The Culture War - Tim Pool - Leftist Attack on SCOTUS Fails, Antifa Crackdown Begins ft. Richie McGinnis

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00:00:58.100 I think it'll be interesting, the combination of the National Guard, ICE, and Trump moving,

00:01:03.440 you know, those various federal forces throughout the country.

00:01:07.220 It's a question of, you know, what bad thing could happen when that's happening on such a broad scale?

00:01:13.440 And then how is that going to set off, you know, potentially another George Floyd type situation

00:01:18.880 or the situation with Jacob Blake and Kenosha?

00:01:22.120 So it really just takes one spark to then devolve things into chaos.

00:01:26.700 Hey guys, Tate Brown here holding it down for Tim Pool.

00:01:29.380 Today's interview, we got Richie McGinnis.

00:01:31.460 He is an expert on all things leftist violence.

00:01:33.760 So we had to bring him in to discuss Antifa, the situation in Portland,

00:01:37.080 how Antifa is operating, where their money is coming from,

00:01:39.460 how the feds could better crack down on them.

00:01:41.500 It's a great interview.

00:01:42.220 Please enjoy.

00:01:43.100 So you want to give people a quick introduction, who you are, what you do.

00:01:46.040 I'm Richie McGinnis.

00:01:47.420 I, well, I worked in DC media for the last decade.

00:01:51.220 I went from MSNBC to Mark Levin to running the video at Daily Caller.

00:01:56.220 And now I wrote the book over my shoulder here, right?

00:01:59.800 I had all the civil unrest in 2020, the so-called summer of love, and then on into 2021.

00:02:06.220 And now I run the publishing company I started for that book

00:02:10.440 because every publisher was telling me Trump wasn't going to make it through the primary.

00:02:13.780 That's called Pigeon Press.

00:02:15.340 And I work at a couple different websites.

00:02:17.560 I've got about four jobs right now.

00:02:19.160 Dude, that's base.

00:02:20.220 I love it.

00:02:20.700 I love it.

00:02:21.480 Dude, well, unfortunately, you know leftists very well.

00:02:23.940 I was, you know, opened up the show with the story out of DC.

00:02:27.660 He, this church was targeted specifically because of Supreme Court justices that were scheduled

00:02:32.080 to attend a mass on Sunday.

00:02:33.680 And he had like 200 explosive devices on him.

00:02:37.200 Obviously, it was foiled, thankfully.

00:02:39.260 But the environment in the country is getting scary.

00:02:43.600 It really feels like there's a large proportion of the country with nothing to lose that are

00:02:48.500 ready to snap at any moment.

00:02:50.080 Can you maybe dive a little deeper into the psychology behind these sorts of people?

00:02:53.720 Because, I mean, obviously, you're quite familiar with them.

00:02:56.600 Yeah, I think it's basically, you know, a similar mirror image of what we saw in 2020.

00:03:02.040 And that obviously that was during a campaign season.

00:03:04.900 So it's a little bit different.

00:03:06.000 And the pandemic, I think, is obviously a major additional question mark, which, you know,

00:03:12.080 obviously hyper generated everybody's anger.

00:03:15.900 And, you know, when they finally got in the streets, they had all this pent up frustration.

00:03:19.120 But the parallels that I see are, number one, the galvanizing factor out there isn't like

00:03:25.060 one specific ideology.

00:03:26.720 It's never Trumpism. 0.92

00:03:28.400 It's we all hate Trump and all of his stormtroopers.

00:03:31.120 And so what you see in Portland or in various cities around the country, obviously Chicago

00:03:35.460 right now, is the same thing we saw in front of the Portland courthouse in 2020, which is

00:03:40.060 Trump's not going to bring his stormtroopers in here.

00:03:42.360 We're not going to cooperate with the DHS who are trying to protect this federal building.

00:03:46.300 And that's what galvanizes everybody to come to the streets.

00:03:49.900 Now, what I'll say is different this time around is, number one, the fact that we've

00:03:54.520 been there before.

00:03:55.520 So on both sides of the equation, both the reporters, the people, the media who's showing

00:04:00.500 people what's going on there, as well as the people out on the streets are much more well

00:04:04.240 versed of where the cameras are and who's filming and specifically how the media landscapes

00:04:10.260 function right now.

00:04:11.600 And so they're always looking for adversarial media.

00:04:13.580 I think we would dress like them and, you know, kind of slide under the radar for most

00:04:17.760 of that summer.

00:04:18.900 And that's not the case anymore.

00:04:20.700 So you see a lot more open confrontations between media and the people out on the streets,

00:04:26.700 specifically the ones who are the biggest agitators.

00:04:29.860 What's so this this attack?

00:04:32.300 He had this notebook on him, I think, like basically his manifesto.

00:04:35.540 And he specifically cited ICE.

00:04:37.440 And then we're seeing in Portland, ICE is on the receiving end of all the vitriol.

00:04:41.400 And then obviously this is nested within the never Trumpism.

00:04:44.940 What specifically do you think it is about ICE that really sets these people off?

00:04:50.500 Well, immigration has been an issue that has been barely touched by either party for 40

00:04:55.960 years.

00:04:56.660 Yeah.

00:04:56.760 And so really, it's a powder keg that's built up over decades, because, you know, if you

00:05:00.940 look at Barack Obama, one famous man on the street we did when we were at the caller was

00:05:04.740 we would read Barack Obama's immigration quotes and say, what would you think, you know, that

00:05:09.420 the president said this?

00:05:10.560 They say, Trump this, Trump that.

00:05:11.780 We revealed to them, oh, it was Barack Obama.

00:05:14.280 So these open border policies have been pursued for, you know, across Republican and Democratic

00:05:19.380 administrations for 40 years.

00:05:21.960 And this election, 2024, was immigration was probably the highest on the list that it's

00:05:27.360 ever been in American history.

00:05:29.020 And that's I was at the border in March of 2021, sounding the alarm because every single

00:05:34.200 migrant who came over the border illegally in the United States, I interviewed them as

00:05:39.420 they took their first steps into the country and prepared to surrender themselves to Border

00:05:43.420 Patrol on purpose, because they said explicitly every single one, hundreds, we came because

00:05:47.900 Joe Biden is president now and we know we can come in and we know we're going to get,

00:05:50.800 you know, to go a flight to go see our families.

00:05:53.740 And so the fact of the matter is this this toothpaste has come out of the tube.

00:05:57.640 And the question now is, how do we fix that?

00:06:00.700 Well, obviously, the left isn't willing to give an inch on this.

00:06:05.080 I mean, you see that with the health care bill right now.

00:06:06.880 And so the galvanizing factor now isn't necessarily, you know, there's different manifestations of

00:06:13.180 how Trump actually impacts these various cities.

00:06:15.240 So it's not the DHS troops in front of the federal courthouse.

00:06:17.580 It's ice and it's a far more national issue because obviously ice is operating in all these

00:06:22.840 different cities and you have the sanctuary policies.

00:06:24.880 So in that respect, I think it's actually a much broader and potentially more dangerous

00:06:31.180 issue than it was in 2020 when, you know, you only had these hotbeds of Seattle or Portland

00:06:36.600 or D.C. or New York where the civil unrest was popping off.

00:06:41.200 Obviously, Kenosha being another good example.

00:06:43.260 The National Guard was there, but they didn't end up actually doing anything to keep the

00:06:47.240 businesses from burning.

00:06:48.240 And obviously, from what happened with the shooting to take place, it was a complete power

00:06:52.440 vacuum.

00:06:53.100 So I think it'll be interesting, the combination of the National Guard, ICE and Trump moving,

00:06:58.640 you know, those various federal forces throughout the country.

00:07:02.420 It's a question of, you know, what bad thing could happen when that's happening on such a broad

00:07:08.280 scale?

00:07:08.780 And then how is that going to set off, you know, potentially another George Floyd type

00:07:13.560 situation or the situation with Jacob Blake and Kenosha?

00:07:17.300 So it really just takes one spark to then devolve things into chaos.

00:07:22.000 Yeah.

00:07:22.760 Well, the Portland situation is specifically interesting to me because that's where you seem to see

00:07:26.720 the most pressure put on ice where you have like the most extended protests, like they

00:07:33.040 go all night, these sorts of things.

00:07:34.220 And Portland is like the whitest city in America.

00:07:37.200 And so part of me wonders if the psychology, like kind of underlying this is really self-hatred. 0.92

00:07:42.560 They hate, they hate, they hate being white. 0.99

00:07:45.620 They hate America. 1.00

00:07:47.020 And ICE is really the last thing standing between them and just demographically replacing themselves

00:07:51.980 because ICE is seeking to slow that down and potentially reverse it.

00:07:56.000 And so for me, I think the reason Portland specifically is where you're seeing the most vitriol is just 0.97

00:08:00.480 because of these self-hating white people.

00:08:02.540 Well, it's funny you say that because I've dedicated a number of pages to that in my book 0.95

00:08:08.040 where in the Portland chapter, because Portland, yeah, it's number one, it's below 5% black.

00:08:13.240 And even today and historically all the way through the 1970s, there were laws that prohibited

00:08:19.280 blacks from attaining property within Portland city limits. 0.64

00:08:22.860 And so this, and actually it was a stronghold, you know, pre-World War II, pre-World War I, it was a stronghold for the KKK.

00:08:30.440 And there were a number of anti-Chinese riots that took place where, you know, fires were set and burned down Chinatown in Portland.

00:08:39.020 So this is something that I definitely touched on because when you're out there, it's like predominantly white.

00:08:46.880 So it was even stranger in 2020 when it was a Black Lives Matter demonstration and you had Philip, I forget his last name.

00:08:55.020 He's a, he's a tall black dude who, who was a conservative activist at the time.

00:09:00.600 And he's standing in front of the fence saying, don't smash into this fence.

00:09:03.620 You know, the cops are just going to come out.

00:09:04.760 It's going to make the cause worse.

00:09:06.780 So you're going to make us look bad.

00:09:08.680 And they're all yelling at him, a bunch of white people telling him to get out of the way and let them, you know, basically agitate the police.

00:09:14.760 So Portland is definitely has done a 180 as far as their perspective on race relations and their responsibility to go out there.

00:09:24.520 And I guess creating chaos somehow in their minds solves this situation.

00:09:28.700 I mean, whether it's ICE or DHS or Portland PD, my opinion was always the fact that, you know, the more that you beat up on conservative commentators who might be out there, the more that you agitate police, that the worse that makes your cause look, the best thing you can do is go out there and actually be peaceful.

00:09:46.460 So what do you think, what do you think Antifa's goals are at this point?

00:09:49.440 Because obviously they can see the hammer coming down, right?

00:09:51.940 This is the first time, at least since Antifa's really emerged in the 21st century and in large part, that it seems like the feds are really just intent on destroying them.

00:10:00.860 What do you think their strategy is now?

00:10:02.380 What do you think their goals are?

00:10:04.100 Well, you know, the way that Antifa is built is actually, for lack of a better comparison, I studied Arabic and lived in the Middle East.

00:10:11.800 And I've studied the Muslim Brotherhood extensively.

00:10:14.600 And ultimately, it's a decentralized group of cells who operate independently of any kind of central hierarchy.

00:10:21.880 And the fact of the matter is, when you're out on the streets, it's very rare that you say, you'll see an Antifa flag, you'll see a patch.

00:10:28.060 But if you go up to somebody and say, hey, yo, are you Antifa?

00:10:30.900 It's a lot different than if you go up to a Proud Boy and say, hey, are you a Proud Boy?

00:10:34.060 There literally says Proud Boy on their shirt.

00:10:36.060 So it's intentionally anonymous.

00:10:38.760 A lot of the conversations about strategies and whatnot take place through encrypted apps.

00:10:45.080 In 2020, I was in a lot of those, infiltrated a lot of those groups.

00:10:48.480 And that's where they're really, you know, planning the most extreme measures like building Molotov cocktails.

00:10:53.780 And, you know, they'll do it also through meet and greets, you know, at their safe houses, which they have throughout the city.

00:11:00.860 And so if they do operate similar to the way that a terrorist cell would operate, with that being said,

00:11:06.820 it's almost impossible to say all these people are Antifa because ultimately there's a group, a number of groups of people out there.

00:11:14.660 They're like the first timers who come out there and want to test it out.

00:11:17.920 They usually most of them will leave when the violence starts to happen.

00:11:21.460 Then there's like the hardcore young people who are new to the game, but they they can be very dangerous because, you know, they have a lot of energy.

00:11:28.860 They're kind of ignorant to how these things can devolve into chaos and get really dangerous.

00:11:33.860 And and then there are like the, you know, salty locals who have been out there since 2020 and they come out and you see the same people every night. 0.80

00:11:40.580 And so between those three groups, there are a certain number who are affiliated and or communicating with Antifa.

00:11:47.460 But just because they're wearing all black, you know, it doesn't mean that they're necessarily explicitly like, oh, yeah, let's go out and firebomb this place. 0.55

00:11:53.540 I mean, that's what seems to make it tricky. Obviously, Trump declared them to be a terrorist, you know, cell, but it was domestic.

00:12:00.460 So there's not really any like legal. Nothing changes legally unless he were to declare them like a foreign terrorist organization.

00:12:06.700 Tim's made the point that they are because Antifa does operate like in Paris and Berlin and et cetera, et cetera.

00:12:11.900 But specifically in the United States, like you're saying, it gets a bit muddied who's in, who's out.

00:12:16.240 I mean, some of these clubs like the John Brown Gun Club, maybe do you start there because that seems to be a bit more formal.

00:12:21.720 Yeah, we saw the John Brown Gun Club. That's a tongue twister outside of doing security in Seattle at the Chaz.

00:12:31.580 So if you guys remember, Chaz was a six block area that the Seattle police chief and mayor, Mayor Durkin and Carmen Best was the police chief, capitulated a six block area to the protesters.

00:12:42.980 And what's the first thing they did? Set up borders with checkpoints and put armed guards at those borders.

00:12:49.040 And so we had a couple of encounters with members of the John Brown Gun Club and right at my alma mater in D.C.

00:12:55.460 I mean, D.C. of all places for a gun club. Yeah.

00:12:58.440 But Georgetown in western northwest D.C., there was a flyer for the John Brown John Brown Gun Club in Red Square, which is one of the main squares in Georgetown.

00:13:09.380 And it was soliciting applications. I don't I mean, it takes like a year to get a concealed carry permit in D.C.

00:13:15.140 So I don't know exactly how that functions. But the fact of the matter is those groups should be examined.

00:13:20.500 And this is the same as the funding that comes from the protests. Who's who's paying for the signs?

00:13:25.840 Who's paying to transport these people in and out? Well, the answer is the names are constantly changing by design.

00:13:31.800 So the open if you follow like George Soros's Open Society Foundation, you'll see they give to well, in this election cycle, it might be called indivisible.

00:13:39.800 And in the next one, it'll be called something different. So they'll fund the side of the transportation, the signage.

00:13:46.080 They'll print all that stuff out. And then you have another level of agitators who are specifically, you know, organizing themselves in much seedier, more shadowy realms, not not through the nonprofits.

00:14:00.240 But they capitalize on that protest as a power vacuum. So it is it's it's complicated by design.

00:14:07.500 And that's the that's kind of the scary part. But ultimately, I think if you're investigating it, you do two things.

00:14:13.000 You follow the actual people who are perpetrating violence in the street.

00:14:18.040 And, you know, if you arrest them, you know, you investigate them, you find who they were communicating with.

00:14:23.220 And then on the other side, you follow the money because the money is where these protests are actually being sprung up all the social media arms.

00:14:31.280 And, you know, that takes a lot of resources and people to to get these protests to actually take place, whether it's the no kings, whether it's the anti Tesla stuff.

00:14:40.660 And all of this stuff is funded by groups like indivisible. And it's it's it's like a web of various nonprofits.

00:14:48.780 And that's the same way that they do it in the Middle East, by the way.

00:14:52.340 Dude, I mean, that it's that and you see like in Portland. I mean, I keep going back to Portland.

00:14:56.440 That's just where a lot of the content is right now, where the Portland police just kind of stand down.

00:15:01.600 I think that'd be the most gratuitous explanation of what's going on.

00:15:04.660 The Portland police were certainly less confrontational than definitely in 2020.

00:15:08.740 And from what I can gather, definitely right now than any of the federal troops who come in.

00:15:14.640 So at the time, it was DHS surrounding the federal courthouse.

00:15:17.760 And, you know, Portland also the Portland PD.

00:15:20.320 Yeah. Also, it's kind of like darned if you do, darned if you don't, because the policies that are surrounding them as a local police department are very, very strict.

00:15:31.580 And, you know, the last thing that they want is another BLM situation where some somebody gets violent and then, you know, they get hurt and things, everything gets worse.

00:15:41.880 So in a lot of ways, they're handcuffed with what kind of nonlethals they can use. 1.00

00:15:45.800 And you've seen around the ICE facility, that's definitely not the case.

00:15:50.320 I mean, what does this say about the United States, the environment we're in?

00:15:55.000 I mean, obviously here at TimCast, civil war predictions are quite rife.

00:15:58.920 That's kind of how it goes.

00:16:00.620 Yeah.

00:16:00.920 I mean, yeah, I don't know if I'm – I'm closer to that position than I've ever been because I'm seeing a vast chunk of the country that's just egging on political violence.

00:16:09.700 They love seeing what happened to Charlie Kirk.

00:16:11.580 I mean, they would give this like half-hearted condemnation, but ultimately they were like, well, you're still a fascist at the end of the day.

00:16:16.500 And I'm like, how do I share a country with these people ultimately?

00:16:20.520 I mean, I can't.

00:16:22.020 I can't live like this.

00:16:23.940 Yeah.

00:16:24.460 It's crazy because I was bumping between, you know, the Proud Boys during all the stuff, the Steel stuff, and then the counter protesters who were in D.C.

00:16:32.260 And it really is – it's like two completely different worlds.

00:16:35.860 Yeah.

00:16:36.260 The fact of the matter is is that right now the way that all the algorithms are set up on Twitter, whatever it is, YouTube, Instagram, Meta, whatever you want to call it, they direct you towards two different – one of two echo chambers if you're looking at political content.

00:16:53.400 And when it comes to these kinds of protests and stuff, and this has been the case in 2020 as well as now, if you say Antifa terrorist does X, you're going to get more retweets than if you say a guy wearing all black did this because you don't know what his background is.

00:17:12.040 And look, I get it, but it does create a situation.

00:17:16.420 And then the other side is taking that same clip and, you know, cutting it up, taking it out of context, just that one part where the cop pepper sprays whoever.

00:17:24.940 And then they say, look at the police brutality.

00:17:26.540 So you have the exact same clip that's being viewed completely differently by the two different sides of the country.

00:17:31.860 And unfortunately, with social media, people aren't willing to, like, kind of look and get the bigger picture.

00:17:36.080 If you look at Jacob Blake, the shooting that kicked off, the police-involved shooting that kicked off all of the riots in Kenosha, he was armed with a knife.

00:17:44.440 And the video that went across social media caused the NBA to cancel games, you know, you have the entire media saying that he was shot in front of his kids.

00:17:51.940 Kamala Harris said that.

00:17:54.020 Joe Biden said that.

00:17:55.040 And the fact of the matter is, the kids that he was shot in front of were his kids.

00:18:01.060 And the baby mama had, there was a warrant out for his arrest for domestic abuse of her.

00:18:05.260 And she had called the police saying, I'm worried for my safety.

00:18:07.460 He's back.

00:18:08.440 And so they came out because he had a warrant for his arrest.

00:18:11.100 And those kids, you know, were the kids also of the woman that he had battered.

00:18:15.820 So he was trying to, the video shows him get tased as he's trying to get into the car.

00:18:20.820 And it didn't show the fact that he was armed with a knife.

00:18:23.140 And then he was also tased previously to that.

00:18:26.720 And the police had done everything they could to non-lethally subdue him.

00:18:30.340 And he was effectively potentially entering that vehicle to, you know, kidnap the kids.

00:18:35.100 So that, that context is important and that's not what we're getting still to this day.

00:18:42.140 And that's why I appreciate, you know, Tim Kast and going on there because you can talk about these things at greater length than just whatever's on your Twitter timeline.

00:18:50.080 Yeah.

00:18:50.620 I mean, yeah, I agree.

00:18:51.920 Like the echo chambers is a problem.

00:18:53.800 I mean, part of it though, is I think it's just exploiting very real divisions that are kind of irreconcilable to a large degree.

00:19:01.200 Cause I'm like, I mean, I, I do agree.

00:19:04.340 Yeah.

00:19:04.580 The echo chambers thing is an issue, but when I see people that believe that having a position on abortion, like Charlie Kirk's warrants death.

00:19:12.260 I mean, I don't know if that's, if that's created by social media or if that's a division that already exists, that's just exploited by, by social media.

00:19:19.380 Yeah.

00:19:20.020 Well, I don't think it's necessarily, well, it's created by social media in, I think a couple of different ways.

00:19:25.020 Number one, like the content that people are actually viewing, but number two, the fact that social media makes you so hyper aware of all the things that you don't have.

00:19:32.540 And I think if you're constantly jumping into the lives, by the way, behind filters and behind, you know, set up shoots, even people who rent, you know, Porsches to make themselves look richer.

00:19:43.440 The image that you're seeing on social media is telling you, oh, the grass is greener over there, there, and that didn't exist in the past.

00:19:50.140 So I think young people entering the job market, I entered, I graduated high school in 2008.

00:19:55.720 And so, you know, it's a similar feeling, but it's, it's supercharged by the fact that we, we were using, you know, AOL instant messenger back then and like Blackberries.

00:20:05.560 So it's, it's to a certain extent, there's a spiritual sickness that pervades across all of these dissident and extremist groups.

00:20:16.780 And it causes them to branch out into their, their tribe, their digital media tribe, and that's their community now.

00:20:26.400 So if you have all our local newspapers are dried up, you know, people aren't going to church.

00:20:30.540 They don't have that aspect of community, uh, less people are doing sports and living in small towns.

00:20:35.780 And so, you know, when we, whereas we growing up went outside to, you know, play with our buddies and ride on bikes for a couple hours.

00:20:43.600 Like now they're sitting and playing video games, shooting people.

00:20:47.200 I played Halo, but it was, you know, it wasn't everything that we did.

00:20:51.680 Um, it just was, and, and you weren't, um, integrated with six different devices, uh, at the same time.

00:20:58.900 So it's, I don't know where it goes from here because honestly it only seems to be getting worse and Trump still has two and a half more years.

00:21:06.740 So yeah.

00:21:07.360 And even like, yeah, you can, you can, you can stop these things.

00:21:11.660 Three years in a month, a couple of months.

00:21:13.200 Sorry.

00:21:13.700 Right.

00:21:14.060 Yeah.

00:21:14.240 I was checking my math.

00:21:15.100 Yeah.

00:21:16.080 Well, it's like, even, even at the institutional level, like, okay, yeah, there's things we can mitigate as far as like Antifa and these sorts of things.

00:21:21.340 But the, the issue you're addressing is really important, which is, I mean, the, the big, the big, you know, the big incidents have been carried out by like atomized young people.

00:21:31.120 And a, because they're just tapped into this on this online world that they, they get that socialization bug out there.

00:21:38.120 It kind of gives them this false sense of socialization.

00:21:40.840 And maybe that can like mask the, um, the, the spiritual rot for like a proportion of time.

00:21:47.380 And then they get radicalized on these online groups.

00:21:49.280 That's one thing, like what the discords and everything, but then also like just the way the economy is and the, and the, and the, uh, way the, the, the pathways to matriculation for young adults is just completely broken down.

00:21:59.340 So they just really feel like they have nothing to lose.

00:22:03.480 And, um, that's a really petrifying thing.

00:22:05.420 You have, so you have people with radical political ideology.

00:22:07.940 That's one thing we're used to that.

00:22:09.320 Like people with radical political ideology have been around for a long time and they just kind of mind their own businesses.

00:22:15.320 When they have nothing to lose, that's when it gets very worrying.

00:22:17.820 That's when they snap, so to speak.

00:22:20.540 Yeah.

00:22:20.940 And the irony of the whole thing is that the hollowing out of the middle class and the hollowing out of opportunities for young people to have a home and a, you know, a vehicle and a stable job.

00:22:31.860 That all took place over 40 years across what I would call the uniparty.

00:22:36.360 And I would put Barack Obama having even knocked on doors for him in 2008 as an idealistic 18 year old.

00:22:42.360 Yeah.

00:22:42.560 You know, I would put him into the category of the uniparty who appealed to, I mean, he bailed out the banks in 2008. 0.88

00:22:47.960 And so when that happens across the Reagan, Bush one, Clinton and Bush two, and then Obama, you know, that is actually the preconditions that created the opportunity for a Trump to actually take power. 0.96

00:23:04.060 So there's, it's something ironic when they're saying, oh, everybody who voted for him is a Nazi and a fascist.

00:23:10.000 Whereas when, if you look at it through a different lens, like I started working for Mark Levin in 2015 and I saw the Tea Party and then how that kind of played into a lot of the grassroots approaches that Trump took to his platform.

00:23:22.540 And something as simple as build a wall, I've talked to hundreds of border patrol agents.

00:23:27.160 They all say a wall is a good idea because you can't drive across the border.

00:23:31.000 So, you know, and if you kind of have to climb, that's harder than walking.

00:23:34.400 You kind of have to dig a tunnel.

00:23:35.980 That's harder than driving.

00:23:37.000 Right. 0.94

00:23:37.200 So, and then everybody's saying it's the dumbest thing in the world in 2016 when Trump was running on that platform. 0.52

00:23:42.460 And so it's like this detachment from reality that's now taking place because everybody has such a personal animus towards Trump, but they can't see the historical antecedents for that. 0.61

00:23:51.020 And it's, it's like, they're all saying it's unprecedented.

00:23:54.800 Yeah.

00:23:54.960 It's unprecedented how, I guess, since the Gilded Age, we haven't had this disparity between the rich and the poor.

00:24:00.320 Yeah.

00:24:00.960 And that's, that's the last time that that's when the William Jennings Bryan really initiated that transition for the Democratic Party to go from the party of the South to the party of the working class by FDR's time.

00:24:11.600 And now we're seeing that paradigm shift in the other direction.

00:24:14.300 And it's just, I'm asking the question, 2016, I thought it was going to happen.

00:24:17.620 2024, I thought, oh, the Democrats, maybe they'll get a reckoning.

00:24:20.760 And it just doesn't seem like they've really figured out the fact that running for the same old business in D.C. is not going to work among the American voters right now, especially young people.

00:24:30.320 Well, and it seems like Democrats now are beholden to that same activism class that drives the same sort of ideological impulses that drive Antifa.

00:24:39.560 So it's like, that's why a lot of people are saying at this point, Antifa could be viewed as sort of the paramilitary arm of the Democrat Party.

00:24:47.520 Yeah.

00:24:48.340 There was that famous Jerry Nadler quote, oh, Antifa's a myth.

00:24:51.320 That was in the summer of 2020.

00:24:52.760 And it's, but they still, they're still maintaining that that is the case, that it's not really, and it's, it's so ridiculous because obviously now there are countless acts of violence that took place.

00:25:04.640 You know, obviously there's a, was it Derek Reinhold in 2020?

00:25:10.480 There's basically a member of the Patriot Pair just shot dead in the street by somebody who actively said that they were Antifa.

00:25:18.800 I mean, literally publicly said that and then got into a shootout with police and died.

00:25:22.720 And so it's, it's not new to see that Antifa has been people who actually acknowledge I'm part of Antifa have committed these violent acts.

00:25:31.400 And they're still saying that it's some kind of myth.

00:25:34.060 I think it's just, it's because of the echo chambers that we have, they're never going to be in front of somebody who really holds them accountable unless they're in some house hearing, you know, once in a blue moon.

00:25:44.700 So we're also in a situation in DC where it's not just the country that's split between rural and urban and left and right, but the city is like, if you're a reporter, it's really difficult.

00:25:55.180 Oh, where did you work?

00:25:56.040 Oh, no, I'm not going to do an interview with you.

00:25:57.620 You worked at the Daily Caller.

00:25:59.040 Yeah.

00:25:59.300 Or the same thing happens in reverse.

00:26:02.140 And that's why I appreciate Tim Kass too, because it's like, you guys have cross-pollination and not everybody has to agree.

00:26:08.460 And Tim, you know, former lefty like me, like knocking on doors.

00:26:12.740 I was knocking on doors for Obama.

00:26:13.960 Tim was, you know, in Ferguson and at Occupy.

00:26:17.220 And then it's like really hard for the left to wrap their heads around the fact that all these people who voted for Obama then voted, turned around and voted for Trump.

00:26:24.400 Yeah.

00:26:24.840 So.

00:26:25.140 It's true.

00:26:26.380 Well, I guess one more, one more question with Portland.

00:26:28.900 And how effective, if the National Guard is able to finally deploy, how effective do you think that's going to be letting those federal agents do their job and conduct?

00:26:36.240 Do you think they're actually going to be able to crack down on Antifa in any effective way?

00:26:39.640 Because, I mean, there's a lot of those guys.

00:26:40.900 Well, there's some factors involved.

00:26:43.620 I mean, obviously, this case that's pending that was just challenged, Trump being able to even bring them in.

00:26:50.320 Well, the fact of the matter is, is first thing that happens is going to be what happened in 2020, which is the feds come in and then it kind of amplifies the response.

00:27:00.300 Right.

00:27:00.800 Because they're like, OK, here come the feds.

00:27:02.740 Now we have our cause.

00:27:04.680 Trump stormtroopers are here.

00:27:06.160 And so in the short term, I think that will definitely happen.

00:27:09.560 And it's just a question of what the numbers are, because ultimately, however big that swelling of the crowd is, they're going to have to match that from an enforcement perspective so that they don't have to use the force multipliers that make things get out of control.

00:27:22.880 Like, you know, tear gas and pepper spray, because ultimately, when cops use those measures, it's because they're overwhelmed, it's because they're outnumbered, it's because they need to get things under control.

00:27:31.920 So I think if you're going to get it under control, you really just need to make sure that your numbers in terms of enforcement are greater than what they're going to be able to dish out in the streets on the on the other side of things.

00:27:41.620 And that's where you'll see it maintain more of a peaceful posture than if, you know, they're overwhelmed and don't have any support from local PD and don't have any support from the local government.

00:27:51.980 Well, yeah, because that's, I mean, that's what, that's what I've seen is there's like what, nine, 900 federal agents that are available to even protect these buildings.

00:28:00.200 So it's like, yeah, the National Guard is a no brainer, because obviously Portland police, I mean, the city of Portland gave the feds a code violation for boarding up the windows.

00:28:09.040 So there's like, it's clearly they're antagonistic to the feds at this point.

00:28:13.500 Yeah, and it's the same thing as 2020.

00:28:14.560 I mean, people, Jenny, literally the Chaz took place in Seattle, because from the governor Inslee on down to Mayor Durkan wanted to put their thumb in the eye of Trump and get the national attention of, I'm the Democratic politician who's standing up to fascism.

00:28:29.520 And this is orange man bad.

00:28:31.380 And so look at me, I'm so righteous.

00:28:33.620 And then you get the national attention, you get the spotlight.

00:28:36.080 And that's, it's the same thing taking place yet again.

00:28:39.020 And so it's going to be a matter of whether or not they're able to muster the actual number of, of people that they need out in the streets, defending these various, whether it's the ice facility or the federal courthouse, you know, if they're overwhelmed and boom, here we have tear gas.

00:28:54.820 And then here, here comes more chaos.

00:28:56.520 Yeah.

00:28:57.280 Dude, this is gonna be a wild few weeks watching this unfold.

00:28:59.600 Where, uh, where can people find you?

00:29:01.420 Where can they get more?

00:29:01.980 So you can check out riot diet at pigeonpress.com.

00:29:06.760 And we got a couple more books coming out there and you can follow me at, at Richie McGinnis, R-I-C-H-I-E-M-C-G-I-N-N-I-S-S.

00:29:15.720 Base dude.

00:29:16.300 Thank you, Richie.

00:29:16.900 See you next time, man.

00:29:17.580 Hey, thanks for having me.

00:29:18.420 Always a pleasure.

00:29:19.240 Alrighty.

00:29:20.560 Alrighty.

00:29:21.160 Well, that was the great Richie McGinnis.

00:29:23.020 Uh, dude, so thankful he's able to hop on, really break down like the situation, what's going on there.

00:29:27.060 These videos out of Portland are just absolutely mad.

00:29:29.420 Um, so, thankfully, Trump, this litigation should, you should win.

00:29:33.520 He's Trump.

00:29:33.960 He always, he always wriggles out of these jams and, uh, see how it goes.

00:29:36.900 But, uh, we'll be back tonight for, uh, Timcast IRL at 8 p.m.

00:29:39.720 We got a big show tonight.

00:29:40.800 So, uh, be there for that.

00:29:42.280 You don't want to miss it.

00:29:43.360 You can follow me on X and Instagram at Real Tate Brown.

00:29:47.560 Um, go follow me there.

00:29:48.640 Uh, I tried to switch up the style today.

00:29:50.240 I tried to do, like, uh, opening monologue, like Tucker style.

00:29:53.820 Uh, but I was, like, super rigid and stiff during, I don't know, maybe just, like, day drink or something.

00:29:57.080 I think that's, that seems to be what a lot of people do.

00:29:58.780 But, uh, I'm just kidding, just kidding, disavow.

00:30:01.960 Um, we don't do that here.

00:30:03.000 But, uh, yeah, thanks for watching.

00:30:04.700 Uh, see you guys at Timcast IRL.

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - October 08, 2025

Leftist Attack on SCOTUS Fails, Antifa Crackdown Begins ft. Richie McGinnis

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