56.020 Did he fight in World War II?

01:17:57.300 Like, that's a real problem.

01:17:59.040 These people vote.

01:18:00.280 They need to be not voting, and they need to be given a way to vote away.

01:18:03.960 I disagree.

01:18:04.860 What they need to be is educated and informed.

01:18:08.060 Nope, not going to happen.

01:18:08.880 Well, I disagree.

01:18:09.480 It is happening, though.

01:18:10.400 I think he's right.

01:18:11.300 It is happening.

01:18:12.140 Why is it, like I said, all the guys in my pod, a lot of black guys from D.C., you know, 0.81

01:18:16.840 Hispanic and Puerto Rican and Mexican gangbangers, they all love Trump. 0.96

01:18:20.280 They all talk to their families at home.

01:18:21.900 The prices are going up.

01:18:22.960 They understand.

01:18:23.640 They don't like the transgender stuff. 1.00

01:18:24.980 They don't like the kids being conditioned. 0.77

01:18:26.520 They don't like tampons in boys' bathrooms.

01:18:28.240 They understand the culture war, and we're winning them over in the culture war.

01:18:31.620 I think it's a mistake to say, well, if they're for poor, or if they're from certain economic

01:18:36.320 backgrounds or ethnic backgrounds, you should dismiss them. 1.00

01:18:39.440 I think it's a mistake.

01:18:39.880 I'm not talking about doing ethnicity.

01:18:41.440 My question does not include ethnicity.

01:18:43.100 It chooses people who choose to give up the right to vote voluntarily. 1.00

01:18:45.360 So we skipped that whole ethnic question, which is obviously very stupid. 0.99

01:18:47.420 I'm just saying we're winning. 0.99

01:18:48.220 These people might have come over to Trump this time, and that's great.

01:18:50.480 Not about ethnicity.

01:18:50.920 Thank you.

01:18:51.580 Cool.

01:18:52.100 But they vote based on incentive.

01:18:54.200 That's people.

01:18:54.940 No, they don't.

01:18:55.400 People do.

01:18:55.960 Well, okay, maybe they do, but they vote about, like I said, food prices, what they don't

01:18:59.880 want to see in their schools.

01:19:00.840 They don't like that stuff.

01:19:01.840 Like a lot of Hispanics are traditionally very pro-family, anti-abortion, et cetera. 1.00

01:19:06.340 They were conned by the Democrats and the voting Democrat, despite the fact that they

01:19:09.800 were more conservative.

01:19:10.340 They got social programs and tangible things.

01:19:12.940 This is what democracy does.

01:19:14.060 I never got a chance to say why I disagreed with you, though.

01:19:15.140 Please.

01:19:15.620 Okay.

01:19:16.160 So what we're seeing here is a manipulation of the American system of checks and balances,

01:19:22.360 right?

01:19:22.500 We've already established that.

01:19:23.360 That's what the deep state is.

01:19:24.660 So what we have to understand is, first of all, we have a monarchy with the president.

01:19:28.360 We have the aristocracy with the Senate, which, by the way, our state legislatures used to

01:19:33.380 send senators to D.C.

01:19:34.560 It's not the way that it is now.

01:19:36.260 We need to change that back.

01:19:37.560 And then you have the democracy, which is the House of Representatives.

01:19:41.220 And then you have the judicial branch to keep all the checks and balances between all

01:19:44.060 of these things.

01:19:44.480 Now, that culture is one that is based on the, it's based on the individual, right?

01:19:52.780 Individual rights.

01:19:53.840 Okay.

01:19:54.320 So what has happened is that in this country, where once the individual has been propped

01:19:58.620 up and educated and kept healthy, now the individual has been subverted through this

01:20:03.760 deep state system.

01:20:05.460 Everybody wants to know the truth.

01:20:07.500 What has happened with all these lies recently is it's created an appetite and a thirst for reality

01:20:12.460 and truth.

01:20:13.080 So what we have to do is make sure a couple of things.

01:20:15.720 Number one, our populations are fully informed, fully well-armed, and fully well-fed.

01:20:23.200 Okay.

01:20:23.480 We don't have that currently.

01:20:25.540 Okay.

01:20:26.520 That is the solution.

01:20:27.720 And it's going to, and kind of like what Yuri Besmanov was saying about taking 20 years to

01:20:31.180 do demoralization.

01:20:32.060 It's going to take about 10 to 15 years to remoralize our society.

01:20:36.460 I don't think, I like your idea.

01:20:38.900 Don't get the wrong idea.

01:20:40.020 I'm just saying that I think that the real, the real answer is education and access to

01:20:45.640 real information, which when the Trump administration released the JFK files, the RFK files, the MLK

01:20:51.700 files, they were giving people access to real information.

01:20:54.960 Here's real information.

01:20:55.900 Here's why the vote changed in the inner cities for Trump, because they filled up schools

01:21:00.820 like public schools and community centers with Guatemalan immigrants.

01:21:05.040 And the people, they'll realize, that's why you saw like black women on TV suddenly say, 1.00

01:21:08.320 I've never done anything but Democrat politics my whole life.

01:21:11.320 But I vote with my wallet.

01:21:12.640 I vote to save my community.

01:21:13.980 Yes, that's, that's completely true.

01:21:15.960 That's self-interest.

01:21:16.760 We have to understand this as part of democracy and it's going to be a much stronger part of

01:21:20.480 democracy than any education you're ever going to give anybody.

01:21:23.080 People in large groups will always vote to reflect their interests and that's okay.

01:21:27.360 That's fine.

01:21:27.840 But we have to understand this.

01:21:29.280 But the, but this is what I guess I'm trying to say is that we are lost because we follow

01:21:34.000 blind leaders.

01:21:35.060 We have people like Joe Biden that have been in office for 50 years and somehow, someway

01:21:39.860 they still keep getting elected.

01:21:41.060 Right.

01:21:41.500 Or, you know, people like Pelosi or Schiff or whatever.

01:21:45.540 I mean, these people, even, even rhinos like Romney.

01:21:49.160 So to me, it's like, okay, this, the real issue, you guys, is lack of, lack of information

01:21:55.860 and lack of education.

01:21:56.880 If people understood what the deep state was, if people had access to real information.

01:22:01.100 I do want to push back on that.

01:22:02.340 And the reason I want to is because there's never been a time in history where it was easier

01:22:06.880 to get information.

01:22:08.480 But this is the, but here's the thing about PSYOP.

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01:23:29.640 The fact of the matter is, at least as far as I can see, is people aren't actually interested,

01:23:35.360 right?

01:23:35.540 If you look at the number of people that actually vote in off years versus the

01:23:39.440 presidential elections, I don't know the numbers, but it's significantly lower.

01:23:44.280 And I feel like that is an indicator that people actually aren't interested.

01:23:48.760 And so when they go and they vote for president, right, they will do their team voting.

01:23:54.800 Essentially, if they imagine themselves as a Democrat, they almost always will vote Democrat

01:24:00.720 and then they'll vote Democrat down ticket.

01:24:02.520 That's changing, though.

01:24:03.400 I mean, this is the point.

01:24:04.600 This is why they had to use suppression on Facebook and Twitter, why they had to censor

01:24:08.860 people, because the truth was starting to win.

01:24:11.560 That's why they tried to stop it.

01:24:13.120 So I think we're defeating that because we're getting the truth out.

01:24:18.700 Do you think that it's because the information is available?

01:24:21.600 Yeah, and that's right.

01:24:23.160 So I think that their suppression campaign failed.

01:24:26.380 People still got the information they needed.

01:24:28.240 And like we said before, because they pulled the mask off and becoming open totalitarians,

01:24:33.260 they can see finally that, oh, they're actually right about that.

01:24:36.740 There's something there.

01:24:37.720 Why are they going after Trump so hard?

01:24:39.620 You know, why are they committing unprecedented lawfare against him?

01:24:43.380 There's something there.

01:24:44.360 So they're starting to see that Trump is right.

01:24:46.080 They're starting to listen to him.

01:24:46.880 The internet got out of control or whatever.

01:24:48.500 Right.

01:24:48.760 They weren't able to control the information.

01:24:49.820 And they tried to put it back in the box, but it didn't work.

01:24:51.600 Right, right.

01:24:51.980 So, you know, I think there's a lot of, like, look at Mele in Argentina, right? 0.62

01:24:56.300 Look at what's-her-name in Italy.

01:24:58.040 There's a populist upsurge all around the world against the elite.

01:25:01.860 It's the elites versus the people.

01:25:03.780 And I think that, I think, I have a lot of faith in the average person. 0.96

01:25:07.900 I think, yes, they've been dumbed down.

01:25:09.720 Yes, they've been manipulated.

01:25:10.940 But I think because of the free exchange of information we now have, I think we have a good 1.00

01:25:14.900 chance now, if we don't abandon them, don't just say, okay, you're just too stupid to vote, 0.94

01:25:18.760 and I'm going to try to figure out a way for you not to vote, instead of saying, hey, 0.99

01:25:21.980 man, you've been duped your whole frigging life, but come over here. 0.88

01:25:24.960 Let's get it done. 0.98

01:25:26.080 I think that doesn't go well.

01:25:27.120 I do.

01:25:27.480 I do want to.

01:25:28.180 They have to be willing, ready, and able.

01:25:29.860 Well, sure.

01:25:30.140 They're not.

01:25:30.720 I don't believe these people in general.

01:25:33.320 So many people are able to make informed decisions and guide the destiny of their country.

01:25:36.680 There needs to be less voting.

01:25:37.900 People are willing to change their behavior when they're uncomfortable.

01:25:40.580 We'll see.

01:25:40.720 They respond, again, to what is best for them in a material sense.

01:25:45.880 What's wrong with that?

01:25:46.640 I do think that it's okay to say, like, the idea of incentivizing people to not vote, right?

01:25:53.620 And what I mean by that is making sure that the people that do vote actually really want

01:25:59.860 to vote, really have a belief in what they're voting for, likely will have knowledge, right?

01:26:06.260 Have information about what they're voting for.

01:26:09.020 Now, that's not a guarantee of good outcomes.

01:26:11.920 And I think one of the strongest indicators of that is if you look at the most politically

01:26:15.980 active people in America, they're on the left because the people that are on the right

01:26:21.080 have jobs and they go to work and they focus on their family and they focus on themselves.

01:26:24.880 People on the left tend to be activists.

01:26:26.920 They tend to be people that are-

01:26:27.960 They focus on the process.

01:26:28.720 Yeah, exactly.

01:26:30.080 And so you see a lot more activism on the left side than you do on the right.

01:26:34.460 So it's completely possible that people that decide that they want to be active in the

01:26:41.420 political process that you're talking about, the hypothetical that you're talking about,

01:26:45.440 they say, well, I will give up whatever incentive is given to not vote.

01:26:51.720 And the people that actually will do that would be the people that are the activists, the people

01:26:54.960 that are the green activists, the people that are, you know, the people that have that kind

01:26:58.780 of incentive. 0.98

01:26:59.240 I guess, yeah, I guess I've always been on the right because I didn't give a shit about 0.98

01:27:03.060 politics most of my life. 0.99

01:27:04.480 So.

01:27:05.120 Well, that's one of the reasons, excuse me.

01:27:07.180 That's one of the reasons why the right kind of has the political results that they do

01:27:13.960 is because people on the right tend to work for their families.

01:27:17.240 They work for their local communities.

01:27:19.640 They're mostly in tune with the people that are close to them, whereas people on the left

01:27:24.680 are very, uh, are very much politically motivated.

01:27:28.460 They have, they have causes that they're interested in and people on the right, they want the option

01:27:34.040 to opt out of politics.

01:27:35.500 People on the left, they want the political process because they want to show it off.

01:27:39.800 They want to be involved, not opt out.

01:27:41.640 But education is a meaningless word.

01:27:43.360 Look, we have two sides.

01:27:45.920 I know what it means too.

01:27:46.720 But what does it mean to people?

01:27:47.720 Well, apparently it doesn't mean much because one side of politics in America, sex changes 1.00

01:27:53.060 children like that.

01:27:54.000 That's a real thing that happens now.

01:27:55.660 And that's wild.

01:27:57.140 Okay.

01:27:57.540 But it didn't move the needle.

01:27:59.020 Like when that was a public, like children, we all see this.

01:28:02.340 That didn't move the political needle.

01:28:03.600 What moved it was inflation and material goods.

01:28:07.200 No, it helped.

01:28:08.160 Maybe the reason why nobody wants to be informed is because the American culture, as far as politics

01:28:12.780 is concerned, is so toxic.

01:28:14.120 It's like, look, I think it was made toxic on purpose, to be honest with you, because

01:28:18.160 look at it like this.

01:28:18.860 Okay.

01:28:19.360 Each side is believing a different misinformation narrative.

01:28:22.880 Okay.

01:28:23.040 I know this from experience.

01:28:24.840 Okay.

01:28:25.200 Because there's people on the right that were believing one thing about me that wasn't true.

01:28:28.160 And there's people on the left that were believing another thing about me that wasn't true.

01:28:30.960 So the idea here is that there's no real objectivity.

01:28:33.980 There's no real objective reality.

01:28:35.660 There is just the PSYOP.

01:28:38.340 And so what we have with these news networks is a bunch of different PSYOP pushers, and

01:28:44.060 we have people self-selecting themselves for these groups.

01:28:47.580 And then that's why they're so like, you know, tribal about it, because they chose to

01:28:51.560 be a Democrat.

01:28:52.160 They chose to be a Republican based on these talking points.

01:28:55.260 That's all neuro-linguistic programming.

01:28:57.120 It's all based on psychological warfare and mind control, you guys.

01:29:00.500 So what we have here is compartmentalized and propagandized groups of warring tribes, all

01:29:06.420 fighting over what misinformation is true.

01:29:08.940 I don't know that I agree that people are so easily pushed into one camp or the other.

01:29:16.000 I think a lot of that is innate emotionally.

01:29:18.260 I think that it comes inside.

01:29:18.940 What I'm talking about is regarding people that are in politics, though.

01:29:22.920 Well, but I still think that it's worth at least noting that people are not like, I'm 0.73

01:29:28.500 very, very anti-Blank Slate.

01:29:30.500 Right?

01:29:30.840 Like, I'm very, very against that type of concept.

01:29:34.100 You mean no party affiliation?

01:29:35.260 Well, no, that people are just a blank slate.

01:29:37.220 People are not a blank slate.

01:29:38.560 People have different dispositions, different emotional states, and we're emotional creatures.

01:29:45.400 We were emotional creatures long before we were able to reason and actually think like,

01:29:50.820 you know, godly beings or whatever you want to call it.

01:29:54.800 So I think that a lot of people's political positions are based on their emotions, and

01:30:02.560 then they rationalize afterwards.

01:30:04.520 And that's honestly, studies have shown that people do have free will, but only if you take

01:30:11.340 a second to stop and think.

01:30:13.340 And most people don't take that second to stop.

01:30:15.580 It's your free will.

01:30:16.960 When you hear a stimuli and then you react, you're not, you don't have free will.

01:30:21.960 If you hear, have a stimuli, take a moment to evaluate and process that stimuli and then

01:30:29.200 react.

01:30:29.680 Then you're exercising free will.

01:30:31.800 And if you just react, then you're not.

01:30:33.640 That's what PSYOPs are intended to do, is to stimulate emotion.

01:30:36.240 Cults actually use that as part of their, when they train people into a cult or sort

01:30:41.700 of school people in the, do we have to ask you to go to the bathroom?

01:30:46.120 No, you just go ahead.

01:30:46.620 No, okay.

01:30:47.260 I didn't know if I got a halt.

01:30:49.480 If anyone goes and leaves, don't close the door all the way because it'll lock.

01:30:53.140 Okay.

01:30:54.440 So something I was talking about.

01:30:56.740 Oh, yeah.

01:30:57.420 So cults, like they teach you in their principles or their philosophies, if they call them that,

01:31:03.980 in a rapid succession in order that you do not have that time to consider, to use your

01:31:11.020 analytical mind to take in what you're hearing.

01:31:14.420 You just take it in, boom, boom, boom, because they're rapid fire.

01:31:17.260 I mean, that's one of the physical things they do when they train the people into the

01:31:22.660 cult.

01:31:23.080 I know this because I experienced it one time.

01:31:25.520 Oh, really?

01:31:26.100 Yeah.

01:31:26.260 I was in a cult for a moment.

01:31:27.820 Sure.

01:31:28.240 Yeah.

01:31:28.800 It was called LifeSpring.

01:31:29.840 It was like one of these, you know, achieve your, you know, this or that and complete 0.95

01:31:34.160 your relationships and all that crap. 0.73

01:31:36.120 So next thing you know, you're reading Dianetics. 0.99

01:31:38.020 Yes, exactly.

01:31:39.380 Yeah.

01:31:39.940 Could have happened.

01:31:40.720 You know, Tom Cruise.

01:31:42.020 You know, right.

01:31:42.660 Yeah.

01:31:42.820 I could be successful.

01:31:45.060 Following Jared Leto around with all the women. 0.99

01:31:48.480 So anyways, yeah.

01:31:49.640 So I do think that the idea of limiting the people that can vote is something that gets

01:31:57.620 tossed around a lot.

01:31:59.780 I don't know how you-

01:32:01.420 That's a tough sell.

01:32:02.000 Exactly.

01:32:02.640 I don't, because again-

01:32:03.640 Easy when you pay them.

01:32:04.820 Well, if you-

01:32:06.160 That's an ugly way of saying it, actually.

01:32:08.700 That's the tough sell.

01:32:09.800 But how you get that law passed is also something where it's like, I don't know, because it's

01:32:15.260 one thing for a, for a legislator, you know, a representative, a senator to talk about this.

01:32:22.980 Getting, you know, a majority of the House to go along is a long shot.

01:32:28.800 To get the Senate to go along is a long shot.

01:32:30.780 And even now, whereas generally, and this is something that we talk about on the show

01:32:35.220 a lot, generally people kind of feel like there was a landslide because there was a

01:32:38.800 shift overall to the right in the United States, right?

01:32:42.260 Like the Democrats picked up zero counties.

01:32:45.220 Zero.

01:32:45.860 Kamala Harris didn't get one. 0.99

01:32:47.420 There were like 11 in California that shifted to the Republicans.

01:32:51.480 Donald Trump won the popular vote.

01:32:53.220 And that's the first time a Republican has won the popular vote, I think, since at least

01:32:58.420 in 25 years.

01:32:59.300 1960.

01:33:00.360 But it might, I think, no, Reagan won the popular vote, I think.

01:33:02.400 Yeah, I think it was Reagan.

01:33:03.080 If it wasn't Reagan, then it might have been Nixon.

01:33:05.820 If it wasn't Reagan, then I think that it might have been Bush Sr.

01:33:09.380 Oh, that's right.

01:33:09.940 I'm mixing you up.

01:33:10.660 The largest percentage of black voters was 1960.

01:33:13.240 Yeah.

01:33:13.840 And yes, the percentage of the minority vote that Donald Trump picked up was historic. 0.56

01:33:19.780 The fact that the Republicans got the House and the Senate was a big deal.

01:33:23.420 So there was a, even though the number of people that voted for Donald Trump doesn't, for some

01:33:29.020 people, doesn't qualify as a landslide, there was a very significant and clear shift to the

01:33:34.440 right for the whole country.

01:33:36.400 And I don't think that's really, you know, that's not something that we can, you know,

01:33:41.120 you can deny.

01:33:42.040 You can dismiss that.

01:33:42.840 Yeah.

01:33:43.140 It's culture war.

01:33:44.060 We were winning the culture war.

01:33:45.160 It's not just...

01:33:45.660 You know what?

01:33:45.680 Someone should name a show after that.

01:33:47.040 I love that.

01:33:47.740 I love that term.

01:33:48.760 It's great.

01:33:49.040 No, we're winning the culture war, though.

01:33:50.200 The American experiment worked. 0.73

01:33:52.320 I think that's what I took away from all of this, is that the American experiment was

01:33:57.080 this idea that we have an authority above the rights, above man, above the institutions

01:34:03.900 of man, and that is God, right?

01:34:05.900 And so we have these God-given, unalienable rights that are, you know, given to us by God,

01:34:10.240 not by government.

01:34:11.120 And that idea being in the hearts and the minds of the people, the principles behind

01:34:15.960 the founding documents.

01:34:16.860 There are enough people in this country that got it, okay, and enough people in this country

01:34:21.520 that pushed back against this mass formation psychosis that we were dealing with, okay,

01:34:26.400 to the point where the culture changed, right?

01:34:29.920 They jumped the shark, you know, saying, oh, there's no such thing as a boy or a girl.

01:34:33.400 I mean, whatever you want.

01:34:34.400 And that's really a boy, you know, or really a girl.

01:34:37.220 It's the swimming in the girls' team.

01:34:38.640 They jumped the shark. 0.96

01:34:39.060 People were like, no, this is ridiculous. 1.00

01:34:40.540 That's a freaking guy. 1.00

01:34:41.360 It's a dude, obviously. 0.99

01:34:42.240 I think that, I mean, there is an argument to be made that the economy was the biggest

01:34:48.560 factor.

01:34:49.240 And I think that the things like the left asserting that, you know, men could become women,

01:34:56.040 women could become men.

01:34:57.340 I think that that was a secondary factor.

01:34:59.200 Um, and I don't think that you get the kind of shift that we got in the election without

01:35:04.300 all of them.

01:35:05.200 I was, I was having a, uh, in the open border too.

01:35:07.680 Yep.

01:35:07.940 I was having a discussion with a friend of mine who's, who's a staunch Democrat.

01:35:10.740 He's voted Democrat forever, every single time.

01:35:13.300 And he, he has nary a move has been made from, from his, his position as a Democrat.

01:35:19.240 And he was like, you know, look, it was, it was the economy, but the economy was 66% of

01:35:25.100 the people, and I think 63% said that, um, the, the immigration problems we're having

01:35:32.460 was one.

01:35:33.160 And then, uh, a little bit further down was things like gender ideology and stuff.

01:35:37.520 And I think their gender ideology mostly resonates with, with parents.

01:35:40.880 I think the parents think of their child either deciding that they, they want to actually

01:35:46.440 mutilate their own body or they want to, uh, they, they worry about their daughter being

01:35:54.380 in a bathroom.

01:35:55.280 I think people, it's also scary.

01:35:57.560 I mean, transsexual is different, but still.

01:35:59.780 Yeah.

01:36:00.120 The other one is, uh, is actually a no, no, but, but, uh, um, but yes, the, the, the idea

01:36:05.740 that, you know, you can become a man or a, become a woman from, from being denial of reality

01:36:12.020 is a denial of reality.

01:36:13.900 And it's something that even though the average person, um, generally agrees, you can't, um,

01:36:20.480 it's still something that seems far away until it actually hits home.

01:36:24.740 Even if you know someone that's trans that, that wants to live their life that way, they, 1.00

01:36:29.220 most of the time people, if you, if you say, look, they can't do that or they shouldn't

01:36:34.920 do that, you're instantly called a bigot.

01:36:36.800 Right.

01:36:37.160 And everyone wants to think of them, think of themselves as a good person.

01:36:41.860 And so if you're like, well, I'm a live and let live kind of person, you know, it's hard

01:36:45.880 to say, no, you shouldn't be able to do that.

01:36:47.740 Right.

01:36:47.980 Also, it can be impressive sometimes.

01:36:49.840 I mean, you go like, that's a dude.

01:36:51.280 Are you kidding me?

01:36:52.540 I had a, well done.

01:36:55.180 Well, you're from California.

01:36:57.200 One of my co-defendants was a, one of my co-defendants is a transsexual. 0.93

01:37:00.780 Yeah.

01:37:01.000 Jessica Watkins.

01:37:01.900 Okay.

01:37:02.140 I mean, Ranger veteran.

01:37:03.220 We thought that was a woman. 1.00

01:37:04.520 Wow.

01:37:05.000 She volunteered as an EMT and did multiple missions with us.

01:37:08.620 Good to go.

01:37:09.360 Come to find out that was really a guy, you know, and I like Jessica.

01:37:13.900 That's why she's so strong.

01:37:15.460 Dedicated Patriot.

01:37:17.740 But, but I think, I think, I think Watkins would even say, look, it's really, I think

01:37:23.560 she would acknowledge it.

01:37:24.360 He, he or she, Shem would say, look, this is, this is a form of mental illness.

01:37:27.980 It really, and it really is, to be honest with you.

01:37:30.420 It really is.

01:37:31.000 This is a person who, what do they call it?

01:37:32.780 Gender dysphoria.

01:37:33.580 They don't understand.

01:37:34.700 Dysphoria.

01:37:34.860 They don't, they don't want to accept reality.

01:37:36.780 Gender dysphoria is actually the experience when you have, when your gender doesn't align with

01:37:41.920 your, your physical body.

01:37:43.860 Personally, I look, I, I mean, I have a, a, a, a fairly hard line on that.

01:37:48.420 I, I, I don't even believe in gender.

01:37:50.480 I think that that's a made up term because it's called, you know, it is, it is a social

01:37:54.780 construct, but it is your biological sex.

01:37:56.460 That, that is the strongest predictor of your behavior, and then when you talk to people

01:38:01.160 that are trans, almost all of them have a caricatured version of what the other sex 1.00

01:38:07.120 is.

01:38:07.400 Like, you very rarely find, uh, trans women that are like kind of tomboy trans women. 0.94

01:38:14.340 They're always, they're always like girl, girly, girly, and, and.

01:38:18.520 Eye heels.

01:38:19.160 Exactly.

01:38:19.600 And then when you deal with, with trans men, you don't see feminine trans men. 0.86

01:38:25.260 They're always a character of what a butch man is, and, and, and they're, they're more 0.99

01:38:29.280 butch than the flannel wearing butch lesbians that you, you, you imagine driving, uh, Subarus, 1.00

01:38:34.660 you know. 0.99

01:38:34.860 Right.

01:38:35.220 Um, but as a libertarian, I'm like, hey, live your, live your life.

01:38:38.040 Yeah.

01:38:38.180 But what pissed me off though, was the insistence that, okay, and now this guy is going to

01:38:42.980 be on the swim team for the women's swim team.

01:38:44.620 Yes.

01:38:44.800 Now this guy's going to be in a locker room.

01:38:46.300 That's going to dominate the sports, you know, that's what just, I fully support trans

01:38:49.760 athletes.

01:38:50.360 Why?

01:38:50.700 Just give them their own. 0.58

01:38:51.740 No, I'll tell you why. 1.00

01:38:52.520 Because women have been voting for the dumbest shit on earth for 100 years. 1.00

01:38:55.600 Oh my God. 1.00

01:38:56.600 And it is time that we destroy the sports.

01:38:57.960 We're getting close to full on repeal the 19th over here.

01:39:00.940 I'm sure.

01:39:02.520 He's a proud boy.

01:39:03.560 What's he going to say?

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01:40:48.780 Now have an opportunity to really solve this deep state problem more than we ever have in

01:40:53.060 history because the culture has shifted.

01:40:54.840 The collective mind has shifted.

01:40:56.340 People see how obvious the corruption is.

01:40:59.040 So what we have to do guys, in order to really like rang in the fricking bureaucracy, we

01:41:04.820 have to take back the Congress.

01:41:06.600 Okay.

01:41:06.780 Trump, Trump's writing these executive orders and that's all great.

01:41:09.820 That's all fine, well, and good.

01:41:10.640 It's a bandaid.

01:41:12.100 Okay.

01:41:12.600 What was happening?

01:41:13.580 What happened to this country and its destruction was done in the legislature.

01:41:16.920 Ladies and gentlemen, 1913 Federal Reserve.

01:41:19.660 Okay.

01:41:20.140 So we have to get rid of the Fed.

01:41:22.180 That's number one.

01:41:22.800 Number two, we have to get a two thirds majority in Congress.

01:41:25.220 Otherwise, we're not going to be able to pass these bills that are going to be, you know,

01:41:28.720 trimming the bureaucracy.

01:41:29.600 And we also have to start recalling federal judges.

01:41:32.700 Okay.

01:41:33.200 The only way we can do that is if we have a two thirds majority in the Congress.

01:41:36.860 We need to secure the federal elections so that this upcoming 2026 election, we can get

01:41:42.040 the majority of America first people in the Congress.

01:41:45.140 It has to be MAGA people, right?

01:41:46.940 Yeah.

01:41:47.140 And then, and then we have to start, we also have to do a single bill voting law.

01:41:52.140 Okay.

01:41:52.440 We have to get all these things narrowed down to a single bill so we can see where the

01:41:55.860 corruption's at, who's voting for the special interests, who's voting for the American people.

01:41:59.860 And then term limits.

01:42:00.800 Well, the term limits, that's an amendment.

01:42:02.400 It should go, and this is actually what I ran on when I ran for Congress.

01:42:05.140 It should go single bill voting law, term limits, get rid of lobbying, ban the lobbying in DC. 0.94

01:42:12.940 And then you go to the insider trading, million dollar fines, expulsion from Congress and

01:42:21.460 prosecution for insider trading.

01:42:23.120 Like these are the steps that we have to go to take back our Republic.

01:42:26.840 We have to take back the legislature.

01:42:29.200 We have to get a two thirds majority.

01:42:30.880 We have to start cleaning out the courts. 0.56

01:42:32.500 We have to start cleaning up the bureaucracy.

01:42:34.000 It's not going to be an executive order issue.

01:42:36.680 We, the American people have to, we have to step up to the plate and we have to knock

01:42:40.080 it out of the park.

01:42:40.600 I think a good shortcut though, to help that happen would be what I call for in 2020, which

01:42:45.140 is use the declassification power to declassify all the dirty secrets of the elites in every

01:42:50.620 single agency, FBI, CIA, NSA.

01:42:53.580 That's the swamp water in DC that they swim in is the secrets that both protects them and

01:42:58.520 controls them.

01:42:59.460 They're blackmailed.

01:43:00.580 As long as they go along with the plan, they're okay.

01:43:02.860 Step out of line.

01:43:03.400 They can be exposed and destroyed.

01:43:04.740 That's how they're, that's how they're controlled.

01:43:06.360 Correct.

01:43:06.740 Same thing with J. Edgar Hoover on.

01:43:08.120 So if you do the master declassification and data, WikiLeaks style, expose all of that,

01:43:12.920 then you know exactly who's been bought and paid for by a foreign government, who's a

01:43:16.460 pedophile, et cetera. 0.96

01:43:17.880 You know all their dirty secrets.

01:43:19.080 They didn't go, they didn't go clean house, including the judges.

01:43:21.360 Yes.

01:43:21.800 You are a hundred percent correct.

01:43:23.320 That's actually what I was advocating for too.

01:43:25.180 I think Cash Patel is on that too.

01:43:26.360 He's talking about doing the classification.

01:43:28.080 That's why they don't want him in.

01:43:29.380 Right.

01:43:29.600 But let's get back to January 6th.

01:43:31.740 They didn't serve lunch.

01:43:32.900 There was nowhere to pee.

01:43:34.180 Okay.

01:43:34.860 No people.

01:43:35.560 That's right.

01:43:35.900 No, no, no.

01:43:36.720 One.

01:43:37.260 It was horrible.

01:43:38.440 Snacks stand, nothing.

01:43:39.860 You'd think that the food trucks would have been there.

01:43:41.800 Oh yeah.

01:43:42.260 I mean, I see why people got a little irate.

01:43:44.940 Right.

01:43:45.260 Everybody, if they'd have, if they'd have been fed, they wouldn't have been so upset.

01:43:48.760 Totally.

01:43:49.040 Both the police and, and the protest.

01:43:52.840 So we're going to get back to January 6th.

01:43:57.160 You're, I was, I was interested in, in asking, I asked you about your experience afterwards.

01:44:01.720 What was, what was your experience like afterwards?

01:44:03.700 Cause you said you were there as a journalist, right?

01:44:05.860 Yeah.

01:44:06.000 I was the first one to get busted out of maybe anybody.

01:44:08.180 So when they, they put up like a few names on CNN for a go get them.

01:44:12.380 It was me and a baked Alaska and like two other people.

01:44:16.340 I forget who at the moment.

01:44:17.400 So I, I got Watkins, Jessica Watkins.

01:44:19.320 I wasn't with him, but yeah, I definitely went after my head for sure.

01:44:24.740 So, uh, media does drive our judicial system in a big way.

01:44:28.240 I'll get to that in a minute, but I got, I got yanked up on the 7th, right?

01:44:31.060 At the airport.

01:44:32.020 Whoa.

01:44:32.220 Oh really?

01:44:32.620 So right away.

01:44:33.260 I guess that's FBI SOP is they went to you, grab your bag, said like, no, it's you.

01:44:37.100 Was that because of your association with, with proud boys?

01:44:40.440 Yeah.

01:44:40.840 I mean, I got four years over.

01:44:42.160 I was doing proud boy time.

01:44:43.260 You know what I mean?

01:44:44.260 Okay.

01:44:44.580 Okay.

01:44:45.040 So they, they threw me in, uh, uh, uh, solitary for a week.

01:44:49.700 I guess was a trespassing charge, which is federal prison on trespassing.

01:44:54.380 I think it's probably a first, but you know, you don't know nothing.

01:44:57.000 Then, uh, you're just thinking like, not 50 years because right before then, one of the

01:45:01.520 last things I said on my phone is, uh, I see this as becoming a thing.

01:45:05.200 They may arrest me.

01:45:06.100 They may not.

01:45:06.500 But I frankly doubt it because it didn't feel like, again, I've, I've seen bigger riots.

01:45:10.380 It didn't feel like the biggest thing in the world, but I wasn't watching TV.

01:45:13.480 I was on it.

01:45:14.060 You know what I mean?

01:45:14.920 So the mood was already setting in, but people did think it was funny until they were told

01:45:18.780 otherwise, which correct.

01:45:20.300 I mean, I would look out to be flat out honest with you.

01:45:22.100 I was making jokes for my, for my office.

01:45:23.940 That's what I got in trouble in my paperwork.

01:45:25.700 That's one of my sins.

01:45:26.760 It says providing a carnival atmosphere.

01:45:28.540 Cause I came through with my, my media team to make jokes about what was a funny situation,

01:45:32.580 which is what we did.

01:45:33.920 And that, that, you know, normalized violence with our, our, our snappy comments.

01:45:38.140 Okay.

01:45:39.760 I couldn't help it.

01:45:42.980 The Mars attacks, they blew up the cap.

01:45:45.660 I got, I got yanked up first.

01:45:47.180 Right.

01:45:47.440 And then I got let out in a week, $5,000 bond after the, you know, doing a week, I was

01:45:51.320 treated somewhat like a normal criminal and then it got worse for people.

01:45:54.440 Right.

01:45:54.720 Uh, you get arrested, uh, a month later and now you got to wear an ankle bracelet.

01:45:59.140 You get arrested a month after that.

01:46:00.840 Well, now you're not getting pretrial release, right?

01:46:02.900 Cause the media meme sets in and, uh, lawyers and judges respond to that as it is the general

01:46:07.420 public.

01:46:08.180 All right.

01:46:08.340 What people generally believe matters.

01:46:09.940 Your neighbors matter more than laws, blah, blah, blah.

01:46:12.140 So we get to this.

01:46:13.220 Um, I, I, they, they hit me hard.

01:46:15.660 Yeah.

01:46:15.960 They hit me hard through the whole thing.

01:46:17.620 Right.

01:46:18.260 I, I, I was, I was, it was not taken easy on me and it wasn't after you're in prison either.

01:46:22.900 This, uh, I'm sure it happened to y'all.

01:46:24.800 They put a management variable on you.

01:46:26.140 So you go up one security level.

01:46:27.520 Right.

01:46:28.080 Uh, everybody like going to solitary just as not like a normal thing in prison.

01:46:31.600 That's if you get in trouble, they threw me in solitary on more made up charges through

01:46:36.460 the prison system.

01:46:37.360 Did, did, did, and, and did you both go into solitary?

01:46:40.820 I guarantee they didn't have months.

01:46:42.180 Yeah.

01:46:42.500 You know, I didn't.

01:46:43.320 And, and, and the government also went and lied on paperwork.

01:46:47.020 The government went and lied on paperwork.

01:46:48.520 So I had to wear it.

01:46:49.300 You know what a black box is.

01:46:50.540 I had to wear a black box.

01:46:51.660 They said I had an escape attempt.

01:46:53.040 I never escaped.

01:46:54.080 I never tried to escape.

01:46:55.200 So they, they manufacture more charges.

01:46:57.080 Like it's not January 6th.

01:46:58.140 That's wild.

01:46:58.600 I know you're not an escapee.

01:46:59.760 That's an incredible, that's like a big deal.

01:47:01.520 Right.

01:47:01.780 So here's what they said I did.

01:47:02.880 They said that I tried to take over the prison by myself and murder the warden.

01:47:08.280 Obviously, if there was an ounce of truth to this, I wouldn't be here talking to y'all.

01:47:11.020 It was not meant to be believed. 0.99

01:47:12.300 The cops would come up and say, yeah, they're fucking with you. 0.99

01:47:14.080 Like I know, but I still did five weeks in a cold. 0.99

01:47:17.620 When I say cold, I mean freezing.

01:47:19.440 You don't eat enough.

01:47:20.200 I lost 25 pounds that I don't have to lose.

01:47:22.340 It's, it's brutal what they do. 1.00

01:47:23.900 And that was to fuck with me. 1.00

01:47:25.920 That's what that was. 1.00

01:47:27.180 It is torture.

01:47:27.900 I was tortured.

01:47:28.720 It's a black box.

01:47:29.000 What's a black box?

01:47:30.360 It's a little black box that they put around your handcuffs so you can't move.

01:47:34.060 It basically, it's for very violent people or people that tried to escape.

01:47:37.940 And they said that I was an escape attempt.

01:47:40.720 And I, I was, what are you talking about?

01:47:43.520 Yeah.

01:47:44.240 But that just goes to what they have you.

01:47:46.180 I mean, on paperwork, they had me down as a gang leader, an affiliate.

01:47:49.680 Like, are you kidding?

01:47:50.820 Like you can talk to the gang leaders in there and they're having a chuckle.

01:47:52.900 My boys was a gang.

01:47:53.940 Oh yeah.

01:47:54.460 When that guy on, on Tucker Carlson said I was a stone cold thug, everybody on the prison

01:47:59.220 yard lost it because I had developed the reputation for being a square.

01:48:02.680 Right.

01:48:03.940 Yeah.

01:48:04.260 But you come in there, like all eyes are on me.

01:48:06.020 Like there were some realized dudes in my prison, but when I was the name, people are

01:48:10.360 Googling me before I came in.

01:48:11.580 Cause you know, apparently I'm the CEO of racism, but then when people, unlike real life 1.00

01:48:17.500 in prison, they'll come up and ask you about your shit. 1.00

01:48:20.300 Okay. 1.00

01:48:20.760 And I'll tell you like, Oh, Oh wait, you're, you're white. 1.00

01:48:23.540 Your wife is black. 1.00

01:48:24.500 They said you're a white supremacist like that. 0.99

01:48:26.980 That may not work in liberals. 0.95

01:48:28.140 They doubled down on that. 1.00

01:48:29.060 Cause psychologically that makes them look stupid. 1.00

01:48:30.860 So they can't be wrong. 1.00

01:48:31.820 So they just say it's white supremacist.

01:48:33.420 Right.

01:48:33.740 I'm right.

01:48:34.420 My wife doesn't understand, but she doesn't agree.

01:48:37.780 I had no problem with the inmates.

01:48:39.020 I was, I was liked, frankly, you know what I mean?

01:48:40.980 But the administration, they didn't like me.

01:48:43.500 Yeah.

01:48:43.700 Actually in similar to, you know, getting messed with in prison too.

01:48:46.960 I also, somebody, and I think this comes down to what you were talking about, about the

01:48:49.640 culture war and you don't know who's doing what somebody sent me meth in the mail when

01:48:54.420 I was in prison.

01:48:56.140 How do we like, you think framing, getting framed or something is like a Hollywood movie

01:48:59.480 thing.

01:48:59.920 No.

01:49:00.340 I've been various attempts to frame me like the hell.

01:49:03.480 Yeah.

01:49:03.660 The guy called me down to the office and I'm like, what's going on?

01:49:06.020 And he's like, so, uh, you got some meth in the mail, you know, but he knew I was a

01:49:11.660 square, you know, he knew like the cops, no, the cops, no, they know the mid-level bureaucrats

01:49:15.780 and stuff is really where the trouble.

01:49:16.800 Well, no, that's not true. 0.73

01:49:17.620 A lot of prison guards are just ugly in their souls. 0.98

01:49:20.040 Like I don't, I don't like you if you're a prison guard straight up, you poor career 0.94

01:49:23.840 choice, but, uh, you know, some are worse than others.

01:49:26.860 The DTS is because they made me go into RDAP.

01:49:29.640 When they asked me if I'd ever taken hallucinogens at the pre sent over the pre sentencing investigation

01:49:34.480 or whatever, um, I was like, yeah, I ate mushrooms, you know, ate some peyote, you know?

01:49:39.000 And then, so they said, Oh, you got to go into RDAP. 0.99

01:49:41.040 You're a drug addict.

01:49:41.880 So I actually got time off my sentence. 0.99

01:49:44.780 Yeah.

01:49:44.920 I didn't answer that right.

01:49:45.740 Yeah.

01:49:46.860 You're off.

01:49:47.820 Yeah, man.

01:49:48.460 Like the, the, the RDAP DTS is some of the best people, drug treatment specialists.

01:49:55.000 What is RDAP for?

01:49:56.320 Residential drug abuse program.

01:49:57.880 Okay.

01:49:58.160 So it's like basically like rehab in prison and you earn time off.

01:50:01.400 I got six months off my sentence.

01:50:02.660 I wouldn't have gotten released when I did, if I hadn't done RDAP.

01:50:04.780 It's funny as it is, a BOP made it mandatory for me to do RDAP.

01:50:07.300 It's hard to get in.

01:50:08.020 A lot of guys lie about being drug addicts.

01:50:09.560 They do just so they can get the year off.

01:50:10.880 Were any of you guys in prison when Donald would, when Donald Trump signed the, uh, the pardon

01:50:15.880 and actually you, so you were.

01:50:17.100 I was commuted, not pardoned.

01:50:18.540 Okay.

01:50:18.740 Yes.

01:50:18.960 I'm one of the 14.

01:50:19.720 You guys, you guys had pardons and you had, I'm not part of mutation.

01:50:22.880 I'm innocent without a pardon.

01:50:24.080 I'm in a slightly different.

01:50:24.900 I'm the only dude that beat my case.

01:50:26.320 Like I got out.

01:50:26.980 Thank God for you.

01:50:28.240 Okay.

01:50:28.380 Cause my crime is no longer a crime.

01:50:30.360 The Supreme court tossed it out.

01:50:31.600 And I did like six more months as my judge said.

01:50:33.800 And you're the only person that was actually in prison when Donald Trump was elected.

01:50:37.380 And then you got released because of the, on the night of the 20th, they knocked on my 1.00

01:50:41.200 cell door and said, pack your crap. 0.99

01:50:42.880 Wow. 1.00

01:50:43.760 And I was like, all right, here we go.

01:50:45.240 It had to be such a good feeling.

01:50:46.460 It was a great, it was awesome.

01:50:47.420 So what was it like leading up to the, to when Donald Trump was elected, like when you

01:50:51.220 heard that Donald Trump was elected and you know, did you have a sense that he was going

01:50:55.180 to keep his promises?

01:50:56.620 Yeah.

01:50:57.100 I talked a little bit about that.

01:50:58.380 Yeah, absolutely.

01:50:59.240 I knew he would.

01:50:59.920 Well, then we saw JD Vance on TV saying, well, those who were violent that day, you know,

01:51:05.160 won't get, won't get pardons.

01:51:06.500 And it was like, well, how do you know they were violent?

01:51:08.160 It's because they're accused of being violent.

01:51:09.640 So I wrote a series of articles for Get Me Pundit advocating for all the guys.

01:51:12.820 I said, you should pardon everybody.

01:51:14.160 It's about presumption of innocence in this country.

01:51:16.200 You're presuming innocence to proven guilty in front of a fair jury, an impartial jury

01:51:20.400 in front of a fair judge.

01:51:21.900 And we didn't get any of that.

01:51:23.100 None of us did.

01:51:23.880 So everyone got a partial jury.

01:51:27.800 Therefore, you should all be presumed innocent.

01:51:29.780 That's why Trump should pardon everybody.

01:51:31.780 Absolutely.

01:51:32.420 I didn't understand that it was going to be me with one of the, one of the guys that

01:51:35.180 wouldn't get a pardon and got a commutation instead, which was kind of a weird, weird

01:51:38.660 feeling.

01:51:39.000 And back to what I was saying earlier, those who pled out because they were, they were facing

01:51:43.680 like Donald Trump himself said, a guy facing 30 years in prison will take two years.

01:51:48.500 I have no problem with that.

01:51:49.760 It's the ones that testify against other people and bear false witness.

01:51:53.640 I have a real problem with.

01:51:54.780 That's what I was just clear about.

01:51:56.280 So we had guys that did that.

01:51:58.020 They rolled over Josh James and Todd Wilson for two oath keepers who pled guilty to seditious

01:52:03.020 conspiracy, the worst charge.

01:52:05.140 And then they signed a fake statement of facts and said that, yes, Stuart Rhodes plans since

01:52:10.040 November to invade the Capitol.

01:52:12.340 And all that's a setup to say, well, then Trump ordered him to do that.

01:52:15.620 So they went along with that nonsense.

01:52:17.420 They got probation only.

01:52:19.120 I got 18 years.

01:52:20.020 The judge gave them probation only, no prison time.

01:52:22.160 And they got pardoned.

01:52:23.860 So that's where I'm saying, okay, this is just not, not right.

01:52:26.260 Those of us who were commuted, I believe it will come eventually.

01:52:29.000 I think we'll all be pardoned also.

01:52:30.240 So you're, as that, the fact that you got a commuted sentence means that you're still

01:52:35.000 considered a felon.

01:52:36.300 You're still considered a felon.

01:52:37.900 And so all of the things that go along with it, you can't own firearms, you have to, I

01:52:42.620 mean, there's a bunch of.

01:52:43.420 Can't vote in Texas. 0.50

01:52:44.500 And as a veteran, I got a letter from the VA saying that all my veterans benefits are

01:52:48.760 now terminated and I can't be buried in a veteran cemetery when I die, which is a slap

01:52:54.160 in the face to me as a service-connected veteran, a disabled veteran.

01:52:57.320 It's horrific.

01:52:58.160 That needs fixed.

01:52:58.680 And I know Joe Biggs is in the same position, a lot of other guys too.

01:53:01.680 So we need our rights restored.

01:53:02.640 Oh yeah, Joe Biggs.

01:53:03.420 All right.

01:53:03.800 I haven't thought of him in a while.

01:53:05.420 He's one of the 14.

01:53:06.280 It was only Oath Keepers and Proud Boys got commutations.

01:53:08.920 Okay.

01:53:09.220 Other than pardon.

01:53:09.780 Do you remember what I just, what I said a little earlier about the conspiracy charge

01:53:12.780 and all they need is two witnesses that agree to the government story and then they

01:53:15.900 can throw you in prison for 20 years?

01:53:17.860 Now I want everybody that's watching to know they can do this to you too if you don't stand

01:53:22.840 up and we change things.

01:53:24.280 You know what I'm saying?

01:53:25.260 Right.

01:53:25.520 Yeah, I mean, it's, it is, I mean, I feel like the American people generally know that

01:53:33.020 if the government wants to wrap you up, they can, I mean, everyone is aware of like the

01:53:37.240 whole like three felonies a day.

01:53:39.780 Well, they're becoming more aware.

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01:54:59.760 Yeah, and on average, Americans commit three felonies a day without even realizing it.

01:55:03.860 Because there's so many laws.

01:55:04.240 Federal felonies.

01:55:05.120 Federal felonies.

01:55:05.720 Because there's so many laws on the books.

01:55:07.200 That's right.

01:55:07.800 That you will, people do things in their normal day-to-day life without even realizing it.

01:55:11.720 And they're harmless things that shouldn't be felonies, but because of the fact that there's

01:55:16.220 so many.

01:55:16.880 Embezzlement, mail fraud.

01:55:18.080 Yeah, I know what you mean.

01:55:18.920 I mean, really, you know, you'd think.

01:55:21.100 Show me the man, I'll show you the crime.

01:55:22.760 That's why there's so many laws.

01:55:24.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:55:26.020 That's right.

01:55:27.560 And I believe, there was a really, the more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.

01:55:31.460 Yeah, absolutely.

01:55:32.160 That's true.

01:55:33.000 So again, I mean, go on.

01:55:34.720 Tell me more about what it was like after Donald Trump was elected, like when you heard

01:55:39.480 that he won.

01:55:40.180 When he got shot.

01:55:41.060 That's why I got this tattoo.

01:55:42.160 Let me saw that.

01:55:42.800 Oh, okay.

01:55:43.220 Yeah.

01:55:43.480 When he got shot, that's when he won the election.

01:55:45.820 And after that, because I was worried too.

01:55:48.020 I knew they tried to cheat again.

01:55:49.240 I knew we had to make it too big to rig, as Wendy Bell calls it, and Donald Trump also

01:55:52.900 calls it.

01:55:53.320 But once he, when he was shot and reacted like that, I knew he had won.

01:55:57.380 I was, after that, I was pretty confident he was going to win.

01:55:59.800 So, but I did believe that he would keep his promise.

01:56:02.580 I was, I was dismayed when I heard Vance say what he said on the, on the news.

01:56:05.620 I didn't like that.

01:56:06.320 When was that, in December or was that?

01:56:07.840 I think it was back in December.

01:56:09.140 Yeah.

01:56:09.380 When he was saying, well, you know, those who were violent that day, well, how do you know?

01:56:12.120 He's a Yale Law graduate.

01:56:13.140 Does he understand this?

01:56:14.240 You know, presumption of innocence, how do you know they were violent?

01:56:16.300 Just because they said so?

01:56:17.320 So, so, but aside from that, I believed he would keep his promise, at least let, I think

01:56:23.220 he would let everyone out, as he said, a day of liberation.

01:56:26.380 So on that day, I knew it was coming.

01:56:28.140 So we listened to him on the radio.

01:56:29.940 We've been locked down most of the day because someone got stabbed in our, in our facility.

01:56:33.100 But we were, we were listening on the radio to everything that was going on for his inauguration.

01:56:37.460 And he said, hey, you know, I'm going to take action, not words, but action.

01:56:40.500 So I knew it was coming.

01:56:41.580 It was, it was fantastic though, to walk out of those gates.

01:56:43.520 Yeah.

01:56:43.800 It was awesome.

01:56:44.600 Yeah.

01:56:44.960 That's great.

01:56:45.580 How long did you, how long were you in for, Jake?

01:56:47.480 I was not in.

01:56:48.340 Oh, you didn't?

01:56:48.700 I just spent a day in jail when I was originally, when I turned myself into the FBI.

01:56:53.440 You just had your life ruined.

01:56:54.820 Oh, yes.

01:56:55.440 Okay.

01:56:55.580 Yeah.

01:56:55.780 Yeah.

01:56:55.960 For four years was a nightmare.

01:56:57.860 And yeah, it's amazing how many people went through what I went through and worse, much

01:57:02.520 worse, obviously.

01:57:03.700 And it's, it, it's just unspeakable things they did to people and, and that the, the backlash

01:57:11.820 that people who were, I guess, ignorant of the reality that they exacted on their, their

01:57:20.300 fellow people, you know, to, to hold them down or put them down and point fingers at them

01:57:26.020 and just vilify them tremendously.

01:57:28.060 So have you noticed since Donald Trump's election and, and, and not to, to, to single

01:57:32.660 you out, but these guys, I feel like they've, they've all, they've got a, a, a goal in mind.

01:57:37.500 I believe that they're probably, and to some level involved in political activism.

01:57:41.120 I'm all about it.

01:57:41.980 Yeah.

01:57:42.220 That's right.

01:57:42.620 Um, but have you noticed in, in, in Hollywood and LA, do you feel like there's a shift in

01:57:49.140 attitude?

01:57:49.540 Do you think that, would you feel comfortable trying to get into the, you know, get back

01:57:54.180 into acting or have you had any other offers or anything like that?

01:57:57.120 What, what's, what's life like for you in LA now that Donald Trump has been elected and

01:58:01.520 there has been such a backlash against like Gavin Newsom's policies and stuff.

01:58:05.040 Are you seeing that kind of attitude shift in LA?

01:58:08.680 Well, um, you know, when the, uh, when the day of the pardons, um, you know, I didn't,

01:58:15.360 uh, know for sure if that was really going to happen.

01:58:17.740 Uh, but, uh, on that day I hadn't been watching TV cause someone got stabbed in my house too.

01:58:22.620 And, uh, um, then, uh, we got to see the TV and, uh, it turned, uh, it turned this whole

01:58:29.160 thing into, um, uh, a real farce in a sense, because the amount of effort and, um, negativity

01:58:38.980 that has been born of this entire event is, uh, so outweighs, uh, anybody who I've ever

01:58:46.300 spoken to about what they've, what they went there for.

01:58:48.820 I mean, it's just, uh, it's, it's led to an education of the public about what our government

01:58:55.880 can do and how they can hurt people and how they can try to get their way and, and force

01:59:01.280 a narrative.

01:59:03.100 And it's, uh, it's pretty scary and it's eyeopening, but, you know, I realized also that, um, as

01:59:10.160 elated as I was from the pardon, um, I realized that there's no clear way out of it.

01:59:16.560 There's certainly no, um, on off switch where people are now like, oh, hey, I'm back to being

01:59:21.660 your friend again.

01:59:22.320 Or, uh, yeah, come on in audition for this screwball comedy or something.

01:59:26.860 Um, that's not going to happen.

01:59:28.400 And, uh, although I have my, um, hopes that I'll be able to work again, um, you know, absolutely

01:59:36.320 nobody in my, in my life or family or anybody that I know, uh, really has supported that.

01:59:42.640 Um, well, I may be one person, uh, Norm Holly is, is a guy from Chicago is a dear friend of

01:59:48.520 mine.

01:59:49.340 Um, he, uh, actually, I was pretty surprised.

01:59:53.800 He was like, oh yeah, you know, you get going again and do the, do this project, you know,

01:59:57.820 come up with something to do.

01:59:58.980 I'm like, who the hell are you talking about?

02:00:00.700 I mean, that's nobody thinks that, you know?

02:00:03.400 So, um, it's, it's, I think it is possible now more, more than I did before.

02:00:09.300 But, uh, I thought actors now coming out of the closet and saying, yeah, you know, actually

02:00:12.880 I support Trump closet.

02:00:14.300 I don't know, but, uh, uh, uh, political closet.

02:00:17.520 Yes.

02:00:17.740 Right.

02:00:18.020 Uh, there probably are.

02:00:19.900 I mean, the, the pendulum is swinging back, I think.

02:00:22.620 Um, but you're not getting back what you had.

02:00:24.300 None of us are getting our lives back.

02:00:25.600 That's all.

02:00:26.220 I mean, it's going to be better.

02:00:27.620 I was going to say, but you most of all, like you're coming from LA and having the crew

02:00:31.520 you did like that's, I mean, uh, I, I've lost a lot, but I've been in this since before

02:00:36.760 January 6th, you know what I mean?

02:00:38.760 And I can't live a normal life.

02:00:40.440 Like even getting here, trying to get me an Uber, the producers like, yeah, let me use your, like,

02:00:43.780 nope, banned from that.

02:00:44.760 I'm banned from everything in your phone.

02:00:45.960 You're still banned from all the apps and stuff.

02:00:47.720 Everything.

02:00:48.280 You too.

02:00:48.680 Like, it's not going to come back.

02:00:50.480 And, but it's more than that.

02:00:51.680 I'm not.

02:00:52.580 Why?

02:00:52.980 Yeah.

02:00:53.540 You left.

02:00:53.980 I'm surprised.

02:00:54.660 I've been good, man.

02:00:55.420 Too good.

02:00:55.760 Your, your experience in LA, like I said, I can, I can, you know, relate to it because

02:00:59.400 even though like I wasn't at January 6th because I was, you know, I was making light of

02:01:04.800 it the day of on, on the internet.

02:01:06.060 And there were people that are, you know, Hollywood types that were, you know, sending

02:01:11.020 me accusatory tweets, like, do you condone this blah, blah, blah.

02:01:14.500 And it's like, bro, I'm in New Hampshire, right?

02:01:17.060 Like I wasn't at, you know, at the, at the, the, the, the party in the, in the Capitol.

02:01:22.740 I was, I was like, I'm making jokes and making light of it because I don't think that it's

02:01:27.160 particularly serious because again, my sense was there was never a question about whether

02:01:32.940 or not, you know, Joe Biden was going to be confirmed.

02:01:35.920 Yeah.

02:01:36.080 I think that's a, um, um, a sentiment shared by a lot of people.

02:01:40.100 Yeah.

02:01:40.360 And, and so, you know, be like, I'm not there.

02:01:42.980 I think it's silly because again, this is something that we all talked about, but you

02:01:46.800 know, as, as someone that wasn't there and as so sort of an outsider, I had looked at

02:01:51.100 it like, look, man, for the past year, there have been riots on the left, burning entire

02:01:56.300 cities down, burning, you know, you look at what happened in, uh, um, the town that Kyle

02:02:01.860 Rittenhouse was in.

02:02:02.740 I forget.

02:02:03.200 Oh, Kenosha.

02:02:04.740 Kenosha had all kinds of tons of buildings burnt down.

02:02:07.620 There were buildings.

02:02:08.080 Why Kenosha?

02:02:09.140 What was the, well, because there was, I mean, it's not because there was a person that was

02:02:13.020 shot by the police that day.

02:02:14.360 Oh, he was.

02:02:15.380 And, and turns out he had a knife.

02:02:17.260 He was trying to abduct children in that were in the back of the car.

02:02:21.120 And so they, the police shot him.

02:02:23.240 He survived.

02:02:24.340 Kamala Harris goes and takes pictures with the guy.

02:02:27.860 He had sexually assaulted the woman that he was trying to steal the car from with the 0.98

02:02:31.760 kids in the back. 0.94

02:02:32.560 The police shot him.

02:02:33.520 And so Kenosha had to burn because of this.

02:02:35.300 So from, it was my sense that, you know, what had happened at, at January 6th was actually

02:02:41.120 not a big deal.

02:02:42.000 It's like, okay, so there's a riot, you know, and that, you know, fighting with the cops is

02:02:45.360 bad, but compared to what the rest of the country had gone through for the previous

02:02:49.860 year, well, and when you, we actually think about it, multiple years, it was like, so

02:02:54.880 what?

02:02:55.400 You know, I was like, you know, the, they, they did the thing that they were supposed to

02:02:59.220 do on the same day.

02:03:00.420 They had to, they had to delay it a few hours because there was a riot outside, but nobody,

02:03:05.000 no one in Congress was hurt.

02:03:07.340 The only person that was seriously injured or died was Ashley Babbitt and Rosalind Boylan

02:03:12.600 and then two others that we don't really know.

02:03:15.100 Two men that were, they were hit with projectiles and had heart attacks.

02:03:18.480 Heart attacks.

02:03:19.060 Okay.

02:03:19.620 So the, the, the actual injuries were all on the side of the rioters.

02:03:25.300 No cops died.

02:03:25.920 And the media lied to everybody and said that the, that, that people died, that police died.

02:03:30.320 Yeah.

02:03:30.520 How long did that continue?

02:03:32.460 It's still going on.

02:03:33.340 Still.

02:03:33.620 Still.

02:03:34.300 Yeah.

02:03:34.620 Like a lot this week.

02:03:35.820 Still.

02:03:36.320 Well, the president was, was talking about sickness.

02:03:39.300 Uh, no, well not, not the current president, but Joe Biden was talking about, uh, you know,

02:03:42.980 officer sickness maybe a few months ago talking about how terrible it was. 0.99

02:03:46.760 And it's like, look, man, it sucks.

02:03:48.080 The guy died, but he didn't die because of related causes, you know, and the Democrats 0.96

02:03:52.300 continue to talk about the, the police that were affected by January 6th because they, there

02:03:57.520 were suicides and, and things that happened that were completely and totally unrelated days

02:04:03.260 and weeks after, but they wanted to assign as much, you know, as much gravity to January

02:04:08.100 6th as possible.

02:04:08.840 So in January 6th, there's committed suicide too.

02:04:10.800 Yeah.

02:04:11.100 Yeah.

02:04:11.580 Because the government was overcharging them, putting terrorist enhancements on people's 0.71

02:04:16.180 fricking plenials. 0.89

02:04:17.420 Right.

02:04:17.600 People don't know what that does.

02:04:18.500 That makes you do twice your time because you don't get first step back and such, but,

02:04:21.140 but that's the nugget I want people to take away from this.

02:04:23.800 Look, think what you will about, uh, us or anybody else that was there.

02:04:28.000 Maybe you don't love all of it.

02:04:29.340 Maybe you do love all of it.

02:04:30.220 I've, I've met those types too.

02:04:31.200 The difference is when left-wing rioters show up, they get their fundraiser posted by Kamala

02:04:38.160 Harris.

02:04:39.520 When right-wing rioters enter the news, I get banned from five banks and get sentenced

02:04:45.520 to four years in prison.

02:04:46.740 That's whatever you think of riots.

02:04:48.920 We're, we're looking at outcomes right now.

02:04:50.900 And also shut me down.

02:04:52.280 Big America.

02:04:53.100 Really?

02:04:53.500 Not that I had a lot to shut down, but what the left has come to understand is that essentially

02:04:59.200 becoming social pariah or being socially ostracized might as well be a death sentence because

02:05:03.840 what they've done is they've destroyed your identity within the social system in which

02:05:07.580 you live.

02:05:08.100 Been disappeared.

02:05:09.480 Yeah.

02:05:09.680 Well, this is the same thing.

02:05:10.720 It's, it's, it's the same thing, but a modern version of, of being sent to gulag in the

02:05:16.240 Yes.

02:05:16.660 Or the Salem witch trials.

02:05:18.420 Yeah.

02:05:18.640 You know, the, the point is less hallucinating.

02:05:21.060 The point of it is even if they're, if they're not actually killing people, what they're

02:05:26.820 doing is they're removing you from society.

02:05:29.020 You're, you can't be seen in polite society.

02:05:31.060 You can't function in polite society.

02:05:32.300 You can't earn money.

02:05:33.100 You can't support yourself.

02:05:33.500 It's like in China. 0.96

02:05:34.080 That's why I keep bringing that up.

02:05:35.440 Thanks for having us on.

02:05:36.260 Yeah.

02:05:36.860 Yeah.

02:05:37.660 Yeah.

02:05:38.400 Um, it was amazing, amazing organization, uh, Patriot Freedom Project that's helped out

02:05:43.620 so many, uh, J sixers with, uh, the fallout from this and, uh, the fact that their 1.00

02:05:48.760 lives have been destroyed and, uh, Cynthia Hughes over there is just incredible. 0.98

02:05:52.840 She's, uh, done so much for families of J six and, uh, helped a lot of people.

02:05:58.720 Thank you for the ones that sent us some commissary.

02:06:00.720 Like y'all fed me.

02:06:02.220 Amen.

02:06:02.620 Prison.

02:06:02.980 I got little sausages because of you and it made a huge difference.

02:06:05.660 Yeah.

02:06:05.980 You helped my life.

02:06:07.360 So you'd mentioned bank of America and has everyone here been debanked?

02:06:11.460 Yes.

02:06:11.800 I've been debanked a lot.

02:06:12.620 You have not.

02:06:13.200 I've got, I, well, kind of, I did.

02:06:15.180 I went to one place and they said no.

02:06:17.120 And I don't know why they didn't give me a good reason.

02:06:19.880 Sure.

02:06:20.000 Then I went to this other credit union that's really small and like local and they were willing

02:06:24.780 to give me something.

02:06:25.700 Okay.

02:06:25.800 I was, I was debanked in 2020 before the election.

02:06:28.240 Oh, wow.

02:06:28.740 Bank of America dropped me.

02:06:29.620 Yeah.

02:06:29.940 Right.

02:06:30.740 But then after, after I was arrested, I went to a small bank in Texas for a new account.

02:06:34.800 Once I was arrested, they also dumped me too.

02:06:36.740 And they had sworn up and down that they would never do that, but they did it.

02:06:39.260 Do you currently have an issue getting, getting, uh,

02:06:41.040 I just got a new bank account the other day.

02:06:42.740 Okay.

02:06:43.120 I won't, I won't see with who.

02:06:44.780 Yeah.

02:06:45.020 Don't, don't.

02:06:45.660 Um, well bank, because bank of America has denied that they've done this stuff, but to

02:06:49.280 be honest, they absolutely are.

02:06:52.540 They, uh, the, the statement released, it says bank of America serves more than 70 million

02:06:57.480 clients and we welcome conservatives.

02:06:59.780 We would never close accounts for political reasons.

02:07:01.680 I don't have a political litmus test.

02:07:03.280 Now this also we lie.

02:07:04.780 Yeah.

02:07:04.980 This is, and this was released on January 23rd.

02:07:07.880 It's more than debanking.

02:07:08.860 Because Donald Trump had made a, uh, a remark, but it goes beyond just the political, this

02:07:13.680 kind of stuff.

02:07:14.380 They were debanking, um, FFLs because they were in the gun business and they were doing

02:07:19.860 this 10 years ago.

02:07:20.960 Yes.

02:07:21.400 That was actually it.

02:07:22.660 So I forget the niche operation.

02:07:24.640 They were giving your credit card and if you bought bullets in the last five years,

02:07:27.740 that's crazy. 0.99

02:07:28.660 And they're, you know, so, and they were also doing it to, um, you know, prostitutes, sex 0.96

02:07:33.300 workers, they were doing, they were debanking them because of, uh, you know, issues with 0.76

02:07:37.580 that.

02:07:37.760 But I understand you can make an argument about prostitutes because that's illegal, but

02:07:42.920 when it comes to, you know, federal fire, FFLs, gun sellers, that's protected by the constitution.

02:07:48.600 It's a culture war.

02:07:49.180 And so it, again, it is, like you said, it is about a culture war because they wanted to,

02:07:53.500 they want to do whatever they can to, to disincentivize firearms ownership would, especially considering

02:08:01.740 the guns that they most go after are long guns, rifles, the, the scary black guns, which

02:08:06.960 are just semi-automatic rifles.

02:08:08.580 But those, and those guns are almost never used in crimes.

02:08:11.740 They're only, they're used in.

02:08:13.280 Well, they're not as convenient.

02:08:14.560 They're not.

02:08:14.900 No, I mean.

02:08:15.520 Criminals love convenience.

02:08:16.520 Yeah.

02:08:16.760 I mean, if you're dealing with a rifle, you know, there's something around on average,

02:08:21.000 like 300 murders or, or crimes committed with a rifle per year.

02:08:24.780 And there's around 10,000 or so, uh, murders committed with a handgun per year.

02:08:30.380 And then how many with knives?

02:08:31.580 Yeah.

02:08:31.740 Oh yeah.

02:08:31.960 I mean, it's off the charts.

02:08:33.480 But I, I, I am, I am very apprehensive about making that comment.

02:08:37.880 When you look at what's going on in England right now, they're, you cannot buy kitchen

02:08:41.860 knives unless you're an adult and you can't buy them over Amazon.

02:08:45.040 They've already registered all the knives in China.

02:08:47.300 Yeah.

02:08:47.740 Yeah.

02:08:47.860 Are you aware of that?

02:08:48.460 Yeah.

02:08:48.680 And they also have them like chained to the counter.

02:08:51.160 I'll tell you from being in prison, it's, it's hard to register all the knives.

02:08:54.460 Yeah.

02:08:55.580 You're not going to get rid of all the drugs either.

02:08:57.740 I was, I was kind of a mind blower, but I knew what was going to happen, but you're

02:09:00.860 getting high like crazy in prison.

02:09:02.440 Oh yeah.

02:09:02.920 The war on drugs is an absolute failure.

02:09:04.040 Well, you know, if anything, I would like to say this, prison proves that government controlling

02:09:10.140 people's lives only makes things worse because the thing is, is government takes care

02:09:14.380 of your healthcare.

02:09:15.100 They take care of your, your lodging.

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02:09:20.240 So then by that rationale, everybody that comes out of prison should have a recidivism rate

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02:09:27.920 I mean, the argument that, that, you know, prison is intended to rehabilitate, I think

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02:10:51.720 It's a joke.

02:10:52.800 It's pretty, it's proven false pretty, pretty, pretty solidly.

02:10:56.620 Really, the point is to get the people in society that are violent and get them and

02:11:01.420 repeat offenders and that will continue to commit crimes, get them off the streets and

02:11:04.760 out of the public.

02:11:05.160 It's to fill bed space.

02:11:06.300 I know plenty of guys were like, like ghost guns, ghost drugs, back to the conspiracy.

02:11:10.180 When they say ghost guns or ghost drugs, meaning that there was no actual evidence.

02:11:14.300 A lot of guys fell into possession.

02:11:15.540 Half the guys in Cumberland were fell into possession of a firearm.

02:11:18.740 And usually it was a snitch that said, I saw that guy with a gun.

02:11:22.560 No requirement of an actual gun in his possession.

02:11:25.160 Bam, he's in prison for five or seven years.

02:11:27.220 That's about filling bed space. 0.99

02:11:28.900 It's the prison industrial complex making money off of you. 0.70

02:11:31.560 Yep.

02:11:32.120 Not about public safety.

02:11:33.160 But I will say though, when I was in prison, I didn't meet one person that was innocent.

02:11:38.940 I did.

02:11:39.280 They were all, well, I'm just saying like, like everybody that I talked to was guilty

02:11:43.600 of something, whether or not they were guilty of what the government charged them with is

02:11:48.420 another story.

02:11:49.000 What you're talking about, ghost guns, ghost drugs, so messed up.

02:11:51.500 That's why the conspiracy charged.

02:11:52.580 We just got to do something different.

02:11:53.740 But I, everybody I met was guilty of something.

02:11:56.960 Are you saying that they, I saw something, I saw something, guys.

02:11:59.040 I have an old man, a good buddy of mine.

02:12:00.740 I'm sorry, Jake, go ahead.

02:12:01.500 No, no, I'm just, yeah, go ahead.

02:12:02.820 So, old 76-year-old man, he was a felon.

02:12:05.680 He protected two little kids against a home invader that wanted to take the kids with a

02:12:10.100 shotgun in his hand.

02:12:11.280 The old man, Kenny, disarmed him with a shotgun, killed the guy with his own shotgun, took the

02:12:15.500 kids to his nephew's house.

02:12:16.960 But because, after the fact, the cop said, oh, well, the judge said, oh, he should have

02:12:20.420 gone to the nearest business to dispose of the shotgun.

02:12:22.920 He didn't do it the way I think he should have done it, therefore, fell in possession, even

02:12:26.340 though he was defending two children from being murdered.

02:12:29.100 And so, he's in prison for seven years for that.

02:12:31.240 That's terrible.

02:12:31.780 So, of course, he's innocent.

02:12:33.060 All right.

02:12:33.400 Well, we've been going for a couple hours here, so we're going to wrap it up.

02:12:36.120 Why don't we go ahead and go around the room with some final thoughts?

02:12:38.260 Why don't you, Stuart, why don't you start?

02:12:40.100 I mean, this is all, it was a deflection and cover for their coup.

02:12:44.760 It was like a Reichstag fire, manipulated event.

02:12:47.300 They took a legitimate protest and made it into something it really wasn't.

02:12:50.720 It was mostly a peaceful protest.

02:12:52.920 Vast majority of the folks, like Jacob, were just wandering around inside taking selfies.

02:12:56.880 But they turned that into something bigger than it really was as a way to deflect it for

02:13:01.000 their own coup.

02:13:01.800 They stole the election.

02:13:02.720 It was illegal, unconstitutional, and fraudulent.

02:13:07.300 To cover for that is what they used J6 for.

02:13:09.960 That's all it's been for.

02:13:10.720 And a suppression campaign, all the things we've been talking about.

02:13:13.320 So, I think that's starting to come out now.

02:13:15.320 What I want to see now is prosecutions for the prosecutors who suborn perjury.

02:13:19.500 If you want to clean out the DOJ, this will be a long-term effect for everybody else, too.

02:13:23.620 This whole system is based on coerced testimony and coerced confessions and all of that.

02:13:29.320 It's all suborn perjury.

02:13:30.780 I want to see that cleaned up.

02:13:31.900 Best way to start, I believe, is that the new DOJ should be turning and looking at all

02:13:35.960 the prosecutions in J6.

02:13:37.840 And I want to help with that.

02:13:38.740 is identify the crimes they committed, whether they no only intentionally tempered with evidence

02:13:43.560 or suborn perjury, and start cleaning house.

02:13:47.100 Where can people find you?

02:13:48.280 Pardon?

02:13:48.800 Where can people find you?

02:13:49.920 I'm just getting back on social media, hopefully on X real soon.

02:13:52.580 I have a sub stack.

02:13:53.420 They can go look up for sub stack for me.

02:13:55.120 And then I have a Gibson Go, too.

02:13:56.440 Okay.

02:13:56.700 If you want to help me out, help me start my life.

02:13:58.740 Yeah, that one is gibsongo.com.

02:14:01.620 G-A, so Golf Alpha, Foxtrot 5B, G-A-F-5-B.

02:14:08.360 So get back on my feet.

02:14:09.140 Is that your nickname, or what is that?

02:14:10.540 What's that?

02:14:11.160 G-A-F-5-B. 1.00

02:14:12.360 Rolls off the tongue.

02:14:14.060 That's what they do to you over there.

02:14:15.920 Oh, is that right?

02:14:16.680 Yeah, yeah.

02:14:17.420 Jay.

02:14:17.900 Well, what he said.

02:14:20.800 Perfect.

02:14:21.420 Perfect.

02:14:21.660 And basically, don't do bad things. 0.99

02:14:25.100 And don't get caught up in shit like this, because it sucks very badly. 0.99

02:14:30.020 And I don't think you were going around taking selfies. 1.00

02:14:34.160 I think that's misnomer.

02:14:35.960 I don't think that happened.

02:14:37.140 I didn't see you with the phone.

02:14:38.480 No, I did.

02:14:39.260 Yeah, but when I was flexing and that image went viral, I was taking a picture.

02:14:43.280 Oh, I'm saying correct it.

02:14:45.540 I wasn't.

02:14:46.220 Someone said I was, but I was just getting other people.

02:14:49.760 I knew I was there.

02:14:51.340 But hopefully things will change for the J6ers, because it's a real bad thing that the government 1.00

02:14:58.940 has done, and it's terrible.

02:15:01.740 It's a natural embarrassment, in my opinion, but.

02:15:03.400 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:15:05.380 It's pretty fucked up. 0.99

02:15:07.900 Not good, that's what I mean. 0.99

02:15:09.720 So, yeah.

02:15:11.500 And I guess I'm on Twitter again.

02:15:13.640 I just, I mean, X, excuse me.

02:15:15.140 I'm a little out of date.

02:15:16.080 Sure, sure.

02:15:16.160 So, that's just at Jay Johnston, and I have a Gibson Go as well.

02:15:21.960 That's Jay Johnston, whatever the Gibson Go thing is, I don't know, but.

02:15:26.420 Google will know.

02:15:27.280 Yeah.

02:15:27.540 Okay, good.

02:15:28.260 And Patriot Freedom Project, wonderful, wonderful organization.

02:15:32.480 So, please look at them and help out J6ers. 1.00

02:15:36.260 Okay.

02:15:36.500 I hope.

02:15:37.240 Jacob?

02:15:37.420 Um, January 6th was a deep state setup that was turned into a deep state psyop.

02:15:44.320 It was intended to destroy Donald Trump's reputation, as well as push the notion of insurrection

02:15:49.800 so that he could be taken off the ballot, based on the 14th Amendment.

02:15:53.560 And, um, also so his supporters could be villainized, demonized, and targeted.

02:15:59.920 Um, if we look and we establish what the deep state is and how it operates, what we're seeing

02:16:07.240 here, you guys, is a massive push to try to take over the world.

02:16:11.880 And we, the American people, stop that from happening.

02:16:16.860 The American experiment worked. 0.73

02:16:19.480 Um, and we are, our republic is rising from the ashes like a phoenix, an American phoenix.

02:16:27.540 It's beautiful.

02:16:28.500 It's wonderful.

02:16:29.120 And this is the most exciting time we could have picked to be alive.

02:16:31.860 This is the golden age.

02:16:32.980 This is the American renaissance.

02:16:34.380 And I really look forward to seeing all these agencies get Twitter filed.

02:16:39.680 Absolutely.

02:16:40.280 Because that's what it's going to take to save the republic.

02:16:42.920 That's right.

02:16:43.480 Where can people find you?

02:16:44.500 Oh, um, they can find me on X, uh, at America Shaman.

02:16:48.640 That's America Shaman on X or Twitter.

02:16:50.560 You can also go to my website, ForbiddenTruthAcademy.com.

02:16:52.960 That's ForbiddenTruth, T-R-U-T-H, Academy.com.

02:16:55.360 Um, you can also go to, uh, ShamanMeme.com where you can get, uh, the Shaman Meme coin.

02:17:01.700 Uh, we are helping children that are victims of sexual abuse and trauma to heal through art,

02:17:07.980 as well as establishing the, uh, founding principles of our nation in the cryptocurrency space.

02:17:14.620 Awesome.

02:17:15.060 Nick?

02:17:15.820 Hey, yeah.

02:17:16.600 Uh, thank you for having us on.

02:17:17.920 I think America is sort of, uh, moving on from January 6th as chapter's closing.

02:17:21.920 So thank you for letting us, uh, put our stuff out there, uh, before we become last week's news.

02:17:27.420 I really appreciate that.

02:17:28.760 And just to remember that contrast, that's what I want the people to do.

02:17:31.900 But, um, there's, there's rioters that are part of the system who are tolerated and indulged.

02:17:37.560 And then there's us.

02:17:39.020 And I understand my real sin was making congressmen cry and they'll continue to punish me for that.

02:17:43.520 I'm good with it, but, uh, it does take a lot to put our lives back together.

02:17:46.940 Look me up at, uh, on Twitter as, uh, at mixed underscore yolks.

02:17:53.480 And, uh, you can find me on telegram at the Oaks report.

02:17:56.680 And if you do, uh, uh, toss me a little something on the, uh, Gibson go, which is a Christian website

02:18:01.720 and the only people that don't absolutely de-platform, uh, uh, right-wing dissidents, uh,

02:18:07.240 they're wonderful folks, uh, please do that.

02:18:09.120 And I would also ask, uh, my co-defendant who, uh, never snitched on me and is a great man.

02:18:13.400 Does not receive the publicity I did.

02:18:14.960 His name is Nick DiCarlo.

02:18:16.080 He also has a Gibson go and, uh, help him out before you help me out, frankly.

02:18:20.420 Cheers, man.

02:18:21.060 Awesome.

02:18:21.600 Awesome.

02:18:22.060 Uh, so, uh, I am Phil that remains.

02:18:24.740 I've got one thing to show.

02:18:25.700 We, uh, all that remains, my band just dropped a record today.

02:18:28.100 It's called the anti-fragile.

02:18:29.300 You can pick it up on Spotify or Apple music.

02:18:31.320 Uh, we will see you here tonight for Timcast IRL at 8 PM.

02:18:36.480 Thanks for watching.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - January 31, 2025

Getting Pardoned For January 6th, What Really Happened w⧸ Jay Johnston, Stewart Rhodes, Jacob Chansley, & Nick Ochs

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