The Culture War - Tim Pool - Leftist TERROR Attack On Coast Guard, Liberals Claim Trump Is A TYRANT DEBATE w⧸ Austin Padgett & Brian Shapiro

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00:00:19.880 In the wee hours of the morning, around 1 a.m.,

00:00:23.240 a U-Haul vehicle being driven by an unknown individual

00:00:27.000 tried to reverse at high speed into law enforcement

00:00:30.660 in Alameda, California, who were aiming weapons at the vehicle,

00:00:35.460 seemingly expecting a threat.

00:00:37.840 This was at an anti-ice protest outside of the Coast Guard base,

00:00:41.360 Coast Guard Island in Alameda,

00:00:42.560 where federal agents were being housed

00:00:44.580 for a potential upcoming ice action in the Bay Area.

00:00:48.000 However, Trump had called this off after an intervention

00:00:51.020 from big tech CEOs and other political elements,

00:00:54.620 we'll put it like that.

00:00:55.240 So we don't know the real reason why he called it off,

00:00:56.620 but he did.

00:00:57.660 After this protest began to die down,

00:00:59.260 we saw this moment.

00:01:01.160 It appears to be a terror attack.

00:01:04.640 Perhaps you can call it low scale.

00:01:06.020 We don't know if this person was truly intending

00:01:07.320 to run over this group of law enforcement,

00:01:10.220 but they certainly reversed at high speed.

00:01:12.640 Two people were shot, the driver and a bystander.

00:01:15.240 We don't know if the bystander was involved in the protest,

00:01:17.080 but this is just another story in a long line

00:01:20.020 of extreme actions that we have seen

00:01:22.140 over the past several months

00:01:23.140 with several terror attacks on ice facilities,

00:01:25.100 shootings or otherwise,

00:01:26.560 which I believe has resulted in many federal agents

00:01:29.700 being completely on edge.

00:01:31.660 We now have bounties being put on the heads

00:01:33.680 of DHS officers in Chicago

00:01:35.100 from Latin King gang members,

00:01:36.640 as well as other gangs,

00:01:37.580 and a fear that this will only continue to escalate.

00:01:41.740 In the meantime,

00:01:42.860 Democrats are saying that ice agents

00:01:45.440 have been detaining U.S. citizens in these raids

00:01:48.240 and that federal law enforcement

00:01:50.040 and, worse still, National Guard

00:01:51.820 being deployed into their cities is tyranny.

00:01:55.120 And many prominent liberals saying,

00:01:57.460 you've got to stand up now,

00:01:59.740 push back on Trump.

00:02:01.040 He's trying to be a king.

00:02:02.380 And they march saying, no kings.

00:02:04.760 So we're going to debate this,

00:02:05.980 talk a bit about what's currently going on

00:02:07.540 and the, I guess, the scale of escalation

00:02:10.000 and whether or not Donald Trump is truly a king.

00:02:12.000 We'll be having this debate.

00:02:13.200 We are being joined by several individuals.

00:02:15.200 Good sir, would you like to introduce yourself first?

00:02:16.380 Sure, thanks for having me.

00:02:17.540 Brian Shapiro, do a show called Pushing the Limits.

00:02:21.200 I am an independent that is extremely anti-Donald Trump.

00:02:25.520 We probably disagree on a lot of politics today, Tim,

00:02:29.260 but I appreciate you inviting me on the program

00:02:31.700 and it's good to be here.

00:02:32.740 Absolutely.

00:02:33.600 We also have Tate, who's hanging out.

00:02:35.360 What's going on?

00:02:36.080 Oh, your mic's not on.

00:02:37.400 My mic's not on.

00:02:37.940 You're being censored.

00:02:38.680 I'm being censored by the deep state already

00:02:40.760 for my pro-Trump beliefs.

00:02:42.180 This is unbelievable.

00:02:43.580 Yeah, Tate Brown here, holding it down.

00:02:45.060 I'm excited to be here.

00:02:45.780 This is going to be a fun panel.

00:02:47.520 I'm Austin Padgett, the third pro-Trump panelist today.

00:02:52.640 I co-host a show called History 102.

00:02:55.940 But you're a libertarian, right?

00:02:57.640 Yes, super libertarian.

00:02:59.100 This was the challenge, and that's why I was also like,

00:03:01.420 we have the seat open, and I told Tate,

00:03:03.940 I was like, maybe you should just sit in,

00:03:05.700 we'll get more of a conversation.

00:03:06.680 But it certainly does feel like a pile-on for Brian.

00:03:09.720 No, I don't mind.

00:03:10.680 I figured you'd be all right with it.

00:03:11.860 No, I'm good.

00:03:12.300 But we intentionally said, let's get a libertarian,

00:03:14.680 and he's still pro-Trump.

00:03:16.520 You'd have 100 magas here, and I wouldn't get it.

00:03:19.020 I was like, I'm a fairly moderate, I'm pro-Trump.

00:03:21.860 Tate is a conservative, Christian, pro-Trump.

00:03:25.060 And then I said, we should get a libertarian,

00:03:27.860 because that's sort of in between,

00:03:29.100 but it's still just everyone's pro-Trump.

00:03:30.380 It's okay.

00:03:31.240 I'm all right.

00:03:31.800 I can still say something that annoys people from all sides.

00:03:34.800 You've got to try and get closer.

00:03:35.720 Oh, excellent.

00:03:36.480 Yeah, you might have to pull the chair in or something.

00:03:38.520 But I'm not a liberal, though, to be fair.

00:03:40.100 No.

00:03:40.440 I did not vote for Barack Obama.

00:03:41.820 I did not vote for Hillary Clinton.

00:03:43.780 I'm just, I dislike Donald Trump.

00:03:46.140 I think the only person in this country that hates Trump more than I do

00:03:48.480 may be Melania.

00:03:49.340 I don't know.

00:03:50.860 But I am extremely anti-Donald Trump for a lot of different reasons.

00:03:54.020 Well, let's start with this story that we just saw.

00:03:57.940 And I'll line it up a little bit.

00:03:59.500 So we just had this protest over the weekend.

00:04:00.960 No kings.

00:04:02.380 One of the most effective protests we have seen in the history of the United

00:04:04.980 States as following the protest, there are no kings.

00:04:07.560 So congratulations to the protesters.

00:04:09.100 They've succeeded.

00:04:10.180 We don't have any kings. 0.96

00:04:11.560 But the actual claim there is that Donald Trump is a tyrant.

00:04:14.700 He is trying to be a king.

00:04:15.600 He wants to be a dictator and all of these things.

00:04:18.480 However, at the same time, we are seeing a string of an escalation of

00:04:21.960 political violence, terror attacks from the Tesla attacks to the ICE facility

00:04:25.060 attacks.

00:04:25.900 And now liberals are claiming, or I should say the left, the anti-ICE,

00:04:30.100 that these actions from federal law enforcement officers in blue cities is

00:04:34.360 tyrannical.

00:04:35.780 And so I don't know if someone wants to get – maybe you want to kick it off

00:04:37.860 what your stance is.

00:04:38.440 Well, first of all, here are my issues with this.

00:04:40.100 Number one, you have a lot of agents across the country that are not identifying

00:04:44.520 themselves as agents outside of courtrooms, tackling people, outside of Home Depot.

00:04:49.900 That's against the law.

00:04:50.960 You have to identify yourself.

00:04:52.360 Something needs to say that you're ICE.

00:04:54.420 You know, you can't just go somewhere and tackle somebody and not say you're law

00:04:58.680 enforcement.

00:04:59.140 So that's a big issue, number one.

00:05:00.900 Number two, most of the people, more than 50 percent of the people that are being

00:05:04.920 detained by ICE and or deported are nonviolent criminals.

00:05:08.220 We were told by the Trump administration that they were going to focus on very violent

00:05:13.860 criminals.

00:05:14.600 That's just not the case.

00:05:15.460 That's a non sequitur.

00:05:16.580 Well, but it's – but you're asking me what my issues are with this, and I'm just

00:05:21.120 going through the list of –

00:05:21.960 So I'll push back on that one because whether or not they want to prioritize versus who

00:05:27.020 they're actually deporting, it's a non sequitur.

00:05:30.420 I don't understand why – Trump said he was going to deport everybody.

00:05:33.800 He is – it appears they are targeting criminals, and they are largely also in this process

00:05:40.240 getting general criminal aliens.

00:05:42.320 So are you comfortable, Tim, with people that have never committed a violent crime or a felony

00:05:46.900 being sent to El Salvador-type prisons?

00:05:49.200 They're not all going to El Salvador.

00:05:50.020 Are you comfortable with that?

00:05:50.580 Not all of them.

00:05:51.360 I never said that, but some of them are.

00:05:53.380 Are you comfortable –

00:05:53.900 That's a bit of a straw man.

00:05:56.160 Well, I'm just asking you if you're comfortable with that.

00:05:58.540 Am I comfortable in the circumstance where a criminal illegal alien who entered this country 1.00

00:06:04.100 – and we don't know to which number, so – I guess I could say there's certainly

00:06:10.260 going to be errors in any and all law enforcement.

00:06:12.740 Kamala Harris famously – I'm not saying you support her, but she famously had people 0.95

00:06:16.180 kept in prison beyond their release dates, using them as slave labor and things like

00:06:20.360 that.

00:06:20.840 Actually, that's a bad example.

00:06:21.740 I just don't like Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:06:23.000 But mistakes happen in law enforcement.

00:06:24.760 We want to mitigate them.

00:06:25.700 They shouldn't happen.

00:06:26.300 U.S. citizens being detained for 24 hours in New York shouldn't happen, but the question

00:06:33.400 is of malice.

00:06:34.840 So if – I don't know.

00:06:37.300 To what degree are we going to accept nonviolent illegal immigrants being sent to – what is

00:06:44.440 it called?

00:06:44.740 Cicot?

00:06:45.200 What is it called?

00:06:45.900 Cicot.

00:06:46.360 Cicot.

00:06:46.760 There you go.

00:06:47.380 In El Salvador.

00:06:48.420 And it's – well, nonviolent individuals should not.

00:06:52.240 Then there's another layer to the question, and that is what if the country will not accept

00:06:56.020 them back?

00:06:57.060 Where do we send them?

00:06:58.380 Now it's getting really muddy and messy because if we don't have extradition treaties

00:07:03.620 or treaties in general for handing deportations of foreign nationals, well, they don't just

00:07:09.520 get to stay here.

00:07:11.280 So I'm not suggesting they should go to Cicot, but now we've got Kilmar going to, I guess,

00:07:15.040 Uganda or whatever.

00:07:16.160 Uganda? 0.94

00:07:17.420 Well, listen, I think 99 percent of the country would agree that if you're a violent criminal 0.90

00:07:22.280 in this country illegally, you should be deported. 1.00

00:07:25.380 I'm one of those people.

00:07:27.180 I think there needs to be some sort of pathway to citizenship for people that are nonviolent 1.00

00:07:31.280 criminals that have lived in this country for decades, some of whom do pay taxes.

00:07:34.920 I think there's a better way to do it than the way the Trump administration is doing

00:07:37.960 it.

00:07:38.160 I want border security.

00:07:39.360 I'm not one of those people that thinks that the borders should be wide open.

00:07:42.920 How many times are we going to do amnesty, though?

00:07:45.420 It's like the fourth, right?

00:07:46.540 I understand that, but I also don't like it when Dr. Phil is there with a microphone

00:07:50.420 making it a spectacle.

00:07:51.600 I feel like there's glee in this.

00:07:52.900 Obama deported a lot of people as well, but I don't think they enjoyed it.

00:07:55.960 I feel like, and this is my personal opinion, that those in the Trump administration and

00:08:00.020 Donald Trump are making it a spectacle.

00:08:02.460 Like they're liking the fact that families are being separated.

00:08:05.460 I think that's immoral.

00:08:06.300 Well, that's like an emotional reaction.

00:08:08.820 That's not a fact.

00:08:09.500 I can't debate how you feel about what Trump is doing.

00:08:12.180 You think it's emotional?

00:08:13.280 Dr. Phil has said, hey, come on down here with Tom Homan and let's interview these people

00:08:17.900 that have handcuffs on them.

00:08:18.960 You got a problem with Dr. Phil?

00:08:20.440 I have a problem with making it into a reality show.

00:08:22.820 This is not a reality show.

00:08:23.900 This is real life.

00:08:24.640 Agreed.

00:08:25.000 Dr. Phil, you knock it off.

00:08:26.700 I'm not a Dr. Phil fan anyway, Tim.

00:08:29.180 But listen, I just think you're asking me my thoughts on this whole situation, and I don't

00:08:34.040 like the way Trump is going about it.

00:08:35.500 Why is it that he wants white people from South Africa in this country with open arms, but he

00:08:40.140 doesn't want black people from South Africa in this country? 1.00

00:08:42.900 Why is that, Tim? 0.98

00:08:43.940 When did he say that?

00:08:44.920 Well, look at what he did.

00:08:46.120 Ten South Africans were-

00:08:47.860 Ten people?

00:08:48.780 I think this was like three months ago, welcoming them with open arms with their families, but

00:08:52.660 they all happen to be white.

00:08:54.180 I find that very convenient. 1.00

00:08:55.780 Because there are white people being killed in South Africa.

00:08:57.900 Yeah, but why is it that he doesn't do the same for people of color? 0.97

00:09:02.060 Let's welcome you with open arms. 1.00

00:09:03.880 The black people in South Africa are the majority and are the ones chanting, kill the 1.00

00:09:08.140 boatworm. 1.00

00:09:08.320 The government there is a black nationalist government. 0.95

00:09:10.700 You don't find that-

00:09:11.680 Okay.

00:09:12.500 You can say it's racial, but it's clearly also very politically aligned.

00:09:16.660 Like the politics of the South African grievance politics and the communism versus the European

00:09:24.580 descendant South Africans who are more free market and more in favor of property rights.

00:09:29.120 So there's an obvious political overlap here.

00:09:31.680 And there was a white guy, just an illegal immigrant, he was a police officer and they

00:09:35.760 deported him.

00:09:37.100 So it's like, I don't think it lends itself to the argument when it's ten South Africans

00:09:42.560 or one white guy being deported.

00:09:44.280 Well, I think it comes down to compassion if we're talking about this situation.

00:09:47.940 And there are people in Trump's administration, and I know this goes into the healthcare situation,

00:09:53.100 but there are people that do not believe if you're an undocumented immigrant and you're

00:09:55.860 dropped off at an ER and you need life-saving care that you should not get that life-saving

00:09:59.840 care, that we should be asking for your paperwork.

00:10:01.920 That is not the country, Tim, that I want to live in.

00:10:04.680 That is no compassion.

00:10:06.180 I'm not saying undocumented immigrants should be getting free healthcare. 1.00

00:10:09.400 And by the way, they don't qualify for Obama's subsidies anyway.

00:10:12.060 But if somebody is dying and they're undocumented, okay, they should be able to get the care that 0.68

00:10:17.040 they need in a hospital.

00:10:18.260 And I'm okay paying for that.

00:10:19.640 I mean, that argument works if Biden didn't let in on the low end 10 million illegal immigrants.

00:10:25.640 Well, you could use the term let in.

00:10:27.820 I'm not going to sit here and defend Biden when it comes to all the undocumented immigrants

00:10:31.880 that came into this country.

00:10:32.780 Clearly, he didn't do a good job.

00:10:34.320 There's a math question, right?

00:10:35.740 So, you know, the famous saying, you must secure your own mask before securing the mask

00:10:40.920 of the person sitting next to you.

00:10:42.020 And that's a great analogy because when the pressure drops, if you're too busy trying to

00:10:45.220 help someone else, you pass out and then no one gets out.

00:10:47.020 Let me flat out ask you, Tim, if somebody is undocumented in this country, I'm not even talking 1.00

00:10:50.960 about a violent criminal.

00:10:52.020 Somebody who's in this country, undocumented immigrant, they're having a heart attack. 1.00

00:10:55.640 Do you believe that if they're dropped off at an ER, that those doctors should not be

00:11:00.000 asking them for their paperwork, that they should try to save their life first?

00:11:02.760 First and foremost, doctors should just provide, render aid to anybody who's ailing.

00:11:07.180 Okay.

00:11:07.600 I agree.

00:11:09.300 But there's some people that don't agree with you on that.

00:11:10.800 But it's not about an illegal immigrant.

00:11:12.480 If like Tate had a heart attack, God forbid, at such a young age.

00:11:15.720 I have a lot of Arby's, so I mean.

00:11:17.280 I know.

00:11:18.280 Okay, doctors like.

00:11:18.820 So you eat like Trump then.

00:11:19.880 That's what you're saying.

00:11:20.500 Oh, yeah.

00:11:21.120 Meat doesn't give you heart attacks anymore.

00:11:23.300 I believe in life force.

00:11:24.940 I think the Big Mac does something for you.

00:11:25.920 The issue isn't illegal immigrants. 0.71

00:11:27.060 The issue is literally anybody suffering.

00:11:29.040 If a doctor said, well, hold on there, gosh darn minute, let me see some paperwork.

00:11:32.980 That means citizens are going to be denied emergency health care.

00:11:37.240 Well, here's the deal.

00:11:38.280 Like you'll die before the doctor can treat you if they're worried about your paperwork.

00:11:40.800 I don't want to live in a country where somebody is dying and they ask for their paperwork

00:11:44.160 first.

00:11:44.900 Tim, I don't want to live in a country like that.

00:11:46.600 Because like I said, it's not even a question of illegal immigrants.

00:11:50.100 It's a question of literally anybody going to the hospital being stopped and before they're

00:11:53.740 rendered aid.

00:11:54.660 It's like, he's a citizen.

00:11:55.980 He's good.

00:11:56.440 No, we don't have time for that.

00:11:57.440 Exactly.

00:11:57.860 I agree with you.

00:11:58.760 But the bigger question is.

00:12:00.280 People in the Trump administration do not agree with you on that.

00:12:02.160 That's a bit of an extreme example, though, because in emergency circumstances, however,

00:12:06.540 the argument of should illegal immigrants generally get medical treatment from our facilities 0.92

00:12:13.600 at the taxpayer expense?

00:12:15.580 In the emergency room, I say yes.

00:12:17.140 In the case of absolute emergencies, indeed.

00:12:19.380 What if someone chose to the emergency room and they're like, something's wrong with my

00:12:21.740 hand.

00:12:21.960 It hurts.

00:12:23.640 Well, that's a different circumstance.

00:12:24.940 Obviously, I'm not talking about, you know, if somebody said in the insert, you said

00:12:28.320 in the emergency room, life saving care.

00:12:29.980 I was just not life saving care.

00:12:31.380 So this is the issue.

00:12:32.320 Most of the people in the emergency room are not getting life saving care.

00:12:35.120 Well, in any event someone's having a heart attack or bleeding out, they were shot, whatever.

00:12:39.000 No one's going to stop and no one should.

00:12:41.060 They should just treat the person.

00:12:41.940 But you go to the emergency room, what do you see?

00:12:43.560 People are all sitting in chairs waiting because the emergency.

00:12:46.360 So I went to the emergency room in August because I had my throat swole up so bad.

00:12:50.060 I thought I was going to I thought I was going to choke out and die.

00:12:53.020 Went there and I was like, my throat's killing me.

00:12:55.840 And they're like, have a seat.

00:12:57.280 Tim, we live in one of the richest countries in the world.

00:12:59.640 I'm sorry.

00:13:00.180 I'm sorry.

00:13:00.360 I'm sorry to interrupt you.

00:13:01.720 But they demanded my papers when I went to the emergency room.

00:13:04.700 In fact, I watched them demand everyone's papers.

00:13:06.720 Hold on.

00:13:07.420 I just went to the emergency room.

00:13:09.220 And when I walked in, every single person who walked up to the counter and said, here's

00:13:13.700 my problem.

00:13:14.300 They said, papers, please.

00:13:15.920 They said, I need your ID.

00:13:17.460 Do you have insurance?

00:13:19.040 And everybody provided their identification.

00:13:21.580 And even if it's an emergency, can't you check the ID or paperwork on the back end after

00:13:27.380 the operation?

00:13:28.040 That you bring them in to do the life-saving care?

00:13:29.960 But here's what I don't understand, Tim, about your argument.

00:13:32.100 You know, you don't want these ERs to be crowded.

00:13:34.840 In the big and beautiful bill, which I would say that.

00:13:36.600 Well, it sounded to me like, you know, you want Americans to get care.

00:13:40.500 You don't want people to have to wait.

00:13:41.880 You don't want people in there that maybe have a hand pain.

00:13:44.680 Well, OK.

00:13:45.060 So I said, one of the arguments is that emergency room care, medical care in general, shouldn't

00:13:51.940 be at the cost of taxpayer.

00:13:53.000 Let's kill that argument right now.

00:13:54.260 Look at the big and beautiful bill.

00:13:55.480 15 to 20 million people are going to lose their Medicaid coverage.

00:13:57.860 When people lose their Medicaid coverage, they get sick.

00:14:00.140 When people get sick, they go to the ER.

00:14:01.980 When people go to the ER, those rooms get full.

00:14:04.760 I don't understand it.

00:14:05.180 Who are these people?

00:14:06.440 I'm talking about Americans right now that are going to lose their Medicaid coverage.

00:14:09.740 Yeah, like the demographic is older.

00:14:11.360 They're older, rich people.

00:14:12.420 One of the ways they saved money on the Medicare fraud was they looked through and looked how

00:14:16.680 many millionaires were collecting benefits and how much fraud.

00:14:20.500 There was a ton of fraud and a ton of millionaires.

00:14:23.660 And the Democrats want to give illegal immigrants health care. 0.86

00:14:26.720 That's not necessarily true.

00:14:28.500 But it's necessarily true because Democrats changed the definition of what an illegal immigrant

00:14:32.000 is.

00:14:32.820 And now the ACA benefits will be extended to anybody who says the word asylum.

00:14:35.520 Well, 30 percent of people that are working right now are not offered medical benefits.

00:14:40.300 Okay, those are not lazy people, as many in the Trump administration would say.

00:14:44.020 Well, it doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about.

00:14:45.220 Well, it has to do with medical coverage and the fact that the guy who you support, Donald

00:14:49.040 Trump, is in this big and beautiful bill.

00:14:51.300 20 million people are going to lose their medical coverage.

00:14:53.360 Those are not undocumented immigrants.

00:14:54.800 And those are not all millionaires either.

00:14:56.640 Many of those people are going to work.

00:14:57.100 So they are giving illegal immigrants health care? 0.96

00:14:58.740 No, well.

00:14:59.400 They're trying to.

00:14:59.820 Okay, they're trying to.

00:15:01.080 Doesn't mean they are.

00:15:02.240 Democrats are trying to, yes.

00:15:03.160 That's objective.

00:15:03.580 Okay, but 30 percent of the workforce, people that are working in this country, American

00:15:08.140 citizens, are not offered health care benefits.

00:15:11.100 49 percent of them can't afford it.

00:15:13.020 And people in the Trump administration and people on the right want to make the argument,

00:15:16.680 these are just lazy people.

00:15:17.880 They're on the couch and don't want to work.

00:15:19.140 It's not true.

00:15:20.240 That's a strong man.

00:15:20.640 I don't think it's a strong man at all.

00:15:22.540 I talked to the guys in the HHS who made this policy.

00:15:25.800 I talked to the guys in the HHS who identified the people who were either, it was either

00:15:31.040 fraudulent benefits or very rich people.

00:15:34.760 Like there was a huge, obviously a ton of people are collecting benefits who shouldn't

00:15:39.560 be or don't necessarily need them.

00:15:41.460 And 15 to 20 million is, I mean, you could probably pull more than that without affecting

00:15:46.660 people who really need it.

00:15:48.260 The point about people who don't get benefits or can't afford it, it's like there's no 1.00

00:15:52.380 reality where you go up to a Democrat or Republican and say, do you want to take

00:15:55.580 a working class Americans or a poor person's health care?

00:15:58.140 No one's going to say yes.

00:16:00.060 Okay.

00:16:00.540 Well, like not, not of any, maybe a libertarian.

00:16:02.980 We can talk about how to make health care cheaper.

00:16:05.380 Out of those 15 to 20 million people that are going to be losing their Medicaid coverage

00:16:09.220 if the big and beautiful bill, you know, was it based on what he said that they were

00:16:12.460 ripping off the system?

00:16:13.540 There's always going to be a small percentage.

00:16:15.460 I hate this argument.

00:16:16.600 There's always going to be a small percentage of people that are going to take advantage of

00:16:19.580 the system.

00:16:19.900 We can be talking about welfare.

00:16:21.160 We can be talking about unemployment benefits, but many of these government benefits or

00:16:25.560 maternity leave, Republicans hate it. 0.85

00:16:27.780 They want to get rid of it.

00:16:28.600 They want to abolish it.

00:16:29.420 And I'm sorry, I disagree with that.

00:16:30.920 There's always going to be a small percentage of people that are going to take advantage

00:16:33.340 of the system.

00:16:33.940 That doesn't mean the majority of the people should have to suffer for it.

00:16:36.240 That's exactly, Tim.

00:16:37.240 Who are the majority that are suffering?

00:16:38.860 People that are living paycheck to paycheck that are working.

00:16:41.380 The 30% of the people that are working right now that are not offered health care benefits.

00:16:44.880 That small percent you can still target.

00:16:47.960 It's not a majority, but it's still a lot of people.

00:16:50.380 Hold on, hold on.

00:16:50.940 You said a majority of people suffering then cited a minority.

00:16:55.140 It seems like-

00:16:56.340 It's a lot of people, Tim.

00:16:58.500 No one said it wasn't.

00:16:59.680 The point is you're saying things that are consistently just not, it's a non sequitur over

00:17:04.540 and over and over again.

00:17:05.740 It's like Donald Trump sending these troops and now the sky is cloudy.

00:17:09.460 And I'm like, okay, those things aren't related to each other.

00:17:11.720 We're talking about the emergency.

00:17:12.560 I'll tell you why they are.

00:17:13.620 We're talking about the emergency room, people that need care.

00:17:16.780 I'm telling you that millions and millions of Americans are going to be losing their

00:17:20.520 health care coverage.

00:17:21.400 What is-

00:17:21.780 Specifically how?

00:17:22.040 Let's break it down.

00:17:23.100 Specifically how?

00:17:23.980 I just told you.

00:17:25.440 You didn't?

00:17:26.320 30% of people that are working are not offered health care.

00:17:30.020 That is not the same thing.

00:17:31.680 Again, non sequitur.

00:17:32.860 Bro, stop.

00:17:33.600 Okay.

00:17:34.280 30% of people not being offered by their job health care is not the same as Trump passing

00:17:38.200 a bill will take health care away from people.

00:17:39.680 Who is he taking away Medicaid from?

00:17:41.520 I'm asking you that.

00:17:42.600 I'm answering it.

00:17:43.680 Who?

00:17:43.780 Start off with 49% of the people that are working, that are offered health care, that

00:17:48.080 can't afford it.

00:17:49.340 Those are people that are struggling.

00:17:51.300 You can look up those stats if you don't believe me.

00:17:52.960 Okay, let's try this again.

00:17:54.280 You're saying currently right now, 30% of people are not offered health care.

00:17:58.720 That work, yes. 0.93

00:17:59.580 That sucks. 0.99

00:18:00.340 It's terrible. 1.00

00:18:01.000 Now, Trump's trying to pass a bill.

00:18:03.320 You're saying that bill will take health care away from people.

00:18:06.020 Absolutely.

00:18:06.600 Okay, so these are two separate things.

00:18:09.120 No, the 30% of people are on Medicaid right now.

00:18:11.560 Many of those people are on Medicaid.

00:18:12.900 Is that a status quo thing?

00:18:15.360 How are they not related?

00:18:16.800 I don't understand.

00:18:17.120 So that's what I'm asking you.

00:18:19.440 Who are the people in this bill that are going to lose their health care? 0.94

00:18:23.400 It's a wide range of people.

00:18:25.300 The reason why I brought up the 30% is those are some of the people that are going to be 0.98

00:18:28.860 losing their Medicaid.

00:18:29.140 That's two different things.

00:18:30.300 Okay, but you're asking me who's going to be losing their health care coverage.

00:18:33.140 Yes, there's going to be a percentage of people that are lazy.

00:18:35.540 Yes, there's going to be a small percentage.

00:18:36.640 I didn't say any of that.

00:18:37.020 I'm saying that.

00:18:37.920 There's going to be a small percentage of people that maybe are taking advantage of

00:18:40.760 the system.

00:18:41.400 There's also going to be a lot of Americans in this country that are working two or three

00:18:44.380 jobs that can't afford their health care.

00:18:46.560 So let's slow down.

00:18:47.260 Okay.

00:18:47.580 I would say it's not as small of a percent as you think.

00:18:50.440 And 15 to 20 million people easily fits in that range of...

00:18:54.960 Fraudulent benefits.

00:18:55.780 Fraudulent benefits.

00:18:56.600 So what is the bill doing that will take away Medicare or Medicaid from these people?

00:19:01.560 They are cutting medical benefits and Medicaid from people that they believe do not deserve

00:19:07.000 it.

00:19:07.340 However, many of the people that are working are going to be losing their Medicaid coverage.

00:19:12.620 You could look up the bill and you could look up the literature in the bill and it specifically

00:19:16.140 doesn't say, well, if you're working, we're not going to take your medical coverage away.

00:19:21.440 They can say that on Fox News.

00:19:22.980 Is that what it is?

00:19:23.320 You have to be working in order to receive benefits or something?

00:19:25.580 That's one of them, I think.

00:19:26.600 I think if they were taking away all this medical spending, then I would hear libertarians

00:19:30.140 being happy about it.

00:19:31.140 But they're just complaining.

00:19:32.960 So...

00:19:33.280 Yeah, like Massey, for instance, said that the Republican version of the bill is basically

00:19:39.620 advancing the Biden-era spending.

00:19:42.420 It's going to stay basically where it is.

00:19:44.260 And Democrats are asking for more.

00:19:46.420 Well, my...

00:19:47.140 Maybe this is wrong.

00:19:47.800 My understanding is that Democrats want it to be what it was before the big and beautiful

00:19:51.540 bill came into play.

00:19:52.660 That's my understanding.

00:19:53.900 I don't believe this is a Chuck Schumer government shutdown.

00:19:57.200 I do not believe that.

00:19:58.280 My understanding...

00:19:59.400 So, like, the core of this debate over the government shutdown and the spending bill is

00:20:03.460 that Democrats want to extend the ACA benefits to refugees, asylum seekers, and DACA recipients.

00:20:09.440 That's part of it, sure.

00:20:10.140 Republicans said absolutely not because those are illegal immigrants.

00:20:13.040 Well, some...

00:20:14.600 When you talk about asylum seekers, I think that's some gray area. 1.00

00:20:19.220 But what Democrats want to put in place or to keep in place before the big and beautiful

00:20:23.880 bill is being implemented.

00:20:25.960 That's my basic understanding.

00:20:27.640 This is like big, beautiful bill number two?

00:20:29.020 Because they did have the other one, you know what I mean?

00:20:30.780 Well, I mean, look, I don't agree with the right blaming Chuck Schumer, you know, calling

00:20:35.060 it the Schumer shutdown.

00:20:36.460 I understand the votes that they need.

00:20:38.540 I understand how many Democrat votes they need.

00:20:40.420 I get that.

00:20:41.200 But the last government shutdown we had, last I remember, is back in 2019.

00:20:45.260 We didn't have one under the Joe Biden administration.

00:20:47.780 I could also tell you that if, you know, this is not...

00:20:51.420 They're putting it all on Chuck Schumer, the right, MAGA.

00:20:54.340 They're putting it all on Chuck Schumer.

00:20:55.700 This is all his fault.

00:20:56.900 He's the leader.

00:20:57.480 Yeah, I understand that.

00:20:58.400 But who's in charge of the House?

00:20:59.660 Who's in charge of the Senate right now?

00:21:01.240 Should they vote to get rid of the filibuster? 0.66

00:21:03.960 I think so.

00:21:04.780 I think just crush the filibuster and then Democrats have no argument.

00:21:07.780 You know, I actually agree with Democrats on this one.

00:21:09.620 They're blaming the Republicans for the shutdown.

00:21:11.860 And the Republicans are countering, saying, well, it's because we need at least 60 votes

00:21:15.040 for cloture.

00:21:15.840 And I'm just like, or, or you get rid of the filibuster.

00:21:18.380 And then you make sure Democrats never win another election.

00:21:20.460 I mean, are Republicans working hard?

00:21:22.200 How many weeks were they on vacation?

00:21:24.220 How many times did Mike Johnson say stay on vacation?

00:21:26.220 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:27.760 But that's the August...

00:21:29.220 Why can't they sit down and negotiate?

00:21:30.820 Why can't...

00:21:31.360 Is Hakeem Jeffries lying when he says Mike Johnson has not called him up to sit down and try

00:21:35.160 to talk and negotiate?

00:21:36.400 Is Hakeem Jeffries lying?

00:21:37.400 What's the negotiation?

00:21:38.660 Like, we want to give health care benefits to illegal immigrants.

00:21:39.760 That's the Republicans' responsibility.

00:21:41.420 They have the House and the Senate.

00:21:42.620 It's their job to try to negotiate with Democrats.

00:21:45.160 It's their responsibility.

00:21:45.980 This is a two to tango situation.

00:21:48.720 And...

00:21:49.120 So why won't they sit down, Tim?

00:21:50.420 Because they don't need to.

00:21:51.580 They don't need to?

00:21:52.640 Indeed.

00:21:53.320 Look at all the people that aren't getting paid right now.

00:21:55.500 And Democrats could be like, fine, fine.

00:21:57.280 Well, we won't give health care to illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:21:59.020 They don't need to.

00:21:59.680 You don't think that in Washington, D.C. right now, people don't need to negotiate and sit

00:22:05.360 down and come to terms and get somewhere in the middle?

00:22:08.100 Well, this is how government shutdowns...

00:22:09.200 No, you're right.

00:22:10.400 They could just abolish the filibuster and reopen government in seconds.

00:22:14.020 I understand that.

00:22:14.880 But you're saying that you don't think that Mike Johnson should be reaching out to Democrats

00:22:18.720 when Democrats are reaching out to him and say, okay, listen, we might not get anywhere,

00:22:22.900 but let's at least try.

00:22:24.060 Well, there's multiple factors here.

00:22:25.720 First, I would say, I already agreed, Republicans could shut this down in two seconds by ending

00:22:29.460 the filibuster and the nuclear option.

00:22:31.500 And everyone says, but Democrats will get back in power. 0.99

00:22:33.620 Oh, yeah, fucking right. 0.96

00:22:34.580 If Democrats get back in power, it's the least of their worries that they might ram, I should 0.98

00:22:39.820 try to avoid swearing, ram stuff through the Senate.

00:22:42.480 So maybe they should just, in the Senate, say, okay, filibuster's gone.

00:22:46.100 Government's open.

00:22:46.920 The other issue is Republicans want the government shut down.

00:22:49.660 And I don't care too much about the government shut down.

00:22:52.860 They want the government shut down because it's giving them pretext to start firing

00:22:55.680 tons of people, which is exactly what Trump wanted to do.

00:22:57.920 You don't care about brave men and women in uniform not getting paid?

00:23:00.840 They're getting paid.

00:23:01.100 They got paid.

00:23:01.860 Okay, but for a little while, they weren't getting paid.

00:23:04.360 You don't care about-

00:23:05.200 No, they never missed a paycheck.

00:23:06.360 People at the airport, TSA agents, and people all over the country that are not getting their

00:23:10.260 paychecks, you don't care about that? 0.86

00:23:11.580 Yeah, no, I don't.

00:23:13.160 There's been shutdowns.

00:23:14.600 What's your argument?

00:23:15.000 I would be okay with that.

00:23:15.920 Hold on, hold on.

00:23:16.660 What's your argument?

00:23:17.420 What's my argument? 0.94

00:23:18.400 You're a bootlicking fascist who likes government authority and federal agents? 0.98

00:23:21.440 Absolutely not. 1.00

00:23:22.000 Fire them all.

00:23:22.600 No, I'm actually a human being, and I feel like when people wake up and they go to work,

00:23:26.000 they probably should get paid for it, Tim.

00:23:27.620 Well, you can quit.

00:23:29.440 Well, you can quit?

00:23:30.740 Yeah, see, I'm on the very libertarian spectrum of, I don't think government should be as

00:23:34.620 bloated as big as it is, and I actually voted for Trump because he said he was going to fire 0.85

00:23:38.360 tons of people.

00:23:39.320 So I'm fine with doing it slowly, but if Democrats are like, we want to give ACA benefits to non-citizens 1.00

00:23:45.100 so we won't reopen the government, and then Trump is like, I'm going to fire people.

00:23:48.000 Let's backtrack a little bit.

00:23:48.960 Let's backtrack a little bit, Tim, for a moment.

00:23:50.660 Hold on a second.

00:23:51.800 Families and fathers and mothers that are working in all different types of different positions

00:23:56.900 in government jobs, they rely on that paycheck, and they're not getting a paycheck because

00:24:01.660 of a government shutdown, regardless of whether you blame the right or the left.

00:24:04.380 Immigrants should drop their illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:24:05.700 Hold on.

00:24:06.360 And your response to them would be, I don't care.

00:24:09.360 Quit your job?

00:24:10.220 Well, one of the responses I could say is, stop relying on big, deady government to take

00:24:15.520 care of you.

00:24:16.520 My first statement is, I'm sorry the Democrats did this to you.

00:24:20.360 Maybe if they didn't want to give ACA benefits to illegal immigrants, the government would 1.00

00:24:23.960 be open.

00:24:24.680 Now, Republicans could, as I already mentioned, end the filibuster right now and reopen government,

00:24:28.920 but they don't want to because Trump wants to fire a ton of people.

00:24:32.540 So I'm sitting back being like, well, it's a, what is it called?

00:24:35.520 The Xanatos Gambit, I was reading about this the other day, where no matter the outcome,

00:24:39.700 your side benefits.

00:24:41.140 Trump's attitude is, if Democrats want to give illegal immigrants health care under ACA

00:24:45.800 and keep the government shut down, they won't give us the five, I think they need, what,

00:24:49.240 six votes?

00:24:49.940 Six, I believe, yeah.

00:24:50.660 Six votes.

00:24:51.240 And he's like, okay, then the government's shut down, fine.

00:24:53.540 I'm going to start firing people.

00:24:54.680 Win-win. 0.95

00:24:55.220 All right.

00:24:55.460 It's also important who's being fired, right?

00:24:57.680 Because we can talk about police officers, civil servants, et cetera, which is the majority of

00:25:02.320 government workers.

00:25:02.980 But the people that he's really targeting are the half a million million federal bureaucrats.

00:25:09.020 And they're getting huge payout packages, which is fine.

00:25:12.180 We could pay them four times their salaries to quit, and it would still be worth it because

00:25:17.520 they're the ones that are managing the economy without accountability and destroying innovation

00:25:24.980 and costing us an unimaginable amount of-

00:25:30.180 It's just wild to be like, so let me get, I'll step back and give you my assessment.

00:25:36.620 The TSA is bad.

00:25:38.760 I've met a lot of TSA agents when I travel, and they're fans, and I respect that.

00:25:42.740 But the agency itself, I think, is a bad expansion of government.

00:25:46.680 And we complained about it when it happened.

00:25:49.300 But the problem is, the government creates something, and then liberals defend it, or

00:25:55.640 independence, or whatever your argument is, right?

00:25:57.460 So amnesty.

00:25:58.640 We get amnesty in the 80s, and 90s, and 2000s.

00:26:00.900 And once again, it's always going to be amnesty.

00:26:03.620 At a certain point, you've got to be like, guys, we're not doing it a fourth time.

00:26:07.580 It's not going to happen.

00:26:08.300 No amnesty.

00:26:08.960 Everybody's got to go. 1.00

00:26:10.000 You're a criminal alien. 1.00

00:26:11.180 You've got to get out. 0.93

00:26:11.960 And then the same thing with government agents and government shutdowns.

00:26:15.060 It's like, we've expanded the executive branch.

00:26:17.520 We've expanded federal authority.

00:26:18.760 We've expanded federal law enforcement over and over and over again.

00:26:22.200 And instead of being like, maybe at some point we need to stop and say we're spending too

00:26:26.160 much and expanding government too much, we get the liberal side, which is, no, no, just

00:26:31.000 this time, we need amnesty.

00:26:32.820 Whatever it may be, pay all of them now.

00:26:35.560 Defending the TSA, the liberals were angry about the TSA when H.W.

00:26:39.460 Bush was creating all this stuff.

00:26:40.400 Yeah, it's the only time I've ever been sexually abused multiple times, which is actually a

00:26:45.620 problem.

00:26:46.140 And I understand this because I've long talked about the problems in a post-capitalist society

00:26:50.500 where, you know, I met a homeless guy a long time ago in Chicago, old black guy, and I

00:26:57.120 had some pizza left over from a restaurant.

00:26:58.800 I asked him if he wanted it, if he was hungry.

00:27:00.940 He said he was.

00:27:01.680 I said, here you go, brother.

00:27:02.780 And then I was like, can I ask you a question?

00:27:05.200 Just curious how you ended up homeless.

00:27:07.060 And he said, I'll give you the simple version.

00:27:09.180 He worked at the post office for 20-some-odd years, never really a high-ranking guy or

00:27:13.780 anything.

00:27:14.720 Eventually, they said they were going to be shutting down, you know, his post office was

00:27:19.040 going on as a restructuring or whatever.

00:27:20.620 And so he didn't have a backup plan.

00:27:22.580 He couldn't afford a retirement.

00:27:24.040 So the first thing he does, he starts collecting some benefits.

00:27:27.120 But then it's not enough to pay his rent and pay for food.

00:27:29.460 He chooses between buying food or paying rent.

00:27:31.840 He chooses buying food.

00:27:32.940 Then he's late on rent.

00:27:34.200 He pays what he can.

00:27:35.300 Eventually, he gets evicted.

00:27:36.720 And that's it.

00:27:37.660 And he said, man, let me tell you.

00:27:39.560 He's like, my friends are dead.

00:27:41.060 My family's long dead.

00:27:42.560 I don't got anybody else.

00:27:43.560 And eventually, you got nowhere to go.

00:27:44.900 And I said, well, that's messed up.

00:27:46.360 This guy didn't do anything wrong.

00:27:47.420 How does he end up in a situation like this?

00:27:49.140 I can respect the individual and these circumstances.

00:27:52.040 But we also have to understand that we are building a system that is growing and growing

00:27:56.040 and growing and I'll put it like this because I've experienced this as a business owner.

00:28:01.080 When we try to look at costs, why are we spending so much money?

00:28:04.360 You know what we find?

00:28:05.160 There is never one thing you're spending too much money on.

00:28:09.380 And so we're like, what are we doing over here with this skateboard stuff?

00:28:12.660 Are we spending too much?

00:28:13.380 Like, honestly, we're not really spending that much money at all.

00:28:15.900 Okay, well, then what about some of these shows over here?

00:28:18.940 Really?

00:28:19.380 It's a couple of grand.

00:28:20.100 And I'm like, it's a snowflake and an avalanche.

00:28:22.280 No one is ever going to be happy when you have to do the cuts because it's going to

00:28:26.320 affect so many individuals.

00:28:28.060 And an individual's worth is substantially more important than the amount of money you

00:28:32.260 take by cutting the program.

00:28:33.800 But when you are cutting down costs, sometimes you have no choice and individuals are going

00:28:39.900 to get negatively impacted.

00:28:40.260 So let's be fiscally responsible by gold plating the White House.

00:28:44.020 Who's paying for it?

00:28:46.040 No, I'm not talking about the ballroom.

00:28:48.040 I'm talking about gold plating the Oval Office.

00:28:50.740 And who's paying for it?

00:28:51.500 Yeah, well, if you want to talk about being fiscally responsible, the guy who you support

00:28:55.260 got his $8.2 trillion in debt his first goal.

00:28:58.460 We're not going to talk about one president's debt.

00:29:00.460 Equation, which is the growth, right?

00:29:02.480 It's the whole growth thing.

00:29:03.680 Because this is what libertarians complain about all the time, is that Trump's not cutting

00:29:06.880 spending.

00:29:07.940 Spending is largely determined by Congress, which makes it challenging anyways.

00:29:11.760 But if you can cut the cost of medicine in half through deregulation or most favored

00:29:16.340 nation negotiation, then you cut 13% of the federal budget.

00:29:20.240 1500% drug prices.

00:29:21.880 Yeah, he's definitely doing a great job there.

00:29:23.580 Can I just go to the drugstore right now and get like, you know, a $5,000 check?

00:29:27.660 How do you support a guy that talks like that?

00:29:29.380 I think one of my issues is just that we've built a society that continually expects things

00:29:34.220 from others.

00:29:35.720 You know, it's like, I actually, I consider myself to be in favor of what I call universal

00:29:39.540 basic health care, meaning actually assessing the situation.

00:29:43.620 We have seen circumstances where like a kid got the flu and died.

00:29:46.320 And you're like, well, how does it happen in the 21st century?

00:29:48.800 I mean, come on, it shouldn't happen.

00:29:50.240 Or someone broke, has a broken bone.

00:29:51.980 It doesn't heal properly.

00:29:52.900 I'm like, these are simple things that's, you know, it's not expensive to fish.

00:29:57.640 We should have access to that.

00:29:58.640 I agree.

00:29:58.720 However, the left isn't arguing for that.

00:30:00.520 They're arguing for general universal health care, which would include cancer treatments

00:30:04.440 and extremely rare.

00:30:05.980 And I'll give you a specific example of where the limits are met.

00:30:09.180 There was a kid who had a genetic disorder for which there is a treatment.

00:30:11.640 The treatment is extremely rare and hard to produce and costs about a million dollars.

00:30:14.700 This, I believe, was in Georgia.

00:30:16.080 And the family argued that the state should pay the million dollars to give the kid his

00:30:20.440 gene therapy to cure this disease.

00:30:22.400 And the state argued, we cannot do this for literally everyone.

00:30:27.360 And if you were to win this argument in court, how will the state fund a million dollar gene

00:30:32.080 therapy for everyone suffering from this illness?

00:30:35.140 So that's why universal health care is not possible.

00:30:38.200 I want to ask you a question, though.

00:30:39.440 You know, you support Donald Trump, obviously.

00:30:41.720 And I'm curious, what is Donald Trump's health care plan?

00:30:44.280 For nine years, we've heard a replacement plan is coming to Obamacare.

00:30:47.460 We've heard the bitching and complaining. 1.00

00:30:49.420 I mean, where is the replacement plan?

00:30:52.100 He's had nine years.

00:30:53.100 Is that a serious policy person?

00:30:55.520 Oh, it's fantastic.

00:30:56.220 Obamacare is great.

00:30:56.780 I'm happy.

00:30:57.360 They've fired, what, 30% of that.

00:30:59.280 All this stuff that we're going through with health care. 0.99

00:31:01.840 Damn, that wasn't my question. 0.97

00:31:03.160 I'm not asking you what your opinions are on Obamacare. 0.98

00:31:05.200 What I'm asking you for is, what is Donald Trump's replacement plan?

00:31:09.080 Where is it?

00:31:09.720 His plan is to deregulate.

00:31:11.320 Who cares?

00:31:11.920 What do you mean, who cares?

00:31:13.040 You don't like Obamacare?

00:31:14.580 The question isn't about Obamacare.

00:31:16.260 Do you like Obamacare?

00:31:17.240 Yes or no?

00:31:18.460 I think it could make some improvements.

00:31:20.240 But generally good?

00:31:22.340 I think it's okay.

00:31:23.360 Okay, so then why would I want a replacement plan?

00:31:25.580 Because Donald Trump is the guy who you support has been bitching about it for nine years. 0.99

00:31:28.960 So fucking what? 1.00

00:31:29.900 So fucking what? 1.00

00:31:30.880 When somebody complains about something and you're the president of the United States and 0.99

00:31:34.500 you call yourself a policymaker, you're supposed to come up with a replacement plan.

00:31:37.860 One of the reasons I support Trump is that he doesn't have one.

00:31:40.340 That's why I support him, actually.

00:31:41.680 That's why I support him.

00:31:42.400 So you support a guy because for nine years he complains about a policy and in nine years 0.99

00:31:46.740 the imbecile doesn't come up with a replacement plan and that's why you support him? 0.98

00:31:49.240 You're real smoked about this. 1.00

00:31:50.680 Well, you're saying you don't care.

00:31:53.260 You're acting like I want to replace Obamacare.

00:31:55.920 It's not about you.

00:31:56.760 It's about the guy who you support.

00:31:57.980 You just said you support a guy who's complained but done nothing.

00:32:01.700 I'm like, that's why I support him.

00:32:02.760 He lied.

00:32:03.320 He said, I'm going to come up with a replacement plan in two weeks.

00:32:05.320 It'll come up in two weeks.

00:32:06.420 It'll come up in two months.

00:32:07.440 You don't care?

00:32:08.360 No.

00:32:08.840 I like Obamacare.

00:32:09.440 It's great.

00:32:09.940 So Trump could just lie about anything.

00:32:11.280 He don't care.

00:32:11.800 He could lie about the 2020 election.

00:32:13.420 That's a straw man.

00:32:13.800 You don't care?

00:32:14.720 You don't think that's important for the president of the United States who complains about Obama?

00:32:18.540 I actually don't like Obamacare, but my point is whether Donald Trump replaces or doesn't replace it, the health care system is broken, and it's not Trump's fault that it's broken.

00:32:26.720 So come up with a replacement plan.

00:32:28.180 He's focusing on the things that would actually fix the health care system.

00:32:30.520 And don't say you're going to come up with one.

00:32:32.660 Maybe he's trying to.

00:32:33.300 It's difficult.

00:32:33.600 If you tinker around insurance, you're not going to solve the problem.

00:32:36.880 Nine years.

00:32:37.720 If you just tinker around insurance, you're not going to solve the problem.

00:32:40.180 You need to go at the regulation, the farmer control of the industry, the AMA monopoly on standards, the licensing restrictions.

00:32:48.920 And there's many countries where – I mean it's not even legal to take stem cells here.

00:32:54.300 Right.

00:32:54.600 And it's very, very cheap.

00:32:55.900 If they're your –

00:32:56.860 George W. Bush started that.

00:32:58.380 No, no, no.

00:32:58.720 If they're your stem cells, it is legal.

00:33:00.120 I don't want my stem cells.

00:33:01.200 I want umbilical cord stem cells.

00:33:03.200 My stem cells are useless at this point, okay?

00:33:05.880 That's not technically –

00:33:06.980 No, it's not technically true.

00:33:08.640 So the issue is –

00:33:09.560 There's still benefits.

00:33:11.120 They can extract and then culture your stem cells, but they are nowhere near as effective as umbilical stem cells, and you have to get those in other things.

00:33:18.180 A lot of it is a technology and knowledge question, right?

00:33:20.720 If you just want to – the knowledge that it requires to make the machines, operate the machines, and do various tests, you could bring a full medical checkup down to like a $100 price point.

00:33:33.540 It's just illegal.

00:33:34.940 And we're talking about hospitals being over –

00:33:37.720 I think –

00:33:38.560 If it's flooded, what about the zoning around hospitals?

00:33:40.560 I think there's a cure for diabetes right now.

00:33:42.660 I think there's probably a cure for cancer.

00:33:44.760 I agree with you that stem cell research – I believe that there's so much money involved in curing –

00:33:49.900 A cure for diabetes?

00:33:50.820 I think there probably is.

00:33:51.820 I think that they've done it in monkeys already, recreating a pancreas that can secrete insulin.

00:33:56.420 But why, Tim?

00:33:57.360 Why do we not have the cure out there?

00:33:59.460 Because there's so much money –

00:34:01.040 And curing the disease ends the business.

00:34:02.760 Yeah.

00:34:03.040 Thank you.

00:34:03.620 That's my point.

00:34:04.280 So I agree with you guys on that.

00:34:06.520 That's – my point is –

00:34:07.640 That's the golden goose, right?

00:34:08.600 The problem of healthcare is not a Trump-centric problem.

00:34:11.720 Okay.

00:34:12.000 And Trump's failure to figure out how to solve it is not – it's like, well, I wish he could, I guess.

00:34:16.460 It's also like –

00:34:17.040 It's not about a problem for nine years, but don't come up with any solutions.

00:34:19.220 Well, he already fired 30% of the HHS staff.

00:34:22.420 Those are the bureaucrats making these rules. 1.00

00:34:24.220 My argument is you support a man –

00:34:26.460 Who can't figure out healthcare?

00:34:27.880 Indeed.

00:34:28.180 But has been complaining about it for nine years.

00:34:30.240 I've been complaining about it for nine years, and I can't solve it either.

00:34:32.860 You're not the president.

00:34:34.020 Solve it right now.

00:34:34.580 Tell me.

00:34:35.000 I'm not the president either.

00:34:36.100 You're comparing me to Donald Trump.

00:34:37.200 This is not a real argument.

00:34:38.800 It's not a real argument.

00:34:39.780 It's certainly not a real argument.

00:34:40.720 So complain about something as the president for nine years, but don't have any solutions.

00:34:43.980 And you don't think that's a real argument.

00:34:45.640 Name every single president ever who complained about something and didn't solve the problem.

00:34:48.840 Did Obama come up with Obamacare?

00:34:50.620 Correct me if I'm wrong.

00:34:51.460 I don't know.

00:34:52.040 He worked with Congress on it.

00:34:53.220 They negotiated.

00:34:54.300 Why can't Donald Trump do that?

00:34:55.240 I thought he was the brilliant negotiator.

00:34:56.740 Did Obamacare work?

00:34:58.400 Again, that's –

00:34:59.460 Oh, that one doesn't count.

00:35:01.980 No.

00:35:02.420 Never said it doesn't count. 0.92

00:35:03.460 Obamacare fucked everything up.

00:35:05.480 Okay, so come up with a replacement that won't fuck everything up.

00:35:07.600 I'm not the president.

00:35:08.260 No, you're right.

00:35:09.060 But you support the guy who can't come up with it.

00:35:10.800 Neither could Obama.

00:35:12.480 Obama had his own solution.

00:35:13.740 Oh, actually, this is really great.

00:35:14.760 I'll make the argument. 0.98

00:35:15.640 Obama fucked it up, and Trump's saying, I better not touch that. 0.98

00:35:17.880 I disagree with that. 0.98

00:35:18.600 I don't think Obama quote-unquote fucked it up. 0.83

00:35:20.360 Oh, he certainly fucked it up for me and my family.

00:35:21.980 Okay, you have a right to your opinion. 0.93

00:35:23.380 And I'm pissed about it.

00:35:24.260 And you know what?

00:35:24.900 Trump's saying, I'm not going to touch it.

00:35:26.080 I'm like, I don't know, maybe it's a good thing.

00:35:27.320 So let's give tax breaks to the top 1%.

00:35:29.020 That's a good solution.

00:35:29.760 That's not an argument.

00:35:30.820 No, it's not an argument.

00:35:31.900 You literally just changed the subject.

00:35:33.760 No, I'm on the same subject.

00:35:34.560 He's done it like five times.

00:35:35.740 All he keeps doing is non sequiturs.

00:35:37.420 He brought up the ballroom out of nowhere, so he's bad about DHS.

00:35:41.460 We're talking about health care.

00:35:42.980 The guy who you support for nine years have not come up with any solutions.

00:35:47.200 What are you saying?

00:35:47.920 This doesn't mean anything.

00:35:48.880 You're saying nothing.

00:35:49.980 No, I'm saying everything.

00:35:50.820 Trump just agreed a solution is the bureaucracy.

00:35:52.760 So what could Trump do more on that angle?

00:35:55.280 You don't need Congress.

00:35:56.100 You can just focus on the bureaucracy.

00:35:57.520 What would you suggest that he do to eliminate certain regulations or change certain regulations?

00:36:01.680 What would I suggest that the president does?

00:36:04.560 I'm okay with Obamacare.

00:36:06.300 You're trying to paint me out as, you know, Obamacare is horrible.

00:36:10.900 It's terrible.

00:36:11.560 I think it's saved millions of American lives.

00:36:13.440 I disagree with you.

00:36:14.780 For a lot of different reasons.

00:36:16.060 First of all, there are people that did not have access to health care that have access to it.

00:36:19.840 Now, there's a lot of people that are on Medicaid right now that would never have access to it if not for Obamacare.

00:36:23.780 Let me ask you, how many people is that?

00:36:26.500 How many people what?

00:36:27.400 How many people is that?

00:36:28.680 How many people that he's helped?

00:36:30.420 It's impossible to come up with an exact number.

00:36:32.200 How many people did he hurt?

00:36:33.800 Again, impossible to come up with an exact number.

00:36:36.080 You actually don't know if it's good or bad.

00:36:37.200 I know it's helped me.

00:36:38.280 I know it's helped my family.

00:36:39.440 Okay, so let's just slow down.

00:36:40.940 You don't know the number of people it may have helped or it may have hurt.

00:36:43.420 So why is it bad?

00:36:44.100 How many people have it hurt?

00:36:44.960 Tell me.

00:36:45.460 So I just said it hurt me.

00:36:46.820 Okay.

00:36:47.300 It helped me.

00:36:48.060 Exactly.

00:36:48.340 So if the predicate of the argument is hurt some people, help some people.

00:36:51.960 And we don't know the exact numbers, but you benefited from it.

00:36:54.160 Now, I was hurt by it.

00:36:55.320 Sure.

00:36:55.700 Then we actually don't have a strong position on Obamacare, which was kind of my point.

00:36:59.740 Trump complaining about it, but doing nothing. 0.95

00:37:01.700 I'm kind of like it's kind of a moot point to me because this is health care has been screwed up forever, continues to be screwed up. 0.54

00:37:08.800 So is our border. 0.92

00:37:09.560 Our border has been screwed up forever, too.

00:37:11.140 Why don't you have the same approach to the border?

00:37:13.000 Because he shut down the illegal immigration?

00:37:15.260 Well, I'm just saying for decades.

00:37:17.520 Has it changed?

00:37:18.240 For decades, we've heard the argument.

00:37:20.520 But yet for decades, we've had undocumented immigrants coming into this country, whether it be George W. Bush or Barack Obama or Bill Clinton.

00:37:27.200 We've heard from decades and decades and decades.

00:37:28.940 Now, we'll see how this plays out.

00:37:30.600 Yeah, sure.

00:37:31.020 There's not a lot of undocumented immigrants.

00:37:32.660 Now, Trump's doing a lot about it.

00:37:34.040 Well, he's doing a lot about it.

00:37:35.100 I think he's going about it the wrong way.

00:37:37.240 But at the same time, you know, we could make arguments.

00:37:39.360 What should he do?

00:37:39.800 Well, do what they said they were going to do and let's get the violent criminals out of this country first.

00:37:45.680 That is false.

00:37:46.160 At the RNC, they had signs that said mass deportations now.

00:37:49.200 Mass.

00:37:49.300 Yeah, so this is another fake argument from the left.

00:37:52.120 What do you mean?

00:37:52.480 Donald Trump said that.

00:37:53.200 The Trump administration said that they were going to deport all of them.

00:37:56.680 Tom Homan said their top priority multiple times.

00:37:59.080 Correct.

00:37:59.300 So it's going after.

00:38:00.400 Indeed it is.

00:38:01.380 Okay.

00:38:01.720 And what's your argument that it's not?

00:38:03.620 Because over 60% of the people that are being deported.

00:38:06.060 60% sounds like they're focused, doesn't it?

00:38:07.840 But 6 out of 10 have never committed a violent crime in their life.

00:38:11.240 You're saying 6 out of 10 didn't.

00:38:12.660 What percentage of illegal immigrants are violent criminals?

00:38:14.660 What do you think prioritization means?

00:38:16.300 Do you think it means doing all of them first and then the other ones after?

00:38:18.960 Here's my idea of what prioritization wouldn't be, what they're doing right now, which is going outside of courtrooms, people that are seeking asylum and tackling them and arresting them.

00:38:27.840 That's not – to me, those aren't the people that we should be putting as a priority or sitting outside of home people.

00:38:31.940 Okay, we've got to slow down because once again – so here's – this is what I always find with people who are anti-Trump is you're making a lot of arguments that are not related to each other.

00:38:42.340 You can –

00:38:42.700 Talking about immigration.

00:38:43.220 Let's try this.

00:38:44.160 I have prioritized the field mouse problem in this building and I have told all of the staff here my priority is the field mice. 0.98

00:38:52.760 But one day Tate walks in and I caught a cricket and he goes, what the fuck are you doing to the crickets? 0.99

00:38:57.080 Why the fuck won't you stop the field mice? 0.99

00:38:58.780 And I'm like, bro, we've got the field mouse traps everywhere. 0.99

00:39:00.940 You're just looking at the one instance where I've caught a cricket.

00:39:03.840 Why are you mad at me?

00:39:04.820 There's also more crickets.

00:39:05.960 We're talking about healthcare.

00:39:07.240 We're talking about immigration.

00:39:08.420 What has Donald Trump in the last nine years that has helped us when it comes to our healthcare?

00:39:12.060 You have no examples to prove they are not prioritizing violent criminals.

00:39:16.720 I just gave you the statistic.

00:39:17.820 No, you're telling me that they've gotten people who are not violent criminals who perhaps are easier to apprehend.

00:39:22.860 No, they haven't gotten people.

00:39:23.580 The majority of people that they've apprehended are not violent.

00:39:24.940 Because they're easier to apprehend.

00:39:26.680 But does that mean they're not focused or prioritizing criminals?

00:39:29.180 There's no – you're not making an argument.

00:39:30.860 So getting ICE agents to show up outside of courtrooms is not a question of priority.

00:39:37.000 It's a question of you saw a thing happen.

00:39:39.120 They said they're priority.

00:39:40.680 This is Tom Homan's own word.

00:39:42.440 How many agents are focused on narco gangs, cartels, et cetera?

00:39:46.240 I don't have the numbers.

00:39:47.280 Exactly.

00:39:48.140 You're not making an argument.

00:39:49.560 More people have been deported that are nonviolent criminals.

00:39:51.420 That's not related to what you're saying.

00:39:54.040 I figured the prioritization would be around tracking and identification.

00:39:55.160 I think you lack the cognitive ability to connect the dots.

00:39:57.640 No, I think I do, and I think this comes down to –

00:39:59.780 Okay, let's try this again.

00:40:00.840 A priority doesn't mean the outcome is guaranteed.

00:40:03.800 I understand that.

00:40:04.680 So pointing out a bunch of nonviolent criminal aliens were arrested doesn't mean they're not prioritizing violent criminal aliens.

00:40:12.040 Okay, well, it doesn't appear to me that they are.

00:40:13.900 But that's, again, that's an opinion and not an argument.

00:40:16.040 Well, if you think that they are, then you're entitled to your opinion.

00:40:18.360 But I don't believe that they are.

00:40:20.040 When you're tackling people and nonviolent criminals outside of courthouses in front of Home Depot or teachers, I've seen the videos.

00:40:26.600 Again, not a question of priority.

00:40:27.200 That's easy.

00:40:27.560 You don't even need to track anybody for that.

00:40:29.220 They're showing up to the courthouse and telling you who they are.

00:40:32.140 And that's not a question of priority.

00:40:33.360 These things you're pointing out are two different situations.

00:40:37.580 You also – you pointed out that 40% of those deported are violent criminals.

00:40:41.820 That's outsized from the percentage of legal immigrants that are here that are actually violent criminals. 1.00

00:40:44.920 So Trump is actually punching above his weight when it comes to deporting violent criminals.

00:40:48.500 I want violent criminals out of this country.

00:40:51.000 I agree on that.

00:40:52.240 So he's doing really well.

00:40:53.160 Hold on a second.

00:40:54.680 So you want accountability for criminals.

00:40:56.960 Is that right, Tim?

00:40:58.060 Yes.

00:40:58.560 Okay.

00:40:59.160 Then why would you support a 34-count felon?

00:41:01.220 He's not a felon.

00:41:01.900 This is the craziest whataboutism I've ever seen.

00:41:03.800 What was he charged with?

00:41:04.400 Not whataboutism.

00:41:05.020 What's the criminal charge?

00:41:06.340 Is he a 34-count felon, convicted felon?

00:41:08.180 Yes or no?

00:41:08.740 No.

00:41:08.980 Yes, he is.

00:41:09.580 No, he's not.

00:41:09.960 He wasn't sentenced, but he was convicted by a jury.

00:41:12.540 Was he not?

00:41:13.820 It's not.

00:41:14.220 Was he found guilty or not guilty of 34 counts?

00:41:16.640 What were the charges?

00:41:17.700 I'm asking you a question.

00:41:18.720 The answer is no.

00:41:19.260 Why do you answer the – maybe you're the one with the cognitive difficulty.

00:41:21.580 The answer is no.

00:41:22.420 The answer is no.

00:41:23.280 The answer is no again, no again, no again.

00:41:24.960 Now tell me what he was charged with.

00:41:25.840 So wait, the jury did not find Donald Trump guilty?

00:41:29.820 Correct, yes.

00:41:33.440 I mean, the earth isn't flat, Tim.

00:41:35.300 What was he charged with?

00:41:37.340 Wait, you just said a jury did not find him guilty.

00:41:40.080 Indeed, that's correct.

00:41:40.920 Where are you getting that from?

00:41:42.180 Because Trump was never actually charged with any real crimes.

00:41:44.840 Okay, so you're saying –

00:41:46.300 Hold on, hold on.

00:41:47.280 Is your argument – did a group of people come together and –

00:41:49.420 Whether you agree or not is not the question, okay?

00:41:51.680 Well, so we're having a conversation on the logic and the facts of the matter.

00:41:55.520 And the facts of the matter is Trump was not legitimately charged with any crime.

00:41:58.900 So he can't be found guilty.

00:42:00.280 That's your opinion?

00:42:00.760 That's your opinion.

00:42:01.280 It's a fact.

00:42:01.860 Okay, it's a fact.

00:42:02.800 It is indeed a fact.

00:42:03.440 So a jury found him guilty.

00:42:04.400 Of what?

00:42:04.680 You're wrong.

00:42:05.080 Of what?

00:42:05.360 Okay.

00:42:05.620 Of what?

00:42:05.900 You say 34 count of what?

00:42:07.280 Of what?

00:42:07.720 Okay, did he not –

00:42:09.020 Of what?

00:42:09.380 I'm answering it.

00:42:10.100 I'm answering it.

00:42:10.780 Did he not make up and falsify business records?

00:42:13.680 He did not.

00:42:14.300 He did not.

00:42:15.040 That wasn't the case.

00:42:16.400 Did you watch – did you check?

00:42:17.480 I did.

00:42:17.960 I did.

00:42:18.200 So who actually was accused of it?

00:42:19.580 So he didn't break the law?

00:42:20.200 Who was accused of it?

00:42:20.880 He didn't break the law?

00:42:21.880 He did not.

00:42:23.180 Perhaps maybe –

00:42:23.700 So in your opinion –

00:42:24.840 Oh, perhaps maybe.

00:42:25.460 Perhaps maybe –

00:42:25.820 No, no, no, no.

00:42:26.580 Okay, stop. 1.00

00:42:27.120 I'm going to mute you if you try and play that stupid stuff because you interrupt me while 0.99

00:42:30.820 I'm making the point that perhaps maybe – 1.00

00:42:32.600 Go ahead.

00:42:32.620 I'm listening.

00:42:32.900 Perhaps maybe it was a misdemeanor, falsification of business records from his CFO.

00:42:38.940 Perhaps maybe.

00:42:40.140 Don't cut me off when I say perhaps maybe to change the context of what I'm saying.

00:42:44.140 Donald Trump was accused of misdemeanor, falsification of business records by instructing a lower

00:42:49.980 staffer.

00:42:50.580 We don't know he actually instructed, all because of Cohen making a claim about paying

00:42:56.240 Stormy Daniels.

00:42:57.640 This cannot be upgraded to a felony because it's what's called requiring an underlying crime,

00:43:03.200 which never in the history of the United States has been done before.

00:43:06.260 Donald Trump, in this charge, was convicted falsely –

00:43:10.800 In your opinion?

00:43:11.520 It's not an opinion.

00:43:12.700 It is a fact.

00:43:13.680 So the judge got it wrong.

00:43:14.780 Indeed.

00:43:15.100 The courts got it wrong.

00:43:16.240 Absolutely.

00:43:16.860 But you got it right.

00:43:17.420 What was the underlying crime?

00:43:19.080 The problem I have – 1.00

00:43:19.980 Answer the fucking question. 1.00

00:43:21.720 What was the underlying crime? 1.00

00:43:22.760 Yes.

00:43:23.640 34 counts.

00:43:24.620 Of what?

00:43:25.220 Okay.

00:43:25.780 Falsifying business records was certainly one of them.

00:43:27.160 Underlying crime.

00:43:28.000 Name it.

00:43:28.740 I don't have it right in front of me.

00:43:30.000 There isn't one.

00:43:30.920 Okay.

00:43:31.260 But –

00:43:31.640 Okay, so you're saying that the judge got it wrong, the jury got it wrong, he had the

00:43:34.860 right to defend himself in a courtroom.

00:43:35.200 For the love of all that is holy, this is the problem with this country.

00:43:38.180 Y'all got it wrong.

00:43:39.000 What is the underlying crime?

00:43:40.220 Tim, he was convicted in a court of law, Tim.

00:43:42.440 What?

00:43:42.800 Oh, my God.

00:43:44.400 What is the underlying crime?

00:43:45.960 What is the underlying crime?

00:43:47.620 Okay, let's –

00:43:48.120 Stop, stop, stop.

00:43:48.980 I think Tim wants you to point it out.

00:43:50.520 Wait, wait, wait.

00:43:51.260 Go ahead.

00:43:52.580 Go ahead.

00:43:53.640 What was he charged with?

00:43:54.720 Just give me the sentence.

00:43:55.620 Give me the single phrase.

00:43:57.060 What I know is that he was a 34-count felon convicted in a court of law.

00:43:59.980 Oh, my God.

00:44:00.860 That's what I know.

00:44:01.660 What was he charged with?

00:44:03.180 I don't have the case.

00:44:03.300 I don't have the case right in front of me.

00:44:04.640 You don't know.

00:44:05.180 I don't have the case right in front of me.

00:44:05.940 You are in a cult.

00:44:07.200 I'm in a cultist.

00:44:08.460 How am I a cultist?

00:44:09.340 You don't know what you're talking about, and you're zealously arguing for it.

00:44:12.320 I don't know what I'm talking about.

00:44:13.580 You're the one who just looked me in the eye and told me that a jury did not find him guilty.

00:44:17.220 Now, you can –

00:44:17.620 Stop, stop, stop, stop.

00:44:18.300 Let's try this again.

00:44:18.920 You can disagree with it.

00:44:19.240 What was he charged with?

00:44:20.100 Again, you don't know.

00:44:21.280 Do you –

00:44:21.460 Again.

00:44:22.000 Do you know or do you not know?

00:44:22.920 He falsified business records, okay?

00:44:24.800 What's the charge?

00:44:25.800 I don't have the charges right in front of me.

00:44:26.920 You don't know, do you?

00:44:28.020 I don't –

00:44:28.300 Maybe you should then say, I don't know.

00:44:30.560 Maybe – how about you say this?

00:44:31.340 I don't know.

00:44:31.640 You can tell me what the charges are, but he was still convicted in a court of law.

00:44:35.420 Do you want to say I don't know?

00:44:36.340 You can disagree with it.

00:44:36.920 I don't have it right in front of me.

00:44:38.480 That doesn't mean that I'm wrong with what I'm saying.

00:44:40.420 It certainly does because you don't know what you're talking about.

00:44:43.240 So he wasn't found guilty in a court of law.

00:44:45.500 He was not found guilty in a court of law –

00:44:47.680 That's the only point I was making.

00:44:48.460 Of a criminal action for which falsification was an aggravated factor.

00:44:55.240 You don't know what you're talking about.

00:44:57.100 I don't know what I'm talking about.

00:44:58.020 It is one of the most controversial cases in U.S. history where for the first time an aggravated charge was placed without the government proving an underlying case.

00:45:08.620 They upgraded misdemeanors which require an underlying crime, but they never proved a crime actually happened.

00:45:15.560 Then why couldn't his attorneys prove that in a court of law?

00:45:17.740 They did!

00:45:18.900 Bro, this is why it's under appeal and they have not issued a sentence yet.

00:45:22.260 So in our country –

00:45:23.520 You don't know what you're talking about.

00:45:24.580 I don't know what I'm talking about.

00:45:25.640 Here's what I do.

00:45:26.140 You can't even name the charges.

00:45:27.760 You don't know who is –

00:45:28.800 Just because I can't name the charges doesn't mean he wasn't convicted in a court of law.

00:45:31.720 Who falsified the records?

00:45:33.440 Well, he didn't falsify the records per se, but people that were doing –

00:45:37.400 Okay, all right.

00:45:38.100 Let's slow down and calm down.

00:45:39.980 You don't know the facts of the case.

00:45:42.380 Do you know all the facts of the case?

00:45:43.700 I know a good plenty of –

00:45:45.100 You have more evidence than what the jury heard?

00:45:46.880 I have a good plenty of more evidence than you'd have found my arguments.

00:45:50.300 Okay, but did you have the evidence that the jury had?

00:45:52.500 Indeed.

00:45:52.900 It was all released.

00:45:53.760 Oh, you had all the evidence that the jury saw?

00:45:56.140 So we're not going to speak in absolutes.

00:45:58.780 The American public was privy to the information and the jury testimony and juries gave –

00:46:02.900 All right, so he's innocent.

00:46:03.720 He didn't do anything wrong.

00:46:04.960 The left one after him.

00:46:06.120 It was George Soros.

00:46:06.700 Make a real argument.

00:46:07.460 Okay, sure.

00:46:08.120 You have a six-year-old daughter, right?

00:46:09.820 Which, by the way, congratulations.

00:46:10.800 No, I don't.

00:46:11.300 Oh, I thought you had a daughter.

00:46:12.320 I do, but she's not six.

00:46:13.680 Well, thank – by the way, congratulations on that.

00:46:15.760 I appreciate it.

00:46:17.380 Now we're nice again.

00:46:18.880 I like good spirited debates.

00:46:21.040 I like this stuff.

00:46:22.680 So, Tim, if your daughter was 12 – I don't know how old she is, but if she was 12 or 13 years old and she was in a pageant and a creepy man went in there without her permission and talked about it sexually on the Howard Stern show, which he did.

00:46:35.900 Hold on, hold on.

00:46:36.680 Yep.

00:46:37.880 I don't know what's funny about that.

00:46:39.140 Are we just talking about the court case?

00:46:42.000 We're talking about the moral aspect of Donald Trump now because we've talked about morals. 1.00

00:46:45.480 Oh, he's a pig. 1.00

00:46:46.580 Okay. 1.00

00:46:47.260 Yeah.

00:46:47.480 He's got serious decorum problems and attitude problems.

00:46:51.440 Forget about the –

00:46:52.120 He did stop World War III though. 0.68

00:46:53.640 Forget about the legal argument for a moment, okay?

00:46:56.440 Forget about the legalities of Donald Trump.

00:46:58.040 I'm just asking –

00:46:58.520 So, he's not a felon.

00:46:59.160 Why should we forget about that?

00:47:00.280 Well, because I'm asking about morals now.

00:47:02.000 I'm talking about the moral aspect of why I don't support him, okay?

00:47:04.760 And I'm trying to have a conversation with you about morals.

00:47:07.940 Are you comfortable – you're comfortable with the leader of the free world being a liable sexual abuser who's had dozens of women that have accused him of rape or sexual assault, including his ex-wife in court documents? 0.84

00:47:16.820 That's all bad.

00:47:17.540 It's all really – it's kind of really bad, isn't it?

00:47:19.520 You know what?

00:47:19.840 You know what?

00:47:20.340 I have trouble with the United States of America, especially because Barack Obama murdered a 16-year-old American citizen by bombing a civilian restaurant in Yemen.

00:47:29.960 What about-ism? 0.86

00:47:30.780 I asked you a question about Donald Trump.

00:47:32.380 I agree with you.

00:47:33.920 So, why would you support somebody like that?

00:47:35.960 You're okay with that? 0.69

00:47:36.660 For the same reason that people probably support Obama murdering children.

00:47:39.940 What was it about Kamala – name me one thing that Kamala Harris has done in her life that's not bad. 0.99

00:47:42.880 Let's slow down and say the issue at hand is we always call this the lesser of two evils.

00:47:47.400 And we could take a look at Donald Trump being slovenly and perverted and whatever you want to call him. 0.90

00:47:53.680 And these are bad things.

00:47:54.620 And I'm like, wow, this is why I didn't vote for him in 2016.

00:47:57.400 And then you can take a look at what else you're up against.

00:47:59.780 And you've got Joe Biden, warmongering crony who sold out this country to his brother for Iraqi contracts and 10 percent of the big guy and the list goes on.

00:48:08.060 You can take a look at the extension of the Obama administration where Obama killed tons of children.

00:48:14.400 He has the record for most children murdered by a Nobel Peace Prize holder.

00:48:18.940 And most notably was the extrajudicial assassinations of Anwar al-Awlaki and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.

00:48:24.740 Now, you can make the arguments about Anwar al-Awlaki being a jihadi, but he wasn't American, and we have due process.

00:48:29.420 But then you get Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who was a 16-year-old American citizen who was at a civilian restaurant in Yemen, and Obama blew him up.

00:48:35.680 And when Obama was asked about it, he said, whoops, whoops. 0.98

00:48:38.540 And so they come to me and say, Trump's a pig, and I'm like, you got that right. 0.98

00:48:41.840 And then I've got to choose who I'm voting for on this one. 0.99

00:48:44.300 And I'm going to tell you, you know what? 1.00

00:48:45.520 They all suck. 1.00

00:48:46.480 Well, Trump didn't run against Barack Obama, and I didn't vote for Barack Obama. 1.00

00:48:50.020 I'm not here to defend Barack Obama.

00:48:51.240 No, I'm talking about Joe Biden.

00:48:51.920 I'm asking about Donald Trump because you support Donald Trump.

00:48:54.200 Indeed. 0.99

00:48:54.720 And you're okay with supporting a pig who probably sexually abused a lot of people, who was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. 0.99

00:49:00.300 He was best friends with— 0.99

00:49:00.900 Now you're making things up.

00:49:01.680 Found liable in a court of law for sexually abusing E.G. Carroll.

00:49:04.900 His own wife—

00:49:05.340 You want to play this game?

00:49:05.840 His own wife.

00:49:06.660 It's not a game.

00:49:07.480 You don't know the facts of the case.

00:49:09.100 Okay, well, let's talk about the 24, 25 other wins.

00:49:11.800 No, no, no, let's do the E.G. Carroll thing.

00:49:13.420 So Barack Obama—

00:49:14.380 Tell me what happened.

00:49:14.740 So hold on.

00:49:16.480 No, no, you brought it up. 0.96

00:49:17.200 Barack Obama is a murderer, and yet he was never convicted.

00:49:20.640 It never was shown in a court of law. 0.96

00:49:22.640 Nothing ever proven, but you can make blatant statements, Tim.

00:49:25.460 I'm not retarded. 0.99

00:49:26.280 I'm not retarded either, okay? 0.98

00:49:27.640 I'm a pretty smart guy.

00:49:28.300 When a court of law says a thing is true, that doesn't mean it's true.

00:49:31.700 Gotcha. 0.97

00:49:32.040 So unproven in a court of law, but Barack Obama's a murderer, and you're totally okay saying that. 0.71

00:49:36.520 But Donald Trump never sexually abused anybody, even though liably found guilty in a court of law.

00:49:40.420 Let's slow down a minute.

00:49:41.860 See, this is—

00:49:42.300 I'm just asking you.

00:49:42.960 This is the issue with liberals.

00:49:44.200 You don't know—

00:49:44.600 I'm not a liberal.

00:49:45.240 You don't know what you're talking about.

00:49:46.180 I'm a registered independent.

00:49:47.920 You just called me a liberal.

00:49:49.080 Let's be factually accurate, Tim.

00:49:50.440 The left.

00:49:50.920 Okay, I'm not the left.

00:49:51.800 You don't know the facts.

00:49:52.120 I didn't vote for Obama.

00:49:53.020 I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton.

00:49:53.660 You are a left.

00:49:54.460 Okay, well, you can say that, and I can call you a hard MAGA right, but it doesn't mean that you're right.

00:49:58.900 But there's clearly distinct factions in the culture war, and there's a left and a right, which defines the overwhelming—

00:50:03.380 I don't like sexual abusers.

00:50:04.720 I would never vote for somebody like that. 0.53

00:50:06.280 Yeah, I wouldn't either.

00:50:07.120 Well, you did.

00:50:07.800 No, I didn't.

00:50:08.300 Okay, so Donald Trump never sexually abused anybody.

00:50:10.680 So the 25 women lied.

00:50:12.580 His own ex-wife in court documents in a deposition. 0.86

00:50:15.580 Under oath, his ex-wife said that he raped her, Tim. 0.86

00:50:19.260 You know what your issue is? 0.98

00:50:20.240 He went into teenage girls' locker rooms without their permission.

00:50:22.800 Bad things.

00:50:23.280 Yeah, bad things.

00:50:23.800 Oh, that's just bad.

00:50:24.860 Those are real bad things.

00:50:26.120 Those are real bad things.

00:50:26.500 Locking the keys in my car is a bad thing.

00:50:28.200 That's despicable.

00:50:29.140 So tell me the case.

00:50:30.800 You have a daughter.

00:50:31.320 Well, hold on a second.

00:50:31.980 I just talked about going into teenage girls' locker rooms.

00:50:32.860 No, you don't know what you're talking about.

00:50:34.180 I don't?

00:50:34.640 You don't.

00:50:35.200 Donald Trump bragged about it on the Howard Stern Show.

00:50:37.360 Tell me the case.

00:50:38.240 Which case?

00:50:38.740 E. Jean Carroll?

00:50:39.360 E. Jean Carroll.

00:50:40.100 So you want to go through the case—

00:50:41.320 You said proven in a court case.

00:50:43.100 I said tell me about it.

00:50:43.680 Well, the jury found him liable.

00:50:44.860 You can't.

00:50:45.640 The jury found him liable.

00:50:46.980 You can't.

00:50:47.500 The jury did.

00:50:48.280 They found him liable.

00:50:49.980 Okay, I'm going to try this one more time.

00:50:52.600 If you keep making non sequiturs—

00:50:54.460 It's not a non sequitur.

00:50:55.860 It is, because I asked you a question.

00:50:57.560 You've ignored it.

00:50:58.800 I haven't ignored it.

00:50:59.360 What was the case?

00:51:01.500 I don't—

00:51:01.940 So here's what I know about the case, okay?

00:51:04.020 It's very simple.

00:51:04.800 Yeah.

00:51:05.140 Unlike Barack Obama, which you had mentioned he's a murderer, you don't want to talk about

00:51:08.940 the fact that that's never been proven in a court of law, but you're still—

00:51:11.560 What does that have to do with what I asked you?

00:51:12.880 Tell me about the E. Jean Carroll case.

00:51:14.720 Because a jury found him liable for sexual abuse.

00:51:17.880 I don't have to know everything about the case and present it to you.

00:51:21.860 No, I believe in our justice system.

00:51:23.640 Okay, let's do this.

00:51:24.080 I believe in our justice system.

00:51:25.020 Here's how I operate.

00:51:26.120 I will hear a claim, and I will fact check it.

00:51:27.900 Sure.

00:51:28.080 And try and dig through the facts to see if there's merit.

00:51:30.320 You will believe what you're told.

00:51:31.780 So everything on the right, when it comes to Donald Trump, there's no merit to it, even

00:51:35.120 though he's a convicted 34-count felon, but those were made up—

00:51:38.660 Right, sure.

00:51:39.440 You don't even know the crime.

00:51:40.780 I don't have to know the crime to know that a jury found him guilty in a court of law.

00:51:45.520 You can disagree with the outcome.

00:51:46.500 You do.

00:51:46.920 I disagree with the OJC— 0.82

00:51:48.040 Nelson Mandela was a criminal, too.

00:51:49.480 He got locked up.

00:51:50.220 Hey, sometimes the justice system gets it wrong.

00:51:52.440 I think we could agree on that.

00:51:53.360 So if you don't—

00:51:54.180 Not my type is a better defense than the glove doesn't fit, I think.

00:51:56.980 I think the question—you know what?

00:51:59.340 We can just pause right here and say, to everybody who's listening, I think my point

00:52:03.900 is I can tell you the facts of these cases and why I have doubts, and you don't know

00:52:08.000 anything about them.

00:52:08.920 So here's a fact. 0.91

00:52:10.760 Donald Trump is a 34-count felon. 0.68

00:52:12.600 You can disagree with it, but—well, you can say incorrect until the cows come home.

00:52:15.900 He wasn't sentenced, but he was convicted on 34 felony counts.

00:52:18.820 Now, you can disagree with that.

00:52:19.920 Okay, you can disagree with it.

00:52:20.580 Name the crime.

00:52:21.260 That's fine.

00:52:21.780 Name the crime.

00:52:22.160 You don't have to name the crime.

00:52:23.040 Yes, you do.

00:52:23.360 I'm a 34-count felon.

00:52:24.240 You have to name the crime.

00:52:24.980 Okay, well, listen—

00:52:25.800 So again, I will say it to the audience.

00:52:27.340 He doesn't even know what the charge was.

00:52:29.200 He doesn't know who was accused of falsifying what—

00:52:31.180 I named you a few.

00:52:31.760 I don't have all 34 charges in front of me, but it doesn't—just because I can't

00:52:34.840 name the charges—

00:52:35.560 Wouldn't it be prudent of you to actually investigate these things before parroting

00:52:38.540 them to a large audience?

00:52:39.700 I'm not parroting them.

00:52:40.740 All I'm simply saying—

00:52:41.400 You can't even explain what your position is.

00:52:42.980 Just because—okay, here's my—

00:52:44.360 What did Trump—

00:52:44.880 Okay, let me try this.

00:52:46.260 Let me try this.

00:52:46.620 Let's hold on.

00:52:47.260 Why do you—what do you think Trump did wrong in that case?

00:52:50.000 You're talking about E. Gene Carroll, or are you talking about—

00:52:53.780 No, the business records case.

00:52:56.360 What did he do wrong?

00:52:57.680 Well, falsifying business records was what he was charged with.

00:53:00.040 No, no.

00:53:00.240 What specifically did he do wrong?

00:53:01.920 What specifically—

00:53:02.520 What do you take issue with?

00:53:03.980 Falsifying records.

00:53:05.180 Falsifying records.

00:53:05.780 Which records?

00:53:06.640 I'm asking you the specifics of what did you find that he did wrong.

00:53:08.900 So here's my—

00:53:09.560 Here's my point.

00:53:10.640 You don't have an answer for it?

00:53:11.460 I'm going to answer it for you.

00:53:12.240 Are you going to give me a specific example, or are you going to change the subject again?

00:53:14.900 I'm not changing the subject.

00:53:15.740 We're talking about this.

00:53:16.640 So what did Trump do wrong?

00:53:18.060 Say, Trump did thing.

00:53:19.180 Tell me.

00:53:19.460 Okay, here's the answer that I'm going to give you.

00:53:22.800 I don't know all the ins and outs of this case.

00:53:25.820 Well, then why are we talking?

00:53:27.000 Here's what I do know.

00:53:28.600 Regardless of what your opinions are on the case and what you might think are valid that

00:53:32.880 he didn't do anything wrong, what you might think are valid that he never sexually abused

00:53:35.960 a woman, here's the bottom line, whether you like it or not. 1.00

00:53:39.060 A jury found him guilty on 34 counts that you obviously disagree with.

00:53:43.480 Whether I know the ins and outs of the case is irrelevant.

00:53:45.500 The fact of the matter is, is that he is a 34 count felon. 0.98

00:53:49.720 The fact of the matter is that he's a liable sexual abuser. 1.00

00:53:52.440 Liable. 0.94

00:53:52.740 Actually, in order, so this is actually legally distinct, to be-

00:53:55.760 He wasn't sentenced.

00:53:56.560 I understand.

00:53:56.980 Therefore, he's not a felon.

00:53:57.840 I understand that.

00:53:58.660 That has to be the final-

00:53:59.880 I understand that.

00:54:00.180 So he's not a felon.

00:54:00.800 I've said that multiple times.

00:54:01.540 No, we agree he's not a felon.

00:54:02.580 Okay.

00:54:03.360 The reason why he wasn't sentenced is because he won the presidency.

00:54:07.000 Well, it's under appeal, actually.

00:54:08.180 And it's been over a year since the appellate court was prepared to issue their role.

00:54:11.600 I'll tell you what, if he wins his appeal, I will come on this show and I will say,

00:54:15.660 Tim, I was wrong.

00:54:17.180 You were right.

00:54:17.760 Hold on, hold on.

00:54:18.280 We agree, though.

00:54:18.980 He's not yet a felon until he's sentenced.

00:54:20.400 He wasn't sentenced.

00:54:21.220 I've said that multiple times.

00:54:23.560 A jury convicted him on 34 felony counts.

00:54:27.480 Of what?

00:54:28.380 Again, there you go back again, trying to quiz me on what the-

00:54:31.220 Okay, I'm going to-

00:54:32.180 Here's my point.

00:54:33.240 I don't-

00:54:34.360 That's the only point I'm trying to make.

00:54:35.660 I don't know why you're here.

00:54:37.600 I don't know what you mean.

00:54:38.680 We're not debating.

00:54:40.140 Okay, well-

00:54:41.040 Like, it debates like this.

00:54:42.360 Donald Trump did a backflip, and here's why it was wrong.

00:54:44.840 Well, actually, backflips have been long protected.

00:54:46.840 I'm saying, Donald Trump was accused of these specific things, and you say, I don't know,

00:54:49.980 I don't know.

00:54:50.640 And I'm like, okay, then we're not having a debate.

00:54:52.340 No.

00:54:52.540 You're just saying, I read in the news Trump was convicted, and I say, okay.

00:54:55.020 Okay, well-

00:54:55.480 I think it's important to drill down, because then you can compare it to other similar situations

00:54:59.380 and whether people have been charged by that, and then that's the way that you can suss

00:55:03.100 out whether it was lawfare or something unusual.

00:55:04.980 Indeed, but even outside of that, it's that when an individual is convicted of a crime,

00:55:09.180 it is prudent of a society to analyze whether or not this is a legitimate use of the judiciary,

00:55:14.460 of our legal system.

00:55:16.640 So you don't like people that accuse other people of things.

00:55:18.540 And the point I'm making is, I don't believe law dictates morality.

00:55:23.300 I don't believe just because something is legal, it is correct.

00:55:25.820 And I don't blindly trust when an authority figure says, trust me, this person's bad.

00:55:30.760 That's why I oppose the death penalty, because there's going to be some authority figure says, 0.98

00:55:34.600 you don't need the fact of the case, kill this man. 0.89

00:55:37.240 I'm going to say no.

00:55:38.740 So in the issue of Donald Trump in New York, he was not actually legitimately charged under

00:55:43.700 any crime, and it's unprecedented in U.S. history.

00:55:47.700 Trump was charged under 34 counts of misdemeanor, falsification of business records with no

00:55:53.640 underlying crime.

00:55:55.460 They then said, OK, I guess, upgrade it to a felony.

00:55:59.300 Everybody said, well, hold on a minute.

00:56:01.100 This is why it's currently an appeal, because Trump was never actually charged with the

00:56:04.760 underlying crime required for an aggravated charge.

00:56:07.420 It's never happened before.

00:56:09.340 So let's just say you're 100 percent right and I'm 100 percent wrong.

00:56:12.920 Let's just assume that for a moment.

00:56:14.460 I'm not quite sure, but let's just assume that for a moment.

00:56:17.280 I was talking also about the moralities of the case, and you were asking me about E.

00:56:21.400 Jean Carroll.

00:56:23.100 And while I don't want to go into the details of that case, I wasn't there.

00:56:27.580 You don't know either.

00:56:28.600 OK, but he was, again, it goes back to what I said earlier.

00:56:31.020 What was he accused of doing?

00:56:31.900 He was found liable for sexual abuse.

00:56:34.140 What does that mean?

00:56:34.860 What did he do? 0.95

00:56:35.440 The judge characterized it as rape, as penetrating her with his fingers. 0.56

00:56:38.780 A jury found that he was liable.

00:56:40.620 Now, I wasn't there.

00:56:42.020 You weren't there, but here's what I do know.

00:56:44.380 What year did it take place?

00:56:45.140 I don't recall.

00:56:46.160 It was many years ago.

00:56:47.380 It was 30 years ago.

00:56:48.540 But the point is, he has a track record with how he has treated women from a moral standpoint.

00:56:53.080 How was it – let me ask you this question.

00:56:54.200 How was it that E. Jean Carroll was able to bring a case 30 years after the fact? 0.96

00:56:57.600 You're asking me how?

00:56:58.880 It's very important to the case.

00:56:59.980 OK, well, let's –

00:57:00.480 It's actually a key component. 0.62

00:57:01.080 So by your argument, Bill Cosby's never raped anybody before.

00:57:04.380 I asked you a question.

00:57:05.460 And by your logic, because it was 30 years ago, it couldn't have happened?

00:57:09.280 Why are you asking me that?

00:57:10.200 You're changing the subject again.

00:57:11.680 No, you're asking me 30 years. 0.99

00:57:13.520 I think the issue is you're so ignorant on these issues. 0.99

00:57:16.220 I don't think I'm ignorant at all. 0.99

00:57:18.000 I think you're –

00:57:18.480 So then what was the pretext?

00:57:20.000 You're unwilling to put any responsibility on Donald Trump or anything.

00:57:22.400 What was the pretext?

00:57:23.140 Trump is wrong. 0.94

00:57:23.780 Trump is bad.

00:57:24.480 We've already agreed. 0.65

00:57:25.340 He's done bad things.

00:57:25.960 Bad and illegal are different things.

00:57:27.520 So let's – and this is a liability case, not a legality case.

00:57:30.400 It's not a criminal case.

00:57:31.120 Sure.

00:57:31.480 So the pretext by which the case came about is extremely important in law.

00:57:35.720 And I'm asking you the details because you don't know.

00:57:38.120 I presume you don't know.

00:57:39.480 And that's why you hold this position.

00:57:40.700 OK.

00:57:41.000 All I said to you – and you want to quiz me on these cases, but all I –

00:57:44.180 You don't know what you're talking about.

00:57:45.640 OK. 0.97

00:57:45.660 Tim, is he a liable sexual abuser? 0.61

00:57:47.900 Yes or no?

00:57:48.300 No.

00:57:49.400 So he's not a felon.

00:57:50.740 He's not a liable sexual abuser.

00:57:53.060 Oh, well, actually, let me clarify. 0.99

00:57:54.980 If I get three guys to come in here with badges on and they say you're a rapist, are you a rapist? 0.90

00:58:00.620 If I'm found liable in a court of law, I could be liable for sexual abuse. 0.91

00:58:04.560 I mean, what if –

00:58:05.320 I'm pretty sure if three cops came in here and it was presented in a courtroom, my attorneys would defend me and I would –

00:58:09.680 What if I paid off a judge?

00:58:11.740 Oh, so you're saying Trump paid off – or I'm sorry.

00:58:14.100 No, I'm not.

00:58:15.080 I'm asking you a question to understand your moral worldview.

00:58:18.000 That's not a non-secret.

00:58:18.920 I'm asking you a question to determine what your moral worldview is.

00:58:21.800 Sure, sure, sure.

00:58:22.460 You keep changing the subject and interrupting when I ask these questions.

00:58:25.240 Apologies.

00:58:25.740 Go ahead.

00:58:26.180 If a judge is bribed and sentenced you – finds you liable of rape, are you a rapist?

00:58:31.340 If it's proven that a judge has been bribed, then obviously you would probably win on appeal, right?

00:58:36.180 What if the judge brought the case ill –

00:58:37.560 Is that right?

00:58:38.080 Is that fair?

00:58:38.780 Well, perhaps you would. 0.99

00:58:40.120 I mean, the question was, would you be a rapist?

00:58:42.680 Would you consider a person to be a rapist if a judge was paid off to do it?

00:58:45.220 Not if it's proven that a judge was paid off.

00:58:46.920 But we don't know.

00:58:48.500 Was a judge paid off?

00:58:49.680 In this instance – we don't know.

00:58:50.860 I'm just asking you.

00:58:51.440 In a circumstance where a judge is – it's not a legitimate ruling.

00:58:53.860 If it's –

00:58:54.140 The ruling itself –

00:58:54.720 Yeah, I'm answering your question.

00:58:55.320 That's merit.

00:58:55.840 I'm answering your question.

00:58:56.600 If it's proven, obviously, that if a judge is paid off, then obviously –

00:58:59.720 What if a judge brought the case illicitly?

00:59:01.960 Meaning it wasn't actually able to be brought into a court, but he did anyway.

00:59:05.100 Okay.

00:59:05.480 So being bribed and your opinion of being illicitly brought are two completely different things.

00:59:09.560 So I'm asking these questions.

00:59:11.080 If a judge brought forth a case – or I should say, a case was brought to a judge that did

00:59:15.700 not have legal merit to be entered into court of law – we're doing anyway – and then 0.97

00:59:20.040 said, you're a rapist. 0.98

00:59:21.380 Is that legitimate? 1.00

00:59:22.680 I know where you're going with this.

00:59:24.320 Where am I going?

00:59:24.780 Well, you're making the case that that's what happened here in the E. Gene Carroll case.

00:59:29.060 I'm trying to suss out your moral worldview on when do you determine that an act of a

00:59:33.820 judiciary is not actually legal?

00:59:36.340 If that's proven.

00:59:37.740 If it could be proven that way.

00:59:39.200 So the court – so –

00:59:41.140 Yep.

00:59:41.480 You asked me the judge question.

00:59:42.780 I gave you my –

00:59:43.300 The point of this is if your argument is the very blanket, a guy said a thing, we can

00:59:48.820 certainly agree a guy said a thing.

00:59:50.300 If the question is, did Trump in a legitimate setting face these claims and convictions,

00:59:58.020 the answer is no.

00:59:59.260 And I can break it all down fact by fact, detail by detail.

01:00:02.160 Specifically with the E. Gene Carroll case, there's numerous factors as to why this is

01:00:07.900 meritless.

01:00:09.020 Notably, that the New York state legislature passed – it might have been – I think

01:00:12.560 it was the state – passed a law allowing claims beyond the statute of limitations for

01:00:17.580 a period of one year to be brought up for civil action.

01:00:21.440 The only person who picked it up was E. Gene Carroll, and then it disappeared.

01:00:25.140 This is lawfare.

01:00:26.580 Additionally, E. Gene Carroll's story made literally no sense.

01:00:30.740 She claimed to have been wearing clothes that didn't exist.

01:00:32.960 She claimed to have access to rooms that she did not have access to.

01:00:35.580 And Trump, the most famous man in New York, instead of going into his hotel across the

01:00:40.860 street from the Bergdorf Goodman, went into a crowded building where there was no one for

01:00:44.240 this one period for no reason.

01:00:45.820 None of it made sense.

01:00:47.160 And we can sit here and say, well, that story is certainly strange.

01:00:50.520 But why did she claim to have clothes that didn't come – why was she claimed to be wearing

01:00:53.600 clothes that didn't even exist at the time?

01:00:55.000 A specific dress that wasn't released until years later.

01:00:57.420 More importantly, she didn't have a key to that room, nor did Trump.

01:01:00.580 And she also said the Bergdorf Goodman, one of the busiest stores in New York, had no

01:01:05.040 people in it.

01:01:06.260 So you then say, I find it all to be credible.

01:01:09.140 And the New York state legislature passed a law allowing her to bring it.

01:01:12.360 I never said that.

01:01:13.000 So why would you agree with this stuff? 0.98

01:01:15.040 The only thing that I said, Tim, was that he is a liable sexual abuser.

01:01:18.660 Now, we could have disagreements on whether you think it's credible or not.

01:01:22.380 I asked you the question very simply.

01:01:24.460 And here's my worldview on government.

01:01:26.560 I think when government makes claims, they have to prove it.

01:01:30.260 And if they can't, I wouldn't do it.

01:01:31.660 So when I see a guy who's clearly innocent on death row, I don't call him a murderer.

01:01:36.040 I say they have cheated an innocent man.

01:01:38.900 I call him an innocent man.

01:01:40.760 When Kamala Harris –

01:01:41.400 The Parkland Five, right?

01:01:42.400 They're innocent.

01:01:43.420 Is that a fair example?

01:01:44.460 We're not arguing the Parkland Five.

01:01:46.900 My point is when you have people on death row – I oppose the death penalty – who are

01:01:51.280 innocent, I won't call them a murderer.

01:01:52.440 However, if the state falsifies evidence, and they've done this on numerous occasions

01:01:57.340 to imprison innocent people, the state is the criminal.

01:02:01.500 The prosecutors are the criminals.

01:02:03.520 I think here's where our disagreement –

01:02:04.360 And they need to be in prison.

01:02:05.340 Tim, sorry to interrupt.

01:02:06.340 I think this is where our disagreement is.

01:02:09.400 While we have a lot of disagreements on Donald Trump, whether he's a criminal or not,

01:02:14.960 the fact of the matter still stands.

01:02:16.800 He was found liable for –

01:02:18.440 I'll put it like this.

01:02:19.720 That's incredible, Tim.

01:02:20.720 I think you're misinterpreting what I'm saying here.

01:02:22.620 No, no.

01:02:22.920 So I clarified that point.

01:02:24.260 The difference between us is you trust government.

01:02:26.380 I don't.

01:02:28.120 I don't trust government 100%.

01:02:30.500 But you trust them enough to convince people.

01:02:32.500 Here's what I –

01:02:33.180 I don't.

01:02:33.560 Here's what I will say, Tim, okay?

01:02:35.140 And that's fine.

01:02:36.080 Here's what I will say, Tim, and then I'm sure you want to move on to some other stuff.

01:02:38.960 But I don't always trust government.

01:02:41.460 All I'm simply saying is I gave you my moral –

01:02:46.460 Yeah, government said so, and you agree.

01:02:49.140 Well, it's not just about government.

01:02:50.980 It's about his behavior.

01:02:52.060 It's about the things he says.

01:02:53.020 It's about the things he does.

01:02:53.960 I think it's an embarrassment.

01:02:55.260 I think you're emotionally offended by Trump as a character, so you're willing to entertain

01:03:00.440 illicit government action because you don't like the man.

01:03:02.780 No, I think there's a lot of reasons why I don't like Donald Trump.

01:03:05.220 There's a policy standpoint of it, and then there's the moral standpoint of it.

01:03:07.960 What other policies don't you agree with?

01:03:08.920 I think he's an atrocious human being, okay? 0.98

01:03:11.260 An atrocious human being. 0.99

01:03:12.560 I think maybe we agree on that.

01:03:14.180 I don't know.

01:03:14.820 This is the distinction.

01:03:16.040 Would you agree he's a really bad guy?

01:03:17.600 No, I wouldn't say that.

01:03:18.580 He's not a bad guy.

01:03:19.760 You said he's a good guy.

01:03:20.540 You've just changed –

01:03:20.980 Good father, good husband.

01:03:22.600 He is a great father. 1.00

01:03:24.380 Having unprotected sex with a porn star two weeks after Barron is born, that you think 1.00

01:03:28.000 that's a good father? 0.89

01:03:28.880 I don't think a single action could define a man who's got great kids who have been very successful.

01:03:32.740 I think people are neither absolutely good or absolutely evil.

01:03:36.860 There's varying degrees of whether someone could be good, bad, or otherwise, and Donald

01:03:41.540 Trump has certainly done things that knock him down a peg or two and bring him down to

01:03:44.780 the lower tier, but he's done a pretty good job with his family, indeed.

01:03:47.960 I mean, look at the success they have.

01:03:49.820 His kids are well-adjusted, successful individuals.

01:03:51.400 With three different individuals, yeah.

01:03:53.260 C'est la vie, I suppose.

01:03:54.600 Even Hillary Clinton on the debate stage said he's a good father.

01:03:57.380 This weird puritanical argument doesn't work on me.

01:04:00.880 I'm not a conservative.

01:04:02.340 I didn't say you were.

01:04:03.200 Right, so when you say Donald Trump banged a lot of people, I'd be like, certainly did.

01:04:07.180 I just don't think he's a very good person.

01:04:08.740 That's the narrative context of all this, right?

01:04:10.360 Because the big thing that Dems blamed Hillary's loss on in 2016 was that she was accused of

01:04:15.340 being a felon, and they thought that that made a big difference, and it did make a difference,

01:04:19.780 but they thought that if they could throw that felon label onto Trump, then there was an

01:04:24.560 opportunity to get that to do the same thing that happened to Hillary. 1.00

01:04:28.680 But they don't realize there were a lot more intangibles under that besides the felony

01:04:33.220 accusation, which is why Trump was able to spin it as an outlaw.

01:04:37.600 And also, the law is important, I think.

01:04:39.680 I agree, like, the law is important, which is why it's so important that we, like, really

01:04:44.540 suss out whether there's political lawfare, because that undermines the whole trust in

01:04:49.440 the entire legal system, and then you just have chaos.

01:04:51.360 Well, I mean, you know, going back to—

01:04:55.580 If you're making an argument that, like, some Christian Catholic person might agree

01:04:59.840 with, it might work on a Catholic Christian or whatever, or conservative, I'm an urban

01:05:03.860 liberal moderate, and I think Trump has certainly sinned quite a great deal.

01:05:08.540 But people having done bad things does not define them as—

01:05:12.840 So policies—

01:05:13.760 A singular bad action doesn't make someone a bad person.

01:05:16.460 So is it fair to say, Tim, that policy—

01:05:18.020 Well, there are questions of whether being with a guy one time makes you gay.

01:05:21.360 I would say it probably does.

01:05:23.240 Go to boonies.com.

01:05:24.320 Unless you do one.

01:05:25.060 For the record, Tim. 0.99

01:05:26.520 Be gay or don't be gay. 0.99

01:05:27.420 Tim, I will not go on a date with you tonight. 0.99

01:05:28.760 We can compare policy versus empathy, too.

01:05:31.120 But after, you know, meeting with Trump and having dinner with him, there were a few examples

01:05:36.320 that stuck out, which seemed, like, really hard to fake empathetic impulses, including around

01:05:42.640 Hillary.

01:05:43.640 When we were talking about how Hillary got maybe pushed, maybe not pushed by the Secret Service

01:05:47.920 into her car.

01:05:48.780 And we all started laughing.

01:05:50.120 And he's like, you know, that's actually not really nice.

01:05:53.140 You could get seriously hurt.

01:05:53.820 He's a really bad guy.

01:05:54.860 A guy wouldn't say—when he talked about John McCain and he said he didn't respect

01:05:58.200 him because he was captured, I tend not to like people who were captured.

01:06:00.940 I felt that should have been disqualifying right there.

01:06:02.900 I was mad when he made fun of Rand Paul's hair, but then he started debating Hillary and

01:06:07.040 all the feelings of anger went away.

01:06:09.320 I don't like J.D. Vance.

01:06:10.600 I don't like Ron DeSantis.

01:06:11.660 But I'll tell you something I would never do. 1.00

01:06:13.420 Shit on their military service. 0.99

01:06:15.100 I respect anybody who serves this country. 1.00

01:06:16.960 And I respect their military service.

01:06:18.780 When you say you don't respect somebody because they were captured, can you admit and agree 0.93

01:06:23.020 with me that that is just an awful, despicable thing to say?

01:06:25.820 Of course.

01:06:26.120 I've said it before.

01:06:26.940 I don't think the Zoomers are going to care about that, though, because they've lost 0.78

01:06:29.540 faith in all institutions.

01:06:30.680 When John McCain died, there are so many people that I know that just mercilessly attacked

01:06:35.040 him for being a warmongering neocon. 0.71

01:06:36.820 And I certainly didn't like him for those reasons.

01:06:38.620 But Lord have mercy, the man was tortured for years.

01:06:41.420 For five years.

01:06:42.040 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:42.400 And was permanently disabled because of it.

01:06:45.240 Right, right.

01:06:45.980 And I said nothing but nice things when he died despite really despising him.

01:06:49.520 Well, that's nice of you.

01:06:50.380 I think that's the right thing to say.

01:06:51.360 I thought when he took the microphone from that woman, if you remember that moment when 0.71

01:06:54.680 the woman's called Barack Hussein Obama, I thought that was a great moment for the country. 0.77

01:06:58.580 And Tim, I guess my point is Donald Trump would never do that.

01:07:01.700 I agree, yeah.

01:07:02.440 And that's the point I'm trying to make.

01:07:04.220 We can have disagreements.

01:07:05.280 And yeah, I don't have the 34 counts in front of me.

01:07:08.200 I don't know.

01:07:08.740 You know a lot more about the case than I do.

01:07:10.360 Yeah, I'll tell you what.

01:07:11.080 I don't doubt that, Tim.

01:07:12.020 I'll tell you what I see happening in this country.

01:07:13.440 There's a million and one ways to describe it, but it looks like there are many people

01:07:17.300 who I would describe as default liberals.

01:07:19.840 And that doesn't mean that they're Democrats or overtly politically liberal.

01:07:22.760 This is a definition of a faction.

01:07:25.280 They emotionally dislike Trump.

01:07:27.040 Now, therefore, Trump is bad.

01:07:28.760 What Trump does is bad.

01:07:29.660 It's always going to be bad, whether, you know, like, for example, is like the East 1.00

01:07:32.620 Wing thing happening right now, like the fake outrage over tearing down the East Wing is

01:07:37.000 just the weirdest thing.

01:07:38.780 He's not the first president to do it.

01:07:40.100 He's not the last president to do it.

01:07:40.840 I'm not focused on that.

01:07:41.660 I'm not.

01:07:41.840 I understand.

01:07:42.440 So this doesn't need to be on you.

01:07:43.740 I'm just saying there's all these liberals that are coming out aghast that there's a

01:07:47.140 remodel happening.

01:07:47.760 And we had we had the worst riots in 50 years where all of our statues are being torn.

01:07:51.800 And I'm not talking about Confederates.

01:07:52.800 I'm talking about Thomas Jefferson, Hans Christian Haag, Frederick Douglass.

01:07:55.740 And they were supporting that.

01:07:57.540 And so when you see the incongruent political ideology, then we're like, OK, I don't think

01:08:03.100 some of these people are legitimately concerned about Trump's policies.

01:08:06.240 They don't like him personally.

01:08:07.660 For the record, I don't agree with any Democrat that was celebrating that stuff.

01:08:12.140 Yeah.

01:08:12.380 But yeah, but if you're going to talk about that, about celebrating people who do criminal

01:08:16.500 activities, again, I don't I don't.

01:08:18.900 Well, if you're tearing down statues property, obviously, that's against the law.

01:08:22.340 You can't do that.

01:08:23.060 We can agree.

01:08:23.500 Well, I'm not I'm not arguing about the the the political criminal.

01:08:26.560 I'm arguing I'm arguing the political, not the criminal.

01:08:30.120 That's what I'm saying.

01:08:30.620 OK, so there are certain degrees of civil disobedience and actions that January 6th was

01:08:34.920 political.

01:08:35.580 We can say that, right?

01:08:36.460 Absolutely.

01:08:36.940 And there are certain things that I'm OK with and not OK with, because what we're really

01:08:39.600 arguing is the distinct moral worldviews.

01:08:41.740 For instance, riots in Dublin over the rape of a 10 year old girl.

01:08:45.560 And the reaction from the right is going to be like, we don't like riots, but man, we

01:08:49.620 really understand why they're mad at the cops over this one. 0.98

01:08:52.240 And then you get BLM riots and you're like, OK, these people are crazy. 0.97

01:08:54.920 Only nine unarmed black people were killed. 0.97

01:08:56.300 It's not 10,000.

01:08:57.140 Why are they burning all these cities down?

01:08:58.860 But I would say riots generally bad.

01:09:00.940 But you would empathize with those who share your moral worldview.

01:09:03.240 So in the instance of political civil disobedience, I'm not criticizing, at least for now, the

01:09:10.360 violent criminal action of destroying property.

01:09:13.440 I'm criticizing the they desecrated American history, symbols and figures and are now acting

01:09:19.880 aghast as though Trump remodeling the building is worse.

01:09:23.560 They were supportive of one and they oppose the other.

01:09:25.680 It is completely illogical.

01:09:27.180 So, I mean, I understand where you're going with that, but again, we can go back to not

01:09:31.260 to do whataboutism, but we can go back to January 6th and the desecrating on Nancy Pelosi's

01:09:35.200 desk type stuff, destruction of property.

01:09:37.240 I call for those people to be arrested.

01:09:38.180 Well, the guy who you voted for called them hostages and patriots.

01:09:41.100 Some of them were, yeah.

01:09:42.320 OK, he didn't say some of them were.

01:09:44.120 So what?

01:09:44.880 So what?

01:09:45.500 Yeah.

01:09:45.760 So you don't think it sets a bad precedence, Tim?

01:09:47.880 No.

01:09:48.140 When the president, hold on, let me just finish.

01:09:49.740 When the president of the United States calls people hostages and patriots who beat police officers

01:09:55.180 with their own batons.

01:09:55.900 Some of those officers now have traumatic brain injury and you're totally fine and you

01:09:59.480 don't care.

01:10:00.160 You can look that up if you don't believe it.

01:10:01.620 So you're doing these absolute things.

01:10:02.480 You're totally fine.

01:10:02.940 I called for the arrest of all of these people.

01:10:04.560 You called them hostages and patriots.

01:10:05.960 You don't have a problem with that?

01:10:06.860 I don't.

01:10:08.280 OK.

01:10:08.900 I mean, like if a guy says thing, I'm not Trump.

01:10:13.140 I'm not part of his cabinet.

01:10:14.780 I'm not a staunch conservative.

01:10:16.500 And Trump does a lot of bad things.

01:10:18.080 A lot.

01:10:18.440 You keep playing this absolute game where it's like you're a supporter there for everything

01:10:21.360 he does is good.

01:10:21.960 No, but you're OK with it.

01:10:23.260 You're not calling it out.

01:10:24.040 That's what I have a problem with.

01:10:24.960 You should again calling out what you're when somebody beats a police officer with

01:10:29.940 a baton.

01:10:30.960 Hold on.

01:10:31.800 And the president calls them hostages and patriots.

01:10:35.060 Why can't you just say, geez, that's wrong.

01:10:37.540 You're not a patriot when you beat a cop.

01:10:39.220 Because Trump's talking about a general group of people, not an individual who did one thing.

01:10:42.540 He generalized everybody.

01:10:44.140 Indeed.

01:10:44.480 And a lot of these people were innocent and were wrongly convicted.

01:10:47.200 OK, I mean, we can go back to that.

01:10:49.620 The point that I was simply trying to make was true.

01:10:51.360 So when you have this when you have this issue of, you know, a group of rioters on January

01:10:57.280 6th who were violent, smashing windows.

01:10:59.480 First thing I said was lock them up, send them to prison.

01:11:02.100 You don't get to do that.

01:11:03.140 A lot of those people.

01:11:03.940 He certainly did.

01:11:04.620 And the reason why is because the Biden DOJ overplayed its hand and went after an excessive

01:11:09.200 amount of innocent people, which created a mess.

01:11:11.740 So you care about the DOJ overplaying their hand?

01:11:14.720 Do you think Donald Trump is doing that now?

01:11:16.640 Hold on.

01:11:17.560 I care about the DOJ overplaying its hand.

01:11:19.100 I care about any instance where law enforcement is targeting innocent people and locking them

01:11:24.400 up.

01:11:25.100 I don't care if it's California, Chicago.

01:11:27.220 I don't care if it's Texas or Nebraska or the DOJ.

01:11:29.920 Adam Schiff being targeted right now?

01:11:31.300 For what?

01:11:31.640 What's he being targeted for?

01:11:32.540 Well, they've already, the prosecution allegedly, according to sources, are saying that they

01:11:37.340 don't want to prosecute him.

01:11:38.200 That's conflicted, actually.

01:11:39.160 OK, well, we'll see what happens.

01:11:40.700 What's he being targeted for?

01:11:41.960 Letitia James.

01:11:42.960 What are they being targeted for?

01:11:44.380 Well, $18,000 allegedly.

01:11:47.180 And I don't think she's even going to go to trial.

01:11:49.420 No, no, Schiff, Schiff, Schiff.

01:11:50.320 Oh, Adam Schiff.

01:11:51.220 What are they accusing him of?

01:11:52.980 Well, my understanding, and from what the prosecutor said, and correct me if I'm wrong,

01:11:58.180 is that, and again, you're right, it is conflicted, that they're not even going to

01:12:02.300 indict him.

01:12:03.160 My understanding.

01:12:03.960 The argument, so there was, I think MSNBC came out and said the prosecutors are alleging

01:12:08.560 it's not a strong enough case.

01:12:09.500 Right, right.

01:12:09.940 But then you had, I think it was some legal nonprofit came out and said, that's incorrect,

01:12:14.680 the prosecutors are bringing the charges.

01:12:15.980 So, Letitia James, $18,000.

01:12:18.120 But what was Schiff, what's Schiff being targeted over?

01:12:20.900 Well, lying.

01:12:22.300 My understanding.

01:12:22.860 My understanding, lying.

01:12:24.980 About what?

01:12:25.640 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it had to do with finances, lying, and bribes.

01:12:30.180 My understanding.

01:12:30.640 No, that's not correct.

01:12:31.300 Okay, so tell me, what?

01:12:32.480 Mortgage fraud.

01:12:33.540 Mortgage.

01:12:33.960 Well, same thing, Letitia. 1.00

01:12:34.840 Okay, same thing.

01:12:35.440 Yeah, so like when you apply for a residence and claim that your primary residence is this

01:12:40.600 building, you get a lower interest rate.

01:12:42.820 That's fraud.

01:12:43.940 So if he had an R next to his name, do you feel like he would still be in the same situation?

01:12:49.140 If Adam Schiff was a Republican, would he be found?

01:12:51.120 Probably not.

01:12:51.400 If he was approached, probably not.

01:12:52.840 Thank you.

01:12:53.400 I appreciate that.

01:12:54.040 So why are they going after Adam Schiff?

01:12:55.840 I believe the main reason why they're going after him is because he's a Democrat, because

01:12:58.660 he's a Democrat that's been very outspoken about.

01:13:01.000 Listen, I'm not an Adam Schiff fan.

01:13:02.360 I'm not, but I believe weaponizing the DOJ is something, sadly, that is happening here.

01:13:09.360 Letitia James.

01:13:10.340 Why is Trump doing that?

01:13:11.920 Going after his enemies, right?

01:13:13.240 The enemy within.

01:13:14.140 Going after people that he feels have gone after him.

01:13:16.580 Here's the objective.

01:13:18.160 In the Biden, at the start of Donald Trump's, in his campaign, he was accused of being a

01:13:22.140 Russian spy, of colluding with a foreign adversary of the United States.

01:13:26.120 There's a lot of conflicted information on this, but we know it's meritless.

01:13:29.740 However, regardless of that, we know that there was a meeting with Comey, Sally Yates,

01:13:34.340 Barack Obama, Joe Biden, where they said, we're going to push this as, like, we're going

01:13:40.880 to, in Trump's presidency, target him in this way.

01:13:44.400 Now, by all means, certainly some people are going to say, well, that was a legitimate

01:13:46.840 use of law enforcement or whatever.

01:13:48.340 We now know that was never the case that Trump was doing these things.

01:13:50.880 There were false stories about Don Jr. having illicit access to WikiLeaks, false stories

01:13:55.220 about connections to Russian banks.

01:13:56.680 There was the Steele dossier, which was paid for by the Clinton campaign.

01:14:00.240 Long story there.

01:14:01.580 All of that was fake.

01:14:02.780 How did this culminate?

01:14:04.180 We had the arrest of Donald Trump, the frontrunner for the presidency, under highly dubious

01:14:08.740 charges in various places.

01:14:10.040 But you know what?

01:14:10.660 By all means, claim it's not dubious.

01:14:12.500 They arrested Trump's lawyers.

01:14:14.100 Did you know that?

01:14:14.960 I'm not saying it wasn't political on the other side either.

01:14:17.100 That's not my argument.

01:14:17.980 And certainly not.

01:14:18.680 My argument is not that.

01:14:19.840 What about it?

01:14:20.200 My point is, I am looking at this like, why is Adam Schiff and Letitia James being targeted?

01:14:24.920 Because a war was started in the DOJ by the Democrats, and Trump is carrying on.

01:14:30.540 I'm not happy with any of it.

01:14:31.980 I don't think it should be a thing that this country does, but I understand exactly why

01:14:35.260 it's happening.

01:14:35.680 So just retribution.

01:14:36.860 It's not retribution.

01:14:37.660 It's war.

01:14:38.180 There's a difference.

01:14:39.100 It's also chaos, because most of the bottom level of the DOJ is longtime staffers.

01:14:43.480 So there's certain stuff that is hard to push through, because you can't get the actual

01:14:48.700 bureaucrats to sign off on it. 0.98

01:14:50.540 And there's all sorts of chaos around Jan 6th, right?

01:14:52.860 You have the plainclothes officers.

01:14:55.100 You have the Nancy Pelosi calling off the National Guard.

01:14:58.680 If that's the case, then why didn't Donald Trump—if that's the case, then why was Donald

01:15:02.200 Trump able to call on the National Guard with the snap of a finger in D.C. a few months

01:15:07.380 ago?

01:15:07.600 The argument from the right is always, why didn't Nancy Pelosi call on the National

01:15:11.220 Guard?

01:15:11.760 Why was Donald Trump able to call on the National Guard like that?

01:15:13.700 Maybe he would have been able to if it lasted—if it was more than a few-hour process.

01:15:18.820 But one interesting person that got left through the cracks.

01:15:21.620 Real quick, just to address that, sorry, put a pin.

01:15:23.720 The deployment of the National Guard into D.C. is a long, drawn-out process for a long

01:15:28.060 period of time.

01:15:28.900 Trump, the day of, being like, oh, man, maybe we should have something.

01:15:31.920 So why do you blame Nancy Pelosi, then?

01:15:33.440 Why would he blame Nancy Pelosi?

01:15:34.200 Oh, I don't.

01:15:34.400 I'm not saying you did.

01:15:35.240 But Pelosi did say on camera—

01:15:36.500 It's long and drawn-out.

01:15:37.120 What did she say?

01:15:37.620 It's all my fault.

01:15:37.980 I heard what she said, but she's an old lady. 1.00

01:15:39.940 She says a lot of crazy things. 0.98

01:15:40.600 Trump's an old guy. 0.80

01:15:40.940 By the way, to be clear, I don't support Nancy Pelosi either. 0.92

01:15:45.680 I despise Ilhan Omar.

01:15:48.580 I despise—

01:15:49.320 I guess I'm getting to the point that there were other potential—

01:15:52.180 Blame Nancy Pelosi, though. 0.95

01:15:53.300 No, no.

01:15:53.600 Forget Nancy. 1.00

01:15:54.260 There were other potential motives to make this thing blow up, right?

01:15:57.340 Because they can obviously use it against Trump for various reasons.

01:16:00.140 Well, yeah, they should.

01:16:00.760 The Biden DOJ even prosecuted this cop, Shane Lamond.

01:16:08.000 And whenever you have a protest, you have someone in the police department who's coordinating

01:16:13.820 with the protesters, right?

01:16:14.920 This is when we're going to show up.

01:16:16.340 This is what we're going to do.

01:16:17.120 This is where we're going to try and confine ourselves, right?

01:16:19.840 And they have this relationship.

01:16:20.840 This guy was working super hard to keep the violence down, keep it from going crazy.

01:16:28.620 And the Biden DOJ charged him for colluding with protesters based on the fact that they

01:16:34.140 have this communication.

01:16:35.020 I don't deny that.

01:16:35.620 And it's still left over.

01:16:36.340 I don't deny that there are cases that people were overcharged.

01:16:39.520 I don't deny that.

01:16:40.320 We don't need to argue, J6, because the rioters were bad. 0.99

01:16:43.420 Does it happen if Trump doesn't lie about the 2020 election?

01:16:45.940 The injuries were also inflated.

01:16:47.580 The one cop who the media showed this cop on the ground surrounded.

01:16:51.260 Let me say this.

01:16:52.220 January 6th absolutely would have happened even if Donald Trump wasn't talking about it.

01:16:55.680 I disagree.

01:16:56.180 You know how I know I'm right?

01:16:57.020 Because I predicted it in September before the election even happened.

01:16:59.620 But I just respectfully, I disagree with you on that.

01:17:01.980 In September of 2020, I predicted that if Donald Trump didn't win the election,

01:17:05.900 his supporters are going to go to D.C., it's going to be nuts,

01:17:07.980 and they're going to storm the White House or something like that.

01:17:09.360 I just respectfully disagree with you.

01:17:11.060 I think if Donald Trump didn't lie, which, by the way, he did about the 2020 election,

01:17:14.340 he's the only president in American history that has not conceded an election.

01:17:17.920 Okay, he lied.

01:17:18.520 Hillary Clinton conceded the next day.

01:17:20.080 That's not correct.

01:17:21.380 He's the only president who never conceded an election.

01:17:23.600 He conceded.

01:17:24.200 He just thought it was fake.

01:17:25.160 No, he never conceded.

01:17:26.540 I'm pretty sure he never conceded, but he's not the only one.

01:17:28.100 He never conceded.

01:17:28.880 You're wrong.

01:17:29.920 Who else didn't concede an election?

01:17:31.540 Maybe I'm wrong.

01:17:32.180 Well, I suppose I'll give you that one.

01:17:33.980 The words, saying the words, I concede versus the legal challenge.

01:17:37.080 Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris picking up the phone and saying congratulations.

01:17:40.020 If you're arguing the words, I concede, I said I will give you that point.

01:17:43.720 I'm talking about whether or not the actions taken after the fact were of someone conceding.

01:17:47.560 So, Tim, this is interesting.

01:17:48.640 You think that January 6th happens, even if Donald Trump concedes the election and says

01:17:52.620 Joe Biden won a free and fair election, you still think there'd be that many people storming

01:17:56.820 the Capitol that are trying to overthrow a free and fair election?

01:17:59.260 I respectfully disagree with you.

01:18:00.380 Because I will stress it again.

01:18:02.040 In September of 2020, on my show-

01:18:04.160 I know you said that.

01:18:05.000 That's your opinion.

01:18:05.720 That's fine.

01:18:06.240 So, my point is, the things that were happening in this country led me to believe, two months

01:18:11.840 before the election, that Trump supporters would not accept a Biden victory, no matter

01:18:16.020 what.

01:18:16.880 Whether or not, and this is irrespective of Trump saying anything about the election being

01:18:19.500 stolen because it hadn't happened yet.

01:18:21.880 I just-

01:18:22.680 That was correct.

01:18:23.360 Again, I respectfully disagree with you.

01:18:24.400 I was vaguely wrong because I did the White House.

01:18:25.900 If Donald Trump conceded and he said we can't be violent and he toned down the rhetoric and

01:18:29.780 he lowered the temperature, I guarantee you January 6th doesn't happen.

01:18:32.900 It happened.

01:18:33.460 He did not concede.

01:18:36.020 He said the Democrats stole it.

01:18:37.440 Joe Biden stole it.

01:18:39.300 You know, it rigged.

01:18:40.500 It was rigged.

01:18:40.920 He still says that today. 1.00

01:18:42.420 It's a fucking- 0.99

01:18:43.260 I'm sorry. 0.98

01:18:43.700 I shouldn't swear.

01:18:44.440 I was swearing to him.

01:18:45.000 I apologize.

01:18:46.200 It's a joke.

01:18:47.640 Tim, it's a joke.

01:18:49.100 There's no evidence of why it's-

01:18:50.360 He still says it, that he won.

01:18:52.620 Don't you have a problem with that?

01:18:53.700 You don't have a problem with that.

01:18:54.420 Why did Biden get so many more votes than Kamala? 1.00

01:18:56.580 Should they have run him if that was actually a true count?

01:18:59.620 What?

01:19:00.040 Well, but you think it was stolen?

01:19:01.840 Yeah.

01:19:02.140 Yeah, I think it's very possible.

01:19:03.600 I don't know exactly what, but it's also possible this was the first election that was stolen.

01:19:08.560 So let's do this, right?

01:19:10.000 So the issue is, of course, I've never argued the election was stolen or that there were Chinese

01:19:14.960 ballots.

01:19:15.580 I'm not saying you don't.

01:19:16.380 I'm making this point.

01:19:16.940 Yep.

01:19:17.040 However, I have argued that we are in a constitutional crisis following the 2020 election because

01:19:23.520 the failures of the Supreme Court to pick up Texas v. Pennsylvania.

01:19:25.820 So the issues at play from the Trump administration, largely, not the ancillary groups like Mike

01:19:31.200 Lindell or anything like that, have to do with violations of the Constitution in the furtherance

01:19:35.000 of a Democrat victory.

01:19:36.240 These questions have never been answered.

01:19:37.880 And now we are in a nebulous state where it's going to impact us very heavily in 26 and 28,

01:19:42.960 especially with the Voting Rights Act going to the Supreme Court.

01:19:46.000 I see this as a catalyst for the complete factionalization, Balkanism or otherwise were 1.00

01:19:52.840 collapsed of the United States.

01:19:53.940 And I largely blame the Supreme Court in 2020.

01:19:57.040 Okay.

01:19:57.400 I mean, are you familiar with Texas v. Pennsylvania?

01:19:58.960 I am.

01:19:59.620 And I don't necessarily disagree with you.

01:20:01.460 And by the way, we were in some very weird times during COVID at that moment.

01:20:05.800 But the problem that I have, Tim, and going back to what I said before, is that the man

01:20:10.600 continues to lie and a president's words do matter.

01:20:14.780 What he says matters.

01:20:16.660 They all lie.

01:20:17.480 They're all lying. 0.91

01:20:18.200 They all lie.

01:20:18.780 Indeed.

01:20:19.400 You think every president...

01:20:20.260 About a presidential election?

01:20:21.680 They're lying about a variety of things.

01:20:23.120 Okay.

01:20:23.300 I agree.

01:20:23.560 I didn't say singularly.

01:20:25.120 I agree that a lot of presidents lie.

01:20:26.980 Politicians lie.

01:20:27.860 News at 11.

01:20:28.400 I agree.

01:20:29.020 But I also would say there's a difference between that and not conceding an election.

01:20:32.480 And then we have, you know, January 6th, which takes place.

01:20:35.400 People died that day.

01:20:36.960 And...

01:20:37.280 What's Trump's argument about the election?

01:20:39.740 He says the election was rigged.

01:20:41.580 How?

01:20:41.780 He hasn't shown any evidence or proof that it was rigged.

01:20:46.020 He claims the mail-in ballots when he told his own supporters not to do mail-in ballots.

01:20:51.620 And then he claims that the mail-in ballots were rigged and all these votes were counted

01:20:55.280 in the middle of the night. 0.95

01:20:56.460 The bottom line is when we look at Mike Lindell, who I think is a clown, and we look at Dinesh 0.79

01:21:00.400 D'Souza, who I think is a clown, and we look at these people as a source to, oh, I think 0.97

01:21:05.620 the election was stolen. 0.98

01:21:06.820 It is a joke.

01:21:07.960 It's never been proven in a court of law.

01:21:09.680 None of the judges found any merit.

01:21:11.080 I think it was like 0-61.

01:21:12.440 Well, you know, I like Mike and Dinesh, but I agree that they're wrong.

01:21:15.800 And because I've consistently made the arguments, which apparently I just learned from Mike Benz

01:21:20.560 made me a target of Democrat NGOs and the Atlantic Council.

01:21:24.300 That's not good.

01:21:24.940 Because in 2020, my argument was they didn't fake ballots.

01:21:28.640 They didn't rig voting machines.

01:21:30.120 They ballot harvested.

01:21:31.200 Right.

01:21:32.040 There's videos of it.

01:21:33.400 And it's legal in most places.

01:21:34.940 Pat Pressler would probably agree with you on that.

01:21:36.120 But it's legal in most places.

01:21:38.260 And so the issue was Democrats did a massive—so you had universal mail-in votes, which made

01:21:43.400 ballot harvesting substantially more effective.

01:21:45.320 And then they went and they collected ballots.

01:21:47.420 There are a handful of places where this is illegal, but it's typically legal or only

01:21:51.800 restricted to three ballots per person.

01:21:54.400 Dinesh D'Souza made the argument that people were ballot harvesting to a great degree and

01:21:57.720 then dumping them.

01:21:58.400 And that may be the case.

01:21:59.160 We don't know.

01:21:59.560 Why is it when Trump loses, so many MAGA Republicans won't accept it, but when Trump wins, everything

01:22:03.820 must have gone OK?

01:22:04.980 Because some people are in a cult.

01:22:06.880 OK.

01:22:07.540 Well, and it was accepted.

01:22:08.820 I agree.

01:22:09.360 And there's a lot of suspicious stuff, right?

01:22:11.080 So it's like, can we fix that suspicious stuff around our election processes?

01:22:14.580 And then we can solve this problem of losing trust in the system, et cetera.

01:22:18.060 When Trump won, I accepted it.

01:22:19.980 I didn't like the result, but I accepted it.

01:22:22.020 If the judiciaries and the executors of various states did not illicitly alter the rules of the

01:22:28.780 election, Trump probably would have won.

01:22:30.680 I don't know.

01:22:31.280 I don't know the answer to that.

01:22:32.780 And actually, I don't know is a fair answer, but we can at least say Texas is a fair answer. 0.97

01:22:36.100 Texas v. Pennsylvania needed to be answered, and the Supreme Court are a bunch of cowards. 0.91

01:22:40.160 They were too scared to enter into an original jurisdiction legal case in such a contentious 0.65

01:22:46.060 election that they said, we will abstain from our sworn duty.

01:22:49.800 And Tim, if Donald Trump said that, that would be different.

01:22:52.920 But he hasn't said that, as you know.

01:22:54.640 I don't think Trump is the most like, what's the right way?

01:22:57.280 You understand what I'm saying, though?

01:22:58.320 If Trump explained it like you just did, I don't think we would have had an insurrection.

01:23:03.460 Oh, I do.

01:23:04.000 Well, OK.

01:23:04.560 I know we disagree on that.

01:23:05.800 But the point, again—

01:23:07.020 Well, actually, we would have had a January 6th.

01:23:10.560 I don't think it would have been as violent.

01:23:12.320 I don't think it would have been anywhere near to what it was.

01:23:15.460 I think Donald Trump riled up the base.

01:23:17.740 And I'm going to be honest with you. 1.00

01:23:18.580 I think there were a lot of idiots there that day. 1.00

01:23:19.980 Now, there were a couple hundred thousand people there, not violent. 1.00

01:23:22.620 There were about, what, 700 people that were violent, right?

01:23:25.020 1,500 people.

01:23:25.980 Substantially less.

01:23:26.460 Right.

01:23:26.880 I'm not saying hundreds of thousands of people were horrible people, but they believed him 1.00

01:23:31.860 that the election was stolen.

01:23:32.760 They believed him.

01:23:33.220 I think the issue was around 100 or so people were—

01:23:35.880 That's a lot of people there.

01:23:36.380 —were violent.

01:23:37.420 And there were—

01:23:38.220 I thought it was more than that, but—

01:23:39.180 Well, it's because there was—so there's three groups.

01:23:42.200 There were principal rioters who were violent, and that was around 100 or something.

01:23:45.560 I could be wrong.

01:23:46.400 There were about 700 in the mob.

01:23:48.280 Many of them were not—it wasn't possible for them to be violent because they were behind

01:23:51.700 the others who were.

01:23:52.900 And then there was the extended group of people who were milling about and didn't know the

01:23:56.740 riot was happening.

01:23:57.640 Perhaps.

01:23:58.000 The issue with why the pardons were favored is there's two reasons.

01:24:03.220 Four, engaging in a violent riot and attacking police.

01:24:06.220 I think three years in prison probably makes sense.

01:24:09.020 Maybe a little high, but considering it's the capital—

01:24:10.760 How about Enrique Tarrio?

01:24:11.960 He wasn't even there.

01:24:12.880 Right, but convicted of seditious conspiracy.

01:24:14.940 I know Enrique—

01:24:15.280 Wasn't even there.

01:24:16.020 You don't have to be there to be convicted of seditious conspiracy. 0.94

01:24:18.380 Yeah, that's silly.

01:24:19.720 And they argued because he had a handful of phrases and statements that it warranted some

01:24:23.800 kind of conspiracy.

01:24:24.840 None of the Proud Boys knew they were going to be—

01:24:26.280 But if you beat a cop on Black Lives Matter protests, would you be okay if Joe Biden pardoned

01:24:29.620 them?

01:24:30.020 Let's just say there was somebody—by the way, Joe Biden didn't pardon one person from

01:24:33.300 the Black Lives Matter protests, and I don't condone violence on it.

01:24:35.700 I guess that's the difference between me and a lot of people.

01:24:37.380 He did abandon Black Lives Matter.

01:24:39.220 Yeah, so let me just—I'll just lay it out.

01:24:41.420 If—let's—the Black Lives Matter riots in 2020 were massive. 0.71

01:24:47.020 Some of the biggest riots we saw in 50 years.

01:24:48.180 Tens of millions of people.

01:24:49.360 I don't think it was tens of millions.

01:24:50.620 It was up there.

01:24:51.140 It was up there, Tim.

01:24:51.940 Not for riots.

01:24:53.060 Maybe you're saying people protested.

01:24:54.780 Right, right, right, right.

01:24:55.480 Very, very different from the rioting.

01:24:56.620 Right, right.

01:24:56.940 Only the rioters.

01:24:57.720 Small percentage, right?

01:24:58.780 Like—

01:24:59.100 Fair to say?

01:24:59.620 Yes.

01:24:59.980 Most of these.

01:25:00.360 And we pointed out with January 6th, there was—I think it was an estimate of 200,000.

01:25:03.480 Yeah.

01:25:03.740 And only a very tiny fraction were involved in the riot.

01:25:06.220 Right, right.

01:25:06.620 So for BLM, if the Trump administration started setting up Capitol police offices around the

01:25:12.300 country and started raiding random activists' homes who were not violent and were just marching

01:25:17.600 down the street, I'd say absolutely not.

01:25:19.960 Trump should not be doing this.

01:25:20.960 And if Biden pardoned those people, I'd say, OK, furthermore, the people who did riot after

01:25:25.340 three years, I'd also say I think three years is a long enough time in prison for a riot.

01:25:28.780 OK, you're entitled to that opinion, but I would say the difference between me and a

01:25:31.620 lot of other people is when it goes—I don't care whether you beat a police officer on—I

01:25:34.680 think we agree on this—I don't care whether you beat a police officer during Black Lives 0.99

01:25:37.800 Matter protests or you beat a police officer on January 6th.

01:25:40.800 You're not a hostage.

01:25:41.580 You're not a patriot.

01:25:42.220 Now, we could disagree on how much time they should have served behind bars, and that's

01:25:45.380 fine.

01:25:45.760 We could have that conversation.

01:25:46.440 How much time do you think?

01:25:48.120 OK, let's take an example of someone who—

01:25:50.020 Assault on an officer.

01:25:50.640 OK, sure.

01:25:51.180 Let's take an example of an officer that was beaten to a pulp.

01:25:54.460 There were some officers that have traumatic brain injury.

01:25:56.740 You could look that up.

01:25:57.360 I think there are several officers.

01:25:58.680 I think only 10 were hospitalized, but we can go over that later.

01:26:00.640 OK, I thought it was like 140, but OK.

01:26:03.400 I know 140 officers were injured.

01:26:05.400 Injured, right.

01:26:06.620 Most of those were tear gas from their own deployment.

01:26:08.820 But let's just say—example.

01:26:09.440 Trump didn't arrest any of these people on the May 29th insurrection.

01:26:12.140 Not a single one.

01:26:12.660 Just hear me out on this.

01:26:13.620 Let's just say, to answer your question, one of those people beat a police officer to the point

01:26:18.360 where he has traumatic brain injury.

01:26:19.380 No, I don't think three years is enough.

01:26:21.080 Just like if you beat a cop on Black Lives Matter protest and you gave another police officer

01:26:25.620 life-changing injuries.

01:26:27.500 No, I don't think three years is enough, Tim.

01:26:29.200 Now, I'll give you the fact that there are people that were overcharged.

01:26:32.200 I'm not denying that.

01:26:33.180 Most of them.

01:26:33.620 OK.

01:26:33.920 So here's—

01:26:34.380 Do you agree?

01:26:34.800 Can we agree on that?

01:26:35.740 You think maybe three—maybe a little bit more than that?

01:26:37.520 If you beat a police officer to a point where he has traumatic brain injury?

01:26:40.060 In a singular incident where an individual beats a cop until he has life-altering injuries,

01:26:43.480 maybe 10.

01:26:44.300 OK.

01:26:44.500 So here's the issue with January 6th and any other riot is it became political.

01:26:51.040 And it became political because innocent people were being locked up and hunted down on misdemeanors.

01:26:55.460 People were lied and smeared.

01:26:57.660 The Biden DOJ raided a woman's home in Alaska who wasn't even in the Capitol because she 1.00

01:27:01.840 looked like someone.

01:27:02.660 I mean, this is freaking people out.

01:27:04.260 I know Pam Hempfell. 0.99

01:27:05.120 She's done my show before.

01:27:06.160 Now she's anti-Trump. 0.97

01:27:07.360 But—

01:27:07.500 That's fine.

01:27:07.840 The point is the DOJ went nuts.

01:27:10.800 And so then what happens is it becomes very hard to isolate a granular moment in J6 because

01:27:16.900 it's a singular political incident where Trump says too many innocent people have been assaulted

01:27:21.980 by the DOJ, so we're shutting it down.

01:27:24.680 Now, you come to me.

01:27:26.300 If they did not arrest people, hunt them down for walking on the grounds, if they didn't

01:27:31.960 arrest Owen Schroer, who didn't go in the Capitol, or Brandon Strzok, who didn't go in

01:27:35.120 the Capitol, if they said—

01:27:36.260 No, no, no, no, no.

01:27:36.600 I thought Brandon did.

01:27:37.280 He did not.

01:27:38.180 What's her name?

01:27:38.700 He did not go in the Capitol.

01:27:40.060 And I've met many people who—there's one story that I talk about quite a bit.

01:27:43.920 I met a woman.

01:27:45.280 She showed up an hour or so after everyone had already left the Capitol.

01:27:48.960 But the barricades had still been removed from the grounds, and the doors were still

01:27:51.720 open.

01:27:52.440 She and her husband were leaving the peaceful protest and walking through D.C.

01:27:56.140 when they walked up to the Capitol building.

01:27:58.460 No police.

01:27:59.460 Doors open.

01:28:00.240 No riots going on.

01:28:01.460 And they went to—I forgot which door it was, but it wasn't the side where the windows

01:28:04.100 were all broken.

01:28:04.660 It was the side where they opened it after the fact.

01:28:05.960 She walked in, and there's that hallway, and her and her husband looked around and then

01:28:11.020 left.

01:28:12.140 And then several months later, their door was kicked in by feds.

01:28:15.440 They were arrested for misdemeanor trespass and sentenced to 18 months in prison.

01:28:21.160 So many of those stories freaked people out.

01:28:23.960 The story he mentioned about the officer, there were stories of people on the front

01:28:27.480 line during the riots who are asking the officers, what can I do to help, and fighting

01:28:31.920 the rioters back who got sent to prison.

01:28:34.120 This became such an egregious blanket that for a political moment, people were just like,

01:28:39.220 don't know, don't care.

01:28:39.920 Put a stop to it.

01:28:41.160 And so, again, on a singular incident, we'd be like, as I said from day one, those people

01:28:46.540 who attacked cops and rioted should be locked up.

01:28:49.400 I would have had to keep all those innocent people in jail to figure out that process.

01:28:53.860 In almost any aspect in life, you're going to find situations, including January 6th,

01:28:58.080 where people are overcharged, and at times it's political.

01:29:00.500 But my opinion doesn't change.

01:29:02.320 Then we get the George Floyd riots where, in front of the White House, they firebombed

01:29:05.780 the grounds, they set fire to St. John's Church, they injured over a hundred and some

01:29:09.420 odd federal law enforcement, and liberals in this country, default libs, I should say

01:29:15.180 left-faction-aligned individuals, celebrated it.

01:29:17.480 They insulted Trump.

01:29:18.460 They called him Bunker Boy.

01:29:19.400 Who celebrated the violence?

01:29:20.560 Like, is there a Democrat official, an elected official?

01:29:22.620 They say that about Charlie Kirk, too.

01:29:23.420 Want me to pull up all the Bunker Boy quotes?

01:29:24.800 Can I ask you a question?

01:29:25.720 Because I hear that, and this pertains to right now, and I don't mean to change the subject,

01:29:29.000 but I hear from the right, and I talked about this on Pierce Morgan, where Riley Gaines

01:29:32.520 said, Democrat politicians are celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.

01:29:36.740 I said, can you name me one?

01:29:38.300 AOC.

01:29:39.060 She did not celebrate the murder.

01:29:40.560 She said we should celebrate his life.

01:29:42.620 It's a semantic debate.

01:29:44.640 No, it's a lie.

01:29:45.800 When people say that Democrat elected officials are, there's a difference between celebrating

01:29:50.940 a death, which, by the way, I would never do.

01:29:52.680 It was horrible what happened to him, and not wanting to celebrate his life.

01:29:56.280 Now, those are two completely different things.

01:29:58.060 AOC never celebrated the murder.

01:30:00.100 In fact, she called it out.

01:30:01.000 I disagree.

01:30:01.360 And it's a semantic argument, and I accept your position on, but my argument is when about

01:30:06.060 a week after a person is assassinated, you go on the House floor and smear him and lie

01:30:09.540 about him, I'm like, this is a person who is gloating over his death.

01:30:13.140 That's different than celebrating his murder, though.

01:30:15.540 So my position is...

01:30:19.000 You can see that?

01:30:20.260 No.

01:30:21.320 So I've had this debate already.

01:30:24.300 One could say, on a simple semantic term, and I accept your argument on this one, I am not

01:30:28.700 saying she jumped up and down and popped confetti.

01:30:31.300 I am saying...

01:30:32.240 Inappropriate what she said.

01:30:33.420 You think she said something that smeared him?

01:30:35.040 I said what she did was an opportunistic attack, glorifying, like maximizing their political 0.85

01:30:41.740 benefit in a way.

01:30:43.220 In a political standpoint, from a position of electoral politics and factionalized politics,

01:30:49.320 she was celebrating.

01:30:50.220 Giving him the Medal of Freedom?

01:30:51.740 AOC?

01:30:52.480 No, I'm saying Donald Trump giving him the Medal of Freedom, you know...

01:30:56.580 He's celebrating his life.

01:30:57.840 Well, listen, I'm not...

01:30:59.060 It's respectful.

01:30:59.680 Okay.

01:31:00.660 Again, all of a sudden you care about being respectful, but you don't care about all these

01:31:04.440 things that I've talked about...

01:31:05.440 What do you mean don't care about being respectful?

01:31:06.580 You're connecting things that aren't connecting.

01:31:07.800 All right, let's stick with Charlie Kirk.

01:31:08.940 I hear you, okay?

01:31:10.340 When I was on the air when Charlie Kirk was murdered, I was emotional.

01:31:13.760 I was crying.

01:31:14.660 Not because I'm a Charlie Kirk fan.

01:31:16.580 I don't...

01:31:17.020 I never liked the man.

01:31:17.740 Who killed him.

01:31:18.180 Okay?

01:31:19.040 Who killed him?

01:31:19.980 Yeah, yeah.

01:31:20.580 Well, as far as we know right now, it wasn't the left that killed him.

01:31:23.660 It was a 22-year-old.

01:31:24.560 Just like when they say, the left tried to assassinate Donald Trump.

01:31:27.420 Really?

01:31:27.800 But who was the guy?

01:31:28.880 What was his name?

01:31:29.740 Robinson.

01:31:30.240 Tyler Robinson.

01:31:30.720 What was his motivating ideology?

01:31:32.940 What we've learned, and hopefully we will learn more in a court, because I don't like

01:31:37.060 to hear what people say on Fox News and OAN and Newsmax, or what Matt Gaetz has to say

01:31:41.920 about it.

01:31:43.040 What we've learned is he was obviously radicalized.

01:31:45.380 We need to figure out how.

01:31:46.980 What was his motivating...

01:31:48.300 We don't have...

01:31:48.780 We don't know all the details of how he was radicalized.

01:31:51.200 We'll learn that.

01:31:52.000 We'll start here.

01:31:52.820 So he's the alleged assassin.

01:31:54.640 Yes.

01:31:55.180 If you trust the FBI.

01:31:57.120 And...

01:31:57.240 Do you?

01:31:58.640 A little bit.

01:31:59.700 Because I know Cash and Dan.

01:32:01.500 Right.

01:32:01.760 I do trust them, but...

01:32:03.460 You do?

01:32:04.320 Indeed.

01:32:04.820 To throw my weight behind the entire government institution, even with them...

01:32:07.720 There were some weird circumstances.

01:32:09.080 I'll give you that.

01:32:09.580 I mean, the information which leads us to the evidence of his motivating ideology is very

01:32:15.700 weird.

01:32:16.240 There were some weird circumstances.

01:32:17.420 However, what we can say is, there were transgender individuals, seven identified accounts so far

01:32:22.360 that expressed foreknowledge of the assassination.

01:32:25.140 Transgenders had nothing to do with this 22-year-old doing what he did. 0.60

01:32:28.040 There's no evidence for that.

01:32:29.180 There are seven accounts of transgender individuals.

01:32:30.920 Do you think a transgender was responsible for this? 0.99

01:32:33.100 I don't know.

01:32:33.220 Do you want to interrupt me, or am I going to make a point?

01:32:35.280 I'm sorry.

01:32:35.540 Go ahead.

01:32:36.220 There were seven accounts online from transgender individuals that expressed foreknowledge

01:32:40.900 of Charlie Kirk's murder.

01:32:42.820 We don't know if some of them were just lucky statements, like, Charlie Kirk will get what's

01:32:47.080 coming to him very soon.

01:32:48.480 But some of them were, tomorrow, there's going to be big news about Charlie Kirk, and he'll

01:32:52.260 regret it.

01:32:52.620 Things like that.

01:32:53.360 And we're like, okay, that's foreknowledge.

01:32:55.600 We do know, and again, if we trust the current state of the case, that the individual

01:33:01.320 Robinson stated in these messages that it was Charlie's hate, and that, you know, and

01:33:06.360 he loved this transgender, furry individual.

01:33:08.840 It appears, again, does not have been-

01:33:10.760 Why do you talk about a transgender like that? 1.00

01:33:12.900 A furry individual?

01:33:14.200 Because that's what they're saying.

01:33:16.160 You know what a furry is, right?

01:33:17.240 Yeah, I know.

01:33:18.160 I just feel like-

01:33:18.620 I mean, if the guy was a tress player, I'd say he was involved in justice.

01:33:21.020 I don't care what his sexuality is, and I don't care whether he's transgender or 1.00

01:33:23.860 not.

01:33:24.040 To me, it has no bearing, and there's no evidence.

01:33:25.260 What's the motivating ideology?

01:33:27.060 A transgender motivating ideology to murder Charlie Kirk. 0.99

01:33:29.820 Charlie Kirk was anti-trans, and was shot just after being asked a question about trans 0.91

01:33:33.680 people.

01:33:34.080 Well, number one, it wasn't a trans person that murdered Charlie Kirk, and number two,

01:33:36.900 it's yet to be proven-

01:33:37.260 It was the lover of a trans person.

01:33:38.420 It's yet to be proven that in a-

01:33:39.760 And I've already made that point.

01:33:41.160 I'm saying right now, we don't know for sure.

01:33:44.100 I don't know if we trust the FBI.

01:33:45.960 The circumstances are very strange, but the evidence points to a man who was in a relationship

01:33:51.720 with a transgender furry. 0.75

01:33:53.580 That matters because of the underlying ideology.

01:33:55.700 It connects to seven accounts online that expressed foreknowledge.

01:33:59.760 Again, investigated, not proven.

01:34:01.740 However, there are these Discord chats the FBI has polled and is investigating.

01:34:05.300 I don't understand the transgender stuff.

01:34:07.340 You know, every time there's a mass shooting-

01:34:08.520 The motivating ideology of the person who killed Charlie Kirk was that he was anti-trans, 0.51

01:34:12.540 and this person's lover was transgender.

01:34:14.320 So what does that mean?

01:34:14.920 Does that mean a lot of transgenders out there wanted Charlie Kirk dead? 0.97

01:34:17.980 Why are you saying that?

01:34:18.940 And I'm pointing out that Charlie Kirk was trans-critical, and there was a man accused

01:34:24.420 of killing him who was in a relationship with a trans person, and he allegedly said because

01:34:29.120 of his hate that he spreads.

01:34:30.820 So you think the trans person might have influenced him?

01:34:32.900 Is that what you're saying?

01:34:33.640 I'm saying there's an individual who was pro-trans, Charlie was anti-trans, that appears

01:34:37.740 to be the motivating ideology.

01:34:38.940 Okay, well, that's yet to be determined in a court of law.

01:34:41.280 We'll see how it goes there, but what I don't-

01:34:42.760 And there are people who think Israel did it.

01:34:44.480 Well, yeah. 0.99

01:34:44.980 I mean, I think that those people are fucking- 1.00

01:34:46.720 Sorry, idiots. 1.00

01:34:47.800 Those people are morons. 1.00

01:34:49.120 Listen, it's horrible. 1.00

01:34:50.300 I know you were friends with him.

01:34:52.640 I disagree with Destiny and a lot of other people that haven't completely denounced

01:34:56.380 this.

01:34:56.800 It is absolutely-

01:34:58.060 The man was a father.

01:34:58.880 He's a husband.

01:34:59.920 I despise a lot of the things he said.

01:35:02.200 I thought he spread a lot of bad things.

01:35:03.820 Like what?

01:35:04.400 Okay, let's start off with Paul Pelosi.

01:35:07.020 Okay, so-

01:35:08.400 And I've watched this video extensively, and listen, he called out what happened to Paul Pelosi,

01:35:13.360 the bludgeoned with a hammer, right?

01:35:14.340 He said, oh, that was horrible what happened to him.

01:35:16.120 But then with a smile on his face, this was like a day or two after, and by the way, Paul

01:35:20.080 Pelosi almost was killed, okay?

01:35:21.720 The guy's in jail right now.

01:35:23.160 He said he would call one of his listeners a hero if someone put up the bail for this guy.

01:35:28.460 He said it with a smirk on his face, and let's ask him some questions.

01:35:31.420 He said it with a smile on his face.

01:35:33.140 That would be like me going on the air, which by the way, I would never do, and say, hey,

01:35:37.240 let's raise some money for Tyler Robinson, and let's ask him some questions.

01:35:41.040 And if you raise money for Tyler Robinson and get him out of prison on bail, you're a hero.

01:35:48.100 Tim, that is despicable.

01:35:49.880 I am not a Nancy Pelosi fan.

01:35:51.740 I'm not a Paul Pelosi fan.

01:35:53.240 The guy almost died, okay?

01:35:56.560 I played the clip.

01:35:57.360 You could play it for yourself.

01:35:58.380 I think it's despicable.

01:35:59.460 Yeah, we should play it.

01:36:00.200 And Brian, real quick, I mean, you're saying that you just disagree to things he said, 0.99

01:36:04.220 but on October 30th, you said he's worse than garbage. 0.99

01:36:08.160 Yeah, I thought Charlie Kirk was garbage. 0.99

01:36:09.760 I stand by that statement, and I'll give you reasons why. 0.97

01:36:11.940 On July 7th, you said you hated him.

01:36:14.080 Yeah.

01:36:14.920 I don't believe you that you just disagree to things he said.

01:36:17.680 That sounds like you can't.

01:36:18.440 Okay, well, hold on.

01:36:19.060 Hold on a second.

01:36:19.420 I'll happily answer that.

01:36:20.660 I'll defend everything that I've said about him.

01:36:22.340 Now, I'm not going to outright defend every component of what Kirk said, but there is a

01:36:25.920 little bit more context.

01:36:27.260 Yeah, I know there's context.

01:36:27.920 Charlie Kirk was saying, so this is in the context of not knowing why the attacker did it.

01:36:32.920 The speculation from a lot of people was that there was some illicit activity going on with

01:36:36.860 the Pelosi's.

01:36:37.580 Which was not true.

01:36:38.360 It didn't make sense that they didn't have proper security.

01:36:40.840 Who was this weird guy?

01:36:42.300 Charlie Kirk said, bail him out and ask him some questions.

01:36:45.600 The guy almost died.

01:36:47.320 Now, listen, let me be clear.

01:36:48.660 Context.

01:36:49.220 Context.

01:36:49.840 Let me give you context.

01:36:50.520 Context.

01:36:50.720 Context matters.

01:36:51.300 You could do a two-hour podcast, and in 99% of that podcast, you can call out what happened

01:36:56.680 to Paul Pelosi.

01:36:57.460 But with a smile on your face, if you call somebody a hero for bailing a guy out who almost

01:37:02.700 killed somebody, I hate people who talk like that.

01:37:05.960 I'm looking at the New York Times. 0.99

01:37:07.180 I hate that.

01:37:07.540 I'm looking at all these places.

01:37:09.660 And there's a little bit of mention here.

01:37:13.540 For example, Politico says, top Republicans reject any link between GOP rhetoric and Paul

01:37:19.760 Pelosi assault.

01:37:20.740 Of course, you should reject any link. 0.98

01:37:25.580 Why is the Republican Party, why is the conservative movement to blame for gay schizophrenic nudists 1.00

01:37:33.340 that are hemp jewelry makers breaking into somebody's home or maybe not breaking into somebody's 0.95

01:37:39.360 home?

01:37:39.620 Why are we to blame for that exactly?

01:37:41.380 See, I got to pause real quick.

01:37:42.440 That's not the clip that I was talking about.

01:37:43.660 But yeah, go ahead.

01:37:44.180 Contemporary.

01:37:44.640 There's more.

01:37:45.380 It's got you.

01:37:46.060 I got you.

01:37:46.880 The contemporary context is what's important.

01:37:48.660 We cannot look back after already knowing the details, you know, and scoff at a comment

01:37:53.680 made at a time when we didn't know.

01:37:55.140 OK, but here's what I will say.

01:37:56.060 And why is he still in jail?

01:37:57.220 Why is he not been bailed out?

01:37:59.160 By the way, if some if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants

01:38:06.180 to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out.

01:38:09.800 I bet his bail is like 30 or 40 thousand bucks.

01:38:12.180 Bail him out and then go ask him some questions.

01:38:16.280 It's not a hero, Tim.

01:38:17.620 No matter what his bail is.

01:38:18.440 They're going after him with attempted murder, political assassination, all this sort of stuff.

01:38:23.140 I'm not qualifying it.

01:38:24.920 I think it's awful.

01:38:26.540 It's not right.

01:38:29.240 But why is it that in Chicago you're able to commit murder and be out the next day?

01:38:35.520 Why is it that you're able to trespass, second degree murder, arson, threat of public official,

01:38:41.140 cashless bail?

01:38:42.180 This happens all over San Francisco.

01:38:43.820 But if you go after the Pelosi's.

01:38:46.820 Oh, interesting.

01:38:48.060 Yeah, that's not true.

01:38:48.820 The full context is whether he's right or wrong.

01:38:51.300 He was wrong.

01:38:51.820 Attempted murder.

01:38:52.420 He's wrong.

01:38:52.840 He's making an argument that in these jurisdictions, they tend to revolving door a lot of these

01:38:58.280 criminals, but not the guy who attacked Paul Pelosi.

01:39:01.300 And he's making two points as it pertains to a midterm hero who would bail him out.

01:39:05.740 And that is show Democrats this is what you do and also ask him questions because at the

01:39:11.060 time they didn't know if this guy was like buying drugs or something.

01:39:14.100 I understand what you're saying.

01:39:15.260 Um, but the point that I'm just trying to make here, and I can give you many of other examples

01:39:19.840 day after somebody is almost killed with a hammer, you can have a conversation about,

01:39:24.960 well, geez, why are these people not getting bailed out?

01:39:27.220 And why are these people getting bail to call somebody a hero or a patriot, a midterm hero?

01:39:32.740 Yeah.

01:39:33.400 He also a patriot.

01:39:35.200 Just like, you know, it's funny.

01:39:36.240 I think they'd be a patriot because they would be able to ask this guy questions, which

01:39:39.600 got information, which then affected the midterms.

01:39:42.420 Don't you think it'd be a little bit more prevalent for law enforcement to ask him questions

01:39:45.480 than somebody who bailes him out? 0.98

01:39:46.780 It's ridiculous. 0.97

01:39:47.620 It's immaterial. 0.93

01:39:48.820 I give, I give Charlie Kirk's statement here a D minus.

01:39:52.140 Okay.

01:39:52.420 I appreciate that.

01:39:53.580 I don't think it's a, it was, it was a good thing to say, but I understand the greater

01:39:56.640 context of what he was saying.

01:39:57.880 I'll be at Charlie has had many statements where it's like, Charlie could have said that

01:40:02.840 a lot better.

01:40:03.880 If he came out, you shouldn't, you shouldn't call someone to hear over this.

01:40:06.640 It was very, very bad.

01:40:07.560 At the time we were all speculating as to what this actually could have been because it was

01:40:11.100 weird that the Pelosi's wouldn't have active security.

01:40:13.120 Did Matt Gaetz or Ted Cruz apologize when they tweeted out that it was some sort of gay, 0.98

01:40:17.780 retweeted and tweeted out that it was a gay relationship? 0.99

01:40:19.860 If you want to nitpick every time someone posted some silly nonsense. 0.99

01:40:22.580 Let's call it all out. 0.95

01:40:23.440 It's wrong.

01:40:24.040 But why don't, why don't they apologize for it?

01:40:25.840 Why don't they retract?

01:40:26.640 They never apologize.

01:40:27.440 Because it's a war.

01:40:28.960 That's not a, that's not a legitimate excuse.

01:40:30.820 It's not an excuse.

01:40:31.700 The terrorist attack in New Orleans.

01:40:32.720 It's an effective fact.

01:40:33.160 The terrorist attack in New Orleans.

01:40:34.760 We were being told that it was an undocumented immigrant.

01:40:37.080 No one's excusing.

01:40:38.100 The fact of the matter is.

01:40:39.100 Why can't people apologize?

01:40:40.000 Two factions are trying to rip each other to shreds and you're not going to convince

01:40:43.800 people on the right to apologize when the left doesn't apologize either.

01:40:45.960 I disagree with you.

01:40:47.040 The left is not going to apologize, bro.

01:40:48.840 Okay.

01:40:49.220 I can give you many examples of the left apologizing.

01:40:50.580 I can give you many examples of the right apologizing.

01:40:52.480 When does Donald Trump apologize for something?

01:40:53.980 Donald Trump?

01:40:54.980 Yeah.

01:40:55.120 He's the leader of, he's the leader of the Republican party.

01:40:57.840 Singular.

01:40:58.660 When, when has Obama apologized for the drone strikes?

01:41:01.560 Well, that's your opinion.

01:41:02.620 I'm talking about comments that you've made and.

01:41:04.680 We can easily pull up instances where the left and the right have apologized for things.

01:41:08.140 As to each other, it is mostly, and this is the funny thing, because I always find myself

01:41:12.960 in these positions where I'm like, yes, the right's not going to apologize.

01:41:15.500 And leftists are like, the right, ooh.

01:41:17.260 You are unable to step back from your position and see what's going on.

01:41:21.340 I am telling you, the right is going to say nasty things about the left and never apologize

01:41:25.060 for it.

01:41:25.400 And the left is going to say nasty things about the right and never apologize for it.

01:41:27.300 It's going to make it right.

01:41:27.760 Because indeed, it's not right.

01:41:29.240 It doesn't matter.

01:41:29.820 It's a war.

01:41:30.740 Donald Trump going after Letitia James and Adam Schiff is not because he's like, I want

01:41:34.540 retribution.

01:41:35.240 It's because he's like, I'm at war with these people.

01:41:37.880 He is going after them for, I would say, tangible political effects that he wants to obtain.

01:41:46.020 He's not like Adam Schiff's going to suffer.

01:41:47.600 He's going, take Adam Schiff off the chessboard.

01:41:49.420 OK, I understand, Tim, I understand what you're saying, but it goes back to my original

01:41:53.180 question, which I disagree with you on.

01:41:54.880 And if you could give me another example, can you name me?

01:41:57.440 And again, I'm sorry for the loss of your friend.

01:41:59.620 I am a compassionate person.

01:42:01.080 What happened to him is terrible.

01:42:02.000 And I want to emphasize that over and over again.

01:42:03.600 And by the way, any Democrat, anybody, I'm not talking about an elected official who 0.90

01:42:06.980 has celebrated his death, is despicable.

01:42:09.040 And I've called that out on my show constantly.

01:42:11.300 We need to call out political violence on both sides.

01:42:13.980 It does happen on both sides.

01:42:15.580 We had a guy go into a church in Michigan who was a huge Trump supporter who shot up

01:42:18.580 a bunch of people.

01:42:19.360 I'm just making the case.

01:42:19.760 What was that one?

01:42:20.880 He went in there.

01:42:21.700 He's a huge staunch Trump supporter. 0.96

01:42:23.120 He went in there and he shot a bunch of people. 0.60

01:42:24.460 People are saying because he was anti-Christian. 0.97

01:42:26.620 It was a Christian hate crime. 0.84

01:42:27.780 No, this was the Mormon, right? 0.91

01:42:30.320 I don't know what his religion was.

01:42:31.720 I just know that he was a Trump supporter.

01:42:33.060 Right.

01:42:33.180 But this was a Trump supporter indeed.

01:42:34.860 He had American flags.

01:42:35.680 Sure, sure.

01:42:36.700 The attack wasn't political.

01:42:39.140 Yeah, yeah.

01:42:39.780 This was the guy had a problem with individuals in the church.

01:42:43.260 He was a Republican.

01:42:44.500 He was a Trump supporter.

01:42:44.880 That's not political violence.

01:42:45.780 Okay.

01:42:46.080 Well, listen.

01:42:46.480 But I also don't believe your full-throated condemnation when you said you hate him and 1.00

01:42:50.400 you believe he's worse than garbage. 0.99

01:42:51.800 I think Osama bin Laden was that and I celebrated. 1.00

01:42:53.760 Okay.

01:42:54.140 So there's a difference.

01:42:54.480 Why aren't you celebrating?

01:42:55.380 I hate people that... 0.55

01:42:57.840 He hates people. 0.95

01:42:58.420 He admitted it.

01:42:59.060 We got you.

01:42:59.500 He said he hates Charlie Kirk.

01:43:00.420 I don't hate Tim.

01:43:01.280 I don't hate Tim because we're both two bald white brothers. 0.98

01:43:04.380 I actually am enjoying this conversation, even though I've been called retarded. 0.96

01:43:08.460 That's okay. 0.58

01:43:08.820 You can't do that.

01:43:09.380 I'm mixed race.

01:43:10.280 You can't.

01:43:10.660 You're oppressing me.

01:43:11.380 Listen.

01:43:11.840 I'm going to be very clear on this, okay?

01:43:14.680 I hated Charlie Kirk.

01:43:16.900 You can tell.

01:43:17.560 Okay.

01:43:17.980 Now, it doesn't mean that I wanted him to be murdered.

01:43:21.140 I want to be very clear on that.

01:43:22.340 He was a father.

01:43:23.000 He was a husband.

01:43:23.400 My understanding was a good father, right? 0.97

01:43:27.120 I hate the constant attacks on brown people, on gay people, on women who get abortions, 0.94

01:43:35.640 calling them murderers, which, by the way, he's called time and time again, which I think 0.99

01:43:39.340 is absurd.

01:43:41.220 I don't like what he stood for.

01:43:43.160 Now, I give him credit for building what he built with Turning Point USA.

01:43:47.780 Quite an accomplishment, the following that he had.

01:43:49.860 But I'm not going to celebrate his life.

01:43:52.760 I would certainly never celebrate his death. 0.84

01:43:56.100 I can tell you I hate Donald Trump. 0.93

01:43:58.700 I hate everything he stands for. 0.95

01:44:00.680 Doesn't mean that I want him to be assassinated because I don't.

01:44:03.900 What happened to Charlie Kirk is terrible for the country.

01:44:06.760 It's terrible.

01:44:07.720 It's terrible what happened that day.

01:44:08.920 I know people that were 10 feet away.

01:44:10.580 It's awful.

01:44:11.700 And I was emotional because I'm a human being and I have compassion for people.

01:44:15.760 I can hate what somebody stands for and still have compassion for somebody.

01:44:20.280 I didn't have compassion for Osama bin Laden.

01:44:22.880 I'm not.

01:44:23.640 You think I would compare.

01:44:24.800 Hold on a second. 0.98

01:44:25.460 That's ridiculous. 0.99

01:44:26.260 You think I would compare Charlie Kirk to being a mass murderer and a terrorist? 1.00

01:44:30.520 He's worse than garbage. 1.00

01:44:31.640 OK. 1.00

01:44:32.020 Saying somebody is worse than garbage is not saying that I think he's a terrorist that's 0.99

01:44:36.280 responsible for murdering hundreds of that. 1.00

01:44:37.820 That's a ridiculous statement. 0.88

01:44:38.060 But let's move a little bit forward because we've got a few minutes left. 0.91

01:44:41.340 OK.

01:44:41.660 You brought up abortion. 0.74

01:44:42.720 Yeah.

01:44:43.160 I'm curious what your abortion position is. 1.00

01:44:45.680 Oh, boy.

01:44:46.020 We're another.

01:44:47.100 I know.

01:44:47.360 It's the hottest subject.

01:44:48.380 You know, it's like the hardest.

01:44:48.840 So here's my opinion, Tim.

01:44:49.840 OK.

01:44:50.780 If it was like a six month or four month thing, I would be OK with that.

01:44:56.360 I think it's reprehensible if there are women out there that are using abortion as birth 1.00

01:45:00.220 control.

01:45:00.980 But I don't want to tell a woman. 1.00

01:45:01.840 I don't want to tell a woman what to do with her body. 0.99

01:45:04.180 OK.

01:45:05.180 I don't want the government involved in telling women what to do with their bodies. 1.00

01:45:08.040 I don't know what it's like to be pregnant.

01:45:09.400 Yes, I can.

01:45:09.780 Six months is viable.

01:45:10.800 OK.

01:45:11.160 Well, maybe four months.

01:45:12.280 I'd be OK with that as well.

01:45:13.320 But especially in some states in this country, if you're the victim of incest or rape, you

01:45:19.900 have to be forced to have that child.

01:45:21.160 I find that to be reprehensible.

01:45:22.780 And for the people out there that are so anti-abortion, and I don't call it pro-life, for the people

01:45:26.820 out there that are anti-abortion, I ask you this question.

01:45:29.000 How many people have you adopted?

01:45:30.220 How many children have you adopted?

01:45:31.060 A lot, actually.

01:45:31.760 OK.

01:45:32.060 Well, I know a lot of people that have not.

01:45:33.420 And there are hundreds, hundreds of thousands of kids right now, Tim, that are waiting to

01:45:37.240 be adopted.

01:45:38.480 OK?

01:45:39.000 If abortion is illegal across the country, what are we going to do with all those kids?

01:45:42.880 It's a responsibility thing, too, though.

01:45:44.720 But this is – hold on.

01:45:45.340 This is not a real argument.

01:45:46.480 This is like –

01:45:47.740 You think abortion is murder?

01:45:49.120 Well, so if we can adopt every kid –

01:45:50.240 Well, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:45:51.700 The adoption thing is a meme, I think.

01:45:54.140 It's like a generality that's not correct.

01:45:56.280 I think the highest rates of adoption are among pro-life religious families, like the –

01:46:00.580 Evangelicals, Catholics. 1.00

01:46:01.600 Yeah.

01:46:01.660 Great.

01:46:02.340 And so this is not a real argument by the numbers.

01:46:05.200 And also, if we were to have every child adopted, can we then ban abortion?

01:46:09.000 Listen, if you want to have –

01:46:10.280 Oh, yeah.

01:46:10.300 How about that?

01:46:10.660 If you want to have 100 kids, Tim, wearing beanies, you're allowed to do that.

01:46:13.820 And I would say have as many children as you like.

01:46:16.080 But I don't like telling other people what to do.

01:46:18.540 You can vote for what you want.

01:46:19.940 You can have an abortion. 1.00

01:46:21.400 Listen, it's a very difficult thing for any woman to choose to do so.

01:46:25.200 But I don't want to tell – just like I didn't want people to be forced to get the jab.

01:46:29.660 Abortion is contraception. 0.63

01:46:31.020 You think should be allowed.

01:46:32.820 Not good, but legal.

01:46:34.520 I think that's reprehensible.

01:46:35.960 I'd also be okay with limiting how many abortions somebody could have.

01:46:39.500 Obviously, if somebody has five abortions – 1.00

01:46:41.400 We've got a problem.

01:46:41.860 Yeah, exactly.

01:46:42.980 Tim, we have a problem.

01:46:44.080 I'm traditional pro-choice.

01:46:46.080 I don't want to tell the guy with the hammer what to do.

01:46:48.760 So a quick story.

01:46:49.780 I know you're running out of time here.

01:46:50.960 I'm outside a Raiders game in Las Vegas.

01:46:52.440 I see a woman who's far right with a sign that says,

01:46:55.020 My body, my choice.

01:46:55.960 It was during COVID.

01:46:56.760 It was about the vaccines.

01:46:57.620 By the way, I wasn't for –

01:46:58.420 Which wasn't – meant to be a derisive comment about the left.

01:47:01.060 I wasn't for mandates.

01:47:02.320 I want to be very clear on that, okay?

01:47:03.860 But just to say, the reason they had that sign

01:47:05.660 is to attack the political statements of the pro-choice.

01:47:08.680 I understand that.

01:47:09.600 But then I said to her, okay, I'm with you.

01:47:11.640 My body, my choice.

01:47:13.440 What about if you're pregnant? 0.96

01:47:15.160 Is that your body, your choice?

01:47:16.400 Oh, that's very different.

01:47:18.200 Yes, because the point of the sign was to derisively insult the argument from the left.

01:47:22.600 Maybe with some people.

01:47:23.500 We know they disagree with it.

01:47:24.680 She wasn't the most intelligent person to have a conversation with.

01:47:27.120 But the argument there – and I'll fix it for her.

01:47:30.080 My body, my choice pertaining to the injection of a drug into your body

01:47:32.980 is very different from two different bodies in one space.

01:47:36.340 Okay.

01:47:36.820 Well, that would be your definition of what a body is.

01:47:39.060 And we can get into the weeds on that one.

01:47:40.600 It's not.

01:47:40.620 It's a literal definition.

01:47:41.160 We can get into the weeds on that one.

01:47:42.440 But there are brilliant people who perform pregnancies every day,

01:47:44.800 brilliant doctors who would disagree with you on that.

01:47:46.800 That's not an argument.

01:47:47.720 That's called appeal to authority.

01:47:48.360 Everybody has a different opinion on this, okay?

01:47:50.600 I just –

01:47:50.940 I mean, doctor license.

01:47:51.400 There are two distinct bodies in a –

01:47:53.800 a pregnant woman has a body within her and her own body. 0.97

01:47:56.740 And the argument from the right, whether you agree with them or not,

01:47:59.100 is that there are two distinct individuals at play.

01:48:01.080 But here's the big difference here, Tim.

01:48:03.040 Even though we disagree – well, we don't disagree.

01:48:05.820 Are you pro-life?

01:48:07.560 No.

01:48:08.040 Okay.

01:48:08.220 I probably – I'll just say I think abortion as contraception is wrong.

01:48:14.260 Yeah.

01:48:15.500 I'm largely in the Ron Paul camp of it should be illegal.

01:48:18.520 It should be unthinkable.

01:48:21.220 And I think the problem is as a culture and society,

01:48:25.180 women get abortions as contraception. 1.00

01:48:27.600 And to what number, I'm not arguing.

01:48:28.580 I'm saying they do.

01:48:29.220 Geography shouldn't play – sorry to interrupt.

01:48:30.600 Geography shouldn't play a role in a woman's body, though. 1.00

01:48:32.340 You would agree with that, right?

01:48:33.300 What does that mean?

01:48:33.840 What it means is in some states in this country, it is illegal for a woman to get an abortion.

01:48:37.820 And in some instances, she has to drive to another state.

01:48:41.440 Geography plays a role in murder laws.

01:48:43.460 Yeah.

01:48:44.060 Geography plays a role in drug laws.

01:48:45.580 I just have a problem with that.

01:48:46.780 I mean, this is a good way to reduce the culture. 0.97

01:48:48.380 Geography – what society you choose to – I disagree.

01:48:50.480 That's going to make it way worse.

01:48:51.380 No, to make it decentralized, I mean.

01:48:52.740 Yeah, hyperpolar – geographic hyperpolarization is what creates civil wars. 0.98

01:48:56.300 Yeah.

01:48:56.540 I agree with Tim on this one.

01:48:58.140 The Wade thing –

01:48:59.280 But it's happening no matter what we do.

01:49:00.520 Yeah.

01:49:01.100 See, me and Tim agree on some things.

01:49:02.540 When you have – so, the – our brother's up time and time again.

01:49:07.680 Colorado has unlimited abortion up to nine months.

01:49:10.780 Oklahoma has banned it outright.

01:49:13.460 Okay, so what's going to happen is women in Oklahoma are going to be like, oh my God, 1.00

01:49:16.540 I have to leave.

01:49:17.240 They'll go to Colorado.

01:49:18.020 Right.

01:49:18.360 And then men and – or I'll just say men and women in Oklahoma who are liberal are going 0.99

01:49:21.760 to be like, we better get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:49:22.960 And men and women in Colorado who are right-leaning are going to be like, holy crap, we got to get 0.99

01:49:25.780 the F out of here. 0.73

01:49:26.640 It's going to hyperpolarize both states, and that's going to entrench the political

01:49:30.900 worldview where – in the United States, we – in the 90s, we had a left and a right

01:49:34.440 that largely agreed with each other on most things.

01:49:36.560 The argument over abortion was the amount of weeks that it would be legal.

01:49:40.660 It was going back and forth.

01:49:41.700 Right was saying, we shouldn't have any abortion, and there was a compromise.

01:49:44.140 Okay, maybe six weeks, maybe 14.

01:49:45.740 Today, it's no abortion, all abortion. 0.82

01:49:48.620 What's going to happen now is in each hyperpolarized state – California, Oregon,

01:49:52.460 Washington, Illinois, as blue ones – the left and the right will –

01:49:56.280 will become moderate liberals and leftists.

01:49:59.880 And in red states, it's going to be moderate conservatives and the far right.

01:50:02.900 The split will continue to increase.

01:50:04.440 What this means is – so if in the United States as a whole, our left and right largely

01:50:11.000 agree with each other, you find a middle ground, which is very similar to both.

01:50:14.200 Yes.

01:50:14.420 If people geographically hyperpolarize, then you will get a moderate conservative, let's

01:50:19.140 say Indiana, debating a far right, ultra-nationalist or whatever, and you'll find a middle ground,

01:50:27.120 which is now relative – like no longer moderate.

01:50:30.700 Now it's staunch, hard conservative, and the blue states are staunch, hard left.

01:50:34.900 These individual states now looking at each other will be like, your worldview is so far

01:50:38.960 away from mine, you're a threat to my existence.

01:50:41.140 That is what has been happening.

01:50:42.900 New York saw, I think, 500,000 people leave since 2020.

01:50:47.340 These are all moderate to conservative individuals who left and went to other areas, entrenching

01:50:51.620 those politics.

01:50:52.540 The reason why Chicago is going the way it's going, the reason why Portland is going the

01:50:56.120 way it's going, where the cops are arresting conservatives, is because the state is now

01:50:59.960 a debate among various factions of left with no conservative, and the conservatives of left.

01:51:04.960 This will end up with Trump sending in the troops, as he's doing, and we'll end up with the

01:51:09.520 states defying it, which they are doing, and then ultimately, I think it's very likely

01:51:14.340 we get to a point where Trump suspends habeas corpus along the routes in which the troops

01:51:18.140 are being deployed, just like Abraham Lincoln did, and then after winning whatever reconstructive

01:51:22.600 or whatever war that happens, Congress will retroactively approve of Trump's actions.

01:51:25.880 There's two dimensions to it, which is the diverging values.

01:51:30.420 We're outside of a media monopoly, so people are rediscovering their values.

01:51:34.480 And then the other element is there's huge cultural differences within the U.S. that go

01:51:39.360 back to the settler groups that, even within intra-British separate districts, that still

01:51:47.920 make a huge difference on how we vote politically.

01:51:50.620 And so when you have a country with different cultures, just like Iraq, Sunni, Shiite, Kurd,

01:51:56.960 then you have this problem where one group's going to dominate the other, or you're going

01:52:00.840 to get a strong man.

01:52:01.840 The only way we can fix this is by reducing the power of the federal bureaucracy so there's

01:52:07.660 less to fight over.

01:52:08.420 But make no mistake about it, going back to abortion, the reason why in some states in 1.00

01:52:11.980 this country there's no exceptions for rape or incest is because of Donald Trump, because

01:52:16.020 he appointed these people on the Supreme Court who overturned Roe versus Wade.

01:52:20.140 Now, you could have your opinions on abortion, and that's fine, but it is so beyond unreasonable

01:52:24.520 to me to look at a 13-year-old girl in the eye and say, hey, you have to have that, for 0.98

01:52:28.900 lack of a better term, rape, baby. 1.00

01:52:31.100 People are sick. 1.00

01:52:32.360 Now, if you want to have your daughter, that's your business. 0.99

01:52:34.980 I'm not going to get involved.

01:52:35.940 But there are states in this country, Tim, and that is because of Donald Trump, because

01:52:39.440 he appointed certain members on the Supreme Court who overturned Roe versus Wade.

01:52:43.120 We need to get in the middle.

01:52:44.360 Let's get in the middle here.

01:52:45.480 There's things I hate, too.

01:52:46.620 Like, I hate health care regulation.

01:52:48.960 I really hate it.

01:52:49.800 I think it kills hundreds of millions of people and causes untold devastation.

01:52:53.920 But I'm in support of the New England states forming their own health care association because

01:52:58.880 they don't like what RFK is doing, right?

01:53:00.840 Yep.

01:53:01.060 And you can't really get rid of the federal bureaucracy until you remove those dependencies

01:53:06.180 by having these alternate solutions elsewhere.

01:53:09.180 Right.

01:53:09.380 So with the last few minutes we have, I'll point out Roe v. Wade being challenged in any

01:53:18.040 way ultimately will lead to a conclusion that you will absolutely despise.

01:53:21.200 And we're only halfway there.

01:53:22.800 I think the next move from the Supreme Court will likely be to have a nationwide ban on

01:53:26.820 abortion.

01:53:27.120 The reason why is the 14th Amendment, which I will read.

01:53:30.160 All persons born or naturalized in the United States are subject to the jurisdiction thereof, 0.80

01:53:34.200 or, I'm sorry, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States

01:53:38.120 and of the state wherein they reside.

01:53:40.500 No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of

01:53:44.620 citizens of the United States, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty,

01:53:48.260 or property without due process of law, nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction

01:53:52.160 the equal protection of the laws.

01:53:53.760 What I see as being very obvious is, first, in the 14th Amendment, you have the question

01:53:57.320 of definition of person.

01:53:59.040 Person and citizen are completely different.

01:54:00.980 A person can be born, implying that there are persons who are not yet born.

01:54:04.320 It says, all persons born or naturalized.

01:54:06.520 Now, they're making a reference to persons who exist outside of the United States who were

01:54:10.960 not born here.

01:54:11.540 There is also going to be an interpretation that a person born implies a person unborn.

01:54:17.840 Whether you agree with that argument or not, I think the conservative Supreme Court will

01:54:20.300 side on the fact that the unborn is a person.

01:54:22.840 No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of

01:54:25.720 citizens of the United States, nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty,

01:54:29.440 or property without due process of law.

01:54:31.020 What's likely going to happen, in my opinion, when this question next arises, because liberals

01:54:34.880 will likely challenge the law once again in some state, it will then go up to the courts.

01:54:39.200 The Supreme Court will then have to answer the question of personhood as it pertains to

01:54:42.680 the 14th Amendment and the unborn.

01:54:44.360 The conservatives will likely agree.

01:54:46.840 There is a—this is actually a component of Roe v. Wade.

01:54:49.200 They were trying to determine at what point the unborn is a person.

01:54:52.260 And so they settled on there's some point at which it's no longer a fetus that can't

01:54:57.500 survive on its own.

01:54:58.000 It's survivable on its own.

01:54:58.820 It is now an individual person that can be killed.

01:55:00.480 I believe the Supreme Court's largely going to say, you cannot terminate the life of a

01:55:05.660 person without due process.

01:55:08.020 That means a woman will not be able to get an abortion with that court order. 1.00

01:55:11.780 Wow.

01:55:12.640 That's—and that's a reading of the—

01:55:13.760 That's going to be wild.

01:55:14.580 That's going to be wild.

01:55:15.120 I don't think you want that.

01:55:16.280 No, I think the issue is, we don't want abortion as contraception, but you can't stop 0.96

01:55:21.080 that by matter of law.

01:55:22.280 Right.

01:55:22.860 It's an issue of culture that your society will allow—

01:55:24.600 You'll meet somewhere in the middle.

01:55:25.400 Let's do four months, right?

01:55:26.880 Four months is nuts, because four months is actually borderline viable.

01:55:29.180 Three months?

01:55:30.980 Three months is like a group.

01:55:32.680 A woman doesn't know she's pregnant for what? 1.00

01:55:34.600 A month, maybe?

01:55:35.740 I think the argument is like six weeks.

01:55:37.700 The challenge is technology—you don't want to make that argument, and I'll tell you why.

01:55:40.720 Because technology is rapidly advancing to where if the argument is time period, then

01:55:45.520 you'll ban abortion.

01:55:46.640 So right now, they already have technology to incubate babies in artificial wombs.

01:55:51.500 So if the argument is viability, then the argument is all babies are viable from the

01:55:56.780 moment of conception.

01:55:57.320 So if you argue time frame based on viability, then it's going to ban outright.

01:56:02.040 They're going to say, okay.

01:56:02.820 But here's the argument I would throw to you.

01:56:06.240 Would you accept a circumstance in which a woman could terminate an abortion at—I'm

01:56:09.780 sorry, terminate a pregnancy at any time?

01:56:11.700 Of course not.

01:56:12.420 But—no, no, no, hold on.

01:56:13.520 But the baby would then be placed in an artificial womb and grown, and it lives.

01:56:17.360 It doesn't die.

01:56:18.920 That's a tough question.

01:56:19.860 I've never been asked that one before.

01:56:21.020 I think it's a very difficult circumstance because then you're a mother that knows that

01:56:25.340 you have a child out there somewhere that you—

01:56:27.540 That's not a justification for killing the child.

01:56:30.540 I think that would be very difficult.

01:56:32.220 I think that should be the choice of the mother. 0.99

01:56:34.260 To kill the baby? 0.97

01:56:35.460 No. 0.99

01:56:36.080 To do what you are saying is to put it in another circumstance where the child could survive.

01:56:41.420 Here's the legal problem.

01:56:42.740 Here's the problem.

01:56:43.980 The court is going to ask if the—whatever you want to call it, fetus or otherwise—can

01:56:49.580 survive, for what reason is it being killed?

01:56:53.680 Who's going to pay for it?

01:56:54.900 No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on.

01:56:55.880 For what reason should a woman have the right to choose a life she doesn't have to carry? 1.00

01:57:00.480 Do you want to start with the extreme circumstances or, you know—

01:57:03.420 Like, I'm talking about a legal argument in the court of law saying, your honor—

01:57:06.040 If someone's the victim of sexual assault, if someone's incest, if there's a situation

01:57:11.080 where maybe—

01:57:12.640 In what circumstance are you allowed to kill someone because they were a product of incest 0.67

01:57:16.940 or rape? 0.98

01:57:17.800 I would say they should be allowed to have an abortion. 1.00

01:57:21.280 We're kind of going back and forth on three months or four months.

01:57:24.000 I'm okay with either of those.

01:57:25.380 I'm not saying that.

01:57:26.220 I'm saying we already have artificial womb technology. 0.98

01:57:29.280 Yes.

01:57:29.680 Conservatives are largely opposed to it.

01:57:30.700 Yes.

01:57:31.500 A woman says, I want an abortion, but a court says, okay, but we are going to incubate 1.00

01:57:36.540 the zygote because it can survive.

01:57:39.060 What then becomes the argument for the woman saying, no, no, no, kill it anyway? 0.60

01:57:42.780 Well, I think—I don't speak for women. 0.97

01:57:47.780 I certainly don't speak for women that are pregnant or that want an abortion, but I could 0.67

01:57:52.280 make the argument that the woman could say, well, I don't want to know, and you might

01:57:56.880 say this is not a good—

01:57:58.580 It's not an argument for me.

01:57:59.580 It's an argument for law, and I don't think the law would agree with what you're saying.

01:58:02.020 Yeah.

01:58:02.320 I mean, listen—

01:58:02.940 A woman doesn't want a child and finds out later she has one, so she wants the child 1.00

01:58:05.420 to kill.

01:58:05.640 It's not an argument to terminate the life of a child.

01:58:08.180 So this is where I think we're going.

01:58:09.740 It's a difficult question to answer.

01:58:11.280 I think where we will end up largely is going to be.

01:58:14.140 Women will have the right to terminate their pregnancies, and they're going to terminate 1.00

01:58:19.340 it, but transform—

01:58:20.440 Forcing that woman to have that, to be pregnant for all those months? 0.99

01:58:23.700 No, no, no, no, no.

01:58:24.400 They're going to take the baby out, even six weeks in, and put it in an artificial womb. 0.99

01:58:27.940 Okay.

01:58:28.280 The woman will leave and be like, I'm not pregnant anymore. 1.00

01:58:29.820 It's not my kid.

01:58:30.300 I was unaware that they have that technology right now to do that.

01:58:33.340 I was unaware of that.

01:58:34.700 It's—oh, bro, let me—

01:58:37.300 Can I ask you another question?

01:58:39.340 Will that child, or to be a child, whatever your definition is of a human being, they will

01:58:44.580 have foster parents?

01:58:45.420 Is there a guarantee that that child will be able to live with parents?

01:58:48.780 Well, I can't see that far, but what I can say is—

01:58:50.720 That's an important question, though, don't you think?

01:58:52.180 Of course it is, but it's an after-the-fact question.

01:58:54.120 The question of what we do for children is a question we must answer now.

01:58:57.740 That I'm bringing up a circumstance in which abortion may end because we can grow life

01:59:02.920 in plastic bags.

01:59:03.700 But one of the arguments—

01:59:04.780 Look at this picture.

01:59:05.400 I understand.

01:59:06.200 It's hard to look at.

01:59:07.220 One of my arguments from the right is that, you know, people get involved in crime because

01:59:10.880 they're raised without parents, you know, the nuclear family.

01:59:13.640 If—I'm just saying, if that did happen and there was a law that was passed, I would

01:59:18.180 want to make sure that that child would have parents.

01:59:21.660 You know, I don't want them waiting for decades to get foster parents.

01:59:25.880 So I think if that child would be guaranteed to have a parent or parents, then I think I

01:59:31.600 might feel a little bit differently. 0.52

01:59:32.780 So if they want parents, we execute them. 0.97

01:59:34.740 No, but I mean— 0.98

01:59:35.240 Well, that's your definition.

01:59:36.360 You see, that's where the problem lies.

01:59:37.880 Here's the issue.

01:59:39.080 Execution, and I disagree.

01:59:39.720 The argument in court has always been viability.

01:59:42.760 If the baby can survive on its own, you can't kill it.

01:59:45.260 So my position—we are rapidly approaching technologically a position where the baby never

01:59:49.340 has to be terminated.

01:59:50.300 The pregnancy can be terminated.

01:59:51.540 Have Republicans put forth some sort of bill or anything in—

01:59:54.760 Related to this?

01:59:55.340 Yeah.

01:59:55.640 Republicans are opposed to artificial wombs.

01:59:57.840 They are.

01:59:58.540 I mean, come on.

01:59:59.500 Look at that thing, dude.

02:00:00.840 I got to tell you, I'm not a big fan of it myself, but it doesn't matter what I'm a

02:00:05.200 fan of.

02:00:05.880 The fact that technology exists means that a woman can say, I will not carry this 1.00

02:00:09.720 pregnancy, and the court can say, but you don't need to kill it.

02:00:12.140 Isn't it a moot point, though, if Republicans aren't going to pass something like this?

02:00:15.460 It's not.

02:00:16.480 Technology creates—technology largely dictates our culture.

02:00:20.400 Yeah.

02:00:20.700 So, like, the expansion of radio, TV, and then cell phones dramatically changed how we

02:00:24.060 perceive and interact with the world.

02:00:24.660 But can you put yourself in a position of one of these women for a moment?

02:00:28.720 You're in a horrible situation. 1.00

02:00:29.680 Let's just say you're raped. 1.00

02:00:30.560 Horrible, right? 0.99

02:00:30.880 But real quick, you don't need to be in a position of a woman— 1.00

02:00:36.200 Who's in this situation, which we'll never be in.

02:00:37.940 Might have children, too.

02:00:39.660 Yeah, no, I understand that.

02:00:40.780 But just put yourself in a position of the woman who's pregnant, who, for whatever reason, 0.97

02:00:44.840 wants to have an abortion, and then five, ten years, twenty years down the road, knowing,

02:00:49.040 hey, I got a ten-year-old out there.

02:00:50.420 That's actually been true for men for all of human history.

02:00:52.860 I understand that, but the man isn't the one that actually has the baby and pregnant.

02:00:56.820 So the issue is this.

02:00:59.200 Men throughout history, some who have wanted children and some who have not, have found

02:01:02.840 out years later they had kids they never knew about, but women never experienced that 0.63

02:01:06.160 because women have the kids. 1.00

02:01:07.420 Right.

02:01:07.860 So circumstances where, in the more extreme, a woman pokes a hole in a condom and tricks 1.00

02:01:12.520 the guy, and the guy has no idea.

02:01:13.580 Right.

02:01:13.860 Which is a crime.

02:01:14.940 Indeed.

02:01:15.300 Or the inverse, where a guy rapes the woman, and then she has the kid a long time later.

02:01:18.280 Right. 0.75

02:01:18.440 But this is creating a circumstance where, yeah, you don't get to just kill an unborn

02:01:24.040 fetus, whatever you want to call it, if it can be saved by the doctor.

02:01:27.160 And I believe you will likely lose every argument, because the majority of people don't want

02:01:31.440 limitless abortion.

02:01:32.480 If you go to the average person and say, we have a great compromise, women can get an 1.00

02:01:35.800 abortion whenever they want, and the baby will be saved.

02:01:37.920 My biggest concern is I want to make sure that there are parents out there that are able

02:01:41.900 to take care of these kids.

02:01:43.200 Agreed.

02:01:43.540 And that's a question for now, not a question related to technology.

02:01:46.340 So we already have an issue.

02:01:47.080 We have that issue now already.

02:01:48.400 Right.

02:01:48.680 So that's something we can solve now and discuss, and there's a big political debate

02:01:51.060 on how we do it.

02:01:51.940 The issue with the advent of this technology, perhaps it will exacerbate this problem, but

02:01:56.100 there is no legal argument for the termination of a life if the life can be saved.

02:02:00.900 You can grant the woman the right to end the pregnancy, and I don't want to have a kid 1.00

02:02:04.200 is not an argument.

02:02:04.920 I just hate the term pro-life.

02:02:06.220 Can I tell you why?

02:02:07.060 I don't know if we...

02:02:07.560 I hate the term pro-life. 0.94

02:02:09.000 I hate them both.

02:02:09.240 Pro-choice and pro-life are terrible terms.

02:02:10.520 I agree with you.

02:02:11.540 I don't like the term pro-life, because a lot of people that call themselves pro-life, and after the

02:02:15.320 baby is born, everything they do is to the opposite of that.

02:02:18.680 There are a lot of...

02:02:19.100 That's a meme.

02:02:19.520 Well, there's a lot of...

02:02:20.300 It is a meme.

02:02:21.520 I mean...

02:02:21.840 There's a lot of Republicans out there that vote against maternity leave. 0.73

02:02:24.200 There's a lot of Republicans out there that vote against welfare and food stamps.

02:02:26.820 Why?

02:02:27.060 Why?

02:02:27.360 Why?

02:02:27.500 Why?

02:02:27.600 Well, I don't speak for Republicans, and I can tell you why I'm okay with food stamps

02:02:31.900 and welfare.

02:02:32.320 So the important argument, the understanding is, while I largely don't agree with many of

02:02:36.300 those Republican policies, I do understand why they vote for them.

02:02:38.740 Oh, they think there's abuse and waste of money, and people are lazy, and they...

02:02:41.220 That's not the principal argument.

02:02:42.540 What's the principal argument?

02:02:43.680 Babies should be raised by their mothers. 1.00

02:02:45.940 Welfare creates dependency classes, which hurts the child and results in fatherlessness.

02:02:50.780 I mean, listen to Thomas Sowell.

02:02:52.140 There's a lot of...

02:02:52.380 If you want to listen to what conservatives actually believe, you have to listen to...

02:02:54.800 And I'm wondering how many of those people were in a situation where they didn't have

02:02:57.640 any money.

02:02:58.060 A lot of the people that I've spoken to, food stamps, welfare, unemployment, maternity

02:03:01.900 leave, have helped people in many a cases.

02:03:04.580 Surface level.

02:03:05.460 But it creates extended problems, and that's the conservative argument.

02:03:08.660 Then what are they going to do then?

02:03:09.580 If a mother has no money, what are they doing? 1.00

02:03:11.860 You need to build a culture.

02:03:13.060 I'll go ahead.

02:03:13.300 Yeah, it's all about...

02:03:15.240 You need to remove dependencies to be able to actually cut government.

02:03:20.820 So you don't think we should have unemployment benefits?

02:03:22.720 We shouldn't have unemployment benefits?

02:03:23.820 We shouldn't have maternity leave? 1.00

02:03:25.140 As an ideal, potentially, we shouldn't have anything.

02:03:28.800 But I don't think we should get rid of it while we're tying people's hands behind their

02:03:32.300 back with this regulation that's enforcing this oligopoly, and four companies dominate

02:03:37.580 80% of each market.

02:03:38.900 Wait, hold on.

02:03:39.280 You can't learn skills, and now you're going to take away the benefits, and then people 0.94

02:03:43.080 are screwed.

02:03:43.540 So what we need to do is we need to give people an opportunity to be able to thrive, and that's 0.97

02:03:48.660 going to create the slack to where we can actually get rid of some of these...

02:03:51.060 That's the jobs reports we've had in years, okay?

02:03:55.240 And whether you want to blame Trump for that or not, or the tariffs, that's another conversation.

02:03:58.620 But you're telling me someone who works really hard, who makes $30,000, $35,000 a year,

02:04:04.100 very little money, living paycheck to paycheck, they lose their job.

02:04:07.120 They're not fired for cause.

02:04:08.220 They just lose their job.

02:04:09.920 And you don't think they should get maybe three months or six months of unemployment benefits?

02:04:13.280 In this situation, they absolutely should.

02:04:15.240 Well, you just said no to unemployment.

02:04:16.520 No, no, no, hold on.

02:04:16.960 I'm talking about as an ideal North Star.

02:04:18.700 I want to get to the point where we're not relying on psychopaths for our...

02:04:21.240 You're thinking short-term.

02:04:22.680 Short-term, we all agree.

02:04:23.500 Well, you need immediate help, yeah, of course.

02:04:24.820 Short-term.

02:04:25.300 Yeah.

02:04:25.660 But we don't want to create a system that creates dependencies and perpetuates problems.

02:04:30.800 So the conservative argument tends to be we would be better off with neighbors helping

02:04:35.000 neighbors and communities being connected to each other, and welfare systems break those

02:04:40.940 things apart.

02:04:41.900 So the idea is, how do we get to a place where when someone loses their job, his community,

02:04:46.240 his neighbors are there for them?

02:04:47.580 There's not this fear that it could ever happen because all of our culture is there for you.

02:04:50.620 We used to have private welfare.

02:04:52.140 It would be very hard to establish that in these conditions.

02:04:52.940 Okay, but I agree.

02:04:53.500 But do you think it's neighbors policy-wise?

02:04:55.540 Is it neighbors helping neighbors when we give some of the biggest tax breaks to the tech

02:04:59.040 billionaires, like all the billionaires in this country?

02:05:00.860 To me, that's not neighbor helping neighbor.

02:05:02.000 The tax argument is unrelated to the welfare argument.

02:05:04.700 Well, but you're talking about, let's help people that are struggling.

02:05:06.960 That's the conversation we're having, right?

02:05:08.220 This is what billionaires do, right?

02:05:09.500 They say, oh, yeah, I'm Warren Buffett.

02:05:11.500 I care about the poor.

02:05:12.840 I'm fine giving another 10% to tax.

02:05:15.480 Just don't touch the regulatory monopoly that upholds 80% of my market share, and I'll

02:05:19.420 make that deal.

02:05:19.840 But I don't believe that if you're a billionaire, you should be paying a lower amount percentage-wise

02:05:23.780 on taxes than a household income of, say, $50,000 a year.

02:05:26.560 The issue is just, we're out of time.

02:05:28.680 We're going over.

02:05:28.900 We got it wrapped.

02:05:29.660 But the issue is simply this.

02:05:32.100 In the long term, the span of generations, these policies will be destructive to the United

02:05:35.820 States.

02:05:36.140 Yeah.

02:05:36.660 Yeah.

02:05:37.000 For the record, Tim, I just, before we go, I hope you don't think I'm a retard.

02:05:41.000 I had fun this year.

02:05:41.920 For the record.

02:05:42.460 I was hoping we could swap hats, by the way.

02:05:44.420 I was hoping we could do that.

02:05:45.300 I ain't wearing one of those.

02:05:45.780 I ain't wearing one of those.

02:05:45.800 Who bald?

02:05:46.280 Why?

02:05:46.840 Why?

02:05:47.220 That would require a reveal.

02:05:48.680 I actually like to.

02:05:49.360 No, I already took my hat off on Matanzio.

02:05:50.720 No, I had so many people coming up to me saying, why are you going to do his show?

02:05:52.960 I said, I kind of, I have a soft spot for Tim.

02:05:54.980 I don't know why.

02:05:55.680 I got no hair.

02:05:56.980 We're brothers.

02:05:58.340 Okay, we did go over.

02:05:59.340 Do you want to add anything, shine anything out?

02:06:00.480 First of all, thank you for having me on.

02:06:02.440 I had a good time.

02:06:03.540 I really appreciate it.

02:06:04.340 And I know we're going to be in Washington, D.C. on November 8th.

02:06:06.400 I'm really looking forward to that.

02:06:07.480 Dating.

02:06:07.780 Yeah.

02:06:08.560 You know, you see how I am now.

02:06:09.980 It's going to be a lot of fun up there.

02:06:10.940 It's going to be great.

02:06:11.520 So my YouTube page is at PTL Radio Show.

02:06:14.540 I don't have the following that Tim has, a sliver.

02:06:17.080 But at PTL Radio Show, my website is pushingthelimits.live.

02:06:21.160 I do a show Monday through Friday.

02:06:23.340 YouTube, TikTok, you know, everywhere.

02:06:25.080 At PTL Radio Show.

02:06:26.360 And again, I appreciate you guys.

02:06:28.780 Oh, thanks for coming, man.

02:06:29.500 I appreciate you guys inviting me.

02:06:30.720 Absolutely.

02:06:31.140 I appreciate it.

02:06:31.700 And then, yeah, I would say just Free Shane Malone, who's Lamonde, who's the police officer

02:06:37.300 who was trying to bring tensions down on Jan 6th.

02:06:42.480 And then FreeIanNow.org.

02:06:47.520 FreeIanNow.org.

02:06:48.680 Please sign that petition to help a crypto guy who's been unfairly prosecuted, as many of them have.

02:06:55.680 And then I would just close off with Watch History 102, which is a great show that gets

02:07:00.380 into some of the themes that are behind all these political disagreements.

02:07:04.640 And to summarize, the Deep South was settled by English aristocrats who were in for 200

02:07:11.940 years in South America first.

02:07:13.380 So it's very authoritarian.

02:07:15.000 The New England is also authoritarian because it was settled by Calvinist theocrats who wanted

02:07:19.760 to create their own Church of England.

02:07:21.020 So we need an alliance between Appalachia and the Midlands to tamp down some of this

02:07:25.680 crazy.

02:07:26.500 And for the record, 10 seconds, I just want to say I've heard rumors, allegedly, that

02:07:29.920 people on the left, they'll do your show, and they'll say they'll come back, and then

02:07:33.380 they don't come back.

02:07:34.280 Indeed.

02:07:34.700 For the record, I am not one of those people.

02:07:37.000 I've actually...

02:07:37.560 You also didn't ask for 50 grand.

02:07:39.120 It's true.

02:07:39.700 No comment there.

02:07:40.540 I know who you're talking about.

02:07:41.620 No comment.

02:07:42.300 I would rather have a conversation...

02:07:43.980 And I know you're like this, too.

02:07:44.940 And that's what I like about what you do.

02:07:46.580 I would rather have conversations with people that I disagree with than people that I agree

02:07:50.420 with.

02:07:50.680 I think it's boring.

02:07:51.180 Hey, here, here, here, here.

02:07:51.680 So I appreciate it.

02:07:52.380 Right on.

02:07:52.620 Thank you.

02:07:53.300 Take us home, Tate.

02:07:54.080 At Real Tate Brown everywhere.

02:07:55.800 I'll see you in, like, tonight for TimCast IRL, and we'll see you at the Great Riz Debate.

02:08:00.560 I'm excited for that.

02:08:01.380 Great Riz Debate. 0.97

02:08:01.860 I don't think you're garbage, by the way. 0.97

02:08:03.420 All right, everybody. 0.77

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - October 24, 2025

Leftist TERROR Attack On Coast Guard, Liberals Claim Trump Is A TYRANT DEBATE w⧸ Austin Padgett & Brian Shapiro

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The Culture War - Tim Pool - October 24, 2025

Leftist TERROR Attack On Coast Guard, Liberals Claim Trump Is A TYRANT DEBATE w⧸ Austin Padgett &#x26; Brian Shapiro

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Leftist TERROR Attack On Coast Guard, Liberals Claim Trump Is A TYRANT DEBATE w⧸ Austin Padgett & Brian Shapiro