The Culture War - Tim Pool - Inside The Leftist PSYOP To Divide Christianity

00:00:00.140 Marco Rubio is a Catholic, not Mormon.

00:00:01.920 Christopher Hale, the man pushing this lie,

00:00:03.380 also pushed a story in April claiming Pentagon official Elbridge Colby

00:00:06.160 has threatened Cardinal Pierre in a 2026 meeting, which turned out to be fake.

00:00:09.480 What is Hale's goal here?

00:00:10.880 This is what I want to talk about with him.

00:00:11.860 This is what I wanted to talk about last week.

00:00:13.460 What is going on in Catholicism?

00:00:14.720 Catholicism, I'm a Protestant.

00:00:15.660 These things are kind of foreign to me.

00:00:16.800 This Christopher Hale guy, what is his angle?

00:00:19.380 What is going on?

00:00:20.140 Is there an op at play?

00:00:21.740 I'm not entirely sure.

00:00:22.440 We're going to bring on Wade here to discuss.

00:00:24.600 Let's see.

00:00:25.660 Hey, Wade, can you hear me?

00:00:27.240 I can, Tate.

00:00:28.180 Oh, and we can hear you.

00:00:29.380 we're in business we're in business well wade thank you very much for coming on today look

00:00:34.380 people probably saw you uh you know i think it was wednesday or thursday and we tried to

00:00:38.660 previously have you on obviously we had some tragic audio issues so i'm very glad to have

00:00:43.140 you back on and uh your thread this is the thread that caught my eye was this thread on christopher

00:00:47.800 hale now of course yeah thanks for having me on tate i appreciate it yeah absolutely now you know

00:00:52.800 granted a lot of people have probably seen stuff from christopher hale and they're not entirely

00:00:56.220 sure what to make of him. Maybe you could give people a quick intro of who you are, what

00:00:59.820 you do, and sort of what this whole saga is really about and what it says about this current

00:01:04.380 moment we're in. Yeah, so I'm Wade Searle. I'm a 23-year-old recent Catholic convert

00:01:09.180 who works for LifeSite News as their media and Pentagon correspondent. So Christopher

00:01:14.320 Hale, a lot of people have seen him on Twitter, and he sort of presents himself as this well-meaning

00:01:20.120 and legitimate Catholic journalist who's just presenting the facts about MAGA and about

00:01:25.940 their treatment of Catholics and about how Catholic the MAGA movement really is. And of

00:01:30.820 course, he paints this in a negative light. He tries to agitate Catholics against the MAGA

00:01:35.600 movement. And so you can do some cursory digging into who this guy really is. But I think it's

00:01:40.540 important first to point out the stories that he's pushed recently, right? So last week,

00:01:45.560 just before Marco Rubio met with Pope Leo, he claimed that Marco Rubio is Mormon. And so this

00:01:53.120 tweet blew up because of course you can just google this information marco rubio is not mormon

00:01:59.140 he's catholic marco rubio attended a mormon church uh in his teenage years so he was mormon for a

00:02:05.720 little bit and then converted to catholicism and attends a catholic church so marco rubio is

00:02:11.800 catholic um obviously that's just like straight up disinformation and of course when he's pushed

00:02:17.540 on this everyone in the replies is saying this just like blatantly isn't true he says oh well

00:02:23.400 like read my sub stack to find out like my full um you know here's the link here's the link to

00:02:29.000 all my socials and you can find my full analysis on marco rubio this is the same guy who back in

00:02:35.120 april was pushing this big story your audience may remember um where cardinal pierre met with

00:02:41.420 pentagon official elbridge colby and they were meeting over the war in iran and there was this

00:02:47.040 big report that elbridge colby threatened the vatican threatened cardinal pierre right and

00:02:52.760 said the vatican better support what trump is doing in iran basically or else um and it turned

00:02:58.680 out you know so this story blows up the mainstream media covers this this is one of hale's most

00:03:04.740 viewed tweets this is one of his most viewed threads and stories this is a huge claim to fame

00:03:09.600 for him this year and it turns out later the entire story is fake like this just never the

00:03:16.060 threat never happened. The Holy See denies this. Cardinal Pierre denies this. They all say that,

00:03:21.840 you know, the meeting was tense, but it was cordial and there was no threats made. Nothing

00:03:26.160 like that. The Pentagon denies this. And so it comes out after the fact, you know, after all the

00:03:31.240 views roll in, after he gets the Twitter payout, after this lie essentially spreads around the

00:03:37.440 country, suddenly the truth comes out. But of course, you know, in the current media space

00:03:41.980 we're in, the truth does not spread as fast as these lies. It takes absurdly and exponentially

00:03:48.500 more energy to disprove a lie than it does to tell a good one. And so what Christopher Hale does

00:03:55.040 is he pushes just straight up falsehoods that sort of, and there's two goals here.

00:04:01.420 And this is important for people to remember. One of the goals, of course, is to align and confuse

00:04:08.040 Catholics. So misaligned and confused Catholics. So a lot of Catholics, unfortunately, a lot of

00:04:14.340 cradle Catholics are not really well catechized into the faith. For example, 70% of cradle

00:04:20.180 Catholics think that the Eucharist is merely symbolic, whereas it actually has Christ has

00:04:26.540 real presence in the Eucharist. And Christ is truly present in the Eucharist. So a lot of

00:04:32.820 cradle Catholics are not really very well informed in their faith. And so Christopher Hale sort of

00:04:37.580 cynically using this fact. And, you know, he started this organization, Catholics for Harris

00:04:44.320 in the 2024 election. And specifically, what he said to the media who asked him, you know, why

00:04:50.660 did you start this? Like, what's your goal with this? He said that he wanted to give Catholics

00:04:54.780 permission structures to vote for Harris. So a lot of Catholics are like, you know, 0.72

00:04:59.800 Harris supports abortion. Isn't that against the Catholic faith? And so they would be correct.

00:05:04.540 And so Christopher Hale's goal here is to misalign and confuse Catholics into basically supporting the Democrat agenda. 0.68

00:05:14.660 He's trying to twist Catholic doctrine in a way where Catholics who maybe don't know their faith as well, maybe can't defend it as well in their minds or to their friends, can be sort of convinced, you know, maybe I can vote for Kamala Harris.

00:05:29.720 Maybe I can vote for these pro-abortion Democrats.

00:05:31.960 Or maybe I can just stay home.

00:05:33.520 You know, I see that Marco Rubio is this Mormon who hates the Pope and the Pentagon's threatening the Vatican and they hate my faith.

00:05:41.880 Well, maybe I'll just stay home, you know.

00:05:43.820 And so this is, of course, his goal.

00:05:46.400 But who actually is Christopher Hale?

00:05:48.760 Right. This is the important part.

00:05:50.440 So he worked for the Obama-Biden White House and campaign, and then he went on to run for Congress and obviously failed.

00:05:58.660 But it's important to know in his congressional platform, he had a section on his website, which is still up, where it says, you know, this is his position, official position on choice.

00:06:10.340 By the way, he ran as a pro-life Democrat, but this is his official position on choice.

00:06:16.440 Roe v. Wade was a monumental decision that guaranteed women the fundamental right of reproductive choice.

00:06:22.780 I'll defend that right wholeheartedly in Congress.

00:06:25.440 And the question obviously is right to do what? The fundamental right to do what? And so obviously this is someone who planned on getting in Congress. And yeah, this guy was, spoiler alert, this guy was not planning on being a pro-life Democrat. I think that's pretty obvious.

00:06:44.040 um so he runs he runs this organization called catholics and alliance for the common good

00:06:51.020 and this is kind of where he got his start this was earlier in his career and it was expressly

00:06:56.660 founded to subvert the catholic church by provoking a revolution within the church and this was

00:07:02.940 revealed in wiki leaks um in 2012 and it was funded it got four uh it got 450 000 from george

00:07:15.020 soros's open society institute go figure so yeah of course and it's funny how this like always

00:07:21.680 somehow this always comes back to george soros it's like reality reality just bends to what like

00:07:27.960 the boomer the conspiracy minded boomer thinks is happening it's like in a lot of cases they're

00:07:33.000 right George Soros's fingerprints are literally on everything somehow yeah um so obviously this

00:07:40.600 stream of like fake stories and just straight up fake news it's not a coincidence right right the

00:07:45.800 democrats have been losing republicans um or the democrats have been losing catholics and they've

00:07:51.440 completely lost the white catholic vote now yeah um and it's been trending more and more republican

00:07:56.920 over time, especially with nonwhite Catholics, they've been breaking hard for Republicans

00:08:01.060 recently. In 2008, Republicans only won 30% of nonwhite Catholics. Now it's 40%. In 2008,

00:08:08.820 Democrats won 43% of white Catholics. Now they're only winning 35%. So the amount of Catholics who

00:08:17.080 are voting Democrat is shrinking and shrinking. And I think what Christopher Hale and other

00:08:23.660 Democrat Catholic liberal media apologists have sort of realized is that there's really no way

00:08:31.240 to convince the majority of Catholics to vote Democrat. And so now the goal is to confuse

00:08:37.780 Catholics and at least trick them into no longer supporting MAGA. And this sets them up for 2028

00:08:44.200 in a big way. If you'll notice, these people fixate on J.D. Vance and Marco Rubio. And so

00:08:50.080 they say, you know, any statement that J.D. Vance makes about the Pope, they say that, oh, this guy

00:08:55.540 hates the Pope. This guy isn't a Catholic. You know, look at his book. The cover of his book

00:09:01.160 is actually a Methodist church. And so this means he's not a true Catholic. This means he's deceiving

00:09:05.900 all of us. His conversion wasn't legitimate. And now I think they don't really know yet what to do 0.99

00:09:13.860 with Marco Rubio. Yeah. Christopher Hale said that Marco Rubio's meeting with Pope Leo was icy

00:09:19.980 because there was one picture where Leo wasn't smiling when they met or something, just like

00:09:25.940 the biggest stretch ever. And also he's pushing that Rubio is Mormon. So I think they don't really

00:09:31.720 know what to do with Rubio, but clearly the goal here is to paint early as they can. Vance and

00:09:38.400 Rubio is anti-Catholic. I think they're making an early play to confuse Catholics about Vance and

00:09:43.800 Rubio as we head into 2028. I mean, I think you're absolutely right. And this is why I'm so glad you're

00:09:48.560 sounding the alarm bell on it. Because I mean, look, I was making this point when that initial

00:09:52.320 Elbridge Colby story blew, which first of all, like I know, I don't know him personally, I know

00:09:56.740 of Elbridge Colby, but I know people that work in fairly close proximity to him. I hope I'm not

00:10:01.000 blowing up their spot here. But when that article came out, I was texting a few of them. I was like,

00:10:04.580 guys like what's going on here and they're like he's confused he's catholic he's like what's going

00:10:09.820 on yeah um so it's just bizarre from the outset and they're like no that that didn't happen i was

00:10:15.000 one guy was like i was in the room that didn't happen um right beyond that i i think i'm glad

00:10:20.520 you're sending the alarm bell because you know at that time people were saying well you're really

00:10:24.260 roughing up on catholics and my point was that i was trying to make at least was you know there's

00:10:28.520 so much vitriol targeted towards evangelicals even towards like more mainline protestants and

00:10:32.820 they're saying, well, they're so susceptible to ops, you know, like, obviously, there's been a

00:10:37.280 lot of influence from like, sort of the Christian Zionist wing within the broader kind of Christian

00:10:41.980 apparatus. And they're saying, well, you know, they're able to just swindle evangelicals to 0.85

00:10:46.120 keep them supporting Israel. And that is broadly true. But my point was, all of Christianity is 0.99

00:10:53.300 getting attacked and swayed by ops all of the time. Because when that initial story broke out,

00:10:58.440 you did see a lot of prominent Catholic people come out and they were like, see, this is proof

00:11:04.180 that, you know, MAGA is anti-Catholic. We have no place in this country. And they just basically

00:11:08.660 out of themselves as part of like a fifth column, like right away, all it took was one fake story.

00:11:13.460 What I think was going on is they already hated Trump for various other reasons. And they were

00:11:18.480 just waiting for an opportunity to be able to justify it by saying it's because I'm a devout

00:11:22.040 Catholic. That's when I posed to MAGA. Because if you look at the bigger picture and you ask most

00:11:26.040 normal Catholics, you know, not terminally online Catholics. They're just like, yeah,

00:11:30.720 I don't know. Trump got Roe v. Wade overturned. So yeah, he's got my vote. I mean, that's like

00:11:34.960 a really big issue for me. I mean, obviously the pro-life movement in the United States,

00:11:38.280 the engine room has been Catholics, about Catholics. And so if you talk to those people, 0.60

00:11:42.620 they're like, yeah, why would I vote for the party that wants to over, you know,

00:11:46.500 reinstitute all of the problems that came with Roe v. Wade? I'll go with the candidate that at

00:11:51.620 least puts up a fight. So I remember when all that happened and people were like, yeah,

00:11:54.840 you really are. But my point was, no, all devout Christians in the West in 2026 are devout in spite 0.76

00:12:01.660 of their institutions, not because of it. Because again, at the institutional level, there's so much

00:12:05.940 pressure put on sort of their devout, you know, actual believers. And, you know, I hear this all

00:12:11.140 the time from, you know, I'm a, I'm a Protestant, but I hear this all the time. The majority of my

00:12:14.320 friends in DC are Catholic, which is, you know, well reported on the Washington Post talked about

00:12:18.000 it, that there's, you know, a big swing in Catholicism among conservatives in DC. And

00:12:23.680 they always talk about like i have a lot of trouble finding a traditional latin mass and

00:12:27.800 you know if i try to take the communion you know on the tongue rather than um you know in my palm

00:12:32.700 you know they'll like one guy one of my buddies is saying i tried to kneel to take it on the tongue

00:12:36.920 and the priest slapped me so it's like there's a lot of institutional pressure to break this

00:12:42.140 conservative strain the problem is and i think this is partially why catholics are swinging so

00:12:47.880 hard to the republican party is because most catholics that are liberal or ambivalent are

00:12:52.380 just leaving the church because we have seen that every strain of Christianity in the United States

00:12:56.680 is losing membership. And I think what's happening is all of these churches, Catholic, Protestant,

00:13:01.500 you name it, are just becoming more conservative because the devout ones are staying. They're the

00:13:05.240 ones that are saying, no, I believe this. This is true. I believe this is true. I'm staying. I'm

00:13:09.380 not going anywhere. So by default, it's shifting these institutions, at least the actual body of

00:13:14.660 believers, more to the right. Therefore, they're going to vote Republican at a higher rate. Is

00:13:19.660 that true do you think that's you agree with my you're right and the data supports that the less

00:13:23.600 often that a catholic goes to mass the more likely that catholic is to vote democrat and that sort of

00:13:28.240 scales of age but particularly with young people yeah uh yeah if they attend mass weekly they are

00:13:33.980 much more likely to be conservative they're much more likely to vote republican in america

00:13:37.840 and if they only go every few months or maybe if they don't go at all almost all of that group is

00:13:43.320 democrat and of course they become all groups become more conservative as they get older

00:13:48.620 And the data shows that. But I think it's interesting, you know, there's this particular, this particular attempt to sort of like negatively polarize Catholics into joining the Democrat Party. I think it's really not working because Catholics know what the Democrat Party is like, this is the party of third trimester abortions. This is the party of child sex changes. This is the party where everybody is transgender, right?

00:14:12.640 And so Harris runs, Harris does horribly with Catholics, like historically bad with Catholics. 0.74

00:14:20.000 And it's because Catholics saw what the Biden administration was like, right?

00:14:24.820 The Biden administration, there were text messages revealed in the Senate investigation

00:14:28.420 where two Biden DOJ lawyers were planning to prosecute Catholic nuns that wear traditional

00:14:34.600 veils.

00:14:35.320 And they literally said, I'd like to prosecute any nun that still wears the head habit.

00:14:40.020 Ha ha ha.

00:14:40.460 And it's like, you know, this is clearly not a party that is friendly to Catholics. This is the administration, the Biden administration, monitored a traditional priest and his family, opened a profile in his entire church.

00:14:52.080 There was an FBI memo that came out using the SPLC as a source that said traditional Latin Mass Catholics and their communities were hotbeds for terrorism and extremism.

00:15:04.680 And I'll tell you something, Tate, I go to a traditional Latin Mass.

00:15:08.060 And when I go to a traditional Latin Mass, it's the most beautiful mass I've ever seen.

00:15:12.060 And when I look around, I do not see terrorists.

00:15:14.740 I do not see extremists.

00:15:16.580 I see strong fathers who care for their families and protect their families.

00:15:20.520 I see loving mothers who love their children and care for their children.

00:15:24.800 I see a lot of young people.

00:15:26.480 I see a lot of young men who love Jesus and they love their country.

00:15:29.680 I see a lot of young women.

00:15:31.540 And this is not acceptable for Democrats to be antagonizing Catholics like this and then lying to their face.

00:15:39.500 What Christopher Hale is doing is he is insulting the intelligence of every Catholic,

00:15:44.320 spitting in their face and saying, you should vote for the party that literally wants to throw you 0.99

00:15:50.300 in jail, maybe worse, maybe kill you for your faith. And I don't think Catholics are falling 0.99

00:15:55.500 for it. And I don't think they should. So yeah, people should be aware who this guy is. People 1.00

00:15:59.360 should be aware generally of this op that is taking place among liberal Catholics in the media 0.99

00:16:05.660 who are trying to trick you. When you see a post, you almost never see a post from Catholic media 0.72

00:16:11.900 that does not have an agenda behind it, right?

00:16:14.720 And so Catholics need to keep that in mind

00:16:16.440 when you're scrolling social media,

00:16:17.900 when you're scrolling Twitter.

00:16:19.240 What's almost more important when you see a post,

00:16:22.660 it's not necessarily the what, it is the who.

00:16:25.800 Who is posting this?

00:16:27.300 Why are they telling me this information?

00:16:29.540 What is their agenda?

00:16:31.400 And when you take a cursory look

00:16:33.120 into these types like Christopher Hale,

00:16:35.200 this is their agenda.

00:16:36.700 This is the party they're supporting.

00:16:38.500 Yeah, absolutely.

00:16:39.580 I'm so glad you're saying this.

00:16:40.840 And beyond that, Christopher Hale is specifically, and sort of his cohort, I do think there's other people that kind of would classify similarly to him. They're doing this weird thing where they're taking on almost like the animating aesthetics of like a trad cath and so far as like chest beating over the Pope and that sort of thing, but not actually having any of the policies that you would expect to see from like a more traditional Catholic.

00:17:02.700 And what I mean by that is, again, when Trump was sort of exchanging blows in the media with Pope Leo, they were coming out and they were saying, this is an attack on the Pope.

00:17:11.180 By proxy, this is an attack on all Catholics.

00:17:13.420 All base trad cats rise. 0.86

00:17:14.940 We're going to start a new crusade and take out Trump.

00:17:16.960 And you're like, are you new around here?

00:17:18.960 This is how the United States has always been.

00:17:21.000 We've never been subject to the Pope.

00:17:23.740 He's been fair game to criticize.

00:17:25.620 That's how the United States has always been. 0.72

00:17:27.340 And by the way, every Catholic understood this.

00:17:29.040 And then you open his profile, you scroll down, he's retweeting like James Martin.

00:17:33.260 Yeah, I know, literally.

00:17:34.580 And it's like, yeah, first of all, every Catholic is aware of that when they come to the United States.

00:17:38.560 Like, they're not under the impression that this is like some base trad Catholic country.

00:17:41.620 Like, they're very aware, like, that it's the nativist sentiments, how they have existed.

00:17:45.840 But I think what's going on, there's two things going on here.

00:17:47.800 I think the first thing is part of the reason that Catholics and Protestants increasingly so have been able to sort of link shields is because the secularism in the United States has risen so much that

00:17:57.760 any nativist sentiment that existed we're just looking around like i don't know we disagree on

00:18:02.640 the eucharist and a variety of other um theological points but generally we want the same thing um

00:18:07.720 these people want to basically kill us so uh maybe we'll put the sectarianism aside until after we

00:18:12.760 win then we can like re-litigate the reformation or something but you have this like segment of

00:18:17.560 people it's christopher hale types but then also there's other i would say subversive elements

00:18:21.180 who are like wanting to basically re-litigate the reformation right now when i don't know if i had

00:18:26.960 the ballpark, maybe 20% of the population is actually like devout Christian of any stripe.

00:18:31.060 It's like, what are we doing here? And the, you know, the unifying, I think the unifying factor

00:18:38.720 is this. They are attacking us fundamentally for our love for Jesus. They're attacking us because

00:18:45.820 we follow the teachings of Christ. And because we, you know, read our Bibles, like that is what

00:18:51.260 unites um protestants and catholics is our love for the faith our love for christ yeah and that's 0.56

00:18:57.980 what they're attacking us for you know when they jail uh all these pro-life activists when the

00:19:03.180 biden administration jailed these pro-life activists who are peacefully praying outside

00:19:07.400 of planned parenthood they're not like checking what denomination they are right you know they're

00:19:11.960 not letting the protestants go and targeting the catholics they're not letting the catholics go 0.75

00:19:16.000 and targeting the protestants it's just like you're praying you're under arrest you know your 0.53

00:19:20.940 hands are folded. And so I think Christians generally, I think there is a lot of Christian

00:19:26.340 unity that is happening because we see the behemoth, the enemy that is standing before us.

00:19:31.780 And it's like, they don't discriminate, you know? So I think you're right about that.

00:19:36.240 Yeah, absolutely. And so that's, that's what makes this up. And then, and then Christopher

00:19:39.660 Hale specifically, I mean, not to like rehash it, but he's literally like a DNC apparatchik.

00:19:43.760 Like this guy on the face is just someone you just shouldn't listen to. Now the thing,

00:19:49.060 what i'm thankful for is okay i'll caveat this by saying there's no not really any such thing as like

00:19:54.360 a normie oracle anymore like typically when there's a big political story people will say

00:19:57.960 well i was talking to one of my friends who's a total normie and he disagrees with your point

00:20:01.800 as to say like oh you know the people that touch grass disagree with you i don't think that's true

00:20:05.960 anymore i think everyone in the entire country kind of is affected by the political zeitgeist

00:20:10.800 even online to some degree but what is true is again if you were to scroll your timeline you'd

00:20:16.360 be under the impression that catholics were all like totally agreeing with christopher hale and

00:20:20.020 they're like no this is trump is evil and hates me or whatever when you speak to again just normal

00:20:25.060 catholic people that do have twitter accounts but they're not like obsessing over the for you page

00:20:29.360 they're just like yeah i mean i have some criticism sure like you know i do like the pope but why on

00:20:35.260 earth would i vote for the party that yeah like to your point jails pro-life activists um wants to

00:20:40.360 expand abortion to like post-birth in some cases i mean it's like very obvious what's going on here

00:20:45.320 Not necessarily that they don't know what's going on, but it's just they're not convinced that Trump is like this Oliver Cromwell region.

00:20:53.380 It's crazy.

00:20:54.220 Well, and notice like this guy gushes over like Pelosi and AOC for their Catholic faith.

00:20:58.480 Yeah, literally.

00:20:58.900 He lifts them up as like heroes of the Catholic faith.

00:21:01.700 And then J.D. Vance is like really like a minor disagreement with the Pope.

00:21:06.120 Yeah.

00:21:06.380 And suddenly we're beating our chests.

00:21:08.520 We're drawing our swords.

00:21:09.580 We're ready to go to war for the Vatican on America.

00:21:13.160 We're ready to like overthrow the government. 0.54

00:21:14.740 And I'm, you know, I'm exaggerating, but it's like, you know, where is that attitude when AOC

00:21:20.300 and Pelosi are pushing abortion? Yeah, literally. So this is the pro-life Democrat, by the way,

00:21:26.040 the pro-life Democrat Catholic. Very quiet when his entire party is trying to genocide the unborn.

00:21:33.040 You know, I think that would be like a bigger concern than whether or not Marco Rubio smiled

00:21:38.080 in a picture with the Pope. Like, what are we even doing here? Yeah. And I think, I don't know,

00:21:42.420 maybe you disagree with this. I'm not sure. I feel like Matt Walsh is like a good yardstick

00:21:46.180 to determine like how the average cradle Catholic feels because he just came out when this whole

00:21:50.180 saga was going. I was like, I don't know. I think Pope Leo is wrong on this. He's like,

00:21:53.460 I don't believe every single statement he ever makes is infallible. Like that's not Catholic 1.00

00:21:56.960 dogma. So I don't know why people are behaved. Cause you know, when I would debate some of my

00:22:00.480 Catholic friends, they would reliably inform me that, you know, the majority of statements from

00:22:04.880 the Pope is not, you know, ex cathedra. It's not binding. It's not infallible. But then all of a

00:22:09.740 sudden this you know rift occurs between vance trump and the pope and then all of a sudden all

00:22:15.320 of these like leftist catholics are like um actually no all of a sudden everything the pope

00:22:18.980 says is infallible and i'm like you guys can't even keep your stories like what's going on here

00:22:24.260 i think generally the war uh is pretty unpopular with catholics largely but it's like catholics

00:22:31.180 support catholics support trump you know like we we see what trump has done for the pro-life

00:22:37.420 community we you know he his judges overturned roe v wade and i think in a lot of cases you know

00:22:42.220 of course there's always more we could ask from trump of course yeah like you know trump and his

00:22:46.920 administration are pro-ibf i'm heavily against that as a pro-lifer and as a catholic um you know

00:22:52.520 i'm not too thrilled about the war i don't think a lot of catholics are either but it's like you

00:22:57.220 know you look on the other side you look on the alternative and it's like okay with trump i'm

00:23:01.460 going to disagree with him on a few things with biden and harris they're going to like put me in

00:23:05.980 jail yeah uh for attending a traditional latin mass they think i'm a domestic terrorist if i

00:23:11.140 um prefer the latin one like so you're not exaggerating either you're not exaggerating by

00:23:16.940 the way right there's there's absolutely no equivalency there right so i think what christopher

00:23:22.740 hale is doing is just frankly evil yeah absolutely do you think you know because we are sort of

00:23:27.500 coming down to the wire here do you think his op is having any success i mean you're a lot more

00:23:32.140 tapped into Catholic circles than I am. Do you think people are responding to that? Do you think

00:23:36.440 that fake news did poison the well enough where people will be considering these things, you know,

00:23:40.960 devout Catholics heading into, you know, the next midterm cycle and even the next presidential

00:23:44.840 election? What tends to happen is the Democrats always fall on their own sword, right? And so 0.96

00:23:49.980 even though if like narratively they make a few wins and they kind of like confuse a few Catholics

00:23:54.100 along the way, it's always election season when the number one issue Democrats run on is abortion,

00:23:59.060 right and so every catholic who's maybe like tapped a little out of politics they just like

00:24:03.960 scroll the news occasionally they see it's like okay your two options are uh dan who is like a 0.99

00:24:09.920 christian and has a wife and kids and then um like a black trans person who wants to kill every baby 0.98

00:24:16.460 in a 500 mile radius literally and i think your average catholic goes yeah actually i'm i kind of 0.98

00:24:23.620 don't care if vance was like rude once you know i kind of don't care that the circumference of

00:24:30.100 marco rubio's half smile wasn't satisfactory to christopher hale um yeah like the it's like

00:24:37.240 so i think i think catholics aren't going to fall for it i think this trend of catholics becoming

00:24:42.620 more conservative is going to continue yeah um and i think it's because a lot of these liberal

00:24:46.820 catholics are just falling off like they were never unfortunately they never truly believe

00:24:51.420 the core tenets of the faith. And I think that's actually very sad. But I think, yeah, they are 0.99

00:24:57.040 falling off. They're not attending mass as much. Increasingly, they're no longer identifying as

00:25:00.500 Catholic in the first place. So yes, Catholics are becoming more conservative over time.

00:25:05.100 Yeah. And I feel like kind of the thing, and again, correct me if I'm wrong here,

00:25:08.160 but I think the key thing that's happening here, why we're seeing that change is because I think

00:25:11.700 Catholicism in 2026 has fully, and I'm using this word precisely here, fully assimilated into

00:25:19.320 american folkways insofar as prior to maybe the 1990s catholicism was still seen as like a minority

00:25:25.180 identification so even if you were like an irish catholic from boston you hadn't been to mass in

00:25:30.140 years if someone asked you'd be like yeah i'm a catholic because what else is there to identify

00:25:34.920 as but now that catholicism has really just sort of integrated into the american folkways like no

00:25:39.560 one when they hear catholic assumes you're like i don't know an immigrant or irish or something

00:25:43.000 now liberal catholics have permission to no longer identify as catholic because catholicism as a

00:25:48.520 culture is no longer integral to their, you know, self-identification. It's just now a religion as

00:25:54.020 is, you know, if you're a Presbyterian or a Methodist or Baptist or something like that.

00:25:58.840 Yeah, I think you're right about that. I think, you know, maybe in the past,

00:26:02.340 I'll, you know, I'll be the first to admit America is not a Catholic country. That's not 0.85

00:26:07.060 really part of its founding. Yeah. And I'll be, you know, I'll say this, I think with a lot of,

00:26:12.700 But with a lot of Catholics, maybe in the past who are liberal, part of being aggressively Catholic is sort of to like spite the American ethos, which is largely Protestant.

00:26:23.000 I think that was a big play, you know, in a century ago, maybe.

00:26:27.800 Yeah. But now Catholics are, yeah, like you said, more integrated into Americanism itself.

00:26:32.980 And I think there are a lot of, you know, I think the majority of Catholics are patriots.

00:26:36.860 So the majority of American Catholics, I would say, love their country and love Christ.

00:26:41.220 And I think that's the most important part.

00:26:42.700 Yeah, I absolutely agree.

00:26:43.740 I think that's really well put.

00:26:44.860 And yeah, I think when we win,

00:26:46.980 and I think when our win is so overwhelming

00:26:48.640 that there's no chance of the left coming back into power,

00:26:51.280 then I think we can be free to, you know,

00:26:53.800 re-litigate all of this and debate these things.

00:26:56.380 But as it stands right now, yeah,

00:26:58.160 when I'm looking across the aisle and it's like,

00:27:00.480 okay, yeah, we disagree on like,

00:27:02.100 I don't know, transubstantiation and like people

00:27:04.140 and, you know, authority or something.

00:27:06.560 And then, yeah, you look across the other side of the aisle 0.96

00:27:08.660 and they're like, yeah, I don't know if we're going to kill you 0.99

00:27:11.120 or maybe just torture you first. 0.98

00:27:12.480 like I'm not entirely sure we're still weighing that out I'm like okay I think it's kind of obvious

00:27:15.860 who my ally is here and who like I'm very similar to and uh who is my threat like people just have

00:27:21.800 a really bad front enemy distinction I think that's fundamentally what this comes down to

00:27:24.560 yeah I completely agree I think people need to conservative Catholics need to see people like

00:27:29.900 Christopher Hale as the enemy it's like I have I have less in common with him than I have of you

00:27:34.840 you know even though we're from different denominations um like clearly you know Christopher

00:27:40.220 Hale, if he were in power, right, if he had full control over the United States government,

00:27:45.880 I would probably fear for my safety. I don't think I would feel the safest attending traditional

00:27:51.720 Latin mass. I don't think I would feel the safest practicing my faith. If you ruled the entire

00:27:56.580 nation, right, I think I would feel a lot safer. Yeah. And so it's just sort of that idea is like,

00:28:03.840 yeah, the friend enemy distinction, as you were talking about, Christopher Hale is on the other

00:28:08.080 side. That is obviously he is against what I am about. Yeah, I think that's really well put. Wade,

00:28:14.000 thank you very much for hopping on today, dude. It was awesome to have you on. I'm glad we finally

00:28:17.560 were able to make it happen. Where can people find you for more? Yeah, of course, Tate. Thanks

00:28:22.660 so much for having me on. You can find me on Instagram and Twitter at Wade Searle. I'd also

00:28:26.940 encourage everyone to follow LifeSite socials as well. You can follow us on LifeSite at all

00:28:31.800 platforms and Catholic Sign of the Cross. Awesome. And can you spell your surname? Because it's

00:28:37.700 Searle, but it's a little different. Yes. So Wade Searle, S-E-A-R-L-E. Awesome, dude. Well,

00:28:42.700 thank you so much. And we'll have you back soon, dude. It was a blast. Awesome. Yeah. Thanks so

00:28:46.920 much, Dave. I appreciate it. All right, man. Take care. All right. Well, that was the great

00:28:50.220 Wade Searle. That was awesome to finally get him on because, yeah, I don't know if you guys

00:28:53.000 remember last week. I wanted to bring him on when his thread was first going around,

00:28:57.480 like how obvious this op is. And yeah, absolutely. I think he's one of the best. I think he's

00:29:01.580 fantastic. And yeah, it's just kind of hilarious that the Democrats really just are scrambling

00:29:06.460 and they're trying to effectively rope Catholics

00:29:09.480 back into their coalition

00:29:10.740 by promoting tribalism and like rage baiting.

00:29:15.860 It's really obvious what's going on here.

00:29:17.780 So with that, thank you very much for watching.

00:29:20.100 I'm gonna wind the show down.

00:29:21.280 I will see you guys tonight on Timcast.RL at 8 p.m.

00:29:23.840 So make sure you come hang out tonight

00:29:24.860 and follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown.

00:29:29.020 Come give me a follow and I'll hang out on there.

00:29:30.820 I'll see you guys there.

00:29:31.880 Thank you very much for watching

00:29:32.800 and I'll catch you guys next time.

00:29:36.460 Thank you.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - May 12, 2026

Inside The Leftist PSYOP To Divide Christianity

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