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00:00:59.340 Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, welcome to the culture war.

00:01:04.080 We have a very spicy topic today.

00:01:06.820 That's right.

00:01:07.400 Israel versus Palestine.

00:01:09.620 Is there a genocide currently going on in the Gaza Strip?

00:01:13.120 And we have two of the best Shabbos goys in the game to debate this right now.

00:01:17.520 Actually, Rathbone might be Jewish.

00:01:18.820 But before we figure all that out, we have a lot to discuss today.

00:01:24.040 And I know that this topic can get very spicy.

00:01:26.140 So I just encourage everybody to watch us on Rumble as well.

00:01:28.940 Because in case, for some odd reason, these two heathens, you know, get crazy and say something that is YouTube unfriendly,

00:01:37.020 we might have to take the stream down.

00:01:38.360 So we encourage everybody to watch on Rumble.

00:01:39.800 And before we get started, guys, you know who I am.

00:01:41.920 I'm Primetime99Alexstein, pimp on a blimp.

00:01:44.180 I got our co-host Tate Brown today filling in for Tim.

00:01:47.260 We got Kellen on the ones and twos.

00:01:48.960 And then let's introduce our two debaters.

00:01:51.620 We have a guy that has been shut down on TikTok.

00:01:55.080 He's been censored all over the Internet.

00:01:57.760 And, you know, his content is actually, you know, I don't even think it's that edgy, to be honest.

00:02:02.640 So with all that being said, I want to introduce Rathbone, legendary, anti-Israel.

00:02:07.580 Is that a way to describe you?

00:02:08.600 How is that how to describe you, Rathbone?

00:02:10.220 Legendary works pretty well.

00:02:11.600 Legendary is good.

00:02:12.260 He is legendary.

00:02:13.240 Sure, sure.

00:02:13.760 He is.

00:02:14.300 And describe yourself.

00:02:15.440 Introduce yourself, please.

00:02:16.280 Yeah, my name is Rathbone.

00:02:17.740 I'm a political satirist, musician, teacher, and now I'm a content creator.

00:02:23.400 And I'm live stream political commentary.

00:02:28.160 And I'm anti-Israel, yes.

00:02:30.920 You can definitely classify me as anti-Israel.

00:02:33.280 Yes, but not anti-Semitic.

00:02:34.540 Or maybe he is.

00:02:35.060 But we'll let you guys be the judge of that.

00:02:37.300 And then we also have, he's a legend in himself, in the making, a young legend.

00:02:42.560 He's a controversial guy.

00:02:43.780 He loves Israel so much.

00:02:45.060 But he's not Jewish.

00:02:45.760 He's Catholic.

00:02:46.820 With all that being said, we must introduce the one, the only Misfit Patriot.

00:02:49.980 Misfit, how are you doing?

00:02:51.020 Tell the audience about yourself, please.

00:02:53.220 Yeah.

00:02:53.880 I don't know.

00:02:54.880 Like, I guess I could, you could call me a contractor that uses the internet to make fun

00:03:00.540 of stupid people.

00:03:01.760 And I just do this as a hobby.

00:03:04.840 But apparently people think.

00:03:06.040 Not anymore.

00:03:06.900 Do not anymore.

00:03:07.700 It's not a hobby.

00:03:08.460 Dude, you are in the Newcastle castle.

00:03:10.720 You are in the big leagues.

00:03:12.180 And today, we also have to introduce Tate.

00:03:14.980 So tell us, Tate, a little bit about yourself and what we've got going on.

00:03:17.740 Yeah, what's up, everyone?

00:03:18.320 Tim Kassview, as you'll know me.

00:03:19.460 I've been filling in for Tim on the morning show for now.

00:03:22.520 He should be back Monday.

00:03:23.840 So it was a temporary gig.

00:03:25.220 But yeah, I'm here to help Alex wrangle these two cats today.

00:03:28.600 Yeah, I'm going to need it.

00:03:29.520 Okay, so I think what we're going to do is we're going to start and give you guys like

00:03:32.840 three to five minutes, however much time you guys need, to kind of give an opening statement.

00:03:36.980 And since you are pro-Israel and right now, let's be honest, a propaganda war is not going

00:03:41.600 in Israel's favor, we're going to give the floor to Misfit Patriot to save Benjamin Netanyahu

00:03:47.460 and this propaganda campaign that they're so desperately failing at.

00:03:51.820 Go ahead, Zach.

00:03:52.760 The floor is yours.

00:03:53.660 Yeah, it's actually, it's no shock that Israel's losing the propaganda war.

00:03:57.560 As I said before, you know, they're outnumbered 151 as far as, let's say, Muslim nations and

00:04:04.460 the people that support them versus Jews and the people that support Israel.

00:04:09.380 So when people make the argument that because they're losing, let's say, support online or

00:04:16.120 support, you know, in polling, it's really like, that's kind of like, yeah, no shit.

00:04:22.220 So I don't know how you really fix that.

00:04:25.880 I think that you sort of ignore that and just do what you need to do.

00:04:30.980 And everyone says that I'm like a huge staunch supporter of Israel when I'm not.

00:04:34.540 I say this all the time.

00:04:35.660 I'm perfectly fine with them doing whatever they need to do to protect their nation.

00:04:41.260 I think that they have a right to exist.

00:04:43.220 Obviously, I think New Zealand has a right to exist.

00:04:45.320 I think that Ireland has a right to exist.

00:04:47.180 As far as nation states go, if my country was attacked, let's say Mexico came in and,

00:04:53.480 you know, raped and murdered like 1,200 people and beheaded a bunch of people and filmed it

00:04:58.260 and put it on Telegram and we didn't go and freaking, you know, destroy that nation, I

00:05:03.900 think that we would be a huge failure.

00:05:05.280 So the argument that Israel should not be doing what they're doing, I would argue, is silly

00:05:13.420 because we have so many historical examples.

00:05:16.360 I mean, World War II and a bunch of different things that we could point to as to why they

00:05:22.840 should.

00:05:23.640 But as far as this debate goes, I don't know much about my opponent.

00:05:27.160 I don't know exactly.

00:05:28.800 That shouldn't matter.

00:05:29.500 He aligns ideologically, but he is anti-Israel.

00:05:33.660 I'm Israel neutral.

00:05:36.140 I'm very pro-Jew.

00:05:37.380 I'm very pro-Zionism.

00:05:38.980 I'm very pro, you know, anti-Islamic radical terrorism.

00:05:45.260 So I would take my arguments to him from three points, right?

00:05:50.000 Are you making a political, moral, or theological argument?

00:05:52.820 If you're making a moral argument, my question would be, why don't you make the same argument

00:05:57.480 about other conflicts, which I don't know if he does?

00:06:01.540 If you're making a political argument, I'd ask you to make your case without making an

00:06:04.160 argument for morality, because politics and morality kind of don't align.

00:06:07.920 And if you're making a theological argument, I'll ask you to make your argument without

00:06:11.040 arguing politically, because we're going to be talking about theological.

00:06:13.700 I think what people do is they conflate all of these issues and try to make this soup

00:06:18.440 of theological, moral, political, when there's conflicting narratives.

00:06:22.840 And that's my biggest gripe with the people that argue against Israel.

00:06:27.340 Are you arguing against the Jews?

00:06:29.000 Or are you arguing against a nation state with a government that has 120 people in it?

00:06:33.900 Because if you're making those arguments, I can pick them apart pretty easily.

00:06:37.200 That's good.

00:06:37.860 Three minutes.

00:06:38.480 Okay.

00:06:39.720 You said a lot, a lot of interesting things.

00:06:41.920 Now the floor is yours.

00:06:42.940 Rathbone, what do you say?

00:06:43.960 Okay.

00:06:44.120 Well, it's not really about what I or you believe or think.

00:06:49.760 International institutions are arrayed against Israel at this point.

00:06:54.100 They are condemning Israel, every relevant authority that pertains to diplomacy, international

00:07:02.620 laws, humanitarian laws, condemn Israel for the illegal occupation.

00:07:07.620 For me, it's the principal contradiction between an occupied people and an occupying army and

00:07:14.720 occupying force.

00:07:15.740 That is the legal distinction that's being made.

00:07:18.800 And I am simply transmitting those facts, sharing that information with you, because it's not

00:07:25.100 about what I personally believe or feel.

00:07:27.980 It's about what international institutions believe.

00:07:30.620 And, you know, we can go into the details, you know, further, but at this point, they've

00:07:42.620 lost the public opinion.

00:07:44.660 They've lost, and I'm part of that overwhelming majority of the public opinion that believes

00:07:49.280 that Israel is an apartheid ethnostate committing a mass atrocity.

00:07:53.540 Yes, it is a genocide.

00:07:55.960 And I think the evidence of that is very clear.

00:07:58.820 So, you know, I'm happy to go into it further, but I disagree with basically everything you

00:08:05.960 just said.

00:08:06.580 That's not shocking.

00:08:07.660 Yeah.

00:08:08.100 You know, I mean...

00:08:09.260 That does not surprise me.

00:08:10.840 It's not about Jews.

00:08:12.620 It's about the nations.

00:08:13.900 Like you said, you can't be Israel neutral and then pro-Zionist.

00:08:18.960 Okay?

00:08:19.300 I'd argue you can.

00:08:20.220 Okay.

00:08:20.660 Well, you can't, because Israel is pro-Zionist.

00:08:23.980 And if you are just saying, well, I'm just going to stay neutral, you are preserving the

00:08:29.320 status quo.

00:08:30.060 You're preserving the inherent violence of this settler colony that is ethnically cleansing

00:08:36.520 a land that is an indigenous majority of Palestinians, Muslims, however you want to classify them.

00:08:44.680 They're not Jewish.

00:08:45.600 And Israel is trying to establish a Jewish demographic majority in a land that is not demographically

00:08:52.200 majority Jewish.

00:08:53.680 So what do they have to do?

00:08:55.680 They have to ethnically cleanse and massacre every single non-Jew in order to establish first-rate

00:09:05.000 citizenship for Jewish people.

00:09:09.240 And that's abominable.

00:09:13.260 That's deplorable.

00:09:14.580 It shouldn't have no place in modern society.

00:09:17.340 And we should reject it and rebuke it and detest it outright.

00:09:21.460 That was good opening statements.

00:09:23.280 Tate, what do you want to say on this before we go into our first kind of topic?

00:09:26.940 Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, fundamentally, my position is America first, not America only.

00:09:31.560 I mean, obviously, American foreign policies would be realistic.

00:09:34.660 You're going to engage with other powers.

00:09:37.100 I mean, there is, yeah, there is a moral concern, obviously, with Israel's actions in the region,

00:09:44.120 broadly speaking.

00:09:45.040 But then there also is, I mean, a case to be made for a Jewish state, right?

00:09:50.180 I mean, after the circumstances of the 20th century.

00:09:52.860 So, yeah, I mean, I understand the case both ways.

00:09:56.680 But I do agree that I don't think people's opinion is turning on Israel purely because

00:10:02.280 of propaganda.

00:10:02.760 I do think their actions in the region are a bit concerning.

00:10:05.480 And specifically, the United States, I think, to some degree, is in violation of our America

00:10:10.260 first policy of the Trump administration.

00:10:13.000 People have concerns over that.

00:10:14.280 Yeah, no, I agree with that wholeheartedly.

00:10:16.040 And, you know, I want to go back to a day and age when Jews made movies and not used bombs

00:10:21.200 on churches.

00:10:22.100 You know, that's what they're better at.

00:10:23.820 You know, like, Jewish people are obviously very talented.

00:10:26.620 They're very smart.

00:10:27.800 They're very successful.

00:10:28.800 But when they tell me that they accidentally bombed a church or that they accidentally bombed

00:10:33.580 a hospital on live TV, I just think that they're too smart and too talented to make

00:10:37.520 those mistakes.

00:10:38.380 So for me, why I'm starting to, I guess, get not radicalized against Israel.

00:10:44.460 I support Israel's right, obviously.

00:10:46.400 But I'm just getting very frustrated because every single thing that we see on TV or on the

00:10:51.160 Internet makes it almost impossible to defend.

00:10:53.140 So I'm happy that we're having this conversation.

00:10:54.880 So the first thing that I want to talk about, and you brought it up, Rathbun, is that, and

00:10:59.580 Misfit, I want to get your opinion.

00:11:02.400 Benjamin Netanyahu is considered by the UN to be a war criminal.

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00:12:06.020 Why does the UN have a different opinion of him than Donald Trump?

00:12:09.940 And how guilty is he if they think he's a war criminal and obviously America doesn't?

00:12:14.800 Well, the UN had, what, 12 of their employees that were caught enacting the terrorist event of October 7th.

00:12:23.400 So I don't think the UN is the best source for morality.

00:12:27.160 I agree.

00:12:27.840 Like, you know, like condemnation of other people for doing things.

00:12:30.000 The UN is, it's an organization that I would say has an agenda that is totally anti-American.

00:12:36.960 They want to globalize.

00:12:39.660 It's essentially the new world order, right?

00:12:41.980 So I don't take anything that they say seriously.

00:12:44.200 They can give a fuck themselves.

00:12:45.920 My brother in Christ, the UN was created by the United States.

00:12:49.840 Yeah, but they're anti-American.

00:12:51.500 It's like, it doesn't matter if it was created.

00:12:53.380 The UN, no.

00:12:55.340 The UN.

00:12:55.860 Frankenstein was created, but he tried to kill everybody.

00:12:58.740 Like, it's a silly argument to say it was created by the United States.

00:13:02.520 Therefore, it's pro-American, right?

00:13:04.440 They are anti-American.

00:13:06.380 They support the same people that.

00:13:07.800 It's not about it being anti-American or pro-American.

00:13:10.780 It's just that this is the international institution set up by the world superpower post-World War II.

00:13:16.080 The United States, the global hegemon, created the UN to administer international diplomacy,

00:13:23.880 to create peaceful settlements.

00:13:28.920 That was the reason.

00:13:30.640 It was to prevent genocides.

00:13:32.720 You know, it was to prevent war crimes.

00:13:34.620 They were supposed to prevent genocides, but their own employees were trying to commit one on October 7th.

00:13:40.340 I still, I feel like you're going to make a baseless claim like that.

00:13:44.300 You're going to have to back it up.

00:13:45.100 It's not baseless.

00:13:45.380 Look it up.

00:13:46.220 They've already been tried.

00:13:47.620 They had fired.

00:13:48.760 They had gotten rid of the employees.

00:13:51.480 Pull it up on the screen.

00:13:52.680 UN employees, October 7th.

00:13:54.860 It's completely gutted by Israel.

00:13:56.080 There are no UN workers in Gaza, in Palestine, because Israel has completely destroyed the infrastructure.

00:14:04.520 What's about to pop up on the screen is probably going to shock you if you've never heard this before,

00:14:07.880 but the UN had literal employees.

00:14:09.660 It doesn't matter, though.

00:14:10.780 It doesn't matter.

00:14:11.420 The point, no, no, no.

00:14:12.700 The point is, is because you're going to pearl clutch about October 7th as a terrorist attack.

00:14:19.720 When we know, when we know that Israel is a terrorist state and that the original act of aggression goes back to the occupation.

00:14:31.080 And that's why in my opening statement, I said the principal contradiction here is occupied people versus an occupying force.

00:14:38.860 How can you occupy your own country?

00:14:40.740 Because you don't understand international laws.

00:14:42.680 No, no, no.

00:14:43.020 How do you occupy?

00:14:43.760 You don't understand humanitarian laws.

00:14:45.100 Is Palestine a country?

00:14:47.100 Absolutely it's a country.

00:14:48.060 How is it a country?

00:14:48.900 Who's the president?

00:14:50.340 Where does he live?

00:14:50.880 The fact that Israel has socially engineered it to be a rump state, basically, without an administrating force or an administrating body is not a point in your favor, okay?

00:15:06.100 What's the currency in Palestine?

00:15:08.760 What's the what?

00:15:09.360 What's the currency in Palestine?

00:15:10.820 What is the, where are there any buildings in Palestine?

00:15:12.960 Do you know what the currency is?

00:15:14.020 Where are there any, where is there any education?

00:15:16.420 Where is there any schools?

00:15:17.780 Where is there any hospitals?

00:15:18.880 Do you know this?

00:15:19.500 Do you know the answer to this question?

00:15:21.440 What is the currency in Palestine?

00:15:24.660 You do not know this.

00:15:26.080 If they have a currency, though, it could still be a genocide.

00:15:28.660 I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, like, it's a complete obfuscation of the point.

00:15:32.660 These people are occupied.

00:15:34.340 They don't have any schools.

00:15:35.620 Listen, shush, shush, shush, shush.

00:15:36.520 Name one school that's for standing in Palestine.

00:15:37.260 This argument is whether or not Palestine is a country.

00:15:39.160 Let's focus on that point.

00:15:40.500 Is Palestine a country?

00:15:41.620 What's their currency?

00:15:42.540 It doesn't matter what...

00:15:43.780 It matters!

00:15:44.340 Yes, absolutely.

00:15:46.020 Yes, it's...

00:15:46.700 They are a country...

00:15:47.680 They are a country that has been recognized by the international community as having being

00:15:53.220 a sovereign territory.

00:15:54.400 They are being denied their human rights.

00:15:56.760 Canada did recognize them.

00:15:58.020 They are being denied human rights.

00:16:00.920 They're denied having a currency.

00:16:02.800 They're denied having a trade.

00:16:05.600 They're denied having an economy.

00:16:06.920 Does America, the number one superpower in the world, recognize Palestine as a country?

00:16:11.960 The United States does not.

00:16:14.180 Okay, so you can say that some person recognizes it, and you can say that some person...

00:16:17.980 No, no, no, no, no.

00:16:18.500 You don't say some person.

00:16:19.720 We're talking about...

00:16:20.600 Remember, let's go back to the human.

00:16:21.580 All right, hold on, no, no, no, no, no, listen.

00:16:22.280 Listen, 191 countries recognize that Palestine is a country.

00:16:27.680 I don't give a shit.

00:16:28.000 Oh, now you don't give a shit.

00:16:29.100 I'm an American.

00:16:29.360 What the world community thinks?

00:16:30.140 I'm an American.

00:16:30.840 Oh, it's just what America thinks, right?

00:16:32.440 My country doesn't recognize that country.

00:16:34.460 Yeah, yeah, because you're a belligerent.

00:16:34.800 My country doesn't recognize that country.

00:16:36.420 Right.

00:16:36.800 Right, so...

00:16:37.220 Try not to speak at the same time.

00:16:38.220 I know this is going to happen a little bit, but let's try to get our points out.

00:16:41.000 Let's break this down.

00:16:42.840 I'm going to simplify.

00:16:43.740 If Palestine is a country, right, what makes them a country?

00:16:49.040 I'll tell you what makes them a country.

00:16:50.360 It's what the ICJ advisory ruling opinion established in 2004, okay?

00:16:55.620 In 2004, the ICJ established that the Palestinian people do, in fact, exist.

00:17:00.720 The second thing that they said was that the territorial unit belonging to Palestine is the

00:17:08.780 Gaza Strip, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem.

00:17:11.320 So it's a territory.

00:17:12.680 No, the territorial unit that are those three territories, that makes up the sovereign country

00:17:21.360 of Palestine.

00:17:22.120 All three of those territories are occupied by Israel under international law going back

00:17:29.760 to 1967.

00:17:31.620 UN Resolution 242, which gets voted on every year, and it is vetoed by the only world superpower.

00:17:39.380 For a good reason.

00:17:39.920 United States and Israel both veto the UN Resolution 242, which is unanimously agreed upon by the world

00:17:47.240 community.

00:17:47.880 What is the national...

00:17:48.840 What is the national...

00:17:49.780 Real quick, real quick, this argument, though, is kind of frustrating because, like, there's

00:17:53.580 even small tribes off of islands of Indonesia, and they don't have a currency, they don't

00:17:57.460 have anything, and Australia, Indonesia, the main countries that they're connected to will

00:18:01.300 do whatever they can to preserve these tribes.

00:18:02.600 Yeah, but those will be Australians.

00:18:03.620 They're not, like...

00:18:04.380 What I'm saying is they're actually not a part of their government, but I'm saying just

00:18:08.280 because they don't have a government doesn't mean that they don't have a right to exist.

00:18:11.140 Palestine is a place, Palestine...

00:18:12.740 It's a place, that's what I'm saying.

00:18:13.920 See, we're being disingenuous.

00:18:14.480 Palestine has Palestinians, right?

00:18:15.740 But if you say, I live in Texas, I am a Texan, right?

00:18:20.400 I'm not in the country of Texas, I am in the state of Texas.

00:18:24.180 Palestine is a state in Israel.

00:18:26.280 It's a region, a territory in Israel.

00:18:28.560 Their currency is the shekel.

00:18:30.620 There's Hebrew written on their money, right?

00:18:33.420 They are Egyptian and Jordanian originated people that would, one would argue, are the

00:18:40.680 actual settlers, right?

00:18:41.920 So, if you look at even the name, Palestine, where did it come from?

00:18:46.100 Who named it?

00:18:46.920 The British named it Mandatory Palestine, obtained from the League of Nations in 1920

00:18:51.740 until 1948, right?

00:18:53.300 And they got that name from a territory in the Ottoman Empire, right?

00:18:56.640 Why did they name it Palestine?

00:18:57.780 The Philistines were a group of people who lived on the south coast of Canaan during the

00:19:00.640 Iron Age.

00:19:01.140 They were an immigrant group from the Aegean civilization in Greece during the Bronze Age.

00:19:06.220 Hold on.

00:19:07.000 Remember Goliath from the Bible?

00:19:08.880 Philistine, right?

00:19:09.620 Philistine, Palestine, it was named that as an insult to the Jewish people because when

00:19:13.960 the nation state of Israel was created in 1948, they agreed on a territory.

00:19:18.720 What happened in 1948?

00:19:19.740 Are you saying that Goliath was Palestinian?

00:19:21.700 Is that what you're saying?

00:19:22.840 Yes.

00:19:23.180 He's a, well, Philistine.

00:19:23.940 A Nephilim giant.

00:19:25.400 Philistine.

00:19:25.640 Well, that kind of makes Palestine more badass, right?

00:19:28.160 I mean, hey.

00:19:29.320 I think David's more badass because he killed him with a fucking rock.

00:19:31.520 He did, but I'm just saying if you're a big giant too, that's cool.

00:19:34.020 I mean, you know, there's something kind of cool about Goliath.

00:19:35.620 My point is, my point is, it's not a country just because some people, some countries say

00:19:41.280 it is.

00:19:41.800 You have to go through actual steps and you have to become an actual country and they're

00:19:46.720 not an actual country.

00:19:47.960 You want them to be a country.

00:19:49.000 That doesn't change anything.

00:19:50.200 They are not a country.

00:19:51.620 They're not a country because the world's superpower.

00:19:53.640 So you just agreed that they're not a country.

00:19:55.180 Okay, but even if we agree that they're not a country, then we should...

00:19:57.220 Don't take my words out of my mouth, out of context.

00:19:59.400 I mean, come on.

00:20:00.100 I understand you're in your feelings, but international...

00:20:02.160 I'm sorry.

00:20:02.660 No, no, no.

00:20:03.100 Go ahead.

00:20:03.920 I'm just saying, regardless if they're a country or not, that doesn't negate the fact

00:20:09.100 that a genocide is probably happening to them.

00:20:11.160 How is a genocide happening?

00:20:12.740 I mean, I'll let you guys debate that.

00:20:14.540 I'm just saying, regardless of whether they have a currency or not...

00:20:17.040 How is there a genocide going on in Gaza?

00:20:18.880 What is a genocide?

00:20:20.200 A genocide is the systematic, intentional killing of a people group of ethnicity, religion,

00:20:27.000 or origin.

00:20:28.120 It is not anti-terrorism.

00:20:29.880 It is not trying to kill Hamas.

00:20:31.960 Because if you throw leaflets down and tell people, get the fuck out of there, if you

00:20:36.040 drop more bombs than you kill civilians, then that's not a genocide.

00:20:39.460 If you're vaccinating the same people that you're trying to genocide, if you have people

00:20:43.100 that you're trying to genocide in your government, working, living in your fucking country,

00:20:47.860 it's not a genocide.

00:20:49.060 You can't call it a genocide when they're doing such a bad job at it.

00:20:53.400 Israel could commit a genocide tomorrow.

00:20:55.460 That's really a silly argument to make for the simple fact that you can look at the

00:21:04.160 Gaza Strip right now and 90 to 95 percent of it is reduced to rubble.

00:21:08.700 The IDF has internally reported that at least 83 percent of the people that are killed in

00:21:15.620 Gaza are civilians and not combatants.

00:21:17.940 This has been admitted by Israeli officials who have made public statements that have

00:21:27.780 acknowledged that, yes, they are committed to wholesale destruction of the Gaza Strip.

00:21:32.740 That shows genocidal intent.

00:21:34.560 And indeed, when you look at the Gaza Strip, you can see the destruction of an entire civilization.

00:21:39.760 They have been removed from their place of origin, from their homes, transferred to the southern

00:21:48.520 part of the Gaza Strip.

00:21:50.400 That's a war crime already.

00:21:52.260 Okay?

00:21:52.720 They are being systematically targeted because as they're being starved, they're being lured

00:21:57.740 into these bait food traps where they're shot down.

00:22:01.660 And even, by God, if they are given flour, they'll have drugs in it.

00:22:09.420 You know, they'll be laced with poison by the time that they get it.

00:22:12.540 Where are you even getting that?

00:22:12.680 Okay, first of all...

00:22:13.420 I get it from...

00:22:14.720 Your argument that it looks like a wasteland, right?

00:22:17.920 You can pull up a picture right now of what Japan looked like after...

00:22:20.840 Japan is the...

00:22:21.880 That was the imperial empire of Japan.

00:22:24.060 It's not an occupied country.

00:22:26.140 Okay, but they look...

00:22:27.300 Palestine is an occupied country.

00:22:28.900 You pull up pictures of Dresden.

00:22:30.300 You pull up pictures...

00:22:31.600 Japan was starting wars with the United States.

00:22:34.080 Like, they had a military, they had an army, they had a navy.

00:22:37.760 Palestine has been systematically de-institutionalized, de-developed by Israel for decades now.

00:22:44.400 So you said that Japan started...

00:22:45.640 It's not a fair argument.

00:22:47.500 Hold on, so you said that the reason Japan looks like Gaza is because Japan started a war

00:22:51.260 with the United States, and that's why it looks like Gaza.

00:22:52.900 No, I'm not defending your Hiroshima bombing that you're just saying, oh, yeah.

00:22:56.500 Okay, what about...

00:22:56.960 Look, when they dropped the new...

00:22:58.080 I don't...

00:22:58.720 They killed 300,000 civilians.

00:23:01.980 Was Hiroshima a genocide or was it a necessary military action to prevent Japan from...

00:23:09.940 No, it was wanton wholesale destruction of entire cities.

00:23:13.400 That's not a genocide.

00:23:14.140 And killed hundreds of thousands of civilians.

00:23:16.500 That's not a genocide.

00:23:17.140 That is, genocide in whole or in part.

00:23:19.420 Was Operation Gomorrah a genocide when the U.S. and the Royal Air Force bombed Hamburg, Germany,

00:23:27.020 specifically targeting civilian areas in order to break the Nazi regime, 9,000 tons of bombs

00:23:34.320 were dropped, right?

00:23:35.620 And what happened?

00:23:36.920 It demoralized the Germans because when you were...

00:23:40.240 Again, the Germans were the occupiers.

00:23:42.360 When you are in a war, the way you solve a war is you make it untenable for the other

00:23:47.700 side to continue.

00:23:48.580 If the thing that those people care about is their infrastructure, their buildings, their

00:23:54.080 civilian population, whatever, that's what happens.

00:23:56.580 Is there a genocide going on in Ukraine, in Russia?

00:24:00.220 Or is that two fucking people fighting because one of them started a fucking war?

00:24:05.600 And this is what you fucking people don't understand.

00:24:07.720 You keep using the word genocide.

00:24:09.140 You keep on trying to hammer it into people's heads.

00:24:10.820 It's not a fucking genocide just because you say it is.

00:24:13.780 There is a specific...

00:24:15.080 You're right.

00:24:15.600 It's not a genocide because I say it is.

00:24:17.940 It's a genocide because that is what international institutions have concluded.

00:24:22.040 Legal experts...

00:24:22.360 Well, then they're retarded and so are you.

00:24:23.720 ...people that are devoted to studying this and investigating this.

00:24:28.320 This is what they say.

00:24:30.400 Well, appeal to authority is usually the fucking argument.

00:24:33.120 And it's actually happening because we have iPhones now.

00:24:36.380 Israel is not going to survive the age of the internet and the iPhones, okay?

00:24:41.120 Just like Jeffrey Epstein wasn't able to survive the age of the internet.

00:24:43.400 I think he does have a good point, though, that the internet is hurting their cause right

00:24:47.100 now because even though your argument is probably going to be, well, Palestine is running

00:24:50.640 a great propaganda campaign.

00:24:52.160 I saw Megyn Kelly say that.

00:24:53.480 And for me, that is so dumb to think that people in caves or, you know, literally

00:24:58.320 in tunnels are running some strategic marketing campaign that is making Israel look bad.

00:25:04.200 It's not them.

00:25:04.660 It's Muslim.

00:25:05.320 It's the entire world that supports them.

00:25:06.680 Well, I know you could say Qatar.

00:25:07.960 Oh, it's Muslim.

00:25:08.960 But to that point, though, why won't Jordan...

00:25:12.420 And this is, I guess, to you, Rathbone.

00:25:14.680 I am of the opinion these people should get a free house somewhere, maybe in Jordan or Egypt.

00:25:19.040 But Jordan and Egypt don't really want to take the Palestinians.

00:25:21.360 Bro, they already have.

00:25:23.060 Well, I'm saying they've taken a lot.

00:25:24.080 There's already millions of them.

00:25:24.960 I'm saying, how do we, because we are going to keep arguing this, how do we solve this?

00:25:28.160 Because you and I are both not naive enough to think that Israel's ever going to stop.

00:25:31.880 You know that they're never going to stop.

00:25:33.240 I think you would argue that now, after October 7th, it's only going to get more intense.

00:25:39.140 So I guess, like, what do you think the solution is?

00:25:41.440 I think the solution is just what's going to happen, which is that Israel is suffering a cultural death right now.

00:25:46.800 It is dying on the world stage.

00:25:48.500 Public opinion has completely shifted.

00:25:50.540 There's no way that's tenable in the long term.

00:25:53.060 And the cultural death precedes the economic death.

00:25:56.060 Eventually, there just won't be as much immigration to Israel.

00:25:59.740 People have already left.

00:26:01.440 There's a whole side of this other story that doesn't get reported because Israel...

00:26:04.380 When Tarantino just left, he was living there and just left because of all this stuff.

00:26:06.940 He's one of their biggest...

00:26:07.820 I didn't know that.

00:26:08.380 Yeah, no, he just left him and his wife just moved to London.

00:26:10.000 People don't want to do business getting bombed, you know?

00:26:13.120 And when you start wars with seven other countries, when you are belligerent and aggressive against everyone else in the region,

00:26:22.280 people tend not to want to do business with you.

00:26:24.540 You know, it's the same thing that happened in Saudi Arabia with Yemen.

00:26:27.500 They were embroiled in a civil war.

00:26:29.900 Saudi Arabia was bombing Yemen.

00:26:32.120 Yemen was actually retaliating against Saudi Arabia.

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00:27:42.280 And they can't do that when they're getting bombed.

00:27:46.540 And nobody wants to do, you know, nobody wants to do business with people that are, you know,

00:27:50.600 their investments aren't safe, you know?

00:27:53.940 Well, that's why it's a really, really good plan for Donald Trump to take over the Gaza Strip

00:27:59.980 and turn it into some type of Abrahamic Accord-related hub of trade and currency.

00:28:09.280 He said he's going to build Margaritaville.

00:28:10.380 Because if you, well, think about it.

00:28:11.640 God, that's so brave of you.

00:28:12.840 Hold on, but think about this.

00:28:13.760 Say that.

00:28:14.540 Ask car shops.

00:28:15.620 Can you imagine if the Ayatollah Khomeini said anything about, like, I don't know, Washington,

00:28:19.520 D.C.?

00:28:19.600 Yeah, we should just pave over Washington, D.C.

00:28:21.580 Yeah, but again, it's not.

00:28:22.620 Yeah, it's not going to happen, right?

00:28:24.040 Because we don't, they don't posture towards us in the Western Hemisphere the way that we

00:28:28.660 posture towards them in the Middle East.

00:28:32.040 Imagine if, imagine if, I spoke with the opposition leader, opposition leader to the King of

00:28:38.240 Jordan, and he was talking about how they'd be, they'd love to welcome in more Palestinians.

00:28:43.320 Egypt doesn't want them because a lot of Palestinians are supporters of Hamas, right?

00:28:47.540 And they need to go somewhere.

00:28:49.260 If you are Hamas or a supporter of Hamas, sorry, you have lost your right to be there.

00:28:55.180 So you're talking about the-

00:28:56.080 Don't lose your right to live, if you're Hamas-

00:28:57.080 Don't lose your right to- I mean, you, I, I would argue that, if you, I would argue

00:29:01.000 that if you are, if you are partaking in-

00:29:03.480 Kill all the Muslims!

00:29:04.700 If you are partaking in-

00:29:05.700 Just kidding, just kidding, just kidding.

00:29:07.900 But if you're partaking, if you are, if you are a supporter of Hamas-

00:29:10.920 I'm satirizing him.

00:29:12.000 If you are saying that I, I agree with Hamas and I would like Hamas to, to continue what

00:29:18.140 they're doing, I, I would argue, no, you don't have a right to live.

00:29:21.380 You're fucking, no.

00:29:22.620 After what they did?

00:29:24.040 I mean, imagine if, imagine if our government did what Hamas did.

00:29:28.000 Imagine if the American military went into Mexico, cut people's heads off, rigged women,

00:29:33.100 set people on fire.

00:29:34.480 Misfit, real quick, though.

00:29:35.320 We do have a clear example, though.

00:29:36.700 America fought a war in the Middle East that killed millions of Muslims.

00:29:40.100 And at the end of the day, they told us that this was a war on terror and they had to

00:29:43.580 eradicate the Taliban.

00:29:44.500 But we all saw that the Taliban is still in power in Afghanistan, right?

00:29:48.780 I'm just saying there was a time when everybody had the same sentiment as you, that every

00:29:51.780 Taliban person deserved to be six feet under.

00:29:54.380 And now we know that our country, that's not necessarily true.

00:29:57.120 We actually kind of worked with the Taliban.

00:29:58.960 To quote my favorite retarded, retarded comedian, Dave Smith, that's a non-argument,

00:30:03.460 right?

00:30:03.720 Because it's not, it's not the same thing.

00:30:07.120 It's, it, the war in Iraq was a huge mistake and it was a political war.

00:30:10.760 It was a, it was an operation through George Bush's narcissism that did that.

00:30:16.220 This is an ideological war.

00:30:18.760 It is not a political war.

00:30:20.280 It's not a war between two, um, I would say dictators who are fighting over land.

00:30:26.220 These people, the Palestinian, not the Palestinians, all of them, but any supporter of Hamas wants

00:30:32.020 to fucking wipe off the map.

00:30:34.520 Every single Jew, every single Israeli, every single Zionist.

00:30:37.420 And when they're done, they want to come to America and do the same thing.

00:30:40.640 It is a radicalized ideology that hates everything about the West, hates everything about Christianity,

00:30:46.640 hates everything about Judaism.

00:30:47.920 They want to impose Sharia law all over the world and they're doing a damn good job of

00:30:52.240 it.

00:30:52.360 Because if you look at the UK, you look at the rape statistics in Germany, you look

00:30:55.400 at everything going on in Europe right now, it's becoming a fucking problem.

00:30:59.660 So what I would, what I would say Israel has not only the right, but the duty to do is to

00:31:05.920 make sure there is not a single Hamas member or a single Hamas supporter left in Israel,

00:31:13.340 left in Gaza, left in the West Bank, left in anywhere fucking near them.

00:31:18.480 Because if it, if they are, they're just going to do this again.

00:31:22.620 So I think that I would love to hear this support on my one point.

00:31:29.560 Do you agree that Hamas is a terrorist organization?

00:31:32.780 No.

00:31:33.340 You are fucking retarded.

00:31:34.760 Okay.

00:31:35.360 Well, I'd like to hear why, why isn't Hamas?

00:31:37.700 Because everybody does consider that.

00:31:38.540 Because Hamas is a, is an armed resistance group fighting against an occupying army.

00:31:44.040 How can you occupy your own country?

00:31:45.380 Because Israel wasn't occupying the land of Palestine, creating and fomenting and fermenting

00:31:50.540 in the soil of repression, a radical extremist group, like you want to call it a radical extremist.

00:31:56.140 When you sideline, fracture, marginalize every possible peaceful chance to reform and have

00:32:04.180 ownership and control over your resources, your land and labor, which is your given right

00:32:10.020 according to international law, then you are left with the only option, which is to violently

00:32:14.860 resist.

00:32:15.760 Do you think that rape is resistance?

00:32:16.420 And let me, let me ask you this.

00:32:17.780 Let me ask you this.

00:32:18.360 If you think that Hamas is a terrorist organization, was the, excuse me, the Jewish resistance in

00:32:26.260 the Warsaw ghetto, were they terrorists when they tried to uprise against their Nazi oppressors?

00:32:33.700 Okay, so.

00:32:34.320 Because that's the same exact material power differential.

00:32:37.780 That is the biggest false equivalency that I've ever heard.

00:32:39.880 Well, I mean, I'm really, is that a bad false equivalency?

00:32:42.880 I feel like he's unbiased because if you are in the Jewish ghetto and you're fighting against

00:32:46.200 the Nazis, you would consider them a hero today.

00:32:48.260 To be fair, like they were targeting soldiers where with Hamas there's more deliberate attacks

00:32:53.500 on civilians.

00:32:54.000 But they did, they did create, they did attack civilians.

00:32:57.820 They did kill indiscriminately.

00:32:59.620 They made rudimentary makeshift weapons, which were imprecise.

00:33:04.460 They mustered, they marshaled any capabilities that they could to violently resist their own

00:33:10.780 annihilation, which they knew.

00:33:11.900 And did they think that that was going to be successful for them?

00:33:15.720 Of course not.

00:33:16.480 They knew that they were going to die.

00:33:18.120 They knew that they, the Nazis were going to.

00:33:19.700 So what was, what was the point of that violence?

00:33:22.140 Why didn't they just lay down and die for the Nazis?

00:33:24.820 If that's your argument, why, why wouldn't they just do that?

00:33:28.040 In your, in your, uh, scenario here, the Nazis are Israel and, uh, the Jews are Hamas.

00:33:37.700 Hamas.

00:33:38.660 Yes.

00:33:39.200 In World War II.

00:33:40.520 Hold on, now, did the Jews in Warsaw occupy Germany, or, sorry, march into Germany, uh,

00:33:47.760 and murder and rape a bunch of people?

00:33:49.780 Did they set, um, people on fire?

00:33:51.720 No, and neither did Hamas.

00:33:53.560 Yes, they did.

00:33:54.140 No, they didn't.

00:33:54.700 You're repeating, hold on, no, no, no, you're repeating lies.

00:33:57.340 Did you watch the footage on October 7th?

00:33:58.860 I did.

00:33:59.340 Did you see it?

00:34:00.000 No.

00:34:00.400 Did you think, did you see, when you, when you saw, when you saw hand gliders, uh, parasailing

00:34:05.480 over an apartheid wall, when you saw bulldozers bulldozing through an apartheid wall, did

00:34:09.820 you think that that was the Wehrmacht coming in to destroy Israel?

00:34:14.660 Are you fucking out of your mind?

00:34:15.920 When you heard the terrorist calling his parents, like, I killed 10 Jews, I killed 10 Jews,

00:34:19.820 that's resistance.

00:34:20.700 Have you, um, have you watched the documentary?

00:34:22.240 What are you talking about?

00:34:23.260 The most of the people that were killed on that day were killed by Israel, according

00:34:28.500 to their Hannibal Directive.

00:34:30.000 Oh, do you, do you know what the, let's talk about the Hannibal Directive.

00:34:31.920 According to an Israeli publication.

00:34:33.220 Let's, let's talk about the, that's what I was trying to get to, the Hannibal Directive.

00:34:35.920 Do you know what the Hannibal Directive is?

00:34:37.440 Of course I know what the Hannibal Directive is.

00:34:38.520 What is the Hannibal Directive?

00:34:39.300 The Hannibal Directive is for, is the directive that says that IDF is going to kill its own

00:34:45.600 civilians.

00:34:46.280 Nope.

00:34:46.960 Yes.

00:34:47.580 Yeah, no villagers.

00:34:48.380 Yes, they, they must, and in order to avoid, uh, a political scenario.

00:34:53.340 Pull up the Hannibal Directive and tell me if it applies to.

00:34:55.020 It is a little vague, but there are different, this is the one thing, and I'm not even trying

00:34:57.940 to be on Rathbone's side, there is different interpretations of it, because it's like a military

00:35:01.660 directive.

00:35:02.100 But, but, but if we're just being honest, it's, they did use it on that day, and whether

00:35:06.140 they killed civilians or.

00:35:07.020 I think there was 14 civilians, I think the IDF.

00:35:09.940 14 civilians caught in the crossfire.

00:35:11.420 Is what they say, and you know, obviously the numbers can be a little fishy.

00:35:14.540 The Hannibal Directive prevents the intentional killing of a civilian, it only applies to

00:35:19.560 IDF soldiers to protect military intelligence if they're being taken hostage by the enemy.

00:35:24.060 So they, they, you just concede the point that they are allowed to kill their own people.

00:35:27.480 No, they're not allowed to.

00:35:28.900 If they kill a civilian intentionally, then it's a war crime, it will be investigated and

00:35:34.800 tried.

00:35:35.080 You made it sound like the Hannibal, you, hold on, you made it sound like the Hannibal

00:35:38.800 Directive says, kill anybody you want for any reason, including civilians.

00:35:42.460 That's not what the Hannibal Directive is.

00:35:44.300 The Hannibal Directive is a directive that pretty much every military has, where if you

00:35:49.100 have a soldier that's being taken captive, you can take out the soldier, because let's

00:35:53.380 say they have sensitive information.

00:35:55.080 Let's say they have military intelligence that you don't want to give them their hands.

00:35:57.160 And you don't want to give them leverage and negotiation.

00:35:58.940 That is not, so the Hannibal Directive talking point is being, is, is being parroted by people

00:36:03.480 who don't know what it is.

00:36:04.880 Well, on October 7th, they instituted the Hannibal Directive and then they used, they

00:36:09.480 used Apache gunship helicopters.

00:36:11.520 That's where, that's where they're talking.

00:36:12.520 To mowed down entire, entire, entire.

00:36:16.000 Real quick, guys, we're talking about this modern warfare where they're at a music festival.

00:36:19.220 So, so, Zach, I think that you would be very naive to think that if they're using a

00:36:23.200 Black Hawk helicopter, that it would be very possible that a civilian could get hit.

00:36:26.640 You know what I mean?

00:36:27.420 Like, obviously, civilians got hit.

00:36:29.580 The footage you're referring to of the Black Hawk helicopter, what day was that from?

00:36:34.700 I'm, I'm talking about October 7th.

00:36:36.700 You're talking about October 7th?

00:36:37.760 Yeah.

00:36:37.880 You know what, the, I know what footage you're referring to.

00:36:39.680 And I'm talking about publications.

00:36:41.080 I know what footage you're referring to.

00:36:41.660 I'm talking about publications that have reported, according to the IDF, that the majority of the

00:36:47.600 civilians that were killed on October 7th were killed by Israel.

00:36:49.860 What publications?

00:36:50.840 Al Jazeera?

00:36:51.780 Plus 972, Israeli publication.

00:36:53.840 It's, it's, it's an Israeli publication itself.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, an Israeli publication.

00:36:56.740 It's Israeli saying this.

00:36:58.200 The Jerusalem Post is an Israeli publication.

00:37:00.500 It's basically the MSNBC of Israel.

00:37:02.940 I didn't say that.

00:37:03.800 I didn't say it came from there.

00:37:04.840 You're saying a publication.

00:37:06.080 You, you, you, appeal to authority.

00:37:07.880 The, the journalist said it.

00:37:09.020 Oh my goodness, yeah.

00:37:09.820 Like, it's, it's like when you got car trouble.

00:37:11.600 Oh, let me ask my mechanic.

00:37:12.940 Oh no, don't appeal to authority.

00:37:14.400 No, but this is, the vaccine is safe and effective fucking, uh, talk.

00:37:18.200 Okay, let's not talk about the vaccine.

00:37:19.440 I'm just saying, it's the same thing.

00:37:20.580 We're talking about Israel and Palestine.

00:37:21.460 Oh, I heard it, I heard it from, I heard it from the experts.

00:37:23.800 Oh man, yeah.

00:37:25.060 Well, this is how we know.

00:37:26.040 Imagine that I have sources.

00:37:27.040 But real quick, this is how we do know vaccines are safe and effective because one of the most

00:37:30.480 successful ceasefires, uh, you know, in Gaza was so that they could do a vaccine campaign

00:37:35.500 for the Gazans.

00:37:36.840 That's true, that's true.

00:37:36.960 So, that's how you know Israel loves, uh, those vaccines are very safe and effective

00:37:40.160 if they're giving them out free like that.

00:37:41.920 Look, uh, go ahead.

00:37:42.740 Um, the, uh, the, the Apache helicopter footage that you are referring to was from October 9th

00:37:47.980 when they were fighting, when they were shooting at Hamas terrorists.

00:37:51.320 They were not shooting at civilians.

00:37:53.220 Okay.

00:37:53.540 And debunked.

00:37:54.520 They're not, they're not Hamas terrorists.

00:37:56.560 You know, it's, it's so, it's so wild that you are saying these people went into these

00:38:03.140 kibbutzes in Israel and somehow still figured out a way to blame Israel, right?

00:38:08.680 It's like, oh my God, they killed civilians when they were, when they were attacked.

00:38:12.300 Like, it's like, okay, if, if Washington DC had like a, had like, I don't know, thousands

00:38:17.400 of terrorists that just came in and soldiers were freaking trying to shoot them and accidentally

00:38:21.280 shot a civilian.

00:38:22.120 And then a year and a half later, you're like, can you believe our military shot an American?

00:38:26.660 It's like, dude, I get it.

00:38:27.940 It's like, yeah, there was civilian casualties.

00:38:29.940 There was crossfire.

00:38:31.000 Every single death that is, that is on that day is at the hands of the people who went in

00:38:36.760 and started raping and murdering.

00:38:38.420 Again, that's not according, there's no evidence of rape, but also.

00:38:41.660 Oh, hold on.

00:38:42.340 There's no, I love that you like to, wait, just can we, can I just.

00:38:46.260 Two hostages that came out of Hamas activity that said I was raped over and over again are

00:38:50.280 lying.

00:38:50.940 Well, we'll get to the rape, but, but let him respond.

00:38:53.060 According, you said that it's, it's everybody that died that day is, is, is the fault of

00:38:58.080 Hamas because they, they, uh, instituted Operation Al-Aqsa Flood.

00:39:02.680 They, they, they, they burst through the apartheid wall.

00:39:05.620 They attacked Israel.

00:39:06.520 Um, that is not what international laws say.

00:39:09.880 That is not what universal human, humanitarian laws say.

00:39:13.900 Every, uh, you know, you, you read the articles expressed in the UN charter and makes clear

00:39:19.160 that reprisals born against an occupying army or an occupying force are the fault of the

00:39:25.880 occupier ultimately because they created the conditions for a reprisal, for a, uh, an act

00:39:31.800 of resistance.

00:39:32.340 And that is indeed what you, what you have between the Gaza strip or with, between the

00:39:37.100 Palestinians and between the Israelis.

00:39:38.540 The Israelis are legally on like known and, and, and concluded to be occupying people.

00:39:44.840 They are an occupying state.

00:39:46.880 How?

00:39:47.460 How?

00:39:48.020 Because they took land in 1967 and ever, like going back to my previous point, you in resolution

00:39:53.620 two, four, two, when they started the six day war in 1967, who started that war in

00:39:57.800 19, Israel started, Israel started the war.

00:40:00.120 No, no, no, that was, that was, uh, the Palestinian, not, yeah, no, no, no, no.

00:40:04.700 Well, again, you can say that five wars, you can go into your feelings and you can make

00:40:09.000 it personal all you want, but this is not, I have looked it up.

00:40:12.780 That's what I'm telling you.

00:40:13.560 Maybe you in resolution two, four, two is unanimously agreed upon that.

00:40:17.400 Israel started an illegal war of acquisition.

00:40:19.640 And in that war, they acquired territory, which is illegal.

00:40:23.140 And then on top of that, they settled that land.

00:40:26.720 They instituted a blockade and siege of that land.

00:40:29.900 Again, these are all war crimes.

00:40:31.220 They transferred people into the occupied territories, another war crime.

00:40:35.020 They transferred the indigenous people to other parts of the occupied territory or expelled

00:40:38.800 them, another war crime.

00:40:40.660 Every, every.

00:40:43.120 Who started the Arab-Israeli war of 1948?

00:40:46.260 Again, you're, you're.

00:40:47.480 No, you don't want to go, you don't want to go back that far.

00:40:49.300 You want to go back.

00:40:50.020 Yeah, I'd love to go back.

00:40:51.280 Let's go back to 1948.

00:40:52.400 Okay.

00:40:52.840 Let's go back to 1948.

00:40:54.040 Who started the Arab-Israeli war of 1948?

00:40:55.880 When you say that the Arab-Israeli war is, that's, that is a misclassification.

00:41:01.560 That is, it's pretty much.

00:41:02.560 That is a straw man of what is exact, what is actually happening.

00:41:05.480 So what you're saying is that if, if Nazis came into your home and, and, and took your

00:41:11.460 home and, and hogtied you and put your family in the basement and said, okay, this is our

00:41:16.240 home now.

00:41:17.300 And you, if you fought back, then you're a terrorist.

00:41:21.160 It's basically what you're saying.

00:41:22.500 And no, it's just a war.

00:41:23.800 It's just a war.

00:41:24.700 The Nazis came in and they took my home and then now it's, and now it's a war.

00:41:27.720 Well, I do want to make the point.

00:41:29.060 I mean, Misfit, don't you have to understand that if your dad got blown up by Israel, wouldn't

00:41:32.640 that radicalize you a little bit?

00:41:35.720 So, I mean, can't you be a little empathetic to them?

00:41:38.320 I mean, if your dad gets bombed, your grandfather got bombed and, you know.

00:41:42.160 I understand, I understand that there's, there's the argument that if you, you know, if

00:41:47.740 you go after terrorists, you create more terrorists, right?

00:41:49.900 And, and it's, it's an argument that's predicated upon the fact that every conflict that we've,

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00:42:53.720 Other nations have gotten into where you try to enact regime changes.

00:42:58.040 They fail miserably because there's this resistance.

00:43:02.720 They don't want to change.

00:43:03.860 They don't want to go under your new laws and your new rules.

00:43:08.300 And we don't, God forbid, we try to fucking civilize you people.

00:43:11.180 Oh my God.

00:43:12.180 Listen to this rhetoric, dude.

00:43:13.520 It is so Islamophobic.

00:43:15.660 I don't think we're Islamophobic enough, especially when you think statistically.

00:43:19.940 I mean, I don't even have to really say anything at this point.

00:43:22.620 You look like a clown.

00:43:24.060 Over the past 50 years, how many terrorist attacks have been enacted in the name of Islam?

00:43:29.460 Over the past, what are you calling terrorism, dude?

00:43:31.980 We are occupying land across the entire world.

00:43:35.460 The United States is the greatest terrorist state in the world.

00:43:38.440 I would probably agree with that.

00:43:40.120 That's just based on numbers.

00:43:42.240 Like we've occupied, you know, that is our, we are the empire state here.

00:43:46.980 We are, we have been living in the past 50 to 80 years.

00:43:49.500 We've been living in a, in a glow, in a unipolar moment.

00:43:52.460 Okay.

00:43:52.640 That's just in world history.

00:43:54.200 That's just where we find ourselves.

00:43:55.460 We've awakened in this time.

00:43:56.920 We have political consciousness in this moment where there has been a one world superpower for

00:44:03.200 the past, ever, ever since the post-World War II, ever since the end of World War II,

00:44:07.140 we have demonstrated unparalleled world supremacy.

00:44:13.280 Certainly since the Cold War.

00:44:15.000 Yeah.

00:44:15.400 Yeah.

00:44:15.600 That's what I mean.

00:44:16.000 Like post-World War II, Cold War.

00:44:17.840 Absolutely.

00:44:18.620 So when you say terrorists, what you're talking about is resistance to terrorism.

00:44:23.320 You're talking about resistance to occupation.

00:44:24.980 We are occupying all of these lands.

00:44:26.780 If we just got the fuck out of the Middle East, have you just take a look at a map, like

00:44:30.900 look at a map, uh, you know, pull up the map of the military bases that are, that are in

00:44:35.380 the Middle East right now.

00:44:36.180 They're ringing and dotting the entire region.

00:44:39.320 Okay.

00:44:39.700 You can't find an analog in the Western hemisphere of Middle Easterners or any other, uh, you know,

00:44:44.960 culture or, or, or, or country that is posturing the same way in American, uh, in the American

00:44:51.460 sphere of influence.

00:44:52.480 Okay.

00:44:52.960 Well, maybe like Minneapolis is a lot of some knowledge, but it is different.

00:44:56.100 Yeah.

00:44:56.180 I know.

00:44:56.820 It is a little different, uh, than what you're saying.

00:44:59.380 Obviously America is a much bigger occupier.

00:45:02.640 So I agree with that.

00:45:03.460 Like we are the bullies that kind of start all this drama.

00:45:06.120 But to your point though, the Islamophobia, this thing, not all Muslims are bad, right?

00:45:11.700 I mean, I mean, so, so when you label like every Muslim is a terrorist, I mean, I didn't

00:45:16.040 label every Muslim.

00:45:17.020 I know.

00:45:17.280 And I'm not even trying to get on you.

00:45:18.460 I just feel like that narrative, we've created that narrative.

00:45:20.420 And that is kind of a propaganda war that, that every Muslim guy is trying to blow us

00:45:24.520 up, which is obviously not true.

00:45:25.760 I think every Islamist is every Islamist is trying to.

00:45:28.760 And you know, the, the funny thing is, by the way, the answer to the question I asked

00:45:32.280 you is, uh, it's over 60,000, over 60,000 terrorist attacks, according to the, the, like

00:45:37.240 the International Council for Terrorism or, or, I mean, you, you, you, you're an appeal

00:45:41.100 to authority on the, let's appeal to authority on the UN.

00:45:43.480 So I might as well bring up, I might as well bring up those steps.

00:45:46.840 Yeah.

00:45:47.100 Yeah.

00:45:47.200 So what is it?

00:45:47.740 The International Council for Terrorism?

00:45:49.260 What is that?

00:45:49.600 I can't remember the name of it.

00:45:50.700 I think it's the International Terrorism Council or something like that, but it's the, it's

00:45:54.640 the main site that documents, um, terror, terrorist, uh, events.

00:45:58.280 Yeah.

00:45:58.540 Funded by the State Department.

00:46:00.020 So what's the UN funded by?

00:46:02.900 Exactly.

00:46:03.480 Shut up.

00:46:03.880 The UN.

00:46:04.540 So, so now, hold on.

00:46:05.920 I'm sorry.

00:46:06.340 The UN is funded by the United States.

00:46:08.020 There's over 60,000 documented terror attacks.

00:46:10.040 And the UN is actually the, the institution that I'm citing, which is funded by the UN,

00:46:15.440 and even they confer.

00:46:17.100 Hold on.

00:46:17.480 Let's take turns.

00:46:18.060 You think every single one of these instances, over 60,000 over the past 50 years that have

00:46:23.280 been documented, whether you agree with the numbers or not, you think all of those are

00:46:26.580 resistance, but what Israel is doing right now, after we watched on Telegram, what happened

00:46:34.060 on October 7th is not resistance.

00:46:36.220 Do you see the problem in your logic?

00:46:37.860 I see the problem in your logic and not understanding that Israel, according to the world consensus,

00:46:42.400 is the belligerent occupier ever since 1967 formally.

00:46:46.740 So 20 years, two decades before the creation of Hamas, there was the acquisition of territory

00:46:53.520 that Israel occupied, subsequently settled.

00:46:57.240 Global terrorism database, by the way.

00:46:58.560 And that's, that's two decades before the creation of Hamas.

00:47:02.220 So you have to ask yourself, and I know this is hard for you to have self-reflection, but

00:47:06.800 in the 20 years since the war of acquisition in 1967, 1987, what was going on?

00:47:14.040 What was Israel doing that would have led to Palestinians feeling as though we need to

00:47:19.520 engage in armed resistance against this occupying army, against this occupying force?

00:47:24.400 It's concluded by every relevant authority in this matter, okay, that Israel has imposed

00:47:33.700 an illegal blockade and siege of the Gaza Strip.

00:47:37.720 They have, you know, starved and, and, and, uh...

00:47:42.640 You keep saying starved, right?

00:47:44.520 Why, why would, why would Israel have to feed them?

00:47:48.620 Because they're an occupying army.

00:47:50.260 And, and the laws of belligerent occupation require that if you take...

00:47:53.300 But they're not occupied.

00:47:53.900 Now listen.

00:47:54.460 But there is an asymmetrical power struggle where Israel has power, so they are responsive.

00:47:58.260 Yes.

00:47:58.500 I can hope so.

00:47:59.020 The law of belligerent occupation administered by the International Committee for the Red Cross

00:48:04.220 tells us what this means.

00:48:07.020 Is that State Department?

00:48:07.780 The right...

00:48:08.140 No, it's not.

00:48:08.820 It's an international institution.

00:48:10.860 And again, you know, you can laugh, but this is, uh, we're talking about universal humanitarian

00:48:19.160 laws.

00:48:19.900 And if you are a belligerent occupier under universal humanitarian laws, you have the rights of

00:48:25.400 occupation, okay, you have, you have rights as a belligerent occupier, but you also incur

00:48:30.720 responsibilities and Israel defaults on those responsibilities.

00:48:34.340 I just want to point out that the U.S. tried to establish a peer in Gaza to deliver aid and

00:48:40.020 they were constantly attacked and it had to be dismantled under Biden.

00:48:43.260 So Hamas or whatever groups in Palestine were not looking for help because the U.S. tried

00:48:47.040 to deliver it.

00:48:47.900 So there is resistance going on that you have to acknowledge in the Gaza Strip to this day.

00:48:52.280 I mean, and you, you see, you see the pallets of food and, uh, and fuel and coal.

00:48:58.920 Yeah, they're not being let in by Israel.

00:49:00.760 They're not being let in by Israel.

00:49:02.120 Then why does Israel have the pallets sitting there ready to go in?

00:49:06.560 Because, because international aid organizations have delivered it up to the apartheid wall and

00:49:13.260 they are met by IDF forces who say no.

00:49:16.260 Would you agree that you have working eyes and ears based off of this conversation?

00:49:19.420 I think that's in the affirmative, have you seen the videos of Hamas firing on their

00:49:23.800 own civilians, right, when they get those aid trucks in?

00:49:26.900 No.

00:49:27.000 You haven't seen them?

00:49:27.520 That's, that's, that's, that's Israeli, that's Israeli, that's those Israeli forces

00:49:31.600 that have done that.

00:49:32.640 No, absolutely.

00:49:33.100 And again, again, again, again, again, even if that was true, which I, which I, even if

00:49:37.420 it was true.

00:49:38.460 It's fucking true.

00:49:38.960 They're talking about a belligerent occupier occupying people.

00:49:43.360 Then why are they shooting their own citizens?

00:49:44.720 They, they don't get the right to say, they don't get the right to say, oh, look at them.

00:49:48.340 So is Hamas, look at what they're doing.

00:49:50.220 So is Hamas resisting against the Palestinians?

00:49:52.120 They're, they're, they're stealing the loot, they're looting the, the aid.

00:49:54.640 Dude, get out of their fucking country.

00:49:57.120 No, it's, it's Gaza.

00:49:58.180 Stop blocking the aid.

00:49:59.620 I'm talking about Gaza.

00:50:00.060 You have no right.

00:50:01.100 You have no right to go in there and tell them what, you know, how much food can be let in.

00:50:05.740 They have, they, they're a country, they're allowed to trade, they're allowed, they're

00:50:10.780 not, they're not a country because they're denied the rights of a country.

00:50:13.500 But you're saying they're not a country.

00:50:14.000 And I think that's wrong.

00:50:15.600 Okay.

00:50:16.240 Yeah.

00:50:16.540 You can make that argument, but they're not a country.

00:50:17.820 I can, and I just did.

00:50:19.100 So you can't occupy something that isn't a fucking country.

00:50:22.660 Yes, you can.

00:50:23.660 It is a country under international law.

00:50:25.880 It's recognized as a sovereign territory, but it is under illegal occupation.

00:50:30.260 It's a territory that's being deprived its rights as a country.

00:50:34.000 Yeah, but real quick, Mishfit.

00:50:35.340 It's not a country.

00:50:35.980 You love America.

00:50:37.080 You're Misfit Patriot.

00:50:38.180 You would die for this country, wouldn't you?

00:50:39.820 Absolutely.

00:50:40.420 So why wouldn't a Palestinian do the same thing, whether, whether you're in Texas or Massachusetts?

00:50:44.520 I'm saying they, they're going to die for the country just like you would die for America.

00:50:47.460 That's a valid point.

00:50:48.880 It's actually a really good point.

00:50:50.140 And we had a civil war over, over the issue of slavery, right?

00:50:53.820 And they, some people thought they were right and the other people thought they were

00:50:56.720 right and they fucking killed each other.

00:50:58.100 And I think that it was necessary to end slavery.

00:51:01.560 I wouldn't say that the North and the South both didn't believe what they were doing is

00:51:06.060 correct.

00:51:06.660 But I think that we can all agree that one side was right, one side was wrong, and the

00:51:12.480 good guys won.

00:51:13.300 And this is no different.

00:51:15.600 This is no different.

00:51:16.640 This is, you have the Palestinians, not the Palestinian people, not the Palestinian people,

00:51:22.480 the Hamas supporting Palestinians.

00:51:25.260 And you have the de facto government that they elected.

00:51:28.820 And this is why they don't have a right to any of these arguments of we're a territory,

00:51:33.140 you're occupying.

00:51:33.980 Because the Palestinians got together like 20 years ago and they said, you know who we

00:51:38.320 want to be our government?

00:51:39.640 Hamas.

00:51:40.080 Do you know why they said that?

00:51:43.560 Because they were under illegal occupation.

00:51:45.660 It's an occupied territory.

00:51:46.980 Okay, so they voted in terrorists to fight the illegal occupation.

00:51:50.900 It's not terrorists.

00:51:51.720 It's because the Israelis installed subcontractors to carry out the duties of occupation in the

00:51:58.500 name of the PLO.

00:52:00.540 And the Palestinians correctly realized that their situation was not changing.

00:52:05.400 The Oslo Accords in the 90s did not come to a peaceful appropriation of their rights.

00:52:12.240 And so what do you do?

00:52:13.740 You become disillusioned.

00:52:15.480 You are, you're smug and you're not, you're not under occupation.

00:52:19.920 You don't know what it's like being systematically starved.

00:52:22.740 You don't know what it's like to have your families bombed in the middle of the night.

00:52:26.120 You don't understand what it's like to have these campaigns of terror instituted against

00:52:30.820 your territory, against your homes and families.

00:52:33.820 So you don't, you don't get it.

00:52:35.640 But the Palestinians understood that under the PLO, they were being subverted.

00:52:41.460 They were being subjugated.

00:52:42.520 And it was really just in a Mossad cutout at that point.

00:52:46.420 They installed subcontractors to take on the duties of occupation and to, and so that the

00:52:51.280 Israelis could wash their hands clean and say, look, we're not really involved, even

00:52:55.460 though they were very intimately involved, involved.

00:52:58.440 And they, you know, that that's been spelled out throughout the entire 90s.

00:53:01.940 And that led to the second intifada, which began peacefully.

00:53:05.420 It was a peaceful protest against the occupation forces.

00:53:08.960 And guess what happens?

00:53:10.360 According to the Israeli minister at the time who was involved in the Oslo Accords, Shlomo

00:53:18.300 Ben-Ami says that the IDF escalated the situation.

00:53:23.420 There was an authentic Palestinian struggle for self-determination.

00:53:26.400 The second intifada I'm talking about.

00:53:28.480 I'm listening to you.

00:53:29.640 Misfit, are you listening?

00:53:30.260 I don't have to look.

00:53:30.800 2000, 2001, the second intifada began peacefully.

00:53:35.400 It was a peaceful protest against the occupying force and the finance minister, Shlomo Ben-Ami,

00:53:41.740 or maybe he was the foreign minister.

00:53:42.980 I forget.

00:53:44.020 He concluded that it began peacefully and it was an authentic Palestinian struggle for

00:53:49.160 self-determination.

00:53:50.200 And it only escalated into an all-out war when the IDF started shooting them down after,

00:53:56.180 you know, maybe a kid was throwing a rock or something, you know?

00:54:00.240 Okay.

00:54:00.620 Because, you know, those rocks are really deadly.

00:54:02.360 The kid that threw the rock out.

00:54:03.400 Or maybe it was a sandwich, I don't know.

00:54:04.820 How many rockets are fired into Israel on average?

00:54:08.040 Again, you do not claim a moral right if that moral right traces back to an illegal wrong.

00:54:13.240 This is something that the ancient Greeks understood.

00:54:14.920 When they said ex injuria non-jewis orator, they meant that a legal right cannot be invoked

00:54:20.120 from an illegal wrong.

00:54:21.700 So when you acquire territory and you occupy people, you don't get the right to self-defense

00:54:26.000 in occupied territory.

00:54:26.740 It wasn't occupied.

00:54:27.320 That's not how it works.

00:54:28.140 It wasn't occupied.

00:54:28.900 It was occupied.

00:54:29.920 We're understanding.

00:54:30.340 So how far do you want to go back?

00:54:31.840 Because your whole entire argument, everything that you've been saying is a he-started-it argument.

00:54:36.340 Absolutely.

00:54:37.040 Okay.

00:54:37.300 So who started it and when?

00:54:38.980 Yeah.

00:54:39.260 Let's establish that.

00:54:40.220 Well, it depends on...

00:54:41.680 Well, we could go back to the beginning of time.

00:54:44.140 We could go back 3,500 years.

00:54:45.760 No, no, no, no.

00:54:46.620 Biblical rights have no status in the world today.

00:54:48.600 You can't invoke the Bible.

00:54:49.580 We're talking about modern history, dude.

00:54:51.260 Let's start with modern history.

00:54:52.260 Let's start with the creation of the nation-state of Israel.

00:54:56.100 Yeah.

00:54:56.460 Okay.

00:54:56.700 That was a...

00:54:58.140 The UNGA 181 partition plan, which gave Israel the international birth certificate, was itself

00:55:05.000 a declaration of war.

00:55:06.500 I do not agree with the decision to create the state of Israel.

00:55:11.600 Okay.

00:55:11.900 Okay.

00:55:12.240 So just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean it was not created.

00:55:15.600 Yeah.

00:55:15.980 We obviously know that Israelis exist.

00:55:17.980 Is it created in a legal format, is it an established nation?

00:55:22.660 Yes, by the Western, European, and United States countries.

00:55:25.940 Yeah, the...

00:55:26.300 And this is the point, though.

00:55:27.240 The League of Nations.

00:55:27.820 Even those institutions that gave Israel the international birth certificate in 1948,

00:55:33.860 even those institutions condemn Israel ever since 1967.

00:55:37.320 Okay.

00:55:37.520 That's why my argument goes back to 1967, formally...

00:55:40.500 But not 1948.

00:55:41.780 Well, it does for me, yes.

00:55:43.280 It does go back to 1948.

00:55:44.560 In fact, it goes back to 1917.

00:55:45.920 And it goes back to the 1890s, ever since Jewish immigration to Palestine by the Zionists

00:55:51.080 started.

00:55:51.780 Yeah, okay.

00:55:52.220 So let's go...

00:55:53.880 Theodore Herzl's vision for a modern state of Israel where Jews have a right to live

00:56:00.760 in peace and exist in that particular location, which wasn't...

00:56:04.240 That's not his formulation.

00:56:04.880 It wasn't even really part of the original plan to be right there in Israel.

00:56:07.300 If you read Theodore Herzl's diary, he makes clear that he knew that they would have to

00:56:11.100 dispossess and spirit, quote, spirit the penniless population of the territory to come over

00:56:18.020 to our sides.

00:56:18.560 After we've dispossessed and taken their lands and resettled it, we're going to give them

00:56:23.800 breadcrumbs to make sure that they're going to be copacetic to the whole situation.

00:56:28.280 But dispossession and depriving of the land, resources, and labor of these indigenous peoples

00:56:35.480 was always part of the plan.

00:56:37.120 That's the formulation of Zionism at the beginning.

00:56:40.060 Okay, but let's just at least agree on the point that Israel was created, and whether you

00:56:45.560 agree with it or not, it was created.

00:56:47.580 It's a nation, right?

00:56:49.080 And then there was a dispute over...

00:56:51.420 That's a nation?

00:56:51.900 That is...

00:56:52.440 Sorry.

00:56:52.640 There was this dispute over who gets what.

00:56:56.360 A lot of deals were turned down by the Palestinians, and they were offered this territory and that

00:57:01.420 territory, and they said, no, no, no, and they started war after war after war after war.

00:57:04.840 And you think, hold on, you think all of these wars, right, that have been started by one

00:57:09.500 side, right, it's a very one-sided initiation of conflict, you think all of them are justified

00:57:15.100 because all of its resistance, just because of the mere fact that Israel was created.

00:57:18.420 Again, I'll give you this metaphor.

00:57:20.980 I come into your home, I hogtie your family, I give you the basement, I take over the upper

00:57:24.740 three floors of your house, okay?

00:57:27.340 And then you somehow free yourself, and you try to come up and attack me, and I say, oh,

00:57:34.340 you're starting a war with me, okay?

00:57:36.660 Why would you do that?

00:57:37.920 That is exactly what has happened in 1948 with the creation of the State of Israel.

00:57:42.120 Remember, you said that, oh, we were so benevolent, we gave them all this land.

00:57:46.160 No, you took, the majority of the land that was allotted to the Jewish Zionist settlers

00:57:52.940 was afforded by the UN.

00:57:55.980 But they're not settlers.

00:57:56.600 But no, but they're called occupiers.

00:57:59.260 The Jews are called occupiers.

00:58:00.900 Yeah, but this goes back to my original, my point.

00:58:04.800 If it's a nation that has been established, how can you occupy your own nation?

00:58:09.540 You can't, right?

00:58:10.680 There have been...

00:58:11.880 Yeah, but this is a late establishment.

00:58:13.580 This is a unique situation.

00:58:15.600 There has been peace agreement after peace agreement after peace agreement that has been

00:58:18.340 turned down every time by Palestine.

00:58:21.520 No, by Palestine, right?

00:58:23.500 And look, there's been ceasefires that have been broken by Israel, okay?

00:58:27.420 That's happened.

00:58:27.900 Yeah.

00:58:28.360 And there's been ceasefires that have been broken by Palestine.

00:58:30.700 No, there haven't.

00:58:31.300 Yeah, this is the problem with you.

00:58:33.380 You don't have any...

00:58:35.140 Why would...

00:58:35.580 How is it that I can say from a pro-Israel side,

00:58:38.760 I am agreeing that Israel has broken ceasefires, right?

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00:59:40.140 You will not give anything to...

00:59:44.320 You will not...

00:59:45.420 Exactly.

00:59:46.060 You will not acknowledge that there has been any wrongdoing on one side.

00:59:53.320 That's your problem.

00:59:53.760 Because, again, the principal contradiction is occupied people versus...

00:59:56.760 It's why you're hacked.

00:59:57.340 No, no.

00:59:57.580 You will not...

00:59:58.140 Again, it's because...

00:59:59.920 There is an infallibility.

01:00:01.180 Show me where the Palestinians have broken a ceasefire, okay?

01:00:05.580 The whole point of a ceasefire is that they're under occupation, okay?

01:00:10.100 That's a great argument.

01:00:11.380 You are tacitly accepting the inherent violence of the occupation.

01:00:14.480 We can do whatever we want because we believe that there's an occupation.

01:00:18.260 We can do whatever we want because we believe there's an occupation.

01:00:20.240 No, no, not because we or whatever.

01:00:22.220 Again, these are international conclusions that have been drawn by legal, you know, authorities, okay?

01:00:28.680 They have said this is an occupying situation.

01:00:33.000 And if it goes back to, you know...

01:00:36.780 Okay.

01:00:37.080 I feel like you're not even listening.

01:00:38.700 I'm listening.

01:00:39.020 I'm listening.

01:00:39.700 But your whole entire argument hinges on one point.

01:00:45.200 Yes.

01:00:45.680 That there is an occupation.

01:00:47.120 Yeah.

01:00:47.420 Hold on.

01:00:48.040 And if there is an occupation, anything goes, right?

01:00:51.540 There is no fallibility to Hamas.

01:00:54.620 They can do no wrong.

01:00:56.100 Everything is acceptable.

01:00:57.700 Rape, resistance, fucking everything.

01:00:59.460 No, no, he didn't say rape.

01:01:00.920 Hey, now.

01:01:01.240 You said earlier there was no rape from the Palestinians.

01:01:04.940 What would Auschwitz, like, what would the Jews in Auschwitz have to do?

01:01:08.800 Let's not straw-man this.

01:01:09.800 I want to pin point.

01:01:10.960 It's a historical analog.

01:01:12.200 I want to hammer you down on this point.

01:01:14.120 There was two hostages that were released from Hamas captivity that said,

01:01:17.780 I was raped repeatedly.

01:01:19.580 And half of the women were raped.

01:01:21.740 Are you calling them liars?

01:01:23.820 Say that again?

01:01:24.800 Who said this?

01:01:25.960 There were two hostages, women, that were released from captivity in one of the hostage negotiations.

01:01:31.280 Okay.

01:01:31.420 Did you see the IDF soldiers raping these Palestinian detainees?

01:01:36.720 There's tens of thousands of prisoners in the Israeli-

01:01:39.780 Whataboutism for 30 more seconds.

01:01:42.880 There were two women who were released from Hamas captivity who said,

01:01:47.780 I was raped repeatedly.

01:01:49.700 At least half the women in captivity out of the 200 and something hostages were raped repeatedly.

01:01:55.840 There is documented evidence from firsthand accounts.

01:01:59.180 If you watch the documentary Screams Before Silence, I doubt you will because you'll just call it Israeli propaganda.

01:02:03.720 Well, that's what they do.

01:02:04.960 They go over all of the evidence that they have.

01:02:06.520 I do not entrust anything out of Israel's fucking mouth.

01:02:08.680 Of course you don't because then you'd have to acknowledge facts.

01:02:10.460 They're belligerent liars.

01:02:11.740 No, there's no facts.

01:02:12.280 This is called cognitive dissonance.

01:02:14.720 There's absolutely no legitimacy.

01:02:16.880 So they're lying.

01:02:17.460 I just want you to lie.

01:02:18.000 There's no legitimacy until there's an actual independent-

01:02:20.460 So they're lying.

01:02:21.740 You know what?

01:02:22.180 It's really, you know, this could be verified.

01:02:24.300 Are those women lying?

01:02:24.900 Israel doesn't let third party organizations to come in and actually do investigations.

01:02:31.100 The documentary wasn't made by the IDF.

01:02:32.720 The IDF said so, so we got to go with that.

01:02:34.720 No, no, no.

01:02:35.000 The women said so.

01:02:36.360 The women said so.

01:02:37.480 On camera.

01:02:38.160 Let's-

01:02:38.520 Okay, so the women claim that.

01:02:39.300 Are you calling them liars?

01:02:40.680 Let's see what the evidence is.

01:02:42.200 What is the evidence?

01:02:42.660 I just told you.

01:02:43.500 Watch the documentary.

01:02:44.380 It wasn't an IDF documentary.

01:02:44.780 I'm not-

01:02:45.180 I didn't watch the documentary.

01:02:46.800 Okay, but after this debate-

01:02:49.100 After this debate, go watch the documentary.

01:02:51.600 For argument's sake, let's just agree and let's just admit maybe both sides, and sadly, I don't know why we have to admit this, have raped people.

01:02:58.160 I know it's disgusting, or it's disgusting, the sexual assault, let's just call it a wash.

01:03:03.680 I will be happy to say that there's a high likelihood that there has been an Israeli soldier that has raped somebody.

01:03:10.000 I'm sure because, listen-

01:03:11.360 He will not do that, though.

01:03:12.400 We have it on camera.

01:03:13.500 There's Palestinians that'll have sex with a goat, no offense.

01:03:15.760 I'm just saying, so I'm not surprised they've raped a human.

01:03:18.520 My point is, though, even if there were some sexual assaults, which is horrible, still being murdered is worse than a sexual assault.

01:03:25.300 Yeah, but I'm saying, he's calling it resistance. It's not resistance to rape people.

01:03:29.640 Again, you know, we're talking about occupied people.

01:03:34.960 So raping people is okay if you're occupied.

01:03:37.040 No, there's no excuse for rape.

01:03:38.200 Rape is never okay.

01:03:38.580 Right, yeah, exactly.

01:03:39.920 The banks are finally fucking admitting that.

01:03:41.740 No, but I'm saying, we use this rape, we see this narrative constantly, rape, rape, rape, and because, I'm sure there was a rape that probably happened,

01:03:48.520 and does that mean little kids should not be able to get flour to make bread?

01:03:52.440 You know what I mean?

01:03:53.360 Again, we have, like you just said earlier, we have built a pier for aid.

01:04:00.280 Oh, you built a pier.

01:04:01.220 We have aid being dropped in.

01:04:02.960 There are pallets of aid.

01:04:04.000 Why are they so reliant on international aid?

01:04:06.740 Bro.

01:04:06.980 Because they're deprived of their rights as a country.

01:04:09.960 They're not a fucking country.

01:04:11.320 They're allowed to be, they're internationally recognized as a sovereign territory, and their rights are being deprived.

01:04:17.520 That's a legal argument, okay?

01:04:20.040 And that's something that's beyond you or me or this room, okay?

01:04:23.080 That is what world institutions have concluded.

01:04:25.540 These are occupied people.

01:04:27.260 If you want a pearl clutch about the violence committed on October 7th, fine!

01:04:31.360 Pearl clutch.

01:04:31.780 Blame the Israeli government!

01:04:33.380 See, this is the problem.

01:04:34.400 That is the principal aggressor.

01:04:36.800 The constant shifting of blame to the people who were attacked on October 7th is the most disingenuous argument.

01:04:45.500 What about October 6th?

01:04:45.960 What about October 5th?

01:04:46.740 There was a ceasefire on October 6th.

01:04:48.380 Do you know who broke it?

01:04:49.180 Did you know that October 7th wasn't a bright, beautiful day?

01:04:52.580 In fact, there were 2.3 million people enclosed in a concentration camp who were slowly starving to death,

01:04:58.660 and they decided, you know what, we're going to do something about it because I don't want to die anymore.

01:05:03.000 How long did it take to build the tunnels?

01:05:05.380 Let's talk about the tunnels.

01:05:06.800 I would love to talk about the tunnels.

01:05:08.060 The fact that there is an illegal blockade, Bronze Age siege warfare instituted against the Gaza Strip,

01:05:13.700 on part by the Israelis, yes, they've had to construct tunnels underneath the ground

01:05:19.620 because, you know, apparently Israelis expect Palestinians to just stand on the surface while we bomb you.

01:05:26.260 Do they put the Gazan people in those tunnels?

01:05:28.600 They've destroyed every single fucking building in 2014.

01:05:33.000 Are the Gazan civilians allowed to go in those tunnels and protect themselves from Israeli bombs?

01:05:38.880 Are Gazan civilians allowed to go under into tunnels?

01:05:43.440 Yes.

01:05:43.880 I asked the question.

01:05:44.820 You just repeated it.

01:05:45.680 Yeah.

01:05:45.980 Can you answer it?

01:05:47.220 Sure.

01:05:47.800 No.

01:05:48.600 They're not.

01:05:49.840 And this is on video of Gazans actually saying we're not allowed to go in the tunnels.

01:05:53.740 Hamas will shoot them.

01:05:54.620 Oh, oh, shit.

01:05:55.920 Okay.

01:05:56.300 Well, you know what?

01:05:57.260 You want to talk about that?

01:05:59.100 I do.

01:05:59.600 Fine.

01:05:59.860 Let Israel vacate the occupied territories.

01:06:05.180 Then you can talk about the tunnels.

01:06:06.720 The reason that the tunnels are there is because of the Israeli occupation.

01:06:11.520 They've blocked every fucking border.

01:06:14.500 But why are the tunnels there?

01:06:15.220 They control the airspace, dude.

01:06:16.780 Yeah, but why?

01:06:17.260 They control the landed borders.

01:06:18.800 What are the tunnels for?

01:06:19.300 They control everything about that strip.

01:06:21.380 And you're pearl clutching about the fucking tunnels.

01:06:23.880 They created the tunnels because of the occupation.

01:06:26.780 So they created the tunnels because of the occupation.

01:06:28.300 Most of the tunnels, most of the tunnels were there to import food.

01:06:33.960 That's what they're for?

01:06:34.640 90% of the food that comes into the Gaza Strip has to come in under the Rafa border.

01:06:39.480 Sure.

01:06:40.020 Okay.

01:06:40.440 Yeah.

01:06:40.600 And the clothing and shit like baby formula.

01:06:43.940 So the food is allowed in the tunnels.

01:06:45.300 The people are not.

01:06:47.000 Oh, my God.

01:06:47.980 The people are not allowed in the tunnels.

01:06:50.540 Oh, my God.

01:06:51.620 The cartel builds tunnels.

01:06:53.220 Yeah.

01:06:53.680 In New York, the Jews build tunnels.

01:06:55.760 Everyone's building tunnels.

01:06:58.720 Everyone's got tunnels.

01:06:59.640 Yeah.

01:06:59.800 But you know, see, the thing is.

01:07:00.780 Oh, but they don't allow their civilians in the tunnels.

01:07:02.740 So therefore, let's just continue bombing them.

01:07:04.840 So in 2005, right, Hamas has the opportunity to build infrastructure, help their own people,

01:07:14.100 you know, put a nice grid up.

01:07:16.000 No, they don't.

01:07:16.860 No, they did.

01:07:17.340 Dumbass.

01:07:17.740 They did.

01:07:18.040 How do you think they got the money to build the fucking tunnels?

01:07:20.900 They're under occupation.

01:07:21.720 Well, I mean, come on.

01:07:23.060 Tunnels aren't that expensive.

01:07:24.040 And they do have funding.

01:07:25.100 I mean, Hamas, they do.

01:07:25.640 They're pretty expensive.

01:07:26.520 Have you ever seen a tunnel?

01:07:27.380 I'm just saying, okay, they probably are getting too dark money.

01:07:29.020 You think people just want to build tunnels to be underground?

01:07:31.400 You think people want to go hide underground?

01:07:32.660 That's my question to you.

01:07:33.620 It's because they're being bombed, you dumb fuck.

01:07:35.020 You said why the tunnels are being built.

01:07:37.420 What were the tunnels built for?

01:07:39.500 And it's not food, right?

01:07:40.960 Yes, they were.

01:07:41.540 Actually, Sarah Roy, a Harvard economist, has studied this extensively going back to the 90s.

01:07:46.440 And she, as well as a plethora of other economists, have determined that 90% of all the tunnels that go into Gaza and come out of Gaza were created post-2005,

01:08:02.260 which means that after Israel imposed the harsh blockade, yes, predictably, and after they committed these operations, these terrorist operations in the Gaza Strip where they demolished the entire Strip,

01:08:16.720 yes, they created more tunnels to circumvent the Israeli occupation.

01:08:21.660 That's not a fucking revelation, dude.

01:08:23.660 How does a tunnel circumvent an Israeli operation?

01:08:25.240 Because you go underground, and then that way you can smuggle in shit that you need to have a society because it's being deprived.

01:08:31.000 You mean like bombs?

01:08:33.360 No, I don't mean like bombs, actually, because most of the shit, like I just said, that went into Rafah from Egypt was food, clothing, construction materials.

01:08:43.860 Here's the total amount.

01:08:44.600 Shit that you need to have an actual fucking society because if you don't have buildings, you can't organize.

01:08:48.360 You don't have infrastructure.

01:08:49.260 Since 2005, when they started building the tunnels, there has been a grand total of 32,330 rockets and mortars fired towards Israel.

01:08:57.480 2005, and you know, predictably, that's when the occupation ratcheted up the blockade, ratcheted up the siege.

01:09:03.940 So, yes.

01:09:04.340 Did you see how ludicrous that was where they said they weren't going to send them cookies because they could use the cookies?

01:09:08.920 Yeah.

01:09:09.200 I mean, it wasn't that sort of ridiculous.

01:09:11.640 They said that they could make rockets.

01:09:13.200 I think that, look, if it were me, I wouldn't fucking let anything in there.

01:09:17.820 If you, well, I know, because you're, you're, you're a spineless coward.

01:09:21.900 No, I mean, I wouldn't, listen, if Mexico did what Hamas did, I wouldn't fucking send snacks to Mexico.

01:09:28.100 See, I'm different.

01:09:28.840 Even a person on death row in prison, I hate them.

01:09:31.220 I think they deserve to eat food, believe it or not.

01:09:32.980 Sure, but if that fucking, if that person on death row is firing a rocket at you fucking 15 times a day, I'd probably defeat them.

01:09:39.940 If they killed a family of seven, you know, in a weird rage, a fit of rage, I still believe that person, when they go to jail, should not be starved.

01:09:48.240 What we're, what the point we're leaving out is there is a, there is a, there is a, there is a, there is a, there is a consistent threat to Israel that is proven through the amount of rockets that is being fired at Israel daily.

01:10:01.980 Daily, right?

01:10:03.220 They're not being fired by Hamas.

01:10:04.760 They're being fired by Hamas.

01:10:06.060 They're being fired out of Gaza into Israel.

01:10:08.180 That's what the Iron Dome is for.

01:10:09.700 Well, I understand that, but it's like a lot of those bombs, I mean, I don't know how big of a, you know.

01:10:13.780 Yeah, but just because they're bad at it doesn't mean that it's fucking, no.

01:10:16.600 It's the foreign countries that they're actually afraid of.

01:10:19.100 It's not really Gaza.

01:10:19.740 Alex is right.

01:10:20.860 There's, there's studies done on this.

01:10:22.540 There's, you know, documented evidence that shows that, you know, an overwhelming majority of the rockets that are fired into the green zone, the green line into Israel.

01:10:31.980 These are glorified bottle rockets, okay?

01:10:34.780 And they're counted as if they are, oh, it's another, oh, we're under attack.

01:10:39.900 And it's a way of showing how good the Iron Dome is.

01:10:42.720 Yeah, yeah, but it's really not a, exactly.

01:10:44.780 So your argument, so you're going against, and the argument is they build, your argument is they build shitty rockets and fire them at Israel.

01:10:50.340 Yeah, because they don't have a military, but they, you know, they're deprived.

01:10:52.460 They are the military, it's called Hamas, you called them resistance.

01:10:54.780 They're deprived, they're deprived of having any, show me a military base.

01:10:58.820 Where's their military base?

01:10:59.940 Where's their, where's their Navy?

01:11:01.140 Where's their army?

01:11:01.640 Exactly, where is their, where is their military base?

01:11:03.520 They are embedded into the civilian population, which is why Gaza looks like Hiroshima.

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01:12:07.900 It's because of what now?

01:12:09.260 Their military base is any fucking house they want.

01:12:12.380 It's hospitals. It's schools. It's mosques.

01:12:14.680 So the head of the Mossad, which the Cure League compound or whatever it's called in downtown Tel Aviv, we can just bomb downtown Tel Aviv since there's a Mossad building there.

01:12:26.180 Okay, got it.

01:12:26.700 The IDF headquarters are underground in Tel Aviv.

01:12:29.840 So we can bomb Tel Aviv.

01:12:31.140 We can just wipe off Tel Aviv off the map, right?

01:12:34.020 That's your logic.

01:12:35.380 Well, I mean, all right.

01:12:36.220 They're embedded in civilian infrastructure.

01:12:38.440 So let's level it.

01:12:39.680 Gaza is about the size of Detroit, okay?

01:12:41.580 So let's say there was, according to you, a resistance force, right?

01:12:46.120 A resistance force that was in Detroit that was firing rockets at their neighbors, you know, like outer Detroit, whatever.

01:12:54.000 And we were saying, okay, these people are literally embedding themselves in downtown Detroit.

01:12:59.300 And they're constantly firing rockets out, and they're hiding among civilians, and we can't do anything about it.

01:13:05.320 Do I think that we should bomb Detroit?

01:13:07.660 Yeah.

01:13:08.780 So that's the problem.

01:13:10.160 What about the chop in Seattle?

01:13:11.880 We've kind of had that where there's been resistance.

01:13:13.540 Yeah, I mean, that's a very tamed down version of it.

01:13:16.040 I agree.

01:13:16.800 We don't bomb chop because chop isn't a threat.

01:13:19.100 When there's a school shooter mowing down kindergartners, we should just bomb the school that way.

01:13:22.800 Speaking of school shooters, the one that just took out a couple of kids this week wrote Free Palestine in their manifesto.

01:13:27.520 Oh, my God.

01:13:28.140 Well, let's send more bombs to Israel.

01:13:30.240 Well, to this trans shooter, though, everybody's saying that he was anti-Israel.

01:13:33.880 He did go to a Catholic church and shoot at mass, so I would think he's more anti-Christian.

01:13:38.700 Yeah, that was a soft target.

01:13:38.980 The synagogues were, they have security because of all the threats that they get, right?

01:13:42.760 So they had security.

01:13:43.120 Well, regardless, I'm just saying if he really was that anti-Israel, I think he would have not gone to a Catholic church.

01:13:48.260 But whatever, whatever.

01:13:49.040 I think the cowards who kill children find a soft target.

01:13:51.220 Yeah, he's disgusting.

01:13:52.480 I think that they find a soft target.

01:13:53.880 And his mom worked there.

01:13:55.340 So there's some connections.

01:13:56.600 He knew that it was a soft target.

01:13:57.920 I'm not saying he necessarily loves Israel, but I just think he hates Catholics more.

01:14:01.460 Well, I think that he hates the children of Abraham.

01:14:03.660 I think that he hates anything, like the overwhelming majority of Christians are Zionists.

01:14:08.980 They support Israel because Jesus was a Jew.

01:14:11.820 Jesus is from that region.

01:14:13.440 And they have a religious tie to that land.

01:14:16.660 I mean, that's why I am a, quote, Zionist is because I believe in the Abrahamic covenant.

01:14:21.180 Well, let's talk about this real quick, though.

01:14:22.900 And, Tate, then you can talk.

01:14:24.160 But I want to talk about the woke right because you aren't really necessarily woke right.

01:14:28.660 And there's a, you know, that's a huge conservative debate.

01:14:31.360 I'm sure you're familiar with that, Rathbone, about how conservatives are now fighting because most Christians are pro-Israel.

01:14:36.860 So, Tate, what are you going to say?

01:14:37.740 And then let's get into the kind of the woke right argument.

01:14:39.720 Right.

01:14:39.900 Yeah, well, I mean, it's just we're talking about, like, dispensationalism, right?

01:14:43.660 And I think it's fair to say that dispensationalism, which is a sort of modern view, a modern way to view the Bible, has completely guided our foreign policy over the last 70, 80 years.

01:14:56.940 And now you are seeing pushback from Christians, specifically Catholics and Reformed Protestants, against sort of this dispensational view of the Bible.

01:15:08.660 And I think that's you are seeing that's why you're seeing sort of a shift of Christians not supporting Israel on theological grounds anymore.

01:15:17.120 Sure.

01:15:17.720 There's there's two different ways to support Israel.

01:15:20.440 You can support the people of Israel, which I believe are the ones that fall under the Abrahamic covenant, which is the Jews, the people of the Jewish faith.

01:15:28.620 Right.

01:15:29.080 Not secular Jews, not this not this nation state of Israel.

01:15:33.660 That's more where I come from, from my arguments on it.

01:15:36.900 But, you know, you talk about dispensationalism and how, you know, the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church don't really align with the modern Zionism.

01:15:45.460 And I think that you would be right.

01:15:47.140 It's it's a it's not as big of a percentage as I think a lot of people are inflating it to be.

01:15:50.620 But the the Second Vatican Council Declaration, a nos rete, affirms God's covenant with the Jewish people has never been revoked.

01:15:57.700 An official Catholic teaching holds the old covenant retains its value and that the Jewish people remain most dear to God.

01:16:03.160 So modern Catholic documents reaffirm that the abrogationist superset the supersessionism, the view that Christianity has replaced Judaism entirely lacks foundational Catholic doctrine.

01:16:14.800 Well, it's not a replacement, but I believe I mean, I'm a reformed Protestant, but the catechism of the Catholic Church does hold the view that like in the Pauline letters, like in Galatians, where the promises made to Abraham were fulfilled in Christ.

01:16:27.620 That's the new covenant. And so and the argument that I would make, which is the I guess you could call it the dispensationalist argument.

01:16:34.520 It's not really. But you know what I'm saying is under the Abrahamic covenant, it's an everlasting covenant.

01:16:39.440 Right. So and if God if God is omnipotent, doesn't make mistakes, then he can't create an everlasting covenant that would have an end date.

01:16:47.520 Right. Right. So and it wouldn't transfer because if it would if it would transfer, then they wouldn't have to create the new covenant.

01:16:53.200 It would just be the same covenant. It is the same covenant. It's the overarching covenant of grace.

01:16:58.900 But why would it be called the new covenant? Because it's still the same covenant between God and his people.

01:17:03.600 But new would mean different. Well, new as in the old one has been fulfilled.

01:17:08.980 No, it's the old promises. We go right back to that.

01:17:12.500 If the Abrahamic covenant is an everlasting covenant, it can't be fulfilled.

01:17:17.520 It's everlasting. We have to define what the covenant is and the covenant would be the definitive means of salvation.

01:17:25.160 Sure. And I mean, and there's the argument that the people that is the people that are defined as Israel are now Christians.

01:17:33.540 Right. And Jews are not. And there's this that would be replacement theology.

01:17:39.640 And I just think it's I think it's a lazy, a silly way to view the Bible, because there's so many references in the Bible that that kind of the refute that there's all.

01:17:50.540 Hey, I think you're right. Kellen, what are you all talking?

01:17:55.080 Are you just looking up Gaza? I thought you're looking up something.

01:17:57.460 Someone in chat said there's a McDonald's operating Gaza. I don't think.

01:18:00.960 Is that true?

01:18:01.420 I don't think that's true.

01:18:02.520 Well, you know, they just spent $50,000 on a rooftop.

01:18:06.500 They just spent $50,000 on a rooftop party in Gaza. And that's that's on video.

01:18:12.660 There's a roof in Gaza?

01:18:13.420 Yeah, there's one left.

01:18:14.700 Wow.

01:18:15.020 There's one left. And if you went over there and you.

01:18:17.220 They would throw me off.

01:18:18.380 They would literally fucking kill you.

01:18:20.160 They would throw you off.

01:18:21.000 I know. The IDF would definitely.

01:18:22.240 You do have to admit that argument, though, Rathbone.

01:18:24.020 And I see a lot of people make it.

01:18:26.360 It's that Tel Aviv is arguably one of the gayest cities in America is one of the gayest, you know, obviously very friendly to the gays.

01:18:32.460 And a lot of progressives, you know, are very pro-gay.

01:18:35.820 And then you see Hamas and culturally, you know, Islam is not necessarily Sharia law.

01:18:40.720 I think that we should bomb their entire system.

01:18:42.420 No, I agree. I don't think we should bomb them.

01:18:44.680 Because of how they domestically look at their culture.

01:18:46.940 But you can see how that, you can just see how that argument does kind of create, you know, a little friction.

01:18:53.220 But, you know, I also don't think that Israel is sympathetic to gays necessarily because gay marriage is outlawed.

01:18:59.720 Yeah, you are right about that.

01:19:01.120 But it's just they are more friendly to gays.

01:19:03.180 So you see that argument from the left where it's like, hey, if you're pro-LGBTQ, then why would you be pro-Palestine?

01:19:08.360 I'm just saying that is a tough argument, you know, because you're like, because I debate both sides.

01:19:12.720 We're having a debate.

01:19:13.340 To me, it's not a good argument because you're trying to run cover for the IDF bombing indiscriminately.

01:19:20.040 What do you say? Indiscriminately, right? What do you mean by that?

01:19:23.520 I mean that they use—

01:19:24.440 Like blowing up hospitals on TV.

01:19:27.180 Indiscriminately.

01:19:27.900 I mean, look at the—

01:19:28.740 Would mean wherever. Yeah, we were right here.

01:19:30.620 Well, they admit, though, Misfit, that they make mistakes.

01:19:33.700 And sometimes it was a mistake we bombed that Catholic church.

01:19:35.860 It was a mistake that we bombed the hospital.

01:19:38.260 You see, negligence is not a—

01:19:39.620 But I don't think they're making mistakes.

01:19:41.320 I think that they're very talented and know what the hell they're doing.

01:19:43.860 Yeah, right.

01:19:44.140 I mean, look, you can make that argument that there's mistakes that happen in war, and I think that that would be a valid argument.

01:19:52.960 If this was a war.

01:19:53.740 I think that you should call them out when they do something wrong, and I think that you should—

01:19:58.600 No, you don't.

01:19:59.300 Well, Retherin, you made a good point.

01:20:00.280 Is this a war?

01:20:01.400 Because if it's an asymmetrical power struggle where one person has all the bombs and the other people have no food, how is this a war, right?

01:20:08.880 I mean, doesn't a war have to be a little more 50-50, 60-40 if it's 99 versus 1 percent?

01:20:14.160 Well, are you saying that if a weaker enemy commits that act that was happening?

01:20:20.060 Well, it's like you're saying how they're not even a country.

01:20:21.660 Well, then in that case, they're not even an enemy, and then really they shouldn't even be fighting them.

01:20:25.960 Well, I mean, one could make the argument that it is a civil war.

01:20:29.020 Well, you know, the Jews in Auschwitz were a weaker enemy, so I think maybe, according to your argument, we should have—more of them should have.

01:20:35.660 Yeah, but I mean, that's a—

01:20:37.480 You know, we should just terror bomb Auschwitz.

01:20:39.060 If you look at it that way, right, the Jews were—where was the Jews' army?

01:20:45.140 What was—

01:20:45.660 Exactly.

01:20:46.380 Yeah, no, but I'm saying, did they have a—

01:20:47.600 They had resistance movements, yes.

01:20:49.420 What was the resistance movement for the Jews?

01:20:51.520 Well, I mean, famously, you had the Jewish resistance in the Warsaw Ghetto in 1943.

01:20:55.960 So, one ghetto.

01:20:56.280 And that was an atrocity.

01:20:57.760 Yeah, well, they—I mean, listen, they weren't able to fight back.

01:21:00.640 They had to hide.

01:21:01.580 I mean—

01:21:01.900 Well, according to your argument, if they're not able to fight back, they're just a weaker enemy.

01:21:04.980 They deserve it.

01:21:05.480 Is Hamas a resistance group, a.k.a. militia, a.k.a. military?

01:21:09.440 If it is, then there's a military.

01:21:11.400 It's—

01:21:11.880 It's—

01:21:12.500 Fucking great.

01:21:13.240 Let's go.

01:21:13.900 Let's see who wins.

01:21:14.320 They might—they're an armed resistance group, but I wouldn't classify them as the Wehrmacht or the Russian army or anything like this.

01:21:22.280 So they don't have the infrastructure.

01:21:23.540 They've been denied—and that's the thing is that Israel has denied them military infrastructure, health care infrastructure, education infrastructure—

01:21:30.740 What do you mean denied?

01:21:31.640 All of these—by bombing them relentlessly.

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01:22:31.820 And this is all before October 7th, I'm talking about.

01:22:35.300 Going back decades.

01:22:36.180 2014 Operation Protective Edge.

01:22:38.400 Worst atrocity since October 7th.

01:22:41.020 Since this current genocide.

01:22:42.480 Which was a response to an attack.

01:22:44.080 No, it wasn't.

01:22:45.660 It was not.

01:22:46.220 It was a pretext for a larger invasion.

01:22:49.960 And that same thing played out in Operation Cast Lead in 2009.

01:22:53.700 I mean, it's what the Israelis acknowledge as mowing the lawn.

01:22:56.680 They have to periodically go in there and mow the lawn.

01:22:59.160 And what does mow the lawn mean?

01:23:00.380 It means massacre a bunch of people, destroy all their buildings, and then blockade them from having access to actually reconstruct their society.

01:23:09.640 We're never going to be able to get anywhere in this conversation.

01:23:13.240 Because earlier you said that Hamas is not a terrorist group, right?

01:23:16.620 They're an armed resistance group.

01:23:17.660 They're an armed resistance group, right?

01:23:19.200 Yeah, because they're an occupied people.

01:23:20.860 So you said earlier.

01:23:22.020 They're an occupied people.

01:23:22.920 You said earlier that you are.

01:23:23.760 The IDF is a terrorist group.

01:23:25.100 You said earlier that you are in the majority.

01:23:26.880 You're like, I'm in the majority.

01:23:28.100 They're losing the war.

01:23:29.680 On TikTok, I think it's 80% pro-Palestine.

01:23:32.340 Yeah, but TikTok is a communist Chinese-run fucking...

01:23:35.340 But it's just a way to run a litmus test of kind of seeing where people's opinions are.

01:23:38.700 But I mean, look, let's talk about that real quick, right?

01:23:40.900 These online polls, you guys are living...

01:23:43.360 Not you guys, but, you know, people.

01:23:45.120 Some people are living in the online world, and they're not in the real world.

01:23:49.440 I agree with that.

01:23:49.800 There's a different world than Twitter in the real world.

01:23:50.680 It is a completely different world.

01:23:52.360 When you take a poll on X, how many people that are voting on it are bots?

01:23:56.500 How many people are voting on it are on 50 different accounts voting?

01:24:00.020 Israel's not losing the propaganda war just because of bots.

01:24:02.280 I'm trying to blame it all on bots.

01:24:03.660 That's very...

01:24:04.280 They probably have the most bots.

01:24:05.500 Well, it's fair to say, too, like, among Gen Z, I think Israel's support has completely collapsed.

01:24:09.420 On the right...

01:24:10.040 I go to these cultures.

01:24:11.200 I would agree with that.

01:24:12.100 Zach, that's why I'm getting kind of more radicalized, because I do believe in Israel's,

01:24:15.720 you know, right to survive.

01:24:17.260 I do believe that they should have a piece of the pie there, but I also believe in a two-state

01:24:20.700 solution.

01:24:21.140 I believe the Palestinians should have a right to survive, too.

01:24:22.300 Well, and that's why I think this kind of gets at it, is like, I think for Israel,

01:24:25.760 they do feel like there is a time, like, they have a limited amount of time to make

01:24:29.900 these sort of operations.

01:24:30.080 Well, they just hit the red heifer, and you saw Adam King talk about this.

01:24:33.180 I was sitting right here.

01:24:33.940 They're trying to build the third temple, so, I mean, obviously, they have some big plans,

01:24:39.480 but real quick, now let's talk about, because we're talking about the propaganda war.

01:24:43.440 Zach, I want to get your opinion on this, and I know this isn't necessarily Israel-Palestine,

01:24:47.600 but doesn't it frustrate you when you see this guy, Tom Alexander, who's a cybersecurity

01:24:51.620 executive for Benjamin Netanyahu, gets caught in a pedophile sting?

01:24:54.940 And, you know, I'm not even really mad that they extradited him.

01:24:58.340 I kind of understand they want to protect him.

01:24:59.920 He's an important guy.

01:25:00.780 But what makes me mad is that you haven't seen any mainstream media coverage of this.

01:25:04.580 Have you noticed that?

01:25:05.280 I know you and I see it a lot on Twitter, but you're not seeing it to a level that if

01:25:09.760 this was a Russian cybersecurity, if this was a Palestinian cybersecurity directive, if

01:25:14.660 this was a cybersecurity directive for basically any other country, it would have been, you

01:25:19.240 couldn't have not heard about it.

01:25:20.400 But instead, you have people like me, you know, that don't have that many followers and

01:25:24.000 smaller accounts sharing this.

01:25:25.720 Don't you think it's kind of weird that stuff like that happens and it's not a bigger story?

01:25:29.240 Well, I don't think it's necessarily weird what happened.

01:25:32.220 First of all, I want to clarify.

01:25:33.240 I think that this guy should be buried underneath a prison, right?

01:25:36.040 So this is not a defense of the man, right?

01:25:39.860 That he's a disgusting pedophile and, well, from, let's say, innocent until proven guilty,

01:25:44.460 but pretty sure he's guilty.

01:25:46.660 So what I'm saying is I don't think it's strange that he went back to Israel because he's from

01:25:53.540 Israel, right?

01:25:54.220 That he went through the process.

01:25:56.180 I'm talking more about the media coverage.

01:25:57.600 Oh, the media coverage on it.

01:25:58.620 No, they should cover it.

01:25:59.560 They should absolutely cover it.

01:26:00.360 But you know, I like it when things are covered evenly and equally, right?

01:26:04.200 They're covering, if they were to cover only him and leave out the fact that a pastor was

01:26:09.740 also arrested in that sting, right?

01:26:12.900 So the argument that...

01:26:14.560 But the pastor didn't work for, you know, Billy Graham.

01:26:17.220 He wasn't Joel Osteen's pastor.

01:26:19.200 I mean, this is just...

01:26:19.920 The argument that I'm seeing online, and I know that this is kind of separate from the

01:26:23.040 media coverage, which I think they should cover it.

01:26:25.080 Absolutely.

01:26:25.660 They should definitely cover it.

01:26:26.600 And I don't know why they're not covering it.

01:26:27.860 And maybe somebody has...

01:26:28.760 Maybe you have an actual argument.

01:26:29.920 Well, maybe Israel has a lot of power in our media.

01:26:32.520 Maybe you have an argument for Israel's like, don't talk about that shit.

01:26:36.900 And I think that's wrong.

01:26:38.280 So we can agree there.

01:26:40.080 But I think that some of the rhetoric online is that there's some grand conspiracy.

01:26:45.020 And I don't see that.

01:26:46.400 What I don't see is some like, the Jews pulled some strings and that's why.

01:26:52.500 No, he was arrested, arraigned, indicted, and let go under the same conditions as everyone

01:27:00.000 else in that sting.

01:27:00.840 They didn't take anyone's passport.

01:27:03.360 They didn't restrict anyone's travel.

01:27:05.480 And that's common for that area.

01:27:07.260 Like, that's common for that...

01:27:08.200 Listen, I'm familiar with bonds.

01:27:09.100 You got a $10,000 bond.

01:27:10.140 He is technically allowed to leave if the judge didn't give him a restriction, which that

01:27:13.040 was the case.

01:27:13.800 But I'm saying...

01:27:14.000 Here's when you'll hear me going, like, full send on agreement with all these other

01:27:20.760 people.

01:27:21.040 If he does not come back for his trial, and Israel does not extradite him, then you'll

01:27:27.720 hear me make an argument that that's absolutely fucking bullshit.

01:27:31.620 You can't do that.

01:27:32.460 Get him back here now.

01:27:34.540 Or we'll have a problem with Israel.

01:27:36.360 Well, the DA's Seagal Chata, you know...

01:27:38.960 Yeah, I know.

01:27:39.500 She's on Seagal Chata.

01:27:40.460 She said it was not her.

01:27:41.620 It was a judge.

01:27:42.340 No, it wasn't her.

01:27:42.960 Well, she kicked...

01:27:43.580 It's a federal case, and she kicked it down and blamed them for their mishandling of it.

01:27:49.280 It seems pretty true.

01:27:49.920 Yeah, but if she had...

01:27:50.560 There was something weird with that, but at the same time, though, because that was...

01:27:54.160 I know it's a felony, but it's not actually that uncommon for them to make it a state

01:27:58.820 case and not a federal case, you know, unless they had a ton of evidence.

01:28:01.200 I mean, I'm not...

01:28:01.780 In fact, if she were to take it, it would have...

01:28:04.360 But she definitely gave him favorable treatment.

01:28:05.820 I agree with you on that.

01:28:06.620 I'm just saying, for that crime, because he didn't actually rape the kid he was trying

01:28:10.660 to, it's whatever.

01:28:12.080 People do get bonded for that.

01:28:13.800 His $10,000 bond is actually pretty standard.

01:28:16.020 I think he's a stand-up guy.

01:28:17.660 Yeah, all right.

01:28:18.240 Isn't he the head of the cyber?

01:28:19.580 He's the head of the cybersecurity, and in fact, he was on the record in an interview

01:28:23.900 talking about how they get 90% of pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel content off of Facebook and Instagram.

01:28:29.820 He said that in an interview.

01:28:30.260 Yeah, he's a piece of shit.

01:28:31.900 He was let go by a liberal judge.

01:28:33.300 I think that if the DA...

01:28:34.500 He hasn't been let go yet.

01:28:35.480 He just got to leave the country, which is not always a standard operating procedure for

01:28:38.760 a felony crime.

01:28:39.140 I think that if the DA actually did put her finger on it, then that actually would have

01:28:44.040 looked worse, because then it would have been maybe a conflict of interest.

01:28:47.480 That's why I think that she was like, listen, I don't want anything to do with it, you know,

01:28:51.000 kick it to the state.

01:28:51.660 It could have been a conflict of interest.

01:28:52.980 So a liberal judge let him go, but he also let everyone else go.

01:28:56.800 Everybody else got it.

01:28:57.980 I'm just more mad that the media coverage doesn't talk about it, because I think...

01:29:01.440 It should cover it.

01:29:01.700 And you know, Israel should make a statement, too.

01:29:03.260 Yeah, and Benjamin Netanyahu lied about it.

01:29:05.200 He said, oh, he just got detained.

01:29:06.800 He didn't get arrested.

01:29:07.780 So that's why I get frustrated, is the misinformation.

01:29:10.580 I just want Israel...

01:29:11.360 That's a valid criticism of Israel.

01:29:12.540 If they're going to bomb and do this stuff, just be a little more honest about it, because

01:29:15.520 they have nothing to hide.

01:29:16.880 There are valid criticisms of Israel.

01:29:19.580 This is not...

01:29:21.240 I'm not a loyalist, right?

01:29:23.340 There are valid criticisms of Israel.

01:29:25.000 There are valid criticisms of America.

01:29:27.020 There are valid criticisms of every nation, every government.

01:29:30.640 Our own government has done some shady fucking shit.

01:29:34.500 And I have been very vocal about it.

01:29:36.320 So anybody that's making any arguments against Israel, please do, as long as they're valid,

01:29:41.360 as long as they're objective, and as long as...

01:29:42.620 Well, Rathbun's got one right now.

01:29:44.380 Go ahead.

01:29:44.940 Well, no, I was just actually the thing I was...

01:29:46.920 I just thought the whole story about the Tom Alexandrovich and his extradition.

01:29:52.420 Wasn't he in Las Vegas for a cybersecurity conference?

01:29:55.860 He was there for a cybersecurity conference, yes.

01:29:57.140 He's like the head of cybersecurity.

01:29:59.060 And he's texting a kid.

01:30:00.560 Yeah, it's just all...

01:30:02.400 It's just really an interesting...

01:30:05.000 That doesn't mean all Jews are bad or child predators.

01:30:08.160 That's what they're going to try to clip it because we talk about this.

01:30:10.420 But I just get frustrated because the media does have a lot of control of the narrative.

01:30:15.000 And when it comes to Israel especially, they're not very critical.

01:30:18.060 And I think that that's done on purpose.

01:30:19.400 And that's why on social media, the propaganda war, Israel's losing so bad.

01:30:23.600 Because people are like, shit.

01:30:25.000 Like, I want to talk about this and I don't have any outlets.

01:30:27.040 So I think that's why the woke right, and that's why I want to kind of get to the woke right.

01:30:29.920 A lot of conservatives, and Rathbun, you go first.

01:30:32.300 What do you see about the infighting between conservatives that are pro-Israel and anti-Israel?

01:30:37.000 What do I see about the conservatives between pro-Israel?

01:30:40.760 Have you seen that?

01:30:42.140 I look at it as a fraction in the ruling class.

01:30:46.460 But you see like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, people that I like, they're getting critiqued.

01:30:51.360 I don't ultimately agree with their politics, but I think that they're right, and I can be critical of them and accept that they're right in the situation when they condemn Israel.

01:31:02.740 But I don't think that ultimately their motives are too good.

01:31:07.440 What do you think, their motives just clicks is what you're trying to say?

01:31:09.320 No, I'm not sure.

01:31:10.820 Because speaking out against Israel does not help your career.

01:31:13.660 It hurts your career in every sense.

01:31:15.740 Because, you know, I think maybe they're, perhaps it's, I don't really indulge in their content, okay?

01:31:26.000 But I would say that I think that it's, there's, they're America first kind of conservatives.

01:31:33.940 Well, the reason why I bring that up is because Misfit is fighting with conservatives all the time.

01:31:37.100 You know, he's really not, now you're more of a progressive or leftist, whatever you want to describe yourself.

01:31:42.020 I'm just saying, usually it's, he's fighting against Jake Shields or some other guy that is a Trump supporter that is anti-Israel.

01:31:49.460 I find it really interesting.

01:31:51.140 Again, I don't side with them, but I think that they're right in that particular instance.

01:31:56.280 Well, isn't that how all politics are?

01:31:57.500 Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

01:31:58.360 Like, you know, really nobody's just far right.

01:32:00.080 Like, we're really more in the middle, and there's obviously some, like, I'm more conservative, but I do think we should have socialized healthcare caps or something to make healthcare more affordable.

01:32:08.320 I think they're imperial neocons, and they like imperialism, and they like to do all these things, but I think they see with Israel, and it's true, Israel is an albatross around our neck.

01:32:19.120 They're a liability.

01:32:20.340 They're a $3 billion money pit every year.

01:32:23.200 That's a small amount.

01:32:24.340 If we talk about the $3 billion, isn't that kind of small potatoes in relation to what we give other countries and stuff?

01:32:29.940 I mean, are they the number one?

01:32:31.720 I mean, I think Jordan and Egypt's number two, but we give them, like, $2 billion, I think.

01:32:35.640 It's like a one-tenth of 1% of the federal.

01:32:39.240 I mean, it is a lot of money, but it is kind of, like, small.

01:32:41.740 It's also, like, 85%.

01:32:43.000 Look, I don't like—

01:32:43.700 It's $3 billion in unconditional aid.

01:32:45.020 I'm just saying, in the past two years, I mean, we've given—

01:32:47.520 No, it's conditional.

01:32:48.100 —pens upon—

01:32:48.800 We've given, I think, $300 over $300 billion on record.

01:32:51.620 Since the genocide started, since post-October 7th, we have—there has been—not 15 hours has gone by without a shipment of weapons from the United States to Israel, and I think that's insane.

01:33:03.800 Good, love that.

01:33:04.180 And that's where we don't agree, obviously.

01:33:05.880 I thought you were anti-war, though.

01:33:07.320 Yeah.

01:33:07.640 I'm not anti-war.

01:33:09.600 I think that war is necessary when it's necessary.

01:33:12.140 I think that if—

01:33:13.360 It's not anti-war.

01:33:13.800 It's pro-genocide.

01:33:13.940 I think that if we were anti-war when Hitler was doing his thing, then Hitler would be fucking speaking German.

01:33:20.440 Well, it's funny that you bring up World War II, because America actually didn't get into that conflict until after Pearl Harbor, and they tried whatever they could to not get involved.

01:33:27.740 That is a very good point, because I'm seeing a lot of isolationists and a lot of, you know, nationalists who are saying, like—or anti-interventionists who are saying, like, oh, we should go back to that mentality.

01:33:40.300 Like, last time America tried that shit, this is the thing.

01:33:43.480 When you are not a force that is sort of—I don't think that we should be totally interventionalists.

01:33:50.220 I think that there's a happy medium between isolationism and interventionism, where you just take only the necessary steps to stop evil that's happening.

01:33:59.720 Because if it's going to affect us, if you're America first, you should be looking at who are our enemies, who are our threats, and how do we stop that threat?

01:34:08.160 And I would make the argument that Hitler was a threat to the Jews, but he was also a threat to America.

01:34:13.500 Yeah, but you're being naive.

01:34:14.840 When you look at America's biggest export basically being bombs or the military-industrial complex, America is only encouraged by more war.

01:34:21.740 And you know that.

01:34:22.000 No, I got you.

01:34:22.580 So that's why we benefit.

01:34:23.540 There's a happy medium between intervention—I don't like the way we do it right now.

01:34:27.320 I'm not saying—I'm not a fucking Bush Republican.

01:34:29.960 But you're saying we're fighting evil, and I think you made the claim that, like, religious ideology drives foreign policy.

01:34:36.980 We're fighting resistance.

01:34:38.060 I think that's a—I don't want to agree with that assessment.

01:34:41.940 I think economic systems drive military and political events.

01:34:44.960 It all stems back to the economy that we have.

01:34:48.500 And, you know, for example, the reason that Israel is allowed to do what it's allowed to do is because the people in power are benefiting from it economically.

01:34:59.140 Why can't I just make your argument?

01:35:00.240 It's imperative of our economy.

01:35:01.820 Why can't I just make your argument?

01:35:04.220 We're just being resistance force.

01:35:05.680 Well, because it's—you're in your feelings.

01:35:08.800 No, but that's what I'm saying.

01:35:10.060 I forgot to bring crayons to the street.

01:35:12.160 You make the argument that if there's a threat, resistance is necessary.

01:35:15.600 Yeah, because, again, Israel, under international law, and according to international institutions which are administering international law, Israel is an occupying force.

01:35:25.880 And you can cope and brood and seethe about it all you want, but that's the truth.

01:35:29.280 Well, there is something to be said, too, is, like, I do think—I disagree with the characterization that American foreign policy is strictly—

01:35:35.680 I mean, not strictly, but largely driven by economic—because you can look at, like, our embargo of South Africa, for example.

01:35:41.780 It would be extremely beneficial for the American elite to have the arrangement that they had in South Africa because of mineral extraction, direct access, and that sort of thing.

01:35:52.080 And then they place an embargo because of ideology, right?

01:35:54.140 It's wrong to—apartheid was morally wrong, so obviously, as a motive.

01:35:58.940 So there's been moments in America—

01:36:00.240 Sure, sure, sure.

01:36:00.760 There's—you know, there's the—I think of it like there's the economic base, and then there's the superstructure of culture, social, political life, and ideas.

01:36:08.280 And the economic base gives life to all society, politics, culture, and influences it greatly.

01:36:17.700 However, there are times when you can see that culture also influences the economic base.

01:36:23.940 I'm just—I think I'm just making a broad thesis here by saying that economic systems, generally speaking, drive foreign policy, drive military and political events.

01:36:32.960 I think you'd have to say that every government has a little religious influence, and every religion has a little political influence.

01:36:40.220 So, you know, there is—

01:36:40.700 Because, like, you look at, like, the global war on terror, for example.

01:36:43.780 Like, I don't think it's a fair characterization people reduce it just down to oil.

01:36:47.340 Like, there's obviously a lot more moving parts.

01:36:49.360 There is obviously sort of a—

01:36:50.280 That was bullshit, the oil.

01:36:51.900 I mean, we had some, but that—

01:36:53.260 Trump said, where's the oil?

01:36:54.500 And it's a very salient question.

01:36:55.720 Where's the weapons of mass destruction?

01:36:56.640 We have more petroleum, oil, and gas in Pennsylvania than they have.

01:37:01.280 Well, let's take Henry Kissinger at his word when he said that to control people, you've got to control their food.

01:37:06.820 And if you want to control countries, you've got to control their oil.

01:37:09.420 And that's—empires do empire shit.

01:37:11.600 Empires plan accordingly.

01:37:12.900 The United States is an empire.

01:37:14.460 It has sought—ever since the 1950s, the State Department, Dwight D. Eisenhower, were salivating over the Arabian Peninsula,

01:37:22.740 which had the largest oil reserves in the entire earth, in the entire world.

01:37:28.600 And it was classified as the greatest material prize in world history.

01:37:32.600 That's from the State Department memo in the 1950s.

01:37:36.040 So, you know, and then policy planners came along after that,

01:37:39.900 and they instituted policies to where they could break up Arab-Indigenous nationalism in that region.

01:37:46.260 And that was all in an effort to control the oil.

01:37:49.160 And we don't even need the oil.

01:37:50.680 We don't use the oil.

01:37:51.860 We just need to control the oil, because if we have their hand on the spigot, then we can control these countries,

01:37:56.840 and we can—it's another lever of geopolitical strategic power.

01:38:01.160 But would you also agree that if there is a perceived threat, then a nation has a duty to, I guess you could say,

01:38:11.600 engage in conflict to prevent that threat from happening?

01:38:15.520 Sure. I mean, absolutely.

01:38:16.760 So the argument that I would make against you is some of the—some, not all—some of the interventionism that we do

01:38:23.400 is just like your argument that you think, like, oh, well, Israel's occupying Hamas, so Hamas is resistance.

01:38:28.060 You can say America is just a resistance force that's fighting another evil force that's going to be a threat to our sovereignty.

01:38:36.060 Where is America being threatened at its contiguous border?

01:38:41.300 Well, let's go with Operation Midnight Hammer, okay?

01:38:43.840 You have Iran. You have the Ayatollah, who's—I would say that it's pretty widely agreed upon that they don't view us very favorably,

01:38:54.120 and they are enriching uranium way past the point of civilian use, and they have these, you know, like these facilities that are, you know, I would say producing—

01:39:03.940 Brother, we're living in a nuclear age, and nuclear energy is just—it can be for civilian use.

01:39:10.080 It doesn't necessarily mean that's for nuclear weapons.

01:39:11.980 But it was at 20 percent or something like that?

01:39:13.600 The only—this is funny that I love that you want to bring up Iran, because there's only one country that is in violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and that's Israel.

01:39:20.740 Israel actually has nuclear weapons.

01:39:21.880 Do you think Iran's a resistance group, or is it a terrorist organization?

01:39:24.620 I would say Iran is a part of the subordinate aspect between the principal contradiction of imperial capitalism versus indigenous nationalism in the region of the Middle East.

01:39:33.780 There is no analog that you can say—

01:39:35.760 Do you have any Muslim—

01:39:36.940 The Iranians are posturing in the Western Hemisphere the way that the United States is posturing—

01:39:41.000 Is there any Islamic group that you think is a terrorist group?

01:39:43.900 I want to say all my Persian friends and Iranian friends are actually pretty laid back.

01:39:47.220 No, this is actually a good question.

01:39:48.920 All right, let's—hold on.

01:39:50.420 Let's go through the list, Andrew.

01:39:52.180 The vibes.

01:39:52.720 Let's—hold on.

01:39:53.440 Let's go through the list.

01:39:54.180 ISIS.

01:39:55.040 Terrorists or resistance?

01:39:55.820 ISIS is a terrorist organization.

01:39:56.940 Okay, cool.

01:39:57.860 Well, we actually—

01:39:58.400 You know we created the Mujahideen.

01:40:00.180 Real quick, yeah.

01:40:00.780 Israel created ISIS.

01:40:01.640 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:40:02.520 There it is.

01:40:03.420 Always blame the truth.

01:40:04.240 No, no, no, but this is something that people don't talk about.

01:40:06.380 Real quick, Rutheran.

01:40:07.200 I want to make this point, though.

01:40:08.300 The Mujahideen that became ISIS, that became the terror organization that we fought in the Middle East,

01:40:13.840 we created—we funded them to fight Russia.

01:40:16.540 So that's when people say it was created by the Jews because there was some Jewish influence to, you know, do that.

01:40:20.960 But I'm saying America did that.

01:40:22.980 We funded it.

01:40:23.520 We created the modern day or the origin of ISIS.

01:40:26.460 Fumbled regime changes are definitely historically accurate, and I think that that would qualify as one of them.

01:40:33.920 Can you imagine if Iran did a regime change against the United States?

01:40:37.860 You know how many successful regime changes there have been?

01:40:42.020 We've done them in Africa.

01:40:43.060 We've done them in the Middle East.

01:40:43.800 Successful to who?

01:40:44.360 Successful to the people in the region.

01:40:46.240 Well, Muammar Gaddafi, actually, his people loved him.

01:40:49.960 They had basically a very successful socialist country, and then when he tried to put his money on the African dinar,

01:40:55.780 you know, his petroleum, oil, and gas money to take it off the petrodollar.

01:40:59.360 Big no-no.

01:41:00.000 They killed him.

01:41:00.880 And that regime change, actually, the quality of life has gotten much worse in Libya, and now they have slaves.

01:41:05.600 And there was a short time ago with Gaddafi, they didn't have slavery.

01:41:09.380 So, I mean, that regime change was worse for the people of Libya, probably better for us.

01:41:13.340 I think there's one theme playing out across the world, and that is when indigenous people living in wherever,

01:41:20.020 when they try to appropriate their land, their resources, and labor for themselves,

01:41:25.060 and it is antithetical to American capital accumulation, then they deserve to be either bombed, starved.

01:41:33.540 The whole array of tools that the United States has at their disposal will be met against these people.

01:41:40.760 And that's what we see play out across the world, and that's a consistent view.

01:41:45.420 What's your argument against Israel having a right, you know, I'm a two-state solution guy.

01:41:51.200 It sounds like you don't even want Israel to have a state.

01:41:54.600 Well, I think, what is Israel?

01:41:57.100 Israel is a state that is predicated on the foundation of establishing Jewish supremacy.

01:42:02.360 So, right there, it's already baked into the equation of the formulation of the state of Israel is an apartheid state.

01:42:09.660 Yeah, but it's not like the Vatican, man, the Vatican, I mean, the Vatican, you know.

01:42:13.520 That's like saying Italy doesn't have a right to exist.

01:42:16.140 I'm just saying, you know, let's be real.

01:42:18.200 Like, I mean, I can see some arguments and criticisms of Israel, very fair.

01:42:21.960 But, like, I think they obviously just have the right to exist, so you don't even think that they deserve, like, a little piece of the plan.

01:42:27.760 I think that there should be one state, and I think that that should be a state where people have—this is crazy, right?

01:42:34.140 We're living in America, but I think that state should have equal rights for all people.

01:42:37.920 That's Israel.

01:42:38.460 That's insane.

01:42:38.960 That's the current state of Israel.

01:42:39.920 No, no, no, that's not, because Israel is an apartheid state, and that's what it's—legally speaking, the ICJ has concluded, it's an apartheid state, it's an instituting apartheid.

01:42:48.160 So it's not equal rights for all.

01:42:50.180 It doesn't make it true.

01:42:51.780 So here's—let's see, the Muslims—

01:42:53.660 I think you could argue America is an apartheid state, you know, a little bit, so—

01:42:57.260 Okay, Mansour Abbas, right?

01:43:00.560 Sunni Muslim, prominent figure, served as minister without portfolio in the 2021 coalition government under the prime minister, Nafali Bennett.

01:43:08.000 There's Muslims—Iman Khatib, Ahmed Tibi, Amin Odi.

01:43:13.620 These are nice little anecdotes you can tell yourself.

01:43:15.620 Hold on, so if it's a Jewish supremacy state, you're talking about the modern nation state, so you would say that they are promoting Jewish supremacy, yet they are putting Muslims in their government.

01:43:25.460 I'm not saying that.

01:43:25.860 That's what they said.

01:43:26.640 They're saying Jews have special rights.

01:43:29.700 They're allowed to have first-rate citizenship.

01:43:32.100 How does a nationalist state or a supremacist state have Muslims working in their government?

01:43:38.100 They're on their freaking Supreme Court.

01:43:40.020 It doesn't vibe with their actions.

01:43:42.220 Their actions are not showing Jewish supremacy.

01:43:43.800 Well, the government's secular, technically, so the government is not religious, so that's why they're okay with it.

01:43:50.300 Yeah, but what I'm saying is the claim is that they're promoting Jewish supremacy.

01:43:56.700 It's a Jewish-scientist minority in a land that is ethnically Muslim and ethnically Palestinian.

01:44:02.840 Are you talking about the religion or the ethnicity?

01:44:05.680 What do you mean?

01:44:06.320 I'm talking about the religion.

01:44:06.900 Are you saying they're promoting Jewish supremacy?

01:44:08.560 I'm saying that, yeah.

01:44:09.400 What kind of Jewish?

01:44:10.540 Because it's a double meaning.

01:44:11.540 Have you ever met a Jewish person?

01:44:12.640 They all think they're very important, right?

01:44:14.180 I mean, I'm just saying.

01:44:15.840 Aren't you Jewish?

01:44:16.640 Yeah, kind of.

01:44:17.360 I'm just saying.

01:44:18.160 You do think a lot of yourself.

01:44:19.280 Exactly, and I'm confident, and so you have to realize that I do believe that, and you might say Jewish supremacy is a negative thing.

01:44:26.740 I think it's a positive thing because I think they are very proud people.

01:44:29.900 They want to have a nation state.

01:44:31.680 It's fine to think that you're proud.

01:44:33.540 Yeah, well, I mean, it's like there's a difference between, like, Jewish pride or national pride.

01:44:38.560 I think that we have that.

01:44:39.560 I'm proud to be an American.

01:44:41.520 I'm proud to be white, even.

01:44:43.160 I mean, I have pride in my ethnicity.

01:44:45.140 I have pride in my country.

01:44:46.720 Nothing wrong with that.

01:44:47.520 I don't think that makes it a supremacist state.

01:44:50.720 I think religious ideologies are not national territory.

01:44:52.820 I was saying it's not a bad thing.

01:44:53.660 I think that Nazi Germany was a supremacist state.

01:44:55.840 They thought that they were.

01:44:56.340 Aryan supremacy.

01:44:57.080 Yeah, they thought that they were better, and there was a specific.

01:44:59.860 Do you think that there were Jews on Hitler's council?

01:45:02.940 No.

01:45:03.740 Like, there was, like, to say supremacy and then have a country that has a very diverse group of people throughout their government, throughout their population, it doesn't jive.

01:45:14.320 Well, actually, you bring up a good point because we talk about World War II a lot.

01:45:17.440 And you hear now this, you know, constantly talk about the Holocaust.

01:45:20.300 And then you have people like even me for being a little critical of Israel.

01:45:23.300 They might, you know, consider me a Nazi, even though I'm not.

01:45:26.060 But a friend of mine, Jake Shields, he has CTE, but they call him a Nazi.

01:45:29.540 I love Jake.

01:45:30.460 But this is where it gets really frustrating for me.

01:45:33.740 Because if you actually look at World War II and you look at the thing called Operation Paperclip, that is where we actually took the top Nazi spies and some of the top Nazi soldiers.

01:45:42.200 And Wernher von Braun was a rocket scientist that used rockets to decimate Poland, was an actual Nazi, card-carrying, worked for Hitler.

01:45:51.420 He came over here and got to start the NASA program.

01:45:53.360 Nobody called him a Nazi.

01:45:54.260 They said, oh, well, you know, we rehabilitated him.

01:45:56.880 And now we live in an area.

01:45:58.420 All is rebranded.

01:45:59.480 I'm saying we rebranded.

01:46:00.400 But now Rathbone is the modern-day Nazi.

01:46:03.220 And that's where I get frustrated because we actually helped the Nazis.

01:46:05.760 But then a guy like this critical of Israel is a Nazi.

01:46:08.740 So that's where it's like we use these WWII, World War II examples.

01:46:12.200 Right.

01:46:12.480 We have a Nazi.

01:46:13.040 It's a convoluted term.

01:46:14.200 It's a convoluted term.

01:46:15.040 It doesn't mean anything.

01:46:15.860 It's vacuous of meaning at this point.

01:46:17.160 There's a Nazi collaborator that's putting the finger on the scale of a lot of the things that happen in this country, George Soros, right?

01:46:24.380 George Soros admitted that he helped the Nazis kill Jews, right?

01:46:28.480 So, you know, there is that.

01:46:31.060 But, again, going back to this talking point of Jewish supremacy, they are really bad at doing – look, they're really bad at genocide.

01:46:39.140 And they're really bad at doing – real quick, the Jews are really powerful and doing really good.

01:46:43.640 They're really –

01:46:44.160 Come on.

01:46:45.140 Let's not act like they're not.

01:46:46.400 There's a disparity in their power dynamic on certain, you know, institutions.

01:46:53.260 Like, oh, they're really heavily into politics.

01:46:56.220 Banking.

01:46:56.920 They're really heavily into banking.

01:46:58.040 They're really heavily into finance.

01:46:58.900 Diamonds.

01:46:59.340 Yeah.

01:46:59.500 Why is that –

01:47:00.480 That's not bad.

01:47:01.380 That's good industries.

01:47:02.180 No, that's smart.

01:47:02.940 Asians are the same way, but nobody's bitching about the Asians.

01:47:06.000 That's the way.

01:47:06.440 Well, China – I would argue that China is a bigger threat than Israel for our way of life.

01:47:10.340 I would make that argument, too, and I think it's a much better argument.

01:47:13.020 But still, I mean, there are, you know, obviously negatives.

01:47:15.700 I think that people are – I think that there's a lot of jealousy and resentment over the success of the Jewish people despite the fact that there has been several extermination events against them historically.

01:47:24.000 And I think that that's where a lot of this leads.

01:47:26.820 Could it be because you – they tried to exterminate you and now you feel it's okay to try to exterminate somebody else?

01:47:31.880 Could that be what's going on?

01:47:32.500 Who tried to exterminate who?

01:47:33.740 I'm saying because the Jews were systematically exterminated by Nazis, maybe they feel like it's okay to do it to somebody else because they were a victim of it.

01:47:42.720 It's kind of like – and I'm not trying to compare it to pedophiles, but a lot of people that are pedophiles were actually sexually abused as a child.

01:47:49.020 So they feel like it's okay because they were victims of it.

01:47:51.320 So now Israel feels less bad because they were victims.

01:47:53.660 So now it's okay to victimize somebody else.

01:47:55.140 Yeah, you did it.

01:47:55.640 Yeah, you did it to me so I can do it to you.

01:47:57.300 I think that argument would be great if they were doing it.

01:47:59.320 But that's the problem.

01:48:00.120 Like I said, there have been more bombs dropped than civilians have been killed.

01:48:04.100 So they're either really shitty at genocide or they're not committing a genocide, right?

01:48:09.120 Like if you use that word, right, John Spencer is a really good person to go to if you really want to understand the actual technical legal definition of the word genocide.

01:48:18.620 And he makes the argument against why Israel is – or makes the argument for why Israel is not committing a genocide.

01:48:24.360 And if you actually read his writings, he's making very valid points.

01:48:27.440 They are not committing a genocide.

01:48:29.720 They are engaging in anti-terrorism.

01:48:32.080 They are in a war.

01:48:32.860 Nobody is saying that Ukrainians are trying to genocide Russians.

01:48:36.420 Nobody is saying that Russians are trying to genocide Ukrainians.

01:48:38.980 Again, that's a different context here.

01:48:40.600 Well, but to your point there, you talk about how they dropped more bombs and people have been killed.

01:48:44.260 You know, that's also a money laundering scheme.

01:48:46.040 It's like when we go to the range and we shoot bullets that we're not actually using it.

01:48:49.080 They're practicing blowing up bombs.

01:48:50.860 They're going to keep using their stockpiles to get more weapons.

01:48:53.120 Also, a lot of those bombs just blow up buildings.

01:48:56.300 Maybe they don't kill a lot of civilians, but they blow up all their infrastructure.

01:49:00.520 Yeah, why are they blowing up the buildings?

01:49:01.160 That's called a genocide.

01:49:02.060 That's part of it.

01:49:03.060 Like you said earlier, where is Hamas' military bases?

01:49:08.320 In those fucking buildings.

01:49:09.580 So what they do is they do a knock.

01:49:11.220 They drop a dud on a building, get everybody the fuck out of there, and then they blow up the building.

01:49:15.940 Again, again, what you don't understand is that Israel has been bombing hospitals in Palestine since the 40s.

01:49:21.680 And Hamas has been hiding weapons in hospitals since the 40s.

01:49:24.340 No, they haven't, because Hamas was created in 1987.

01:49:26.740 Well, sure, fine.

01:49:27.900 No, wait.

01:49:28.620 Yeah, you're right on that.

01:49:29.820 Yeah, I am right.

01:49:30.640 I'm right about it.

01:49:31.300 The Palestinians and Arabs.

01:49:31.760 My bad.

01:49:32.420 Listen.

01:49:32.660 You got me on one point.

01:49:33.900 Israel has been dropping bombs on hospitals since the 1940s.

01:49:40.300 Israel started a war with Lebanon by bombing a Palestinian children's hospital in 1982.

01:49:47.540 That was still five years before Hamas was created.

01:49:51.160 Hamas knows well what Israel is going to do.

01:49:54.280 Why the fuck would they put their military bases in the one place where Israel loves to bomb?

01:50:04.220 You're making very valid arguments for Hamas's strategy while not acknowledging that they are also a terrorist organization.

01:50:12.420 They are literally embedding themselves in with civilians, using them as human shields.

01:50:17.180 They are literally saying, I'm going to dress like a civilian.

01:50:21.340 I'm going to hide my weapons in churches.

01:50:23.140 They don't have uniforms because they don't have clothes to wear.

01:50:26.160 They can't make uniforms?

01:50:27.580 They can make bombs?

01:50:28.180 No, they can't.

01:50:29.100 They can't.

01:50:29.660 They don't have enough clothes because of the illegal blockade on the Gaza Strip.

01:50:33.940 Get the fuck out of here.

01:50:34.980 Yeah, exactly.

01:50:36.280 If you are telling me that Hamas...

01:50:37.660 Studies have been done on this, okay?

01:50:39.160 You're telling me that Hamas can't figure out how to dress the same way?

01:50:42.840 They don't have enough clothes to actually wear and distinguish themselves from civilians.

01:50:49.300 Netanyahu, look right here.

01:50:50.240 Netanyahu, send them all matching uniforms.

01:50:52.320 The only reason that they're dressing that way is because they can't figure out how to dress the same.

01:50:56.920 Well, it's guerrilla warfare.

01:50:58.120 Let's say we don't need proper uniforms.

01:51:00.660 That's a stupid argument.

01:51:02.160 Well, do you have the...

01:51:03.060 Kel and I just texted you something.

01:51:04.260 I don't know if you can pull this up.

01:51:06.040 Give me a second.

01:51:07.140 This is actually a Palestinian in the 1950s.

01:51:09.580 It might take a second.

01:51:10.360 But guys, we have a few minutes left and we're going to definitely give you guys each a closing argument.

01:51:15.140 I want to say thank you guys for watching this.

01:51:17.380 Tim is still sick, but he is on the mend.

01:51:20.060 He is going to be back, so you don't have to look at me and Tate's ugly faces.

01:51:23.520 Well, Tate's handsome.

01:51:24.540 But guys, this has been a spirited debate.

01:51:26.680 Tate, I've learned a little, not a lot, but I've had a fun time.

01:51:31.940 And before we wrap things up, I kind of just want to play this clip to kind of get your opinion of this.

01:51:37.300 So this is a TikTok of...

01:51:38.900 We don't have to watch the whole thing, but I thought this was very interesting.

01:51:42.100 Yeah, he's great.

01:51:42.680 Why won't your organization engage in peace talks with the Israelis?

01:51:51.680 You don't mean exactly peace talks.

01:51:54.540 You mean capitulation, surrendering.

01:51:58.160 Why not just talk?

01:52:00.500 Talk to whom?

01:52:01.960 Talk to the Israeli leaders.

01:52:04.280 That's kind of conversation between the sword and the neck, you mean.

01:52:07.760 Well, if there were no swords and no guns in the room, you could still talk.

01:52:13.840 No, I haven't been...

01:52:15.800 I had never seen any talk between a colonialist case and a national liberation movement.

01:52:22.640 But despite this, why not talk?

01:52:28.060 Talk about what?

01:52:29.920 Talk about the possibility of not fighting.

01:52:35.540 Not fighting for what?

01:52:37.760 Not fighting at all, no matter what for.

01:52:41.960 Yeah, and people usually fight for something and they stop fighting for something.

01:52:45.580 So you can't tell me even why should we speak about what?

01:52:48.980 Or stop fighting.

01:52:49.740 Fight for what?

01:52:50.540 Or talk about stop fighting.

01:52:53.840 Why?

01:52:54.340 Talk to stop fighting to stop the death and the misery, the destruction, the pain.

01:52:59.840 The misery and the destruction and the pain and the death of whom?

01:53:03.500 Of Palestinians, of Israelis, of Arabs.

01:53:06.140 Of the Palestinian people who are uprooted, thrown in the camps, living in starvation, killed for 20 years, and forbidden to use even the name Palestinians.

01:53:17.860 They're better that way than dead, though.

01:53:20.140 Maybe to you, but to us.

01:53:22.060 It's not.

01:53:22.500 So that's a pretty strong statement saying that, you know, they're willing to die for this.

01:53:38.620 And, you know, that's in the 1950s and it's still going on.

01:53:41.940 And I would say that it's even worse now than then.

01:53:44.920 So, I mean, can you be empathetic at all, though, when you see that guy, you know, being occupied by a foreign country?

01:53:51.260 I mean, I guess, can you see his argument?

01:53:52.860 Again, the predication of occupation, which is still debated, but...

01:53:57.620 Let's just go by what he's saying.

01:54:00.360 What he's saying is, there is no point in talking, there is no point in trying to create peace.

01:54:06.620 What we are going to do is we are either going to die or win.

01:54:09.960 And that's the argument that...

01:54:11.580 I think he argued that they know they're going to die.

01:54:13.800 I don't even think he argued that they're going to win.

01:54:14.500 Yeah, well, that's because their faith is what drives a lot of this conflict.

01:54:19.720 Right, they want to die.

01:54:20.580 They want to be martyred, right?

01:54:21.740 They want to be martyred, right?

01:54:23.000 Yeah, they love death.

01:54:24.220 That's the problem with Islam.

01:54:25.020 They don't want to raise families and...

01:54:26.640 That's the problem with Islam.

01:54:27.800 No.

01:54:28.380 Islam is a convert or kill death cult, and they will constantly go, I will sacrifice my own people.

01:54:34.480 I will hide behind them.

01:54:35.340 I will use them as human shields.

01:54:36.560 Yes, they love death.

01:54:36.860 We will die because it's better than letting you win or something.

01:54:41.820 I don't know.

01:54:42.420 Yeah, you don't know.

01:54:43.460 Yeah, no, you know what it is.

01:54:44.860 You don't look like Muhammad to me, but...

01:54:47.220 But I'm saying that guy is the same patriot that you are for America.

01:54:50.200 He's willing to die for his country because he sees somebody come in here.

01:54:52.340 No, that's a false equivalency, right?

01:54:54.400 You are a patriot, and yet you are defending a state that has attacked America in 1967.

01:54:59.540 The U.S.S. Liberty, yeah.

01:55:00.180 Israel attacked the U.S.S.

01:55:01.380 That was an accident.

01:55:02.560 You're talking about the friendly fire.

01:55:03.900 I was wondering when we were going to get to the U.S.S. Liberty, the friendly fire situation,

01:55:08.660 which has been tried, which has been settled on.

01:55:11.280 Which both countries have sort of just been like, yep, we acknowledge what happened.

01:55:15.440 Israel apologized.

01:55:16.560 We paid the money.

01:55:17.540 It's all sorted out.

01:55:19.080 Look, fucking, it's just like the argument against, you know, like Ukraine dropping attackums on a beach in Russia.

01:55:30.780 Okay?

01:55:31.460 Now, did Ukraine intentionally try to kill civilians on a beach in Russia?

01:55:35.340 That was actually NATO.

01:55:36.660 Right?

01:55:37.180 What is it?

01:55:37.840 That was actually NATO.

01:55:39.100 So NATO.

01:55:39.660 So NATO did it.

01:55:40.520 Okay.

01:55:40.940 Well, either way, when you're saying, okay, they can make a mistake.

01:55:45.080 We don't view it as genocide.

01:55:46.080 We don't hyperfixate on it.

01:55:47.100 We don't call it the worst atrocity that's ever happened in this war.

01:55:50.200 And the reason you don't do that is because Russia's the one who invaded Ukraine.

01:55:54.220 Right?

01:55:54.660 And they are fighting however they feel necessary, and the mistakes are going to be made.

01:55:58.700 So if you're arguing that there's never a mistake in a war and that wasn't a mistake on the U.S.S. Liberty, it was.

01:56:04.680 They agreed to it.

01:56:05.760 They acknowledged it.

01:56:07.080 They apologized for it.

01:56:09.180 I don't understand what the fucking hype is.

01:56:10.580 Look, they said they were sorry, guys.

01:56:13.040 Yeah, they did.

01:56:13.580 Yeah, this guy is extremely based, and he's saying there is no point in talking at this point because I want to remind you all that the Balfour Declaration was made in 1917,

01:56:24.200 and when it got—when Palestinians got wind of what was—they were going to be ethnically cleansed by the British Empire at the behest of the Zionist movement,

01:56:35.420 they did everything that they possibly could to plead to the British Empire to safeguard their rights as humans, as indigenous people, living on that land.

01:56:48.040 They formed seven separate Arab congresses in the interwar period between 1917 to 1939, and every time the British Empire would not lend their ear,

01:57:00.800 they wouldn't even make it—they wouldn't even allow them counsel.

01:57:08.180 In fact, they said that in order for us to listen to you, Palestinians, you must accept that we are coming in and taking your land,

01:57:16.160 and the very thing that they were vying for, which is just their human rights, they had to deny just to get the ear of the king, so to speak.

01:57:24.660 So it's true.

01:57:26.020 You know, Canophony, I think is how you say his name, they're at that point, you know, this has been going on for decades and decades and decades.

01:57:32.860 They're done talking.

01:57:33.980 They realize that Israel does not want to talk.

01:57:36.360 It's a settler colony that's hell-bent on incremental expansionism, and so—

01:57:44.160 What do you expect these people to do?

01:57:46.420 Where are they expanding?

01:57:47.200 Do you want them to—

01:57:48.040 How about let's kind of start with a closing argument?

01:57:50.960 Yeah.

01:57:52.480 Should you start it?

01:57:53.680 Should he end it?

01:57:54.580 I guess we'll let you end it.

01:57:56.780 Okay.

01:57:57.040 Actually, you go first.

01:57:58.900 All right, my quick response is anybody that claims that Israel's an expansionist society is retarded.

01:58:04.500 It hasn't expanded.

01:58:05.260 Oh, come on!

01:58:06.580 It's not an expansionist society.

01:58:08.200 It's not.

01:58:08.700 It's a very—

01:58:09.300 Well, they want more room, right?

01:58:10.740 I mean, they're—

01:58:11.660 I mean, but in their own land that they already have, they don't want to expand.

01:58:14.260 I agree with you that they deserve, you know, a piece of pie.

01:58:16.420 Like, they're not talking about—I mean, yeah, there's a few Jews that are talking about greater Israel, but nobody—

01:58:21.060 There's Benjamin Netanyahu, like, their most powerful Jews.

01:58:24.520 But I'm saying, like—

01:58:25.440 There's a little smoot rich.

01:58:26.200 I mean, there's not—

01:58:27.140 It's not a popular opinion that the nation's borders should be expanded.

01:58:31.240 It's not anything that they try to do.

01:58:32.240 Oh, it absolutely is.

01:58:33.480 But you were speaking earlier about the—sorry to go through the theology again, but like the old covenant in Genesis where he promises the land from the great river of Egypt to, what, the Euphrates?

01:58:42.000 Sure, yeah, the Euphrates.

01:58:43.260 So there is an expansionist built into the—

01:58:45.700 The ideology, yeah.

01:58:46.900 And, I mean, look, I would make the argument that if they wanted to, they would kind of have a claim to it.

01:58:53.520 And every argument that's been made by Andrew can be pushed—can be turned back on him by saying that if you actually go the theological argument, then they are the original inhabitants, they are the indigenous people, and they are being occupied.

01:59:07.080 Therefore, everything they are doing is resistance against the Palestinians.

01:59:10.340 And you can literally tie their lineage all the way back way before 1948, way before 1967, way before 1920, way before 1900s, way before any of this conflict even started in the modern nation state.

01:59:23.180 Because the Miracle Book said so.

01:59:25.080 But, yeah, but you know what? There's a lot of fucking people that believe in that Miracle Book.

01:59:28.700 My daddy said so.

01:59:30.120 Well, you know the Roman Empire, you know they've been around for a long time.

01:59:34.000 3,000 years ago, yes.

01:59:36.100 Yeah, so why is that any less valid than your argument?

01:59:39.960 Well, we don't have any—

01:59:41.280 Well, I was just citing that as, like, the pushback on the idea that they're not expansionists.

01:59:46.700 But, I mean, yeah, but has there been any legitimate, like, proposals to expand Israel over the past 80 years, however long it's been?

01:59:56.840 I think they've taken Syria land in the last couple of years.

01:59:59.360 Okay, so by how much, you know—

02:00:01.600 Gaza's probably on the menu.

02:00:02.020 I don't think they're going to win this one. I think they are incrementally trying to get bigger.

02:00:05.120 I would say the Muslim countries that have expanded over the past 80 years has been exponentially greater than Israel's expansion, even if—

02:00:14.380 The biggest one was the Ottoman Empire, and they got chopped down to size.

02:00:17.120 So if anything, like, the Muslim world has—and partially, actually mostly their own fault—has retracted in power globally.

02:00:24.400 Iran's really the—and the Gulf states, obviously.

02:00:27.000 But what I'm saying is, like, the Ottoman Empire was the big player, and then they've been chopped down to size.

02:00:31.720 Now there's not really a local power besides Iran.

02:00:34.920 That's a fair point.

02:00:36.140 All right, Rathbone, you've got about two or three minutes.

02:00:39.340 My position has not changed. It's very simple.

02:00:42.720 Israel is an apartheid state committing a genocide.

02:00:46.680 I think genocides are bad. I know that's my hot take.

02:00:49.260 It's very edgy.

02:00:51.060 But I don't think that countries that commit genocide and ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity deserve to have their state.

02:01:02.100 I think they should have their statehood revoked, according to Article 5 of the UN Charter.

02:01:06.840 That should be what happens.

02:01:08.140 I believe that the two-state solution is a euphemism for Israeli incremental expansionism.

02:01:14.680 The same thing goes for the peace process and the path to peace, which has been the predominant narrative, according to the United States and Israelis.

02:01:25.900 And I believe in one state named Palestine that has equal rights for all, regardless of religion, creed, ethnicity, just like supposedly how we believe the United States should be.

02:01:43.280 I don't believe that there should be this weird inbred death cult of people that claim that they are better than other ethnic or social groups based on their religious ideology.

02:01:59.280 The way you just ended that described Hamas.

02:02:07.540 And so you think—here's my closing argument.

02:02:11.140 All right.

02:02:11.380 So based on your own logic, okay, Palestine shouldn't exist.

02:02:16.380 Because you just said that any state that commits crimes against humanity should not exist.

02:02:20.400 And October 7th was a crime against humanity.

02:02:23.980 My opponent here wasn't even able to acknowledge the fact that Hamas is a terrorist organization.

02:02:30.820 Anyone that can't do that shouldn't be taken seriously, right?

02:02:33.320 They're designated a terrorist organization.

02:02:34.860 But again, if you just go back to one day where a group of people filmed themselves committing the worst atrocities we have seen since the fucking Holocaust,

02:02:43.760 then you lose this debate on its face just from that one point.

02:02:47.900 But you've also lost the debate on many other points, right?

02:02:49.960 You said that if genocide is bad—or you say genocide is bad, then you ignore the fact that the people that are living in the region that you think should be a full state

02:03:00.600 have fired thousands and thousands of rockets into another state trying to kill people based off of their ethnicity,

02:03:07.580 based off of their religion, based off of the fact that they are Israeli.

02:03:11.540 That is attempted genocide.

02:03:13.820 And just because they're bad at it doesn't mean that they are not doing it, okay?

02:03:18.680 There is a charge against people called attempted murder and murder, okay?

02:03:24.820 So they are attempting a genocide over and over and over again.

02:03:28.640 And again, if you say people that do that shouldn't exist, then by your own logic, they shouldn't exist.

02:03:36.320 And finally, you say that you want a place called Palestine that has equal rights.

02:03:40.960 There is a place called Palestine right now, and in that place, they don't have equal rights.

02:03:47.380 They will throw you off of a fucking rooftop if one is left, and that's if you're gay,

02:03:52.920 if you're a woman that has a fifth-grade reading level or higher,

02:03:56.920 if you are a Christian, if you are a Jew, if you are anything other than a Sharia-practicing Muslim.

02:04:03.920 So, you know, every argument that you've made in this entire debate can be leveled right against the people that you're defending.

02:04:12.240 So, yeah, on that note, I guess thanks for coming, but here's your L.

02:04:17.720 Wow.

02:04:18.760 All right, guys, before we go, thank you guys for watching.

02:04:21.460 We don't do super chats on this show.

02:04:24.340 Maybe we should next time or something.

02:04:25.620 But before we go, shout out everybody, shout out your socials.

02:04:28.560 Rathbone, you go first.

02:04:29.400 Sure.

02:04:30.560 My YouTube page is at Rathbone with an extra E, and yeah, follow me there.

02:04:37.560 Tate?

02:04:38.140 Yeah, at Real Tate Brown everywhere.

02:04:39.880 I know the theology debate got shortened pretty quickly, but if you want to go at it,

02:04:44.660 you can go pretty autistic on Twitter, so follow me there.

02:04:47.720 And then everybody needs to go follow Kellen, the money man over there.

02:04:50.560 Good luck, money man.

02:04:51.460 Yeah, follow me at Kellen PDL.

02:04:54.060 I'm basically just on X.

02:04:55.200 Follow me there.

02:04:55.740 Everybody go follow Kellen.

02:04:56.880 And then Misfit.

02:04:57.780 Yeah, the Misfit Patriot on Twitter and Instagram, and you can follow me on TMP Uncensored on Rumble.

02:05:04.360 And I just want to say thank you to both of you guys.

02:05:06.080 You guys handled that well, very professional.

02:05:08.000 Actually, I'm a little mad that there weren't more drama, more sparks lying.

02:05:11.720 You know, it was a little too respectful, but at the end of the day, you guys both did a great job.

02:05:15.180 And listen, this is a subject that is very challenging to talk about,

02:05:18.300 so I appreciate these guys coming here and being open and candid about subjects that we should talk about more.

02:05:23.040 So thank you guys for watching.

02:05:24.260 Thanks, Kevin.

02:05:27.780 Thanks, Kevin.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - August 29, 2025

Israel VS Palestine DEBATE, Misfit Patriot VS Rathbone w⧸ Alex Stein

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