The Culture War - Tim Pool - Liberals Are SOY BOYS, Reject Masculinity, DEBATE Me w⧸ John Doyle & The Soy Pill

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00:01:24.460 Liberal men are soy boys.

00:01:31.560 Debate me.

00:01:32.540 Okay?

00:01:33.020 That's the debate tonight.

00:01:34.500 Tonight.

00:01:34.900 I always think it's nighttime.

00:01:36.180 I'm just, you know, doing live in the morning.

00:01:38.140 This morning, our debate is liberalism rejecting masculinity.

00:01:42.720 We've got a couple of gentlemen joining us to have this debate.

00:01:46.340 Sir, would you like to introduce yourself first?

00:01:47.900 Yeah.

00:01:48.180 Before we start, one of us is going to have to change, right?

00:01:51.900 Well, we're not completely wearing the same thing, you know, but I was wearing it first.

00:01:56.500 So, I mean.

00:01:56.880 Well, so I've been told by Alex Jones that you wear the beanie because you have the, what did he say?

00:02:01.200 He said, Tim Pool has the mark of the beast on his forehead and he hides it because he's the Antichrist.

00:02:05.800 Well, I mean, he calls it the mark of the beast.

00:02:07.560 It's a pentagram.

00:02:08.100 Okay, but yeah, I'm the soy bill.

00:02:11.800 I make video essays.

00:02:13.380 I'm a progressive.

00:02:14.400 I'm a soy boy.

00:02:15.260 But, you know, I try to own it, you know, and try to fight the stereotype.

00:02:18.720 All right.

00:02:19.560 He's a soy boy.

00:02:20.760 And you are not a soy boy, sir?

00:02:22.500 I don't know if I would identify myself as such necessarily.

00:02:25.960 I'm simply a guy who talks about politics on the internet.

00:02:28.520 My name is John Doyle, and I'm glad to be back on the program.

00:02:32.980 I don't know.

00:02:33.380 He looks like he works out more than you do.

00:02:35.260 Well, he's got to, you know.

00:02:36.320 That's the thing.

00:02:36.840 That's why he calls himself the soy pill.

00:02:38.520 His job and why he exists in the ecosystem is to sort of be a lightning rod and be like,

00:02:43.000 soy boys, absolutely not.

00:02:44.360 Look at me.

00:02:44.740 I go to the gym.

00:02:45.480 So it's like a costume.

00:02:46.520 I mean, I respect a good physique, but it has to be that way because it's you.

00:02:50.200 Respecting a man's physique is pretty soy, I got to say.

00:02:52.800 It's the months of that.

00:02:53.340 You're checking me out.

00:02:54.780 I didn't say that, but no, I mean, it's indicative of discipline and things like that,

00:02:58.620 which, I mean, 99% of people on your side would reject, but it's good for you.

00:03:01.740 I'm happy for you personally.

00:03:03.120 Well, we'll try to change that.

00:03:04.060 That's kind of the point.

00:03:04.580 Okay, well, let's get into that.

00:03:05.960 I mean, that's the general idea.

00:03:09.180 There's a couple elements to this.

00:03:10.780 We were going over what is the core theme yesterday, and it's that masculinity is incompatible with

00:03:17.600 liberalism was one of the arguments or that liberalism rejects masculinity.

00:03:21.360 I guess that's your argument.

00:03:25.320 Do you want to kick off what you mean by this?

00:03:27.180 Yeah, I mean, that's absolutely true, whether you look at it from a fundamental perspective

00:03:30.860 where the idea behind liberalism is more or less derivative of this blank slate.

00:03:35.140 John Locke, father of liberalism, that we are all these blank slates,

00:03:38.740 and if there is to be a masculine or feminine identity, that is simply because of what's

00:03:42.980 popularly, I guess, argued to be like a social construct or something, but it's not something

00:03:47.380 that's really rooted in nature.

00:03:48.540 There is no natural way for men and women to behave, and insofar as we see those throughout

00:03:52.580 society or history, it's because men typically have oppressed women for whichever reason.

00:03:57.200 And so I would say that it rejects the concept of masculinity, and there are ways to intellectualize

00:04:02.400 this and, you know, what is a real man or something, but I would just say that it's how men typically

00:04:06.180 tend to behave when left to their own devices.

00:04:09.180 Moreover, I would say it rejects it in terms of its political implementation, because when

00:04:13.780 liberalism or liberals tend to get in power, what we tend to see is not only they're being

00:04:19.380 rejected by men who are maybe more normal or masculine, as you see, whether it's you're

00:04:23.800 looking at who men are voting for, or you look at maybe the most, I guess, extreme manifestations

00:04:28.700 of left-wing men in the country, look at, like, the Antifa mugshots, they all tend to look a certain

00:04:33.480 way, and then when liberals get into power, they persecute masculinity. I mean, they make

00:04:38.040 male behavior illegal, they empower women, they demonize men throughout the culture, things of

00:04:42.240 that nature. There's even, like, a biological component, which I know we've covered on the

00:04:45.440 show before with RFK and different things they're putting into the...

00:04:48.540 What male behavior is, like, illegal from, like...

00:04:51.020 Oh, yeah. I mean, absolutely. Well, first of all, patriarchy, fatherhood, courting, all

00:04:55.580 things like that.

00:04:56.360 Are they illegal, though?

00:04:57.200 Yes. Yeah. In many cases, like, typical male behavior, which would be used to take control

00:05:01.520 of your household, to meet a woman, things like that, are culturally enforced to either

00:05:05.920 be, you know, denigrated or demonized, or in some cases, like, yeah, you can have, you

00:05:09.360 know, police harass you if you make, you know, or maybe co-workers harass you or HR harass

00:05:13.740 you for making an inappropriate comment at the office or something like that.

00:05:17.320 Well, I would say to the illegal component,

00:05:20.480 there is not that on the books it says being a man is illegal. Like, obviously, beating

00:05:26.480 your wife is illegal, and it should be. However, there are circumstances where because of this

00:05:31.000 system, the balances of it, men who don't beat their wives, who actually get beaten by their

00:05:36.720 wives, will still have the police called on them, and they are more likely to get arrested.

00:05:40.620 Yeah, but that's not making masculinity illegal. That's a concept of these, you know, perceived

00:05:45.300 gender roles. You know, women are perceived as weaker, and frankly, mostly are. So if that

00:05:49.260 does happen, it's just a matter of like, hey, there's this big guy.

00:05:52.920 I said women are weak.

00:05:53.980 Yeah, well, I mean, just in general, they're on a spectrum. Like, no, I mean, people get

00:05:57.620 mad at the left for like rejecting the reality of like, you know, most women are weaker than

00:06:01.380 most men, which is true. But like, that does come back and hurt men, too, sometimes when

00:06:05.660 it's like, oh, yeah, like, how could this woman be beating this man? Like, how could that

00:06:08.600 possibly happen? But that's a factor of viewing women as less.

00:06:12.520 I'm just saying, if we're going to view the law as a rigid, it is as it is, then I would

00:06:19.800 disagree with you, John. It's not illegal to be a man. But if we're looking at the function

00:06:24.560 of what law does, because typically we don't, I bring this up all the time, there are laws

00:06:28.960 in the books we don't actually enforce.

00:06:30.420 Sure.

00:06:30.780 Like, my favorite, as I was reading this book, and it said it's illegal in Boston to cool

00:06:34.340 a pie on your windowsill on Tuesday or something.

00:06:36.280 Well, yeah, because it interferes with air traffic when the people float through the air.

00:06:40.380 Well, back in the day, it was bears. It's like, you live in a small village, you don't

00:06:43.320 want a bear coming by, don't put food in your windowsill, but now who cares, right?

00:06:46.380 It's the results of social incentives, cultural programming, which create the same effect,

00:06:50.580 a deterrent that would be, you know, created perhaps by a law that's enforced, but without

00:06:54.600 having the bad optics of, like, literally making it illegal to be a man or something, yeah.

00:06:58.840 Yeah, so there's an apparatus of law that is anti-male or masculine.

00:07:06.640 I don't know, I just, I don't see that. So, I hear what you're saying.

00:07:10.120 I do see, I think a problem with the left is for years being a straight white guy, it

00:07:16.220 was like the norm, right? And then finally, the left starts getting into power, and it's

00:07:19.640 like, hey, let's highlight all these marginalized voices, right? Like, women, come here, black

00:07:23.060 people, come here, trans voices, gay voices, whatever. And the problem is, now it's not

00:07:27.480 focused on men, and a lot of these pendulum-swinging people are like, yeah, you guys are the

00:07:30.920 patriarchy, you guys are the cishet white males, and there is, like, a attack or at least

00:07:34.980 a narrative against that. But, I don't know, it kind of reminds me of something

00:07:38.060 like, white privilege, like, that term, where, if you look, like, back in the 90s

00:07:42.560 and 2000s, I want to say, like, kind of everyone just accepted, like, oh yeah, black

00:07:45.520 people get treated worse by the police. Like, they have it worse off. Like, there's

00:07:49.020 the, um, what's that onion skit, where it's like, this is America, no one deserves to

00:07:53.140 be treated like a black man, right? Like, yeah, it's like, they rule that a white

00:07:57.140 woman could be treated as a black man, that's how it's interesting, right? And it's like,

00:08:00.280 that was kind of, like, culturally accepted. Yes, I know that one. But as soon as you

00:08:02.400 introduced the term, like, white privilege, now you have people like, you know, white

00:08:06.120 guys, like, even me, when I first heard this in high school, I was like, what the

00:08:08.280 fuck does that mean? You know, like, I have problems, right? Like, I, things are

00:08:10.980 happening to me that are out of my control that suck, and now you're telling me my

00:08:13.840 life's just better? Like, this is kind of this weird term that's, like, attacking

00:08:17.640 the people that really haven't done anything wrong in a way to frame the idea that

00:08:21.000 other people are less well off. And I see that kind of happening with men now, where

00:08:24.500 they're no longer centered, because it was the norm for so long, and so people feel

00:08:28.760 rejected from the left. But really, the left is this umbrella of, hey, yeah, you can be

00:08:32.940 a soy boy, you can be like, you know, a little twinkie guy, femme, coded, gay, whatever. But

00:08:37.640 you can also be masculine. But those masculine, traditionally masculine people, which is the

00:08:41.180 norm, which most people do fall into, are not, don't feel as welcome, because they're

00:08:45.120 not the only thing that's being focused on, which is what the right does, right? It's

00:08:48.180 like, hey, you can be, this is all we are, rather than this is the umbrella that

00:08:52.040 encompasses that. And people like me, like, I, I grew up in the most progressive place,

00:08:56.620 like, on the planet, in San Francisco. I went to, like, a liberal

00:08:58.580 college, UC San Diego. This is like, you know, all the SJWs, there were people like

00:09:02.560 on the middle of the campus with signs that said, like, white men bore me, you

00:09:05.600 know, or little posters are like, oh, don't say minorities, say POC, right? Like

00:09:09.440 very, very progressive SJW stuff back in 2016 era. And like, none of that made me

00:09:13.780 less masculine, or make me want to be less masculine. It just made me say, oh, okay,

00:09:18.020 that's kind of annoying, or like, that's weird. But like, the idea that it's such a

00:09:22.100 turnoff, that it's pushing you into a different party is weird to me, because like, my

00:09:25.900 ideals haven't changed. It's just like, oh, okay, like, I can

00:09:28.560 still be me, I can still be this, in this party, I'm just not the sole focus.

00:09:32.540 I don't think it's about sole focus or centering or anything. I mean, if you even

00:09:36.340 are familiar with like, the average temperament or disposition of a

00:09:39.380 conservative or a Republican, these are people who fundamentally like, just want

00:09:42.760 to be left alone. Like, you don't have to go and talk to a bunch of like, Trump

00:09:45.900 supporters and appeal to them as like, the white vote, or the straight vote, or

00:09:49.820 things of that nature. And I think it is actually pushing people who otherwise would

00:09:53.320 have preferred to identify themselves with like, the predominant party, into the arms of

00:09:57.660 Republicans or Trump, as has been the case with a lot of media personalities, for

00:10:01.360 example, because they do feel ostracized, not just because of maybe some of the

00:10:05.180 excesses that you see on the college campus with like, a sign or a t-shirt that

00:10:08.580 says like, boys are icky, or like, down with white power or something. But because the

00:10:12.680 policies which these people are pursuing, ultimately, are dispossessing normal white

00:10:17.320 Americans. And they're becoming more aware of that, which is why they're walking

00:10:20.360 away. They may agree with you on, you know, wanting to be left alone, people can have

00:10:23.780 their own identity. But at the end of the day, when that party gets into power, they

00:10:27.480 act in ways which dispossess normal Americans, takes money from them, opportunities

00:10:31.480 from them, and redistributes it to literally the entire world, and demonizes

00:10:34.880 them throughout the culture. So I would like it to be some umbrella. I think that

00:10:38.380 would be nice, but that's not what we tend to see when you guys get into power. And

00:10:41.220 even in your own case.

00:10:42.160 The issue is that, even as you're describing it, people view politics and people of all

00:10:50.280 generations as a single group. So when you say things like, you know, it's the right,

00:10:55.300 they're, you know, white men.

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00:11:53.640 Masculine men or whatever on the left is trying to lift up voices that aren't actually white

00:11:57.560 men. That is saying that the younger generation of liberals have an issue with boomers and Gen

00:12:04.500 X, so they penalize Gen Z men in a way that these Gen Z men can't comprehend or they were

00:12:10.860 not party to.

00:12:12.040 I think it's perceived as penalizing. I don't think it is, but I know what you mean.

00:12:15.780 It is.

00:12:16.560 No, but it is.

00:12:17.500 In no way.

00:12:17.860 I have never felt penalized.

00:12:19.040 A group attacking white people, insulting white people, and then they're allowed to

00:12:24.060 do it, is creating a condition by which you are allowed to be racist to a group of men

00:12:28.860 that did not experience this white privilege that was described.

00:12:31.660 Sure, but like-

00:12:32.440 That's penalizing.

00:12:33.120 First of all, again, as much as I have a problem with the term white privilege, I think you

00:12:36.800 can look at statistics of, do white people get as much shit as black people?

00:12:40.980 Great. Now let's go back to what I was saying about Gen Z.

00:12:43.120 I'm just saying, you do experience it, but the problem is like-

00:12:45.660 Let's talk about my point.

00:12:46.960 But an 18-year-old man did not experience the white privilege of a 55-year-old white

00:12:51.220 man.

00:12:51.480 Oh, you're saying economics.

00:12:53.160 An 18-year-old who's entering the world and saying, man, it's really hard on me.

00:12:57.180 And then the left in these colleges say, ha, you're white, you're bad, you're stupid, you

00:13:01.600 bore me.

00:13:02.340 And when they go, please stop making fun of me, they go, no, you have white privilege.

00:13:05.020 And he goes, no, the old guy might have, but I don't.

00:13:07.960 Well, that's the thing is when I say, hey, generationally, you can look at the way that

00:13:12.460 these races have been treated.

00:13:13.520 Yeah, like you're not experiencing the boomer housing market, right?

00:13:16.740 Like, I am not as well off as my parents.

00:13:18.500 They bought a house for like, you know, 300 grand and it's now worth like a bajillion

00:13:21.840 dollars.

00:13:22.180 I would never be able to afford that.

00:13:23.300 I probably never will be able to.

00:13:24.520 I just have to wait for them to die.

00:13:26.520 But that's not the same thing as white privilege.

00:13:28.440 Blackrock will get it before that.

00:13:29.620 Huh?

00:13:30.180 Blackrock will get it before that.

00:13:31.160 That's true.

00:13:31.720 That's true.

00:13:31.980 Not even joking.

00:13:32.760 Yeah.

00:13:33.120 No.

00:13:33.760 The idea that like that has something to do with like the way that different races

00:13:38.100 are treated by some sort of system, I think is irrelevant.

00:13:40.280 But the point is, this is what I'm saying is like, you don't feel white privilege.

00:13:42.980 I'm not like, oh boy, what a great day to, well, I am like, what a great day to be white

00:13:46.620 because like, let's be real, it's kind of hard to be all the other races.

00:13:50.040 But you're not feeling this advantage.

00:13:53.100 The point is like, if it was framed to something like black detriment.

00:13:55.620 I actually disagree with you about it.

00:13:57.100 It's hard to be the other races.

00:13:58.720 Harder?

00:13:59.180 Oh, because you're Korean?

00:14:00.440 Yeah.

00:14:00.700 When I was growing up, I was told that if I wrote, if I put down that I was Mexican,

00:14:04.320 I would get free stuff.

00:14:05.860 Yeah.

00:14:06.600 Yeah.

00:14:06.780 So it's like, so my parents told me not to put down that I was Asian when I was applying

00:14:10.000 for anything because I'd be discriminated against.

00:14:11.760 You're talking about like DEI policies and how like, or maybe like a front of action thing

00:14:14.860 that's like trying to correct historical records.

00:14:17.240 So like a white person might feel like, well, this guy, because this happened to me in college.

00:14:20.580 Like I saw people that were maybe not as like smart as me get advantages, maybe because

00:14:25.180 it was like a, you know, SWE is like society of women engineers, like they'd get certain

00:14:29.300 opportunities or scholarships.

00:14:30.240 And it's like, well, shit, like I didn't get 10 grand to just go and do this, like one

00:14:33.980 particular thing.

00:14:34.620 It's literally just because you have a vagina that does have no privilege.

00:14:37.960 Sort of.

00:14:38.900 Literally.

00:14:39.500 The point is like, if you're looking at a societal thing, it's like, that is something

00:14:42.220 that in this specific, you know, minutia of college.

00:14:44.960 Yeah.

00:14:45.200 There are people that are going to be lifted up over maybe white people, but you don't see

00:14:48.200 that as privilege insofar as like, Hey, I don't feel like I'm getting the better

00:14:52.080 end of the deal.

00:14:52.520 In fact, these people are, but it's talking about a historical thing of, Oh, these people

00:14:56.920 had a, it worse off for so long, but that's why I would call it like a black detriment

00:15:00.500 and not like a white privilege.

00:15:01.560 But this is back to your point on what was it?

00:15:03.600 What does that mean?

00:15:04.440 The point at it worse for so long.

00:15:06.360 I mean, we've been following the vector of like progressivism and civil rights for what

00:15:10.260 60 years now by any metric.

00:15:12.320 I mean, whether it's like familial wealth, house ownership, black generational wealth right

00:15:17.080 now is like similar levels to like reconstruction era.

00:15:19.940 It's not very good.

00:15:20.660 Exactly.

00:15:21.260 So we've been following this vector of progressivism and saying that this is to make up for injustices

00:15:25.540 of the past.

00:15:26.620 And this vector would suggest that those injustices have been alleviated because it's now illegal

00:15:30.340 to discriminate in varying capacities.

00:15:32.220 But the situation has not improved.

00:15:33.040 Why would it suggest that it's been alleviated?

00:15:34.960 Because we have the civil rights movement, the great society, all of these fruits, which

00:15:38.560 has made it illegal for you to discriminate in the ways that you're alluding to in terms

00:15:41.560 of these past injustices.

00:15:42.600 So if that's been made illegal, then it would suggest that maybe these injustices were not

00:15:47.860 orchestrated from the top down, people just being mean and racist for no reason, but that

00:15:51.520 there are just cultural things that are different between people who exist in America, which

00:15:54.700 is why there really hasn't been a big change between the 60s and now in terms of performing.

00:15:59.200 I would argue that blockbusting and redlining, which still exists today illicitly, would be

00:16:05.520 the argument against that.

00:16:06.500 Redlining, if you look at the actual counties which were affected, it didn't take into account

00:16:09.820 things like credit score income, if you actually look at the data behind redlining, it's just

00:16:13.360 a liberal talking point the same way that Jimmy, I don't know, blockbusting.

00:16:16.820 Blockbusting is when, still to this day, real estate agents will intentionally buy a house,

00:16:24.000 move a black family into a white neighborhood, then solicit the residents there to sell their

00:16:29.520 properties because, quote, there goes the neighborhood, and then try and buy the house

00:16:33.240 on a premium.

00:16:34.500 And then what they do is they buy the house, rent it to a black family, go to all the houses

00:16:39.480 and say property values will go down because a black family moved into your neighborhood.

00:16:43.140 You need to sell to us now.

00:16:45.220 They'll get the property for a premium.

00:16:47.480 Then, a year later, they move the black family out, restore the prices up to where they are

00:16:52.120 in the market.

00:16:52.880 This was made illegal in the 80s, but it was a principle way by which they perpetuated

00:16:59.520 this.

00:16:59.720 We still see this today where it is typically recognized as a racist market fact.

00:17:07.760 I'm not saying there's an individual who's racist, but it's black people.

00:17:10.400 But you go to any real estate agent and ask them, like, hey, you've got investment properties.

00:17:16.780 What would you do if a black family moved next to your investment property?

00:17:20.400 They're going to tell you they're going to sell.

00:17:21.940 Yeah.

00:17:22.180 And they're going to say, look, I've got no problem with a black family.

00:17:24.460 Tons of friends are black, but the market will react negatively to this.

00:17:27.240 So I probably don't want to lose money and I would sell.

00:17:29.400 That concept perpetuates since the 80s.

00:17:32.760 So I don't know how you get rid of this.

00:17:35.700 You know, it's funny because even liberals do it.

00:17:37.940 Like, the story I've told is a woman that I worked with who was this progressive Hispanic

00:17:41.660 woman.

00:17:42.300 She said that she inherited a property in New York City from her, you know, grandpa or

00:17:48.320 from her family or whatever.

00:17:50.000 She was woke, as one could describe woke.

00:17:53.040 And I said, what would you do if a black family moved next door to your property?

00:17:56.240 He goes, oh, I'd sell right away.

00:17:57.780 And I was like, isn't that racist?

00:17:58.940 And she goes, I'm not trying to be racist, but like my property would lose all its value

00:18:02.340 right away.

00:18:03.060 And I'm like, OK, so long as you believe that and perpetuate it, that's going to cause

00:18:07.600 problems to the net worth and like the generational wealth of black families.

00:18:11.900 It's not illegal, right?

00:18:13.080 And stuff like that happens all the time.

00:18:15.140 That's kind of what people describe when they talk about systemic racism.

00:18:17.420 It doesn't take a like single individual being like, oh, I hate black people, like throw

00:18:21.540 them in jail, although that does still happen.

00:18:23.540 And that's the other thing is like you talk about like, yeah, it is illegal.

00:18:25.620 Well, yeah, we did pass the civil rights law, but like, you know, kicking and screaming

00:18:28.620 half the country was fighting against it.

00:18:30.080 And those people didn't disappear and their kids probably have very similar values.

00:18:33.220 We are becoming more progressive.

00:18:34.520 But the idea that like, oh, well, because it's illegal, it's gone now.

00:18:36.960 It's just like not borne out.

00:18:38.020 Like these things absolutely still happen.

00:18:39.540 These people still hold these views in a lot of different places.

00:18:41.580 So of course it is.

00:18:42.720 I mean, if there were any evidence that it were actually happening, even on the individual

00:18:45.860 level, like this is the example that comes to mind.

00:18:47.680 Look at like what happened to Papa John.

00:18:49.480 Papa John literally said the N word in a meeting telling employees of what not to say.

00:18:54.840 No, no, no, no, no.

00:18:55.540 He was quoting someone, right?

00:18:56.440 Papa John said something to the effect of how come Colonel Sanders said N word and he got

00:19:02.840 no flag for this?

00:19:04.060 Why is that acceptable?

00:19:05.460 He was condemning that Colonel Sanders used a slur and no one cared.

00:19:09.940 And they used that against them to strip him of everything.

00:19:12.200 The point being, it's such a hot market.

00:19:13.960 Maybe I can use this to pivot back to the topic though, actually.

00:19:15.740 Any instance of racism, you can file civil suits, you can do whatever.

00:19:19.920 It can become a national media thing.

00:19:21.440 You can get a book tour, whatever it is, if these instances were actually existing, even

00:19:25.020 at the individual level.

00:19:26.100 And so I feel like it's this game of, I don't know, whack-a-mole where it's like, oh, surely

00:19:29.980 these things must be being caused by institutional racism, even at the individual level.

00:19:34.800 Whereas, I mean, maybe we've got the thing with the blockbusting, but there are also

00:19:38.160 things like education, school funding, crime rates, of course, all sorts of different things

00:19:43.700 that we could use to explain the outcomes of different cultures in this country that

00:19:47.180 we can't quite find so precisely with things like institutional racism or even anecdotally.

00:19:52.240 But all of those things you just mentioned can be products of the institutional racism

00:19:55.320 like blockbusting, where it's like, hey, this entire neighborhood of black people is just

00:20:00.020 more poor because of something that started off as a racism thing, or maybe from someone who

00:20:04.360 was well-meaning, a liberal, progressive, woke person, and yet this is now downstream effects.

00:20:08.120 The property values are lower.

00:20:09.260 That means the school is going to be underfunded.

00:20:10.900 Like, this is all tied together.

00:20:11.640 That's why they get funding from the federal government.

00:20:13.460 You know, they don't, it's like 10%, I think, for like public schools.

00:20:16.320 On average, I think schools that are a majority minority receive like 1% greater funding from

00:20:22.000 the federal government than schools that are predominantly white, even.

00:20:24.720 I mean, you go, they even have better credentialed teachers with, you know, advanced degrees.

00:20:29.600 They get more funding.

00:20:30.620 And I remember I went down to Cast Tech High School in Detroit because I was trying to do

00:20:33.800 a fundraiser one time.

00:20:35.000 And it was better than my high school, which was in Birmingham Public Schools.

00:20:37.600 It was supposed to be like one of the better districts.

00:20:39.260 And I go down to Cast Tech High School.

00:20:40.600 I'm like walking in between like crackheads and human feces.

00:20:43.520 And I go into what looks like like a Silicon Valley startup building.

00:20:46.760 And I was like, okay, this is like pretty advanced.

00:20:48.700 Yet, I don't know how many kids in Detroit schools are literate.

00:20:50.800 So clearly there's something else going on.

00:20:52.700 Like 1% I don't think is going to make a huge difference.

00:20:54.460 And I could just fire back an anecdote.

00:20:56.080 I grew up in a particularly poor neighborhood.

00:20:58.220 And I was in like the okay kind of middle of the line mixed school.

00:21:01.640 But all the schools down in Richmond, which is like a notoriously poor neighborhood, were

00:21:04.680 really bad.

00:21:05.420 There's like gunfights, drugs, people getting.

00:21:07.280 I mean, there's literally, I think a movie about just how bad that was like Coach Carter

00:21:10.720 or something like that.

00:21:11.420 Like these are really, really bad schools.

00:21:13.240 The property values are really low.

00:21:14.280 And these kids like they grew up, they don't have anything.

00:21:16.440 These like they don't have a lot of opportunities.

00:21:17.760 I don't think you can just attribute this to like, well, it's just the cultural thing.

00:21:20.900 But the culture is downstream of definitely things that happen due to them being in these

00:21:25.440 like segregated ghettos, essentially.

00:21:26.680 I don't know, man.

00:21:28.000 I see.

00:21:28.360 But wait, I wanted to focus back to the masculinity thing because you mentioned the Papa John

00:21:31.180 thing of this idea that like, you know, he didn't actually do anything wrong, I don't

00:21:34.060 think.

00:21:34.220 He quoted someone, you know, who did something wrong to disparage that racist guy, right?

00:21:38.820 And then the reaction was, let's cancel Papa John, despite the fact that if you look

00:21:42.160 at this in context, this man has no ill will towards black people.

00:21:44.680 This man is specifically trying to call out racism.

00:21:46.820 And I think that's kind of what's going on with the masculinity thing where you get this

00:21:49.840 concept of like toxic masculinity.

00:21:51.340 I know you covered the Gillette commercial, right?

00:21:53.800 Where like everyone freaked out because he was like calling out men.

00:21:56.860 And like-

00:21:57.300 It wasn't calling out men.

00:21:59.080 It was stereotyping and disparaging them.

00:22:01.580 Right.

00:22:01.860 And like this idea that like the pendulum swing back to the left is, hey, for so long

00:22:06.840 we've seen these bad behaviors.

00:22:08.360 And rather than try to like integrate and like, hey, man, like let's fix men as men.

00:22:12.800 It's more of this like, hey, guys, like look at patriarchy.

00:22:15.700 Look at this like, you know, the men control everything.

00:22:17.560 The white people are repressing us.

00:22:18.800 And like this idea does alienate people because you hear this and like you're like, well,

00:22:22.160 even if you're not one of those people, it's like, oh, well, why are you being mean to me?

00:22:24.820 Like you said, like, why are you pushing this on me?

00:22:26.520 And the reaction of like the concept of toxic masculinity becomes this like, oh, so being

00:22:31.480 masculine is bad.

00:22:32.400 Even though it's trying to describe the worst parts of masculinity, it's unfortunate that

00:22:35.940 like people just hear that and they get turned off instantly.

00:22:37.920 And it's like this overreaction from the left that causes an even more overreaction from

00:22:41.780 the right to push them away.

00:22:42.780 I have a question.

00:22:43.520 How come the toxic masculinity and patriarchy and white supremacy narratives don't exist

00:22:49.900 in other countries to their dominant racial groups?

00:22:54.060 Like in China, how come there's no like left side of their, you know, political spectrum

00:22:59.680 saying Han supremacy is bad and, you know, Chinese people are oppressors.

00:23:04.100 I don't know specifically much about China.

00:23:06.040 Do they not like lock up dissidents to a degree there?

00:23:08.360 Oh, yeah.

00:23:09.060 That's it's the point being like, where is their political movement calling out their

00:23:13.280 moral or racial or ethnic supremacy?

00:23:16.040 I don't know if there is one for like racial and moral.

00:23:18.000 I mean, you can look at the concept of Taiwan or Hong Kong and these people kind of rebelling

00:23:22.320 against the leadership there.

00:23:23.400 But I can't speak.

00:23:24.180 They're the same ethnic background.

00:23:26.280 Taiwan is the original Republic of China.

00:23:28.680 It's a difference of political ideology.

00:23:30.900 Sure.

00:23:31.220 But I think they consider themselves like different peoples, right?

00:23:33.200 Or maybe I don't know.

00:23:34.120 I'm not like.

00:23:34.640 Well, the Taiwanese are going to say they're Taiwanese for sure.

00:23:37.220 And China is going to say the Taiwanese are Chinese.

00:23:39.740 My point is in the United States, the only the only group with racial outgroup preference

00:23:46.560 are white liberals.

00:23:48.160 Blacks, Asians, Latinos have a racial in-group preference and white conservatives have a

00:23:53.360 racial in-group preference.

00:23:54.860 White liberals have a racial outgroup preference.

00:23:56.820 You say outgroup preference like they like if you pull them, they're like more likely to

00:23:59.760 support their community than the party or something like that.

00:24:01.500 No, they're more likely to support non-white people.

00:24:03.200 Okay.

00:24:04.420 And so white liberals are the only group that would support non-white liberals.

00:24:08.420 So white, the racial outgroup meaning black people are more likely to vote for and support

00:24:13.480 black people.

00:24:14.580 Latinos are more likely for Latinos, Asians for Asians, white conservatives for white

00:24:18.260 people, and white liberals for any other race.

00:24:20.640 Sounds like white liberals are the least racist people.

00:24:22.940 I would argue that makes them the most racist.

00:24:25.380 Well, if we're willing to vote for anyone in our outgroup?

00:24:28.400 No, it means they don't support white people.

00:24:31.980 It means they have a preference.

00:24:33.340 Oh, they specifically have an anti-white bias, you're saying?

00:24:35.260 Yes.

00:24:35.780 Well, we call it racial outgroup preference.

00:24:37.540 What I heard from that is like, oh, they're willing to support anyone other than specifically

00:24:41.280 white people, which is kind of what my experience has been in like San Francisco.

00:24:44.620 It's not, let me be clear, there are people on like the fringe left that are like, oh,

00:24:47.860 fuck white men, for sure.

00:24:49.080 But for the most part, it's just like, hey, like I'll support anyone regardless of their

00:24:51.940 politics.

00:24:52.300 And like, that's kind of what that sounded like to me, or at least maybe that was me projecting

00:24:55.620 my experience onto what you were saying.

00:24:56.940 Like progressive activists, one might say are nuts, but they do hold a disproportionate

00:25:01.060 amount of power among the liberal faction in this country, be it the Democrats or otherwise.

00:25:07.600 And then you see how they implement this in universities and at protests with the progressive

00:25:11.700 stack.

00:25:12.540 If you're a white man, shut up, sit down, don't speak.

00:25:14.800 See, that's the thing is I experienced that right at the SJW college UCSD, right?

00:25:20.320 And I even took a gender studies class.

00:25:22.320 They have like a requirement DEI class, right?

00:25:24.600 So like, I thought like going in, I would watch, I would watch Tim Pool.

00:25:28.320 I would watch like anti-SJW content.

00:25:30.320 And I thought this was going to be like the wildest thing ever.

00:25:32.440 And going into that, it was really just kind of tame.

00:25:34.760 Like sometimes they would say some wild stuff, but it was never like, hey, you're a white

00:25:37.660 man, sit down, shut up.

00:25:38.460 If anything, I was the guy talking in class the most, like because I was the one who was

00:25:42.040 more opinionated.

00:25:42.800 I wanted to have these conversations.

00:25:44.200 I was really interested in like, hey, like this seems like an insane idea.

00:25:47.040 Can I push back on it?

00:25:47.940 Like no one ever like marginalized me for being white.

00:25:51.220 At the worst, there was maybe some rhetoric, but that's kind of like my whole thing about

00:25:54.160 this masculinity thing is, yeah, I get some bad things coming at me, maybe some like mean

00:25:59.520 comments, but that's like really the extent of it.

00:26:01.620 Like I don't feel discriminated against.

00:26:03.360 And like, why let that, why let that change like who I am and my politics and make me feel

00:26:08.740 like it didn't make me feel like I couldn't be myself in the liberal party.

00:26:12.080 Yeah, I mean, I would say that I know we all have our opinions and that's our prerogative,

00:26:19.240 but we do live in a two party system, which is to say that you have to at some point align

00:26:23.620 yourself with whichever party you believe is going to be a better approximation of how

00:26:26.900 you want the world to look.

00:26:28.000 And so I have complete respect for your opinions and your experience and you aligning yourself

00:26:32.440 with progressives, maybe even voting for Democrats.

00:26:34.220 But the problem is that when Democrats are in charge, whether that be expressly in political

00:26:39.180 institutions or even culturally, you do see that demonization, which maybe is caricaturized

00:26:43.920 in something like a Gillette commercial.

00:26:45.700 But even then, I mean, you can trace this back to growing up and you may not feel like,

00:26:50.060 you know, a mean comment here or there is really like stripping you of some identity,

00:26:52.820 but it is true that girls are encouraged.

00:26:55.660 Boys are treated like they're defective girls.

00:26:57.560 Girls are the example.

00:26:58.380 You're supposed to behave and sit up straight and do all this.

00:27:00.520 And boys are being plugged into this learning environment, which is frankly like ailing into

00:27:04.200 them in the way that boys tend to learn versus girls.

00:27:06.660 And so a lot of them just check out.

00:27:07.980 Like I said, my middle school was the most progressive private middle school you could

00:27:13.980 ever go to.

00:27:15.020 And I was never shamed for being a boy.

00:27:17.680 To be fair, I did a little rowdy stuff and I got in trouble for that.

00:27:20.240 But it was never like, oh, you need to sit down and shut up like a girl.

00:27:23.040 I'm a little confused.

00:27:23.760 Right.

00:27:24.200 But the fact is that males tend to have a more tactile learning basis.

00:27:29.500 Like hands-on sort of stuff.

00:27:30.680 Physical activity, things like that.

00:27:32.920 A requirement for more physical activity.

00:27:35.420 But the entire school system is we give you seven hours of sit down and shut up and we

00:27:40.620 give you half an hour of go run and play, where boys probably need substantially more

00:27:45.540 tactile learning.

00:27:47.220 And so what John's saying is it's not that they're going to the boys and saying, you're

00:27:50.940 a boy, you're bad.

00:27:51.640 They're saying behave in the way we've outlined.

00:27:54.940 Right.

00:27:55.180 Which is against their nature is kind of the argument.

00:27:56.980 It's just more feminine.

00:27:58.460 It's more female centric.

00:27:59.640 It creates conditions which are going to make them less successful and it tries to elevate

00:28:03.500 women into being more successful, let alone to mention, you know, the things, all these

00:28:06.580 programs, outreach, women in STEM, everything like that.

00:28:09.040 Can we pause?

00:28:09.500 Because like, okay, when you say they're going to be less successful, I mean, like this

00:28:12.040 has kind of been how we've done schooling for decades, right?

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00:29:38.620 Like, this wasn't really borne out in the past 100 years that men were less successful

00:29:43.820 because they were feminized in school?

00:29:45.120 That's not, well, no, no, it's not, I guess you can say feminized, but, uh.

00:29:49.640 Well, that was what you guys were saying.

00:29:50.780 Like, they're saying, like, take a look at the last 100 years.

00:29:53.400 The last 100 years.

00:29:53.900 Quite literally, I think the argument would support that over the last 100 years of industrialized,

00:29:59.660 institutionalized learning facilities, it has been to the detriment of men, and we can

00:30:04.220 see that substantially.

00:30:05.320 Like, what metric?

00:30:05.940 Men are more likely to commit suicide, they don't live as long, they're more likely to

00:30:10.940 be unemployed, they're more likely to be unemployed.

00:30:13.800 Right now, especially in this generation, millennials and Gen Z, they're more likely to

00:30:18.580 live at home with their parents, not have jobs, not go to university.

00:30:20.480 But if you're comparing this to 10 years ago or 20 years ago, maybe, yeah, sure.

00:30:22.980 But if we're looking at the past 100 years, and you talked about industrialization, where

00:30:26.100 it's like, yeah, I think just on a whole, everyone is better off post, like, 1860s,

00:30:30.100 like, invention of factories, like, as people move in cities.

00:30:32.920 Since we've implemented this institutionalized learning industrialization, you've had a

00:30:39.940 downward trend.

00:30:41.180 And that doesn't mean it's the sole...

00:30:43.000 What industrialized learning are you talking about?

00:30:45.140 Industrialized learning is when, pre-industrial revolution, you had small school rooms, sort

00:30:50.700 of, where it was...

00:30:51.380 Yeah, like the schoolhouse with the one teacher and the 20 kids or whatever.

00:30:53.340 And even then, it wasn't entirely that way.

00:30:55.380 A lot of kids would just learn from their parents, or through correspondence, or through

00:30:59.100 self-study, or through their, you know, largely homeschooling.

00:31:01.400 Yeah, but I mean, if we're comparing it to that, we wouldn't say, like, we're smarter,

00:31:04.640 better off than that as a whole.

00:31:06.320 I mean, I feel like most people are doing better, absolutely, than the, like, 1850s learning.

00:31:10.660 But we're not talking about technological advancement.

00:31:12.820 We're talking about the structure of society.

00:31:14.680 Yeah, I'm talking about, like, life expectancy, happiness, like...

00:31:17.720 Technological advancement, indeed, has continued to go up, largely due to oil.

00:31:22.320 Life expectancy is down, actually, in...

00:31:23.320 In the 1850s?

00:31:24.780 No, maybe not from the 1850s, but quite recently, life expectancy has dipped, I think, in the

00:31:28.980 last five or ten years or so, particularly for white men who have been so vilified unfairly.

00:31:33.760 And, shoot, what was the other one?

00:31:34.800 Happiness.

00:31:35.200 I don't know how you would quantify that.

00:31:36.420 That is a hard one, for sure.

00:31:37.460 The general social survey, or, you know, as Tim mentioned, suicide rates.

00:31:40.700 That's a pretty good...

00:31:41.740 No, no, no, no, just...

00:31:42.920 I think it's quite simple.

00:31:44.140 I mean, happiness is relative, it's subjective, and humans...

00:31:47.720 Adapt.

00:31:48.500 But the fact that we have a large portion of the younger generation of men, their needs,

00:31:53.560 not in employment, education, and training, is indicative of a failure of our society

00:31:57.340 towards men.

00:31:58.340 Yeah.

00:31:58.560 Women are more likely to go to university and graduate than men by, like, what?

00:32:01.740 It's, like, 60 to 60-40 now?

00:32:03.660 But their suicide rates are up, as well, right?

00:32:05.040 I would say it's...

00:32:05.780 I mean, men are better at everything, so that's why we kill ourselves more, because we're

00:32:08.660 better at it.

00:32:09.220 And they're more likely to do...

00:32:10.040 I mean, people always bring up gun deaths, right?

00:32:11.640 Like, I think half of them, there's, like, 13,000 of them per year.

00:32:15.020 Liberals will complain about this.

00:32:16.220 Yeah, most of them are suicides.

00:32:17.420 And, like, if you have a gun, it's easier.

00:32:19.240 And women tend to do things like, what, like, risk stuff, pills, things that you can recover

00:32:23.580 from.

00:32:24.160 And I think, like, it's one of those things where people are unhappier in the trends right

00:32:27.960 now because of what you're talking about, because you look at your boomer dad and your

00:32:30.560 Gen X dad, and it's like, well, what the fuck?

00:32:32.360 Like, you've got all these opportunities, and I don't get any of these, and there's all

00:32:34.840 these expectations.

00:32:35.460 It's like, what's the big lie of, like, just go to college, you'll be successful.

00:32:38.500 And, like, I graduated college.

00:32:40.020 I was one of the lucky ones.

00:32:41.780 A lot of people just didn't get jobs out of college.

00:32:43.500 They're struggling.

00:32:44.280 I can't afford a house.

00:32:45.140 The only people I know in my generation, I'm 29, that have a house are the two engineers

00:32:50.500 that got married.

00:32:51.380 And even then, they're not in California.

00:32:52.940 They're in, like, Colorado.

00:32:54.320 They're in, you know, some other place where the cost of living is much easier.

00:32:56.860 So, like, I think this idea that this is because of the, you know, demonization of men is not

00:33:01.240 nearly so borne out as it is.

00:33:02.880 People had this expectation of what life was supposed to be, and it's just not happening.

00:33:06.700 And so all these, like, as a whole, society in our generation is more unhappy because

00:33:10.140 we're not getting what we want.

00:33:11.180 We don't have the house.

00:33:12.240 We don't have the white picket fence.

00:33:13.140 So, once again, the issue is if you're an 18-year-old white man and you grew up in a

00:33:17.920 society, you've experienced no privilege.

00:33:20.980 Why do you say that?

00:33:21.940 No privilege.

00:33:22.860 Like, when I say privilege, you don't have the Gen X privilege, right?

00:33:26.100 You don't have that economy.

00:33:27.220 But it's like, hey, like, because, again, I hate the word privilege here because it's

00:33:30.280 like, you don't feel the idea of black people or your cops are less likely to attack you

00:33:34.380 because you're black, right?

00:33:35.440 Because what I would say is the challenge with what you're describing is it's based on

00:33:42.060 class for the most part with sometimes a racial component.

00:33:46.680 I was reading a study actually from, I want to say this is, it's on a book called How Fascism

00:33:51.000 Works, which is like the most liberal book I could have brought up here.

00:33:53.300 But it was talking about the hiring practices of people who report themselves as former convicts.

00:33:59.720 And it was like black versus white, not a former convict, black versus white, former

00:34:03.680 convict.

00:34:04.320 And for like the black who are not a former convict, the percentage of whether or not

00:34:08.320 you get hired is already like 10 times lower or something ridiculously low.

00:34:11.240 And then for the black convict level, even the white former convicts were getting like

00:34:14.660 hired at like a 10 to 5% higher rate.

00:34:16.980 It does seem like there is at least this product of, and people have that privilege.

00:34:21.560 I don't like that because if I'm a white guy not getting hired, I don't feel privileged,

00:34:24.860 right?

00:34:25.100 That's why I don't like the word.

00:34:26.260 So the issue is there's not just a thing as white privilege.

00:34:29.080 That is a fact statement, not an opinion.

00:34:30.760 What do you mean by that?

00:34:31.740 Because what I just described is what people mean, but I think that's a bad word.

00:34:35.360 Because when you're trying to determine any kind of like fact basis in science, we look

00:34:42.580 for controls.

00:34:43.640 And when you look at any other non-white nation, these concepts don't exist.

00:34:47.380 However-

00:34:47.720 We're a unique nation.

00:34:48.460 Similar-

00:34:49.120 Like the history of racism.

00:34:50.660 Similar-

00:34:52.020 I'm saying it's meaningless.

00:34:53.280 So if I finish the point that I'm trying to make, instead of you interrupting before

00:34:56.300 the point can be completed, the Han Chinese, for instance, have an ethnic majority and

00:35:00.440 supremacy, and they experience what one would define as a privilege.

00:35:03.380 Okay.

00:35:03.640 But it's not because it's white privilege.

00:35:06.120 Yeah, it's Han privilege.

00:35:06.960 Sure.

00:35:07.340 It's just majority privilege.

00:35:09.120 A nation's ethnic and cultural majority tends to dictate what they want and what they

00:35:12.880 expect.

00:35:13.420 Okay.

00:35:13.640 That will never go away nor change.

00:35:15.300 Well, I think it can change.

00:35:16.680 I think you just described it.

00:35:18.960 The point is-

00:35:19.300 So the point that I was making-

00:35:20.440 You're agreeing with the concept, which I-

00:35:22.320 You clearly get it.

00:35:23.020 There's no white privilege.

00:35:24.480 But there's the-

00:35:25.440 And if you're a Gen Z white man, you've never experienced such a thing.

00:35:28.420 So when they say, you know, white guys would go and apply for a job, they'd get it.

00:35:32.520 And now a 17-year-old white guy applies and they go, no white people.

00:35:35.060 Get out.

00:35:35.340 And he goes, there's no privilege.

00:35:37.100 Because there isn't.

00:35:37.540 No white people?

00:35:38.500 I'm sure this has happened before, but is there a massive influx of people like, we

00:35:41.860 don't hire white people?

00:35:42.780 I mean, first of all, it's literally legal, right?

00:35:44.580 It should be, but this is typically what the left supports.

00:35:47.880 So we actually-

00:35:48.620 We interviewed a pro skateboarder-

00:35:50.220 I don't think people are not as a whole supporting the idea of, we can't hire white

00:35:52.360 men.

00:35:52.920 Absolutely.

00:35:53.540 What was it?

00:35:54.020 94% of jobs in the post-Floyd era went to people of color, to women in the S&P 100

00:36:00.600 or something.

00:36:00.860 Boosting a marginalized group is not the same as saying, no white men.

00:36:03.500 If there are people that say, you cannot hire white men-

00:36:06.140 No, it's not, because you're assuming it's a zero-sum game.

00:36:08.320 It's illegal to hire white men.

00:36:09.080 Yeah, no.

00:36:09.620 Wait, what?

00:36:10.240 It's illegal to hire white men?

00:36:11.320 If he started a company and all he were hiring were white men, T-minus what?

00:36:14.860 Until a lawsuit comes in.

00:36:16.120 They would be investigated.

00:36:17.080 You cannot start an S&P 100 company or some serious company without hiring at least some

00:36:21.940 women, some minorities.

00:36:23.040 So it's illegal to hire based on merit, which yes, in practice makes it illegal to hire

00:36:26.920 Well, that's not illegal to be hired based on merit, first of all, because the idea

00:36:28.960 that-

00:36:29.200 Sure it is.

00:36:29.540 No, because you're describing it like, ah, they just found a black woman on the street and

00:36:32.480 they're like, get in here, right?

00:36:33.380 Versus like, hey, when you look at a pool of qualified candidates, you can't select one

00:36:37.020 race, which is a very different thing.

00:36:38.460 And it's not a zero-sum game.

00:36:39.600 You have a bunch of different slots.

00:36:41.280 If it was one slot and you're like, for this one job, you can't hire a white guy.

00:36:44.500 I think the only thing that would ever make sense for that is if you're casting for a

00:36:47.860 show and this character's black, right?

00:36:49.960 But it is a fact that this happens, that white guys are passed over.

00:36:53.660 Right, but you're describing it as a phenomenon that is so widespread that every 18-year-old

00:36:58.120 zillennial is experiencing this, which at least in my experience is growing up in this

00:37:02.300 progressive area, in the most progressive place on the planet, this is not happening.

00:37:05.460 I'm not getting discriminated against for being white.

00:37:07.800 Like I said, I'll get some insults here or there, but it's not like-

00:37:09.900 That's called being discriminated against for being white, yes.

00:37:12.140 Okay, sure, but not on an institutional level for jobs.

00:37:14.820 How would you know?

00:37:15.460 What are you comparing it to?

00:37:16.700 I'm comparing it to every other white person that I graduated with, all the white people

00:37:20.660 around me.

00:37:21.140 None of these people are struggling.

00:37:22.420 Generations don't experience the same thing as the other generation.

00:37:25.940 Literally, Gen Z men are struggling.

00:37:27.740 I am in Gen Z technically, and I grow up around, I hang out with a lot of younger people because

00:37:32.720 I had a deferred college graduation.

00:37:34.800 Would you agree that Gen Z men are struggling?

00:37:37.040 Yes, absolutely, but I don't think it's because of white men discrimination.

00:37:40.040 I didn't say it was, it's a component.

00:37:41.520 Yeah.

00:37:41.760 The point is, when the left comes out and says, we want affirmative action in hiring and

00:37:45.740 colleges and public contracting, the 17 or 18-year-old white man is going, whatever

00:37:51.360 it is you think boomers got, I don't have, I don't get.

00:37:55.220 But, so when you create a racially discriminatory system, you have created a privilege for certain

00:38:01.340 classes of people.

00:38:02.120 Yeah, in that specific thing.

00:38:03.260 Yeah, absolutely.

00:38:03.940 And this is what I was talking about.

00:38:05.060 Like, you don't, even if, like, just for a second, assume that the phenomenon that we

00:38:08.440 both agree exists is called white privilege, just because that's what people call it.

00:38:11.560 It exists insofar as, like, yeah, this person might be preference in this specific

00:38:15.060 area, or, you know, you might not just face the same problem as a black person here,

00:38:19.340 but you don't experience white privilege.

00:38:21.180 You don't feel, I don't believe that it exists.

00:38:22.740 You don't feel the absence of something, well, you agree the majority group in control is

00:38:28.440 going to have some sort of, like, in-group preference for that same.

00:38:30.880 Which for the past 15, 20 years has been liberal left, so they're, they're white critical.

00:38:35.500 To an extent.

00:38:36.180 I mean, our country is not, like, a liberal left majority ruled by, they're not, like,

00:38:40.300 When Jack Dorsey was in charge of X, for instance, if you post FBI crime stats, you'd

00:38:44.720 get banned.

00:38:45.220 I'm sorry, your, your example of whether or not white men are, or liberals are in control

00:38:50.840 is just Twitter not allowing, like...

00:38:53.520 Perhaps I could describe it as Facebook, YouTube, and X, the three largest social media platforms

00:38:58.140 in the country and the world.

00:38:59.040 Social media is a big component of our lives.

00:39:00.700 Banning people for, for posting fact data because it was deemed racist.

00:39:04.240 Yeah, but that's not just posting the fact data.

00:39:06.680 Almost every, if you're posting, like, 1350 stuff, it's because you're trying to paint

00:39:09.720 a greater narrative of, oh, you know, black people have a crime gene or something.

00:39:12.220 So you're not disagreeing with me?

00:39:13.720 I'm saying that if you're using the example of, like, oh, look at our institutions and

00:39:17.520 how they're overwhelmingly liberal.

00:39:18.700 If you're talking about social media, yeah, they were for a while.

00:39:20.660 I think that has since shifted, obviously, especially...

00:39:22.800 And major cities, institutions are liberal as well.

00:39:24.560 Major cities, yeah.

00:39:25.340 But if you're talking about, like, the country as a whole, jobs, like, all these places,

00:39:28.980 this is not, like, everything everywhere.

00:39:30.580 Like, it is absolutely part of it, 100%.

00:39:32.840 And, like, half the country, sure, is, like, liberal, progressive, not progressive, liberal

00:39:36.800 at the very least.

00:39:37.600 But the idea that, like, that is the same as saying, like, a white majority in-group

00:39:41.160 is just not, like, borne out.

00:39:42.580 There's not, like...

00:39:43.820 I guess you might say, like, certain people might discriminate against your politics in

00:39:47.080 certain areas.

00:39:47.640 Definitely in San Francisco, I've had people who are, you know, mag-leaning at the least.

00:39:51.000 But, like, that is not the same as, like, a white in-group preference that does exist

00:39:54.900 in this country.

00:39:55.600 There's not a debate on this issue.

00:39:56.740 This is a fact statement that we had Supreme Court hearings over as to liberal institutions

00:40:02.780 not admitting hiring white people.

00:40:06.280 But that's not what I'm saying.

00:40:07.280 No, I will say...

00:40:07.780 You're saying, does this happen?

00:40:08.760 I'm saying, yeah, obviously.

00:40:09.840 I'm saying this is not the widespread concept of America is this in-group privilege for white

00:40:14.600 liberal progressives, or liberal progressives.

00:40:17.300 Like, I just don't think that's the case.

00:40:19.100 No, it's anti-white.

00:40:20.660 Sure.

00:40:21.040 Liberal progressives being the majority in-group.

00:40:23.680 In the same way you might say that America was a primary white in-group preference in,

00:40:27.740 like, the 60s.

00:40:28.420 Like, there's not, like, that sort of thing going on.

00:40:30.940 Like, to the extent of, like, oh, we're, like...

00:40:32.540 The point being, the left right now is penalizing young men for something they did not do.

00:40:38.180 It's a sins of the father.

00:40:38.920 Penalizing how?

00:40:39.900 Like, you talked about discrimination, which is true.

00:40:42.220 Yeah, if you apply to go to Harvard, you have to score higher substantially than a Latino

00:40:47.140 or black person to get in.

00:40:48.580 Yeah.

00:40:48.860 That's called a penalization.

00:40:50.660 That sort of, but again, this is, like, a singular institution.

00:40:52.520 They literally deduct against your score based on your race.

00:40:55.060 Right.

00:40:55.280 And they do that for, like, Asians the worst, right, too?

00:40:57.280 Yeah.

00:40:57.640 Yeah, I know.

00:40:58.140 There's, like, a whole lot about this.

00:40:59.340 Did they get rid of that?

00:41:01.140 I think they technically...

00:41:03.820 Technically didn't.

00:41:05.860 They changed the way they went about it, which was another controversy.

00:41:08.900 I don't know where the lawsuit ended up.

00:41:09.900 It's been a while since we covered that one.

00:41:11.360 But this is also one of the things where I'm, like, I haven't gotten to finish this point,

00:41:14.060 but the idea, like, you don't experience privilege is, like, you don't.

00:41:17.120 You don't feel less detriment.

00:41:18.920 You don't feel that because it's not happening to you.

00:41:19.980 I've only ever felt more from it.

00:41:21.560 Huh?

00:41:21.940 I've only ever felt more detriment from it.

00:41:23.480 Exactly.

00:41:24.000 You only ever feel it when it's against you.

00:41:26.020 So, like, if someone is, like, oh, like, let's just say we're talking about the 1960s,

00:41:29.600 where, like, obviously you would assume, like, white privilege exists in the 60s, right?

00:41:32.780 No.

00:41:33.120 You can agree?

00:41:33.400 No?

00:41:33.980 No.

00:41:34.800 Okay.

00:41:35.400 Well, I don't want to get into that.

00:41:36.920 I kind of know your politics.

00:41:38.580 I don't want to get into it there.

00:41:39.000 You couldn't marry someone who wasn't the same races.

00:41:40.920 You couldn't live with them.

00:41:41.880 Yeah.

00:41:42.200 Again, you know, I don't like the concession of, like, oh, my grandparents were the crazy ones,

00:41:46.040 but I know better.

00:41:46.740 It's like this has been a consistent trend in the country's history.

00:41:50.480 Hold on.

00:41:51.000 I'm literally just saying, was it not obvious that you had a harder life if you were black

00:41:55.100 in the 60s?

00:41:56.780 You can't say no to that.

00:41:57.700 Come on.

00:41:58.160 Actually, Derrick Bell would disagree with you.

00:42:00.080 I have no idea who that is.

00:42:01.200 He's one of the founders of critical race theory.

00:42:04.020 He would say it was easier to be black in the 60s?

00:42:07.120 His argument is that the end of segregation was a detriment to black people.

00:42:10.560 Okay.

00:42:10.940 I don't care.

00:42:11.580 That sounds stupid.

00:42:12.380 But the point I'm saying is, obviously, in the time—

00:42:14.180 This is critical race theory.

00:42:15.340 Yeah.

00:42:15.540 This is—he works alongside Kimberley Crenshaw.

00:42:17.600 They wrote the book on this stuff.

00:42:18.820 Okay.

00:42:19.200 The argument among the people who advocate the concept of white privilege is that separate

00:42:24.060 spaces for black people—they call them POC spaces—are better.

00:42:27.040 Yeah, safe spaces.

00:42:27.860 No, I experienced that.

00:42:28.680 I wouldn't call it—they don't call it safe spaces.

00:42:30.520 The argument was, from Derrick Bell, that they said Plessy v. Ferguson was wrong.

00:42:35.740 He says there should be black-only schools.

00:42:37.480 There should be black-only businesses.

00:42:38.560 Okay.

00:42:38.700 This guy sounds like a radical racist person.

00:42:40.520 I don't like this person.

00:42:41.080 But this is what you're describing.

00:42:42.140 This is critical race theory, the book.

00:42:43.780 This is what the universities are teaching.

00:42:45.700 Derrick Bell is a prominent thought leader on this.

00:42:47.360 I didn't learn this in DEI course.

00:42:48.400 I literally took gender studies.

00:42:49.560 I didn't learn about Derrick Bell.

00:42:50.600 Maybe.

00:42:51.060 But I don't think this is what's the universal university.

00:42:54.240 First of all, the fact that I am familiar with so many college people and no one has

00:42:57.820 told me this before—I'm not saying this isn't real, by the way.

00:42:59.680 You haven't studied critical race theory?

00:43:00.960 No.

00:43:01.180 No, I'm saying this is not like the universally applied theory to most of these places where

00:43:04.420 like, yeah, we need to segregate society back.

00:43:05.940 How much time did you spend in the black community?

00:43:07.620 A lot, actually.

00:43:08.620 So during the Ferguson riots, for instance, and the Baltimore riots, they were circulating

00:43:12.980 a letter, the teachings of Derrick Bell, advocating for a black-only community space.

00:43:18.940 In fact, I think it was—

00:43:20.220 But a black-only community space is different from 1960s segregation, though.

00:43:23.160 The argument predicated upon that before the end of segregation, black people had their

00:43:28.680 own economy, their own Wall Street, their own wealth.

00:43:31.440 Yes, I've heard this.

00:43:32.040 And after the—

00:43:32.820 And it's like, it was better then, right?

00:43:34.140 And what the argument they're making is, is that white supremacists, which had always

00:43:38.380 been the Democratic Party, the party of the Klan and Jim Crow and slavery, decided if we

00:43:43.360 allow black people to establish their own economy, they will supplant us.

00:43:47.360 What we need to do, while they're still weak, force them by law to integrate with us so

00:43:52.760 that our institutions will be over them.

00:43:54.460 Okay, interesting.

00:43:55.120 That is the critical race theory view of what the end of segregation was.

00:43:57.680 It was a ploy to subvert the black excellence kind of movement.

00:44:02.120 They would have done better on their own.

00:44:03.820 However you want to describe it, the point was, the question asked by these critical

00:44:07.760 race theorists, these black community leaders, is why did the Democrats do a 180 in a matter

00:44:11.920 of four years?

00:44:13.000 The Southern strategy?

00:44:14.580 Some people try to make the argument that they were trying to win, but that doesn't

00:44:17.480 change how an entire block of racists suddenly were not racist anymore.

00:44:21.560 Well, did the racists become un-racist?

00:44:24.780 The politicians themselves, yes.

00:44:27.040 Like Robert Byrd and stuff?

00:44:28.060 They didn't evaporate from the political landscape.

00:44:30.360 They just all of a sudden said, you know what?

00:44:31.660 We agree.

00:44:32.820 We're not racist anymore.

00:44:33.920 Okay, sure.

00:44:34.560 If the argument is that...

00:44:36.100 I'm not saying they're right.

00:44:37.060 I'm saying that's the critical race theory argument.

00:44:38.600 Sure.

00:44:39.380 It seems kind of like a weird conspiracy theory, but the whole point I'm trying to bring

00:44:43.060 up is, look, if we just talk about white privilege or privilege in general, you don't

00:44:46.800 feel privilege?

00:44:47.500 I don't feel...

00:44:48.540 If I was a 1960s white guy, I'm not like, oh boy, there's no problems in my fucking life

00:44:52.840 because I'm not forced to go into the left door instead of the right door, and I don't

00:44:57.380 have to walk in the street.

00:44:58.000 I don't have white privilege at all.

00:44:59.140 I'm mixed race.

00:44:59.780 Well, hold on.

00:45:00.320 I mean, do you agree that if we're accepting the concept of white privilege in the 60s,

00:45:04.760 that you don't feel privilege if you did have it then?

00:45:06.880 You don't feel like, oh, everything's better.

00:45:08.500 You just don't have it worse, right?

00:45:10.060 I think what I would say, just to clarify, is ethnic majority access is probably a better

00:45:16.500 way to put it.

00:45:17.040 Sure, sure.

00:45:17.380 And you don't feel that until it's gone, right?

00:45:19.760 And that's kind of what's happening on the left with men, where it's like we had a big

00:45:22.760 in-group preference for so long, and now because we're focusing on all these other groups,

00:45:27.100 I'm not getting the focus.

00:45:28.300 Me, white men, big muscular guys, people discriminate against me insofar as they're

00:45:31.900 like, oh, is that guy here to invade my space?

00:45:34.400 I've been in...

00:45:35.020 They would go to these feminist talk circles in college, and they'd be like, what are you

00:45:39.020 doing here?

00:45:39.680 You know, they give me looks because they're like, you're not like us.

00:45:42.000 You don't look like us.

00:45:42.780 And that feels like, oh, well, shit, because we've focused and put the spotlight on these

00:45:47.840 people who never did have it before, now I don't have it.

00:45:51.100 It feels like something's been taken away from me.

00:45:52.420 That's just the same problem regurgitated for a new generation.

00:45:54.820 Right, right, right.

00:45:55.240 And I'm just saying...

00:45:56.000 Choosing anyone based on race is the problem.

00:45:58.760 I'm saying that that feels alienating, and I understand why men are not drawn to that,

00:46:02.640 especially when the right offers them something like, hey, we're not doing that.

00:46:06.280 And it's just as simple as that.

00:46:07.180 The left is basically going like, hey, look at that problem.

00:46:10.540 Let's do the exact same thing again.

00:46:12.580 I think it happens sometimes, but I don't think it's the exact same thing.

00:46:15.140 For example, like you talked about, if you have a black-only community space, I don't

00:46:18.760 think that is the same thing.

00:46:19.860 As much as I say, you don't need to have that necessarily.

00:46:22.660 Like, you can absolutely have white people working in your community towards the common

00:46:25.740 goal.

00:46:26.280 I don't think they're segregating them because they're like, oh, we hate white people.

00:46:29.000 We don't want them there.

00:46:29.580 It's because they specifically want to hyper-focus the conversation on people who understand the problem

00:46:33.860 because they're from that community, and then spread those ideas to other places, because

00:46:37.360 it's not this exclusive segregating thing.

00:46:39.280 Do you think it would be good if, like, we took a major city, say Chicago, and then made

00:46:45.060 all the races live in race-specific areas?

00:46:47.980 No.

00:46:48.740 We kind of do that already now, actually.

00:46:50.460 That's the point.

00:46:50.860 Yeah, it kind of already happened.

00:46:51.620 That's actually the structure, naturally.

00:46:53.040 The level of segregation as it exists now is actually greater than it was even in the

00:46:57.820 60s pre the outline of that.

00:46:59.200 That might be neighborhood segregation, but we're talking about, hey, you can't go in the

00:47:03.080 same bar.

00:47:03.700 Right, yeah, but do you know, hold on, you're from San Francisco?

00:47:08.360 Yeah.

00:47:09.080 I gotta, you know, I want to make this proposal to you, but I also, I don't want to be responsible

00:47:13.680 for your death.

00:47:15.560 I would.

00:47:16.260 Are you telling me to go to a gay bar and I'll get, oh, no.

00:47:18.720 I'd like to bring you to K-Town.

00:47:20.740 Okay.

00:47:21.940 And see how long you last.

00:47:23.300 Why would I, why would I?

00:47:24.740 I'll kill you.

00:47:25.980 You'll just die because you're white.

00:47:28.080 Okay.

00:47:28.840 I mean, that's bad.

00:47:30.560 People killing people because they're white is bad?

00:47:32.640 Yeah, I don't know.

00:47:33.320 Right, the point being that racism and these privilege and these things you describe are

00:47:40.840 just like, I feel like it's largely white people standing on a hilltop looking around

00:47:45.140 being like, look how great we are.

00:47:46.380 We're so great.

00:47:47.400 How come it's so good for us?

00:47:48.520 Why are we so great?

00:47:49.760 These poor minorities.

00:47:51.400 And then like take a stroll through a black neighborhood in Chicago and see what happens.

00:47:54.980 You know, to be fair, like Hyde Park is super nice.

00:47:58.560 Is that not an indication?

00:47:59.320 Everyone is mad at white people all the time for no reason.

00:48:02.640 Adjacent to the data you mentioned earlier about in-group versus out-group, there's data

00:48:05.780 even showing how races rank each other.

00:48:07.840 If you look at how white people rank themselves relative to other races, it's pretty much a

00:48:11.780 straight line.

00:48:12.640 If you look at how black people rank themselves, it's the first, every other race, not so much.

00:48:16.640 White people last.

00:48:17.620 You need white boy magic.

00:48:18.580 Same thing with Hispanics, same thing with Asians.

00:48:21.160 They all like themselves the most and dislike white people the most.

00:48:24.380 And so that creates a problem when you have these communities.

00:48:26.440 Like you're saying, if you walk through, I know you mentioned in the car you were Jewish,

00:48:29.220 but if you walk through and they identify you as a white guy, that's going to be a problem

00:48:32.420 in these neighborhoods.

00:48:33.340 And so why that is, I mean, do you really think that this education-

00:48:36.220 Would you think if I said, stop, I'm Jewish, they wouldn't kill me?

00:48:38.140 No, I don't think they understand sort of the problem there.

00:48:40.400 But I would say that.

00:48:41.680 If you're in New York and you said, stop, I'm Jewish, you'd get-

00:48:45.460 They'd kill me extra.

00:48:46.280 Have you seen what's been going on in New York?

00:48:48.960 Oh, I saw the thing that happened at that museum.

00:48:51.460 Well, it's called the Knockout Game.

00:48:53.360 And what you have is-

00:48:54.480 Oh, there's something else.

00:48:56.460 Black men, teenagers, have been going around New York attacking Jewish people.

00:49:02.520 Wow.

00:49:02.900 That's been going on for-

00:49:03.740 I remember that was an Obama-era thing as well.

00:49:05.840 But the point I was trying to make there is if we can agree that, say, minorities are

00:49:08.760 not getting the same access to education that white students are, which maybe I would

00:49:12.440 disagree with, but let's pretend that's the case.

00:49:14.060 Because then this education they're getting, which a lot of conservatives would say is

00:49:17.620 making them hate America and all this stuff, isn't quite landing with them the same way.

00:49:21.380 They're not getting A's on tests about all the evil white people who are mean to their

00:49:24.380 grandparents.

00:49:25.080 Yet they're still doing things like the Knockout Game.

00:49:27.260 Did you go to college?

00:49:27.700 Is that what they're teaching?

00:49:28.820 Because I literally took a gender studies class.

00:49:30.580 They're not teaching you that white men are evil.

00:49:32.280 They still-

00:49:32.740 One of the coolest things that they taught me in that was about, you know, COINTELPRO?

00:49:35.900 Like that whole program, like the anti-civil rights, like FBI thing.

00:49:38.360 Okay, so even better.

00:49:39.060 They're not teaching that, but still the races are reporting these attitudes and how they

00:49:42.900 feel about white people versus other races.

00:49:45.540 And so what that would suggest is that, as Tim said, there is some sort of like anti-white

00:49:49.340 cultural, maybe anti-majority cultural narrative that is predominant and that young people

00:49:53.520 are recognizing and they are responding to.

00:49:55.480 They are responding to other people's reaction towards their existence and they are moving

00:49:59.460 away from that.

00:50:00.300 Right, I agree with you completely.

00:50:02.200 This is what I'm talking about, where it's like this narrative of, hey, these people have

00:50:05.700 been in power so long and these injustices were caused by this group in power.

00:50:09.800 That's framed as, oh, I'm bad because I'm white.

00:50:12.000 And what I'm saying is I went through that whole thing.

00:50:14.000 I went into the trenches of the gender warfare and I didn't come out thinking like, oh, I'm

00:50:17.740 bad because I'm white.

00:50:18.420 I'm bad because I'm a male.

00:50:19.200 I just thought, oh, yeah, like people in the past did things and I don't have guilt for

00:50:23.260 things I never did.

00:50:24.060 And I'm just recognizing like the historical things that might have happened that might have caused

00:50:27.640 these groups to suffer.

00:50:28.740 That's fine.

00:50:29.380 Like that didn't cause me to leave the left.

00:50:31.260 And I'm not saying there's no reason to because some people do come out of that and they're

00:50:33.900 like, I feel demonized.

00:50:34.940 I understand that 100 percent.

00:50:36.840 My, I guess, olive branch of those people is like, why let that change your policy if

00:50:41.060 these people aren't actually discriminating against you?

00:50:43.120 They're just at worst kind of being annoying.

00:50:45.220 Like that's really just been my experience.

00:50:46.700 And it's like that didn't make me less liberal.

00:50:48.820 It didn't make me less progressive.

00:50:49.640 It's just like, oh, OK, like I don't I don't feel guilt when they're like, oh, we're talking

00:50:53.320 about slavery and white people did slavery.

00:50:55.080 It's like, OK.

00:50:55.400 I just simply not sure I'll put it this way on the on the race stuff.

00:51:00.260 Chicago is deeply segregated by choice.

00:51:03.060 Yeah, that happens in like most cities.

00:51:04.500 Like, but it isn't forced.

00:51:05.760 Right.

00:51:06.000 It isn't forced to one degree by law.

00:51:07.980 So where I grew up, if you crossed 47th from the south to the north, you went from a largely

00:51:13.820 white, somewhat Hispanic neighborhood into an all black neighborhood.

00:51:18.380 And if you did, you get stopped by the cops and they detain you and they usually drive

00:51:23.440 you back.

00:51:24.260 Is it because they're like, hey, this isn't safe and we're protecting you?

00:51:26.620 No, because they said the only reason white boys come up here is to buy drugs.

00:51:29.620 So you're leaving right now.

00:51:30.800 OK, but that's not legally enforced segregation.

00:51:34.320 That's a stereotyping.

00:51:34.800 I said largely enforced by the law, which I meant the cops.

00:51:37.940 I get what you're saying, but that's a pattern of behavior that they're trying to.

00:51:41.380 The inverse, however, was that there were several gangs of teenage black girls from north of

00:51:48.380 47th who would cross down to the south and then mug and rob young girls in the white neighborhood

00:51:53.500 and the police.

00:51:54.400 It became a huge issue with the local government and the cops were like, look, we can't do

00:51:59.120 anything about it because if we stop these girls before they commit the crime, we're

00:52:02.100 racist.

00:52:02.760 So we're going to let them keep going.

00:52:04.740 However, the problem is after they've already committed the robberies and the muggings and

00:52:07.820 we know it is a gang, well, then they're gone.

00:52:10.560 What can we do?

00:52:11.160 So it just kept happening in our neighborhood.

00:52:13.420 This created.

00:52:15.060 So it's like people choose to live near the races they choose, but this created pure racism.

00:52:22.280 Yeah, that's bad.

00:52:23.100 I think those cops should have arrested the people doing crimes.

00:52:25.560 They can't stop.

00:52:26.420 Oh, they should.

00:52:27.280 But it's racist.

00:52:29.220 It's not racist to arrest people who's mugging someone.

00:52:31.500 How do you how do you arrest someone after they've been mugged and the gang splits up

00:52:33.820 and you don't know who did the mugging?

00:52:35.080 I mean, you could stop people.

00:52:36.100 They're like, hey, don't get me wrong.

00:52:37.880 This does get applied in poor ways where it's like, hey, a black guy robbed me.

00:52:41.320 And then they stop like every 30 black people.

00:52:42.940 But like, if you give a description of a suspect, you got to go stop them.

00:52:45.960 I completely agree.

00:52:47.120 That's why I've always been a big supporter of stop and frisk.

00:52:49.380 I think cops need to go and stop as many of these black people who fit descriptions as

00:52:52.680 possible and search them in case they're the ones who committed the robbery.

00:52:54.980 Right.

00:52:55.120 If you're responding to a crime, I think that's very different from just stopping random people

00:52:59.120 that look suspicious on the street all the time like they did in New York.

00:53:02.320 But if someone fits a description, the cops should stop and frisk them, right?

00:53:05.320 For you mean if they have absolutely no other reason to other than, hey, can you really

00:53:08.540 question you?

00:53:08.720 No, no, no.

00:53:08.740 If they fit a description for a crime, the cops should stop them and frisk them.

00:53:11.380 I don't know if the rule is that you're allowed to just immediately search them.

00:53:14.180 But if they fit the role of a crime and they want to stop them and ask them.

00:53:17.240 Cops can pat down, but they can't put their hands in your pockets or bag.

00:53:20.280 They're allowed to feel the outside, and if they feel an object that they believe is

00:53:24.300 a weapon or contraband, then they can probably cause it.

00:53:27.000 I can see ways of it being abused, but again, if the idea is the dichotomy between not being

00:53:31.960 able to stop a criminal suspect and frisking everyone on the street, I guess I don't want

00:53:36.500 no one to be able to be searched.

00:53:37.860 The issue that arises is you get activist groups that claim it is racism, white supremacy

00:53:44.840 because too many black people are being stopped.

00:53:47.140 Yeah, well, that's the thing.

00:53:48.160 Stop and Frisk specifically was shown to be extra discriminatory, especially because

00:53:52.120 the majority of the people they were stopping and frisking weren't committing crimes, so

00:53:55.680 it was just harassing kind of people, versus what you just talked about, which is, hey,

00:53:59.660 five people just committed a crime, this kind of black person meets the description, and

00:54:03.660 then they go stop people.

00:54:04.540 I think these are very different situations.

00:54:06.040 Certainly.

00:54:06.640 And the political climate is such that in our neighborhood, the aldermen, the mayor, the

00:54:12.900 police, they were like, I am not going to be the person who has to run for office

00:54:17.100 and explain why we're stopping young black girls.

00:54:19.640 I'm not getting involved in that.

00:54:21.060 I don't want to be a racist.

00:54:22.560 That might be, yeah, that is an indication of, I would say, over-progressive, you know,

00:54:26.020 correction for a problem.

00:54:26.720 That's what we're arguing against.

00:54:28.060 Right, but okay, here's the thing.

00:54:29.280 Or always what I am.

00:54:29.660 If you say toxic masculinity is an overcorrection for, like, you know, the patriarchy of men

00:54:36.860 ruling for so long, or women being discriminated against, like, yeah, I can see places where

00:54:41.300 that has gone too far, where it's like, oh, men are evil, kill all men.

00:54:44.240 You see there's, like, super radical feminists.

00:54:45.600 But, like, this isn't a majority of that movement.

00:54:47.660 And I think that the concept of calling out something like a toxic masculine person shouldn't

00:54:51.880 be alienating to someone who, like, I don't know, I think I embody a lot of traditional

00:54:55.040 Catholic, not Catholic, traditional masculine traits, except for the beard, and this hasn't

00:55:00.020 forced me out of wanting these progressive policies.

00:55:03.000 That's all I'm saying.

00:55:04.400 Again, that's the problem here, is, like, we were talking about education and crime, and

00:55:08.380 on the one hand, it may just be an experience in a college classroom where some kid says

00:55:12.360 something silly, and everyone's like, okay, dude, whatever.

00:55:14.880 But these kinds of people are those who grow up to end up being district attorneys, who simply

00:55:18.700 refuse to prosecute crimes, and who are installed by wealthy progressives who are radical.

00:55:22.580 And that's pretty much the story in almost every major city in the country, and you can

00:55:26.620 hear these anecdotes about, like, women robbed at gunpoint on video, and the crime doesn't

00:55:31.140 get prosecuted for whatever reason.

00:55:32.640 Well, I got a question.

00:55:33.400 It literally happened to my mom in Detroit.

00:55:34.800 They had this guy dead to rights, on camera, robbed her at gunpoint, and then got into a

00:55:39.000 luxury sedan, which was crazy, because I was always told that these people were impoverished.

00:55:42.600 And then he was identified, actually, on the television, local news, by his parole officer.

00:55:47.080 They bring the guy in, they've got him, and then some person just didn't submit some

00:55:50.840 document in enough time, and so unfortunately, they couldn't get this guy.

00:55:54.320 He ended up getting arrested two years later, because he sexually assaulted a minor with

00:55:58.980 a gun, and then now he's in prison for, like, decades.

00:56:02.040 But then my mom had lunch with some woman who lives, you know, in one of the suburbs that

00:56:05.680 these people flee to, because they're just so crazy making this stuff up about what happens

00:56:08.680 in minority neighborhoods.

00:56:10.040 And she was like, yeah, that's the story.

00:56:11.280 If anything happens to you in Detroit, they just won't prosecute if the victim is white.

00:56:14.360 That sounds like a whole different issue.

00:56:16.140 It's like a question for this whole debate, be it race or gender or whatever.

00:56:20.040 Is it bad to discriminate against a person based on their immutable characteristics?

00:56:25.200 Depends on how you're doing it, right?

00:56:26.760 So that's a no.

00:56:27.780 It depends on how you're doing it.

00:56:28.840 Well, no, because if you say, if I say it's not bad to discriminate, when people hear

00:56:32.920 discriminate, you think of the historical examples of, like, the 1960s.

00:56:35.420 Let's try this again.

00:56:36.180 But we discriminate all the time for various things.

00:56:38.180 Are there any acceptable circumstances where it is okay to discriminate on the basis of immutable

00:56:43.040 characteristics?

00:56:43.800 Yeah, 100%.

00:56:44.480 Doctors do it all the time.

00:56:46.180 Okay.

00:56:46.700 Yeah, if I say, hey, I, you know, have a gynecologist, and the gynecologist is like,

00:56:52.140 I'm an expert in looking at vaginas, and it's like, okay, I'm discriminating.

00:56:56.240 All my patients are people with vaginas.

00:56:57.760 That's an immutable characteristic.

00:56:59.300 That's what discrimination is.

00:57:00.800 The problem is discrimination is a dirty word, which is why, like—

00:57:03.240 It's actually illegal.

00:57:04.420 To say a gynecologist can only inspect vaginas?

00:57:08.880 So if a trans woman went to a gynecologist and was denied service,

00:57:13.040 trans women with a vagina?

00:57:14.920 Well, they don't have vaginas.

00:57:16.320 Well, yeah, but it was like a plastic, like, petite one, or like—

00:57:18.960 But that's still not a vagina.

00:57:20.280 Well, whatever it is, like, if the gynecologist is able to assess the medical needs of that,

00:57:24.500 then I think they should also do that.

00:57:26.440 The issue where we're going with the Civil Rights Act is that one of the arguments we've

00:57:31.420 seen from LGBTQ groups is the end of gender segregation, much like we saw the end of racial

00:57:35.900 segregation.

00:57:36.700 The argument they've been making for some time now is that we used to have white and black

00:57:41.620 bathrooms, or I think it was white and colored, because colored could be not just—

00:57:45.500 Latino, or yeah.

00:57:45.960 It could be any kind of mixed race or anything.

00:57:48.240 And so the argument made by trans rights activists is that gender segregation, under

00:57:53.440 the exact same law that banned racial segregation, there should be no men's and women's rooms.

00:57:59.460 Okay, wait, but take a step back.

00:58:01.320 If you are against that, then you're for discrimination against an immutable characteristic,

00:58:06.000 which is what I was saying, is like, yeah, that's—

00:58:08.720 Yeah, I'm in favor of that.

00:58:09.460 Right, right, right.

00:58:09.780 That's all I'm saying is, like, yeah, the phrase, I'm in favor of discrimination means

00:58:13.740 so many things, and people are going to attach the, oh, so you want to be racist and not,

00:58:18.320 hey, like, certain things are immutable and you—

00:58:20.120 Yeah, I wasn't asking about the discrimination as a gotcha or anything.

00:58:24.000 I was asking, like, we're trying to figure out how policy and law should be applied to

00:58:27.760 people.

00:58:28.200 Okay.

00:58:28.920 Where do we all stand on the issue of choosing to discriminate based on immutable characteristics?

00:58:33.560 Just the reason being, the law says you cannot.

00:58:35.900 Well, it totally depends on the context.

00:58:37.560 No, no, no, no.

00:58:37.940 The law literally says you cannot.

00:58:39.560 No, no, no, no.

00:58:40.100 Okay, look.

00:58:40.760 The 1964 Civil Rights Act—

00:58:42.680 Sure.

00:58:42.980 And for years after that, we had affirmative action, which is discriminative on, like,

00:58:47.020 you know, positive or negative discrimination based on an immutable characteristic, and you

00:58:50.500 can be for or against that, but that was not illegal until the Supreme Court ruled on

00:58:54.400 it recently, right?

00:58:55.260 So—

00:58:55.740 But the 1964 Civil Rights Act bars the discrimination based on race, sex, national origin, religion.

00:59:02.600 Discrimination, that word means so many more things than just, I am not allowing someone

00:59:07.060 to do something because of their race, gender.

00:59:08.940 Discrimination is something that you're, like, I am distinguishing someone based on

00:59:12.100 something, right?

00:59:12.720 That could be a positive discrimination.

00:59:14.020 That could be a negative discrimination.

00:59:15.380 Like, if I—again, this is an example.

00:59:17.000 If you want to hire a black person for a role to play a black person in a movie, that is positive

00:59:21.520 discrimination.

00:59:22.180 I am saying, hey, everyone who's not black, you can't be here, but that's totally legal,

00:59:25.500 right?

00:59:25.700 That's not part of it.

00:59:26.260 Well, that's actually—I do see what you're saying.

00:59:29.340 I think legally, that is excluded from discrimination.

00:59:32.600 Sure, but it is discrimination.

00:59:34.140 That's what I'm saying.

00:59:34.660 Maybe the word legally means something else, but discrimination just means I'm literally

00:59:38.140 discriminating.

00:59:39.220 I understand what you're saying.

00:59:40.640 For the purpose of what we're talking about in—like, if someone said, I'm going to hire

00:59:44.600 a bartender, and then a white guy came and said, you get out of here, like, we would

00:59:47.680 say that's just racially discriminatory.

00:59:49.020 It's racial discrimination, yeah, based on race, right.

00:59:50.680 So I agree with you on the distinct semantics of the term.

00:59:53.600 Yeah.

00:59:54.080 I do not think that if a movie studio said, we have a character, he's a black man, and

00:59:59.780 then a white guy shot up and be like, you don't fit—that's not discrimination.

01:00:02.300 That is—yeah.

01:00:03.640 Maybe colloquially, people would say, well, that makes sense, but that is literally racial

01:00:06.900 discrimination.

01:00:07.620 The role discriminated.

01:00:09.300 The choice of actor did not—

01:00:10.860 You're saying you're white, so you can't do this role, which is to play a black guy.

01:00:14.480 That's racial discrimination.

01:00:15.640 My point being, the creation of the role was the creation of the discrimination.

01:00:19.800 Sure, and that is also—

01:00:20.620 Not the choice of actor.

01:00:21.200 That specific kind of discrimination is okay, which is why I was hesitant to say, of course

01:00:24.900 there are discriminations that are okay.

01:00:27.160 It's a very wide spectrum.

01:00:29.280 Yeah.

01:00:29.940 I think we also have a big challenge.

01:00:33.320 You know, so, like, here's a question for you guys.

01:00:36.480 If one racial group is committing more violent crimes than another, then is it—should police

01:00:42.780 use that as a determinant factor in whether or not they would find someone suspicious?

01:00:49.080 No, I don't think so.

01:00:50.180 I don't even think that you would need to take it that far.

01:00:52.280 If police were simply allowed to do their jobs how any reasonable person would want them

01:00:55.640 to, then we would see less crime and we would see more people in jail.

01:00:59.060 The problem is, less crime might be acceptable, but more people in jail makes a lot of people

01:01:03.240 very uncomfortable—activist groups, media organizations, things of that nature.

01:01:06.840 So that's why you have, like, predictive policing is very controversial, because AI will look

01:01:10.720 at neighborhoods where crime is more likely to take place, finds out these neighborhoods

01:01:14.100 maybe have a higher representation of minorities, and they say, well, we should probably police

01:01:17.560 these neighborhoods a little bit more.

01:01:18.720 That has nothing to do with the fact that the AI is, you know, programmed to be wearing

01:01:22.460 a Klan hood.

01:01:23.320 That existed before AI, too, right?

01:01:24.760 Like, these neighborhoods are already policed more because of the crime that is there,

01:01:28.460 right?

01:01:28.560 Exactly, which should happen.

01:01:29.580 Well, the problem is, one, you've got to look at, like, all right, which crimes are actually

01:01:33.340 being followed up on?

01:01:34.360 Like, there's plenty of white-collar crime that no one ever does.

01:01:36.660 And if you look at, like, drug usage, right, even not white-collar crime, it's pretty similar

01:01:40.260 between races, but they do go into the communities where it's more of, like, a perceived problem

01:01:44.640 there, and that might play into arrest statistics, that might play into incarcerations.

01:01:48.620 Yeah, obviously, they should go where the crime is.

01:01:50.600 I think the problem is you're assuming that all the arrest data is this, like, infallible,

01:01:55.780 like, oh, yeah, like, they're only arresting the people that are doing the crimes, and not

01:01:58.740 like, there are specific areas that are targeted, and some would say over-policed.

01:02:02.440 I think women shouldn't be allowed to be firefighters.

01:02:04.140 Even if you look at, I think it's the national crime.

01:02:06.840 I'm actually largely kidding.

01:02:08.200 I think the average, so, I mean, in terms of fighting fires, women, it's completely,

01:02:13.660 like, I'm actually joking.

01:02:15.020 My point largely is we have these affirmative action policies that you end up with, like,

01:02:21.420 a 5'5", 120-pound woman as a firefighter, which is just the stupidest thing imaginable.

01:02:26.080 It depends.

01:02:26.360 What's her job, right?

01:02:27.060 Is she the person that has to go in and carry the life?

01:02:28.340 Fighting the fires, I'm saying.

01:02:29.440 Right, right.

01:02:29.940 But, like, firefighting means a lot of things.

01:02:31.900 Are you holding the hose?

01:02:32.860 Are you chopping a doordone?

01:02:33.700 Are you carrying the—

01:02:34.460 It doesn't matter.

01:02:34.840 Well, it does matter.

01:02:35.700 It doesn't.

01:02:36.020 Yeah, yeah, because—

01:02:36.980 At any moment, anyone responding to an emergency is going to have to be able to handle any one

01:02:41.320 of these jobs.

01:02:41.900 If you've got a team of 10 firefighters, and you've got six capable people of carrying

01:02:45.380 a 300-pound obese man out of a thing—

01:02:46.740 And there's seven people.

01:02:47.460 And four of them can't, like, I don't think that means this team is somehow less effective.

01:02:51.320 Like, if these four people can do the jobs that are—

01:02:54.900 Agreed.

01:02:55.220 Fat men shouldn't be allowed to be firefighters, either.

01:02:56.940 No, fat men shouldn't be allowed to be saved, because it discriminates against women.

01:02:59.960 The problem is they lower the qualifications that women are able to—

01:03:02.720 I do think that's the logical conclusion of the left.

01:03:05.780 What?

01:03:06.540 You think actually?

01:03:07.820 If they're choosing to hire 5'5 women to do fire rescue, and there's a morbidly obese

01:03:12.780 man, they're like, women can't carry them.

01:03:14.780 That's his fault for discriminating.

01:03:15.980 I have a few friends that are, like, 5'5 Asian women with no muscles, and they actually

01:03:19.980 do a pretty good job of being EMTs.

01:03:21.620 However, obviously—

01:03:22.520 That's a very different job.

01:03:23.480 Well, yes, but they do have to carry very fat people is what I'm saying.

01:03:26.300 And what I'm saying is, look, if you have a team of firefighters, and one of them is

01:03:29.820 not capable of lifting the 300-pound man up, if you could show me that this was less

01:03:33.620 effective overall, like, this is causing all these fat people to burn to death because,

01:03:37.120 hey, this person can't carry them.

01:03:38.380 Sure, okay.

01:03:39.080 But it seems like there's a team of people.

01:03:40.700 They all have different responsibilities.

01:03:42.120 There's enough people that can do that heavy lifting thing.

01:03:44.480 And I don't think they should lower the requirements for people if everyone is actually legally

01:03:49.860 required to be able to do that.

01:03:51.060 But if it's like, hey, you're carrying the hose, or hey, like, you're getting the ladder

01:03:53.860 up, like, who cares?

01:03:55.220 So the issue tends to be, and the reason I bring it up, is that what happens is the

01:03:59.660 progressives will look at the outcome and then determine the system is sexist.

01:04:04.060 So they'll say, hey, hey, hold on.

01:04:06.260 How come only 7% of the fire department in this city is female?

01:04:10.420 They're clearly discriminating for some reason.

01:04:12.320 They then look through it, and they say the discrimination comes from the job requirements,

01:04:16.320 which is you've got to carry a 150-pound duffel bag over your shoulder through a simulated

01:04:20.660 burning building, and women tend not to be able to do that.

01:04:23.060 So we have to change the threshold so that it's fair for all people.

01:04:26.080 If that's what they're doing, I would disagree with that.

01:04:27.860 I mean, like, yeah, it's like the Navy SEALs example always brings up, where it's like,

01:04:31.640 why are there no women Navy SEALs?

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01:06:21.140 You can't fucking pass the test.

01:06:23.300 Most men can't pass that test.

01:06:24.740 They shouldn't be Navy SEALs.

01:06:25.600 You shouldn't lower the requirement for some arbitrary equality of outcome thing.

01:06:29.600 But if it's, hey, these women on this job as firefighters can do these jobs that they're

01:06:34.680 allocated to and this doesn't affect the performance, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

01:06:37.640 I think the requirement to be a firefighter should be the first test.

01:06:40.720 You've got to open a pickle jar.

01:06:42.280 Do you have one?

01:06:42.720 You walk in and then they're like, you're applying for a job.

01:06:44.720 Here's one pickle jar.

01:06:45.460 And if you can't open it, get out.

01:06:46.660 Yeah, that's the problem.

01:06:47.940 I agree.

01:06:48.440 And I think any firefighter would agree, too.

01:06:50.000 If like, you know, you're all there, you're a unit doing jobs.

01:06:52.300 I don't care if this woman maybe doesn't like bench what I bench, but they do lower the

01:06:56.120 requirements, whether it's for firefighters, police officers.

01:06:58.300 You have one requirement for the men, one requirement for the women taking into account

01:07:01.660 things like lower strength levels, lower endurance levels, perhaps.

01:07:05.400 And, you know, if I were really sexist, I would say, I don't know if women even have the

01:07:08.480 temperament to do these jobs.

01:07:09.880 And maybe I would want to discriminate on that.

01:07:11.260 But like, I'm more of an open minded guy than that.

01:07:13.360 But you have to be not emotional to stop a fire.

01:07:17.080 I think in situations of high stress, there is a sort of consideration that maybe you

01:07:20.720 wouldn't want.

01:07:21.080 I mean, I've seen a lot of videos, for example, of women making arrests and they panic and

01:07:25.320 they pull a taser and shoot a guy and they go out of videos of guys doing that, too.

01:07:28.480 And they're like, oh, my God, a black guy.

01:07:29.840 And they just unload a mag into him.

01:07:31.400 And it's like not what happens.

01:07:32.860 I've seen it happen.

01:07:33.820 I think there's a lot of like women are like less temperamental is like, I don't know.

01:07:37.460 We just saw like the two most powerful men in the world have a bitch fit on like the

01:07:40.600 Internet yesterday.

01:07:41.240 Like, I don't know.

01:07:41.980 Again, you're comparing a situation where lives are on the line versus like two guys

01:07:45.500 who are just like having a Twitter fight or whatever.

01:07:47.440 The big, beautiful bill.

01:07:49.500 Lives are on the line, I will say.

01:07:51.100 OK, so we don't have to deviate from that.

01:07:52.300 The point being to achieve this outcome where we can have like an inclusive firefighting

01:07:55.860 department or something does, as we see, require actually lowering those standards, which

01:07:59.440 if people want fires to be fought properly, we can't have.

01:08:01.860 And so this has happened, right?

01:08:03.300 Like you're saying they've already lowered the standards.

01:08:05.060 Is there some phenomenon of like fires not getting put out the way they should be because

01:08:08.520 of this?

01:08:08.840 Like I I've never heard of that, if that's the case.

01:08:11.300 You know, I spent some time at a fire station.

01:08:12.940 Actually, my buddy's that's not what I asked about your time.

01:08:15.520 Well, what he's talking about is like this instance of where people just seem to be taking

01:08:19.700 the job less seriously.

01:08:20.940 Standards are being lowered.

01:08:21.780 You have more accidents, things like that occurring.

01:08:23.800 Guys are getting hurt.

01:08:24.580 And I don't expect the media to necessarily pick up this story because it would be incompatible

01:08:28.340 with this idea of, you know, inclusivity.

01:08:30.160 But they just like lie.

01:08:30.920 Let's just let's just be real.

01:08:32.260 Like there is a trend of people putting up viral videos of female cops struggling to

01:08:37.160 arrest like teenage guys.

01:08:39.260 Oh, yeah.

01:08:39.860 And they're getting roasted for it.

01:08:41.320 Yeah.

01:08:41.480 If their job is if they're incapable of doing the job because of their physical strength,

01:08:44.980 I don't think they should have that job.

01:08:46.020 And like there are plenty of cops I've seen.

01:08:47.720 They're examples.

01:08:48.700 Right.

01:08:48.920 Those are examples.

01:08:49.780 There are people that are like heavily overwated.

01:08:51.400 People tend not to like film viral fires.

01:08:52.760 You know what I mean?

01:08:53.180 Like, yeah, but if there was this some crazy phenomenon of fires not getting put out and

01:08:56.860 there's like, you know, there'd be a fucking there's lots of videos of fire being put out.

01:09:00.140 I would imagine you'd see one of like, you know, some woman trying to hold the hose and

01:09:03.160 she can't like sprays it out and the house burns down or something.

01:09:05.760 Right.

01:09:05.920 Like this levitating.

01:09:07.060 Yeah.

01:09:07.280 Yeah, exactly.

01:09:07.820 Like that.

01:09:08.320 You would see that happen as well.

01:09:09.740 And like, yeah, if you can't meet the requirements of the job and you can see the detriment to that

01:09:13.220 of like, hey, like a cop, you know, interactions are getting worse because women are so

01:09:18.400 scared and they're just shooting them or something like, you know, like, yeah, I would say you need to

01:09:21.840 stop hiring people that aren't good at their job.

01:09:23.900 The problem is, I don't think this is like a female phenomenon.

01:09:26.680 Because the technology with fighting fires has probably evolved to make it more automated

01:09:31.240 than like with policing.

01:09:32.120 So you can probably have weaker females operating these things and it's fine.

01:09:35.740 Point the hose.

01:09:36.580 But if you've got them policing, they're an autonomous body against another autonomous

01:09:39.940 body.

01:09:40.340 It's like, like you say, I mean, you see these videos and they just are simply incapable of

01:09:44.140 executing where even a fat cop is like a guy can use his mask sort of to his advantage.

01:09:49.120 Yeah, but the guy gets away.

01:09:50.380 Yeah, it depends on what, you know, look at these examples of like, okay, this woman

01:09:55.800 freaked out and shot a guy and I'd probably agree like, yeah, she's a bad cop, right?

01:09:59.520 But if you're like, first of all, I come from a nice neighborhood and it's like, okay, can

01:10:03.160 a female cop stop a skateboarder from going into a place he's not supposed to be?

01:10:06.540 Yeah, whatever.

01:10:07.220 Like this is very different from, what do you mean?

01:10:09.840 Oh, you mean like physically if like three teenage boys could probably overpower.

01:10:12.900 As a skateboarder who has hopped many a fence, ain't no way lady cop stopping me.

01:10:17.040 Sure, but like this is not going to turn into a physical interaction.

01:10:19.280 This is going to be like, oh shit, the cops, like, let's get out of here, right?

01:10:22.460 Like they're just enforcing that.

01:10:24.300 So I have stories from my friends where they were like on a rooftop and when the cops pulled

01:10:28.540 up because it was a company, they ran to the side of the building and jumped 10 feet to

01:10:32.400 a telephone pole and climbed down and ran away.

01:10:34.560 Okay, right.

01:10:35.020 But that would work against a fat cop or a guy cop who couldn't catch up with you either.

01:10:38.120 My point is that if you're doing low stakes crime stuff that's not involving a bunch of

01:10:41.840 physical altercations, this isn't some reason to bar women from ever being cops.

01:10:46.200 It depends on what the job is and I 100% agree if she can't do the job, like in these videos,

01:10:50.460 then she shouldn't be a cop.

01:10:51.320 That goes for everyone, not just a woman.

01:10:53.760 There's a couple ways that people look at the political landscape.

01:10:56.900 There's revolutionaries, there's moderates, reformers, there's accelerationists.

01:11:03.160 I don't like the word accelerationist.

01:11:04.900 There's got to be a word for where you just want to sit back and watch as liberals politically

01:11:10.840 immolate themselves and just like roll with it.

01:11:13.580 Conservatives don't like this because of their moral framework.

01:11:16.940 They're like, it is bad that liberals enact things and do things that are detrimental.

01:11:21.320 But as someone like me who like, I actually am more of a liberal guy, I can just look at

01:11:25.560 liberals and be like, yeah, that's going to destroy your way of life and your society.

01:11:30.160 But I quite frankly don't care because you'll cease to exist in 20 years anyway.

01:11:33.840 So what kind of liberal are you?

01:11:35.720 You know, like in the Civil War movies, like what kind of American are you?

01:11:38.020 What kind of liberal would you say?

01:11:40.680 What is that?

01:11:41.460 It's a reference.

01:11:42.420 My vibe from watching what I have, and I'll grant you this, I don't watch a lot of your

01:11:45.760 show.

01:11:46.020 I watch pieces and I probably watch a lot of clips that are out of context.

01:11:48.620 But like, it really seems like you mostly align with like right wing stuff, even if you're

01:11:52.460 right wing, like you voted for Trump in 2020, right?

01:11:56.060 So what does the vote of a person mean for your policies, your politics, and your...

01:12:00.720 Well, that you agree with the policies.

01:12:01.500 Is Tulsi Gabbard a liberal or conservative?

01:12:03.320 Right now she's conservative.

01:12:04.520 She used to be insofar as...

01:12:06.160 Hold on, let's talk about Tulsi Gabbard, right?

01:12:08.780 Like, she had a very big right wing shift.

01:12:10.960 She was someone who was, what was it, in 2017, she was fossil fuels, right?

01:12:14.920 She was like a green person, like she was like more environmentalism.

01:12:17.900 Now she's with a party that's promoting fossil fuels that doesn't do these green, like, you

01:12:21.300 know, initiatives.

01:12:22.120 So she is moved to the right.

01:12:23.640 It's not as if the left shifted around her.

01:12:25.900 But that's a question of fact, right?

01:12:28.500 Right.

01:12:28.800 She is more right wing now.

01:12:30.340 What I'm saying is, like, you're asking about someone advocating for a fuel source.

01:12:36.140 Right.

01:12:36.700 So right, is your argument that right and left don't define political philosophies?

01:12:42.560 A left wing person is more likely to support some sort of clean energy act.

01:12:46.520 Tulsi Gabbard used to do that.

01:12:47.720 She's no longer doing that.

01:12:48.760 That is a shift to the right.

01:12:50.020 Right.

01:12:50.320 So the question I'm asking you is you define left and right not based on...

01:12:54.340 Based on policies.

01:12:54.940 It's not based on philosophies.

01:12:57.740 It's based on fact, like worldview.

01:13:00.460 Based on the policies that they support.

01:13:03.060 Is RFK Jr. a liberal?

01:13:04.540 I think he was kind of like a crackpot, slightly environmentalist person, but he's never been

01:13:09.760 like a prominent liberal Democrat.

01:13:11.480 And now he's supporting the anti-vax crowd, I guess.

01:13:14.580 So I guess my question is, I'm trying to ask you, like, when, when, like, how do you define

01:13:18.200 liberal and conservative?

01:13:19.100 Yeah, based on the policies.

01:13:20.200 So like progressive taxes, environmentalism, like, well, that's why I'm asking you.

01:13:23.820 Like, I think you, if you vote for Trump, like, what policies of his do you support that

01:13:28.520 are liberal policies?

01:13:30.920 Getting rid of waste, fraud, and abuse.

01:13:32.420 No new wars.

01:13:33.820 Those aren't liberal policies.

01:13:35.280 Getting rid of waste, fraud, and abuse.

01:13:36.000 What do you mean?

01:13:36.320 Bill Clinton led the charge on waste, fraud, and abuse.

01:13:38.280 Saying that we should make something better is not the same as, hey, let's cut the entirety

01:13:41.680 of the education department and the USA.

01:13:44.380 Is Bill Clinton a liberal?

01:13:45.260 Bill Clinton is a liberal, but he would not do what I just described, which is what Trump

01:13:48.900 is doing.

01:13:49.420 So like, this isn't the same thing.

01:13:51.000 Getting rid of waste, fraud, and abuse.

01:13:52.400 You can say vaguely, I think we should make things more efficient.

01:13:55.020 Probably everyone would agree with that.

01:13:56.300 But when you see what it's borne out in the Trump administration, that's very different

01:13:59.160 from what Bill Clinton did.

01:14:00.100 Like, these are not the same things at all.

01:14:01.120 He did a lot more, yeah.

01:14:02.300 No, he didn't do a lot more.

01:14:03.700 You can say he made things more efficient, but this is not the same thing as, I cut the

01:14:07.100 entire department of education.

01:14:08.440 I'm cutting USAID.

01:14:09.320 These aren't the same thing.

01:14:10.800 You can't umbrella these as, oh, this is the same kind of policy.

01:14:14.360 Especially when the policy is so vague as, I'm making something more efficient.

01:14:17.340 So, traditional liberal, not classical liberal.

01:14:21.540 Classical liberal is like Locke and, you know, they're more like libertarians.

01:14:25.100 Traditional liberal as a political term tends to describe the Democrat view from the 90s,

01:14:29.020 which was abortion, pro-choice, safe, legal, rare, secure borders, no illegal immigration,

01:14:34.860 workers' rights, workers' protections, and cutting the size of government.

01:14:37.780 When you say no illegal immigration, like, what do you mean?

01:14:39.760 Like, let's pick some of these.

01:14:40.940 Like, in the 1980s, right, like, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, H.W. Bush, I think, are

01:14:46.060 arguing about, like, illegal immigration.

01:14:48.580 I think the question at this town hall for this, or this debate was like, hey, what do

01:14:52.060 we do for the kids of illegal immigrants?

01:14:53.460 You can look up this video.

01:14:54.260 And it's like, they're kind of almost, like, out-liberaling each other.

01:14:56.560 One says, like, look, I don't like the idea of illegal aliens in my country, but these

01:15:00.300 kids are here, and I don't want to deprive them of this education.

01:15:02.800 I don't want them to be seen as criminals.

01:15:04.020 Like, this is the Republican Party in the 80s saying, I support at least, like, you know.

01:15:08.260 The Republican Party up to, like, 2015 was for open borders.

01:15:11.900 Not open borders.

01:15:13.100 That's a very different thing.

01:15:14.020 These people are like, we need to secure our borders, and we need to do something for

01:15:16.420 these illegal people here, but I don't want to, like, you know, get rid of them.

01:15:19.960 Okay, the point being, I'm not talking about the 80s.

01:15:22.780 I said traditional liberal.

01:15:23.820 Right, but this is Republicans past the 90s, and you're saying you're a Democrat from the

01:15:27.500 90s.

01:15:28.000 The Democrats were more liberal than the Republicans were in the 80s, but you're not there.

01:15:32.120 You're voting for the guy who says mass deportation now.

01:15:34.500 In 2008, Hillary Clinton called for a border wall.

01:15:36.900 Okay.

01:15:38.180 I'm not talking about the 80s.

01:15:39.400 Having a border wall is very different from, hey, let's deport every single immigrant.

01:15:43.160 Barack Obama was called the deporter-in-chief.

01:15:45.220 Yes, and he also did DACA.

01:15:46.660 Like, do you support DACA?

01:15:47.780 No.

01:15:48.340 Why not?

01:15:49.080 Because you're an illegal immigrant, and you're not violent.

01:15:52.580 So you don't support Democrats from 20 years ago?

01:15:55.200 No, I think it's like, the idea that you would support literally everything everyone

01:15:59.060 does all the time is a weird cultist mentality.

01:16:01.060 No, sure.

01:16:01.440 I'm not asking you to do that.

01:16:02.400 I'm saying your politics align with Trump today, because Trump is a right-winger.

01:16:06.920 He's not a liberal.

01:16:08.700 So Trump was called a moderate when he first ran.

01:16:11.560 Okay.

01:16:12.440 He is politically moderate to this day.

01:16:14.640 In what way?

01:16:15.400 Well, he got a lot of flack from-

01:16:17.040 What is politically moderate about mass deportations?

01:16:18.880 What is politically moderate about, like-

01:16:20.220 Look at what other regimes have done to illegal aliens throughout history.

01:16:22.640 We're talking about America today.

01:16:23.640 Like, Barack Obama was the deporter-in-chief.

01:16:25.920 He's not-

01:16:26.280 In fact, liberals right now-

01:16:27.360 He did not advocate for mass deportations of every single illegal in the country.

01:16:30.860 That's just not what it's policy.

01:16:31.000 And liberals right now are bragging about how Joe Biden deported more than Donald Trump

01:16:35.240 is.

01:16:35.560 He did DACA.

01:16:36.300 This is completely different from-

01:16:37.420 Did Joe Biden deport more than Donald Trump?

01:16:38.420 Probably, yeah.

01:16:39.060 If you look at the statistics.

01:16:40.080 Okay.

01:16:40.280 Well, first of all, in the first six months, his idea is the platform that he ran on that

01:16:45.260 you voted for.

01:16:45.860 Did you vote in 2024 for Trump as well?

01:16:47.520 Yes, for Trump.

01:16:48.060 He was, hey, let's get rid of every single illegal immigrant.

01:16:50.500 That is not Obama's policy.

01:16:51.620 That's not Joe Biden's policy.

01:16:53.300 That's not liberalism from the 90s.

01:16:54.960 It's not liberalism from the 2000s.

01:16:57.140 You're isolating a single point and saying that hereby determines-

01:17:00.260 Okay, well, let's move on to another point that calls you a liberal.

01:17:02.580 This is why I say the left is cult.

01:17:03.120 This is a cult.

01:17:04.080 It's like-

01:17:04.500 Well, I'm just asking, what makes you a liberal?

01:17:06.900 I'm pro-choice.

01:17:07.780 I'm pro-progressive tax.

01:17:08.700 Well, then you voted for Trump, who's trying to get rid of abortion everywhere.

01:17:11.320 Like, J.D. Vance said, I want to make it illegal nationwide, right?

01:17:15.320 And Donald Trump got tremendous flack from the pro-life side, who were saying Trump is

01:17:19.460 not pro-life.

01:17:20.220 In 2016, sure.

01:17:21.440 No, in 2024.

01:17:22.780 They said he's not pro-life enough?

01:17:24.180 Yes.

01:17:24.620 And they were saying, don't vote for him.

01:17:26.160 Okay, and now the party that you voted for is attempting to-

01:17:29.000 Well, okay, John, do you want abortion to be legal, like, across the whole country?

01:17:32.160 Yeah.

01:17:32.400 I think it's a majority of the Republican Party is majority for illegal in all cases.

01:17:37.100 That's not true, actually.

01:17:37.880 You ever hear of a moderate?

01:17:39.900 I know what a moderate is.

01:17:41.420 I'm saying that you're voting for the party that wants to illegal-

01:17:43.620 So what?

01:17:44.400 Well, because that's not a liberal position.

01:17:46.100 You're voting for the people that want to get rid of abortion.

01:17:48.020 Voting is not a political philosophy.

01:17:50.520 It's who you choose to best represent your views.

01:17:52.360 If you vote for Trump and then called yourself a progressive, I'd be like, in what way?

01:17:55.920 And then you say, well, my views are all this, but I'm voting for the party, which

01:17:59.340 will materially make all these things the opposite of what I want.

01:18:02.400 How are you a progressive?

01:18:03.220 Because my biggest priority is probably anti-intervention.

01:18:07.440 Okay.

01:18:09.040 I'm going to say it again.

01:18:09.840 Y'all are a cult.

01:18:10.680 What was cult issue about what I just said?

01:18:12.340 Like, you can't-

01:18:13.660 So I'm a reformer, not a revolutionary.

01:18:15.240 And I say this all the time because the left is a cult.

01:18:17.240 Okay.

01:18:17.440 That means Trump does bad things, and I go, yeah, well, you know, like, I'm going to win

01:18:21.360 here, here, here, and here, and I'm a reformer, and I want those reforms more than I care about

01:18:24.860 other things.

01:18:25.340 Okay.

01:18:25.740 That tends to be the average voter, largely in economics and immigration.

01:18:29.320 The left is like, but how could you possibly vote for Trump if one thing is bad?

01:18:32.860 Well, it's not one thing.

01:18:33.700 I'm asking which liberal policy has Trump implemented that is aligned with your-

01:18:37.540 Anti-intervention.

01:18:38.180 ...ism.

01:18:38.900 Okay, so-

01:18:39.620 So the neocons my whole life were pro-intervention and pro-war.

01:18:42.000 Yeah, Iraq war and all that.

01:18:42.560 And I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but he didn't start any wars, and he's a timeline

01:18:45.780 for withdrawal from-

01:18:46.680 Escalated the drone strikes from Obama and changed the reporting-

01:18:49.320 During a withdrawal, indeed.

01:18:51.080 Right.

01:18:52.360 The withdrawal of-

01:18:53.000 The reason why Donald Trump escalated drone strikes was because we were pulling troops

01:18:56.540 out of the Middle East.

01:18:57.200 Sure, but he killed more people in that area with drones and changed the reporting-

01:19:01.220 And changed the reporting-

01:19:01.920 Okay, are you anti-interventionalist because you are afraid of, like, the death and the destruction?

01:19:06.740 Or are you just like, oh, we shouldn't be located here?

01:19:09.540 Donald-

01:19:09.800 Like, I can be in America and I can send missiles into another country.

01:19:12.620 Donald Trump's policies in his first term, extending even to now, have been the gradual

01:19:18.540 rescinding of U.S. military might in foreign entanglements.

01:19:23.340 I'd say mostly that checks out.

01:19:25.660 And that was the liberal position for 30 years of my entire life and every protest I ever attended,

01:19:31.520 and now the Democrats are pro-war.

01:19:33.780 Pro-war?

01:19:34.640 Oh, come on.

01:19:35.260 How much do you want to give Ukraine?

01:19:36.660 That's not pro-war.

01:19:37.820 Do you want to give Ukraine-

01:19:38.280 Hold on.

01:19:38.860 Let me get an example.

01:19:39.420 If I am-

01:19:40.300 I'm not, like, a pacifist, but I never in my life hope to ever kill anyone.

01:19:44.260 However, if someone breaks into my house, I'll blow them away, right?

01:19:46.760 If I'm not sure why they're there.

01:19:47.240 If someone invades the United States, I will join the military in two seconds.

01:19:49.620 Exactly, right?

01:19:50.060 So, like, it's not pro-war to say, hey, we don't want new wars to start.

01:19:53.380 However, if Russia invades Ukraine, then we should give them, like, money or weapons to

01:19:57.880 stop that from happening.

01:19:58.860 That's, like, a defensive-

01:19:59.860 Pro-war.

01:20:00.540 Why is that pro-war?

01:20:01.680 Because-

01:20:02.080 Because-

01:20:02.200 The war didn't get started.

01:20:02.880 It's not like America's, like, go commit war.

01:20:04.740 Here, I love this.

01:20:05.460 Let's try this.

01:20:05.980 Gentlemen, a foreign nation 12,000 miles away has invaded one of their bordering neighbor

01:20:11.540 states of 29 million people.

01:20:13.080 We need to send special forces, military training, attack them's missiles.

01:20:17.100 We need to provide intelligence.

01:20:18.320 We need to sink the flagship of their Black Sea fleet and make sure they win this war.

01:20:21.920 And we're going to make sure American PMCs are on the ground aiding them.

01:20:25.660 And I'm like, y'all are pro-war.

01:20:27.840 Why is that pro-war if we want to help an ally when the war was started by-

01:20:32.520 Ukraine's not an ally.

01:20:33.300 They're not an ally of ours.

01:20:34.240 No way.

01:20:34.760 They've never been a formal ally of NATO or the United States.

01:20:38.040 Yeah, so they're not in NATO.

01:20:39.140 That doesn't mean we don't support their common goals.

01:20:41.300 That doesn't-

01:20:41.740 Let me ask a question.

01:20:42.520 Like, officially we scribed it, like, on this.

01:20:44.560 What should we do if a nation we are not aligned with bombs our energy distribution lines?

01:20:51.280 Are you talking about the Nord Stream Pipeline stuff?

01:20:53.000 I'm asking you a basic question.

01:20:54.420 If an enemy of- or a friendly nation does that?

01:20:56.420 I didn't say friendly nation.

01:20:57.400 If an enemy nation does it.

01:20:58.440 I didn't say enemy nation.

01:20:59.340 If just a nation did that.

01:21:00.580 If a nation bombed one of our distribution systems for our allies' energy, what should

01:21:05.640 we do?

01:21:06.260 It depends on why they did it.

01:21:07.960 Because if you're talking about-

01:21:08.640 To cut off our access to energy.

01:21:09.940 Yeah, so, like, the idea of this concept of, like, I think the theory is that Ukraine

01:21:14.240 did it to escalate our tensions with Russia so that we would support them more.

01:21:18.440 Like, that's the theory behind that, right?

01:21:20.420 Like, and we should-

01:21:21.100 If that's the case, that, yeah.

01:21:22.380 I asked you a question about if a nation-

01:21:24.620 We both know what we're talking about, right?

01:21:25.780 Indeed.

01:21:25.900 To answer the question, and then we'll carry on.

01:21:27.640 Yeah.

01:21:27.900 If the case is that they did that, if that's what ended up happening, it's like, oh, okay,

01:21:31.400 like, this country tried to sabotage us to make us do something.

01:21:34.980 That's probably a bad thing we should punish.

01:21:36.060 And that's what Germany is accusing Ukraine of doing.

01:21:38.480 Germany is accusing Ukraine of the Nord Stream thing, right?

01:21:40.440 Germany has issued an arrest warrant for one Ukrainian who they said was accompanied by two other

01:21:46.460 Ukrainians to bomb the Nord Stream pipeline for the purpose of cutting off NATO access to

01:21:50.980 energy so that Russia would stop getting the resources from Europe, which benefits them.

01:21:56.960 I don't want to say the singular source funds the war, but it provides them with resources

01:21:59.940 in war.

01:22:00.460 So Ukraine attacked a NATO ally because they were trying to cause harm to Russia.

01:22:05.460 I don't know if we know this is fact, and this is-

01:22:07.340 That's fine.

01:22:08.000 You know what?

01:22:08.500 I don't care.

01:22:09.400 I care.

01:22:09.860 Our ally asserted it, and we should be aligned with NATO, not Ukraine.

01:22:13.620 If Germany asked us, hey, can you-

01:22:16.200 First of all, Germany supports Ukraine.

01:22:17.400 But if Germany said, hey, can you punish them for this, then I think that maybe we should

01:22:20.500 listen to Germany if they did that.

01:22:21.960 The idea that we should pull out of Ukraine because of this thing-

01:22:25.960 Now you're pro-war, dude.

01:22:26.860 How is this pro-war?

01:22:28.120 We should not be involved in some other country's war.

01:22:30.780 Why not?

01:22:30.960 They're not an ally of ours.

01:22:32.200 But they literally are an ally of ours.

01:22:33.400 No, they are not.

01:22:34.220 That's fake news.

01:22:35.460 They literally, we helped them sign the agreement to give up their nuclear bombs-

01:22:39.500 That's a memorandum, not an alliance treaty.

01:22:41.760 Yeah, I didn't-

01:22:42.280 Just because you legally didn't write the word ally down doesn't make it that, hey, we did

01:22:46.400 not promise a security guarantee for you, right?

01:22:48.700 A formal treaty alliance we do not have with Ukraine.

01:22:50.480 Are you saying that if we make a promise to a country-

01:22:52.720 You're pro-war.

01:22:53.200 You're pro-war.

01:22:53.840 Bro, you are in favor of foreign war and our involvement in it.

01:22:58.420 Yes or no?

01:22:58.820 I am in favor of defending a country that was attacked by another country if that country

01:23:03.080 had security guarantees.

01:23:04.660 Well, I know you're not.

01:23:05.260 You're pro-war.

01:23:06.140 Why is that pro-war?

01:23:07.300 You want, do you think the US should be involved in Ukraine's war?

01:23:10.400 Yes.

01:23:10.860 Okay.

01:23:11.220 We gave them security guarantees.

01:23:12.980 Do you think, wait, hold on, hold on.

01:23:14.640 Let's talk about NATO.

01:23:15.600 If Germany gets attacked by Russia tomorrow, do you think we should defend them?

01:23:18.180 Yes.

01:23:18.300 Well, okay.

01:23:19.020 Are you pro-war?

01:23:20.480 If our alliance is attacked by an enemy nation-

01:23:25.600 Yeah, we're going to send American troops, they're all going to get shot by the Russian

01:23:28.120 troops.

01:23:28.580 Is that pro-war?

01:23:29.660 Because that's our guarantee that we will go defend them.

01:23:32.620 It's not.

01:23:34.180 Like, I don't know how y'all can't grasp this.

01:23:36.760 Why is that not pro-war?

01:23:37.480 Ukraine is not an ally of this country.

01:23:40.360 In what context?

01:23:40.680 Nor are we being attacked.

01:23:42.500 And I would also add, I am skeptical a bit on whether we should answer Article 5 for NATO.

01:23:48.160 But the point is like, I'm not pro-war.

01:23:49.620 Depending on what Europe is doing right now.

01:23:51.580 So let's just hammer out the nuances of this.

01:23:54.060 Okay.

01:23:54.240 Five years ago, if Russia bombed Germany, then yes, we should answer the call of NATO.

01:24:00.900 But is that pro-war?

01:24:02.220 No, it's not.

01:24:02.980 Why not?

01:24:03.560 The issue that I'm talking-

01:24:04.320 It's a war that you support to defend our ally.

01:24:07.400 You support intervention.

01:24:09.420 Sure.

01:24:10.060 That is the nuance of the conversation.

01:24:11.980 You guys are cultists.

01:24:13.480 Why is that cultish?

01:24:14.360 Because you can't understand nuance.

01:24:15.920 Can we take a step back?

01:24:16.740 You live in an isolated, one-dimensional reality of-

01:24:19.440 Take a breather.

01:24:19.800 I just want to ask a really simple question.

01:24:21.100 Like, I don't think I'm coming in here with some crazy ideal.

01:24:24.080 You can say I'm wrong.

01:24:24.900 You are.

01:24:25.160 Hold on.

01:24:25.640 You can say I'm wrong.

01:24:27.060 Neocon's election.

01:24:27.660 But when I see a country that we signed an agreement with that said, hey, we'll protect

01:24:32.400 you so you can give up your nukes so that you don't need them for protection.

01:24:35.720 And then they get invaded and we say, hey, we'll help you out.

01:24:37.920 This isn't like some crazy concept in me.

01:24:39.560 Now, if you can explain why that's a bad thing, I understand.

01:24:42.380 But I don't think that makes me pro-war, right?

01:24:44.700 Yes.

01:24:45.560 So when I say pro-war, I'm referring to what a traditional liberal is over the past 30 years,

01:24:51.320 my whole life-

01:24:52.060 Traditional liberals supported aiding people that we made promises to our whole life.

01:24:55.360 Okay.

01:24:55.980 Once again, you are a cult.

01:24:58.140 You can't seem to grasp nuance.

01:25:00.200 Everything's black and white.

01:25:01.480 No.

01:25:01.660 You can't understand that there is interventionary conflict, which I oppose, which had been the

01:25:07.800 liberal position for 30 years.

01:25:09.520 No, that's not.

01:25:09.760 And we should not be intervening in Ukraine's domestic politics and their war.

01:25:14.120 Bill Clinton intervened in Kosovo.

01:25:16.460 Indeed.

01:25:16.640 Was that pro-war?

01:25:17.680 Yes.

01:25:18.120 Why?

01:25:18.720 We should not be intervening in foreign conflicts in foreign countries.

01:25:21.800 So we should have let the Serbians genocide the Albanians.

01:25:24.180 I don't know or care.

01:25:25.400 Why not?

01:25:26.000 It's not United States.

01:25:26.940 You don't care about people dying?

01:25:28.780 I care about people dying when it's in our country and within our purview.

01:25:31.840 Yeah, but if we have someone that we can have some mutual beneficial relationship with

01:25:35.280 and they say, hey, please stop them from genociding us, shouldn't we do it?

01:25:38.180 You are allowed to believe what you want to believe.

01:25:39.940 I just don't understand.

01:25:40.560 They make a movie, Team America, World Police, just making fun of exactly that.

01:25:44.680 No, brother, if we went back to 2006, you would be a neocon.

01:25:49.980 Is Bill Clinton a neocon?

01:25:51.100 If we went back to 2006, you would be the neocon.

01:25:53.160 Bill Clinton was in 92.

01:25:54.180 Was Bill Clinton a neocon?

01:25:55.200 Neocon's a neolibs of 2006.

01:25:57.840 Wait, answer my question.

01:25:58.560 Bill Clinton is a, what I don't think is a neocon, intervened in Kosovo to save the Albanian

01:26:03.220 people from a genocide.

01:26:04.220 You call this interventionist.

01:26:05.540 Is he a neocon?

01:26:07.860 When I call you, because you guys live in a one-dimensional reality, you can't see the

01:26:13.100 grass.

01:26:13.460 Answer my question about Bill Clinton.

01:26:14.620 He's not a neocon.

01:26:15.920 But I think you lack the understanding.

01:26:20.220 What am I lacking the understanding of?

01:26:21.940 I'm looking at an intervention that I may or may not agree with and say,

01:26:24.880 oh, this one makes sense because of a security guarantee that we gave them.

01:26:28.160 Why is that pro-war?

01:26:29.420 Is Bill Clinton pro-war?

01:26:30.440 I'm using the word pro-war to refer to your pro-intervention stance.

01:26:34.660 You're comparing it to what I would-

01:26:35.760 I'm not an isolationist.

01:26:36.520 We would agree here.

01:26:37.000 We would agree here.

01:26:37.540 You don't like the George Bush Iraq invasion, right?

01:26:40.280 Yeah.

01:26:40.420 Like, I think that's not just interventional.

01:26:42.200 Nor Serbia, Kosovo, nor Desert Storm under First Bush.

01:26:45.860 One is stopping a genocide.

01:26:46.180 One is our intelligence agencies.

01:26:47.640 Who's stopping a genocide?

01:26:48.840 Bill Clinton stopped the genocide of the Albanian people in Kosovo using intervention, right?

01:26:52.940 That's very different from our intelligence agencies lied to us about weapons of mass

01:26:56.500 destruction.

01:26:56.860 So we went in and devastated this country and killed almost a million people, right?

01:27:00.200 You and I are both against that.

01:27:01.780 That is not anti-war because I'm against that.

01:27:04.600 That is, I'm anti-a-shitty-war.

01:27:06.440 You, you, you, you, I, I, I know it's hard for you to understand and I don't know how

01:27:11.540 to convey the idea to you that I don't believe the U.S. military should be an apparatus of

01:27:15.180 the world's police, be it Serbia or otherwise, or Ukraine.

01:27:18.480 Why not?

01:27:20.260 I think that America should be responsible to the American people.

01:27:23.620 If, if, I don't believe that the American-

01:27:25.540 Having a relationship with a country by saving them benefits-

01:27:26.200 You want to, you want to answer the question?

01:27:27.700 Well, hold on.

01:27:28.280 If-

01:27:28.540 You asked me a question, do I answer it or not?

01:27:29.720 I'm clarifying my question.

01:27:30.640 If you get a beneficial relationship with a country by intervening and saving them from a genocide,

01:27:34.800 isn't that good for America that we now have influence there?

01:27:37.600 Why not?

01:27:37.900 That's my point.

01:27:38.560 I don't think a single American troop like died in the Kosovo thing.

01:27:41.620 It's not like we're hurting.

01:27:42.900 The American people should not be spending their labor on foreign incursions by a political

01:27:47.220 class that rejects the will of the people.

01:27:50.360 What, it's, do you think the will of the people was don't help the people getting genocided

01:27:54.100 in Albania?

01:27:55.040 Like, I don't understand this.

01:27:56.140 Trump won the popular vote.

01:27:57.380 Well, I'm talking, hold on.

01:27:58.220 Did Trump win?

01:27:58.840 You can't keep jumping around.

01:27:59.240 Yes.

01:27:59.360 No, no, no, no.

01:27:59.780 I don't give a shit about Serbia and Kosovo.

01:28:02.080 I already said no.

01:28:02.760 I don't, I was a little kid.

01:28:03.600 I don't think you, how old are you?

01:28:05.200 I wasn't alive.

01:28:06.040 Exactly.

01:28:06.520 So, so let's not argue about things we didn't exist in because if we want to go back to

01:28:09.460 the 80s, we can talk about Ronald Reagan being for gun control.

01:28:12.560 Okay.

01:28:12.900 And he was a conservative and the Republicans love him.

01:28:14.680 And I think he was a scumbag.

01:28:15.660 He was also in favor of no fault divorce.

01:28:17.740 Going back and talking about how politics change is not the point being made here.

01:28:21.440 The point being made here.

01:28:22.220 It is because you say you're a liberal from 2002 and I'm saying none of your positions line

01:28:26.120 up with these people.

01:28:26.760 Traditional liberal tends to refer to where the Democrats used to be.

01:28:29.680 But you don't line up with those people.

01:28:31.200 You're literally anti-Bill Clinton from the 90s, which was the liberals in the 90s.

01:28:34.640 So even further back.

01:28:35.500 I know this is hard for you to understand, but saying the same thing over and over doesn't

01:28:38.520 change what I said.

01:28:39.380 Because you're not acknowledging what I'm saying.

01:28:40.640 You're not a liberal from the 90s.

01:28:42.040 You're not a liberal from the 2000s.

01:28:43.180 You don't support DACA.

01:28:44.140 So like, how are you a liberal from any?

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01:29:40.540 Any of these are just like, why not just say, I like Trump's policies because Trump is on

01:29:44.700 the right and that's who I support.

01:29:45.920 Like, what's wrong with that?

01:29:46.360 I think the, like I said this earlier, one of the biggest divides between the left and

01:29:50.780 the right is that the left is retarded and the right is slightly less retarded.

01:29:53.640 I saw you tweet that this morning because the Brian Krasinski fell for your bait, right?

01:29:56.140 Because you can't seem to grasp that I was 13 years old when the U.S. began their interventionist

01:30:03.480 neocon policies.

01:30:04.560 In 2003.

01:30:05.580 And that is what I'm talking about.

01:30:07.480 Okay.

01:30:07.780 And then when you start talking about a bygone era to which I didn't exist in politically,

01:30:12.220 nor you, it's immaterial.

01:30:14.000 I talked about Obama.

01:30:15.440 You were alive for Obama.

01:30:16.440 You're disagreeing with Obama's policy.

01:30:17.760 And disagreeing with one policy.

01:30:19.760 Which policies do you support?

01:30:20.540 It doesn't make you look conservative.

01:30:22.620 Which policies do you support?

01:30:23.340 I'm in favor of universal basic health care.

01:30:25.080 I'm pro-choice.

01:30:25.780 But then why vote for Trump?

01:30:27.740 He's not for any of those things.

01:30:29.100 Do you think that I'm going to vote for Kamala Harris?

01:30:31.260 If she's closer to those policies than he is.

01:30:32.700 I'm a reformer, not a revolutionary.

01:30:33.900 I get a withdrawal from the Middle East if I vote for Donald Trump.

01:30:36.680 I want to reform the left-wing party from what I don't like they're doing.

01:30:39.440 I'm voting for what?

01:30:40.180 Are you going to vote for Trump and reform him to become pro-choice, become, you know, immigration

01:30:46.200 in the way that you want it?

01:30:47.040 Like, is this really what's happening?

01:30:48.100 Are you changing the Republican Party to be more left?

01:30:51.380 Is Trump pro-war or anti-war?

01:30:53.160 It depends on what you mean.

01:30:54.260 He didn't start any new wars.

01:30:56.120 But like I said, he escalated drone strikes.

01:30:58.580 Say that one more time.

01:30:59.800 Say that one more time.

01:31:00.380 He's talking about invading Greenland.

01:31:01.940 He struck Soleimani, which might have caused a war with Iran, which might still happen.

01:31:06.660 No new wars?

01:31:07.500 No new wars?

01:31:08.040 You say no new wars?

01:31:09.460 Oh my God.

01:31:10.060 That means I have a choice between the Democratic establishment pro-war.

01:31:13.580 Did Joe Biden start a new war?

01:31:14.980 I actually don't know.

01:31:16.140 Yes, Ukraine.

01:31:16.740 And he got us involved in it.

01:31:18.080 He started Ukraine?

01:31:19.040 Joe Biden started the U.S. involvement in the Ukraine conflict.

01:31:22.360 Yes, he did.

01:31:23.000 He didn't start the war.

01:31:24.300 Agreed.

01:31:25.180 Joe Biden got the U.S. involved in a foreign entanglement in Eastern Europe.

01:31:28.920 It's fucking nuts.

01:31:29.600 So you're like, not just no new starting wars, no new involving ourselves with any country's

01:31:33.340 politics that are at war.

01:31:35.540 I'm not going to speak in absolutes.

01:31:37.960 My point is this.

01:31:38.860 I am not a revolutionary.

01:31:40.400 You live in a cult world where it's black or white.

01:31:43.020 But I am saying that the mathematic proposition of the last election is Donald Trump gets

01:31:49.020 me closer to what I like with RFK Jr.

01:31:50.980 Tulsi Gabbard.

01:31:51.940 And so I say, I'll go-

01:31:53.240 Name some things that you're getting closer to.

01:31:55.080 Yeah.

01:31:55.240 What are you getting closer to with RFK Jr.?

01:31:56.020 Banning artificial dyes and food.

01:31:57.480 Okay.

01:31:57.700 That's a very, actually, I agree with that policy.

01:31:59.660 That's a very specific thing.

01:31:59.980 That's a very specific thing.

01:32:00.980 But like, what is he getting you closer to on other-

01:32:03.360 What environmental things has he proposed?

01:32:04.960 Like, what clean energy-

01:32:05.940 RFK Jr.

01:32:06.360 You say, aren't you pro-Green New Deal, right?

01:32:08.320 Or no?

01:32:09.140 Did you say that at some point?

01:32:10.560 I was pro-Green New Deal when the policy was, we're going to build roads and bridges,

01:32:14.680 not when it was, we're going to racially discriminate against people in colleges.

01:32:17.740 Okay.

01:32:18.160 Maybe I didn't see that part of the Green New Deal.

01:32:19.420 That's what AOC's Green New Deal was.

01:32:20.400 I think I might have seen there was some DEI stuff in there.

01:32:22.320 Right.

01:32:22.440 That's what you're talking about.

01:32:22.960 So when AOC came out and said, we want a government program that reinvests in roads, bridges,

01:32:29.880 and we want to focus on environmentally sound practices, I said, this sounds fantastic.

01:32:34.880 Okay.

01:32:35.080 And I made a video saying, this is a good idea.

01:32:37.420 Yeah.

01:32:37.660 It's going to bring back a bunch of middle-class jobs.

01:32:39.660 Right.

01:32:39.820 It's going to strengthen construction companies, and it's going to fix our crumbling infrastructure.

01:32:45.540 And then she released a resolution that said, in hospitals, in universities, and in other

01:32:51.240 hiring practices, race should be the preference.

01:32:53.040 Right.

01:32:53.200 So let's get you closer to that.

01:32:54.460 Because my policy is, I might disagree with some of those things, and I'm going to be in

01:32:58.660 that party telling them, hey, you got a Nix X, Y, and Z to get us closer to that

01:33:02.100 original thing you had.

01:33:02.960 But you're voting for the complete opposite party who's nowhere close to that.

01:33:06.220 Trump didn't start any wars.

01:33:07.820 Green New Deal.

01:33:08.480 Obama started seven.

01:33:09.200 What environmental policy is Trump getting you closer to, right?

01:33:11.820 And the no new wars thing, again, Biden didn't start one.

01:33:14.260 I didn't say I'd vote for Donald Trump for the Green New Deal.

01:33:16.840 What did you vote for him for then?

01:33:17.880 That's what I'm asking.

01:33:18.320 You're saying he's getting you closer to the things you want.

01:33:20.040 He's the less war candidate.

01:33:21.860 Helping out Ukraine is not us starting a new war.

01:33:24.500 Obama started seven.

01:33:26.480 Started seven wars?

01:33:27.720 I think Syria, I know that one.

01:33:29.000 What are the other ones?

01:33:29.620 Yeah, wow, amazing.

01:33:30.900 He got us involved in Syria without congressional approval nor notifying the public.

01:33:34.480 And we only found out after we were already in Syria for like two years.

01:33:37.140 Right, and you can be upset about that.

01:33:38.540 But again, how does voting for Trump get you closer to this?

01:33:41.480 I just don't understand this.

01:33:42.600 Like, I really don't.

01:33:43.340 Right, because the left is a cult.

01:33:45.600 If I have to choose, we can call it whatever we want.

01:33:48.740 Did Donald Trump start any wars?

01:33:50.600 Famously.

01:33:50.860 In his first term, he did not start a new war.

01:33:52.400 Famously, he did not.

01:33:52.860 Yes, famously, right.

01:33:53.420 Famously, he did not.

01:33:54.160 I'm going to vote for that every day of the week.

01:33:55.440 Do you support him, like, you know, drone striking Soleimani?

01:33:59.120 That's a coin toss.

01:33:59.940 It's tough.

01:34:00.640 But like, I don't know whether or not it's good.

01:34:03.480 I'm like, oh, maybe we needed to do this, right?

01:34:05.460 However, that absolutely could have started a new war.

01:34:07.620 And it might end up being part of the reason we go to war with Iran.

01:34:11.360 Like, there's a really great point made by Sebastian Gorka when I talked to him recently

01:34:14.780 is that the biggest concern that we have is we don't intervene with boots on the ground

01:34:20.280 in foreign countries.

01:34:21.900 However, when it comes—

01:34:23.100 No, Biden do that.

01:34:24.400 We have special forces on the ground in Ukraine.

01:34:27.580 They're not fighting, right?

01:34:28.620 They're instructing people, right?

01:34:30.300 Look, I'm not going to—this is such a psychotic—listen.

01:34:34.320 It's not different.

01:34:34.860 Do you—if I hand John a gun and tell him to shoot you, who killed you?

01:34:40.700 John.

01:34:41.640 And would I go to prison?

01:34:43.480 Yes.

01:34:44.000 Indeed.

01:34:44.680 Right, but are you saying, like, we fought in World War II and we gave guns to the British?

01:34:48.920 Like, this isn't us fighting in the war.

01:34:51.460 We were aiding an ally then, and then we got—no, well, we got involved when—well,

01:34:54.780 you're saying that's why the Japanese bombed us, or?

01:34:57.240 There's several reasons why the Japanese bombed us, one of which was we were supplying

01:35:00.040 their enemies with weapons.

01:35:01.240 Sure.

01:35:01.640 Then they—

01:35:02.360 Okay, so you're saying it's semantic to say we're not fighting the war because we're

01:35:04.960 not shooting at them.

01:35:05.740 We're giving them all the tools to do it.

01:35:06.880 We have American special forces on the ground providing logistical support, instructing.

01:35:11.960 We have trainers in Poland training their troops.

01:35:14.440 We have U.S. citizen PMCs on the ground pulling the trigger and shooting guns, and it was

01:35:18.360 the—

01:35:18.760 Oh, okay, so—

01:35:20.140 I have a military contractor.

01:35:20.820 Yeah, volunteers or private PMCs are not part of—

01:35:22.700 We call them—it's funny how the media calls them volunteers when they're paid to be there,

01:35:25.540 but sure.

01:35:25.900 Well, I know there are volunteers in Ukraine that probably get paid by the military, but

01:35:29.440 you're also talking about something like Blackwater, right?

01:35:31.640 Like, an actual—

01:35:32.580 I actually—

01:35:33.020 A private company is there fighting on behalf of U.S.

01:35:35.840 What do they call themselves now?

01:35:36.340 They change their name every year or something.

01:35:37.440 Yeah, because they've got to—

01:35:38.400 I don't know that they're actually there.

01:35:40.120 The volunteers that are fighting there are paid individual private military contractors

01:35:43.240 to fight.

01:35:43.940 That's not the American military.

01:35:45.060 That's the difference, right?

01:35:45.800 They're American veterans.

01:35:47.520 Money to pull the trigger.

01:35:48.500 If I go and do that, right, I'm not an American veteran, I wouldn't say that America's on

01:35:52.760 the ground.

01:35:52.960 Let's try this.

01:35:53.180 It's just an American citizen, right?

01:35:54.640 If I give John $100, a gun, and say, shoot you, will I go to jail?

01:35:59.480 Yes.

01:36:00.020 Indeed.

01:36:00.560 And where did that money come from?

01:36:02.380 It came from you.

01:36:03.260 Okay, so like—

01:36:04.420 But you're not fighting in the war.

01:36:05.720 You didn't commit a violent action against me.

01:36:07.840 You just contracted me to be killed.

01:36:08.980 It's ridiculous semantics to be like, well, American citizens are there fighting, and they

01:36:12.900 are paid by the American government to be there.

01:36:15.300 But not the military.

01:36:16.140 The American military has not declared war on rights.

01:36:18.420 American government's not really involved, because they're only paying the guys, but

01:36:20.880 the guys chose to be there of their own volition.

01:36:22.180 Yeah, I think the way to put it would be if you were in support of us fighting, and then

01:36:29.640 you're like, dude, Tim, it'd be so funny if you gave John a gun right now, and then

01:36:33.660 he does, and then I kill this guy.

01:36:35.380 And then you're like, but I'm not pro-killing.

01:36:36.900 Well, the analogy is like, hey, John, I'm going to protect you for the rest of your life

01:36:40.140 if you give up your gun, and then he comes at you, and I say, oh, shit, I did make a

01:36:44.640 promise.

01:36:45.040 Here's a gun.

01:36:45.620 I said I would do it.

01:36:46.740 This is not the same as America fighting.

01:36:48.120 I would simplify it completely and be like, Democrats want foreign entanglement, and I

01:36:51.540 don't.

01:36:53.860 Is it true?

01:36:55.080 Simple.

01:36:55.420 Do you ever question, like, if Russia gave you tens of millions of dollars because they

01:37:00.300 thought, and I think you were tricked by these people, right?

01:37:02.380 That story's fake.

01:37:03.380 Well, hold on.

01:37:04.300 That story's not true.

01:37:05.200 It never happened.

01:37:05.500 The Edward Gregorian thing, right?

01:37:06.660 Yes, it's not real.

01:37:07.220 It never happened.

01:37:07.800 It never happened?

01:37:08.660 Never happened.

01:37:09.160 They never tried to host yourself on that media?

01:37:11.560 No, you guys believe fake cult bullshit because you live in paranoia.

01:37:14.220 Well, this is from the DOJ.

01:37:15.060 Maybe I should trust them.

01:37:16.380 They dropped it completely.

01:37:16.980 There's no evidence.

01:37:17.660 No evidence was ever released, and there's no case.

01:37:20.280 They dropped the case completely.

01:37:21.440 The two people that I can't speak.

01:37:23.100 I'm not going to speak out of turn.

01:37:24.100 I will just say this.

01:37:25.420 The case is dropped.

01:37:26.300 I can't speak out of turn if the case is dropped, right?

01:37:27.500 I'm not going to.

01:37:28.840 How about you let me finish talking?

01:37:30.400 Well, I'm just asking if this is all fake.

01:37:33.360 The case is dropped.

01:37:34.320 Okay.

01:37:34.680 There's no evidence.

01:37:35.420 Why can't you talk about it?

01:37:36.380 I'm talking about it right now.

01:37:37.340 You said I'm not going to speak out of turn.

01:37:38.920 Beyond what I can say, I will not speak out of turn for other people.

01:37:42.740 Okay.

01:37:43.060 What I can say is there's no case.

01:37:45.440 There's no evidence.

01:37:46.420 As far as anyone can tell, it never happened, and it was dropped almost immediately the day

01:37:49.800 they announced it.

01:37:50.800 It was dropped immediately?

01:37:52.400 Almost immediately after they announced it, the case was gone.

01:37:54.880 I don't know if you have a Jamie.

01:37:55.720 Can we pull it up?

01:37:56.360 Because I want to see.

01:37:56.680 Pull what up?

01:37:57.440 Pull the fact that the case was dropped.

01:37:58.640 How do you do that?

01:37:59.540 How do you know it was dropped?

01:38:00.520 Because I have lawyers that were working with the DOJ on it.

01:38:02.620 That wasn't reported anywhere?

01:38:03.780 Not a single person?

01:38:04.820 Yes, indeed.

01:38:06.220 Because the story wasn't real to begin with,

01:38:08.100 and it was picked up by a bunch of fucking retards.

01:38:10.360 Who made it up?

01:38:11.240 The DOJ made it up to go after you?

01:38:15.720 I didn't say that.

01:38:16.840 Well, yeah, but who's making it?

01:38:17.560 If it's completely fake, where did it come from?

01:38:19.520 That's an interesting fucking question, isn't it?

01:38:21.480 Yes.

01:38:22.240 Because my understanding was, I think you were deceived.

01:38:24.520 I watched your response to it.

01:38:25.720 I was like, that makes sense.

01:38:26.220 What's your evidence that even happened?

01:38:27.580 I don't know.

01:38:28.080 The DOJ report.

01:38:28.800 That's all I have.

01:38:29.360 What DOJ report?

01:38:30.160 The DOJ PDF that they released with all the different names.

01:38:32.800 It said that Russia was trying to pay people through a media company,

01:38:37.580 funneling money to host your content.

01:38:39.540 Culture, this show, by the way.

01:38:40.960 What's the evidence?

01:38:41.680 I don't have no fucking links in it.

01:38:43.320 There was never any evidence.

01:38:44.280 Okay, so where did it come from?

01:38:45.260 What do you mean?

01:38:45.660 I'm confused.

01:38:46.440 Look, all I'm saying is, the story was, and if this is false, sure,

01:38:50.660 the story was the Russian government thought it behooved them to pay you money

01:38:53.840 because your talking points on Ukraine were indistinguishable from their propaganda.

01:38:58.120 Now, if that's not true, maybe.

01:38:59.500 It's not true.

01:39:00.100 That's not even an indictment.

01:39:00.960 When you scream Ukraine is the enemy of the people,

01:39:03.640 that is essentially Russian propaganda.

01:39:05.300 I don't think they're being paid for them to say that.

01:39:07.380 Did our ally, Germany, accuse Ukrainians of sabotaging our energy pipeline?

01:39:10.880 Did our ally, Germany, put money into that country to fight back against them?

01:39:13.780 Is Germany not raising money for them right now?

01:39:16.400 You gave a specific quote when I said Ukraine is an enemy of this country.

01:39:19.660 Right.

01:39:20.120 What did you mean by that?

01:39:21.060 Because Germany, our ally, said that Ukrainians just bombed our energy pipeline.

01:39:25.800 Sure.

01:39:26.100 And I said, that makes them an enemy of us.

01:39:28.700 Our ally was attacked by Ukrainians.

01:39:30.740 Okay, so clearly the governments of these NATO countries don't agree with you insofar as they think,

01:39:34.880 hey, it still behooves us to give money to this country and help it defend itself against Russia.

01:39:38.640 I don't care about that.

01:39:39.360 Meanwhile, the Russian narrative is 100% that that did happen in that way that you're describing,

01:39:43.540 where we don't actually know.

01:39:44.540 This is my understanding.

01:39:45.360 My question is, why should I take your Ukrainian facts seriously if this seems to be the case?

01:39:50.400 What?

01:39:50.600 CBS News.

01:39:51.380 What's CBS News?

01:39:52.120 What I just cited was CBS.

01:39:53.300 They said 100% this is confirmed or this is an alleged thing?

01:39:56.280 CBS reported that Germany has issued an arrest warrant for a Ukrainian diver named Volodymyr Z.

01:40:00.320 And that means 100% it happened?

01:40:02.860 It means our ally has asserted that this is their stance on it.

01:40:07.660 Right.

01:40:07.920 And we should stand with our native ally.

01:40:08.980 So why isn't their conclusion Ukraine is the enemy of the people?

01:40:11.740 Maybe it is.

01:40:12.680 Well, no, it's not.

01:40:13.380 They're giving them money.

01:40:14.140 They're supporting them.

01:40:14.840 That doesn't get into the nuance of a political climate in Eastern Europe.

01:40:19.100 Okay, so what I'm asking you is your position on this seems to be at the least aligned

01:40:24.240 with a lot of what the Russian position is, which is, you know, fine.

01:40:26.420 Well, that Russia are scumbags and should have been hated?

01:40:28.320 If that's your opinion.

01:40:29.400 And what I'm saying is, why then are all these countries still doing the exact opposite of

01:40:33.740 what you're suggesting?

01:40:35.680 What does that have to do with what we were talking about?

01:40:37.140 I don't understand the point of that.

01:40:37.760 It has to do with the fact that, like, I'm asking you, why should I take any of your

01:40:40.740 opinions on this seriously when it seems to be 100% aligned with a country that is

01:40:44.200 the enemy in this situation?

01:40:45.100 Are you retarded?

01:40:46.480 What?

01:40:46.840 Are you a retard?

01:40:47.860 I mean, yes, but that's irrelevant to what we're talking about right now.

01:40:49.280 What does my opinion as an American who doesn't want to be involved in foreign wars have to

01:40:53.200 do with whether Russia agrees with that or not?

01:40:54.980 Because if the Russians thought that they should give you millions of dollars to spread

01:40:57.820 your opinion, which helps them out.

01:40:59.180 And they didn't, and that's made up.

01:41:00.620 Can we look at that?

01:41:01.860 What was the case being dropped?

01:41:02.880 Like, do you have an email from your lawyer about it being dropped or something that you're

01:41:05.420 allowed to show with, like, a little redactions?

01:41:06.100 Is there any proof that it ever happened?

01:41:07.940 The proof, I, look, if you think the DOJ made it up out of thin air, maybe.

01:41:11.480 I don't know.

01:41:11.920 Okay, let's try this.

01:41:12.600 Do you believe everything the government says?

01:41:15.420 No.

01:41:15.780 And with no evidence being issued, no case ever being brought, no individuals ever identified.

01:41:22.580 With charges, I mean, okay, with the two Russians that were-

01:41:24.840 You just believe whatever the government says.

01:41:25.900 To the two Russians indicted, are they free now?

01:41:28.080 Who are they?

01:41:29.020 Kalashnikov and the other one?

01:41:29.840 I don't remember their names.

01:41:30.700 When have you ever seen them before?

01:41:32.040 Are you saying these people aren't real?

01:41:33.520 We don't know that they are.

01:41:34.620 I'm asking you if you-

01:41:35.500 They haven't even posted photos of these people.

01:41:37.120 So, okay, hold on.

01:41:37.700 Let me just get this straight.

01:41:38.520 Because the idea is this entire thing was crafted out of thin air.

01:41:41.220 We made up fake names.

01:41:42.520 Why'd they drop it?

01:41:43.060 It's directly with XYZ people, it's directly linked to this company that we know is real,

01:41:46.860 which is Tenet Media, started by Lauren Chen and her husband or whatever.

01:41:49.420 But everything in between those names is completely fabricated?

01:41:53.660 So, you believe whatever the government tells you?

01:41:56.200 That's not what I asked.

01:41:57.000 I asked you if everything is completely fabricated in between those names.

01:41:59.680 Just because they issued an indictment doesn't mean that they made it up.

01:42:02.320 They could be wrong.

01:42:02.860 Well, who-

01:42:03.260 Okay, what is the source that is wrong then, right?

01:42:05.640 Like, are all these Russians-

01:42:06.500 Because you just alleged these Russian people don't exist, right?

01:42:08.400 Here's the world that you live in.

01:42:09.320 You live in a world where if the government asserts it, it must be true without charge

01:42:13.340 or trial or orders.

01:42:13.960 That's not what I said.

01:42:14.760 I said, if someone says something with a very credible report-

01:42:16.400 You're using that to strike at my opinion on a war in Ukraine, which I think we shouldn't

01:42:19.880 be involved in.

01:42:20.480 It's because I'm questioning the veracity of some of the facts you're bringing up on it

01:42:23.960 because they are indeed aligned with Russian state propaganda.

01:42:27.420 Let's try this.

01:42:28.060 Okay, let's try this.

01:42:28.820 Let's try the second biggest live show in the country, is contacted by a conservative

01:42:33.700 personality to license a cultural debate show unrelated to the news.

01:42:39.500 Sure.

01:42:40.040 The DOJ then comes out shortly before the election and claims that Russia paid for the

01:42:44.280 whole thing.

01:42:44.960 Yes.

01:42:45.100 And then within weeks, it's completely gone.

01:42:47.840 No evidence released.

01:42:49.100 No charges.

01:42:50.100 No trial.

01:42:51.100 No evidence.

01:42:51.840 Were the Russians not, excuse me, charged?

01:42:53.820 I thought they were.

01:42:54.820 I'm saying outside the indictment.

01:42:57.480 I don't think you committed a crime.

01:42:58.200 I read the report, I watched your response, and it's like, they deceived you to funnel

01:43:02.800 money into you because they thought that your opinions aligned with theirs and they want

01:43:05.840 to spread those.

01:43:06.380 That's it.

01:43:06.640 That's all it looked like.

01:43:07.620 I think you're a retard.

01:43:09.400 Why?

01:43:10.100 Because when the US government, largely under the Biden administration, wants to be involved

01:43:15.420 in a foreign conflict, and the second biggest live stream in the country is saying we should

01:43:19.980 not be, they then issue a statement without evidence impuning my honor that you are using

01:43:25.680 to strike at my credibility.

01:43:26.820 Do you have evidence that the Biden government fabricated this to frame you because they hate

01:43:30.760 your opinions on Ukraine?

01:43:32.340 What?

01:43:32.680 I didn't say they did.

01:43:33.600 Well, that's what you're alleging right now.

01:43:35.080 No, I'm alleging that they-

01:43:36.260 You just said that.

01:43:37.000 What do you mean?

01:43:37.920 You just said when someone says something against the motives of the Biden administration,

01:43:42.100 they might go after that second biggest podcast because they don't like what that

01:43:45.640 podcast is saying.

01:43:46.420 You said that's what they did, right?

01:43:47.320 The point was that you are using a claim without evidence to impugn my credibility.

01:43:52.500 No, I'm actually not.

01:43:53.900 You literally just said, why should I listen to your opinions on this?

01:43:56.240 I'm using, because your opinions are indistinguishable from Russian state propaganda, and it behooved

01:44:02.020 them to give you money because they're like, I want these opinions disseminated more.

01:44:06.140 The Russian position is that they shouldn't have invaded Ukraine?

01:44:09.280 So that's your basic position?

01:44:10.700 I'm talking about-

01:44:11.260 They won.

01:44:11.460 Ukraine is the enemy of the people.

01:44:13.280 America is fighting this war.

01:44:14.220 Never said they were the enemy of the people.

01:44:15.580 You literally said Ukraine is the enemy of this country or whatever, right?

01:44:18.040 Because they bombed the Nord Stream Pipeline, according to Germany.

01:44:20.220 The point is that your position-

01:44:21.660 Bro, you know so little about the Ukrainian conflict.

01:44:23.780 What do you mean?

01:44:24.340 That you, like-

01:44:25.660 Are you going to get me to name all the oblasts right now?

01:44:27.320 I know, like, one of them, so-

01:44:28.520 You don't-

01:44:28.860 Oh, wow.

01:44:29.300 I'm impressed.

01:44:29.800 You don't know-

01:44:30.040 It was like Donetsk and Lush Hanks or whatever.

01:44:32.040 Those are the only two.

01:44:32.420 I don't even know to.

01:44:33.700 Are they pronouncing them wrong?

01:44:36.680 Luhansk and Donetsk?

01:44:37.540 Yeah.

01:44:38.000 I don't care if you know the names of oblasts.

01:44:39.680 I just remember you called out Wick on that, so-

01:44:41.420 You don't know shit about what's going on, but you are adamant we'd be involved.

01:44:45.000 What do you mean I don't know shit?

01:44:45.780 I know that the security guarantee happened.

01:44:47.840 I know that we should defend-

01:44:48.580 Why did Russia invade?

01:44:49.660 Why did Russia invade?

01:44:50.820 Well, I think you're alleging that it was because of the trade deals and they didn't want their cheap European goods flooding into Russia or something like that.

01:44:58.640 I thought you said that at one point.

01:44:59.820 I'm sorry if that's not what you think.

01:45:01.040 I thought the Russian-

01:45:01.620 I read that in a Reuters article.

01:45:03.200 Okay.

01:45:04.620 So what do you think?

01:45:05.400 Why do you think Russia invaded?

01:45:06.540 Because they don't want to lose control of Sevastopol.

01:45:08.880 Okay.

01:45:09.900 That's why they control the land bridge into Crimea.

01:45:12.080 What does this have to do with anything I said?

01:45:15.960 I've seen you talk about this stuff.

01:45:17.200 You don't know why the U.S. is involved in Ukraine, but you want us to be there.

01:45:20.780 I think that the U.S. is opposing, one, the invasion of Ukraine because we promised that, hey, if you give up your nukes, we'll help you if you get invaded because we don't want the nuclear proliferation in this country.

01:45:31.600 And what was that called?

01:45:32.860 I don't remember.

01:45:33.480 It's like 1993 or something, right?

01:45:34.860 Listen, I have an issue with ill-informed individuals advocating for an escalation of war.

01:45:40.940 Why is this?

01:45:42.620 Dude, if you're talking about-

01:45:44.580 Look, I can probably name the way that you've described of Russia's goals in this country and all the points you're going over.

01:45:50.600 My question is, why is it that when we do a security guarantee for a country, we shouldn't help that country out?

01:45:55.320 What's the security guarantee?

01:45:56.500 The security guarantee is that if you give up your nukes, we will protect you, right?

01:45:59.200 Tell me about it.

01:45:59.700 What, do you want me to pull it up?

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01:47:14.460 There are a lot of shows, ideologically driven shows and networks, whose audiences say,

01:47:18.960 thank you for telling me I'm not crazy, but I don't really doubt my own sanity.

01:47:24.700 I don't need affirmation and reassurance that my side or one side of the political or social

01:47:31.260 debate is right.

01:47:32.620 I'm more worried about being misinformed by lazily going along with the untested assumption or

01:47:39.100 narrative.

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01:47:49.200 I don't have it memorized.

01:47:50.700 Do you have it memorized?

01:47:51.600 Yeah, it was the Budapest Memorandum.

01:47:52.920 There we go.

01:47:53.440 Didn't remember.

01:47:53.780 It was the nuclear deproliferation, the beginning of the start, the start treaties.

01:47:57.260 Right.

01:47:57.520 Now, why is the United States involved in Ukraine?

01:48:00.340 Because why are we involved in any foreign country?

01:48:02.440 No, there's a specific reason we're involved in Ukraine.

01:48:04.340 Are you talking about like to combat the spread of Soviet like stuff?

01:48:08.180 Or what do you mean?

01:48:08.680 I have an issue my whole life with ill-informed people propagandized by the government to

01:48:15.120 advocate for foreign intervention in other countries.

01:48:17.300 Why is this?

01:48:17.860 What am I propaganda?

01:48:18.680 Like, tell me what my brainwash position.

01:48:21.260 Because in good faith, I'm asking you, what do you think my position, why I support this

01:48:25.780 based on this like thing?

01:48:26.820 Like if I said, oh, it seems like we promised this country we'd defend them.

01:48:29.560 We'll be greeted as liberators.

01:48:31.320 Huh?

01:48:32.160 Because you're basically saying we will be greeted as liberators.

01:48:34.540 No, I'm saying it seems to me like we had a promise to this country to defend them in

01:48:39.700 this case.

01:48:40.420 My question is, what's wrong with that?

01:48:42.440 Because maybe I'm wrong, but tell me about it.

01:48:44.540 But my question originally was going back to this like, okay, but like, if you're saying

01:48:47.900 the same things as Russian state TV, it makes it hard to take you seriously.

01:48:51.720 Does the treaty that we have with Ukraine that promises to defend them include any guarantees

01:48:59.560 for Russia?

01:49:01.960 Probably.

01:49:02.460 I think so, right?

01:49:02.980 Does it maybe, is there maybe some kind of issue pertaining to if the U.S.

01:49:07.640 Well, you're asking, you know, just tell me.

01:49:09.420 I haven't read the whole thing since like three months ago or something.

01:49:13.680 Was it Timber Sycamore?

01:49:15.300 Was that the operation?

01:49:16.340 That was in Syria.

01:49:17.360 Yeah.

01:49:17.800 When the U.S. started providing weapons to Islamic terrorist groups so that they could

01:49:23.860 topple the Assad regime, which was allied with Russia, where Russia has their naval base

01:49:27.220 in Tartus.

01:49:28.120 Okay.

01:49:28.740 That was an aggress upon an ally of Russia, which destabilized the region.

01:49:33.060 Creating a conflict, particularly around control of a Russian naval base, which put them at

01:49:37.760 risk.

01:49:38.380 Assad had to flee the country.

01:49:39.880 We viewed him largely as a terrorist who was gassing his own people.

01:49:42.600 Russia viewed him as an ally and sought to protect him.

01:49:44.740 The U.S.

01:49:45.540 threatened to put a no-fly zone over Syria, to which Hillary Clinton said, let's do it.

01:49:49.140 Even though she was warned that would start war with Russia directly.

01:49:52.100 She said, I don't care.

01:49:52.980 The reason we are in Ukraine largely has to do with our attempts to bring natural gas

01:49:58.580 from the Middle East into Europe to offset Russia's control of natural gas.

01:50:02.700 Yeah.

01:50:03.020 I've seen you talk about this.

01:50:03.800 Okay.

01:50:03.980 So the U.S. is setting up operations in Ukraine, running soft power operations to shift their

01:50:10.600 government towards a pro-EU, pro-Schengen, pro-NATO sentiment.

01:50:14.200 Okay.

01:50:14.680 Russia opposes this.

01:50:15.980 Okay.

01:50:16.300 This is why Russia invaded.

01:50:18.140 Firstly, the reason why they seized Crimea in 20, I think it was 2014, was because they

01:50:22.460 saw the writing on the wall with the ousting of Yanukovych.

01:50:24.720 They didn't invade Ukraine at the time.

01:50:26.480 They simply had their existing troops in Sevastopol walk outside and then-

01:50:30.060 Didn't they put a bunch of special forces and like-

01:50:31.900 They were already there.

01:50:32.840 No, the Little Green Men thing, right?

01:50:34.200 They were already there.

01:50:35.280 Okay.

01:50:35.460 Why does that make it okay?

01:50:37.060 No one said it was.

01:50:38.040 I'm saying this is what Russia did.

01:50:39.420 Right.

01:50:39.700 Then there was a Lisa-

01:50:40.400 There was a Lisa agreement in Sevastopol, right?

01:50:41.620 After Joe Biden got back in.

01:50:43.780 Right.

01:50:43.940 Because when Trump won in 2016, all of these tensions simmered down and halted.

01:50:48.400 The response from the left, the Democratic Party, was largely that Donald Trump was supporting

01:50:52.380 Russian interests-

01:50:52.980 One more time.

01:50:53.460 By removing our involvement from Ukraine.

01:50:54.880 I asked what specifically about my position is completely fabricated or brainwashed, but-

01:51:00.460 Because you don't know any of this, but you want us to be involved.

01:51:03.960 Hold on.

01:51:04.300 But I'm also questioning everything you're telling me now, because first of all, you have been

01:51:07.760 in this industry way longer than me.

01:51:08.920 I would always concede and cop to the fact that you probably know more about more things

01:51:12.560 than I do and probably ever will.

01:51:13.680 Not only do I know more about it than you, I was there twice at the start of the Civil

01:51:17.420 War.

01:51:17.660 But my question is, if the Russian state media says, hey, this person's opinions are so

01:51:21.220 aligned with ours, we want to give them millions of dollars, why should I believe you?

01:51:24.500 That's made up.

01:51:25.480 And your evidence of it being made up is-

01:51:27.620 You have no evidence of it.

01:51:29.340 Yeah, but you're-

01:51:30.400 If you think the DOJ completely fabricated it, just say that, but I don't think-

01:51:33.460 No, no, no, no.

01:51:34.100 Let's take the-

01:51:34.880 Let's say their indictment is fine.

01:51:36.640 Okay.

01:51:37.060 What evidence did they release?

01:51:38.400 I don't know.

01:51:38.840 I haven't looked at the sources-

01:51:39.840 The indictment contains no evidence.

01:51:40.980 What do you mean?

01:51:41.900 It's like, can we call Lauren Chen on the phone and ask her right now?

01:51:45.060 The indictment contains zero evidence that anything that they've claimed happened.

01:51:48.900 Yeah, when the government releases a report on something, do they have a list of sources

01:51:52.260 at the bottom?

01:51:52.860 Or do they say, this is what we're alleging happened?

01:51:54.580 Like, you know, Joe Biden said, hey, Russia's about to invade Ukraine in the coming weeks.

01:51:58.340 And they didn't say, and these are intelligence sources, and these are our spies.

01:52:01.520 They were just like, this is going to happen.

01:52:02.920 And then it did, right?

01:52:03.600 If your only argument against the historical facts that I brought up is, but I heard from

01:52:07.900 an indictment, that you may have been paid by a foreign country.

01:52:10.040 That's not my only argument.

01:52:10.800 I have a lot of arguments there.

01:52:12.040 I don't want to get into a whole Ukraine debate.

01:52:13.400 My point is, like, I don't understand why-

01:52:15.500 Let's just pause on the Ukraine thing, because I don't need to rehash a history lesson to somebody

01:52:18.920 who didn't research it.

01:52:19.960 Okay.

01:52:20.140 Let's just talk about-

01:52:20.980 Speaking of, wait, not researching.

01:52:21.940 Can we talk about the fine people hoax?

01:52:23.360 You talked about it with Adam Conover, and I think you bring that up with liberals a lot.

01:52:26.180 But I just made a video on it.

01:52:27.660 You feature in it.

01:52:28.600 The Adam Conover clip itself.

01:52:30.160 Right.

01:52:30.860 You did research it.

01:52:32.020 You did know the full quote.

01:52:33.440 Yeah, yeah.

01:52:33.900 So, okay.

01:52:34.400 So, people, some people, especially Chuck Schumer, he did this.

01:52:36.980 He said, Donald Trump called neo-Nazis fine people, which is not the quote, right?

01:52:40.500 It's, you know, like-

01:52:41.520 They should be condemned.

01:52:42.100 Yeah, fine people on both sides, but I'm not talking about this.

01:52:44.640 But, like, I think that completely ignores the context of the white nationalists who organized

01:52:48.880 the rally, who was there on that day, and all the, like, the Identity Europa, the KKK.

01:52:52.420 Like, the idea that there were fine people in this group is kind of like what everyone

01:52:56.080 was upset about, is that he didn't condemn them on August 12th, when white nationalists

01:53:00.300 killed a guy.

01:53:01.200 Two days later, he gave a teleprompter speech that seemed kind of like wooden and hollow.

01:53:04.360 And then on the 15th, he finally said the fine people thing, pointing to no one, because

01:53:08.360 there were not fine people on the side of the neo-Nazis, right?

01:53:10.400 I think this is why young men are leaving the Democratic Party.

01:53:12.880 Because we don't like neo-Nazis?

01:53:14.540 Because Trump condemned neo-Nazis, and you're not trying to make the case why he actually did.

01:53:17.480 Can we talk, can you bring up the Snopes article that you brought up?

01:53:20.080 Where Trump said, not the Nazis, and...

01:53:22.120 Well, here's the thing, is, like, if you look at that article, yeah, obviously, Snopes

01:53:25.420 did a good job.

01:53:25.960 They're like, we are here to report on the factual thing of what Trump said.

01:53:29.220 Yep.

01:53:29.440 But you brought this up with Autumn Conover.

01:53:30.980 Scroll down.

01:53:31.620 Can you read that editor's note?

01:53:32.980 Some readers have raised the objection that this fact check appears to assume Trump was

01:53:35.720 correct in saying there were very fine people on both sides of the Charlottesville

01:53:37.740 incident, and that's not the case.

01:53:39.120 The fact check aimed to confirm that Trump actually said, not whether what he said was true or false,

01:53:42.500 for the record, virtually every source that covered the United the Right debacle concluded that

01:53:45.320 it was conceived of, led by, and attended by white supremacists, and therefore Trump's

01:53:49.180 characterization was wrong.

01:53:50.160 Right.

01:53:50.380 So, like, most of the people and the media narrative around this as a whole was that

01:53:53.760 Trump is not condemning white nationalists at this rally that killed a person.

01:53:57.240 I'm just going to say it again.

01:53:58.040 This is why young men are leaving the Democratic Party.

01:53:59.640 Well, can you address the point I'm bringing up here?

01:54:01.400 August 11 happened...

01:54:02.320 I'll say it right now.

01:54:03.940 Who did Trump describe specifically as the fine people?

01:54:06.400 So, on August 11...

01:54:07.340 Who did Trump describe as the fine people he was referring to?

01:54:09.080 He said the people that weren't the neo-Nazis and the racists who should become condemned totally.

01:54:11.440 No, he specifically said some people who just didn't want to see statues torn down in the

01:54:15.560 neighborhood.

01:54:15.720 So, not those people.

01:54:16.360 So, everyone excluding those.

01:54:17.700 So, when Trump says, like, a little old lady doesn't want a statue torn down as a fine

01:54:21.680 person...

01:54:22.020 But that's who...

01:54:22.580 Where is this little old lady, right?

01:54:24.160 The point is, this was a white nationalist rally organized by Jason Kessler, a white nationalist,

01:54:28.900 and with the scheduled speakers being David Duke, Mike Enoch, Richard Spencer.

01:54:33.320 And so, when you show up, you look at these promotional materials, the news...

01:54:35.840 And they should be condemned totally.

01:54:36.920 And the news reports on, and this says, this is going to be a white nationalist rally.

01:54:39.820 And then you show up, and you're like, well, I know I'm one of the 4,000 other Nazi people

01:54:43.960 here, but I'm just here to protest the statue.

01:54:45.740 Do you think those people, like, existed?

01:54:47.420 And, like, this is specifically this one or two people?

01:54:49.760 They did, actually.

01:54:50.880 And it's also, if you look at, like, the history of how these organizations operate throughout

01:54:54.120 American politics, it's exactly like you're describing where you've got something like

01:54:58.200 a statue for Robert E. Lee, you've got Americans who are local, and they're like, you know

01:55:01.580 what, this is my heritage.

01:55:02.700 Maybe I don't swear by it, but I like it, and I respect it.

01:55:05.160 And they, all of a sudden, can bring in these boogeyman figures like David Duke, who famously

01:55:09.320 sold lists of his members to the SBLC.

01:55:11.620 Why do you say boogeyman for David Duke?

01:55:13.020 Because that is what they are.

01:55:13.900 He's not the grand wizard of the KKK.

01:55:15.340 The boogeyman referring to this sort of, like, archetypal scary thing so that the media

01:55:18.820 can then report on it, and now, eight years later, we're pretending that Trump is maybe

01:55:21.760 a white supremacist.

01:55:22.000 The media didn't bring David Duke to the rally.

01:55:24.000 David Duke promoted and organized it.

01:55:25.640 There is a relationship between the state, the media, and the boogeyman that seeks to take

01:55:32.080 normal right-wing opinions and vilify them and make them scary and alienating to normal

01:55:36.120 people.

01:55:36.480 So you think there's, like, some subversion tactic which made the white nationalists promote

01:55:41.120 this rally to scare people away from defending the statue?

01:55:44.540 100%, yes.

01:55:45.280 That is how this has operated since the end of World War II, this relationship between

01:55:48.640 the national security state, far-right organizations, and the media.

01:55:51.580 They all work together to vilify normal right-wing opinions such as, we don't want a statue of

01:55:55.740 a local hero.

01:55:56.620 I'll say it.

01:55:57.260 I've got a question for you.

01:55:58.800 Do you think that intelligence agencies in the United States coordinate with news organizations?

01:56:03.960 100%, yes, of course.

01:56:05.940 I mean, even worse than that, they subvert certain movements.

01:56:08.400 Like, I brought up Comintelpro, right?

01:56:10.000 Do you think that news organizations, even today, take direction from intelligence agencies?

01:56:14.020 Direction?

01:56:14.820 It depends on what you mean by that.

01:56:16.000 I'm not sure.

01:56:16.660 Like, if the FBI is like, you have to report on this, maybe?

01:56:20.340 If it's like, hey, we're doing a story on this, and we have insiders here, would you

01:56:24.200 like to make a story about this?

01:56:25.400 That might be manufactured consent.

01:56:27.060 But yeah, they probably do that.

01:56:28.800 So I can tell you, with first-hand experience, the State Department particularly calls on

01:56:34.400 the phone, the editor-in-chief, and tells them what to report.

01:56:38.060 They say, hey, you need to report on this, or hey, this is what happened if you're making

01:56:42.480 a report on this.

01:56:43.560 They say, we need you to report on this.

01:56:45.160 Sure.

01:56:45.520 But that's not forcing them to report on something.

01:56:47.540 If I bombed a country, and then I'm like, hey, we're going to report that we just bombed

01:56:51.200 Cambodia or whatever, and I get on the phone with Washington Post, I'm like, hey, just

01:56:53.760 so you know, we just bombed a country.

01:56:54.920 We're leaking it to you first.

01:56:56.140 Go ahead and report on this.

01:56:57.060 No, I'm telling you that the State Department contacts the heads of news organizations

01:57:01.400 and says, we've got a big story that we need you to cover.

01:57:04.400 We need this one out there.

01:57:05.320 Sure.

01:57:05.680 But this is kind of, the way you're phrasing it makes it seem like, oh, news, you've got

01:57:09.520 to do this, or we're going to punish you.

01:57:10.780 And not, hey, you're a news organization.

01:57:12.760 This is going to be a huge benefit for you to get ahead of this story and talk about this

01:57:15.860 very big thing that's about to happen, which is a completely normal relationship.

01:57:18.680 So I think because of movies, largely, people live in this world where they think everything's

01:57:23.100 a perverse incentive or blackmail or a bribe.

01:57:27.740 The reality is, for news organizations, it's really simple.

01:57:31.380 You just hire the people who will do what you say.

01:57:33.480 You don't hire the people who you have to bribe to do this.

01:57:35.520 Yeah, Noam Chomsky made a whole thing about this.

01:57:37.760 So what ends up happening is, you're a news organization, and you want someone who's,

01:57:42.860 you need to report that this conflict in Afghanistan has to happen, and the Taliban are the bad guys.

01:57:52.780 Oh, if you want to talk about how the media was very complicit in the Iraq war narrative,

01:57:56.000 100%.

01:57:56.600 So what you do is, you get a list of people who are writing, and one guy says, I'm a bit

01:58:01.320 nuanced, I'll write whatever you need.

01:58:03.200 One guy says, I hate the government of Iraq.

01:58:06.380 Saddam Hussein is a scumbag.

01:58:07.760 You're hired.

01:58:08.520 Then when the State Department says, write this, they go, hey, look what we got from

01:58:12.160 the State Department.

01:58:12.660 He goes, oh, yeah, and he writes it up.

01:58:14.180 Yeah, there's ideological capture for sure.

01:58:15.880 I don't disagree with that.

01:58:16.540 Well, it's functional of the U.S. intelligence.

01:58:18.460 Okay, but if we're talking about this, and it's like, okay, if we look at the timeline,

01:58:21.560 you had a bunch of neo-Nazis on August 11th go and talk about Jews not replacing us,

01:58:24.920 blood and soil, you know, gas the K-word, right?

01:58:27.380 And it's like, the day after that, he doesn't condemn those people, versus every other

01:58:30.480 Republican politician coming in.

01:58:31.800 He did.

01:58:32.200 No, the day after that, he doesn't condemn those people, right?

01:58:34.580 He says, he tweets something out.

01:58:35.560 That's so stupid.

01:58:36.040 This is why young men are leaving the Democratic Party.

01:58:38.000 I'll say it again.

01:58:38.260 You can keep deferring to that, but the point is, like, your narrative on this is painted

01:58:41.640 by what I will admit are people like Adam Conover who, like, don't understand it.

01:58:45.860 They just hear this, like, oh, he called neo-Nazis fine people, and they brush it aside.

01:58:48.800 They don't think about it.

01:58:50.260 Did Adam Conover lied about it?

01:58:51.380 Because the first thing he said was, the first thing he did was quoted, then claimed he didn't

01:58:55.620 know.

01:58:55.960 Right, which is, like, pussy shit, in my opinion.

01:58:58.160 And now what you're doing is called sophistry.

01:59:01.100 What is the sophistry?

01:59:01.860 To say that people were upset.

01:59:03.220 You can look at the articles from this time.

01:59:04.860 You're arguing over words and tone about things that happened eight years ago.

01:59:06.920 I'm saying, the day after neo-Nazis marched in this rally with the tiki torches, Republicans

01:59:14.760 came out.

01:59:16.120 Mitch McConnell, the Bushes, all these other people came out and said, by the way, I'm

01:59:19.120 not saying these people are good.

01:59:20.400 I'm saying all the other Republican parties said, hey, these are neo-Nazis and these

01:59:24.160 are bad.

01:59:24.580 And Donald Trump said, oh, many sides, right?

01:59:27.440 And people were upset about that.

01:59:28.820 You mean after a different event?

01:59:30.920 No.

01:59:31.060 That's why I call it sophistry.

01:59:31.860 No, after the tiki torches.

01:59:33.620 Trump didn't say very fine people on both sides of the tiki torches.

01:59:35.740 No, the many sides was on August 12th.

01:59:37.480 He said many sides.

01:59:38.220 Fine people was on August 15th.

01:59:39.620 That was three days later, after he didn't say anything to condemn them for two days.

01:59:43.080 Then gave the teleprompter speech.

01:59:44.380 Then finally condemned them after every other reasonable politician who I, you know, I fucking

01:59:48.220 hate Ted Cruz.

01:59:48.860 Ted Cruz was condemning this and he wasn't.

01:59:50.840 And it seems like the reason people are mad are not that he said verbatim, neo-Nazis are fine

01:59:55.120 people, because he didn't.

01:59:55.940 You're right.

01:59:56.240 That is a lie.

01:59:56.720 That's why they're mad.

01:59:57.260 That's literally what they're saying.

01:59:58.340 Why they're mad is because he refused to condemn one of the most egregious displays of white

02:00:02.340 nationalism in this country and violence for days.

02:00:03.420 How many times has Trump condemned white supremacy?

02:00:05.420 I don't know, but he seems really reluctant to do it compared to other people.

02:00:08.480 A lot.

02:00:09.020 Have you seen the clip of him on, was it Jake Tapper, where he asks him to denounce the

02:00:12.700 KKK and he just won't do it?

02:00:14.620 Have you seen literally the 57 times Trump's been like, why do I keep getting asked to do

02:00:18.800 this and I do it every time?

02:00:19.640 Because he just really struggles to do it.

02:00:21.500 And it's like, hey, why are you so reluctant to do this versus every other politician who, like,

02:00:25.960 would you denounce the KKK, Tim?

02:00:28.120 No.

02:00:29.020 Wait, why not?

02:00:30.860 Because it's a bullshit smear tactic PR game.

02:00:33.540 Ask me.

02:00:33.680 I'll say yes.

02:00:34.320 Why not?

02:00:34.880 Because you're in a cult.

02:00:36.000 I'm in a cult because I will immediately denounce the KKK because I think the evil racist lynching

02:00:40.600 group is bad.

02:00:41.140 Why are you asking me to denounce the Klan?

02:00:42.880 I'm asking you not because I think you support them.

02:00:45.240 I'm asking you because it's showing how easy it is to denounce them.

02:00:48.040 And he struggles with this.

02:00:49.300 And it raises questions where it's like, hey, why is it?

02:00:53.380 Yes, it absolutely does.

02:00:54.440 If he says, if he lies on national television, when someone says, hey, will you denounce David

02:00:59.740 Duke?

02:00:59.960 And he says, I don't know who David Duke is when he's a great answer.

02:01:02.920 No, because in 2000, he said, I'm leaving the reformist party because David Duke is part

02:01:07.500 of it.

02:01:07.700 So he did know who David Duke was.

02:01:09.080 No, it doesn't.

02:01:09.440 Isn't that like the point, though?

02:01:10.840 If he knows who he is.

02:01:12.420 Bro, they try.

02:01:13.060 If he knows who a character is and then pretends like he doesn't understand the concept of

02:01:16.520 the KKK, he says, I don't know this group.

02:01:18.080 I'm going to say it again.

02:01:18.540 Does this not raise questions, Tim?

02:01:19.900 It does not.

02:01:20.580 Why not?

02:01:21.500 I've got videos that I've been making.

02:01:23.700 I've been making online videos where I talk for hours for like 16, 17 years.

02:01:27.500 Do you know what the KKK is?

02:01:28.380 Indeed, I do.

02:01:29.140 Okay.

02:01:29.460 So why would you say, I don't know what that is?

02:01:30.980 Does that bother you?

02:01:32.160 If someone went back and said, Tim, you know, it's really funny.

02:01:34.960 I'll tell you this.

02:01:35.820 When Andrew Tate got really big and everyone was talking about Andrew Tate, I was like, don't I know

02:01:40.000 that guy?

02:01:40.520 Oh, yeah.

02:01:41.140 Holy shit.

02:01:41.640 He was on the show.

02:01:43.060 Eight years ago, he had DM'd me about the field reporting stuff.

02:01:46.840 He had like 40,000 followers.

02:01:48.620 If someone had asked me, what do you think of Andrew Tate?

02:01:51.660 I'd be like, honestly, I don't know the guy.

02:01:53.260 Bullshit.

02:01:53.740 You were DMing with him eight years ago.

02:01:55.440 I'd be like, fuck, I didn't even realize.

02:01:56.860 Yeah, but that's very different from citing him specifically as the reason you ended a

02:02:02.680 particular part of your political career.

02:02:04.240 It's like specifically because of this man.

02:02:06.040 And then also saying, I don't know what the KKK is.

02:02:08.400 You understand the problem with that, though?

02:02:09.820 It's like, okay.

02:02:10.580 Literally, can we bring up the clip?

02:02:11.440 Can we watch it?

02:02:11.920 I don't know what the Klan is.

02:02:12.720 Can we watch it?

02:02:13.500 In 2015.

02:02:14.000 Look if Donald Trump denounced KKK.

02:02:15.680 No, no, no, no.

02:02:16.240 Let's look it up.

02:02:16.800 Let's look it up.

02:02:17.400 Maybe I'm quoting it wrong.

02:02:18.560 I might be wrong.

02:02:19.440 I think he said, I don't know about that group.

02:02:21.320 Before we pull it up, my question to you is.

02:02:23.220 Yes.

02:02:24.020 He said, I don't know what that is.

02:02:25.020 I don't want to say, quote it verbatim, so let's watch it together.

02:02:27.720 Trump, okay.

02:02:28.780 So then I don't.

02:02:29.060 Trump refusing to denounce the KKK.

02:02:30.260 While you look that up, do you understand the problem with that, though, if it's 2015 and

02:02:34.940 you're having a conversation with Trump and you're like, denounce David Duke, and he's

02:02:37.700 like, I don't know who that is.

02:02:38.860 And you're like, yeah, you do, because here's you denouncing him 15 years ago.

02:02:41.900 He didn't actually bring it up, right?

02:02:43.620 The point being, it's the same game.

02:02:45.300 They've been doing it for decades.

02:02:46.460 He gets bored of it.

02:02:47.400 They just wait for him to not give a sufficient answer one time.

02:02:49.780 And now eight years later, we're discussing it like it's relevant to his policy.

02:02:52.060 Why is it that every other Republican politician can easily give the answer of, yeah, no, I

02:02:54.380 don't like these white supremacist groups, but he struggles with it.

02:02:56.580 He did, as Tim said, 50 times.

02:02:57.340 No, he didn't.

02:02:57.840 It took him days to denounce him.

02:02:59.840 And we know about that one instance because that's the one that they got him.

02:03:02.220 And the KKK one, which is a completely different one, and also struggling to denounce

02:03:05.720 the Proud Boys, which is another one.

02:03:07.140 Like, this keeps happening, right?

02:03:08.220 So my question is, no, I'm not looking up, has Trump condemned white supremacists?

02:03:13.620 Well, hold on, hold on.

02:03:14.720 You're asking me to pull a single thing out of context.

02:03:17.360 It's not out of context.

02:03:18.220 I just searched for Tim Klan, white supremacy.

02:03:21.040 Look up the CNN clip with him talking, I think it's Jake Tapper, where he asked him, like,

02:03:24.800 hey, David Duke has endorsed you.

02:03:26.640 Will you just quickly denounce him?

02:03:27.760 Which any reasonable person...

02:03:28.920 I'm just pulling a bunch.

02:03:29.620 I'm going to pull up all of it.

02:03:30.520 Can you just bring up a bunch?

02:03:31.620 No, you've been talking back and forth.

02:03:33.840 This one's embarrassing, by the way.

02:03:35.060 I would love to.

02:03:37.120 I just Googled search and I'm pulling up all that comes up.

02:03:39.480 Well, I'd like to watch that one.

02:03:40.840 But I'm saying that the National Guard would be over.

02:03:42.840 There'd be no problem.

02:03:44.060 But they don't want to accept the National Guard.

02:03:46.000 You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and

02:03:52.480 other left-wing extremist groups.

02:03:54.860 But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that

02:04:01.480 they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities, as we saw in

02:04:07.520 Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland?

02:04:09.780 Are you prepared to specifically...

02:04:10.840 I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing.

02:04:17.100 So what are you saying?

02:04:18.840 I'm willing to do anything.

02:04:20.320 I want to see peace.

02:04:21.060 Well, then do it, sir.

02:04:21.960 Say it.

02:04:22.300 Do it.

02:04:22.740 Say it.

02:04:23.900 Do you want to call them...

02:04:25.220 What do you want to call them?

02:04:26.020 Give me a name.

02:04:26.640 Give me a name.

02:04:26.900 White supremacists and white supremacists.

02:04:28.840 White supremacists and white supremacists.

02:04:29.560 White supremacists and white supremacists.

02:04:30.680 Proud boys, stand back and stand by.

02:04:33.520 But I'll tell you what.

02:04:34.600 I'll tell you what.

02:04:35.280 Somebody's got to do something about it.

02:04:37.140 I think it's fair to say it was a gaffe.

02:04:41.360 Sure.

02:04:41.760 If you want to say he fucked up there, but then if we look at the pattern of him failing

02:04:45.260 to do this and we can please watch the KKK clip, which I think is even worse than that

02:04:48.600 one, which was bad, by the way, telling a white supremacist group to stand by and not,

02:04:52.800 hey, yeah, these people are evil and I hate them.

02:04:54.400 Like I said, you didn't want to do this because it was a smear tactic, but anyone asks any

02:05:00.580 of these Republican politicians, do you denounce the KKK?

02:05:03.060 Yeah.

02:05:03.440 Fuck them.

02:05:03.980 Right?

02:05:04.460 Easy.

02:05:05.380 Because obviously, versus someone who's clearly struggling to do this.

02:05:08.840 Now, by the way, I don't think this makes Trump a white supremacist.

02:05:11.540 I think this is literally just he is very hesitant to alienate his base, but that's bad if you're

02:05:17.860 emboldening these really, really bad groups.

02:05:19.800 That's not the full clip.

02:05:48.940 Yeah.

02:05:50.200 The full clip is much worse than that, too.

02:05:52.440 I'm trying to find it.

02:05:55.640 The only thing that comes up, I got to be honest, when I search for it, is that Trump

02:05:58.420 condemns white supremacy.

02:05:59.700 Okay.

02:06:00.040 Well, I promise you that's not all that's...

02:06:01.280 I do agree with you.

02:06:02.420 I can find it for you.

02:06:03.340 I do agree with you.

02:06:04.020 There's a longer clip.

02:06:04.600 He basically was like, I don't know what you're talking about.

02:06:05.980 I don't want to condemn him.

02:06:07.440 Trump, KKK, CNN, and then it's like Trump campaign denounces Klan.

02:06:11.920 Trump calls KKK Nazis repugnant.

02:06:14.880 Trump denounces David Duke, 2016.

02:06:17.720 I mean, here you go.

02:06:18.720 CNN politics.

02:06:19.580 Trump denounces David Duke, KKK.

02:06:21.600 Yeah, he did it eventually, I'm sure.

02:06:22.980 He's a bad person.

02:06:23.880 He eventually condemned white supremacists.

02:06:25.660 So, I...

02:06:27.340 Does it not raise any alarm bells?

02:06:29.720 I mean, I hate to do this.

02:06:31.660 I hate to do this on stream, but I know it's in my video.

02:06:34.640 If you go to my channel, you go to my most recent video, and you scroll to that exact

02:06:37.840 clip, we can watch the whole thing in full.

02:06:39.720 But you're correct.

02:06:41.880 Why don't you want to show the clip?

02:06:43.140 I can't find it.

02:06:44.120 Well, I just said, if you go to...

02:06:45.140 And also, I feel like...

02:06:45.720 I don't want to shamelessly promote myself, but if you go to my channel, it's in my most

02:06:48.600 recent video, The Soy Pill.

02:06:51.160 Like, I know because I just released this on Tuesday, so I watched it like a million times.

02:06:54.540 What I'm trying to do is find the actual raw clip.

02:07:02.200 I cut out the dead air of it, if that's what you're worried about.

02:07:06.280 For the same reason, I don't want to play the CBS Evening News clip.

02:07:10.320 I'm trying to find the actual raw clip of what Trump said.

02:07:12.960 That way, no one's going to say...

02:07:14.580 First of all, I agree with you.

02:07:15.780 You're correct.

02:07:16.500 That when Trump was asked about it, he was like, I don't know anything about it.

02:07:18.520 I don't want to...

02:07:19.200 And it was contentious, and then he came out later and said, I do condemn them.

02:07:23.200 Would you call that a gaffe?

02:07:25.260 No.

02:07:27.160 I'd call it inconsequential, I guess.

02:07:28.980 You don't think that that at all...

02:07:30.060 I have a transcript.

02:07:30.700 You don't think that at all emboldens the...

02:07:32.360 But it's NPR.

02:07:33.700 People don't trust them.

02:07:35.320 I don't know what group you're talking about.

02:07:36.680 You wouldn't want me to condemn a group.

02:07:37.700 I don't...

02:07:37.920 Oh, wait.

02:07:38.140 What is this?

02:07:39.880 I don't know anything about Dave...

02:07:41.100 Why don't they have the video in here?

02:07:43.000 I know I got the video from him.

02:07:43.980 Wait, hold on.

02:07:45.700 No.

02:07:50.380 I don't know, man.

02:07:52.280 Well, does that not bother me?

02:07:53.160 Does that not give you pause that someone you voted for is struggling to denounce a hate

02:07:56.660 group when every other person can immediately do it?

02:07:58.860 Let's just do this.

02:08:00.000 Well, answer the question.

02:08:01.660 I am.

02:08:02.500 And it's called No.

02:08:04.000 Because I typed in, Trump refuses KKK CNN.

02:08:07.100 Trump condemns all white supremacists.

02:08:08.740 Trump refuses to condemn white supremacists.

02:08:11.720 Donald Trump stumbles on David Duke KKK twice.

02:08:14.100 That's the one I pulled up.

02:08:15.580 Full interview.

02:08:16.280 Trump denounces KKK.

02:08:17.540 Trump, I totally disavowed the Ku Klux Klan.

02:08:19.420 Sure.

02:08:19.640 Like, this is just a political non-story as far as I'm concerned.

02:08:22.380 So when the groups come out afterwards when this happens and say, wow, we really feel

02:08:26.420 emboldened by this person.

02:08:27.520 And then you can see like a rising trend of these groups influence.

02:08:30.400 Like, I think that's a very demonstrabable material harm.

02:08:33.080 These people have no influence though, dude.

02:08:34.560 The Proud Boys used to be a drinking club.

02:08:36.200 Steve Bannon is an alt-right person.

02:08:38.280 He's like hired by Trump.

02:08:39.480 Steve Bannon is like a broadcaster.

02:08:41.640 No, he doesn't.

02:08:42.240 What do you mean?

02:08:42.580 Does he not complain to himself to be a proponent of the alt-right as he has since like 2016?

02:08:45.940 This is, oh man.

02:08:47.560 You know what's really challenging in the political space is like.

02:08:50.800 What about Steve Bannon isn't alt-right when he's co-tapped?

02:08:53.140 What does alt-right mean?

02:08:54.160 Alt-right, oh man.

02:08:55.140 To get me to define the concept of this.

02:08:56.960 Well, the AP has a, what do you mean when you say alt-right?

02:09:00.560 The AP guidelines have a definition of what alt-right is.

02:09:02.640 Okay.

02:09:02.940 And what's that?

02:09:03.600 White nationalist.

02:09:04.720 Okay.

02:09:05.240 Steve Bannon is not a white nationalist.

02:09:07.400 If that's the only criteria for it?

02:09:09.240 It is.

02:09:09.720 I think that he might still be, but I'd have to look into this.

02:09:11.660 He's not.

02:09:12.240 Okay.

02:09:12.580 Steve Bannon thinks we should tax the rich to oblivion.

02:09:15.760 He thinks there should be a wealth tax on billionaires.

02:09:17.640 Okay, but that doesn't, no, by the way, I already know this, but that doesn't make him

02:09:21.040 not right.

02:09:22.920 No, he's not alt-right.

02:09:24.520 Well, first of all, there are Nazbols, which are Nazis who are like super, super pro like

02:09:29.000 socialist weird policies, right?

02:09:30.440 Like you can have a economic left policy and be on the right.

02:09:33.240 We had Steve Bannon on the show and I asked him, I was like, you've been called white

02:09:37.720 nationalist.

02:09:38.320 He's like, I have.

02:09:39.540 And I was like, so he was playing dumb because of course he would know that, right?

02:09:43.860 We were specifically referring to alt-right as white nationalist.

02:09:48.340 And I was saying, they're claiming you're racist.

02:09:50.060 And he was like, I said, there's a viral post on Reddit right now.

02:09:53.040 It says, this is the face of white supremacy.

02:09:54.680 And he's like, I didn't realize they were saying that about me.

02:09:57.080 Was this like 2016?

02:09:58.520 Oh, no, no, no.

02:09:59.340 He came on the show in 2022.

02:10:01.340 So for five years of every mainstream media outlet reporting on him like that, and he's

02:10:06.580 never heard of that?

02:10:08.020 Have you ever watched his show?

02:10:09.340 I've never watched it.

02:10:10.200 Did you know that he's pro-wealth tax?

02:10:13.040 Wait, wait.

02:10:13.780 Can we not move on from the fact that-

02:10:15.240 We're not moving on.

02:10:15.820 I'm asking you about the policies of Steve Bannon.

02:10:18.020 Right.

02:10:18.360 And what you know about him.

02:10:19.460 I know that he wants to tax billionaires, right?

02:10:22.100 Why don't you like Steve Bannon?

02:10:24.080 Off the top of my head, I'd have to go look at all the articles that have been propagandized

02:10:27.700 into my brain to force me to have this narrative.

02:10:29.440 I can't remember right now.

02:10:30.100 Probably.

02:10:30.580 I mean, if you watch his show, you might be like, whoa, this guy's occupied Wall Street.

02:10:34.580 Yeah.

02:10:34.920 Okay.

02:10:35.480 I can have people-

02:10:36.700 Steve Bannon.

02:10:37.220 I call them a leftist.

02:10:38.480 No, hold on.

02:10:39.320 If he's occupied-

02:10:39.900 I call them a leftist.

02:10:41.220 Let's just say that he's like super mega leftist on this policy.

02:10:44.600 Then why is he in the Trump cabinet voting for the Trump policies that are not getting

02:10:48.640 us anywhere close to this?

02:10:50.820 Well, Bannon wants arrests.

02:10:52.960 Arrests for what?

02:10:53.740 He wants the government dismantled, broken, arrested.

02:10:56.500 But okay, look, no one is 100% aligned with one policy, one party.

02:11:01.200 I am on the left, I'm progressive, and I am pro-gun, right?

02:11:04.540 I have policies-

02:11:05.400 The left is pro-gun, though.

02:11:06.580 Well, to the far left.

02:11:07.600 No, the left is pro-gun.

02:11:08.680 Liberals are not.

02:11:09.380 Liberals in California are stupid anti-gun, right?

02:11:11.320 They're putting taxes on ammo or background checks on ammo, all this stupid shit.

02:11:14.360 I think that's dumb, right?

02:11:15.360 However, that doesn't make me not left.

02:11:16.820 So the thing is, there are key principles that I have, like progressive tax rates, welfare

02:11:21.180 state, that keep me in this party.

02:11:23.440 Hold on.

02:11:24.060 That keep me in this party.

02:11:25.180 If Steve Bannon has this leftist policy of taxing billionaires, but he's completely aligned

02:11:29.740 in voting for the right policy, this is not the thing that is the deal breaker for him.

02:11:34.160 This is not his principle value.

02:11:35.180 You can call him a liberal, but say he's on the right.

02:11:37.180 He's in the Trump cabinet helping Trump win, which is right.

02:11:40.800 He's not in the Trump cabinet.

02:11:41.740 He was in 2016.

02:11:42.920 Yeah, kicked out.

02:11:43.140 Okay, sure.

02:11:44.100 But the point is, the fact that who he...

02:11:46.100 Or he retired or whatever.

02:11:47.220 Yeah.

02:11:47.420 Who he...

02:11:47.800 I don't know if he got fired or whatever.

02:11:49.120 Yeah, like who he aligns with and who he votes for is his...

02:11:51.440 A bunch of liberals are on the right.

02:11:52.620 What is the...

02:11:53.180 If the...

02:11:53.520 Okay, look.

02:11:53.860 If I'm a right-wing person, if I say I'm right-wing because I vote for Trump, but I

02:11:57.800 support every other...

02:11:58.760 Taxation progressive.

02:12:00.740 I support gun rights progressive.

02:12:02.300 I want to ban all guns.

02:12:03.000 But abortion is my mainstream value.

02:12:05.260 Am I on the left or am I on the right?

02:12:06.840 So I vote...

02:12:07.560 You're saying if you're anti-gun?

02:12:08.540 Every single one of my policies is aligned with Bernie Sanders.

02:12:11.540 However, I think abortion should be illegal in all cases, so I vote for Donald Trump because

02:12:14.440 that's my delineating issue.

02:12:16.340 What party am I on?

02:12:18.120 What side of the aisle am I on?

02:12:19.760 We can talk about tribal or philosophy.

02:12:22.200 So you could...

02:12:22.580 What I'm talking about is...

02:12:23.340 I think you could be a liberal Republican.

02:12:25.040 You're voting for the material outcomes that are caused by the Republican Party.

02:12:27.880 So whether or not he wants to tax billionaires, he's voting for the party that is cutting

02:12:31.320 taxes on billionaires in this new bill that they passed in 2017.

02:12:34.380 So how does that make him on the left?

02:12:35.780 Steve Bannon?

02:12:38.340 Steve Bannon is helping out the party that is doing the opposite of this left-wing party.

02:12:43.040 Right?

02:12:43.300 You have to ask him to watch his show.

02:12:44.940 My point was that he advocates for taxing the billionaires.

02:12:48.000 Sure.

02:12:48.420 And if he's not doing anything to make that happen, why would that make him on the left?

02:12:52.220 Maybe he is.

02:12:52.980 I don't know.

02:12:53.360 He's not.

02:12:53.840 He's supporting Donald Trump.

02:12:55.640 Once again, this is why I say the left is a cult.

02:12:58.280 It's like a zero-sum reality.

02:12:59.440 This isn't zero-sum.

02:13:00.240 This is why do I vote the way I do?

02:13:01.860 You vote for Trump because you think that these policies that you want are going to happen.

02:13:05.880 Well, because they did.

02:13:07.480 Sure.

02:13:08.060 And what I'm saying is if you say, hey, I'm a liberal because X, Y, Z policy, but I vote

02:13:11.980 for the exact opposite person on all these other ones because, let's say this.

02:13:15.640 Because you're in a cult.

02:13:16.240 No, because your mainstream policy, you're delineating, like, this is my dividing line,

02:13:20.480 is no new wars, no new conflicts.

02:13:22.160 That's fine.

02:13:23.040 That's why you vote for Trump.

02:13:24.240 But then why pretend that you're a liberal on all these other things when you will vote

02:13:27.220 for the material opposite of all of that?

02:13:29.580 People have different weights to what they find to be more important than other things.

02:13:32.160 Exactly.

02:13:32.580 It's a hierarchy of what you want to happen, right?

02:13:34.760 This is why I'm also anti-death penalty and I don't go march for it.

02:13:37.120 Right.

02:13:37.320 But you are going to vote for the party that's going to try to reinstitute it, right?

02:13:40.120 Indeed.

02:13:40.840 Okay.

02:13:41.180 So that's what I'm saying.

02:13:41.540 Because some things are more important than others.

02:13:42.940 Right.

02:13:43.160 And if war is your delineating factor, that's fine.

02:13:46.260 Do you think woke cultism and critical ideologies are a threat to the existence of this United

02:13:52.300 States?

02:13:52.720 And that makes sense, then, why you would vote for Trump?

02:13:54.420 Because they think the same thing.

02:13:55.720 But that's not a progressive or liberal position, right?

02:13:58.420 It's a classically liberal position.

02:14:00.340 Okay, but it's not.

02:14:00.880 And traditionally liberal.

02:14:01.780 But it's not a liberal position.

02:14:02.880 Traditional liberals were not in favor of whatever the weird shit y'all are doing now,

02:14:06.000 like cutting kids' balls off.

02:14:08.400 Well, I don't...

02:14:09.140 I mean, trans stuff is new, but the point is that the policies of, like, 20 years ago...

02:14:12.640 That's my point.

02:14:13.440 20 years ago, if you went to a liberal and said...

02:14:15.540 Actually, we had a big video with, like, half a million views.

02:14:18.260 We talked about how in, like, 2010 or whatever, CollegeHumor made a video with Jack Black and

02:14:22.560 a bunch of celebrities where they said, you know, it was for Prop 8.

02:14:26.320 And then the fake conservatives in it said they'll teach kids about sodomy.

02:14:30.140 And the liberals go, that's a lie.

02:14:31.980 They'll teach kids about, like, gay sex?

02:14:34.040 But they do.

02:14:34.400 Why would they not do that?

02:14:35.460 So back in 2008, 2010...

02:14:38.200 I would disagree with that ad then, because, like, of course...

02:14:40.420 Oh, this is the point.

02:14:40.980 If you all have sex with sodomy, then why would you say, yeah, sex ed, but not for sodomy?

02:14:44.360 So liberals back then said, we are not going to teach kids about sodomy.

02:14:48.220 That's dumb.

02:14:48.800 And that's why 9 million Obama voters...

02:14:50.380 Do you disagree?

02:14:50.780 I think they should not teach children about sodomy.

02:14:52.940 Why not?

02:14:53.940 Children should not be taught about fetish, kink, things that can destroy your body.

02:14:57.480 Sodomy is not a fetish or a kink.

02:14:58.740 It's the way that primarily gay people have sex.

02:15:00.960 It's not sexual reproduction.

02:15:02.600 Okay.

02:15:03.100 It's sexual gratification.

02:15:04.160 Right.

02:15:04.360 But if you're trying to prepare children for the outside world, and this is something that might

02:15:08.300 happen if they're gay, don't you want them to be safe and know about it?

02:15:12.100 No, you shouldn't teach kids about gay anal sex.

02:15:13.560 There's not really a safe way to engage in that.

02:15:15.800 Anal sex in any circumstance is damaging to the body and can kill you.

02:15:19.160 Do you think that gay people should never have sex?

02:15:21.920 I...

02:15:22.440 You mean, like, anal sex?

02:15:23.880 Yeah.

02:15:24.380 That you should not have...

02:15:25.260 No one should.

02:15:25.720 Ask a doctor.

02:15:26.340 So, yeah, okay, so...

02:15:27.120 Go to a doctor and ask.

02:15:28.220 Okay, so if we have a philosophy on gay sex can cause harm, because it can.

02:15:32.800 Like, there are...

02:15:33.300 Yeah, they have colon cancers, they're incontinence, there's things that can happen.

02:15:35.580 Gastrointestinal infections, sepsis, and death.

02:15:37.420 So, bad things can happen.

02:15:38.420 So, if we're dealing with the reality of, okay, however, there exist all these gay people

02:15:41.760 that are having sex, wouldn't you rather them at least understand how to do that the

02:15:45.560 safest possible way than not do it at all?

02:15:47.980 We shouldn't.

02:15:48.680 Because you can't prevent it from happening, right?

02:15:50.660 We shouldn't.

02:15:51.220 You can't Thanos snap gay sex out of the world.

02:15:53.260 People like gay sex.

02:15:54.340 I'll say that.

02:15:55.000 People like gay sex.

02:15:55.220 You shouldn't teach children to have gay sex.

02:15:57.240 You're not teaching them to have gay sex.

02:15:58.780 You're saying, hey, if you are gay and you happen to have a gay encounter, this is the safest

02:16:02.600 way to do it.

02:16:03.160 Here, here's the thing.

02:16:03.600 Right, so don't do this.

02:16:04.860 Hold on.

02:16:05.160 They draw it out and, like, put it in the graphics and put it in the kids' book.

02:16:08.440 Bro, I'm a liberal, man.

02:16:09.680 Wait.

02:16:09.840 I don't think you should teach children to have gay sex.

02:16:11.880 Sorry.

02:16:12.220 I'm sorry.

02:16:12.900 You're a liberal, but you're saying the way that most, if not all, gay people engage

02:16:16.680 in sex with each other shouldn't be done.

02:16:18.240 That's not a liberal position.

02:16:21.420 Traditional liberalism.

02:16:22.300 Dude, come on.

02:16:22.920 Let's try this again.

02:16:23.640 No, you don't agree with the way that gay people have sex.

02:16:25.980 In the year 2000.

02:16:26.300 This is not...

02:16:27.280 Look.

02:16:27.480 Do you believe that if in 2004 you went to a Democrat and said we should teach children about having anal

02:16:32.360 sex, they would agree with you?

02:16:33.920 This is not what I said.

02:16:34.360 Yes or no?

02:16:35.140 You said that...

02:16:36.060 Yes or no?

02:16:36.360 We already agreed on this.

02:16:37.900 You said it was in the commercial.

02:16:38.420 So that's my position.

02:16:39.800 Yeah.

02:16:40.060 Stop acting like you can't comprehend these things.

02:16:41.760 You're saying that gay people shouldn't have gay sex.

02:16:44.160 People of any types, male or female, should not put things in their bum bums.

02:16:46.920 That's not a liberal position from 20 years ago.

02:16:48.660 No one said gay people shouldn't have sex.

02:16:50.260 They said we shouldn't teach it in schools, apparently, from this commercial.

02:16:52.480 People should not be putting stuff up their butt.

02:16:54.160 Okay.

02:16:54.380 Well, they're doing it.

02:16:55.200 And if they're doing it, I want them to be safe about it.

02:16:57.100 You know what else we don't talk about in school the kids shouldn't do?

02:16:59.680 Smoking.

02:17:00.400 You know the smoking cigarettes?

02:17:01.800 Hear me out.

02:17:02.740 Smoking cigarettes on average...

02:17:04.060 Are you going to start your little dare group and go talk about how gay sex is bad?

02:17:07.140 I was going to finish my point first, which was going to be that smoking cigarettes on

02:17:10.700 average takes 11 years off your life expectancy.

02:17:13.220 Not good.

02:17:13.700 Sodomy, being a practicing homosexual, removes 20 years on average from your life expectancy

02:17:18.520 because of the things he's mentioning, not to mention the proliferation of STIs within

02:17:22.380 the homosexual community and things of that nature.

02:17:23.940 You know what stops that is education.

02:17:25.320 That's not true, actually, though.

02:17:26.620 Unfortunately, I wish it were true, but it's not.

02:17:29.000 So, promoting unhealthy lifestyles to children is bad.

02:17:31.460 Telling people how to have safer sex doesn't stop the spread of STIs.

02:17:34.060 Clearly no.

02:17:34.900 What do you mean clearly no?

02:17:35.980 Because...

02:17:36.420 Is AIDS as big as it was in the 80s?

02:17:38.260 Because of massive viral subsidies, not because of condom proliferation.

02:17:41.680 What's the jackpot?

02:17:44.060 What's the jackpot?

02:17:44.120 What's the jackpot?

02:17:44.620 Black, a girl, or gay.

02:17:46.500 No, nothing could go wrong.

02:17:48.640 So join us in the song of happy days for the gays.

02:17:52.320 Nothing can go wrong.

02:17:56.960 Look, nobody's watching.

02:17:58.820 It's time to spread some hate and put it in the Constitution.

02:18:02.500 Now, how?

02:18:03.280 Proposition 8.

02:18:05.320 Proposition 8.

02:18:06.660 It's great.

02:18:07.780 People listen to our plea.

02:18:11.020 They'll teach kids about...

02:18:13.660 Sodomia.

02:18:15.800 Sodomia.

02:18:17.400 Sodomia.

02:18:20.140 This is making me hate the rules.

02:18:21.660 I hate theater.

02:18:22.800 That's a lie.

02:18:23.480 But it works, so we don't care.

02:18:25.840 And California said no.

02:18:26.920 That wasn't right, that's a lie, but it worked, so we don't care.

02:18:29.680 Now you are sitting here telling us that's a good thing to do.

02:18:32.000 I think it is good to teach people that if they're going to engage in sex a certain way,

02:18:34.920 they should do it safely.

02:18:35.780 We are in agreement of your worldview and my position from where I used to hang out with

02:18:40.520 these people in California, and you are on the other side of that.

02:18:43.620 And you're behind them.

02:18:45.140 I don't know where you're at.

02:18:45.780 Tim, my liberal, super progressive middle school, when they did drug education, they

02:18:50.040 did not teach us to do molly and cocaine and all this.

02:18:52.300 However, they had a very comprehensive slideshow of, here's every drug you might encounter,

02:18:56.140 because these things exist, all right?

02:18:57.840 These things are out there, and especially in San Francisco, there's a good chance that you

02:19:00.880 might find someone who's trying to sell it, and they're telling, hey, these are the risks

02:19:04.140 of these drugs.

02:19:04.880 These ones you should probably never, ever, ever do.

02:19:07.000 These are the risks.

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02:20:16.900 I find that exciting, not unsettling.

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02:20:25.380 thank you for telling me I'm not crazy, but I don't really doubt my own sanity.

02:20:30.700 I don't need affirmation and reassurance that my side or one side of the political or social

02:20:37.280 debate is right.

02:20:38.620 I'm more worried about being misinformed by lazily going along with the untested assumption

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02:20:51.500 Subscribe now, wherever you get your podcasts.

02:20:54.460 This one won't harm you, this one's addictive, and they gave a very good comprehension of

02:20:59.120 like how to deal with these things in real life.

02:21:01.200 And people are having gay sex, all right?

02:21:03.140 I don't know if you knew this, but gay guys love fucking each other in the ass.

02:21:05.860 It's like their favorite thing to do.

02:21:07.240 And so if they're going to go out and do that, I'd rather them be doing it safely than

02:21:10.120 say, hey, actually just don't do it because that's how abstinence education works.

02:21:13.620 I love how we've gone from like the conservative traditional position of abstinence education

02:21:19.820 and actual intercourse to, but what about shoving stuff up your ass?

02:21:25.340 Yeah, the thing that gave people to do when they have sex.

02:21:27.900 Dare didn't work.

02:21:29.560 Right, it didn't.

02:21:30.600 So teaching kids about drugs actually backfired.

02:21:33.700 Maybe we should have just been like, let's not bring it up.

02:21:35.500 I agree.

02:21:36.120 Dare was like this, hey, look out for this scary guy behind the fucking school.

02:21:40.340 You're right.

02:21:40.900 They should have been like, here's meth.

02:21:41.940 Here's how you do it safely.

02:21:42.640 That literally they're like, well, this one's really bad.

02:21:45.100 You probably should never touch this.

02:21:46.380 But however, this is what it looks like.

02:21:47.600 And this is the effects of it.

02:21:48.640 This is how you can avoid it, which is not what Dare did.

02:21:50.820 Dare was this very much this abstinence only type of thing to just say no.

02:21:53.780 It's a horrible, this is to my point.

02:21:55.560 You guys want to hear a funny story?

02:21:57.200 So in Chicago, when fentanyl was starting to become like pop up on the scene, there was

02:22:03.000 a fentanyl death on the South side where I lived.

02:22:05.860 And the local news did a breaking story.

02:22:08.780 At the corner of 63rd and Sacramento, an individual was found overdosed, having taken a super potent

02:22:16.000 super heroin, they're calling it, called fentanyl.

02:22:18.420 Okay.

02:22:18.980 The next day they were 16 dead.

02:22:20.820 You know why?

02:22:21.660 Because everyone went to try it?

02:22:22.880 Yeah.

02:22:23.780 Okay.

02:22:24.200 They said, everyone watch out for this crazy super heroin.

02:22:26.920 And people ran full speed to go get it.

02:22:28.820 Do you think those are heroin addicts though?

02:22:30.080 Because if I was a heroin addict and I heard there's a super heroin, I would immediately go

02:22:32.900 try it.

02:22:33.340 Yeah.

02:22:33.860 I don't know.

02:22:34.380 Probably.

02:22:34.760 This is different from like-

02:22:35.620 We are way over, so I do apologize, but we do got to wrap things up.

02:22:38.740 Okay.

02:22:39.100 But I do appreciate you coming.

02:22:40.260 It's always fun to have these conversations, as contentious as they may become.

02:22:43.800 So I do appreciate you coming and John-

02:22:45.900 Oh, this is a lot of fun.

02:22:46.740 Yeah, yeah.

02:22:47.020 We'll do more and hopefully we can have you come for one of our live shows.

02:22:49.520 Should I do a call out to the other leftist himbo that won't come on shows like this?

02:22:54.100 The himbo?

02:22:54.900 The Hassan Piker?

02:22:56.820 Should I call him out?

02:22:58.740 You don't have to call him out.

02:22:59.640 But I actually will defend Hassan because there are these personalities that I really

02:23:05.620 despise where every thumbnail they make is a random picture of Trump and then the title

02:23:10.020 is just Trump says bad thing, Trump does bad thing.

02:23:12.780 And it's not actually news.

02:23:13.700 It's like Trump looks disheveled and angry and they get millions of views, but Hassan

02:23:17.580 doesn't do that.

02:23:18.240 He actually talks about news stories.

02:23:19.560 He's just a leftist, so I respect it.

02:23:21.920 But shout out whatever you want to shout out.

02:23:23.300 Hopefully we can have you at our live shows in the future.

02:23:24.740 I'll call.

02:23:25.160 Yeah, I'm the soy pill on YouTube.

02:23:26.920 I do video essays.

02:23:27.620 If you think I was even remotely good faith here, please go watch them.

02:23:30.420 Although my most recent video does feature Trump.

02:23:33.120 Tim, look at his most recent video.

02:23:34.360 Yeah, exactly what you just described, which is Trump and the period is making his face

02:23:38.440 Hitler.

02:23:39.580 But yeah.

02:23:39.700 What is it, an argument?

02:23:41.240 Hmm?

02:23:42.080 My argument?

02:23:42.640 You heard most of my argument.

02:23:43.340 He's talking about the fine people thing, but the thumbnail is like Trump like this

02:23:46.280 and then he's got a Hitler on the back.

02:23:47.160 That's fine.

02:23:47.580 I'm saying like...

02:23:48.740 Like, oh, Donald Trump said this egregiously big gaffe and look how disheveled he looks in

02:23:52.960 this photo.

02:23:53.140 They just go, oh my God, Donald Trump was on the news today.

02:23:56.000 He looks crazy.

02:23:56.880 It's getting so bad.

02:23:58.000 Trump derangement syndrome is real.

02:23:59.260 My dad has it and I'm trying to cure him.

02:24:00.640 Perhaps he means something more like Trump had a bad day.

02:24:03.700 That is exactly what I was talking about.

02:24:05.540 That was the day of the election.

02:24:07.220 Yeah.

02:24:07.680 That was a fun one.

02:24:08.820 I really like that photo of him.

02:24:10.520 Yeah.

02:24:10.740 But again, like I have no problem with periodically you talk about Trump or criticize him.

02:24:16.800 That's fine.

02:24:17.820 Like your videos are...

02:24:20.960 You're talking about things.

02:24:22.100 You're making arguments.

02:24:23.020 I am.

02:24:23.420 Does the left hate America?

02:24:24.660 Yeah.

02:24:24.780 Does Trump incite violence?

02:24:25.580 It's like, that's what a toxic man...

02:24:26.960 That's all fine.

02:24:27.680 I'm fine with it.

02:24:28.760 I'm glad.

02:24:29.560 I'm saying like...

02:24:30.240 You should subscribe too.

02:24:31.020 You look at some of these channels, which I've named too often, and like every single

02:24:34.900 video is just a random screenshot of Trump.

02:24:37.460 Anyway, did you want to...

02:24:39.040 Oh yeah, no, let me call out Hassan Piker.

02:24:40.820 Hassan Piker, I challenge you for the throne of Twitch and the soul of America's young men.

02:24:46.300 You get these aspirations of anti-Semitism and being a himbo.

02:24:49.940 Well, I'll tell you what.

02:24:51.060 I'm a bigger himbo.

02:24:52.740 I'm Jewish and I'm more anti-Semitic than you because I have to live with Jews, okay?

02:24:57.220 While you were complaining about Israel and their bombing campaign in Gaza, I was there

02:25:02.000 on birthright having to listen to their stupid fucking arguments.

02:25:04.680 And you hold your swastika sword in front of Ethan Klein while I have felt the blade of

02:25:10.000 the circumcision knife, okay?

02:25:11.620 So no one is more anti-Semitic than me.

02:25:13.240 So I challenge you, Hassan, for the throne of himbo Twitch.

02:25:17.180 Meet me in the ring.

02:25:20.260 Well, how about you, John?

02:25:21.520 Yeah, you can find me at youtube.com slash John Doyle and I talk about stuff, not maybe

02:25:27.120 pertaining to the foreskin or lack thereof or anything like that, but it's a good time.

02:25:33.120 Right on.

02:25:33.620 Okay, we went a little bit over, but we've got to bounce now.

02:25:35.200 We are back tonight.

02:25:36.460 Tim Cast IRL.

02:25:38.560 Roseanne's going to be here.

02:25:39.280 It's going to be fun.

02:25:39.840 Thanks for hanging out.

02:25:40.400 We'll see you all then.

The Culture War - Tim Pool - June 06, 2025

Liberals Are SOY BOYS, Reject Masculinity, DEBATE Me w⧸ John Doyle & The Soy Pill

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