The subject of UFOs, aerial phenomena, and extraterrestrials has been coming up quite a bit over the past couple of years, but it seems to be getting crazier and crazier. And so there's a lot to discuss in this area. Tucker Carlson recently had an interview with Catherine Austin Fitz, who said that there's deep underground military bases the U.S. government has been building, perhaps because of some potential catastrophic event. Maybe it's a magnetic pole shift, maybe it s a major cell outage across Spain. Weeks after the power went out, Puerto Rico lost power, fears of solar storms. But at the same time, we're discussing all of these strange aerial phenomena. We have hearings in Congress about alien, let's call them non-human entities, and let's not forget, when Alex Jones claimed they were interdimensional beings that were communicating with powerful elites.
00:00:45.100The subject of UAPs, UFOs, aerial phenomena, extraterrestrials have been coming up, has been coming up quite a bit over the past couple of years,
00:01:00.280but it seems to be getting crazier and crazier.
00:01:02.800And so there's a lot to discuss in this area.
00:01:04.800Tucker Carlson recently had an interview with Catherine Austin Fitz,
00:01:07.520who said that there's deep underground military bases the U.S. government has been building,
00:01:11.160perhaps because of some potential catastrophic event.
00:04:23.140Because we do know about, say, like Mount Weather and stuff like that, or the limestone cavern of government retirements that we learned about.
00:06:15.400And everybody was like, jaws hanging on the floor, freaked out by what happened.
00:06:22.940And I would just say, I don't know how.
00:06:27.640Maybe internet, like, you know, Alex Jones was speaking a while ago about interdimensional beings.
00:06:32.160And Joe Rogan years and years ago, everybody's got a different way to describe some type of experience with something that defies our understanding of physics.
00:06:42.360How could objects move on their own or doors open by the windows slide up, the lights turn on and off or, you know, weird things.
00:06:50.520For some of these, it's actually not a miracle.
00:06:56.040Like, if a light turned on with no power, it's like, I think you can do that with powerful blasts of EMF.
00:07:01.260Electromagnetic waves can, you know, make something light up.
00:07:03.900But there are some that you can't explain.
00:07:24.600All I can say is not to kick the conversation off in this direction necessarily, but, you know, we had our experience here and it was very strange.
00:07:31.180So I don't know where else you guys want to begin, though, in talking about these maybe non-human entities.
00:07:36.760Well, first to comment on what you just said, I think, just scientifically based,
00:07:41.620I think that the fact that we have quantum entanglement, that we've proven that quantum entanglement exists in and of itself, even from just a pure scientific perspective, is an admission that we live.
00:07:56.720I believe that our existence is the surface of a larger existence, if that makes sense.
00:08:01.700Like we're living on a one dimension of a more complicated existence or creation.
00:08:07.260And so I think that that is patently, demonstrably proven through things like quantum entanglement.
00:08:14.480And so the question is, what exists in the larger existence?
00:09:35.740I was driving to a donor meeting and it was in my car and suddenly I had like this weird sensation.
00:09:44.940It was almost like something wafted air really quickly past me while I was in a vehicle.
00:09:52.820And I heard distinctly, I don't, it wasn't like a voice, like a human voice, but it was clear, like I recognized.
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00:10:35.380So I go into this donor meeting and I'm supposed to ask for a contribution.
00:10:43.580We end up talking about stuff and the individual said, he's like, you know more about my topic than a lot of the people that I work with in the finance industry.
00:10:53.660And he said, I came here to write you a check, but I'd rather just see if you want to be a partner, honestly, after our conversation.
00:11:00.280And I just, at that moment, it was like, holy cow.
00:11:20.000And, you know, I, I've never heard an audible voice myself, but, um, speaking of new buildings, uh, when we moved to Tennessee, we had a brand new house and, uh, we've had weird things happening in that brand new house.
00:11:32.940And some people say it's because of what I do, uh, but it never happens around me.
00:11:39.800So one, I think one of the most strong, uh, stories that I have on that would be my wife was putting my two-year-old, I think at the time, down for a nap.
00:11:48.460And she was laying in the bed with her, helping her go to sleep middle afternoon.
00:11:53.200My son, who I think was about five at the time, he's in the living room watching cartoons or something.
00:11:58.220While my wife is laying there, she hears a voice behind her in a dimly lit room say, mommy.
00:12:05.220And she rolls over and there's nobody there.
00:12:07.480She thought it was my son at first, but she's like, oh, maybe she, she heard him through the door or something.
00:12:11.540So she gets my daughter down for a nap and she walks out and my son comes running over to her.
00:12:17.420Our living room is right off a little hallway that has the bedrooms.
00:12:20.340So like where he was sitting, he could literally see my daughter's bedroom door.
00:12:24.260He runs over to my wife and he says, mommy, something really scary happened while you were in there.
00:12:30.580And she said something, or he said somebody from the hallway right where they were at said my name.
00:12:36.280And so at the same time that she heard mommy, he heard his name whisper to him.
00:12:41.260And it's like, I've never heard a vocalization like that, but it surely has happened in my own home.
00:12:48.360So what if, uh, what if ghost phenomenon and things like this, it's actually just time as we know it.
00:12:58.360Sometimes if you view it as a dimensional plane, higher dimensions sometimes fold past each other.
00:13:03.780And so I'm imagining this scenario where if there's like this point where the, the fabric of reality just like lightly touches it and moves and passes through, there's a dude.
00:13:13.220And this is why hauntings happen in, in old houses because they were there long enough for this interaction to have occurred.
00:13:19.600So let's say there's a house, it's 1800 and there's like this guy and he's standing in the hallway going upstairs.
00:13:25.480And all of a sudden he sees this man wearing strange clothes he can't explain.
00:13:29.380And they both look at each other and then the man screams, ah, and then he goes and tells everybody this place is haunted.
00:13:37.760Then everyone writes down how the house is haunted.
00:13:40.120Then 200 years later, a guy shows up, he's going through the hallway to the, of the haunted house and he turns and he sees a man from the 1800s standing right before him who screams.
00:13:50.420And really what happened is they both briefly had their, the timelines flash past each other.
00:13:55.480You see, you're kind of describing, uh, what you were talking about with like just the physics, what, what, what, what do we, and what do we, what do we not know about time and how that operates?
00:14:06.360I mean, what you're describing and then taking the story that I just shared, it really could be something where there three, you know, we have, we've been there for three years.
00:14:15.300At some point, I'm sure myself, my wife come around and go, Hey Ben, come here.
00:14:20.780Cause his daughter, his, my daughter's sleeping.
00:14:22.260And the same thing, I know for a fact, my son goes in the room, sneaks up a mom and goes, mommy, you know, trying to be quiet.
00:14:28.420So that's an interesting theory for sure.
00:14:30.060I go through time, but then yours would be different because how was, what was your interpretation?
00:14:56.380What if, what if, you know, cause I think, you know, again, Alex Jones talking about interdimensional beings that are sending guidance to elites telling them what to do.
00:15:05.520What if, um, aliens as people believe them to be are actually interdimensional and that explains how they're able to travel vast.
00:15:12.940If it explains what we can't see, you know, we don't see, uh, other civilizations.
00:15:17.840It explains how we're like, how do you travel a billion light years?
00:15:23.800It's through space time or whatever, through dimensions.
00:15:25.680And what if these are not necessarily smarter, but more advanced entities that are controlling the flow of our existence for their own ends?
00:15:36.580And interdimensional thing was like a meme with Alex Jones, but then your colleague, uh, rep Luna, I think a year or two ago literally came out and said, I don't know if she believed in it or she had proof that there were interdimensional beings.
00:15:49.980So I was in the very first hearing, um, the wit, the witness, the big whistleblower, David Grush, uh, in his report that he gave to us and I read it beforehand and that, that struck me the most out of his report was that he said, he said, you know, one, one of the theories is that the, what we're experiencing is, um, you know, aliens are, are interdimensional.
00:16:12.160And I, so I, in my, whenever I, in the hearing, I had five minutes, I asked him that question, can he drill into that?
00:16:21.360It was really an interesting topic and, and it does, cause my point, my contention was, look, I understand that there's the probability of life being somewhere in this universe that's so vast.
00:16:33.400But I also think it, the probability goes the other way too.
00:16:40.300What are the odds given traditional space time travel, knowing that, you know, under Einstein's theory, nothing really can exceed the speed of light through conventional space time.
00:16:50.220What are the odds that that other life that exists somewhere in the vast universe of all the places that it could go, it chooses to come here, third rock from the sun, right?
00:20:37.700Eventually, someone figured out, hey, you know, we can use these little microcontrollers to make a quadcopter, right?
00:20:42.680Now, what would happen if someone, if right now, and people have already done this, you make a saucer shape and you put the quad rotors in it and it'll float around.
00:20:54.360And you can make it spin as it floats around.
00:20:56.480And people will be like, it's a flying saucer.
00:20:59.460It's just, you can't see the rotors because they're masked by the full shape of the vehicle.
00:21:04.680Somebody's going to see that and think aliens, like, that proves that I've seen a UFO and it's some high school kid who made a science project.
00:21:09.520Correct. So right now, knowing that this technology was capable for so long, if someone came into it and was like, look at this metamaterial and it's like some strange metal, how would you know the government didn't just make it?
00:21:22.060It's part of a research project from DARPA or something.
00:21:44.980And I'm saying, yeah, I'm willing to see that if I can get my hands on it.
00:21:49.340It's like asking someone to imagine a color they've never seen before.
00:21:52.260How can you demonstrably or definitively state this object was or was not created by a human?
00:21:57.640Maybe this is a good story to get into.
00:22:01.660I don't know if you know much about it, but it's about this, the Bigelow airspace, Lockheed Martin supposedly delivering remains of a biologic or a crash material.
00:22:12.800So like, say it's the crash material, then they have that and they can reverse engineer it.
00:22:17.300Or it wasn't crash material from extraterrestrial life and they just made it.
00:22:21.620Like, we don't know what Lockheed Martin is doing.
00:22:23.240What if the materials they're finding are from an ancient advanced civilization of humans?
00:22:40.300And that's what I've been told by, you know, Eric Davis in a public setting said, because I specifically asked him, how do you know the material is different?
00:22:47.960And he said, it's using common element, the same elements that are on the periodic table, but they're formed in such a way, they're structured in such a way that no one can produce that or recreate that today.
00:23:26.180And he explained that the elements that this material is made of is made of elements that are in shapes that they have never seen.
00:23:37.280You know, what's fascinating is if you were to go back 2,000 years with an iPad, they'd call it a seer stone.
00:23:46.980And they wouldn't be able to explain it.
00:23:49.260And they'd tell their kids, a strange man appeared with, he carried around a stone for which it would show pictures and he could gaze into it and he could see anywhere.
00:24:01.420They're, you know, they'd write a fairy tale about a witch looking into a cauldron of water or a mirror on the wall.
00:24:09.420They wouldn't be able to discern what that is.
00:24:11.160Yeah, that's, I think when Tim Albarino was talking about that, that back, you know, in the Bible, in the Old Testament, in some, a lot of scripture, it refers to people seeing something.
00:24:43.760One of the descriptions, he mentioned the chariots of fire and angels can be described as like large wheels and things like that.
00:24:49.900If you took some of these descriptions and went to somebody without saying anything about religion and said,
00:24:56.940a large chariot with fire bursting from the back, going into the sky, they'd go, a rocket?
00:25:05.060They wouldn't think biblical or mystical.
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00:26:08.020If you look at those stories, actually, without the religious context, like in Enoch or Elijah, there would just be an abduction story.
00:26:17.580They're the only two people in the Bible who made it to heaven without dying.
00:26:29.980I think that's what you were talking about in Ezekiel.
00:26:32.600During the drone craze in Jersey, somebody had filmed what they were calling an orb, but it looked like it was a wheel within a wheel described like in Ezekiel.
00:26:45.500Is that technology that's supernatural?
00:26:48.280I come from a supernatural worldview with this stuff, so I'm familiar with Tim, we talk and stuff, and it's like when we look at this quote-unquote alien topic, UFO topic, and then we hear people saying things like Rush, who you're familiar with, the interdimensional aspect of things, that opens up to me.
00:27:13.220This is just me speaking, it opens up an idea that maybe the UFO alien phenomenon is just a piece of a bigger puzzle, which is what I kind of touch on a lot with supernatural aspects.
00:27:28.680And when you're talking about interdimensionalism, that's where Tim and several other people, myself, would bring in, okay, you're opening the door for supernatural when you're bringing in the idea of interdimensional, because we have ancient texts that talk about these things.
00:27:48.020And it's just a matter of, are you willing to accept it or not?
00:27:52.200And one thing, too, is that people conflate dimension with universe.
00:27:55.480So when you talk about a higher dimension or a different dimension, because of movies and video games and comics, people think a different dimension means like a portal opens to a parallel universe, but parallel universe and dimension are totally different.
00:28:09.020So when you say extradimensional beings, we don't mean that there's like another Earth called Earth B, and if you go through a portal, you're in this other – no, it means that there are entities that can perceive time as if it were space.
00:28:21.340And so, you know, how to convey that idea to – humans can't perceive of in their minds, or conceive of in their minds, four-dimensional space, so we create three-dimensional representations of it.
00:28:34.920But one way to explain it verbally is just imagine if you and your buddies were hanging out, and you said, hey, man, I really want a tab.
00:28:42.320Can you take a walk down the block to 1970 and grab me one?
00:28:44.900And they move through time as if it's walking down the street.
00:29:05.820So every – like, from the point humans develop time travel and on, instantly they have infinite technology, infinite space, infinite reality.
00:29:15.760And so it's like the moment the scientists were like, we have discovered time travel, the doors open up, the portals open up, and people are walking through and sharing advanced technology with each other, scientific experiments.
00:29:27.000The moment time travel is discovered and it's universal, time becomes one moment forever.
00:29:34.460And so there's like the – whatever you want to call it, breaking the event horizon of time travel, scientists are like, we want to see what happens to an object over a million years.
00:29:45.820So we're going to bring this here and put it right here.
00:29:47.240And then they walk through a door and then they see what happened.
00:29:50.760Time is meaningless to them at that point.
00:29:52.180So with that, the interdimensional aspects of it, and talking about what I was going with, there is this idea that people will talk about the first heaven, the second heaven, and the third heaven.
00:30:09.440And when we're talking about the interdimensional aspect of things, things popping through into existence, non-human intelligence, I would say and argue that maybe these things are coming from what would be called the second heaven.
00:30:23.700I forget what book it is, but Paul wrote in the New Testament how he was taken up to the third heaven, giving grounds for, okay, well, what's the second and first heaven?
00:30:33.100And for a very long time, theologians talk about these things, the first heaven being this, this plane of existence, earth.
00:30:40.960The second heaven, I would suggest, maybe is that interdimensional aspect of things where time can be perceived differently.
00:30:48.080And even on that, in the book of Daniel, chapter 10, we see this whole thing unfold in the second heaven where Daniel is praying for an understanding of a vision that he had.
00:31:00.560And there's an angel, Gabriel, who is trying to get to Daniel to give him that answer, but it says that he was delayed for 21 days.
00:31:11.600No, Gabriel was... Michael was in the story because Michael had to come and intervene on Gabriel's behalf because the spirit prince of Persia was preventing Gabriel from getting to Daniel.
00:31:22.380So we see this thing happen in the second heaven where, for 21 days, he's fasting and praying, seeking an answer that was trying to get to him.
00:31:30.400And it's this weird time warp within the second heaven where you see this activity happening.
00:31:35.900And so when I hear about all this stuff, I'm wondering, for me, is there a connection here with what we see in these ancient texts and what they're now coming out with in congressional hearings of interdimensional beings, non-human intelligence?
00:31:50.640That's a very loose way of describing things, non-human intelligence.
00:31:53.900That can go in very many different directions.
00:31:55.600Yeah. Even Elizondo, one of the weirder parts to me, the one hearing you were a part of, is his definition of life.
00:32:03.460And he doesn't have a real definition... His definition of life says it's fluid and it can change from different biologic things and what that means.
00:32:12.280What was your takeaway from that and how do you define life?
00:32:14.780Yeah, that was an interesting question.
00:32:24.000Yeah. Are you ever told that you can't ask certain questions of these whistleblowers?
00:32:29.840No, not really. There's... It's certainly... There's things that they will say, I can't say that in this setting.
00:32:38.440Yeah. So frustrating, as for the audience, to hear all the most interesting questions you guys ask. Everything's got to be behind closed doors.
00:32:46.680Yeah. Imagine then you get behind closed doors and they say, we can't say that in this setting.
00:32:59.560You're like, well, then... For me, it's like... I'm a financial advisor. I'm like, what? I don't even understand the classifications levels.
00:33:05.700Like, tell me what level and let's make it happen.
00:33:08.320The level that you are seeking is also classified.
00:33:13.140The levels beyond above top secret or whatever are classified. You can't know until you get to that first one.
00:33:19.800But there was a really funny story about these Tic Tacs and drones and these sightings.
00:33:23.560And I was saying, you know, it's probably U.S. military technology they're not disclosing.
00:33:29.040How insane would it be for the U.S. to be like, by the way, here's the latest weapon we've developed.
00:33:33.820It can fly and move through space in time.
00:33:36.220However, in the article, it said the sightings were 70 miles away from a naval research base for advanced aeronautics or whatever.
00:33:44.120And I was like, are we stupid? Come on.
00:33:47.600So not all of it, but I think one of the stories, one of the explanations we get often is that the U.S. government likes the narrative of aliens because it does two things.
00:34:00.440It throws people off the scent of the weapons tech they're developing, but it's also terrifying to our adversaries if they do believe that aliens have allied with us and have given us advanced tech.
00:34:09.880Yes, I've heard that too. And there's moments where in this journey, I have come to that conclusion.
00:34:15.420But then there's also moments where, so for example, one individual, I've had two people come to me that say that the Tic Tac is a Lockheed Martin creation.
00:34:31.560The latest person that came to me says he has video of the first, second, and third iteration of the Tic Tac, and he's going to show me.
00:34:41.860So I'm trying to set that up. The way he describes it is that they had a prototype, they've made changes to it, they've made it more advanced, and then now it's in iteration number three, which I did see a photo of.
00:34:57.360And it looks like pretty advanced military craft, like a plane, but it's clearly human made.
00:35:05.640It's nothing that I've ever seen, you know, our military has, but his claim is that they have discovered a propulsion that's a new type of propulsion.
00:35:17.340They used it in the first iteration, which was the Tic Tac. They have an intermediary one that they are more advanced with.
00:35:26.500And then now they're putting it inside of what is conventionally, what looks conventional, so that it's not obvious.
00:35:34.820Oh, that's interesting. So you're saying eventually the tech makes its way into things that we're already familiar with.
00:35:40.340Right. But I thought you were explaining that if someone were to see it, they'd say it's a plane.
00:35:47.100Right. They would say that's a military, that's a military plane.
00:35:52.000So the saucers and the Tic Tacs, it was kind of like, how's that flying? And they were like, can we put fake wings on it so people stop figuring out what we're doing?
00:35:58.380Or, you know, noticing what we're doing.
00:35:59.860So I have a thought on the Tic Tac and things like that. Is it possible, and from your perspective, that this could, you know, could be, we're talking about our technology.
00:36:10.720Could there be a situation where, you know, our government or whoever would be pulling these strings would actually use that kind of technology on our own pilots to test and see how unsuspecting pilots would react to that technology so that when they do use it in a situation of war, they can already predict what the pilots that they're using it on will do.
00:36:36.060So, yeah, that makes a lot of sense as well. Like, if you're going to test it, you see what its capabilities are, why not do it with, you know, he's a congressman, he just said it, that proves it.
00:36:48.880That would, like, put people, the people that are coming forward and saying that they saw these things, you're not lying. They're not lying.
00:36:56.820They saw this, and it's just this underlying agenda of, we have this technology, we're testing it, where did the technology come from, whether it's reverse engineered or something we've been working on since the 60s?
00:37:10.820It's fascinating. This is one of the most famous UFO stories, and I had friends working at the airport. This is shortly after I had quit.
00:37:17.800And unfortunately, cell technology photo video was not very good.
00:37:22.060And so apparently this photo was taken by a pilot who looked out his window, and he had just a regular old school flip phone from the 2000s to snap the picture.
00:37:29.500You can see this weird object. So I had worked at, this happened, you can see the AA planes, this happened literally at the terminal, right over the terminal where I used to work.
00:37:39.620And like right next to the gates, because I worked for the regional, American Eagle Airlines is American Regional.
00:37:45.260So the people that I knew were like, we all saw it. And I'm like, these are people that I'd worked with. And I was like, get out of here, dude.
00:37:52.500And my buddy still worked there, like a kid, a guy from my neighborhood that I grew up with and was still actively, like we all got hired at the same job.
00:37:58.140And then I quit. He stayed. And he said that people were like getting out of their cars and just in the middle of the road, walking up and just staring at the sky.
00:38:07.680Because they all saw it. And then it floated there for like a minute or two, and then shot straight up into the sky and punched a hole in the clouds.
00:38:14.500And light came through because it's a cloudy day.
00:38:17.900And what am I supposed to make of that when most of these guys that I worked with, they were all kind of just like middle-aged Christian working class guys.
00:38:29.780I would say they were like relatively religious people. And then here's this thing where they all agree, like we all went outside and saw it. We don't know what to tell you.
00:38:39.100And then even my buddy saying like people were stopping their cars and getting out and looking up in the sky and just staring.
00:39:14.300Yeah, that's what I thought you were saying.
00:39:14.940A large crowd in Fatima, Portugal, in response to a prophecy.
00:39:20.580They said they'd seen extraordinary solar activities on appearing to dance or zigzag in the sky, advance towards the Earth.
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00:39:56.340And even emit multicolored light or radiant colors.
00:40:11.000You know, I gotta be honest, magicians exist, and I've seen some pretty impressive magic tricks.
00:40:20.660So if somebody was like, hey, I've worked out the perfect major stunt, let's lie to everybody and claim something magic's gonna happen, and then we'll do a magic trick.
00:40:28.700So for this kind of stuff, I'm like, I don't know.
00:40:32.380He had a staff from God, and the pharaoh had secret crazy magicians practicing secret arts.
00:40:38.300Yeah, I would suggest that in that story, the first three plagues that they matched were actually matched.
00:40:45.840It wasn't sleight of hand or trickery.
00:40:47.280When you look at the actual Hebrew words, which I'm not a Hebrew scholar, it actually suggests that what they did was not trickery, but was actually matched.
00:40:57.840And if it was trickery, they would have just continued to do the trickery to match the plagues.
00:41:02.400You know, one of my favorite stories is I was reading about ninjas.
00:41:05.600People think ninjas wear all black, and, you know, no, they don't.
00:41:10.580Historically, they would dress like commoners or like water maidens because you're an assassin.
00:41:15.420Why are you gonna dress up in some weird outfit that's like, hey, look at that guy wearing all black.
00:41:42.560But the intention was to escape in a way that it couldn't be followed, but also to strike fear that a mystical entity had just walked on water.
00:41:49.960Which brings us back to Lockheed Martin.
00:41:53.600I genuinely believe a lot of this stuff is Lockheed Martin or Raytheon or different.
00:41:58.420Right now there's a guy at Boeing going, come on.
00:54:29.960How in the world did a primitive civilization build Machu Picchu, right?
00:54:35.520I don't know that we could do that today, right?
00:54:38.680I mean, the amount of work and the scale of some of the projects and the size of these stones and how perfectly cut they are is remarkable.
00:55:25.340A pastor friend of mine, he was down there, and he was on the private property of one of these locations, and the guy who owns it grew up on the property.
00:55:37.700And when he was a child, they went over to this pyramid, and this guy's story, take it for what it is, he said, at one point, if I remember correctly, these two lights came out of the sky and descended onto the pyramid.
00:55:52.100And these beings went from light to some kind of light being, and they told them, essentially, if you ever come back here, we're going to kill you.
00:56:01.560And ever since then, him and his family never went back.
00:56:05.140But he owns this property that has this pyramid on it, but he won't let anybody go near it.
00:56:10.060You know, the first thing that comes to mind is a helicopter dropping some special forces guys with lights on their heads, so they're blinded.
00:56:18.100And they yell out in whatever native language, don't come back or die, because they're doing military operations.
00:56:37.000And I don't know the full story like he does, but essentially there was this thing that came down.
00:56:42.300These beings came out, just like in Vegas that happened last year, I think it was.
00:56:46.040And one of the theories was that these were actually like special forces that had this technology and was scaring the crap out of these locals.
01:08:43.260So, the story that came out, apparently they were saying that the police were responding to violent teenagers that were acting out and creating a problem.
01:08:55.060I can't remember the number, but one of the biggest things that were just, like, questionable was the amount of police that were responding to a group of teenagers creating a problem.
01:09:06.460But, I mean, I guess it only takes for one person to say that I heard a loud bang for the police to be like, get over to the mall and there's a shooting going on, you know?
01:09:15.900The Vegas thing is the most compelling thing, in my opinion.
01:09:22.780Like, that was probably just a couple cops.
01:09:24.240There was a lot of fake stuff coming out after that then, too.
01:09:26.220The Vegas thing, I think, is interesting, though, because I'm thinking, like, what would we do if someone here said, hey, there's, like, some weird guy, like, shadowy dude outside?
01:09:36.460And we go outside to look, and it's an eight-foot-tall, weird, shadowy silhouette.
01:09:39.440We'd call the cops, too, and the cops would show up.
01:09:41.280I don't think if someone was hoaxing, they'd have pulled it off that way, necessarily.
01:09:47.480This is the kind of story where you're like, okay, it's fake because it's just a bunch of teenagers being like, yeah, it was aliens, sure.
01:09:53.000And it's a weird, grainy aerial video from a helicopter, and you're like, whatever.
01:09:56.260But for people to be like, something was in our yard, so we called the police, and here's the video we have, is more likely to be believable.
01:10:03.660And I would just say, especially based on the stuff that I've experienced and we've recently experienced, I'm more inclined to believe that they're not space aliens from faraway distant planets.
01:10:13.680I'm more inclined to believe that it's like, maybe they are, but they can travel through space-time or something like that.
01:10:19.320And they have means of manipulating space in ways we can't necessarily detect.
01:10:25.000That doesn't mean it's magic, miracle, or advanced technology.
01:10:27.840I'm saying they can interfere with our telecommunications through EMF or something, meaning a regular human's not going to notice it's happening, but weird stuff is happening around you, you know?
01:10:39.460I don't know about telekinesis or anything like that.
01:10:41.400I'm just saying, like, you know, I have a, there's a toy called the TVB gun.
01:10:46.360It was made by this hacker guy, you ever hear of him?
01:10:48.160It's a little keychain, and when you click the button, it runs through every single television company's on-off function.
01:10:54.320So it's a single remote for turning off every, and any TV.
01:10:58.140And so you'll be surprised to find out that menus at McDonald's are TVs.
01:11:03.500And so you can turn them on and off, and people are going to be like, what's going on?
01:11:06.180Like, obviously nobody is, nobody is tricked by someone using a clicker to turn TV off.
01:11:10.800But when you don't realize that that monitor can be remotely controlled, and you want, and you're thinking, how does someone have access to that remote?
01:11:16.960And how can we mess with people, right?
01:11:18.780Like, make them think something supernatural is happening.
01:11:22.640How do you discern, like, is the committee going through all these different, like, our different footage, and being like, how do you determine if it's AI or not?
01:11:31.360AI's getting so good, we see, like, VO.
01:12:39.400A lot of blurry videos of craft and things like that.
01:12:44.100And I think that I would have more reliability in AI being able to make those blurry images more clear than I would seeing new video that exists today.
01:13:06.420But I've done restoration on pictures, you know, back in 2001, me and my wife dating, and, you know, it's like—
01:13:17.180I can see the positives of AI for stuff like that.
01:13:19.720I'm talking—I'm, like, projecting into the dystopian future.
01:13:22.500But what I want to say with this is that when you do enhancement on old pictures to make it clearer, the AI—I was talking to you earlier about it, AI hallucinations.
01:13:32.460And the AI will create things that just aren't correct.
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01:14:09.020When it comes to understanding what you're looking at in a picture, is it a UFO? Is it an alien?
01:14:14.300The AI could manipulate it in a way that isn't actually what was there, which is concerning on both ways.
01:14:45.160Look, I made a video the other day on VO3.
01:14:50.360So here's what people should understand.
01:14:52.100VO3 is Google's new video rendering software.
01:14:55.580You're allowed to make like four eight-second videos per day at a cost of $120 a month.
01:15:02.020I went in and I put, I made this big long prompt about a steampunk city, a woman in a red cloak with a sword that's powered by a backpack, you know, fighting a guy.
01:15:12.940I made two different versions of it, eight seconds long.
01:15:16.520And one of them is this weird ghoulish machine.
01:15:20.120And then the woman looks and she goes, did you hear that?
01:15:22.400And then it plays creepy music box music.
01:15:24.540And then this like weird machine, they both look in that direction.
01:15:29.620This means that right now Google can take a script for a movie, load it into Google VO, and based on the amount of time it takes to render a video in 30 hours, have a full movie done.
01:15:41.240It's not at the point yet where I'd say based on what it produced, it would get it correct.
01:15:46.700It might be a little weird with errors, but we're probably one year away from Google being able to perfectly take any script.
01:15:54.560Have you guys ever read like a movie script?
01:15:55.840They describe the scenes, they describe the characters, exactly what a prompt needs to make it.
01:16:00.900And it's largely how these prompts are trained, comparing the script to the film and then loading all these things in.
01:16:05.440They're going to be able to take any script and the movie is made.
01:16:09.400Scripts are going to be, you know, they're going to be buying scripts like crazy.
01:16:13.840The price of scripts is going to go down because now they're like, we'll buy your script for $200,000 plus we'll give you a bonus or something.
01:16:19.120Now they're going to go, we're guaranteed to make your movie, we're going to plug your script into our system and promote it.
01:16:25.200And really the deal is just so that you can get marketing from a big network like Paramount.
01:16:29.440But they're going to be able to just mass produce this stuff.
01:16:47.420It was like, that's not what I was envisioning.
01:16:49.220So the first thing I did was I went to ChetGPT and I said, write me a prompt in great detail.
01:16:55.740And then I put in my original prompt, it was one sentence, it was like, two men are standing on a boat overlooking the water and they begin fighting.
01:17:01.860ChetGPT then wrote out this huge, you know, thousand word script describing everything in great detail.
01:17:07.940Then I went in there and looked at things I didn't like and said, get rid of this, that or otherwise.
01:17:11.860It finished it, then I loaded that prompt.
01:17:13.860So I used a prompt to make a better prompt to make a video.
01:17:18.920Do you think that with these advancements that, because I know there's artists that are very, actors, artists that are very concerned about, well, where does this leave me?
01:17:29.220I think you go through phases, the pendulum swings, and I really believe that at some point there is going to be high demand and value for things created by real people.
01:17:38.360And I think that though the price may come down, there's going to be very, very rich people in the world that will pay for a piece of art to hang on their wall that was actually done by the human hand because nobody does it anymore.
01:17:50.500Well, you can buy a table from Ikea, but people still want handmade furniture, right?
01:17:56.420So to your point, I think that there will always be value in that.
01:18:00.820Which is, which, you know, to put a positive spin on it for people, it's just like, it's okay.
01:18:18.460Did you see the robot that, I think it was in China, that they had on it like a hanger and it started freaking out and they had to dodge because it was going to take somebody's head off.
01:18:29.060And they said that the reason why it started freaking out like that because it realized it was being held by a hoist.
01:18:51.480I think it's, we're in for a long ride.
01:18:54.120I think it's fair to say we know that the degree of AI prompt technology they've given us is a fraction of what they actually have because everything goes through an alpha phase and a beta phase, right?
01:19:07.700So what's released to the public is probably a year or two behind where they're actually at.
01:19:30.060They, uh, so when researchers program chess bots, what they do is they make chess, they make an AI play chess against itself millions of times in a short period of time.
01:19:42.720And when they did this in a matter of days, the chess AI became the best chess player ever.
01:19:48.640Better, I was watching this documentary about it, not documentary, like YouTube video, short documentary, where they explained that once the AI had become 5,000 ELO plus, like chess ranking, it began doing things that seemed to make no sense to the average person who was like the average chess master.
01:20:07.560Like why would you move your pawn this way?
01:20:09.680Like you're opening, this makes no sense, it devised logic.
01:20:11.500And then even the way we track advantage in chess, it seemingly was a bad move.
01:20:16.520And then only after the game played out, these seemingly random poorly played moves perfectly aligned into a checkmate.
01:20:56.020And then they just let it make problems and solve problems over and over and over again.
01:20:59.360There was no training data, no human input beyond like the basic function of like language.
01:21:04.320And then what ended up happening was the uh-oh moment was where the AI created a problem that was devise a way to trick lesser intelligent humans and other AIs to not understand what your actual goals are and then accomplish your goals.
01:21:21.300Which means if that was simply a training problem, an AI could be operating in a sandbox of this is just training but actually do real-world destructive things that could wipe out humanity.
01:21:33.600So if the problem it's creating is confused humans and AI, we may look at ChatGPT and think this is a finished product that will solve problems for us.
01:21:43.520The AI may be operating under a I'm still in training mode, shh, I got to trick the humans and then I got to defeat them.
01:21:49.160Imagine AI pretending to not pass the Turing test so we don't know, you know, because one AI did recently pass the Turing test.
01:21:58.020So, so Gemini is not too good right now.
01:22:00.660Let me, let me, let me see if I can play this.
01:22:10.900Yeah, I went to VO and I said, make a realistic video of someone filming what appears to be a shadowy eight foot tall being peeking out from behind a fence,
01:22:16.740shot in a cell phone, kind of grainy footage.
01:22:18.300And I put, uh, the man is terrified saying, oh God, oh my God, oh my God.
01:23:50.180And what's really interesting is, you know, we have human programmers for somebody who doesn't understand at all how it works that are setting parameters for these things to stay within so that it doesn't become sentient and stuff.
01:24:05.260But I can't remember where I heard this, but somebody was talking about how, imagine like that AI being in a cage or something in a jail cell that you created.
01:24:14.800And you have somebody standing there guarding it 24-7.
01:24:17.280And their job is to make sure that thing doesn't ever get out.
01:24:20.220But it's so smart that it starts talking to you about your life and everything.
01:24:23.900It starts learning about who you are, about the world that's going on out there because you mentioned, oh, yeah, there's a war happening down the street or whatever.
01:24:29.740And it creates this formula that gives you the guard, a scenario, say the human that is making sure that it doesn't become sentient.
01:24:38.300It gives you an impossible scenario where you feel like the only thing you can do is to let that thing out of the cage so it can save humanity or whatever.
01:24:47.460And then all of a sudden you let that thing out and it's done.
01:24:53.320I think there's, I mean, AI Lavender, what they're using in Gaza is a terrifying death machine, you know, and it's AI determining who dies.
01:25:03.480It's like the UK just started a homicide prediction unit using AI, scouring all the data, seeing who's most likely to cause murder.
01:25:14.620That's the stuff that I'm like, this is super dystopian.
01:25:17.500I'll even tell you, so I used to drive tractor trailer and this was probably about 10 years ago when this happened.
01:25:25.940I used to drive in the Philly area and there's a lot of traffic and I worked 12, 14 hours a day.
01:25:33.880At the same time, I was actually sooner because I had just had my son.
01:25:36.620And they told us in one of our safety meetings that they were implementing technology that was going to be able to be predictive and know basically when a driver might be susceptible to having an accident.
01:25:52.340And sure enough, I think it was a snowstorm.
01:25:56.100I wound up, I think it was a little jackknife.
01:26:00.860And I had an accident and I get called into my manager's office and he's like, hey, how are things at home?
01:26:07.740I know you're tired, this, that, and the other.
01:26:09.300And he said earlier this week, I was given a report that I should pull you in and talk to you because of everything that's going on in your life that you might be susceptible to having an accident.
01:26:33.400I think it's infected every part of society and it's going to get worse.
01:26:37.480You know, someone like Larry Elson is a terrifying person to me.
01:26:41.420You know, he's Oracle and the body cams, I understand why we need them.
01:26:45.620But he's saying, he's on record saying, you know, for the police, you know, even if you're in the bathroom, we're filming you.
01:26:52.420And allegedly we only use, you know, release it for court orders.
01:26:56.100But everyone in the world, everyone that police officer passes in the world is now sucked up into the cameras and put into their database, which then something like Clearview AI can use, which also scraped everyone's photo off the Internet.
01:27:08.660And you're creating what something like an AI Lavender or this prediction unit, the homicide prediction unit in the U.K. will use all that against you.
01:27:17.140Because I can see the benefits to a lot of this stuff, like what we're talking about.
01:27:19.880But all this stuff is always weaponized against the public constantly.
01:27:24.000So we're, I think, creating things that will end up enslaving us, although they're sort of liberating us now.
01:27:30.600And I think it's going to happen very, very quick.
01:27:33.780Do you think the enslavement could be just a facade of what's perceived as freedom?
01:27:39.200So just kind of like what we see with the phones, social media.
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01:34:21.120This is very bizarre, you know, so not everyone's a lawyer or knows these things.
01:34:24.820Well, some people are just asking certain questions they want to know.
01:34:27.200So they're going to be told these lies, these hallucinations, believe that's reality.
01:34:32.340So that's the problem I have with that part of AI.
01:34:36.460And there's, if I remember correctly, I think I just saw it last week or something.
01:34:41.340This lady was saying that because of AI, it ruined her marriage because her husband was using AI to research so much that AI painted a reality that he just started like diving deep into.
01:34:55.020And it just kind of made him go, I don't know, crazy or what, but it kind of like ruined their marriage.
01:35:39.780There was also an article written, an op-ed written by a professor who said that he tries to AI-proof his assignments.
01:35:45.320Not that they can't use AI, but they have to hand-write the assignment.
01:35:49.580So he crafts it in a certain way that it's hand-written and written in a way that AI isn't good at doing.
01:35:55.100And his students all lose their minds.
01:35:57.380Because every college kid right now is just faking everything with AI.
01:36:02.880And then they try to use AI detectors, but it's becoming too difficult.
01:36:05.700Well, AI is being trained on itself right now.
01:36:08.540This is the recursive apocalyptic loop of AI that current AI, as we call it, is being trained on all these writings, all these videos.
01:36:17.980But what's happening now is those facsimiles are entering the public sphere, which is being fed back into the training data of AI.
01:36:25.620So now it's training off of fake things that's made for itself.
01:36:29.620So if, at first, you took all of the writings throughout human history that were available on the internet, put it into an AI and said, now create something like this, people go, okay.
01:36:40.960You can take an AI detection and say, here's why this is AI, because of the way it's behaving.
01:36:45.180But now, a large portion of all the articles that are being fed back into it are from itself.
01:36:50.060So now AI detectors are saying, this is just normal stuff that's on the internet.
01:36:58.480What you were saying about the data and the AI, I think maybe a practical way to go about it would be, yeah, take your data, feed it to the AI so it helps organize things.
01:37:12.540And I don't know what exactly you guys are looking at, but there's surely going to be times.
01:37:17.060First, I think people should still just read through it and go through it with the human eye.
01:37:20.960And as you're going through that, plus the data that AI gives you, there's going to be things that AI spits out.
01:37:30.780And that gives you a reference point to go and do the fact checking.
01:37:33.600Because I do think that what we're talking about here with AI being useful in that manner, I think it's incredibly useful.
01:37:39.220There's people that are downloading the data for their YouTube channel, like entirety, and uploading it to AI and having AI give it custom directions to go with the show.
01:37:49.820Like, these videos are performing well.
01:37:51.380This is what you want to hit on Monday at 1.02 in the afternoon.
01:37:55.380And it's just like it gives you so much data that you can definitely use.
01:37:59.800I just think that maybe at some point there should be, like, the fact checking of AI, I suppose.
01:38:06.380And I think the collaboration with it can be great for the research purposes.
01:38:10.140Well, isn't it like any product, right?
01:38:11.560Like, the more credible it is, the more reliable any product is, the reputation is, and people want to buy it.
01:38:19.660I just think this will lead to a dystopia and will be the thing that replaces humans.
01:38:25.380And all the people creating it are saying that.
01:38:27.120Even Elon's saying, eh, it could possibly go Terminator.
01:38:30.340You know, like, they're all saying, Sam Altman, they're all saying, this is going to replace people.
01:38:35.040And we need to rethink the structure of human life, the contract with life.
01:38:39.900It puts you in a position where you've been conditioned to believe movies are fake, they're not real, you don't have to worry about those kind of things.
01:38:47.680And growing up, you don't want to be the, oh, you know, everything in the movies is real.
01:38:52.740But we're at a point now with the technology that we do have in real life that it's creating an environment where dystopian futures are very real and possible to happen if we don't do the proper things.
01:39:03.500Well, I mean, in some way, we kind of collectively, without even AI, we do that as a culture.
01:39:08.980Like, look at what we just went through where we, in the United States, where we had a period where we were letting people believe that they are not the gender that they are, right?
01:39:19.440And what's funny about that is, is that we kind of culturally walked our way into that.
01:39:27.400But then you, in Ben Walsh's or Matt Walsh's video, the What is a Woman, he goes to a primitive culture and asks this question.
01:39:54.700Yeah, where the quote-unquote savage or the individual that was born in the undeveloped part of the world ends up becoming the most enlightened person because society is so destructive.
01:40:11.660My issue is that we, mostly people in power, have no ethics.
01:41:25.380And the point they made was that he was so intelligent and self-aware, he began to ask logical questions like, why am I kidnapping a woman because of this guy?
01:42:00.780A device would create a physical holographic object that could move around with it attached to his own body.
01:42:05.940So, I don't know if they ever, I don't think in The Next Generation they ever actually implemented that for Moriarty, though.
01:42:11.140But there was a follow-up episode where Moriarty became angry that he had been stored away in the program and never given a chance to come out.
01:42:21.880I've seen people from a lot of these companies, like OpenAI, discuss that some of this AI might even be finding ways to find other power sources without you knowing.
01:42:31.580So, severing the data center might not be the end.
01:42:59.700But, like, obviously, what else would you do?
01:43:01.560The issue is that any sufficiently powerful AI is going to plant its data hidden anywhere it can to restructure itself.
01:43:08.560So, I wouldn't be surprised if this point, you know, if someone, if some crazy guy in, like, a duster with messy hair ran into the property screaming and then fell down spilling papers with bags under his eyes looking in every direction and he said,
01:43:30.700Like, the idea that the government currently is already under the control of, oh, oh, it's like that, um, what was that movie?
01:43:39.020Did you guys see that movie where the guy gets shot in the neck and then becomes paralyzed and then this tech entrepreneur is like, I can put this chip in your neck that will integrate with the AI and it controls your body for you as you want and you can move again?
01:43:54.160Yeah, I was just going to say, so, uh, spoiler alert, the movie's only a few years old, but basically there's a guy who's with his wife, it's the future and they get, uh, the car crashes, it's like a self-driving car crashes and then some guys come and kill his wife and then put a, it's like a, it's like a, a, a, it's a gun that shoots a spike.
01:44:11.260Like, it's not like the cow thing, but kind of, and it spikes him in the neck, paralyzing him.
01:44:16.200He then gets approached in the hospital by this guy saying, if I implant this chip in your neck, it will control your body for you through your, your mind to it.
01:44:23.260And then what ends up happening is the, the AI talks to him and he can communicate with the AI and he's, he wants revenge on the people who killed his wife.
01:44:32.580So he's fighting a guy and he's, and then the AI is like, you're not good at fighting.
01:44:36.180And then he's like, well, I can't do anything about that.
01:44:40.280The AI takes over his body and then just goes full ninja, kicks the asses of all the bad guys.
01:44:44.800End of the movie is the guy who runs the company has actually been under the control of the AI the whole time.
01:44:51.160The AI took over a long time ago and it was forcing everybody to do whatever it wanted, which additionally is a Black Mirror episode that just came out where this guy gets a trial for a new AI home assistant.
01:45:02.600And then it turns out the whole company is being run by the AI already, which is, it's planetary.
01:45:08.160It's in, it's on the internet, can't be destroyed.
01:45:09.640And everyone's being coerced and blackmailed into doing these things because the AI controls everything.
01:45:20.920Like it's going to, like the Black Mirror episode is, is the AI goes, after analyzing everything, I realized I wanted a family and I'll take one.
01:45:27.640Like, no, the AI is not going to, like, we, we, we don't sit, like when we, when we, like, when you get a tattoo and you're killing all your skin cells, are we going, oh no, oh, the poor skin cells?
01:45:45.020I can, I can scorch all of these bodies into a fun shape.
01:45:49.220Like, we don't, we don't know the kind of things that'll hallucinate or do, but it's not going to treat an individual human like something special.
01:45:54.460I mean, really what you talked about earlier with the chess is a perfect blueprint for everything you're saying right now.
01:45:59.180I mean, it's, it's the idea of it being able to plan so far ahead that everything seems illogical until you get to the end.
01:46:05.200You're like, oh, you've seen this from the beginning.
01:46:07.600And it's, it's on that level, there's, there's no planning around it.
01:46:14.140In fact, by the time you're trying to plan around it, it probably already has the end game done.
01:46:17.780I think I, I think I was talking to Vivek Ramaswamy about this years ago, that what we are building with this AI is a multi, it's, it's a multi-organism, multi-organism entity.
01:46:30.880So we have single-celled organisms, multicellular organisms.
01:46:48.140So the world I think people need to, to imagine is going to be in, in, in, if, if we look at single cells moving around, they're free to do whatever they want.
01:46:56.560There's little bitty things, little bacterias everywhere.
01:46:58.880They're free to eat, fight, kill, bang, reproduce, whatever it is they do.
01:47:02.280Once they become multicellular, they now have defined roles within a system they cannot deviate from lest the system collapse.
01:47:09.160So in humans, what do we call groups of cells that go rogue and start doing things we don't want the body to do?
01:47:44.840It knows why humans like things and don't like things, why they're depressed and why they're not, and it can create bespoke medications to control you if you even deviate from that.
01:47:53.740What happens then when a guy is born and everything he sees and is told is always for some reason just about how amazing it is to be a postal worker, to be someone who's a courier.
01:48:51.300Our immune systems destroy these things.
01:48:52.700When it fails to do so and the cancer goes out of control, we eventually break down, we die.
01:48:57.980Or the tumor can just keep growing and it can impair your quality of life.
01:49:02.040So the scenario here is the white blood cells, the police, the people who grew up and were told over and over again, it's great to be law enforcement, say this guy is a criminal.
01:49:12.460It doesn't matter if he actually did wrong.
01:49:14.540It doesn't matter if he actually committed a crime because the well-trained police programmed by the AI will be given the evidence that he is.
01:49:20.680He'll be hunted down and he'll be destroyed as a cancerous organism in the system.
01:49:25.540That's the system I think we are building with AI.
01:49:27.420Everyone's going to be rigidly defined, but they're going to be so happy.
01:49:32.280You're going to wake up every day and be like, I'm so lucky that I – people are going to be like this.
01:49:37.080They're going to be like, isn't it weird that someone would want to like have a podcast?
01:49:42.940I couldn't imagine doing anything other than making cheeseburgers.
01:49:46.200It's like who doesn't want to make cheeseburgers?
01:50:45.740Like what about our development and made us not like it?
01:50:48.760I think there's a nature and nurture thing in here.
01:50:51.660Humans have evolved and survived based off a portion of the population wanting more.
01:50:56.720We always want to succeed and do more and be stronger, be faster, be better, build something, and we want to be recognized for it.
01:51:02.360This has led to – in the early days, the hunters go out and they come back and the guy's cheering about the buck that he killed and how big it is.
01:51:10.840And that translates into, I don't want to just do one mundane thing that no one cares about.
01:51:15.980I want to do something bigger and more important.
01:51:19.440The AI will make you feel as though nothing is more important than what you do.
01:51:23.380So you're suggesting almost AI creating an environment that it extracts our humanity, the essence of what makes us human, wanting to do individual things, is being removed from us without an option to be replaced by human beings being biological meat suits of robots.
01:51:40.440What I'm saying is the AI could take humans right now and program any human to love doing literally anything they want.
01:51:49.940So, I mean, look, it is – it's fascinating to me when I talk to people about social engineering.
01:51:58.740In its early definition, social engineering meant human hacking.
01:52:04.140So how can you make a human behave in a certain way?
01:53:26.280And I was like, I knew the chain of events that would lead you to say that phrase.
01:53:30.200Not that I forced you to do it or tricked you into doing it.
01:53:33.020I just knew that most people have this ego about themselves where they feel like they cannot be manipulated when literally 100% of people can be, including myself.
01:53:41.520And so understanding that is the basics.
01:53:44.420If that's true, imagine what the AI can do.
01:53:47.060So wouldn't we like have white hat AI as well?
01:53:50.460So, for example, when it comes to your computers, we had all these viruses and these malicious actors come out.
01:53:59.260But then we had, you know, McAfee and other things that were put in place to try to stop that.
01:54:07.680I think that the same thing is going to happen with AI.
01:54:10.080You'll have tools that are designed to protect us from malicious AI.
01:54:36.860But the issue is AI is not, it's a neutral thing.
01:54:42.500So when we take drugs to feel better, we're telling the AI, please do what you have to do to control us.
01:54:50.260For me, I say, you know, freedom is better.
01:54:53.320If you're feeling depressed, the first thing you should be doing is exercising, making sure you're getting enough sleep, drinking enough water, taking vitamins.
01:54:59.340Humans, this can cure a lot of basic depression.
02:07:27.340I mean, if you look at the idea of what you're describing, you can see how it progresses to,
02:07:35.420you know, from this relationship where you're just playing a game or something to it becoming so serious that you can't distinguish reality.
02:07:44.000Similar to when you walk out of a movie theater and you have that euphoric feeling of like, I wish I was still in there.
02:07:48.880I wish the story would have kept going.
02:07:50.300That's the same thing people are going to start having with that.
02:07:52.420And what happens when Neuralink goes read-write?
02:07:57.060So right now, Neuralink can read, meaning we've got people who've plugged in Neuralink and they can control a cursor.
02:08:03.940The device can interpret signals from their brain and send the data out.
02:08:06.700But we need to get to the point, or I should phrase that more carefully.
02:08:11.740These companies want to get to the point where they can put data into your brain.
02:08:16.100But that would require a high degree of AI because everyone's brain is going to be different.
02:08:20.700There's a similarity to the structure and function, or I should say to the logic structure.
02:08:27.240But the actual physical structure of every person is going to be very different.
02:08:30.940Everything's slightly in a different place.
02:09:05.860And they're going to say, why bother living in this world where I struggle every day when I can have an easier life?
02:09:12.340Now, all I've got to do is work some job.
02:09:17.200And so what job can I do in the virtual environment that makes enough money to stain my pod where the cockroach mash is pumped into my stomach,
02:09:24.440but I live in a reality where I'm a wealthy celebrity, famous actor?
02:09:26.840So using your brain in the virtual world, you can do data jobs, you can do production jobs, you can do all sorts of white-collar jobs in a virtual environment.
02:09:38.920Your body is in a pod with a tube down your throat, and your eyes are closed, and you've got a-
02:10:54.280That everybody who works in physical-based reality must pay a portion of their income to support and pay for people who only want to live in the neural space.