The Culture War - Tim Pool - June 19, 2025


MAGA CIVIL WAR, Loomer Calls Out Trump TRAITORS ft. Laura Loomer


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Laura Loomer joins me on the show to talk about whether or not she thinks President Trump should go to war with Iran, and why she thinks he should not. She also talks about how she thinks Tucker Carlson got paid by Qatar for an interview with their premier.

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00:01:55.420 We have this story from the Daily Beast.
00:01:58.440 Loomer threatens to snitch on conservatives criticizing Trump in raging MAGA civil war.
00:02:05.520 The MAGA conspiracy theorist declared herself the president's loyalty enforcer. 0.99
00:02:11.040 I got to hand it to Laura Loomer.
00:02:12.340 She has done some of the, I mean, massive breaking stories in the Trump administration.
00:02:19.920 Working like she's even uncovered people who have been leaking.
00:02:23.460 I think that's what would happen.
00:02:24.960 You know, we've had conversations here at Timcast quite a bit where we're actually like,
00:02:29.000 she's got access and she's breaking big stories.
00:02:32.180 So I'm curious, her position on Trump, Israel, Iran, the war,
00:02:36.500 as well as she recently put out a statement about Tucker Carlson and Qatar.
00:02:40.060 Now, she says Tucker received money from Qatar for an interview with their premier.
00:02:46.720 I don't know if that's correct.
00:02:48.880 It looks like a firm received the money to try and set the interview up.
00:02:53.620 But let's jump into the call with Laura.
00:02:57.700 And I'm really interested in hearing your insights on, as a staunch Trump supporter,
00:03:02.300 what is the current position for whether Trump wants to go to war or not?
00:03:06.360 So we're pulling this in now.
00:03:08.600 Let me see if I can get it all up and running.
00:03:12.440 And it is loading up and Laura is here.
00:03:15.460 Can you hear me, Laura Loomer?
00:03:18.060 Can you hear me?
00:03:19.240 Yes, I can.
00:03:20.060 Welcome.
00:03:20.380 What's going on?
00:03:21.420 Thanks.
00:03:21.840 Sorry.
00:03:22.380 My earpiece was malfunctioning there for a second.
00:03:25.300 Good to be with you.
00:03:26.200 Thanks for having me on.
00:03:27.200 Thanks for joining.
00:03:28.120 There's a story in the Daily Beast saying that you're threatening to snitch on conservatives in this MAGA civil war over support for Trump.
00:03:36.460 And I got a bug flying around in what's going on with Israel and Iran.
00:03:40.580 I guess the first thing I want to ask you is, you know, as probably Trump's biggest supporter,
00:03:45.640 what is your view on the Israel-Iran conflict as to whether or not we should or should not be involved militaristically?
00:03:52.480 Well, I've never advocated for troops on the ground in Iran.
00:03:55.380 I've never advocated for war with Iran.
00:03:57.040 But what's really concerning to me, Tim, and what is confusing and perplexing and is that the focus of this whole debate that's erupted online
00:04:06.940 is people's sudden displeasure with President Trump over a policy that has defined President Trump and his campaign
00:04:15.400 since the inception of his campaign 10 years ago exactly to the date two days ago or three days ago.
00:04:21.740 And so this isn't something that has caught people by surprise.
00:04:25.280 President Trump has always stated since before even announcing his run for president in June of 2015
00:04:32.440 that he was against Iran ever having access to a nuclear weapon.
00:04:37.500 He has always been critical of the Iranian nuclear deal, JCPOA, under the Obama administration.
00:04:43.640 And in fact, this is what really created the major conflict and the rift between Barack Hussein Obama
00:04:51.020 and Donald Trump that led to Barack Hussein Obama mocking Donald Trump at the White House Correspondence Center,
00:04:57.240 his constant attacks over Obama's handling of Iran that led to Donald Trump then deciding he was going to prove Obama wrong
00:05:06.140 when he mocked him and his possible plans to run for president.
00:05:08.800 So the problem here is this is what happens when you have coalition building.
00:05:13.160 And this is why it doesn't ever work. During the campaign, everybody was so gung ho about, you know,
00:05:19.080 inviting people like Tulsi Gabbard and RFK into the party.
00:05:22.220 And they said it was going to be great and that we needed to expand the tent.
00:05:25.480 But the reality is, Tim, when you expand the tent, you have unrealistic expectations
00:05:30.220 and you cater to people that have never really ideologically been aligned with the MAGA movement.
00:05:36.160 And then those people come in and they try to hijack the MAGA movement for what they want it to be,
00:05:41.380 as opposed to supporting the man and the vision that is MAGA and America First.
00:05:45.940 And so we're witnessing a hostile takeover of the Trump administration, in my opinion,
00:05:51.560 by individuals in the Democrat Party who are now trying to LARP as MAGA, right?
00:05:58.480 A lot of these people that are some of the biggest critics online, they came out of nowhere during the last campaign season.
00:06:03.240 They have very astroturf social media followings.
00:06:06.580 Some of these people may or may not be being paid by foreign governments like Qatar, like Iran.
00:06:12.040 We have seen that there are lobbyists that are now being paid, right?
00:06:16.320 One of these lobbyists is a group called Luminate Advisors that is being paid to orchestrate
00:06:21.400 interviews with the prime minister of Qatar and people like Tucker Carlson.
00:06:26.060 So there's a lot of actual propaganda on behalf of Islamic regimes out there
00:06:31.980 that is intended to undermine President Trump and his foreign policy.
00:06:35.760 And I think it's important that we be honest about who's been here since the beginning,
00:06:40.340 what President Trump's message has been since the beginning,
00:06:42.740 and who's financing this opposition to Donald Trump.
00:06:47.420 It's interesting.
00:06:48.760 It's true.
00:06:49.320 There was a video.
00:06:50.400 Someone mentioned this clip where Trump said back in the 80s,
00:06:53.060 like one of his first political statements was Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.
00:06:57.000 And it was in relation to the hostage crisis.
00:07:01.280 And there's like this compilation video someone made.
00:07:04.000 It's 16 minutes of Trump saying Iran will never get a nuclear weapon.
00:07:07.000 He won't allow it.
00:07:08.380 And I wonder if there's a distinction, though, between people who are concerned about
00:07:12.820 intervention in Iran and boots on the ground.
00:07:16.540 And then a difference between obstructing what Trump is trying to do.
00:07:20.460 So I know you mentioned Tucker Carlson.
00:07:22.620 He's kind of been the biggest voice in opposition to getting involved in this conflict.
00:07:28.540 But I haven't seen everything he said in the matter other than he said Trump was complicit
00:07:33.700 in this war, which is it's kind of a bold thing to accuse Trump of doing when Trump was
00:07:38.060 negotiating peace.
00:07:39.880 And even Tucker said that the Trump is actually this is really fascinating.
00:07:43.540 Tucker said in his interview, I believe, with Ted Cruz and he had another statement.
00:07:49.500 I can't remember what it was with that the Trump administration was negotiating in good
00:07:53.000 faith with Iran and that the Trump administration has not was not working on these strikes.
00:07:59.880 But then he also tweeted that Trump was complicit in the war.
00:08:04.360 That seems contradictory.
00:08:05.840 I'm curious your thoughts on that.
00:08:07.920 Well, I think that everything about Tucker Carlson is completely fake.
00:08:11.080 This is a guy who has been able to capitalize off of raw meat, right, raw red meat talking
00:08:18.420 points to the MAGA base.
00:08:19.900 This is a guy who has been able to LARP as a Trump supporter and LARP as a mouthpiece for
00:08:25.860 the so-called America First movement while he's been entirely against President Trump from
00:08:31.360 the beginning.
00:08:32.140 And it's important for people to hold these mouthpieces accountable for their actual statements.
00:08:37.120 For example, in the aftermath of the stolen election in 2020, what did Tucker Carlson do,
00:08:42.800 right?
00:08:43.000 He was texting with his producer, Alex Pfeiffer, who is now working inside the Trump administration, 1.00
00:08:49.040 ironically, talking about how Donald Trump supporters are a bunch of cousin fuckers and 1.00
00:08:53.880 they're a bunch of terrorists, right? 1.00
00:08:55.560 Calling and you can pull this up.
00:08:57.160 I think that it's really important.
00:08:58.560 And it's one of the things that I actually admire about your show, Tim, is that you you
00:09:02.940 do live fact checking and you pull it up on your screen and you let people see it in real
00:09:07.000 time.
00:09:07.460 And so it's important for people to see that Tucker Carlson stated in his text messages
00:09:11.720 to his own producer that he profusely hated Donald Trump.
00:09:15.860 He hates Trump. 1.00
00:09:17.120 And it wasn't until he was actually fired by Fox News that he was like, holy shit, Donald 1.00
00:09:22.840 Trump could kill my career with a single truth social post. 0.98
00:09:25.700 And he decided to come groveling back and say that he's always been in support of President
00:09:30.680 Trump.
00:09:31.140 He's always supported Donald Trump.
00:09:32.720 He's he loves Donald Trump.
00:09:34.480 Right.
00:09:34.780 But that's that's a really stark contrast from then your text messages calling his supporters 1.00
00:09:39.560 a bunch of cousin fuckers and terrorists and saying that Donald Trump should be held 1.00
00:09:44.860 accountable for January 6th and saying that you hate Donald Trump. 1.00
00:09:48.800 And so there's a lot of a lot of this this sense of urgency, right, with with the with the
00:09:54.500 shifting media landscape.
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00:10:21.480 Save the everyday with deals from Amazon, Tim, where a lot of people are finding that they're
00:10:27.880 not really welcome in mainstream media anymore.
00:10:29.960 It's kind of a dying breed of journalism.
00:10:33.000 People are monetizing a lot more in independent media.
00:10:36.200 And if you feel that the MAGA base is going to turn on you or you feel that Donald Trump
00:10:41.500 could torpedo your entire career with a single post, you know, what's going to stop you from
00:10:46.280 shape shifting or pretending to be someone that you're not in order to maintain your audience
00:10:50.380 and be able to pay your bills?
00:10:52.940 And that's what Tucker Carlson is doing, in my opinion.
00:10:55.680 And there's many clips that you can show from Tucker Carlson years ago.
00:10:59.760 There was a there was an article written in The Atlantic.
00:11:01.840 Not that The Atlantic is a trustworthy source, but they're quoting Tucker's own words in which 0.54
00:11:06.780 he said, I believe that Iran needs to be annihilated. 0.86
00:11:09.820 I believe that we need to, you know, overthrow these mullahs. 1.00
00:11:13.120 I believe that the Ayatollah needs to be taken out. 0.99
00:11:16.180 He said these things.
00:11:17.460 You can go play the clips.
00:11:18.860 There was a 16 minute long compilation that was being shared on on on X yesterday of all the
00:11:24.700 times that Tucker Carlson has talked about how Iran is a threat to Western civilization.
00:11:29.840 Iran is an Islamic supremacist regime. 0.96
00:11:32.200 The Ayatollahs need to be taken out. 1.00
00:11:34.480 The Iranian people should implement their own regime change and overthrow the Ayatollahs. 0.86
00:11:39.480 So why is Tucker Carlson all of a sudden changing his views on this?
00:11:45.340 Why are people in MAGA?
00:11:47.280 Why did they cheer when Donald Trump had airstrikes conducted on Qasem Soleimani, an Iranian terrorist?
00:11:53.300 Why did people in MAGA cheer when Donald Trump did airstrikes on al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS?
00:11:59.780 And they said, oh, it's so funny.
00:12:02.020 Donald Trump said he died like a dog.
00:12:04.060 This is so based.
00:12:05.060 I love Donald Trump.
00:12:06.160 How is that any different than Donald Trump talking about, you know, premeditated or preemptive
00:12:11.720 airstrikes on Iran's nuclear facilities or potentially bunker busting the Ayatollah himself?
00:12:18.280 This is interesting.
00:12:20.480 It seems like there's been a shift over the past several years among many prominent personalities
00:12:26.160 who are saying that they were conservative or Trump supporting.
00:12:29.960 There's a bit of a distinction, I suppose, but I largely agree with you.
00:12:33.540 I think Soleimani was in Iraq at the time.
00:12:36.500 Minor difference, I suppose.
00:12:38.740 When Trump said—
00:12:39.920 What's the difference, though?
00:12:40.860 I thought they're trying to say that an airstrike is a full-blown declaration of war.
00:12:46.840 So are they saying that we reignited war in Iraq?
00:12:50.420 Are they saying that we reignited war in Syria?
00:12:52.680 They say that Donald Trump is the president of no new wars.
00:12:56.540 So how can you say that Donald Trump is the president of no new wars, which I agree with,
00:13:01.160 and say that the airstrikes on Qasem Soleimani and the airstrikes conducted on al-Baghdadi
00:13:07.700 and ISIS leaders wasn't a new war in the Middle East?
00:13:11.060 But then you're trying to say the airstrikes on—and look, the United States hasn't even
00:13:15.320 gotten involved yet, right?
00:13:16.380 The United States hasn't even conducted airstrikes.
00:13:18.360 So they're trying to undermine Donald Trump.
00:13:22.020 Some people, like Dave Smith, went as far—and he's buddies with Tucker Carlson.
00:13:25.680 Tucker thinks he's amazing.
00:13:26.680 Dave Smith went as far as calling for Donald Trump to be impeached.
00:13:31.280 Impeached over what?
00:13:32.680 Donald Trump hasn't gotten involved in the conflict in Iran.
00:13:37.100 He has always been consistent in saying that we need to make sure that Iran does not have 1.00
00:13:41.980 access to a nuclear weapon.
00:13:43.980 He has instructed Tom Homan and Kirstie Noem over at DHS to secure our borders and to work
00:13:49.780 with Kash Patel, our new FBI director, and to work with Dan Bongino to identify or try to
00:13:55.760 locate some of these 2 million gotaways that came in under Biden's administration, open
00:14:01.240 borders.
00:14:01.760 Many of those 2 million individuals are Iranian proxies.
00:14:05.500 They are Iranian proxies in Hamas and Hezbollah who want to hide in the shadows. 0.85
00:14:12.780 They deliberately took steps to not be detected so that they could get into our country and 0.99
00:14:18.760 create their own sleeper cells, probably for the sake of being activated by the Ayatollahs, 0.95
00:14:23.800 by the Iranian regime, and attacking the United States in another 9-11 style attack.
00:14:28.360 I just had Tom Homan on my show last week, and he said it's his belief that majority of
00:14:33.260 those individuals are Islamic jihadists.
00:14:35.620 And it's his greatest fear that keeps him awake at night is the fact that we have Hamas and 1.00
00:14:40.100 Hezbollah terror cells in all 50 states in our country who are plotting who could be activated
00:14:44.740 at any moment to kill Americans.
00:14:46.380 I think a really great point you made, something I noticed, Trump hasn't even done anything 0.96
00:14:51.600 yet, right?
00:14:53.060 We haven't even done anything.
00:14:54.700 We've seen some refueling tankers be repositioned across Europe.
00:15:00.080 I'm hoping that Trump is pulling the big ask.
00:15:03.000 It looks daunting to Iran.
00:15:05.240 Trump is making all these moves, but he's not done anything.
00:15:07.140 But I'm seeing all these attacks like, Dave Smith calling for the impeachment of Trump.
00:15:13.120 Trump hasn't done anything.
00:15:14.400 Or Tucker saying that Trump's complicit in this war.
00:15:16.560 And I'm like, guys, I got liberals tweeting at me saying, did you vote for this, Tim?
00:15:21.260 And I'm like, but Trump is not Israel.
00:15:24.600 Israel launched a strike.
00:15:25.800 Right.
00:15:26.160 But let me focus on what you just said, too.
00:15:29.520 Isn't it kind of ironic how—and I'm America first.
00:15:33.040 I'm pro-Israel, but I'm not asking for us to get involved in this conflict between Israel
00:15:38.240 and Iran.
00:15:39.020 You can be pro-Israel and be America first. 0.87
00:15:42.040 This notion that you cannot support Israel, or you have to be completely anti-Israel, or
00:15:47.460 foaming at the mouth over Jewish conspiracies, that's what you called it, Israel derangement 0.94
00:15:51.920 syndrome.
00:15:52.600 There is serious Israel derangement syndrome that has taken over many mainstream elements
00:15:57.860 within the GOP.
00:15:59.220 And it crosses foreign policy disagreements.
00:16:02.220 I'm not saying that you're an anti-Semite if you are critical of Israel.
00:16:05.960 You can be critical of Israel all you want.
00:16:08.120 You are not an anti-Semite if you are critical of AIPAC.
00:16:10.760 I've been critical of AIPAC.
00:16:12.100 I mean, honestly, AIPAC campaigned against me.
00:16:14.680 And I am a pro-Israel Jewish Republican woman, right?
00:16:17.540 So I don't understand why they campaigned against me, but they did.
00:16:21.340 So you can be against the ADL and not be an anti-Semite.
00:16:25.080 But when you start cheering for Iran to nuke Israel, when you start cheering for Iran to 0.90
00:16:33.120 win this conflict simply because you have an irrational hatred for Israel, that's where
00:16:37.560 we start crossing over into the line of blatant Jew hatred. 0.96
00:16:41.120 And a lot of these people hate Jews. 0.72
00:16:43.520 They don't want to admit it. 0.95
00:16:44.400 They do.
00:16:44.740 I'm not I'm not saying everyone who's a critic of Israel is a Jew hater, but a lot of the
00:16:48.740 people who have large followings online want an excuse to blame Israel for everything.
00:16:54.440 And they're trying to say that our country is going to be destroyed and Donald Trump's
00:16:58.340 presidency is going to be destroyed because of Israel. 0.98
00:17:02.040 Well, if we're America first, why are you trying to control the actions of Israel? 0.80
00:17:06.900 If you're truly America first, shouldn't you be OK with Israel finishing the job in Gaza? 0.94
00:17:11.820 Shouldn't you be OK with Israel bombing Gaza?
00:17:14.680 Shouldn't you be OK with Israel striking Iran and perhaps assassinating the the supreme 0.95
00:17:20.880 leader of Iran?
00:17:22.240 Isn't that America first policy to let other countries handle their own political and global
00:17:26.880 affairs?
00:17:27.760 It seems like these people really aren't America first because if they were America first,
00:17:31.760 they wouldn't be trying to dictate what Israel does.
00:17:34.100 Go let Israel go let Israel bomb Gaza. 0.93
00:17:36.500 Go let Israel bomb Iran. 0.99
00:17:38.540 What does that have to do with the United States of America?
00:17:40.760 I agree.
00:17:41.440 I call them Israel first rather derisively because it seems like they're more concerned 1.00
00:17:45.920 about the foreign policy pertaining to Israel than America's own borders or the terror cells
00:17:50.020 that may have come across the southern border.
00:17:51.780 So people come to me and with all due respect to these people, you know, whatever, whatever
00:17:56.440 respect may be due.
00:17:57.440 You're allowed, like you said, criticize Israel all day, whatever.
00:18:00.780 You're allowed to do that.
00:18:01.800 Do it.
00:18:02.220 Yeah.
00:18:02.400 My issue was they would criticize Israel when we're talking about Ukraine or we're talking
00:18:07.840 about southern border.
00:18:08.480 And I said, if you care more about Israel's policies instead of our southern border and
00:18:12.940 what Trump is doing and what the Democrats want to do, I think you firstly care about
00:18:17.420 Israel.
00:18:18.420 That being said, I do want to bring up something.
00:18:21.060 You had a series of tweets about Tucker.
00:18:22.660 You mentioned Luminate.
00:18:23.520 But your tweets insinuate Tucker was paid himself $200,000.
00:18:29.340 It appears from the far of forms that Luminate was paid $200,000, not Tucker.
00:18:34.880 I don't know if you had a clarification on that or what you would.
00:18:38.560 Look, I think that everybody in conservative media, yourself included, knows how this process
00:18:44.040 works, Tim.
00:18:44.640 And I think that we all are aware of the fact that there are lobbyists and there are influencer
00:18:50.240 companies and there are lobbyists who serve as intermediaries between pundits, between
00:18:55.740 politicians and social media influencers for the sake of either transferring funds or initiating
00:19:02.480 interviews that are supposed to look kosher but are really, at the end of the day, not
00:19:06.600 so kosher.
00:19:07.360 And so regardless, Tucker Carlson, whether you want to say that the money went to Tucker
00:19:12.440 or not, right, we haven't seen any of their bank statements.
00:19:15.760 Why don't they open up their accounts?
00:19:17.120 Why don't they show us who paid for Tucker Carlson's hotel rooms and his travel for him
00:19:21.720 and his staff to Qatar?
00:19:23.400 Because somebody paid for it.
00:19:24.580 And if you look at the contract that I uncovered from Luminate, which is available in FARA,
00:19:29.400 you can clearly see that per their contract, it says that the consultants needs to be present
00:19:34.900 for all of the interviews.
00:19:36.160 So the Luminate representative was clearly present for all of the interviews.
00:19:39.300 They list their point of contact as Tucker Carlson himself.
00:19:43.600 They don't list Neil Patel of Tucker Carlson Network.
00:19:46.980 They don't list any of Tucker Carlson's staff or his producers or some media affairs person.
00:19:52.260 They actually list Tucker Carlson himself as the point of contact between the lobbyist and
00:19:57.120 the prime minister of Qatar, Al-Thani, who wanted this interview for the sake of placing
00:20:03.620 Qatari propaganda on Tucker Carlson's show as it related to discussing war with Iran and
00:20:09.440 how Qatar is not involved or they're trying to stop the war, when we know that's a lie.
00:20:17.180 We already know that Qatar is one of the biggest sponsors of Islamic terrorism in the world.
00:20:22.500 This is why I was so outspoken when President Trump went to Qatar.
00:20:25.840 And some people were like, oh, why are you so outspoken about this?
00:20:28.620 Because we need to be honest about what these countries are doing.
00:20:31.800 They shouldn't just be allowed to wine and dine everybody and, you know, show up with Rolexes
00:20:37.580 and show up with planes and, you know, write checks and sponsor galas and throw their Arab 0.83
00:20:43.180 money around.
00:20:44.160 And then everybody turn a blind eye to the fact that they are literally housing the leaders
00:20:48.860 of Hamas in Doha, where they let them live in luxurious penthouses and they let them go 1.00
00:20:54.720 on shopping sprees and evade airstrikes.
00:20:57.360 They're literally hiding out in Qatar to protect these people from being killed by Mossad or
00:21:03.160 killed by the IDF.
00:21:04.580 That's why they allow them to have a safe haven in Qatar. 0.97
00:21:08.240 Those people are killing Americans.
00:21:09.980 There's a reason why Donald Trump killed Qasem Soleimani.
00:21:13.020 Qasem Soleimani murdered U.S. soldiers.
00:21:15.540 He murdered U.S. military members.
00:21:17.920 And Qatar finances those same Iranian proxies and Hamas and Hezbollah, and they are involved 0.61
00:21:24.940 in the same terrorist activities that the Iranian regime is involved in, in not just
00:21:29.480 attacking Israel, but also attacking Western civilization and killing Americans. 0.85
00:21:34.900 They're also the largest funders of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim Brotherhood, which should 1.00
00:21:39.000 be designated as a terrorist organization. 0.59
00:21:41.260 In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood is designated as a terrorist organization in places like Saudi
00:21:46.100 Arabia, Jordan, and the United Arab Emirates.
00:21:49.140 Now, don't you think that we should be taking the advice, heeding the advice of these Muslims 1.00
00:21:53.660 who President Trump is meeting with if they tell us that somebody is a terrorist?
00:21:57.140 That is why the Saudis cut off relations with Qatar for such a long time, because they are
00:22:03.000 funding Hamas.
00:22:04.300 They are funding Hezbollah. 0.73
00:22:06.020 And they are funding the Muslim Brotherhood, which is designated as a terrorist organization
00:22:10.320 in many countries, including Jordan.
00:22:12.280 Well, I want to ask you, though, all of these personalities that seem to have shifted in
00:22:18.280 the past couple of years towards an Israel-critical view, it seemed, there seems to be some kind
00:22:27.420 of, I don't want you to call it like a movement, but many personalities have adopted this strong
00:22:31.360 position recently.
00:22:32.940 You mentioned that there's this Luminate, they're making points of contact with Tucker, they're
00:22:37.380 connecting these interests, they're making these things happen.
00:22:39.240 Do you think there's a concerted effort from foreign influences to get conservatives to
00:22:46.220 be anti-Israel or?
00:22:47.880 Absolutely.
00:22:48.720 We already know that China gets a lot of their oil from Iran.
00:22:52.360 Xi Jinping just said that he's going to be sending military equipment to Iran.
00:22:56.380 He's already expressed that he's very anti-Israel.
00:22:59.220 You want to take a guess as to who the two largest donors of foreign money to American universities
00:23:05.120 and institutions over the last four years in our country have been?
00:23:09.600 Just take a guess.
00:23:10.400 The two countries.
00:23:11.540 I'd say China? 0.76
00:23:12.480 Qatar? 0.56
00:23:13.600 China and Qatar.
00:23:15.040 So between 2021 and 2024, China and Qatar, okay?
00:23:20.280 And there's some other countries, but the bulk of these funds have come from China and Qatar.
00:23:24.360 $29 billion in foreign money has made its way into American institutions and mostly American
00:23:31.540 universities between 2021 and 2024.
00:23:34.160 That's foreign money.
00:23:35.440 Most of that money coming from Qatar and China.
00:23:38.240 And so why do we see all of these pro-Palestinian?
00:23:42.820 And it's not just pro-Palestinian.
00:23:44.900 It's pro-Hamas. 1.00
00:23:45.980 It's pro-Islamic jihad. 0.99
00:23:47.760 Okay.
00:23:47.920 They have found that some of these students, and I've covered some of these protests on campuses
00:23:53.020 as well, are waving Hamas flags.
00:23:55.000 They're wearing Al-Quds flags. 0.66
00:23:56.280 They're wearing Hamas bandanas.
00:23:57.780 They're waving Hezbollah flags.
00:23:59.460 I was physically assaulted on the streets of New York City when I was reporting on the
00:24:03.060 Columbia protests by a woman who was wearing a Hamas bandana while carrying a Hezbollah
00:24:08.660 flag.
00:24:09.080 She shoved the flag in my face. 1.00
00:24:10.700 She tried to poke my eyeball out with a Hezbollah flag. 1.00
00:24:13.780 And so the reality is, is that a lot of the destabilization in our country and a lot of
00:24:19.140 the anti-Trump movement, it doesn't matter if the Qataris say, oh, you know, President 0.87
00:24:23.380 Trump, thank you so much for being the first president to ever come to Qatar.
00:24:27.340 You're so amazing.
00:24:28.040 Let's roll out the camels and the horses and throw this whole big spectacle together for 0.94
00:24:33.860 you and your staff.
00:24:34.860 And, oh, we're going to push you up in the St. Regis.
00:24:37.480 It's a five-star hotel.
00:24:38.700 We're going to treat you like a king.
00:24:39.820 It doesn't matter.
00:24:40.960 It doesn't matter what they say and what they do.
00:24:42.960 Because what people need to understand is that in Islam, there's this concept of permissible
00:24:47.640 lying.
00:24:48.180 There's this concept of taqiyah in which Muslims are permitted to lie to non-Muslims for the sake 0.94
00:24:53.640 of advancing the goals and the causes of Islam.
00:24:56.000 And we know that Qatar is funding the Muslim Brotherhood.
00:24:59.380 They're funding all of the jihadist organizations here in America that are assaulting Jewish students 0.53
00:25:04.760 on campus. 0.63
00:25:05.900 Assault. 0.98
00:25:06.340 It's not just Jews either. 0.76
00:25:07.360 This is not a Jewish issue.
00:25:08.660 This is an issue of Western civilization.
00:25:11.220 And if the Christians and the Christian nationalists and the Catholics think that this is like a case
00:25:16.240 of the crocodile is going to eat me last, you are sorely mistaken.
00:25:21.600 What starts with the Jews doesn't end with the Jews. 0.90
00:25:23.460 And people need to stop framing this issue of Islamic subversion and Islamic infiltration of our country
00:25:30.720 and the use of Islamic and Chinese money.
00:25:33.220 We know that the Iranians and the Chinese are working together to undermine the Trump administration.
00:25:38.380 This is a concerted effort to topple Western civilization.
00:25:41.780 So you can post your little edgy tweets about how, oh, it's Hasbara, right? 0.99
00:25:47.040 Let's deport the Jews to Israel. 1.00
00:25:49.520 You can post all that stuff all you want. 0.98
00:25:52.080 But at the end of the day, you're going to find yourself getting on your knees. 1.00
00:25:55.220 And some Muslim is going to have a gun to your head and they're going to say convert or die. 0.99
00:26:00.700 And you're just going to have to look back and admit that you, I'm not saying you, 0.99
00:26:04.820 but the people that are engaged in this propaganda and these foreign influence campaigns
00:26:08.260 played a role in the end of Western civilization, played a role in their own demise.
00:26:13.700 Do you think that these personalities are getting paid directly by Qatar or lobbying groups?
00:26:19.080 I think that they're using lobbyist groups and cutouts.
00:26:21.260 I mean, look, you know, there's a lot of ways to funnel money to somebody, OK, to have it
00:26:26.760 off the books.
00:26:27.360 You could have intermediaries who themselves are paid by foreign governments, and then
00:26:31.580 they themselves can pay people through shell companies.
00:26:35.480 They can pay them through LLCs.
00:26:37.420 They can pay them through crypto.
00:26:39.560 We already know the department.
00:26:40.660 And I'm not anti-crypto, but we do know that that a lot of these Islamic regimes are using 0.99
00:26:45.780 crypto to funnel money to social media influencers.
00:26:49.820 The DOJ has already identified this.
00:26:52.100 And it's not just Islamic countries, too.
00:26:53.960 It's Russia. 0.81
00:26:55.020 There's all types of countries that are involved.
00:26:57.240 And I know you found yourself at the center of, you know, stories attacking you, accusing
00:27:01.560 you of taking foreign money.
00:27:03.160 And so, you know, right, you and I'm not attacking you.
00:27:06.560 I'm just saying, you know, right from the attacks that you yourself were subjected to
00:27:10.520 that there are foreign influence campaigns that either are paying certain people or they're
00:27:15.480 trying to target certain conservatives to either get them to be mouthpieces.
00:27:18.940 Under the guise of news, under the guise of podcasting, under the guise of communication,
00:27:25.080 but it's a lot more sinister than that.
00:27:27.440 You know, I'll tell you something.
00:27:29.120 One of the tricks they use on YouTube when you run ads, I've been talking to people for
00:27:33.740 a long time.
00:27:34.760 You can choose to run ads on a targeted channel.
00:27:37.780 So you can go to Google Ads and you can say, I want to put $10,000 in ad spend on this
00:27:42.140 one channel only.
00:27:43.560 And what that means is you're outbidding all the other advertisers to appear on that channel.
00:27:49.140 You're effectively giving that money to that channel's operator.
00:27:52.820 So when we talk about foreign influence operations, they usually have these circuitous stories.
00:27:58.560 The one involving me, for instance, I would never personally accept money.
00:28:02.880 My business would never accept money.
00:28:04.700 And I wouldn't go anywhere near money that was intended to impugn my honor or manipulate
00:28:09.380 my opinions in any way.
00:28:10.260 That being said, what these countries can do and lobbying groups can do is they can find
00:28:16.160 someone, let's say, what interests me about this is the sudden change over the past few
00:28:20.700 years of opinion on these issues.
00:28:23.720 What happens is, I've been talking about this for a while.
00:28:27.820 There are some creators who I will just not name, I don't want to start drama, I want to
00:28:32.760 explain the issue.
00:28:34.040 They'll talk about, let's say, cooking.
00:28:36.900 It's a kitchen cooking show.
00:28:38.100 But then they end up making one video about Israel-Palestine because it's prominent in
00:28:43.200 the news.
00:28:44.160 And then they get a million views.
00:28:46.100 And they say, wow.
00:28:47.400 The next thing you know, they make another video about it.
00:28:49.440 A month later, the only thing they're doing is talking about Israel and they're usually
00:28:53.580 critical of it.
00:28:54.760 What happens is...
00:28:55.920 Or they go on a nice little trip and they go to Dubai or they go to Qatar and they're
00:29:01.260 getting paid cash.
00:29:02.340 But that's the overt, right?
00:29:03.380 So, some people do go.
00:29:06.500 But what I'm saying is there's this subversive element where I've noticed channels on YouTube
00:29:10.860 where they used to be about fitness and health, but now all they talk about is why Israel is
00:29:17.460 bad because they're making money doing it. 0.99
00:29:20.160 They said, I was getting 10,000 views on my sandwich videos, but I get 50,000 if I talk
00:29:24.720 about Israel.
00:29:25.260 And it's simple enough for any country to go onto Google and just say, I want to give
00:29:31.460 them money for these specific videos.
00:29:34.480 And that you're basically...
00:29:35.880 And these people don't realize what's happening, but that's a really easy way to run these influence
00:29:40.440 operations.
00:29:41.680 Well, another way for them to run these influence operations, too, is to subscribe to people
00:29:47.060 on X.
00:29:47.640 And look, I think that Elon Musk and X should take into account the fact that there's a lot
00:29:54.860 of people, and they did address this.
00:29:56.820 They had a lot of botting activity out of India, right, where people were trying to game
00:30:01.300 the system on monetization and they were creating all these reply bots so that they could make
00:30:06.540 money off of the X revenue system.
00:30:09.060 But there's also a lot of actual terrorist activity where you have jihadists that are subscribing
00:30:14.540 to accounts, people like Jackson Hinkle, for example, who went from having a couple hundred
00:30:19.460 thousand followers to having over 3 million followers online.
00:30:23.220 And most of his comments are from Iranians, supporters of the Houthis, supporters of Hezbollah,
00:30:28.120 supporters of Hamas.
00:30:29.340 He's literally living in Moscow, Russia, where he is lobbying, I'm told, for Russia as a United
00:30:37.340 States citizens, speaking at Houthi rally, speaking at Nasrallah's funeral, openly tweeting
00:30:44.380 his support of Xi Jinping, tweeting his support of Nicolas Maduro.
00:30:48.760 Stuff like that is happening, too, where a lot of people are able to funnel money through
00:30:53.880 subscriptions, whether it's, you know, on X or whether it's any other subscription-based
00:30:58.480 platform, because that's another way to evade Farah.
00:31:02.060 What's to say, right?
00:31:02.920 There's just some random account that wants to subscribe to you.
00:31:05.320 Well, what's stopping them from subscribing?
00:31:06.900 What's stopping them from subscribing to you for seven a month or however much your monthly
00:31:12.260 amount is?
00:31:12.880 You can set it to whatever you want to be.
00:31:14.600 Mine is set at $7 a month.
00:31:16.140 But if I wanted to, I could set it for $100 a month or $1,000 a month, right?
00:31:21.120 What about some of these people that have over 1,000 subscribers and they're setting theirs
00:31:25.900 at, you know, $100 a month?
00:31:27.520 That money all adds up over time.
00:31:29.120 And if you have multiple accounts and you're trying to evade the terms of service, that's another
00:31:33.860 way that people are getting funded by foreign money and evading Farah.
00:31:37.620 And so just because it's not listed in Farah or just because a lobbying firm is listed as
00:31:43.680 the main receiver of the funds doesn't mean that that lobbying firm or it doesn't mean
00:31:51.780 that a third-party entity that doesn't have to abide by Farah.
00:31:54.820 The person that has to abide by Farah is the person that is receiving the money directly
00:31:59.560 from the foreign source, they could take that money and put it into an LLC and transfer
00:32:03.960 it to 50 different influencers or one influencer.
00:32:06.700 And that's what people need to understand.
00:32:08.640 I think you bring up a really great point about just foreign influence in general on any of
00:32:12.440 these issues.
00:32:13.280 And so when people bring up the issue of what's going on with Israel-Iran, I think this is 0.94
00:32:18.220 just another example.
00:32:19.300 But we are out of time.
00:32:20.920 Where can people find you if they want to watch more?
00:32:22.680 So people can follow me on X at Laura Loomer and on X at Loomer Unleashed.
00:32:27.960 And then every Tuesday and Thursday, I have a show on Rumble called Loomer Unleashed, rumble.com
00:32:33.120 slash Laura Loomer.
00:32:34.400 You can subscribe to my channel.
00:32:36.500 I'll be going live tonight and discussing this extensively as well.
00:32:39.500 And if you're interested in seeing how President Trump has been consistent on the issue of Iran,
00:32:44.860 we're going to be going through about 100 examples on my show tonight.
00:32:47.780 And we're going to be showing all the receipts in case you find yourself to be a victim of
00:32:51.980 some of this foreign influence propaganda.
00:32:53.840 So I encourage you all to tune in tonight, 9 p.m.
00:32:56.600 Eastern, rumble.com slash Laura Loomer.
00:32:58.780 Thanks for having me on.
00:32:59.960 Thanks for joining me.
00:33:00.860 We'll see you next time.
00:33:01.600 Thank you.
00:33:02.060 Take care.
00:33:04.240 Let's see.
00:33:05.420 Wrong one.
00:33:06.100 There we go.
00:33:07.080 That was Laura Loomer.
00:33:09.220 And, you know, it's interesting.
00:33:11.380 She's obviously pro-Trump more than anything else.
00:33:14.700 She, you know, I looked into the Tucker Carlson thing, and it does not look, and I brought
00:33:21.780 this up several times, that he got paid by this.
00:33:25.880 It is interesting, however, if he is coordinating directly with a lobbying firm, registered under
00:33:30.560 FARA, that is intended, like, I don't know.
00:33:34.080 I don't know.
00:33:35.180 It makes me question.
00:33:37.780 There are a lot of people that seemingly have recently adopted a, I don't know the
00:33:44.260 right way to put it, strong anti-Israel stance in a short amount of time.
00:33:49.240 Far be it from me to tell you about people's intent or what they know and what they don't
00:33:53.340 know.
00:33:54.180 It could just be the people learned things, and they said, you know what, I've changed
00:33:57.840 my opinion on this, and I can respect that.
00:33:59.900 I think, in general, the idea of influence operations is broad, and it's more than just
00:34:04.800 this one issue, but we are out of time, and there's a frog.
00:34:08.160 There's a frog right over there.
00:34:09.560 It's climbing on the walls.
00:34:11.100 I don't know how it got in this building.
00:34:12.920 I have questions.
00:34:14.360 We're going to get this party moving along with, I believe, we've got Russell Brand coming
00:34:20.020 up right now, so we will send that raid over to Russell.
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