The Culture War - Tim Pool - Leftists RAID Church Service, Don Lemon WILL Be Charged ft. Auron MacIntyre

00:00:00.000 But Oran, I'm glad you're here. Everyone, I imagine, in the Temicus audience is quite familiar with who you are.

00:00:04.680 But maybe before we launch in, you could give a quick intro for people that maybe aren't.

00:00:08.740 Sure. I'm the host of the Oran McIntyre show. I'm on Blaze TV, YouTube, Rumble, all the places you expect.

00:00:14.560 Podcast is on Apple, Spotify, all those places. I also write books. I wrote The Total State, write a regular column for Blaze News.

00:00:23.260 Amazing. Well, before we get in, I was playing, obviously, all the footage, some of the reaction from across the right.

00:00:28.280 And then, obviously, the DOJ's intention to prosecute everyone that was involved in this raid in St. Paul, at this beautiful, beautiful church in St. Paul.

00:00:38.380 I wanted to get your reaction to the raid and then maybe sort of articulate what you would like as a response to be.

00:00:46.840 I think we're probably on the same page here, but maybe you can outline that a little more.

00:00:50.980 Sure. Obviously, this is an incredibly important line that the left has crossed.

00:00:55.520 We've seen intimidation before from the left, but this is a direct and obvious violation of several laws, including the FACE Act.

00:01:04.240 Now, it seems that Harvey Dillon has announced their intention to actually prosecute Don Lemon under a Ku Klux Klan act, which is fantastic. 0.89

00:01:13.900 It's hilarious to announce that on Martin Luther King Jr. Day of all days.

00:01:17.700 So, top-notch work, very, very fine work.

00:01:21.480 Of course, the worry was, as this was unfolding, that the Trump administration would, you know, turn away from charging people, especially Don Lemon.

00:01:30.660 Obviously, the left is going to go ballistic.

00:01:32.980 They're going to say, oh, it's a journalist. He's a journalist. He's got a First Amendment right to whatever.

00:01:37.660 It's all a lie. You have no First Amendment right to enter a building and disrupt a religious service.

00:01:43.500 In fact, there are several laws prohibiting exactly that. And it's not just that Don Lemon did this.

00:01:48.000 It's not just that he organized this. It's that he went ahead and streamed live every aspect of what he was doing.

00:01:54.680 He was streaming live the commission of a federal crime.

00:01:58.740 This cannot go unpunished. It's not just that Don Lemon needs to go to jail.

00:02:02.140 He needs to go to jail four years. He needs to do real jail time.

00:02:05.520 No house arrest. No pleading out.

00:02:08.200 This guy needs to be rotting in prison. This is a unprecedented violation in the left's escalation, and it must pay deeply.

00:02:16.920 Yeah. I mean, I've been sort of articulating this point as the situation in Minneapolis has been unfolding.

00:02:22.860 And the point I'm making, and you'll probably be in agreement, is it's imperative that the Trump administration sends a message now with this situation.

00:02:29.560 Because, again, this is, A, setting the tone for three years, and it could be a massive victory, again, for the base, these sorts of things.

00:02:35.300 But, B, this is the leftists kind of sizing up the Trump administration right now.

00:02:39.460 That's what's going on. They want to see what exactly they're able to get away with.

00:02:42.520 Because, obviously, in Trump 1, and obviously without the Biden administration, they weren't able to operate with a degree of impunity.

00:02:47.980 I mean, you'd see some arrests, and they would get released a few days later.

00:02:51.140 You certainly didn't see any high-profile arrests, even though we're still waiting on some high-profile arrests in Trump 2.

00:02:55.600 But, like you said, this is a different level here.

00:03:01.360 Because when you're seeing these people interact with ICE agents, you know, brawling with ICE agents or police or any other three-letter agency,

00:03:07.660 as Americans, we're kind of like, okay, well, that's clearly the left sort of combating with the government.

00:03:12.640 It's a degree removed from us to some aspect.

00:03:16.100 It's when you see it in a church, especially people on the right, obviously, you know, lots of devout Christians.

00:03:21.120 I mean, I myself grew up a Southern Baptist.

00:03:23.540 So when I see that, I'm like, that could have been my congregation.

00:03:27.260 When I see the way those people speak and the way that they respond to Don Lemon with a very gracious, loving kind of attitude,

00:03:33.380 it just takes me back to church growing up.

00:03:36.060 Like, these are my people.

00:03:37.640 And so this is why it feels like a next-level infraction.

00:03:42.740 Yeah, this is very similar, I think, to the death of Charlie Kirk.

00:03:46.760 Like, it has a similar in that it goes beyond, as you say, when someone shoots at Donald Trump, it's evil, it's horrible.

00:03:53.740 The Trump administration should have done more to go after the left at the time.

00:03:56.780 But there's a certain level of, okay, you become president of the United States, you get into national politics.

00:04:02.120 There's a certain level of risk assumed, right?

00:04:05.700 We know that presidents have been assassinated.

00:04:08.300 It's terrible when it happens.

00:04:09.400 But it doesn't shatter our perception of reality.

00:04:12.120 When Charlie Kirk gets shot, this could be your brother, this could be your son, this could be your husband.

00:04:18.300 This is a normal guy.

00:04:19.880 Yes, he's powerful, he's involved in politics, but he doesn't hold state power, he's not radical.

00:04:25.360 This could be you, right?

00:04:26.680 And the same thing here with the church.

00:04:29.060 It's another scenario, as you said, where when leftists are brawling with ICE, everyone can Monday morning quarterback.

00:04:36.340 Whether this ICE agent thought he was going to get run over, they're wrong.

00:04:39.120 This was an attempted murder, and the woman absolutely deserved to be shot, and her girlfriend should be in jail for encouraging that assault. 0.81

00:04:48.960 However, we do understand that ICE agents are taking on a certain level of risk when they involve themselves in that job.

00:04:56.340 Once it breaks into places of worship, we're now talking about leftists hunting down and intimidating innocent people.

00:05:02.860 And to be really clear, if they could have shot those people, they would have.

00:05:06.400 Like, don't fool yourself for a minute. 0.93

00:05:09.100 These people are Bolsheviks. 0.70

00:05:10.820 They would have lined those people up against the wall if they had the option.

00:05:14.900 And they will.

00:05:15.840 Like, they will get there.

00:05:17.000 We have to put the foot down now.

00:05:19.360 And this means that, obviously, we need to see right action from the government.

00:05:23.200 I'm glad to hear them taking strong stances.

00:05:25.440 But this also means that churches need to prepare.

00:05:29.260 Okay?

00:05:29.480 Those people should have been physically removed from the building, and if they attempted violence, they should have been met with lethal force.

00:05:36.560 That is where you need to be.

00:05:38.620 There is nothing unchristian about defending your church, and you need to be ready.

00:05:42.380 We've already seen terrorist attacks on churches.

00:05:45.180 We've already seen that guy drive into the church and shoot at people.

00:05:47.940 People, the Mormon church, now we see this attack. 0.98

00:05:53.740 It's going to continue.

00:05:54.960 These people are French Revolution.

00:05:56.840 They are communists.

00:05:57.520 They are going to accelerate.

00:05:59.060 Leftists are radical. 0.97

00:06:00.320 They hate religion. 1.00

00:06:01.520 They hate God. 1.00

00:06:02.460 They want to persecute Christians. 0.99

00:06:04.880 That is what they want to do.

00:06:06.100 And if we do not take both government action and personal action to protect our places of worship, the left will continue.

00:06:13.560 Yeah.

00:06:13.840 Yeah, absolutely.

00:06:14.320 I mean, Nathan Halberstadt, a friend of the show, he actually made a really great point.

00:06:18.320 This is the most obvious sort of crux of really what the left is all about here, with their sort of reign of terror 2.0, is this attack represented the two things that they're seeking to undermine specifically, which is the Christian faith.

00:06:30.860 Again, it's the historic faith of the United States.

00:06:33.200 Again, the Southern Baptist Church is pretty much as American as you can possibly get.

00:06:36.040 It is like this unique synthesis of Christianity that, again, like reflects Middle America in the most obvious way possible.

00:06:44.660 So you really have this attack on Heritage Americans in many regards through the church.

00:06:49.460 But then also, what is this all about?

00:06:51.760 Well, they're protesting ICE.

00:06:52.640 Well, what does ICE do?

00:06:53.300 Well, okay, they, again, enforce immigration law.

00:06:55.940 So it really is this obvious crux of the two things the left really wants to undermine the most, which is, again, the historic Christian faith of the American people, and then the historic composition of the United States through immigration, these sorts of things.

00:07:09.300 I mean, again, to your point, I mean, these churches need to kind of understand what time it is.

00:07:14.340 I mean, I can understand why up until now, so to speak, a lot of these churches are sitting back and saying, okay, well, it's so random that, you know, maybe we don't have to worry about it.

00:07:21.700 But I'd go back to, like, even, like, the Sutherland Spring shooting a few years ago in Texas.

00:07:25.440 I think at that moment, a lot of these churches really needed to have conversations about security, like, hey, I don't know if it's TSA level, but we certainly need to have plan of action here.

00:07:33.740 These conversations need to be happening.

00:07:35.300 Yeah, I think we all saw the picture from the video of that young girl crying in the arms of her parents, scared of these people breaking into her church, and that simply cannot be allowed to stand in the United States of America.

00:07:49.100 I will not allow – this cannot happen, okay?

00:07:51.560 My church, personally, not only has a security team, they have off-duty cops and military constantly watching entrances and exits to make sure that everyone is safe.

00:08:04.160 Church members are directly involved in the armed security of the church, along with a large percentage of the males in the congregation being armed.

00:08:13.260 You, American Christian, I'm talking to you right now.

00:08:16.480 It is your duty as a man to get a firearm, train with that firearm, and be armed in your house of worship, prepared to repel violent leftists, period.

00:08:27.260 That's it.

00:08:28.000 We cannot allow this.

00:08:29.360 It will not stand.

00:08:30.280 I am glad the government is taking action.

00:08:31.860 We should allow them to resolve the issue through color of law first, but it is also your personal responsibility to prepare, not just to protect yourself, but your house of worship.

00:08:43.260 The people in your congregation are counting on you.

00:08:46.040 No more, oh, I don't know what I can do.

00:08:47.780 I don't know how I can be part of a solution.

00:08:49.980 You can be part of the solution.

00:08:51.600 Get a firearm, train, and be prepared to protect your church.

00:08:54.400 Yeah, exactly.

00:08:55.040 I mean, because the government, again, the DOJ, even if the DOJ is a slam dunk here, they knock us out of the park, the incident still happened.

00:09:00.960 This is still after the fact, mopping up the mess.

00:09:03.700 Christians across the United States need to be ready because this is going to continue. 0.99

00:09:08.240 Again, when the left, what do they hate most?

00:09:10.460 I don't know if you saw the clip on the – I know it was in Britain, but that's sort of the same vibe going on.

00:09:15.140 The BBC in Britain, they had, I don't know, some sort of musician on, and he credited Christ as, like, his largest inspiration.

00:09:21.560 And the interviewer literally hissed at him.

00:09:24.040 Like, these people – again, I don't want to go, like, full Tucker and, like, you know, everything, but –

00:09:28.280 Oh, I will.

00:09:28.840 That's demon possession.

00:09:29.820 There's a huge –

00:09:30.460 That's demon possession.

00:09:31.160 Yeah, there's a massive demonic force moving over the West broadly, but specifically in the United States.

00:09:37.540 And so you just see that, and it's, like, Christians watching this, you know, Southern Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, whatever you are, Mormon –

00:09:44.120 I mean, I don't know if they're on the team, but, you know, Mormons – not to start a theological dispute, but if you're watching, like, you need to be ready.

00:09:50.440 You need to believe these people when they tell you these things.

00:09:53.300 Again, we saw a Kyle Reddit house.

00:09:55.120 That's what they're calling that chunky man at the firearm that was walking around St. Paul.

00:09:57.880 He's, like, I am here to defend my community.

00:09:59.920 These are my people. 0.64

00:10:00.860 He's talking about, like, Somali fraudsters. 1.00

00:10:02.960 He has a strong friend-enemy distinction, and you as a Christian, you as an American, is not a friend, certainly not in the friend distinction. 0.55

00:10:09.280 You're on the enemy side.

00:10:10.600 And he's patrolling it, again, presumably to repel ICE agents.

00:10:13.260 So it's, like, it just all comes back to from Charlie to this, everything in between.

00:10:18.360 You have to believe these people when they say these things.

00:10:21.760 Yeah, absolutely.

00:10:22.760 And to be clear, like, we all have our doctrinal differences.

00:10:25.520 I might have more with the Mormons than other denominations. 0.78

00:10:28.980 But ultimately, they're close enough to the team to get shot.

00:10:31.900 They're close enough to the team to get threatened, so they're on the team.

00:10:34.320 Okay?

00:10:35.000 And that's all there is to it.

00:10:36.320 These people hate family.

00:10:37.740 They hate people who would bow before Christ, even if we disagree with some manner in which they do it.

00:10:43.020 And ultimately, it is our job to come together and protect these people.

00:10:46.000 100% solidarity with Christians in the United States today of all stripes.

00:10:50.660 We are standing together.

00:10:52.280 This is not going to happen.

00:10:53.920 This is the line, guys.

00:10:54.760 If you will not stop them at the churches, you won't stop them at your doorstep.

00:10:58.440 That's all there is to it.

00:11:00.320 And I heard my entire life about this is what the Second Amendment is for.

00:11:04.780 If the government's not going to stand to protect our churches, then we will do it.

00:11:08.280 And you know what?

00:11:08.840 During COVID, that argument went out the window and nothing happened.

00:11:12.160 The government shut down plenty of churches.

00:11:13.560 Nobody did anything.

00:11:14.540 That argument's on its last legs.

00:11:16.000 If the First Amendment means anything, it has to mean something here.

00:11:19.080 Again, first and foremost, the government needs to take action.

00:11:21.940 I am glad to hear strong rhetoric on this, but we have to see conversion into real meaningful penalties, not slaps on the wrist, not house arrest, not a fine, hard jail time.

00:11:34.160 Every single one of these people, hard jail time.

00:11:37.180 If that doesn't happen, then you're leaving it in the hands of the parishioners.

00:11:41.920 And I'm sorry.

00:11:42.740 It is just at that point.

00:11:44.720 Defend yourself. 0.99

00:11:45.620 The government is useless. 0.98

00:11:46.640 I'm not saying the government is useless. 0.95

00:11:48.020 I'm saying the Trump administration is doing the right thing.

00:11:50.580 I am praising them for doing the right thing.

00:11:52.260 I want to be very clear.

00:11:53.120 However, follow through must come because the consequences of not following through are massive.

00:12:00.440 Everybody doesn't like the idea.

00:12:02.340 The Protestant Franco sounds scary until the first Bolshevik breaks through the door of your church. 0.93

00:12:08.520 And then all of a sudden, it doesn't sound so scary anymore.

00:12:11.480 So let's get this done under color of law while we still can't because the other options are big.

00:12:16.800 Yeah, this is literally the last off-ramp.

00:12:19.360 Decisive action from the Trump administration here is the off-ramp.

00:12:23.780 Again, I don't want to see a situation in which parishioners are forced to engage in gunfights with these leftists.

00:12:30.940 That sounds like a dystopia.

00:12:32.160 I want the Trump administration to come down hard here.

00:12:35.520 And to your point, like Mormons, it's like, okay, we could have these conversations about Mormons.

00:12:39.440 But it's like, I'm closer to a Mormon than I am to whatever Don Lemon's Christianity is.

00:12:43.240 He was literally in the church debating the pastor, and he's like, I'm a Christian too.

00:12:47.160 And I'm like, I look him up.

00:12:48.460 He's like a Baptist or something. 0.78

00:12:49.480 I'm a Baptist.

00:12:50.340 I'm way closer to a Mormon than I am to you.

00:12:52.180 I don't know what sort of weird depiction of Christianity you're making, but it's insulting. 0.90

00:12:58.880 It's offensive.

00:12:59.780 No, Don Lemon.

00:13:00.580 You're nowhere close to what we're talking about here.

00:13:03.660 But it's starting to get to the point where it seems like the left is actually kind of giving up themselves.

00:13:07.860 Maybe not giving up, but they're just being forthright with the fact that, no.

00:13:10.780 So when people on the right, like I put a tweet out before the show where I'm like, I just don't really know how we can live in the same country with these people anymore.

00:13:17.080 I'm not saying that as a statement.

00:13:18.120 I'm saying that as a reaction because I think that is the presupposition that they have already made.

00:13:21.700 They've already determined that they can't live in a country with us.

00:13:24.360 And so all I'm doing is just making a reaction.

00:13:26.540 I'm just acknowledging that that is the reality that they are correctly identifying, in my opinion.

00:13:31.180 And it's so important that this is recognized by every religious denomination, every Christian denomination.

00:13:38.220 We saw Barron, I'm sorry, I forgot his name.

00:13:43.880 I said Bishop Barron talking about how maybe the Trump administration should dial back the deportations and all these things.

00:13:53.220 We've seen the Southern Baptist Coalition get weak in the knees over this stuff.

00:13:56.600 This is a call to all of these people, okay?

00:14:00.360 The church bureaucracy, the church hierarchy cannot, cannot step away from the responsibility here.

00:14:08.620 There are no half measures.

00:14:09.880 And the fact that they were issuing statements like that just before this happened shows you how dangerous weak leaders are, okay?

00:14:19.100 I've liked stuff from guys like Bishop Barron, but there is no excuse, zero excuse for siding with the Bolsheviks, giving them comfort, or in any way, any way, standing against the enforcement of the law in the face of their terror. 0.80

00:14:34.340 It is unacceptable from any church leader.

00:14:36.260 If your pastor is in any way in the pulpit excusing this this weekend, you need to speak out, okay?

00:14:44.420 You need to tell your church this is not okay.

00:14:47.300 We need to stand strong against this, and I don't want to see anyone from the Southern Baptists to the Catholics saying anything different.

00:14:53.620 This is a gross violation of the First Amendment, a direct attack on our freedom as Americans, a persecution of Christians, and it will not stand.

00:15:02.040 So I hope that this speaks directly to church leadership.

00:15:04.880 There cannot be any weakness in this area.

00:15:07.560 Yeah.

00:15:07.860 I mean, if you're a church leader, whether you're, again, Southern Baptist, Catholic, Lutheran, and you're sitting back and you're scratching your head, like, how have we lost so much ground over the last few decades?

00:15:15.280 You know, why are so many people not finding value?

00:15:18.340 I mean, I know these things are reversing to some degree with tumors, but by and large, Americans, again, have sort of abandoned Christianity in a lot of regards, and they're sitting around scratching their heads.

00:15:25.340 Like, why could this happen?

00:15:25.940 It's like, because of that, of this weakness, of this just meekness and this, again, just constantly trying to capitulate grounds the left, hoping that maybe if you just give them enough, then they'll be able to leave us alone.

00:15:37.800 That's not going to happen.

00:15:39.020 Central to their belief, they see Christianity as a roadblock.

00:15:42.380 They see it as an imposing force, and they correctly have identified it as, again, the thing holding them back from total liberation, you know, these sorts of things.

00:15:51.540 Because, again, they're just an anti-Western, anti-human force.

00:15:54.760 And so it's like, as Christians, again, maybe borrow a youth with a stand on business. 0.82

00:15:59.980 Really, that's the situation here.

00:16:01.300 You know what's true.

00:16:02.400 We're right.

00:16:02.960 We're correct.

00:16:03.500 You need to be confident in that and stand firm.

00:16:06.440 Again, we have our guys in power.

00:16:08.440 We can put pressure on them.

00:16:09.720 We can, again, get them moving in the right direction.

00:16:12.320 But also, this starts in the churches.

00:16:13.860 We need strong churches.

00:16:15.220 We need to be a beacon for our community because, again, people are struggling right now.

00:16:18.880 People feel like they're getting blown around in the wind.

00:16:21.280 People feel unstable.

00:16:22.280 They feel like they don't have their hand on the wheel.

00:16:23.880 You know what you can do to provide some people some security is reflect Christ's values in your church, which is strength, which is order, and, again, which is standing on truth.

00:16:32.760 There's no question about that.

00:16:33.900 The job of the civil magistrate inside the Christian religion is to protect the right of the faithful to serve and worship God.

00:16:44.240 Period.

00:16:44.840 That's it.

00:16:45.440 If you have one job as a civil magistrate in a Christian nation, that is your job. 0.99

00:16:50.760 And we are simply seeing a lack of that.

00:16:53.000 We're seeing it at the state level.

00:16:55.800 Obviously, a lot of people have asked, well, why wasn't Don Lemon?

00:16:57.880 Why weren't these people arrested immediately?

00:16:59.520 They're obviously on video.

00:17:00.800 They're obviously committing crimes.

00:17:02.180 The answer is very simple.

00:17:03.120 The state of Minnesota is not going after them.

00:17:06.640 The municipalities who are in charge of the police in that area are not going after them.

00:17:11.800 They have first crack at this.

00:17:13.340 The federal government can file its charges, but it has to go get arrest warrants from judges and everything else.

00:17:18.340 It has to act slower because per federalism, per the Constitution, this is a state and local matter unless it has to become a federal matter.

00:17:27.940 And so the immediate response should have come from the state, should have come from local governments.

00:17:31.420 But they are quite literally insurrectionists right now.

00:17:34.980 They are ignoring their duty to care for and protect the people of their state, which is why we need reconstruction in Minneapolis, why we need it in Minnesota.

00:17:45.740 We need the federal government to take charge.

00:17:47.980 It's time to sign a consent degree.

00:17:49.400 It's time for the federal government to take control of law enforcement in that state.

00:17:54.360 But until then, Army Dillon, obviously, and Pam Bondi should be working to put every one of these people in jail for as long as humanly possible.

00:18:02.360 Again, I cannot stress enough how important it is these people do not get slaps on the wrist.

00:18:07.780 Full federal prison sentences.

00:18:10.500 Years in jail.

00:18:11.480 Well, no fines, no house arrest, no sweethearthood deal because Don Lemon was on CNN one time in jail, period.

00:18:18.960 Yeah, absolutely.

00:18:19.760 I mean, because, you know, a lot of people in the space have been calling for arrests of these more high-profile figures that, again, are instigating these incidents that are cheering it on, that in this case are directly, like, abetting the, again, this raid into this church.

00:18:31.300 And a lot of people are saying, well, look at all these arrests they're making, you know, at the lower level.

00:18:35.060 Look, they are putting away a lot of these guys.

00:18:36.680 And it's like, okay, that's great.

00:18:39.120 But to the left, they need to see their titans held accountable.

00:18:42.360 That's the problem is because they're not listening to Joe Schmoe who gets wrapped up in some operation in Minneapolis.

00:18:47.620 They're looking at these Don Lemons.

00:18:49.140 They're looking at these sorts of people, again, as the leaders, the figureheads of what they're trying to do.

00:18:54.020 And it's like until you hold those people accountable at the high levels, again, at their top level, their top brass, it's going to be really difficult to communicate to these people that this is not acceptable.

00:19:03.660 Again, and, you know, Trump, too, this is a different ballgame, new sheriff in town.

00:19:07.640 It's not going to fly.

00:19:09.020 And, yeah, until we get those high-profile arrests, I don't know how you can really communicate to these people because, again, like I said, they're not really too concerned if Joe Schmoe gets wrapped up.

00:19:17.280 They can, you know, compartmentalize that.

00:19:20.260 But when Don Lemon gets marched out in handcuffs in front of a courthouse, that's how you send a message.

00:19:24.960 That's how you communicate to these people, enough.

00:19:26.540 Your reign of terror is coming to a close.

00:19:29.580 Yeah, Steve Bannon went to jail, and nobody cared that he had one of the biggest shows on the right.

00:19:35.820 He goes to jail, right?

00:19:37.420 People forget that the Obama administration sent Dinesh D'Souza to jail.

00:19:42.940 Like, they don't care.

00:19:44.160 They will put our people in jail, even the media figures, the reporters, people with high profiles.

00:19:49.260 They don't care.

00:19:50.780 We can't care back.

00:19:52.040 There can't be this double standard where leftist high-profile figures have some immunity towards their political actions, but the right can get thrown in jail on every single tiny little bit of this.

00:20:02.740 We all saw as the left went after Douglas Mackey and sentenced him to prison for making a meme.

00:20:09.220 You cannot let Douglas Mackey get sentenced to prison for making a meme and then let Don Lemon go free after leading a federal raid against a church committing federal crimes.

00:20:21.860 This simply cannot be allowed to stand.

00:20:23.960 Like I said, I'm glad to hear that the Trump administration is planning to do this.

00:20:28.080 I understand it takes a few days, given the necessities of the system.

00:20:32.420 I just want, I think everyone rightly is a little concerned.

00:20:36.600 I think we've all seen the administration drop the ball on these things, not get it done, not, not, not get across the goal line.

00:20:43.340 We've had promises made about going after NGOs, Antifa, all this stuff, you know, high profile people.

00:20:48.720 None of it has ultimately come to fruition.

00:20:51.000 So I hear people saying, well, this one isn't going to happen either.

00:20:54.880 Okay.

00:20:55.620 I want to be proven wrong.

00:20:57.820 I am cheering, desperately, bleeding, Pam Bondi, Army Dillon, prove everybody wrong.

00:21:03.800 Put these people in jail.

00:21:04.640 Because if you don't, like we've said, the whole, the can of everything just gets completely unleashed.

00:21:10.340 Because again, if we, if we can't stop them at the doors of our church, we won't stop them at the doors of our home.

00:21:15.280 That's all there is to it.

00:21:16.740 So I am, again, encouraged to see the Trump administration talking tough and taking action, but the conversion here must be complete.

00:21:25.960 Nothing, nothing can keep them from continuing this act, continuing this prosecution, because the consequences of dropping the ball this time, it can be the last time.

00:21:36.200 Yeah.

00:21:36.600 Yeah.

00:21:36.840 Minneapolis will continue in perpetuity.

00:21:38.580 What we're seeing now, again, they have the bodies.

00:21:40.640 Okay.

00:21:41.080 They, they have, they have the numbers.

00:21:43.000 There's no question about that.

00:21:44.140 Like the idea that this is sort of some fringe element of the United States is not true.

00:21:48.640 We saw after Charlie Kirk, how many people were just posting on Facebook, like jubilation with their full government name on there.

00:21:54.360 There's a lot of people out there.

00:21:55.740 Like you, you don't just mop this up by arresting a few radicals.

00:21:58.740 It's like, this is an element in our country that is a massive, massive proportion of the country.

00:22:03.900 And again, like these high profile arrests, this isn't like the first term, or maybe you could perceive them as maybe like red meat for the base, which I do think they're actually, it would have been consequential in the long term if we made these arrests.

00:22:13.520 But, you know, I can see like, okay, arresting Hillary Clinton.

00:22:15.860 Okay.

00:22:15.980 Maybe that's more like red meat for the base.

00:22:17.660 This go around.

00:22:18.400 These arrests are not red meat for the base.

00:22:20.660 This is literally trying to save the Republic.

00:22:23.500 Like that's what's going on here.

00:22:25.280 Cause I mean, to your point, again, this is just going to continue.

00:22:28.500 You're going to get Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle.

00:22:30.160 These cities are going to be like this in perpetuity.

00:22:32.380 And then who knows it'll, it could spread.

00:22:33.920 I mean, you know, these red state governors are doing a better job, obviously, of sort of utilizing local law enforcement, but it's not a guarantee that that holds for long.

00:22:42.480 I mean, these, these police departments only have so many resources at a certain point, it just gets out of hand.

00:22:46.900 And then we end up with South Africa or Brazil or something along those lines.

00:22:50.460 And that's a reality that could literally occur in this decade.

00:22:54.260 The numbers are there.

00:22:55.560 The stage is set.

00:22:56.620 The country is doused in gasoline right now.

00:22:59.020 It does.

00:22:59.400 It really doesn't take much to push us into that territory.

00:23:02.820 I don't fear a civil war per se.

00:23:04.500 I mean, I know on Tim cast, it's kind of our thing is civil war.

00:23:07.960 I fear like South Africa, South Africa doesn't have a civil war.

00:23:11.040 It just gets worse and worse and worse.

00:23:12.880 And criminals are allowed.

00:23:13.820 They're granted more room, more space.

00:23:15.640 Leftist groups and agitators and these different NGOs are just given more and more space to operate.

00:23:20.360 That's almost far worse than a civil war.

00:23:22.200 Cause at least civil war, there's an end in sight. 0.76

00:23:24.020 South Africa is just going to be like this until the country collapses, which is probably

00:23:27.900 not going to happen anytime soon.

00:23:29.240 Wait, it hasn't happened yet.

00:23:32.080 I mean, there's a lot of ruin in a country, right?

00:23:34.540 And, and this is really the problem.

00:23:36.200 I am not an accelerationist in the sense of things need to get worse so we can get better.

00:23:41.160 I don't believe that.

00:23:42.180 I think you win by winning.

00:23:43.560 However, there is a truth to what you're saying and what many accelerationists point to,

00:23:49.160 which is that if the frog is boiled slowly enough, people never hit that hard point where they

00:23:54.340 feel like they have to take action.

00:23:55.980 Yeah.

00:23:56.160 And so if you, if things just get worse, but they manage to get worse in increments that

00:23:59.800 are comfortable enough to adjust to people never feel that hard stop that says we must

00:24:04.640 take serious action.

00:24:06.000 I don't want my country to fall in disrepair.

00:24:08.280 I don't want to see a civil war in my country.

00:24:10.680 That's why I'm begging for action now.

00:24:12.760 That's why I'm looking for what some people might call extreme action now, because only

00:24:18.100 through extreme action under the color law, do you avoid either constant slow degradation

00:24:23.360 or the much more severe action without the law, right?

00:24:27.920 And that's what we need to avoid.

00:24:30.000 I am very worried, as you say, that we won't get a civil war and that we will just get a

00:24:35.300 slow breakdown of the country because everyone falls in complacency.

00:24:39.120 And that's why when I say here, this is the line, I don't mean because tomorrow there'll

00:24:43.900 be civil war.

00:24:44.780 I mean, because if you allow the Bolsheviks to go past this line without consequence, 0.93

00:24:48.800 there will be no stopping.

00:24:50.300 They just will continue to creep through everything.

00:24:52.560 And that's why I think it's critical for action to be taken.

00:24:56.320 I know people are worried about the political, the optics, all these things, but you know what

00:25:00.560 gets the administration's approval rating up?

00:25:03.260 Action.

00:25:04.240 Victory.

00:25:05.180 That's what people feel.

00:25:06.220 That's what they felt when Trump entered office, when the executive orders were flying,

00:25:09.560 when victories were being secured, when his approval ratings were up, it's because he

00:25:13.900 was taking strong action.

00:25:15.520 The reason he's been mired down, the reason you're seeing the approval ratings fall is

00:25:19.680 because people are starting to lose that energy.

00:25:22.900 Curtis Yarvin talked about Rubicon energy coming in to the Trump administration when it first

00:25:27.800 happened and the lack of it.

00:25:29.540 This is an opportunity to regain that energy.

00:25:32.120 The left has made a critical mistake.

00:25:34.400 This is a real, serious, optical nightmare for them.

00:25:39.160 There is very little they can do except for their most extreme, radical Bolshevik base 0.67

00:25:43.280 to sell the idea that it's okay for them to storm churches.

00:25:47.560 Okay, that is the worst.

00:25:48.620 When you see a small girl crying in the corner over her church being stormed, that is the worst

00:25:53.340 possible optics.

00:25:54.320 Plus, they actually violated plenty of laws that we can charge them for.

00:25:57.680 This is the perfect situation to lay down the hammer under the color of law and show the

00:26:02.060 left what needs to happen here.

00:26:03.420 It's also a good way to show the base you still care and you're going to take your focus 0.99

00:26:06.720 off of Venezuela or Iran or whatever garbage Middle East piece of trash that I don't want 1.00

00:26:13.320 to be talking about. 0.99

00:26:14.300 And you're actually going to care about the American people and Christians in the United 0.91

00:26:17.360 States.

00:26:17.880 I don't want to hear about, oh, we got to stop anti-Semitism in the Middle East.

00:26:22.480 Oh, I got to worry about whether China's with Venezuela.

00:26:25.860 No, stop the Bolsheviks in my country who are invading my church. 1.00

00:26:31.200 I'm a Southern Baptist.

00:26:32.860 Okay, this could have been my church just as easily.

00:26:35.020 Actually, it couldn't have because there are guys in front of my church.

00:26:37.660 But I don't want to see a single person who shares my religious beliefs being put in this

00:26:42.820 situation.

00:26:43.460 And so this has to change.

00:26:45.100 And like I said, action is what's going to drive victory for the Trump administration

00:26:49.200 here.

00:26:49.680 And again, I'm glad to see them realizing that.

00:26:52.460 Talking the talk.

00:26:53.420 Let's see that walk as well.

00:26:54.680 So absolutely, I concur 100%.

00:26:56.660 Oron, thank you so much for hopping on.

00:26:58.700 Where can people find you?

00:27:00.640 Again, I'm over on Blaze TV, YouTube, Rumble, of course, Twitter, and then on all the podcast

00:27:07.760 apps.

00:27:08.380 Awesome.

00:27:08.860 Well, thank you so much.

00:27:09.520 I really appreciate you coming on.

00:27:11.100 Thanks, man.

00:27:11.640 Good to talk to you.

00:27:12.860 Alrighty.

00:27:13.160 Well, that was the great Oron McIntyre.

00:27:14.720 I mean, it's absolutely true.

00:27:16.240 I mean, again, you give these people an inch, they'll take a mile.

00:27:19.120 We're dealing with Bolsheviks here. 0.99

00:27:20.340 I mean, just thumb through a history book, you'll see what these people are capable of.

00:27:22.980 So with that, we'll be back tonight for TimCast IRL at 8 p.m.

00:27:26.880 Come give me a follow on X and Instagram at RealTateBrown.

00:27:30.760 Come hang out.

00:27:31.820 And we're going to go raid DeVorey Darkins.

00:27:33.240 That raid probably already went on.

00:27:34.740 It's already gone.

00:27:35.480 It's already gone.

00:27:36.100 So most of you guys aren't even seeing this.

00:27:37.400 But for those who are, well done pressing the opt-out button because a lot of people

00:27:40.540 don't see that, including myself.

00:27:42.220 I get raided all the time.

00:27:43.000 So thank you very much for watching and we will see you guys next time.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - January 19, 2026

Leftists RAID Church Service, Don Lemon WILL Be Charged ft. Auron MacIntyre

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