MAGA CIVIL WAR, Loomer Calls Out Trump TRAITORS ft. Laura Loomer
Summary
Laura Loomer joins me on the show to talk about whether or not she thinks President Trump should go to war with Iran, and why she thinks he should not. She also talks about how she thinks Tucker Carlson got paid by Qatar for an interview with their premier.
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Loomer threatens to snitch on conservatives criticizing Trump in raging MAGA civil war.
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The MAGA conspiracy theorist declared herself the president's loyalty enforcer.
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She has done some of the, I mean, massive breaking stories in the Trump administration.
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Working like she's even uncovered people who have been leaking.
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You know, we've had conversations here at Timcast quite a bit where we're actually like,
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she's got access and she's breaking big stories.
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So I'm curious, her position on Trump, Israel, Iran, the war,
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as well as she recently put out a statement about Tucker Carlson and Qatar.
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Now, she says Tucker received money from Qatar for an interview with their premier.
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It looks like a firm received the money to try and set the interview up.
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And I'm really interested in hearing your insights on, as a staunch Trump supporter,
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what is the current position for whether Trump wants to go to war or not?
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My earpiece was malfunctioning there for a second.
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There's a story in the Daily Beast saying that you're threatening to snitch on conservatives in this MAGA civil war over support for Trump.
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And I got a bug flying around in what's going on with Israel and Iran.
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I guess the first thing I want to ask you is, you know, as probably Trump's biggest supporter,
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what is your view on the Israel-Iran conflict as to whether or not we should or should not be involved militaristically?
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Well, I've never advocated for troops on the ground in Iran.
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But what's really concerning to me, Tim, and what is confusing and perplexing and is that the focus of this whole debate that's erupted online
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is people's sudden displeasure with President Trump over a policy that has defined President Trump and his campaign
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since the inception of his campaign 10 years ago exactly to the date two days ago or three days ago.
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And so this isn't something that has caught people by surprise.
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President Trump has always stated since before even announcing his run for president in June of 2015
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that he was against Iran ever having access to a nuclear weapon.
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He has always been critical of the Iranian nuclear deal, JCPOA, under the Obama administration.
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And in fact, this is what really created the major conflict and the rift between Barack Hussein Obama
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and Donald Trump that led to Barack Hussein Obama mocking Donald Trump at the White House Correspondence Center,
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his constant attacks over Obama's handling of Iran that led to Donald Trump then deciding he was going to prove Obama wrong
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when he mocked him and his possible plans to run for president.
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So the problem here is this is what happens when you have coalition building.
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And this is why it doesn't ever work. During the campaign, everybody was so gung ho about, you know,
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inviting people like Tulsi Gabbard and RFK into the party.
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And they said it was going to be great and that we needed to expand the tent.
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But the reality is, Tim, when you expand the tent, you have unrealistic expectations
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and you cater to people that have never really ideologically been aligned with the MAGA movement.
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And then those people come in and they try to hijack the MAGA movement for what they want it to be,
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as opposed to supporting the man and the vision that is MAGA and America First.
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And so we're witnessing a hostile takeover of the Trump administration, in my opinion,
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by individuals in the Democrat Party who are now trying to LARP as MAGA, right?
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A lot of these people that are some of the biggest critics online, they came out of nowhere during the last campaign season.
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They have very astroturf social media followings.
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Some of these people may or may not be being paid by foreign governments like Qatar, like Iran.
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We have seen that there are lobbyists that are now being paid, right?
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One of these lobbyists is a group called Luminate Advisors that is being paid to orchestrate
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interviews with the prime minister of Qatar and people like Tucker Carlson.
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So there's a lot of actual propaganda on behalf of Islamic regimes out there
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that is intended to undermine President Trump and his foreign policy.
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And I think it's important that we be honest about who's been here since the beginning,
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what President Trump's message has been since the beginning,
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and who's financing this opposition to Donald Trump.
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Someone mentioned this clip where Trump said back in the 80s,
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like one of his first political statements was Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.
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And there's like this compilation video someone made.
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It's 16 minutes of Trump saying Iran will never get a nuclear weapon.
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And I wonder if there's a distinction, though, between people who are concerned about
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And then a difference between obstructing what Trump is trying to do.
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He's kind of been the biggest voice in opposition to getting involved in this conflict.
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But I haven't seen everything he said in the matter other than he said Trump was complicit
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in this war, which is it's kind of a bold thing to accuse Trump of doing when Trump was
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And even Tucker said that the Trump is actually this is really fascinating.
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Tucker said in his interview, I believe, with Ted Cruz and he had another statement.
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I can't remember what it was with that the Trump administration was negotiating in good
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faith with Iran and that the Trump administration has not was not working on these strikes.
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But then he also tweeted that Trump was complicit in the war.
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Well, I think that everything about Tucker Carlson is completely fake.
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This is a guy who has been able to capitalize off of raw meat, right, raw red meat talking
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This is a guy who has been able to LARP as a Trump supporter and LARP as a mouthpiece for
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the so-called America First movement while he's been entirely against President Trump from
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And it's important for people to hold these mouthpieces accountable for their actual statements.
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For example, in the aftermath of the stolen election in 2020, what did Tucker Carlson do,
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He was texting with his producer, Alex Pfeiffer, who is now working inside the Trump administration,
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ironically, talking about how Donald Trump supporters are a bunch of cousin fuckers and
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And it's one of the things that I actually admire about your show, Tim, is that you you
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do live fact checking and you pull it up on your screen and you let people see it in real
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And so it's important for people to see that Tucker Carlson stated in his text messages
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to his own producer that he profusely hated Donald Trump.
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And it wasn't until he was actually fired by Fox News that he was like, holy shit, Donald
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Trump could kill my career with a single truth social post.
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And he decided to come groveling back and say that he's always been in support of President
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But that's that's a really stark contrast from then your text messages calling his supporters
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a bunch of cousin fuckers and terrorists and saying that Donald Trump should be held
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accountable for January 6th and saying that you hate Donald Trump.
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And so there's a lot of a lot of this this sense of urgency, right, with with the with the
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Mosquito shook off the plate tectonic breakup of Pangea, the asteroid that eliminated the
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But Lisa shopped on Amazon and bought a can of repellent, a cute long sleeve shirt and a
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Save the everyday with deals from Amazon, Tim, where a lot of people are finding that they're
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not really welcome in mainstream media anymore.
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People are monetizing a lot more in independent media.
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And if you feel that the MAGA base is going to turn on you or you feel that Donald Trump
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could torpedo your entire career with a single post, you know, what's going to stop you from
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shape shifting or pretending to be someone that you're not in order to maintain your audience
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And that's what Tucker Carlson is doing, in my opinion.
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And there's many clips that you can show from Tucker Carlson years ago.
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There was a there was an article written in The Atlantic.
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Not that The Atlantic is a trustworthy source, but they're quoting Tucker's own words in which
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he said, I believe that Iran needs to be annihilated.
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I believe that we need to, you know, overthrow these mullahs.
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I believe that the Ayatollah needs to be taken out.
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There was a 16 minute long compilation that was being shared on on on X yesterday of all the
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times that Tucker Carlson has talked about how Iran is a threat to Western civilization.
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The Iranian people should implement their own regime change and overthrow the Ayatollahs.
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So why is Tucker Carlson all of a sudden changing his views on this?
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Why did they cheer when Donald Trump had airstrikes conducted on Qasem Soleimani, an Iranian terrorist?
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Why did people in MAGA cheer when Donald Trump did airstrikes on al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS?
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How is that any different than Donald Trump talking about, you know, premeditated or preemptive
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airstrikes on Iran's nuclear facilities or potentially bunker busting the Ayatollah himself?
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It seems like there's been a shift over the past several years among many prominent personalities
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who are saying that they were conservative or Trump supporting.
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There's a bit of a distinction, I suppose, but I largely agree with you.
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I thought they're trying to say that an airstrike is a full-blown declaration of war.
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So are they saying that we reignited war in Iraq?
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Are they saying that we reignited war in Syria?
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They say that Donald Trump is the president of no new wars.
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So how can you say that Donald Trump is the president of no new wars, which I agree with,
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and say that the airstrikes on Qasem Soleimani and the airstrikes conducted on al-Baghdadi
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and ISIS leaders wasn't a new war in the Middle East?
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But then you're trying to say the airstrikes on—and look, the United States hasn't even
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The United States hasn't even conducted airstrikes.
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Some people, like Dave Smith, went as far—and he's buddies with Tucker Carlson.
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Dave Smith went as far as calling for Donald Trump to be impeached.
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Donald Trump hasn't gotten involved in the conflict in Iran.
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He has always been consistent in saying that we need to make sure that Iran does not have
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He has instructed Tom Homan and Kirstie Noem over at DHS to secure our borders and to work
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with Kash Patel, our new FBI director, and to work with Dan Bongino to identify or try to
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locate some of these 2 million gotaways that came in under Biden's administration, open
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Many of those 2 million individuals are Iranian proxies.
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They are Iranian proxies in Hamas and Hezbollah who want to hide in the shadows.
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They deliberately took steps to not be detected so that they could get into our country and
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create their own sleeper cells, probably for the sake of being activated by the Ayatollahs,
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by the Iranian regime, and attacking the United States in another 9-11 style attack.
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I just had Tom Homan on my show last week, and he said it's his belief that majority of
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And it's his greatest fear that keeps him awake at night is the fact that we have Hamas and
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Hezbollah terror cells in all 50 states in our country who are plotting who could be activated
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I think a really great point you made, something I noticed, Trump hasn't even done anything
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We've seen some refueling tankers be repositioned across Europe.
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Trump is making all these moves, but he's not done anything.
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But I'm seeing all these attacks like, Dave Smith calling for the impeachment of Trump.
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Or Tucker saying that Trump's complicit in this war.
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And I'm like, guys, I got liberals tweeting at me saying, did you vote for this, Tim?
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Isn't it kind of ironic how—and I'm America first.
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I'm pro-Israel, but I'm not asking for us to get involved in this conflict between Israel
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This notion that you cannot support Israel, or you have to be completely anti-Israel, or
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foaming at the mouth over Jewish conspiracies, that's what you called it, Israel derangement
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There is serious Israel derangement syndrome that has taken over many mainstream elements
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I'm not saying that you're an anti-Semite if you are critical of Israel.
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You are not an anti-Semite if you are critical of AIPAC.
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And I am a pro-Israel Jewish Republican woman, right?
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So I don't understand why they campaigned against me, but they did.
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So you can be against the ADL and not be an anti-Semite.
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But when you start cheering for Iran to nuke Israel, when you start cheering for Iran to
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win this conflict simply because you have an irrational hatred for Israel, that's where
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we start crossing over into the line of blatant Jew hatred.
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I'm not I'm not saying everyone who's a critic of Israel is a Jew hater, but a lot of the
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people who have large followings online want an excuse to blame Israel for everything.
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And they're trying to say that our country is going to be destroyed and Donald Trump's
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presidency is going to be destroyed because of Israel.
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Well, if we're America first, why are you trying to control the actions of Israel?
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If you're truly America first, shouldn't you be OK with Israel finishing the job in Gaza?
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Shouldn't you be OK with Israel striking Iran and perhaps assassinating the the supreme
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Isn't that America first policy to let other countries handle their own political and global
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It seems like these people really aren't America first because if they were America first,
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they wouldn't be trying to dictate what Israel does.
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What does that have to do with the United States of America?
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I call them Israel first rather derisively because it seems like they're more concerned
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about the foreign policy pertaining to Israel than America's own borders or the terror cells
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So people come to me and with all due respect to these people, you know, whatever, whatever
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You're allowed, like you said, criticize Israel all day, whatever.
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My issue was they would criticize Israel when we're talking about Ukraine or we're talking
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And I said, if you care more about Israel's policies instead of our southern border and
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what Trump is doing and what the Democrats want to do, I think you firstly care about
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That being said, I do want to bring up something.
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But your tweets insinuate Tucker was paid himself $200,000.
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It appears from the far of forms that Luminate was paid $200,000, not Tucker.
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I don't know if you had a clarification on that or what you would.
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Look, I think that everybody in conservative media, yourself included, knows how this process
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And I think that we all are aware of the fact that there are lobbyists and there are influencer
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companies and there are lobbyists who serve as intermediaries between pundits, between
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politicians and social media influencers for the sake of either transferring funds or initiating
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interviews that are supposed to look kosher but are really, at the end of the day, not
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And so regardless, Tucker Carlson, whether you want to say that the money went to Tucker
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or not, right, we haven't seen any of their bank statements.
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Why don't they show us who paid for Tucker Carlson's hotel rooms and his travel for him
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And if you look at the contract that I uncovered from Luminate, which is available in FARA,
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you can clearly see that per their contract, it says that the consultants needs to be present
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So the Luminate representative was clearly present for all of the interviews.
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They list their point of contact as Tucker Carlson himself.
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They don't list Neil Patel of Tucker Carlson Network.
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They don't list any of Tucker Carlson's staff or his producers or some media affairs person.
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They actually list Tucker Carlson himself as the point of contact between the lobbyist and
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the prime minister of Qatar, Al-Thani, who wanted this interview for the sake of placing
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Qatari propaganda on Tucker Carlson's show as it related to discussing war with Iran and
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how Qatar is not involved or they're trying to stop the war, when we know that's a lie.
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We already know that Qatar is one of the biggest sponsors of Islamic terrorism in the world.
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This is why I was so outspoken when President Trump went to Qatar.
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And some people were like, oh, why are you so outspoken about this?
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Because we need to be honest about what these countries are doing.
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They shouldn't just be allowed to wine and dine everybody and, you know, show up with Rolexes
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and show up with planes and, you know, write checks and sponsor galas and throw their Arab
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And then everybody turn a blind eye to the fact that they are literally housing the leaders
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of Hamas in Doha, where they let them live in luxurious penthouses and they let them go
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They're literally hiding out in Qatar to protect these people from being killed by Mossad or
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That's why they allow them to have a safe haven in Qatar.
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There's a reason why Donald Trump killed Qasem Soleimani.
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And Qatar finances those same Iranian proxies and Hamas and Hezbollah, and they are involved
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in the same terrorist activities that the Iranian regime is involved in, in not just
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attacking Israel, but also attacking Western civilization and killing Americans.
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They're also the largest funders of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim Brotherhood, which should
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In fact, the Muslim Brotherhood is designated as a terrorist organization in places like Saudi
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Now, don't you think that we should be taking the advice, heeding the advice of these Muslims
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who President Trump is meeting with if they tell us that somebody is a terrorist?
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That is why the Saudis cut off relations with Qatar for such a long time, because they are
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And they are funding the Muslim Brotherhood, which is designated as a terrorist organization
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Well, I want to ask you, though, all of these personalities that seem to have shifted in
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the past couple of years towards an Israel-critical view, it seemed, there seems to be some kind
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of, I don't want you to call it like a movement, but many personalities have adopted this strong
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You mentioned that there's this Luminate, they're making points of contact with Tucker, they're
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connecting these interests, they're making these things happen.
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Do you think there's a concerted effort from foreign influences to get conservatives to
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We already know that China gets a lot of their oil from Iran.
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Xi Jinping just said that he's going to be sending military equipment to Iran.
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He's already expressed that he's very anti-Israel.
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You want to take a guess as to who the two largest donors of foreign money to American universities
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and institutions over the last four years in our country have been?
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So between 2021 and 2024, China and Qatar, okay?
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And there's some other countries, but the bulk of these funds have come from China and Qatar.
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$29 billion in foreign money has made its way into American institutions and mostly American
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Most of that money coming from Qatar and China.
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And so why do we see all of these pro-Palestinian?
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They have found that some of these students, and I've covered some of these protests on campuses
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I was physically assaulted on the streets of New York City when I was reporting on the
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Columbia protests by a woman who was wearing a Hamas bandana while carrying a Hezbollah
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She tried to poke my eyeball out with a Hezbollah flag.
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And so the reality is, is that a lot of the destabilization in our country and a lot of
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the anti-Trump movement, it doesn't matter if the Qataris say, oh, you know, President
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Trump, thank you so much for being the first president to ever come to Qatar.
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Let's roll out the camels and the horses and throw this whole big spectacle together for
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And, oh, we're going to push you up in the St. Regis.
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It doesn't matter what they say and what they do.
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Because what people need to understand is that in Islam, there's this concept of permissible
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There's this concept of taqiyah in which Muslims are permitted to lie to non-Muslims for the sake
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of advancing the goals and the causes of Islam.
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And we know that Qatar is funding the Muslim Brotherhood.
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They're funding all of the jihadist organizations here in America that are assaulting Jewish students
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And if the Christians and the Christian nationalists and the Catholics think that this is like a case
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of the crocodile is going to eat me last, you are sorely mistaken.
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What starts with the Jews doesn't end with the Jews.
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And people need to stop framing this issue of Islamic subversion and Islamic infiltration of our country
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We know that the Iranians and the Chinese are working together to undermine the Trump administration.
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This is a concerted effort to topple Western civilization.
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So you can post your little edgy tweets about how, oh, it's Hasbara, right?
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But at the end of the day, you're going to find yourself getting on your knees.
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And some Muslim is going to have a gun to your head and they're going to say convert or die.
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And you're just going to have to look back and admit that you, I'm not saying you,
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but the people that are engaged in this propaganda and these foreign influence campaigns
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played a role in the end of Western civilization, played a role in their own demise.
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Do you think that these personalities are getting paid directly by Qatar or lobbying groups?
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I think that they're using lobbyist groups and cutouts.
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I mean, look, you know, there's a lot of ways to funnel money to somebody, OK, to have it
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You could have intermediaries who themselves are paid by foreign governments, and then
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they themselves can pay people through shell companies.
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And I'm not anti-crypto, but we do know that that a lot of these Islamic regimes are using
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crypto to funnel money to social media influencers.
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There's all types of countries that are involved.
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And I know you found yourself at the center of, you know, stories attacking you, accusing
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And so, you know, right, you and I'm not attacking you.
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I'm just saying, you know, right from the attacks that you yourself were subjected to
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that there are foreign influence campaigns that either are paying certain people or they're
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trying to target certain conservatives to either get them to be mouthpieces.
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Under the guise of news, under the guise of podcasting, under the guise of communication,
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One of the tricks they use on YouTube when you run ads, I've been talking to people for
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You can choose to run ads on a targeted channel.
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So you can go to Google Ads and you can say, I want to put $10,000 in ad spend on this
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And what that means is you're outbidding all the other advertisers to appear on that channel.
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You're effectively giving that money to that channel's operator.
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So when we talk about foreign influence operations, they usually have these circuitous stories.
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The one involving me, for instance, I would never personally accept money.
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And I wouldn't go anywhere near money that was intended to impugn my honor or manipulate
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That being said, what these countries can do and lobbying groups can do is they can find
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someone, let's say, what interests me about this is the sudden change over the past few
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What happens is, I've been talking about this for a while.
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There are some creators who I will just not name, I don't want to start drama, I want to
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But then they end up making one video about Israel-Palestine because it's prominent in
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The next thing you know, they make another video about it.
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A month later, the only thing they're doing is talking about Israel and they're usually
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Or they go on a nice little trip and they go to Dubai or they go to Qatar and they're
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But what I'm saying is there's this subversive element where I've noticed channels on YouTube
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where they used to be about fitness and health, but now all they talk about is why Israel is
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They said, I was getting 10,000 views on my sandwich videos, but I get 50,000 if I talk
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And it's simple enough for any country to go onto Google and just say, I want to give
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And these people don't realize what's happening, but that's a really easy way to run these influence
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Well, another way for them to run these influence operations, too, is to subscribe to people
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And look, I think that Elon Musk and X should take into account the fact that there's a lot
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They had a lot of botting activity out of India, right, where people were trying to game
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the system on monetization and they were creating all these reply bots so that they could make
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But there's also a lot of actual terrorist activity where you have jihadists that are subscribing
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to accounts, people like Jackson Hinkle, for example, who went from having a couple hundred
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thousand followers to having over 3 million followers online.
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And most of his comments are from Iranians, supporters of the Houthis, supporters of Hezbollah,
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He's literally living in Moscow, Russia, where he is lobbying, I'm told, for Russia as a United
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States citizens, speaking at Houthi rally, speaking at Nasrallah's funeral, openly tweeting
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his support of Xi Jinping, tweeting his support of Nicolas Maduro.
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Stuff like that is happening, too, where a lot of people are able to funnel money through
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subscriptions, whether it's, you know, on X or whether it's any other subscription-based
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platform, because that's another way to evade Farah.
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There's just some random account that wants to subscribe to you.
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What's stopping them from subscribing to you for seven a month or however much your monthly
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But if I wanted to, I could set it for $100 a month or $1,000 a month, right?
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What about some of these people that have over 1,000 subscribers and they're setting theirs
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And if you have multiple accounts and you're trying to evade the terms of service, that's another
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way that people are getting funded by foreign money and evading Farah.
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And so just because it's not listed in Farah or just because a lobbying firm is listed as
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the main receiver of the funds doesn't mean that that lobbying firm or it doesn't mean
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that a third-party entity that doesn't have to abide by Farah.
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The person that has to abide by Farah is the person that is receiving the money directly
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from the foreign source, they could take that money and put it into an LLC and transfer
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it to 50 different influencers or one influencer.
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I think you bring up a really great point about just foreign influence in general on any of
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And so when people bring up the issue of what's going on with Israel-Iran, I think this is
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Where can people find you if they want to watch more?
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So people can follow me on X at Laura Loomer and on X at Loomer Unleashed.
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And then every Tuesday and Thursday, I have a show on Rumble called Loomer Unleashed, rumble.com
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I'll be going live tonight and discussing this extensively as well.
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And if you're interested in seeing how President Trump has been consistent on the issue of Iran,
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we're going to be going through about 100 examples on my show tonight.
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And we're going to be showing all the receipts in case you find yourself to be a victim of
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So I encourage you all to tune in tonight, 9 p.m.
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She's obviously pro-Trump more than anything else.
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She, you know, I looked into the Tucker Carlson thing, and it does not look, and I brought
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this up several times, that he got paid by this.
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It is interesting, however, if he is coordinating directly with a lobbying firm, registered under
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There are a lot of people that seemingly have recently adopted a, I don't know the
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right way to put it, strong anti-Israel stance in a short amount of time.
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Far be it from me to tell you about people's intent or what they know and what they don't
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It could just be the people learned things, and they said, you know what, I've changed
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I think, in general, the idea of influence operations is broad, and it's more than just
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this one issue, but we are out of time, and there's a frog.
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We're going to get this party moving along with, I believe, we've got Russell Brand coming
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up right now, so we will send that raid over to Russell.
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It's going to be epic, and we'll see you all then.