The Culture War - Tim Pool - Has Feminism Destroyed The West？ Myron Gaines vs Kat Timpf w⧸ Alex Stein & Tim Pool

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00:01:28.480 We got an important question for everybody.

00:01:30.060 Has feminism destroyed the West?

00:01:32.080 Yes!

00:01:32.700 Oh, everybody's saying yes.

00:01:35.260 This is the question that must be answered today.

00:01:38.040 We have this amazing panel.

00:01:38.900 Why don't we start from the right?

00:01:39.900 Introduce yourself, good sir.

00:01:42.040 Me?

00:01:42.500 Yes.

00:01:42.860 Oh, Myron Gates.

00:01:43.860 I didn't know if someone else was coming, but yeah.

00:01:45.660 Myron Gates, chilling.

00:01:47.100 Who are you?

00:01:47.440 What do you do?

00:01:48.240 One half of the PressFit Podcast.

00:01:49.740 I also do my own show called The Debrief, where we make fun of women, Jews, and black people.

00:01:55.760 So it's great.

00:01:56.780 I told you.

00:01:57.420 Yeah.

00:01:58.640 I asked Kyla before the show started, how long until we heard the word Jews?

00:02:02.620 Right away.

00:02:03.160 30 seconds.

00:02:04.180 30 seconds.

00:02:05.760 And Myron and I will both be going to Israel to touch the wall after this podcast.

00:02:09.700 Well, they're going to kill me before I get there.

00:02:10.960 So thank you, guys.

00:02:11.960 I'm Primetime Alex Stein, Pimp on a Blimp, and I believe in amnesty for all big-booty Latinas.

00:02:16.060 Who agrees?

00:02:16.680 Yes.

00:02:17.440 I believe in amnesty for all big-booty Latinas.

00:02:19.660 Yeah.

00:02:20.320 We love them.

00:02:21.860 So you.

00:02:23.140 You.

00:02:23.660 Me.

00:02:24.040 Yeah.

00:02:24.420 Hi, guys.

00:02:25.040 My name is NotSoEaradates.

00:02:26.560 I'm the dirty liberal on the panel today, so you guys will love me.

00:02:29.980 Ooh.

00:02:30.360 I like that.

00:02:31.180 My name is Kat Timpf, and I am the co-host of Gottfeld.

00:02:38.280 Yes, I have a job, and I'm also a mother.

00:02:41.500 Yeah.

00:02:42.300 Yeah.

00:02:42.320 Yeah.

00:02:42.500 Oh, man.

00:02:44.840 So much.

00:02:45.120 Of course, I'm your host, Tim Poole, along with co-host Alex Stein.

00:02:48.900 Let's go.

00:02:49.340 Let's ask this question right off the bat.

00:02:52.280 It's a heavy question.

00:02:54.020 Has feminism destroyed the West?

00:02:56.320 I mean, one could argue, if they're holding the opinion, it is destroying, but really destroyed?

00:03:01.060 Past tense?

00:03:01.640 What do you think, Myron?

00:03:02.100 Well, it depends on in which way you want to go.

00:03:05.780 If you want to talk about destroying the family, the dating marketplace, the way women view

00:03:09.720 men in general, there's so many different problems that have come from feminism, and

00:03:14.300 it's a multi-pronged issue, depending on whichever section you want to go.

00:03:17.480 All right.

00:03:17.500 Name one.

00:03:18.740 I mean, we can start with dating, right?

00:03:19.820 So these bitches are too entitled, if I'm going to be honest.

00:03:23.400 You know, their expectations are far too high for what they bring to the table.

00:03:26.400 They're fairly delusional, thanks to, you know, social media, dating apps, et cetera,

00:03:30.420 where, you know, simps are blowing smoke up their ass all the time, and what's happened

00:03:33.920 is women have a very unrealistic standard on what they think they deserve versus what's

00:03:38.260 out there, and if they do find that guy, they think that that guy should kind of bend

00:03:41.580 to their women.

00:03:42.120 The reality is it doesn't work that way.

00:03:43.560 Wait.

00:03:43.800 Actually, I want to have, just one thing I want to give a little pushback, though, Myron,

00:03:47.060 and you do talk about this a lot.

00:03:48.140 We talk about the 304s, the hoes.

00:03:50.700 Yes.

00:03:51.680 So if these girls are being extra picky, kind of like you're saying, then why are they also

00:03:56.480 hoes at the same time?

00:03:57.960 Ah, good question.

00:03:58.540 You see what I'm saying?

00:03:59.340 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:59.520 Because a lot of them are hoes.

00:04:00.660 So when I say that they're hoes, what I mean is in they have promiscuous type behavior.

00:04:04.400 I mean, they're still, you know, having sex with a smaller portion of the men, but they're

00:04:08.560 still getting a high body count because there's a lot of these guys.

00:04:10.360 So what ends up happening is a lot of girls end up being Eskimo sisters with a lot of

00:04:13.840 other women because they're all smashing the same, you know, minority of men.

00:04:18.320 You know, and this gets, especially like in major cities, like in Miami, for example,

00:04:21.560 right?

00:04:22.200 Like the girls that are going out and doing things and whatever, they're hooking up with the

00:04:26.660 same small percentage of guys all the time.

00:04:28.820 And that's what I mean.

00:04:29.360 I've never thought about that.

00:04:30.020 Right?

00:04:30.320 I mean, obviously that's a hyper, you know, analyzed portion of it.

00:04:33.240 But in general, you know.

00:04:34.780 Well, as the women, do women have too high of expectations for men and are they hoes?

00:04:39.460 If they are, who cares?

00:04:43.540 I would say.

00:04:44.380 I would say no.

00:04:45.420 I would say I enjoy being a member of society.

00:04:50.500 I like being able to vote.

00:04:52.240 I like being able to have a bank account.

00:04:54.600 And it's so crazy that I'm also a mother at the same time with a husband who loves me

00:05:00.140 and is able to handle the fact that I'm my own person.

00:05:04.120 Well, I think that makes actually a good point though, Myron.

00:05:06.100 Like, is it that bad if a girl has a job and a college education?

00:05:09.340 Like, you know, a driven woman, let's say she's driven to do more than just be a mom.

00:05:12.900 Like, why is that demonized, I guess, in your opinion?

00:05:15.220 Well, look, I don't have a problem with women, you know, aspiring to go to school and everything

00:05:19.600 else like that.

00:05:20.020 My thing is I think we just need to be honest with them.

00:05:21.660 If you're going to go ahead and pursue a career and higher education, your chances of

00:05:26.200 finding a man are going to drop off precipitously because your standards go up as you increase

00:05:29.720 your income, your status, because women are hypergamous.

00:05:33.220 They're not like us.

00:05:33.960 When we get status and money, you know, our standards stay fairly the same or we just want

00:05:38.160 a hotter girl.

00:05:38.940 When women increase their status, they want a guy on their level financially, mentally, et

00:05:42.760 cetera.

00:05:43.080 So we just need to be honest with women is the more success you become, the likely to

00:05:46.880 be finding a guy to drop off.

00:05:48.640 That was not the case for me.

00:05:50.620 I'm actually more successful than you are, Myron.

00:05:54.480 Oh, wow.

00:05:55.780 Shots fired.

00:05:57.440 Well, to be fair.

00:05:58.800 And I have a baby.

00:05:59.720 Do you have a baby?

00:06:03.440 You know, it's funny to me.

00:06:05.140 I looked around.

00:06:05.940 I didn't see a stove.

00:06:06.740 So I don't know why this woman's here and not talking.

00:06:09.140 I thought we were.

00:06:10.340 I don't make dinner.

00:06:11.720 I make money.

00:06:12.360 This is not a kitchen.

00:06:14.020 This is not a kitchen somehow.

00:06:16.120 Some woman is talking.

00:06:17.200 I don't know.

00:06:17.520 This isn't a kitchen, but she's talking.

00:06:19.440 I got an important point for you, Myron.

00:06:21.020 Yeah.

00:06:21.400 All that matters in the end is in 20, 30 years, she's already got a genetic leg up with having

00:06:26.060 a kid.

00:06:26.860 If you don't have a kid, your line ends.

00:06:28.580 Where's your kid at?

00:06:29.420 Oh, well, I'll have one eventually.

00:06:30.680 I'm just going to try.

00:06:31.360 I'm trying to pick out my four wives first.

00:06:32.680 You know what I mean?

00:06:33.440 So I'm picking it up.

00:06:35.300 There's another woman here, though.

00:06:36.780 You know, I don't know.

00:06:37.540 Do you consider yourself conservative or liberal or?

00:06:39.540 I mean, I consider myself my own person.

00:06:42.680 I'm independent.

00:06:43.940 All right.

00:06:44.200 Well, the self about liberal.

00:06:46.660 What say you?

00:06:47.840 What say I?

00:06:49.560 I say, okay, the two questions, are women's standards increasing?

00:06:52.940 Yeah, I would say, by and large, women's standards are increasing as they get access to work and

00:06:56.480 education.

00:06:57.420 The issue is that they're not really staying single.

00:06:59.900 Most of the Pew Research shows that women are dating and dating successfully.

00:07:03.400 The real question that I think is actually at the heart of all this is, like, are people

00:07:06.580 happy?

00:07:07.060 Are people finding meaningful relationships?

00:07:09.440 And, like, in what ways is society, like, happening and harming them or benefiting them?

00:07:14.660 I think those are the important questions.

00:07:16.220 They're not having relationships.

00:07:17.860 Isn't loneliness up?

00:07:19.260 Isn't loneliness up, Tim?

00:07:20.600 Oh, dude.

00:07:21.020 Yeah, I mean, I think it's up.

00:07:21.600 Dating is down, loneliness is up.

00:07:23.120 There was that graph that went viral that, like, people are basically becoming needs,

00:07:27.640 men and women.

00:07:28.560 They're less conscientious.

00:07:29.820 They're more neurotic.

00:07:31.060 They're less agreeable.

00:07:32.280 They're isolating themselves.

00:07:34.260 I don't know if that's a product of feminism, but what I can say is right now the current

00:07:37.000 system is not conducive to happy relationships between either men and women.

00:07:40.200 I actually agree.

00:07:40.780 I think that, like, the way that our society has oriented itself, where it's an, like, obsession

00:07:44.400 over money and working and, like, the betrayal of, like, family and connection relationship

00:07:49.020 is harming everyone.

00:07:50.340 I don't think that this is a unique, like, woman problem or man problem.

00:07:53.760 When we're talking about, like, the loneliness epidemic, it's mostly a male-skewed issue,

00:07:58.060 right?

00:07:58.820 Like, men, in the Pew Research, men between the ages of, like, 18 to 25, 61% of them, I

00:08:04.540 think, hadn't even dated before, whereas I think it was only, like, 30% of young women.

00:08:08.240 Doesn't that prove Myron's point?

00:08:10.220 Sort of.

00:08:10.780 I mean...

00:08:11.100 These women are dating, but the men are not.

00:08:12.280 That means the women are dating all the same guys.

00:08:14.620 Well, no, they're not.

00:08:16.280 Like, most of these women are in monogamous relationships, right?

00:08:18.680 The issue is actually, the 20-year-olds are dating, like, men that are typically, like,

00:08:23.220 four to five years older than them.

00:08:24.640 That's actually more so what we're seeing.

00:08:25.900 So let's just break it down for my misunderstanding, then, because it sounds like I might be misunderstanding.

00:08:31.420 Most...

00:08:32.140 What was the number?

00:08:32.940 Most women have found relationships?

00:08:34.040 30% of women have dated between the ages of 18 and 25, whereas 61% of men have not dated.

00:08:40.240 Right, okay, so that's the same number, isn't it?

00:08:44.560 Sorry, I'm not understanding.

00:08:46.320 That means 30% of men have dated and 30% of women have dated.

00:08:48.760 No, 61% of men between the ages of 18 to 25 have not had a relationship.

00:08:53.200 So that means 30% of men have dated, then.

00:08:54.700 So that means 30% of men have had a relationship.

00:08:56.300 Sorry, did I mess up?

00:08:59.580 Did I misspeak?

00:09:00.800 You're saying both.

00:09:01.480 30% of women have not dated.

00:09:04.120 Have not dated.

00:09:04.900 Okay, have not dated.

00:09:05.480 Sorry, yeah.

00:09:06.220 Okay, so that...

00:09:07.300 So that...

00:09:07.700 So if it's two to one men not dating, but women are dating, then the women would have to be dating...

00:09:13.300 Well, between that age...

00:09:14.260 Well, no, no.

00:09:14.580 Right.

00:09:14.880 No, no, no.

00:09:15.220 That's the age bracket.

00:09:16.380 18 to 25 is one of the key things that's going on.

00:09:18.100 Right, right, right, okay, so...

00:09:18.920 But the point is...

00:09:19.220 So women are dating older men.

00:09:20.880 Oh, I see, I see, I see.

00:09:22.140 That's what's making up the gap.

00:09:23.020 I think Myron agrees with that, right?

00:09:24.640 Well, yeah, I mean, the reality is, you know, average women don't want average men.

00:09:28.920 They date up.

00:09:29.640 And now with, you know, the way we have society, hypergamy is not only reinforced, but it's

00:09:34.080 encouraged.

00:09:34.940 You know, women are told to not settle.

00:09:36.520 They're told to get the best man that they can get.

00:09:38.480 So a lot of girls think that they qualify for something a lot of times, which they actually

00:09:41.800 don't.

00:09:42.740 And sometimes that have to be the reality and let them know, like, look, you're average,

00:09:45.480 you got to be, you know, a little bit more realistic about where you stand.

00:09:48.180 This isn't really hypergamy, though.

00:09:48.840 But average women don't want average men.

00:09:50.220 This isn't really hypergamy, though, right?

00:09:51.480 Like, what are men typically selecting for in a relationship?

00:09:53.700 Youthfulness, beauty, right?

00:09:54.820 Some level of, like, making him feel good.

00:09:56.280 What are women selecting for?

00:09:57.300 Stability factors.

00:09:58.340 And so in this way, women are dating the pool of men that give them the stability factors

00:10:03.000 because it usually takes men a couple of years to get education and a career and, like,

00:10:06.120 something built underneath them.

00:10:07.280 And men are selecting for the things that they want, which is young men and beauty.

00:10:09.420 It's not just stability anymore, is what I'm trying to say.

00:10:11.300 It's not just stability.

00:10:12.240 It's also, is the guy handsome?

00:10:13.780 Is he tall?

00:10:14.200 Is he charming?

00:10:14.640 Is he charismatic?

00:10:15.600 Like, since women make their own money, they're able to be a bit more selective because they don't

00:10:19.920 just need the provisioning anymore.

00:10:21.160 They just, they want other things as well.

00:10:22.920 Is he handsome?

00:10:23.640 How does he look?

00:10:24.400 Et cetera.

00:10:24.760 So women do have a stake interest now in how a man looks and how he conveys himself as

00:10:28.720 well since they handle the provisioning part themselves.

00:10:31.040 So it's made women more selective, but that's kind of come at their dismay because now it's

00:10:34.640 harder to find that guy that has the total package with everything.

00:10:37.640 Sure.

00:10:38.180 The issue is that, like, the actual problem here is that we're leaving men behind.

00:10:41.880 The issue isn't that we're, like, raising women up.

00:10:43.740 It's that men are disproportionately being, like, undereducated in school.

00:10:47.800 Primary school is horrible for young boys.

00:10:49.640 We're not giving them social scripts on how to exist.

00:10:51.920 And we're still telling young men that their only value is the amount that they can contribute

00:10:56.100 to the GDP, when in the reality is that, like, what women are looking for is men that, like,

00:10:59.860 make them feel valuable, men that they can emotionally connect to.

00:11:02.680 And so, like, the real issue here isn't that we're raising women up.

00:11:06.140 It's that we're leaving men behind, which I'm actually very interested in.

00:11:08.920 Well, I want to make this one point, though.

00:11:09.980 You know, I think men are a victim of what their surroundings because, you know, the amount

00:11:16.200 of men that have microplastics in their testicles now, seriously, you know, now the amount of

00:11:20.460 estrogen in men.

00:11:21.100 You're getting some right now.

00:11:22.000 Exactly.

00:11:22.580 So I'm saying, don't we think men now have higher estrogen levels than ever in recorded

00:11:28.040 history?

00:11:28.380 So I feel like that is kind of why the men are, I guess, you know, coming in second

00:11:32.720 place if we talk about that.

00:11:33.580 Well, there's a multitude of problems.

00:11:34.780 It's a problem for everyone.

00:11:35.400 I'm only 36 and I've already had cancer.

00:11:37.980 Yeah.

00:11:38.140 Jeez.

00:11:38.740 Yeah.

00:11:39.120 This is a serious thing.

00:11:40.240 I know.

00:11:40.880 It's serious.

00:11:41.580 Yeah.

00:11:42.020 There's some environmental shit going on.

00:11:43.700 And who's in good shape, Kat?

00:11:45.000 Like, you've never been fat or gross?

00:11:46.560 No, not to brag, but I've never been fat.

00:11:49.260 Yeah.

00:11:49.960 I mean, that, but that does have, you know, like they say the fatter you are, the more likely

00:11:53.420 you are to get cancer.

00:11:54.120 So I'm just saying there's a lot of toxins in our water, in our food that are making

00:11:57.920 men, you know, less masculine and less aggressive.

00:12:00.680 I want to, maybe I'm just jumping the gun, but I was just thinking about, if we want to

00:12:04.880 go into dating stuff, I think maybe we'll come back to it.

00:12:06.880 But, and the question of feminism, the one thing that I really, really pisses me off,

00:12:12.460 women won the right to vote without civic responsibility.

00:12:15.940 And so.

00:12:16.520 They shouldn't be able to have the right to vote.

00:12:17.760 You can make the argument.

00:12:18.680 Repeal the 19.

00:12:19.660 I think it's fine to say women should have the right to vote.

00:12:22.660 However, we got to look at the context of the United States and that's women do not

00:12:26.180 have an obligation to die in war that men do, but women can vote overwhelmingly for Democrats

00:12:30.680 promoting these wars and then men are left on the hook for a war they tend not to vote

00:12:34.960 for.

00:12:35.620 That's fucked up.

00:12:37.140 So.

00:12:38.620 Sure.

00:12:39.140 The issue.

00:12:39.440 I'm glad we're on this topic.

00:12:40.380 Repeal the 19th.

00:12:41.160 I was going to say that earlier when she was yapping, but that's fine.

00:12:43.700 Yeah.

00:12:43.860 Repeal the 19th.

00:12:44.440 I think only landowners should vote.

00:12:46.960 Let's go back.

00:12:47.840 Let's go back to pre-Civil War.

00:12:50.280 Try to vote now, Myron.

00:12:52.660 Yeah, women shouldn't be able to vote.

00:12:56.900 I think we have two issues here, right?

00:12:58.080 Number one, the vote has never actually been tied to military service.

00:13:01.020 It's typically citizenship and age are usually kind of the two main things that we've always

00:13:05.820 used for voting.

00:13:07.220 I would be totally fine with us having an amendment where we add women to selective service.

00:13:11.340 I have no issue with that whatsoever, right?

00:13:13.300 And I think equal strokes.

00:13:14.340 The issue is that when it comes to voting, there are going to be topics that uniquely

00:13:18.120 affect men and uniquely affect women.

00:13:20.340 In this case, war does uniquely affect men right now, which might be unfair.

00:13:24.620 But in the case of something like abortion, abortion and birthright control and all these

00:13:28.180 sort of things, these disproportionately affect women, right?

00:13:30.860 And so when we're talking about like who gets the right to vote, is it because of like

00:13:33.580 certain topics uniquely affect one gender or another?

00:13:36.440 That's not how we've ever tied the right to vote.

00:13:38.680 It could be landowners.

00:13:39.720 It could be multiple things.

00:13:41.220 In America, though, we seem to both mostly decide age and citizenship.

00:13:46.140 But the problem I have is that Democrats have been substantially more likely to vote for

00:13:50.720 war, to promote war, particularly in Ukraine.

00:13:54.420 Republicans have been pressuring Trump not to be involved.

00:13:56.980 His base split over the Iran issue.

00:13:59.400 Millennial women are about 70% voting Democrat.

00:14:02.460 So you have this phenomenon in the millennial to Gen Z younger generation where women are

00:14:07.120 disproportionately voting for a war.

00:14:09.200 They have no responsibility, or I should say a limited responsibility in.

00:14:13.020 And it's crazy to me that half the population can vote on the other half to die.

00:14:16.540 And that's equality.

00:14:17.460 So I'm a millennial woman and I am married to a veteran and both of us are very anti-war.

00:14:25.260 He is anti-war as somebody who went over there.

00:14:28.240 I think that to pin the power of the military industrial complex, which is a very powerful,

00:14:34.660 powerful force on women being able to vote is wild.

00:14:39.080 But I also understand...

00:14:39.940 That's a mischaracterization of what I said.

00:14:41.540 Okay.

00:14:41.880 No, I was talking...

00:14:42.640 I think I was talking more about what Myron said than what you said.

00:14:47.020 I understand also that this is like Myron's whole thing.

00:14:51.220 But so you have to say like women can't vote and then you get attention.

00:14:55.620 And you also kind of act like you invented misogyny, which you didn't.

00:14:59.740 Like, it's been around for a very long time.

00:15:04.120 These are not hot takes.

00:15:05.680 These are like very old, archaic takes.

00:15:07.920 But he is in the top ten, right?

00:15:10.200 Well, because he goes really hard and he gets a lot of attention for it.

00:15:13.700 And then there are these men, sadly, who listen to you, who I think are lonely.

00:15:19.280 And I love men.

00:15:20.200 I'm not somebody who...

00:15:21.060 I'm not like a man-hating woman.

00:15:22.720 I love men.

00:15:24.160 And I think that a lot of men have been left behind in a lot of ways.

00:15:28.220 And I understand that.

00:15:29.700 But I don't think that blaming all of your problems...

00:15:31.700 If you do blame all your problems on women, then that could be the reason why you don't have one.

00:15:37.280 There's another group of people that Myron blames his problems on.

00:15:39.820 It's not women.

00:15:40.480 Well, I want to let Myron respond.

00:15:42.420 But I guess I want to pose this question.

00:15:44.260 What is the bigger threat, feminism or misogyny?

00:15:48.140 What's worse for society?

00:15:49.540 So when I say feminism, I feel like things like I have the right to vote.

00:15:53.980 I have a job.

00:15:55.640 I'm a participating member of society, which is different than hating men.

00:16:00.300 So it kind of depends how you divide them.

00:16:02.680 Well, do you hate women, Myron?

00:16:04.300 I'm not just more curious.

00:16:05.900 Sometimes.

00:16:07.680 Actually, most of it.

00:16:08.500 No, I'm just kidding.

00:16:10.240 Look, the reality is that when it comes to feminism, et cetera, women are stupid.

00:16:16.380 Let's be honest about this.

00:16:17.620 And the reason why, right?

00:16:19.040 It's not just...

00:16:19.600 And she said to herself, misogyny isn't something new.

00:16:21.440 So she's right, in ancient China, to the Middle East, to Eastern Europe, everybody knew that

00:16:26.320 women are stupid, so we need to make them second-class citizens.

00:16:28.700 So that's why they didn't have the right to vote and do a lot of stuff.

00:16:31.140 And then now...

00:16:31.600 What an eloquent argument.

00:16:32.960 I never could have come up with something that intelligent as a stupid woman.

00:16:37.040 I let her speak, and now she won't let me speak.

00:16:39.040 So it's interesting to me how she said, oh, yeah, this isn't something new.

00:16:41.840 Yeah, you're right.

00:16:42.400 Everyone from since ancient times knew that women are stupid, so we need to make them

00:16:45.240 second-class citizens.

00:16:46.740 Here's the craziest part.

00:16:47.660 They lived in other ends of the world, and they still realize the Asian dudes, ling-bing-ding,

00:16:52.900 all the way to the fucking Mohammeds in the Middle East, to the Eastern Europeans of Slav,

00:16:56.860 they all knew, damn, women are stupid.

00:16:58.700 We need to go ahead and put them in the kitchen.

00:17:00.040 Now they're out the kitchen, and what's going on?

00:17:01.880 Society is crumbling.

00:17:02.860 Which civilization of all the ones that you listed do you like the most?

00:17:06.620 Do you like modern America, or do you like Saudi Arabia, or do you like ancient Japan?

00:17:12.420 Which one do you like the most?

00:17:13.180 Well, look, I like any society that has women under control, and right now we don't, which

00:17:17.620 is why shit is fucked up.

00:17:18.720 So why don't you move to Saudi Arabia?

00:17:20.060 They don't have the right to vote.

00:17:21.040 They can barely drive.

00:17:22.060 It's a great place.

00:17:23.120 Do you want Sharia Laud?

00:17:24.300 No, no, Myron.

00:17:24.760 That's where they can drive now.

00:17:25.920 They can drive.

00:17:26.740 They can drive, and that's bad.

00:17:28.220 Wait, are you?

00:17:28.820 But be honest.

00:17:29.740 So you think that Saudi Arabia is a better country than America?

00:17:37.300 When it comes to handling women, yes.

00:17:39.600 Yes.

00:17:40.060 When it comes to handling women, yes.

00:17:40.600 Well, just overall, don't change the question.

00:17:42.420 And crime is less in Saudi Arabia, though.

00:17:44.400 Well, they have less crime.

00:17:45.280 You were talking about these global things, about how when women are oppressed, you know,

00:17:48.960 that's been the societal trend.

00:17:50.520 And so I asked you, modern America decided, along with a whole bunch of Western democracies,

00:17:54.360 and I think you like Western civilization, but that's a bad idea.

00:17:57.580 And so the question is, why is America so great if Saudi Arabia's got this one thing so well?

00:18:03.260 Like, shouldn't that be the great country?

00:18:04.760 Well, you could be better in different ways, right?

00:18:06.780 So Muslim theocracy's got it.

00:18:08.300 No, I didn't say that.

00:18:10.540 What I'm saying is, here's the problem, right?

00:18:13.160 When you have women having too much power, it creates a lot of issues.

00:18:17.080 Because women are communitarian by nature, right?

00:18:19.580 They don't know what the fuck they want to do.

00:18:20.960 They can't even decide what they want to eat, let alone pick their own partners.

00:18:23.060 That's why the divorce rates are through the fucking room.

00:18:24.420 Wait, time out.

00:18:25.080 You guys admit it's hard for women to choose what to eat, though, Kat.

00:18:27.900 Is that true?

00:18:28.840 Can we at least agree on that?

00:18:29.840 Well, yes, but it also could be all this nicotine gum I'm always choosing.

00:18:32.360 Okay, I just, that is typically my girlfriend.

00:18:35.820 It is hard for women to choose where to eat.

00:18:37.620 I think you're 100% right about that.

00:18:39.300 Sure, but we also are negating the fact that some of the biggest breakthroughs in ecology science

00:18:43.200 come from the humanitarian approach that women have.

00:18:46.580 You know, DNA was discovered by women.

00:18:48.340 So the issue is that women are decently valuable.

00:18:51.760 When we talk about women being stupid, men are stupid all the time, too.

00:18:55.000 Men are the morons that are ending up in fucking jail all the time

00:18:58.300 because they can't, like, stop punching shit.

00:19:00.040 You made a good point.

00:19:00.800 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:19:02.000 Is Frederic Meischer a woman?

00:19:05.360 DNA was first identified by Swiss chemist Friedrich Meischer.

00:19:08.980 Yeah, they were trying to take credit for our stuff.

00:19:10.640 They also said, they were trying to say Wi-Fi was made by women.

00:19:13.520 No, it wasn't.

00:19:14.100 It was made by men as well.

00:19:15.700 Women don't invent anything.

00:19:16.880 They don't contribute to anything besides, like, to be honest,

00:19:19.620 the only real value women have is reproductive value.

00:19:21.140 I can give you more to the economy than you do, Myron, just objectively.

00:19:24.560 Wait, wait, I want to say I'm on Kat and not to her side, though,

00:19:27.700 but don't you think women are equally valuable to society, though?

00:19:31.160 You don't think so?

00:19:31.840 Dude, if you remove sex and reproduction, they provide almost nothing.

00:19:34.540 Yeah, but we wouldn't have life without those things.

00:19:36.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

00:19:37.100 So don't there's kind of even a playing field?

00:19:37.840 But I want to be clear about this.

00:19:39.160 We don't need them.

00:19:40.380 Like, here's the thing.

00:19:41.160 Women need us.

00:19:41.900 We don't need them.

00:19:42.680 We need them to propagate society for the next generation.

00:19:45.460 That's what I'm on my point.

00:19:46.300 I said outside of reproduction.

00:19:47.880 So, like, if we want to have kids, yes, we need them.

00:19:50.160 But they need us for everything.

00:19:51.400 So the reality is men bring far more value to society than women do.

00:19:55.480 The only real value they provide is reproductive value.

00:19:57.320 Because let's be honest here.

00:19:58.340 You guys don't give a fuck about what they got to say.

00:19:59.660 You guys are here for us.

00:20:00.540 Nobody cares about what women got to say.

00:20:02.400 They're the suckiest podcasters.

00:20:04.260 Female YouTubers suck.

00:20:05.600 Nobody gives a fuck about their opinion.

00:20:07.480 We're just there for the tits.

00:20:08.460 Isn't like some of the largest podcasts, all Candace Owens, Call Her Daddy,

00:20:12.560 like some of the largest podcasts are female run.

00:20:14.920 To be fair, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:20:16.620 It doesn't matter if you don't like them.

00:20:18.580 The point is that they're highly successful.

00:20:20.340 So maybe you guys don't like to listen to women.

00:20:22.320 But that doesn't mean that broader society doesn't.

00:20:24.140 For example, take women out of the workforce, you've nuked your economy overnight.

00:20:28.620 It's done.

00:20:29.480 They contribute, even if we're being mild and conservative, 30%, probably around 50%.

00:20:35.200 Well, that'd be good for the airline pilot industry, wouldn't it?

00:20:37.440 Wouldn't that save us a lot?

00:20:38.740 I don't know.

00:20:39.420 It seems like there's a lot more going on with the airline pilot industry than just women.

00:20:42.420 But women are usually taking social jobs like teachers and nurses and stuff like this.

00:20:45.460 Yeah, we need those jobs.

00:20:46.460 We do.

00:20:46.800 But we need oil petroleum engineers more.

00:20:49.600 I would disagree.

00:20:50.540 We need to raise our children.

00:20:51.940 I would like literate children.

00:20:53.400 Public schools.

00:20:54.220 Ooh.

00:20:55.200 Public schools are shit.

00:20:56.880 But we should still be teaching our kids.

00:20:58.100 We want our kids to be literate.

00:20:59.580 I agree.

00:21:00.320 And I think women are great teachers.

00:21:01.740 Right?

00:21:01.920 Like every one of you has been to a hospital, and you're probably super grateful that there's

00:21:05.320 an entire health industry oriented at making sure that your ass doesn't die.

00:21:09.020 Especially a lot of your fat asses don't die.

00:21:13.400 Indeed.

00:21:14.080 Yeah.

00:21:14.300 I can feel the tension.

00:21:19.500 I like that.

00:21:19.860 I was just going to say this.

00:21:20.860 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:21:21.720 Real quick, though.

00:21:22.460 I do want to say thank you guys for being here.

00:21:24.260 Give yourselves a round of applause.

00:21:25.660 Seriously.

00:21:27.440 And this is our third time doing it here.

00:21:30.840 And I have to say that last week was a little tense with Michael Malice, but you can feel

00:21:35.080 the tension up here.

00:21:37.060 I kind of like this debate.

00:21:38.560 And we want to encourage you guys to all come up, whatever you guys, whether you have

00:21:42.720 a question or a debate topic, you know, it's no holds barred, just say whatever you want

00:21:46.240 to say.

00:21:47.040 And we're going to do that here in a second.

00:21:48.180 But Tim, I mean, I'm liking this, the energy up here.

00:21:51.160 It's a little different this week.

00:21:52.060 There's an interesting split between the civics of it and the dating element of it.

00:21:57.260 So you were saying that...

00:21:58.420 And the morality.

00:22:00.060 What's the morality argument?

00:22:01.060 I think that, like, feminism is morally good.

00:22:03.760 What does that mean?

00:22:04.980 I think...

00:22:06.020 What does morally good mean?

00:22:07.620 In, like, a Christian, Aristotelian kind of way.

00:22:09.920 Well, that's my question.

00:22:10.620 All of our, like, Western systems absolutely value things like agency.

00:22:13.540 Let me ask you a second.

00:22:14.520 Real quick, just define feminism.

00:22:16.140 Sure.

00:22:16.460 Feminism is...

00:22:17.500 Here, I always write it down so I can always cite it.

00:22:19.540 Feminism, the empowerment of women's agency and the promotion of femininity.

00:22:23.660 What is femininity?

00:22:24.920 Femininity would be, like, the emergent things that we see.

00:22:27.200 Femininity, nurturance, typically, like, empathy and kindness.

00:22:31.160 All the things that we typically see in a Western society that would go, yeah, that's feminine, by and large.

00:22:35.800 Understanding these sorts of things.

00:22:37.740 Things that identify as feminine, as femininity?

00:22:40.460 Typically, yeah.

00:22:41.020 Basically.

00:22:41.620 Yeah.

00:22:42.000 Like, what's masculinity?

00:22:43.200 Wait, what's masculinity?

00:22:44.400 The things that we kind of identify with men.

00:22:45.640 I don't think women have empathy.

00:22:46.860 Drinking big beers.

00:22:48.060 Well, it's, like, things like bravery and strength, right?

00:22:50.480 It's things like being, like, protective, right?

00:22:52.120 These are the things that we, like, see in all of our stories as masculine or feminine.

00:22:56.120 Guys, were you guys going to get your chance?

00:22:57.800 Everybody shut the fuck up.

00:22:58.920 Is femininity then related to, like, nurturing?

00:23:01.880 Yeah.

00:23:02.180 Having babies?

00:23:02.900 Yeah.

00:23:03.740 Yeah.

00:23:04.160 Yeah.

00:23:04.620 I think that's good.

00:23:05.860 Hot take.

00:23:06.420 I think women actually lack empathy.

00:23:08.400 Contrary to them saying that they have empathy, I think women have sympathy.

00:23:11.220 They can feel sorry and compassion for sure.

00:23:13.320 When it comes to empathy, especially to the masculine experience, they don't have it at all.

00:23:17.480 I would argue most women don't know what men want.

00:23:19.160 They don't know what men are interested in.

00:23:20.320 They don't know what it takes to keep a man around, which is why most girls can't even stay in a relationship long term or get married.

00:23:24.940 And let's be honest here.

00:23:27.040 The reason why they're not empathetic is because there's no need to be empathetic because men approach them.

00:23:30.600 Since men approach them and they do the courting and they have to do everything up front, especially at the beginning,

00:23:35.140 a lot of women aren't empathetic to the masculine experience because they don't have to be.

00:23:38.740 Versus men, we have to be empathetic to women.

00:23:40.760 Otherwise, we don't get laid.

00:23:42.020 Yeah, you're very empathetic to women.

00:23:44.300 No, well, here's the thing.

00:23:45.240 I understand you guys, which is why I don't respect you.

00:23:46.860 So that's why – because the reality is if you understand women, there's no way you can respect them as an equal

00:23:51.720 because they're inferior in almost every way.

00:23:53.760 What does that mean?

00:23:54.900 I just don't understand why you would say that.

00:23:56.800 Sure.

00:23:57.900 I mean, here's the thing.

00:23:59.840 You can either respect them as an equal, right, or you don't – like my thing is I understand women.

00:24:05.200 So since therefore I understand women, I cannot respect you guys as equals because you guys have a completely different worldview.

00:24:10.760 You guys are inferior in almost everything that matters.

00:24:12.640 Like in what?

00:24:13.140 You guys are weaker, dumber, smaller, like –

00:24:17.660 Weaker, dumber.

00:24:18.960 Yeah, literally like –

00:24:20.540 Less fit, less strong.

00:24:21.800 But wait, by these standards, your co-host is inferior to you in every way because he's weaker.

00:24:27.120 He doesn't exercise as much.

00:24:27.980 But he's still superior to you.

00:24:28.280 He's not as strong.

00:24:28.780 That's my point.

00:24:29.220 That's not what the issue is.

00:24:30.900 He's still superior to you, though.

00:24:32.320 Well, the issue is on the thing – well, actually, not really.

00:24:34.900 I think I'm actually fitter than Fresh.

00:24:36.560 He's stronger than me, but I think I'm literally fitter than him.

00:24:38.640 And also when it comes to debates, I tend to do better than him in debates.

00:24:41.700 All the things that you tend to value are the things that he's inferior.

00:24:44.880 The issue is – hold on, just so it's clear.

00:24:46.440 I don't think – I don't think that Fresh is inferior because I don't think that only

00:24:51.180 these things matter to the value of a person.

00:24:53.400 When we talk about things like the Western civilization tradition, if you guys actually

00:24:57.600 care about the American project and what this means, we have to get real about the

00:25:01.120 things that are the precepts of what we believe in.

00:25:03.760 This is things like Christian theology and Aristotelian thinking.

00:25:07.320 And in these precepts, everyone assumes that there is going to be a variety of ways in

00:25:11.860 which people are beneficial.

00:25:13.120 But we don't typically give inferior or superior because we recognize, for example, that while

00:25:17.620 Fresh is not as strong as a debater as you, he's so good at networking, he's really

00:25:21.320 personable, he's really good at connecting people, and you value that.

00:25:24.820 Whereas women are strong at other things.

00:25:27.100 We don't have to be equal.

00:25:28.300 We just need to be valuable.

00:25:29.300 But isn't there like –

00:25:31.300 You know how Noah laughed because that's like the oldest joke that's ever been told?

00:25:36.400 Women make sandwiches.

00:25:37.920 You're stupid.

00:25:39.360 Blah, blah, blah.

00:25:40.540 It's like I'm bored already.

00:25:43.740 All right.

00:25:44.480 Again, I'm still trying to figure out why she's talking.

00:25:46.680 This is not a kitchen.

00:25:47.680 I don't know what's going on right now.

00:25:49.320 There it is again.

00:25:49.760 It's crazy.

00:25:51.080 I think it's great when you talk, though, because a lot of times people say that there's

00:25:54.820 no need for feminism anymore.

00:25:56.760 And then people hear you talk, and you're saying that women should all be owned by men

00:26:01.980 and all these other things that you say.

00:26:03.880 And people might think differently because you're going to be – a lot different new

00:26:08.360 audience is going to see you thanks to me being on this panel.

00:26:11.060 You're welcome, by the way.

00:26:12.280 Who are you again?

00:26:13.040 I don't even know who this – who is this female?

00:26:14.900 I don't even know.

00:26:17.080 She's the host of the highest rated –

00:26:18.840 Well, no one watches mainstream media anymore anyway, so that's fine.

00:26:24.200 What do you actually think women should be owned, Myron?

00:26:26.040 She said you believe that.

00:26:27.000 I mean, it's kind of funny.

00:26:27.820 She's over here, all this blah, blah, but she's married, which is a male-led institution,

00:26:31.480 which is interesting to me.

00:26:32.400 So it's like she's buying into it even though she's trying to sit here and be like,

00:26:35.040 I'm kind of like – I'm a feminist, but at the same time I'm married, blah, blah,

00:26:39.020 it's like pick one, man.

00:26:40.040 You serve under a man.

00:26:41.300 So it's like I don't even know why she's talking.

00:26:43.580 I serve under a man?

00:26:44.920 Yeah.

00:26:45.220 You're married to a guy, which marriage in itself is a male-led institution.

00:26:50.120 See, not my marriage.

00:26:51.660 Oh, God.

00:26:52.480 So you wear the pants in your –

00:26:53.280 We're equal partners in my marriage.

00:26:54.900 I know that's crazy, but it actually works well for very happy.

00:26:58.040 The concept of equality is a lie.

00:26:59.460 It's not true.

00:27:00.660 One is always a leader.

00:27:01.560 Who's the leader in your relationship?

00:27:02.940 Who's the decision maker, you or him?

00:27:04.380 Depends on the thing.

00:27:05.360 This doesn't make one person more or less more valuable.

00:27:08.240 It depends on the thing.

00:27:10.620 We are equal partners.

00:27:11.840 We've been through a shit ton together.

00:27:13.620 Oh, crap.

00:27:14.060 A lot of stuff together, especially recently.

00:27:17.700 And I love him very much.

00:27:19.320 He loves me very much.

00:27:20.520 And I would never have a child with somebody who didn't see me as a person.

00:27:24.500 I see a lot of posts on the internet about, like, the fertility problem

00:27:27.600 and why aren't women having kids.

00:27:29.620 And you look at the comments, and you see why maybe women don't want to have kids with –

00:27:33.200 and it ain't the women that are the problem a lot of the times.

00:27:35.960 There's a lot of problems with talking about women, why do women want to have kids,

00:27:39.360 and not enough talk about why men aren't becoming, in some cases,

00:27:43.220 the kind of partners that women would want to have a child with.

00:27:46.820 I did not meet someone I'd want to have a child with until I met my husband when I was 30 years old.

00:27:50.620 Still trying to figure out who the leader is here.

00:27:52.100 I want to bring it back to feminism because I think feminism is a key component in a relationship breakdown.

00:28:03.780 There was a story several years ago where, in New York,

00:28:06.960 women in their 30s could not find men who made as much or more than they did.

00:28:12.320 And it was like a shock to the system.

00:28:13.980 All these writers, these are female writers, saying, why can't we find good men?

00:28:18.600 And it's – well, because they weren't attracted to guys who made less,

00:28:22.680 and they didn't want to be with younger guys.

00:28:24.020 So the guys who are the same age as them, who made $50,000 a year, were like,

00:28:27.500 I can date a 24-year-old woman, somebody who wants to have a family and is younger.

00:28:30.660 So guys are aiming for younger women, but women are being told to get jobs and have careers.

00:28:35.800 But you mentioned guys aren't stepping up.

00:28:37.520 I think this creates an inverse problem where, for young men,

00:28:41.040 they're either struggling to date because younger women can date older guys through dating apps,

00:28:45.320 or women – why buy the cow when you get the milk for free, if you know what I mean?

00:28:51.040 Like you can have sex without –

00:28:52.400 These guys who are young are like, I don't need a job.

00:28:55.480 I don't need status because if I go to the club and spend $15 on booze, I get laid.

00:28:59.100 Yeah, I mean, I agree.

00:29:00.240 I just think that this is like the tradeoff of agency, right?

00:29:04.120 Like agency is one of the most important things that we can have, the ability to choose, right?

00:29:09.840 Because if you don't have agency, you can't choose to do noble and good things.

00:29:13.200 You can't choose to do bad things.

00:29:14.440 And so I would agree that when I look at the modern dating culture, first of all,

00:29:18.260 the 24-year-old girls are not like, I'm so ready to settle down and have kids.

00:29:21.900 They're like, these are the people you're calling whores half the time, right?

00:29:24.800 And so the issue –

00:29:25.960 They used to be.

00:29:27.200 Yeah.

00:29:27.900 People used to get married and have kids at 22.

00:29:29.600 Sure, but we also died at 55 around the same time.

00:29:32.080 No, we didn't.

00:29:32.900 Yeah.

00:29:33.260 That is not correct.

00:29:34.040 We did have a lower life expectancy.

00:29:34.980 That is not correct.

00:29:35.920 We had a much shorter life expectancy.

00:29:36.720 The shorter life expectancy was due to the infant mortality rate.

00:29:39.520 People actually who survived infancy would live for a very long time.

00:29:42.060 No.

00:29:42.500 But while people are –

00:29:43.880 Men –

00:29:44.520 No, men were dying in minds.

00:29:46.260 They're not at 55.

00:29:46.680 No, men were dying in minds and women were also dying in childhood.

00:29:49.460 And while life expectancy has increased by a few years recently, that isn't changing

00:29:54.000 the fact that society used to be very different.

00:29:56.800 Women in pre-feminism were focused on families and the big social deal was who are you going

00:30:03.000 steady with and who you're having a family with.

00:30:04.520 I'm not saying society should be that way.

00:30:06.840 But when that's gone and women start prioritizing what job am I going to have, you're not going

00:30:11.040 to have families at 22 like we used to anymore, and now we're in a fertility crisis, and we've

00:30:15.180 got no young people.

00:30:16.180 Gen Alpha is only 40 million people.

00:30:18.140 It is half the size of the millennials.

00:30:19.760 Sure.

00:30:20.060 So to this, I would basically say I agree that there has been a lot of cons that have come

00:30:24.020 with giving women agency.

00:30:25.140 I think giving women agency is actually like a deontological good.

00:30:29.660 Letting people choose means that they have the choice to choose the noble things.

00:30:33.400 This is really, really important in Western society specifically.

00:30:38.100 This is the foundation of what we believe in the American project.

00:30:41.800 And so yes, women back then didn't have as many choices.

00:30:45.460 They couldn't own private property.

00:30:46.700 They basically had to be married to a man to have any access or rights or power.

00:30:49.840 They couldn't have a credit card until the 80s.

00:30:51.360 Exactly, right?

00:30:52.180 So women had-

00:30:52.720 Better times, less debt.

00:30:54.600 Women had less agency.

00:30:56.420 Women had less agency.

00:30:57.940 But I would argue that that was a moral failing of society.

00:31:00.680 And just because the outcomes right now might be worse, that doesn't necessarily mean that

00:31:04.940 this is not something that we fundamentally value.

00:31:07.440 We value in America giving people choice.

00:31:10.600 I hear that.

00:31:11.120 I remember, you know, last week we had this big debate on police.

00:31:13.420 And I think the shortcomings for Michael Malice, which I respect the guy, he's a good friend,

00:31:17.860 but he kept saying police were bad.

00:31:19.940 And it sounded like all he was saying was, yes, there are big problems with police and there's

00:31:23.620 no alternative or the system will always be bad in some way, but there is a worse.

00:31:27.980 So I look at this now and I'm like, okay, you know, I agree to a certain degree on the

00:31:32.860 deontological aspect of people should have free choice.

00:31:35.120 You want to have a job, you can do it.

00:31:35.980 You want to have finances, all that's fine.

00:31:37.320 Is the end result then that Gen Alpha is 40 million and collapsing and there won't be

00:31:42.660 any humans in the future or cities are going to start shrinking, infrastructure is going

00:31:46.200 to start crumbling, and we're going to go, you know, it was a moral good to make sure

00:31:49.800 that we had this semblance of equality under the law and then society was destroyed by it.

00:31:54.780 Well, equity of agency does mean bad outcomes sometimes.

00:31:57.660 The issue is that I'm not opposed to people strongly.

00:32:00.160 Which proves that when women have agency, things go bad.

00:32:03.100 Actually, when most people have agency, people make terrible choices, right?

00:32:06.600 When we give young men free agency, what's the window where young men do the most crime?

00:32:10.660 It's typically the ages where they get the most amount of agency.

00:32:14.380 People, when they are given choice, often choose poorly, but that's not the reason we

00:32:19.180 don't give them choice.

00:32:20.300 Because if we don't give them choice, they are enslaved to correct action because of necessity.

00:32:25.520 And that's not the world that we want to live in.

00:32:27.640 We want people to choose the noble thing because they are choosing to do something.

00:32:31.300 Now, here's the thing.

00:32:31.860 Wait, wait, wait.

00:32:32.320 I see your perspective with agency.

00:32:33.980 I see that.

00:32:34.580 But we need to be honest with women.

00:32:35.740 The problem is that we're not honest with women, right?

00:32:37.840 We don't tell them, look, if you want to pursue a career, you want to make money, your

00:32:41.120 chances of finding a guy down the road are going to be significantly harder.

00:32:43.600 We don't tell them if you decide to be promiscuous now, it's going to cost you later on.

00:32:46.760 We tell women they should be able to do whatever they want and not deal with consequences of their

00:32:50.100 actions.

00:32:50.400 In other words, go ahead and be on OnlyFans and you'll still find a guy that's six foot

00:32:53.640 three making $100,000 a month that's going to take you seriously.

00:32:56.060 It's not going to happen.

00:32:56.920 So we're not honest with women about what happens.

00:32:58.940 And the reason why is because women don't really deal with the consequences of their bad

00:33:02.040 decisions a lot of times until it's too late.

00:33:03.820 At least with men, if I'm a loser, I have to deal with the consequences of being a loser.

00:33:06.820 Women don't.

00:33:07.400 We don't tell them the truth.

00:33:08.520 Because financially, there's no incentive to tell women the truth because women are consumers.

00:33:12.300 So we want to tell them what sounds good so they continue to consume.

00:33:15.060 Real quick, it's like how Unilever owns Ben & Jerry's and they own Dove's Real Beauty

00:33:20.920 campaign.

00:33:22.020 It's like telling all these women, hey, you're beautiful if you're fat.

00:33:24.140 By the way, here's our ice cream.

00:33:25.200 Eat more of it.

00:33:25.860 Yeah.

00:33:26.280 We don't tell women the truth, which is one of my biggest problems.

00:33:29.180 If we want to give them agency, that's fine.

00:33:30.900 But at least let's let them know this is what your agency comes with.

00:33:33.540 And if you decide to go down this road, this is what's going to happen.

00:33:35.480 We don't tell women the truth, which is one of the biggest issues.

00:33:37.180 I'm totally with you, actually.

00:33:38.280 So one of my biggest frustrations with feminism, as somebody who's defending feminism, which

00:33:42.240 is funny because feminists really don't like me a lot of the time, is that I think that

00:33:45.060 we have done a lot of infantilizing of women.

00:33:47.740 I think that infantilizing of women was a form of sexism that came with low agency.

00:33:51.920 And the issue is that women are being like, we want agency, but also baby us.

00:33:55.180 And I think that that's a bad thing.

00:33:56.760 The issue is that I have no issue with you saying, women, you should have a family.

00:34:00.620 It's the thing that you will come to love the most.

00:34:02.740 You should be more careful in who you're selecting.

00:34:05.240 I don't have any issue with this.

00:34:06.520 I have an issue with you taking away my rights because that takes away my agency.

00:34:10.520 Well, a lot of times we have to take your agency away so you make the right decisions.

00:34:14.120 That's the problem.

00:34:14.800 And that's how I used to work for a very long time.

00:34:16.300 That's not meaningful.

00:34:16.540 That's not meaningful.

00:34:16.980 Because when you leave women, well, here's the thing.

00:34:18.380 When you leave women to their own devices, they make really bad decisions.

00:34:21.100 When you leave men to their own devices, they make bad decisions.

00:34:23.200 Look at the way society is now where the nuclear family is crumbling.

00:34:25.900 When you give women their own decisions, they make really bad decisions.

00:34:28.380 That's why the father was so important because we would keep our daughters off the strip poles

00:34:31.520 and our sons out of jail.

00:34:32.600 At least with men, however, when we do dumb shit, we deal with consequences.

00:34:35.880 How many men are addicted to porn?

00:34:37.540 They don't deal with consequences.

00:34:38.180 How many men are addicted to porn?

00:34:39.380 Here's the thing, though.

00:34:40.360 They're addicted to porn because you're right.

00:34:42.380 You're right.

00:34:42.720 But again, they deal with consequences for being fucking losers.

00:34:46.020 Women don't.

00:34:46.820 That's my point.

00:34:47.440 Women do because they turn.

00:34:48.920 Wait, hold on.

00:34:50.060 Of course they do.

00:34:50.720 You already said that if they go on and they have all this career and stuff, they're going

00:34:53.860 to be less likely to find a man.

00:34:55.240 That is the consequence of their choice.

00:34:56.940 They don't find out until it's too late is my point.

00:34:58.700 The issue is that most men who are addicted to porn don't discover how much it's fucking

00:35:01.960 up their sex lives until they actually get a girlfriend and they can't inside their

00:35:05.420 girlfriend.

00:35:06.040 That's the issue with porn addiction.

00:35:07.780 Sure, sure.

00:35:08.180 Myron, you want to ban porn?

00:35:11.060 Do I?

00:35:11.900 Man, it has a lot of...

00:35:13.680 Dude, I'm very close to...

00:35:15.360 You want the nanny state, guys.

00:35:16.660 I think it needs to be regulated in a way.

00:35:18.240 I think we need to regulate it.

00:35:19.260 You want to ban porn?

00:35:20.100 I think it's a problem.

00:35:20.920 No.

00:35:21.020 You don't want...

00:35:22.140 But what about all those problems you just named?

00:35:24.260 Again, I don't want to ban drugs, even though drugs cause addiction a lot of the time.

00:35:27.940 I want people to make choices and I want there to be off ramps for bad choices as much

00:35:31.920 as possible.

00:35:32.700 But at the end of the day, I want people to make a noble choice.

00:35:35.840 If I sit my kid down, hold on.

00:35:37.480 If I sit my kid down and I say carrots or broccoli and they choose carrots, I'm not going

00:35:41.460 to be like, wow, my kid's picking healthy food.

00:35:43.580 No.

00:35:44.060 They were forced to the correct action by necessity.

00:35:47.640 I don't want that society.

00:35:48.460 What if you had ice cream to that?

00:35:49.680 What if you said broccoli, carrots, ice cream?

00:35:51.120 What are they going to pick?

00:35:51.360 Now they have agency.

00:35:52.580 And what are they going to pick?

00:35:53.280 They're probably going to pick ice cream for a long time.

00:35:54.900 Fuck yeah, ice cream every time.

00:35:56.180 Yeah.

00:35:56.480 Until they get tummy aches and then they stop.

00:35:59.660 This is not to agree or disagree, but it's a philosophical moral question.

00:36:02.840 You keep saying, yes, these bad things are going to happen, but we should be able

00:36:06.160 to choose.

00:36:06.720 Yes.

00:36:06.920 If that system leads to the end of humanity, is it the right choice?

00:36:10.680 That system has led to America as it is today.

00:36:13.120 And I think America is-

00:36:13.840 No, that's not correct.

00:36:14.780 It absolutely is.

00:36:15.320 Well, technically it is.

00:36:16.200 Hold on.

00:36:16.800 With all its crime and dysfunction.

00:36:17.740 Well, what is Western civilization?

00:36:19.380 Western civilization is Greek philosophy, it's Roman bureaucracy and law, and it is

00:36:24.160 Christian theology.

00:36:25.240 That's the foundations of Western society.

00:36:28.500 And all of these systems value individualism.

00:36:31.900 It values your ability to make choices, including bad choices.

00:36:36.580 So let me ask you, is it like, it's nice to have your door open on a nice, cool summer

00:36:41.500 night, you know?

00:36:43.060 It feels good.

00:36:44.380 And then at three in the morning, one day a guy breaks into your house.

00:36:46.980 Yes, you can mention that there are good systems that lead to comfortability and success, but

00:36:50.880 eventually those can create security problems for your society, which creates the ebb and

00:36:55.560 flow of security states.

00:36:56.640 Exactly.

00:36:56.920 The problems are going to get so bad that more Myrons are going to start emerging because

00:37:01.160 they're going to say, crime is way too high.

00:37:04.440 Women keep voting for Democrats overwhelmingly.

00:37:07.320 And whether the reason is that women vote for Democrats, that's what they identify, and

00:37:12.160 then it's going to lead to some kind of social disorder and then an authoritarian shift.

00:37:16.640 Sure.

00:37:17.800 Kamala would be president right now if we had to rely on female votes.

00:37:20.760 Probably.

00:37:21.240 She would literally be president right now.

00:37:22.000 Yeah.

00:37:22.620 That's bad.

00:37:23.680 It'd be a Democrat super majority across the country.

00:37:25.320 So there's this concept.

00:37:27.440 I wish I could remember what it's called, but it's this idea how essentially sometimes

00:37:31.220 the advocacy, the social advocacy itself, prevents the bad thing from happening.

00:37:35.100 So let me give an example.

00:37:36.420 You guys are familiar with Jordan Peterson, Bill C-16.

00:37:39.200 He was super worried about, are you guys familiar with this so I don't have to summarize

00:37:43.320 it?

00:37:43.800 You guys are familiar about this?

00:37:44.780 Yeah.

00:37:45.340 Great.

00:37:45.800 Okay.

00:37:45.980 Yeah, he lost that, didn't he?

00:37:46.820 He did.

00:37:47.260 But one of his arguments for why he was doing it is he was saying this might lead to some

00:37:50.860 sort of a authoritarian control on free speech.

00:37:53.280 And a whole bunch of people were like, especially on my side, were like, you're so stupid.

00:37:56.960 The issue is that it is very likely that his advocacy against C-16 is part of what informed

00:38:03.740 Congress's interpretation of that bill to make it less authoritarian.

00:38:07.680 I don't have an issue with you guys saying women should be more cautious.

00:38:11.440 Women aren't being very smart.

00:38:12.840 I don't have an issue with that.

00:38:13.860 That's free speech.

00:38:14.780 And that is some of the things that will probably offset the degradation of society that

00:38:18.760 you may be worried about if I agree with your worldview.

00:38:21.080 What I care about is taking away rights.

00:38:24.260 That's it.

00:38:24.960 That's my hard line.

00:38:25.720 Don't take away the rights.

00:38:26.220 Once again, let me ask you the question.

00:38:27.620 If the system you have described leads to the end of humanity, was it a good system?

00:38:32.720 I would have to believe you that the American project will lead to the end of society.

00:38:36.940 I just don't think it will.

00:38:37.860 The question is, let's try this again.

00:38:40.160 Sure.

00:38:40.480 If a system of open and free choice would ultimately lead to the end of civilization,

00:38:46.420 human death and extinction, is it a good system?

00:38:48.260 Nope.

00:38:49.000 But I don't think that that's the system that we have.

00:38:50.780 So at what point in the current trends would it get bad enough for you to believe we are

00:38:56.240 on track for civilization collapse?

00:38:59.040 Could it be like fertility at 0.3 or 0.6?

00:39:03.380 No.

00:39:04.860 That's tough because the fertility issue is way less about feminism and way more about

00:39:07.820 our terrible food and our agriculture sector.

00:39:10.180 I disagree.

00:39:11.300 Well, like you guys just talked about eating testosterone.

00:39:13.820 That's really bad for fertility.

00:39:15.560 Well, you know, they do say that actually, you know, I was saying that earlier about

00:39:18.640 the microplastics.

00:39:19.500 Men are to blame for the fertility issue.

00:39:21.620 They are.

00:39:22.620 You're swimming from my bed.

00:39:23.280 By all means, we can mention that guys have gotten weaker and whinier, whatever you want

00:39:27.700 to say.

00:39:28.220 But the reality is, I won't make any excuses for it.

00:39:31.060 I didn't have a family in my 20s.

00:39:32.320 I just had a kid for the first time.

00:39:34.700 Congratulations.

00:39:35.060 Where, where, where was my generation, men and women, to be like, it is a social imperative

00:39:40.940 to have a family now, sort it out.

00:39:42.940 For all the young guys, you were, men were told, sexual liberation, you don't need to

00:39:48.180 have a family, who cares, birth control and abortions in every major city.

00:39:51.820 And now, gen alpha, this is, I don't think people realize how insane it is that the upcoming

00:39:57.360 generation that are 15 years old at their oldest, there's only 40 million already.

00:40:01.760 And actually, I'm a big fan of this part.

00:40:03.560 Universities are shutting down 18 years on from the financial collapse in 07, 08.

00:40:08.720 People, my age, didn't have any kids.

00:40:11.480 There are no 18 year olds to go to university or to start jobs.

00:40:14.880 And so companies are struggling to hire.

00:40:16.920 Universities are shutting down.

00:40:17.900 And this is just the beginning of fertility collapse.

00:40:20.780 Now, if we had a society that told men, and even, and I'm saying, even with choice, they

00:40:26.440 said to men, guys, you should strive to be the best, the strongest, the boss.

00:40:31.020 Women, choose what you want, but social pressure is be a mom, have a family, help society continue.

00:40:38.420 If that was the route we went and we still had social pressures on having kids, we wouldn't

00:40:42.080 be in this fertility crisis.

00:40:43.300 I actually just agree with you.

00:40:44.720 The issue is that I think the way for the government to manage it isn't to like take

00:40:47.860 away women's right to vote.

00:40:48.980 It would be things like child tax credits.

00:40:50.760 Like, didn't the BBB actually include a really big child tax credit?

00:40:54.460 One of the reasons why people don't have kids in a lot of like high income areas is because

00:40:58.880 of wealth disparity.

00:40:59.760 I mean, it's like $45,000 to get birth.

00:41:01.780 The principal reason is always cultural.

00:41:03.500 I agree.

00:41:04.100 I agree.

00:41:04.620 Right.

00:41:04.840 So we live in a society that needs to be saying, what do you mean you don't have kids?

00:41:08.820 That's crazy.

00:41:09.900 Instead, we live in a society where it's like, don't have kids.

00:41:11.840 It's bad for the environment.

00:41:12.640 Sure.

00:41:12.760 And we kind of hate kids, right?

00:41:13.800 Like, there's a lot of families that move.

00:41:15.540 It's just the argument would be like, I mean, bring up the Jews.

00:41:18.940 Israel.

00:41:20.620 Bring them up.

00:41:21.480 My favorite topics.

00:41:22.960 Yeah, one of your favorite topics.

00:41:24.240 But it's just to use a good example of a high income country that actually has a really

00:41:29.020 strong cultural value on family.

00:41:31.080 They have a fuckload of kids.

00:41:32.700 Those people, they're all having lots and lots of kids and they're meeting the replacement

00:41:35.880 level.

00:41:36.500 And so I'm not opposed.

00:41:37.720 I agree with you.

00:41:38.340 The idea that we told a bunch of young people, hey, remember how much the boomers sucked?

00:41:42.580 You shouldn't have kids.

00:41:43.640 Your life will be better.

00:41:44.480 It turns out when everyone's dead and dying, everyone says the same thing.

00:41:48.460 They wish they had more family connections and they wish they spent more time with them.

00:41:51.760 Absolutely having kids matters.

00:41:53.300 But make it more affordable.

00:41:54.960 Give them tax incentives.

00:41:56.480 Incentivize the behavior that we want to see and encourage it.

00:41:58.580 But don't take great women's right to vote.

00:41:59.860 That's not going to change anything.

00:42:00.840 Let me ask you a question.

00:42:01.380 Do you think a system that cannot survive, like, I don't know how to ask this question,

00:42:05.460 but if a system cannot survive, does it matter in the long run?

00:42:10.100 Like, there have been very few anarchist communes that have existed as forms of government,

00:42:13.740 but like Catalonia, they get crushed immediately by barbarians.

00:42:16.360 I don't know.

00:42:16.700 Like, does Rome matter even though it got crushed?

00:42:18.440 Yeah, I would say it does.

00:42:19.420 Rome was an empire with...

00:42:21.180 So was America.

00:42:21.860 So I'm talking about anarchist systems that they don't function, they don't work.

00:42:28.040 It's this idea, it emerges, and immediately gets crushed.

00:42:30.060 The point I'm making is, right now, there is a first, I will point out the humor of the person on stage,

00:42:36.040 and that Myron doesn't have any kids.

00:42:37.260 Right.

00:42:37.700 And Kat does.

00:42:38.420 And so Myron loses that genetic debate.

00:42:39.840 I'm waiting.

00:42:41.840 Aren't we all?

00:42:42.780 The end result of this system...

00:42:43.840 Well, I got time on like you guys.

00:42:45.660 That's what everyone's saying.

00:42:47.480 Yeah, I'm glad I waited.

00:42:49.820 Let me finish this point.

00:42:50.540 The end result is that liberals with these feminist sensibilities are less likely to

00:42:56.440 have kids, more likely to abort, and shockingly more likely to surgically amputate the genitals

00:43:00.980 of their children than conservatives who are less feminist and more traditional.

00:43:05.000 You can do whatever the fuck you want on TV as long as that fertility trend continues,

00:43:09.620 and it is happening.

00:43:11.400 There's going to be a collapse of the feminist ideology, and conservatives will take over

00:43:16.140 in 50 to 60 years because there are no liberals being born.

00:43:18.780 But the issue is that, like, typically conservatives' children go to school, and then they're like,

00:43:24.040 wait...

00:43:24.680 And universities are shutting down.

00:43:26.260 Sure.

00:43:26.620 And Trump is gutting the Department of Education.

00:43:28.920 Conservatives are winning this battle.

00:43:30.360 And I want to stress this...

00:43:31.300 Well, Tim, but aren't liberals slettier, though?

00:43:33.440 Aren't they going to get pregnant?

00:43:34.580 But I want to stress this one point.

00:43:35.960 I was talking to Kyla before the show.

00:43:37.260 So, on the culture war, we may not have abject victory, but South Park has made fun of Donald

00:43:44.180 Trump.

00:43:44.700 Now, why?

00:43:45.540 Is it because he's friends with Epstein?

00:43:47.960 No.

00:43:48.420 Is it because his tariff policy has been...

00:43:49.820 No.

00:43:50.140 It's because he's gay, and they called him a...

00:43:52.640 When South Park says to mainstream liberals, Trump is bad, and it's because he's gay, and

00:43:59.060 that's what they're making fun of.

00:44:00.640 That's a cultural shift so far to the right, it is shocking in a short period of time.

00:44:05.380 I mean, I would just argue it's a shift towards the center.

00:44:07.540 Like, most libertarians...

00:44:08.760 Sure.

00:44:08.880 And most...

00:44:09.240 Like, as an edgy liberal, I've always been for, like, free speech and language.

00:44:12.260 I don't care if you call people, like, the...

00:44:13.420 And Gen Z guys are shifting rightward.

00:44:15.840 Gen Z is the first generation in 100 years to begin shifting rightward.

00:44:18.960 And I think a large reason, not the only reason, is fertility rates, which we saw in

00:44:24.500 the 2000s among liberals at about 1.43 and conservatives 2.01.

00:44:28.520 Meaning, in 18 years, there will be 20 or so percent more conservatives than liberals

00:44:34.080 based on who their parents are teaching them.

00:44:36.120 Again, but that's assuming that these people, like, don't over time, like, shift back leftwards,

00:44:40.000 right?

00:44:40.280 And I think...

00:44:40.700 Well, if I could just respond a little bit...

00:44:42.800 I want to address that...

00:44:43.540 Sorry for talking so much, but I do want to address that point because you mentioned

00:44:46.180 it already about the universities.

00:44:47.580 Sure.

00:44:47.760 That's why I brought up South Park.

00:44:49.600 The cultural shift is pronounced.

00:44:51.880 The liberal woke stuff was shifted so rapidly in the course of a couple of years that when

00:44:57.180 you mentioned universities and the cultural trends to pull conservative kids left, that's

00:45:01.840 shifted dramatically.

00:45:03.220 I agree.

00:45:03.740 But I think assuming something like the universities are going to go away...

00:45:06.980 Like, the university institution has been around for, like, 2,000 years.

00:45:10.560 I don't think universities are going away.

00:45:12.560 And generally, universities tend to trend left because people who are leftward are high

00:45:16.740 openness to experience.

00:45:17.660 So they tend to like things like learning and education, right?

00:45:19.780 That what I think is actually more important here is, has the left failed to indoctrinate

00:45:25.340 within its culture a value of children?

00:45:27.800 I would just say, yeah.

00:45:28.860 I think it has, right?

00:45:30.380 But one thing that I would caution you towards, when you write this doomsday of feminism leading

00:45:34.600 to the collapse, decay of all of society, when you look at cultural trends, they're always

00:45:39.480 ebbing and flowing back and forth because one side starts winning the culture war and

00:45:43.320 the political war.

00:45:44.180 They get too much power.

00:45:45.440 They become kind of assholes because a lot of us are assholes with power.

00:45:48.040 And then the other side kind of populates and becomes more popular again, right?

00:45:51.340 And we've seen this dance back and forth between left and right winning the culture war and

00:45:56.460 leading all the time.

00:45:57.780 This is kind of what democracy is.

00:45:59.060 In fact, that's the fundamentals of what democracy is.

00:46:01.340 And so I don't think that we should be looking at feminism going, this is going to lead to

00:46:04.800 the death and decay of society.

00:46:06.300 We should go, what parts of it are bad?

00:46:08.400 What parts of the institutions are bad?

00:46:10.280 What things need to be corrected?

00:46:11.600 And how do we correct them?

00:46:12.720 Because so far, the miracle of the American project is pretty damn fucking good.

00:46:16.960 It's actually the best thing that's ever happened in human history, probably ever.

00:46:21.080 Okay?

00:46:21.460 We love America.

00:46:22.580 That's pretty nuanced.

00:46:23.460 I think that's the correct answer.

00:46:24.700 Give it up for Nasserida.

00:46:25.680 I think we can agree with that.

00:46:26.760 It is a good answer.

00:46:28.280 But I do want to make one point that's going on right now with Washington, D.C.

00:46:31.900 D.C. is, and it's not, you know, Trump focuses on D.C., but Chicago, all these big cities.

00:46:37.320 Like the cities?

00:46:37.820 Okay.

00:46:38.080 It's insane how disgusting and crime-ridden our cities have become.

00:46:40.920 I mean, we saw a tent city on the way here, and there's two questions.

00:46:44.520 Why does the city allow this?

00:46:46.220 And I don't mean to forcefully remove people with no choice.

00:46:49.680 You can make the liberal argument of, why are they not trying to help these people to

00:46:52.960 solve that problem?

00:46:53.580 Or the conservative argument, why are they allowing people to camp on their street?

00:46:56.780 Probably both.

00:46:57.300 Yeah, and we've got to get to people, and one thing we didn't talk about, but one point

00:47:00.280 I wanted to make earlier, the aspect of trans people taking, no, seriously, taking over

00:47:06.040 women's space, because you don't think that trans women are a threat to actual femininity

00:47:10.960 or whatever?

00:47:11.420 I mean, like a trans person going into a woman's restroom, like, isn't that against feminism?

00:47:16.000 I'm just for co-ed restrooms, because if you've ever seen, like, men's bathrooms versus,

00:47:19.700 yeah, if you've ever, travel, get a passport, I promise.

00:47:23.020 In Europe, they have mostly, oftentimes, co-ed bathrooms.

00:47:25.520 And one of the best things about it...

00:47:27.100 I had, like, nightclubs.

00:47:28.040 No, no, no, like, on, like, public streets, like, all through, like, Venice and stuff.

00:47:31.080 I remember going to co-ed bathrooms in the UK, like, in France, it was, like, totally normal.

00:47:35.580 Surprise, surprise.

00:47:36.720 France, yes, in France.

00:47:38.400 And one thing that I would actually point out here is if you've ever seen the lines

00:47:41.620 between, like, the male bathroom and the woman bathroom, it would be great if we were

00:47:44.260 sharing the same space, okay?

00:47:45.500 Come on.

00:47:45.840 We're having to get through the bathroom way fucking fast.

00:47:47.360 I'm sorry, I'm very passionate about this.

00:47:51.040 I'm very passionate about this.

00:47:52.360 Because sometimes the woman's bathroom is fucking disgusting because women will not

00:47:56.400 sit on the seat.

00:47:57.680 If you could just sit, everyone could sit.

00:48:00.220 They, like, hover over, and they, like, it looks like they were hula hooping and pissing

00:48:04.880 all over the place.

00:48:06.100 It's disgusting.

00:48:07.340 It could just be...

00:48:08.100 These guys really want you to know how dirty they're about.

00:48:10.360 Yeah, no, I'm sure they are, but you'd be...

00:48:12.720 If we could just sit, then we could all sit.

00:48:15.200 See?

00:48:15.700 Men are better at everything, even bathrooms.

00:48:17.280 We're better at everything, even bathrooms.

00:48:19.780 They can't even pee correctly.

00:48:21.260 Well, I didn't say that, but...

00:48:22.540 She's crazy.

00:48:23.520 You guys...

00:48:24.140 I'm telling you guys.

00:48:24.500 There was this very funny story.

00:48:25.760 Prove my point.

00:48:26.640 Real quick, we're going to go to the audience, but there was a really funny story where this

00:48:30.520 woman was an Antarctic researcher complaining about sexism because she couldn't stand up

00:48:34.780 and piss in Antarctica.

00:48:35.720 And so she was insisting that the U.S. spend research, like, their research grant money

00:48:40.540 on building outhouses in the middle of Antarctica because it was sexist that men could unzip

00:48:44.940 and release, and she couldn't, and she didn't think it was...

00:48:47.980 She didn't want to use one of those funnels.

00:48:49.280 They have the funnel, yeah, I don't know.

00:48:50.500 She should just use the funnel.

00:48:51.300 My mom used one for years.

00:48:52.780 We're not spending one an outhouse.

00:48:53.720 Look, the penis tech is a good tech, I will say.

00:48:56.020 That shit of spraying around, that's pretty cool.

00:48:57.900 All right, guys, this has been a good debate so far.

00:49:00.380 We got the one here, right?

00:49:00.840 Yeah, I got the list right here.

00:49:01.940 Okay, guys, so what we're going to do is we're going to pick some names, and you're going to

00:49:04.340 immediately haul ass to this side of the stage where I'm pointing.

00:49:07.880 We're going to have a microphone.

00:49:08.880 If you're good for a minute, we might bring you on stage.

00:49:10.900 If you suck, we're going to make you sit down, okay?

00:49:13.200 So even though the order...

00:49:14.800 Now you know what Alex thinks about you.

00:49:15.880 Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm just going to be open and honest, guys.

00:49:18.740 All right, so our first person that we're calling is...

00:49:21.700 Let's go from the list.

00:49:22.460 Yeah, yeah, we are.

00:49:23.820 Armand Gupta.

00:49:24.960 Where's Armand Gupta?

00:49:26.080 Oh, I remember this guy.

00:49:27.820 I think Alex got funny in the first one.

00:49:29.020 No, I think I'm going to kick him off.

00:49:30.280 Yeah, Armand.

00:49:31.320 Is Armand Gupta here?

00:49:34.340 Armand, is Armand...

00:49:35.120 I can't see anything because I like him.

00:49:36.320 Dr. Gupta, come on down.

00:49:37.660 Is he here?

00:49:38.780 I guess he's not here.

00:49:39.440 Okay, well then...

00:49:40.100 All right, I like this person.

00:49:42.960 Ava Terry.

00:49:43.920 Is Ava Terry here?

00:49:45.920 Ava, come on down.

00:49:46.780 He's right here, too.

00:49:47.280 Look at this.

00:49:48.160 Rapid response.

00:49:49.580 All right, Ava, you've got one minute.

00:49:50.800 Okay, it's Ava.

00:49:52.380 Nice to see you guys.

00:49:54.480 My first thing I would like to say is the man on the far left over here, what was your name

00:50:00.300 again?

00:50:01.240 Myron?

00:50:01.620 Myron.

00:50:01.960 Myron, yeah.

00:50:02.540 I would just like to say that your rhetoric sounds exactly like third wave radical feminism

00:50:06.620 but for a man.

00:50:07.920 And I was just wondering how you expect to solve a problem by doing the exact same thing

00:50:13.300 that you think is the problem.

00:50:15.260 Well, because when men have a monopoly of power, good things happen.

00:50:18.460 When women have it, society crumbles.

00:50:20.140 Come on up, come on up, Ava.

00:50:20.880 That's good.

00:50:21.400 She's smart.

00:50:21.920 No, the other way.

00:50:22.380 Just come this way.

00:50:23.000 No, this way.

00:50:24.020 Come on down.

00:50:25.500 I like it when she's...

00:50:26.380 She's spicy.

00:50:27.000 Yeah, she's making fun of Myron.

00:50:28.540 Ava, Ava, give it up.

00:50:29.760 Ava.

00:50:30.040 All right.

00:50:31.500 Ava or Ava?

00:50:32.660 Ava.

00:50:34.560 Like from Wallow.

00:50:36.000 How are you?

00:50:37.040 Is it Ava or Igua?

00:50:38.900 Ava.

00:50:39.500 Ava, okay.

00:50:40.640 So explain why Myron was wrong again.

00:50:44.100 She said I'm radical, basically.

00:50:45.900 Well, I would just, I just think that your rhetoric is exactly the same thing that you

00:50:49.420 hate.

00:50:50.200 Okay.

00:50:50.840 And I was wondering how you think that's going to solve the problem.

00:50:55.060 If women hating men is what has caused this problem in the first place, how is men hating

00:51:00.540 women going to fix it?

00:51:01.840 Yeah, so it's not us hating you guys.

00:51:03.480 It's just us realizing that you guys are not equal to us and we have to be the custodians

00:51:07.300 of women.

00:51:07.800 We have to protect and provide for you guys.

00:51:09.140 I'm actually very big into a traditional relationship where the man is the leader, protects and

00:51:12.800 provides for his woman and all she has to worry about is making sandwiches and taking

00:51:15.600 care of the kids.

00:51:16.500 And I think that's how societies thrive for a long time.

00:51:18.660 So it's actually the contrary.

00:51:19.600 I think men need to protect women from themselves a lot of the times because I don't think women

00:51:23.120 in positions of power leads to a great society.

00:51:26.060 So one other thing that you said earlier was that men being in power has led to a great

00:51:31.860 history.

00:51:32.820 Yes.

00:51:33.260 Do you think that the history of men being in power is flawless?

00:51:35.900 No, there's always going to be flaws with human error in general.

00:51:39.060 So human error in general, that includes men and women.

00:51:41.380 And why would women have more error than men?

00:51:44.120 Well, here's the thing.

00:51:45.260 We don't have any matriarchies that have stood the test of time, really.

00:51:48.320 Everything that's been successful has been a patriarchy.

00:51:51.000 Except for beehives.

00:51:52.040 And there's a bunch of beehives.

00:51:53.600 We're not bees, though.

00:51:54.760 We're not bees.

00:51:55.560 I hate stuff like that.

00:51:56.480 Except for bees.

00:51:57.440 We're not bees.

00:51:58.580 Sorry, Ava.

00:51:59.500 We're not bees.

00:52:00.600 Wait, but if we just granted your evolutionary argument of development, yeah, patriarchies have

00:52:04.940 been the most competitive.

00:52:05.940 And now what we're seeing is that an egalitarian society that includes women in the workforce

00:52:09.920 and the right to vote are the most successful societies in March.

00:52:12.880 It seems like we've just continued to advance, and the next level of advancement is the inclusion

00:52:16.860 of women.

00:52:17.680 No.

00:52:18.160 I don't know what to tell you.

00:52:19.340 History disagrees.

00:52:20.100 No.

00:52:20.940 Again, feminism has led to so many problems with this whole egalitarianism because, again...

00:52:26.100 So Saudi Arabia is better than America.

00:52:28.180 I'm sorry?

00:52:28.660 Saudi Arabia is better than America.

00:52:30.000 We're back here.

00:52:30.380 You are correct about that, but they have some things in better check than we do when

00:52:33.600 it comes to dealing with their women, right?

00:52:35.320 But yes, to go back to what we're saying, I think a male-led society is going to fare

00:52:39.560 off a lot better than a female-led society is my point.

00:52:42.000 Everything is going to be prone to human error, but I think when men are in charge, there's

00:52:45.020 going to be less error.

00:52:46.840 Do you...

00:52:47.380 Okay.

00:52:50.080 Hmm.

00:52:50.400 I would just say to that, that throughout history, you know, and you think about all

00:52:57.660 of the major wars and everything, are we in a significantly different place on a world

00:53:03.700 cultural scale than men-led societies?

00:53:07.820 I'm a little confused by your question.

00:53:09.480 Are you saying, like, are we...

00:53:10.880 With women having the right to vote, has that changed?

00:53:14.480 Have there been more wars since women have been given the right to vote?

00:53:19.160 I think yes.

00:53:20.740 In the United States?

00:53:22.180 And without declaration of war.

00:53:24.240 Yeah.

00:53:24.480 Are you saying, like, in the United States?

00:53:25.880 Yeah, you can make the argument.

00:53:26.780 Yeah.

00:53:27.180 I mean, again, my thing is, I think that men are better than women in everything that matters,

00:53:34.100 and I think men need to lead society, and I think women should be focusing on having children

00:53:38.060 and families versus chasing a career.

00:53:39.820 And if we are going to allow them to go ahead and chase a career, let's at least be honest

00:53:42.780 with them and let them know that this is going to come with some very serious consequences

00:53:46.000 that might lead to your long-term sorrow, sadness, antidepressant medication, etc.

00:53:50.780 I just don't think that we're honest with women about where they stand.

00:53:53.700 Would you have children through an artificial womb?

00:53:56.620 No.

00:53:58.240 If men are so much better than women, then why are they failing so much at things like education

00:54:01.960 and achieving, like, high-status jobs?

00:54:04.000 Why are women failing?

00:54:04.400 Because the education system is literally geared towards women.

00:54:06.460 So women have been, like, more powerful.

00:54:07.520 Sitting down and being submissive and listening to someone lecture you.

00:54:09.520 I just, I don't, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:54:11.960 But hold on, career-wise, almost most of the Fortune 500 companies are run by men.

00:54:18.340 I agree, but the issue is that, like, if men are so much better than women, then how are

00:54:22.080 we in this position where, like, suddenly men are also, like, being, like, destroyed by society

00:54:26.320 and crushed by them?

00:54:27.040 Like, we can't have these two mutually exclusive things at the same time.

00:54:29.980 What I would actually argue is that men are stupid in a lot of stupid ways.

00:54:33.260 You guys punch things.

00:54:34.440 Stop doing that.

00:54:35.300 You guys masturbate all the time.

00:54:37.280 Stop doing that.

00:54:38.100 Chill out.

00:54:38.380 Women masturbate, too.

00:54:39.780 Women, but a lot fucking less.

00:54:42.020 A lot fucking less.

00:54:43.020 You guys have, like, battery-powered dildo.

00:54:44.720 I think you guys masturbate a lot.

00:54:45.640 Billions to be made.

00:54:46.640 Nobody's going to make the argument that porn is more...

00:54:48.520 In fact, the WNBA has just become the dildo show.

00:54:51.060 Yes!

00:54:51.820 Sure.

00:54:52.120 More dildos in the WNBA!

00:54:56.120 Sure, but nobody would argue that women are actually consuming more porn than men.

00:54:59.540 Porn is obviously dominantly male-consumed and male OnlyFans as mostly purchased

00:55:03.200 for by men, okay?

00:55:05.300 Yeah.

00:55:05.820 Sad men.

00:55:06.960 Okay.

00:55:07.180 But I do want to stress this point.

00:55:08.980 Goddamn juice.

00:55:09.500 There's an argument.

00:55:10.420 There's an argument.

00:55:10.960 Come up.

00:55:11.400 Come up.

00:55:12.120 Submit your name, guys, if you want to talk to me.

00:55:14.200 Greater male variability hypothesis.

00:55:16.940 There are a shitload of really shitty guys, but there's a smaller amount of substantially

00:55:22.060 more successful, intelligent, and strong guys than women.

00:55:25.120 But this is like the hypergamy argument.

00:55:28.900 No, it's the greater male variability hypothesis.

00:55:30.640 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:55:30.940 I would agree.

00:55:31.660 When you look at the extreme ends of genetics, men tend to be the stupidest and the smartest.

00:55:37.040 If you look at the lowest IQ individuals, sorry, guys, it's men.

00:55:40.720 But when you look at the highest IQ individuals, it's also men, right?

00:55:44.220 Women are a lot more stable in a lot of things, which is, I think, one of the things that,

00:55:47.280 yes, stable.

00:55:48.340 For example, their bell curve is more flattened.

00:55:50.980 You're not going to get the extreme ends on either side, which is good for society.

00:55:54.220 Let me ask you a question.

00:55:55.180 Is it better for society to be led by the smartest individuals?

00:55:59.480 Not always, necessarily.

00:56:00.740 Like, this idea of like a...

00:56:02.060 Sometimes a stupider individual?

00:56:02.860 Well, no, like, mostly virtuous.

00:56:05.520 I want the society to be led by...

00:56:06.160 No, no, no, irrespective of virtue, let's assume that we're aiming for virtuous people.

00:56:10.180 Would we...

00:56:10.660 Of the virtuous people we've identified, we want the smartest of them, right?

00:56:14.480 Well, I want to answer this one.

00:56:15.340 I would just say we have a...

00:56:15.960 Well, because there's two parts of our brain.

00:56:17.580 There's the logical part, there's the emotional part.

00:56:18.680 I got to ask this question.

00:56:21.120 He wants to appeal to my feelings, too.

00:56:22.480 So, let's say we've looked at the most virtuous people in the country.

00:56:26.180 Would we want to choose the smartest of them to be our leaders?

00:56:30.140 Assuming that they're like actually qualified, sure, I suppose.

00:56:33.740 Like aptitude, let's say aptitude.

00:56:35.440 Yeah, sure, the highest aptitude.

00:56:37.200 I just think that for the most part when it comes to leadership, it's more about a prerequisite,

00:56:40.300 which is a really high prerequisite.

00:56:41.640 But then after that, humans actually exist.

00:56:43.320 When you look at Fortune 500 companies, with or without feminism, the only way to get parity

00:56:48.760 of female leaders is through force.

00:56:50.860 I don't want parity.

00:56:51.140 It's through social force.

00:56:52.160 I don't want parity.

00:56:52.660 I'm not saying you do.

00:56:53.160 I'm just making this point that with the greater male variability hypothesis, you are

00:56:57.780 going to see most world leaders will always be men.

00:57:00.060 Most CEOs will always be men.

00:57:01.820 The top physical performers will be men.

00:57:03.540 Most of the homeless will be men.

00:57:04.700 And most of the drug addicted and most of the criminals will also be men.

00:57:06.560 Indeed.

00:57:07.140 The point I'm making is there are very, very few positions of power and authority.

00:57:10.460 And because there are going to be a greater male variability and aptitude, you will always

00:57:15.820 see these positions as dominated by men.

00:57:17.580 However, modern feminism, especially throughout the past 80 years or so, always has said it's

00:57:22.380 a patriarchy run by men.

00:57:23.620 No, it's a system run by those most capable that happen to be men.

00:57:27.120 Well, I want to make this argument, and it's an oversimplification, but basically our brain

00:57:30.880 has two hemispheres, right and left.

00:57:32.280 And there's one that they consider more emotional and one that's more logical, and that they

00:57:36.640 say men use the logical side and women use the emotional side more.

00:57:39.520 And I would argue that if you're more emotionally intelligent, that could make up for your logical

00:57:43.920 intelligence.

00:57:44.420 So even though you're not like a brainiac, a woman that has smart, emotional intelligence

00:57:49.640 can be just as successful.

00:57:51.200 You don't agree.

00:57:51.740 You're trying to open your pocket.

00:57:52.240 I know, God, I'm just saying, you don't agree that how that can, or I guess Myron, I

00:57:55.220 mean, you don't think that that can overcome for logical intelligence, emotional intelligence?

00:57:58.760 That's not a thing.

00:57:59.340 Well, that is a thing.

00:58:00.420 There's emotional stability and rationality.

00:58:02.760 There's emotional intelligence.

00:58:03.900 That's a real thing.

00:58:04.360 Yeah, because it makes it like when somebody provokes you, whether you react, men are more

00:58:07.740 reactionary, women are less reactionary.

00:58:09.440 So the emotional part of your brain is actually very important.

00:58:11.700 Even when you're driving, like if you get mad in road rage, like yes.

00:58:14.760 That's just more greater male variability of stuff.

00:58:17.140 Like the guys who are going to be the best are going to be calm, reasoned, and the same

00:58:20.160 thing is true for women, but there will be more men than women.

00:58:22.600 But on average, women are more reasonable than men because they use...

00:58:26.600 Agreeable.

00:58:26.940 Agreeable is really, really important when you predict for people who are like rising

00:58:32.680 to the top of like organizing people.

00:58:34.660 Agreeability and the ability to work with others is an essential part, particularly of

00:58:38.500 our modern like economy.

00:58:40.100 I disagree.

00:58:40.780 That's how you get a bunch of yes men circle jerking each other.

00:58:42.880 No, not at all.

00:58:43.780 Being agreeable doesn't mean that you don't have boundaries, right?

00:58:45.860 Being agreeable means that you can like see what the priorities are and you can try to

00:58:49.440 work together and find cohesiveness.

00:58:50.780 I don't know what to tell you when it comes to like some of the best managers and some

00:58:54.200 of the best like high senior VPs.

00:58:55.960 The reality is that agreeableness predicts really strongly for this.

00:58:59.460 The only people where disagreeable is predicts is typically for the CEO.

00:59:02.580 But again, I don't have an issue with like men being CEOs necessarily.

00:59:05.560 I would just like to say, so I'm not for like the infantilization of women in any capacity,

00:59:11.320 whether that's women.

00:59:12.420 And I just would like it to be a level playing field in terms of some women will go out and

00:59:16.920 be successful and have very successful high earning careers such as myself.

00:59:21.840 And all, but without needing to be like calling my dad to ask if I can fuck a guy or whatever

00:59:28.680 it is that Myron wants, either side of that infantilization, I'm against.

00:59:33.580 I'm a human being with agency.

00:59:36.340 If you ask your dad.

00:59:37.220 If I ask my dad.

00:59:38.140 So, cause you said that before, right?

00:59:39.680 Like mating decisions.

00:59:40.900 So should I call my dad and ask if I can fuck or should I just call my dad and ask if he

00:59:43.820 has to pull out?

00:59:44.500 Well, I, I, I, my thing is you should be calling your dad.

00:59:47.060 Well, you just exposed yourself as a 304, but that's fine.

00:59:50.500 I mean, I think you should be.

00:59:51.640 That's okay.

00:59:51.840 You can sit and call a married woman with a child a hoe.

00:59:54.800 That says a lot more about you than it does about me.

00:59:56.920 Well, you're the one making crash jokes.

00:59:58.780 So I'm jumping in with you.

00:59:59.840 So the point is, is that I think the father should actually be involved.

01:00:02.700 I think the father, I think the, I think the father should be involved actually in

01:00:06.920 the mating process with a woman.

01:00:08.040 I think the dad should actually be intimately involved with picking the guy because when

01:00:11.320 women are left.

01:00:12.100 Hey dad, can I fuck?

01:00:13.240 That is kind of weird.

01:00:14.220 All right.

01:00:14.520 Hey dad, should he pull out?

01:00:16.580 Does he like hold your hand while you do it?

01:00:18.380 That's the future you want?

01:00:19.980 Is he pushing his asses a little bit more to help?

01:00:22.200 Here we go.

01:00:22.920 She's not even going to let me speak.

01:00:24.300 It's very simple.

01:00:25.340 So I actually think that father should be involved in their daughter's mating decisions because

01:00:30.660 here's the thing with women.

01:00:32.060 You guys tend to pick the bad boy or the guy that might not necessarily be the best long-term

01:00:35.960 shooter when you're at your highest value.

01:00:37.620 So when the father comes in, he's able to assess this guy and be like, no, this guy

01:00:40.580 doesn't really want you for you.

01:00:41.880 He just wants to use you for sex.

01:00:43.300 I don't want this guy.

01:00:44.080 I'm going to go find you another guy that's going to actually, you know, love you and

01:00:46.900 be with you long-term and provision.

01:00:48.520 This is why arranged marriages work for so long.

01:00:50.720 Women are able to make their own decisions.

01:00:52.200 They do dumb shit.

01:00:53.340 So it is what it is.

01:00:54.800 It's like when the, when the farmer dad chases the guy out of the house with a shotgun

01:00:57.900 saying, get away from my daughter.

01:00:59.040 No, it's like when Hulk Hogan called Brooke Hogan's boyfriend.

01:01:01.760 We got him in the middle of the house.

01:01:03.460 Yeah.

01:01:03.580 Next person.

01:01:04.520 Real quick.

01:01:04.900 Come up to the stage.

01:01:05.940 We got Carly Nocta.

01:01:08.060 Carly Nocta.

01:01:08.980 Are you here?

01:01:09.560 Carly Nocta.

01:01:11.340 What?

01:01:11.820 Okay.

01:01:12.220 No Carly Nocta.

01:01:13.380 These people were like, I want to come up and debate, but I'm not going to show up.

01:01:15.420 Yeah.

01:01:15.720 All right.

01:01:16.320 Our next person, Jay Zollers.

01:01:18.260 Is Jay Zollers here?

01:01:19.460 Jay, get your ass up here.

01:01:20.860 I see you getting up.

01:01:21.580 Give it up for Jay.

01:01:22.460 Is that a beer?

01:01:23.200 He's got a beer.

01:01:24.140 I hope he's drunk.

01:01:24.680 I hope he's wasted.

01:01:28.220 Come on down, Jay.

01:01:29.480 Alex, you want him straight up on stage?

01:01:31.160 No, no, no, no.

01:01:32.000 Let's see what he's got.

01:01:32.980 This guy's drunk, probably.

01:01:34.460 Come on.

01:01:36.720 All right.

01:01:37.360 As there's obviously a fertility crisis all across the world, Japan, Korea, United States,

01:01:42.960 everything, there should be certain things that need to be implemented to fix that.

01:01:46.920 But let's be honest.

01:01:47.900 Should people who do not have children collect social security?

01:01:51.580 Where should they be banned from getting social security at the end of the day?

01:01:55.580 What?

01:01:56.240 Make that a requirement for social security is having kids.

01:01:59.520 That's retarded.

01:02:00.420 Who cares?

01:02:04.660 Okay.

01:02:05.040 You got something better than that?

01:02:06.000 Let's go.

01:02:06.280 Oh, no, man.

01:02:07.300 Like, just enjoy the time.

01:02:08.120 All right.

01:02:08.280 Go sit down, Jay.

01:02:09.040 Go sit down.

01:02:09.580 Thank you.

01:02:09.920 I want my life.

01:02:12.000 You're still the light.

01:02:12.900 Give it up.

01:02:13.400 Give it up.

01:02:14.080 It is a good point.

01:02:15.280 I didn't see that one coming.

01:02:16.000 It is a good point, but it's very granular to the whole debate that the system that we

01:02:20.060 have now is overly compassionate to the point of detriment.

01:02:25.240 Well, I got the next person I'm calling up.

01:02:27.400 She can come straight up here.

01:02:28.400 Amber Duke.

01:02:29.120 Where's Amber Duke?

01:02:30.020 Come on.

01:02:30.920 Amber.

01:02:31.800 Come on down, Amber.

01:02:33.820 Amber's a beast.

01:02:35.080 I'm curious to see what side she's going to take, though.

01:02:37.860 Did they autograph the muster?

01:02:38.900 There's so much nuance, though.

01:02:39.880 Okay.

01:02:40.680 See, that is the thing.

01:02:41.700 The thing is, Myron, that's the only complaint that I really have, though, is that I do think

01:02:45.300 it is a nuanced situation, right?

01:02:47.380 Like, women aren't all retarded and dumb, you know?

01:02:50.340 Just a lot of them.

01:02:50.900 Just a majority out there.

01:02:52.560 A lot of them.

01:02:53.360 My husband would agree with you, but I had a question.

01:02:56.900 Smart guy.

01:02:57.420 Are you religious?

01:02:58.580 No.

01:02:59.000 Okay.

01:02:59.460 I was just curious because I explained a lot of your comments, but I actually wanted

01:03:03.180 to challenge you on your claim that women don't have empathy.

01:03:06.020 Okay, sure.

01:03:06.900 I actually think the problem-

01:03:07.980 Let me clarify, though.

01:03:08.860 When I talk about empathy, I mean as in to the masculine experience and how men-

01:03:12.320 Oh, it's okay.

01:03:12.640 Like, to us, because-

01:03:14.480 And this is why so many women struggle with keeping a guy long-term.

01:03:16.840 Like, men have to understand women to get laid.

01:03:19.020 Women don't have to understand us to get laid.

01:03:20.720 Okay.

01:03:21.000 Does that make sense?

01:03:21.440 Sure.

01:03:21.500 Isn't it that men can't keep a woman long-term since they're the ones divorcing him?

01:03:24.820 What was that?

01:03:25.360 Isn't it that men can't keep women long-term since women are the ones initiating most divorce?

01:03:28.840 Well, what I'm saying is that a lot of modern-day women, when I talk to them, and they

01:03:31.920 say, like, one of the top questions I get with girls is, like, well, what do guys want?

01:03:35.900 Especially more attractive men.

01:03:37.260 And it's amazing to me that they even have to ask that, because with men, if we don't

01:03:41.100 know what women want, we just have to deal with the consequences.

01:03:43.360 But with women, they can kind of get along in life and meet guys and date and everything

01:03:47.280 without really knowing what men want.

01:03:49.060 But yeah, sorry.

01:03:49.720 Yeah.

01:03:50.020 So my point about empathy was actually that I think the reason, perhaps, why you think

01:03:54.580 women don't have empathy is because of these issues we're talking about with women getting

01:03:59.520 married later in life and having children later in life.

01:04:01.940 The empathy is not directed towards the family unit anymore, and it's actually extrapolated

01:04:06.980 to outside groups, which is why we see things like tent cities and an outsized focus on

01:04:11.040 minority groups.

01:04:12.540 Yeah.

01:04:12.700 I mean, like I said before, they can absolutely have sympathy.

01:04:14.980 But when I'm talking about empathy specifically, I'm talking about the male experience and

01:04:18.120 like kind of how men go through things in life.

01:04:20.640 Like, I don't think women are empathetic to the masculine experience.

01:04:23.040 Whereas like men, we have to understand women to some level if we want to be successful.

01:04:27.220 And if you look at guys that like are really good with women, like pickup artists or dating

01:04:30.560 coaches or whatever, they have a very fine-tuned understanding and empathy to women because

01:04:34.680 they're trying to get laid.

01:04:35.780 So they have to be able to think ahead on what the woman's going to expect, what she's

01:04:39.240 going to want, the type of vibe she's going to want when it comes to, you know, making

01:04:42.840 something sexual.

01:04:43.560 So I argue that men are far more empathetic than women are, especially guys that are good

01:04:47.860 with women.

01:04:48.440 I don't think women are empathetic to men because they don't have to be.

01:04:50.820 I got to disagree with that because you're also making the point that women aren't getting

01:04:55.360 good guys because they're hypergamous.

01:04:57.840 And so if women are going to suffer later in life because they can't get a good guy who

01:05:02.500 wants to help them have a family and be a strong protector, that is a detriment to women by,

01:05:06.380 I guess what I'm saying is women need to be empathetic to the male experience if they

01:05:10.120 want to have a successful family and relationship.

01:05:11.680 That's right.

01:05:12.360 Yes.

01:05:12.720 But they have, that comes through them learning.

01:05:14.400 And my thing is I'm saying, yes, there are some women are capable of doing that, right?

01:05:17.660 I've noticed girls that have like a strong father, a lot of brothers, like they get it.

01:05:21.640 But I'm saying a lot of women don't.

01:05:23.400 And they're still able to get through life fairly easily without knowing it.

01:05:26.760 And it isn't until maybe later on.

01:05:28.240 So to clarify, it's not intrinsic to being a woman.

01:05:30.260 It is cultural.

01:05:31.520 Yes.

01:05:32.180 There's no need because no one gives a fuck about men in general.

01:05:34.440 So most women are kind of like, well, why do I got to understand this guy?

01:05:37.140 I'm hot.

01:05:37.700 Like, take me out.

01:05:38.280 But just to clarify again, so if women were raised by good dads, they would understand

01:05:41.660 this you're saying?

01:05:43.040 Most women I've met that understand this, they come from either a strong patriarch with a

01:05:46.540 father, uncle, or brothers when they do have it.

01:05:49.100 They have like strong.

01:05:49.440 Did you have something to say?

01:05:50.860 Well, I mean, I have a wonderful father.

01:05:53.780 I would say I'm very grateful to have a wonderful father.

01:05:56.160 And it's been such a joy to watch my husband be such a wonderful father.

01:06:01.520 And we're raising a little boy who is going to grow up and be a wonderful father, I hope.

01:06:05.800 And Myron, I hope that someday you can be as happy in a relationship as I am in mine.

01:06:11.260 Yo, Myron's going to have a daughter and his whole show's going to shift.

01:06:14.060 He's going to be a raging liberal.

01:06:15.080 I want to say one thing to Kat, though.

01:06:17.380 Kat.

01:06:18.360 No daughter.

01:06:19.360 Well, I do want to say, though, that you are a female comedian, very successful, and

01:06:24.820 a male-dominated industry.

01:06:26.120 Yeah.

01:06:26.400 Wouldn't you give a lot of credit to having a strong father?

01:06:28.820 I give a credit to having a strong father every single day.

01:06:31.800 I talk to my dad every day.

01:06:33.720 I am so grateful, so grateful to have the father that I have.

01:06:36.720 And I think that men that are as wonderful as my father deserve all the credit in the world.

01:06:41.900 Is he funny?

01:06:42.980 He is funny.

01:06:43.660 I think that's a lot of, even in the black community, obviously, I think it's a lot of

01:06:48.800 the broken home situations, Myron, that there's actually a lot of examples where black guys

01:06:52.820 have both parents there, and they're incredibly successful.

01:06:54.760 So I think that the way that people are brought up, the patriarchy, or whatever you want to

01:06:58.720 call it, is very important to their, you know.

01:07:00.640 Well, yeah, I've always said it, that strong dads keep daughters off shirt poles and sons

01:07:03.960 out of jail.

01:07:04.580 It's very important.

01:07:05.400 But isn't part of the issue that we're outlining here that you're saying is that society doesn't

01:07:09.440 have empathy towards men, which I would actually just agree with.

01:07:11.600 There's really good research on this, actually.

01:07:13.160 If you look at, like, the age at which we view boys becoming men, it almost completely

01:07:18.020 overlaps with the spike of suicide rates amongst young boys, which is about the age of 14.

01:07:22.820 So I would actually wholly agree with you that society doesn't have, like, empathy for men

01:07:26.400 in any way, shape, or form, right?

01:07:28.480 And we have this kind of weird, infantilized empathy for women that I think is actually

01:07:33.020 harmful to them in a lot of ways because it robs them of a lot of their agency.

01:07:36.080 But when you're saying, like, it's women that don't have empathy for men, I feel like you're

01:07:39.720 actually missing, like, 50% of the pie.

01:07:41.720 When it's society, nobody cares about men.

01:07:44.580 They don't care that you're struggling.

01:07:45.620 They don't care that you're lonely.

01:07:46.660 They think your tears are gross.

01:07:48.480 And I think that that's a horrible state.

01:07:50.200 But I don't think this is a woman-driven thing.

01:07:52.380 This is a societal issue.

01:07:54.380 I want to say this point, too, the infantilization of women.

01:07:58.220 I think that it's very obvious, though, that women's social power only goes down with age

01:08:03.980 as men's go up.

01:08:05.860 So it's directly inverse.

01:08:07.560 So you would want to infantilize a woman because her value is more when she's younger.

01:08:12.740 So she would want to skew and tend to be more young.

01:08:16.040 I mean, isn't that right?

01:08:16.980 I think we should only infantilize children.

01:08:18.540 I don't think adults...

01:08:19.680 I'm not pro, but I'm saying, isn't that...

01:08:20.860 I don't like infantilizing adults.

01:08:22.140 I understand why.

01:08:23.180 I think you're right as to why we oftentimes systemically infantilize women more.

01:08:27.700 I just think it's harmful to both women and to men because it leads to this really weird

01:08:31.740 disjunct where if a woman is sexually aggressive with a man, people are like,

01:08:35.020 ha, ha, ha, he probably loved it.

01:08:36.660 But if a man does the same thing towards the same age woman role, he's a monster.

01:08:40.600 And I think that creates this disjoint of unparody that I think is harmful and devalues

01:08:46.680 men in a way that they don't think is good.

01:08:48.160 Yeah, I mean, again, I'm not sitting here trying to feel sad, but I'm just saying this is just

01:08:51.960 the honest reality when it comes to how women deal with men and how men deal with women.

01:08:55.740 Men have to understand women, whereas women don't really have to understand men to be

01:08:59.060 able to get the same access, right?

01:09:00.780 But if they understood women better, they'd probably have longer marriages and women would

01:09:04.140 be leaving them less often, I'm assuming, right?

01:09:06.020 Because women cite the same reasons over and over for why they end the marriages.

01:09:09.360 Even though I would argue to women, there should probably be more work that's done.

01:09:12.480 Women end relationships a lot of times because they have this concept that they should always

01:09:15.700 be happy and that overrides duty to the family.

01:09:18.620 So that's another reason, too, why women end marriages and relationships because we tell

01:09:23.020 women that their happiness overrides everything.

01:09:25.040 And they'll be like, oh, you know what?

01:09:25.760 I could do better.

01:09:26.400 Like women have this perpetual, the grass is greener onto the side.

01:09:29.100 I could do better.

01:09:29.680 I could do better.

01:09:30.220 It's usually I could do better without.

01:09:31.980 It's usually why they're leaving men.

01:09:33.380 They don't say I can find a new man who's better.

01:09:35.280 They say I'd rather be single than fucking put up with each other.

01:09:37.860 That's usually why women leave men.

01:09:39.360 I have a stupid, uninformed hypothesis where I think women will average at a slight state

01:09:45.540 of discontent relative to men.

01:09:47.540 And the reason why I think that might be is that imagine there's two tribal, you know,

01:09:52.820 plains, savannah-dwelling humans, two tribes, and in one, the woman is always content with

01:09:58.920 what is.

01:09:59.920 So the guy comes back and says, hey, I caught us some fish.

01:10:02.940 We have food for the day.

01:10:03.600 And she goes, that's perfect.

01:10:04.960 The other woman in the other tribe is, no matter what happens, she's always a little

01:10:08.660 unhappy and demanding more of the man.

01:10:10.640 So he says, I brought enough fish for food.

01:10:12.240 And she goes, why am I only getting two fish?

01:10:13.660 This is bullshit.

01:10:14.260 I want three fish.

01:10:15.140 And he goes, okay, I'll go get you more fish.

01:10:16.240 Jeez, calm down.

01:10:17.440 One day, there's a famine.

01:10:19.600 The woman who was always complaining has more and survives.

01:10:22.920 And the woman who was content does not.

01:10:24.460 It's not to dig on women.

01:10:25.480 I'm saying that women are demanding of their men because they want to survive.

01:10:29.240 And so they constantly expect more from men.

01:10:31.220 Yeah.

01:10:31.440 I mean, when it comes to, like I've said this, women get mad at me when I say this, but like,

01:10:34.380 women are literally designed to extract value from men.

01:10:36.420 Like that is what they're designed to do.

01:10:37.640 We're designed to provide value.

01:10:38.760 Their values, what they do is extract value.

01:10:41.440 This is why I like-

01:10:41.880 But you don't got to say it in such a thick way.

01:10:43.320 You know what I mean?

01:10:43.760 Yeah.

01:10:44.040 But it's the truth.

01:10:44.360 Amber, what do you have to say, Amber?

01:10:45.700 This is the truth.

01:10:46.240 Well, you're asking her to commit 18 years of her life and to carry a body that is destructive

01:10:51.460 to our body.

01:10:52.340 Being able to bear a child is like-

01:10:54.420 We understand.

01:10:55.720 Annihilates our body.

01:10:56.380 It is hard.

01:10:56.560 But the point I'm trying to make is that women are literally designed to extract value from men.

01:11:00.620 But you're narrativizing it in a way that I think is unfair.

01:11:02.480 This is why when a man makes more, when a woman makes more money than her man, she starts

01:11:07.940 to think like, what the hell is going on here?

01:11:09.460 Like women are not designed to provide long-term provisioning to a man.

01:11:13.200 That's only true.

01:11:14.160 That's only true that when women earn more than their male partners, that it's a problem

01:11:17.540 for the relationship.

01:11:18.180 If the male has a very traditional view of masculinity, and she does too, the moment

01:11:22.040 that you remove a traditional view of masculinity where, for example, the woman goes like, I'm

01:11:25.840 the breadwinner and that's totally fine with me.

01:11:27.940 Suddenly the relationship is completely balanced out.

01:11:30.100 The data is just robust in this.

01:11:31.580 I wanted to ask you.

01:11:32.580 Yeah, it is.

01:11:33.380 Women don't do well when they're in the distribution.

01:11:34.580 One last thing, Amber.

01:11:35.420 They were to bring somebody else up.

01:11:35.880 I just wanted to ask you.

01:11:36.660 It is also in my experience, I would say not every man could be with me.

01:11:40.980 I think a lot of men have, being with me, felt emasculated.

01:11:45.120 That's cute.

01:11:45.960 Have felt emasculated by me.

01:11:47.540 You could never handle me, Myron.

01:11:48.800 That's obvious.

01:11:49.300 I wouldn't want to.

01:11:50.060 That's obvious.

01:11:50.680 Thank God.

01:11:51.280 And I would never either.

01:11:52.760 I would never either.

01:11:54.480 But my man is very, very masculine.

01:11:56.580 He's feeling very, very, very strong and able to be with me.

01:12:00.540 Let's try and get Amber in.

01:12:01.600 All right.

01:12:01.940 All right.

01:12:02.660 Broad question for the group.

01:12:04.700 Sure.

01:12:05.380 Calm down.

01:12:06.060 Calm down.

01:12:06.800 I want to get everyone's opinion on this.

01:12:09.340 I had to push a baby out of my vagina.

01:12:11.960 That's about as feminine as you can get.

01:12:13.980 Well, men can't have babies.

01:12:15.500 You talk like a guy.

01:12:16.980 You have a deep voice.

01:12:17.680 I want to focus this one on third wave feminism specifically and what I think the underlying

01:12:24.340 issue is because I'm not, Myron, I'm not arguing for women to not get the right to vote,

01:12:29.460 et cetera.

01:12:30.100 But if we look at third wave feminism, I think one of the distinct problems with it is that

01:12:34.460 it's not that women shouldn't be considered equal to men.

01:12:38.800 It's that third wave feminism pushed the message that men and women were the same.

01:12:43.780 Yeah.

01:12:44.060 I hate third wave feminism.

01:12:45.260 I mean, I'm a feminist, but I'm not pro third wave feminism.

01:12:48.240 Well, we agree.

01:12:48.940 All right, Amber.

01:12:49.340 Thank you so much.

01:12:50.160 Thank you, guys.

01:12:50.760 Give it up for Amber Duke.

01:12:52.080 All right.

01:12:52.400 Our next thing is Joe Kalman here.

01:12:55.780 Joe Kalman.

01:12:56.860 Joe, are you here?

01:12:58.880 Yeah, Joe.

01:12:59.740 Come on down to the right side.

01:13:01.020 These guys are all centrally located tonight.

01:13:02.580 I love it.

01:13:03.160 Yeah.

01:13:03.520 Thank you, Joe.

01:13:04.220 What do you got for us?

01:13:05.860 Kind of retarded, but.

01:13:08.320 Good way to start off.

01:13:09.860 Good start.

01:13:11.160 So I have a two-part question.

01:13:13.020 For the feminists, do you think that a time 200 years ago, the way that feminism and females'

01:13:21.620 roles in society, do you think that that was oppressive?

01:13:24.820 Yes or no?

01:13:26.080 Yeah.

01:13:26.760 I mean, before women had rights, yeah.

01:13:30.160 Yeah.

01:13:30.380 I mean, it was a robbing of their agency.

01:13:32.240 Did they have a particular role in the society?

01:13:35.740 Yeah, typically.

01:13:36.380 Would not be able to exist back then.

01:13:41.040 I feel like I'm not understanding your question.

01:13:42.960 I have no idea.

01:13:43.800 What the hell are you talking about?

01:13:44.980 I feel like you're begging the question.

01:13:46.600 Do you want to just make your point and then ask a question?

01:13:48.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:13:48.580 Like, what do you think about this?

01:13:49.780 We have a lot of consumerism and technologies nowadays that I think enable feminism.

01:13:56.860 Do you think that a time when they didn't have paper towels or a washing machine or all

01:14:03.020 of these other things that women used to do, were they oppressed in that role taking care

01:14:11.460 of a house?

01:14:12.120 I like this question.

01:14:13.320 You like it?

01:14:14.140 Yeah, I do like this question.

01:14:15.260 I think essentially that when you take away people's political rights, you are robbing

01:14:18.940 them of agency, which I think is inherently oppressive.

01:14:21.420 I think stealing people's ability to make choices is bad.

01:14:24.500 And most importantly, you can see this, for example, when you look at Spartan women versus

01:14:27.900 Athenian women.

01:14:29.060 Spartan women were actually expected to manage the household because Spartans thought it was

01:14:32.720 gay for men to touch money, basically, which is funny.

01:14:36.820 But Spartan women, as a result, were able to negotiate a lot more things like better wages,

01:14:42.660 better marital care, better maternity leave, whereas Athenian women were basically rejected

01:14:47.920 from society.

01:14:48.760 And as a result, they were entirely powerless.

01:14:50.760 So yes, not having any political power or agency diminishes your ability and does create

01:14:55.940 a system of oppression.

01:14:56.240 Let me ask you to the point of the technology of it.

01:14:58.920 Sure.

01:14:59.400 Women of the 1800s, were they oppressed?

01:15:03.160 Broadly, the poor ones especially, yes.

01:15:06.480 The rich ones, yes, to a lesser degree.

01:15:09.020 Was it oppressive that they were expected to be doing womanly things, cleaning laundry?

01:15:13.540 No, it was the robbing of the rights.

01:15:15.360 It was that they had no other choice to do anything else.

01:15:17.420 Can't we all agree that even since the beginning of time, women have had gender roles, different

01:15:21.580 gender roles than men, though?

01:15:22.960 I mean, is that, yeah.

01:15:23.700 Men and women are not the same.

01:15:24.340 No, I'm saying I agree with you.

01:15:25.520 So that's from the beginning of time we've known this.

01:15:28.660 The difference is men could choose cobbler or these sorts of things.

01:15:32.040 Women were only allowed to have babies or make the house.

01:15:35.220 But the reason why I think this is a good point, actually, is that firearms have greatly

01:15:40.540 equalized power between men and women in a lot of ways.

01:15:43.200 So if you were a woman in the 1800s, you weren't going to be a sheriff, right?

01:15:47.960 Yeah.

01:15:48.140 Because, you know, I think what?

01:15:50.160 It wasn't until like the late 18, they didn't have cartridges until the late 1800s.

01:15:54.200 So if you're late, if you're late 1700s, it was not oppression.

01:15:58.100 They said a woman can't be in this role.

01:15:59.720 It was the physical impossibility of it.

01:16:02.080 It was both, right?

01:16:03.100 But the other thing, too, is-

01:16:04.220 They would even say she like invented something.

01:16:06.320 There was some superpower woman who could theoretically maintain the same drugs.

01:16:09.500 She wasn't allowed to.

01:16:10.580 But the issue is you're not likely to see a woman, you know, manually tilling fields with pickaxes.

01:16:16.600 That's not true.

01:16:17.220 Actually, women were regularly doing farm labor.

01:16:19.320 In fact, that was one of the main domicile areas-

01:16:20.820 Specifically tilling the fields.

01:16:22.360 Yes, they would-

01:16:22.840 Men were pulling these things before peace of burden.

01:16:24.900 So were women.

01:16:25.800 I don't know what to tell you there.

01:16:26.960 This was just shared by the household.

01:16:28.560 You're making the argument that women were doing physical feats that men were disproportionately doing those physical feats.

01:16:34.900 No, I'm making an argument that men had agency.

01:16:36.940 But now it's not a big deal to have a female tractor driver.

01:16:37.380 Well, no.

01:16:37.980 I said men had agency and women didn't, right?

01:16:39.940 My issue isn't that women had traditional gender roles.

01:16:42.320 My issue is that women had no choice to be anything else.

01:16:43.780 The reason why men carried heavy things in chopped lumber was not because they oppressed women.

01:16:46.180 I don't have a problem with that.

01:16:47.180 I have an issue if women can't choose to do things like teaching or own real estate.

01:16:51.600 Men did not invent pickle jars to oppress women.

01:16:53.840 They're just hard to open.

01:16:55.100 I don't know why you're running away from this argument.

01:16:57.340 Because now they have automatic pickle jar openers.

01:16:59.840 You don't need men anymore.

01:17:00.800 There's nothing masculine about owning property, right?

01:17:03.060 There's just nothing inherent.

01:17:03.920 There's nothing-

01:17:04.840 That's what I'm talking about.

01:17:06.060 The point he made was with technological advancements, allowing for men to not have to do these jobs is a depression when they did.

01:17:12.280 And I think it's an interesting point that men chop lumber because they have big upper bodies and heavy arms.

01:17:16.800 I never said I want women in the 1800s to chop lumber.

01:17:19.160 But now that we have automatic lumber splitters, it's not a big deal to have women doing that job.

01:17:22.660 They weren't oppressing women by saying, no, we're going to have a guy chop lumber.

01:17:24.740 I'll just state my opinion again because I don't think you're engaging with it.

01:17:27.000 I'm not saying that women were oppressed in the 1800s because they weren't lumberjacks.

01:17:30.320 I'm saying women were oppressed because they didn't have the option to be anything but homemakers and own private property.

01:17:35.400 That's why they were oppressed.

01:17:36.080 I think she makes a good point.

01:17:37.420 Okay, all right.

01:17:38.060 Go sit down, Joe.

01:17:38.760 I don't think that was that great.

01:17:39.780 Jory Brooks.

01:17:41.460 Jory Brooks.

01:17:42.240 Is Jory Brooks here?

01:17:43.440 Come on down.

01:17:44.780 Am I saying that right?

01:17:46.160 Jory?

01:17:47.100 He's coming.

01:17:47.620 Come on, Jory.

01:17:48.640 You know, we have a limited time limit here.

01:17:51.720 Over here, brother.

01:17:52.260 Time limit.

01:17:53.160 Make the show run for four hours next time.

01:17:54.500 Yeah, we do need a four-hour show, actually.

01:17:56.020 But what do you got for us?

01:17:57.080 All right.

01:17:57.400 I got a simple question for Myron.

01:17:59.940 Do you think these things should be legally enforced or just culturally pushed?

01:18:05.340 Like putting women back in the kitchen?

01:18:07.260 Yeah, stuff like that.

01:18:09.040 Women as second-class citizens, basically.

01:18:10.920 Or repealing the 19th Amendment?

01:18:12.500 Yeah.

01:18:13.080 Yeah, I mean, I think if we do it, because here's the thing.

01:18:14.960 Women are followers, right?

01:18:16.500 They're not really leaders.

01:18:17.680 So if we culturally shame them being sluts or voting or any of that other stuff and say,

01:18:22.040 like, hey, you need to get back in the kitchen.

01:18:23.640 Education isn't great for you.

01:18:24.900 I think they'd follow that.

01:18:25.820 We don't need to force them to do it because women are followers.

01:18:28.740 So why do you want to repeal the 19th?

01:18:30.000 Yeah.

01:18:30.620 What was that?

01:18:30.900 Why do you want to repeal the 19th if you think social shame is effective enough?

01:18:33.900 Well, again, in that regard, we really got to make sure you guys can't vote.

01:18:37.500 But yeah, other than that, everything else could be social.

01:18:39.040 That's the question.

01:18:39.720 That's the question.

01:18:40.220 Why?

01:18:40.300 Yeah, yeah.

01:18:40.680 So, no, when it comes to voting, we just don't let them in.

01:18:42.940 They're like, oh, I'm here to vote.

01:18:44.060 LOL.

01:18:44.540 And then tell them to go home.

01:18:45.520 Real quick.

01:18:46.520 Real quick.

01:18:46.620 You know what I mean?

01:18:47.140 It's just simple.

01:18:48.780 I don't want to take away the rights except for the right to vote.

01:18:51.140 Okay, that's what I do.

01:18:51.900 Go home back to the kitchen.

01:18:53.040 Would you guys agree that women should have to sign up for selective service same as men?

01:19:00.080 That or nobody has to sign up.

01:19:01.500 Yeah, I don't believe in a draft at all.

01:19:03.020 So, right, so either remove it completely or women have to do it.

01:19:06.060 I think equity would be fine there, yeah.

01:19:07.720 You know, I don't think women should be cops.

01:19:09.900 I don't think they should be in the military.

01:19:10.940 I don't think they should be doing any of it.

01:19:11.920 He wants to take away women's rights.

01:19:14.220 Women should be cops because they shoot people.

01:19:16.780 They get emotional and they shoot you.

01:19:17.360 What he wants to say is there's not allowed no matter what.

01:19:22.200 It's about I am right.

01:19:23.500 You guys don't need to be in the military.

01:19:25.720 It's not philosophy.

01:19:26.660 It's reality, guys.

01:19:27.820 Whenever I see female...

01:19:28.760 I used to work in law enforcement.

01:19:29.740 Let me tell you something.

01:19:30.500 Tell them.

01:19:30.960 You guys are fucking useless when it comes to anything that has to do with enforcement.

01:19:33.600 I'll tell you why.

01:19:34.420 They don't know how to do things tactically.

01:19:36.080 They can barely go ahead and actually subdue a subject.

01:19:38.500 So, whenever I had women and I did an operation plan, I put these bitches on the perimeter

01:19:41.460 because they can't effectively get into a fight and they put everyone else in danger.

01:19:45.120 So, when it comes to military, law enforcement, anything like that,

01:19:48.380 I think women shouldn't be involved in those professions.

01:19:50.420 They should be on the same.

01:19:51.000 There's actually a support role.

01:19:52.360 There's actually a very...

01:19:53.180 Only in a support role.

01:19:54.280 Myron's right.

01:19:55.320 And then, with that said, since they're not in the military, they shouldn't have the right to vote.

01:19:58.820 That should be left to the men.

01:19:59.980 Because here's the other problem, too.

01:20:01.200 When you put women in the military, you put them in law enforcement,

01:20:03.740 you effectively weaken the entire force for what?

01:20:06.060 Their feelings so they can feel equal?

01:20:07.320 Get the fuck out of here.

01:20:07.700 You're only as strong as your weakest link.

01:20:09.460 And there was just a Houston, a female Houston cop,

01:20:11.940 that went and pulled a gun on a guy because the guy had cheated on her sister.

01:20:17.140 Oh, yeah.

01:20:17.760 Women do crimes and that's bad.

01:20:19.180 I don't want to tell a female cop, you know.

01:20:21.400 Again, I'm not saying women should be cops.

01:20:23.540 You're more likely to get shot by a female cop than a male cop way, way faster.

01:20:25.960 Okay, hey, Jessie is shaped.

01:20:27.440 We're here, Jessie is shaped.

01:20:28.940 Jessica, I don't know how you're handwriting is shaped.

01:20:31.600 Jess, come on down, Jess.

01:20:33.440 There you go, that's easier.

01:20:35.440 What do you got in line?

01:20:36.460 No, I was just going to say, like, I don't, while she waits.

01:20:38.700 But his answer is, he doesn't just want to socially shame, he wants to steal rights.

01:20:41.800 Anyone that's in the military or a police officer will tell you, having female backup sucks.

01:20:45.700 Then make sure that the standards are equal.

01:20:47.380 Just make sure the standards are equal.

01:20:48.560 I do want to point out the inherent sexism of this show.

01:20:50.720 I did ask Myra to sit there because I said he could beat the shit out of anybody who fucked

01:20:54.020 with him from the audience.

01:20:56.440 I love you all.

01:20:57.440 All right, Jess, what do you got for us?

01:20:59.200 All right.

01:20:59.620 I think you ladies have an idealized view of feminism, and I do believe it will bring

01:21:06.480 down Western society.

01:21:08.180 All right.

01:21:08.860 Come on down.

01:21:09.280 Come on, Talia.

01:21:09.940 That was great.

01:21:11.220 Back in the kitchen.

01:21:12.120 Let's go.

01:21:12.980 Come on, hurry.

01:21:13.660 This way.

01:21:14.740 Now you're letting her out of the kitchen, Myra?

01:21:16.400 Wow.

01:21:17.780 Yeah, he only likes women that agree with him.

01:21:19.820 Imagine that.

01:21:20.880 They can have rights.

01:21:21.580 They can have rights, actually.

01:21:22.400 Jess, just right now.

01:21:23.400 What do you got for us, Jess?

01:21:24.280 Rights for now.

01:21:24.800 All right.

01:21:25.220 Let me pull my nose back up.

01:21:26.180 And speak into the microphone.

01:21:29.620 I just think it is more a collectivist plot for societal division than it is.

01:21:35.300 What do you mean by collectivist?

01:21:37.220 As in, right now, when you have, I'll just give an example, the feminist movement being

01:21:42.700 tied with transgenderism and all these other sorts of things that is more left-wing and

01:21:48.760 just more collectivist in mindset.

01:21:50.580 I mean, you can just say those parts of feminism I disagree with.

01:21:53.460 I already said third-wave feminism.

01:21:54.940 Not a big fan.

01:21:55.660 Women and men are not the same.

01:21:56.700 So, in a broad sense, feminism as a whole includes a lot of really bad shit.

01:22:01.040 Sure, of course.

01:22:01.500 There's lots of things in feminism I disagree with.

01:22:02.920 Real quick, but aren't we, wait, with the trans movement, wouldn't, and I'm not, you

01:22:07.640 know, a social scientist, but aren't we almost in fourth-wave feminism now?

01:22:11.020 We are in fourth-wave.

01:22:12.860 No, we are in fourth-wave.

01:22:14.060 Alex knows his feminism.

01:22:15.220 Guys, come on.

01:22:15.560 I know this.

01:22:15.940 I love ladies.

01:22:16.640 I love my baby.

01:22:17.520 I know.

01:22:17.880 That's good.

01:22:18.500 I love, I love, I love, I mean, I'm not going to lie.

01:22:20.860 I'm not going to.

01:22:21.580 No, my question was actually for Myron.

01:22:23.440 Oh, shit.

01:22:24.020 Oh, yeah.

01:22:24.420 Okay, so have you considered that you may be surrounding yourself with low-quality women

01:22:29.920 that are skewing your perception of dating, and how would you address the fact that other

01:22:34.380 men buying into this narrow viewpoint of relationships tend to become unhappy and single?

01:22:40.160 Okay, so I like that you asked that, because a lot of people say that all the time, Myron,

01:22:44.060 you're in Miami, you're around a bunch of bimbos, blah, blah, blah.

01:22:46.280 So, the reality is-

01:22:47.580 I see the show.

01:22:47.860 Shut up.

01:22:48.120 Yeah, well, here's the thing.

01:22:49.200 I brought girls on.

01:22:49.940 We actually keep data.

01:22:50.620 We bring girls on that have PhDs, master degrees, educated with bachelor degrees, all

01:22:55.920 different types of job fields, and I've still noticed some very interesting similarities

01:23:01.520 despite education level, cultural background, et cetera, with the women.

01:23:05.620 So, my thing is, unfortunately, almost all women, well, damn near 99% of women are all

01:23:11.780 very hypergamous, and what I tell guys is the reason why they need to rise up and make

01:23:15.680 more money and get in the gym and just be the best they can be is because women's standards

01:23:20.020 have went up, and since women's standards have went up, most guys don't qualify, and

01:23:23.260 I think for any guy to be in a relationship where they can, like, make it last and have

01:23:26.300 their girl be somewhat satisfied as they have to be the best version of yourself because

01:23:29.460 women are pickier now than ever before thanks to feminism.

01:23:33.140 So, and not only that, but, like, women are encouraged to get the best they can.

01:23:36.340 So, my thing isn't necessarily that I'm around lower quality women, you would say.

01:23:40.820 It's just that I'm around a lot of different types of women from different walks of life,

01:23:44.220 and I would argue the hotter the girl, the more hypergamous they're going to be because

01:23:47.000 they can be. I would argue, though, you may be personally trying to find an eclectic

01:23:52.740 bunch, but you're not going to church, right? Are you going to churches that have these

01:23:55.700 debates? Well, here's the thing. We bring a lot of girls that are religious, too, on

01:23:58.460 the podcast. And you find they're all the same? No, he does bring a lot.

01:24:01.300 Three or four church goers? No, we brought girls in that are religious, too. I mean,

01:24:04.700 religious girls are going to want a guy that's more traditional. So, like, the point is

01:24:09.320 this. The guy needs to be a complete package is my argument nowadays. Like, you can't be an

01:24:13.080 average guy nowadays and still be able to, you know, get a girl or get a woman to truly submit

01:24:17.780 to you. What was that? That's evolution. Of course it is. But what I'm saying now is

01:24:20.960 that, like, average women no longer want average men. Historically, 40% of men reproduced.

01:24:27.120 Of course. And now it's 83. 83% of men now?

01:24:31.340 Now. 83% don't reproduce. Well, no, no, no. I'm sorry. As of the younger generation, sure.

01:24:36.180 But historically, throughout thousands and thousands of years, the number was around 40. Modern

01:24:40.640 history. It's around 80. Of course, I understand Gen Z is dropping off.

01:24:43.860 And here's the thing, too. We had guardrails, right, before. Like, you know, you had the

01:24:47.060 church. You had a social shame. You had stigmas with women behaving and acting in a way to,

01:24:51.720 you know, effectuate their hypergamy. But these guardrails are gone now. So, like, women can

01:24:55.220 literally do whatever they want. When you leave them to own devices, they're going to pick

01:24:58.600 the best guy. Part of the reason why historically men weren't spreading their seed is they were

01:25:02.200 dying in the mines and they were dying in war because the way that society dealt with what

01:25:05.560 we call, like, the young male syndrome, which is a real issue of young men that don't have

01:25:09.220 mates because typically young men don't actually get mates because you guys are immature and

01:25:12.400 have to grow up a little bit. This has always been historically true. This is absolutely

01:25:16.220 true. This is what war is fed because a major issue in all nation states when they were beginning,

01:25:21.040 you can go back to, like, the 700s, is the question of the young male issue. Young men are

01:25:25.500 more violent, more aggressive, and stupid. And you guys often have to get shipped off to

01:25:29.760 bad places. Now, I love the Western civilization where we don't do that to young men because

01:25:34.160 I think that's fucked up.

01:25:34.980 Yeah, we do.

01:25:35.720 No, we don't. We don't send men. We're not killing off men in the numbers that were

01:25:39.360 regulated in history. And I think that that's good.

01:25:41.920 Okay, sure. But we still have drafts and we still have war.

01:25:43.760 Sure. But the issue is when you talk about, like, men aren't spreading their seed in history,

01:25:47.520 it's because they were dying.

01:25:49.140 All right, real quick. Do you have one last thing, Jess, before you go? It's been three

01:25:52.200 minutes. One last thing you want to say?

01:25:53.880 Um, I'm a veteran.

01:25:57.340 Yeah.

01:25:59.260 I just want to, I want to add to that.

01:26:00.820 I do want to make one point additionally, because I was talking about collectivism a moment

01:26:04.040 ago. And I feel like with Myron saying, like, all men, all women, and just coming at your

01:26:09.860 audience with that narrative, it leaves out the traditional view, kind of like Tim was

01:26:15.140 saying of, I'm 23 and I meet someone and do this. And you grow with that person together.

01:26:19.480 Like, I was with my husband while I was going through college.

01:26:22.480 Yeah, that's great. But I mean, but you're an exception to the rule.

01:26:24.740 Okay.

01:26:26.180 No.

01:26:27.420 You have a selection bias, Myron.

01:26:29.560 You're 23-year-old girls are not going to do that.

01:26:31.700 No, I'm sorry. This is just not true. Like, when you look at dating, typically women are

01:26:35.760 going to date people within their economic and their age bracket. The reason why your data...

01:26:41.160 Utsaf, real quick. Utsaf. Utsaf Sanduja.

01:26:44.800 The reason why your show has such a bad selection bias is because most women don't want to go

01:26:51.800 on to get, like, bullied by the audience forever. However, if you have an OnlyFans, you absolutely

01:26:57.260 want to go on whatever and your show to promote it. So you just do have a selection bias.

01:27:01.360 The women who tend to write articles for large publications are single and childless.

01:27:06.140 True.

01:27:06.300 And so the media that's going out to women at the more affluent level tends to be feminist

01:27:10.760 childless.

01:27:11.200 I would actually argue most, like, third-wave feminism underserved most women as well. In

01:27:15.600 fact, it only benefited women like myself or maybe Kat, who are, like, more up to it.

01:27:19.160 All right, boots up. What do you got for us?

01:27:20.280 No, just nuanced.

01:27:21.020 All right, hey, Myron, it's me, your favorite... We debated in the next while back.

01:27:25.420 What was that?

01:27:26.040 He's your favorite...

01:27:27.000 Yeah, favorite...

01:27:27.840 Okay.

01:27:28.180 Damn right.

01:27:28.500 What's up, man?

01:27:29.100 Yo, brother. God bless you. As-salamu alaykum.

01:27:32.060 So, okay, I know you're an Islamist, allegedly. My question is very straightforward. In the age

01:27:37.020 of AI, does it really matter if it's, you know, a male versus female debate? Because we're

01:27:41.840 all going to get replaced anyway. Wall Street Journal, which is our favorite newspaper, you

01:27:46.040 know, Trump doesn't like them. I don't blame him. They talk about how a lot of our jobs

01:27:50.680 are going to be replaced by these freaking bots. There's a lot of sectors that are just

01:27:54.820 going to be wholesale replaced. We're all fucked. I'm sorry to swear.

01:27:57.840 No, let me tell you something. You're the biggest threat, you stupid Indian with your

01:28:01.180 DEI bullshit. I'm not worried about some damn AI taking my job. I'm worried about you

01:28:07.180 desens coming over here and making chicken tikka masala in the damn company microwave

01:28:12.720 and stinking up the whole place like curry. AI didn't know how to use a microwave.

01:28:17.780 So let me tell you my favorite friend who is a... I love you. Shalom. God bless you.

01:28:25.820 Peace be with you. And whatever sky God you believe in, I wish all the best to you.

01:28:30.120 Hey, wait, wait, hold on. I got a counterpoint. That AI software company trying to be 700

01:28:34.100 Indians. That's not a joke.

01:28:37.860 Honestly, I just don't care anymore, guys. You just are all jealous. I don't give a fuck.

01:28:42.340 I am jealous. I'm terrible at using my computer. I wish I knew how to use it better.

01:28:47.140 It just goes through me. I have a question for you. What's up?

01:28:50.200 Do you know how much money OpenAI made in this last financial year?

01:28:54.240 Too much money. They don't get taxed enough. Okay, good response. Do you know how much

01:28:58.320 though? I'm just curious. No, I don't know, ma'am. Okay, they made 20 million.

01:29:00.760 Do you know how much they spent to afford their data centers and the electricity that's required

01:29:05.100 for them? A lot of R&Ds put in a lot of money. 28 billion. Yeah, it's a lot.

01:29:08.520 They lost a lot of money. So this idea that bots are going to replace us, somewhat, there's

01:29:12.680 always with automation, we see a shrinkage of labor jobs. We saw this with farming and mining

01:29:17.260 when we got tractors and shit like that, right? Which is bad for the revenue.

01:29:24.040 But how much has Uncle Sam put into OpenAI? Sam Allen came out and said, that's absolutely

01:29:27.880 not true. Probably a lot. This is what ChachiBD5 is actually. What'd you have? Is it's a cheaper

01:29:32.840 version of ChachiB40. I'm going to disprove your argument because I ordered Chipotle and they

01:29:37.500 got the order wrong and DoorDash doesn't have a phone to call. It's a robot. That's true.

01:29:43.460 I called Chipotle on the phone and a robot answered and it literally said, there is

01:29:47.820 no one who can answer the phone for you. And I was like, we want your preets back and

01:29:50.600 AI out. That's true. That's true.

01:29:52.300 AI out of there, man.

01:29:53.000 All right, sit down. Sit down. We love you, though. God bless.

01:29:56.080 I love Israel. Greatest ally.

01:29:59.580 Well, hi, and we love you. We love it. Benjamin Netanyahu sent him. All right, Adam Irvin.

01:30:04.640 Is Adam Irvin here? Come on down, Adam Irvin. Get your ass down here. I see him in the

01:30:08.380 back. Come on down. Give it up for Adam Irvin. Give it up for Utah. Thank you.

01:30:12.420 We love our Indian brothers and sisters. This guy is going slow. Keep him over there,

01:30:17.320 though. Yeah, I know. Keep the deodorant dodgers back over there. They made zero.

01:30:22.060 They made zero. How much did they lose? They lost $5 billion on $3.7 billion in revenue.

01:30:27.520 All right, what do you got for us, Adam? Yeah. They're in a deficit. I just wanted to say

01:30:31.640 that Jesus Christ is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. I think that everybody has a

01:30:39.500 worldview and that everybody stands on that foundation. And when we all have opinions and

01:30:49.000 so forth, it boils down to that foundation you're standing on. Meaning...

01:30:56.400 What was that? Yeah, come on. Keep going. You thought this one through. Yeah. To all your

01:31:05.060 points, like to every single one of those points... It all comes down to Jesus, right? Is that what you're

01:31:09.300 saying? Wait, were you the guy that was shouting the most? Who said you were going to come up?

01:31:12.880 No. No. Oh, that was somebody over here. Okay. What I'm saying is that your foundation that you

01:31:17.800 stand on is where you're going to line up with the way you conduct yourself in the world.

01:31:22.660 That's not true. That's true. We've got all these atheists and one Christian, okay? I'm the only

01:31:27.580 one who's based and believes in Jesus. All of you sinners. Doesn't the Bible say that women should

01:31:32.000 be silent, obey their husbands, though? It does, but it also says men submit yourselves to women in

01:31:36.240 the way that Christ died for the church, so. Oh, wow. Ruh-roh. It does. Look it up. Listen, we love Jesus

01:31:42.420 Christ, but no. Get down. All right, sit down. Come up. All right. Hey, the guy with the backwards hat,

01:31:47.460 the guy, he was here last time. Were you the one shouting? You want to say something for a minute? Yeah.

01:31:51.340 Uh-oh. I know this guy. T-Bone. Give it up. T-Bone. T-Bone. T-Bone's a good guy. I like

01:31:57.800 T-Bone. I couldn't think of his name. T-Bone's funny. All right, T-Bone, what do you got for

01:32:00.680 us? All right. Hey, guys. Let's go, DC. Thank you so much, Tim. This is a great event. So

01:32:05.900 my question, you guys were talking about it earlier, about the women in military and such.

01:32:13.300 So, Kylie, you were actually saying that you want women in the military for the draft. Myron,

01:32:18.340 you were saying that you kind of don't want women in the military. So, Kylie, you say

01:32:22.500 that you want them? I said they either are part of the selector draft or they're not. It

01:32:26.560 should be equal between men and women when it comes to voting. So if they were supposed

01:32:29.660 to go into the draft, what exactly would you want them to do? Like, would you want them

01:32:33.260 to be a nurse, a mechanic, or would you want them to be on the front lines in, like, combat

01:32:37.600 roles? I feel like you think that this is a crazy feminist gotcha. My answer is pretty

01:32:41.880 nuanced. I want aptitude tests, and I want them to be in the spots that they would best serve

01:32:45.520 the military. Yeah, T-Bone, that's not a good gotcha. Go sit down, dude. That's not good.

01:32:49.540 Thanks, Try, though. I really had higher expectations. Yeah, I did, too. Barry from Brooklyn, come on

01:32:55.140 down. We got some people we got to get through. We only got about less than 20 minutes left,

01:32:59.040 so about 26 minutes. All right, what do you got for us, Barry? What's up? This is the

01:33:01.880 second time I drove from Brooklyn. Five hours to get here, so I'm glad to be here. My city sucks,

01:33:07.040 so don't come back. Don't ever come. I'm trying to leave, too. It's horrible. Anyways, there

01:33:11.200 are 70 Muslim countries in the world, maybe a little bit more. How do you... This is for

01:33:16.680 the feminists on the side. Do you think that... Shut up! Do you think that those men are going

01:33:22.020 to respect women leaders? Look at the countries like Germany, not a great country. It's a beautiful

01:33:26.820 country, but not great. Look at England. They just let every Mohammedan. So because they're

01:33:30.840 submissive to these Muslim nations, what do you think is the best... Do you think that women

01:33:36.260 are going to be respected by these men leaders in Muslim countries? You know what they're going

01:33:39.580 to respect? The F-15. They don't even let women drive. The F-15. That's what they're

01:33:42.980 going to respect. So I'm not super worried about it. The American military is the most

01:33:46.360 predominant thing on the planet, and the reality is that whoever is wearing the

01:33:49.320 American name, they're going to respect because they should. I think we got to be honest.

01:33:53.260 Come on. Like if Kamala tried to negotiate with Saudi Arabia... Yep. I don't know what to

01:33:58.220 tell you. Who invaded after she visited? Like, come on, man. The reality is that like our

01:34:03.860 economic ties are so strong with these countries and the military. Like, yeah, they'd probably

01:34:07.400 like behind the scenes be like, man, fuck that bitch. She's a stupid woman. The issue

01:34:11.260 is that it's still America that they have to negotiate with, and they're going to care.

01:34:14.320 No, not just here, but I'm talking about other countries. There are many countries,

01:34:17.500 and there's 207 countries in the world, and a few of them are ran by women. But do you

01:34:20.960 think the men in these Muslim countries are going to respect these women as leaders?

01:34:24.960 So again... No, they're not. Well, now we have to be... Wait. It's clearly not.

01:34:27.300 Okay, so you just want to say no. Okay. Well, if you want to have your own conversation

01:34:30.240 on a mic, go for it. Mary, I would call you up, but you're Jewish, and I don't want Myron to kill you.

01:34:34.580 I'm an Italian Jew. It's morally bad, and that's all that matters. It's better to be morally

01:34:39.000 right than factually correct. True. All right, go sit down. Supa. Come on down. Supa. Is

01:34:44.820 Supa here? Supa Fox? Does anybody know who the hell that is? Yeah. He's out his way. All right,

01:34:49.760 Supa. Come on down. I can see when I do this. Is that your name? Yes, my name's Supa. How

01:34:54.860 are you? Supa Fox is your actual name? Fox is my actual name. He's a furry. Don't judge. And I'm

01:35:01.460 sorry that I forgot your name. Don't worry about it. Kyla. Kyla. That was a great joke

01:35:06.180 that you had earlier where you pointed out that it is actually gay to handle money. The

01:35:11.060 Spartans were right about that. That wasn't a joke. I was talking about Spartans and how

01:35:13.720 they view it. Yes, yes. The Spartans were right about that. It's gay to handle money, but it's

01:35:16.700 not gay to wrestle your bro in Greece. Oh, you're talking about like, I don't know what to tell

01:35:23.080 you. Like, Spartans would look at you and snap. What do you even look? Yeah. A Spartan would walk

01:35:27.380 up to you, punch him in the face and snap you over his back. I don't know what you're

01:35:30.400 being like, oh, they're gay because they wrestle. I don't want to tell you. They're the peak

01:35:33.020 of masculinity. It's fucked. It's called a joke. Okay. Bro, in Sparta, the only way for

01:35:37.500 a guy to get a tombstone was to die. Was to die. And the only way a woman could get a tombstone

01:35:42.100 was to die in childbirth. Yeah. Otherwise, fuck you. Yeah. All great jokes. All right.

01:35:46.760 Well, this isn't Sparta. Go sit down. All right. All right. Edgar the puppet. Come

01:35:51.040 on down. Edgar, hurry. Get your ass up here. We love Edgar. We got to get to Edgar.

01:35:55.480 Edgar. Hey, Alex, can I come up? Can I just fucking come up? Yeah, I guess. Just come

01:36:00.300 up. Let me switch hands because my spirit animal has to adjust. Don't suck. Just come

01:36:04.580 up here, Edgar. Gosh dang it. We only have so much time. Give it up, guys. Give it up.

01:36:08.220 We got a couple other names we have to pull. So give it up for Edgar the puppet. He's a racist

01:36:12.960 blue puppet, sexist, misogynistic puppet. We love him. Okay. What do you got for us?

01:36:20.000 Greetings, bitches. I represent Ask America with Edgar, the number one fascist puppet show

01:36:28.600 in D.C. It is a YouTube channel. Thank you for inviting me up here. Please do not pay attention

01:36:33.800 to my spirit animal here. He has nothing important to say. It is all me. Okay. Listen, I just

01:36:40.960 want to say the problem is, I side with the hotties on the far right side, Kat and Kyla,

01:36:48.880 absolutely, 100%. I'm against this Saudi Arabian virgin right here. Absolutely. Sorry. Sorry,

01:36:56.480 Myron. You know, listen, I believe the problem is not feminism. The problem is the feminization

01:37:04.300 of men. Yes. Yes. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Men, you have to take ownership of your own

01:37:10.800 problems, and I want 100% tariff on cuck chairs until we figure out what the hell is

01:37:16.080 going on. Myron, that's a good point. What do you think about all these men that are cucks

01:37:20.140 in this? That's like a normalizing destiny. That's a weird thing that's normalized. Yeah.

01:37:25.040 Look, I like destiny, but I mean, he's a cuck. I know, but he sucks on camera. He does

01:37:30.260 suck a lot of cuck. He sucks acres of cuck, Myron. He does revenge porn and

01:37:34.300 girls and shares and cuck guys, so he's like a sexual pervert. He would cuck his own

01:37:38.140 face if given the opportunity, Myron. And his own son hates him and thinks he's a

01:37:41.820 retard, but I know he's a retard. I feel like Alex needs to talk to destiny. You don't

01:37:44.640 like destiny. Weak men. No, I like him. I think he's awesome. His son hates him.

01:37:48.820 Sure. Wait, Myron, Myron, Myron, Myron, can we talk about the great uncucking of Alex

01:37:54.720 Stein, who up to a few months ago, until he decided to lose weight, was a complete grotty

01:38:00.200 unfuckable, who no one would run either. That's not true. I got more b****y than that

01:38:03.960 puppet ever got. No, no, no. You're a f****y. You're a f****y. You're a f****y. You're

01:38:10.360 abusive bitch. I am. No, no one would even get near you. I love you, but I was f****y

01:38:15.820 when I was fat. I just want that down. You gave up bread and sugar. You gave up bread and

01:38:19.540 sugar. I just f*** better now. No, you gave up 40 pounds. You used to be a fat, disgusting

01:38:23.780 f***, and I'm so proud of you, man. Thank you. I love you. It actually feels good. You're

01:38:27.540 the only puppet. Alex Stein is the only man who can put his hand in my puppet hole with

01:38:31.720 consent. And it's not gay. I want to address this. I want to say, I'm sick of, who was

01:38:38.520 it? Was it Carl Benjamin who said, all these guys online complaining about women, stop acting

01:38:42.680 like f***ing women. The point he's making is that they go online and say, oh, women do

01:38:46.520 this, women do that. It's like, stop f***ing complaining. You're a man. Go carve yourself

01:38:49.900 out of stone, get shoved in the mud, and crawl until you make something of yourself, and stop

01:38:53.480 bitching on everybody else. All right, and Angelina Bel Camino. Bel Camino,

01:38:57.540 come on down. She'll kick you off. Come on down. I love her. You can say something.

01:39:03.660 No, no, Edgar, you can say something. She's 40, no kids. I believe I'm the perfect person

01:39:08.100 to bridge this divide because I'm ostensibly male, but I never feel so alive as when a man

01:39:14.480 is inside me. Well, congratulations. Thank you. I'll be here all week. I'm so glad

01:39:19.600 conservative saved comedy. Subscribe on YouTube, you bitches. A bold lib joining us. Come on,

01:39:23.960 bold lib. Give it up for Edgar. The boldest lib on the internet. What do you got for us?

01:39:33.720 Well, first of all, I'm sitting next to Myron, so I want to say the world is healing. I have

01:39:41.080 a question for you, Tim. I wanted to know if a woman was working like you were dealing

01:39:45.320 with at the casino last night, if your issue would have been resolved. If a woman was working?

01:39:49.320 Yeah. What do you mean? That you, you know, was, you were going to with your, the problem

01:39:53.460 you were having. It was both men and women who told me to go fuck myself. Okay. So no one

01:39:57.320 asked you. I feel like men are better managers than women. Like, you know, like a casino or

01:40:03.860 something. Like casino employees are usually better as men, to be honest. Why? I just, I don't

01:40:08.420 know because it's money. It's more masculine. There are female gamblers. I think they, they,

01:40:14.820 they sucked, uh, uh, equally in different ways. And this is actually more of a robot

01:40:19.960 question because I'm not going to get into the full details of what happened, but basically

01:40:23.200 a robot stole money from me and it was, and, and everybody looked, bro, it was a room full

01:40:28.580 of managers with their thumbs up their asses being like, there's nothing we can do because

01:40:31.680 the robot said so. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? So both men and women

01:40:35.060 equally had their thumbs up their asses. Okay. I was curious. I also wanted to push back

01:40:39.200 on something that Myron said about. Please, because that, yeah, let's talk about something

01:40:42.500 interesting. Not Tim's gambling addiction. Let's talk about, come on. Sorry, sorry, Tim.

01:40:47.180 Um, you know, just about women not knowing what they want. I wanted to push back on them

01:40:51.620 and say, I do know what I want and it's not that. Okay. I'm pretty sure. Like, I don't

01:40:55.840 want to hear that I'm stupid and weak and things like, I'm having a hard time understanding

01:41:01.140 how you're so good at empathy when, you know. Yeah. Women don't tend to like the truth, which

01:41:05.980 is fine. No big deal. I'll just be, continue to be toxic and masculine and women love that.

01:41:09.740 Well, I got a question. Do they? Real quick. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, women love guys that

01:41:13.660 like, can tell them that they're dumb and to shut up and to, you know, be a, you know,

01:41:17.400 be assertive. But here's an honest question. What percent of women actually prefer to be

01:41:22.580 submissive and dominated by men who are aggressive with them? That's an honest question.

01:41:26.880 I mean, it's, it's not me. I don't know the statistics on that. I don't know. Women are

01:41:31.220 more subby-wubby than they are. But the issue is like, being a sub is not the same thing

01:41:34.840 as being like, abused and berated. I don't know. These are not the same thing. Bernie Sanders wrote

01:41:39.160 about that, how women like to go home and fantasize about being raped. They do, right? Like, and in

01:41:43.220 the same way that like, men like to fantasize about like, fucking like, magical, like, troll girls. Like,

01:41:47.160 yes, we all fantasize about weird, stupid shit, right? The issue is that like, you know, in the

01:41:51.640 case of like, my marriage, okay, yeah, my husband is my leader, and I respect him. But part of why I

01:41:57.480 feel that way towards Nick is because he respects me, he cares about me. When we disagree, and it

01:42:03.480 comes to like, who's going to be right? I know that like, nine times out of 10, he like, has my best

01:42:07.400 interest in mind. It's not just because he's like, this male superior. And if you're like, a lot of

01:42:11.280 these men be like, yeah, men do need to tough it up. No, he is superior, because you're deferring to

01:42:14.680 his authority. See, women don't want to acknowledge the fact that they want a guy that can tell them what

01:42:19.460 to do and can make the decision. Women want to sit there and be like, oh, well, we're equal. But in reality,

01:42:23.880 when push comes to shove, they want to be able to follow your lead. Well, the issue, Myron, is that

01:42:27.080 women? I'm able to look at the world talking about and recognize that some people are good

01:42:31.040 at some things and other people are good at other things. And both of these people have

01:42:34.240 everything that matters. That's not true. Have a fucking baby. Good luck. That's the only thing

01:42:39.340 you can do and you still need a man for that. Oh, it's almost like raising a child is the most

01:42:42.700 important thing for society. Haven't we been talking about declining birth rates and how

01:42:45.980 important child rearing is? And now all of a sudden it's be like, oh, all they are good for is a

01:42:49.600 womb for that. And anything where both men and women could compete and both of them can

01:42:53.960 actually do it. Men are better. I would argue this for my marriage. I'm basically in charge

01:42:59.760 of externalities. She's in charge of internal issues. So when it comes to what she needs for

01:43:04.940 the baby, what she needs for the house, where we're going on vacation, who we're seeing for

01:43:07.960 holidays, I just say, you know what? I have no idea. That's up to you. But when it comes

01:43:12.560 to calling lawyers, dealing with bullshit, getting shit done, I'm going to go and fight.

01:43:18.400 I put all this. I'm going to fight the grizzly bear if it shows up with my bare hands and then

01:43:21.900 die, you save the baby. Yeah. You delegate authorities, but that's a part of being a

01:43:25.760 man and being a leader. That's why like when a woman's in a leadership role, it's a problem

01:43:29.600 for the relationship. It's probably not going to last. Women want a guy who's going to be

01:43:32.260 assertive, dominant, taller, stronger, everything. They try to sit there and say, I'm equal to

01:43:35.500 you, but they're really not. They're inferior and they want to feel inferior. I disagree

01:43:38.080 though. Like I've been in a lot of relationships where we handle the conflict. Okay. Where are those

01:43:41.980 guys now? Well, that's it. That's a problem. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. The real, no, the

01:43:49.720 real, the nuanced answer. The real answer is that probably 80% of people do prefer a gender

01:43:54.800 traditional relationship and that's totally fine. I have no issue with people wanting

01:43:57.820 gender traditional relationships. The problem with your worldview is there's no space for

01:44:01.060 anything else. And the reality is that non-gender traditional relationships just do exist and

01:44:05.740 can. No, because I understand that women can't make their own decisions. So I have to do it for

01:44:09.140 them. So you'll sit there and say, oh, 80% is actually higher than that because the reality

01:44:12.140 is women are attracted to men that are better than them. That's how it is. Now you have to

01:44:15.460 fight with all of science and data, which is wrong. How you want to be treated, which is

01:44:18.920 inferior. How come whenever there's a polycule, the woman's always like fat and the guys are

01:44:23.560 all weird looking. I've seen a lot of polycules that are like one man, two women, and everyone's

01:44:28.080 kind of hot. I'm not going to lie. The ones we see online, it's always like some big fat chick

01:44:32.340 with three fat guys. Yeah, it turns out not everything you see online is real. I would also say that

01:44:36.940 there's a huge difference. There's a huge difference between being assertive and being

01:44:40.580 a leader and just calling women stupid and hoes over and over again. If anything, that's

01:44:45.380 weak and it's really kind of boring. Well, I'm not even trying to argue. Oh, it's like

01:44:51.060 what I heard. Who's that chick with the YouTube channel where she does say women suck? That's

01:44:56.100 boring too. Yeah, but Kat, Kat, there is something kind of like inherently, even from a young age

01:45:01.420 when guys would bully girls, it meant they liked them. You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

01:45:05.020 So you're saying Myron likes me? Yeah. You started with me first, so I think it's the other

01:45:10.140 way around. I know that sounds weird. It sounds counterproductive, but that's kind of like

01:45:13.700 a thing. So I think Myron likes women, but it's like this weird thing that if you attack

01:45:17.500 them, that makes them like you back. Strong men can't be honest about their feelings. Got it.

01:45:21.360 Kind of. It is hard. Because this is another thing. Well, one thing I will tell you guys,

01:45:25.740 never cry in front of your girlfriend. You're a f*** if you do that. You know, like there's

01:45:29.500 certain things. They'll sit there and say, oh, you can be vulnerable in front of me and then

01:45:34.860 she'll use it against you a year later. Don't cry. I don't know what to tell you. Get out of

01:45:38.840 those relationships. There's only one time a man is allowed to cry in front of a woman is when your

01:45:42.800 dog dies. Yeah, dog dies. That's it. Nothing else. If your dog dies, you can cry, but go cry in the

01:45:47.120 bathroom. All right, stay up here, Angela. But Tiani, is that Tiani? Is Tiani here? Maybe we can get in

01:45:52.040 one more female before the end of the night. Give it up for Tiani. Come on down. I hope you

01:45:58.220 got something good. You got one minute. You got the bold lib, Myron Gaines, Cat Tim, and not so

01:46:05.120 uridite. What do you got for us? Okay, so if we as a society want to get back to traditional values

01:46:11.020 and a strong nuclear family, how are we supposed to do that when we lack strong male role models in

01:46:16.100 the public eye, especially when we've got public figures with strong influence amongst

01:46:21.940 young men and boys who are constantly like criticizing 304s, but like bragging about

01:46:28.180 what do you mean? You got to entertain. No, but we've also got Myron Gaines. Let's see what Myron

01:46:32.660 has to say. What do you got, Myron? Well, I think what we tell guys, you know, if you watch the

01:46:37.940 content, we talk a lot about self-improvement going in the gym, understanding that, you know,

01:46:41.160 you got to be the best version of yourself and then, you know, obviously pursue the women after you

01:46:45.140 become that complete package because nowadays with the way hypergamy is, women don't want average

01:46:49.240 men anymore. So we're very vocal about that. I think people only look at the content of me

01:46:53.380 debating, you know, women or whatever. They don't look at all the self-improvement content

01:46:56.120 I put out on, you know, improving your credit, real estate investing, getting in the gym and

01:46:59.620 training. No, I've seen a lot of that. And I agree with you on a lot of things. Yes, and how

01:47:02.680 Jews control everything. I don't agree with you like having multiple women. That too. But like,

01:47:07.380 because I know that you believe in like a strong father figure and traditional values, but you just

01:47:11.400 don't practice that. So I'm, that's what... Well, here's the thing. No, no, no. Here's the thing.

01:47:15.580 What I teach guys is you need to get in a position where you choose what you want to do. If you want

01:47:20.460 to go and have 10 girlfriends, you can. If you want to go ahead and be a monogamous guy and live a

01:47:24.200 certain lifestyle, you could do that too. But the point is that guy needs to get to a position where

01:47:27.640 he can make that choice. If you had a daughter, would you be okay with that? I mean, if I had a

01:47:31.860 daughter... Would you be okay with her being with a man that has 10 different women? Yes. And I'll tell

01:47:36.760 you why, because that's, that's, that's reality, right? Because like, this is, this is the ugly part that

01:47:40.460 women don't like to understand. Neither do man, bro. You can either become the punisher if that

01:47:45.200 happens. Well, here's the thing. I have to be honest with her. Like the reality is that women

01:47:49.240 think that they're going to have a higher status guy all to themselves. It just doesn't work that

01:47:52.380 way most of the time. That's not what women are. Women are dating in their socioeconomic status,

01:47:56.500 in their age. Like women are just dating people in their, in their social space. I'm sorry. I don't

01:48:01.200 know what to tell you. You guys are wrong. Just go look up the data. The reality is that women are

01:48:05.140 dating people in their social sphere. This is why warm approaches are good. And Tinder is AIDS. You

01:48:09.320 shouldn't go on Tinder, by the way. But when you talk about who you're marrying, it's people in

01:48:13.340 your social space with similar values and similar socioeconomic status. This is why you never listen

01:48:16.860 to women's dating. No one cares. The reality is. Science is really spooky. No, no, no. Because,

01:48:21.160 because here's the thing. Studies are not going to replicate this. The reality is women have access

01:48:24.340 to higher status guys via the internet, via Instagram, et cetera. So you might meet a girl. Studies can

01:48:28.780 replicate this. Like literally walk me through the process of how a scientific study can't capture

01:48:33.700 which socioeconomic status people are marrying within. Like literally tell me the science that can't do it. Marrying within and then

01:48:39.280 having access to and dating, et cetera, are two different things. So what I'm trying to explain

01:48:43.180 here is that regular women have access to above average men. A girl, a lot of the times, especially

01:48:48.800 if she's attractive to some degree, has probably dated an NBA player or met with a celebrity or

01:48:52.980 whatever. What percentage of women do you think have met or dated an NBA player? Women have way more

01:48:56.600 sexual access to men than men have to women. So what I'm saying is that that shapes the way they view

01:49:03.400 men. That shapes what they think they deserve. That shapes their worldview a lot of the times.

01:49:07.380 If a girl dates an NBA player, she's going to think, damn, I qualify for this level of guy.

01:49:12.140 Average men are no longer worth it because women have a perpetual mindset of the grass is greener

01:49:17.080 on the other side. So that's what I'm trying to say. So my thing is I tell guys, be the grass on

01:49:21.680 the other side that's greener. Be the more attractive guy because it's going to be extremely competitive

01:49:25.480 for you. And then I want the guy to be able to decide what he wants to do. You want to be a monogamous

01:49:28.720 in a Christian relationship? Fantastic. Go do it. You want to go ahead and have a bunch of girls?

01:49:32.500 Go do it. My thing is I want men to have the choice, not women, because women have the choice.

01:49:37.040 They ruin your fucking life. We got a couple of people. Thank you so much. Now one of our

01:49:42.240 last people, Noah Sanders, come on down. Hopefully we can get through. We love Noah. Come on.

01:49:51.200 Come on down, Noah. Hopefully we can get through one or two more before we go. What do you got

01:49:55.300 for us, Noah? All right. Thank you all for coming out here tonight. I'm down here. I'm up here

01:50:01.100 from Atlanta, so I'm very glad I could make it up. Thank you, Noah, for coming down.

01:50:05.280 With second wave feminism, women were encouraged to get jobs and have careers, and that's a

01:50:10.200 great thing that they had that option. But due to that, the workforce was doubled overnight.

01:50:15.700 That caused more workers competing for jobs, driving down overall wages. That led to the

01:50:19.580 standard of dual-income households, making it nearly impossible for a sole breadwinner

01:50:23.320 to own a home or raise a family. Do we think, do y'all believe that coupled with modern feminism

01:50:30.180 promoting long-term, not promoting long-term relationships or marriages, that it has all

01:50:34.940 ultimately led to the economic struggles that we as young people are facing today?

01:50:39.120 Yes.

01:50:39.240 No. Absolutely not. And I'm so glad you brought up the economy.

01:50:43.160 All right. Not only is it inevitable that women are going to enter the workforce, it was necessary

01:50:48.820 because you have to compete as an economy at a global market. And it's very, very important

01:50:53.680 that your GDP is globally competitive. If everyone else lets women enter into the workforce, which

01:50:58.860 inevitably is going to happen if you're globally competing, increasing your labor product by 50%

01:51:04.180 is an explosion when it comes to economic momentum, things like productivity. The reality is that

01:51:11.200 women being in the workforce is a major part of what has led to the American predominance of the

01:51:16.880 economy. It's just going to be a good thing.

01:51:20.100 Planes crashing.

01:51:22.160 It's not at the cost of your children. Your children have a higher quality of life than they've ever had.

01:51:27.000 Why are you blaming women when you should be mad? Just come up.

01:51:30.240 We can't hear you. Don't get mad.

01:51:31.580 Don't get on the mic. If you have a point, wait, if you have a point, get up and go on

01:51:34.480 the mic real quick. And then Taylor Lorenz's ex, come on down. You're going to be our last

01:51:38.340 one. If you want to say something, get on the mic back there. We like an aggressive female

01:51:42.300 like you.

01:51:46.940 We're sexist, too.

01:51:47.940 Thank you, Noah. We love you, Noah. You made some great points.

01:51:50.500 We already said we don't like men.

01:51:51.480 All right. Get on the mic.

01:51:53.000 I'm here because my husband, Eric McCartney, watched y'all show. I yell at him like we need

01:52:00.500 a date night and he watches y'all shit. This is our fucking date night.

01:52:05.400 Yeah. Yeah. The man's making good decisions, obviously.

01:52:08.620 Dead ass. Dead ass. I'm a supportive woman.

01:52:11.720 Okay. We've raised nine children between us. Yours, mine, ours, and theirs.

01:52:17.680 Three biological. Okay. I understand what y'all saying. Yes. Women, we deserve a right to go to work.

01:52:25.260 We own our house because I worked hard enough to buy it myself, but we cannot be legally married

01:52:32.320 because America no longer supports family fucking counsel.

01:52:37.860 Wait. So you can't be married to your husband.

01:52:40.740 Why can't you be married?

01:52:42.000 You get less benefits.

01:52:44.160 Why can't you be married?

01:52:44.820 No matter how much you work.

01:52:45.980 You're committing social services fraud?

01:52:46.940 I worked my ass off.

01:52:48.120 What's happening?

01:52:48.380 My parents were crackheads and heroin addicts.

01:52:49.840 You were going to go to jail, ma'am.

01:52:50.980 I was in foster care.

01:52:52.160 Millions of people watch this podcast.

01:52:53.800 I worked my ass off to get my house.

01:52:56.000 I bought my house on my name, but guess what?

01:52:58.160 My husband pays for it.

01:53:00.200 Once I worked hard enough, I said that.

01:53:01.300 Okay. Mortgage fraud is a crime, and we don't need to.

01:53:04.460 I said, why can't you be married?

01:53:05.920 You know what I mean?

01:53:06.440 No. I have no idea what you mean.

01:53:08.000 The system of welfare benefits favors single women.

01:53:10.120 I know you don't, because you're like a little jeepsy bitch that probably caps.

01:53:14.300 I don't know why you're saying that.

01:53:15.620 I'm a jeepsy bitch.

01:53:16.160 But I'm from Baltimore, bitch.

01:53:17.740 I came from the bottom, and I worked my way up.

01:53:20.560 That's awesome.

01:53:21.280 Give it up for her.

01:53:22.280 All right, go sit down.

01:53:23.100 That's what true feminism is.

01:53:25.640 If you find a man that you know will support you, you work hard enough to hold your own

01:53:31.940 jeep down, and they're like, oh, yes, bitch.

01:53:33.900 I got you.

01:53:35.300 That's what it boils down to.

01:53:37.100 Why is a competitive GDP important?

01:53:39.480 I'm sorry if you don't get that.

01:53:39.620 I'm sorry about that.

01:53:40.340 Why is a competitive GDP important for a country?

01:53:42.940 Huh?

01:53:43.440 Why is a competitive GDP important for a country?

01:53:46.320 This bitch is drunk.

01:53:47.160 She doesn't know shit about GDP.

01:53:48.080 I don't know that shit, but that ain't real reality of America.

01:53:51.080 Honey, I'm an American.

01:53:53.280 That is going to go down on the same question.

01:53:55.340 Let's see their green cards first.

01:53:57.120 I need a little thing.

01:53:58.500 I love that argument.

01:53:59.340 I'm talking about the everyday American that works every single day.

01:54:01.840 All right.

01:54:02.180 Thank you so much.

01:54:03.480 Thank you.

01:54:03.960 Thank you.

01:54:03.980 I added a lot.

01:54:05.000 Graph go up.

01:54:05.980 Why?

01:54:06.720 I'll ask you, Tim, if you're saying it's not graph go up.

01:54:09.560 I'm not saying just have a bigger GDP.

01:54:11.320 I'm saying competitive.

01:54:12.400 A competitive GDP.

01:54:13.380 Why does that matter?

01:54:14.460 When you have no kids, it doesn't.

01:54:15.860 Why does it matter for a nation state to have a competitive GDP?

01:54:18.400 If you have no kids, it doesn't.

01:54:20.060 It absolutely does.

01:54:21.140 Not if you've got no kids.

01:54:22.240 Yes, it does.

01:54:22.860 We've got a lot of populations in America.

01:54:23.680 Real quick, guys.

01:54:24.340 We're almost done.

01:54:25.100 Taylor Lorenz.

01:54:25.940 We wanted our one transgender representative because we need that.

01:54:29.620 All right.

01:54:29.900 Assassin's Creed.

01:54:30.640 You got one minute.

01:54:31.600 Taylor Lorenz.

01:54:32.380 Are you here?

01:54:33.080 Is Taylor Lorenz X here?

01:54:34.280 Oh, yeah.

01:54:34.580 There you go.

01:54:35.240 God, that mask.

01:54:36.040 You look so fucking scary.

01:54:37.560 First off, let me say I'm not wearing a spicy vest.

01:54:40.960 The American left has been getting pretty cozy with Muslim and Islam culture, and that

01:54:48.780 seems to be in direct conflict with their pet issues of feminism and LGBT.

01:54:53.580 As a center-right-leaning transsexual myself, I am concerned about the mainstreaming of Islam

01:54:57.820 and eventually Sharia law in this country.

01:54:59.860 And to tie it back into today's theme, I would imagine feminists would have similar feelings.

01:55:04.540 How does this conflict work itself out?

01:55:06.040 I feel that the left is just using feminism and LGBT as disposable weapons, useful only

01:55:11.400 when they align with their political goals.

01:55:13.140 What do you all think?

01:55:15.180 Go sit down, Taylor.

01:55:16.320 Don't land on your balls when you do.

01:55:17.920 I think that is a really good point about how modern feminism is very deferential to

01:55:22.060 Islam, which is weird.

01:55:23.500 I just, yeah, I agree.

01:55:24.920 I'm extremely anti-Muslim.

01:55:26.760 I think that Islam is extremely oppressive to women, and I'm not a fan of it.

01:55:31.260 And I actually agree.

01:55:31.840 I think it's an area that third wave neglected.

01:55:33.520 Fourth wave is actually a lot more attentive to it.

01:55:35.220 Yeah, feminism is mostly bad.

01:55:36.480 We agree.

01:55:37.200 Is what?

01:55:38.120 What?

01:55:38.800 I just didn't hear you.

01:55:40.600 All right.

01:55:41.700 Well, guys, give it up for yourselves.

01:55:43.600 Thank you guys for being here this evening.

01:55:47.080 Now, before we end, Angela, you go first.

01:55:50.000 Say where people can find you and how they can support you.

01:55:51.920 Oh, thank you so much.

01:55:53.280 I'm at AngelaBellCamino on X, TikTok, Instagram, all that jazz.

01:55:58.100 Thanks, guys, for having me.

01:56:01.400 Myron Gaines X on everything.

01:56:03.580 Rumble, YouTube kick, et cetera.

01:56:05.080 And Fresh and Fit podcast, as you guys know.

01:56:07.280 Go live every day, and yeah.

01:56:11.180 I'm primetime pimp on a blimp.

01:56:12.620 Thank you guys for being here.

01:56:13.560 We're going to do some more of these.

01:56:15.220 These wouldn't be possible without you guys, so thank you guys for being here.

01:56:19.660 Thank you guys for hosting me.

01:56:20.740 Thank you guys for being so gracious as to bring me here.

01:56:22.440 Not so erudite everywhere.

01:56:23.980 YouTube, Twitter, you can fight with me there.

01:56:25.780 You all had big opinions, so come fight with me.

01:56:27.880 Yeah, I'm Kat.

01:56:30.660 Thank you all.

01:56:31.800 Kat Timph on everything.

01:56:33.960 And yeah, can't wait to hear from all you guys.

01:56:39.380 Thank you.

01:56:40.080 All right, everybody.

01:56:41.380 Thank you so much for coming out to our third Culture War Live.

01:56:44.720 We have many more in the works.

01:56:46.100 We are planning them out.

01:56:47.080 We will set them up.

01:56:48.000 Who knows where we'll be?

01:56:49.000 Maybe New York.

01:56:49.680 Maybe D.C.

01:56:50.580 Maybe Florida.

01:56:51.560 We'll figure it out.

01:56:52.720 You guys can follow me on Instagram at Timcast.

01:56:55.100 Stay tuned.

01:56:55.760 More to come throughout the day, and we'll see y'all next time.

01:56:58.040 Peace.

01:57:03.900 Give it up, guys.

01:57:04.920 Give it up one more time for our panel and for DC Comedy Live.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - August 15, 2025

Has Feminism Destroyed The West？ Myron Gaines vs Kat Timpf w⧸ Alex Stein & Tim Pool

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