00:03:25.280At Georgetown University, there was a flyer that said, hey, fascist catch.
00:03:29.120And it was an advertisement for the John Brown Gun Club at Georgetown University.
00:03:33.480So you're seeing open pamphleting on universities for recruitment for these leftist paramilitaries, because that's really what the John Brown Gun Club is.
00:03:42.540How do you even begin to tamp down on that?
00:03:44.840What does that say about the national environment that they're able to just put these posters up on universities and supposedly Catholic University, Georgetown University?
00:03:53.260This has been a longstanding thing we've seen gradually grow on the left, where it was really bad last spring, especially with people attacking Teslas and threats on Elon Musk.
00:04:06.720And that was my big tipping point when I saw that, because a lot of that leftist terrorism was very directly pushed on places like Reddit or left-wing blogs, where the left is fairly overt about this stuff.
00:04:20.880And they've been so for at least a year, where last winter, there was a social media trend of young women saying they're going to wear cute little winter boots to cause terrorism.
00:04:30.480You need to buy your cute winter boots so that you can go out in the winter to cause terrorism.
00:04:36.680So this has been a longstanding leftist issue, and it's just gotten worse, and it'll continue to get worse until you put another variable to stop this trajectory.
00:04:48.560Well, I mean, yeah, because we saw in the 70s or the 60s and 70s where you had Weather Underground, you had the Black Liberation Front, whatever.
00:04:58.100You had a few of these leftist organizations, and they kind of operated with impunity to a large degree, because a lot of those people are still out and about today, and they're walking free.
00:05:07.520So the precedent thus far for leftist violence has actually been you can kind of get away with it.
00:05:12.520You've spent a few years in jail, but there hasn't been a serious push from the government against it.
00:05:18.460And if anything, the intelligence agencies and the IC in general has been oriented towards right-wingers for the longest time.
00:05:31.500I mean, how – if we can't reorient this quickly, I mean, where are they going to stop?
00:05:36.640Like, it just seems like you're waking up every day now, and there's another example of leftist violence.
00:05:41.800One of the core issues I've seen in, like, the last year is the boomer cons have not woken up to how dangerous the left is.
00:05:50.120And most of the conservative facilities of power are still controlled by boomer cons, although Trump has shoved in a lot of millennials and Gen Xs and some Gen Z.
00:05:59.120And waking up the boomer cons that have leftist terrorism seems very difficult.
00:06:07.300And one of the points James Burnham made in the 60s, which I thought was brilliant.
00:06:10.960He wrote a book that was prophetic called The Suicide of the West in 1961.
00:06:15.460And at the time, liberals believed in stuff like free speech or tolerance and all of these more freedom-oriented things.
00:06:27.400And it's interesting to read that as a Gen Z because in the 21st century, that's just all gone.
00:06:33.040But the point the author makes is that every time the liberals or, like, the normie left-wingers make a gain, they've enabled it for Marxism because they're totally incapable of pushing back against Marxism.
00:06:48.480So everything the right loses will ultimately end up in the Marxist camp because the normie liberals are not organized or tough enough to really push back against the Marxists.
00:06:59.880So we've seen this creeping takeover of all of the West by Marxists due to this mechanism.
00:07:08.360Because that's what you're seeing where you're seeing these otherwise normie liberal pundits and politicians when they have to come out and condemn the Charlie Kirk assassination.
00:07:17.600Whatever the level of sincerity is is not what I'm really discussing.
00:07:20.780I'm discussing the fact that every single time they will say political violence is wrong.
00:07:26.360And then they put a bunch of qualifiers onto it.
00:07:28.140But they're saying, but, you know, whatever his politics were, politics aside, like, they're still cracking the door to the fact that, like, no, your politics can actually get you hurt.
00:07:38.900And that just shows that they're incapable of regulating everyone to the left of them.
00:07:42.960Where on the right, I mean, for better or for worse, it's actually quite easy for the normie, the, like, sort of center right to regulate and sort of finger wag at the right.
00:07:52.060They do it quite frequently, although it's, you know, they're less so able to impose their will as the Republican Party shifts more to Trumpism.
00:08:00.940But still, the left, the normie liberals, like you're saying, they're just incapable of wrangling in the Marxists.
00:08:08.360And you're seeing this in their condemnations.
00:08:12.120They have – the left is a staggering absence of leadership.
00:08:15.580And when you see stuff like this, where just the mob psychology takes over, and whenever that happens, you get the worst possible outcome.
00:08:23.440Because mobs are several million years less advanced than individuals evolutionarily.
00:08:30.520And one of the benefits the right has over the left is that we can develop leaders a lot more easily, where Trump isn't the easiest example.
00:08:42.140But people are generally respective of Vance, and Kirk had a tremendous amount of respect when he was still alive, God bless.
00:08:50.260But with the right's ability to have leadership, it means we can control our own sort of mob psychology so we don't end up with the worst possible outcomes.
00:09:01.880It doesn't happen – it happens like 5x as much on the left.
00:09:06.300And because the left can't have leadership, because they're so envious and so sort of crabs in the bucket, they just devolve into the worst aspects of mob think.
00:09:15.680Because you can't think of a single person who rose to real leadership on the left, where the reason they're putting up Biden, who was born during World War II and the British Empire was the biggest nation on earth, is because they cannot generate leadership younger than him.
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00:10:42.780I mean, I think also it's just because right-wing philosophy is just kind of naturally hierarchical.
00:10:46.840And then like you pointed out, left-wing is just crabs in a pot.
00:10:49.980It's just equality for equality's sake.
00:10:53.720It makes it impossible for like a strong leader to get up there and really rally the troops.
00:10:57.120Something that has been concerning to see with these shooters is how like atomized and how like how they are basically just freaks.
00:11:06.140And you're seeing with a lot of these social trends among Zoomers, it's almost like American society is just like a repository for these types of figures.
00:11:13.420It's like it regularly produces these types of people.
00:11:17.180And then it really just comes down to a matter of like when, how, or why do they snap?
00:11:24.320Part of the reason America has school shooters, and this is a multifaceted thing.
00:11:29.660I'm not going to say this is the only reason, is the ancestors of the school shooters were like the greatest conquerors in history.
00:11:39.720So you're taking the most successful conquerors in history, shoving them into a highly stable, highly bureaucratized, feminized society overnight.
00:11:49.640And you have this sort of like shadow that's building up under America, where we are an utterly insane people.
00:11:58.360I mean, if you talk to enough foreigners, you'll come to realize Americans are kind of nuts in a very positive way.
00:12:04.940And so we have this built up tension that we don't really know how to release.
00:12:12.280It's before I came on in this show, I was thinking to myself, what does the recent Charlie Kirk and assassinations tell me I didn't know before?
00:12:22.780And it speaks to a certain trend where I predicted America would have a civil war like five years ago.
00:12:28.860I thought it would be like a normal historic civil war, like the Spanish, where you have the Marxists fighting the conservatives.
00:12:35.520But there's just the extra layer of madness here.
00:12:38.800And that's just an unquantifiable thing where people have just gone utterly crazy.
00:12:43.740And the line is still right and left, but there's also the sanity-insanity line.
00:12:49.380And sadly, there's more insane than sane.
00:12:52.300Yeah, you just get this general feeling.
00:13:00.760But you get this general feeling of instability when you walk around, especially in cities.
00:13:06.000But even like a Walmart in a rural area, you get this feeling of like instability and you get this feeling off of people of like kind of desperation and like in a way that they've given up.
00:13:16.180And that's just so un-American because Americans – fundamentally, I love this description of Americans as they're temporarily embarrassed millionaires, where now it's like a country of just people that really feel like we're swirling the drain.
00:13:57.340I've also developed an idea called the psychological black death.
00:13:59.940And that was talking two years ago that we're going to start experiencing mental health pandemics in the same way centuries ago plagues would kill off people.
00:14:13.620American politics might start looking like a sort of drug-induced fever dream.
00:14:18.840And the thing we have to keep in mind is that we know what truth and good is because the ancients had it for thousands of years.
00:14:28.220And so we can choose to develop our society to ignore the insanity and sort of build a front against it rather than having it tear us apart.
00:14:36.780I mean, that's the tough thing is it's – you have an entire – okay, so like I was reading this new poll from Quinnipiac before you came on where it was a majority of Americans now have given up on democracy.
00:15:34.180So maybe like Phil Labonte's on our night show or our Timcast IRL, he has this great point he makes is that the left views violence as a dial and that the right views violence as a switch that you just flip.
00:15:47.020I mean it's tough to project going forward.
00:15:48.660But if the leftists keep committing attacks at this rate, do you think there is a point where the right just goes kinetic and puts this back in a box?
00:15:55.100So I got this wrong before, and so I'm going to hold my L.
00:15:59.740And upon holding my L, it's – I got this wrong before.
00:16:06.920So the thing that shocked me was how long this took where I don't fault myself for thinking it would happen in the last year.
00:16:14.200I frankly think it's strange things have lasted this long.
00:16:17.020And that could be for a variety of factors between aging or, I don't know, people being able to eat today, which they wouldn't in the previous years of history when things are bad.
00:16:27.800But it does feel like things have been extended longer than they should have where, again, you're right.
00:17:30.100I mean one thing that's kind of interested me is the X factor.
00:17:33.420I mean this could be an American-centric take, but the X factor really does seem to be Trump because you look at countries like South Africa, countries like Brazil, countries that are built on like a Western liberal democracy, at least something reminiscent of that.
00:17:46.780Although there's obviously a lot of external factors in these countries, but you see how by every account they should have collapsed by now.
00:17:55.780The government still is able to use power in some ways, even if it's not super strong.
00:18:00.760And it makes you wonder, like with the current structure, with the current deployment of the global order, how do you even get these countries to collapse?
00:18:08.760And then that's why I say Trump's the only X factor because he seems to be the only person that is able to single-handedly impose his will on the world order as far as the actual way that these societies are structured and shake them up.
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00:20:15.540Keep in mind that as a historian, 10 years is short.
00:20:19.500So if this happens five years after I predicted, I'll still feel sort of vindicated in the long term because you can look at a trend like this and know what's going to happen.
00:20:33.400And what's often the case, I find, and this is more of just like sort of a life lesson thing, is that a process will take forever to happen.
00:20:42.840You'll wonder if it's still going to happen.
00:20:44.860And then the second you question it, it happens, where it's the whole thing of it's darkest before the dawn or like the British airstrike on Germany was the worst.
00:20:53.040Sorry, the German airstrike on Britain was the worst right when the British were losing hope.
00:20:57.160So it could be a situation like that, or it could be something else I don't know about.
00:21:03.980Yeah, I mean, it was weird in the U.S.
00:21:05.740Because like you were saying, I mean, I have been sort of, I had sort of felt like, okay, the left was demoralized well into the Trump administration.
00:21:13.080And yeah, you kind of almost dismiss them.
00:21:15.240It did feel like we were really winning.
00:21:16.640And then the Charlie Kirk shooting happens, and it's a huge gut punch.
00:21:20.660The bluff, which was civil discourse, was called because you saw the other side's reaction to the shooting.
00:21:25.160No one could give a full thirded condemnation, and then you had a large chunk of the left just openly celebrating the attack.
00:21:31.920And it felt like that was something that was kind of integral to the United States.
00:21:35.720It's kind of integral to a republic is people participating in the culture of free speech and like civil discourse and these sorts of things.
00:21:42.920And a lot of these, you know, normies, boomers that you're referring to, I think even a lot of them saw that and went, oh, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:21:50.400Wait, they're not just wanting to sit down and debate?
00:21:53.140They're actually, they actually feel that way?
00:21:56.520I mean, I don't know if you got a sense of that.
00:21:58.860Yeah, the left, I have a principle called Lynch's Law that no matter how mentally unwell you imagine the left to be, they're worse.
00:22:05.500The more you study into their psychology, the more you see of their behavior, you will consistently realize their mental health is worse than you thought.
00:22:12.900And so I knew that going in and the scary thing is that, I mean, the left operates within sort of like a degree of plausible deniability at all times.
00:22:26.500But Hassan and Destiny were not fully dismissive of the death of Charlie Kirk, which should have been the easiest thing ever.
00:22:37.100And that's just deeply concerning because they're two of the biggest leftist accounts.
00:22:41.280And it speaks to something I think a lot of normies liked the left because the left came across as peaceful and nice and trying to fix things in the safest way.
00:22:52.780And then you see what's underneath that, and it's utter bloodlust, way worse.
00:22:58.280The left is easily more bloodthirsty than even the most right-wing factions of the left.
00:23:05.640Or you'd have to pick the most far right to meet even something significantly more mainstream on the left.
00:23:13.620And that's a huge collapse of illusions because on top of it, the left runs all the institutions, or the vast majority of them.
00:23:22.120And so it makes your average normie realize, wait, maybe an insane death cult is in charge of society.
00:23:30.300Yeah, I mean, that's the terminology I've been using is death cult because it seems so cliche, right?
00:23:36.980It's like, okay, yeah, people have been saying that for years.
00:23:39.280But really, there's not really a much better way to describe what's going on besides this kind of underlying bloodlust that comes to the surface more often than not these days.
00:23:48.800Because, like, you look across the West, you look at, like, the UK, it's kind of obvious what the flashpoint's going to be.
00:23:54.460There's going to be immigration because that seems to be what really animates things.
00:23:57.320And, you know, it's having a tremendous impact on the country.
00:24:00.360But the United States, there's, like, a variety of places this could really pop off.
00:24:04.940That's kind of what buoyed Trump in 2016.
00:24:06.520But there's a lot of different points in the American sort of political sphere that could really set things off.
00:24:13.380And, yeah, I mean, when it comes to the leftist bloodlust, I mean, you look at the only way to really get on top of this,
00:24:20.040because you're not going to debate your way out of this, is you're going to have to use the full force of the federal government and crack down on these people.
00:24:26.920And then from there, who knows where it could go?
00:24:28.860I mean, I personally think that you have to act as soon as possible to get a lead on this.
00:24:35.760It seems like no matter what, they accuse the Trump administration of being this, like, fascist authoritarian government.
00:24:42.100And so, of course, they're going to react as if they're fighting a fascist authoritarian government, because that's what they genuinely believe.
00:24:49.320It's pretty horrifying that the left stream, mainstream, the left stream, the mainstream leftist media, no, I like the left stream better.
00:24:58.120The left stream media, they've been calling Trump a Nazi for years, and that he's going to take over authoritarian, totalitarian power, and all those things.
00:25:10.500And their messaging since the 2010s has been punch a Nazi, violence against Nazis acceptable.
00:25:16.220So you can see the trajectory that's going on there, and it doesn't end well.
00:25:20.160And they've thrown away all of their moderate, sane people who would tell them no.
00:25:25.000The issues with the No Kings protest and the National Guard being sent in to deal with that, that felt like it was sort of the most plausible start to a war.
00:25:41.120And we've consistently seen things where Trump recently said he wants to put national guards in every major city.
00:25:47.700And when I see that, I just think that's a tinderbox, because it radically increases the space of friction.
00:25:53.400What I mean by that is that if there's American troops in these major leftist cities, and they're wandering around, for the leftist elite, that's a very obvious affront on their sense of the world.
00:26:07.780Because these tiny people who only think about their personal lives, and then they extrapolate their theories into politics.
00:26:12.760So if you have National Guard in major cities, that radically increases the space of friction, because you'll have these soldiers who may or may not be loyal to the left, constantly interfacing with these radical leftists in a bunch of places at once.
00:27:21.960And I do not mean to speak lightly of a tragedy, but the ridiculous and the reality are merging together because our lives are the internet.
00:27:30.480So as the internet becomes more ridiculous, reality gets more ridiculous.
00:27:33.640But it's weird to see these young men fighting for the left because I don't know—young white men, I don't know what incentive you'd have to do that.
00:27:41.980But, I mean, if the left is already cultivating mental illness as a coalition strategy, I guess that's a good one in the current society.
00:27:52.920And so for young men, if there's going to be a war or civil strife, that would sort of radically increase their social value because both the right and the left would have to pander to young men to give them an incentive to fight.
00:28:11.380And that might create weird social effects because you've moved from an ecosystem where the society gives young men no status to one where both sides have to pander to young men.
00:28:21.980And I can't see if there's a civil war that there wouldn't be some variety of draft, either by the right or the left.
00:28:30.200I think you could draft Americans to fight each other but not other countries at this point.
00:28:34.900The problem then becomes elites are drafting armies of young men who don't even like them where I think if you got an army of 20-something-year-olds, young white men to fight for the left, their ideological version of leftism would hate the mainstream NBC, CNN leftists.
00:28:52.200And so this creates a different disjoint.
00:28:55.360And there's also the potential for – I mean if the men don't get paid, if there's some breakdowns in authority of like Chinese bandit warlords.
00:29:06.880And it's just lots of – man, the story is getting so strange.
00:29:20.080Either you look at like the photos from the Charlie Kirk memorial and it was like a bunch of white guys like had their lives together by all accounts.
00:29:27.360Like they're – you know, they look normal, right?
00:29:30.080They're like wearing normal clothes, probably have fairly functional social lives.
00:29:35.520And then you juxtapose it with the left where it's like the only time a young white man is celebrated on the left is if he's martyred himself in some way.
00:30:05.960The way I can – so there's two ways the left holds on to young white men.
00:30:09.120One of which – and for the DNC people who spent $20 million for a research project, you can just listen to this.
00:30:16.080So first thing is through mental illness.
00:30:20.040And the thing with Tyler Robinson is that Salt Lake City is a mostly conservative place.
00:30:25.280But there are elements of Salt Lake City that are as progressive as Seattle or Portland that are just utterly insane.
00:30:32.360And so he was part of that subculture or at least adjacent to it.
00:30:36.340And then on top of it – so mental illness is the first way.
00:30:40.080And the left predates on mental illness.
00:30:41.780They find you for one of your – they'll pick one of your mental health vulnerability points and then sucker you in to greater degrees of paranoia.
00:30:48.940And then the second one is through people who I call ethnically leftist, where in the Middle East you'll have – if you're born in Egypt, you're going to be Sunni.
00:30:58.460If you're born in Persia, you're going to be Shia.
00:31:00.800And then if you're born in Boston, even if you're dispositionally conservative, if you have more masculine character traits, you're like more responsible, you can still be a leftist because if you're born into Boston, it's just you will never hear a conservative argument.
00:31:17.200And so these are the two demographics of young white men I think the left can hold on to.
00:31:22.700And on top of the people who are ethnically leftist, what happens if you work at like a major hospital in Washington, D.C. and all of your coworkers are left wing?
00:31:32.740It's just a lot easier to be left wing where we've hit a threshold where the right and left are different societies and different civilizations that work under their own rules.
00:31:48.700I'm not going to put you on the spot and make you give a prediction, but maybe a projection through the next six months of what to look out for.
00:31:57.400I think that gives a lot of breathing room of just what should we be looking out for?
00:32:01.100What would be some bad indicators or what would be some good indicators?
00:32:33.620That's my current bet for most thing most likely to cause a civil conflict.
00:32:37.540Another issue I have looking at is I don't know how the average American is going to keep paying their bills because the economy just keeps getting worse.
00:32:46.620And there has to be a threshold where cost of living goes up, people can't get jobs, where you just hit a tipping point.
00:32:56.760And I don't know what's going to happen when there's so many variables like aging or the economy or, I don't know, like recession that just keep going on longer than the system can sort of hold out, if that makes sense.
00:34:05.680I mean, we have to acknowledge the reality that like there's a sizable chunk of the country that wants to kill like white Christian conservatives.
00:34:12.680Purely for being white Christian conservatives, there's nothing more to it.
00:34:15.900And that is an absolutely harrowing reality.
00:34:19.220And the Trump administration, that's the off-ramp is them cracking down.
00:34:22.440We discussed this at length on TimCast IRL.
00:34:25.280Just hit fill up if you want him to explain it to you.
00:34:28.140He's really good at that sort of stuff.
00:34:29.900So with that, I want to thank you guys for watching.